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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Smirker on April 17, 2023, 03:42:54 PM
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As I have good form on these threads I thought I'd continue inspiring our team to victory by posting this one as well.
Saturday, 3om kick off.
I've added a poll 8)
FTF.
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1-3 to the Aston Villa steamroller. FTF!
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2-2
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As I have good form on these threads I thought I'd continue inspiring our team to victory by posting this one as well.
Don't even think of stopping!
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Tough game this but at the moment who knows?
Get in, controlled performance, 1 goal win, come home.
No drama, no fuss and let's batter Fulham
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1-1
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Same starting X1.
They deserve it.
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We won't lose. This is a manager who once went 22 unbeaten for the Arse, including apparently 11 wins in a row during that run.....the guys a winner, although best to ignore some of the revisionist comments since he left them.
Brentford are on a poor run but think it's a nailed on draw.
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Same starting X1.
They deserve it.
Emery will probably choose the starting XI according to how he has decided to funeral Brentford. This may mean a change or two, in spite of them all deserving it.
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this is where we come unstuck. Fuckers.
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this is where we come unstuck. Fuckers.
How very 2022.
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I think it'll be Brentford xG 0.85, Villa xG 2.64. xP for Villa: 3
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I thought it would be a draw against the Toon, so chose draw again and hoping for a similar result.
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Same here Manic
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I thought we might come unstuck against the barcodes so I'll go with relentless pessimism again.
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Same starting X1.
They deserve it.
Emery will probably choose the starting XI according to how he has decided to funeral Brentford. This may mean a change or two, in spite of them all deserving it.
Very true. I did forget the 'Emery' factor.
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Unai to put the Big Hurt on Frank, Thomas.
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You have to be optimistic for this one. We beat 'em 4-0 with Danksball let alone football.
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I'm going for a draw for the 6th game in a row. Backing up Saturday's performance with an away win at Brentford would be massive though.
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Gone for a draw, if only because that's what i went for for all of Deano's 10 in a row.
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Oh, I don't know. We, and indeed the manager are exceeding all expectations. If this continues I can't see anything but a win and where once I struggled to make a positive case for the team now it's the opposite.
1-2
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this is where we come unstuck. Fuckers.
How very 2022.
2021
2020
2019
2018
2017.....
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They’ve had a really good season to be fair to them, but since the beginning of March their record is W2 D2 L4, including losing the last three. Its really about time we end our terrible record down there.
They’ve got goals in them and we don’t want to be over confident, but if we play how we have been i see us winning 2-0 (Watkins and Beundia).
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I think it'll be Brentford xG 0.85, Villa xG 2.64. xP for Villa: 3
Tifo Triggered
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All I can see is an evisceration based upon our form and the fact I don’t like Brentford.
We need to really push up our goal difference and punish shit teams so that when their turn comes again they’ll have nightmares.
9-0 Villa.
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Hmm... Not sure on this one. Depends who scores first.
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Hmm... Not sure on this one. Depends who scores first.
Yeah, Watkins and it could be a bucketload, McGinn and it may only be a few.
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We won't lose. This is a manager who once went 22 unbeaten for the Arse, including apparently 11 wins in a row during that run.....the guys a winner, although best to ignore some of the revisionist comments since he left them.
Brentford are on a poor run but think it's a nailed on draw.
And yet some dickheads call him a failure
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Win this and Brentford are out of the picture.
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Unai should channel a bit of this :
GENERAL GEORGE S. PATTON exhorting the Third Army, Spring 1944
“I don’t want to get any messages saying, ‘I am holding my position.’ We are not holding a goddamned thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy’s balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living shit out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy.”
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The end of that clarion call just reminded me of
Body! I'm not an animal!
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We need the swarming
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Brentford are in a pretty rotten run of form, with no wins in five, and we've won five on the bounce, so this match can only go one way. A nailed on draw.
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I think it'll be Brentford xG 0.85, Villa xG 2.64. xP for Villa: 3
Tifo Triggered
Ha! That Tifo is abysmal. He ruined about 30 seconds of my day with his wanky shit.
I did turn him off almost immediately, however.
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Me the biggest pessimist has now turned into the biggest optimist, 3 nil Villa no problem.
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I think it'll be Brentford xG 0.85, Villa xG 2.64. xP for Villa: 3
Tifo Triggered
If anyone is interested they've put out a podcast today and the first 15mins or so (if you can get through the opening round of bullshit) is about us which includes them having a bit of a sulk about Villa fans being mean to him over that video.
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I think it'll be Brentford xG 0.85, Villa xG 2.64. xP for Villa: 3
Tifo Triggered
If anyone is interested they've put out a podcast today and the first 15mins or so (if you can get through the opening round of bullshit) is about us which includes them having a bit of a sulk about Villa fans being mean to him over that video.
Christ, that's a bit thin-skinned, are they Newcastle fans?!
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I think it'll be Brentford xG 0.85, Villa xG 2.64. xP for Villa: 3
Tifo Triggered
If anyone is interested they've put out a podcast today and the first 15mins or so (if you can get through the opening round of bullshit) is about us which includes them having a bit of a sulk about Villa fans being mean to him over that video.
Christ, that's a bit thin-skinned, are they Newcastle fans?!
Maybe they could apply their analysis to the reactions to their videos. Expected Groans?
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I think it'll be Brentford xG 0.85, Villa xG 2.64. xP for Villa: 3
Tifo Triggered
Ha! That Tifo is abysmal. He ruined about 30 seconds of my day with his wanky shit.
I did turn him off alanost immediately, however.
The original video was pretty embarrassing. They haven't commented on the villa nearly all season, and the first video they put out is a nonsensical and statistics-laden hit piece saying that we've been lucky. Now they are clutching their pearls saying, "but we've used statistics and we weren't mean..! You lot are just overachieving, stop harassing us." Pretty pathetic to complain about the supporters' reaction when you set out to use every statistic possible to invalidate the club's progress. It's clear to see that we are playing some of the most efficient and effective football in the league right now. A simple, "We were wrong." would've sufficed.
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Here's the relevant bit, it's about 2minutes long (and I apologise for the insufferable prick who's hosting it).
&t=1035s
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I think it'll be Brentford xG 0.85, Villa xG 2.64. xP for Villa: 3
Tifo Triggered
Ha! That Tifo is abysmal. He ruined about 30 seconds of my day with his wanky shit.
I did turn him off alanost immediately, however.
The original video was pretty embarrassing. They haven't commented on the villa nearly all season, and the first video they put out is a nonsensical and statistics-laden hit piece saying that we've been lucky. Now they are clutching their pearls saying, "but we've used statistics and we weren't mean..! You lot are just overachieving, stop harassing us." Pretty pathetic to complain about the supporters' reaction when you set out to use every statistic possible to invalidate the club's progress. It's clear to see that we are playing some of the most efficient and effective football in the league right now. A simple, "We were wrong." would've sufficed.
My stance on this is that if he hadn't repeatedly said we were lucky the original video wouldn't have been so bad. I also find it interesting that, over the season as a whole, we're "over-achieving" to the same extent that Man Utd are and far less than Arsenal or Fulham but Arsenal won't be labelled as lucky if they win the league, Man U aren't going to lucky if they make the top 4 and no one has been making a big deal about how Fulham should be in the relegation battle.
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I think it'll be Brentford xG 0.85, Villa xG 2.64. xP for Villa: 3
Tifo Triggered
Ha! That Tifo is abysmal. He ruined about 30 seconds of my day with his wanky shit.
I did turn him off alanost immediately, however.
hahaha I saw it the other day and thought exactly the same. This new era of football analysis and tactical speak. Does my nut in.
xG
Double pivots
'The press'
Low block
I've even seen people trying to get 'pre-assists' going. Just put it all in the bin!
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Lasted a minute.
Brentford will fear us and start cagey but we'll be too strong for them. 0-3
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Here's the relevant bit, it's about 2minutes long (and I apologise for the insufferable prick who's hosting it).
&t=1035s
Fucking hell.
Joe Devine...fuck off. I can't actually believe he's a real person.
Tifo with his retro Japanese national team training wear on...fuck off
Atrocious human beings.
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I'd feed that Joe Devine to a tropical centipede. Millimeter by millimeter. ******
Up the Villa!
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I'd feed that Joe Devine to a tropical centipede. Millimeter by millimeter. ******
Up the Villa!
😂😂😂
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In that follow up video, he goes on about Villa fans getting arsey because he said we were 'overperforming'.
It wasn't that that people were getting annoyed about, it was his repeated use of the word 'lucky'.
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Also, what a horrific smug tone that entire podcast has (not just about us, I mean the presenters, the presentation style).
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In that follow up video, he goes on about Villa fans getting arsey because he said we were 'overperforming'.
It wasn't that that people were getting annoyed about, it was his repeated use of the word 'lucky'.
Lol, the thread on here was bad enough when somebody (I forget who) suggested we had some luck go our way in recent fixtures. And that’s just us placid H+V types.
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Here's the relevant bit, it's about 2minutes long (and I apologise for the insufferable prick who's hosting it).
&t=1035s
Blimey Paul, 'relevant'! Took them a hundred years to stop just making vaguely smug animali noises.
That Devine really fancies himself the next James Richardson doesn't he? And he's close, all he's missing is the charm, the wit, the knowledge, the talent, the ability to focus...
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Here's the relevant bit, it's about 2minutes long (and I apologise for the insufferable prick who's hosting it).
&t=1035s
Blimey Paul, 'relevant'! Took them a hundred years to stop just making vaguely smug animali noises.
That Devine really fancies himself the next James Richardson doesn't he? And he's close, all he's missing is the charm, the wit, the knowledge, the talent, the ability to focus...
The presenter is doing a really bad impersonation of David Mitchell doing a funny parody of a cheesy football presenter, without any of the irony…that was just pins in my eyes and ears!!! However, useful (or not) their analysis is, i can never put myself through that again, its just made me irrationally annoyed and not about anything they said about Villa, i couldn’t even concentrate on that.
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They're all deeply annoying, especially the smug twat in grey. "Villa fans, do you honestly think that Villa are the second best team in the country since Emery arrived." Well yes, actually I do, because that's what the table says. We've beaten Man U, Spurs, Chelsea and Newcastle in that time and took the lead twice against Arsenal.
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They're all deeply annoying, especially the smug twat in grey. "Villa fans, do you honestly think that Villa are the second best team in the country since Emery arrived." Well yes, actually I do, because that's what the table says. We've beaten Man U, Spurs, Chelsea and Newcastle in that time and took the lead twice against Arsenal.
It's the implied condecension. We're well tuned into it because it's always been the case, whether it's Villa or Birmingham. We can't be leading the way in anything, no.
There was a piece by Jonathan Liew in about De Zerbi Brighton I posted the other week, crawling up his arse as he was spearheading a new tactical vanguard against the established pressing teams. He's done a great job yes, but I just sat reading it thinking 'yeah, that's what we do mate' and it's also how Emery disposed of Bayern in last seasons Champions League.
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Only way to shut up all of these wankers is to win. We’ve not done enough of that in years. Nobody looks at our story a closely as we do so naturally they all think what’s happening is just a flash in the pan and lucky. Especially when you consider we only bought a full back and a forward prospect to add to a team everyone thought was a guarantee to be relegated back in November. So let them all be smug. We will just go about our business.
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Anybody in analytics using “lucky” as an explanation, is probably lucky to have a job.
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Brentford have only taken 5 points from last 6 games, which could indicate they have run out of steam. Still a tough match this.
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Anybody in analytics using “lucky” as an explanation, is probably lucky to have a job.
Exactly!!!
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Anybody in analytics using “lucky” as an explanation, is probably lucky to have a job.
Exactly!!!
Spot on. To use stats then the word ‘lucky’ is flat earth cuntery.
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Only way to shut up all of these wankers is to win. We’ve not done enough of that in years. Nobody looks at our story a closely as we do so naturally they all think what’s happening is just a flash in the pan and lucky. Especially when you consider we only bought a full back and a forward prospect to add to a team everyone thought was a guarantee to be relegated back in November. So let them all be smug. We will just go about our business.
My sentiments as well, as the big man said "Do you want to bet against us"
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There is no way I am launching that video but can categorically and emphatically infer that they are proper country boys.
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2-0.
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As I have good form on these threads I thought I'd continue inspiring our team to victory by posting this one as well.
Don't even think of stopping!
Damn right!
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Thanks for all the support lads <3
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As I have good form on these threads I thought I'd continue inspiring our team to victory by posting this one as well.
Don't even think of stopping!
Damn right!
However he seems to have changed his Profile signature*. :(
*Plus it stands out so much I might need to borrow Smirker's sunglasses to block it out.
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Here's the relevant bit, it's about 2minutes long (and I apologise for the insufferable prick who's hosting it).
&t=1035s
Blimey Paul, 'relevant'! Took them a hundred years to stop just making vaguely smug animali noises.
That Devine really fancies himself the next James Richardson doesn't he? And he's close, all he's missing is the charm, the wit, the knowledge, the talent, the ability to focus...
These ****** need to be set on fire. I thought the athletic was decent but fuck me this Is embarrassing
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I thought Tim Lovejoy was bad but these twats have taken being a complete tosser to a whole new level.
Although I have allways thought the Athletic attracts some right wankers.
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The chap in the grey thinks he's being amusing but he's just coming over as sinister.
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To be fair I did try to add a warning above the video. For me the absolute grade 'a' c**tery from the main host overshadowed the other 2 so much that I didn't find either of them particularly annoying, in comparison.
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hmmmm
The chap in the grey thinks he's being amusing but he's just coming over as sinister.
He is abit of a more smug Christopher Biggins ,
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I know it's a bit 'football man' cliche, but none of them look like they've kicked a ball in their lives. Twats.
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Set of absolute bellends.
The fat smug fucker with his jacket sleeves rolled up (always a sign of a wrong 'un) seems shocked that not everybody on social media reacts well to their videos. Firstly, it's football, a tribal and emotional business. Secondly, it's the internet, where strident opinions are obviously very much a thing. If receiving a bit of stick to a football podcast really does come as much of an unpleasant surprise as that, I'd politely suggest he's very much in the wrong business.
The bald bloke with glasses is like a character from a Nick Hornby book. Thinks he likes stats but doesn't really understand actual football at all. Probably has a £5K pair of speakers to play Coldplay on.
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Set of absolute bellends.
The fat smug fucker with his jacket sleeves rolled up (always a sign of a wrong 'un) seems shocked that not everybody on social media reacts well to their videos. Firstly, it's football, a tribal and emotional business. Secondly, it's the internet, where strident opinions are obviously very much a thing. If receiving a bit of stick to a football podcast really does come as much of an unpleasant surprise as that, I'd politely suggest he's very much in the wrong business.
The bald bloke with glasses is like a character from a Nick Hornby book. Thinks he likes stats but doesn't really understand actual football at all. Probably has a £5K pair of speakers to play Coldplay on.
I know it's a bit 'football man' cliche, but none of them look like they've kicked a ball in their lives. Twats.
All of this. They have such a sanitised vision of the sport, like it doesn't happen in the real world with flesh-and-blood players. Like it's their favourite TV show.
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I know it's a bit 'football man' cliche, but none of them look like they've kicked a ball in their lives. Twats.
Harsh! am sure (if they were ever allowed to play out) they were shoved in goals.
Although maybe playing Wembley on the park, jumpers for goalposts etc died with the ps2.
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He seems to me like the kind of guy that when he was a kid, got his mother to send a note in excusing him from PE every week. He'd then proceed to spend the time eating a large cake.
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I thought Tifo was ok but the presenter's an absolute dick.
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A £5k set of speakers to play Coldplay on! Hahahaha
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Here's the relevant bit, it's about 2minutes long (and I apologise for the insufferable prick who's hosting it).
&t=1035s
Blimey Paul, 'relevant'! Took them a hundred years to stop just making vaguely smug animali noises.
That Devine really fancies himself the next James Richardson doesn't he? And he's close, all he's missing is the charm, the wit, the knowledge, the talent, the ability to focus...
The presenter is doing a really bad impersonation of David Mitchell doing a funny parody of a cheesy football presenter, without any of the irony…that was just pins in my eyes and ears!!! However, useful (or not) their analysis is, i can never put myself through that again, its just made me irrationally annoyed and not about anything they said about Villa, i couldn’t even concentrate on that.
I get why people don't like them. Joe Divine tries a bit too hard to be witty and the style isn't for everyone.
But if you cut through that I've always thought that the Tifo presenters are very good with their analysis. I pretty much agree with everything they say on this video and once you get past the indignation of them not believing we're the second best team in the league, they are actually very complimentary about us. I felt pretty much the same about the video last week that got so many fans worked up with the word lucky but ignoring the fairly detailed tactical analysis.
For me it's nice that we're in the conversation, and I'd rather have this sort of coverage than be largely ignored, which is the usual position.
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A £5k set of speakers to play Coldplay on! Hahahaha
Yeah, that had me going too. As funny as it is Risso is probably right.
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Here's the relevant bit, it's about 2minutes long (and I apologise for the insufferable prick who's hosting it).
&t=1035s
Blimey Paul, 'relevant'! Took them a hundred years to stop just making vaguely smug animali noises.
That Devine really fancies himself the next James Richardson doesn't he? And he's close, all he's missing is the charm, the wit, the knowledge, the talent, the ability to focus...
The presenter is doing a really bad impersonation of David Mitchell doing a funny parody of a cheesy football presenter, without any of the irony…that was just pins in my eyes and ears!!! However, useful (or not) their analysis is, i can never put myself through that again, its just made me irrationally annoyed and not about anything they said about Villa, i couldn’t even concentrate on that.
I get why people don't like them. Joe Divine tries a bit too hard to be witty and the style isn't for everyone.
But if you cut through that I've always thought that the Tifo presenters are very good with their analysis. I pretty much agree with everything they say on this video and once you get past the indignation of them not believing we're the second best team in the league, they are actually very complimentary about us. I felt pretty much the same about the video last week that got so many fans worked up with the word lucky but ignoring the fairly detailed tactical analysis.
For me it's nice that we're in the conversation, and I'd rather have this sort of coverage than be largely ignored, which is the usual position.
Think this is where i'm at. As someone else said, they do seem to watch football a bit like it's some sort of spreadsheet exercise and doesn't involve real people and emotions but their tactical analysis is normally pretty insightful. They are right on one point though, we're not the second best team in the country. We're obviously the best team...
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hmmmm The chap in the grey thinks he's being amusing but he's just coming over as sinister.
He is abit of a more smug Christopher Biggins ,
I was thinking Tony Hadley has let himself go. Musclebound he ain't.
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hmmmm The chap in the grey thinks he's being amusing but he's just coming over as sinister.
He is abit of a more smug Christopher Biggins ,
I was thinking Tony Hadley has let himself go. Musclebound he ain't.
This much is true.
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That blokes smug face in the thumbnail puts me off. He reminds me of the chubby kid at school who smelled of lard, had sticky hands and whose dad was a proper bellend who worked at jaguar. Or wish.com mark from peep show.
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hmmmm The chap in the grey thinks he's being amusing but he's just coming over as sinister.
He is abit of a more smug Christopher Biggins ,
I was thinking Tony Hadley has let himself go. Musclebound he ain't.
That's Gold that.
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Love them or loathe them, a bunch of comfortably middle class mummies boys have become the obsession for a Brentford v Villa discussion forum
Fuck them!
Brentford 1 Aston Villa 2.
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Have ever had a point here ?
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Here's the relevant bit, it's about 2minutes long (and I apologise for the insufferable prick who's hosting it).
&t=1035s
Blimey Paul, 'relevant'! Took them a hundred years to stop just making vaguely smug animali noises.
That Devine really fancies himself the next James Richardson doesn't he? And he's close, all he's missing is the charm, the wit, the knowledge, the talent, the ability to focus...
The presenter is doing a really bad impersonation of David Mitchell doing a funny parody of a cheesy football presenter, without any of the irony…that was just pins in my eyes and ears!!! However, useful (or not) their analysis is, i can never put myself through that again, its just made me irrationally annoyed and not about anything they said about Villa, i couldn’t even concentrate on that.
I get why people don't like them. Joe Divine tries a bit too hard to be witty and the style isn't for everyone.
But if you cut through that I've always thought that the Tifo presenters are very good with their analysis. I pretty much agree with everything they say on this video and once you get past the indignation of them not believing we're the second best team in the league, they are actually very complimentary about us. I felt pretty much the same about the video last week that got so many fans worked up with the word lucky but ignoring the fairly detailed tactical analysis.
For me it's nice that we're in the conversation, and I'd rather have this sort of coverage than be largely ignored, which is the usual position.
Think this is where i'm at. As someone else said, they do seem to watch football a bit like it's some sort of spreadsheet exercise and doesn't involve real people and emotions but their tactical analysis is normally pretty insightful. They are right on one point though, we're not the second best team in the country. We're obviously the best team...
I think stuff like Tifo has value up to a point. But it’s the sort of show that would smugly tell you that it would be unsustainable for Arjen Robben to keep cutting in off the right flank on his left foot because eventually teams are going to work it out and stop him.And using stuff like XG; you look at our game Saturday and apparently our expected goals was less than 2 which is perhaps the biggest load of nonsense I can recall of late. And as we’ve seen with Horse Face, spreadsheets can’t make you identify and take decisive action when it’s needed most.
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Beardy bald XG features has looks like he has an extensive collection of St Pauli shirts, and of late probably bores people stiff twatting on about Union Berlin.
That ****** sat in the middle looks like some sort of odd Patrick Bamford / Jonathon Woodgate doppelganger mash up.
Easily the worst is that smug ****** presenting, though. As someone said, he clearly fancies himself as a James Richardson type.
He also looks like "I know the face, but I can't recall his name" actor, Mark Benton.
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xG is a metric based on chance creation more than goal scoring, it's effectively designed to replace shots/shots on target. As with shots/shots on target there are some rough guidelines you can expect (7-8 shots and about 3 shots on target per goal) but that doesn't mean you NEED that many or that reaching those numbers will guarantee goals, it's just a guideline to give you an idea of how well things are going.
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Have ever had a point here ?
Yes. 2-0 in 1947, 4-2 in 1939 and 2-1 in 1935. Since we reacquainted ourselves in 2016 no, nothing. Four straight away defeats.
But no worries, just something else for Emery to tick off his list. I can see Frank and Emery getting on quite well off the pitch. Nerdy Emery will help Frank with his scouting homework while hip dude Frank will introduce Unai to Swedish 21 year olds.
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One stat that should be identified and given more merit than a shot off target are shots that hit the woodwork. They should be given a higher factor in the xG stat too. I can't believe I'm actually discussing xG when we all know (most of us) it's bollocks.
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xG isn't *total* bollocks, but it's almost always used wrongly, especially by great trembling boxes of oat milk like Tifo.
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Any mention of xg in future should result in an instant ban and a ruddy good punch on the bottom.
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But no worries, just something else for Emery to tick off his list. I can see Frank and Emery getting on quite well off the pitch. Nerdy Emery will help Frank with his scouting homework while hip dude Frank will introduce Unai to Swedish 21 year olds.
"Unai, have you ever combined drugsh and fucking?"
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xG isn't *total* bollocks, but it's almost always used wrongly, especially by great trembling boxes of oat milk like Tifo.
Fair enough, 95% bollocks then. How can we have the xG of 2... something goals when we've scored 3 hit the woodwork twice, had shots saved and blocked and.....fuck it, it's 100% bollocks.
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It's bollocks for teams yeah. I read that the big idea was to measure how good strikers are at finishing individually, and that it just can't really be applied to teams.
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He also looks like "I know the face, but I can't recall his name" actor, Mark Benton.
Nah, Mark Benton is likeable (especially in Early Doors) but I'd never tire of punching Joe Devine's mush even though I only watched the first 15 seconds.
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Joe Devine almost makes Ricky fucking Gervais seem bearable.
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It's bollocks for teams yeah. I read that the big idea was to measure how good strikers are at finishing individually, and that it just can't really be applied to teams.
That would make more sense if it's just for strikers. What do they do when the likes of Man City are without Haaland and don't have an out and out striker?
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It's bollocks for teams yeah. I read that the big idea was to measure how good strikers are at finishing individually, and that it just can't really be applied to teams.
That would make more sense if it's just for strikers. What do they do when the likes of Man City are without Haaland and don't have an out and out striker?
It changes to xTT (expected tippy tappy).
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xG isn't *total* bollocks, but it's almost always used wrongly, especially by great trembling boxes of oat milk like Tifo.
Oat so simple.
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Football is played on grass with goalposts. Not on a keyboard with monitor!!
Xg is a load of artificial crap.
VAR is trying to get rid of a referee on the pitch and Xg is replacing the players. In the future we won't need football grounds we can just sit at home and and a computer will calculate who has won, lost and drawn.
Artificial football is very artificial!!
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It matters not what the XG says. Only one stat matters and that is points, and Villa are surprisingly good at amassing those stats at the moment, and long may it continue.
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Football is played on grass with goalposts. Not on a keyboard with monitor!!
Don't let Emery hear you say that, he uses keyboards and screens very much in his work, it plays a massive role in his team management by all accounts.
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xG is neither bullshit, artificial or perfect and no one is trying to use it to replace the players (which is a particularly bizarre comment). It's data, nothing more and nothing less.
An important thing about data is that it's always there, it exists whether you like it or not, it just needs to be collected and analysed to see if it can be useful. Useless data generally stops being collected and certainly doesn't evolve into a multi-million pound industry that major clubs across the world rely on.
The other thing about data is that it's value relies on the quality of the analyst(s) using it and very few people who work in the press or who have football podcasts have ever properly worked with football data to create real world benefits, unlike the people in the clubs who actually understand it and how it can be used.
There's a comment about hitting the post counting more for xG and, without wanting to be twat or belittle anyone, that's exactly the sort of thing that shows how poorly understood xG really is.
Every single shot has a chance to be scored but clearly a wild swing from 40 yards is less likely to be than a tap in to an open goal inside the 6 yard box. All xG is really doing is using historical data to say how likely (between 0 and 1) each shot is to result in a goal. The value doesn't change if a goal is scored, if it hits the corner flag or if the goalkeeper pulls off the greatest save of all time.
It doesn't even care who the ball is falling to, so a shot by Haaland gets exactly the same score as a shot by a 17 year old centre half on his debut, all things being equal, but clearly Haaland is more likely to score.
Looking at an individual chance is ok, mostly in a bumping the confidence of someone who thinks he's missed a sitter aspect.
Looking at the average score for chances is very useful (the higher the better because it means you creating high quality chances).
Looking at an individual players score over a season is useful for tracking confidence and efficiency, it can also highlight areas where they do well and others where they could do with more training/practice.
Looking at the total score for the team over the season is of little value.
Looking at the total score for the team in a specific match is of even less value.
Using either of those to claim a team has over or under-achieved is utterly pointless.
However with that I'm going to try to stop talking about it because there are clearly people who aren't interested and we have bene babbling on for most of the week at this point.
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It's just a measurement. The only problem with it is how it's used.
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I think we all understand it, Paul. As Lee said, it's how it is used, specifically in that Tifo clip.
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I'm not sure everyone does, but I'm aware that post got very long and rambling, which is why I said I'll try to back off now.
The only reason I get annoyed is that it's pretty clear that these sort of stats are playing a huge part in how clubs work now, calling it useless or moaning about stats ruining the game is exactly why useless shits like Bruce have survived so long.
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If people think it's nonsense, then fair enough.
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If people think it's nonsense, then fair enough.
I guess, I'd just prefer you to use terms like boring because some of the comments make it sounds like something that's of no value to anyone, and that's pretty clearly not true.
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If people think it's nonsense, then fair enough.
I guess, I'd just prefer you to use terms like boring because some of the comments make it sounds like something that's of no value to anyone, and that's pretty clearly not true.
You ridiculed my post that stated a shot that hits the wood work should merit more than a wild swing. It should if we are going down the route of expected goals as important data. Surely a shot that is the width of the post apart is far more meaningful to data than one that ends up in row Z, yes?
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Football is played on grass with goalposts. Not on a keyboard with monitor!!
Don't let Emery hear you say that, he uses keyboards and screens very much in his work, it plays a massive role in his team management by all accounts.
I am sure Emery uses keyboards and screens as it is a lot more convenient than using paper/pen, chalk/board or a calculator.
However, when it comes to a players mentality, attitude, ability, adaptability he would probably prefer to use his own 'eyes and ears' on the training ground or pitch as distinct to contrived calculations/guesses.
Truth is I don't know but would be surprised if he used xg and alike.
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If people think it's nonsense, then fair enough.
I guess, I'd just prefer you to use terms like boring because some of the comments make it sounds like something that's of no value to anyone, and that's pretty clearly not true.
I'll just stick to what I think and I think it's nonsense.
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If people think it's nonsense, then fair enough.
I guess, I'd just prefer you to use terms like boring because some of the comments make it sounds like something that's of no value to anyone, and that's pretty clearly not true.
You ridiculed my post that stated a shot that hits the wood work should merit more than a wild swing. It should if we are going down the route of expected goals as important data. Surely a shot that is the width of the post apart is far more meaningful to data than one that ends up in row Z, yes?
I didn't mean to ridicule it and if you got that impression I apologise, I was trying to highlight it as an example of people not understanding what xG is supposed to represent. The stat is about how likely a player is to score from a chance not how effective he is at taking chances.
Truth is I don't know but would be surprised if he used xg and alike.
I suspect you're wrong, he's taken Victor Manas with him to every job for a decade, and has him sat right there on the bench every week. I doubt you'd give an analyst that sort of respect if you didn't find statistics and data useful.
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If people think it's nonsense, then fair enough.
I guess, I'd just prefer you to use terms like boring because some of the comments make it sounds like something that's of no value to anyone, and that's pretty clearly not true.
I'll just stick to what I think and I think it's nonsense.
You can do what you like, it's not like you'd ever change your mind about anything.
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Hmm, ok.
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Would be staggered if Emery didn't know Watkins' xG, for instance. However much importance he puts on it, who knows, but it's a very basic stat to include these days.
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Football is played on grass with goalposts. Not on a keyboard with monitor!!
Don't let Emery hear you say that, he uses keyboards and screens very much in his work, it plays a massive role in his team management by all accounts.
I am sure Emery uses keyboards and screens as it is a lot more convenient than using paper/pen, chalk/board or a calculator.
However, when it comes to a players mentality, attitude, ability, adaptability he would probably prefer to use his own 'eyes and ears' on the training ground or pitch as distinct to contrived calculations/guesses.
Truth is I don't know but would be surprised if he used xg and alike.
He's actually known for using a team of analysts - stats analysts, video analysts - he's very much cutting edge.
He has personalised video content and analytics sent to each member of the team.
Compared to the likes of Steve Bruce, who probably takes his laptop to PC World so they can show him where to plug the mouse in again.
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Statistics are rarely the most interesting of subjects but when the merits of one metric are discussed down to the nth degree over a number of days it reaches previously uncharted levels of tedium.
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Football is played on grass with goalposts. Not on a keyboard with monitor!!
Don't let Emery hear you say that, he uses keyboards and screens very much in his work, it plays a massive role in his team management by all accounts.
I am sure Emery uses keyboards and screens as it is a lot more convenient than using paper/pen, chalk/board or a calculator.
However, when it comes to a players mentality, attitude, ability, adaptability he would probably prefer to use his own 'eyes and ears' on the training ground or pitch as distinct to contrived calculations/guesses.
Truth is I don't know but would be surprised if he used xg and alike.
He's actually known for using a team of analysts - stats analysts, video analysts - he's very much cutting edge.
He has personalised video content and analytics sent to each member of the team.
Compared to the likes of Steve Bruce, who probably takes his laptop to PC World so they can show him where to plug the mouse in again.
I agree, actual stats and video analysis are important. It is the xg and other guesswork that I find pointless. But that's just me, others may think differently.
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Compared to the likes of Steve Bruce, who probably takes his laptop to PC World so they can show him where to plug the mouse in again.
Excellent - actually LOL
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It's the amount of sheer smug wankery that's on display in those Tifo things that pisses me off as much as anything else. I don't need some tosser in a £400 T-shirt (to paraphrase the greatest take-down on a similar theme) telling me I've been watching football all wrong when it's clear that his analysis is so wide of the mark he makes Aleksandar Tonev look like William Tell. The fact that they could watch the Newcastle game and still not grasp that the numbers they are looking at might be misleading (one of them even admits he didn't watch much of the game) invalidates 99% of what they are saying for me.
As someone else has said as well, if we aren't the second or third best team in the country in the last 18 matches then I'd like to know who is? The point isn't who is the best team at their absolute peak as we can all admit that there are much stronger squads at a number of clubs, but we are deservedly 2/3 in the form table over half a season now - that's not just a lucky streak.
Oh, and we will stuff Brentford 3-0 this Saturday.
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Compared to the likes of Steve Bruce, who probably takes his laptop to PC World so they can show him where to plug the mouse in again.
Excellent - actually LOL
Made me laugh as well.
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Compared to the likes of Steve Bruce, who probably takes his laptop to PC World so they can show him where to plug the mouse in again.
Excellent - actually LOL
"Ahve tried everythin' pet, put wor boots on, rolled up wor sleeves, nothin'"
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Can you clean up my history Pet while i'm here?
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As with any predictive modelling, it is limited by the quality of the inputs and the logic programmed into it. Crap in can equal crap out - just ask the Meteorological Office. xG will not be used in isolation by Emery's team but is merely one point in a battery of tests/analyses.
Clearly though we have just been very, very lucky ::) ...reeks of panic from Sky and their beloved six that we are about to displace an incumbent.
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xG is neither bullshit, artificial or perfect and no one is trying to use it to replace the players (which is a particularly bizarre comment). It's data, nothing more and nothing less.
An important thing about data is that it's always there, it exists whether you like it or not, it just needs to be collected and analysed to see if it can be useful. Useless data generally stops being collected and certainly doesn't evolve into a multi-million pound industry that major clubs across the world rely on.
The other thing about data is that it's value relies on the quality of the analyst(s) using it and very few people who work in the press or who have football podcasts have ever properly worked with football data to create real world benefits, unlike the people in the clubs who actually understand it and how it can be used.
There's a comment about hitting the post counting more for xG and, without wanting to be twat or belittle anyone, that's exactly the sort of thing that shows how poorly understood xG really is.
Every single shot has a chance to be scored but clearly a wild swing from 40 yards is less likely to be than a tap in to an open goal inside the 6 yard box. All xG is really doing is using historical data to say how likely (between 0 and 1) each shot is to result in a goal. The value doesn't change if a goal is scored, if it hits the corner flag or if the goalkeeper pulls off the greatest save of all time.
It doesn't even care who the ball is falling to, so a shot by Haaland gets exactly the same score as a shot by a 17 year old centre half on his debut, all things being equal, but clearly Haaland is more likely to score.
Looking at an individual chance is ok, mostly in a bumping the confidence of someone who thinks he's missed a sitter aspect.
Looking at the average score for chances is very useful (the higher the better because it means you creating high quality chances).
Looking at an individual players score over a season is useful for tracking confidence and efficiency, it can also highlight areas where they do well and others where they could do with more training/practice.
Looking at the total score for the team over the season is of little value.
Looking at the total score for the team in a specific match is of even less value.
Using either of those to claim a team has over or under-achieved is utterly pointless.
However with that I'm going to try to stop talking about it because there are clearly people who aren't interested and we have bene babbling on for most of the week at this point.
Though again, indicative of the quality of chances you're creating as a team, even if you're not finishing them. Can be used to show if a team over a sample of say 10 games is actually underperforming or if they are playing well but just not converting their chances.
XG over a season tends to correlate strongly with league finish if I'm not mistaken?
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I know some of you accuse other accounts on here of being run by multiple posters. It feels like a number have handed their login details to Richard Keys, Neil Warnock and the editorial board of TalkSport. The proper-football-man-it's-all-bollocks-just-stick-it-in-the-onion-bag vibes are strong here today.
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'The onion bag' is my favourite cliché that I absolutely hate.
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I know some of you accuse other accounts on here of being run by multiple posters. It feels like a number have handed their login details to Richard Keys, Neil Warnock and the editorial board of TalkSport. The proper-football-man-it's-all-bollocks-just-stick-it-in-the-onion-bag vibes are strong here today.
I guess. But I have some sympathy for the idea that the current trend of stats-based analysis doesn't tell the entire story of the reality - and Danno made a really good point earlier in the thread when he said that anyone involved with stat analytics as a job shouldn't really be putting things down to luck; either the stats are right or you have an opinion.
I'm pretty cynical anyway and get the feeling that a lot of podcasters etc don't really know what they're talking about when it comes to stats and regurgitate figures which are, at best, abstract to what happens on the field.
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'The onion bag' is my favourite cliché that I absolutely hate.
Get it in the mixer
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I know some of you accuse other accounts on here of being run by multiple posters. It feels like a number have handed their login details to Richard Keys, Neil Warnock and the editorial board of TalkSport. The proper-football-man-it's-all-bollocks-just-stick-it-in-the-onion-bag vibes are strong here today.
I guess. But I have some sympathy for the idea that the current trend of stats-based analysis doesn't tell the entire story of the reality - and Danno made a really good point earlier in the thread when he said that anyone involved with stat analytics as a job shouldn't really be putting things down to luck; either the stats are right or you have an opinion.
I'm pretty cynical anyway and get the feeling that a lot of podcasters etc don't really know what they're talking about when it comes to stats and regurgitate figures which are, at best, abstract to what happens on the field.
No doubt the broadcasters, such as they are, are at times approaching the data all arse about tit, but to dismiss the entire concept as nonsense is prehistoric.
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'The onion bag' is my favourite cliché that I absolutely hate.
Get it in the mixer
Top Bins
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A routine 0-2 away win. FTF.
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Press conference
https://www.avfc.co.uk/video/0_0zl69eb5
Fucking hell, he's never completely happy and always wants improvement. Don't rest on your laurels and keep driving forward.
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A routine 0-2 away win. FTF.
Can someone explain this comment pls
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'The onion bag' is my favourite cliché that I absolutely hate.
Get it in the mixer
Top Bins
Top bins is *horrific*, as is (the mercifully seemingly dead) 'tekkers'.
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I know some of you accuse other accounts on here of being run by multiple posters. It feels like a number have handed their login details to Richard Keys, Neil Warnock and the editorial board of TalkSport. The proper-football-man-it's-all-bollocks-just-stick-it-in-the-onion-bag vibes are strong here today.
I guess. But I have some sympathy for the idea that the current trend of stats-based analysis doesn't tell the entire story of the reality - and Danno made a really good point earlier in the thread when he said that anyone involved with stat analytics as a job shouldn't really be putting things down to luck; either the stats are right or you have an opinion.
I'm pretty cynical anyway and get the feeling that a lot of podcasters etc don't really know what they're talking about when it comes to stats and regurgitate figures which are, at best, abstract to what happens on the field.
No doubt the broadcasters, such as they are, are at times approaching the data all arse about tit, but to dismiss the entire concept as nonsense is prehistoric.
I don't disagree tbh but this tifo fella, as I understand it, couldn't understand why xg was wrong and instead put it down to luck, an unquantifiable measure. That isn't analysis, it just seems like he ran out of ideas after the stats didn't bear out events on the pitch.
I think what annoys me most about it though is that he's likely getting paid a shitload of money for this.
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I bet he isn't (getting paid loads of money).
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Press conference
https://www.avfc.co.uk/video/0_0zl69eb5
Fucking hell, he's never completely happy and always wants improvement. Don't rest on your laurels and keep driving forward.
Bloody hell, I love this bloke!
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I use stats analyses a lot in work so I know there is probably real validity in top level football.
However, i find the whole thing as dull as dishwater and utterly emotionless
Wheres the room for shouting yeeeeesssss with raw emotion on the holte end for a half seen goal, with a fooking clue what elements are xg have been at play.
The irrational emotion is what makes the beautiful game.
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I agree with all that. Deathly dull stuff.
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I use stats analyses a lot in work so I know there is probably real validity in top level football.
However, i find the whole thing as dull as dishwater and utterly emotionless
Wheres the room for shouting yeeeeesssss with raw emotion on the holte end for a half seen goal, with a fooking clue what elements are xg have been at play.
The irrational emotion is what makes the beautiful game.
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Honestly, I can't be arsed with tactical analysis or whatever. It's not that I don't think it's valid or anything, it's just someone else is getting paid to do it, and I can just either watch the game or bash F5 on the H&V match thread and enjoy the fruits of their labour.
Fwiw I imagine it's quite a useful measure if you're assessing midfielders (are they creating good chances?) or defenders (are they preventing the opponents from getting good chances), and probably less useful if your assessing goalkeepers or strikers. But I don't know, and I don't give enough of a shit about it to find out. I certainly don't give enough of a shit about it to listen to someone else talk about it.
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Press conference
https://www.avfc.co.uk/video/0_0zl69eb5
Fucking hell, he's never completely happy and always wants improvement. Don't rest on your laurels and keep driving forward.
I fucking love him too, but half the time I haven’t got a fucking clue what he’s on about!! UTFV
Bloody hell, I love this bloke!
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Press conference
https://www.avfc.co.uk/video/0_0zl69eb5
Fucking hell, he's never completely happy and always wants improvement. Don't rest on your laurels and keep driving forward.
I fucking love him too, but half the time I haven’t got a fucking clue what he’s on about!! UTFV
Bloody hell, I love this bloke!
Luckily the players do ! He's a bit special though. I'm sure we will have some dips along the way . Whenever a Villa manger is appointed ,I always hope he has a long tenure, as it will mean success for all of us. Early days I know , but he seems so switched on tactically, it's hard not to get excited.
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I think we will enjoy Saturday, but enjoy it by being fucking disciplined.
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Compared to the likes of Steve Bruce, who probably takes his laptop to PC World so they can show him where to plug the mouse in again.
Excellent - actually LOL
Yes, made me chuckle too, although I'd never bring my laptop into PC World.
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'The onion bag' is my favourite cliché that I absolutely hate.
Obviously unacceptable in commentary, but during punditry with a broad Louth accent?
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'The onion bag' is my favourite cliché that I absolutely hate.
Get it in the mixer
Top Bins
Top bins is *horrific*, as is (the mercifully seemingly dead) 'tekkers'.
Yes, absolutely awful. This is the origin of my irrational dislike of Mason Mount, as I heard him say it once on YouTube.
Petty, I know.
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I think we will enjoy Saturday, but enjoy it by being fucking disciplined.
It will probably end up being a tougher game then Newcastle. They have a great home record. As long as we don't lose I'll be pretty happy. Obviously I want the 3 points but it depends how much of a fight we're prepared to go and the ref. I can see a Villa red card, probably Luiz, they're a dirty bunch and we take no prisoners. As you say, 'disciplined'.
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I think we will enjoy Saturday, but enjoy it by being fucking disciplined.
I watched the Holy Trinity fella's latest show, and he mentioned how everybody has bought into what Emery is doing. There's no disquiet amongst the crowd about getting f***cking rid of it, we're all enjoying the teasing, that giddy tingle of anticipation as we await the inevitable irresistible surge, the fucking discipline.
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My negative Villa head suggests we could slip up here. Although if we get near the levels of last week we’ll win.
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Hopefully Ben Mee won’t continue his tradition of crippling a Villa player the dirty fucker. 2-1 Villa.
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The run will come to an end at some point. We'll need all our players to remain focused for this and not get complacent.
But listening to that press conference how can they not all be absolutely buzzing to continue!
Unai is something else.
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Hopefully Ben Mee won’t continue his tradition of crippling a Villa player the dirty fucker. 2-1 Villa.
stick Mcginn on him
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I think we will enjoy Saturday, but enjoy it by being fucking disciplined.
Much like how I enjoy Berlin dungeons.
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The run will come to an end at some point. We'll need all our players to remain focused for this and not get complacent.
But listening to that press conference how can they not all be absolutely buzzing to continue!
Unai is something else.
I've pencilled us in for a disappointing draw somewhere in the autumn of 2026.
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In a strange sort of way, our recent success has brought its own pressure!!
Calm heads are called for.
Unai exudes calmness and yet, determination.
0-2 to the boys in Claret and Blue.
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Just noticed that this game is being shown at 18.30 hrs French time on Canal+. I'll have to switch my phone's data connection off from 16.00 hrs then.
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The run will come to an end at some point. We'll need all our players to remain focused for this and not get complacent.
But listening to that press conference how can they not all be absolutely buzzing to continue!
Unai is something else.
He is, I just wish I understood him.
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I just wish I understood him.
https://www.marca.com/futbol/premier-league/2023/04/17/643d296546163fea928b45e9.html
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I just wish I understood him.
https://www.marca.com/futbol/premier-league/2023/04/17/643d296546163fea928b45e9.html
The 3-0 draw for Aston Villa over Newcastle was a blow on the table for those from Birmingham.
There's just so much in that first sentence.
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Eurasian magpie, save everybody else googling that one.
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Don't we always make these look incredible? (apart from the last time we played them).
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Their play is quite different to most which is why they get some joy and surprise teams.
They're not going surprise us and no doubt Unai has spotted a way of turning one of their key strengths against them in some mad way.
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A quick look at a Brentford forum reminds me how I fucking hate the fans of these pisspot 'Ooh, look at us in the top flight' / 'relegated after 5 years or so' clubs.
They get ideas above their station so quickly.
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Their play is quite different to most which is why they get some joy and surprise teams.
They're not going surprise us and no doubt Unai has spotted a way of turning one of their key strengths against them in some mad way.
Unai has already started the process of funeralling these fuckers. They just don't know it yet.
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A quick look at a Brentford forum reminds me how I fucking hate the fans of these pisspot 'Ooh, look at us in the top flight' / 'relegated after 5 years or so' clubs.
They get ideas above their station so quickly.
Brighton are the worst for that, fucking gatekeepers of pure football now
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A quick look at a Brentford forum reminds me how I fucking hate the fans of these pisspot 'Ooh, look at us in the top flight' / 'relegated after 5 years or so' clubs.
They get ideas above their station so quickly.
Brighton are the worst for that, fucking gatekeepers of pure football now
I suspect they are (but given they're a tiny club i've never even met a Brighton fan let alone know one). In fairness to them, they are the epitome of well run club and play fantastic football. Their problem is they have to get their transfer strategy right all of the time as they'll never be able to keep their best players so will constantly have to replace them. Looks great when it works but it's a fine line.
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A quick look at a Brentford forum reminds me how I fucking hate the fans of these pisspot 'Ooh, look at us in the top flight' / 'relegated after 5 years or so' clubs.
They get ideas above their station so quickly.
Brighton are the worst for that, fucking gatekeepers of pure football now
I suspect they are (but given they're a tiny club i've never even met a Brighton fan let alone know one). In fairness to them, they are the epitome of well run club and play fantastic football. Their problem is they have to get their transfer strategy right all of the time as they'll never be able to keep their best players so will constantly have to replace them. Looks great when it works but it's a fine line.
Exactly.People were saying exactly the same thing about Southampton.
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Charlton before that
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A quick look at a Brentford forum reminds me how I fucking hate the fans of these pisspot 'Ooh, look at us in the top flight' / 'relegated after 5 years or so' clubs.
They get ideas above their station so quickly.
Brighton are the worst for that, fucking gatekeepers of pure football now
I suspect they are (but given they're a tiny club i've never even met a Brighton fan let alone know one). In fairness to them, they are the epitome of well run club and play fantastic football. Their problem is they have to get their transfer strategy right all of the time as they'll never be able to keep their best players so will constantly have to replace them. Looks great when it works but it's a fine line.
They are for now, but we’ve had those clubs before. Swansea were that club for a while. Ultimately sold their best players and lost their best managers/coaches and eventually went down. There’s Southampton. Who for a minute had all these top players and brilliant manager and then sold/lost them all, and years later will likely go down. Leicester, the same, won things, big things, but now on the verge of relegation. And now Brighton, and to a lesser extent Brentford. Have some excellent players, play attractive football, have aspiring managers doing well. Eventually they will lose those best pieces and won’t be able replace them fast enough or as adequately. They will slip down the table and go down or hover towards the bottom.
It’s hard for these small clubs to keep finding those rough diamonds and keep the pipeline full at the top level.
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Long may it continue that these upstarts keep breaking the Cartel
Yes they get up themselves but for the good of the league, you need it
even though they can be annoying
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Nooo Smithy I thought that was a great post!
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Your .xP has just been affected badly by this.
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We've had nothing but positive media coverage this week (I didn't watch the Tifo video on account of life being too short). I see this as the herald of the end of our good run, starting tomorrow.
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Saints or Charlton never hit the heights Brighton are, though. They're outplaying most teams and I expect them to spank Yanited at Wembley on Sunday and take points off Citeh and Arsenal in the run-in.
We'll do 'em on the last day of the season but that's only because we've got Super Unai Emery.
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We've had nothing but positive media coverage this week (I didn't watch the Tifo video on account of life being too short). I see this as the herald of the end of our good run, starting tomorrow.
This is the kind of analysis that makes sense to me (unironically, I absolutely agree this is what will happen).
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Your .xP has just been affected badly by this.
It may tell us something about his posting, but he's probably just unlucky.
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You can't move for articles on us and our Manager, the latest is in the Guardian. It's in stark contrast to a few weeks ago but the bedwetter in me (and others by the looks of things) is worried that it will all go wrong and once again, this is the sort of thing that we need to shake off.
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You can't move for articles on us and our Manager, the latest is in the Guardian. It's in stark contrast to a few weeks ago but the bedwetter in me (and others by the looks of things) is worried that it will all go wrong and once again, this is the sort of thing that we need to shake off.
I am going to have to use the phrase happy clapper so we can even out the H and V ying and Yang now the phrase bedwetter has been used.
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I think i preferred it when we were going unnoticed.
I do however find it amusing that i am now looking at the current top 5's fixtures to see where we could over take them.
Who would of thunk it
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The thing about great runs is they always come to and end. ALWAYS. Brentford are in pretty poor form right now, and beating them would pretty much guarantee us finishing above them and in the top 8, so I hope the run doesn't end tomorrow.
They're the draw specialists, so could see a score draw.
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Your .xP has just been affected badly by this.
😂
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You can't move for articles on us and our Manager, the latest is in the Guardian. It's in stark contrast to a few weeks ago but the bedwetter in me (and others by the looks of things) is worried that it will all go wrong and once again, this is the sort of thing that we need to shake off.
Journalists going on about Villa are the new vegans. Won’t fucking shut up about us.
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The thing about great runs is they always come to and end. ALWAYS. Brentford are in pretty poor form right now, and beating them would pretty much guarantee us finishing above them and in the top 8, so I hope the run doesn't end tomorrow.
They're the draw specialists, so could see a score draw.
I have us down to lose away at Man U and Liverpool. But this is a banana skin potentially, but is really about time we ended our bad run there…another record to fall?
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I must admit, I am starting to think that this can't go on forever and sooner or later, it feels inevitable that we're going to concede a goal.
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You can't move for articles on us and our Manager, the latest is in the Guardian. It's in stark contrast to a few weeks ago but the bedwetter in me (and others by the looks of things) is worried that it will all go wrong and once again, this is the sort of thing that we need to shake off.
Journalists going on about Villa are the new vegans. Won’t fucking shut up about us.
All vegans welcome to the Villa! Just f-ing stay away from The Villa Chippy!
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I reckon if we bag the two wins this week we'll be unstoppable and will go to Old Trafford and win as well, probably Anfield too.
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We've had nothing but positive media coverage this week (I didn't watch the Tifo video on account of life being too short). I see this as the herald of the end of our good run, starting tomorrow.
This is the kind of analysis that makes sense to me (unironically, I absolutely agree this is what will happen).
H&V's very own 'Unlucky Alfs' you two.
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We've had nothing but positive media coverage this week (I didn't watch the Tifo video on account of life being too short). I see this as the herald of the end of our good run, starting tomorrow.
This is the kind of analysis that makes sense to me (unironically, I absolutely agree this is what will happen).
H&V's very own 'Unlucky Alfs' you two.
Someone's foggin' gorra! Lee's got us winning the next four, Paulie's getting cocky about Villa defending (Villa!)...
It's like you've all forgotten how inscrutable are the gods, and how terrible is their wrath. You'll bring ruin on the city with this hubris.
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I'll be amazed if they get near our box, too busy still trembling from the last time we spanked them. Retreating into their shell won't do them any good, we'll still batter them, completing a comprehensive double as a gentle warm-up to the next few 'proper' games.
4-0 last time, I expect the same again.
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The thing about great runs is they always come to and end. ALWAYS. Brentford are in pretty poor form right now, and beating them would pretty much guarantee us finishing above them and in the top 8, so I hope the run doesn't end tomorrow.
They're the draw specialists, so could see a score draw.
I have us down to lose away at Man U and Liverpool. But this is a banana skin potentially, but is really about time we ended our bad run there…another record to fall?
The way I feel about us at the moment is that by Tuesday night we will have the same GD as ManU such is my confidence.
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I would quite like Ben Mee to provide a Traore assist for the winner tomorrow
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I would quite like Ben Mee's head to fall off and I hope our fans give him an afternoon to remember.
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For the first time in quite a while, I’ve got that “ When Saturday Comes” excitement! UTV
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I just wish I understood him.
https://www.marca.com/futbol/premier-league/2023/04/17/643d296546163fea928b45e9.html
Even if you don't understand the article, you can appreciate how regal he looks in the photo.
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The run will come to an end at some point. We'll need all our players to remain focused for this and not get complacent.
But listening to that press conference how can they not all be absolutely buzzing to continue!
Unai is something else.
It's worth noting that early on in his "shit" season at Arsenal he won 7 games in a row followed by 3 draws, then won 3 and drew one of the four after that. In short, he's used to these long unbeaten runs.
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I have this strange unrecognizable feeling
Confidence
2 nil to us without getting of second gear
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Just noticed that this game is being shown at 18.30 hrs French time on Canal+. I'll have to switch my phone's data connection off from 16.00 hrs then.
Try scrolling down ‘en direct’. The matches that don’t involve the Big 6 are not openly advertised, but are usually available this way. It’s a disgrace, but less so than with RMC who just didn’t show it at all. Perpetuating the power, laughing in the face of meritocracy. But it will likely be on.
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4.1 us.
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2-2 and Toney is going to miss another pen.
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We've had nothing but positive media coverage this week (I didn't watch the Tifo video on account of life being too short). I see this as the herald of the end of our good run, starting tomorrow.
This is the kind of analysis that makes sense to me (unironically, I absolutely agree this is what will happen).
Yep that’s my fear.
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For the first time in quite a while, I’ve got that “ When Saturday Comes” excitement! UTV
Yes, me too. It's a mixture of confidence and looking at the table and wondering how all this will play out. Like Emery has said, we could just as easily lose the next two as well as win them and we have to be prepared for when that happens because we will have a game where we don't click, it's enevitable. Let's hope it's not yet though.
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I thought we might come unstuck against the barcodes so I'll go with relentless pessimism again.
Just reposting this in case fate is getting any funny ideas about me being hubristic.
Still nervous.
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I'm suddenly running out of grounds I've never seen us win at. Here's to another tick today.
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2-2 and Toney is going to miss another pen.
You should get good odds on that.
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7 Bournemouth Lions on our way to Brentford. Busy day in London with the London Marathon tomorrow. Let's break this Brentford away curse. I've been to all 4 away games and each time a depressing defeat.UTV
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Brentford v Aston Villa preview: Team news, head-to-head, stats & prediction - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65283799
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A few records in our sights, then.
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This game concerns me more than any in recent weeks. Not because we cant beat Brentford, because on our day, we can. I just have a bad feeling that our run will come to an end soon. I think its due to being a Vila fan for over 40 years & our experiences are to build up hope & then dash them spectacularly. Don't get me wrong, I trust Emery & what he is building, I just have a bad feeling. I hope I am wrong.
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I thought we might come unstuck against the barcodes so I'll go with relentless pessimism again.
Just reposting this in case fate is getting any funny ideas about me being hubristic.
Still nervous.
Good man.
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Did Emery not have a 20+ unbeaten run with Arsenal? So it's not a new thing g for him
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I guess I'd call that an emphatically unchanged team! Shame still no Kamara on the bench.
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This game concerns me more than any in recent weeks. Not because we cant beat Brentford, because on our day, we can. I just have a bad feeling that our run will come to an end soon. I think its due to being a Vila fan for over 40 years & our experiences are to build up hope & then dash them spectacularly. Don't get me wrong, I trust Emery & what he is building, I just have a bad feeling. I hope I am wrong.
It'll probably come to an end against Barcehampton as they sing 'Mind the gap' songs....whilst being miles behind us.
The absolute simpletons.