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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2023, 09:59:53 PM
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Ok, this isn’t me trying to justify what happened today. Clearly it’s more than this topic. We got a lot wrong from manager to players. But I do think our players, who are clearly a very close bunch have been impacted by the loss of Buendia and then even more so in the game to Mings. A massive figure at the club. At the start of the game it was such a nice gesture to see them unify behind Emi. But to have two potentially season ending injuries before the end of game 1 has to be crushing for everyone at the club. And what worse place to have that psychological vulnerability exposed than at Newcastle.
Again, this isn’t trying to make an excuse for the result. More that under Emery who always talks of mental strength and togetherness, we looked empty and devoid of both. Even the manager at the end looked more broken than we have seen him. We will bounce back. We are too good not to. But the last 72 hours or so have been really tough.
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Not hugely related to this point, but I remember reading that Peter Schmeichel had counselling after the David Busst incident.
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I get where you're coming from, but they're highly paid professionals and unfortunately physical injuries are an occupational hazard in contact sport. We seem to get more than our fair share of really bad injuries, but they have to put it to one side and get on with it.
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Not hugely related to this point, but I remember reading that Peter Schmeichel had counselling after the David Busst incident.
A bit different that though, seeing somebody's snapped bone poking out of their shin.
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Not hugely related to this point, but I remember reading that Peter Schmeichel had counselling after the David Busst incident.
A bit different that though, seeing somebody's snapped bone poking out of their shin.
And so much blood on the pitch, they had to get someone on with a mop.
My Dad was mates with Busst's dad back in the day, he had an awful time post injury.
I saw a photo of his leg 5 or 6 years ago and it is still an absolute fucking casserole of misshaped bone and muscle.
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I get where you're coming from, but they're highly paid professionals and unfortunately physical injuries are an occupational hazard in contact sport. We seem to get more than our fair share of really bad injuries, but they have to put it to one side and get on with it.
and they are also human 🙄
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I get where you're coming from, but they're highly paid professionals and unfortunately physical injuries are an occupational hazard in contact sport. We seem to get more than our fair share of really bad injuries, but they have to put it to one side and get on with it.
In the grand scheme of things yes. But this is two massive ones in 72 hours and a one that would have impacted them in the middle of a game in an incredibly demanding environment. Highly paid doesn’t stop them being human. The athlete part will resolve itself as they work at things this week. But even for the most hardened athlete in a contact sport this was tough. It’s tough for us as fans.
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I get where you're coming from, but they're highly paid professionals and unfortunately physical injuries are an occupational hazard in contact sport. We seem to get more than our fair share of really bad injuries, but they have to put it to one side and get on with it.
and they are also human 🙄
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I get where you're coming from, but they're highly paid professionals and unfortunately physical injuries are an occupational hazard in contact sport. We seem to get more than our fair share of really bad injuries, but they have to put it to one side and get on with it.
and they are also human 🙄
It was a bad injury, yes, because he was stretchered off, but it was hardly out of the ordinary.
FWIW i agree, it totally rattled us, and exposed Konsa to a certain degree. It wasn't a particularly shocking injury though. Not an Eduardo, for example.
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And obviously nobody knows the real extent of the injury during the game.
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I get where you're coming from, but they're highly paid professionals and unfortunately physical injuries are an occupational hazard in contact sport. We seem to get more than our fair share of really bad injuries, but they have to put it to one side and get on with it.
and they are also human 🙄
Exactly. I'd imagine it was a tough 2 days since Buendia's injury and they did pull together initially but to have it happen again to another team mate so soon after isn't really something you can prepare for. It's by no means an excuse for today, but there were a lot of elements that contributed to the mess today and hopefully they'll get it together during the week and we'll kick on from here.
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TV you are having a 'mare with thread titles today.
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TV you are having a 'mare with thread titles today.
Fuck. I’m rattled BE. All over the gaff
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TV you are having a 'mare with thread titles today.
Fuck. I’m rattled BE. All over the gaff
Tomorrow is another day. FTF!
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I seem to remember the players being badly affected when Gary Charles got badly injured at the end of 95/96.
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I think the timing of both injuries was the main cause of yesterday's performance. Buendia had his at or near the last training session when most of the prep was done. To then lose Mings 25 mins into the first game meant that any structured plan went out the window. Psychology the players were probably in a state of disbelief.
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Emery's job is to address that on the fly and reorganise the team. But he looked in a state of disbelief too.
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Injuries are an occupational hazard for all sports people so in general I think they deal with them as a routine matter. Obviously at the more extreme end they can be disturbing for teammates but I don’t think Tyrone’s quite falls into that category.
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Wierdly such event are also a huge opportunity. A chance for other players to become the loudest voice in the dressing room and take responsibility. Also a chance to build togetherness from a shared set-back.
Clearly no one would wish this to happen but I’d hope emery will see it as an opportunity, not just a problem.
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Wierdly such event are also a huge opportunity. A chance for other players to become the loudest voice in the dressing room and take responsibility. Also a chance to build togetherness from a shared set-back.
Clearly no one would wish this to happen but I’d hope emery will see it as an opportunity, not just a problem.
That's a very positive and refreshing way of looking at it.
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As well as seemingly being blighted with really serious injuries, it’s always really important players who get them, or so it seems.
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It must be traumatising to see a leader go off in the manner Mings did. And then, he leaves a hole that's nearly impossible to fill during the game and going forwards.
I'm glad we have an iconic and respected manager because I'd like to think his respect and understanding will help the players refocus. We have seen how meticulous Emery seems to be, so maybe there are backup plans to these types of scenarios.
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And obviously nobody knows the real extent of the injury during the game.
I would say those players know Tyrone incredibly well, and have seen him shake off numerous bangs and bad tackles, so to see him writhing around like he was would have told them all they needed to know about the severity of the injury.
These things undoubtedly have an impact on player performance. Not enough to excuse a 5-1 defeat, obviously, but once he went off in the manner he did, it was no surprise me to me that we looked a bit 'off it' for large chunks of the game.
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Not hugely related to this point, but I remember reading that Peter Schmeichel had counselling after the David Busst incident.
A bit different that though, seeing somebody's snapped bone poking out of their shin.
And so much blood on the pitch, they had to get someone on with a mop.
My Dad was mates with Busst's dad back in the day, he had an awful time post injury.
I saw a photo of his leg 5 or 6 years ago and it is still an absolute fucking casserole of misshaped bone and muscle.
Used to have a kick around with Dave and his brother, when his Dad played for Highgate united.
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If selected on Sunday i wonder how Diego Carlos will get his head around first home game of the season at home to Everton............considering what happened last year almost to the day?