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Title: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 20, 2023, 08:03:56 PM
Almost over now.

https://thebirminghampress.com/2023/05/aston-villa-and-the-ends-in-sight/
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: Scratchins on May 20, 2023, 08:38:29 PM
Well said Dave
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 20, 2023, 09:04:08 PM
VAR: that’ll fuck up the game
Added time: hold my beer
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 20, 2023, 09:27:05 PM
If we are going to measure the finest of margins by the use of technology then it’s about time that time itself is taken out of the hands of officials. The argument for VAR is that is meant to rule out costly errors that ultimately provide advantages to those who benefit from erroneous decisions. Then the same can be said for adding on time arbitrarily versus playing to precisely 90 minutes. The costs of adding ludicrous amounts of time leading to late events needs to be evaluated in the same way on field decisions are.
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: Drummond on May 20, 2023, 10:08:35 PM
There should be a representative of each club and an official available to agree the added time (with an explanation for each portion added) so that everyone knows and understands what's going on. I know there's a chance a team won't agree, but at least the discussion and explanation will be there.
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: Legion on May 20, 2023, 10:25:34 PM
Done.
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: Legion on May 20, 2023, 10:30:05 PM
"A ninetieth-minute equaliser and over to the fourth official to see how long he was going to allow Liverpool to equalise."

Score again? Win?
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 20, 2023, 10:31:55 PM
There should be a representative of each club and an official available to agree the added time (with an explanation for each portion added) so that everyone knows and understands what's going on. I know there's a chance a team won't agree, but at least the discussion and explanation will be there.

Who decides the time added on to cover the time it takes to reach that decision
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on May 21, 2023, 12:07:23 AM
Just stop the clock when play stops ŕ la rugby.
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: darren woolley on May 21, 2023, 12:26:42 AM
Great read Dave.
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: adrenachrome on May 21, 2023, 01:52:44 AM
I watched MOTD, and it does seem that more minutes were added on across the board.

I remember when we played Boro at VP when Southgate was in charge, and by today's standards 15 or 20 minutes would have been added.
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: andyh on May 21, 2023, 04:59:16 AM
The officials are wholly complicit in the lost time during games.
Every free kick, throw in and corner takes an age to be completed, yet it is allowed to continue.
Restarts after goals are even worse.

It’s officials who allow time wasting, they can so easily sort it out during the game and thereby take away their ability to affect the outcome of a game by adding tons of additional time on.

Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: London Villan on May 21, 2023, 06:13:56 AM
Why not enforce a rule where you have a maximum of 5-10 seconds for restarts. And for a defending team touching the ball after the whistle has been blown its a booking.
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 21, 2023, 06:23:29 AM
If arbitrary decisions are now being made about which round of fixtures get the full allotted time, then I'm an advocate of going down the route other sports have.  The duration of every game is determined by a clock on the screen that is stopped everytime there is a stoppage in play.
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: Nev on May 21, 2023, 06:37:50 AM
Ridiculous over officiating for the sake of it. Time wasting is not an issue unless you believe it is unfair when the opposition do it and perfectly reasonable when you employ it yourself, i.e your a big fucking baby who can't cope with losing.
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 21, 2023, 06:41:27 AM
If arbitrary decisions are now being made about which round of fixtures get the full allotted time, then I'm an advocate of going down the route other sports have.  The duration of every game is determined by a clock on the screen that is stopped everytime there is a stoppage in play.
Far too sensible.
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: Baldy on May 21, 2023, 06:53:57 AM
Thanks Dave, another great read.
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 21, 2023, 07:05:55 AM
When the clock on the old Witton Lane stand showed 20 to 5, the ref blew up.
Modern football is rubbish.
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: Baldy on May 21, 2023, 07:26:53 AM
When the clock on the old Witton Lane stand showed 20 to 5, the ref blew up.
Modern football is rubbish.

Hi Mr Lockhead, do you remember the Argus (sp.) that came out rapidly on a Saturday evening in 'pink' with all the footie scores?

It would be 'fecked' these days!!
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: olaftab on May 21, 2023, 07:29:29 AM
There should be a representative of each club and an official available to agree the added time (with an explanation for each portion added) so that everyone knows and understands what's going on. I know there's a chance a team won't agree, but at least the discussion and explanation will be there.
NO.
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: Scratchins on May 21, 2023, 07:39:18 AM
When the clock on the old Witton Lane stand showed 20 to 5, the ref blew up.
Modern football is rubbish.

Hi Mr Lockhead, do you remember the Argus (sp.) that came out rapidly on a Saturday evening in 'pink' with all the footie scores?

It would be 'fecked' these days!!


We lived in Halesowen and the van with the evening edition used to pass us on the way home.
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: ldavfc4eva on May 21, 2023, 07:46:04 AM
A good read Dave. Well summarised and the “Immaculate” assessment of Tyrone Mings is spot on.
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: LeeB on May 21, 2023, 07:51:44 AM
A good read Dave. Well summarised and the “Immaculate” assessment of Tyrone Mings is spot on.

Mings was awesome last week too, he's playing out of his skin at the minute. Talk of 'McGrath like' on the match thread and it's justified, he should absolutely be first choice for England alongside Stones, never mind pissing about in the squad.

Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: Nelly on May 21, 2023, 08:19:56 AM
A good read Dave. Well summarised and the “Immaculate” assessment of Tyrone Mings is spot on.

Mings was awesome last week too, he's playing out of his skin at the minute. Talk of 'McGrath like' on the match thread and it's justified, he should absolutely be first choice for England alongside Stones, never mind pissing about in the squad.



Some of that was me. In particular the commentary was remeniscent of McGrath Vs Italy. Mings was a mountain at the heart of our defence. Fantastic stuff.
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: Richard E on May 21, 2023, 08:31:04 AM
There should be a representative of each club and an official available to agree the added time (with an explanation for each portion added) so that everyone knows and understands what's going on. I know there's a chance a team won't agree, but at least the discussion and explanation will be there.
NO.

There’s no way officials would dare to give equal weight to what the representative of Luton or Bournemouth were saying compared to the one from Liverpool or Man United.
Title: Re: Press-ing on triumphantly
Post by: Simon Page on May 21, 2023, 12:31:50 PM
All club representatives should get on with playing the game and leave the ref to ref. It would sort out most problems.

Whenever it was ref decisions become perceived as the greatest miscarriages of justice in history, I blame it on our species' lack of a natural and effective predator.
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