Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: olaftab on August 05, 2023, 06:08:35 PM
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This week is the first big rollout out of new FIFA directive to crackdown on wasted time. Last night's match between Sheff Wed and Southampton had 6 mins added at clock HT and 9 at clock full time. Most of the EFL matches finished at around 5 today. I don't like near double digit added time being played when the clock is at "full time". It's misleading and impacts negatively on the game both for players and spectators. Watching the clock to the end is part of the excitement of the game and that will be denied to us when you know that regularly anything from 10 to 15 mins is still to come when clock shows 90. FIFA obviously think it will eliminate time wasting. I think they are wrong as it will results in spoilt second haves in most games. I would prefer STOP THE CLOCK method as used in Rugby and finish the game at 90 dead.
What's forum's view?
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Neither. Hate it. Getting a full 90 minutes of value for my money has never once entered my head. I was perfectly happy with a referee looking at his watch, add a bit on if the trainer had been on with the magic sponge, then blow up so's we can all fuck off home.
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Stop the clock for me. I agree that the psychology of being at 90 minutes but still having approx a fifth to a quarter of the half to play is not good for players or spectators. Or at the very least we should be able to see what time is on the ref's watch.
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From occasionally going down the egg-chasing league I find the clock stopping to have the advantage of being clear and definitive. Nobody wants 12 minutes added at the football and it's usually "where the fuck did they get that from?" when they find five or six.
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Stop the clock for me, too.
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Solving a problem that doesn't exist.
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The trouble with stopping the clock is that it's the thin end of a wedge, beyond which lurks time-outs, drinks breaks, quarters instead of halves and other lucrative-for-TV 'opportunities'.
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Stop the clock would be the end of the game as we know it. It would turn into an NFL-type experience, with constant stoppages for ad breaks and input from inane pundits in the studio.
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I would have a stop the clock but the current reality is added time
This means likes of Emi Martinez must not waste his time otherwise its extra time levels of added time.
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Stop the clock would be the end of the game as we know it. It would turn into an NFL-type experience, with constant stoppages for ad breaks and input from inane pundits in the studio.
Yeah, I prefer added time at the end.
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Stop the clock would be the end of the game as we know it. It would turn into an NFL-type experience, with constant stoppages for ad breaks and input from inane pundits in the studio.
I don't see why the length of the stops would be any different to how they are now so I don't see this being an issue. If they wanted they could have cut away to the studio when a player is injured under the current set up but they don't, that length of time won't change just because it is recorded.
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It makes laugh how the whole time wasting thing is the fault of players.
In reality, most time wasting nowadays is caused by showboating referees, holding up or slowing play so that can get their ‘look at me, I’m so important’ moments.
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Stop the clock would be the end of the game as we know it. It would turn into an NFL-type experience, with constant stoppages for ad breaks and input from inane pundits in the studio.
I don't see why the length of the stops would be any different to how they are now so I don't see this being an issue. If they wanted they could have cut away to the studio when a player is injured under the current set up but they don't, that length of time won't change just because it is recorded.
They might not be any different straight away, but come back to me 5 years down the line.
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Stop the Clock (on condition it is in full view of the whole crowd).
More transparent.
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I'm stop the clock.
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Just like after the World Cup, playing full added time will be forgotten about after a couple of weeks
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Stop the clock is more transparent, as long as everyone can see when the clock's running and when it isn't.
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Stop the clock.
Adding on at the end is too open to giving Man U or Liverpool 3 mins at the end if they are 1-0 up, but 15 mins if they are 0-1 down...
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Stop the clock but with an independent timekeeper.
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Just like after the World Cup, playing full added time will be forgotten about after a couple of weeks
Most likely, and preferable to "Our 85th minute Emi Martinez time wasting intermission is brought to you by Budweiser. Budweiser....the King of Beers."
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Solving a problem that doesn't exist.
The gap between actual playing time in some games can apparently from 48 to 58 mins approx, which really shouldn't be the case.
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Out of the 2 stop the clock is better. I prefer it as it is though, it's the done thing to bitch about how much/little time they've added.
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If we had to to make a choice then I would prefer stopping the clock, so long that it is transparent for all to see.
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I prefer stopping the clock to adding ridiculous amounts of injury time but it's a problem that I don't think is urgent to solve in the majority of games.
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With stop the clock the official clock would have to be visible to all in the ground with obvious exemptions for Manure, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City and presumably now Newcastle.
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It would just give something else for players and managers to try to manipulate, and everyone to gripe over. Just play to the whistle.
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Stop all the clocks give the dog a juicy bone……WH Auden rules 😂
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Stop the Clock(s). Brilliant poem....
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Good idea is for the managers to tell their players stop cheating
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What about the time-wasting that will invariably happen in the large amount of stoppage time already granted - will that be added on too ?
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Stop the clock for me
In the past a couple of extra mins was Ok, then came Fergie time. Now it is crazy. No idea how yesterday was calculated.
Rugby works well, the hooter goes and the next beak in play is game over.
if players waste time, penalise them, Yellow card will stop it.
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What about the time-wasting that will invariably happen in the large amount of stoppage time already granted - will that be added on too ?
Yep, apparently games where 13 minutes were added pretty much ended straight after those minutes suggesting there was zero time wasting in that time period so you can still waste time you just have to wait until after 90.
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I can see Emi getting 2 yellow cards in 'injury time'
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Stop the clock but with an independent timekeeper.
yes, and with a clearly visible countdown on view.
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Stop the clock but with an independent timekeeper.
This
I find the bleating of players and managers that their time-wasting tactics are being called out somewhat laughable.
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Let the physios on and the game carry on when players go down “injured “
Unless an obvious really bad clash of heads.
That’s stops a lot of time wasting overnight.
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The chairman of the PL (I think) was just on SSN going on about this, as if it was a huge issue. He also wanked on about bookings for time wasting and kicking the ball away being introduced. FFS, these rules have been in for years but are not always used against the more favoured sides and the same thing will happen again and again. I'm sure it was last season when that rat faced Newton Heath ****** booted the ball away and the ref ignored it.
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The chairman of the PL (I think) was just on SSN going on about this, as if it was a huge issue. He also wanked on about bookings for time wasting and kicking the ball away being introduced. FFS, these rules have been in for years but are not always used against the more favoured sides and the same thing will happen again and again. I'm sure it was last season when that rat faced Newton Heath ****** booted the ball away and the ref ignored it.
It all became an issue as soon as clubs that arent money making marketing machines started doing it.
They were happy to let Liverpool, Man U & the like get away with wasting time until the cows come home & merely called it "clever game management" game after game.
As soon as clubs like Villa started doing it, people like Carragher lifted his skirt & jumped up on a table screeching on about the "disgrace" of Villa "time wasting" & the problem "that is ruining the game!"
And then rule changes happened...
Heaven forbid we get a level playing field.
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The chairman of the PL (I think) was just on SSN going on about this, as if it was a huge issue. He also wanked on about bookings for time wasting and kicking the ball away being introduced. FFS, these rules have been in for years but are not always used against the more favoured sides and the same thing will happen again and again. I'm sure it was last season when that rat faced Newton Heath ****** booted the ball away and the ref ignored it.
It all became an issue as soon as clubs that arent money making marketing machines started doing it.
They were happy to let Liverpool, Man U & the like get away with wasting time until the cows come home & merely called it "clever game management" game after game.
As soon as clubs like Villa started doing it, people like Carragher lifted his skirt & jumped up on a table screeching on about the "disgrace" of Villa "time wasting" & the problem "that is ruining the game!"
And then rule changes happened...
Heaven forbid we get a level playing field.
that's why I think they should stop the clock which is in full view of the spectators and controlled independently.
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Apparently the players don't like all this added time, and the Stockport City manager has started moaning about it as well. Goal celebrations are now classed as time wasting so expect a few firm handshakes and an immediate resumption in future.
What a fucking mess, created out of nothing.
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Players moaning about what 90% of the working population have to do every so often, overtime!!!
Shock, horror!!
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Apparently the players don't like all this added time, and the Stockport City manager has started moaning about it as well. Goal celebrations are now classed as time wasting so expect a few firm handshakes and an immediate resumption in future.
What a fucking mess, created out of nothing.
The very people who cause the added time don’t want the time added.Of course Citeh want to bend all the rules in their favour *****.
The problem is that refs are not managing the game, allowing medical staff to come on the field as in Rugby would cut out some of the theatrics and deliberate time wasting but more importantly the intent to break up the play.
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Stop the clock like they do in rugby. Adding on considerable amounts of time at the end of games will just be another way to benefit certain teams. Manchester United losing 1-0 at home - 10 minute minimum as standard.
As we have seen with VAR, we need as few grey areas as possible.
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The average is 50 goals scored in 90+ minutes across all PL seasons.
Might make an interesting spread bet.
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Stop the clock like they do in rugby. Adding on considerable amounts of time at the end of games will just be another way to benefit certain teams. Manchester United losing 1-0 at home - 10 minute minimum as standard.
As we have seen with VAR, we need as few grey areas as possible.
Football is one big grey area, that's why I love it.
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The way rugby is played facilitates medical staff coming on with the magic sponge. It never fails to amuse me when I go down the Dragons: you get random radio-controlled cars, coaches, medical staff, water carriers and so on wandering on and off while the game goes on. It allows play to continue more fluidly but given the speed at which play rips up and down the pitch in PL football, I think it would cause chaos.
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Solving a problem that doesn't exist.
Well that's not true. Not to say that thee two options in the thread title are the only answers. Personally, I would start dishing out yellows quicker for the blatant time wasting - and yes, that would impact us (Emi) as much as anyone.
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Solving a problem that doesn't exist.
Well that's not true. Not to say that thee two options in the thread title are the only answers. Personally, I would start dishing out yellows quicker for the blatant time wasting - and yes, that would impact us (Emi) as much as anyone.
Where's the issue? I don't recall any huge injustice in the game last season due to time wasting, all teams do it and the refs have the ability to punish it. Four years ago Dwight Gayle got a second booking in the Play Off first leg and quite rightly so. Most of Emi's cautions have been entirely justified. The bigger concern is the unconscious (possibly) bias demonstrated by the officials towards the more favoured clubs in terms of penalising time wasting and the inconstancy in applying the rules already in existence.
Much like the introduction of VAR, something that is supposed to improve the game can have just the opposite effect, and now we have the scenario where celebrating a goal with unbridled joy, both on and off the field is stymied by a potential VAR check or yellow card.
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Stop the clock like they do in rugby. Adding on considerable amounts of time at the end of games will just be another way to benefit certain teams. Manchester United losing 1-0 at home - 10 minute minimum as standard.
As we have seen with VAR, we need as few grey areas as possible.
Football is one big grey area, that's why I love it.
As we've seen with the introduction of VAR though, those grey areas too often seem to benefit certain teams. This will be the same.
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Introduce a "Stop the clock" rule for two or three seasons. When the time-wasting/shithousing wankers have got the message, go back to added time at the ref's disgression.
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Game management is impossible if you don't know if the game is 90, 95, 100 or 105 minutes long. There should be 2 clocks in every stadium running concurrently. One for the 90 minutes normal time, the other for 'obvious' stoppage time (var, on field treatment, goal celebrations, substitutions) which is controlled by a 5th official.
At their own discretion, the referee can add extra minutes for what they deem time wasting on to the 'obvious' stoppages.
Transparency is absolutely essential for proper game management.
Anyways, that's my annual brainwave. Hope you like it.
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Arsenal have just shown why this initiative is pointless.
Ref gives 7 mins "time wasting time".
Arsenal spend 5 mins 30 seconds wasting time.
Ref adds on 1 minute.
So real amount of "time wasting time" ended up being 2 mins 30 seconds...
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Arsenal have just shown why this initiative is pointless.
Ref gives 7 mins "time wasting time".
Arsenal spend 5 mins 30 seconds wasting time.
Ref adds on 1 minute.
So real amount of "time wasting time" ended up being 2 mins 30 seconds...
And why stopping the clock is the only way to counter it.