Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on July 11, 2023, 10:14:15 PM
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Up and running.
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Three new signings so far, certainly no weaker than last season. Hoping for a couple more and great to have Villa players in the World Cup squad!
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Anna Pattern made her loan move permanent yesterday which is great. Would love Kirsty Hansen to do the same.
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Anna Pattern made her loan move permanent yesterday which is great. Would love Kirsty Hansen to do the same.
Hansen would be huge if they could do it.
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When does the season start?
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First match of the season Man United at home 1st October.
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Bought two season tickets today, one for me, one for my niece. I think I've managed to avoid our view being massively impaired by the columns in the community stand, but time will eventually tell; we're not due to play there before the 22nd of October.
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First match of the season Man United at home 1st October.
At Villa Park.
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Looking forward to seeing Daly play as a striker for England women they actually used her as left back previously.
Can see a hat trick incoming.
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Looking forward to seeing Daly play as a striker for England women they actually used her as left back previously.
Can see a hat trick incoming.
Agree, that would be great.
Rachel Daly was, for me, the stand out performer at left back during the Euros.
She has also stated that she would play anywhere for the team.
I think playing in the US has really helped her, as they are/were way ahead of Europe in women’s football
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Daly not in the starting line up. So it's just not Southgate...
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Daphne van Domselaar is the Dutch number one goal keeper and is playing today against Portugal.
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Our great French lady Kenza Dali is on the bench for France.
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She did well when she came on.
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We have a new assistant manager, Leanne Hall, who has spent the last few seasons at some team called Arsenal? Don't know if they're any good or not.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/02/leanne-hall-appointed-as-villa-women-assistant-coach/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/02/leanne-hall-appointed-as-villa-women-assistant-coach/)
I'm guessing this is an upgrade!
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Our new goalkeeper registering another clean sheet as Netherlands progress to the quarterfinals with a 2-0 win over South Africa. She had quite a bit to do for a change, drawing praise from the coach for keeping them in the game in the first half.
Next up, a big test in the small hours of Friday morning: Spain.
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Maz Pacheco has signed a new deal until 2024/25
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/07/maz-pacheco-pens-fresh-deal/
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Kirsty Hanson signs a permanent deal (subject to FA approval)
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/11/kirsty-hanson-joins-villa-women-on-permanent-deal-/
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Kirsty Hanson signs a permanent deal (subject to FA approval)
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/11/kirsty-hanson-joins-villa-women-on-permanent-deal-/
Brilliant news, she was fantastic last season and is Scottish, which makes it even better.
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That's brilliant news.
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That's brilliant news.
Definitely, was what I was hoping for, she was my favourite player last season.
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Should have been the first pre-season friendly today at Bodymoor Heath against Southampton. Can’t find any info about it anywhere. Does anyone have any idea how we got on ?
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Lost 1-2. There's a minimal report on the website. Lucy Parker scored inside 4 minutes on her debut.
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Alisha Lehmann extends her stay to 2026
https://x.com/avwfcofficial/status/1694294157311836246?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/17/Alisha_Rules_the_World.jpeg/220px-Alisha_Rules_the_World.jpeg)
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Lost 1-2. There's a minimal report on the website. Lucy Parker scored inside 4 minutes on her debut.
Thanks Lastfootstamper. I did notice the website’s brief description of the game a few hours later. Away at Spurs this Saturday. Behind closed doors again.
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Alisha Lehmann extends her stay to 2026
https://x.com/avwfcofficial/status/1694294157311836246?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
Good. Footballing-wise, we've other options and I think we'll see different systems so she's not going to be an uncontested starter. But for the growth of the game and putting Villa front and centre in the modern game's online landscape, she's massive.
And she likes a Marmite sandwich.
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This popped up on my YouTube homepage the other day. Haven't watched it but the comments seem positive.
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Rachel Daly: Aston Villa forward wins PFA Women's Player of the Year award
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66650727
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Congratulations Rachel well deserved.
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Quite right. We may well have won the World Cup had the manager deployed her properly.
Well done Rachel.
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Thoroughly deserved, brilliant season.
Well done Rachel
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Well done our Rach !!!!
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I'm so happy about that. She's a brilliant player, so brave, fearless. Go on, Rach. I'd love to see her lift a trophy with us.
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We have not one, but two players amongst the 30 nominees for the Ballon d'Or. Both our spectacular centre-forward/leftback and our spectacularly named new goalkeeper have made the shortlist. I doubt either will win, but it's good to see the level we're now operating at.
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Aston Villa Women are delighted to announce the return of Ebony Salmon on a three year-contract, subject to FA approval and receipt of international travel clearance.
The striker joins the club from Houston Dash having left in 2018.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/september/08/ebony-salmon-re-joins-villa-women-/
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Let's hope she's as good as the last striker we got from Dash. Welcome back.
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Aston Villa Women are delighted to announce the return of Ebony Salmon on a three year-contract, subject to FA approval and receipt of international travel clearance.
The striker joins the club from Houston Dash having left in 2018.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/september/08/ebony-salmon-re-joins-villa-women-/
I hope she comes on leaps and bounds
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She's a cracking player and will give us some extra pace up front.
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Aston Villa Women are pleased to announce the signing of Adriana Leon from Manchester United.
The Canadian international joins on a two-year deal and becomes Carla Ward's sixth summer signing.
Leon, 30, joins having had previous spells in England with West Ham United and Manchester United.
The winger adds further depth to our forward line after the permanent arrivals of Kirsty Hanson and Ebony Salmon.
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I'm beginning to feel like we're going to confront the new season with a somewhat Keeganesque approach. I think my season ticket for the price of two-and-a-bit games of men's might prove fruitful. UTV.
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I'm beginning to feel like we're going to confront the new season with a somewhat Keeganesque approach. I think my season ticket for the price of two-and-a-bit games of men's might prove fruitful. UTV.
I agree. It really is a bargain.
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Adriana looks a little bit like Alisha Lehman, which is no bad thing.
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Was wondering how folk within the women's game will receive the new calender Alesha Lehmann is to be bringing out fornext year. Surely that kind of thing goes against the message they are trying to send out. Not sure if any other female players do them?
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Was wondering how folk within the women's game will receive the new calender Alesha Lehmann is to be bringing out fornext year. Surely that kind of thing goes against the message they are trying to send out. Not sure if any other female players do them?
What message?
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Was wondering how folk within the women's game will receive the new calender Alesha Lehmann is to be bringing out fornext year. Surely that kind of thing goes against the message they are trying to send out. Not sure if any other female players do them?
What message?
That a woman shouldn't choose what she does with her own body. At least that is what I think it is.
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Was wondering how folk within the women's game will receive the new calender Alesha Lehmann is to be bringing out fornext year. Surely that kind of thing goes against the message they are trying to send out. Not sure if any other female players do them?
What message?
That a woman shouldn't choose what she does with her own body. At least that is what I think it is.
Oh good, just checking I picked that up correctly.
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Sad news.
https://metro.co.uk/2023/09/21/sheffield-united-confirm-tragic-death-of-maddy-cusack-aged-27-19539278/
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10,000 tickets now sold for the opener next weekend. Massive when you think about where it's risen from in just 4 years.
From the archives (https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/05/16/aston-villa-ladies-attendances-increase)
Aston Villa Ladies’ average attendance increased by an impressive 133% during the 2018/19 season.
A crowd of 441 watched Saturday’s season finale against Crystal Palace at the Ladies’ home ground Boldmere St Michaels FC, meaning their average attendance across 14 matches was 495.
The figure represents a huge jump from their average crowd of 212 in the 2017/18 season when they were playing at Tamworth FC.
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10,000 tickets now sold for the opener next weekend. Massive when you think about where it's risen from in just 4 years.
From the archives (https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/05/16/aston-villa-ladies-attendances-increase)
Aston Villa Ladies’ average attendance increased by an impressive 133% during the 2018/19 season.
A crowd of 441 watched Saturday’s season finale against Crystal Palace at the Ladies’ home ground Boldmere St Michaels FC, meaning their average attendance across 14 matches was 495.
The figure represents a huge jump from their average crowd of 212 in the 2017/18 season when they were playing at Tamworth FC.
I am taking my 9 year old granddaughter to this for her first visit to Villa Park. It's only £3.50 for her ticket but I'ii probably spend 10 times that amount when she's let loose in the club shop. A 10k plus attendance will be a record and should help create a really good atmosphere. Apparently the away allocation to ManYoo has been increased from 1.5k to 3k but they chuck them up in the corner of the Upper Trinity. It's also live on BBC2.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66813040
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10,000 tickets now sold for the opener next weekend. Massive when you think about where it's risen from in just 4 years.
It will be shown live on the BBC for those that can't make it. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66813040
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Team for today
(https://i.ibb.co/Np2bvwB/20231001-113040.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Np2bvwB)
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Are the terrace view and lower grounds options available for the women's games?
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Team for today
(https://i.ibb.co/Np2bvwB/20231001-113040.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Np2bvwB)
Did wonder if Lehmann would make the team now. Is Dali injured?
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Both the Man City and Liverpool women's teams were stopped at Corley Services after our game yesterday, presumably on their way to their games in London. It was quite nice to see the players from both sides mingling with each other, and also chatting to fans who approached them.
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Team for tonight's match at Liverpool
(https://i.ibb.co/vHTchjz/20231008-182014.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vHTchjz)
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Live on Sky.
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Mayling's being given a bit of a runaround.
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And stop f****** giving it away in midfield!
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Losing 1-0.
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Unbelievable miss/goal-line clearance denying us an equaliser.
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And Salmon should've done better after the restart.
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crap.
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We look unfit.
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We look lightweight, slow, hit and hope.
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Play like this often enough and I don't think it'll be the top end of the table we'll be battling at. Dali can't come back quick enough.
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Piss poor.
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Out worked and less desire to get the ball throughout game…need to buck their ideas up quickly or will be a long season.
Need Hanson and Dali back v quickly & hopefully they have another right back somewhere as Mayling was poor for both United goals last week and didn’t cover herself in glory tonight either.
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Mayling hasn't been good enough for a while in my opinion.
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Attacking wise I thought we battered them.
The biggest problem was that we weren’t quick enough in thought and action in their box and the best chances fell to everyone except Daly.
Lehman, continues to be shit. All the gear but……..
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According to her someone offered Lehmann £90k to spend the night with her. She won’t say who it is but apparently very very famous internationally known individual. This happened in Miami. I did wonder if it was well….
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Arsenal V Aston Villa
2pm Sunday.
A tough match again even if Arsenal haven't started the season well the best they have high quality players across the squad.
Salmon deserves to start.
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Arsenal V Aston Villa
2pm Sunday.
A tough match again even if Arsenal haven't started the season well the best they have high quality players across the squad.
Salmon deserves to start.
She doesn't. She needs to make an impression when given the chance which the two times so far she REALLY hasn't done. Early days and all that.
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According to her someone offered Lehmann £90k to spend the night with her. She won’t say who it is but apparently very very famous internationally known individual. This happened in Miami. I did wonder if it was well….
Drake. Not the Patrick McGoohan character
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I think the previous posts of the speculation on who it was were deleted. And rightly so unless it has been confirmed by either the person or Lehman.
Edit: My mistake, it wasn't this thread but weirdly someone posted it in Celebrity fans.
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BBC one versus Arsenal what are people's predictions for scores and players starting ? It's at the Emirates . Arsenal football club take the woman's team very seriously and are a historic women's football team.
The crowds and support they get are unprecedented.
For Villa I would definitely start Leon and Daly so that the other spot in those top areas of the field, is Salmon or Lehmann.
Rachel Daly is a heroine and the greatest women's player we have ever had.
Ward, I believe, will adopt a conservative approach as Arsenal despite poor start are a high quality outfit. The trouble is our first choice midfield is missing and with Hanson suspended too that's not great especially with Dahli missing still.
But I can tell you something: we have a fantastic keeper. The Dutch number one custodian is one of the greatest in the world at saving shots. In my opinion, that was an upgrade in position.
3-1 loss
Daly with a consolation
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We're punting out mascot packages for £375 each. It's nice to see that the women's team is getting more like the men's.
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It's £750 if you get to hold Alisha's hand.
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(https://i.ibb.co/LngLbrK/FB-IMG-1697373453751.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LngLbrK)
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Leon should be starting and disappointed for salmon.
I think that's a very cautious lineup.
Not surprised Lehmann isn't starting but good to see Mcgill.
Anyone care to give predictions like I did ?
I can only see a defeat but Daly scoring for us.
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I'm not too surprised about any of Lehmann, Salmon or Leon not starting. They've all disappointed, especially when expecting one of them to step it up in Hanson's absence. Magill's turn. Good to have Pacheco back.
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1-0 to the Villa. Header from a corner. UTV!
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Get in, Maz!
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Immovable object currently confounding irresistible force. This could be a long hour.
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Yeah, it’s a bit of a hard watch at times - we lose the ball almost as soon as we recover it
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Yeah, some of our passing has been sloppy. If we can score another couple then I'd be tempted to put another body in midfield...
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Ahead 0-1 at the break… not particularly confident, though - we were just holding on for the last few minutes
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DVD's not got her knees dirty. I reckon Ward will wait and see how arsenal try to change things before she does.
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DVD's not got her knees dirty.
She does lend an air of confidence to proceedings.
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Is it controversial to say I quite like that blue kit?
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The monochrome badge and sponsor make it work, IMO
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Just had a look at the Arsenal FC, sorry BBC match feed.
Good to see its exactly the same in the women's game.
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Sheesh. Chaos in our box. Off the post. Could have gone anywhere
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Just had a look at the Arsenal FC, sorry BBC match feed.
Good to see its exactly the same in the women's game.
Anita Asante was introduced as 'ex-Arsenal player' at the beginning of the game. The fact that she spent the last two years of her career playing for Villa, and last played for Arsenal fifteen years ago.....just doesn't seem to matter!!!
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So 25% of the second half is added on. Not watching but is that realistic ?
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So 25% of the second half is added on. Not watching but is that realistic ?
Been a lot of injuries, but 12 feels excessive
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If that was the other way round there’s no way they wouldn’t be talking about how the ball was won in the middle of the pitch with that tackle from behind
(Their equaliser)
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Probably. I predicted 8 but there's been a lot of injuries and substitutions
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Much to the delight of the commentary team, Villa have wilted.
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Shiiit 2nd arsenal goal in injury time. We’ve been defending all 45min
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If that was the other way round there’s no way they wouldn’t be talking about how the ball was won in the middle of the pitch with that tackle from behind
(Their equaliser)
A definite foul and a probable booking.
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Taxi for Ward
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Hard to know what to make of that given our clear plan to put everyone but Daly behind the ball.
We never used to expect anything from these games but now can’t help but feel a little disappointed in that outcome.
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Good performance considering two of our best players are missing. Thought Corsie/Patten/Turner were excellent as a back three. Not so impressed with van Domselaar. Good minutes for Magill; she will only get better. Lucy Parker looks useful. We'll be fine this season, the table doesn't tell the full story. Good to see Mead back.
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Taxi for Ward
I hope you're joking?? You sound like an Arsenal fan!
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Taxi for Ward
I hope you're joking?? You sound like an Arsenal fan!
Bizarre
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Just had a look at the Arsenal FC, sorry BBC match feed.
Good to see its exactly the same in the women's game.
Yeah I was thinking the same. We're used to media bias in mens football but womens football is just the same. Massively in favour of Arsenal and every other commentator seems to be a cockney red. It's so depressing.
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If that was the other way round there’s no way they wouldn’t be talking about how the ball was won in the middle of the pitch with that tackle from behind
(Their equaliser)
Replays of the goal seem to only start from after the challenge. Odd, that.
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Taxi for Ward
I hope you're joking?? You sound like an Arsenal fan!
No. An Arsenal fan would have stopped watching after the their 2nd goal went in to go and find something with smashed avocado in it.
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I mean, you would think they'd start with how the gallant arsenal won the ball back tigerishly in midfield. But heyfuckingho.
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Taxi for Ward
I hope you're joking?? You sound like an Arsenal fan!
No. An Arsenal fan would have stopped watching after the their 2nd goal went in to go and find something with smashed avocado in it.
Have a look at their half-time comments on Twitter and you'll see what I mean.
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This is exactly why i take zero interest in the Villa women's team.
I get enough grief, agitation, anger and delusion from the men's Premier League without getting it from another source.
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DBB needs to go.
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Their equaliser came from about as blatant a foul as you'll ever see, but strangely neither of the commentators noticed.
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This is exactly why i take zero interest in the Villa women's team.
I get enough grief, agitation, anger and delusion from the men's Premier League without getting it from another source.
Same. I watched a bit of the game and the bias was astounding so I switched back to the racing at Ffos Las where the commentators don't know who I've backed so can't pull the same stunt. Always thinking.
* taps nose *
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This is exactly why i take zero interest in the Villa women's team.
I get enough grief, agitation, anger and delusion from the men's Premier League without getting it from another source.
Same. I watched a bit of the game and the bias was astounding so I switched back to the racing at Ffos Las where the commentators don't know who I've backed so can't pull the same stunt. Always thinking.
* taps nose *
Same again. I only have enough energy for one team, and past that I don't care. There's also the fact that what you're watching isn't very good at all.
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This is exactly why i take zero interest in the Villa women's team.
I get enough grief, agitation, anger and delusion from the men's Premier League without getting it from another source.
Same. I watched a bit of the game and the bias was astounding so I switched back to the racing at Ffos Las where the commentators don't know who I've backed so can't pull the same stunt. Always thinking.
* taps nose *
I’m in that camp too. I don’t want to invest in another part of the club that might be nothing more than ordinary at best. When they win, meh, when the lose, shrug.
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I do support them because they are Aston Villa. But sadly as today, and the Man Utd game, showed, Villa by name, Villa by nature.
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This is exactly why i take zero interest in the Villa women's team.
I get enough grief, agitation, anger and delusion from the men's Premier League without getting it from another source.
Same. I watched a bit of the game and the bias was astounding so I switched back to the racing at Ffos Las where the commentators don't know who I've backed so can't pull the same stunt. Always thinking.
* taps nose *
Same again. I only have enough energy for one team, and past that I don't care. There's also the fact that what you're watching isn't very good at all.
Agree completely.
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It's the idea that you have to support them, and that they've somehow been crowbarred into parity with the men, that puts me off.
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It's £750 if you get to hold Alisha's hand.
So did they take your credit card?
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It's the idea that you have to support them, and that they've somehow been crowbarred into parity with the men, that puts me off.
Again, agreed.
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I guess I just mostly think of them like the youth team or the under 23s or something. They are Villa and if they’re on telly I’ll watch them and sometimes I’ll go to one of their more important games, or just the odd one randomly.
I care about them, but not like the men’s first team. Same as losing a Youth Cup Final isn’t like losing an FA Cup final. It’s disappointing, not heartbreaking.
That’s the range they sit in for me.
Yesterday, I went for a walk because it was a lovely day and only watched the second half. I’d miss a lovely day if the men’s first team were on.
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I guess I just mostly think of them like the youth team or the under 23s or something. They are Villa and if they’re on telly I’ll watch them and sometimes I’ll go to one of their more important games, or just the odd one randomly.
I care about them, but not like the men’s first team. Same as losing a Youth Cup Final isn’t like losing an FA Cup final. It’s disappointing, not heartbreaking.
That’s the range they sit in for me.
Yesterday, I went for a walk because it was a lovely day and only watched the second half. I’d miss a lovely day if the men’s first team were on.
This is where I am I think. I can't force myself to feel the same way about them as I do the men's team as it's a completely irrational devotion that doesn't apply anywhere else in my life, and much like paulie I'm loathe to take on more of that stuff.
However, I do also recognise that the women's side of the game has been extremely hard done by down the years and over-hyping the game now is necessary to put right many of those wrongs and help it going forward. And it doesn't need to convince the likes of me or anyone else on this board that's grown up in the old days, it's the effect it has on the youngsters that makes the difference.
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The driving motive is to make money - have the games at Villa Park, get new sponsors on board, secure the share of wallet of an untapped audience - there are some broader social benefits - but the clubs can smell the money as the womens game begins takes off.
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The driving motive is to make money - have the games at Villa Park, get new sponsors on board, secure the share of wallet of an untapped audience - there are some broader social benefits - but the clubs can smell the money as the womens game begins takes off.
That makes sense. Take the Villa for instance, are the WSL Villa fans a new set of fans that only go to see WSL games or do they attend both?
I wouldn't bother going even if it was free in.
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I watched the majority of the second half. It was one way traffic and Arsenal were unlucky not to equalise one or two times near the end of the 90 minutes, with some instances where I was amazed we didn't concede. As soon as the board went up showing 12 minutes of injury time, the writing was on the wall.
I don't feel particularly invested in the women's side though. I would have been gutted if the men's team had been that close to winning a tough away game at a top side only to lose in injury time.
Nice to see them doing well but there's still a big gap to the top sides in the league.
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I guess I just mostly think of them like the youth team or the under 23s or something. They are Villa and if they’re on telly I’ll watch them and sometimes I’ll go to one of their more important games, or just the odd one randomly.
I care about them, but not like the men’s first team. Same as losing a Youth Cup Final isn’t like losing an FA Cup final. It’s disappointing, not heartbreaking.
That’s the range they sit in for me.
Yesterday, I went for a walk because it was a lovely day and only watched the second half. I’d miss a lovely day if the men’s first team were on.
This is where I am I think. I can't force myself to feel the same way about them as I do the men's team as it's a completely irrational devotion that doesn't apply anywhere else in my life, and much like paulie I'm loathe to take on more of that stuff.
However, I do also recognise that the women's side of the game has been extremely hard done by down the years and over-hyping the game now is necessary to put right many of those wrongs and help it going forward. And it doesn't need to convince the likes of me or anyone else on this board that's grown up in the old days, it's the effect it has on the youngsters that makes the difference.
The trouble is, the over-hyping can't get round the fact that you can't just manufacture history, meaning and rivalry. People might go along for a nice day out if the tickets are cheap, but it's going to take a generation to really build that deep-rooted support, if they ever achieve it.
As mentioned above, money will be the driving factor, and I just can't see any overseas broadcasters ever wanting to spend decent money on the WSL.
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Does it really need the tribalism that comes with the men's game? One of the appeals of some other sports is that families are happy to go to them and rival fans can sit amongst eachother without it being an issue.
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Does it really need the tribalism that comes with the men's game? One of the appeals of some other sports is that families are happy to go to them and rival fans can sit amongst each other without it being an issue.
Agreed, my daughter really likes going to the womens games because she likes the atmosphere whereas the one time I took her to a mens game she hated how aggressive it was.
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Does it really need the tribalism that comes with the men's game? One of the appeals of some other sports is that families are happy to go to them and rival fans can sit amongst each other without it being an issue.
Agreed, my daughter really likes going to the womens games because she likes the atmosphere whereas the one time I took her to a mens game she hated how aggressive it was.
We shouldn't be encouraging women football, next they will want to drink in our pubs
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There are kids now that are obsessed with football and they love both men's and women's football. They're growing up with visibility of both and i'd sooner take a child to a women's game than a men's game because of the reduced aggro, swearing and let's be honest, irrationality.
I'll never be majorly fussed by women's football and couldn't imagine going to Wembley if the Villa women made it to a cup final but that would change if I were to have kids who wanted to watch it
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My own view is that I will watch something that is of a high standard. With the handful of games I have endured the standard has been by and large absolutely awful. So I would not pay to watch it. And this is not an anti women's sport thing. For example I was glued to the Raducanu US Open win because of the sheer quality of her tennis. Less said about her now the better. And as someone said earlier, trying to equate it in any way, shape or form to the men's game is just nonsensical.
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Does it really need the tribalism that comes with the men's game? One of the appeals of some other sports is that families are happy to go to them and rival fans can sit amongst each other without it being an issue.
Agreed, my daughter really likes going to the womens games because she likes the atmosphere whereas the one time I took her to a mens game she hated how aggressive it was.
But like it or not, it's the passion that makes football as a whole easily the most popular sport in the world, and the Premier League in particular the most popular league in it. If you haven't got the intensity, and the quality isn't there, then it doesn't really deserve the exposure it's getting.
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My own view is that I will watch something that is of a high standard. With the handful of games I have endured the standard has been by and large absolutely awful. So I would not pay to watch it. And this is not an anti women's sport thing. For example I was glued to the Raducanu US Open win because of the sheer quality of her tennis. Less said about her now the better. And as someone said earlier, trying to equate it in any way, shape or form to the men's game is just nonsensical.
Have the men’s team not sometimes been absolutely awful?
There are also lots of football fans who support men’s teams in Leagues 1 & 2, or even pay admittance for The Conference/National League. People (maybe not you) watch football generally due to an investment in the outcome, even if that’s only watching their kids play, regardless of the standard.
I think investment in the outcome is a choice that doesn’t depend on the standard.
For me, I am interested in the women, but I feel that football already takes up far too much of my time and energy, so, like most other people here, I don’t want to get too interested.
However, we are seeing bigger attendances in the women’s game where it is really hard or prohibitively expensive to go the the men’s games for the same clubs, and this could be where families grow up supporting a women’s team, and do develop that emotional investment in it.
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Even our team of 2015 was better quality than what I have seen so far. Okay, I maybe exaggerating. Let me rephrase it, none of it gets me on the edge of my seat and it is terrible to watch for the most part. One thing it has in common with the men's team though, is the ability to concede late goals to lose games. Oh and it is only £12 to watch a game so the attendances are going up but still only 12k recently at home.
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Ooh,we're winning.Can we hang on for the win.
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1-1 with some stupid defensive howler
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1-2 now.When we haven't got the ball we are woeful. No closing down or awareness.
Relegation fight it is then.
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Even though as I suspected Lehmann not making starting line up the set up is all wrong.
Accomodation too many attackers.
Chelsea next and Ward is under pressure especially if we lose this one.
I do wonder if taking step backwards. We have the second half to turn things around v spurs.
Come on Villa!
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The wingers aren't doing anywhere near enough. No end product going forward (penalty win aside), invisible when we've not got the ball.
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1-3 with some b/s defending in the box.
Ward out now
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How offside? Lino's nowhere.
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Really missing Dali and Hanson to grab goals/assists and take the pressure off.
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1-3 with some b/s defending in the box.
Ward out now
1-4 now
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Tottenham top of men’s and women’s leagues. Puke.
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Tottenham top of men’s and women’s leagues. Puke.
Liverpool are top of the men's table at the moment.
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I thought that in the summer, if we wanted to have any chance of really troubling the top four we needed to upgrade the defence. We didn't. But the permanent signing of Hanson along with the addition of Leon and the return of Salmon had me thinking it didn't matter because we'd be scoring six every week. Not exactly panning out like that.
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How offside? Lino's nowhere.
I was behind that lino and she was shite all game, constantly behind play and it was indeed offside.
I know this is incredibly harsh but Salmon does not look like a top level footballer in the slightest. Just watch her movement, she's slow and has no dynamism or awareness, loses the ball loads and has no end product. Genuinely terrible.
And on Carla Ward, why are we playing CB's as fullbacks? Why a CM at fullback? I agree with you that we needed to upgrade defensively as well after last season but if you need fullbacks... then buy fucking fullbacks. It shows how little faith she has in them now she's square pegging round holes regularly. It's a 22 game season and we've lost the first 4, our season bar surviving is close to over already. What a let down.
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I love Pacheco's energy, but her and Mayling as fullbacks give me flashbacks of watching Taylor & Hutton with my fingers crossed.
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Also, these performances and results are having a huge negative effect on attendance. That was a disappointing gate yesterday. I'm quite glad the chelsea game's not had to be moved to VP.
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I love Pacheco's energy, but her and Mayling as fullbacks give me flashbacks of watching Taylor & Hutton with my fingers crossed.
Completely agree LFS. We really should have upgraded.
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A question for what I suspect is a limited audience; has anybody on here taken the Adult+U14 season ticket package? Do the adult and the child get a card each, or is it one between them? Asking for a friend who's concerned that her niece hasn't received one.
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Parker injured on England duty. Not sure how long she's out for.
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Rachel Daly tenth overall in the women's Ballon D’Or voting.
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Wlll done Rachel.
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Wlll done Rachel.
I say!
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Bump this cos we're playing. Bescot looking like Silent Hill
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Oh dear
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We're in for a shoeing here.
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Double oh dear. This is embarrassing
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Lehmann is very very poor, a liability, lack of willingness to engage defensively is dreadful & offers little going forward.
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0-4 .
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Desperate…that 4th goal and lack of brains and desire to mark players is embarrassing
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0-5
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I’ve switched to formula 1….its that bad
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I’ve switched to formula 1….its that bad
Surely watching Man Utd struggle is more fun? Sitting here hoping for a flukey Man U winner to keep ETH in a job. They’re that bad.
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0-6
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According to the BBC website we only have 6 players on the bench whereas Chelsea have 9. Any reason for this?
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I’ve switched to formula 1….its that bad
Surely watching Man Utd struggle is more fun? Sitting here hoping for a flukey Man U winner to keep ETH in a job. They’re that bad.
Can we have the lottery numbers please??
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I’ve switched to formula 1….its that bad
Surely watching Man Utd struggle is more fun? Sitting here hoping for a flukey Man U winner to keep ETH in a job. They’re that bad.
Can we have the lottery numbers please??
Classic papering over the cracks. They’re still shit. And good news for next week, so are Fulham.
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According to the BBC website we only have 6 players on the bench whereas Chelsea have 9. Any reason for this?
No squad depth, pure and simple. We were exactly the same towards the end of last season when we were naming even fewer subs.
It was disappointing to not see Dali at least make the bench, and Parker being out didn't help with reducing the midfield porousity. I'm not sure why Corsie didn't start, if anyone can shed any light on that. Liv McLoughlin who came on only turned 19 last month, and it can't be helping LBB's development in what should be a pivotal season for the 20yo when we're getting battered week after week.
The two transfer windows prior to last we did brilliantly well. The last one is looking pretty damning.
Ultimately I'm glad we kept it to 6 today, as I've never seen a Villa team concede 7. A record I'd rather take to the grave.
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According to the BBC website we only have 6 players on the bench whereas Chelsea have 9. Any reason for this?
No squad depth, pure and simple. We were exactly the same towards the end of last season when we were naming even fewer subs.
It was disappointing to not see Dali at least make the bench, and Parker being out didn't help with reducing the midfield porousity. I'm not sure why Corsie didn't start, if anyone can shed any light on that. Liv McLoughlin who came on only turned 19 last month, and it can't be helping LBB's development in what should be a pivotal season for the 20yo when we're getting battered week after week.
The two transfer windows prior to last we did brilliantly well. The last one is looking pretty damning.
Ultimately I'm glad we kept it to 6 today, as I've never seen a Villa team concede 7. A record I'd rather take to the grave.
Looking a wasted opportunity, looked the team on the up after last season….look so soft this one. Should have been 3 at back or 3 in the middle and bin Lehmann off
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I listened to a podcast, I think from The Guardian, shortly before the season started. 3 of the 4 presenters/journalists/pundits tipped us for a CL place.
I thought it was quite telling today that despite being whooped and the crowd desperate for the even the most measly crumb of comfort, there was no sign of Leon coming on.
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Bristol City away, next in the league, a 6 pointer!
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Kerr didn't even play today. Small mercies and that.
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Has she been sacked yet?
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Ward must be on borrowed time given the investment in the squad. And Footy looks right about Lehman being a show-pony.
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There's not been investment in the squad, though. We leaked goals for fun last season, nearing two a game, and then did nothing to strengthen the defence. It smacks of desperation that the closest we came to doing so was the permanent signing of loanee who'd been part of that defence anyway. We can't even fill the bench. 8 of the 10 players we let go weren't good enough. We swapped one good 'keeper for another, but only added 3 new outfield bodies, 2 of which have looked a bit pants so far. I don't know to what extent Ward holds sway over transfers, but I find it hard to believe she was satisfied with the summer leaving her so short of bodies.
If for anything, her position should be under threat because of the uninspiring aimless guff we're dishing up regardless.
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I’ve always though Lehman was gash.
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Ward will do well to make it to that gala dinner they’re hosting for her.
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Not exactly great.
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Need brizzle to lose to wham by 3 goals to take us off the bottom of the table. Not a scenario I envisaged after 5 games.
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Instead it looks like we will be three points adrift on our own at the bottom.
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Taxi for Carla, must be getting closer, although this has been the toughest start imaginable. I guess the argument to that is that we have brought better players in and were meant to compete better than we have.
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4-0 up at half time against Sheffield United in the Continental Cup. Hat-trick for Daly whose evening's work is done, 1 for Salmon. Dali on the bench, hopefully see her get half an hour.
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Turner turns home a fifth from close range at the second attempt after some smart play from Nobbs and Leon.
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Dali's on. About the best news we've had this season.
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Leat saves a penalty in the very last piece of action to preserve the clean sheet. Finishes 5-0.
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Leon had a hand (or foot) in four of the goals.
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Currently 0-0
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Scortrrrrrrrrcccchhhioo
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Scoooooorrrrrrrrrrrcccchhhhhhiooo
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0-2.
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0-2.
Was following this with more anxiety than the men!
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First points of the season and off the bottom
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https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67359842
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I'm not sure I see what the problem is there:
"Only 10 to 15 per cent of players in the Women's Super League are black."
Only 4% of the UK population is black, so that's already a bigger than expected representation?
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I'm not sure I see what the problem is there:
"Only 10 to 15 per cent of players in the Women's Super League are black."
Only 4% of the UK population is black, so that's already a bigger than expected representation?
It isn't just black people but asian and other minorities for the 10-15%, which is less then the about 20% in the last census. However I'm guessing that as mens football is 40% black players, (no mention of Asian or others), they might be looking that less non white women seem to want to play then non-white men. Whether that is culture or somehing else is what they might be addressing.
Still a massive under-representation of minorities in the management structures though on both genders.
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It says black, not BAME though. In reality, given the lack of Asian players in the league I suspect the difference is tiny anyway. Agree on the management compared to the number of players.
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It says black, not BAME though. In reality, given the lack of Asian players in the league I suspect the difference is tiny anyway. Agree on the management compared to the number of players.
Seems you have a weird BBC article then.
'It shouldn't matter where you come from'
In 2021 it was estimated that the proportion of black, Asian and minority players in the WSL was between 10 and 15%.
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It says black, not BAME though. In reality, given the lack of Asian players in the league I suspect the difference is tiny anyway. Agree on the management compared to the number of players.
Seems you have a weird BBC article then.
'It shouldn't matter where you come from'
In 2021 it was estimated that the proportion of black, Asian and minority players in the WSL was between 10 and 15%.
That's a mistake on their part. They're reporting on (and linking to) a Telegraph article that is specifically discussing black players.
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Ahh, I wasn't going down a rabbit hole of links, just original, plus I don't have access to the whole article. Are we sure the Telegraph is purely looking at Black players or just counting all non white players as black? What about ME? But the other argument does apply, why is the percentage a lot higher in the male game then the females? Is it culture?
As an aside, for football, you would need an ethnic breakdown of between 15-39 to determine the differences rather then looking at census data for all ages like you did, as white people do traditionally live longer, and older minorities sometimes migrate back to their home nations to retire.
(I was working it out then couldn't be bothered but they do trend higher then the whole census by about 2% higher in each BAME category and 26% overall.)
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Currently winning away to West Ham 2-1.
Loud away following
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Daly best player on the pitch by miles
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Watching women's matches, I'm astounded how much dirty fouls are allowed to go unpunished.
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Is this on telly?
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Is this on telly?
Yes
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Bollocks 2-2
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On the FA player.
2-2 now. Poor closing down.We're so on top too, but don't create enough chances.
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Far too much sitting back has resulted in the equaliser
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Parker's a big miss. Playing a centre-half in there in her absence hasn't worked yet. We stand off.
A plus point is Leon's starting to be better.
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Have fucking some of that!
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Rachel Daly with a fucking beaut to go 3-2
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Won
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Another team leapfrogged.
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Daly is some player
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Referee let so many poor challenges go and when he didn’t he was too slow to give out cards as deterrents.
Need Parker fit again quickly and a right back in transfer window.
Daly is head and shoulders above
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Cracking finish for the winner.
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just seen the score , get in , those girls were starting to upset as much as the boys did 😃
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Carla Ward lives on!
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Well done ladies, onwards and UPWARDS from now on.
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Great result, your well deserved second win in consecutive matches; that’s more like it! What a fight! What a team! What a result! 👏👍🌟⚽️⚽️⚽️
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Onward and upward.
UTVW
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Stop it.
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Fine. But it's just frustrating Rachel Daly should be the one people talk about far more
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Fine. But it's just frustrating Rachel Daly should be the one people talk about far more
Because she's good and scores goals?!
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Best ever Villa woman's player. Fact.
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That Leon looks a decent prospect
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Fine. But it's just frustrating Rachel Daly should be the one people talk about far more
Have I missed a deleted post? Afterall the thread has plenty of mentions of Daly.
Obviously we are also playing poorer opposition then the first few games, but no surprise with Dali and Hanson back and playing, we are getting results again.
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In the opening minutes of the League Cup, already up 1-0.
Salmon scored.
With this one, we can afford to rest Daly and a few others against Blackburn. We have quite a mild and easy set of Championship teams, Durham, and Sunderland and Sheffield United in the group . Sheffield United we defeated last time 5-0 away including a hat-trick from superstar Daly.
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Finished 7 - 0
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67500489
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Brilliant result!
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Not sure how the groups are drawn and any seeding but looking at group B compared to all the others......
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Assume it is regionalised, as we always seem to get northern sides
We've definitely played Durham a fair few times.
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There does seem to be some regionalisation, Group B is both Manchester Clubs, both Liverpool clubs and Leicester. Blues seems to be in the London and Southern teams. They could have easily done us, Blues, Leicester and throw in Bristol to make the numbers up and is not far to travel compared to us having to go to Durham and Sunderland. But it seems we don't qualify as a region and so have to be split between north and south.
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I was going to go tonight, despite it involving a round trip from Stockton-on-Tees. However my niece cried off earlier, and I weighed up that the trip without her involvement wasn't worth it. So I've tried to watch it on my phone in the pub. Between assorted distractions and diversions I managed to miss 6 of the goals!
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Salmon really is smoking.
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Salmon really is smoking.
I guess you know a lot about smoking fish, kippa?
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Certainly do. Certainly relieved the tenchion.
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Looks like a good day out Sunday, for £12 watch the mens team in the warmth of the Lower Grounds surcharge free (the way it should be), then out for the women after.
Edit: If you have a Blue Light card there's a free ticket offer (https://bluelighttickets.co.uk/event/5331), even better. Some on HotUKDeals are reporting the offer's sold out. Not a card holder so can't confirm.
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Lost 2-1
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Lost 2-1
Deservedly, we were fucking awful, no cohesion in attack at all, just wave after wave of poor passes and mishit crosses everytime we got near their box. The only genuinely good balls in saw Daly score and Leon not quite have the legs (or speed of thought) to get to a tap in.
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We've become easy to play against. Dali can't hurt you if you make her have to play 70 yards from your goal if she wants the ball. And I don't know if there's other reasons but I can't see any tactical sense in starting Corsie before Staniforth.
Fullbacks continue to frustrate/anger.
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Oh my! What a scorcher from Turner against Man City 0-1
The goal
https://twitter.com/AVWFCOfficial/status/1733460191599861834?t=hIJTqffE2wSiaywhYFffmw&s=19
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What channel is it on?
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What channel is it on?
It's on Sky. Still winning. Not the men's level of domination, but we're well in it. Tactically we seem solid, and like with the men you've still got to beat a darn fine goalkeeper if you get through.
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What channel is it on?
Sky Sports 102 or Sky Max 106 if you don't have the sports package
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Man City equalise through Hemp 1-1
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Shit! 2-1 to Man City, Hemp scoring again
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The decision to not mark Lauren Hemp on the back post backfires again. 2-1
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The players all had the shits apparently. Do they train at Bodymoor?
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Don’t know how womens football is financed, is there a salary cap? Seems that we never fill a bench so that suggests the squad isn’t big enough…needed 2/3 more in summer surely…a competent right back would have been a start
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6 pointer for the ladies against Brighton tonight.
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Well matched game so far…streamed live on FA Player
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Decent half against a robust Brighton side. Their keeper's held everything.
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Best seen them play this season, good game
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Phew !!!
A 1-0 battering,,although Brighton carried a threat.
Dali is getting back to her best.
Leon is some find.
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A new signing
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/january/06/noelle-maritz-joins-villa-women-/
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They need 2 or 3, particularly defenders - an uplift at right back a particularly priority
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Daphne van Domselaar ranked 93 in the top 100 female footballers according to the Grauniad;
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2024/jan/09/the-100-best-female-footballers-in-the-world-2023 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2024/jan/09/the-100-best-female-footballers-in-the-world-2023)
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Rachel Daley is ranked at 31 by the boffins;
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2024/jan/09/the-100-best-female-footballers-in-the-world-2023 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2024/jan/09/the-100-best-female-footballers-in-the-world-2023)
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Rachel Daley is ranked at 31 by the boffins;
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2024/jan/09/the-100-best-female-footballers-in-the-world-2023 (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2024/jan/09/the-100-best-female-footballers-in-the-world-2023)
I'm guessing she won't want to stay after what's happened this season. I just don't know the situations at other clubs to know if there is a place for her.
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The quality on the FA player is awful.
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Should be 1-0 up!
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Must sign better defenders
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What a nightmare season after the positivity of the last one. The FA Cup was our last chance of a bit of joy.
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Fair play to Alisha Lehmann. On New Years day she visited my mates (severely disabled) son for his birthday . She spent an hour and a half with him, and brought him a shirt. She also makes a point of going over at every game he attends to say his/get a self etc
It absolutely made his day.,
A lovely human being that one
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What a nightmare season after the positivity of the last one. The FA Cup was our last chance of a bit of joy.
The manager must be starting to feel some pressure now
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What a nightmare season after the positivity of the last one. The FA Cup was our last chance of a bit of joy.
The manager must be starting to feel some pressure now
Who makes that decision on the women’s side?
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What a nightmare season after the positivity of the last one. The FA Cup was our last chance of a bit of joy.
The manager must be starting to feel some pressure now
Who makes that decision on the women’s side?
Heck ?
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My niece kidnapped me after the game, so I've only just got back in. Started brightly, then spent what must have been close to an hour in our own half. I thought our best spell of the game came in the period before Mayling's colossal brainfart, when we looked like we were about to get back in the game at any moment. And that was a joke of a penalty award to rub salt in.
We need new defenders, there's no getting away from that. And I very much question our 4-1-4-1 formation, which Ward seems wedded to. We look stale, nothing new to offer. And as with the men's game, you have to invest just to stand still. We haven't, and now we're going backwards at a fair old rate of knots.
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What a nightmare season after the positivity of the last one. The FA Cup was our last chance of a bit of joy.
The manager must be starting to feel some pressure now
Who makes that decision on the women’s side?
Heck ?
Heck is - I think - not involved in footballing decisions.
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What a nightmare season after the positivity of the last one. The FA Cup was our last chance of a bit of joy.
The manager must be starting to feel some pressure now
Who makes that decision on the women’s side?
Heck ?
Heck is - I think - not involved in footballing decisions.
The big Spanish bloke then who's name escapes me
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Damian Vidagany, Dir Football Ops ?
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Damian Vidagany, Dir Football Ops ?
That's the kiddy .
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That was a big disappointment, giving the ball away too easily, missplaced passes and a lack of any rhythm. Rachel Daly will get fed up of not having many scoring chances created for her. Outplayed by Everton.
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Our midfield was abysmal yesterday. Kenza & Stan consistently passed to the opposition, over hit passes or just ran into the nearest Everton player who dispossessed them. There was no outlet ball for our defenders, hence the game being played mainly in our half as we passed it from left to right and back again.On the odd occasion it got as far as Daly or Leon we did look dangerous. Unfortunately this was far too infrequent and then we concede 3 completely avoidable goals.
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One up at Leicester at half time with Rachel Daly scoring the goal.
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look the better team need a second
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They are so gonna mess this up…one chance they’ll equalise
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Tough at the end but should not have been with chances early second half
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Only watched the last ten minutes and what a nervous watch that was. One question:why on earth do we defend so deep? It muddies space in the box and offers no out ball.
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Big win for the ladies which makes the table look a bit more respectable.
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I'm at the game tonight. McPhee would've been proud of our third.
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I'm at the game tonight. McPhee would've been proud of our third.
It was nice.
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Just read that Noelle Maritz, playing for us tonight despite having played for Arsenal in the same competition this season?
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Just read that Noelle Maritz, playing for us tonight despite having played for Arsenal in the same competition this season?
Could we forfeit?
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Just read that Noelle Maritz, playing for us tonight despite having played for Arsenal in the same competition this season?
Could we forfeit?
No, it comes under multi-tasking.
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She was on the bench, did she get any minutes?
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Ended up 0-7.
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She was on the bench, did she get any minutes?
Whole of the second half according to Sky.
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Yep, one of three that came on at the start of the second half. Swings and roundabouts, but if they do nothing more than reverse the result and award the points to Sunderland rather than ourselves, manyoo get knocked out.
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The Mirror is reporting we had an ineligible player?
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Well they only had to look on here…we couldn’t wait to report it :-)
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Carla Ward can't get a break this season.
I don't know what the rules are, but unless they specifically say it's an expulsion offence I'd be very surprised if we were kicked out for it. Especially considering that it made very little difference to the group results.
When WHAM! did it against us and won, we got a replay out of it, but I think their player was only on for a few minutes?
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Rules state goes to an independent panel for a review so we won't know for a few days.
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Apparently the WHAM! lad played six minutes.
According to the gRauniad;
Redknapp said. "None us knew the kid had played, it was an honest mistake. There was a letter to the Gills saying he could play, but I did not expect to see him back. In racing parlance, interference took place but it did not affect the result. We're not talking Paolo Di Canio, we're talking Manny Omoyinmi, who's never been near the first team. I don't even know why I put him on."
Nice one, Harry! 8)
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Not a good precedent;
https://www.thefa.com/news/2014/jul/10/reading-women-removed-110714 (https://www.thefa.com/news/2014/jul/10/reading-women-removed-110714)
Maybe they could go!
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Reading won that match 8-1 with the player being on for the full 90. I suppose with Manure being out if points are changed, I can't see why they wouldn't kick us out.
Major fuckup from the club with whichever admin person is in charge of ensuring eligibility of players. Especially as these days, a quick internet search can show details like that.
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I put on the Chelsea match thread that we could expect to see KKH on Friday. A 10 second google search told me he played for Plymouth in round 3 so he can't. This is a proper admin error and we should accept any sanction we get.
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Not a good precedent;
https://www.thefa.com/news/2014/jul/10/reading-women-removed-110714 (https://www.thefa.com/news/2014/jul/10/reading-women-removed-110714)
Maybe they could go!
From that:
"- Reading WFC be fined £50."
You get more than that if you're the Dog and Duck in a pub league!
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If we broke the rules, then we have to face whatever punishment the laws state with a stiff upper lip...
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Just such a dumb piece of administration - infuriating
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I agree that admin should have known she was ineligible thing, but surely the player herself would have known she'd played for another team earlier in the competition!
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I agree that admin should have known she was ineligible thing, but surely the player herself would have known she'd played for another team earlier in the competition!
Giving too much credit to players?
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We deserve any punishment we get. 3 previous appearances including an Arsenal/Spurs derby a month ago, how both the club and player didn't know is just negligent.
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I agree that admin should have known she was ineligible thing, but surely the player herself would have known she'd played for another team earlier in the competition!
The players just want to play. There are plenty of staff around (or should be) to catch this kind of thing. Not been a good season on the women's side of the house.
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The buck for that would stop with the coach who signs the player and picks the team
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The buck for that would stop with the coach who signs the player and picks the team
Admin manager, not the coach.
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The buck for that would stop with the coach who signs the player and picks the team
Admin manager, not the coach.
Whoever is to blame Carla should still be very much aware.
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Remember when West Ham did this against us in the Milk Cup
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The buck for that would stop with the coach who signs the player and picks the team
Admin manager, not the coach.
Whoever is to blame Carla should still be very much aware.
I can more or less guarantee that the coach/manager has no idea if the appropriate forms have been sign, sent and filed. They would just assume that all was well and everything was in place for the player to play, or was ineligible.
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The player should have known they were cup-tied, it's hardly a new rule. The manager and coaches should have known, or at the very least double-checked with a new signing. And those doing the admin should have known. Even another player should probably have checked, That no one did at a professional club is piss poor.
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The player should have known they were cup-tied, it's hardly a new rule. The manager and coaches should have known, or at the very least double-checked with a new signing. And those doing the admin should have known. Even another player should probably have checked, That no one did at a professional club is piss poor.
'And those doing the admin should have known' - this, and it could cost them their job.
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It is stupid to be honest.
The season has been below expectations so far and the cup performances were a big positive. So if we've thrown it away in such a paltry fashion won't be very popular at the top.
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Amateur hour. Just ridiculous.
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Not acceptable at all. How hard is it to put a system in place for this?
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Beeb
The Football Association is investigating whether Aston Villa breached competition rules by fielding an ineligible player in the Women's League Cup.
Noelle Maritz came on at half-time in Villa's 7-0 thrashing of Sunderland on Wednesday with her side leading 3-0.
Maritz had made three appearances for Arsenal earlier in the competition before joining Villa in January.
The FA has referred the matter to an independent tribunal for consideration.
Villa are being investigating for "an alleged breach of Cup Rule 8.19".
Villa's win meant they topped Group A, ahead of Sunderland in second, and qualified for the quarter-finals, but their fate now depends on the decision of the tribunal.
In a similar case, Reading were removed from the 2014 League Cup and fined £50 after fielding Bonnie Horwood who had made three appearances for Watford earlier in the competition.
The five League Cup group winners progress to the knockout stage, alongside the best two second-placed sides, decided on a points-per-game basis.
Manchester United finished second in Group D, and their 2.25 points per game should qualify them for the knockout stage, with only Tottenham, who have a game remaining, able to better that tally.
However, should the result be awarded to Sunderland - and Villa not receive a harsher punishment - then Villa will be level on points-per-game with United but have a better goal difference, while Sunderland would win Group A.
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"Investigating". How hard could it be?
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"Investigating". How hard could it be?
Yup.
The Athletic I think quoted some rules that said they could come up with whatever action they liked, but could only not reverse the result if the ineligibility was down to late international clearance or something.
So if that's right, the very least that happens is the points get given to Sunderland.
"Subject to Rule 8.14.3, the Independent Tribunal may: (a) order that the cup match or cup matches be awarded to the opposition club; or (c) make any such other order that the Independent Tribunal may decide."
“The Independent Tribunal may determine not to order that the cup match be awarded to the opposition club only in circumstances where the ineligibility is due to the failure to obtain an International Transfer Certificate or where the ineligibility is related to the player’s status."
https://theathletic.com/5226656/2024/01/25/aston-villa-women-ineligible-player/ (https://theathletic.com/5226656/2024/01/25/aston-villa-women-ineligible-player/)
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The panel knows, but are probably looking at the impact of the player, time on the pitch etc. For the Reading example, she started the match and played the full 90 mins. With ours, she played the second half when we were already 3 up.
Then they will reach a decision. As the panel is made up of different members, they might not even do the Reading punishment as I'm sure the FA don't work on precedent but only on the case by case punishment. Although I still think that being kicked out will be the punishment.
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Aston Villa manager Carla Ward says it was a "horrible mistake" that led to a potential breach of the rules in the Women's League Cup by fielding an ineligible player.
The Football Association is investigating after Noelle Maritz played in the 7-0 win over Sunderland.
The Swiss defender played for Arsenal in earlier rounds before joining Villa.
"We need to take collective responsibility on how it's happened," said Ward.
"First and foremost as a club we understand there's been a horrible mistake quite honestly and there's been some internal conversations and investigations on how it's happened.
"We have to ensure we get the right processes in place so this doesn't happen again."
The quarter-final draw was due to be conducted live on the BBC on Friday, but has been postponed while the FA - which has referred the matter to an independent tribunal - conducts its investigation.
Barnsley were kicked out of the men's FA Cup for fielding an ineligible player in their first-round replay win at non-league Horsham in November.
Villa are being investigating for "an alleged breach of Cup Rule 8.19".
Wednesday's 7-0 win meant they topped Group A, ahead of Sunderland in second, and qualified for the quarter-finals, but their fate now depends on the decision of the tribunal.
In a similar case, Reading were removed from the 2014 League Cup and fined £50 after fielding Bonnie Horwood, who had made three appearances for Watford earlier in the competition.
The five League Cup group winners progress to the knockout stage, alongside the best two second-placed sides, decided on a points-per-game basis.
Manchester United finished second in Group D, and their 2.25 points per game should qualify them for the knockout stage, only bettered by Tottenham's 2.5 after they beat Southampton on Thursday.
However, should the result be awarded to Sunderland - and Villa not receive a harsher punishment - then Villa will be level on points-per-game with United but have a better goal difference, while Sunderland would win Group A.
Asked about the impact on Manchester United and his thoughts on the situation, manager Marc Skinner said on Friday: "All I understand so far is that things have gone to a tribunal to see the result. I think that's all we know.
"I actually don't think we have a say in it even though it can directly affect us. I will just reiterate what I said the other night in that I hope the right decision is made and it's not to the detriment of Manchester United.
"We did everything we can to qualify from the most difficult group and I feel hopefully the right decision is made and doesn't scold Manchester United."
This latest situation with Villa comes after Arsenal's 2-1 win over Everton in the Women's Super League was the only game in that division not broadcast live on TV due to a scheduling error.
Asked how damaging these mistakes are given the spotlight on women's football, Ward added: "Yeah. Look, there's no hiding away from those little bits you've mentioned. Of course we want to grow the women's game.
"Of course mistakes don't help but listen, mistakes are made by human beings. Human beings work in the men's game too so it's not isolated to the women's game but like you said, it's about continuing to grow the game.
"I've talked about it a number of times - about building structures and infrastructure and making sure all the women's game is growing in the right way."
Aston Villa travel to Manchester United in their next match in the WSL on Sunday (12:00 GMT kick-off).
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Whatever the outcome someone needs sacking.
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1-0 down, available on FA Player if you can bare to tear yourself away from Boilers vs Scratchings on ITV.
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2-0 HT
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On the evidence of first half stick to the FA Cup game
Summer shopping list has to be centre halves who are stronger in the challenge, quicker and better on the ball…not a lot to ask for :-)
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2-1 now - stopped paying attention to this one whilst watching the restless natives.
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Villa played some lovely football, but couldn’t hit the back of the net, while gifting Man U their two goals in their first two real attacks.
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Through to the quarter finals! And boo-sucks to you Man United! 8)
https://womensleagues.thefa.com/statement-sunderland-v-aston-villa/ (https://womensleagues.thefa.com/statement-sunderland-v-aston-villa/)
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Through to the quarter finals! And boo-sucks to you Man United! 8)
https://womensleagues.thefa.com/statement-sunderland-v-aston-villa/ (https://womensleagues.thefa.com/statement-sunderland-v-aston-villa/)
😂😂😂
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We undeservedly got away with complete incompetence.
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I wonder what that twerp Marc Skinner will have to say?
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Through to the quarter finals! And boo-sucks to you Man United! 8)
https://womensleagues.thefa.com/statement-sunderland-v-aston-villa/ (https://womensleagues.thefa.com/statement-sunderland-v-aston-villa/)
Common sense has prevailed.
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Manchester City have made a bid to sign Aston Villa midfielder Laura Blindkilde Brown
Offered around £200K
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Would be extremely disappointed to see her leave. We should be developing players like her, rather than signing players who have long since peaked such as Nobbs and Staniforth.....and don't get me started on Leon!!
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Manchester City have made a bid to sign Aston Villa midfielder Laura Blindkilde Brown
Offered around £200K
That seems like a good deal if they can use the money to get a couple of decent centre backs…she obv has talent but at the moment is still lightweight so is decent without really excelling enough to be a huge miss right now.
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Through to the quarter finals! And boo-sucks to you Man United! 8)
https://womensleagues.thefa.com/statement-sunderland-v-aston-villa/ (https://womensleagues.thefa.com/statement-sunderland-v-aston-villa/)
I would kind of feel for them if it wasn't ManU & their arrogance.
And it's not like the ManU women's team is or has been anything special, so that has 'Steven Gerrard Villa manager, look me in the eye, levels of arrogance".
What does "Considering our options" even mean?
Deciding what to do on the day they no longer have a game in the cup for? Paintball? Manicure?
The options are unlimited to consider...
If it wasn't ManU on the shitty end of the stick, I would say that it is very harsh on the team knocked out.
But then again, we lost the 3 points for the game she played in, so is that enough punishment?
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They could have fixed it by just qualifying as of right.
No sympathy for them…
Their manager will be gobbing off because he knows he is on the verge of the sack
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Brighton away in the quarters.
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Manchester City have made a bid to sign Aston Villa midfielder Laura Blindkilde Brown
Offered around £200K
That seems like a good deal if they can use the money to get a couple of decent centre backs…she obv has talent but at the moment is still lightweight so is decent without really excelling enough to be a huge miss right now.
She is so lightweight, she gets bullied off the ball all the time which is frustrating to watch as she clearly has some ability.
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LBB has just turned 20. She's on her way to being a very good player. With the trickle-down-the-pecking-order nature of WSL transfers, I can't see us replacing her with better before next season kicks off. I'm having trouble seeing this as anything other than a backward step. We need youth, we've got to have the oldest side in the division. Daly 32, Leon 31, Dali 32, Nobbs 31, Staniforth 31, Turner 32, Corsie 34. It's little wonder we're not improving.
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LBB has just turned 20. She's on her way to being a very good player. With the trickle-down-the-pecking-order nature of WSL transfers, I can't see us replacing her with better before next season kicks off. I'm having trouble seeing this as anything other than a backward step. We need youth, we've got to have the oldest side in the division. Daly 32, Leon 31, Dali 32, Knobbs 31, Staniforth 31, Turner 32, Corsie 34. It's little wonder we're not improving.
You're definitely right there LFS, I'm not sure what they're playing at.
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Seems like it was a release fee clause being triggered
The fact (unless there is a late announcement) that they haven’t even added a loan player to replace suggests they’ve maybe given up on this season and perhaps this coach come summer?
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LBB has just turned 20. She's on her way to being a very good player. With the trickle-down-the-pecking-order nature of WSL transfers, I can't see us replacing her with better before next season kicks off. I'm having trouble seeing this as anything other than a backward step. We need youth, we've got to have the oldest side in the division. Daly 32, Leon 31, Dali 32, Nobbs 31, Staniforth 31, Turner 32, Corsie 34. It's little wonder we're not improving.
Absolutely spot on; we'll probably spend the money on two 35yo centre-backs! Extremely upset to see Laura go.
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AVWFC announce a loan signing - Miri Taylor from Liverpool
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/february/01/villa-women-announce-taylor-signing/
Aston Villa Women are pleased to announce the loan signing of Miri Taylor.
The midfielder joins Villa from Liverpool for the remainder of the season and becomes Carla Ward’s second addition of the January transfer window.
The deal is subject to FA approval.
Taylor made her senior debut with Chelsea the age of 16 and has more recently played for Angel City in the NWSL.
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The deal is subject to FA approval
They’ll be sweating on the admin actually being done correctly this week :-)
Staniforth out indefinitely too so that’s Staniforth, Parker and Blinkilde-Brown for the new one to replace in midfield…going to be some half empty benches for rest of season
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The deal is subject to FA approval
They’ll be sweating on the admin actually being done correctly this week :-)
Staniforth out indefinitely too so that’s Staniforth, Parker and Blinkilde-Brown for the new one to replace in midfield…going to be some half empty benches for rest of season
Again!
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The deal is subject to FA approval
They’ll be sweating on the admin actually being done correctly this week :-)
Staniforth out indefinitely too so that’s Staniforth, Parker and Blinkilde-Brown for the new one to replace in midfield…going to be some half empty benches for rest of season
Ward has said she can play in a number of positions...
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The deal is subject to FA approval
They’ll be sweating on the admin actually being done correctly this week :-)
Staniforth out indefinitely too so that’s Staniforth, Parker and Blinkilde-Brown for the new one to replace in midfield…going to be some half empty benches for rest of season
Ward has said she can play in a number of positions...
All at once, I hope! ;D
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From the warm-up, I reckon Maritz at centre-half, Corsie in midfield
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1-1 after 18 mins…lovely goal by Nobbs…horrific centre half distribution for their equaliser.
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I've managed to get to this one and I'm not worried as we are dominating them but their goal, one meaningful attack, just goes to show how poor our defence is.
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2-1 now
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Playing some nice stuff
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2-2
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Woeful passing ,movement and shooting
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Yeah, some terrible shooting.
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Some of the build up passing was very good, crossing and shooting was abysmal. Should have won that at a canter.
Definitely need a coaching change in the summer
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Their second was a bit of a stunner, but we should've had it put to bed well before then. Unless she was hiding her fatigue I can't fathom Leon's substitution. And as much as I love the woman pencilled in for the role of the second Mrs LFS, Dali doesn't look like playing herself back into pre-World Cup form any time soon, if ever. That was disappointing today.
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We are just awful in defence. They had two meaningful attacks and scored, each time from us passing them the ball from the edge of our area.
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Their second was a bit of a stunner, but we should've had it put to bed well before then. Unless she was hiding her fatigue I can't fathom Leon's substitution. And as much as I love the woman pencilled in for the role of the second Mrs LFS, Dali doesn't look like playing herself back into pre-World Cup form any time soon, if ever. That was disappointing today.
Exactly what we said, Leon was dangerous.
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Their second was a bit of a stunner, but we should've had it put to bed well before then. Unless she was hiding her fatigue I can't fathom Leon's substitution. And as much as I love the woman pencilled in for the role of the second Mrs LFS, Dali doesn't look like playing herself back into pre-World Cup form any time soon, if ever. That was disappointing today.
Exactly what we said, Leon was dangerous.
Thought it was the most involved Dali has been since the world cup but there was very little end product. Leon was the most dangerous attacker even though she was firing crosses over the top of everyone constantly….reality is the one who should have been hooked was Daly
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Quite an achievement (not in a good way) to have thirty-six attempts at goal and still not win!
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Oh dear! rachel has been a naughty girl - 3 game ban for an incident not seen by the referee
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68228147
Aston Villa striker Rachel Daly has received a three-match ban from the Football Association for violent conduct during her side's match against Bristol City on Saturday.
Daly, 32, appeared to elbow Robins defender Megan Connolly in the face in the 39th minute of the 2-2 draw.
The incident was not picked up by match officials at the time but was caught on television cameras.
England international Daly has admitted the charge and accepted the punishment.
Connolly went down after the incident, which took place off the ball in the Bristol City penalty area, but there is no video assistant referee in the Women's Super League which meant Daly was not shown a card or reprimanded on the field.
A three-match ban is the automatic penalty for violent conduct.
Daly will miss Villa's League Cup quarter-final against Brighton on Wednesday as well as their WSL matches against Tottenham and Liverpool.
Her 22 WSL goals last season earned her the Golden Boot and she is Villa's top goalscorer this season with six WSL goals.
Carla Ward's side sit eighth in the league after a difficult start to the season.
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Can't argue with that, frustrating as it is.
3 game bans in a 22 game season, though... ouch.
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I might be missing something - though this feels like a player being 'cited' after the game based on video evidence. That works well in my view in Rugby (Union).
Though I didn't think it happened in the men's professional game. Otherwise there would be a clamour after every game to get players punished and suspended for tackles, simulation, etc.
Or does it happen, just not to any high profile players or clubs in the men's game?
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I might be missing something - though this feels like a player being 'cited' after the game based on video evidence. That works well in my view in Rugby (Union).
Though I didn't think it happened in the men's professional game. Otherwise there would be a clamour after every game to get players punished and suspended for tackles, simulation, etc.
Or does it happen, just not to any high profile players or clubs in the men's game?
It does happn but very rarely.
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I might be missing something - though this feels like a player being 'cited' after the game based on video evidence. That works well in my view in Rugby (Union).
Though I didn't think it happened in the men's professional game. Otherwise there would be a clamour after every game to get players punished and suspended for tackles, simulation, etc.
Or does it happen, just not to any high profile players or clubs in the men's game?
It used to happen. Basically, if they did anything violent they would look at it after the game. If the referee saw it then they left it as it was, but if the referee hadn't seen it then they would look to act.
Basically, any violent conduct the referee saw and had the opportunity to act upon is ignored, but anything that has been done sneakily can be punished.
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The rule before VAR was that if the referee had missed an act worthy of a red card, then it could be reviewed by the FA afterwards and a punishment handed out accordingly.
https://help.thefa.com/support/solutions/articles/7000039299-how-does-the-fa-decide-whether-to-retrospectively-charge-a-player-for-an-incident-not-seen-by-the-m
If they had seen it, then in almost all circumstances no further action was taken. Now I guess, VAR is supposed to review anything like that during the game, and alert the match officials.
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OK, thanks paul_e, Dogtanian, and Risso.
We have VAR >:( and the prospect of a letter from the PGMOL when they get it wrong! UTV
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Obviously a big player in the team but she has been quiet in recent games so a break and an opportunity for Salmon or Magill to get a few starts might might work out
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Their second was a bit of a stunner, but we should've had it put to bed well before then. Unless she was hiding her fatigue I can't fathom Leon's substitution. And as much as I love the woman pencilled in for the role of the second Mrs LFS, Dali doesn't look like playing herself back into pre-World Cup form any time soon, if ever. That was disappointing today.
Exactly what we said, Leon was dangerous.
Thought it was the most involved Dali has been since the world cup but there was very little end product. Leon was the most dangerous attacker even though she was firing crosses over the top of everyone constantly….reality is the one who should have been hooked was Daly
I can't question her commitment or effort, I think she covered every blade of grass in her efforts to get on the ball. But it's that end product, it's not happening. I doubt she found Daly successfully much more than once or twice, which is hardly surprising given how far apart they seem to find themselves most of the time.
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OK, thanks paul_e, Dogtanian, and Risso.
We have VAR >:( and the prospect of a letter from the PGMOL when they get it wrong! UTV
Even with VAR, red cards can still be overturned, just look at Everton the other month. Whether retrospective ones can still be given if missed by both the Ref and VAR we haven't found out yet. But VAR is supposed to be the instant action of the same post match process which have caused quite a lot of players to be carded a couple of days later. (Unless their name was Alan Shearer and threatened to walk out of the 98 England Squad if he was post-match judged for booting Lennon in the face).
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A couple of decent saves but only 2 going in out of 8 is really poor. Good to be in a semi!
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Watched extra time & pens
Gr8 keeping from both in pens.
Let’s hope no admin was fecked up this time.
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The 2023-24 FA Women’s Continental Tyres League Cup semi-final draw will be broadcast live on BBC News at 6.30pm on Friday 9 February 2024.
The draw will be carried out by three-time winner of the competition and former Manchester City, Manchester United and England defender Abbie McManus, and will be conducted during BBC News’ SportsDay show.
The draw numbers are as follows:
1. Chelsea
2. Manchester City
3. Aston Villa
4. Arsenal or London City Lionesses
The semi-finals will be played across Wednesday 6 and Thursday 7 March, while the Final itself will be played on Sunday 31 March 2024 at Wolverhampton Wanderers’ Molineux Stadium, (Kick-off at 3pm)
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I forecast us to go out in the Semi and not go any further now as it's the best teams left and London lioness who won't go through and us. Unfortunately can't see anything but a defeat. Even if I forecast incorrect and get to the final how are we to break the dominance?
The quality is different level.
And for context.
Arsenal Man City and Chelsea are the only clubs to have won the
FA Women's Continental Tyres League Cup.
No other team has won this competition since it started in 2011.
Basically it's dominated by the big girls.
2011 Arsenal
2012 Arsenal
2013 Arsenal
2014 Man City
2015 Arsenal
2016 Man City
2017 -18 Arsenal
2018 -19 Man City
2019 -20 Chelsea
2020-21 Chelsea
2021-22 Man City
2022-23 Arsenal
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Away at London City Lionesses or Arsenal.
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Tottenham Hotspur Women v Aston Villa Women - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68266274
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Played well, good win…great hit from Nobbs for the winner
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Excellent! I shall be wearing a Villa t-shirt tonight when I visit my Spudz supporting mate who hails from Leicester and fully enjoy taking the mick twice for the win and then the fact he doesn't know about it
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In a strange way, the absence of Daly actually gave us a better shape. It gave Leon the chance to play more centrally, Nobbs had probably her best game for us, and we dominated the majority of the match.
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Well done ladies very good win, will watch MOTD tonight.
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Great win, well done ladies.
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Lehman scored against Poland and Daly came on as sub and scored against Austria over the weekend.
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Adriana Leon with a hat trick for Canada vs Paraguay.
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Rachel Daly came off the bench and scored the last goal in England's 5-1 win over Italy, she still has the Liverpool WSL match on Sunday to serve her 3 match ban, then returns for the cup match away to Arsenal, thankfully.
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For the second match on the trot. Seems they just prefer her as backup striker then makeshift left-back starter now.
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Goals here, first few are quite comical.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/68419977
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In a strange way, the absence of Daly actually gave us a better shape. It gave Leon the chance to play more centrally, Nobbs had probably her best game for us, and we dominated the majority of the match.
It's odd how often that works in football. I've gone from being a bit all doom and gloom about her absence now and possible itchy feet in the summer, to being quite upbeat that we're having to find a more rounded style of play. I'm very much looking forward to Sunday.
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That'll learn me to be optimistic, that was shiiiiite. No pattern, no urgency, slow and predictable.
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Ward needs the boot
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That'll learn me to be optimistic, that was shiiiiite. No pattern, no urgency, slow and predictable.
Yeah, I don't see a 'plan' at all when I watch us.
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In a strange way, the absence of Daly actually gave us a better shape. It gave Leon the chance to play more centrally, Nobbs had probably her best game for us, and we dominated the majority of the match.
It's odd how often that works in football. I've gone from being a bit all doom and gloom about her absence now and possible itchy feet in the summer, to being quite upbeat that we're having to find a more rounded style of play. I'm very much looking forward to Sunday.
That 'looking forward' was short-lived, eh. Very disappointing performance. Sloppy defending, and poor crosses into the box, were our prime downfall.
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Thankfully Rachel is back for the next match, Arsenal away in the cup on Wednesday.
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Be interesting to see what happens in the summer, big decision on whether to stick with Ward or go elsewhere, defensive record has been awful this season, obv invested a lot in a class keeper but the record shows how poor the defence have been. Parker has been a big miss, she looked v good in her appearances. Suspect also be a decision to be made by and around Daly…if we aren’t prepared to invest to compete she may find options in the clubs above
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If we can get one last pay day from selling Daly, I would take it. She is will be 33 before the year is out. I'm not sure on the normal finishing ages for women's football but I suspect she is close to it.
We also missed Leon in this match who did a good job of filling Daly's boots when she was missing.
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Terrible start vs Arsenal 2 down in less than a quarter of an hour, this could be an absolute hammering….dreadful defending, standard from an awful back four
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Looks like we’re going for a ‘Sheffield United.’
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Yeah, this isn't surprising.
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And it’s 4
More amateur defending. Obv missing Parker & Staniforth but no excuse for not challenging players
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I know we're not blessed squad-wise, but we're really into 'definition of insanity' territory lately. Fucking desperate.
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The ignominy of their fans singing 'are you Sheffield in disguise?'.
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The ignominy of their fans singing 'are you Sheffield in disguise?'.
The ignominy of an Arsenal fan actually singing is worse
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The ignominy of their fans singing 'are you Sheffield in disguise?'.
The ignominy of an Arsenal fan actually singing is worse
Well, yes!
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I forecast us to go out in the Semi and not go any further now as it's the best teams left and London lioness who won't go through and us. Unfortunately can't see anything but a defeat. Even if I forecast incorrect and get to the final how are we to break the dominance?
The quality is different level.
And for context.
Arsenal Man City and Chelsea are the only clubs to have won the
FA Women's Continental Tyres League Cup.
No other team has won this competition since it started in 2011.
Basically it's dominated by the big girls.
2011 Arsenal
2012 Arsenal
2013 Arsenal
2014 Man City
2015 Arsenal
2016 Man City
2017 -18 Arsenal
2018 -19 Man City
2019 -20 Chelsea
2020-21 Chelsea
2021-22 Man City
2022-23 Arsenal
Insight and forecast correct.
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So it is insight to work out that we might lose to one of the most successful teams in Women's football. Wow.
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Not that difficult to work out, Footy ;)
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Daphne van Domselaar: Arsenal interested in signing Aston Villa goalkeeper in summer (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68540663)
By Emma Sanders
BBC Sport
Arsenal are interested in signing Aston Villa goalkeeper Daphne van Domselaar in the summer transfer window.
The Netherlands international, 24, joined Villa in June on a three-year deal in a free transfer from FC Twente.
Villa fought off interest from several Women's Super League (WSL) clubs, including Arsenal, who it is understood also wanted to sign her in January.
Van Domselaar, who has started 14 of Villa's 15 WSL games this season, has a release clause of about £200,000.
She impressed at Euro 2022 and was part of the Netherlands squad for last summer's Women's World Cup.
Villa bought her as a replacement for former number one Hannah Hampton following her free transfer to Chelsea in July.
They lost midfielder Laura Blindkilde Brown, 20, to Manchester City on deadline day in January after they paid the £200,000 release clause in her contract.
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Not a shock, she isn’t going to want to play behind that defence for another season…she’s been pretty good but I’d imagine she is a high earner to be shipping 3 or 4 goals every week
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In the women's game, it is strange how fast they change clubs (especially at the lower ends of the table).
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DVD out injured today, as is Hanson. On the plus side, Leon is back. Expect to see her wedged in on the left flank, then.
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This is more like it.
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Two up at Everton (who've already beaten us twice this season, league & Cup). Dali with a bobbler from the edge of the box in to the bottom corner for our first, Salmon with a mini-Watkins guided header in to the back post from Nobbs' whipped-in near-post cross. A quarter of the game to go.
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Held on despite Everton pulling one back. Important win as they try and finish in the top half.
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Just back from watching paint dry. To be honest it was awful. Take Leet, Daly, and nobbs out of it the rest would be beaten by an under 10 boys team.
Then you had the drums cringe !
Even more cringe Everton selling a paperback (yes selling) of Everton women teams songs
Villa fans sorry again plenty of woolfie wannabes
The only positive for me was I was on freeby
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Aston Villa goalkeeper Daphne van Domselaar has been ruled out for the remainder of the Women's Super League season after having hip surgery.
Van Domselaar, 24, suffered the injury prior to Villa's League Cup exit against Arsenal two weeks ago.
The Netherlands keeper will begin rehabilitation immediately and is expected to be fit for next season.
She joined Villa from Twente on a free transfer this season and has made 15 league appearances.
Arsenal are interested in signing Van Domselaar, who a release clause of about £200,000, for next season, having been beaten to her signature by Villa.
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Well Leat will get the rest of the season to make her case for being number 1 next season….entire back line needs a reboot for next season if the club are interested in pushing the women’s team on….
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1-0 nil Villa
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first attack as well
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With the front two we're playing, I don't know why we're trying to play it into their feet. Arsenal are leaving acres behind their fullbacks, we should be playing Salmon and Leon into those spaces.
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What a Pelova.
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Defensively sooooooo poor….playing around with it at the back when some of them are incapable of it is stupid…we’ve been Arsenals most creative player on that pitch
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Arsenal are leaving acres behind their fullbacks, we should be playing Salmon and Leon into those spaces.
Have Arsenal been a bit lax in defence?
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All Arsenal for the last 30 mins. Dont think we have had one attack in the second half. 3,000 Arsenal fans travelled. Fair play to them.
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We are absolute shite. No shape or structure to them at all. Several thinking that picking up and opponent is below them.
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Blues nose needs to be sacked.
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Offside AND handball for Arsenal's third.
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1-3 now although that last one should've been disallowed.
Mind you it should be more like 1-13.
We scored off out only shot all game. They have had getting on for 40 shots!
The Villa keeper has had a great second half, despite the score.
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Offside AND handball for Arsenal's third.
Announce VAR to WSL
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Villa one shot. Arsenal 37.
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Offside AND handball for Arsenal's third.
Yup, agreed but with all their shots it would have only been one result.
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You make your own luck in football. It doesn't matter how many shots the opposition get in on goal, don't make such stupid, basic mistakes, be more organised, close them down, mark your opposition. Too many hiding for Villa, midfield was non-existent. Arsenal are decent but only because we stood off them. The Villa side is without and kind of shape.
Ward needs to say goodbye.
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We must have had more touches in our own than third than arsenal, and anywhere else on the pitch.
The fucking around at the back, and backwards passing was laughable at time.
We looked like a team absolutely shit scared of having the ball.
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Thought our keeper had an incredible game some great saves , just her distribution a bit suspect but clearly under instructions to play out from the back .
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Nothing comes naturally. Watching one or two of them this evening had me thinking that they're being coached in failure, to be in a constant state of readiness for Mr Fuckup's inevitable arrival. As an example, first half, McCabe had the ball and Daly moved to close her down. The Daly of last season would've been across at full pelt before slamming into McCabe. The Daly of this season checked over her right shoulder and decided the best course of action was to do no more than fill the space so McCabe couldn't progress too far forward in the hour she now had on the ball.
We're so fucking passive. Last season was all about high risk, high reward. We conceded loads, but we scored for fucking fun. The supply line of Lehmann, Hanson, Dali and Nobbs provided 40 goal contributions with 21 goals and 19 assists. Dali's goal against Everton last time out puts this season's current goal contributions from the same four players at 5.
There's been much chat amongst supporters' groups about how to go about trying to generate a bit more atmosphere, bringing the noise like the visitors from the top four do when they rock up. There's no chance whilst things stay how they are. We've been under the cosh and on the back foot at home from the very first whistle of the season. We've amassed 4 (four) points at home. One win, 1-0 over Brighton, one draw, 2 each against the doomed Bristol City. It's reminiscent of trying to get enthusiastic under Turner.
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It's really hard to follow women's football when it's played as it was in that game yesterday.
I honestly don't know what they practice in training, because that was an example of just kick it in the general direction of another claret shirt and hope.
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It's really hard to follow women's football when it's played as it was in that game yesterday.
I honestly don't know what they practice in training, because that was an example of just kick it in the general direction of another claret shirt and hope.
Agreed. It's obviously come on a fair bit in recent years, but you still don't feel like you're really watching a fully developed product.
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The development of the Women's team seems to have stalled this year. I’d make the following observations
1) Purslow going and executive focus is elsewhere
2) Did we over achieve in 22/23?
3) Is Ward up to it?
4) was player recruitment good enough? (Maybe linked to 1 above?)
Generally we’re probably good enough for 5th to 7th with Liverpool, Everton and Spurs as peer clubs but how do you close the gap?
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The development of the Women's team seems to have stalled this year. I’d make the following observations
1) Purslow going and executive focus is elsewhere
2) Did we over achieve in 22/23?
3) Is Ward up to it?
4) was player recruitment good enough? (Maybe linked to 1 above?)
Generally we’re probably good enough for 5th to 7th with Liverpool, Everton and Spurs as peer clubs but how do you close the gap?
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The current top three, and what must be said is a currently underperforming manyoo, are different gravy to the rest of the sides. I do think though that as the game itself and those watching and inspired to play all mature and steadily feed through, things will improve. The ethnic composition of all the sides is quite telling of where the game still remains developmentally.
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The supply line of Lehmann, Hanson, Dali and Nobbs provided 40 goal contributions with 21 goals and 19 assists. Dali's goal against Everton last time out puts this season's current goal contributions from the same four players at 5.
Really? That's a shocking drop-off. Presumably Rachel Daly has had to pick-up some of that slack.
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The supply line of Lehmann, Hanson, Dali and Nobbs provided 40 goal contributions with 21 goals and 19 assists. Dali's goal against Everton last time out puts this season's current goal contributions from the same four players at 5.
Really? That's a shocking drop-off. Presumably Rachel Daly has had to pick-up some of that slack.
Of late she seems to have undergone a Kane style transformation into a number 9½ where she drops off to link up and create chances instead for, errr, nobody. Even then she's probably still registering fewer than a dozen touches a game. Quite sad to watch, really. She's a great player.
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Sounds ominous that we will lose our best players like her. She's good enough to play for a team in Europe.
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Daly probably had one last "big" money move in her. So I don't begrudge her if she does.
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The supply line of Lehmann, Hanson, Dali and Nobbs provided 40 goal contributions with 21 goals and 19 assists. Dali's goal against Everton last time out puts this season's current goal contributions from the same four players at 5.
Really? That's a shocking drop-off. Presumably Rachel Daly has had to pick-up some of that slack.
i watched the 2nd half from about 60 mins and Daly was playing almost as a DM they were that deep.
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Dali is the one who seems to have fallen off the most..she has contributed soo little, particularly since the WC….but she seems to stay on for the whole game which feels sentimental on Wards behalf.
Recruitment has been poor, the fact they haven’t signed anyone who hasn’t already played in WSL suggests they aren’t exactly casting net very wide
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Leon looks a decent player to me.
They need better players at the back who are more comfortable on the ball.
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Dali is the one who seems to have fallen off the most..she has contributed soo little, particularly since the WC….but she seems to stay on for the whole game which feels sentimental on Wards behalf.
Recruitment has been poor, the fact they haven’t signed anyone who hasn’t already played in WSL suggests they aren’t exactly casting net very wide
From what I've watched recently Dali doesn't look as comfortable in her running as she was last season. I don't know what the injury was at the world cup but 3 months out doesn't suggest anything career threatening but from watching her she just seems off in how she's moving, like she's scared or compensating for something. She's the big difference for me, she wasexceptional last season.
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Dali is the one who seems to have fallen off the most..she has contributed soo little, particularly since the WC….but she seems to stay on for the whole game which feels sentimental on Wards behalf.
Recruitment has been poor, the fact they haven’t signed anyone who hasn’t already played in WSL suggests they aren’t exactly casting net very wide
From what I've watched recently Dali doesn't look as comfortable in her running as she was last season. I don't know what the injury was at the world cup but 3 months out doesn't suggest anything career threatening but from watching her she just seems off in how she's moving, like she's scared or compensating for something. She's the big difference for me, she wasexceptional last season.
The last couple of times I have seen her in the flesh, her decision making and execution was terrible. Like you say, she was exceptional last season, but this season I have not been impressed at all.
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I think the thing with Dali is if she doesn't see Rachel Daly ahead of her making a run she doesn't know what to do. So Daly playing much deeper has an effect on how whole team performs. IMHO.
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Anna Patten called up by Ireland. https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/march/28/anna-patten-to-represent-republic-of-ireland/
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Anyone else struggling to get the game on the FA player?
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Lehmann booked for flicking an eyelash at the referee.
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Just tuned in to see Villa's defence acting like Fred Karno's Circus
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2-2 super Rach
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Rachel Daly announces her International retirement
https://twitter.com/AVWFCOfficial/status/1777987886622589293?t=fmF9NFhEZ3wDSKjEC4AMeA&s=19
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Don't blame her being as she is being ignored even as makeshift LB now and especially in her favoured striker position. 2-0 up against Ireland from the 12th minute and she is put on for 4 minutes.
I also expect her to go for one more cash making move this summer.
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Rachel Daly announces her International retirement
https://twitter.com/AVWFCOfficial/status/1777987886622589293?t=fmF9NFhEZ3wDSKjEC4AMeA&s=19
It's clear that Russo is the favoured striker and Daly certainly doesn't need the aggro of travelling as a reserve at this stage of her career.
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Rachel Daly announces her International retirement
https://twitter.com/AVWFCOfficial/status/1777987886622589293?t=fmF9NFhEZ3wDSKjEC4AMeA&s=19
It's clear that Russo is the favoured striker and Daly certainly doesn't need the aggro of travelling as a reserve at this stage of her career.
Ultimately I can't quite believe how little last seasons golden boot winner hasn't been used as a striker.
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Rachel Daly announces her International retirement
https://twitter.com/AVWFCOfficial/status/1777987886622589293?t=fmF9NFhEZ3wDSKjEC4AMeA&s=19
It's clear that Russo is the favoured striker and Daly certainly doesn't need the aggro of travelling as a reserve at this stage of her career.
Ultimately I can't quite believe how little last seasons golden boot winner hasn't been used as a striker.
You cant, I can't, and I reckon she can't.
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Could be a real beating against Chelsea this evening.
Forecast 4-1
Hannah Hampton in goal for them.
Live on sky sports.
Chelsea’s Emma Hayes went down in my estimate when she pushed Arsenal manager and justified it saying she didn't like ‘male aggression’ . She's off at end of season and seems want to do as she likes.
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Leat sent off for making a save outside her area already. :-\
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Poor is the replacement… on for Salmon.
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What a wonderful start.
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This is in
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What a terrible start. Albeit slightly comical.
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Fcukin knobs greedy git.
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Salvadore Dali looks good.
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There it is. 1-0
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1-0 Chelsea a beever scored.
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I could’ve saved that.
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Never going to get anything out of this game….but down to 10 and 3rd choice keeper on this last hour could be carnage
Need season to end.
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It’s not happened this season. Will be an interesting summer.
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3-0
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Right, best be off back down to VP again. See how our 17yo keeper gets on today. Be nice to see a second home win of the season.
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1-1Spam with a 95th min equaliser
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Absolute wounder. We'd protected the keeper quite well, might well have scored earlier and more if we'd chanced a few more shots, and were well worth our lead when Lehmann scored with her first touch after coming on. Good to see Hanson back. Dali got booked for taking too long with a free kick in stoppage time, ref added more on to compensate, and they scored with a downward header in the 5th added minute of 4 which 17yo Sophia Poor got down to, but it squirmed through her and over the line. She'd done alright too, punched one she maybe should have caught, but otherwise she looks a decent prospect. Far more composed than I ever was at that age!
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Ward stepping down.
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I'm glad, I think we need a change. Who knows if the grass will be greener? But I do want to find out.
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I got the impression from that interview a few weeks back that she’s Sheffield based and it was really difficult seeing her daughter often enough. While this season hasn’t been good enough she’s got us established as a WSL team so fair play to her for that.
I was also interested that she reports into Monchi and Vidagnay, I wonder if that will continue or maybe change as well.
Wonder how big they’re going to go on her replacement?
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Probs my the right time, Carla has done a great job getting us to where we are but this season has been a damp squib compared to last year.
Club have to decide where they want the women’s team to go…if they want to compete then it needs a top coach and a few top players incoming…defensively this side has struggled and needs an update, big style
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Villa winning one -nil against bottom club Brighton. Lehman with her 2nd goal in 2 games.
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Villa winning one -nil against bottom club Brighton. Lehman with her 2nd goal in 2 games.
Bristol are bottom
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Villa winning one -nil against bottom club Brighton. Lehman with her 2nd goal in 2 games.
Bristol are bottom
My mistake. However it means we do have 7th spot all to ourselves now.
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Alisha's on fire! Well done ladies
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Done a double! Quite an achievement in a season with one home win so far.
Seems we strike a similar terror into the BHA women's side's hearts as we do the men's. They've beaten us only twice in the top division, and 2023 saw a game where we put 6 past them.
It was good to see Parker on the pitch, it made me think we would've been a lot more resilient if we'd had a midfield of two Lucys all season. And I'm chuffed for Lehmann with her 2 in 2, I think she cops for a lot of unfair criticism and she's been underutilised this season. Leat too, very good game.
It was my niece's first away yesterday. We had an ace day from the 8am start until the midnight drop-off back at her mom's. And by jove, I think she's finally got it: football<Aston Villa.
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And it's all gone quiet, all gone quiet, all gone quiet over there!
Villa reject on.
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For anyone interested our game is live on iplayer, just click the link and then clich "watch live"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/c84zk14lzkpt#player
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0-1
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Losing
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Abucity need to win by 4/5 to cl in nch the title as Chelscum are winning 2-0.
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Fowlers always score against us.
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Chelsea 4 up at the Theatre of Streams, Man City need a shedload second half.
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Chelsea with a third and fourth at the death of the first half to leave citeh needing another 6.
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Villa are so poor on the ball.
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1-1 Daly good goal.
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Where's your title gone, where's your title gone.
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Just rewound on iPlayer as I’d popped off to do something else and missed the goal, really well taken - glad there’s no VAR as that was very tight!
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1-2
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Carla Ward's last match, would like to thank her for her 3 years service, we are now an established WSL club and I wish her all the best for the future.
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Be great to go out and get someone who can take us to the next level, not that we are established.
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New manager's target: please make a better start next season.
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New manager's target: please make a better start next season.
Yep, something to set the tone like the beating of today's opponents on the opening day of 22/23.
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"Dan" Turner won goal of the season.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/may/29/turner-wins-barclays-wsl-goal-of-the-season-/
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No great surprise, but some speculation that Lehmann will be going to Juventus when Luiz does. Hope we get some money for her.
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On a playing side she won’t be a huge miss but I think she signed a new contract few months back so we might be able to get 100k or so
Not heard anything about new coach or a retained / released list
Team needs some surgery to not drop down towards bottom of league next season
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Yeah, you'd have thought something would be happening by now. Maybe not quite so urgent with the women as the season doesn't usually start until September.
Still, get a proper manager and some players, please. We need to win a trophy while our brilliant striker is still here, like Tottenham men didn't.
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No great surprise, but some speculation that Lehmann will be going to Juventus when Luiz does. Hope we get some money for her.
Never really watched the women's team, but is Lehmann just all hype?
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She was one of our better players. As we have improved she probably isn't, any more, but still a decent squad player. If she leaves it won't be the disaster that it would be if Rachel Daly, for instance, left, but she would still need replacing.
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No great surprise, but some speculation that Lehmann will be going to Juventus when Luiz does. Hope we get some money for her.
Never really watched the women's team, but is Lehmann just all hype?
With that social media profile if she was top quality she wouldn’t be muddling around with mid table teams in WSL for 5/6 years
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She was one of our better players. As we have improved she probably isn't, any more, but still a decent squad player. If she leaves it won't be the disaster that it would be if Rachel Daly, for instance, left, but she would still need replacing.
Yeah, squad player is where I would place her and then you have the benefit of the exposure she provides.
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Yep, and that shouldn't be understated. She's basically the female Beckham. In short, pay up, Juve!
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Not sure I'd want her if her dad was an Arsenal fan.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cw44mrj2g3go
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I am putty in the hands of anyone with a surname Insertnamedottir.
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I am putty in the hands of anyone with a surname Insertnamedottir.
Wild first name for the dad, though.
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I am putty in the hands of anyone with a surname Insertnamedottir.
Wild first name for the dad, though.
It's a family name. He comes from a long line of Insertname Insertnamesons.
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Robert de Pauw named as manager. https://x.com/AVWFCOfficial/status/1807006496443519288
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Awesome, don’t know much about him but he’s instantly amazing the moment he signed.
Big season ahead.
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Never heard of him. And thats on my knowledge, not on his ability.
Hopefully he can come in & can give the ladies an instant improvement & build from there.
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I already started a 2024/25 thread, he isn't going to manage us in the past ☹️
Can a mod fix please? Or just merge them and get rid of the season in the thread title.