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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on December 26, 2022, 07:55:29 PM
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I’ve no idea what it was like as I was travelling and there was no commentary. Looking at the line ups we need about five new first team starters.
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The worst high line I have ever seen at Villa Park was from Liverpool in the 7-2.
Aston Villa........ Hold my beer.
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Pretty poor. Better in the second half but far too laboured and sloppy. Need to be much better - Konsa was especially poor.
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Positive. If we played any bottom half team today we’d have won.
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I thought we were absolutely awful at times and really good at others. Defensively, we seemed all at sea. Going forward, we missed a couple of sitters that I am confident I would have scored, even at my age! Andy Townsend has summed it up nicely, Villa are where they are because they have the quality of players who deserve to be 12th. Slightly harsh on a few of them but most of our players are ordinary, lack movement, make poor choices etc and I hope Emery replaces them bit by bit. Watkins scored with his hardest chance, he needs to improve and I am not sure he can. I don't like the formation as it leaves us too open. We are where we should be and need better players purchased.
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Loads of positives. Loads of negatives.
We need to take the chances we create, we need to defend better and we need a better back up goalkeeper. Surprised that the Manager didn't make his subs earlier but he's been proactive before so time will tell.
It's been a rotten fucking Boxing Day and you can always rely on the Villa to provide the cherry.
But, I saw enough to be optimistic about our new Manager.
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I thought the formation today was all wrong. However, taking everything into account, a draw would have been about right.
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You echoed what I said on the transfer thread. five new
weak across the pitch, give the ball away, get turned inside out by forwards, cant finish
No comment about the Goalie , the crowd sucked in their breath every time he was involved.
what a crap bench
There must be a handbook handed down from manager to manager that prohibits making a substitute early on in a game when it could make a difference, but to be fair apart from Ings for anyone I could not see the point either
You can only polish a turd so much so the manager has a big job ahead in strengthening the squad and getting them to perform
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Strange first half, as we created some good chances but just look so vulnerable at the back. Thought we were a lot better in the second half and were beginning to exert some pressure in the search for an equaliser, but we're getting caught on the break and it cost us eventually. It was game over after that.
If we are going to mix it at the level we just can't make so many basic errors throughout the team.
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The team seemed as ‘up for it’ as the crowd….and vice Vera.
Subdued and lack of energy for large parts.
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Missed some great chances and in parts, played very well, but defence was just laughable at times. Luiz had a woeful first half and much improved in second, Buendia pretty poor all game and can only assume Matty Cash was carrying a knock which is why he wasnt in team? Think defence will look different in five weeks time. Big shout out to John McGinn who was outstanding
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If the owners are really interested in challenging for European places then it’s clear what we need. A goalscorer, a central midfielder and a centre half. We cannot waste the huge chances that Watkins missed tonight, cannot be so physically weak in midfield and so defensively naive. I’m sure he sees this as we all do I pray we throw money at it and do something about it. It’s been blatantly obvious for some while now. It’s like Groundhog Day and it’s bloody frustrating.
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Why leave it so long to make any changes? Barely any of our players have played for six weeks, so they can't be tired already surely?
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Bring back Tammy.
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I can’t take many positives from that performance.
Same problems that have been there for too long now, vulnerable in defence, wasteful with the ball in midfield and unable to convert decent chances up front.
Add to this a complete lack of use of the bench until it’s too late and you have just another repeat performance and result.
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If we had played any team apart from top 8 we would have won this game. ATM we don’t have quite enough wherewithal to beat teams more fluid than us. Subs were too late but I think the way we improved in the second half made Unai a bit hesitant till that magic time wasting period. In any case we didn’t really have any game changers on the bench.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12774907/aston-villa-1-3-liverpool-premier-league-highlights
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I feel we missed the pace and power of Ramsey. Buendia struggled.
2nd half was good but the heads dropped when the 3rd went in with 10+ to go. We don't yet have a top team mentality, I'm confident Emery changes that.
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If we had played any team apart from top 8 we would have won this game. ATM we don’t have quite enough wherewithal to beat teams more fluid than us.
Disagree
You won’t win many games scoring only once from that amount of chances and being as vulnerable as we look defensively.
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If we had played any team apart from top 8 we would have won this game. ATM we don’t have quite enough wherewithal to beat teams more fluid than us. Subs were too late but I think the way we improved in the second half made Unai a bit hesitant till that magic time wasting period. In any case we didn’t really have any game changers on the bench.
Agree - lots of positives for me. Wasn’t expecting us to win and we didn’t but confident we will see additions in January and under Emery we will become a much better, fitter, smarter team.
UTV
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Buendia and Luiz gave a masterclass in giving the ball away. McGinn was good for 20 mins but anonymous after that. Watkins proved he needs too many chances. Konsa and Mings were horrendous.
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Liverpool needed to come racing out of the blocks following their indifferent first half of the season.
And isn't it swell they had Aston Villa to help them with that. We're nice that way.
Bar a brief period in the second half, our attacking play meandered between aimless and gormless. For all the talk of selling Coutinho, if I was Buendia, I'd be worried. 18 months at the club now and he still doesn't look any closer to a regular no 10 at this level. Plenty of endeavor but not enough finesse.
Klopp putting on three 14 year-olds at the end illustrated how easy it was for them at that point.
Load of shite.
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We had them pinned back in the second half til they scored their sucker-punch that was always on the cards. Ramsey instead of Buendia and we might have got a point or three.
We're not a bad team at all. Looking forward to what he does in January as I think we're only going to improve.
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Think a lot of our vulnerability is down to the right side of defence. Konsa /Young seem to leave acres for nippy forwards to exploit.
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Despite creating several chances, I thought we were shocking on the pitch and sideline today. Bar about a 10 min spell after we scored we never had any sense of control. Emery is chiefly to blame for me with his kamikaze tactics and failure to proactively change things at 1-2 Deano style. First game back so players were never likely to be at full pelt and tactically we should have adjusted for that.
Tactics aside, Konsa worries me now, I always thought he would come back to form but that seems increasingly unlikely. He looks finished to be honest, physically weak, cowardly on the ball and one paced. Mings time under Emery will be short lived too. There weren't many positives bar the much maligned McGinn who had his best game in a long time. Watkins scored the hardest chance of his three, sums him up. Bailey and Buendia particularly were woeful.
Olsen 5, Young 5, Konsa 2, Mings 2, Digne 4, Luiz 6, Kamara 7, McGinn 8, Buendia 3, Bailey 4, Watkins 6. Emery 3.
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If we had played any team apart from top 8 we would have won this game. ATM we don’t have quite enough wherewithal to beat teams more fluid than us.
Disagree
You won’t win many games scoring only once from that amount of chances and being as vulnerable as we look defensively.
We beat two top 6/7 teams right before the break.
We can finish 9th-10th with what we have available but of course to finish higher consistantly over next few seasons is going to require upgrades in 3-4 areas.
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If we had played any team apart from top 8 we would have won this game. ATM we don’t have quite enough wherewithal to beat teams more fluid than us.
Disagree
You won’t win many games scoring only once from that amount of chances and being as vulnerable as we look defensively.
We beat two top 6/7 teams right before the break.
So?
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Kamara is a proper, proper player.
I know the keeper plays a huge role but whenever we play without martinez, the entire back 4 shit their pants, Where's the fucking composure and leadership on the pitch.
We really missed JJ's ball carrying and pace I thought
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Can’t quite work out if that was a good or poor performance. Thought Ashley Young and Dougie were shocking first half, but improved after the break.
Keeper fills me with fear and appears to be cemented to his 6 yard box.
Ollie played well, but just can’t score for toffee, and Bailey full of energy and purpose.
Definitely wasn’t a performance worthy of a 1-3 defeat, but I will fully forgive them if they tonk those North London fuckwits next game.
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Not sure 4 4 2 was the right formation at all but played some good stuff at times, need to be more clinical with chances we get.
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Still better than 90% of the shit served up under Gerrard….
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I can only agree with most of the comments above.
We were good at times but bad at other times.
I thought Kamara and Digne were our best today.
Buendía's judgment and passing was awry, the central defenders were at sixes and sevens, although admittedly not helped by a bizarre high line against pacy forwards.
Bailey was reverting back to his usual level of impact. He has as much pace as Núñez, who was admittedly wasteful himself at times, but used it to little effect. I was surprised Emery didn't try Bailey down the left at some stage although the way he was playing it probably wouldn't have mattered.
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Despite creating several chances, I thought we were shocking on the pitch and sideline today. Bar about a 10 min spell after we scored we never had any sense of control. Emery is chiefly to blame for me with his kamikaze tactics and failure to proactively change things at 1-2 Deano style. First game back so players were never likely to be at full pelt and tactically we should have adjusted for that.
Tactics aside, Konsa worries me now, I always thought he would come back to form but that seems increasingly unlikely. He looks finished to be honest, physically weak, cowardly on the ball and one paced. Mings time under Emery will be short lived too. There weren't many positives bar the much maligned McGinn who had his best game in a long time. Watkins scored the hardest chance of his three, sums him up. Bailey and Buendia particularly were woeful.
Olsen 5, Young 5, Konsa 2, Mings 2, Digne 4, Luiz 6, Kamara 7, McGinn 8, Buendia 3, Bailey 4, Watkins 6. Emery 3.
Pretty brutal ratings. If today gets those ratings I hate to think what some of our other matches have scored. We were much better than these scores imo.
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We were on top for most of the second half, so much so that Klopp strengthened at the back and slowed the game down. So much to like about Watkins but he will never be a natural finisher, agree with most that we need three or four top players bought in, lets hope.
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Physically and mentally too weak
No sense of leadership on the pitch and we noticeably gave up when the 3rd went in
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Watching Konsa chase whichever it was of Salah or Nunez (probably both) was like watching Gareth Barry chase Ozil in that match against Germany in 2010.
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Both Pundits Owen and Ex Arse guy who I don not like were trying to be polite at half time saying, Watkins tries hard, they both love him but at best he is an average finisher. Not good enough.
Go along with Bronti scorecard except for Luiz who I would give 4 and Watkins who only gets a mention because of his goal.
Commentator said, best cross of the game and Watkins could not miss
Townsend also right, team full of players who deserve to finish 12th
Money to be spent wisely on players that can make a difference if we expect any different outcomes
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Yeah I think the lack of leadership on the pitch is a real problem. The spine of the team with Carlos and Martinez is much stronger, but we need at least one attacker with composure and belief
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Watching Konsa chase whichever it was of Salah or Nunez (probably both) was like watching Gareth Barry chase Ozil in that match against Germany in 2010.
That was the problem throughout the whole match
If you are playing a high line then you need pacy defenders to be able to turn and recover when the ball gets played through the middle
None of our back four today are speed merchants and we got caught out time and again
Thankfully their finishing was almost as bad as ours
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Just so you know, talksport made Watkins the motm. Not sure what they were watching!
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I feel we missed the pace and power of Ramsey. Buendia struggled.
2nd half was good but the heads dropped when the 3rd went in with 10+ to go. We don't yet have a top team mentality, I'm confident Emery changes that.
Agree about Ramsey, I said it during the game. His running would have made a difference. I didn't think we were that bad overall and defiantly not 'shocking' as Bronte put it, that's is just his usual nonsense.
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Despite creating several chances, I thought we were shocking on the pitch and sideline today. Bar about a 10 min spell after we scored we never had any sense of control. Emery is chiefly to blame for me with his kamikaze tactics and failure to proactively change things at 1-2 Deano style. First game back so players were never likely to be at full pelt and tactically we should have adjusted for that.
Tactics aside, Konsa worries me now, I always thought he would come back to form but that seems increasingly unlikely. He looks finished to be honest, physically weak, cowardly on the ball and one paced. Mings time under Emery will be short lived too. There weren't many positives bar the much maligned McGinn who had his best game in a long time. Watkins scored the hardest chance of his three, sums him up. Bailey and Buendia particularly were woeful.
Olsen 5, Young 5, Konsa 2, Mings 2, Digne 4, Luiz 6, Kamara 7, McGinn 8, Buendia 3, Bailey 4, Watkins 6. Emery 3.
Pretty brutal ratings. If today gets those ratings I hate to think what some of our other matches have scored. We were much better than these scores imo.
Agree, ridiculously reactionary comments and scores. We let them have too much time on the ball from the back 1st half and Trent was pulling the strings a bit. Far better 2nd half, and we deserved a draw i thought. Don’t Like scapegoats, but Olsen rushing out like a nutter was mad, if he stays in his line, I don’t think they score.
I also dont know what subs Emery could of made really. Watkins missed chances, but was holding it up and winning flick ons, not Ings game, not sure anyone else would of made a difference tonight.
Im going to Spurs, i can see us winning.
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A real mixed bag. Liverpool wobble when put under pressure, but one ball over our pretty pedestrian backline meant we were always in trouble.
Kamara, McGinn & Watkins excellent. Luiz & Buendia not so. Bailey could be a game changer if he didn't tie his shoelaces togehter.
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I think he does it for effect now and its getting boring. We were not shocking at all.
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I thought we did alright, certainly seen us play far worse. There was some inexplicable miscuing from Bailey in particular and Olsen gives the defence a panicky feel from kick off. But the result was in the balance till the last ten minutes against a team and squad who are much stronger than us.
Play to that level against most sides in the league and we’ll be fine.
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We created enough chances to get something out of the game. The defence seemed far less assured with Olsen behind them as if they didn't trust him. Olsen did make some decent saves but his positioning and anticipation frighten the life out of me so I can quite understand that. His starting position just doesn't seem high enough to sweep up through balls but the defensive high line just made this appear to be a bigger issue.
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I thought the defence played far too high up the pitch really. That didn't help.
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The performance in that defeat was still head and shoulders above any of the bile we played under Gerrard. I hate losing to that lot, but how anyone can slate the team after that performance, considering what we’ve been served up in recent years, is beyond me.
McGinn is the player who seems to have benefited the most from the change at the top. Played himself into a bit of form since Unai has come in. Not his biggest fan, but credit where it’s due 👍🏼
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I thought we did alright, certainly seen us play far worse. There was some inexplicable miscuing from Bailey in particular and Olsen gives the defence a panicky feel from kick off. But the result was in the balance till the last ten minutes against a team and squad who are much stronger than us.
Play to that level against most sides in the league and we’ll be fine 12th.
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FTFY.
Edit: ah fuck it!
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The performance in that defeat was still head and shoulders above any of the bile we played under Gerrard. I hate losing to that lot, but how anyone can slate the team after that performance, considering what we’ve been served up in recent years, is beyond me.
Maybe people are just a bit Fed up of another plucky loser performance.
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I've seen enough from the performance to be optimistic , particulary in the 20 mins or so after half time. Watkins' header was as good as I've seen him score, hopefully that will boost his confidence, 3rd goal obviously killed us. Looking forward to having Golden Gloves back hopefully on Sunday, which will give the back 4 more confidence.
Looking at the next 4 league matches, after Spurs, I would be disappointed if you don't at least get 3 wins out of them.
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And a shout out to the knob In front of me who got arsey with a misplaced pass from Mings after 80 odd minutes when he hadnt put a foot wrong all game. A few words were exchanged but I wish he hadn't come back when he fucked off when the second goal went in. Twat.
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They've got pace in Darwin and Salah, so we didn't play Cash, who is our quickest defender? If Darwin had brought his shooting boots the scoreline would have been much worse.
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What I did not understand was playing a high line with no press.
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And a shout out to the knob In front of me who got arsey with a misplaced pass from Mings after 80 odd minutes when he hadnt put a foot wrong all game. A few words were exchanged but I wish he hadn't come back when he fucked off when the second goal went in. Twat.
They're everywhere I'm afraid, Clampy.
But don't agree that Mings didn't put a foot wrong. He wasn't awful, but he wasn't great, either. Concentration levels leave much to be desired.
I do think that he needs a spell alongside Carlos when he's fit to return, however.
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Both Pundits Owen and Ex Arse guy who I don not like were trying to be polite at half time saying, Watkins tries hard, they both love him but at best he is an average finisher. Not good enough.
Go along with Bronti scorecard except for Luiz who I would give 4 and Watkins who only gets a mention because of his goal.
Commentator said, best cross of the game and Watkins could not miss
Townsend also right, team full of players who deserve to finish 12th
Money to be spent wisely on players that can make a difference if we expect any different outcomes
Thought Luiz had a decent second half after a brutal first half. Great ball in for the goal. Thought our midfield two had a very strong 20 mins or so after half time.
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Surprised by the relative criticism of Luiz and praise for McGinn. Admittedly Luiz should not have gotten into a foot race with Salah but McGinn really should have buried that chance that he headed into the ground. Pretty much on par with each other.
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bloke in front of me said at half-time we were good for a goal, but Liverpool were
good for two or three, I think that’s probably about right
I thought 1-3 was probably a fair reflection, but we did create some good chances which was a positive
Maybe it would have been a different game if we had Martinez, Cash and the injured Carlos back in the defence, that day will come so I’m not too disheartened
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And a shout out to the knob In front of me who got arsey with a misplaced pass from Mings after 80 odd minutes when he hadnt put a foot wrong all game. A few words were exchanged but I wish he hadn't come back when he fucked off when the second goal went in. Twat.
They're everywhere I'm afraid, Clampy.
But don't agree that Mings didn't put a foot wrong. He wasn't awful, but he wasn't great, either. Concentration levels leave much to be desired.
I do think that he needs a spell alongside Carlos when he's fit to return, however.
What exactly did he do wrong though?
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I thought we did alright, certainly seen us play far worse. There was some inexplicable miscuing from Bailey in particular and Olsen gives the defence a panicky feel from kick off. But the result was in the balance till the last ten minutes against a team and squad who are much stronger than us.
Play to that level against most sides in the league and we’ll be fine 12th.
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FTFY.
Edit: ah fuck it!
Yeah that’s about right. Play like we did today against most teams and we’d probably achieve one of our best positions in the table this decade.
Room for improvement obviously, places where we could improve the squad, undoubtedly. Want us to be better than we are? Hell yeah. But I don’t see
this performance as any kind of low tide mark or cause for any major concern at all. We were pretty decent, which is a stage we’ll be at for a while between being shit under Gerrard and European champions under Emery.
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Frustrating game as Salah aside they were there for taking, credit to Klopp for changing the midfield when we were getting on top.
I am at the same point as I was with Gerrard a year ago, if Emery wants to change literally any of the team I couldn’t blame him….Martinez, Ramsey, Kamara & Bailey probs safe, any others have to be vulnerable.
We are a mid table side, capable of being very good at times but far too many brain farts. Olsen made a couple very tidy stops but his kicking makes Bosnich look like Messi…Konsa & Buendia very poor, McGinn, Bailey & Kamara looked good, Watkins worked his nuts off and won a fair amount of ball vs Matip but still doesn’t make you think he is prolific.
Referee was a Liverpool fanboy…just give him a signed shirt & then tell him to referee the game as though two teams were on the pitch.
Atmosphere after the light show was tepid at best.
Weird seeing Klopp watching our team intently warm up from half way
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They are way better than us.
We can beat them on on a good day.
Good days are scarce.
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The team largely picks itself every week, because of the paucity of alternatives, and too many in it aren't really up for it.
I appreciate there's an argument about the high defensive line and the slow substitutions, but the weakness today looked more about the players failing than the manager.
Luiz spent the entire first half giving the ball away absolutely hopelessly, Konsa just looks like he's nowhere near good enough for this level, Mings played his normal 'body-on-the-line-last-ditch' performance rather than the 'stop-the-last-ditch-from-happening-in-the-first-place' which a better defender would manage, Ashley Young looked his age, and Watkins showed us yet again how many chances he has to fluff before he converts one.
Not sure how many more times we're going to have to see the above, but hopefully not many.
On the positive side, McGinn played much better than he has done in most matches over the last two years, despite looking scary and frightening the defence Olsen did alright, and Kamara looked excellent.
It wasn't an awful performance, it was the sort of 'meh' showing that you're going to get from a team where we are.
What it did show was that we need to start getting a lot more realistic about some of these players, and begin to buy in improvements.
That's going to probably mean spending more on players than we usually do. Recent years, Wolves have been shopping for more expensive players than we have. That needs to change.
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They are way better than us.
We can beat them on on a good day.
Good days are scarce.
I don't think Liverpool are up to much these days. Great forwards for sure, Nunez will come good I think. But legs are gone in midfield and average enough at the back. They conceded some amount of clear chances today, created plenty, mind.
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If we had played any team apart from top 8 we would have won this game. ATM we don’t have quite enough wherewithal to beat teams more fluid than us.
Disagree
You won’t win many games scoring only once from that amount of chances and being as vulnerable as we look defensively.
We beat two top 6/7 teams right before the break.
So?
So we do have quality and can score 3s v Man. United and 2 at Brighton who had another good win today.
We lost to a team that come May will finish comfortably top 4 so as much as I hate to say it these games won't matter too much in finishing top 10, beating likes of Wolves and Leeds does.
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I thought the defence played far too high up the pitch really. That didn't help.
Can't do that at Spurs. They are pretty average currently but Son and Kuluveski will destroy us like in the VP game in April.
Hopefully Unai will tweak things and Emi and Cash returning will strengthen the unit considerably.
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They are way better than us.
We can beat them on on a good day.
Good days are scarce.
I don't think Liverpool are up to much these days. Great forwards for sure, Nunez will come good I think. But legs are gone in midfield and average enough at the back. They conceded some amount of clear chances today, created plenty, mind.
They've still beaten Man. City and Spurs this season and were very comfortable in their CL group. I think they'll finish top 4 and would be amazed if we're within 20 points of them. Salah today was world class in terms of touch, composure, movement so sometimes that's enough to win you many games in this league.
Chelsea is a team we can have a go finishing above for first time in 20 odd years as they're certainly in a state of flux currently.
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From reading the mobile view the strikeout option has been worn out. Wow
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I thought the defence played far too high up the pitch really. That didn't help.
Can't do that at Spurs. They are pretty average currently but Son and Kuluveski will destroy us like in the VP game in April.
Hopefully Unai will tweak things and Emi and Cash returning will strengthen the unit considerably.
Playing a high line with Mings and Konsa against Son will be a disaster
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I have no scientific data for this statement, but I think this is a very low turnout on a post-match thread.
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I have no scientific data for this statement, but I think this is a very low turnout on a post-match thread.
I presume people have eaten far too many pigs in blankets.
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I have no scientific data for this statement, but I think this is a very low turnout on a post-match thread.
I presume people have eaten far too many pigs in blankets.
You might be well be right, but I think many posters don't give fuck, cos we ain't going down, and we ain't winning anything, and we took a long time getting here.
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Was Kamara excellent? I still don't really see it with him. Technically decent but is he the player that's going to drive the midfield forward?
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Man that game was fucking annoying on so many levels.
We lost to better finishers and yet we created so many chances that were spurned it could have been 7-2 to us.
Why must we have a reserve goalie who is a damn jelly between the sticks.
No subs made - does UE not trust any of them ? Bit Deano-esque
Bailey left his shooting boots in the dressing room,
No closing down of the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' in first half so they were able to control the game.
We should have got a point in this game.
Hopefully we’ll get some bodies in Jan and take us up a notch. The Mings and Konsa axis is coming to an end soon.
Where is this ‘mind the gap’ bollucks I used to hear on radio wm regularly from a jumped up backwater bottlers fans - it’s not reciprocated because they’re an irrelevance like yesterdays toilet paper.
The excitement pre match was doused because they scored so early, followed by repeated spurned chances, wobbly goal kicks and wayward passes.
Can see us losing at spuds with this carry on.
Come on UE - shake them up!
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The first half was very poor. Dendoncker had a great game against Yanited and was decent for Belgium in the WC but benched for this game? He has the height and physicality lacking tonight. You simply can't give the ball away against a top side like Liverpool - especially in the first-half. The high line was suicidal and exploited by quick passing and diagonal long balls in behind the back line.
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Kamara is a proper, proper player.
I know the keeper plays a huge role but whenever we play without martinez, the entire back 4 shit their pants, Where's the fucking composure and leadership on the pitch.
We really missed JJ's ball carrying and pace I thought
Agree 100% with this. He can receive the ball in any area and comfortably control it and find a team mate. We need to surround him with others of the same ilk and then we’ll be a very decent side. At the moment the ability to pass and move with any pace at all just isn’t there often enough.
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I can’t take many positives from that performance.
Same problems that have been there for too long now, vulnerable in defence, wasteful with the ball in midfield and unable to convert decent chances up front.
Add to this a complete lack of use of the bench until it’s too late and you have just another repeat performance and result.
Correct. Same old shit just a different day.
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Was Kamara excellent? I still don't really see it with him. Technically decent but is he the player that's going to drive the midfield forward?
I thought he was excellent today - especially second half. He isn't the one to drive us forwards but rather the base we start from, hopefully allowing others to do whatever they're supposed to be good at.
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Everyone seems to be in agreement with you so I'll bow to the common opinion.
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Was Kamara excellent? I still don't really see it with him. Technically decent but is he the player that's going to drive the midfield forward?
I thought he was excellent today - especially second half. He isn't the one to drive us forwards but rather the base we start from, hopefully allowing others to do whatever they're supposed to be good at.
There's a bit of a worry that he doesn't spot danger quickly enough from counter attacks. There shouldn't be situations where both Kamara and Luiz are caught ahead of the ball like what happened a number of times today. But he had a good game in the main in terms of winning the ball and distributing it quickly.
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Suprised that many thought McGinn had a good game. I know he had to play as cover to Young especially in the first half but going forward, apart from his miss in front of goal he was inaffective. He is one player we could get a good return on.
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Suprised that many thought McGinn had a good game. I know he had to play as cover to Young especially in the first half but going forward, apart from his miss in front of goal he was inaffective. He is one player we could get a good return on.
Put ball on plate for Watkins to miss the sitter early on. The further away he is from our goal the better he is. Would wish he stopped shooting from outside the box though, or trying to and inevitably getting blocked.
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Can't say I'm a big fan of this 4-4-2. Bailey isn't really a striker, and Buendia isn't quick enough to play as an othodox winger.
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We created enough to win the game.
McGinn is the difference . A better player and I think we would have won.
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I found this game disappointing we pushed to high up from the back thank goodness Nunez isn’t your usual lethal Liverpool Striker. Watkins is very hit and miss I’d prefer him in the role of second striker coming in from out wide. We go on to Spurs and I can’t see us getting anything except more experience the Emery way ,which I hope is the way ahead.
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Why was Ings dropped to the bench having scored 4 goals in 4 games prior to the World Cup, including both goals at Brighton?
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We have very able mid table players in abundance but there is only a handful that I wouldn't want to sell for decent money.
If we cannot strengthen in January I worry that the players we want to keep will be looking elsewhere, which is history repeating itself.
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Olsen is strange goalkeeper.
He appears to instil zero confidence in the players in front of him, quite the opposite actually, his distribution is woeful, his kicking was absolutely rubbish and his panicky reactions cost us the the third, killer goal.
All that said he made a few great saves that probably stoped the scoreline from being very embarrassing.
Clearly, nowhere near good enough though.
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Can’t believe some of the doom and gloom on here. Yes we are short of quality in some key areas but I saw a team beginning to come to terms with the new manager’s ways. At times we were very good and had a top side on the ropes for large periods so for me it’s going in the right direction in what is only Emery’s third PL game, so give the guy a chance!
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An off day but we’ve had far bigger off days in 2022. Plenty of positives to take forward.
My brother in law is a Liverpool fan and said we will create chances against them which we did. A centre forward who could finish them and the legs from midfield would have made this game much closer. That said if they had a forward who could finish, we’d have been battered!
Kamara is a Rolls Royce of a player
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Can’t believe some of the doom and gloom on here. Yes we are short of quality in some key areas but I saw a team beginning to come to terms with the new manager’s ways. At times we were very good and had a top side on the ropes for large periods so for me it’s going in the right direction in what is only Emery’s third PL game, so give the guy a chance!
Not sure it’s doom and gloom (couple of people aside who would find misery in winning a cup final lol) but more frustration….we could and should have got something out of that game.
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I really like Kamara. He's going to be a pivotal player going forward. I'm not convinced by Doug and I think it's time we move McGinn on. Ramsey, Kamara and an other should be the power in our engine room. A new keeper is an absolute must and two new strikers would be wonderful. Ings is ageing and Ollie is just too wasteful. I watched the re-run on motd and counted SEVEN really good chances to score. Converting just one of those tells the story of where we are right now. I think Unai will be given the time and the backing to make us a force to be reckoned with and I'm optimistic that he will be the one to break our 26 years of hurt without a trophy.
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It was obvious that Liverpool had played a recent competitive game in the last week, they came out in the first 45 minutes match sharp and we came out from a training session, slowly building up to speed.
I was crying out for subs towards the end of the 1st first half; then the 2nd half started and we played so much better that it was hard to see what subs could have made any difference to the much improved performance - excellent half time team talk.
If we have played any team other than Liverpool or City, (see above opening comment), I believe we would have won with that 2nd half performance, with a little more composure up front we should have earned the draw regardless.
I like what Emery is doing and showing, and we definitely need some better players.
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Couldn’t attend last night. Watched the 1st half from ko on mute. Switched off when I saw that Cnut macmuncher on our sacred turf at h/t. What I saw was pish though we did create some good chances. I gather 2nd half we were better. Their lwb was afforded too much space. McGinn is not an auxiliary rb Young should never be one of 3 cbs, which is where he looked to be playing last night in the 1st 45. FO to the furrowed brow merchants!
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We are starting to play some excellent football mixed with schoolboy errors.
Unai has us playing with more confidence on the ball, more responsibility being taken by players (less sideways/backwards crap) and less hoof. We are heading in the right direction and I believe Unai is smart enough to know where the weaknesses lie.
Mings/Konsa partnership is on its last legs.
Buendia or Coutinho need to step up soon and be counted.
More clinical in front of goal.
Liverpool got the rub of the green. If it was a boxing match, a draw would have been a fair result.
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• Thought Liverpool’s first goal had real quality in the two passes to Salah. Yes, he probably should have been better marked but sometimes it’s easy to ignore the quality which creates the moment.
• Don’t think their second should have stood as Nunez looked offside before the corner. It also got a generous deflection on route in.
• I thought Emery’s approach was justified as we created a number of guilt edge chances which we didn’t take. I’d rather us have a go then not.
• For all his virtue’s, Ollie is simply not clinical enough as our leading striker to take us where we want to go. I think it might be a good thing for both parties to have a change.
• Apart from a couple of moments dropping the shoulder, thought Bailey was awful.
• Olsen puts the rest of the team under pressure. Did wonder whether he could have done better on the third goal. Seemed to push it out into the worst possible area. He did make a couple of good saves but he is a car crash waiting to happen.
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Whatever else we did in the game, and there was some good stuff, we conceded three really poor goals - particularly the first where we were caught out by nobody (apart from Allison) spotting Robertson’s run from deep. The goal all came from that.
What really annoyed me yesterday though was how many of our players fall to the ground as soon as an opponent breathes near them - We are so lightweight it’s pathetic. Luiz and Digne were guilty of it several times, Buendia and McGinn as well. How do they ever manage to bring a round back from the bar in a crowded pub?
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Quote from someone I know who went last night…. They’ve never heard so much racism and misogyny at a game before.
Oh dear.
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I felt the game typified a few things, for both clubs and also individuals too.
Liverpool were better at one end of the pitch and had a player in Salah that was excellent. We defended poorly for two set pieces in the first half, one being the recycled ball showing Trent A-A's class in an attacking sense. About 5 minutes later he headed a defensive clearance inside his own box back to a central position and directly to an unmarked Villa player and we should have scored. I might copy those last for words of the previous sentence so I can paste them liberally across this post.
We made chances, excellent ones and we didn't capitalise. Watkins has been guilty for a long time of not being clinical enough and yesterday it cost us. Inside a minute, a header, a pulled back cross six yards to a space he vacated- frustrating.
Particularly so when he bullied Matip, won most things 30 yards from goal, squared them up plenty- but the key is what happens in the box.
Second half we improved and bossed them centrally for long periods. It was a credit to the Kamara (in particular) and Luiz axis that we overran them and forced them to cycle midfield options. We cut through them regularly and with some very good movement. Insert cut and paste line here. The silence of the away fans, despite winning, for a good 30 minutes in the second half, spoke volumes.
Nunez was a threat with his pace, our high line with Young a problem first half and second moreso because our midfield were 10 yards higher up creating more problems for Liverpool, but exposing us a little more. For £80m I'd expect somebody capable of finishing myself, but perhaps I'm picky.
I don't like us being plucky losers, but it was a good game in its openess, one where if we'd have secured a point, it wouldn't have been unjust. The absence of defensive cohesion on a few occasions not helped by missing 40% of our starting backline (60% I guess with Carlos). I feel Martinez in particular would have made a huge difference. If you're confident in your keeper, you're 100% concentrated on what's in front of you.
Subs were late, but I'm not sure what I'd have done as a manager to change matters. Given the way Liverpool play, Ings wouldn't have created the issues Watkins did. Coutinho hasn't put a game in for a significant period, so it's a tricky one. We need a forward and another wide player with pace.
Plenty not good enough and plenty to be encouraged by. Very "12th".
Merry Christmas.
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I felt the game typified a few things, for both clubs and also individuals too.
Liverpool were better at one end of the pitch and had a player in Salah that was excellent. We defended poorly for two set pieces in the first half, one being the recycled ball showing Trent A-A's class in an attacking sense. About 5 minutes later he headed a defensive clearance inside his own box back to a central position and directly to an unmarked Villa player and we should have scored. I might copy those last for words of the previous sentence so I can paste them liberally across this post.
We made chances, excellent ones and we didn't capitalise. Watkins has been guilty for a long time of not being clinical enough and yesterday it cost us. Inside a minute, a header, a pulled back cross six yards to a space he vacated- frustrating.
Particularly so when he bullied Matip, won most things 30 yards from goal, squared them up plenty- but the key is what happens in the box.
Second half we improved and bossed them centrally for long periods. It was a credit to the Kamara (in particular) and Luiz axis that we overran them and forced them to cycle midfield options. We cut through them regularly and with some very good movement. Insert cut and paste line here. The silence of the away fans, despite winning, for a good 30 minutes in the second half, spoke volumes.
Nunez was a threat with his pace, our high line with Young a problem first half and second moreso because our midfield were 10 yards higher up creating more problems for Liverpool, but exposing us a little more. For £80m I'd expect somebody capable of finishing myself, but perhaps I'm picky.
I don't like us being plucky losers, but it was a good game in its openess, one where if we'd have secured a point, it wouldn't have been unjust. The absence of defensive cohesion on a few occasions not helped by missing 40% of our starting backline (60% I guess with Carlos). I feel Martinez in particular would have made a huge difference. If you're confident in your keeper, you're 100% concentrated on what's in front of you.
Subs were late, but I'm not sure what I'd have done as a manager to change matters. Given the way Liverpool play, Ings wouldn't have created the issues Watkins did. Coutinho hasn't put a game in for a significant period, so it's a tricky one. We need a forward and another wide player with pace.
Plenty not good enough and plenty to be encouraged by. Very "12th".
Merry Christmas.
Nailed it
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I felt the game typified a few things, for both clubs and also individuals too.
Liverpool were better at one end of the pitch and had a player in Salah that was excellent. We defended poorly for two set pieces in the first half, one being the recycled ball showing Trent A-A's class in an attacking sense. About 5 minutes later he headed a defensive clearance inside his own box back to a central position and directly to an unmarked Villa player and we should have scored. I might copy those last for words of the previous sentence so I can paste them liberally across this post.
We made chances, excellent ones and we didn't capitalise. Watkins has been guilty for a long time of not being clinical enough and yesterday it cost us. Inside a minute, a header, a pulled back cross six yards to a space he vacated- frustrating.
Particularly so when he bullied Matip, won most things 30 yards from goal, squared them up plenty- but the key is what happens in the box.
Second half we improved and bossed them centrally for long periods. It was a credit to the Kamara (in particular) and Luiz axis that we overran them and forced them to cycle midfield options. We cut through them regularly and with some very good movement. Insert cut and paste line here. The silence of the away fans, despite winning, for a good 30 minutes in the second half, spoke volumes.
Nunez was a threat with his pace, our high line with Young a problem first half and second moreso because our midfield were 10 yards higher up creating more problems for Liverpool, but exposing us a little more. For £80m I'd expect somebody capable of finishing myself, but perhaps I'm picky.
I don't like us being plucky losers, but it was a good game in its openess, one where if we'd have secured a point, it wouldn't have been unjust. The absence of defensive cohesion on a few occasions not helped by missing 40% of our starting backline (60% I guess with Carlos). I feel Martinez in particular would have made a huge difference. If you're confident in your keeper, you're 100% concentrated on what's in front of you.
Subs were late, but I'm not sure what I'd have done as a manager to change matters. Given the way Liverpool play, Ings wouldn't have created the issues Watkins did. Coutinho hasn't put a game in for a significant period, so it's a tricky one. We need a forward and another wide player with pace.
Plenty not good enough and plenty to be encouraged by. Very "12th".
Merry Christmas.
Nailed it
Was about to post the same.
I came away disappointed with the result but with plenty of positives from our display.
It's obvious I know but we created more than enough and we missed the influence of Martinez hugely.
Kamara at times was magnificent to watch
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Was Kamara excellent? I still don't really see it with him. Technically decent but is he the player that's going to drive the midfield forward?
Yes Kamara was good. He could be an awesome player for us with a little bit of help from Unai.
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Ads and Leon have both summed up my thoughts from the game. The same weaknesses that we knew about before the WC were major factors again - Nyland is an unreliable Keeper and we waste too many good chances.
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And a shout out to the knob In front of me who got arsey with a misplaced pass from Mings after 80 odd minutes when he hadnt put a foot wrong all game. A few words were exchanged but I wish he hadn't come back when he fucked off when the second goal went in. Twat.
They're everywhere I'm afraid, Clampy.
But don't agree that Mings didn't put a foot wrong. He wasn't awful, but he wasn't great, either. Concentration levels leave much to be desired.
I do think that he needs a spell alongside Carlos when he's fit to return, however.
What exactly did he do wrong though?
Trying not be critical of the overall team performance yesterday but seeing as you asked; He only defelected two in for them and was part of the defence that conceded 3 and could have been more, nothing else.
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Ads and Leon have both summed up my thoughts from the game. The same weaknesses that we knew about before the WC were major factors again - Nyland is an unreliable Keeper and we waste too many good chances.
Yes as he didn't even turn up yesterday. Apparently still celebrating Xmas in Leipzig.
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The team largely picks itself every week, because of the paucity of alternatives, and too many in it aren't really up for it.
I appreciate there's an argument about the high defensive line and the slow substitutions, but the weakness today looked more about the players failing than the manager.
Luiz spent the entire first half giving the ball away absolutely hopelessly, Konsa just looks like he's nowhere near good enough for this level, Mings played his normal 'body-on-the-line-last-ditch' performance rather than the 'stop-the-last-ditch-from-happening-in-the-first-place' which a better defender would manage, Ashley Young looked his age, and Watkins showed us yet again how many chances he has to fluff before he converts one.
Not sure how many more times we're going to have to see the above, but hopefully not many.
On the positive side, McGinn played much better than he has done in most matches over the last two years, despite looking scary and frightening the defence Olsen did alright, and Kamara looked excellent.
It wasn't an awful performance, it was the sort of 'meh' showing that you're going to get from a team where we are.
What it did show was that we need to start getting a lot more realistic about some of these players, and begin to buy in improvements.
That's going to probably mean spending more on players than we usually do. Recent years, Wolves have been shopping for more expensive players than we have. That needs to change.
That’s about where I am, too.
That said, we know Luiz can be, and has been, much better, while Konsa, frustratingly, has been at a level where he was being touted for England.
I think Ollie is great, but he’s not the one to fire us up the table.
I suppose a bit like John Deehan, in the 70’s, not prolific, but will chip in with goals and assists. Certainly worth keeping.
Maybe he just needs his ‘Andy Gray’ to play alongside in a front 3?
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And a shout out to the knob In front of me who got arsey with a misplaced pass from Mings after 80 odd minutes when he hadnt put a foot wrong all game. A few words were exchanged but I wish he hadn't come back when he fucked off when the second goal went in. Twat.
They're everywhere I'm afraid, Clampy.
But don't agree that Mings didn't put a foot wrong. He wasn't awful, but he wasn't great, either. Concentration levels leave much to be desired.
I do think that he needs a spell alongside Carlos when he's fit to return, however.
What exactly did he do wrong though?
Trying not be critical of the overall team performance yesterday but seeing as you asked; He only defelected two in for them and was part of the defence that conceded 3 and could have been more, nothing else.
They said Mings on MOTD but if you watch it closely it went in off Konsa’s arm.
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Can’t believe some of the doom and gloom on here. Yes we are short of quality in some key areas but I saw a team beginning to come to terms with the new manager’s ways. At times we were very good and had a top side on the ropes for large periods so for me it’s going in the right direction in what is only Emery’s third PL game, so give the guy a chance!
This was the thought I had as I walked away from the ground. We clearly need a top-class striker - Watkins could have had a hat-trick last night - but we are definitely brighter, more assertive and mobile than we have been this season.
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People do realise we can lose to Liverpool and still finish top half?
Spurs and Liverpool both lost to them in similar circumstances and both for now are in the top 4.
If we're making bad errors and Emery is waiting until 85th minute to make a sub v Wolves in a game we're losing then I'll start getting worried that nothing much is going to change.
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Ads and Leon have both summed up my thoughts from the game. The same weaknesses that we knew about before the WC were major factors again - Nyland is an unreliable Keeper and we waste too many good chances.
Yes as he didn't even turn up yesterday. Apparently still celebrating Xmas in Leipzig.
Oops, I’m blaming too many mince pies for my brain fog.
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People do realise we can lose to Liverpool and still finish top half?
Spurs and Liverpool both lost to them in similar circumstances and both for now are in the top 4.
If we're making bad errors and Emery is waiting until 85th minute to make a sub v Wolves in a game we're losing then I'll start getting worried that nothing much is going to change.
Liverpool playing themselves now? Same old Scousers, always cheating.
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What really annoyed me yesterday though was how many of our players fall to the ground as soon as an opponent breathes near them - We are so lightweight it’s pathetic. Luiz and Digne were guilty of it several times, Buendia and McGinn as well.
How do they ever manage to bring a round back from the bar in a crowded pub?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Agree with most of the comments but it was still a massive3 improvement on any Gerrard performance.
Three things confused me though;
1. Have we removed all timepieces and clocks from anywhere near the dugout? Its the only reason i have left for not playing subs. They put 4 on and 1 of them scored.
2. How does Luiz stay on? No change that,how does he start?! He's a player who hides regardless of who has the ball. I watched him for 10 mins and he did nothing. Get Rid
3. Fine to try different formations but we dont have the squad for a 4-4-2 with a high line. 4-2-3-1 suits our squad better i feel.
Ah well, spuds next. So win villa, just win. dont care how just fuck 'em up.
The most wanky supporters in the league (and thats a high bar!)
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I don’t think there is a club in world football that I despise more than Liverpool. It has nothing to do with the fact that they have some of the best players in the world & are successful. Albeit, their success breeds everything I despise about them. It’s the whole superiority complex around the club, their fans & their media. The constant media fawning about everything they do sickens me to my core. Their fans whole, “we deserve success & if we don’t get it, it’s dolly chucking time” attitude. The fact that nothing is ever their fault. The fact that the majority of their fans couldn’t point out Liverpool on a map yet support them solely so they can laud it over other clubs fans that’s ”their club is the best & everything about your club is shit”. The fact that having the best players in the world isn’t enough that the officials are always on their side too. And yet still, this isn’t enough & they whine that everything is unfair & against them, so much so that it puts extra pressure on officials who are already in their pocket. The fact that we cannot beat them & I have to put up with about 712 texts from my mates in Devon who have never been further north than Exeter that “their” club is so much better than my club… Most people despise Man Utd. For obvious reasons. But Liverpool were the original Man Utd & continue to be to this day. And I despise everything about them…
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Same here, Pablo.
The ultimate turd of a club.
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Wrong thread, I know.
Norwich have just sacked Deano.
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Agree with most of the comments but it was still a massive3 improvement on any Gerrard performance.
Three things confused me though;
1. Have we removed all timepieces and clocks from anywhere near the dugout? Its the only reason i have left for not playing subs. They put 4 on and 1 of them scored.
2. How does Luiz stay on? No change that,how does he start?! He's a player who hides regardless of who has the ball. I watched him for 10 mins and he did nothing. Get Rid
3. Fine to try different formations but we dont have the squad for a 4-4-2 with a high line. 4-2-3-1 suits our squad better i feel.
Ah well, spuds next. So win villa, just win. dont care how just fuck 'em up.
The most wanky supporters in the league (and thats a high bar!)
Disagree, disagree, agree. But then that’s the joy of football and everyone having different opinions 😃.
We were playing well so not sure if the team needed changing tbh. Luiz is easily our second best midfielder, if not our best.
We do have players more suited to 4231.
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Wrong thread, I know.
Norwich have just sacked Deano.
Maybe the wrong thread, but no surprise
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I actually thought we played well for big spells of the game but needed to put our chances away when we got them. As much as I like Ollie he needs far too many chances to score.
I hope in a months time with some new additions in the right areas we will be moving in the right direction.
I’ve only just warmed up though, bloody freezing, yet there were blokes with bloody shorts on in the crowd.
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But Liverpool were the original Man Utd & continue to be to this day. And I despise everything about them…
The Plastics have been at it since the Munich air crash, it was a defining day when the country rightly took pity on them, Busby then successfully rebuilt and the gloryhunters followed. Liverpool were built from Division II where the genius of Shankly took them to the top and they've pretty much been there or there about ever since.
Said it before but I'll talk all day about football with Scousers, they're probably the most obsessed football fans you're likely to find. I've lost count of the times I've been amazed that they know so much about us, our players, our honours and history, where we bought our players from, they live football and obviously pride themselves on the knowledge.
As for Manc or any other type of Man U fan, as soon as I here them say they support 'United' I just walk away. Tossers to a man.
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But Liverpool were the original Man Utd & continue to be to this day. And I despise everything about them…
The Plastics have been at it since the Munich air crash, it was a defining day when the country rightly took pity on them, Busby then successfully rebuilt and the gloryhunters followed. Liverpool were built from Division II where the genius of Shankly took them to the top and they've pretty much been there or there about ever since.
Said it before but I'll talk all day about football with Scousers, they're probably the most obsessed football fans you're likely to find. I've lost count of the times I've been amazed that they know so much about us, our players, our honours and history, where we bought our players from, they live football and obviously pride themselves on the knowledge.
As for Manc or any other type of Man U fan, as soon as I here them say they support 'United' I just walk away. Tossers to a man.
There’s not a fag paper between them, 2 cheeks of the same arse
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But Liverpool were the original Man Utd & continue to be to this day. And I despise everything about them…
The Plastics have been at it since the Munich air crash, it was a defining day when the country rightly took pity on them, Busby then successfully rebuilt and the gloryhunters followed. Liverpool were built from Division II where the genius of Shankly took them to the top and they've pretty much been there or there about ever since.
Said it before but I'll talk all day about football with Scousers, they're probably the most obsessed football fans you're likely to find. I've lost count of the times I've been amazed that they know so much about us, our players, our honours and history, where we bought our players from, they live football and obviously pride themselves on the knowledge.
As for Manc or any other type of Man U fan, as soon as I here them say they support 'United' I just walk away. Tossers to a man.
There’s not a fag paper between them, 2 cheeks of the same arse
Nah! I'm talking real fans not the plastics. I'll give you the media though and all the Liverpool mafia we get on TV.
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I was impressed with our attacking play, pretty slick for the most part bar the finishing. If you’ve only seen MOTD, Watkins had a couple of great chances before they showed his first miss.
Defensively poor from both teams I thought, with both sides looking like scoring almost every time they attacked,
Buendia tailed off but there’s a great highlights reel from the game on twitter. Kamara is so assured on the ball.
Encouraging performance. 2 or 3 upgrades needed rather than 4 or 5 IMO, though the more the merrier.
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But Liverpool were the original Man Utd & continue to be to this day. And I despise everything about them…
The Plastics have been at it since the Munich air crash, it was a defining day when the country rightly took pity on them, Busby then successfully rebuilt and the gloryhunters followed. Liverpool were built from Division II where the genius of Shankly took them to the top and they've pretty much been there or there about ever since.
Said it before but I'll talk all day about football with Scousers, they're probably the most obsessed football fans you're likely to find. I've lost count of the times I've been amazed that they know so much about us, our players, our honours and history, where we bought our players from, they live football and obviously pride themselves on the knowledge.
As for Manc or any other type of Man U fan, as soon as I here them say they support 'United' I just walk away. Tossers to a man.
Scousers might pride themselves on their knowledge, but that has not been my experience. Their plastic fans are even worse. I have to educate them on their own club. And still they argue & always end with, “what would you know, you support Villa.” Arrogant ignorant tossers.
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Liverpool fans and Man United fans are all fucking wankers in my experience.
I genuinely wouldn't piss on 99% of them if they were on fire. Arrogant wankers.
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The Redscouse fans from up that way are - in some cases - decent enough in my experience. Unlike their Manc counterparts.
But plastics anywhere are by definition frauds. If I have the misfortune to find myself in a conversation with one of the Cockney/ Devon/ Brummie Reds I try and switch the talk to cricket or tax returns. Shimmying down the nearest fire escape is always an option too.
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That chance in the first minute was keystone cops stuff from 4 of our back 5. Young caught in no man's land, Konsa at nothing at front post, Mings as usual refusing to attempt to clear the cross with his right foot, instead crashing into Olsen. At least Digne kept his head and cleared at back post. They scored from the subsequent set piece.
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I thought the score about reflected the game, we had our chances but they looked like they were playing within themselves for the majority of the game apart from that 20 min spell when we were on top before the third. We didn’t look like a unit at the back, that needs some work.
Thought Luiz was one of the better players for me, and Young for that matter.
At least it’s over, one of my least favourite games as I think it even surpasses the ManUtd game for the number of dribbling imbeciles wearing half and half scarves, blocking the paths staring at their tickets and jizzing as they take photos of the Liverpool team bus. ****** to a man, and woman.
Ho, ho, ho.
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The reason Liverpool did not win more comfortably is because their midfield (all very good players ) was one paced. Put Kamara in there and it would have been a different game.
They also have top level players Alison, TAA, Robertson ,Salah VVD we don’t have one player except maybe Kamara as good as those guys.
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The reason Liverpool did not win more comfortably is because their midfield (all very good players ) was one paced. Put Kamara in there and it would have been a different game.
They also have top level players Alison, TAA, Robertson ,Salah VVD we don’t have one player except maybe Kamara as good as those guys.
Martinez is another.
But i get your general point. They were league winners and champions league winners in very recent history, we have some progress to maje to be too 6 challengers first.
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The reason Liverpool did not win more comfortably is because their midfield (all very good players ) was one paced. Put Kamara in there and it would have been a different game.
They also have top level players Alison, TAA, Robertson ,Salah VVD we don’t have one player except maybe Kamara as good as those guys.
Martinez is another.
But i get your general point. They were league winners and champions league winners in very recent history, we have some progress to maje to be too 6 challengers first.
Yes, we have a view that a couple more players and we will be challenging, you look at those Lpool players and they are 6th, then you realise how far we have got to go.
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And yet they've been pretty average this season especially away from home. Forest beat them, Fulham held them, we just let them help themselves.
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As plucky and good as we were three managers cannot be wrong. We’ve been singing this tune for too long now.
Olsen obviously we need an upgrade.
Mings is a one in four good game player.
Konsa is a one in ten good game player
Watkins will never be the prolific forward we need. Turn him into a JoeLinton in midfield it might work!
Ings can still do it but is on borrowed time.
There’s five players we need upgrades on for a start and I’ve been kind to McGinn and Luiz.
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As plucky and good as we were three managers cannot be wrong. We’ve been singing this tune for too long now.
Olsen obviously we need an upgrade.
Mings is a one in four good game player.
Konsa is a one in ten good game player
Watkins will never be the prolific forward we need. Turn him into a JoeLinton in midfield it might work!
Ings can still do it but is on borrowed time.
There’s five players we need upgrades on for a start and I’ve been kind to McGinn and Luiz.
Watkins can’t control the ball mate he has a bad first touch and not much technical ability
he’d he like a cat playing with a balloon in midfield
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However we all laughed at Jolinton a couple of years ago as the only Brazilian who can't recognise a football.
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However we all laughed at Jolinton a couple of years ago as the only Brazilian who can't recognise a football.
Yeah but Ollie’s from Newton Abbot
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Did anyone else spot the footage of the Liverpool team's arrival at the ground?
It just struck me as odd that Purslow was noticeable in the welcoming party. Is this normal from a pretty high-powered CEO, or is it possible proof of CP's continuing regard for all things Anfield?