Post by: wozwebs on April 24, 2023, 06:40:53 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/villa-park/the-terrace-view/
Ramsey's bar that we have used for over 25 years will, next season, be a members bar at the cost of £480 per season on top of the increase in season ticket prices.
It claims in the survey that we all requested it. Well we did ask for improved facilities but surely that should have been included in the extra season ticket increases not £480 extra for the privilege.
With that area now out of bounds it will mean the top concourse will be even more rammed than it is now and getting food and drink even worse. Terrible idea.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 24, 2023, 06:45:55 PM
Post by: The Moose on April 24, 2023, 06:47:11 PM
Post by: TonyD on April 24, 2023, 06:48:40 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 24, 2023, 06:48:58 PM
I try and spend as little time in the stadium as I can pre match and shit like this endorses that approach.
Post by: Nev on April 24, 2023, 06:50:16 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on April 24, 2023, 06:51:54 PM
Post by: danno on April 24, 2023, 06:53:24 PM
Post by: wozwebs on April 24, 2023, 06:53:48 PM
Post by: wozwebs on April 24, 2023, 06:54:17 PM
£480 quid?! so assuming you go to every league game, £25 a match.
Yes, from that website:
Packages for The Terrace View will be available to Holte End Upper season ticket holders soon.
Supporters will be able to bolt on access to their season ticket and purchase via our ticketing website, with the ability to spread the cost over an eight-month period alongside your season ticket.
Eligible supporters can bolt on access to their season ticket for £480 (£25 per game).
Fans sat elsewhere in the stadium can register their interest to hear more when places become available, either on a seasonal or match-by-match basis.
Post by: danno on April 24, 2023, 06:56:19 PM
Post by: wozwebs on April 24, 2023, 06:57:13 PM
That’s an expensive pint!
It says you get 2 'free' pints included so I guess that's £11 off the £25 but even so!
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2023, 07:00:04 PM
"Yes you can. £500 please!"
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 24, 2023, 07:00:07 PM
You also know it'd have that all-pervasive stink of chip fat that the concourse food counters have at Villa Park, it's really not a 480 quid a season kind of location, and no 1995 era graphics 3d walkthrough is going to change my mind on that.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 24, 2023, 07:00:24 PM
I'm sure when I filled in that survey I basically said I wanted to be able to have a piss and get a pint before they turn the lights off for the night. Not 'please turn the Holte into some sort of theme park for people with more money then sense'
Ill bet it will be full of the kind of people who video absolutely everything.
Post by: danno on April 24, 2023, 07:01:23 PM
That’s an expensive pint!
It says you get 2 'free' pints included so I guess that's £11 off the £25 but even so!
The free programme would make it more like £15 off, assuming you normally buy one.
Lol, still looks a ripoff though. Unless the beer is markedly better than the can badly poured into plastic cup experience I’m used to.
Post by: London Villan on April 24, 2023, 07:02:23 PM
Post by: wozwebs on April 24, 2023, 07:36:21 PM
Sounds like holte end season ticket holders might be moved to accommodate this new ‘offer’ from the club. Probably holds a couple of hundred?
No it's downstairs. Website says it will hold 1,000. Good luck trying to find 1,000 people thick or rich enough to pay that price
Post by: PeterWithe on April 24, 2023, 07:42:09 PM
Sounds like holte end season ticket holders might be moved to accommodate this new ‘offer’ from the club. Probably holds a couple of hundred?
No it's downstairs. Website says it will hold 1,000. Good luck trying to find 1,000 people thick or rich enough to pay that price
Not according to the main picture, the outside area will be between the sets of steps which would make it above the Holte Suite wouldn't it? Also makes reference to being available to upper Holte ST holders.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 24, 2023, 07:44:06 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 24, 2023, 07:44:40 PM
Post by: Clampy on April 24, 2023, 07:54:38 PM
Post by: Bad English on April 24, 2023, 08:01:39 PM
Jeez this is a terrible idea.That video seems to show that they have taken your request into consideration: the virtual 'fans' appear to be getting a pint at the "Holte Ender" while othes are having a piss at the "Holte Tap". It's a bit like the cheaper bits of the Munich Beer Festival.
I'm sure when I filled in that survey I basically said I wanted to be able to have a piss and get a pint before they turn the lights off for the night.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 24, 2023, 08:20:03 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 24, 2023, 08:33:13 PM
And for the less gullible, we'll be shoehorned into the top tier I presume? Which is packed as it is so with double the number of us peasants up there is going to be a pretty shite experience. But at least there's a chicken shop that sells 3 pieces of fried chicken for fucking £12, if you can be arsed to queue for the whole of half time and miss the second half ko.
Just sell me a pie and a pint you twats, and save this bullshit for the prawn sandwiches elsewhere in the ground.
FFS.
I'd be grateful if someone can forward this on to Purslow for me. Cheers.
Post by: London Villan on April 24, 2023, 08:44:51 PM
Post by: luke95 on April 24, 2023, 08:54:50 PM
They already know this .
Oh well we tried but you didn't back it
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 24, 2023, 08:55:16 PM
Whats the new white heart lane like for regular fans?
Dunno about the home end but the away end was fine, lots of room, bit of a que for a pint and hot dog for my lad. Prices were over priced, but to be honest in a similar range to Villa. Beer was from memory beavertown or Camden pale ale, much better than the Heineken shite down the Villa, self poured as well, which is better than shitely poured.
This whole think fooking stinks and along with the extortionate season ticket hike, puts a dampener on whats been a brilliant few months.
Post by: Dave P on April 24, 2023, 08:58:05 PM
Post by: olaftab on April 24, 2023, 09:39:09 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 24, 2023, 09:53:50 PM
Excellent idea and I think Club are being very generous to charge only £480 to access this superb exclusive facility. I have put my name down for it and here is hoping it will keep the riffraff out allowing some of us decent supporters a relaxed space from where we can wave at Mr Purslow.I wish he would sort out the parking behind the Holte, the chaffeur has trouble parking the Rolls Royce on match day next to them BMW'S
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 24, 2023, 09:53:59 PM
Excellent idea and I think Club are being very generous to charge only £480 to access this superb exclusive facility. I have put my name down for it and here is hoping it will keep the riffraff out allowing some of us decent supporters a relaxed space from where we can wave at Mr Purslow.
Sounds lovely, the footballing equivalent of an airline lounge. If it's offered on a match-by-match basis I'd be happy to join you to quaff a few pre-match glasses of wine. Suitably refreshed then for heading out to the common area to show that us middle-class types can be just as vocal in our support as the proles.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 24, 2023, 10:13:13 PM
"Fans expressed their desire for somewhere to get a drink and food after the match"
"FIVE HUNDRED POUNDS, PLEASE"
Staggering, and presented with absolute shameless spin.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 24, 2023, 10:17:50 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 24, 2023, 10:24:41 PM
Genuinely gobsmacking though.
"Fans expressed their desire for somewhere to get a drink and food after the match"
"FIVE HUNDRED POUNDS, PLEASE"
Staggering, and presented with absolute shameless spin.
Absolutely, treating us with contempt.
Post by: Des Little on April 24, 2023, 10:27:12 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 24, 2023, 11:13:38 PM
Seeing this has made me less enthusiastic for Villa Live. How much will that be to get in?
Will that be ready for next season or does it come as part of the North stand rebuild?
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on April 24, 2023, 11:30:37 PM
Whats the new white heart lane like for regular fans?
I’ve been in the big home end / South Stand at the Spurs stadium (for a gig) and let’s just say that what Villa are charging £480 for, are the standard facilities for Spurs fans as their whole concourse looks like that anyway.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 25, 2023, 08:07:08 AM
Yet more reason to drink in town pre match, and again afterwards. It’s becoming like a Ryanair flight going to the match these days. What next? 20p to have a piss?Good comparison, pay money to be treated like shit, very Ryanair.
Post by: TonyD on April 25, 2023, 08:11:11 AM
Post by: Clampy on April 25, 2023, 09:01:51 AM
Yet more reason to drink in town pre match, and again afterwards. It’s becoming like a Ryanair flight going to the match these days. What next? 20p to have a piss?Good comparison, pay money to be treated like shit, very Ryanair.
They're not forcing anyone to use the new Terrace Bar though. The only people people it might efffect are those who use it already.
Post by: boozey182 on April 25, 2023, 09:11:39 AM
Yet more reason to drink in town pre match, and again afterwards. It’s becoming like a Ryanair flight going to the match these days. What next? 20p to have a piss?Good comparison, pay money to be treated like shit, very Ryanair.
They're not forcing anyone to use the new Terrace Bar though. The only people people it might efffect are those who use it already.
I think Chris nailed it with his point - the rest of us in the Upper Holte will find that everyone is now going to be crammed into a much smaller space. We are going to be paying more for reduced facilities. That bar seemed to be the only place in the entire ground where you could get a drink without having to queue for 25 minutes, and now that's being taken away.
Me, my brother and my dad had got into the habit of having a drink before the match, just because it's convenient. We'll almost definitely end up just getting to the ground later and going straight to our seats now.
If it was an extra benefit for season ticket holders, or incorporated into the Pride Rewards, or even just a few quid to enter, I could understand it - but £25 a match is just a ludicrous price. I honestly can't get my head around how anyone at the club could possibly think that is reasonable.
Post by: London Villan on April 25, 2023, 09:19:10 AM
It's just a shame, as these sort of facilities (a bar where you can get served, the chance of a seat, being able to watch pre-match coverage on a screen you can hear) should be the basics for the fan experience, particularly when you pay £800 for a season ticket.
Post by: LeeB on April 25, 2023, 09:22:41 AM
Post by: olaftab on April 25, 2023, 09:25:23 AM
Ran into dear old Purslow in Purnell's last night. After congratulating him on this superb idea I asked that he should look at a Champagne & Caviar section in the bar area. His eyes lit up and said he will get his people on it. That would be bloody marvelous. Finally we have a CEO who understands us real fans.Excellent idea and I think Club are being very generous to charge only £480 to access this superb exclusive facility. I have put my name down for it and here is hoping it will keep the riffraff out allowing some of us decent supporters a relaxed space from where we can wave at Mr Purslow.
Sounds lovely, the footballing equivalent of an airline lounge. If it's offered on a match-by-match basis I'd be happy to join you to quaff a few pre-match glasses of wine. Suitably refreshed then for heading out to the common area to show that us middle-class types can be just as vocal in our support as the proles.
Post by: olaftab on April 25, 2023, 09:30:56 AM
To be truthful low end shite like BM's, Mercs and Range Rovers should not be allowed anywhere near essential convenient parking facility reserved for those of us who appreciate enhanced experience.Excellent idea and I think Club are being very generous to charge only £480 to access this superb exclusive facility. I have put my name down for it and here is hoping it will keep the riffraff out allowing some of us decent supporters a relaxed space from where we can wave at Mr Purslow.I wish he would sort out the parking behind the Holte, the chaffeur has trouble parking the Rolls Royce on match day next to them BMW'S
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on April 25, 2023, 09:36:15 AM
Post by: olaftab on April 25, 2023, 09:36:39 AM
The cheapest season ticket in their South stand is about £1000 and average price is £1200 so not surprised at the "standard facility".Whats the new white heart lane like for regular fans?I’ve been in the big home end / South Stand at the Spurs stadium (for a gig) and let’s just say that what Villa are charging £480 for, are the standard facilities for Spurs fans as their whole concourse looks like that anyway.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 25, 2023, 09:39:40 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 25, 2023, 09:48:33 AM
Yet more reason to drink in town pre match, and again afterwards. It’s becoming like a Ryanair flight going to the match these days. What next? 20p to have a piss?Good comparison, pay money to be treated like shit, very Ryanair.
They're not forcing anyone to use the new Terrace Bar though. The only people people it might efffect are those who use it already.
Its not really the point though is it. They’ve spun it as if supporters have asked for this, i doubt very much anyone asked for somewhere to go pre/post match that will cost them the best part of £500 a year, announced at the same time as huge season ticket hikes. Nobody will be forced to use it, its what it signifies about how the club view us.
Post by: Nev on April 25, 2023, 09:49:02 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 25, 2023, 09:56:12 AM
This is exactly it. I don't know how many the Holte upper holds - maybe 5k? So if ambitiously 1k take this up then 80% of 'customers' will be shoehorned into maybe half the current space. It's packed up there as it is and the increased demand for the remaining 'plebs' bars and toilets will surely be unsustainable.They're not forcing anyone to use the new Terrace Bar though. The only people people it might efffect are those who use it already.
I think Chris nailed it with his point - the rest of us in the Upper Holte will find that everyone is now going to be crammed into a much smaller space. We are going to be paying more for reduced facilities. That bar seemed to be the only place in the entire ground where you could get a drink without having to queue for 25 minutes, and now that's being taken away.
Me, my brother and my dad had got into the habit of having a drink before the match, just because it's convenient. We'll almost definitely end up just getting to the ground later and going straight to our seats now.
If it was an extra benefit for season ticket holders, or incorporated into the Pride Rewards, or even just a few quid to enter, I could understand it - but £25 a match is just a ludicrous price. I honestly can't get my head around how anyone at the club could possibly think that is reasonable.
How the hell can this be considered a step forward in fan experience?
I'm not happy about the ST prices, but I can kind of see the logic in terms of taking steps to bridge the revenue gap. But forcing this sort of shit onto us when these are the type of facilities they should be providing anyway is pretty disgusting in my view.
Post by: LeeB on April 25, 2023, 09:58:12 AM
You've got 13,500 customers in there who to a man are telling you it's difficult for them to spend the money they want to spend. To solve it, you ask a small percentage to pay almost the cost of their ticket again to have the ability to do so, whilst simultaneously making the already poor experience worse for the majority by removing space in the from the already problematic area.
Without providing solutions, a quick fag packet calculation says:
1000 people pay it at £480 = £480,000
They each spend £15 = £280,000
total £760,000
I think that's being generous too, I don't think the take up would be anything near that. Now lets instead that every fan spends an extra £5 on matchday in there, because the bars work and the food is good. There will always be people that wont spend that but others will spend a lot more so I don't think it's unrealistic, but just that over a league season would be just over £1.25m, and you'd have a lot more happy customers.
A pox on the witless spunkbubbles that come up with this shit.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 25, 2023, 10:06:13 AM
If I could get a pint or a bovril at half time without missing some of the game then I probably would buy one most games. I'd probably spend more before the game too if the facilities, service and quality of pie was better. Bur forcing most the fans into half the pace is going to make it far worse.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 25, 2023, 10:08:39 AM
Post by: algy on April 25, 2023, 10:10:07 AM
I can see it working, but I'd predict it's not necessarily going to be something aimed at people who go every other week. If you're more of an occasional visitor, though, then paying an extra £30 on top of the match ticket for a programme, couple of pints, having somewhere obvious to go before/after the match to miss out on the queues for traffic or trains, .... I can see the attraction. It's them it's aimed at - people who go to a handful of games, either because they can only make a handful or they've come as tourists - rather than season ticket holders, I'd think.
Post by: Drummond on April 25, 2023, 10:12:29 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 25, 2023, 10:16:53 AM
I'd imagine it's probably more targeted at the likes of me - folk who'll go once or twice a year and as of such will probably more inclined to spend an extra bit of money to make it a nicer experience, because you're only going to the odd game so why not hedge your bets a bit and make sure you've got somewhere to sit down, have a beer, etc. They're probably right to some extent, for example when I go I'm usually open to spending a little bit more on slightly nicer seats than I'd consider if I were going more regularly.But it's pretty much impossible to get two seats together in the upper Holte for occasional fans, so this sort of 'experience' would be better placed in the Witton or new North (and I'm sure there will be plenty of it in there)
I can see it working, but I'd predict it's not necessarily going to be something aimed at people who go every other week. If you're more of an occasional visitor, though, then paying an extra £30 on top of the match ticket for a programme, couple of pints, having somewhere obvious to go before/after the match to miss out on the queues for traffic or trains, .... I can see the attraction. It's them it's aimed at - people who go to a handful of games, either because they can only make a handful or they've come as tourists - rather than season ticket holders, I'd think.
Post by: LeeB on April 25, 2023, 10:18:13 AM
It's not that fucking hard, it actually feels like they want to make it hard so you'll pay for these ludicrous white elephant schemes. They love this shit, these fucking Purslow types, what was that thing at Spurs? Eat the finest cheeses whilst staring at players in the tunnel through a one way glass for about £3m a season, fuck off.
Post by: artvandelay on April 25, 2023, 10:18:24 AM
There's some management consultant somewhere feeling really fucking proud of themselves right now.
Post by: Clampy on April 25, 2023, 10:19:36 AM
This is exactly it. I don't know how many the Holte upper holds - maybe 5k? So if ambitiously 1k take this up then 80% of 'customers' will be shoehorned into maybe half the current space. It's packed up there as it is and the increased demand for the remaining 'plebs' bars and toilets will surely be unsustainable.They're not forcing anyone to use the new Terrace Bar though. The only people people it might efffect are those who use it already.
I think Chris nailed it with his point - the rest of us in the Upper Holte will find that everyone is now going to be crammed into a much smaller space. We are going to be paying more for reduced facilities. That bar seemed to be the only place in the entire ground where you could get a drink without having to queue for 25 minutes, and now that's being taken away.
Me, my brother and my dad had got into the habit of having a drink before the match, just because it's convenient. We'll almost definitely end up just getting to the ground later and going straight to our seats now.
If it was an extra benefit for season ticket holders, or incorporated into the Pride Rewards, or even just a few quid to enter, I could understand it - but £25 a match is just a ludicrous price. I honestly can't get my head around how anyone at the club could possibly think that is reasonable.
How the hell can this be considered a step forward in fan experience?
I'm not happy about the ST prices, but I can kind of see the logic in terms of taking steps to bridge the revenue gap. But forcing this sort of shit onto us when these are the type of facilities they should be providing anyway is pretty disgusting in my view.
The thing is, you are using the word 'forced' in regards to the new bar and no-one is forcing anybody. Just don't use it.
Post by: Drummond on April 25, 2023, 10:20:46 AM
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2023, 10:23:07 AM
The thing is, you are using the word 'forced' in regards to the new bar and no-one is forcing anybody. Just don't use it.
People who don't want to use it will be forced into a smaller area than before though, which I think is the point you're missing.
Post by: Drummond on April 25, 2023, 10:23:37 AM
This is exactly it. I don't know how many the Holte upper holds - maybe 5k? So if ambitiously 1k take this up then 80% of 'customers' will be shoehorned into maybe half the current space. It's packed up there as it is and the increased demand for the remaining 'plebs' bars and toilets will surely be unsustainable.They're not forcing anyone to use the new Terrace Bar though. The only people people it might efffect are those who use it already.
I think Chris nailed it with his point - the rest of us in the Upper Holte will find that everyone is now going to be crammed into a much smaller space. We are going to be paying more for reduced facilities. That bar seemed to be the only place in the entire ground where you could get a drink without having to queue for 25 minutes, and now that's being taken away.
Me, my brother and my dad had got into the habit of having a drink before the match, just because it's convenient. We'll almost definitely end up just getting to the ground later and going straight to our seats now.
If it was an extra benefit for season ticket holders, or incorporated into the Pride Rewards, or even just a few quid to enter, I could understand it - but £25 a match is just a ludicrous price. I honestly can't get my head around how anyone at the club could possibly think that is reasonable.
How the hell can this be considered a step forward in fan experience?
I'm not happy about the ST prices, but I can kind of see the logic in terms of taking steps to bridge the revenue gap. But forcing this sort of shit onto us when these are the type of facilities they should be providing anyway is pretty disgusting in my view.
The thing is, you are using the word 'forced' in regards to the new bar and no-one is forcing anybody. Just don't use it.
They are forcing it upon everyone in the Upper Holte. Because it will be there, getting in the fucking way and spoiling the matchday experience for everyone that doesn't use it.
I know you like to positively spin stuff, but really this is the ultimate piss-take. I hope nobody takes up the offer, but in reality- plenty will.
Post by: Drummond on April 25, 2023, 10:24:05 AM
The thing is, you are using the word 'forced' in regards to the new bar and no-one is forcing anybody. Just don't use it.
People who don't want to use it will be forced into a smaller area than before though, which I think is the point you're missing.
Gah, beat me.
Post by: LeeB on April 25, 2023, 10:29:03 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 25, 2023, 10:33:40 AM
Now people are expected to pay well over a grand to have their seat, get a pint before and at half time, and a programme. And all that for just 1000 people? Jesus.
Post by: Nev on April 25, 2023, 10:37:22 AM
Shame.
Post by: Stu82 on April 25, 2023, 10:39:18 AM
Going back to the old Holte, we didn't go there for the facilities, it was a very basic offer , but was where most of us went for the camaraderie, the raucous experience. Splitting the fans by this decision is just wrong.
Post by: LeeB on April 25, 2023, 10:46:34 AM
It's the Holte End. It is a divisive decision, them who can afford it, and less space for those that can't.
Going back to the old Holte, we didn't go there for the facilities, it was a very basic offer , but was where most of us went for the camaraderie, the raucous experience. Splitting the fans by this decision is just wrong.
Yes, this. It's both devisive and comercially shit. Who did they consult for this, Lord Frost?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 25, 2023, 10:48:42 AM
It's the Holte End. It is a divisive decision, them who can afford it, and less space for those that can't.
Going back to the old Holte, we didn't go there for the facilities, it was a very basic offer , but was where most of us went for the camaraderie, the raucous experience. Splitting the fans by this decision is just wrong.
Even back in the 'good old' days there was a split, between left side and right side.
Post by: Clampy on April 25, 2023, 10:51:06 AM
The thing is, you are using the word 'forced' in regards to the new bar and no-one is forcing anybody. Just don't use it.
People who don't want to use it will be forced into a smaller area than before though, which I think is the point you're missing.
If that's what he meant, then fair enough.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 25, 2023, 10:52:44 AM
I would have thought it was obvious in the context of the post, which was all about the remaining 80% or so.
The thing is, you are using the word 'forced' in regards to the new bar and no-one is forcing anybody. Just don't use it.
People who don't want to use it will be forced into a smaller area than before though, which I think is the point you're missing.
If that's what he meant, then fair enough.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 25, 2023, 10:52:44 AM
Post by: Mister E on April 25, 2023, 11:04:25 AM
1. They want to build revenue through catering and recognise that the current arrangements limit their ability to do so; I get that. However, their solution is flawed and answers the wrong question. Instead of improving fan-flow, product-quality and service-quality in the existing space - easily done with good expertise in these matters - they've convinced themselves that a new and expensive 'product' will solve their challenge (with no understanding of the unintended consequences their solution creates).
2. Their response to well-documented problems of weak / no wifi and intrusive p.a. system is to offer a space for those who wish to pay to address this. Good and free wifi should be a standard - a norm - anywhere in the UK in my opinion (the reason it isn't at VP - I suspect - is that they don't want people accessing in-game betting sites instead of using the in-stadium booths). The p.a. system has been a nuisance for as long as I can remember ... the seems to be no incentive to improve it.
Post by: Risso on April 25, 2023, 11:08:13 AM
I'd make 2 points -
1. They want to build revenue through catering and recognise that the current arrangements limit their ability to do so; I get that. However, their solution is flawed and answers the wrong question. Instead of improving fan-flow, product-quality and service-quality in the existing space - easily done with good expertise in these matters - they've convinced themselves that a new and expensive 'product' will solve their challenge (with no understanding of the unintended consequences their solution creates).
2. Their response to well-documented problems of weak / no wifi and intrusive p.a. system is to offer a space for those who wish to pay to address this. Good and free wifi should be a standard - a norm - anywhere in the UK in my opinion (the reason it isn't at VP - I suspect - is that they don't want people accessing in-game betting sites instead of using the in-stadium booths). The p.a. system has been a nuisance for as long as I can remember ... the seems to be no incentive to improve it.
Lack of wifi and mobile signal is a disgrace. They seem to manage it fine at other grounds, even relative shitholes like Elland Road.
Post by: rjp on April 25, 2023, 11:26:09 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 25, 2023, 11:29:42 AM
If they want to increase revenue just get the basics right. Quick food, quick beer and drinks and staff who are proficient. It's a captive market, if it's good it will be used and you get the increased revenue. This latest plan is wank in the extreme.
That's it, pay more, get decent staff in and charge more per pint/pie/portion of chips. They'd easily make loads more.
Post by: Stu82 on April 25, 2023, 11:32:11 AM
It's the Holte End. It is a divisive decision, them who can afford it, and less space for those that can't.
Going back to the old Holte, we didn't go there for the facilities, it was a very basic offer , but was where most of us went for the camaraderie, the raucous experience. Splitting the fans by this decision is just wrong.
Even back in the 'good old' days there was a split, between left side and right side.
True
The right side
Post by: Chris Smith on April 25, 2023, 11:43:18 AM
It's the Holte End. It is a divisive decision, them who can afford it, and less space for those that can't.
Going back to the old Holte, we didn't go there for the facilities, it was a very basic offer , but was where most of us went for the camaraderie, the raucous experience. Splitting the fans by this decision is just wrong.
Even back in the 'good old' days there was a split, between left side and right side.
True
The right side
In the good old good old days there was no split. I still remember when they first divided it “the fence must go”.
Post by: Chris Smith on April 25, 2023, 11:49:37 AM
If they want to increase revenue just get the basics right. Quick food, quick beer and drinks and staff who are proficient. It's a captive market, if it's good it will be used and you get the increased revenue. This latest plan is wank in the extreme.
That's it, pay more, get decent staff in and charge more per pint/pie/portion of chips. They'd easily make loads more.
The new automated system, where you order at a terminal then collect your beer from a kiosk does seem to work ok in the Lower Holte. The staffing issue is more tricky, the nature of it means they are always going to be reliant on agency staff.
Post by: Dr Butler on April 25, 2023, 11:53:05 AM
If they want to increase revenue just get the basics right. Quick food, quick beer and drinks and staff who are proficient. It's a captive market, if it's good it will be used and you get the increased revenue. This latest plan is wank in the extreme.
That's it, pay more, get decent staff in and charge more per pint/pie/portion of chips. They'd easily make loads more.
The new automated system, where you order at a terminal then collect your beer from a kiosk does seem to work ok in the Lower Holte. The staffing issue is more tricky, the nature of it means they are always going to be reliant on agency staff.
agreed and I quite like how it works...
UTV
The Doc
Post by: exigo on April 25, 2023, 01:46:56 PM
If they want to increase revenue just get the basics right. Quick food, quick beer and drinks and staff who are proficient. It's a captive market, if it's good it will be used and you get the increased revenue. This latest plan is wank in the extreme.
That's it, pay more, get decent staff in and charge more per pint/pie/portion of chips. They'd easily make loads more.
They'll very quickly realise just how much more revenue the Tap and Go bar is making in the lower right Holte, and roll that out everywhere. Two people pouring pints, instead of the old 10-12. One person bringing out new pies. Easy, and so much quicker.
Post by: Drummond on April 25, 2023, 02:17:44 PM
Or just let computers do it.
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 25, 2023, 03:15:22 PM
Post by: London Villan on April 25, 2023, 04:05:41 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 25, 2023, 04:08:08 PM
To be fair, you aren't paying £25 a go (on top of £40 per match) to go into Herberts Yard though.I do when the wife is with me with her gin cocktails
Post by: Chris Harte on April 25, 2023, 04:16:03 PM
It's the Holte End. It is a divisive decision, them who can afford it, and less space for those that can't.You've just made me go all nostalgic for the old Holte End River.
Going back to the old Holte, we didn't go there for the facilities, it was a very basic offer , but was where most of us went for the camaraderie, the raucous experience. Splitting the fans by this decision is just wrong.
Post by: Chris Harte on April 25, 2023, 04:21:28 PM
Good and free wifi should be a standard - a norm - anywhere in the UK in my opinion (the reason it isn't at VP - I suspect - is that they don't want people accessing in-game betting sites instead of using the in-stadium booths).Do you mean wifi or do you mean 4G/5G? The signal on 4G is poor during half-time, but useable at other times. I've never tried the wifi.
Post by: hipkiss92 on April 25, 2023, 05:21:48 PM
If they want to increase revenue just get the basics right. Quick food, quick beer and drinks and staff who are proficient. It's a captive market, if it's good it will be used and you get the increased revenue. This latest plan is wank in the extreme.
That's it, pay more, get decent staff in and charge more per pint/pie/portion of chips. They'd easily make loads more.
They'll very quickly realise just how much more revenue the Tap and Go bar is making in the lower right Holte, and roll that out everywhere. Two people pouring pints, instead of the old 10-12. One person bringing out new pies. Easy, and so much quicker.
Pouring pints to order was always an issue. Go to Edgbaston for a major cricket match, and there are 2/3 people constantly pulling pints, with someone else taking orders and payment. Goes far quicker. Even the same at Northants county ground for T20 matches.
Post by: Mister E on April 25, 2023, 06:44:28 PM
I mean wifi and 4G; both shite most of the time, in my experience.Good and free wifi should be a standard - a norm - anywhere in the UK in my opinion (the reason it isn't at VP - I suspect - is that they don't want people accessing in-game betting sites instead of using the in-stadium booths).Do you mean wifi or do you mean 4G/5G? The signal on 4G is poor during half-time, but useable at other times. I've never tried the wifi.
Post by: aldridgeboy on April 26, 2023, 03:01:01 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 26, 2023, 11:05:17 AM
Post by: UK Redsox on April 26, 2023, 11:11:18 AM
Would anyone now be in the slightest bit surprised if, the season after next, the front and centre blocks of the upper Holte were corporates?
Same goes for C4 (where I am) & C5 behind the dugouts
Post by: chrisw1 on April 26, 2023, 11:18:28 AM
exiting
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proposed
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Post by: Nev on April 26, 2023, 01:28:41 PM
Would anyone now be in the slightest bit surprised if, the season after next, the front and centre blocks of the upper Holte were corporates?
I made that point yesterday. Once the invisible wall is breached I think it's open season. The atmosphere will be affected and Villa Park will never be the same again.
Post by: placeforparks on April 26, 2023, 01:47:59 PM
the design statement is the easiest to understand - http://eplanning.idox.birmingham.gov.uk/publisher/docs/4234B4812EFD89672DA37BCA4F5C6533/Document-4234B4812EFD89672DA37BCA4F5C6533.pdf
Post by: Exeter 77 on April 26, 2023, 07:29:25 PM
the planning application for all of this is with the Council at the moment - http://eplanning.idox.birmingham.gov.uk/publisher/mvc/listDocuments?identifier=Planning&reference=2023/01507/PADoes that mean objections to the plans can be made?
the design statement is the easiest to understand - http://eplanning.idox.birmingham.gov.uk/publisher/docs/4234B4812EFD89672DA37BCA4F5C6533/Document-4234B4812EFD89672DA37BCA4F5C6533.pdf
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 27, 2023, 12:13:46 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 27, 2023, 08:45:15 AM
Having spent a few games in the Witton upper, the revised Holte will still be infinitely superior. Particularly if they install the walk-through kiosks etc.
But looking at the bigger picture, we have a world class manager and are sitting 5th in the table. We're getting a 50k seater stadium and I think we're all expecting a big splurge in the transfer market this summer and another push for top 6 next season.
I don't think there should be corporate facilities in the Holte and am convinced the survey was a stitch-up. But if a bit less concourse space is one of the prices I have to pay for progress I'm starting to think I can live with it. I think corporate seats in the Holte would be a step too far - the club should recognise the traditional fan dynamic in the ground, but unfortunately that feels inevitable. I'll definitely be going all NIMBY when they take my seat.
Post by: Holte L2 on April 27, 2023, 09:18:56 AM
Whilst this has annoyed me as there's bound to be a downgrade in experience (toilet access, space etc) for the majority, I'm starting to come to terms with it.
Having spent a few games in the Witton upper, the revised Holte will still be infinitely superior. Particularly if they install the walk-through kiosks etc.
But looking at the bigger picture, we have a world class manager and are sitting 5th in the table. We're getting a 50k seater stadium and I think we're all expecting a big splurge in the transfer market this summer and another push for top 6 next season.
I don't think there should be corporate facilities in the Holte and am convinced the survey was a stitch-up. But if a bit less concourse space is one of the prices I have to pay for progress I'm starting to think I can live with it. I think corporate seats in the Holte would be a step too far - the club should recognise the traditional fan dynamic in the ground, but unfortunately that feels inevitable. I'll definitely be going all NIMBY when they take my seat.
This is exactly where I'm at. My matchday experience won't change at all. In and out on the train. Pre match at the Bartons when I've got the time to do it. The odd drink in town post match.
Post by: LeeB on April 27, 2023, 10:22:43 AM
Whilst this has annoyed me as there's bound to be a downgrade in experience (toilet access, space etc) for the majority, I'm starting to come to terms with it.
Having spent a few games in the Witton upper, the revised Holte will still be infinitely superior. Particularly if they install the walk-through kiosks etc.
But looking at the bigger picture, we have a world class manager and are sitting 5th in the table. We're getting a 50k seater stadium and I think we're all expecting a big splurge in the transfer market this summer and another push for top 6 next season.
I don't think there should be corporate facilities in the Holte and am convinced the survey was a stitch-up. But if a bit less concourse space is one of the prices I have to pay for progress I'm starting to think I can live with it. I think corporate seats in the Holte would be a step too far - the club should recognise the traditional fan dynamic in the ground, but unfortunately that feels inevitable. I'll definitely be going all NIMBY when they take my seat.
This is exactly where I'm at. My matchday experience won't change at all. In and out on the train. Pre match at the Bartons when I've got the time to do it. The odd drink in town post match.
You need to give yourself a couple of hours to get a pint in there these days, they were bloody hopeless again the other night and it was half empty.
Post by: AV82EC on April 27, 2023, 10:41:45 AM
Whilst this has annoyed me as there's bound to be a downgrade in experience (toilet access, space etc) for the majority, I'm starting to come to terms with it.
Having spent a few games in the Witton upper, the revised Holte will still be infinitely superior. Particularly if they install the walk-through kiosks etc.
But looking at the bigger picture, we have a world class manager and are sitting 5th in the table. We're getting a 50k seater stadium and I think we're all expecting a big splurge in the transfer market this summer and another push for top 6 next season.
I don't think there should be corporate facilities in the Holte and am convinced the survey was a stitch-up. But if a bit less concourse space is one of the prices I have to pay for progress I'm starting to think I can live with it. I think corporate seats in the Holte would be a step too far - the club should recognise the traditional fan dynamic in the ground, but unfortunately that feels inevitable. I'll definitely be going all NIMBY when they take my seat.
This is exactly where I'm at. My matchday experience won't change at all. In and out on the train. Pre match at the Bartons when I've got the time to do it. The odd drink in town post match.
You need to give yourself a couple of hours to get a pint in there these days, they were bloody hopeless again the other night and it was half empty.
When you do get served make sure it’s a double round.
Post by: Nev on April 27, 2023, 10:50:43 AM
Whilst this has annoyed me as there's bound to be a downgrade in experience (toilet access, space etc) for the majority, I'm starting to come to terms with it.
Having spent a few games in the Witton upper, the revised Holte will still be infinitely superior. Particularly if they install the walk-through kiosks etc.
But looking at the bigger picture, we have a world class manager and are sitting 5th in the table. We're getting a 50k seater stadium and I think we're all expecting a big splurge in the transfer market this summer and another push for top 6 next season.
I don't think there should be corporate facilities in the Holte and am convinced the survey was a stitch-up. But if a bit less concourse space is one of the prices I have to pay for progress I'm starting to think I can live with it. I think corporate seats in the Holte would be a step too far - the club should recognise the traditional fan dynamic in the ground, but unfortunately that feels inevitable. I'll definitely be going all NIMBY when they take my seat.
This is exactly where I'm at. My matchday experience won't change at all. In and out on the train. Pre match at the Bartons when I've got the time to do it. The odd drink in town post match.
You need to give yourself a couple of hours to get a pint in there these days, they were bloody hopeless again the other night and it was half empty.
When you do get served make sure it’s a double round.
I don't go in as often these days but the service was as poor as ever on Tuesday. Working a bar and seeing who's next is an art in itself but these days, as demonstrated on Tuesday, the bar person will serve someone, the customer will then vacate the space which is in turn occupied by someone who on occasion has just walked in and they are served straight away. The people either side waiting patiently are all but ignored. It then gets a bit fractious for no real reason.
Post by: LeeB on April 27, 2023, 11:03:31 AM
Whilst this has annoyed me as there's bound to be a downgrade in experience (toilet access, space etc) for the majority, I'm starting to come to terms with it.
Having spent a few games in the Witton upper, the revised Holte will still be infinitely superior. Particularly if they install the walk-through kiosks etc.
But looking at the bigger picture, we have a world class manager and are sitting 5th in the table. We're getting a 50k seater stadium and I think we're all expecting a big splurge in the transfer market this summer and another push for top 6 next season.
I don't think there should be corporate facilities in the Holte and am convinced the survey was a stitch-up. But if a bit less concourse space is one of the prices I have to pay for progress I'm starting to think I can live with it. I think corporate seats in the Holte would be a step too far - the club should recognise the traditional fan dynamic in the ground, but unfortunately that feels inevitable. I'll definitely be going all NIMBY when they take my seat.
This is exactly where I'm at. My matchday experience won't change at all. In and out on the train. Pre match at the Bartons when I've got the time to do it. The odd drink in town post match.
You need to give yourself a couple of hours to get a pint in there these days, they were bloody hopeless again the other night and it was half empty.
When you do get served make sure it’s a double round.
I don't go in as often these days but the service was as poor as ever on Tuesday. Working a bar and seeing who's next is an art in itself but these days, as demonstrated on Tuesday, the bar person will serve someone, the customer will then vacate the space which is in turn occupied by someone who on occasion has just walked in and they are served straight away. The people either side waiting patiently are all but ignored. It then gets a bit fractious for no real reason.
Exactly this, at one point on Tuesday I was stood with several others on the 'Elbow Room' side of the bar and there were 4 staff standing shoulder to shoulder serving the opposite side with less people, and two of them had just walked up. They also seem to have an inordinate number of staff doing things other than serving customers.
Post by: Rory on April 27, 2023, 03:05:47 PM
Whilst this has annoyed me as there's bound to be a downgrade in experience (toilet access, space etc) for the majority, I'm starting to come to terms with it.
Having spent a few games in the Witton upper, the revised Holte will still be infinitely superior. Particularly if they install the walk-through kiosks etc.
But looking at the bigger picture, we have a world class manager and are sitting 5th in the table. We're getting a 50k seater stadium and I think we're all expecting a big splurge in the transfer market this summer and another push for top 6 next season.
I don't think there should be corporate facilities in the Holte and am convinced the survey was a stitch-up. But if a bit less concourse space is one of the prices I have to pay for progress I'm starting to think I can live with it. I think corporate seats in the Holte would be a step too far - the club should recognise the traditional fan dynamic in the ground, but unfortunately that feels inevitable. I'll definitely be going all NIMBY when they take my seat.
This is exactly where I'm at. My matchday experience won't change at all. In and out on the train. Pre match at the Bartons when I've got the time to do it. The odd drink in town post match.
You need to give yourself a couple of hours to get a pint in there these days, they were bloody hopeless again the other night and it was half empty.
When you do get served make sure it’s a double round.
I don't go in as often these days but the service was as poor as ever on Tuesday. Working a bar and seeing who's next is an art in itself but these days, as demonstrated on Tuesday, the bar person will serve someone, the customer will then vacate the space which is in turn occupied by someone who on occasion has just walked in and they are served straight away. The people either side waiting patiently are all but ignored. It then gets a bit fractious for no real reason.
Exactly this, at one point on Tuesday I was stood with several others on the 'Elbow Room' side of the bar and there were 4 staff standing shoulder to shoulder serving the opposite side with less people, and two of them had just walked up. They also seem to have an inordinate number of staff doing things other than serving customers.
Sounds like my local pharmacy. About 15 people working there, 2 customers in, I placed the order 5 working days ago, but when I go to collect it'll always be '20 to 30 minutes'.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 27, 2023, 03:22:22 PM
Sounds like my local pharmacy. About 15 people working there, 2 customers in, I placed the order 5 working days ago, but when I go to collect it'll always be '20 to 30 minutes'.
Hah. I walked out of my local pharmacy in a bit of a huff yesterday. It's only a small place, and when I walked in there were two people in front of me so I stood away to the side, so as to give people in front of me a reasonable amount of personal space and privacy. As these two people waited to be served their prescriptions - and it was all very very slow - one person after another started to come through the door into the shop, and the whole lot of them simply bunched together in the really small space between the door and the counter, forming a kind of small crowd. I couldn't help advising them - 'People, people, personal space' - and just left.
Post by: Drummond on April 27, 2023, 07:53:58 PM
Post by: Clampy on May 14, 2023, 09:34:38 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 23, 2023, 06:18:13 PM
Post by: Nev on May 23, 2023, 08:02:36 PM
Post by: amfy on May 26, 2023, 07:44:00 AM
Post by: Nev on May 26, 2023, 07:55:51 AM
That section will be closed to start work on Sunday. So this will be the first chance to see how difficult it’ll get if you don’t take this up. Interesting timing.
Exactly what I thought. We're just a pair of cynics.
Post by: Clampy on May 26, 2023, 08:15:08 AM
That section will be closed to start work on Sunday. So this will be the first chance to see how difficult it’ll get if you don’t take this up. Interesting timing.
They could have waited until after Sunday., that's a bit uneccesary really. One thing it will do I suppose is rake in a bit of cash when we hold concerts.i wonder if that was in mind when they thoight about it?
Post by: Bully2345 on May 26, 2023, 09:13:20 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 26, 2023, 09:14:47 AM
Thought I should look for this having posted on another thread. According to the MOMS podcast you are going to be able to jump the ST queue by purchasing a membership for this along with an ST for £1500.
£1,300 plus VAT, which shows the type of customer they're aiming for. Nobody's sure whether it's a season ticket or a ticket for every match but that wedge is getting less thin all the time.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 26, 2023, 09:20:03 AM
Thought I should look for this having posted on another thread. According to the MOMS podcast you are going to be able to jump the ST queue by purchasing a membership for this along with an ST for £1500.
And from their e-mail re closure of the mid concourse w/c's on Sat -
Ahead of Sunday's home fixture against Brighton work will begin to develop our iconic Holte End stand, ready to launch the new Terrace View space for the start of the 2023/24 season – an investment in our fan and stadium experience - and meet the requirements most important to you based on supporters’ feedback.
Absolute shameless bastards. Do they think we're fucking stupid? The net result for the vast majority will be less space and reduced facilities. C#nts. And now they're introducing a waiting list fast pass system to try and justify it?
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 26, 2023, 09:21:08 AM
It is looking more and more like exploitation and is contrary to the values this club has shown in the past.Thought I should look for this having posted on another thread. According to the MOMS podcast you are going to be able to jump the ST queue by purchasing a membership for this along with an ST for £1500.
£1,300 plus VAT, which shows the type of customer they're aiming for. Nobody's sure whether it's a season ticket or a ticket for every match but that wedge is getting less thin all the time.
Purslow again.
Post by: Risso on May 26, 2023, 09:28:21 AM
Club introduces measure to increase revenue.
"Not like that!"
Post by: AV82EC on May 26, 2023, 09:37:26 AM
"We need to increase turnover and be more sustainable"
Club introduces measure to increase revenue.
"Not like that!"
I have some sympathy with that viewpoint Risso, I’m just wondering if it’s really the right part of the ground for it though I suppose it’s really the only stand with currently available space to develop.
Post by: Drummond on May 26, 2023, 09:46:26 AM
"We need to increase turnover and be more sustainable"
Club introduces measure to increase revenue.
"Not like that!"
I have some sympathy with that viewpoint Risso, I’m just wondering if it’s really the right part of the ground for it though I suppose it’s really the only stand with currently available space to develop.
Without removing existing boxes it is.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 26, 2023, 09:47:55 AM
"We need to increase turnover and be more sustainable"It's the way they keep referring back to supporter feedback that pisses me of the most. They know full well when people said they wanted better facilities they didn't mean what they really wanted was less space and worse facilities unless they pay 500 quid.
Club introduces measure to increase revenue.
"Not like that!"
If you're going to bring in hospitality in the main fan terrance then just fucking do it if you have to. But don't pretend it's because this is what fans want.
Post by: Nev on May 26, 2023, 09:52:14 AM
I expect you will have a situation where a large number of people are squeezed into a smaller space while a larger area remains sparse. It's the introduction of first and second class areas, something that already exists everywhere else in the ground and is an important part of our commercial business but as I have said before, introducing it on the Holte is ripping the heart out of the most unique area of the ground.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on May 26, 2023, 09:56:28 AM
Thought I should look for this having posted on another thread. According to the MOMS podcast you are going to be able to jump the ST queue by purchasing a membership for this along with an ST for £1500.
£1,300 plus VAT, which shows the type of customer they're aiming for. Nobody's sure whether it's a season ticket or a ticket for every match but that wedge is getting less thin all the time.
Am I reading this right? A non-season ticket holder can stump up £1300 to guarantee a ticket to all home games and Holte Terrace membership, regardless of where they are in the season ticket queue?
Post by: chrisw1 on May 26, 2023, 09:58:33 AM
Post by: Bully2345 on May 26, 2023, 09:58:54 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 26, 2023, 10:06:26 AM
Thought I should look for this having posted on another thread. According to the MOMS podcast you are going to be able to jump the ST queue by purchasing a membership for this along with an ST for £1500.
£1,300 plus VAT, which shows the type of customer they're aiming for. Nobody's sure whether it's a season ticket or a ticket for every match but that wedge is getting less thin all the time.
Am I reading this right? A non-season ticket holder can stump up £1300 to guarantee a ticket to all home games and Holte Terrace membership, regardless of where they are in the season ticket queue?
Gosh if that is case , they would get booed to their seat :-\
Post by: chrisw1 on May 26, 2023, 10:29:50 AM
I think that's the suggestion. (£1,300 + VAT though). If it does happen I'd have to assume it wouldn't be a season ticket that they can keep and renew without the bar add on, more just buying a hospitality ticket for a single season. There really aren't many seats available in the Holte upper, but I guess they're hoping there will be relocations to the standing areas at the back.Thought I should look for this having posted on another thread. According to the MOMS podcast you are going to be able to jump the ST queue by purchasing a membership for this along with an ST for £1500.
£1,300 plus VAT, which shows the type of customer they're aiming for. Nobody's sure whether it's a season ticket or a ticket for every match but that wedge is getting less thin all the time.
Am I reading this right? A non-season ticket holder can stump up £1300 to guarantee a ticket to all home games and Holte Terrace membership, regardless of where they are in the season ticket queue?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on May 26, 2023, 10:35:59 AM
Post by: cdward on May 26, 2023, 10:59:13 AM
A few seasons ago when we were in the Championship, 4 of us (mixture of season ticket and non-season ticket holders) decided to splash out as a birthday treat and book into the Heineken Lounge for a match.
The experience was great, (couple of free beers), good bar, food before during and after the match, great seats, and we could stay in the lounge after full time for a few more beers. we even won 1-0 against Blackburn, Mings scored.
Since then we decided we should do it once a season as a treat, however every time we have tried we have been told it can't be booked. They ask how many games do we want it for, etc'.
It is clear the club is chasing the corporate clientele, that's where the money is. It's a shame because it was a really nice treat, and a different match day experience.
We did try the "Gaslamp Lounge" which wasn't as good.
Post by: rooboy316 on May 26, 2023, 11:45:30 AM
We did try the "Gaslamp Lounge" which wasn't as good.
Sounds like we are getting a gaslight lounge instead, this time!
Post by: Risso on May 26, 2023, 12:34:41 PM
I think we all know where this is going.
A few seasons ago when we were in the Championship, 4 of us (mixture of season ticket and non-season ticket holders) decided to splash out as a birthday treat and book into the Heineken Lounge for a match.
The experience was great, (couple of free beers), good bar, food before during and after the match, great seats, and we could stay in the lounge after full time for a few more beers. we even won 1-0 against Blackburn, Mings scored.
Since then we decided we should do it once a season as a treat, however every time we have tried we have been told it can't be booked. They ask how many games do we want it for, etc'.
It is clear the club is chasing the corporate clientele, that's where the money is. It's a shame because it was a really nice treat, and a different match day experience.
We did try the "Gaslamp Lounge" which wasn't as good.
It's purely down to supply and demand. When we were in the Championship you could get the hospitality for (relatively) next to nothing and they basically had to almost give it away for midweek games. Then when we got to the play off final, there was a surge in demand for places. When we won the play off final, the cost to take out a new place in hospitality was about £2K more each than it was if you'd put an order in before the play off final.
Now we're secure in the Premier League, there's a 30,000 waiting list. I guess one slightly tongue in cheek riposte to people moaning about the situation is "where were you when we were shit?!"
Post by: Skerra on May 26, 2023, 02:01:17 PM
Maybe, if they got their act together with serving generally, they could make a lot more money.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 26, 2023, 02:07:02 PM
"We need to increase turnover and be more sustainable"There are other ways of increasing revenue without being sinister. Why not improve the catering so that people could spend more in and around the stadium. Maybe better sponsorship deals, better merchandise to increase demand. Make the club membership proposition more apealing. No its aiming at soft targets and squeezing the pips.
Club introduces measure to increase revenue.
"Not like that!"
Post by: danno on July 28, 2023, 10:09:40 PM
So for £1300 (plus VAT) you can leap frog 30,000 people who are waiting to move up the ST list. This is starting to stink a bit.
I got the email and had a look, and the price for a terrace view season ticket is £1560 !
So minus the £480 that makes the seat you’re getting £1080.
Although as it’s allocated to you on best available basis you might end up in the rail seating.
How much is a season ticket in the upper holte? I didn’t think it was over a grand!
Post by: Dogtanian on July 28, 2023, 10:52:18 PM
So for £1300 (plus VAT) you can leap frog 30,000 people who are waiting to move up the ST list. This is starting to stink a bit.
I got the email and had a look, and the price for a terrace view season ticket is £1560 !
So minus the £480 that makes the seat you’re getting £1080.
Although as it’s allocated to you on best available basis you might end up in the rail seating.
How much is a season ticket in the upper holte? I didn’t think it was over a grand!
Mine in K4 is £779, but match by match the ticket price would be £1,080…
Post by: danno on July 28, 2023, 10:56:22 PM
So for £1300 (plus VAT) you can leap frog 30,000 people who are waiting to move up the ST list. This is starting to stink a bit.
I got the email and had a look, and the price for a terrace view season ticket is £1560 !
So minus the £480 that makes the seat you’re getting £1080.
Although as it’s allocated to you on best available basis you might end up in the rail seating.
How much is a season ticket in the upper holte? I didn’t think it was over a grand!
Mine in K4 is £779, but match by match the ticket price would be £1,080…
Well, that does explain the slow uptake!
Best of it is they want the whole lot upfront! 😂
And I received the email after I’d bought my ticket for Everton.
Post by: Dogtanian on July 28, 2023, 11:00:01 PM
Post by: danno on July 28, 2023, 11:11:25 PM
Tempted? I’m sure you wouldn’t have trouble selling the Everton ticket, or you could leave the seat empty to excite a certain Bedrock chap. 8)
If it was the £1260 it would be for existing season ticket holders I’d at least consider it.
Average £66 quid a game, (2x pints £10? Programme £3.50)
I mean it’s £52 a ticket then.
But £1560? Upfront? Hard Pass
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 14, 2023, 08:14:50 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/KwdqRJ5/Screenshot-20230814-201222.png) (https://ibb.co/KwdqRJ5)
photo of the terrace view sent by my lad, not very good at this technology thing
Post by: Flin5tone on August 15, 2023, 07:26:09 AM
Post by: Bad English on August 15, 2023, 07:50:37 AM
So it looks like the T won't be repaired before our game live on TV Sunday. EmbarrassingTsk! Obviously that is going to cost us points, and worsen our goal difference.
Post by: Bad English on August 15, 2023, 07:57:20 AM
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Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 15, 2023, 08:02:57 AM
So it looks like the T won't be repaired before our game live on TV Sunday. Embarrassing
It’ll really ruin my weekend.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 15, 2023, 08:11:48 AM
And anyone who’s prepared to pay for the privilege of entering a bar for said experience has more money than sense and is from the shires. It reminds me of that scene in the David Bowie episode of Extras where they pay £20 to a bouncer just to sit the other side of the rope but still in full view of the ordinary punters.
Post by: dekko on August 15, 2023, 08:16:23 AM
One thing I’ve never really understood and I may be in a minority here is the clamour to get a beer inside the ground. It’s usually a shit beer from a shit brand with shit plastic glasses and ridiculously overpriced.
And anyone who’s prepared to pay for the privilege of entering a bar for said experience has more money than sense and is from the shires. It reminds me of that scene in the David Bowie episode of Extras where they pay £20 to a bouncer just to sit the other side of the rope but still in full view of the ordinary punters.
If you take into account that you'll be in the ground for a couple of hours, plus travel either side, you can easily end up with a 3 hour gap between beers if you dont have one inside the ground.
I realise now typing that out that it makes me seem like a degenerate pisshead but there you go.
Post by: Clampy on August 15, 2023, 08:20:02 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 15, 2023, 08:21:54 AM
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2023, 08:51:52 AM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 15, 2023, 08:56:30 AM
People having been drinking beer at football matches since Adam was a lad. If they want one, it shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of a club to serve them. There's a huge captive audience there, ready and willing to pay eye watering prices for rubbish. Most businesses would be rubbing their hands at that.
Actually, when did drinking beer inside football grounds become a thing? I don't remember it in the '70s or the '80s.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 15, 2023, 09:09:08 AM
People having been drinking beer at football matches since Adam was a lad. If they want one, it shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of a club to serve them. There's a huge captive audience there, ready and willing to pay eye watering prices for rubbish. Most businesses would be rubbing their hands at that.
I remember about 2010/11 (ish) there was a guy who had a keg of lager strapped on his back, and you could wave him down and he would pour you a pint. It was probably £4 back then. I thought that worked really well.
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 15, 2023, 09:17:00 AM
As long I get my seat,I couldn't give a monkey's,So it looks like the T won't be repaired before our game live on TV Sunday. Embarrassing
It’ll really ruin my weekend.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 15, 2023, 09:29:42 AM
Post by: Nev on August 15, 2023, 09:44:37 AM
Some of us don't get the chance to meet up prior to getting into the ground so having a beer together is a social thing, and expecting a decent level of service is not asking for the earth.
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2023, 09:47:48 AM
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 15, 2023, 09:49:28 AM
It's come to something when just the thought of a simple refreshment before the match or at half time seems a fanciful idea.
Some of us don't get the chance to meet up prior to getting into the ground so having a beer together is a social thing, and expecting a decent level of service is not asking for the earth.
Exactly. For one of the Sunday 2pm kick offs last season we went straight to VP from my son’s football game. As we hadn’t eaten we went to that chicken & chips place in the Upper Holte. Started queuing 25 minutes before KO, and took our seats (food in hand) just as the game kicked off.
Post by: Dr Butler on August 15, 2023, 10:37:41 AM
I will report back to the class after the game on the view etc
UTV
The Doc
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 15, 2023, 10:40:00 AM
People having been drinking beer at football matches since Adam was a lad. If they want one, it shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of a club to serve them. There's a huge captive audience there, ready and willing to pay eye watering prices for rubbish. Most businesses would be rubbing their hands at that.
I remember about 2010/11 (ish) there was a guy who had a keg of lager strapped on his back, and you could wave him down and he would pour you a pint. It was probably £4 back then. I thought that worked really well.
It worked great as well. I wonder why it stopped?
Post by: Clampy on August 15, 2023, 10:52:07 AM
People having been drinking beer at football matches since Adam was a lad. If they want one, it shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of a club to serve them. There's a huge captive audience there, ready and willing to pay eye watering prices for rubbish. Most businesses would be rubbing their hands at that.
I remember about 2010/11 (ish) there was a guy who had a keg of lager strapped on his back, and you could wave him down and he would pour you a pint. It was probably £4 back then. I thought that worked really well.
It worked great as well. I wonder why it stopped?
Maybe he drank too it all himself.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 15, 2023, 10:52:51 AM
People having been drinking beer at football matches since Adam was a lad. If they want one, it shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of a club to serve them. There's a huge captive audience there, ready and willing to pay eye watering prices for rubbish. Most businesses would be rubbing their hands at that.
I remember about 2010/11 (ish) there was a guy who had a keg of lager strapped on his back, and you could wave him down and he would pour you a pint. It was probably £4 back then. I thought that worked really well.
It worked great as well. I wonder why it stopped?
Maybe he drank too it all himself.
One for you, one for me :)
Post by: Clampy on August 15, 2023, 11:00:51 AM
People having been drinking beer at football matches since Adam was a lad. If they want one, it shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of a club to serve them. There's a huge captive audience there, ready and willing to pay eye watering prices for rubbish. Most businesses would be rubbing their hands at that.
I remember about 2010/11 (ish) there was a guy who had a keg of lager strapped on his back, and you could wave him down and he would pour you a pint. It was probably £4 back then. I thought that worked really well.
It worked great as well. I wonder why it stopped?
Maybe he drank it all himself.
One for you, one for me :)
Post by: Des Little on August 15, 2023, 11:20:23 AM
People having been drinking beer at football matches since Adam was a lad. If they want one, it shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of a club to serve them. There's a huge captive audience there, ready and willing to pay eye watering prices for rubbish. Most businesses would be rubbing their hands at that.
I remember about 2010/11 (ish) there was a guy who had a keg of lager strapped on his back, and you could wave him down and he would pour you a pint. It was probably £4 back then. I thought that worked really well.
The stewards made him take the lid off his keg, so all the beer went flat.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2023, 12:48:13 PM
Post by: London Villan on August 15, 2023, 01:07:12 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on August 15, 2023, 01:38:21 PM
It's not just getting a beer in any case, it's getting served anything.
As I’ve mentioned before the system they introduced in the Lower Holte seemed to work well. Basically order and pay for your stuff at a terminal then collect from the bar. We normally drink in a pub but used it a couple of times for an evening game or an early kick off and it’s perfectly fine. My assumption was that they would roll that out to the rest of the stadium.
Post by: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 01:59:42 PM
They used to do this in the lower Trinity for your fancy coffees - capuccino, late etc.It's not just getting a beer in any case, it's getting served anything.
As I’ve mentioned before the system they introduced in the Lower Holte seemed to work well. Basically order and pay for your stuff at a terminal then collect from the bar. We normally drink in a pub but used it a couple of times for an evening game or an early kick off and it’s perfectly fine. My assumption was that they would roll that out to the rest of the stadium.
So instead of one long slow snaking queue , you could experience 2 of them. It didn't work .
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2023, 02:01:30 PM
They used to do this in the lower Trinity for your fancy coffees - capuccino, late etc.
They are very much still late with whatever you buy ;-)
Post by: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 02:03:26 PM
serves them all right down there . Bloody Daily Mail readersThey used to do this in the lower Trinity for your fancy coffees - capuccino, late etc.
They are very much still late with whatever you buy ;-)
Post by: Chris Smith on August 15, 2023, 04:59:32 PM
They used to do this in the lower Trinity for your fancy coffees - capuccino, late etc.It's not just getting a beer in any case, it's getting served anything.
As I’ve mentioned before the system they introduced in the Lower Holte seemed to work well. Basically order and pay for your stuff at a terminal then collect from the bar. We normally drink in a pub but used it a couple of times for an evening game or an early kick off and it’s perfectly fine. My assumption was that they would roll that out to the rest of the stadium.
So instead of one long slow snaking queue , you could experience 2 of them. It didn't work .
Serves people right for drinking ‘fancy coffee’’.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 15, 2023, 05:31:16 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 15, 2023, 05:39:03 PM
Post by: AV82EC on August 15, 2023, 05:40:57 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 05:53:22 PM
I’m still of the view that the Upper Trinity Concourse is the worst for queueing. The Witton Lane is the worst for space.The Witton upper queues are ridiculous. No doubt Sunday it will be one long queue again like they're lining up to get in a concert . Then someone will have to explain that's not how it's done.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2023, 07:12:06 PM
I’m still of the view that the Upper Trinity Concourse is the worst for queueing. The Witton Lane is the worst for space.
Yeah at least in the UT there is room for a queue.
Post by: AV82EC on August 15, 2023, 07:55:14 PM
I’m still of the view that the Upper Trinity Concourse is the worst for queueing. The Witton Lane is the worst for space.
Yeah at least in the UT there is room for a queue.
Barely. Isn’t it also the largest of our spaces with over 9000 seats? It just isn’t big enough for that many people.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 15, 2023, 08:02:35 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on August 15, 2023, 08:05:10 PM
I wonder what the refreshment offerings were when we got 76k back in 1946.
None and you pissed in your mates pocket. So the legend goes
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 15, 2023, 08:11:52 PM
I wonder what the refreshment offerings were when we got 76k back in 1946.
None and you pissed in your mates pocket. So the legend goes
1946 we were into 7 years of rationing, with another 6 or 7 to go.
People were used to being hungry.
Post by: VillaTim on August 15, 2023, 09:24:00 PM
Post by: Border villan on August 15, 2023, 09:39:18 PM
I wonder what the refreshment offerings were when we got 76k back in 1946.
None and you pissed in your mates pocket. So the legend goes
1946 we were into 7 years of rationing, with another 6 or 7 to go.
People were used to being hungry.
Plus the rationing made them thinner so you could squeeze more in.
Post by: artvandelay on August 16, 2023, 11:54:44 AM
Post by: eamonn on August 16, 2023, 12:01:25 PM
I wonder what the refreshment offerings were when we got 76k back in 1946.
None and you pissed in your mates pocket. So the legend goes
1946 we were into 7 years of rationing, with another 6 or 7 to go.
People were used to being hungry.
Plus the rationing made them thinner so you could squeeze more in.
Basically, they really were the good old days/"marvellous times".
Post by: adrenachrome on August 16, 2023, 12:50:10 PM
I’m still of the view that the Upper Trinity Concourse is the worst for queueing. The Witton Lane is the worst for space.
Yeah at least in the UT there is room for a queue.
Based.
Post by: VillaTim on August 16, 2023, 01:21:17 PM
So there's 92 tickets available on the website for the Terrace View for the Everton game for £114. With a face value ticket being £45.50, I think this is £69.50 for two pints and a programme? And not having the ability to choose your seat. There's a reduced rate of £96 for under 14s, which means that if you're 15-18 I guess you can't get your pints but still have to pay full price?so basically £34 for a pint of Carling in a wobbly cup
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 16, 2023, 02:46:16 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on August 16, 2023, 03:29:03 PM
if these go unsold , would they just leave them to be empty or put them on sale ?
Absolute nonsense
Post by: VillaTim on August 16, 2023, 03:37:15 PM
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2023, 06:16:36 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 20, 2023, 06:56:57 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 21, 2023, 08:45:33 AM
There seemed to be a lot of hostility to it generally walking round the concourses. For me the main issues are:
1. They have done absolutely nothing to mitigate the reduced space and facilities for the remaining 80% Not a single extra bar or outlet, no fast pourers nothing. It was a 10 minute queue for a piss at half time. They could build an extra bar in the upper area and fit extra urinals in the lower concourse w/c's but haven't bothered.
2. The fact that there are no member / general sale tickets in the Holte upper available because they are being held back for TV is a big problem.
Post by: dorsetvillian on August 21, 2023, 09:01:17 AM
Post by: Nev on August 21, 2023, 09:17:25 AM
Whatever is happening with the Holte Suite, having a money making facility as large as that out of use is awful. Something is terribly wrong with the management of the facilities.
Post by: Axl Rose on August 21, 2023, 09:19:22 AM
The general state of the Upper Holte was awful. Alongside the blocked toilets, the floor was filthy, the paintwork on the girders peeling away and the screen end overlooking Aston Park covered in dust, debris and cobwebs. I didn't attempt to buy anything but did notice that the lights were off on the dedicated Purity Bar so that looked shut.
Whatever is happening with the Holte Suite, having a money making facility as large as that out of use is awful. Something is terribly wrong with the management of the facilities.
Spoke to a mate last night after the game, and almost word for word echoed what you've written, Nev.
I wonder why all of this has been allowed to happen, and how it can be fixed?
Post by: Clampy on August 21, 2023, 09:20:19 AM
Post by: DeKuip on August 21, 2023, 09:25:08 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 21, 2023, 09:26:44 AM
They managed to achieve smaller queues in the Trinity by charging £6.30 a pint.They're playing 4D chess right there.
Post by: Mister E on August 21, 2023, 09:27:08 AM
The general state of the Upper Holte was awful. Alongside the blocked toilets, the floor was filthy, the paintwork on the girders peeling away and the screen end overlooking Aston Park covered in dust, debris and cobwebs. I didn't attempt to buy anything but did notice that the lights were off on the dedicated Purity Bar so that looked shut.Yep. As an Upper-Holte STH, it felt to me that they are deliberately running things down, perhaps in order to push more people into the TV. I can't honesty believe they would do that, but it feels that way.
Whatever is happening with the Holte Suite, having a money making facility as large as that out of use is awful. Something is terribly wrong with the management of the facilities.
In my commercial experience, if an organisation wants to introduce a premium product, the starting point is to make the 'standard' service really good - in this case, decent toilets, good consumable product, great kiosk service, etc. Then, when you bring in the premium product the audience will trust you to make it great value and assured quality. At the moment, Villa is (are, for those who prefer) failing on all counts. Very sad.
Post by: Mister E on August 21, 2023, 09:28:45 AM
Post by: London Villan on August 21, 2023, 12:22:52 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 21, 2023, 12:47:29 PM
I'm sure this is the reason the roof has been taken off the dugout. It's a great view and allowed for interaction with the players. That is surely why they are going to be able to charge a premium for those seats in the coming seasons.can't see them leaving it this way due to weather conditions, can't have footballers getting wet and cold
Post by: john e on August 21, 2023, 12:53:36 PM
I thought it was going to be a proper eyesore but in fairness it wasn’t too bad
Post by: Dr Butler on August 21, 2023, 12:57:18 PM
It did not seem that busy on the concourses in the Lower Holte and as for the Terrace View it did not really impact my view etc even though I am very close to the left of it as you look at it from the pitch.
The windows that were behind me have been removed and bricked up.
Let's hope the club can sort some of these problems out for the fans as it is not a cheap day out anymore.
UTV
The Doc
Post by: UK Redsox on August 21, 2023, 01:03:51 PM
I'm sure this is the reason the roof has been taken off the dugout. It's a great view and allowed for interaction with the players. That is surely why they are going to be able to charge a premium for those seats in the coming seasons.
This is where I sit.
My comment was that it was the first step towards gentrification and us being priced out of the section.
There's got to be a temporary roof to go back on the dugout, or else they'll get soaked
Post by: London Villan on August 21, 2023, 01:06:45 PM
Post by: danno on August 21, 2023, 01:11:10 PM
The place I went last season (spurs game) for a pie is now a “collection point”.
Not a big deal really, but it appeared that there was only the one place to go and get food.
Post by: UK Redsox on August 21, 2023, 01:16:28 PM
The only change in the lower Trinity was a new non-slip covering on the steps... The toilets were horrendous by the sounds of things.
If you want crappy toilets, look no further than those at One Stop Perry Barr
I thought that they'd be sorted out before the Commonwealth Games, but all they did was put a new bucket under the worst leaking urinal.
Once cubicle has been out of order since part way through last season
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 21, 2023, 01:49:08 PM
I wonder what the refreshment offerings were when we got 76k back in 1946.
None and you pissed in your mates pocket. So the legend goes
well it keeps them warm
Post by: nick harper on August 21, 2023, 01:56:05 PM
It does seem that with full houses and waiting lists seemingly guaranteed at the moment, there is no motivation for the club to improve facilities for most fans and that is really poor given the spiralling costs. Basic service initiatives and acceptable toilet facilities should be the bare minimum but they are seemingly unwilling to even aspire to that.
I should also mention the inability to get people in the ground quickly and efficiently on the Witton Lane is embarrassing these days. 15/20 min queues for the upper tier and the Everton fans were inadvertently blocking the whole road due to how slow it was. It seems to get worse every year. Is it like that elsewhere?
Post by: Fasth56 on August 21, 2023, 02:02:34 PM
Post by: luke95 on August 21, 2023, 02:58:21 PM
It was noticeable how big/long the queues were to get in on Trinity Rd & North Upper at around 1-40 not seen it that hectic for some time.
I should also mention the inability to get people in the ground quickly and efficiently on the Witton Lane is embarrassing these days. 15/20 min queues for the upper tier and the Everton fans were inadvertently blocking the whole road due to how slow it was. It seems to get worse every year. Is it like that elsewhere?
Post by: Nev on August 21, 2023, 03:19:04 PM
It was noticeable how big/long the queues were to get in on Trinity Rd & North Upper at around 1-40 not seen it that hectic for some time.
I should also mention the inability to get people in the ground quickly and efficiently on the Witton Lane is embarrassing these days. 15/20 min queues for the upper tier and the Everton fans were inadvertently blocking the whole road due to how slow it was. It seems to get worse every year. Is it like that elsewhere?
There always seem to be queues for the Lower Trinity by Aston Park and they were long yesterday. I had to queue for the UH but I think many people watched the WCF so arrived later than usual.
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 21, 2023, 03:20:22 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on August 21, 2023, 03:27:02 PM
It was noticeable how big/long the queues were to get in on Trinity Rd & North Upper at around 1-40 not seen it that hectic for some time.
I should also mention the inability to get people in the ground quickly and efficiently on the Witton Lane is embarrassing these days. 15/20 min queues for the upper tier and the Everton fans were inadvertently blocking the whole road due to how slow it was. It seems to get worse every year. Is it like that elsewhere?
There always seem to be queues for the Lower Trinity by Aston Park and they were long yesterday. I had to queue for the UH but I think many people watched the WCF so arrived later than usual.
Talking of the WCF, I wonder which bright spark decided to set up the big TV screen in direct line of the sun.
It was far better going into the ground and watching on the regular big screens
Post by: DeKuip on August 21, 2023, 04:05:42 PM
Post by: Gareth on August 21, 2023, 04:14:52 PM
It was noticeable how big/long the queues were to get in on Trinity Rd & North Upper at around 1-40 not seen it that hectic for some time.
I should also mention the inability to get people in the ground quickly and efficiently on the Witton Lane is embarrassing these days. 15/20 min queues for the upper tier and the Everton fans were inadvertently blocking the whole road due to how slow it was. It seems to get worse every year. Is it like that elsewhere?
There always seem to be queues for the Lower Trinity by Aston Park and they were long yesterday. I had to queue for the UH but I think many people watched the WCF so arrived later than usual.
Talking of the WCF, I wonder which bright spark decided to set up the big TV screen in direct line of the sun.
It was far better going into the ground and watching on the regular big screens
The original big screen wouldn’t have worked for the size of the crowd with the trees in the way…fortunately the one on the stage did the job…amused me that there was always a 3 to 4 second delay between the two screens though
Post by: spartacuss on August 21, 2023, 04:15:46 PM
If I had had a decibel app on my phone and recorded it, I suspect that the ear-bleeding level pumping out yesterday was way over any safe level. Basic 'duty-of-care' issue here and easy to fix.
Anyone know the best contact at VP to let them know?
Post by: Nev on August 21, 2023, 05:06:05 PM
Post by: Mister E on August 21, 2023, 05:06:54 PM
Superb as the game on the pitch was yesterday, I'll join in the off-the-pitch whinge... What bright spark has turned up the P.A. TO 11? It was absolutely deafening and the 'messages' couldn't be heard for the sheer blitz of sound.Totally agree; soooo annoying.
If I had had a decibel app on my phone and recorded it, I suspect that the ear-bleeding level pumping out yesterday was way over any safe level. Basic 'duty-of-care' issue here and easy to fix.
Anyone know the best contact at VP to let them know?
Post by: DeKuip on August 21, 2023, 06:16:31 PM
Superb as the game on the pitch was yesterday, I'll join in the off-the-pitch whinge... What bright spark has turned up the P.A. TO 11? It was absolutely deafening and the 'messages' couldn't be heard for the sheer blitz of sound.The only person capable of getting anything sorted out down there these days is
If I had had a decibel app on my phone and recorded it, I suspect that the ear-bleeding level pumping out yesterday was way over any safe level. Basic 'duty-of-care' issue here and easy to fix.
Anyone know the best contact at VP to let them know?
Unai.emery@avfc.co.uk
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 21, 2023, 06:50:53 PM
very goodSuperb as the game on the pitch was yesterday, I'll join in the off-the-pitch whinge... What bright spark has turned up the P.A. TO 11? It was absolutely deafening and the 'messages' couldn't be heard for the sheer blitz of sound.The only person capable of getting anything sorted out down there these days is
If I had had a decibel app on my phone and recorded it, I suspect that the ear-bleeding level pumping out yesterday was way over any safe level. Basic 'duty-of-care' issue here and easy to fix.
Anyone know the best contact at VP to let them know?
Unai.emery@avfc.co.uk
Post by: frank black on August 21, 2023, 07:41:46 PM
Did we get a bluenose plumber in over the closed season? It was shocking in the lower Trinity, vile stuff.
Post by: UK Redsox on August 21, 2023, 08:12:02 PM
Superb as the game on the pitch was yesterday, I'll join in the off-the-pitch whinge... What bright spark has turned up the P.A. TO 11? It was absolutely deafening and the 'messages' couldn't be heard for the sheer blitz of sound.
If I had had a decibel app on my phone and recorded it, I suspect that the ear-bleeding level pumping out yesterday was way over any safe level. Basic 'duty-of-care' issue here and easy to fix.
Anyone know the best contact at VP to let them know?
I’m with you on this. The volume of the music at HT made it very difficult to hold a conversation
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 21, 2023, 08:19:27 PM
Superb as the game on the pitch was yesterday, I'll join in the off-the-pitch whinge... What bright spark has turned up the P.A. TO 11? It was absolutely deafening and the 'messages' couldn't be heard for the sheer blitz of sound.
If I had had a decibel app on my phone and recorded it, I suspect that the ear-bleeding level pumping out yesterday was way over any safe level. Basic 'duty-of-care' issue here and easy to fix.
Anyone know the best contact at VP to let them know?
I’m with you on this. The volume of the music at HT made it very difficult to hold a conversation
I tend to go down to the lower holte concourse at half time, but just before kick off the noise from the tannoy/music, its just nonsensical. Rather than enhancing the atmosphere it actually completely nullifies the build up of noise and singing from the crowd, utterly brainless.
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 21, 2023, 09:00:02 PM
They must think everyone deafSuperb as the game on the pitch was yesterday, I'll join in the off-the-pitch whinge... What bright spark has turned up the P.A. TO 11? It was absolutely deafening and the 'messages' couldn't be heard for the sheer blitz of sound.
If I had had a decibel app on my phone and recorded it, I suspect that the ear-bleeding level pumping out yesterday was way over any safe level. Basic 'duty-of-care' issue here and easy to fix.
Anyone know the best contact at VP to let them know?
I’m with you on this. The volume of the music at HT made it very difficult to hold a conversation
I tend to go down to the lower holte concourse at half time, but just before kick off the noise from the tannoy/music, its just nonsensical. Rather than enhancing the atmosphere it actually completely nullifies the build up of noise and singing from the crowd, utterly brainless.
Post by: Bad English on August 21, 2023, 10:12:12 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 21, 2023, 10:17:36 PM
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 21, 2023, 10:52:07 PM
We often drink in the Trinity car park bar but had a couple of pints in town in the Windsor since the WCF was on. I don’t think I’ve had a pint in Villa Park in 20 years as the experience has always been abysmal.
I’ve generally sat in K4-K5 over the past decade but that is no longer possible so was in the Holte lower, L7 yesterday. The entrance queue was slow but the toilets seemed fine. The half time queue for food and drink was crazy, despite people heading there on 35 minutes, meaning 20 minutes before half time. Apparently that wasn’t enough to get served for many. We must be turning away millions in lost F&B sales every season.
Post by: VillaTim on August 21, 2023, 11:12:25 PM
If ever I do have food it's AliBabaas chippy near the school (surprisingly decent) and the offy next door if you want any cans
Post by: Gareth on August 21, 2023, 11:34:12 PM
I'm Witton upper which is obviously a well known joke in terms of facilities so I always try and go fed and watered .
If ever I do have food it's AliBabaas chippy near the school (surprisingly decent) and the offy next door if you want any cans
You can’t complain about our facilities in Witton Upper, they’ve painted the steps with the non slip paint surely that is worth the price hike alone? Non league stand with a brilliant view of what matters…but far enough away from any decision maker at the club to ensure they’ll never see how grim a stand it is.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 22, 2023, 08:51:48 AM
Superb as the game on the pitch was yesterday, I'll join in the off-the-pitch whinge... What bright spark has turned up the P.A. TO 11? It was absolutely deafening and the 'messages' couldn't be heard for the sheer blitz of sound.
Couldn’t agree more, it annoys me far more than it really should. It kills the pre and post match atmosphere, especially after a win. Also I find it near impossible to hear what others are saying in a conversation.
It really, really pisses me off.
Post by: avfc456 on August 22, 2023, 01:39:51 PM
I'm Witton upper which is obviously a well known joke in terms of facilities so I always try and go fed and watered .
If ever I do have food it's AliBabaas chippy near the school (surprisingly decent) and the offy next door if you want any cans
Exactly what I do, not a chance I will spend in the ground when I can have a few pint cans/bottles for a couple of pounds each. Chippy is underated also
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 22, 2023, 02:22:38 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on August 22, 2023, 02:47:33 PM
I’m still of the view that the Upper Trinity Concourse is the worst for queueing. The Witton Lane is the worst for space.
I agree. I very unusually went for a soft drink before half time on Sunday, on around 42 mins. The 9 mins injury time had gone before I got it. It made me remember why I don't bother. Whilst I imagine theres lots of new staff for an opening game, the staff training is clearly awful. One girl taking the order, a lad going and collecting it. But she would then wait until he'd brought whatever the order was until taking the next order.
Also a extra large queue to get in on Sunday, and I as there 40 mins before kick off.
Post by: Des Little on August 22, 2023, 08:45:50 PM
I'm Witton upper which is obviously a well known joke in terms of facilities so I always try and go fed and watered .
If ever I do have food it's AliBabaas chippy near the school (surprisingly decent) and the offy next door if you want any cans
Exactly what I do, not a chance I will spend in the ground when I can have a few pint cans/bottles for a couple of pounds each. Chippy is underated also
Same here, can’t bring myself to pay (or queue) to get into a pub - and definitely not spend a large chunk of time stood in a queue in the concourse either.
Post by: VillaTim on August 22, 2023, 08:59:16 PM
There's normally a queue at AliBabaas but it moves quickly as the place is well staffed and they work efficiently . It doesn't take them 4 mins to unscrew the top off a bottle for example while staring vacantly into spaceI'm Witton upper which is obviously a well known joke in terms of facilities so I always try and go fed and watered .
If ever I do have food it's AliBabaas chippy near the school (surprisingly decent) and the offy next door if you want any cans
Exactly what I do, not a chance I will spend in the ground when I can have a few pint cans/bottles for a couple of pounds each. Chippy is underated also
Same here, can’t bring myself to pay (or queue) to get into a pub - and definitely not spend a large chunk of time stood in a queue in the concourse either.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 22, 2023, 10:15:34 PM
There's normally a queue at AliBabaas but it moves quickly as the place is well staffed and they work efficiently . It doesn't take them 4 mins to unscrew the top off a bottle for example while staring vacantly into spaceI'm Witton upper which is obviously a well known joke in terms of facilities so I always try and go fed and watered .
If ever I do have food it's AliBabaas chippy near the school (surprisingly decent) and the offy next door if you want any cans
Exactly what I do, not a chance I will spend in the ground when I can have a few pint cans/bottles for a couple of pounds each. Chippy is underated also
Same here, can’t bring myself to pay (or queue) to get into a pub - and definitely not spend a large chunk of time stood in a queue in the concourse either.
Yes i do wonder what happy place they are when zoning out 😃
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 23, 2023, 08:02:02 AM
Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2023, 10:32:10 AM
Anyone happy to give up their seat for "the greater good"?
Post by: chrisw1 on August 23, 2023, 10:34:03 AM
Heck needs to "sit amongst us" for a game or two, to experience all these issues for himself to show what needs to be done.He needs to queue for a pint and a piss too. Then he'll understand.
Anyone happy to give up their seat for "the greater good"?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 23, 2023, 10:44:52 AM
Post by: UK Redsox on August 29, 2023, 04:38:11 PM
I've just had a reply to say that my comments will be passed on to the PA people
Post by: LeeB on August 29, 2023, 05:04:37 PM
I emailed the 'fancomplaints' address regarding the tannoy volume.
I've just had a reply to say that my comments will be passed on to the PA people
Hopefully not orally, just after the half time or full time whistles.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 29, 2023, 05:15:21 PM
I emailed the 'fancomplaints' address regarding the tannoy volume.
I've just had a reply to say that my comments will be passed on to the PA people
Hopefully not orally, just after the half time or full time whistles.
They refused to lower the volume but agreed to play Tangerine Dream after Hi Ho Silver Lining, so UKR was happy enough.
Post by: olaftab on August 29, 2023, 05:18:55 PM
Villa Mole, that’s a great idea.Paul, I often think about inadequate staffing and facilities at busy places. Why do businesses do that? When you have gone through the pain of setting yourself up as F&B provider than at least make sure you have adequate serving points and required staff to get the money in and eliminate long queuing. This in turn will encourage more people to to use the facility. You are absolutely right we must be not only turning away those queuing but also discouraging others to leave their seats.
We often drink in the Trinity car park bar but had a couple of pints in town in the Windsor since the WCF was on. I don’t think I’ve had a pint in Villa Park in 20 years as the experience has always been abysmal.
I’ve generally sat in K4-K5 over the past decade but that is no longer possible so was in the Holte lower, L7 yesterday. The entrance queue was slow but the toilets seemed fine. The half time queue for food and drink was crazy, despite people heading there on 35 minutes, meaning 20 minutes before half time. Apparently that wasn’t enough to get served for many. We must be turning away millions in lost F&B sales every season.
Post by: VillaTim on August 29, 2023, 05:21:46 PM
I emailed the 'fancomplaints' address regarding the tannoy volume.They'll probably crank it up to 11 for the next game now
I've just had a reply to say that my comments will be passed on to the PA people
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 29, 2023, 05:25:53 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on August 30, 2023, 02:25:27 AM
I emailed the 'fancomplaints' address regarding the tannoy volume.They'll probably crank it up to 11 for the next game now
I've just had a reply to say that my comments will be passed on to the PA people
Terrace View Patrons will be issued with luxury ear plugs and soothing massage relief on payment of a supplement. Top Tier Patrons will be able to get their ears waxed and their blood pressure checked.
Post by: Holte L2 on August 30, 2023, 08:17:24 AM
Heck needs to "sit amongst us" for a game or two, to experience all these issues for himself to show what needs to be done.
Anyone happy to give up their seat for "the greater good"?
Only on the basis that Heck has got a client reference so I won't get banned for giving him my stepsons season ticket.
Post by: Mister E on August 30, 2023, 08:39:05 AM
I emailed the 'fancomplaints' address regarding the tannoy volume.Thanks for the heads-up: I've just done the same.
I've just had a reply to say that my comments will be passed on to the PA people
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2023, 08:51:33 AM
I emailed the 'fancomplaints' address regarding the tannoy volume.
I've just had a reply to say that my comments will be passed on to the PA people
You mean public address system. Why are you all staring at me?
Post by: UK Redsox on August 30, 2023, 08:52:26 AM
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2023, 08:54:16 AM
Post by: Drummond on August 30, 2023, 09:46:17 AM
I emailed the 'fancomplaints' address regarding the tannoy volume.They'll probably crank it up to 11 for the next game now
I've just had a reply to say that my comments will be passed on to the PA people
Terrace View Patrons will be issued with luxury ear plugs and soothing massage relief on payment of a supplement. Top Tier Patrons will be able to get their ears waxed and their blood pressure checked.
They will be wanting extra wax putting in by the sounds of it.
Post by: Bad English on August 30, 2023, 10:38:19 AM
Post by: VillaTim on August 30, 2023, 10:49:22 AM
For anyone else who wants a moan about the tannoy, the email address is fancomplaints@avfc.co.ukcan we moan about Robin Olsen on that one aswell
Post by: danno on August 30, 2023, 02:13:40 PM
So expecting me to pay £300 extra for the exact same experience is gripe one.
Secondly on a match by match basis they’re selling seats in this eyesore for £114. Which over the season works out at £2166. I mean £114 for a league game?! That’s roughly £60 extra for two pints and a program.
Is it for the day tripper market? Because if I was on holiday abroad and likely never to be in the country again I can kind of imagine it. But for a typical fan the price points seem insane.
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 30, 2023, 02:22:15 PM
I’m bumping this topic because I’m still cheesed off about this. They offer this to me for £1560 pounds, which is £300 quid higher than any existing season ticket holder in the upper holte, who has paid to access the bar for the season.No fan allowed in the terrace view during the game I believe, unless someone knows different , should have added unless for disability reasons
So expecting me to pay £300 extra for the exact same experience is gripe one.
Secondly on a match by match basis they’re selling seats in this eyesore for £114. Which over the season works out at £2166. I mean £114 for a league game?! That’s roughly £60 extra for two pints and a program.
Is it for the day tripper market? Because if I was on holiday abroad and likely never to be in the country again I can kind of imagine it. But for a typical fan the price points seem insane.
Post by: danno on August 30, 2023, 02:38:10 PM
I’m bumping this topic because I’m still cheesed off about this. They offer this to me for £1560 pounds, which is £300 quid higher than any existing season ticket holder in the upper holte, who has paid to access the bar for the season.No fan allowed in the terrace view during the game I believe, unless someone knows different , should have added unless for disability reasons
So expecting me to pay £300 extra for the exact same experience is gripe one.
Secondly on a match by match basis they’re selling seats in this eyesore for £114. Which over the season works out at £2166. I mean £114 for a league game?! That’s roughly £60 extra for two pints and a program.
Is it for the day tripper market? Because if I was on holiday abroad and likely never to be in the country again I can kind of imagine it. But for a typical fan the price points seem insane.
I think it’s just a bar for pre match, half time and full time. You still sit in the same upper holte seats as everyone else. You just have a dorky looking lanyard around your neck.
Post by: VillaTim on August 30, 2023, 03:34:44 PM
Post by: artvandelay on August 30, 2023, 04:43:24 PM
Initially offered as a £480 add on to Season Ticket Holders in the Upper Holte. This would turn my regular seat from £728 to £1,208. £25 per game extra. Total cost, £63.57 per game
The £1,560 'Season ticket' is the price of attending every match:
8 x Category A games at £63 per ticket = £504
11 x Category B games at £45.50 per ticket = £500.50
'Extra' amount charged is £555.50. Total cost, £82.10 per game.
Note that whilst this is a 'season ticket' it has none of the usual benefits attached to one, like choosing your seat, or relocating.
Finally, the club have decided to charge an arbitrary £69 extra per ticket on a match by match basis. Hence £114 for Palace and £96 for Hibs.
Do they really think there's a market for people to spend £69 extra to sit on a bench in a windowless (as the blinds are shut) room for 15 minutes at half time? Where's the number come from? Do they just think it's a funny number? The reduction in other catering facilities has surely cost them money, this can't offset it, especially with the capital expenditure required.
Post by: danno on August 30, 2023, 04:45:30 PM
Fair play though, your post was worded much better than mine.
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 30, 2023, 07:38:27 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on August 30, 2023, 07:55:37 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 30, 2023, 07:56:16 PM
Heaven forbid things start slipping on the pitch , we could eventually end up with some nice parts of the ground for everyone for free (not that i dont want success on the pitch)
Post by: DeKuip on August 30, 2023, 10:03:00 PM
The proof in the pudding as they say is if it's a commercial successHow much extra is pudding?
Post by: Villan For Life on August 30, 2023, 10:14:26 PM
The proof in the pudding as they say is if it's a commercial successHow much extra is pudding?
£17.50 or £235.50 if you have a pudding pass, £335.50 if you have a dessert pass.
Post by: VillaTim on August 31, 2023, 09:20:46 AM
think i'll passThe proof in the pudding as they say is if it's a commercial successHow much extra is pudding?
£17.50 or £235.50 if you have a pudding pass, £335.50 if you have a dessert pass.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 31, 2023, 03:08:05 PM
There are 469 seats available for tonight. 1 is £30.00 and the other 468 are £96.00. The fucking clowns.
I'd be entirely in agreement with Fred here - it's a disgrace. We have 460 good seats that have been held back from membership-paying fans in the hope of selling them at over 3 x face value of a match ticket.
Somebody should be sacked.
There are still people out there after seats. That's up to £14k of income they have pissed up the wall, plus any possible add-on spend.
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 31, 2023, 03:43:13 PM
Saw an excellent post on Twitter earlier, something along the lines ofUnless I am missing something they are only 3 tickets left according to the Villa website? Correction there is some in the terrace view section
There are 469 seats available for tonight. 1 is £30.00 and the other 468 are £96.00. The fucking clowns.
I'd be entirely in agreement with Fred here - it's a disgrace. We have 460 good seats that have been held back from membership-paying fans in the hope of selling them at over 3 x face value of a match ticket.
Somebody should be sacked.
There are still people out there after seats. That's up to £14k of income they have pissed up the wall, plus any possible add-on spend.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 31, 2023, 03:43:58 PM
Click The Terrace View button - it then says 460 availableSaw an excellent post on Twitter earlier, something along the lines ofUnless I am missing something they are only 3 tickets left according to the Villa website?
There are 469 seats available for tonight. 1 is £30.00 and the other 468 are £96.00. The fucking clowns.
I'd be entirely in agreement with Fred here - it's a disgrace. We have 460 good seats that have been held back from membership-paying fans in the hope of selling them at over 3 x face value of a match ticket.
Somebody should be sacked.
There are still people out there after seats. That's up to £14k of income they have pissed up the wall, plus any possible add-on spend.
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 31, 2023, 03:49:19 PM
And the club needs to be held accountable for it, considering it says tickets are in the region of £30, not £78_£96 as for the terrace viewClick The Terrace View button - it then says 460 availableSaw an excellent post on Twitter earlier, something along the lines ofUnless I am missing something they are only 3 tickets left according to the Villa website?
There are 469 seats available for tonight. 1 is £30.00 and the other 468 are £96.00. The fucking clowns.
I'd be entirely in agreement with Fred here - it's a disgrace. We have 460 good seats that have been held back from membership-paying fans in the hope of selling them at over 3 x face value of a match ticket.
Somebody should be sacked.
There are still people out there after seats. That's up to £14k of income they have pissed up the wall, plus any possible add-on spend.
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 31, 2023, 03:50:25 PM
Post by: Mister E on August 31, 2023, 03:53:34 PM
The proof in the pudding as they say is if it's a commercial successThe commercial faux pas in all this is: they need to sort out the basic service - general toilets, bar service, product-quality, etc - before trying to upsell at such hiked prices.
I despair of the off-field management (take a look at the commercial revenues over the last 25 years to get a sense of how far behind we are vs other clubs).
Post by: Nev on August 31, 2023, 03:54:20 PM
No general sale available, 468 Terrace View.
In a game like this is not a surprise but I would imagine the club is banking on those tickets being sold for most PL games, and a good proportion of Cup games for far more than they were sold for last season.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 31, 2023, 04:30:36 PM
No general sale available, 468 Terrace View.Now 457 seats. So in 40 minutes they have shifted 11 overpriced seats.
My maths is not brilliant, but selling all of them at less money, makes commercial sense, fills the ground, and suggests an interest in the fans (or 'consumer base' to use the language). UTV
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 31, 2023, 04:37:50 PM
did it straight away and edited it straight awayClick The Terrace View button - it then says 460 availableSaw an excellent post on Twitter earlier, something along the lines ofUnless I am missing something they are only 3 tickets left according to the Villa website?
There are 469 seats available for tonight. 1 is £30.00 and the other 468 are £96.00. The fucking clowns.
I'd be entirely in agreement with Fred here - it's a disgrace. We have 460 good seats that have been held back from membership-paying fans in the hope of selling them at over 3 x face value of a match ticket.
Somebody should be sacked.
There are still people out there after seats. That's up to £14k of income they have pissed up the wall, plus any possible add-on spend.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 31, 2023, 04:47:15 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 31, 2023, 05:43:26 PM
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Post by: London Villan on September 01, 2023, 09:38:56 AM
£4.50 for a small tray
£5.50 with curry sauce
Is it me or is that excessive? I stayed hungry and bought some for a couple of quid after the match.
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2023, 09:48:12 AM
Due to various things I had to grab something to eat at the ground last night. The hotdog I had outside was fine, but I fancied some chips in the ground.
£4.50 for a small tray
£5.50 with curry sauce
Is it me or is that excessive? I stayed hungry and bought some for a couple of quid after the match.
Yes, as is £5.25 for a bloody pie
Post by: Des Little on September 01, 2023, 09:54:13 AM
Post by: frank black on September 01, 2023, 09:56:12 AM
It’s definitely far better to get your food elsewhere, that’s for sure.
Post by: London Villan on September 01, 2023, 09:56:22 AM
The chips after the match we great though!
Post by: VillaTim on September 01, 2023, 12:31:21 PM
Due to various things I had to grab something to eat at the ground last night. The hotdog I had outside was fine, but I fancied some chips in the ground.You have to factor in the quality service and ambience of the surroundings. they should really be adding 12.5% service charge on all of the above :)
£4.50 for a small tray
£5.50 with curry sauce
Is it me or is that excessive? I stayed hungry and bought some for a couple of quid after the match.
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 02, 2023, 05:22:51 PM
There has to be some accountability down the line, as prices are going up whilst we are being treated with further contempt.
Post by: VillaTim on September 02, 2023, 10:13:28 PM
Post by: ez on September 03, 2023, 08:44:21 PM
Post by: Proposition Joe on September 06, 2023, 03:54:58 PM
Post by: LeeB on September 06, 2023, 04:05:16 PM
Is there still that daft law in place in the UK that says you are not allowed to see the pitch during the match while having an alcoholic beverage? If so, this Terrace View thing makes even less sense.
Yes.
Post by: jbw51269 on September 06, 2023, 04:12:47 PM
Just interested to know what anyone's experience is of the new terrace view ?
Post by: chrisw1 on September 06, 2023, 04:19:23 PM
Is there still that daft law in place in the UK that says you are not allowed to see the pitch during the match while having an alcoholic beverage? If so, this Terrace View thing makes even less sense.The 'Terrace' is the external terrace by the Holte steps.
The seats you can see are the premium accessible seating, I'm not sure there's a view onto the pitch for the every day punters in the bar. But in my mind it's clearly been designed to allow that in the future.
Post by: LeeB on September 06, 2023, 04:20:26 PM
Guys
Just interested to know what anyone's experience is of the new terrace view ?
Dude
I dunno, I sit in the North Stand
Post by: chrisw1 on September 06, 2023, 04:23:53 PM
GuysMy experience is it's severely reduced the facilities for everyone else in the upper Holte.
Just interested to know what anyone's experience is of the new terrace view ?
But tbf it does look like a decent space if that's your sort of thing. Don't expect premium seats for the game though, all the best seats in the Holte are already taken by ST holders, so people paying their £1,560 can be shoved anywhere - likely the back and wings.
Post by: Drummond on September 06, 2023, 04:24:48 PM
Guys
Just interested to know what anyone's experience is of the new terrace view ?
Dude
I dunno, I sit in the North Stand
Yeah man, but surely you can see it better than most from there.
Post by: jbw51269 on September 06, 2023, 04:32:43 PM
GuysMy experience is it's severely reduced the facilities for everyone else in the upper Holte.
Just interested to know what anyone's experience is of the new terrace view ?
But tbf it does look like a decent space if that's your sort of thing. Don't expect premium seats for the game though, all the best seats in the Holte are already taken by ST holders, so people paying their £1,560 can be shoved anywhere - likely the back and wings.
Thank you :)
Post by: VillaTim on September 06, 2023, 04:36:28 PM
Post by: LeeB on September 06, 2023, 04:37:55 PM
Guys
Just interested to know what anyone's experience is of the new terrace view ?
Dude
I dunno, I sit in the North Stand
Yeah man, but surely you can see it better than most from there.
It seems I'm paying the price for not heeding the warnings of excessive onanism, so I'm afraid not.
Post by: Bad English on September 06, 2023, 04:46:03 PM
GuysI have no words.
Post by: luke95 on September 06, 2023, 05:12:48 PM
Guys
HI Cliff !!
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 06, 2023, 05:22:29 PM
£350 for McGregor Lounge
£725 for Directors' Lounge
£768 for Lions' restaurant
Per person.
Who the fuck is paying that?
Post by: Risso on September 06, 2023, 05:58:47 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 06, 2023, 06:00:32 PM
Post by: Risso on September 06, 2023, 06:00:56 PM
Is there enough custom of that nature? Genuine question, I've no idea if these things sell out.
Yep, many times over.
Post by: frank black on September 06, 2023, 06:06:08 PM
GuysMy experience is it's severely reduced the facilities for everyone else in the upper Holte.
Just interested to know what anyone's experience is of the new terrace view ?
But tbf it does look like a decent space if that's your sort of thing. Don't expect premium seats for the game though, all the best seats in the Holte are already taken by ST holders, so people paying their £1,560 can be shoved anywhere - likely the back and wings.
Thank you :)
Careful! The club we see this as “feedback” and evict a section of the holte next season
Post by: chrisw1 on September 06, 2023, 06:07:51 PM
I'm pretty convinced that was already in the plan. Hopefully the push back will surprise them and they'll rein it in.GuysMy experience is it's severely reduced the facilities for everyone else in the upper Holte.
Just interested to know what anyone's experience is of the new terrace view ?
But tbf it does look like a decent space if that's your sort of thing. Don't expect premium seats for the game though, all the best seats in the Holte are already taken by ST holders, so people paying their £1,560 can be shoved anywhere - likely the back and wings.
Thank you :)
Careful! The club we see this as “feedback” and evict a section of the holte next season
Post by: amfy on September 06, 2023, 06:15:58 PM
This might not be the place for it but recently got quoted prices for hospitality.
£350 for McGregor Lounge
£725 for Directors' Lounge
£768 for Lions' restaurant
Per person.
Who the fuck is paying that?
I think those are some of the more expensive games. There are many games for £235 for the McGregor & 1982, which I know is still alot of money. To be honest I pay it once a season so I can take my dad who struggles with the steps without rails in the stands. It’s worth it to me to be able to still enjoy the odd game with him. People have lots of different reasons to go and for many it won’t be an ‘every game’ thing, although there are clearly a fair few for whom it is.
It does sell out. We have had times when we haven’t been able to get the match we wanted, or we’ve had the last couple of seats.
Post by: VillaTim on September 06, 2023, 06:22:57 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 06, 2023, 06:44:32 PM
I was lucky enough to be invited into the Directors Lounge last season . They do a 8 course tasting menu in there (or something along those lines) , kind of try to be like a pretentious top end restaurant but with average food and awful service . Not my cup of tea and i certainly wouldn't pay any of my own money to go there
I had you down as more of an average Joe rather than a corporate Bob, so disappointing to hear you didn't turn it down as a matter of principle. :(
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 06, 2023, 06:54:05 PM
This might not be the place for it but recently got quoted prices for hospitality.
£350 for McGregor Lounge
£725 for Directors' Lounge
£768 for Lions' restaurant
Per person.
Who the fuck is paying that?
I think those are some of the more expensive games. There are many games for £235 for the McGregor & 1982, which I know is still alot of money. To be honest I pay it once a season so I can take my dad who struggles with the steps without rails in the stands. It’s worth it to me to be able to still enjoy the odd game with him. People have lots of different reasons to go and for many it won’t be an ‘every game’ thing, although there are clearly a fair few for whom it is.
It does sell out. We have had times when we haven’t been able to get the match we wanted, or we’ve had the last couple of seats.
235 is more palatable but still a bit much in my opinion. This was for West Ham, which is a category B game. Are the corporate prices on a different scale do you know?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 06, 2023, 06:56:04 PM
This might not be the place for it but recently got quoted prices for hospitality.
£350 for McGregor Lounge
£725 for Directors' Lounge
£768 for Lions' restaurant
Per person.
Who the fuck is paying that?
Is that including VAT or excluding it?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 06, 2023, 06:58:24 PM
This might not be the place for it but recently got quoted prices for hospitality.
£350 for McGregor Lounge
£725 for Directors' Lounge
£768 for Lions' restaurant
Per person.
Who the fuck is paying that?
Is that including VAT or excluding it?
Including. They gave the prices excluding but you don't catch me out that easy.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 06, 2023, 07:02:27 PM
Is that including VAT or excluding it?
Including. They gave the prices excluding but you don't catch me out that easy.
I bet the Nigerian Princes don't even bother emailing you. :)
Post by: VillaTim on September 06, 2023, 07:18:39 PM
I am an average Joe, I only went once , i'm not in there every weekI was lucky enough to be invited into the Directors Lounge last season . They do a 8 course tasting menu in there (or something along those lines) , kind of try to be like a pretentious top end restaurant but with average food and awful service . Not my cup of tea and i certainly wouldn't pay any of my own money to go there
I had you down as more of an average Joe rather than a corporate Bob, so disappointing to hear you didn't turn it down as a matter of principle. :(
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 06, 2023, 07:24:32 PM
Is there still that daft law in place in the UK that says you are not allowed to see the pitch during the match while having an alcoholic beverage? If so, this Terrace View thing makes even less sense.The 'Terrace' is the external terrace by the Holte steps.
The seats you can see are the premium accessible seating, I'm not sure there's a view onto the pitch for the every day punters in the bar. But in my mind it's clearly been designed to allow that in the future.
There isn’t any “within sight of the pitch” booze rule for people in corporate or prestige areas - what do you think happens in executive boxes, for example? So they could do that now, no legal problems.
That’s a rule that only applies to us proles. The ordinary spectator.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 06, 2023, 07:26:16 PM
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The Terrace View is currently available to fans on the season ticket waiting list in the order which you joined - you will receive an email letting you know when you have access to purchase. It is also available for existing Holte End Upper season ticket holders to upgrade access.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 06, 2023, 07:29:12 PM
Everton LC gameQuoteThe Terrace View is currently available to fans on the season ticket waiting list in the order which you joined - you will receive an email letting you know when you have access to purchase. It is also available for existing Holte End Upper season ticket holders to upgrade access.
Seems fair enough.
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 06, 2023, 07:33:27 PM
Is there still that daft law in place in the UK that says you are not allowed to see the pitch during the match while having an alcoholic beverage? If so, this Terrace View thing makes even less sense.The 'Terrace' is the external terrace by the Holte steps.
The seats you can see are the premium accessible seating, I'm not sure there's a view onto the pitch for the every day punters in the bar. But in my mind it's clearly been designed to allow that in the future.
There isn’t any “within sight of the pitch” booze rule for people in corporate or prestige areas - what do you think happens in executive boxes, for example? So they could do that now, no legal problems.
That’s a rule that only applies to us proles. The ordinary spectator.
You can't drink in the boxes during the match.
Post by: Nev on September 06, 2023, 07:34:36 PM
I just wish it hadn't crept into the Holte.
Post by: amfy on September 06, 2023, 08:02:04 PM
Is there still that daft law in place in the UK that says you are not allowed to see the pitch during the match while having an alcoholic beverage? If so, this Terrace View thing makes even less sense.The 'Terrace' is the external terrace by the Holte steps.
The seats you can see are the premium accessible seating, I'm not sure there's a view onto the pitch for the every day punters in the bar. But in my mind it's clearly been designed to allow that in the future.
There isn’t any “within sight of the pitch” booze rule for people in corporate or prestige areas - what do you think happens in executive boxes, for example? So they could do that now, no legal problems.
That’s a rule that only applies to us proles. The ordinary spectator.
Not true. You can’t drink at the windows looking onto the pitch during the match. Much of the Villa Hospitality area doesn’t have a view of the pitch anyway (only the boxes)
We did hospitality at Preston recently and pre & post game we had panoramic view of the pitch, but they pulled all the blinds down about 10 minutes before kick off and we had to go out to our seats to watch the game. (At Preston - 4 of us did a hospitality package for about £360 all in!)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 06, 2023, 08:32:39 PM
Post by: Cleybrooke on September 13, 2023, 07:34:26 PM
Heineken Lounge was a little steep at £235 + VAT (two course meal and 2 drinks) so asked about bolting The Terrace View onto our season tickets as one off.
Vaguely Interested to see what its about as sort of “lets have look and see what you could have won” lottery dream.
Turns out no one has asked to do this yet and they don’t have a price on the system.
Can this be true?
Note: I’ve made it sound casual but so far its taken 3 emails and 4 phone calls and still not got anywhere…
Post by: Risso on September 13, 2023, 08:59:10 PM
Is there still that daft law in place in the UK that says you are not allowed to see the pitch during the match while having an alcoholic beverage? If so, this Terrace View thing makes even less sense.The 'Terrace' is the external terrace by the Holte steps.
The seats you can see are the premium accessible seating, I'm not sure there's a view onto the pitch for the every day punters in the bar. But in my mind it's clearly been designed to allow that in the future.
There isn’t any “within sight of the pitch” booze rule for people in corporate or prestige areas - what do you think happens in executive boxes, for example? So they could do that now, no legal problems.
That’s a rule that only applies to us proles. The ordinary spectator.
You can't drink in the boxes during the match.
You can inside if the blinds are shut.
Post by: trinityoap on September 13, 2023, 09:15:29 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 15, 2023, 12:13:33 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 15, 2023, 06:15:21 AM
Seems as though the Holte Suite will still be closed on a match day, no one seems to know why. It's in use on some non match days though so go figure.
Its the lack of clarity or communication from the club that ends up being the major problem, its how rumours start!
Post by: London Villan on September 15, 2023, 06:24:05 AM
Post by: Nev on September 15, 2023, 07:31:41 AM
Of course it's not free but it seems that where there is potential to wring money out of it, Villa will do it at the moment and they appear not to give a fuck about who it impacts.
Hope I'm wrong.
Post by: Ads on September 15, 2023, 07:48:58 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 15, 2023, 07:49:56 AM
I've made my feelings clear on the Palace match thread but to expand, I think someone has basically said "they're not having that for free" and shut it down on Matchday. Only they can't actually say that and haven't a plan for it's use so can't say anything really.
Of course it's not free but it seems that where there is potential to wring money out of it, Villa will do it at the moment and they appear not to give a fuck about who it impacts.
Hope I'm wrong.
I tend to agree this is where its heading, but as i said above we don’t really know anything until the moment it happens as the club doesn’t deem us worthy enough to communicate with.
Post by: Drummond on September 15, 2023, 10:45:41 AM
I've made my feelings clear on the Palace match thread but to expand, I think someone has basically said "they're not having that for free" and shut it down on Matchday. Only they can't actually say that and haven't a plan for it's use so can't say anything really.
Of course it's not free but it seems that where there is potential to wring money out of it, Villa will do it at the moment and they appear not to give a fuck about who it impacts.
Hope I'm wrong.
I tend to agree this is where its heading, but as i said above we don’t really know anything until the moment it happens as the club doesn’t deem us worthy enough to communicate with.
It's an odd one given that it's guaranteed revenue for them.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 15, 2023, 12:02:47 PM
I've made my feelings clear on the Palace match thread but to expand, I think someone has basically said "they're not having that for free" and shut it down on Matchday. Only they can't actually say that and haven't a plan for it's use so can't say anything really.Yep, it feels like they're trying to push people who need that sort of facility towards the Terrace View.
Of course it's not free but it seems that where there is potential to wring money out of it, Villa will do it at the moment and they appear not to give a fuck about who it impacts.
Hope I'm wrong.
Post by: adrenachrome on September 15, 2023, 11:11:46 PM
It's annoying that there are 100 seats unsold in the Holte because of the Terrace View packages.
You will be one with The Lanyard and The Velvet Rope.
Soon there will be embedded chip implants to enhance the Terrace View Experience.