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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: cdbearsfan on August 25, 2022, 08:40:29 PM
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Sunday 28th August, 2pm.
Villa 13/10, Draw 12/5, West Ham 21/10.
Here you go, F-V. Can we have a home win, please.
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1-2 Mcginn
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Pressure is on if we lose and I can see last week performance wanting to be improved upon. We did well with a win and gain some confidence versus Bolton.
Would be nice for a clean sheet against a team that hasn't even score a goal this season. So let's say we get a win.
2-0.
Considering we don't seem to draw many games.
And I'm confident SG will field the select horses for this course:
Martinez
Cash, Chambers, Mings, Digne
Ramsey, Kamara, McGinn,
Bailey, Watkins, Coutinho
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They'll bully our midfield and no one hands out gifts to teams in need as frequently as the Villa. 1-3 defeat.
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3-0 with Cam coming off the bench to score the third with Villa Park rocking in the sunshine. 8)
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West Ham are bottom of the league lost all matches.
They haven't scored a goal
They have little turnaround time from playing in Denmark.
They are struggling to find right balance of new players and last seasons ones.
They lost to promoted Nottingham Forest away 1-0 so I think Villa can beat them with crowd behind us.
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"Are you a football team, or a football player, with a conspicuous problem with scoring goals? If so, Villa Park offers a number of attractive packages to get you back firing again without any resistance at all! Come to Villa Park at your earliest opportunity. We're just off the M6. You won't regret it!"
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A difficult fixture for Villa! Gerrard vs Moyes.
McGinn and Ramsey continuing in midfield would be a worry, as would Cash and Digne pretending to be wingers.
A loss, with likely losses in the following 2 games will place pressure on our manager, so he needs a win.
Despite whu's poor early season form, if our team selection is off the mark, I can see us losing this one.
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"Are you a football team, or a football player, with a conspicuous problem with scoring goals? If so, Villa Park offers a number of attractive packages to get you back firing again without any resistance at all! Come to Villa Park at your earliest opportunity. We're just off the M6. You won't regret it!"
As it always seems to have been thus.
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West Ham are bottom of the league lost all matches.
They haven't scored a goal
They have little turnaround time from playing in Denmark.
They are struggling to find right balance of new players and last seasons ones.
They lost to promoted Nottingham Forest away 1-0 so I think Villa can beat them with crowd behind us.
They've been 600 miles across the North Sea, it's not like they've been to Azerbaijan.
It's barely more than Southampton playing Newcastle mid week.
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Travelling is knackering.
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Martinez
Cash Chambers Mings Digne
Buendia Luiz Kamara Ramsey
Coutinho (roaming)
Ings
Be brave Stevie G. McGinn, Watkins currently don't deserve a first team spot and gives protection for our full backs to attack.
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If ever there was a dead cert with gambling, it's this one. Away win nailed on I'm afraid.
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This is a big one for SG for all sorts of reasons.
If he puts the right team out we can beat them but it is a big IF.
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My team;
Martinez
Cash
Chambers
Mings
Digne
Kamara
Luiz
Coutinho
Buendia
Ings
Watkins
I think a 4222, with the double box pressing aggressively is what's required. Looking at West Ham against Man City and Brighton, having their midfield forced narrow created a few problems. (1) it created passing lanes and space for the full backs to attack (2) it made them susceptible to the switch (3) it saw their double pivot was overran with numbers on a regular basis.
We have to do the basics better, we have to work incredibly hard and press aggressively as a unit high up the pitch. But with Ings dropping deeper into a false 9, it occupies Rice and a centre half (positionally at least) for Watkins to attack the gap with through balls. This is where Brighton scored their 2nd and Emi and Pip both played some lovely diagonals on Tuesday. If we create space for either, they're both good enough to punish it. Also gives us numbers when attacking wide, as both forwards and 10s can hit the box, with the double pivot higher up. One of the full backs has to be disciplined though.
This is where West Ham have come unstuck, feel this would amplify issues they've faced already so far with problems I dont think Moyes knows how to solve. Not the only way to beat them of course and I doubt we'll see it, but my musings nonetheless.
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Tuesday may have had a more positive effect than many people realise. There was a real danger that we'd go into Sunday's game flat on the floor. As it is we still have issues, so do they but we're not as bad as everyone makes out, far from decent either but we're OK at home. Nothing more than a draw having scored first and more furrowed brows, not least the Manager.
1-1
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My team;
Martinez
Cash
Chambers
Mings
Digne
Kamara
Luiz
Coutinho
Buendia
Ings
Watkins
I think a 4222, with the double box pressing aggressively is what's required. Looking at West Ham against Man City and Brighton, having their midfield forced narrow created a few problems. (1) it created passing lanes and space for the full backs to attack (2) it made them susceptible to the switch (3) it saw their double pivot was overran with numbers on a regular basis.
We have to do the basics better, we have to work incredibly hard and press aggressively as a unit high up the pitch. But with Ings dropping deeper into a false 9, it occupies Rice and a centre half (positionally at least) for Watkins to attack the gap with through balls. This is where Brighton scored their 2nd and Emi and Pip both played some lovely diagonals on Tuesday. If we create space for either, they're both good enough to punish it. Also gives us numbers when attacking wide, as both forwards and 10s can hit the box, with the double pivot higher up. One of the full backs has to be disciplined though.
This is where West Ham have come unstuck, feel this would amplify issues they've faced already so far with problems I dont think Moyes knows how to solve. Not the only way to beat them of course and I doubt we'll see it, but my musings nonetheless.
I like this team.
Although I’m not sure he’ll take McGinn out of the firing line, but he needs to.
And your right travelling is knackering, I’m still tired from coming back from Bolton!
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That team is the way. Targett in for Digne.
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0-2.
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Ooh! A double box AND a double pivot! Is that something to do with ice-skating?
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Nailed on defeat. They will bully us around, score from set pieces, and hasten the end of this nightmare
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0-0 or 1-0 to them.
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We’re Villa and we’ll do what Villa always seem to do for any team on a bad run of results. Our midfield will look non-existent, our forward line won’t have any service, and the back four will struggle to clear the lines and relieve the pressure with possession lost time after time in midfield. The first of 3 straight defeats in the league for us…obviously I’m feeling very negative at the moment but hope I’m very very very wrong.
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1-1. If we're lucky.
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1 - 1 hopefully we will defend well from corners / free kicks
Noticed that Rice did not play last night for West Ham - hopefully he will be out injured, last season he ran the show for them down at Villa Park.
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They are a big team. We have struggled on set pieces all season. I am expecting the worst.
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Read elsewhere that Emi Martinez has injured is hand in training - hopefully a load of rubbish
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They have been and are the team we match up most poorly against (except the top 2 obvs.) They expose everything that is weak about us.
2-0 Villa Watkins and Buendia.
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Game will be won and lost in the midfield, for all the stick Soucek seems to be getting from their fans him and Rice together will overpower our midfield most likely. Unlikely McGinn gets dropped so hopefully they are working to calm him down - we need him as involved in play as he was on Tuesday night but he actually needs to pass to a Villa shirt not just smash it 20 yards long constantly.
Martinez
Cash Chambers Mings Digne
Kamara Luiz Ramsey
Buendia McGinn
Watkins
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Will be a tight game but I'm backing us to just edge a 3-2 win.
It will be fun in the sun with a couple for Ings and one for Buendia.
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There's a lot of unease about this game on here and I totally get why.
With the fixtures we have coming up over the next couple of weeks we absolutely cannot afford to lose this one.
I think we will though.
1-2
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West Ham have not scored a goal in the league this season, lost all 3 games and have taken 0.01 more points per game than us in 2022.
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West Ham have not scored a goal in the league this season, lost all 3 games and have taken 0.01 more points per game than us in 2022.
So are you plumping for a win then?
I hope you are right.
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West Ham are more street-wise and physical than us. We need to toughen up. Rice and Soucek will have a pretty easy afternoon.
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Read elsewhere that Emi Martinez has injured is hand in training - hopefully a load of rubbish
But let’s remember the Villa rumour rule. If it’s a good rumour, then it’s a load of bollocks. If it’s the hint of bad news, then it’s not just true, but a 1000 times worse than imaged.
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I’m going 2-2 this game as I’m a optimist. Watkins and Bailey.
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1 - 1 hopefully we will defend well from corners / free kicks
Noticed that Rice did not play last night for West Ham - hopefully he will be out injured, last season he ran the show for them down at Villa Park.
Looks like they rested a lot of players last night so I wouldn’t read too much into Rice not playing.
It’s a winnable game if the players show some belief and courage in possession and stop the habit of gifting goals to the opposition.
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Im bringing my lad (6) with me which will be his first ever Villa game. Im hoping its a magical day for him more than anything else. My fear is it going sour. For love of god Villa please win a f**king game by ANY means
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Im bringing my lad (6) with me which will be his first ever Villa game. Im hoping its a magical day for him more than anything else. My fear is it going sour. For love of god Villa please win a f**king game by ANY means
Hope we win for him and he loves it otherwise it could be a tough introduction if things go badly and the crowd turns.
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Im bringing my lad (6) with me which will be his first ever Villa game. Im hoping its a magical day for him more than anything else. My fear is it going sour. For love of god Villa please win a f**king game by ANY means
Hope we win for him and he loves it otherwise it could be a tough introduction if things go badly and the crowd turns.
That's exactly my fear. I'm trying to manage his expectations over next 48 hours lol
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Greetings Villains. Another Claret & Blue derby is upon us, but this one sees neither team looking in particularly great form. West Ham three straight losses in the league and zero goals. A far cry from the team that was lighting up the league and prompting premature talk of a title challenge a little under a year ago, yet the personel playing now are pretty much identical to the ones we had back then. Indeed Moyes has signed several new players, but insists on "easing them in" and waiting until they're "up to speed" with how West Ham play (which at the moment seems to be not great) much to the consternation of many hammers fans.
The primary issue seems to be that West Ham are a victim of their own moderate success. No longers are we a side that teams will look at as three points to be grabbed by attacking and playing the way you want to play. Everyone adapts their game to nullify ours. It's certainly a compliment, and even Man City did it opening day, playing the "inverted full backs" that tucked into midfield and smothered the space, snuffing out counter attacks before they could be started.
The trouble is, Moyes changes tact like an oil tanker doing a handbrake turn. Our line up and general play is very predictable. Work the ball side to side across the back, push down the wings and look for an overload to get a cross in, which inevitably will be floated to where the keeper can get some catching practise. Our counter attacking has again been worked out (for about 9 months now) by putting a big centre back on Antonio and not giving him the space to bring the ball down or turn, which inevitably leads to the ball bouncing off of him or him falling on the floor flapping his arms about.
The other issue is centre midfield, somewhere that other teams think is a strength. The problem is Rice and Soucek have stopped both sitting and acting as a double pivot. Rice seems to think he is an all action superstar in the Stevie G mould, bounding into the box and scoring pearlers. Indeed he's still trying to take penalties too. Soucek has also been bounding forward a lot - which is of course a strength of his - and looks like an auxiliary striker more than a DM. All this leaves holes for other teams to exploit in the middle, like Brighton did with impunity last week. We need a third man in there, linking play and pulling the strings. Lanzini has done this to an extent in the past, but honestly the game has been passing him by match after match for months. Fornals maybe could do it, but Moyes keeps playing him on the wing.
I'm maybe being a bit harsh. We had a long and exhausting season last year with a short break and short pre-season (especially for those players on international duty in June for those 4 pointless friendlies - sorry really important Nations League games). Add to that injuries to every centre back we had meant we weren't quite ready at the start of the season, but then in the Premier League there are no gimme games. If you're not 100% you're going to get beat.
Anyway, as to Villa. On the outside looking in, aside from that initial lift after Gerrard joined and you won a few on the bounce when Coutinho came in, I can't really see how you've changed as a team much from when Dean Smith was in charge. It looked like you were about to make a wash of signings, change how you played and push on, but that hasn't materialised. Worse, the area you appeared weakest when we last met - central midfield - is still the same. Still, Ings looks like he is staying fit and finding a bit of form, and sometimes all it needs it one in form striker nicking some goals to get the wins that gives the whole team a lift and turns things around.
It's hard to predict a result. If Moyes sticks to his usual 4-2-3-1 formation with the same predictable style and players from last season I can see West Ham sinking again. Last night he went with a 3-4-3 vs Viborg now that we've got some defenders back, and I suspect this is how he will want to line up. Get numbers into the middle of the park, smother Villa's play and look to dominate the match, something West Ham do not do enough of of late. I only hope Moyes is brave enough to stick Scamacca in from the start instead of Antonio, as the big lad looks like he knows where the goal is, whereas Antonio only seems to know how to miss sitters.
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^^ Quick, hide the insults before he goes back to his proper friends!
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^^ Quick, hide the insults before he goes back to his proper friends!
I was just wondering which of his two faces he said all that out of.
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Should be the perfect time to play West ham just after a Thursday night away trip for them having a poor start to the season in the League.
In reality we will be their spring board to start the season,I'm quite a positive person and I hate being so negative about the Villa. I want to be walking to the ground in a jubilant mood seeing the Holte end which always gets my neck tingling however many times I see it and I think right lets have it were going to give you a spanking today.
I just don't see Gerrard being about to out think/play any Manger in the the current League apart from Lampard.
The plus side at least my Saturday wont be ruined just my Bank Holiday.
Come on Villa prove me wrong!
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Im bringing my lad (6) with me which will be his first ever Villa game. Im hoping its a magical day for him more than anything else. My fear is it going sour. For love of god Villa please win a f**king game by ANY means
Hope we win for him and he loves it otherwise it could be a tough introduction if things go badly and the crowd turns.
That's exactly my fear. I'm trying to manage his expectations over next 48 hours lol
My 12 year old lads first game was in March 2015 on his 5th birthday. Played Swansea at home, dreadful game and we lost 0-1 to a last minute goal, another scrape to safety that season, before inevitable relegation the next season.
Despite all of that, he was addicted from the minute he went to the match and is more than addicted to this day, e.g. nagging me to drag him to Bolton and back on Tuesday.
Obviously we want to win tomorrow and definitely don’t want to lose and seeing booing etc, but i bet whatever happens your lad will love it and get the bug for life.
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^^ Quick, hide the insults before he goes back to his proper friends!
I was just wondering which of his two faces he said all that out of.
:)
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We cannot play with a 3 in midfield, especially against West Ham. They will bully us in there as they did last season. Our fullbacks will have to play like fullbacks and not wingers and we’ll have to have a central 3 in midfield with 2 proper wide men and 1 up front to have any chance.
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We cannot play with a 3 in midfield, especially against West Ham. They will bully us in there as they did last season. Our fullbacks will have to play like fullbacks and not wingers and we’ll have to have a central 3 in midfield with 2 proper wide men and 1 up front to have any chance.
But I bet you he does. Probably his diamond with full backs pushed on and Phil in behind Ings and Watkins.
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3-0 with Cam coming off the bench to score the third with Villa Park rocking in the sunshine. 8)
Lovely thought. Would love to see this scenario.
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^^ Quick, hide the insults before he goes back to his proper friends!
I was just wondering which of his two faces he said all that out of.
??? I'm not sure where I've led people to believe I'm a Villa fan. I thought my username was clear enough on that.
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From what has been described, we've the perfect players to win. However, our system would do exactly the opposite.
Who knows what will happen.
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Greetings Villains. Another Claret & Blue derby is upon us, but this one sees neither team looking in particularly great form. West Ham three straight losses in the league and zero goals. A far cry from the team that was lighting up the league and prompting premature talk of a title challenge a little under a year ago, yet the personel playing now are pretty much identical to the ones we had back then. Indeed Moyes has signed several new players, but insists on "easing them in" and waiting until they're "up to speed" with how West Ham play (which at the moment seems to be not great) much to the consternation of many hammers fans.
The primary issue seems to be that West Ham are a victim of their own moderate success. No longers are we a side that teams will look at as three points to be grabbed by attacking and playing the way you want to play. Everyone adapts their game to nullify ours. It's certainly a compliment, and even Man City did it opening day, playing the "inverted full backs" that tucked into midfield and smothered the space, snuffing out counter attacks before they could be started.
The trouble is, Moyes changes tact like an oil tanker doing a handbrake turn. Our line up and general play is very predictable. Work the ball side to side across the back, push down the wings and look for an overload to get a cross in, which inevitably will be floated to where the keeper can get some catching practise. Our counter attacking has again been worked out (for about 9 months now) by putting a big centre back on Antonio and not giving him the space to bring the ball down or turn, which inevitably leads to the ball bouncing off of him or him falling on the floor flapping his arms about.
The other issue is centre midfield, somewhere that other teams think is a strength. The problem is Rice and Soucek have stopped both sitting and acting as a double pivot. Rice seems to think he is an all action superstar in the Steven G mould, bounding into the box and scoring pearlers. Indeed he's still trying to take penalties too. Soucek has also been bounding forward a lot - which is of course a strength of his - and looks like an auxiliary striker more than a DM. All this leaves holes for other teams to exploit in the middle, like Brighton did with impunity last week. We need a third man in there, linking play and pulling the strings. Lanzini has done this to an extent in the past, but honestly the game has been passing him by match after match for months. Fornals maybe could do it, but Moyes keeps playing him on the wing.
I'm maybe being a bit harsh. We had a long and exhausting season last year with a short break and short pre-season (especially for those players on international duty in June for those 4 pointless friendlies - sorry really important Nations League games). Add to that injuries to every centre back we had meant we weren't quite ready at the start of the season, but then in the Premier League there are no gimme games. If you're not 100% you're going to get beat.
Anyway, as to Villa. On the outside looking in, aside from that initial lift after Gerrard joined and you won a few on the bounce when Coutinho came in, I can't really see how you've changed as a team much from when Dean Smith was in charge. It looked like you were about to make a wash of signings, change how you played and push on, but that hasn't materialised. Worse, the area you appeared weakest when we last met - central midfield - is still the same. Still, Ings looks like he is staying fit and finding a bit of form, and sometimes all it needs it one in form striker nicking some goals to get the wins that gives the whole team a lift and turns things around.
It's hard to predict a result. If Moyes sticks to his usual 4-2-3-1 formation with the same predictable style and players from last season I can see West Ham sinking again. Last night he went with a 3-4-3 vs Viborg now that we've got some defenders back, and I suspect this is how he will want to line up. Get numbers into the middle of the park, smother Villa's play and look to dominate the match, something West Ham do not do enough of of late. I only hope Moyes is brave enough to stick Scamacca in from the start instead of Antonio, as the big lad looks like he knows where the goal is, whereas Antonio only seems to know how to miss sitters.
Hiya Sendo, help you're well. This should be a good game with two teams who both urgently need a win. Our record against you lot since we came back up is pretty abysmal, so hoping that changes this weekend. We've been dire against Bournemouth and Palace, but did OK at home against Everton. A straightforward 2-0 win for us I think.
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Sendo has explained his past actions, and in fairness I'd expect him to slag-off every team under the sun apart from WHAM on Knees Up Mother Brown. He gives good content on here. I'm in favour of his loan spell being extended.
We've lost decent Newcastle and Stoke visitors along the way, the Cardiff chap is always very polite etc. And it's always interesting to get an opposition viewpoint if they are respectfu on here.
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Sendo has explained his past actions,
Don't think he did.
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a clean sheet please Villa
UTV
The Doc
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We’re losing this by a few goals.
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We’re losing this by a few goals.
*checks West Ham's 'goals for' column*
Hmmmm
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Rice is a cracking player but we made him look like Lothar Matthaus last time. If Kamara can deal with him we've got a chance. I'll go 2-1 to us but not at all confident. Mings and Watkins to score.
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I think we'll go
Martinez
Cash Chambers Mings Digne
Kamara
Luiz. McGinn
Bailey. Watkins. Coutinho
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Sendo reckons this one's hard to predict. It isn't
West Ham will win comfortably.
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Sendo reckons this one's hard to predict. It isn't
West Ham will win comfortably.
Yep. They will completely dominate the midfield. Our entire game plan will be allowing them to have 70% possession by pumping long balls up the wing for them to recover and attack us time and again.
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We'll lose, and we will lose more than most until we finally stop conceding the entire midfield week in, week out
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We’re losing this by a few goals.
*checks West Ham's 'goals for' column*
Hmmmm
You’ve seen us play right
We’re losing this by at least 2 goals.
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Sendo has explained his past actions, and in fairness I'd expect him to slag-off every team under the sun apart from WHAM on Knees Up Mother Brown. He gives good content on here. I'm in favour of his loan spell being extended.
We've lost decent Newcastle and Stoke visitors along the way, the Cardiff chap is always very polite etc. And it's always interesting to get an opposition viewpoint if they are respectfu on here.
You're happy with someone calling us a cringey, cheating, shithouse of a club and being gutted that his team didn't relegate us? Top bantz, that.
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Initially I thought it was cheeky/rude of him but it made me realise that the tribal nature of football and supporters/men giving strong opinions to impress each other lends itself well to that sort of easily-said/written stuff. Plus, if we all earwigged on what acquaintances say about us when we're not there in "real-life", we'd probably stay sensitive forever.
His posts on here are generally of interest, respectful and he has a good understanding of football.
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Initially I thought it was cheeky/rude of him but it made me realise that the tribal nature of football and supporters/men giving strong opinions to impress each other lends itself well to that sort of easily-said/written stuff. Plus, if we all earwigged on what acquaintances say about us when we're not there in "real-life", we'd probably stay sensitive forever.
His posts on here are generally of interest, respectful and he has a good understanding of football.
Well said.
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A cringey, cheating, shithouse of a club. That's what he really thinks of us. That's his understanding of football.
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It feels ridiculous to have this much riding on a game and we're still in August, but the reality is, if we don't take something from this game, with Arsenal and Man City over the following 6 days, we could be in the relegation places next weekend after 6 games.
Unfortunately, I feel this result will be determined as much by which West Ham team turns up as which Villa side. If their midfield turns and plays well, we're in trouble. But if we can get an early-ish goal, I think we'll win comfortably.
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I voted in the poll for a draw, only because i can't stand betting against my own team.
But in reality i know we won't win, so the best i can muster is us somehow getting a draw.
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With what we have at the moment would Chambers work in midfield? Perhaps sitting alongside Kamara protecting the back 4. He’s played there before and didn’t do a bad job and at least that would allow our many attacking options to go and play.
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You're happy with someone calling us a cringey, cheating, shithouse of a club and being gutted that his team didn't relegate us? Top bantz, that.
The "cheating" was mostly linked to Grealish falling over every five minutes - I was hardly alone in the world of football of criticising that at the time - and I stand firmly by being gutted we didn't relegate you. It was a great opportunity to set back a rival. It was Bournemouth who went down in your place, who will never be a proper rival to West Ham for challenging the top places, whereas Villa very much could (and tbh should) be up in that group, and I'm surprised you've not made a better fist of it in all honesty.
If I remember rightly, what I said was cringe is calling us "kit stealers", which I've always seen as on a similar level as people calling us Wet Spam or us calling Spurs "Spuds" or Man Utd "Manure" and so on. Maybe I was overly harsh there.
I'm still surprised by how much you continue to be offended by this tbh. I've said far, far worse things about West Ham.
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sensitive bunch on here at times :)
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You can say what you like now mate, but it was a right snidey hatchet job from where I sit, it wasn't a few mild digs. You'd always been civil on here and afforded plenty of respect, so I was quite surprised.
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If you go on other football fans forums, you show respect,if you wish to talk sensibly about football I will gladly listen,I can go to my local pub and listen to a Birmingham fan talking crap
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And the only reason I want West Ham religated,is because of Sullivan and Brady
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I’m thinking 1-1 don’t care who scores I’d go for a Villa win but every time I do, we don’t so I’m hoping that I’m wrong this time!!
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This is a big one for SG for all sorts of reasons.
If he puts the right team out we can beat them but it is a big IF.
It’s not just the right team. It’s the right formation, tactics and game management. He needs to change everything.
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This is a big one for SG for all sorts of reasons.
If he puts the right team out we can beat them but it is a big IF.
It’s not just the right team. It’s the right formation, tactics and game management. He needs to change everything.
Completely agree.
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Based on nothing, I think we'll randomly have an absolute belter of a game, win 2-0, Watkins and Bailey.
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I’m going for this result, as well!
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And the only reason I want West Ham religated,is because of Sullivan and Brady
It looks likely that they’ll be gone within a year and Kretinsky will be taking over, so we might not need to go down for you to get your wish.
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It looks likely that they’ll be gone within a year and Kretinsky will be taking over, so we might not need to go down for you to get your wish.
The jokes will write themselves, won't they?
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The Noses are still convinced Sullivan and Brady will end up back at the sty.
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The Noses are still convinced Sullivan and Brady will end up back at the sty.
I reckon they'll go back as they only did half the job last time. Two of the stands are still functional.
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And the only reason I want West Ham religated,is because of Sullivan and Brady
It looks likely that they’ll be gone within a year and Kretinsky will be taking over, so we might not need to go down for you to get your wish.
I can put the Voodoo dolls away then
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You're happy with someone calling us a cringey, cheating, shithouse of a club and being gutted that his team didn't relegate us? Top bantz, that.
The "cheating" was mostly linked to Grealish falling over every five minutes - I was hardly alone in the world of football of criticising that at the time - and I stand firmly by being gutted we didn't relegate you. It was a great opportunity to set back a rival. It was Bournemouth who went down in your place, who will never be a proper rival to West Ham for challenging the top places, whereas Villa very much could (and tbh should) be up in that group, and I'm surprised you've not made a better fist of it in all honesty.
If I remember rightly, what I said was cringe is calling us "kit stealers", which I've always seen as on a similar level as people calling us Wet Spam or us calling Spurs "Spuds" or Man Utd "Manure" and so on. Maybe I was overly harsh there.
I'm still surprised by how much you continue to be offended by this tbh. I've said far, far worse things about West Ham.
I couldn't care less what you say about anyone else. I care when you slag my club then come on here acting like butter wouldn't melt.
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We won’t lose. Whether we will win I don’t know.
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You're happy with someone calling us a cringey, cheating, shithouse of a club and being gutted that his team didn't relegate us? Top bantz, that.
The "cheating" was mostly linked to Grealish falling over every five minutes - I was hardly alone in the world of football of criticising that at the time - and I stand firmly by being gutted we didn't relegate you. It was a great opportunity to set back a rival. It was Bournemouth who went down in your place, who will never be a proper rival to West Ham for challenging the top places, whereas Villa very much could (and tbh should) be up in that group, and I'm surprised you've not made a better fist of it in all honesty.
If I remember rightly, what I said was cringe is calling us "kit stealers", which I've always seen as on a similar level as people calling us Wet Spam or us calling Spurs "Spuds" or Man Utd "Manure" and so on. Maybe I was overly harsh there.
I'm still surprised by how much you continue to be offended by this tbh. I've said far, far worse things about West Ham.
Why are you guys offended by "kit stealers" comment? Surely you must know it's a humorous retort to many a things said about us. I like the fact that you're claret and blue as it's a huge compliment to us and honestly no one suggests seriously that you "stole our kit".
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They stole our kit.
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What's our team, guys? I wouldn't be surprised if Young retains his spot. Luiz will start. I think he will try Ings and Watkins again.
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Greetings Villains. Another Claret & Blue derby is upon us, but this one sees neither team looking in particularly great form. West Ham three straight losses in the league and zero goals. A far cry from the team that was lighting up the league and prompting premature talk of a title challenge a little under a year ago, yet the personel playing now are pretty much identical to the ones we had back then. Indeed Moyes has signed several new players, but insists on "easing them in" and waiting until they're "up to speed" with how West Ham play (which at the moment seems to be not great) much to the consternation of many hammers fans.
The primary issue seems to be that West Ham are a victim of their own moderate success. No longers are we a side that teams will look at as three points to be grabbed by attacking and playing the way you want to play. Everyone adapts their game to nullify ours. It's certainly a compliment, and even Man City did it opening day, playing the "inverted full backs" that tucked into midfield and smothered the space, snuffing out counter attacks before they could be started.
The trouble is, Moyes changes tact like an oil tanker doing a handbrake turn. Our line up and general play is very predictable. Work the ball side to side across the back, push down the wings and look for an overload to get a cross in, which inevitably will be floated to where the keeper can get some catching practise. Our counter attacking has again been worked out (for about 9 months now) by putting a big centre back on Antonio and not giving him the space to bring the ball down or turn, which inevitably leads to the ball bouncing off of him or him falling on the floor flapping his arms about.
The other issue is centre midfield, somewhere that other teams think is a strength. The problem is Rice and Soucek have stopped both sitting and acting as a double pivot. Rice seems to think he is an all action superstar in the Steven G mould, bounding into the box and scoring pearlers. Indeed he's still trying to take penalties too. Soucek has also been bounding forward a lot - which is of course a strength of his - and looks like an auxiliary striker more than a DM. All this leaves holes for other teams to exploit in the middle, like Brighton did with impunity last week. We need a third man in there, linking play and pulling the strings. Lanzini has done this to an extent in the past, but honestly the game has been passing him by match after match for months. Fornals maybe could do it, but Moyes keeps playing him on the wing.
I'm maybe being a bit harsh. We had a long and exhausting season last year with a short break and short pre-season (especially for those players on international duty in June for those 4 pointless friendlies - sorry really important Nations League games). Add to that injuries to every centre back we had meant we weren't quite ready at the start of the season, but then in the Premier League there are no gimme games. If you're not 100% you're going to get beat.
Anyway, as to Villa. On the outside looking in, aside from that initial lift after Gerrard joined and you won a few on the bounce when Coutinho came in, I can't really see how you've changed as a team much from when Dean Smith was in charge. It looked like you were about to make a wash of signings, change how you played and push on, but that hasn't materialised. Worse, the area you appeared weakest when we last met - central midfield - is still the same. Still, Ings looks like he is staying fit and finding a bit of form, and sometimes all it needs it one in form striker nicking some goals to get the wins that gives the whole team a lift and turns things around.
It's hard to predict a result. If Moyes sticks to his usual 4-2-3-1 formation with the same predictable style and players from last season I can see West Ham sinking again. Last night he went with a 3-4-3 vs Viborg now that we've got some defenders back, and I suspect this is how he will want to line up. Get numbers into the middle of the park, smother Villa's play and look to dominate the match, something West Ham do not do enough of of late. I only hope Moyes is brave enough to stick Scamacca in from the start instead of Antonio, as the big lad looks like he knows where the goal is, whereas Antonio only seems to know how to miss sitters.
The Man City bit… they always play like that. I laughed at Moyes when he mentioned it after the game… it was like you hadn’t had anyone watch them before. And yet here you are, making the same dumb mistake.
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Initially I thought it was cheeky/rude of him but it made me realise that the tribal nature of football and supporters/men giving strong opinions to impress each other lends itself well to that sort of easily-said/written stuff. Plus, if we all earwigged on what acquaintances say about us when we're not there in "real-life", we'd probably stay sensitive forever.
His posts on here are generally of interest, respectful and he has a good understanding of football.
He thinks Man City pushing their full-backs into midfield was a tactic Pep suddenly came up with to nullify West Ham. I stopped reading after that.
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Seriously, who gives a shit about West Ham It says more about our failings than their success. Nothing Sendo says offends me other than how an half arsed club like West Ham can begin to think they're in the same league as us.
Every day we contine to have an half arsed Manager they'll continue to celebrate every victory against us as a giant killing. Fifth best team in London, I could care more.
If Sendo has any sense he'll be adding to his but plug collection. Cheaper no doubt and far less embarrassing than been seen in West Ham's current shirt
That said, there was a time I used to respect West Ham. That day has long passed . Cockney wankers? If the cap fits..
Oh and KUMB is a great forum but it is been taken over with twats .
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Based on nothing, I think we'll randomly have an absolute belter of a game, win 2-0, Watkins and Bailey.
Me too. Not based on anything I know about West Ham (which is fuck all, to be honest) but we need a result and a performance and I reckon we'll get one.
4-1 to us.
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Seriously, who gives a shit about West Ham It says more about our failings than their success. Nothing Sendo says offends me other than how an half arsed club like West Ham can begin to think they're in the same league as us.
Every day we contine to have an half arsed Manager they'll continue to celebrate every victory against us as a giant killing. Fifth best team in London, I could care more.
If Sendo has any sense he'll be adding to his but plug collection. Cheaper no doubt and far less embarrassing than been seen in West Ham's current shirt
That said, there was a time I used to respect West Ham. That day has long passed . Cockney wankers? If the cap fits..
Oh and KUMB is a great forum but it is been taken over with twats .
Blimey, calm down Rudy!
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Calm down? I was being polite.
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Come on Rory, they're the West Brom of London. I generally like their fans as they go back beyond the PL but now they all sound like Spurs fans. Plus their ground is shite.
Sad thing is they know it.
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Come on Rory, they're the West Brom of London. I generally like their fans as they go back beyond the PL but now they all sound like Spurs fans. Plus their ground is shite.
Sad thing is they know it.
You said 'who gives a shit about West Ham' then wrote five paragraphs. I think you're great, but that's overkill, mate.
Is their Wikipedia page even that long? 'Formed 'n' that. 'Ammers. Only went an' won the fackin World Cup, di'n't we? Fackin Mi'wall. Oioi, free stadium. Be'ave!'
(Look what you've done! I don't even have a problem with West Ham, apart from them being twats.)
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I’ve always found West Ham to be a club trying to be cleverer than their London counterparts and very very only occasionally managing it. They had that season in 98/99 which was a massive achievement for them finishing 5th. Then 2005/06 when they did well in the league after getting up and reaching the FA Cup final. Then the Payet year. Then recently under Moyes. It’s all very much top end of their glass ceiling, with no trophies to speak of. They have the occasional maverick player that provides inspiration. But that’s really it. A club fighting to punch above their weight and very very occasionally doing so. The new stadium is god awful and I think the majority of their supporters would return to Upton Park in a heartbeat.
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Oh and also a club that always seems to have been on the end of favourable decisions from official bodies.
Fielded an ineligible player in the league cup against us in 99 but got a replay rather than getting kicked out of the competition. Yet Bury got kicked out of the FA Cup a couple of years later for doing exactly the same thing.
Got away with having players under 3rd party ownership (Tevez and Maschersano) who helped keep them up in 2006/2007 but rather than a points deduction which might have relegated them, just had to pay a bit of compo to Sheff Utd after they pushed for it.
Who paid for their current stadium again??? What a scam.
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3-1. We will obviously connive to let them take the lead but in spite of Critchley still being preoccupied with his passport application we will have too much for them.
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Initially I thought it was cheeky/rude of him but it made me realise that the tribal nature of football and supporters/men giving strong opinions to impress each other lends itself well to that sort of easily-said/written stuff. Plus, if we all earwigged on what acquaintances say about us when we're not there in "real-life", we'd probably stay sensitive forever.
His posts on here are generally of interest, respectful and he has a good understanding of football.
I agree with eamonn.
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I used to like them, pwopa supporters, ground, kit and some iconic players.
Look at the state of them now two faced fans,shocking kit,horrible stadium, shamefull owners and the football whilst it has bought some success is dreary and one dimensional.
Fuckem.
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Initially I thought it was cheeky/rude of him but it made me realise that the tribal nature of football and supporters/men giving strong opinions to impress each other lends itself well to that sort of easily-said/written stuff. Plus, if we all earwigged on what acquaintances say about us when we're not there in "real-life", we'd probably stay sensitive forever.
His posts on here are generally of interest, respectful and he has a good understanding of football.
I agree with eamonn.
Agreed.
People are entitled to be anti west ham/anti sendo/anti anybody, but some of the stuffs a bit OTT, particularly slating west hams ‘achievements’ given the fact that we’ve won f*ck for 26 years and haven’t had a more than half decent premier league season since 2009-2010.
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Who paid for their current stadium again??? What a scam.
More a reflection of the quality and integrity of the London Mayor of the time ... Bozo who??!!!
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Come on Rory, they're the West Brom of London. I generally like their fans as they go back beyond the PL but now they all sound like Spurs fans. Plus their ground is shite.
Sad thing is they know it.
Somebody's going to have a sore head this morning I reckon! :)
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Come on Rory, they're the West Brom of London. I generally like their fans as they go back beyond the PL but now they all sound like Spurs fans. Plus their ground is shite.
Sad thing is they know it.
That's harsh. On the Baggies.
They're the Birmingham City of London, no trophies, wanker fans, dodgy owners and a shithole stadium.
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This Villa-West Ham pre-match thread has gone a bit dark hasn't it.
Better to let it out I suppose. Cathartic, like.
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Come on Rory, they're the West Brom of London. I generally like their fans as they go back beyond the PL but now they all sound like Spurs fans. Plus their ground is shite.
Sad thing is they know it.
That's harsh. On the Baggies.
They're the Birmingham City of London, no trophies, wanker fans, dodgy owners and a shithole stadium.
Agree with RCF. Millwall are the Birmingham City of London. I don't have any issues with their fans (they got me out of a beating when I was 14 from Arsenal fans). Most WHU fans I know are ok.
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No real issue with West Ham. Decent club, made remarkable only by having the worst excuse for a football stadium I've ever been to, in 30 years. I don't feel like I've ever been to a place, anywhere, where it felt like my soul was being corroded as that ground.
There's some proper shit grounds out there; Man City is a bland corporate vision of what grey men in suits think "footie" looks like. But it's not bad, it just reflects the club its appended to. Barrow was a real non-league lump of concrete to stand on with a shed at the back, but it was brilliant and my favourite away day of last year. Ninian Park had a mens room that was an actual empty room with a gulley that ran around 3 quarters of it and that was it. Loftus Road is a cramped shit hole. Selhurst Park might as we be nestled in the Himalayas for the ease it is to get to. Terrible sight lines, like Goodison. The Smethwick End is woeful to get into, those Stripey twats couldn't organise a crowd to save their lives. The Molineux away end is really poor for atmosphere, I actually wish the deluded fools would redevelop their hovel as they claim they are going to, as we'd get a better end. Springfield Park was a muddy bank, fortunately not for us. Burnden Park had a Supermarket. St James Park in Exeter was open ended tiny rubbish and was only trumped for worse weather when we drew 2-2 at Fratton Park before it had a roof. Still wet now. Roker Park was the coldest place on Earth. The Mannor Ground was a mesh of 8 or 9 different stands. The new ground is so minimalist, they stopped three quarters of the way through. The New Den is an annoying day of waiting around. Filbert Street was a really pokey hive of Villa hating fools. The old Railway End, before they knocked it down and built the Agbonlahor End, literally flooded torrents of piss. Shite hole.
But I'd buy tickets for absolutely every single one of them if it were possible and look forward to going to each game. I'll go to West Ham away this season, as is my solemn duty. But they stand unique in my footballing history as the only ground I really, really don't want to go to, as it is awful beyond compare.
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Burden Park stands out as the worst toilet at any ground, bar possibly the old Wembley, I've been to.
It was more like a piss lido.
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the old Wembley was a dump. I think my trainers from 1996 are still full of piss.
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the old Wembley was a dump. I think my trainers from 1996 are still full of piss.
Pissing in your trainers wasn't a good idea.
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the old Wembley was a dump. I think my trainers from 1996 are still full of piss.
Pissing in your trainers wasn't a good idea.
:)
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What is so bad about their stadium to get such universal disapproval?
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Come on Rory, they're the West Brom of London. I generally like their fans as they go back beyond the PL but now they all sound like Spurs fans. Plus their ground is shite.
Sad thing is they know it.
But...but don't you know don't you flipping know they won the world cup?
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What is so bad about their stadium to get such universal disapproval?
It’s not a football stadium basically
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Ads, you're youngish, how do you remember Exeter, Oxford etc.?
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What is so bad about their stadium to get such universal disapproval?
Where do you start?
It's not designed for football, at all. You're miles from the pitch, and the away fans are sat where the stage goes for music concerts. One half of the fans in the lower bit, then the stage, then the other half are further up.
The atmosphere is shit.
Getting there is OK, as it's a ten minute walk from Stratford station, but afterwards they block off the path around the stadium. The home fans have to put up with a stop/go system, and the away fans are treated to a 40 minute march back to the station around the ring road.
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What is so bad about their stadium to get such universal disapproval?
Where do you start?
It's not designed for football, at all. You're miles from the pitch, and the away fans are sat where the stage goes for music concerts. One half of the fans in the lower bit, then the stage, then the other half are further up.
The atmosphere is shit.
Getting there is OK, as it's a ten minute walk from Stratford station, but afterwards they block off the path around the stadium. The home fans have to put up with a stop/go system, and the away fans are treated to a 40 minute march back to the station around the ring road.
I know it’s the Olympic Games stadium but it looks decent enough for fans from seeing in on the TV.
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I know it’s the Olympic Games stadium but it looks decent enough for fans from seeing in on the TV.
I'm not sure how you can ascertain what it's like for fans from the telly but in any case you're wrong. It's shit.
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What is so bad about their stadium to get such universal disapproval?
Where do you start?
It's not designed for football, at all. You're miles from the pitch, and the away fans are sat where the stage goes for music concerts. One half of the fans in the lower bit, then the stage, then the other half are further up.
The atmosphere is shit.
Getting there is OK, as it's a ten minute walk from Stratford station, but afterwards they block off the path around the stadium. The home fans have to put up with a stop/go system, and the away fans are treated to a 40 minute march back to the station around the ring road.
It is in Leyton Orient territory and should have been given to the local team, not West Ham.
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This thread has got a bit bitter since Sendo turned up. They don't particularly bother me. If the main criticism is that their ground isn't a great place to watch football then I suspect most West Ham fans would agree, though it does mean an extra twenty thousand fans can turn up each week so hardly all bad.
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It’s a shit ground to watch football in. And I’m not sure who I dislike the most - the old school mouthy cockney bigots who follow the club or the posh kids from Essex who take a day out to east London once a fortnight in order to pretend to be cockney bigots.
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I know it’s the Olympic Games stadium but it looks decent enough for fans from seeing in on the TV.
I'm not sure how you can ascertain what it's like for fans from the telly but in any case you're wrong. It's shit.
I didn’t ascertain what it was like from the TV. Just wondering why it got such negativity as it’s tricky to see that from the TV.
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This thread has got a bit bitter since Sendo turned up. They don't particularly bother me. If the main criticism is that their ground isn't a great place to watch football then I suspect most West Ham fans would agree, though it does mean an extra twenty thousand fans can turn up each week so hardly all bad.
It has CD. As I posted earlier I have no issues with them, just hope we can beat them for once.
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It’s a shit ground to watch football in. And I’m not sure who I dislike the most - the old school mouthy cockney bigots who follow the club or the posh kids from Essex who take a day out to east London once a fortnight in order to pretend to be cockney bigots.
You've just described everywhere I grew up Chico. Made me shudder.
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Just back to the pissy feet thing, the male toilets at the old Vetch were also the same as Ads described their Cardiff rivals facilities. I had an old mate from Swansea who wanted to go to the game whilst we were on a Weekender. We all agreed it was a good idea, it was brilliant seeing his face as he strode into the home turnstile whilst the rest of us all carried on to the away end to cheer on Bury !
Back on topic, draw seems most likely. Two average teams serving up an average dull affair. Sorry for those who are going.
(I hope I'm wrong though and it's a season starter for us).
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It's not the clubs ground. They share it with Muse, Green Day and Dina Asher-Smith.
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Ads, you're youngish, how do you remember Exeter, Oxford etc.?
I went to Exeter when we had them in 94. Must have been 7? It was when McGrath didn't play as he'd got on the ale and we had the very first airing of "on the piss". I went to the Mannor Ground a couple of times, just not when the Villa played them.
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It’s a shit ground to watch football in. And I’m not sure who I dislike the most - the old school mouthy cockney bigots who follow the club or the posh kids from Essex who take a day out to east London once a fortnight in order to pretend to be cockney bigots.
You make a good point. When they play Tottenham, they dial their racism up to 11.
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It's not the clubs ground. They share it with Muse, Green Day and Dina Asher-Smith.
Correct Nev, snigger hehe
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What is so bad about their stadium to get such universal disapproval?
Where do you start?
It's not designed for football, at all. You're miles from the pitch, and the away fans are sat where the stage goes for music concerts. One half of the fans in the lower bit, then the stage, then the other half are further up.
The atmosphere is shit.
Getting there is OK, as it's a ten minute walk from Stratford station, but afterwards they block off the path around the stadium. The home fans have to put up with a stop/go system, and the away fans are treated to a 40 minute march back to the station around the ring road.
It is in Leyton Orient territory and should have been given to the local team, not West Ham.
Leyton and West Ham must be all of two miles apart, and the stadium is still in Newham.
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Leyton Orient playing there would make the Darlington Arena seem a sensible idea.
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The worst bogs ever were on the right hand side of the old Kop at the Sty. Just a dark hole in the ground in the middle of the terrace with the steps an almost 90 degree drop. I still miss those days though.
I also fondly remember the grimy blokes who worked at the drop forge that ran along the back of the Tilton. They used to appear at the barred little windows when they were on nights in midweek games and ask the score. Different world but lots of fun in the desanitized football of those days.
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Mate is a West Ham fan, so I'd have more time for them than most other clubs.
Wham, Fulham and QPR fans are generally the less insufferable ones down that way having lived down there.
I do find it odd that the 'Ammers have been rebranded as a Big Club in recent years. But I'd trade their recent top 6 finishes and Euro SF for the dross we've had to put up with. Us signing Barkley on loan and them signing Lingard looks like a sliiding doors moment. Weird, as neither stayed on long-term. But he gave them the impetus to close out the 2020/21 season well whereas we fell away badly.
It must still rankle how they missed out against Frankfurt last season. There are tougher challenges than Glasgow Rangers in a Euro final.
Paqueta looks like a good deal for them if they can get it done.
2-2 in this one, with both defences suspect at the minute. Us to concede from a corner in the last five minutes.
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I can remember being at the sty in 81 with constant messages for us to move forward to make room for the thousands that were still outside. The mens didn’t just consist of a dark hole but if you were lucky a pile of bricks as well.
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Wonder if the team for tomorrow has been announced and he's been dropped.
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Leon Bailey's step-dad(?) has had a bit of an outburst on Instagram: -
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Wonder if the team for tomorrow has been announced and he's been dropped.
Fantastic we could do with making this whole season more of a circus.
I think he has a point - he was bought for a formation we no longer play.
I think it will be the diamond tomorrow as we do seem to play better like that even if we can’t use our best players
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Leon Bailey's dad seems like a knob, although he makes a good point.
West Ham have never finished higher than third in the league. Not worth worrying about. They will beat us tomorrow though.
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I like that his dad calls us 'the Villa'.
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Leon Bailey's step-dad(?) has had a bit of an outburst on Instagram: -
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Wonder if the team for tomorrow has been announced and he's been dropped.
They are told on the day.
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I like that his dad calls us 'the Villa'.
Me too but it's about as good as the message gets.
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That is not going to go down well.
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That is not going to go down well.
It must be pretty embarrassing for Leon. Your old dad getting online and ranting about the football team coach not picking you for the game on Sunday.
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Family members are fully aware of the expected social media rules and regulations.
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Is he his agent as well?
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Gerrard should go with:
Martinez
Cash / Mings / Chambers / Digne
Luiz / Tim / Kamara
Watkins / Ings / Buendia
But he won't. He will pick McGinn / Coutinho / Ramsey - and we will lose.
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Gerrard should go with:
Martinez
Cash / Mings / Chambers / Digne
Luiz / Tim / Kamara
Watkins / Ings / Buendia
But he won't. He will pick McGinn / Coutinho / Ramsey - and we will lose.
You actively want Watkins and Ings playing together? I agree with the rest, really want Tim and Kamara to be tried
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We really need to win this game. The actual 3 points are less important at this stage, it’s more we need to shift the momentum and start creating a positive atmosphere around everything.
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We really need to win this game. The actual 3 points are less important at this stage, it’s more we need to shift the momentum and start creating a positive atmosphere around everything.
Agree wrt the 3 points, it's been a bit of a topsy-turvy season so far and may well be again after the World Cup so need some positivity going into the Arsenal and Citeh games.
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I think if we get less than 3 points from the next 3 games the situation will be unrecoverable for SG
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My heart says we're due an impressive performance, but Spam have done fuck all this season. We all know how this goes. Away win. FFS.
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I think if we get less than 3 points from the next 3 games the situation will be unrecoverable for SG
Yep
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I think if we drew all of them, he'd be happy and a lot of fans would be impressed. We don't do draws no more though so it's moot.
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I think if we drew all of them, he'd be happy and a lot of fans would be impressed. We don't do draws no more though so it's moot.
Yes exactly if we can get 1 win probably better 3 draws given the strength of the opposition we then have a couple easier games. Given the poor end to last season it is essential that SG has at least 12 points after 11 games otherwise people will rightly ask for why he should get more time when smith didn’t
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Gerrard should go with:
Martinez
Cash / Mings / Chambers / Digne
Luiz / Tim / Kamara
Watkins / Ings / Buendia
But he won't. He will pick McGinn / Coutinho / Ramsey - and we will lose.
You actively want Watkins and Ings playing together? I agree with the rest, really want Tim and Kamara to be tried
I agree with Tim, in the few cameos he’s had, he just oozes class on the ball and strokes passes around for fun .
He’s one of the most under rated talents at the club, I hope he stays around first team and doesn’t go on loan.
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Gerrard should go with:
Martinez
Cash / Mings / Chambers / Digne
Luiz / Tim / Kamara
Watkins / Ings / Buendia
But he won't. He will pick McGinn / Coutinho / Ramsey - and we will lose.
Well he picked Buendia last league game and we lost. Not saying picking him is wrong, but let’s not confuse things here.
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Gerrard should go with:
Martinez
Cash / Mings / Chambers / Digne
Luiz / Tim / Kamara
Watkins / Ings / Buendia
But he won't. He will pick McGinn / Coutinho / Ramsey - and we will lose.
You actively want Watkins and Ings playing together? I agree with the rest, really want Tim and Kamara to be tried
I agree with Tim, in the few cameos he’s had, he just oozes class on the ball and strokes passes around for fun .
He’s one of the most under rated talents at the club, I hope he stays around first team and doesn’t go on loan.
I saw his full debut v Norwich last season and he was OK, nothing more. That's not knocking him, I just think expectations need to be managed a bit.
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I hope for the best but fear the worst. A typical Aston Villa fan then! Both clubs are due a performance, West Ham seem to have that Midas touch where we are concerned and we have been far too benevolent for far too long. Please win Villa, I’m thinking draw though.
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I hope for the best but fear the worst. A typical Aston Villa fan then! Both clubs are due a performance, West Ham seem to have that Midas touch where we are concerned and we have been far too benevolent for far too long. Please win Villa, I’m thinking draw though.
I really like that turn of phrase in your first sentence, which is pretty much what I’m thinking. We really need at the very least a performance where the defence don’t play like strangers. I’d take a draw, just about, if it looks like Gerrard and his 50 coaches can come up with some flexibility and we show signs of improvement.
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Seems obvious but we need to carry forward the good bits from the second half at Bolton where there generally looking to be more cohesion and intensity. We have to be far more assertive in our play. If your meek and passive it doesn’t matter how much talent there is in the squad teams will just bully you.
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Not at all confident against a West Ham team with no points or goals.
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It's another lottery to what team he put out again today. Draw.
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Think we'll be lucky to come away with a point today. West Ham are better than us, and more importantly, have a MUCH better manager than us.
Martinez
Cash Chambers Mings Digne
Luiz Kamara
McGinn (*wouldn't be in there if it was my choice)
Bailey Buendia (*but will probably be Coutinho)
Watkins
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I’ve been on this site since 2005 and have never ever posted a team lineup with all the players names in their little positions and formations
I’m just too bloody lazy and it’s a massive arse ache just doing it
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I’ve been on this site since 2005 and have never ever posted a team lineup with all the players names in their little positions and formations
I’m just too bloody lazy and it’s a massive arse ache just doing it
I have a bizarre bit of OCD that pretty much every time someone does it, I have to count the players, make sure there aren’t too many.
Has only been the case about twice ever but still I have to check.
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55 returns currently available on general sale.
16 now. Including one in the Holte.
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I’ve been on this site since 2005 and have never ever posted a team lineup with all the players names in their little positions and formations
I’m just too bloody lazy and it’s a massive arse ache just doing it
I have a bizarre bit of OCD that pretty much every time someone does it, I have to count the players, make sure there aren’t too many.
Has only been the case about twice ever but still I have to check.
Ha ha that’s fantastic
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I’ve been on this site since 2005 and have never ever posted a team lineup with all the players names in their little positions and formations
I’m just too bloody lazy and it’s a massive arse ache just doing it
This a thousand times over, and with any type of post that requires a list or some sort of formatting.
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Let's win today, as we'll get sod all against Arsenal & Man City!
Trying to be positive here.
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I’ve been on this site since 2005 and have never ever posted a team lineup with all the players names in their little positions and formations
I’m just too bloody lazy and it’s a massive arse ache just doing it
I have a bizarre bit of OCD that pretty much every time someone does it, I have to count the players, make sure there aren’t too many.
Has only been the case about twice ever but still I have to check.
Surely it’s the other way round
Doesn’t matter who we play we never have enough players
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I’ve been on this site since 2005 and have never ever posted a team lineup with all the players names in their little positions and formations
I’m just too bloody lazy and it’s a massive arse ache just doing it
This a thousand times over, and with any type of post that requires a list or some sort of formatting.
We’re just a couple of lazysters
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I’ve been on this site since 2005 and have never ever posted a team lineup with all the players names in their little positions and formations
I’m just too bloody lazy and it’s a massive arse ache just doing it
This a thousand times over, and with any type of post that requires a list or some sort of formatting.
We’re just a couple of lazysters
If we could have something in place where we tick names ala fantasy teams , i am also quite lazy
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Not optimistic at all today. Might change in half an hour when the team is released!
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Anyone got up to date news on mings. Rumour is he’s unwell and will miss today
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Just read that. Last thing we need is Mings out today.
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Got a West Ham fan with us today. He’s convinced they’ll lose 3-0 and is basically saying all the things we’re saying on here.
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Got a West Ham fan with us today. He’s convinced they’ll lose 3-0 and is basically saying all the things we’re saying on here.
Have they even scored A goal yet
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In travel news for people heading in from the northern shires, you might want to give a quick tap on the glass and let your driver know that there's a lorry stalled right by the M6 south exit at J9.
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Bit of possible ITK, West Ham are going 5-3-2, Bowen and Scamacca up front.
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No Mings and Bailey on the bench 👀
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No Mings today. Chambers and Konsa,Ings and Watkins up front, Luiz instead of Ramsey. McGinn starts obviously
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same old , same old , come on Villa
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God help us.
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Lack of height at corners in both boxes for Villa today.
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West Ham haven’t scored a goal all season…
Enter the Villa.
Oh well…
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Konsa must give great bjs
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Konsa must give great bjs
😂
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Just arrived in Trinity Upper. Queues as bad as Everton H.
FFS 🤦🏼♂️
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Got a West Ham fan with us today. He’s convinced they’ll lose 3-0 and is basically saying all the things we’re saying on here.
I've just checked with my bookie, and it transpires that no, I can't have Both Teams To Lose. Says it's not even a thing, apparently.
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There have been plenty of games in the past where we've all sat there pre-match, looked at the team line up and had a right good moan about the selection only for the team to put in a surprisingly brilliant performance. I don't think today is one of those days.