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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Ger Regan on September 03, 2022, 07:22:49 PM
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Much, MUCH better. Thought Watkins led the line brilliantly, apart from that one stupid ball towards the end.
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Worked hard, looked threatening, defended well, that's more like it. Looked better with McGinn off.
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Will take that. Credit where it is due we seemed to be better. Doesn’t change that shit start but out of bottom 3
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Leon Bailey is THE MAN.
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Probably stopped Gerrard getting the axe. If we played like that all season we’d be top 6 right now.
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Take a bow Ashley Young. He made us so,so,so much better.My motm
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Worked hard, looked threatening, defended well, that's more like it. Looked better with McGinn off.
Everyone with two working eyes has been saying that all season long
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Yeah, bloody great finish. A really good goal all round.
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Setup was much better, we had an actual midfield which meant the gap between attack and midfield was much smaller. Easily the best performance of the season which begs the question why the fuck Gerrard couldn't see the problem 2-3 weeks ago.
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Very good performance.
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Brilliant effort. Watkins was excellent, apart from that ball. To a man they were great and it was a deserved goal.
Coutinho was much better when he came on, had real fire about him.
Emi - a couple of those saves.
Well done to Gerrard as well, got it right and managed the game well. More of that.
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Worked hard, looked threatening, defended well, that's more like it. Looked better with McGinn off.
Agree with all that.
He's bought himself the next two games with that performance. Only gripe is where's that level of effort, organisation and discipline been in the other league games?
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Love it
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Take a bow Ashley Young. He made us so,so,so much better.My motm
He was brilliant.
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Bailey has me befuddled. But he should be played as a striker with Watkins.
Coutinho hit a stunning winner.
Deserved a point.
Way better when McGinn went off, and Luiz should be commended for his performance after the Arsenal stuff, fully committed.
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Great result
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I've spent the week slagging off the manager, so fair play to him, that didn't look like a team that didn't want to play for him.
That's a massive result, might only be a point but in terms of confidence it's invaluable.
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Oh and what the fuck was the ref doing for Phil’s disallowed goal?
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Brilliant point, now please please please have this as a significant building block.
Young made me feel like I was in 2008 again, read it effortlessly at RB so that's experience for you.
Coutinho "offside" goal was a total disgrace. I don't generally cry corruption in the game after bad decisions but when you think of that Rodri goal that was given against us in this fixture 18 months back it does make you wonder sometimes...
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PaulWinch again, you're starting Match threads from now on. Great work, fella.
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Take a bow Ashley Young. He made us so,so,so much better.My motm
He was brilliant.
Was our best player in the cup too. He should be starting at right back next game. We are better with him on because he's a leader.
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A fine performance. Much better organised, Watkins' running off the ball was great, and we frustrated them.
Kamara and Doug playing together gives us a more solid platform and makes it much harder for teams to play through us.
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Loved that. And LOVED Emi signalling for a sub 😂
That's probably bought him at least the next 2 games.
Gerrard should swallow some pride and give the captaincy back to Mings.
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Ashley Young and Ollie Watkins we’re superb, special mention to Douglas too.
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Much much better than expected. Credit where credit is due…and that includes Gerrard. Will have to lay off the calls for him to go now, and he’ll definitely get the next 2 games.
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Oh and no way was Coutinho offside for his "goal "
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Brilliant point, now please please please have this as a significant building block.
Young made me feel like I was in 2008 again, read it effortlessly at RB so that's experience for you.
Coutinho "offside" goal was a total disgrace. I don't generally cry corruption in the game after bad decisions but when you think of that Rodri goal that was given against us in this fixture 18 months back it does make you wonder sometimes...
They know not to blow the whistle, we had this at Palace three years ago.
It's because they're fucking bent.
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Better after McGinn went off.
Think Gerrard still has the dressing room.
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Beat Leicester and Southampton and the world looks a lot better. If this isn’t a launching point Gerrard will be gone. But today he needs to be commended. Well done SG. Much more like it.
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For one night at least I feel like I have my Villa back. Superb performance!
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Need to build on this. Pressure still there but down to SG to prove all of us wrong.
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Watkins was absolutely outstanding second half and fair fucking play to him after being so out of form. Ashley was also immense when he came on, back 4 look much more composed with him in it. Ramsey got better as it went on and thought Douglas was very good as well.
Wow, word pie for tea tonight then
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Oh and no way was Coutinho offside for his "goal "
Not at all. Fucking robbed. And he looked much like his old self
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Take a bow Ashley Young. He made us so,so,so much better.My motm
He was brilliant.
Rolling back the years , thought Kamara was excellent too
Was our best player in the cup too. He should be starting at right back next game. We are better with him on because he's a leader.
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Normally I don’t give a damn but I couldn’t wait to get on here tonight!!! Everyone who predicted a cricket score tonight on the pre match thread take a look. A vastly improved performance against arguably the best team in Europe. Yes there are problems still but I for one am proud of the team tonight
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Well done Villa, and as one of his harshest critics on here, well done Gerrard. He really dropped a bollock with the captaincy, needs to correct that so he can drop McGinn. Got everything else right today.
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We looked so much better not pushing the full backs up and without McGinn on the pitch.
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Weird game. Lucky not to be further behind until Bailey equalised, then played really well and robbed of a winner by the officials.
Hopefully the penny's dropped with Gerrard over McGinn. Anonymous again, improved after he went off.
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Now build on this, wins in the next 2. Shows we have the talent, if we go toe to toe with that lot.
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Probably stopped Gerrard getting the axe. If we played like that all season we’d be top 6 right now.
I'm hoping today he finally woke up to what he has in his hands. Aston Villa will always be bigger than Steven Gerrard. Brilliant support from fans that rightly so have high expectations.
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A great point in the end. Well done the players! UTV!
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Now that was much better, and gives me hope for the season. I missed the goal because I lost the signal on my phone.
From what I saw, Watkins, Ramsey and Bailey looked really good. The defence also looked solid, even though Cro Magnon Man scored.
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Need to build on this. Pressure still there but down to SG to prove all of us wrong.
4 points off Leicester/Southampton simply has to be the expectation now. We got 4 points from the respective fixtures last season and we'd move back into mid table pack with that points haul.
Hopefully we just don't revert back to clueless tripe next week as Leicester are very beatable.
McGinn is certainly as close as he's ever been to getting dropped under Gerrard so that would be a step forward as Luiz-Kamara closed out the game very well. He must see that.
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Oh and what the fuck was the ref doing for Phil’s disallowed goal?
More to the point what was VAR doing? It was completely brushed over. How the hell did they decide not to review that? City players just stopped which obviously swayed the officials but that should not stop VAR getting involved. Bizarre really.
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Love it when the corpse rises from the coffin and tells the undertaker to fuck off.
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Great result and much better performance. Thought Young was excellent when he came on. The linesman that gave the offside for our second goal was shocking all game.
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Clive, Kamara and Dougie have to play together, maybe even with Ramsey in there after his performance today.
That’s so much more energy levels than we have seen for a long time.
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Fortunate point let's be honest but we created a few decent chances even before we scored. Ramsey was much better today. Hopefully this can give Bailey a real kick forward.
Martinez 6 - sharper off line that usual but footwork very slow defending that cross from KdB
Cash 5 - started poor, Young 8 - our best player!
Konsa 6 - last ditch defending was good but took a chance not tracking Haaland, no confidence with ball
Mings 7 - so poor with ball but battled really well on Haaland
Digne 7 - his best game for us in a long time
Kamara 5 - disappointing yet again. Very little cover to CBs and seemed petrified to turn on ball
Luiz 7 - slow start but easily our best midfielder, after a tough week too
McGinn 4 - unable to track runners from midfield, miles off it unfortunately
Bailey 6 - goal gives him at least two extra points. Lovely finish
Watkins 8 - lead the line brilliantly
Ramsey 7 - like seeing him closer to Watkins, awful touch for a big chance but made up for it with a fine assist
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Brilliant, battling performance. Watkins was absolutely fantastic. That’s the Ollie we know he can be. Bailey showed the class he can deliver with that awesome finish. Defending was great. Luiz great. And coming back from a goal down to get something is important. Unfortunately, we were much much better once McGinn went off. He needs a spell out.
A word for the officiating which was poor throughout unless you’re of a man Citeh persuasion. Rodri not booked early for a usual Citeh rotational foul. And the inconsistencies just continued until that Crystal palace esq call on the Coutinho goal (and he wasn’t even f*cking offside). Yet, the same rules for offside and VAR Awere correctly implement the other end. Hmm.
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Today is like a good drive. If you follow it up with 5 bad shots you waste the drive. That’s all today is
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They've won 31 of 33 games they go ahead in according to the presenter on Sky.
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Agree Comments on McGinn...I hope the penny has dropped with SG.
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Fair play. Let's hope McGinn gets subbed more often.
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Please let this be a turning point.
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Oh and what the fuck was the ref doing for Phil’s disallowed goal?
More to the point what was VAR doing? It was completely brushed over. How the hell did they decide not to review that? City players just stopped which obviously swayed the officials but that should not stop VAR getting involved. Bizarre really.
VAR couldn't review it because the ref blew his whistle. The officials went completely against what they havebeen doing in those circumstances for the past 2 seasons.
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Sourness is hating this. You'd think he'd be happy City have dropped points?
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Fucking robbed. In every other game I've seen, the lineman would not have flagged - It WAS onside; you could see it was in realtime. Linesmen are told not to raise the flag if it's marginal. It was .... robbed.
And Sky is not even discussing it!
So angry.
SG did well today. Picked the right team and set them up well.
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The kid we brought on for Cash. Fantastic and MotM.
Linesman shit.
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PaulWinch again, you're starting Match threads from now on. Great work, fella.
It doesn't affect the result. Nobody cares who starts threads.
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Why the fuck are sky not reviewing Phil’s goal!!!!
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I watched a few replays. No way was it offside. Wankers!
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Worked hard, looked threatening, defended well, that's more like it. Looked better with McGinn off.
Agree with all that.
He's bought himself the next two games with that performance. Only gripe is where's that level of effort, organisation and discipline been in the other league games?
Can we mix it away to Leicester, or are we big time Charlies. Mind we showed no sign of that away to Arsenal, so...
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Today is like a good drive. If you follow it up with 5 bad shots you waste the drive. That’s all today is
Sums it up for me. Much much better but we will know if this matters when they turn out next week against Leicester. For this to mean anything, they now need to go out and get those three points.
Luiz was excellent. We look better without McGinn. Young brings passion and commitment we need right now. Bailey showed what he can do if given chances.
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That second half was magnificent, haven’t heard an atmosphere like that at Villa Park for a long old time. Fantastic performance and result.
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Why the fuck are sky not reviewing Phil’s goal!!!!
It's against Sky City, of course....
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Sourness is hating this. You'd think he'd be happy City have dropped points?
Probably because Bailey scored. "That coloured boy should know his place."
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That second half was magnificent, haven’t heard an atmosphere like that at Villa Park for a long old time. Fantastic performance and result.
Yes. I was watching on Canal+ Foot and the crowd even drowned out the constant fapping sounds being made by the French commentators.*
*Over Citeh, not us.
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Well done Villa, showed some bollocks today when they could easily have given up at one-nil. Probably Young's best game for us since 2011.
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I watched a few replays. No way was it offside. Wankers!
The bigger problem isn't that he got the decision wrong it's that the lino and ref got it wrong in a way that took VAR out as well. If he raises the flag after the ball is in the net it's still a mistake but can be fixed by the system designed to allow for that. It's really hard to watch it, alongside all the other similar situations in the game where the flag went up at the right time, and not think there's something corrupt about the system.
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That second half was magnificent, haven’t heard an atmosphere like that at Villa Park for a long old time. Fantastic performance and result.
Yes. I was watching on Canal+ Foot and the crowd even drowned out the constant fapping sounds being made by the French commentators.*
*Over Citeh, not us.
Almost as good as the Everton game.
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Tell me what's wrong with the game when that onside goal gets chalked off and a 100M player bought to disrupt a potential competitor doesn't even start a match for his club but will play in this year's world cup?
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Thought we were great - the setup was much better we seemed to have a plan and a formation that worked - fullbacks in better positions and midfield functioned
Thought Watkins, Luiz and Young were great.
Ramsey looks much better when he’s getting the ball in the final 3rd.
You could see the confidence growing as the game went by - take that into the next two and the fat lady might be able to take a seat again
We’ll done to all. I think that McGinn is 100% the weakest of our midfielders at present
Also special word to the farce that is Var - no goal despite not being offside. But we have seen 100s of times where they play on forever only to see the flag raised
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I watched a few replays. No way was it offside. Wankers!
But remember we're only in this league because the goal line technology didn't work, so stop your bitching.....
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Thought we were great - the setup was much better we seemed to have a plan and a formation that worked - fullbacks in better positions and midfield functioned
Thought Watkins, Luiz and Young were great.
Ramsey looks much better when he’s getting the ball in the final 3rd.
You could see the confidence growing as the game went by - take that into the next two and the fat lady might be able to take a seat again
We’ll done to all. I think that McGinn is 100% the weakest of our midfielders at present
Also special word to the farce that is Var - no goal despite not being offside. But we have seen 100s of times where they play on forever only to see the flag raised
It wasn't VAR, the game had been stopped before the shot so VAR can't do anything, that's why the flag is supposed to be delayed.
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Young was absolutely incredible.
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That linesman is a disgusting bastard.
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If the lino had done his job properly than VAR would've given the goal. Unfortunately he was a nobhead and fucked it up, so nothing VAR can do.
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It's a fucking swizz.
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Absolutely brilliant. I said in the pre match thread I fancied us to do ok and so it proved. Everyone did well today but for me Ashley Young and Ollie Watkins really stood out.
We must build on this now because we’ve proved we are better than we’ve shown so far.
Atmosphere in the ground was superb also.
A happy Saturday night for a change.
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Weird game. Lucky not to be further behind until Bailey equalised, then played really well and robbed of a winner by the officials.
Hopefully the penny's dropped with Gerrard over McGinn. Anonymous again, improved after he went off.
Yes, but we were bloody good when he was there too. He didn’t have a bad game, but we looked better with Phil.
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Gerrard showing both the good and bad in his comments on the BBC:
Good:
What happened with the Coutinho goal? "I saw a legitimate goal but obviously I am biased. The referee did the same at the other end with [Ezri] Konsa on the keeper, he was desperate on the whistle which went against us twice in the game."
Abso-fucking-lutely - you're one of the biggest names in English football, take advantage of that and call out this sort of bullshit, should've been doing this a lot more.
Bad:
We've been close to that performance but the moments have gone against us, they have been kinder to us today but that's got to be the start of us today.
No we haven't, today we had a shape in midfield and attack, everyone knew their job and, other than the captain, they all did them as expected. Don't put it down to getting a bit of luck, learn from it.
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The extra man in midfield is what we finally got. Hopefully Gerrard will see his preferred formation just won't work.
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Thought we were great - the setup was much better we seemed to have a plan and a formation that worked - fullbacks in better positions and midfield functioned
Thought Watkins, Luiz and Young were great.
Ramsey looks much better when he’s getting the ball in the final 3rd.
You could see the confidence growing as the game went by - take that into the next two and the fat lady might be able to take a seat again
We’ll done to all. I think that McGinn is 100% the weakest of our midfielders at present
Also special word to the farce that is Var - no goal despite not being offside. But we have seen 100s of times where they play on forever only to see the flag raised
It wasn't VAR, the game had been stopped before the shot so VAR can't do anything, that's why the flag is supposed to be delayed.
No that’s what I mean - Var couldn’t help because the ref didn’t follow the rules that would have allowed Var to do its job. The whole thing is a mess due to the inconsistent applicantion of it
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Bailey dropping a "working our bollocks off" on sky, lovely stuff!
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I am delighted, I moan and groan, but today gave me a great day. Yes it’s only a point, and Norwich beat City the year they went down, so it might not mean anything, but hell I enjoyed it. UTV
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One minor gripe, but not sure if it's fair or not, my initial feeling was that martinez didn't do great for their goal.
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One minor gripe, but not sure if it's fair or not, my initial feeling was that martinez didn't do great for their goal.
It was an unbelievable cross that probably only he can do so I'd say that's a bit harsh
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One minor gripe, but not sure if it's fair or not, my initial feeling was that martinez didn't do great for their goal.
Hey my friend have a beer! 👍
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Ashley Young was great, I thought.
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Good performance by the team, though McGinn and Ramsey (assist aside) were too anonymous. Gerrard deserves some credit and I hope he sees that he needs to drop McGinn. Refs abysmal. Everyone rightly calling out the offside decision, but how about the huge short tug and Bailey getting choked both be non-calls? Disgraceful.
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Watching the replay of the Coutinho goal, it took a big deflection of Stones who'd totally stopped. If the game was still going on he'd have probably stuck his head in the way. Lino's still a ****** though.
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PaulWinch again, you're starting Match threads from now on. Great work, fella.
It doesn't affect the result. Nobody cares who starts threads.
I bet you walk under ladders.
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I’ve not been too complimentary about us this last week but, this is what I want to see from our team, some passion and commitment which we showed in abundance today. Same attitude in the next 2 matches and we could be mid table. PS..give Mings the captaincy back.
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Young was absolutely incredible.
Motm, strong in the tackle, quick, positioning was excellent and he's a real leader on the pitch. I think cash has been poor this season and so young more than deserves to start whether cashy is back fit or not
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I agree, Mings should be captain.
Drops a bollocks here and there but he's our most natural leader.
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Pleased with a point but with my misery arse hat on, I really don’t to see us celebrating a draw like we’ve won a bloody cup final.
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even though Cro Magnon Man scored.
*chuckle*
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Weird game. Lucky not to be further behind until Bailey equalised, then played really well and robbed of a winner by the officials.
Hopefully the penny's dropped with Gerrard over McGinn. Anonymous again, improved after he went off.
Yes, but we were bloody good when he was there too. He didn’t have a bad game, but we looked better with Phil.
He was terrible.
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One minor gripe, but not sure if it's fair or not, my initial feeling was that martinez didn't do great for their goal.
Hey my friend have a beer! 👍
I thought his starting position was a step or two too far towards the near post. It's far easier to move forwards towards a near post ball than it is to react backwards to a back post ball.
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Everyone rightly calling out the offside decision, but how about the huge short tug and Bailey getting choked both be non-calls? Disgraceful.
Right in front of the linesman too.
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PaulWinch again, you're starting Match threads from now on. Great work, fella.
It doesn't affect the result. Nobody cares who starts threads.
I bet you walk under ladders.
Only if there is no danger of something falling on me.
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Ashley Young was great, I thought.
He was
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Superb team performance, against a world class team, special mention to Ollie,Tyrone, Doug, Kamara,Ramsey but MOTM has to be Ashley, never thought he had that performance in him. Leon's goal was class, if he has a good run in the team now, I'm confident we will see the best of him.
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Much better shape and tactics sacrificing Coutinho/Buendia.
Ashley was outstanding, he is very good against tricky, rather than fast wingers and has composure in spades.
I thought McGinn (for not tracking De Bruyne) and Konsa (for not tracking Haaland) were at fault for their goal. Our goal was a work of art, beautiful.
The officials were biased against us for the entire game - how Rodri didn't get a yellow for the shirt pull and the assistant for the 'offside' when the ball was passed backwards - criminal.
Hopefully we kick on from here.
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PaulWinch again, you're starting Match threads from now on. Great work, fella.
It doesn't affect the result. Nobody cares who starts threads.
I bet you walk under ladders.
I walk under ladders just to show it's superstitious nonsense but I still want 'PaulWinch again' to start the next match thread.
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Pleased with a point but with my misery arse hat on, I really don’t to see us celebrating a draw like we’ve won a bloody cup final.
Bet you're fun at a party
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If the lino had done his job properly than VAR would've given the goal. Unfortunately he was a nobhead and fucked it up, so nothing VAR can do.
I think it’s less the Lino and more the ref. The Lino got the call wrong, but it’s the ref blowing his whistle rather than letting the phase play out that fucked us.
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Whoever starts it might want to stick the teams up. Footy Villa can start it if he/she/it/they promise not to play 'snooker the threads' of a Thursday (or any day).
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Seems like the first time in a very long time that a Villa performance and result has really pleased me. Hoping for more of the same in the next few weeks as I open a Sat. night bottle of red.
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PaulWinch again, you're starting Match threads from now on. Great work, fella.
It doesn't affect the result. Nobody cares who starts threads.
I bet you walk under ladders.
I walk under ladders just to show it's superstitious nonsense but I still want 'PaulWinch again' to start the next match thread.
Ha ha!
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The extra man in midfield is what we finally got. Hopefully Gerrard will see his preferred formation just won't work.
It was pretty much the same formation I thought, maybe those at the ground could say better. Ramsey left of Watkins and Bailey to the right. Both narrow rather than wingers though Ramsey did drop back into midfield quite a bit. When McGinn went off, it didn't seem as if we switched to a 2. Ramsey dropped back to where McGinn was but maybe with a bit more licence to break forward.
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What I would appreciate is if someone could explain our performance in terms of xG (Xg?) and double pivots.*
*I'm not being serious. Don't bother!
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I hope Legion doesn't mind me doing the honours.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12689344/aston-villa-1-1-manchester-city-premier-league-highlights
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Souness still bitching about Mings, the tosspot.
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Souness still bitching about Mings, the tosspot.
Must because sourpuss is basically the human incarnation of genital herpes. Fucking twat
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If the lino had done his job properly than VAR would've given the goal. Unfortunately he was a nobhead and fucked it up, so nothing VAR can do.
I think it’s less the Lino and more the ref. The Lino got the call wrong, but it’s the ref blowing his whistle rather than letting the phase play out that fucked us.
Ref has to blow his whistle when he sees the flag go up, no real choice so it's all on the lino and a terrible call.
As I said earlier show a non football fan a replay of this goal and the one we conceded up there when the player was walking back from offside position and actually touched the ball and they'd just conclude football is a very dodgy sport sometimes in terms of decision making.....
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Pleased with a point but with my misery arse hat on, I really don’t to see us celebrating a draw like we’ve won a bloody cup final.
Bet you're fun at a party
andyh, if you can't celebrate a point against one of the top (albeit boring bastards) sides in the world in the context of our recent shite results then maybe you should consider a job as a parkie in Viz Comic.
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1 things for certain, that dressing room isn’t lost. The commitment was fantastic, the discipline was there and Ashley Young rolled back the years. A monumental effort from everyone.
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Souness still bitching about Mings, the tosspot.
He needs cancelling
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even though Cro Magnon Man scored.
*chuckle*
California man
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Souness still bitching about Mings, the tosspot.
Yeah saw that. Wanker.
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I hope Legion doesn't mind me doing the honours.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12689344/aston-villa-1-1-manchester-city-premier-league-highlights
Nobody cares.
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I hope Legion doesn't mind me doing the honours.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12689344/aston-villa-1-1-manchester-city-premier-league-highlights
Nobody cares.
Allan might
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1 things for certain, that dressing room isn’t lost. The commitment was fantastic, the discipline was there and Ashley Young rolled back the years. A monumental effort from everyone.
My first thought. The players are still with the management
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Seems like the first time in a very long time that a Villa performance and result has really pleased me. Hoping for more of the same in the next few weeks as I open a Sat. night bottle of red.
Claret, surely?
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Oh and what the fuck was the ref doing for Phil’s disallowed goal?
because linesman raised his flag VAR couldn't intervine ?
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We were robbed then.
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Seem to remember linesmen are told not to flag when teams are attacking and let VAR sort it after the shot. Don't think the keeper was getting that even if he hadn't "stopped".
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Probably stopped Gerrard getting the axe. If we played like that all season we’d be top 6 right now.
We're a counter attacking side it seems, we just don't know it yet.
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It was a terrible decision, but hard to say for certain whether coutinho would have scored had the whistle not gone. A number of players stopped and i'm pretty sure Ederson didn't fully commit to the save either. Still, let the play fucking develop, it wasn't even a 2nd phase of play.
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Played with passion and pride.
Ashley Young was superb.
Hopefully this now kick starts us onwards and upwards.
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Seem to remember linesmen are told not to flag when teams are attacking and let VAR sort it after the shot. Don't think the keeper was getting that even if he hadn't "stopped".
if it was other way round flag would have stayed down
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Souness still bitching about Mings, the tosspot.
Yeah saw that. Wanker.
Sometimes some people deserve bigger insults.
Like Souness The Cunthead
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Surprisingly good performance but can't help feeling we've just been absolutely robbed? I don't care if we deserved it on balance of play, to have that winner chalked off leaves a bitter taste. Surely no excuse for the ref, when we had the ball, to not let play continue then check it after?
It's particularly annoying when you see such marginal decisions as the Everton one today changing games through VAR, then ours just gets ignored.
That aside Luiz obviously needs to play a bit further forward than he has for most of his time here and SJM needs a break. Still don't rate Gerrard, never wanted him and would like him gone. But probably won't happen now, at least for a while - and we'll be in real trouble by that point if it does. Clearly we have the players to be in a mid table position at least with a manager who knows what to do with them.
P.s., haven't been on here for a while, how do I change my username?? 😳
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Fair enough.
In any case that was a great performance, clearly we’ll need to be more on the front foot in other games but this is a great, and promising, step.
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Just back. Well done Villa boys. Wonderful Villa Park😊 More mater
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Well I’m exhausted I’m getting to old for all this
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Souness still bitching about Mings, the tosspot.
Yeah saw that. Wanker.
He's a sad and bitter individual. The fact he gave an interview to the scum after Hillsborough when he was manager of Liverpool tells you everything you need to know about the man. A total and unrelenting ******.
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Seem to remember linesmen are told not to flag when teams are attacking and let VAR sort it after the shot. Don't think the keeper was getting that even if he hadn't "stopped".
if it was other way round flag would have stayed down
It would have been interesting if the Walker move had been scored from as Sky commentators in the replay stated "he would have been just onside as well" when he looks half a yard forward. Same linesmen kept the flag down there I noticed.
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Take a bow Ashley Young. He made us so,so,so much better.My motm
He was most impressive and showed great leadership skills. Watkins best game at holding ball up too
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Fantastic effort from the boys today. It would have been easy for heads to go down after going behind but they didn't and we scored a fantastic equaliser.
Good to see Gerrard showing some tactical nous by solidifying the midfield by leaving Buendia and Coutinho out of the team.
However for all the boost this will give us it is only a good result if we continue the good vibes against Leicester.
Next Saturday is absolutely massive.
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Ashley Young was exceptional today. I was so pleased we didn't roll over and actually came back and showed some real determination. Mings held up pretty well, Ollie did really well in the second half as well and Kamara and Luiz did much better after the break.
I know Bailey scored, but he was one who disappointed me again with his overall work rate.
Also, could Emi have done better with their goal? I was in line with it and I felt there was not that much danger when the cross came over. However, I could be wrong and haven't seen it back yet.
He's good to have in the team, but his time-wasting antics reached a new level with the feigned injury!
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It was a good but totally unpredictable performance and result as well. However we did ride our luck a lot and Citeh might have thought they only had to turn up. However this is a bonus result. I've seen us get these close results and battling performances against the top teams before (and admittedly we have also been destroyed on occasion), and then throw it away with following poor performances against "lower" teams. The Leicester match is an early 6 pointer at the moment. And we do seem to throw away matches at Southampton. Those are the ones that the manager and the team really needs to show we are turning a corner for.
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Oh and no way was Coutinho offside for his "goal "
Not at all. Fucking robbed. And he looked much like his old self
I still think Phil looks so subdued and body language seems disinterested when we’re out of possession , it really disappoints me as we need his flair in the team but from now on SG knows we need energy, legs and defending from all 11, and he hasn’t got those qualities
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Our performance changed when Ashley Young came on because he added a bit of nous and a bit more physicality. As he and Digne (after he got booked) had to sit back allowed Ramsey more freedom to get forward. I was impressed with Luiz's attitude after the mini saga on Thursday.
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It's why we go to the match, absolutely magic. The application and endeavour in the second half was brilliant.
I'll leave it there.
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I hope Legion doesn't mind me doing the honours.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12689344/aston-villa-1-1-manchester-city-premier-league-highlights
Cheers. Only just got back.
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Quote from the Mailonline report:
To be honest I'd rather not see links from that pitiful rag on here, no matter how much they praise the Villa.
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Quote from the Mailonline report:
To be honest I'd rather not see links from that pitiful rag on here, no matter how much they praise the Villa.
Did you get out of bed the wrong side this morning?
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A34 closed on way home. Couldn't give a s**t....
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Quote from the Mailonline report:
To be honest I'd rather not see links from that pitiful rag on here, no matter how much they praise the Villa.
Yep. This would suit me
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Quote from the Mailonline report:
To be honest I'd rather not see links from that pitiful rag on here, no matter how much they praise the Villa.
100% agree.
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I didn't see it. Absolutely fuming that I'm a quid down on my 0-10 bet. Gerrard out.
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Quote from the Mailonline report:
To be honest I'd rather not see links from that pitiful rag on here, no matter how much they praise the Villa.
Yep. This would suit me
Me too.
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Linesman didn't put the flag up numerous times in the first half, but was very quick to in the 2nd. Another example of one way incompetence, they're the best team in Europe they don't need help.
Anyway we were excellent, every single player, including McGinn. Special mention for Young who came on with the attitude that Foden wasn't getting past him & he didn't.
We were robbed.
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Really enjoying the Ashley Young love-in. He thoroughly deserves it. When he won that foot race with Kevin Brown who just limply appealed for some kind of invisible foul I almost pissed myself laughing.
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1 things for certain, that dressing room isn’t lost. The commitment was fantastic, the discipline was there and Ashley Young rolled back the years. A monumental effort from everyone.
Indeed. We bag Gerrard when he gets it wrong, but credit to him tonight for getting it spot on. We actually went into the game with what looked like a plan as well (other than the fullbacks bombing forward). More of that please.
I know Bailey scored, but he was one who disappointed me again with his overall work rate.
Was anonymous until the goal, but he's a confidence player. Hopefully he kicks on now.
BTW: Souness on Mings 'ballwatching' first half. He's that sour he's making shit up now. I don't think Tyrone is too bothered about the old dinosaur anyway. It probably is a bit harder to step up when he knows the manager doesn't have full confidence in him. But he's been solid so far this season.
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I hope Legion doesn't mind me doing the honours.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12689344/aston-villa-1-1-manchester-city-premier-league-highlights
Nobody cares.
Allan might
Allan does
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He wasn’t anonymous before the goal.
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Ashley Young was brilliant today, absolutely superb. Looked miles better than Cash, who was poor again, even before the injury. Mings was great as well, as was Luiz. He didn't look like he had much of a cob on after not getting the Arsenal transfer.
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Oh and what the fuck was the ref doing for Phil’s disallowed goal?
More to the point what was VAR doing? It was completely brushed over. How the hell did they decide not to review that? City players just stopped which obviously swayed the officials but that should not stop VAR getting involved. Bizarre really.
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Ashley Young was brilliant today, absolutely superb. Looked miles better than Cash, who was poor again, even before the injury. Mings was great as well, as was Luiz. He didn't look like he had much of a cob on after not getting the Arsenal transfer.
Young was brilliant, it was a great piece of luck that Cash got injured who has been crap all season.
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I just hope this signals a prolonged run of games for Doug. For me he has to start in a midfield three with Kamara and Dendoncker. Coutinho wide left and Bailey on the right. Ollie up front.
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Ashley Young was brilliant today, absolutely superb. Looked miles better than Cash, who was poor again, even before the injury. Mings was great as well, as was Luiz. He didn't look like he had much of a cob on after not getting the Arsenal transfer.
No Cash has been a bit under par so far this season, but then so have most of them.
Doug was great I hope he signs that new deal.
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Ashley Young was brilliant today, absolutely superb. Looked miles better than Cash, who was poor again, even before the injury. Mings was great as well, as was Luiz. He didn't look like he had much of a cob on after not getting the Arsenal transfer.
Young was brilliant, it was a great piece of luck that Cash got injured who has been crap all season.
Both full backs haven’t looked their best because how they have been asked to play. They are not wingers and when they are unable to get back on the counter or too knackered from trying to be wingers and defenders they look less than their ability. Ashley Young back in the day looked great because Bouma being a defender helped a lot. Same as Jack with Targett. We need to allow Cash and Digne to overlap every so often but be defenders first, to help the likes of Coutinho and Bailey focus on attacking.
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Oh and what the fuck was the ref doing for Phil’s disallowed goal?
More to the point what was VAR doing? It was completely brushed over. How the hell did they decide not to review that? City players just stopped which obviously swayed the officials but that should not stop VAR getting involved. Bizarre really.
Ref whistled before the goal, VAR can't overrule it then. In other words the Lino who gave walker onside first half, decided Coutinho was off spuriously even though the attacking play was on going. Remember we got done the same against Crystal Palace and another match when ref whistles just before the goal is stroked in.
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Oh and what the fuck was the ref doing for Phil’s disallowed goal?
More to the point what was VAR doing? It was completely brushed over. How the hell did they decide not to review that? City players just stopped which obviously swayed the officials but that should not stop VAR getting involved. Bizarre really.
The linesman fucked up, not the ref or VAR.
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Oh and what the fuck was the ref doing for Phil’s disallowed goal?
The ref pretty much gave them everything and the disallowed goal was a total disgrace.
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Ashley Young was brilliant today, absolutely superb. Looked miles better than Cash, who was poor again, even before the injury. Mings was great as well, as was Luiz. He didn't look like he had much of a cob on after not getting the Arsenal transfer.
Young was brilliant, it was a great piece of luck that Cash got injured who has been crap all season.
Really? You wish injury on a Villa player? Or have I read that wrong?
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Oh and what the fuck was the ref doing for Phil’s disallowed goal?
More to the point what was VAR doing? It was completely brushed over. How the hell did they decide not to review that? City players just stopped which obviously swayed the officials but that should not stop VAR getting involved. Bizarre really.
The linesman fucked up, not the ref or VAR.
Correct. He was atrocious throughout.
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Oh and what the fuck was the ref doing for Phil’s disallowed goal?
More to the point what was VAR doing? It was completely brushed over. How the hell did they decide not to review that? City players just stopped which obviously swayed the officials but that should not stop VAR getting involved. Bizarre really.
The linesman fucked up, not the ref or VAR.
The ref blew his whistle before Coutinho shot, so it’s the refs fault for not allowing the play to continue which compounded the linesman fuck up.
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Fucking robbed. In every other game I've seen, the lineman would not have flagged - It WAS onside; you could see it was in realtime. Linesmen are told not to raise the flag if it's marginal. It was .... robbed.
And Sky is not even discussing it!
So angry.
SG did well today. Picked the right team and set them up well.
I thought the team was well balanced today. Watkins, Mings, Luiz and Young were particularly good. Bailey and Kamara played their role well. Konsa did fine, although I felt for the goal he was guilty of ball-watching rather than marking Haaland.
McGinn was again disappointing, and Ramsey was not really at the races.
What spooks me is the absence of any critique about the linesman / referee on the disallowed goal: I'm still fuming about it.
I hope the club make strenuous complaints to the EPL and the Refs association about it - what happened this evening goes against all the advice that has been given to officials this season.
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Ashley Young was brilliant today, absolutely superb. Looked miles better than Cash, who was poor again, even before the injury. Mings was great as well, as was Luiz. He didn't look like he had much of a cob on after not getting the Arsenal transfer.
Young was brilliant, it was a great piece of luck that Cash got injured who has been crap all season.
Really? You wish injury on a Villa player? Or have I read that wrong?
course not, it’s just that Cash going off improved the team.
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The Sky Sports highlights address it.
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Quote from the Mailonline report:
To be honest I'd rather not see links from that pitiful rag on here, no matter how much they praise the Villa.
100% agree.
Sure, but the quotes about Villa Park are great, surely we can agree that.
I've not clicked either but the article is hardly by that MON-loving cnut Oliver Holt is it? (son of that boring auld wan in Corrie that would never die off, Emily Bishop).
Actually, I think he's from the Mirror.
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Great team performance, every player did well. I said to my mate he should put Chambers on for Cash and play him or Konsa at rb, shows what I know as Young was superb.
Doug was my m.o.m, although the 2 centre halves and Watkins deserve praise.
That performance has laid down a marker now, we’ve shown we can play much better than our recent efforts if we’re not so open and the tactics are tweaked.
Hopefully it’s a launch pad for Gerrard, we’ll know more after Leicester though.
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Coutinho wasn’t in an offside position, and the ball wasn’t played forward, so there were TWO reasons why he wasn’t offside. The linesman on that side was atrocious all game.
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A much better performance. McGinn apart, I thought they all played well. Nice goal from Villa, with consistency from the linesman and referee, who know what might have happened with Coutinho's banger? Dendonker in for McGinn and we will be much more solid. Lovely goal from Bailey, great set up and pass from JJ. Clever shithousery from Martinez as he slowed it all down and allowed Gerrard to speak to the players. I thought Gerrard looked much more communicative and engaged with the players today too. Still some work to do and this was a free hit, but a good point. Luiz, Kamara played well, as did Konsa. Fantastic ball in from them for their goal but other than that, we looked better defensively other than a couple of minutes. Something to build on and I hope this gives them all confidence. You have to earn the right to put the flair players on by being very solid first of all and Gerrard set us up properly today.
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Did De Bruyne’s cross take a deflection for their goal? I’ve not seen it back but from where I was it looked like Martinez should have done better or I would have expected him to claim the cross.
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It was a quality cross for me.
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Did you have a good view of Leon’s goal Leeg. Your seat looked to be a prime spot for that
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I, amongst others wes not exxpecting that. Onwards etc
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Did you have a good view of Leon’s goal Leeg. Your seat looked to be a prime spot for that
Yes. It was outstanding. The move that led to it as well as the finish and his celebration.
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It was a quality cross for me.
Yeah I think it’s mainly the quality of the cross.
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Quote from the Mailonline report:
To be honest I'd rather not see links from that pitiful rag on here, no matter how much they praise the Villa.
Did you get out of bed the wrong side this morning?
I would say BE got out on the right side as usual.
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Really pleasing performance and result.
The midfield shape worked so much better with a traditional 433, albeit Ramsey and Bailey flattening into a 5 helped us.
Ashley Young was superb. That tackle on De Bruyne fantastic and he had Foden in his pocket. A little shake with distribution from the back at first, but felt we grew into the game more.
Rocked a little after they scored when they turned the heat up, rode our luck, but I felt on balance with the effort we put in we deserved that.
There's some real.quality in this squad and if we can get the shape and balance right, we should improve.
I'd being the Donk in for McGinn next week, as he was poor again unfortunately. Maybe a few weeks off will help?
Watkins lead the line well, Bailey finished beautifully and Ramsey on occasion broke the line and hit the box like he was doing.
Felt we stayed compact and very seldom did an individual get drawn out on the press, which is what they look to exploit. Felt Emi was at fault for the goal, but not seen it back.
Loads to work on and build from there. The noise was fantastic second half. Imagine how loud it will be in a year or two when there's another 10,000? Let's ensure we start to put consistent 100% effort in like that evreyweek, as if we do, with the quality we have, it might lead somewhere interesting.
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Quality battling performance with everyone giving 100%. It just shows when you set a team up with proper shape and the team have belief in this you can get the basics right, now to build on this and get some confidence before you can start introducing the flair into the side. Its all about building some confidence now.
I thought Young was superb with the whole back four so disciplined and putting a shift in and Kamara and Luiz especially excellent, the ball Dougie threaded through to Watkins in the first half was sublime.
As for the Ref blowing his whistle without letting the play develop why is anyone surprised its clear the so called big sides get the decisions, the disallowed Wet Spam goal today was a disgrace but you knew they would side with Chelsea.
Now lets follow this up at Leicester ......
UTV
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Lots of positive reports from those who were there and it looks from MOTD like we had some good chances.
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Lots of positive reports from those who were there and it looks from MOTD like we had some good chances.
They dominated clearly, but we played some nice stuff as we grew into the game.
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We should have won. Fuck VAR not even bothering to check if our perfectly good second goal was onside.
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It was a quality cross for me.
Yeah I think it’s mainly the quality of the cross.
Same here.
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Quote from the Mailonline report:
To be honest I'd rather not see links from that pitiful rag on here, no matter how much they praise the Villa.
Did you get out of bed the wrong side this morning?
I would say BE got out on the right side as usual.
Whichever way I get out of bed and whatever my mood, I will never, ever take kindly to seeing a link to that hateful, damaging organ.
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Quote from the Mailonline report:
To be honest I'd rather not see links from that pitiful rag on here, no matter how much they praise the Villa.
100% agree.
Sure, but the quotes about Villa Park are great, surely we can agree that.
I've not clicked either but the article is hardly by that MON-loving cnut Oliver Holt is it? (son of that boring auld wan in Corrie that would never die off, Emily Bishop).
Actually, I think he's from the Mirror.
No, he writes for the Mail. And I don't care whether they devote a front page to "Hurrah for the Claret Shirts", they can fuck off.
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I’m staring to think they bought Joe off us purely to p*ss us off.
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Yet another game that Oil City benefit from a wrong decision against us Most people remember the goal that should have been chalked off for offside but a lot of people forget them scoring the winning goal in the league cup final from a corner which should have been a goal kick
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I’m staring to think they bought Joe off us purely to p*ss us off.
That arsehole did a tour of all the stands again after the fial whistle. Just piss off and count your cash Greasy, it'll make up for watching your career go down the drain.
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I’m staring to think they bought Joe off us purely to p*ss us off.
That arsehole did a tour of all the stands again after the fial whistle. Just piss off and count your cash Greasy, it'll make up for watching your career go down the drain.
He got a round of applause on his way to the subs bench before KO.
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I’m staring to think they bought Joe off us purely to p*ss us off.
That arsehole did a tour of all the stands again after the fial whistle. Just piss off and count your cash Greasy, it'll make up for watching your career go down the drain.
Guardiola is always strange when it comes to subs. I thought Foden should have been embarrassed with his performance getting owned by Young. After we scored you would have thought it was setup for Grealish to come on against his old team. But no run and only left to high five the kids. I don't get how he isn't fuming not getting a run today. Waving to the crowd without a care.
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It was a quality cross for me.
Yeah I think it’s mainly the quality of the cross.
Same here.
I think Martinez misread it slightly, started moving towards the front post then was caught wrong-footed. But it was a very good cross and the ball had a lot of pace on it, so can't really hold Emi responsible.
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Where did that performance come from? we learned a few things today, we do have a decent squad, Gerrard hasn't lost the players, we look stronger when full backs are left to defend, whatever Ashley Young is taking I want some, we are a better counter attacking side, thought for a long time Ramsey should be paired with Watkins. We looked the stronger side the last ten minutes.
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I’m staring to think they bought Joe off us purely to p*ss us off.
That arsehole did a tour of all the stands again after the fial whistle. Just piss off and count your cash Greasy, it'll make up for watching your career go down the drain.
It’s just bizarre. There have been so many games when they need something to get a win and they leave a £100m player on the bench. Why buy him?
I just can’t agree with anyone who gave him a cheer.
He’s just an idiot.
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A year ago, I'd have said cheering him was the height of sap. But honestly now I feel a bit sorry for him. Sure, all the money in the world, but what is he now compared to then? He was once the most talked about player in England, his name was a byword for excitement, for glamour. Now? He's a punchline - and that's when he's remembered at all.
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Good performance! At last
Grew into the game and got better and better.
For me we got better because we started to to play the balls quicker and used the wings up front.
Mings and KingK did well with Haaland.
BUT we started to really stretch them once McGinn went off.
Champions of Europe. You’ll never sing that 😉
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A year ago, I'd have said cheering him was the height of sap. But honestly now I feel a bit sorry for him. Sure, all the money in the world, but what is he now compared to then? He was once the most talked about player in England, his name was a byword for excitement, for glamour. Now? He's punchline - and that's when he's remembered at all.
Yes indeed. I had intended to boo him if he had come on but i ended up clapping him off the pitch as he walked off with Tyronne by his side. Waht a waste of superb talent.
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A year ago, I'd have said cheering him was the height of sap. But honestly now I feel a bit sorry for him. Sure, all the money in the world, but what is he now compared to then? He was once the most talked about player in England, his name was a byword for excitement, for glamour. Now? He's punchline - and that's when he's remembered at all.
Yes indeed. I had intended to boo him if he had come on but i ended up clapping him off the pitch as he walked off with Tyronne by his side. Waht a waste of superb talent.
We all said it at the time. He was so foolish to move and not only did he damage his career, he completely derailed the progress of his 'boyhood club'. Ah well, he is even more filthy rich than he already was so he won't care.
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As others have said, that shows us we do have a half decent squad there once they’re organized properly. Gerrard got it right today.
Credit all round, massive improvement and totally unexpected - now we must follow it up against Leicester.
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PaulWinch again, you're starting Match threads from now on. Great work, fella.
Hold on...he's not won a home match this season ;)
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De Bruyne's cross took a nick off Digne to send Martínez back-pedalling, I thought.
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De Bruyne's cross took a nick off Digne to send Martínez back-pedalling, I thought.
If so, fair enough, I didn't spot that.
I'm not complaining anyway (apart from about the officials), a clean sheet would've flattered us, as proved by Carragher saying, when De Bruyne hit the bar, "if he'd been three or four yards further back, that would've been a goal".
And who can take issue with that? If Man City had created more chances, got them on target and we hadn't blocked or saved them, they would've won.
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De Bruyne's cross took a nick off Digne to send Martínez back-pedalling, I thought.
No. It was an amazingly clever flight and both Emi and Ezri were caught out.
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After watching another replay of chalked off Coutinho goal all I can say about the lino is "Oh you ******, how could you?"
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Coutinho wasn’t in an offside position, and the ball wasn’t played forward, so there were TWO reasons why he wasn’t offside. The linesman on that side was atrocious all game.
Been over 15 years since I reffed so I'm not as clear as I used to be on the laws, but the second one there looks wrong.
You can't be offside if you were behind the ball when your team-mate passed it, but if you are in front of the ball in an offside position, it is passed backward and you run further backward to get it you are offside.
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Except Coutinho was never in an offside position.
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That's why I said the second one was wrong, not the first.
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You can not be offside if the ball is passed backwards
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Apparently the officials admitted to Gerrard they got it wrong
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It was a quality cross for me.
Yeah I think it’s mainly the quality of the cross.
Watching it again, I think Emi was taking a couple of steps forward when he hit it it, which left him struggling to get back.
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Its quite remarkable to see the change in attitude due to one game.
Iv been saying, give Gerrard time..he is class, and look what happens, he pulls out a plum against a side who were going to annihilate us if you were to believe all the naysayers.
Hopefully some of the idiots might get off his back now and let him do the job he was paid to do.
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It’s a great result but only if we kick on from it vs Leicester and Southampton.
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We have to find a way to keep Leon in thr team, because he does lack defensive cover but he's our only real creative spark atm
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Its quite remarkable to see the change in attitude due to one game.
Iv been saying, give Gerrard time..he is class, and look what happens, he pulls out a plum against a side who were going to annihilate us if you were to believe all the naysayers.
Hopefully some of the idiots might get off his back now and let him do the job he was paid to do.
This is spot on. We can all see there is real quality in the squad but it will take time to build on that and add others of similar quality. Gerrard (or whoever else) must be given it. Half of last season and 6 games of this isn’t enough
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Its quite remarkable to see the change in attitude due to one game.
Iv been saying, give Gerrard time..he is class, and look what happens, he pulls out a plum against a side who were going to annihilate us if you were to believe all the naysayers.
Hopefully some of the idiots might get off his back now and let him do the job he was paid to do.
This is spot on. We can all see there is real quality in the squad but it will take time to build on that and add others of similar quality. Gerrard (or whoever else) must be given it. Half of last season and 6 games of this isn’t enough
I also firmly agree. Also needs time to build rapport with Critchley.
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Sure, but the mood always changes with a performance, and that was a real performance
Maybe he can learn, he's taking mcginn off and playing Bailey, maybe it can change. I've been very sceptical but saw real promise today
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Re the Coutinho decision, clearly a complete cock up but their defenders stop playing so I don't think he necessarily gets the shot off if it wasn't for the whistle. A shame we will never know.
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I always get nervous before a Villa game even after all these years, but i just felt a bit apathetic going to Villa Park yesterday and fully expected them to get an early goal and for us to then get completely turned over. Everyone around me in the lower holte was the same.
Cut to midway through the second half and the realisation we could get something out of this, i haven’t heard the ground rock like that for a long time, brilliant atmosphere.
Young brilliant and arguably kicked started the game for us with that great tackle on De Bruyne that eventually led to Watkins chance. Thought Mings, Konsa and Digne looked solid and put in a huge effort. Luiz was superb, Ramsey was subdued until McGinn came off then came to life. McGinn was anonymous and also looks unfit, i thought he was so slow to close Silva down, which led to a pass to De Bruyne and their goal. He simply has to be taken out of the team.
Watkins immense and had their defence rattled. I think Bailey is really lightweight and too easy to knock off the ball, but he is a confidence player and it grew after his superb finish.
What an unexpectedly great afternoon!
Does it kick start our season?
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Its quite remarkable to see the change in attitude due to one game.
Iv been saying, give Gerrard time..he is class, and look what happens, he pulls out a plum against a side who were going to annihilate us if you were to believe all the naysayers.
Hopefully some of the idiots might get off his back now and let him do the job he was paid to do.
He’s rightly getting some credit for yesterday, the team was setup well and the players did the jobs and defied expectations. In other games he hasn’t set us up correctly and the players struggled in the system. It’s one game though and Gerrard himself said that yesterday will mean little if we don’t follow it up next week.
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Its quite remarkable to see the change in attitude due to one game.
Iv been saying, give Gerrard time..he is class, and look what happens, he pulls out a plum against a side who were going to annihilate us if you were to believe all the naysayers.
Hopefully some of the idiots might get off his back now and let him do the job he was paid to do.
He’s rightly getting some credit for yesterday, the team was setup well and the players did the jobs and defied expectations. In other games he hasn’t set us up correctly and the players struggled in the system. It’s one game though and Gerrard himself said that yesterday will mean little if we don’t follow it up next week.
Quite right, your judged on your last performances, Gerrard has been getting criticism for a playing the same system week in and week out for many matches this year.
He’s getting credit for setting up in a way to combat yesterdays game, which we looked far more organised and had so much more energy as well. The team looked far happier.
This needs to be witnessed going forward and he needs to stop being stubborn on who is playing. Again yesterday he showed that.
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I haven't enjoyed a match that much for a long time, I was expecting a quiet crowd and at least four put past us .... The fans were unbelievable from the start, the whole ground getting behind the team and the players responded.
Ashley Young was fantastic when he came on and shown how it's done.
For all the lows we put up with and all the mediocre crap we endure ,nights like those make it all worth it.
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I haven't enjoyed a match that much for a long time, I was expecting a quiet crowd and at least four put past us .... The fans were unbelievable from the start, the whole ground getting behind the team and the players responded.
Ashley Young was fantastic when he came on and shown how it's done.
For all the lows we put up with and all the mediocre crap we endure ,nights like those make it all worth it.
Er, are you OK?!
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Well ‘One Swallow a Summer does not make’ but the team looked motivated and showed a lot of heart as, after 30 mins, I still thought we were going to get stuffed as soon as they’d got their first, which was looking somewhat inevitable.
Gerrard set up the team in a different way and, most importantly, changed it for the better early enough for it to make a difference and for that, he deserves credit. We now need to put a run together and create some distance between us and the relegation spots otherwise the ‘Gerrard Out’ threads will again attract the most traffic. He’s got the attacking players to win the next few games now we look a little tighter at the back, can he do it? He’s going to have to.
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Its quite remarkable to see the change in attitude due to one game.
Iv been saying, give Gerrard time..he is class, and look what happens, he pulls out a plum against a side who were going to annihilate us if you were to believe all the naysayers.
Hopefully some of the idiots might get off his back now and let him do the job he was paid to do.
He’s rightly getting some credit for yesterday, the team was setup well and the players did the jobs and defied expectations. In other games he hasn’t set us up correctly and the players struggled in the system. It’s one game though and Gerrard himself said that yesterday will mean little if we don’t follow it up next week.
Quite right, your judged on your last performances, Gerrard has been getting criticism for a playing the same system week in and week out for many matches this year.
He’s getting credit for setting up in a way to combat yesterdays game, which we looked far more organised and had so much more energy as well. The team looked far happier.
This needs to be witnessed going forward and he needs to stop being stubborn on who is playing. Again yesterday he showed that.
Yep, for as long as i can remember i've seen Villa teams shite for a few weeks against crap teams and lose/draw, raise it and play well for a couple of weeks against good teams and draw/lose narrowly (i thought we were good second half against Arsenal too) and then drop off again the weeks after against crap teams again. We must not let it happen. Play with the commitment and organisation that we did yesterday all season and we'll do pretty well and Gerrard won't have to worry about his job.
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Superb. I went in hoping we'd just not get pummelled. I was terrified about our defensive organisation. The reason Arsenal won't win the league, is that the first half of our game with them, they should have scored 4-5. City would have, given that kind of space. We were much better second half of that game, carrying it through and improving further into this.
Defensively we looked good. Bailey tracked back to help the fullback. On the other side, it seemed like McGinn moved out whilst Ramsey slipped into an 8 again to defend. I like Ramsey further up. He did well and it just took a touch of pressure off him. When he came back slightly in the second half to start from deeper and drive at them, he and we improved.
We were just more organised all round.
Ashley Young I thought was fantastic. Probably my man of the match. I have an issue with playing Cash and Digne in the same side. When you play as narrow as we do and fullbacks supply the width, and both are very forward thinking, you end up exposed. We actually looked better under Gerrard with Targett, probably because Matty doesn't spend as much time in the opposition third than Digne (and cash is doing the same on the opposite). Young came in and naturally at his age is more conservative, less inclined to bomb on as much and subsequently, we weren't getting quite as exposed.
So going forward, I think we need to pick and choose games where you play Cash and Digne. It's less of an issue if we've got the defensive side of the midfield on point.
Now let's not be predictably Villa and take our foot off the pedal in the next game.
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Best result we have had in a long time. Best performance for a for a good while too.
Please can we have more.
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I’m staring to think they bought Joe off us purely to p*ss us off.
Done to nullify a potential threat ,see also Arsenal and Luiz
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Fair play to Gerrard. He could have panicked and threw on a couple of forwards but he stuck to the gameplan and just tweaked it a little. Well deserved point and a decent performance. It's just a shame the ref and that linesman were both absolutely apalling.
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How are 'professional' refs allowed to be that fat and seemingly unfit? The ref was absolutely diabolical yesterday.
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Its quite remarkable to see the change in attitude due to one game.
Iv been saying, give Gerrard time..he is class, and look what happens, he pulls out a plum against a side who were going to annihilate us if you were to believe all the naysayers.
Hopefully some of the idiots might get off his back now and let him do the job he was paid to do.
Ah, you must be new to watching football.
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Fair play to Gerrard. He could have panicked and threw on a couple of forwards but he stuck to the gameplan and just tweaked it a little. Well deserved point and a decent performance. It's just a shame the ref and that linesman were both absolutely apalling.
I think that's precisely what he was planning to do just as we scored. He said on Sky that his amusing reaction to the goal (jumping up wildly then immediately telling the bench to calm down) was because he was about to make a more attacking substitution and then didn't need to.
As for the 'offside' goal, it's a shame, but VAR is never going to help in those situations. Once the whistle goes, that's it. It's precisely why the refs and linesmen as encouraged to err on the side of the attackers to give the benefit of the doubt (knowing VAR will correct it).
I suspect the refs union will defend the on-field decision by saying the moment Coutinho was going away from goal and out of the box with the ball it became a 'new phase' of play, so blowing the whistle to pull it back for the offside was "legitimate" in the ref's eyes. I don't know if he scores if everyone carries on for another second, but it would have been nice to find out. He really needed it for confidence too, he looked well up for when he came on (having a good tustle with John Stones towards the end too), so a goal would have been great for him.
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Cracking evening's football - Thoroughly enjoyed that. Performance, atmosphere, tactics, the lot!
Couple of points - Early on, we were getting destroyed down our right. Cash was getting totally overrun down that side (*and has been poor for a while now), but the introduction of Ashley Young totally nullified that threat. Rolled back the years and was easily my MotM.
For the stick we've given Gerrard over the past month or so, he deserves the plaudits for how he set us up for the game, along with the subs he made. Was not expecting McGinn to make way for Phil, so maybe he's now finally seeing what we've been seeing for the past year! Shoutout to Tyrone too - Had Haaland totally under control last night, and spotted both Ty and Martinez winding him up throughout the match. 😁
Despite the ref/linesman fucking us with the offside, REALLY happy with the draw considering what most of us were expecting. The key now is to take that and build on it for Leicester and Southampton and not revert to type.
Jury is definitely still out on Gerrard, as one game a great manager doth not make (*think Yoda said that once!), but credit where it's due, it's a step in the right direction.
Enjoy the remainder of your weekend! #UTV
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It was a great performance, gerrard and the team deserve a lot of credit for that. The structure of the team worked really well, particularly the full backs not playing in front of the strikers!
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The thing that saved us last night was Cash getting injured. From therein we had a full back who could defend on the right.
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Its quite remarkable to see the change in attitude due to one game.
Iv been saying, give Gerrard time..he is class, and look what happens, he pulls out a plum against a side who were going to annihilate us if you were to believe all the naysayers.
Hopefully some of the idiots might get off his back now and let him do the job he was paid to do.
Ahh....Bless!
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Its quite remarkable to see the change in attitude due to one game.
Iv been saying, give Gerrard time..he is class, and look what happens, he pulls out a plum against a side who were going to annihilate us if you were to believe all the naysayers.
Hopefully some of the idiots might get off his back now and let him do the job he was paid to do.
Bit of a generalisation there professor regarding calling people idiots for expressing opinions on a public forum.
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I would love nothing more than for Gerrard to learn from this performance and be flexible enough to change things as and when needed rather than stick to the same tactics and formations that were not working. If he can it would save all the upheaval of starting all over again….again.
I guess the next two games will show us.
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Its quite remarkable to see the change in attitude due to one game.
Iv been saying, give Gerrard time..he is class, and look what happens, he pulls out a plum against a side who were going to annihilate us if you were to believe all the naysayers.
Hopefully some of the idiots might get off his back now and let him do the job he was paid to do.
Ahh....Bless!
Six posts and they are calling people idiots. Do I detect a former poster under a new username?
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Its quite remarkable to see the change in attitude due to one game.
Iv been saying, give Gerrard time..he is class, and look what happens, he pulls out a plum against a side who were going to annihilate us if you were to believe all the naysayers.
Hopefully some of the idiots might get off his back now and let him do the job he was paid to do.
Ahh....Bless!
I agree. Don't you realise Gerrard having to spend time reading all these idiotic posts on H & V about us wanting to be more successful means he has less time preparing the team.
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Its quite remarkable to see the change in attitude due to one game.
Iv been saying, give Gerrard time..he is class, and look what happens, he pulls out a plum against a side who were going to annihilate us if you were to believe all the naysayers.
Hopefully some of the idiots might get off his back now and let him do the job he was paid to do.
Ahh....Bless!
Six posts and they are calling people idiots. Do I detect a former poster under a new username?
Which is against site rules. Why ask for an account to be deleted then re-register with a similar username?
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Its quite remarkable to see the change in attitude due to one game.
Iv been saying, give Gerrard time..he is class, and look what happens, he pulls out a plum against a side who were going to annihilate us if you were to believe all the naysayers.
Hopefully some of the idiots might get off his back now and let him do the job he was paid to do.
Bit of a generalisation there professor regarding calling people idiots for expressing opinions on a public forum.
It does seem to be a common theme from posters with Holtender in their name.
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Could be a coincidence, though.
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Its quite remarkable to see the change in attitude due to one game.
Iv been saying, give Gerrard time..he is class, and look what happens, he pulls out a plum against a side who were going to annihilate us if you were to believe all the naysayers.
Hopefully some of the idiots might get off his back now and let him do the job he was paid to do.
Bit of a generalisation there professor regarding calling people idiots for expressing opinions on a public forum.
It does seem to be a common theme from posters with Holtender in their name.
No offense to the 13,000 or so souls I'm about to offend, but all Holte Enders are a bit yampy. The North Stand is the home of cool, reasoned debate.
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No offense to the 13,000 or so souls I'm about to offend, but all Holte Enders are a bit yampy. The North Stand is the home of caravan owners, tartan blankets and thermos flasks.
FTFY
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Not sure if it's been mentioned but there was a Villa fan receiving CPR from some coppers outside the Holte End club shop just before kick off. Fingers crossed for him.
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Brilliant performance leaving Villa Park after the game felt so good I haven't felt like that for a while let's hope it kick starts our season.
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Oh and what the fuck was the ref doing for Phil’s disallowed goal?
More to the point what was VAR doing? It was completely brushed over. How the hell did they decide not to review that? City players just stopped which obviously swayed the officials but that should not stop VAR getting involved. Bizarre really.
The linesman fucked up, not the ref or VAR.
Which makes it even worse. We're seeing linesmen not give the most blatant offsides and letting play go on regardless so that VAR can review it afterwards. This corrupt asshole puts his flag up for an offside that at best was marginal so what's it to be? Are they giving offsides or not? It's corruption in my view. The club should be asking for formal clarification from the Premier league.
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Its quite remarkable to see the change in attitude due to one game.
Iv been saying, give Gerrard time..he is class, and look what happens, he pulls out a plum against a side who were going to annihilate us if you were to believe all the naysayers.
Hopefully some of the idiots might get off his back now and let him do the job he was paid to do.
Ahh....Bless!
To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible. ;)
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No offense to the 13,000 or so souls I'm about to offend, but all Holte Enders are a bit yampy. The North Stand is the home of caravan owners, tartan blankets and thermos flasks.
FTFY
That may be the case but I've never owned any of those items personally, and it's a bit rich coming from you with your padded seat and laced hot chocolates!
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Its quite remarkable to see the change in attitude due to one game.
Iv been saying, give Gerrard time..he is class, and look what happens, he pulls out a plum against a side who were going to annihilate us if you were to believe all the naysayers.
Hopefully some of the idiots might get off his back now and let him do the job he was paid to do.
Ahh....Bless!
To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible. ;)
Another holier than thou. Was a good performance but why has it taken Gerrard so long to pull out his plums.
And yes, I know that sounds dodgy!
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No offense to the 13,000 or so souls I'm about to offend, but all Holte Enders are a bit yampy. The North Stand is the home of caravan owners, tartan blankets and thermos flasks.
FTFY
That may be the case but I've never owned any of those items personally, and it's a bit rich coming from you with your padded seat and laced hot chocolates!
Ha ha, fair play!
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No offense to the 13,000 or so souls I'm about to offend, but all Holte Enders are a bit yampy. The North Stand is the home of caravan owners, tartan blankets and thermos flasks.
FTFY
LeeB 8ers will be 8ers. We stand sorry sit together in the Witton end.
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No offense to the 13,000 or so souls I'm about to offend, but all Holte Enders are a bit yampy. The North Stand is the home of caravan owners, tartan blankets and thermos flasks.
FTFY
That may be the case but I've never owned any of those items personally, and it's a bit rich coming from you with your padded seat and laced hot chocolates!
Ha ha, fair play!
Is LeeB a snail then?
A mate of my dads lived in a mobile home in stratford and he was mightily offended when my sister called it a big caravan
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Stood outside the holte end before the game and said to my brother why do I put myself through such pain,I remarked that I done it for 40 odds years so another few won't matter, coming home walking back into town I said it's days like this I do it for,walking back from Aston remembering memories when I was a kid, when the pubs didn't open till 5/6?
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To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible. ;)
I bet you are ready to move up t the mountains.
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Sky sports just did an excellent review of our disallowed goal. They asked the question which really needs to be answered in full by the PL and PGMOL. Which is: are linesmen being told to flag for offside or not? We're seeing massive discrepancies in the interpretation by officials. There is not another sport on the planet where the rules of the game are applied in such a random and haphazard way. They have lost the plot.
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The PGMOL is in disarray and has been for a while. They still can’t implement the VAR system correctly and the standard of referring on the whole is poor. Just when you think you know what the latest laws of the game are it appears they’ve changed. When you can’t get it right after viewing replays many times over then something needs to urgently change.
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They should only be allowed to watch a reply on the screen at the side of the pitch in real time.
That's what they do for the other decisions during the game, and slow motion replays make challenges look far more dramatic. There's a reason Hollywood do those big action scenes in that way.
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No offense to the 13,000 or so souls I'm about to offend, but all Holte Enders are a bit yampy. The North Stand is the home of cool, reasoned debate.
Having a stadium with four distinct stands, it's this inter stand factionalism and lack of fan solidarity that has resulted in our clubs decades long underperformance. The sooner we fill in the corners or move to a purpose built lego stadium the better.
Having said that, I do miss the old Upper Trinity where one could mix with those of your own class away from the masses.
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Well yesterday Villa you did me proud. A critic of SG I will admit. But yesterday the manager..staff..players..supporters made me proud to support the greatest club the world has ever know. A draw I know but so many of us will have got the immense pleasure out of it that Dave eluded to. That's why I can never get them out of my blood. AVFC...Stand proud forever.
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I watched the replay of the disallowed goal many times. When the pass left the players foot he was onside but as the ball travelled the defenders move out slightly leaving him looking to be offside, the linesman got it wrong but we are talking about tenths of a second.
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Well done Villa, and as one of his harshest critics on here, well done Gerrard. He really dropped a bollock with the captaincy, needs to correct that so he can drop McGinn. Got everything else right today.
Agree with that.
Also, interestingly Bailey's post - match interview he said Gerrard had told them to go out and play without pressure on them; which is right as it was all on Gerrard. If that's the turning point I'll be chuffed to bits. Let's see what the next two bring.
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Souness and to a lesser extent Dion Dublin didn't half spout some nonsense after yesterday's game. To listen to them, one would have thought that the reason we'd not got results in previous games was that we'd been striving to play perfect expansive football, and not because we'd lacked clear purpose and organisation, and had players out of form starting games.
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I watched the replay of the disallowed goal many times. When the pass left the players foot he was onside but as the ball travelled the defenders move out slightly leaving him looking to be offside, the linesman got it wrong but we are talking about tenths of a second.
Which is why offsides are always controversial as they can be very small distances and times, but we were told VAR would be able to take these mistakes out of the game as it is a definitive measure*. As with everything it is consistency. Assistant Refs are told not to flag as VAR can't be used if the play is stopped. I've seen them not call even when the decision is obvious and play is still down in the corner just in case. Yes Coutinho came back to pick up the ball and might have played it back (hence a new phase of play and call, but he continued holding it and turned into a dangerous position. An example of not calling one was given by the same lino when Walker was through. Certainly seemed to be offside by a foot or so, lino allowed play and if the ball had gone into the net, VAR would have called on it.
* Obviously it is not definitive as they are measuring off non-level cameras and still using "judgement" on when the ball is played and which pixel on the screen represents the body parts they want to call against.
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I watched the replay of the disallowed goal many times. When the pass left the players foot he was onside but as the ball travelled the defenders move out slightly leaving him looking to be offside, the linesman got it wrong but we are talking about tenths of a second.
The ball went backwards so he could have been behind the goalie and still not offside.
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I watched the replay of the disallowed goal many times. When the pass left the players foot he was onside but as the ball travelled the defenders move out slightly leaving him looking to be offside, the linesman got it wrong but we are talking about tenths of a second.
The ball went backwards so he could have been behind the goalie and still not off side.
Not one thing in the rules about the ball being played backwards though.
A player is in an offside position if:
any part of the head, body or feet is in the opponents’ half (excluding the halfway line) and
any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate
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To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible. ;)
I bet you are ready to move up t the mountains.
Not yet, I'm still waiting for the mountain to come to me.
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Was it the arsenal game last season they looked at VAR and give a penalty 1 hour later
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Well yesterday Villa you did me proud. A critic of SG I will admit. But yesterday the manager..staff..players..supporters made me proud to support the greatest club the world has ever know. A draw I know but so many of us will have got the immense pleasure out of it that Dave eluded to. That's why I can never get them out of my blood. AVFC...Stand proud forever.
agree with every word
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I watched the replay of the disallowed goal many times. When the pass left the players foot he was onside but as the ball travelled the defenders move out slightly leaving him looking to be offside, the linesman got it wrong but we are talking about tenths of a second.
The ball went backwards so he could have been behind the goalie and still not off side.
Not one thing in the rules about the ball being played backwards though.
A player is in an offside position if:
any part of the head, body or feet is in the opponents’ half (excluding the halfway line) and
any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate
The bit about the ball being passed back is covered in the first paragraph referencing the position of the ball, so it follows that you can’t be offside if the ball is passed backwards. That’s my interpretation of it anyway.
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It doesn't mention the position of the ball, only the player's position comparative to that of the ball.
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It doesn't mention the position of the ball, only the player's position comparative to that of the ball.
Not sure I follow you.
"any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent"
The position of the ball is clearly implied, if not spelled out.
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It doesn't mention the position of the ball, only the player's position comparative to that of the ball.
Not sure I follow you.
"any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent"
The position of the ball is clearly implied, if not spelled out.
Position, not direction of travel. If you're behind the ball you can't be offside but if you're infront of the ball then it being passed backwards doesn't stop the laws being applied. It's slightly confusing because it's pretty rare for a pass to be played backwards to a player who started in front of you.
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Its quite remarkable to see the change in attitude due to one game.
Iv been saying, give Gerrard time..he is class, and look what happens, he pulls out a plum against a side who were going to annihilate us if you were to believe all the naysayers.
Hopefully some of the idiots might get off his back now and let him do the job he was paid to do.
Ahh....Bless!
To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible. ;)
Another holier than thou. Was a good performance but why has it taken Gerrard so long to pull out his plums.
And yes, I know that sounds dodgy!
Yesterday was much better and apart from the one chap saying it was luck, everyone has rightly given Gerrard credit. I hope it's the beginning of something great, but equally, lose the next two and it's 4 points from 8 games and he should be gone, for me.
As I say, hopefully Gerrard now has it sussed and we'll go from strength to strength, but a good performance and 1 point doesn't undo everything poor that came before it.
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No offense to the 13,000 or so souls I'm about to offend, but all Holte Enders are a bit yampy. The North Stand is the home of cool, reasoned debate.
Having a stadium with four distinct stands, it's this inter stand factionalism and lack of fan solidarity that has resulted in our clubs decades long underperformance. The sooner we fill in the corners or move to a purpose built lego stadium the better.
Having said that, I do miss the old Upper Trinity where one could mix with those of your own class away from the masses.
Holte End clap your hands, upper Trinity just rattle your jewellery.
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I did arrive at the telly-football-pub 30min in and then to my pleasure I did recognize A young at RB and it did fill me with some hope/joy after that had gone flat since last games; No cashing around and young showed his capabillities there at Bolton :). I did see a Villa that grew into something better during the match away from the low intensity and lack of creativity of late - and more of what we where over a year ago when the one not good enough for the match sitting on the citybench where in our team, and after our goal it was really enjoyable for a Villafan. My ratings:
Martinez - i think he s very good keeper for us with presence and confidence but some minor accidents lately and shold he have been else placed when they scored can be a question; 6,5
Young 9
Konsa - I m a fan of his playingstyle - one the best stopper-stoppers in PL 8
Mings - I m also a fan of Tyrone (or Danny as a commentator was called him ....) He s unbeatable man to man running for the ball and superb in the air but do hinder us playing out from the back IMO cause his not able enough under pressure and hoof it also a bit slow to turn under pressure in our box. I think the injuried one are brought to replace him. 6.5
Digne 7,5 been very good since joined us IMO
Kamara 8 Commentators praised his playing again and again , keep the ball, calm things down, find a pass and makes it look easy.
Luiz 7,5 has its critics - whats not to like?
Mc Ginn 6 - I like mc ginn but he does see a bit to slow these days, he s not taken off weight since last I dont think. He give his all, I think he was booed a little bit when taken off - no need for that
Ramsey - did seem tired in second half and did come second to the ball repeatedly then and lost confidence one to one with their keeper just before he set up Bailey to score nad things changed to the better 6.5
Bailey 7
Watkins 7
Couthino did make a good sub, when he plays from the start do Gerrard and the team expect to much that creativity in the team mostly should come from him?
Villa Park - I have never been there. You could hear the villa fan very loud through the tv when we did take the ball and did something with it (silence ish when city did something); the atmosphere seemed very good and I kind og got lifted of this warm ish loud noise and this energize our players I have no doubt about that; havent really heard something like that before from any arena as I can remember - very impressed; 9.5
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Hope you get to visit one day soon Astnor.
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Hope you get to visit one day soon Astnor.
Echo that, nothing beats walking to the game through Aston Park as the Holte End hoves into view.
Anyway, with the price of booze in Norway you'll probably save money if you come over for a game. 8)
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Hope you get to visit one day soon Astnor.
Echo that, nothing beats walking to the game through Aston Park as the Holte End hoves into view.
Anyway, with the price of booze in Norway you'll probably save money if you come over for a game. 8)
I’m a terrible villa fan judging on my attendance to games (whole load of reasons not least my own mental health) but my first game was the 6-1 battering of Sunderland and was the greatest atmosphere I’ve ever experienced in my life. It’s something I hope my scandanavian brother will one day experience.
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Hope you get to visit one day soon Astnor.
Echo that, nothing beats walking to the game through Aston Park as the Holte End hoves into view.
Anyway, with the price of booze in Norway you'll probably save money if you come over for a game. 8)
I’m a terrible villa fan judging on my attendance to games (whole load of reasons not least my own mental health) but my first game was the 6-1 battering of Sunderland and was the greatest atmosphere I’ve ever experienced in my life. It’s something I hope my scandanavian brother will one day experience.
Many thanks :) I will let you know for sure if it will be happening. and yes the prices for beer they are laughable here.
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Well yesterday Villa you did me proud. A critic of SG I will admit. But yesterday the manager..staff..players..supporters made me proud to support the greatest club the world has ever know. A draw I know but so many of us will have got the immense pleasure out of it that Dave eluded to. That's why I can never get them out of my blood. AVFC...Stand proud forever.
agree with every word
A great summary of my own thoughts. When we are attacking the Holte with some momentum and belief there is nowhere I’d rather be in the whole world. There were times yesterday where there were two different chants in the Holte upper and as I was smack in the middle behind the cameraman it was hard to know which one to join in with.
The effort and togetherness yesterday was brilliant and you have to hope the team respond to this with a desire to build on this next week.
Two blokes behind me were obviously several pints into their day and were really geeing up one and all. When we scored the took off their shirts and were doing the waving them in the air thing for the rest of the game, bouncing up and down, cheering singing and swearing. After the post match ovation had finished I turned round and they had gone, but their shirts were still on the floor. They must have gone home bare chested.
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I made the mistake of taking my nine year old to watch PNE play Birmingham, and the wankers went and won. Only caught the game today, but was a much better performance.
All any of us want is for Gerrard to turn it around, but I confess I had given up on him. Lets hope we pick that form up and win the next couple of games now.
Leicester look abject, have to get 3 points there.
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I made the mistake of taking my nine year old to watch PNE play Birmingham
Why?
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I made the mistake of taking my nine year old to watch PNE play Birmingham, and the wankers went and won. Only caught the game today, but was a much better performance.
All any of us want is for Gerrard to turn it around, but I confess I had given up on him. Lets hope we pick that form up and win the next couple of games now.
Leicester look abject, have to get 3 points there.
Don't jinx Saturday! Please!
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We could not afford full backs galivanting up the pitch against that lot and we looked a lot more solid for it.
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We could not afford full backs galivanting up the pitch against that lot and we looked a lot more solid for it.
I really hope he ditches this idea and sticks to wider midfielders. It’s ok if you’ve got the quality of fullbacks and forwards Liverpool have. But we don’t. Bailey & Ramsey linked up lovely for our goal so I’d imagine that’ll be the shape against Leicester
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I made the mistake of taking my nine year old to watch PNE play Birmingham
Why?
I live near Preston, mate lent me his season ticket. Obviously was supporting PNE not Blues!
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Preston aren't the most exciting team to watch this season.
https://twitter.com/HaalandWatch/status/1566377496051740672?t=mcG8KM_PDbJnsYpeGQherg&s=19
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I made the mistake of taking my nine year old to watch PNE play Birmingham, and the wankers went and won. Only caught the game today, but was a much better performance.
All any of us want is for Gerrard to turn it around, but I confess I had given up on him. Lets hope we pick that form up and win the next couple of games now.
Leicester look abject, have to get 3 points there.
We were so close to doing this too! (Husband being PNE). Beforehand it seemed a no brainer that even Preston Nil would be more fun than watching Villa get slaughtered! (With less travel)
Luckily our wish to see my mum and the grandchildren in Brum swayed it. We were saying how pissed off we would have been if we had made the other choice!
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I made the mistake of taking my nine year old to watch PNE play Birmingham
Why?
I live near Preston, mate lent me his season ticket. Obviously was supporting PNE not Blues!
Ah fair enough.
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Souness and to a lesser extent Dion Dublin didn't half spout some nonsense after yesterday's game. To listen to them, one would have thought that the reason we'd not got results in previous games was that we'd been striving to play perfect expansive football, and not because we'd lacked clear purpose and organisation, and had players out of form starting games.
Agreed, a very lazy narrative. Then the other one, "Villa Park is a very difficult place to play", "the fans won't support this football against other teams" etc.
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I rarely miss a home game but had to forego this one. Should have been going with a mate who has had health up and downs for a couple of years and has missed out on live sport. He has no particular allegiance but certainly a soft spot for Villa, who are followed by one of his sons.
Anyway I saw the match through his eyes via ongoing messages from the game. The atmosphere building up to the game, the splendour of Villa Park, the fascination with our (ultimately fruitful) tactics, the drama of Bailey's equaliser, the backing from the crowd.
It reminded me never to take these things for granted.
Utv
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It got a bit lively in my section immediately behind the away dugout.
Last season there was a tarped off row of seats but we're now back to there being no segregation between us and the away support staff.
After the Man City goal, one of their support staff turned round and started celebrating towards the crowd behind him.
Of course, he was responded to as expected
After the equaliser, he turned again, said something and was gestured at.
The Man City bouncer-type bloke then started joining in as well. They would not sit down as the game was about to restart.
Eventually a couple of our stewards arrived. The most irate supporter was (probably rightly) escorted out of the seats but the Man City people were not even spoken to.
When other supporters tried to point out that the whole thing had been instigated by a member of the Man City support staff, the steward made a hand sign suggesting that those complaining would have their seat numbers noted.
It's not exactly a very vocal area where I sit, certainly no singing/chanting (which is one of the reasons I like it there), so it takes a lot to set people off.
The Man City support staff and their minder were well out of order.
A return to at least one row of tarped off seats is needed
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Whilst thinking about cordoned off areas, there's one section of the central gents toilet in the LTR that's been covered with plastic and warning tape all season.
Added to the faulty taps, it doesn't look there was any pre-season inspection or maintenance done
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Bit more context on that incident - I spoke to a steward at the end of the game and they said the problems with the away staff sitting there has been reported to the club and that it needs to change.
The Villa fan was relocated after the incident not ejected, but he tapped the man city guy on the shoulder after our equaliser.
It's just too inflammatory, particularly when the away staff give it the "bug un" to the fans sat behind them.
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Thanks for the update LV. I was hoping that the bloke wasn't kicked out completely.
I didn't see the shoulder-tap. That is obviously wrong, but the kind of thing that's avoidable with a better layout.
I'm sure a few more fruity things were yelled at the Man City support staff bloke, but the worst I heard was "What do you do ? Do you make the tea?" :)
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Yep same from our side - there was something "hilarious" about him being a deliveroo driver because of the big insulated ruck-sack type thing he had on his back.
But even a should-tap isn't the end of the world - the guy was right sat in the row directly in front of him - so a tap and a bit of banter isn't terrible.
But for all involved they shouldn't be sat there.
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I sat behind the dugouts for a couple of seasons in the old stand, when Big Ron was in charge, the opposition got some stick but it was usually taken well. Remember Bruce Grobbelaar getting tremendous stick over his moustache from a few lads in that 4-2 humping on Deano's home debut.
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Dermot Gallagher on 'Ref Watch', has just said the ref was right to whistle, as Coutinho came back to get the ball, what a load of horlicks, it was in the same phase of play.
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So why has the ref apologised then?
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Dermot Gallagher on 'Ref Watch', has just said the ref was right to whistle, as Coutinho came back to get the ball, what a load of horlicks, it was in the same phase of play.
He couldn't be more wrong if he'd just stepped off a spaceship having never seen a human let alone a football match. And he earned a (very good) living doing this.
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And isn't Dermot Gallagher one of us or was that a lazy old myth?
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And isn't Dermot Gallagher one of us or was that a lazy old myth?
Andre Marriner certainly is, not this guy? I don’t think
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Can anyone recall Dermot Gallagher ever refereeing one of our games either home or away? If not then that will give an indication as to his leanings.
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And isn't Dermot Gallagher one of us or was that a lazy old myth?
He's Irish anyway, speaks in two very different dialects depending on his audience 😃
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That’s why they’ve been told to keep the flag down and let VAR decide. The issue wasn’t the fact he got it wrong and he was onside but the fact he raised the flag before that phase of play was over.
He didn’t do that in the first half.
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I don't think I've ever seen Dermot Gallagher disagree with a referee. His opinion is completely worthless, it's like asking the editor of the Daily Express to provide a nuanced viewpoint on the merits, or otherwise, of Brexit.
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My interpretation of what Gallagher said was because the lino has indicated he was offside once he had collected the ball and come back "onside" he would be active and the referee had no choice but to blow the whistle. Of course just like at Palace if the initial decision was wrong that prevents VAR helping out. He agreed that the linesman had made a glaring mistake but defended the ref because of the above
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Massively improved performance -couldn't believe how good Ollie was, bringing others into the play.
To put it mildly, I didn't expect to see Aslhey play that well when he came on!