Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: SaddVillan on March 19, 2023, 11:29:48 AM
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An interesting read for fans of clubs at whatever level. Pulis has some very interesting things to say.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/mar/18/championship-manager-churn-watford-huddersfield
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His style of football was horrendous but I can’t disagree with this. Unfortunately the game today is covered 24/7 by a media whose thirst for shock and awe headlines make it impossible for many to be given time. Hopefully the long term deal we’ve given our manager means the owners allow him to build our club.
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Ainsworth looks like a 70s bassist who quit smack for Buddhism.
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Ainsworth looks like a 70s bassist who quit smack for Buddhism.
Ha!
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Bugger patience. I’m 52 and I need to see us win the FA Cup before I cark it.
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Bugger patience. I’m 52 and I need to see us win the FA Cup before I cark it.
This all day long with bells on
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It’s not about being patient with the wrong person though. Patience got us years of Paul Lambert.
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An interesting read for fans of clubs at whatever level. Pulis has some very interesting things to say.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/mar/18/championship-manager-churn-watford-huddersfield
Any idea which players left Huddersfield last summer, presumably they had a few on loan?
They must be half decent to go from playoff final to bottom.
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Ainsworth looks like a 70s bassist who quit smack for Buddhism.
Him and McPhee kicked-back last night smoking dope together with some tinnies and Creedence Clearwater on Bluetooth speaker.
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An interesting read for fans of clubs at whatever level. Pulis has some very interesting things to say.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/mar/18/championship-manager-churn-watford-huddersfield
Any idea which players left Huddersfield last summer, presumably they had a few on loan?
They must be half decent to go from playoff final to bottom.
9 players left:
6 were at the end of their contracts: Álex Vallejo, Reece Brown, Jamal Blackman, Fraizer Campbell, Naby Sarr and Carel Eiting.
And 3 loanees who went back to their clubs: Levi Colwill, Danel Sinani and Tino Anjorin.
Huddersfield have been under pressure financially and the ownership has changed. You have to wonder if that's had an effect on their ability to recruit and retain players; which in turn translates into results?
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Basically it boils down to a lot of dumb owners with little knowledge of the game.
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It's been decades of 'jam tomorrow' at the Villa. Well fuck that, lets get moving and put everything into challenging for the domestic trophies next season.
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We've been patient for 27 years now. I think that's quite enough.
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It’s not about being patient with the wrong person though. Patience got us years of Paul Lambert.
Agreed, but impatience also gets you Steven Gerrard and wasting 12 months after getting rid of Dean Smith.
Owners, fans and players are always in a hurry. It’s understandable as you look at other how clubs are progressing and want some for yourself but it’s always best done with a plan rather than just hoping the next bloke will strike lucky,
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You have to be in a hurry, otherwise your best players get cherry-picked.
Kamara and Emi would be the two I'm most worried about this coming summer.
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From that article, and this is what it boils down to:
laven Bilic was the latest statistic in the merry-go-round, the second Watford dismissal of the campaign, after being given five and a half months. He was replaced within minutes – 17 to be precise – by the former Sheffield United manager Chris Wilder, who started the season at Middlesbrough.
Who was then sacked and replaced by someone who is doing significantly better than he was.
I also think it is a bit too convenient to use Watford as one of your main examples, everyone knows their owners are absolute fucking headcases (including Bilic when he took the job).
A bit like saying "You really can't trust medical workers, look at Harold Shipman".
I am sure some managers don't get enough time, but there are plenty who are appointed far too early in the first place (partly as a result of the fawning football establishment) and then given far too long when things are clearly going badly.
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There's a balance between patience and missing your big opportunity.
Ellis did the latter criminally. Lerner was unfortunate MON didn't quite have the guile to get us that final step - his lack of imagination in the transfer market cost us.
Right now this is our current big opportunity. We need to take it before Newcastle start to dominate. Possibly we're 12 months too late. It's unfortunate Man U and Arsenal now have fine managers and have found form.
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There's not really a lot of science to it, let's be honest. Carrick's doing well now, as is Kompany, but the Premier League is a different beast entirely. Vieira was being talked about in glowing terms, but then couldn't get out of the slump that seems to hit lots of inexperienced managers.
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There's not really a lot of science to it, let's be honest. Carrick's doing well now, as is Kompany, but the Premier League is a different beast entirely. Vieira was being talked about in glowing terms, but then couldn't get out of the slump that seems to hit lots of inexperienced managers.
This is why I think every manager needs a yo-yo club as one of their early jobs. A club where 7-8 games unbeaten isn't completely unheard of but also 7-8 without a win happens as well. Going to a 'big fish' and winning everything rarely creates managers who can replicate that success, especially if you step up to a tougher division. It was always my biggest concern with Gerrard because it risks tactical inflexibility and means the pressure the first time things go to shit hits so much harder. Carrick and Kompany are probably both in perfect jobs to be fair, a chance to show they can win games and get promotion and then a chance to show they can adapt to get enough points and avoid going straight back down. By the end of next season they'll either be the next big thing(s) or looking to rebuild their reputations, which is exactly how it should be for a young manager.
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There's not really a lot of science to it, let's be honest. Carrick's doing well now, as is Kompany, but the Premier League is a different beast entirely. Vieira was being talked about in glowing terms, but then couldn't get out of the slump that seems to hit lots of inexperienced managers.
This is why I think every manager needs a yo-yo club as one of their early jobs. A club where 7-8 games unbeaten isn't completely unheard of but also 7-8 without a win happens as well. Going to a 'big fish' and winning everything rarely creates managers who can replicate that success, especially if you step up to a tougher division. It was always my biggest concern with Gerrard because it risks tactical inflexibility and means the pressure the first time things go to shit hits so much harder. Carrick and Kompany are probably both in perfect jobs to be fair, a chance to show they can win games and get promotion and then a chance to show they can adapt to get enough points and avoid going straight back down. By the end of next season they'll either be the next big thing(s) or looking to rebuild their reputations, which is exactly how it should be for a young manager.
Kompany's work is particularly impressive as he's completley changed the way they've played for ages and got the results with it
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Said it before, I'll say it again. Just about every great manager has been sacked at some point.
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Said it before, I'll say it again. Just about every great manager has been sacked at some point.
F**k no - that means Gerrard's still got a chance of being great.