Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 13, 2022, 04:55:39 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2022, 04:58:51 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 13, 2022, 05:01:34 PM
Welcome, Rory. If he can be brilliant for Villa and Scotland, that would be nice.
Hear, hear, but he would still only be the second best Rory associated with the Villa. :)
Post by: Drummond on June 13, 2022, 05:07:39 PM
Post by: jwarry on June 13, 2022, 05:09:58 PM
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/rory-wilson-transfer-leaves-rangers-24216275
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2022, 05:10:05 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 13, 2022, 05:15:47 PM
Sounds like Rangers playing hardball over fee so will go to tribunalI can see why. We'd be pissed off if he was leaving us for peanuts too I guess
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/rory-wilson-transfer-leaves-rangers-24216275
But sounds like a good prospect, we've done well to attract him.
Post by: Dogtanian on June 13, 2022, 05:22:05 PM
Finn Azazz has had two full seasons in League Two and done really well in both, I can’t see him playing in the academy or fighting for a first team place yet. And now Wilson coming in, will he be loaned or spend a six months or a season in the U23s so we can assess him.
Post by: SaddVillan on June 13, 2022, 05:43:05 PM
Sounds like Rangers playing hardball over fee so will go to tribunal
https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/rory-wilson-transfer-leaves-rangers-24216275
This is odd for Villa - most clubs from whom we've signed youngsters recently have been very complimentary about how we've handled negotiations etc.
Still, if we can't reach agreement, then a tribunal it is.
Just hope it doesn't sour things if we/when we are trying to sign Calvin Bassey.
Post by: Rory on June 13, 2022, 05:52:18 PM
Welcome, Rory. If he can be brilliant for Villa and Scotland, that would be nice.
Hear, hear, but he would still only be the second best Rory associated with the Villa. :)
I'm sick and tired of these people stealing my name.
Post by: Dogtanian on June 13, 2022, 05:52:26 PM
Post by: Malandro on June 13, 2022, 06:07:06 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 13, 2022, 06:20:54 PM
I think Rangers want to save face and don’t want to be seen to be losing their players so easily. After all, they are the most successful club in world football…
Al-Ahly says hello.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 13, 2022, 06:22:51 PM
Welcome, Rory. If he can be brilliant for Villa and Scotland, that would be nice.
Hear, hear, but he would still only be the second best Rory associated with the Villa. :)
I'm sick and tired of these people stealing my name.
Best change it to Ruairí, or Ruaidhrí just to be on safe side. Can't see us signing anyone from "Rangers" with that name.
Post by: eamonn on June 13, 2022, 06:28:20 PM
Post by: Rory on June 13, 2022, 06:44:48 PM
Welcome, Rory. If he can be brilliant for Villa and Scotland, that would be nice.
Hear, hear, but he would still only be the second best Rory associated with the Villa. :)
I'm sick and tired of these people stealing my name.
Best change it to Ruairí, or Ruaidhrí just to be on safe side. Can't see us signing anyone from "Rangers" with that name.
I'll just give myself a few extra names: Rory Collins McGuinness Scott Brown O'Fenian. That'll work.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 13, 2022, 06:53:22 PM
Best change it to Ruairí, or Ruaidhrí just to be on safe side. Can't see us signing anyone from "Rangers" with that name.
I'll just give myself a few extra names: Rory Collins McGuinness Scott Brown O'Fenian. That'll work.
You forgot Tim.
Post by: Rory on June 13, 2022, 06:55:23 PM
Best change it to Ruairí, or Ruaidhrí just to be on safe side. Can't see us signing anyone from "Rangers" with that name.
I'll just give myself a few extra names: Rory Collins McGuinness Scott Brown O'Fenian. That'll work.
You forgot Tim.
Ah yeah, thanks.
Post by: darren woolley on June 14, 2022, 11:22:53 AM
Post by: astonvilla82 on June 16, 2022, 10:46:47 PM
He looks a promising youngster.fee now agreeded at 350 thousand pounds plus add ons
Post by: Dave P on June 16, 2022, 10:50:30 PM
Post by: Rory on June 16, 2022, 11:17:41 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on June 16, 2022, 11:19:46 PM
Looks like we've got better poker players/lawyers than Gers.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 16, 2022, 11:27:21 PM
https://theathletic.com/3362234/2022/06/14/explained-aston-villa-rangers-and-a-row-over-the-best-young-scottish-talent/
Post by: adrenachrome on June 17, 2022, 12:21:28 AM
Decent explanation of what the argument was about in The Athletic. Surprisingly it doesn't seem to be paywalled, or, at least, it wasn't for me. The article is from before we reached agreement. Presumably Villa are happy getting him at a low fee, though perhaps not as low as it might have been if we had won in court, and they're happy to avoid setting a precedent that could avoid more young players getting poached at low fees by Sassenach teams.
https://theathletic.com/3362234/2022/06/14/explained-aston-villa-rangers-and-a-row-over-the-best-young-scottish-talent/
Cheers, CD. Interesting article.
To disable the popup window, disable javascript in yowm browsa. Why must they vex us so? I suppose they have to earn their crust.
Post by: Hillbilly on June 17, 2022, 12:59:15 AM
We offered £349k, they insisted on 10,000 crates of Special Brew and three lorryloads of union jack vests, so we split the difference.
We offered £349k, they insisted on 10,000 crates of Special Brew and three lorryloads of union jack vests, so we split the difference.
Tennents Super rather than Special Brew. These are classy folk.
Post by: Rory on June 17, 2022, 01:05:31 AM
We offered £349k, they insisted on 10,000 crates of Special Brew and three lorryloads of union jack vests, so we split the difference.We offered £349k, they insisted on 10,000 crates of Special Brew and three lorryloads of union jack vests, so we split the difference.
Tennents Super rather than Special Brew. These are classy folk.
I stand corrected!
Post by: Joe S on June 17, 2022, 05:56:34 AM
I always thought that was a myth until I had to go to Glasgow for work. I popped in a Gregg's (I know) and they had the usual drinks chiller, then a second which was probably 80% full of that orange stuff !
Post by: Dave on July 04, 2022, 06:01:14 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 04, 2022, 06:29:20 PM
Post by: Bad English on July 04, 2022, 07:39:06 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on July 04, 2022, 07:40:18 PM
Very worried about the lack of serious transfers,looks like it's going to be more of the same as we struggle to offload big money signings who nobody wants , frustrating
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2022, 07:42:30 PM
Post by: Bad English on July 04, 2022, 07:43:00 PM
Post by: algy on July 04, 2022, 07:47:22 PM
Post by: Clampy on July 04, 2022, 08:01:21 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 04, 2022, 08:02:24 PM
I know. We haven’t done that yet have we? It’s very, very concerning that nobody has signed for us except this kid. And the window closes next week.
Just get young Rory to read Wilma's posts, he'll feel old in no time.
Post by: gpbarr on July 04, 2022, 09:16:36 PM
Can we sign someone who's of an age to actually play next season please?
Very worried about the lack of serious transfers,looks like it's going to be more of the same as we struggle to offload big money signings who nobody wants , frustrating
Phil, Diego, Boubacar - all fighting to be in the U19s next season …….
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 04, 2022, 09:41:32 PM
Can we sign someone who's of an age to actually play next season please?
Very worried about the lack of serious transfers,looks like it's going to be more of the same as we struggle to offload big money signings who nobody wants , frustrating
Nobody likes you.
Post by: Beard82 on July 04, 2022, 09:53:56 PM
No Irn Bru?Yeah first time I went to Scotland and went into a supermarket and was greeted by stacks of 24 pack Irn Bru. Who buys any soft drinks in 24 packs!!
I always thought that was a myth until I had to go to Glasgow for work. I popped in a Gregg's (I know) and they had the usual drinks chiller, then a second which was probably 80% full of that orange stuff !
Anyway welcome Rory
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2022, 09:57:19 PM
Can we sign someone who's of an age to actually play next season please?
Very worried about the lack of serious transfers,looks like it's going to be more of the same as we struggle to offload big money signings who nobody wants , frustrating
Nobody likes you.
(http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/kdOPBP9vuZA/mqdefault.jpg)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 04, 2022, 10:11:09 PM
Can we sign someone who's of an age to actually play next season please?
Very worried about the lack of serious transfers,looks like it's going to be more of the same as we struggle to offload big money signings who nobody wants , frustrating
Nobody likes you.
(http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/kdOPBP9vuZA/mqdefault.jpg)
His musings tickle me 👀
Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 04, 2022, 10:34:12 PM
They aregreat fun .And it is a bit of an Artform.ECan we sign someone who's of an age to actually play next season please?
Very worried about the lack of serious transfers,looks like it's going to be more of the same as we struggle to offload big money signings who nobody wants , frustrating
Nobody likes you.
(http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/kdOPBP9vuZA/mqdefault.jpg)
His musings tickle me 👀
There must be a positive post one day.
I'm a patient man with hopefully another few decades left so perhaps one will appear before 2050!!
Post by: Flin5tone on July 05, 2022, 08:07:29 AM
Can we sign someone who's of an age to actually play next season please?
Very worried about the lack of serious transfers,looks like it's going to be more of the same as we struggle to offload big money signings who nobody wants , frustrating
Nobody likes you.
I don't care!!
I'll stand by my principals in wanting a fairer society for our fans.
Those in zone 6 were targeted
Coutinho was already with us and to be honest was he even that good towards the end of the season? Digne looks like he will spend a lot of time on the injury table and the new additions could go either way.
If we're going to be increasing prices in the way we have then at least we deserve is better performances than those at Villa Park last season
Post by: PeterWithe on July 05, 2022, 08:10:03 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 05, 2022, 08:11:24 AM
If we're going to be increasing prices in the way we have then at least we deserve is better performances than those at Villa Park last season
Well, who says we won't! You may be pleasantly surprised.
I'm really looking forward to the season, I think we have the potential to have a really good one if idiots like me don't curse it.
Post by: LeeB on July 05, 2022, 08:12:20 AM
Post by: darren woolley on July 05, 2022, 09:08:37 AM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 05, 2022, 09:23:15 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 05, 2022, 09:40:32 AM
Can we sign someone who's of an age to actually play next season please?
Very worried about the lack of serious transfers,looks like it's going to be more of the same as we struggle to offload big money signings who nobody wants , frustrating
Nobody likes you.
I don't care!!
I'll stand by my principals in wanting a fairer society for our fans.
Those in zone 6 were targeted
Coutinho was already with us and to be honest was he even that good towards the end of the season? Digne looks like he will spend a lot of time on the injury table and the new additions could go either way.
If we're going to be increasing prices in the way we have then at least we deserve is better performances than those at Villa Park last season
Yep, I, at the very least expected a guarantee of a top 4 position and a cup for the increased outlay just like other clubs do.
Post by: Drummond on July 05, 2022, 10:34:21 AM
They spend big on star players, but also try and get good youngsters too. The number of players they sell, for multiple millions, that I've never heard of suggests they are investing in the right places. I'm all for it, particularly with what we've seen from the players coming through of late.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 05, 2022, 11:38:55 AM
I don't care!!
I'll stand by my principals in wanting a fairer society for our fans.
Education should be our first priority (unless you're talking about your school's head teacher).
Post by: Clampy on July 05, 2022, 01:25:10 PM
Can we sign someone who's of an age to actually play next season please?
Very worried about the lack of serious transfers,looks like it's going to be more of the same as we struggle to offload big money signings who nobody wants , frustrating
Nobody likes you.
I don't care!!
I'll stand by my principals in wanting a fairer society for our fans.
Those in zone 6 were targeted
Coutinho was already with us and to be honest was he even that good towards the end of the season? Digne looks like he will spend a lot of time on the injury table and the new additions could go either way.
If we're going to be increasing prices in the way we have then at least we deserve is better performances than those at Villa Park last season
I doubt very much you give a shite about those in zone 6. If you felt that strongly about it, you wouldn't have re-newed on principle. You're just a troll.
Post by: Flin5tone on July 05, 2022, 01:40:58 PM
I was absolutely disgusted at the increase to those in the cheapest seats. it was a direct attack on those less well off and families at a time when every penny counts
Post by: Clampy on July 05, 2022, 01:46:29 PM
How dare you say I don't give a s**t about those in zone 6 , I reluctantly renewed out of loyalty and to justify it I have made a couple of lifestyle changes.
I was absolutely disgusted at the increase to those in the cheapest seats. it was a direct attack on those less well off and families at a time when every penny counts
Then take it up with the club. Continuing to bleat about it on here does no good at all, especially on a thread about a young and upcoming striker. It's pretty pathetic of you really.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2022, 01:54:56 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on July 05, 2022, 01:57:30 PM
How dare you say I don't give a s**t about those in zone 6 , I reluctantly renewed out of loyalty and to justify it I have made a couple of lifestyle changes.Flin - those in the cheapest seats still have the 10th cheapest seats in the PL. Not too bad really for a club aiming for top 6 and about to invest 100m+ on a new stand. They could go and support Wolves but it would cost them more.
I was absolutely disgusted at the increase to those in the cheapest seats. it was a direct attack on those less well off and families at a time when every penny counts
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2022, 02:30:48 PM
How dare you say I don't give a s**t about those in zone 6 , I reluctantly renewed out of loyalty and to justify it I have made a couple of lifestyle changes.
I was absolutely disgusted at the increase to those in the cheapest seats. it was a direct attack on those less well off and families at a time when every penny counts
Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your 4 home wins of the season, not beating Man United at home, getting schooled by Brentford, and another season in the bottom half!
Post by: Dogtanian on July 05, 2022, 02:44:47 PM
I was absolutely disgusted at the increase to those in the cheapest seats. it was a direct attack on those less well off and families at a time when every penny counts
Unless Villa carry out some sort of means testing, what's the betting that a significant portion of those enjoying the cheap seats aren't actually the poorest among us? I wonder how many of them got a windfall or a promotion and then gave up their cheap seat for a full whack one so someone else could go?
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2022, 02:53:51 PM
Post by: OCD on July 05, 2022, 02:59:06 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 05, 2022, 03:27:23 PM
So, anyway, Rory Wilson? Good luck and be brilliant please. If you hear any Villa fan shouting "yabba-dabba-zone 6", best just to ignore them.Can I be controversial and suggest those in zone 6 are the Bedrock of our support?
Post by: paul_e on July 05, 2022, 03:31:37 PM
So, anyway, Rory Wilson? Good luck and be brilliant please. If you hear any Villa fan shouting "yabba-dabba-zone 6", best just to ignore them.Can I be controversial and suggest those in zone 6 are the Bedrock of our support?
You can Bet 'e was just looking for something else to moan about.
Post by: Dogtanian on July 05, 2022, 03:33:04 PM
So, anyway, Rory Wilson? Good luck and be brilliant please. If you hear any Villa fan shouting "yabba-dabba-zone 6", best just to ignore them.Can I be controversial and suggest those in zone 6 are the Bedrock of our support?
Until the North Stand is reduced to Barney Rubble.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 05, 2022, 03:43:51 PM
Right last one from me.So, anyway, Rory Wilson? Good luck and be brilliant please. If you hear any Villa fan shouting "yabba-dabba-zone 6", best just to ignore them.Can I be controversial and suggest those in zone 6 are the Bedrock of our support?
You can Bet 'e was just looking for something else to moan about.
I'm sure we'll all be thinking the same thing at the opening home game.
"Wilma new season card work at the turnstile?"
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2022, 03:46:33 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2022, 03:54:16 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 05, 2022, 04:04:41 PM
Imagine a fresh faced, eager young Rory Wilson thinking "I'll have a look around the internets and see what the Villa fans are saying" and coming across this thread, undergoing the now inevitable Wilmageddon phase every thread must these days.
Scores his first goal for the academy, tears off his shirt to reveal "FREE ZONE 6" scrawled in blue upon his wee belly?
Post by: LukeJames on July 05, 2022, 04:11:20 PM
How dare you say I don't give a s**t about those in zone 6.This is one of the finest openings I have ever read on H&V.
Post by: LeeB on July 05, 2022, 04:11:44 PM
Imagine a fresh faced, eager young Rory Wilson thinking "I'll have a look around the internets and see what the Villa fans are saying" and coming across this thread, undergoing the now inevitable Wilmageddon phase every thread must these days.
In 10 years time you'll see one of those "Where are they now?" articles on hot prospects of today, and there will be the sorry tale of Rory whose career was ended before it begun, burdened by the guilt of believing his good fortune in his dream move resulted in the senseless massacre of the zone 6 pricing category.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2022, 04:58:33 PM
Imagine a fresh faced, eager young Rory Wilson thinking "I'll have a look around the internets and see what the Villa fans are saying" and coming across this thread, undergoing the now inevitable Wilmageddon phase every thread must these days.
Scores his first goal for the academy, tears off his shirt to reveal "FREE ZONE 6" scrawled in blue upon his wee belly?
Ha ha, yeah, exactly that!
Post by: john e on July 05, 2022, 05:23:46 PM
every post is masterpiece of negativity, troll or not he one of my my favourite posters
Post by: Clampy on July 05, 2022, 05:50:23 PM
Wilma is an absolute legend on here
every post is masterpiece of negativity, troll or not he one of my my favourite posters
You're easily pleased.
Post by: dave shelley on July 05, 2022, 06:23:29 PM
Right last one from me.So, anyway, Rory Wilson? Good luck and be brilliant please. If you hear any Villa fan shouting "yabba-dabba-zone 6", best just to ignore them.Can I be controversial and suggest those in zone 6 are the Bedrock of our support?
You can Bet 'e was just looking for something else to moan about.
I'm sure we'll all be thinking the same thing at the opening home game.
"Wilma new season card work at the turnstile?"
It might at Ibrox or Parkhead. :D
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 05, 2022, 06:26:59 PM
Right last one from me.
I'm sure we'll all be thinking the same thing at the opening home game.
"Wilma new season card work at the turnstile?"
It might at Ibrox or Parkhead. :D
As an aside, pretty sure I read that the season cards of some Rangers fans got them into the Harry Styles concert at Ibrox.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 05, 2022, 06:28:33 PM
Wilma is an absolute legend on here
every post is masterpiece of negativity, troll or not he one of my my favourite posters
My, my indeed!
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 06, 2022, 12:50:06 AM
Wilma is an absolute legend on here
every post is masterpiece of negativity, troll or not he one of my my favourite posters
You're easily pleased.
Imagine thinking the term 'legend' is warranted here. #bantz
Post by: Rory on July 06, 2022, 02:40:03 AM
Just my view.
Post by: Dogtanian on July 06, 2022, 06:10:58 AM
I think people are being rude to Wilma. If he's broken the rules, he should be banned. If not, we should give him the courtesy of politeness.
Just my view.
I fully agree with you, Rory. Some stuff is personal rather than just a differing of opinions and that’s not right.
Post by: Dave P on July 06, 2022, 06:44:52 AM
Right last one from me.
I'm sure we'll all be thinking the same thing at the opening home game.
"Wilma new season card work at the turnstile?"
It might at Ibrox or Parkhead. :D
As an aside, pretty sure I read that the season cards of some Rangers fans got them into the Harry Styles concert at Ibrox.
Harry Styles was born in Redditch. As you were.
Post by: algy on July 06, 2022, 08:19:05 AM
I think people are being rude to Wilma. If he's broken the rules, he should be banned. If not, we should give him the courtesy of politeness.Well said.
Just my view.
Post by: LeeB on July 06, 2022, 09:02:14 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 06, 2022, 09:16:15 AM
People said the same about Hitler;D
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 06, 2022, 01:24:27 PM
I think people are being rude to Wilma. If he's broken the rules, he should be banned. If not, we should give him the courtesy of politeness.
Just my view.
I don't mind him moaning on in the correct threads, but shitting all over a thread for a new promising youngster just because he's a troll is wank behaviour, IMO.
Post by: Ian. on July 06, 2022, 01:45:31 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 06, 2022, 01:53:34 PM
negativity on a player and then I can be all captain hindsight !
Post by: Drummond on July 06, 2022, 03:30:55 PM
People said the same about Hitler
Hitler born in Redditch? Well fuck me, I'd never heard that before.
Post by: LeeB on July 06, 2022, 03:32:31 PM
People said the same about Hitler
Hitler born in Redditch? Well fuck me, I'd never heard that before.
Mine Kampf was really about trying to get parked in the Kingfisher Shopping Centre.
Post by: algy on July 06, 2022, 03:34:34 PM
Sure I read somewhere that his sister-in-law lived in Liverpool.People said the same about Hitler
Hitler born in Redditch? Well fuck me, I'd never heard that before.
edit: Cissie Hitler .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridget_Dowling
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 06, 2022, 03:38:14 PM
Hitler born in Redditch? Well fuck me, I'd never heard that before.Sure I read somewhere that his sister-in-law lived in Liverpool.
edit: Cissie Hitler .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridget_Dowling
She did indeed and being Liverpool there was an Irish connection.
https://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/paddy-bridget-and-uncle-adolf-meet-the-irish-hitlers-26825755.html
Post by: Dave P on July 06, 2022, 05:05:40 PM
People said the same about Hitler
Hitler born in Redditch? Well fuck me, I'd never heard that before.
Mine Kampf was really about trying to get parked in the Kingfisher Shopping Centre.
And who can forget the infamous Winyates Rally.
Post by: Chris Smith on July 06, 2022, 05:30:28 PM
People said the same about Hitler
Hitler born in Redditch? Well fuck me, I'd never heard that before.
Mine Kampf was really about trying to get parked in the Kingfisher Shopping Centre.
And who can forget the infamous Winyates Rally.
Was that where they announced they were invading Greenlands?
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 14, 2022, 02:39:25 PM
Allow the lad to grow in Scotland.
This incessantly purchasing of young players is getting over done.
Otherwise, it's no surprise that players believe the hype and expect too much too soon. In a few years we have the same situation we're having with Chukwuemeka.
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2022, 02:45:27 PM
Rory Wilson enlisted at the age of 16 for what?
Allow the lad to grow in Scotland.
This incessantly purchasing of young players is getting over done.
Otherwise, it's no surprise that players believe the hype and expect too much too soon. In a few years we have the same situation we're having with Chukwuemeka.
Bloody hell, I’ve read some nonsense…
Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2022, 02:53:51 PM
Footy... you've gone wrong.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 14, 2022, 02:58:27 PM
Rory Wilson enlisted at the age of 16 for what?
Allow the lad to grow in Scotland.
I hate to break it to you but 16 is quite old to be enlisted/recruited.
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2022, 03:02:23 PM
Footy mentioned Chukwuemeka but failed to mention the recent long term contracts signed by Ramsey and Iroegbunam.
Post by: villadelph on July 14, 2022, 03:05:12 PM
Rory Wilson enlisted at the age of 16 for what?
Allow the lad to grow in Scotland.
This incessantly purchasing of young players is getting over done.
Otherwise, it's no surprise that players believe the hype and expect too much too soon. In a few years we have the same situation we're having with Chukwuemeka.
At the same time, you can see that Chuk already wants out at the raw age of 18, so at what age are we supposed to be recruiting youth then?
I would much rather have a young player come through our academy system and be introduced to the first team (and our expectations as a professional) at an early/ier age.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 14, 2022, 03:26:53 PM
You buy young players in the hope they get better so you can play them or sell them. If you wait until they reach their potential every man and his dog will want them.
Footy mentioned Chukwuemeka but failed to mention the recent long term contracts signed by Ramsey and Iroegbunam.
Its a business model and they call it club's ambitions for their youth sides, Purslow said: "The ultimate goal is to populate the under-23 team with 11 outstanding 16, 17 and 18-year-olds, then I will know it’s working."
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 14, 2022, 03:30:14 PM
Rory Wilson enlisted at the age of 16 for what?
Allow the lad to grow in Scotland.
I hate to break it to you but 16 is quite old to be enlisted/recruited.
These clubs can sign them, fail them or sell their talent.
By making unmet promises and having high expectations of young men, you can damage their careers and well being and all they do is end up in League Two.
Some will just settle for that league or some will rise up again even as squad members higher up the leagues but only few will become elite.
Wilson could easily get home sick and that would be a waste all round.
Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2022, 03:31:49 PM
Post by: villadelph on July 14, 2022, 03:44:55 PM
Rory Wilson enlisted at the age of 16 for what?
Allow the lad to grow in Scotland.
I hate to break it to you but 16 is quite old to be enlisted/recruited.
These clubs can sign them, fail them or sell their talent.
By making unmet promises and having high expectations of young men, you can damage their careers and well being and all they do is end up in League Two.
Some will just settle for that league or some will rise up again even as squad members higher up the leagues but only few will become elite.
Wilson could easily get home sick and that would be a waste all round.
That just doesn't make any sense, though?
Are we to completely abandon prospecting and signing young talent because we have high expectations or unique, unforeseen circumstances pop up?
I genuinely have no idea what your point is, or how this mindset would help the club?
Post by: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2022, 03:57:42 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2022, 04:09:19 PM
Rory Wilson enlisted at the age of 16 for what?
Allow the lad to grow in Scotland.
This incessantly purchasing of young players is getting over done.
Otherwise, it's no surprise that players believe the hype and expect too much too soon. In a few years we have the same situation we're having with Chukwuemeka.
I think the point is to create a strong academy and to be able to promote as many of them as possible into the first team, thus saving huge transfer fees. If some players don't want to stay, you sell them, hopefully for more than you bought them for.
Look how many academy graduates chelsea have either in the first team or sold for tidy profit.
I know it's off season and people are bored but some of the complaints on here recently have been pretty staggering. We currently have super rich owners who seem to be doing their best and for some people it's still not enough to be optimistic and desperate to pick any kind of hole in it.
Cheer up lads
Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2022, 04:44:55 PM
Post by: WassallVillain on July 14, 2022, 06:13:24 PM
You make it sound like a sink or swim option. It’s not. He will have all the support and more to make it as a professional and he still may not. Player welfare, particularly for the young and away from home will be a major consideration. I doubt they’ve lifted him from the wilds of Scotland and dumped him into student type accommodation on the outskirts of Birmingham. Most likely there’s generous assistance available for his family. You can’t not do something just in case some poor soul might suffer rejection.Rory Wilson enlisted at the age of 16 for what?
Allow the lad to grow in Scotland.
I hate to break it to you but 16 is quite old to be enlisted/recruited.
These clubs can sign them, fail them or sell their talent.
By making unmet promises and having high expectations of young men, you can damage their careers and well being and all they do is end up in League Two.
Some will just settle for that league or some will rise up again even as squad members higher up the leagues but only few will become elite.
Wilson could easily get home sick and that would be a waste all round.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 14, 2022, 06:18:37 PM
Rory Wilson enlisted at the age of 16 for what?
They've taken him away from "Rangers", his lot in life can only improve.
Post by: algy on July 15, 2022, 07:08:42 AM
But, *not* doing that is basically suicidal for your youth team, and in FFP terms it's one of the few ways clubs like ourselves can work the system to our advantage. Especially because if we don't sign the player, someone else will ... and then farm them out on loan.
The idealist in me hates how the loan system works, and thinks it's detrimental to the game outside half a dozen or so clubs in the Premier League. The pragmatist in me realises that we're one of that 'half dozen or so' and we'd be mad not to do it.
Post by: Dogtanian on July 15, 2022, 07:25:24 AM
Post by: paul_e on July 15, 2022, 07:53:33 AM
To be honest, in principle I agree with Footy. I think acquiring players to loan them out, rather than allowing them to become stars at their own clubs, is fundamentally the wrong thing to do. What hope does a club like, for example, Exeter City have if whenever they have a half decent player come through the ranks, some Premier League club comes along, snaps them up, then farms them out on loan for however long on the basis of a 2% chance they'll make it.
But, *not* doing that is basically suicidal for your youth team, and in FFP terms it's one of the few ways clubs like ourselves can work the system to our advantage. Especially because if we don't sign the player, someone else will ... and then farm them out on loan.
The idealist in me hates how the loan system works, and thinks it's detrimental to the game outside half a dozen or so clubs in the Premier League. The pragmatist in me realises that we're one of that 'half dozen or so' and we'd be mad not to do it.
Don't forget though that most clubs are happy with how we go about it and when we pick up someone from a club like Exeter the fee we agree is enough to pay for their entire academy for at least a year.
Post by: Risso on July 15, 2022, 04:37:04 PM
These clubs can sign them, fail them or sell their talent.
By making unmet promises and having high expectations of young men, you can damage their careers and well being and all they do is end up in League Two.
Some will just settle for that league or some will rise up again even as squad members higher up the leagues but only few will become elite.
Wilson could easily get home sick and that would be a waste all round.
So we should leave the young players in the lower leagues, in case they don't make it and end up playing in the lower leagues?
And what promises do you think will be made to them, besides paying them the agreed rate for the length of their contract and playing them if they turn out to be any good?
Post by: Mister E on July 15, 2022, 05:08:22 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 15, 2022, 05:30:52 PM
How good is Rory Wilson? - genuine question.
He’s one of the best in his age group, judging by the goals, but we will see how he gets on next season in the U23s as it’s a big test.
Post by: algy on July 15, 2022, 08:22:19 PM
Yeah, I agree. I think we’ve gone about our business in the right way, and I’m certainly not complaining about it. You have that other side of the coin, of course, where it’s at least allowing the trickle down money to get to clubs in the rest of the league structure, which is better than it going elsewhere.To be honest, in principle I agree with Footy. I think acquiring players to loan them out, rather than allowing them to become stars at their own clubs, is fundamentally the wrong thing to do. What hope does a club like, for example, Exeter City have if whenever they have a half decent player come through the ranks, some Premier League club comes along, snaps them up, then farms them out on loan for however long on the basis of a 2% chance they'll make it.
But, *not* doing that is basically suicidal for your youth team, and in FFP terms it's one of the few ways clubs like ourselves can work the system to our advantage. Especially because if we don't sign the player, someone else will ... and then farm them out on loan.
The idealist in me hates how the loan system works, and thinks it's detrimental to the game outside half a dozen or so clubs in the Premier League. The pragmatist in me realises that we're one of that 'half dozen or so' and we'd be mad not to do it.
Don't forget though that most clubs are happy with how we go about it and when we pick up someone from a club like Exeter the fee we agree is enough to pay for their entire academy for at least a year.
It’s complicated and on any given day I’ll contradict things I’ve said about it before half a dozen times or more!
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 02, 2023, 03:36:47 PM
Younger but high potential signed by Gerrrad.
I think hes still really just developing and will be a season or so if he gets any first team squad call ups.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 02, 2023, 03:42:37 PM
I keep seeing lot of traffic on Louie Barry thread. Wondering where are we with Wilson in the scheme of things in peckish order of strikers or being loaned.
Younger but high potential signed by Gerrrad.
I think hes still really just developing and will be a season or so if he gets any first team squad call ups.
Yep, i think he's pretty young and hungry.
Post by: paul_e on February 02, 2023, 03:48:04 PM
I keep seeing lot of traffic on Louie Barry thread. Wondering where are we with Wilson in the scheme of things in peckish order of strikers or being loaned.
Younger but high potential signed by Gerrrad.
I think hes still really just developing and will be a season or so if he gets any first team squad call ups.
I think Brad Young is the one we'll look at if we get injuries. I'm not sure if he's anything like good enough, his youth record is good but he's struggled on loan.
Post by: Clampy on February 02, 2023, 03:51:02 PM
I keep seeing lot of traffic on Louie Barry thread. Wondering where are we with Wilson in the scheme of things in peckish order of strikers or being loaned.
Younger but high potential signed by Gerrrad.
I think hes still really just developing and will be a season or so if he gets any first team squad call ups.
Yep, i think he's pretty young and hungry.
He always needs it on a plate for him though.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 02, 2023, 03:56:34 PM
But we don't even have a Brad Young thread!I keep seeing lot of traffic on Louie Barry thread. Wondering where are we with Wilson in the scheme of things in peckish order of strikers or being loaned.
Younger but high potential signed by Gerrrad.
I think hes still really just developing and will be a season or so if he gets any first team squad call ups.
I think Brad Young is the one we'll look at if we get injuries. I'm not sure if he's anything like good enough, his youth record is good but he's struggled on loan.
Post by: Drummond on February 02, 2023, 04:05:48 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 02, 2023, 04:17:09 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 02, 2023, 04:24:43 PM
Post by: Bad English on February 02, 2023, 04:25:35 PM
Post by: Simon Page on February 02, 2023, 05:35:44 PM
Foul - Dennis Taylor, 4.
Just no-one ask him to play again.
Post by: Gareth on February 02, 2023, 08:53:55 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on February 03, 2023, 11:09:49 AM
Yes, why should we bother with that youth development malarky because it might not work?!?Rory Wilson enlisted at the age of 16 for what?
Allow the lad to grow in Scotland.
I hate to break it to you but 16 is quite old to be enlisted/recruited.
These clubs can sign them, fail them or sell their talent.
By making unmet promises and having high expectations of young men, you can damage their careers and well being and all they do is end up in League Two.
Some will just settle for that league or some will rise up again even as squad members higher up the leagues but only few will become elite.
Wilson could easily get home sick and that would be a waste all round.
Lets leave that sort of nonsense to clubs like Chelsea... ???
Post by: pablo_picasso on February 03, 2023, 11:14:16 AM
How good is Rory Wilson? - genuine question.
Currently, he is still raw because he is only 17. But his goalscoring record with Rangers, Scotland & Villas youth & reserve teams is ridiculously high for a kid when he was playing at the ages of 15-16 year old in ages groups of u18 to u21. He has scored around 50-odd for Rangers youth in one season, 13 in 12 for Scotland u18s & 8 in 10 (732 mins) for Villas reserves. So he has finishing boots...
Post by: PGW on February 03, 2023, 11:36:05 AM
Wilson could easily get home sick and that would be a waste all round.
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Yes, why should we bother with that youth development malarky because it might not work?!?
Homesickness cost us a good 'un back in 80/81 when top prospect Brian 'Choccy' McClair fell to it and we were forced to let him return home to
Motherwell where he went onto have a great career at Celtic and Utd.......but yes he was originally one of ours
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Post by: Gareth on February 03, 2023, 11:46:12 AM
As for his development…he seems to have made it to the u23’s so every chance he will be training with first team regularly and 9 subs means he might get some time on bench this season
Post by: algy on June 09, 2023, 08:57:14 PM
https://www.scotsman.com/node/4150659
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 09, 2023, 09:09:30 PM
Article in The Scotsman
https://www.scotsman.com/node/4150659
Good article, thanks for posting. Seems to have a determined and focused attitude to make it as far as he can, without getting ahead of himself.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 09, 2023, 10:18:10 PM
Article in The Scotsman
https://www.scotsman.com/node/4150659
Ironically, I’d imagine Rangers (or Celtic) would be a good place to send promising young players. We invest in their youth academy, steal the best ones, but send them back on loan to get experience.
Post by: Matt C on June 10, 2023, 12:46:51 AM
Post by: dave shelley on June 10, 2023, 08:38:45 AM
Sending him on loan to Celtic now would be peak shithousery. Sounds great.
Does the player not get a say in where he goes? I'm guessing he does, no point sending him somewhere he doesn't want to be as he isn't going to improve if he isn't happy. I would imagine this type of thing is well sourced by the staff (Jedinak) at Villa before he goes anywhere.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 20, 2023, 09:53:33 AM
I don’t have that much involvement with the first team, just now and again. I think it is really important though if I get the opportunity to go and take it and learn as much as I can.
“I speak to John McGinn now and again. He is good with all the young Scottish boys at Villa. He’s a top guy. I have scored 12 goals this season including the Scotland one on Sunday.”
Wilson spoke about adapting to life away from home following his move from Glasgow
"Obviously, the standard is top drawer especially with the first team. There are world class players everywhere. What you hear about it is what you get. But that’s what you want. It’s up to me to push myself.
It ook me a bit of time at first to settle in because you are away from your family for the first time. But you get used to it. You have to get on with it and take it in your stride."
Post by: Rotterdam on October 20, 2023, 05:06:04 PM
Sending him on loan to Celtic now would be peak shithousery. Sounds great.
Does the player not get a say in where he goes? I'm guessing he does, no point sending him somewhere he doesn't want to be as he isn't going to improve if he isn't happy. I would imagine this type of thing is well sourced by the staff (Jedinak) at Villa before he goes anywhere.
Players can refuse to go on loan, but it doesn't go down well.
The club loan manager and staff either contact clubs who the player would 'fit with' or more likely, Villa would be contacted by a club looking for a forward/right back/goalie etc.
A lot of the young players have an issue with loans and can be a bit sniffy about it. Going on loan to Southend Utd in the National League isn't appealing for some and they prefer to stay at BH and stand out in u21 games. They are away from home and out of their comfort zone. Some are shocked that they are treated differently and how poor the facilities are. If a change of manager occurs, they can also be frozen out.
Loans are great if the kid is playing and realizes it is to benefit him.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 20, 2023, 05:18:24 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 20, 2023, 07:41:47 PM
A loan to the J league next season perhaps?
Yes, let's send an 18 year old kid to the other side of the world. Obvious thing to do to one of our best striker prospects for decades.
Post by: AV84 on October 20, 2023, 07:44:07 PM
A loan to the J league next season perhaps?
Yes, let's send an 18 year old kid to the other side of the world. Obvious thing to do to one of our best striker prospects for decades.
It says in that interview that he struggled a bit to settle when he moved from Glasgow to Birmingham, so sending him to Japan makes absolute sense.
Post by: Clampy on October 20, 2023, 07:46:21 PM
A loan to the J league next season perhaps?
Yes, let's send an 18 year old kid to the other side of the world. Obvious thing to do to one of our best striker prospects for decades.
Yes. I know it's common for clubs to send young players out on loan to clubs in other parts of the country to give them not only game time but experience of being away from home but Japan would be a stretch.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 20, 2023, 07:46:33 PM
A loan to the J league next season perhaps?
Yes, let's send an 18 year old kid to the other side of the world. Obvious thing to do to one of our best striker prospects for decades.
It says in that interview that he struggled a bit to settle when he moved from Glasgow to Birmingham, so sending him to Japan makes absolute sense.
Plus he might bump into Axl on a night out. :(
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 20, 2023, 07:48:08 PM
A loan to the J league next season perhaps?
Yes, let's send an 18 year old kid to the other side of the world. Obvious thing to do to one of our best striker prospects for decades.
It says in that interview that he struggled a bit to settle when he moved from Glasgow to Birmingham, so sending him to Japan makes absolute sense.
Yet two of Vissel Kobe’s talented Under 16 !! Are coming to train at Villa!
There's scope for academy players to be utilised in Japan as well as players from Kobe coming to England.
As detailed by the official partnership announcement.
Post by: Gareth on October 20, 2023, 07:49:08 PM
A loan to the J league next season perhaps?
Not sure it’ll be our top prospect going over there but fair chance others will go at various points Footy - not sure when the J League season runs, if it’s over summer would be good for any players who were injured during our season to go
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 20, 2023, 07:54:58 PM
I've heard good reports but had high hopes for Louie Barry, Cam Archer and befor Ruben Heden Murphy.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 20, 2023, 07:57:56 PM
Yet two of Vissel Kobe’s talented Under 16 !! Are coming to train at Villa!
Yes, but the jet lag from going east to west is far easier to deal with than flying eastwards.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 20, 2023, 08:11:58 PM
The young players would enjoy the experience as much as players coming to England.
Post by: pablo_picasso on October 20, 2023, 08:13:43 PM
How good is this Wilson?
I've heard good reports but had high hopes for Louie Barry, Cam Archer and befor Ruben Heden Murphy.
So far at Rangers, Scotland & Villa he has played from the ages 15-18 at the levels u18-u21 & has pretty much scored a goal per game.
Could he flop?
Yes.
But from the age of 15 to 18, his goalscoring record playing at levels above his age suggests that he could become a very good striker...
So the likelihood of us sending Wilson to Japan?
If we do, I will eat my own arse...
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 20, 2023, 09:51:10 PM
Sounds promising.
It's hard to fully know if a player is going to make it all the way.
Post by: OCD on October 20, 2023, 09:59:57 PM
Post by: Smithy on October 21, 2023, 10:27:11 AM
Both excellent prospects, but as we've seen recently, the step up from starring at youth level to making it in our current first team is huge.
Post by: Smithy on October 21, 2023, 10:28:32 AM
A loan to the J league next season perhaps?
Yes, let's send an 18 year old kid to the other side of the world. Obvious thing to do to one of our best striker prospects for decades.
It says in that interview that he struggled a bit to settle when he moved from Glasgow to Birmingham, so sending him to Japan makes absolute sense.
Yet two of Vissel Kobe’s talented Under 16 !! Are coming to train at Villa!
There's scope for academy players to be utilised in Japan as well as players from Kobe coming to England.
As detailed by the official partnership announcement.
If Kobe's best young players are coming here, it's because the set-up, facilities and footballing standards are better here. There is absolutely no way we are sending some of our most promising youngsters in the other direction. Zero.
Post by: Axl Rose on October 21, 2023, 10:34:25 AM
A loan to the J league next season perhaps?
Yes, let's send an 18 year old kid to the other side of the world. Obvious thing to do to one of our best striker prospects for decades.
It says in that interview that he struggled a bit to settle when he moved from Glasgow to Birmingham, so sending him to Japan makes absolute sense.
Yet two of Vissel Kobe’s talented Under 16 !! Are coming to train at Villa!
There's scope for academy players to be utilised in Japan as well as players from Kobe coming to England.
As detailed by the official partnership announcement.
If Kobe's best young players are coming here, it's because the set-up, facilities and footballing standards are better here. There is absolutely no way we are sending some of our most promising youngsters in the other direction. Zero.
I'd say you're probably 100% correct here, mate.
I've been here for 10 years and I've never heard anything about Vissel's youth system.
Reysol and Bellmare, yes. But then their young talent gets snapped up by the likes of Marinos, Urawa and occasionally a German/Belgian team.
No chance any of our better youth players going to Jleague. It's probably League 1 standard most of the time. Maybe I'm being cruel, but every JLeague game I've ever been to, I've been bored to death / not been impressed by the level of football.
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2023, 10:47:52 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 21, 2023, 03:06:37 PM
Wilson is another one like Kellyman who is quite tall, and still needs to fill out a bit.
Didn't realise he was fairly tall (apparently he's 6ft) till I read that. That's encouraging and as you say gives him scope to fill out a bit.
Post by: pablo_picasso on October 21, 2023, 07:44:06 PM
Wilson is another one like Kellyman who is quite tall, and still needs to fill out a bit.
Didn't realise he was fairly tall (apparently he's 6ft) till I read that. That's encouraging and as you say gives him scope to fill out a bit.
A Rangers fan I know reckons he is about 6'2" / 6'3"...
Post by: OCD on October 21, 2023, 07:46:37 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on October 22, 2023, 10:27:31 PM
Too easy for him.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 24, 2024, 04:11:07 PM
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1771931866594988538?s=46
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 24, 2024, 04:45:11 PM
Been offered a new five year contract. Either an exciting prospect getting closer to breaking through or protection of a FFP compliance sale asset.
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1771931866594988538?s=46
Hope he signs it, seems one of our more exciting prospects..
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 24, 2024, 05:07:14 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on March 24, 2024, 09:46:37 PM
Post by: OCD on March 25, 2024, 11:39:19 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 25, 2024, 12:40:31 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on March 25, 2024, 12:54:29 PM
We just have to hope that he doesn't pull a Chukweumeka on us & fuck off to Chelsea after refusing the contract...
Well, in fairness, he did join us after rejecting Rangers' contract offer after they'd looked after him since he was a kid.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 25, 2024, 12:59:08 PM
We just have to hope that he doesn't pull a Chukweumeka on us & fuck off to Chelsea after refusing the contract...
Well, in fairness, he did join us after rejecting Rangers' contract offer after they'd looked after him since he was a kid.
They deserved it though.
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 25, 2024, 12:59:49 PM
We just have to hope that he doesn't pull a Chukweumeka on us & fuck off to Chelsea after refusing the contract...
Well, in fairness, he did join us after rejecting Rangers' contract offer after they'd looked after him since he was a kid.
Which is why I am concerned. Would I be surprised?
No. As you point out, there is form for it.
Wouldn't stop me being disappointed though...
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 26, 2024, 05:13:00 PM
Post by: Tuscans on September 10, 2024, 04:31:31 PM
@nickmashiter
Imagine reporting that to the police.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 10, 2024, 04:35:52 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on September 10, 2024, 04:54:05 PM
If we are struggling to get Duran to stay on the bench behind Watkins, imagine being Rory Wilson - would you want to wait your turn?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 10, 2024, 05:09:48 PM
I can't see him staying. He'll be eager to go out and play and will have plenty of offers that will see him on the pitch quicker than he will with us.
If we are struggling to get Duran to stay on the bench behind Watkins, imagine being Rory Wilson - would you want to wait your turn?
And you know what those Rorys are like, very difficult to deal with.
Post by: AV84 on September 10, 2024, 05:50:01 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 10, 2024, 05:52:52 PM
Post by: AV84 on September 10, 2024, 05:55:18 PM
What 'bigger' club is an 18 year old with 0 career first team appearances going to go to and play a lot?
Well the post above says Bayern Leverkusen are interested in him. Why would they be a more attractive prospect to him if he's not going to play more? I'd assume if he's dragging his feet on signing he feels he can get game time sooner by signing somewhere else.
Edit - probably should have specified that by bigger, I mean bigger than where we normally loan our kids out to.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 10, 2024, 05:55:53 PM
There are too many of these signings now that need a section away from main discussion board.
I think must have been some agreement to have to sign him under Gerrard.
Not interested whatsoever as he's something to do with Gerrard tenure.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 10, 2024, 05:56:23 PM
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 10, 2024, 06:03:15 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 10, 2024, 06:10:36 PM
No body cares about this ! What's it got to do with Villa first team ?
When you say 'nobody' I presume there's more than one person whose opinion you're referring to?
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 10, 2024, 06:17:08 PM
When I tried to explain, I read that no one was interested! That hurts! Particularly since all I like to do is improve how things are discussed on the site by making it simple to use and recommend discussions are in the appropriate sections.
Although I don't need to add anything extra to Wilson's thread to this from here on in I do have strong feelings regarding Gerrard signing him. Also this Wilson is a reminding symbol of Gerrard and it was grossly unfair that Deano was replaced for that guy, and I truly loved Deano so I'm bias and I disliked SG. I loved Emery is in place now! I thank you for your recommendation to see the viewpoint of I don't enjoy the posts I read and will do that suggestions PWS.
My issue remains Gerrard and seeing Wilson is reminding me of him and Purslow colluding.
Sorry!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 10, 2024, 06:19:19 PM
Although I don't need to add anything extra to Wilson's thread to this from here on in I do have strong feelings regarding Gerrard signing him. Also this Wilson is a reminding symbol of Gerrard and it was grossly unfair that Deano was replaced for that guy, and I truly loved Deano so I'm bias and I disliked SG. I loved Emery is in place now! I thank you for your recommendation to see the viewpoint of I don't enjoy the posts I read and will do that suggestions PWS.
My issue remains Gerrard and seeing Wilson is reminding me of him and Purslow colluding.
Sorry!
Just wait till Kamara's back in first-team action.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 10, 2024, 06:20:14 PM
I'm sorry.No body cares about this ! What's it got to do with Villa first team ?
When you say 'nobody' I presume there's more than one person whose opinion you're referring to?
I put above some explanations.I copied what was said to me in that 'nobody cares' phrase about the international player thread, despite me saying it was upsetting as groups are writing on other games thread instead. It's not in my nature to be like that, so yes, the Wilson thread is very much entitled to be here on the main board as the current topic of conversation despite my personal reservations
I think people writing on other games thread though deliberately is not in the spirit of the forum, and I think people are taking out their frustrations regarding tickets and urinals on not writing on specific thread to cause chaos. It's my mistake to say that 'nobody's cares' that's wrong of me, and I can see that now.
And Drummond, and thanks for pointing it out as well.
Post by: Mister E on September 10, 2024, 06:24:09 PM
This guy just an utter irrelevance other than potentially getting some money for him as he will not be playing for villa seniors."utter irrelevance"? - what, because he's a Scot?!!
There are too many of these signings now that need a section away from main discussion board.
I think must have been some agreement to have to sign him under Gerrard.
Not interested whatsoever as he's something to do with Gerrard tenure.
I know you disapprove of John McGinn, but Really!!
Your dismissal of a Villa Academy player is actually quite saddening. I grew up watching the likes of John Gidman, Brian "walks on water" Little, Bobby Mac, Stevie Hunt; I saw Keith Leonard and Andy Gray mullering Liverpool; I witnessed the young Gary Shaw show England's best how to score goals. And now, we have Grealish, Ramsey et al from the recent academy set-up gracing the Premier League Stage.
Shame on you, F-V.
Post by: Risso on September 10, 2024, 06:27:26 PM
Although I don't need to add anything extra to Wilson's thread to this from here on in I do have strong feelings regarding Gerrard signing him. Also this Wilson is a reminding symbol of Gerrard and it was grossly unfair that Deano was replaced for that guy, and I truly loved Deano so I'm bias and I disliked SG. I loved Emery is in place now! I thank you for your recommendation to see the viewpoint of I don't enjoy the posts I read and will do that suggestions PWS.
My issue remains Gerrard and seeing Wilson is reminding me of him and Purslow colluding.
Sorry!
Just wait till Kamara's back in first-team action.
And that Digne this weekend. Grrrrrrrrr.
Post by: Mister E on September 10, 2024, 06:27:52 PM
It is odd why this guy has a thread and Rachel Daly doesn't though I think that's reasonable thought.Maybe it's because people who have watched him actually rate him as a future first-teamer!
Post by: Gareth on September 10, 2024, 06:31:48 PM
No body cares about this ! What's it got to do with Villa first team ?
When you say 'nobody' I presume there's more than one person whose opinion you're referring to?
The whole squad!
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 10, 2024, 06:32:49 PM
Please I explained.It is odd why this guy has a thread and Rachel Daly doesn't though I think that's reasonable thought.Maybe it's because people who have watched him actually rate him as a future first-teamer!
I also take fully what you say.
Have a good evening and I don't mean to offend you.
Up The Villa.
Post by: Mister E on September 10, 2024, 06:36:04 PM
Enjoy your recital, Footy.Please I explained.It is odd why this guy has a thread and Rachel Daly doesn't though I think that's reasonable thought.Maybe it's because people who have watched him actually rate him as a future first-teamer!
I also take fully what you say.
Have a good evening and I don't mean to offend you.
Up The Villa.
Post by: Risso on September 10, 2024, 06:49:15 PM
"Not yet Nige, just resetting the 'when is a match thread going to be started' parameters, not sure it was achieving peak annoyance. Just got to make sure the bot that bumps all our own threads is set for the evening, and I'll be over for another game of D&D."
Post by: Dogtanian on September 10, 2024, 06:50:21 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 10, 2024, 06:53:31 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 10, 2024, 06:54:16 PM
You out of touch peasants.
Post by: OCD on September 10, 2024, 08:46:38 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 10, 2024, 09:43:39 PM
Post by: paul_e on September 10, 2024, 09:56:53 PM
He isnt even registered in CL squad id say he is off in summer sadly
I'd guess that's about the contract as much as anything, if he resighns and we're still in it he'll be added in Janaury.
Post by: Clampy on September 10, 2024, 11:29:49 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on September 10, 2024, 11:36:40 PM
Is he injured at the moment? I thought he might have featured up at Fleetwood last week or is he part of another squad?
Nobody cares Clampy
Post by: Dave P on September 11, 2024, 12:07:41 PM
Yes, you are quite correct. I'm still irritated by certain people's wilful disregard for the international player topic that was started for conversation!
When I tried to explain, I read that no one was interested! That hurts! Particularly since all I like to do is improve how things are discussed on the site by making it simple to use and recommend discussions are in the appropriate sections.
Although I don't need to add anything extra to Wilson's thread to this from here on in I do have strong feelings regarding Gerrard signing him. Also this Wilson is a reminding symbol of Gerrard and it was grossly unfair that Deano was replaced for that guy, and I truly loved Deano so I'm bias and I disliked SG. I loved Emery is in place now! I thank you for your recommendation to see the viewpoint of I don't enjoy the posts I read and will do that suggestions PWS.
My issue remains Gerrard and seeing Wilson is reminding me of him and Purslow colluding.
Sorry!
I'd say discussing Rory Wilson in the 'Rory Wilson' thread is very appropriate.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 11, 2024, 12:20:07 PM
Post by: john2710 on September 11, 2024, 01:47:33 PM
He'll go somewhere where they have history of bringing through young players, probably the likes of Dortmund, Leverkusen. He could do that here, but I think it's unlikely now.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 19, 2024, 08:44:17 AM
Also there were several here who suspected Wilson wouldn't sign a new contract.
The news now coming from Glasgow based Scottish paper Daily Record says ' Rory Wilson 'set to' end Aston Villa nightmare as Rangers made to sweat over mega profit'
Sounds very ITK as also reported by The Athletic
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/rory-wilson-aston-villa-rangers-33925560
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 19, 2024, 09:29:04 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 19, 2024, 09:53:26 AM
Every cloud.
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2024, 10:12:46 AM
He's provided a link, what are you struggling with? As is usually the case with Record/Mirror/Birmingham Mail etc, it's basically just a rehash of what has been printed elsewhere, but they've given it a "Rangers" slant. If Villa lose money, "Rangers" lose money, too.
Every cloud.
That signing him was nothing to do with the deal to make Gerrard manager, obviously.
Post by: Smithy on October 19, 2024, 10:28:44 AM
Post by: LeeB on October 19, 2024, 10:55:51 AM
Post by: OCD on October 19, 2024, 11:14:59 AM
Good prospect, but I'm 100% behind the club sticking to its academy wage structure. By all means give him a contract that includes a nice bump in wages when he's had a dozen first-team appearances, but £20k+ a week while still in the academy? I don't think so.
According to the Athletic, other clubs are prepared to pay that. Fair enough if we're sticking to a set structure but if there are others prepared to pay substantially more, you also can't blame the player for considering his options. It's not like he's had many first team opportunities, apparently he's rarely trained with the first team squad so Emery obviouslsy thinks he has a long way to go.
Post by: Simon Page on October 19, 2024, 11:51:24 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 19, 2024, 11:54:30 AM
I mean, not now, obviously. I'm aware he's probably in his sixties, before someone (BV) points that out. 🙂
Post by: Simon Page on October 19, 2024, 12:11:52 PM
Any road up, Wilson isn't good enough to be of immediate first team use. He might go on to have a top career, or he might become a difficult quiz question like record signing Scott Murray. Right now he has to do what he thinks is best for him.
But if he turns up in a mercenary squad that pips us to 2037 title, he must pay a heavy price.
Post by: Smithy on October 19, 2024, 01:29:34 PM
Good prospect, but I'm 100% behind the club sticking to its academy wage structure. By all means give him a contract that includes a nice bump in wages when he's had a dozen first-team appearances, but £20k+ a week while still in the academy? I don't think so.
According to the Athletic, other clubs are prepared to pay that. Fair enough if we're sticking to a set structure but if there are others prepared to pay substantially more, you also can't blame the player for considering his options. It's not like he's had many first team opportunities, apparently he's rarely trained with the first team squad so Emery obviouslsy thinks he has a long way to go.
If teams are genuinely willing to pay £20k a week to an 18-year-old without a single first-team appearance to his name - at any level - then I don't think that's a game we want to be playing? Especially in the world of FFP. Unless of course his wages aren't part of FFP as it counts as "youth investment"?
With the amount of money in the game, it makes sense that some of those riches will start flowing down earlier and earlier in a player's career if the clubs think it can save them £10m in transfer fees. But these aren't pennies. Let's say we pay him £20k a week, that's a million a year, if he signs a four or five year contract, then unless he becomes a regular first-team player you'd have to be selling him for multiple millions in order for it to make commercial sense.
Post by: Demitri_C on October 19, 2024, 02:07:17 PM
Post by: Dave on October 19, 2024, 02:28:54 PM
20k ?? Is he insane
If there are other clubs willing to pay him that then...no?
Post by: Monty on October 19, 2024, 02:34:36 PM
Post by: Steve67 on October 19, 2024, 03:52:43 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 19, 2024, 03:54:29 PM
Post by: Mellin on October 19, 2024, 04:00:19 PM
Post by: paul_e on October 19, 2024, 04:10:01 PM
If he thinks he can get first team football and more money somewhere else then I guess fair play, it's a shame though as I'd have liked to see him get some time around Emery's coaching.
Post by: Villa Lew on January 06, 2025, 08:34:37 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 06, 2025, 09:26:05 PM
I imagine Jhon wasn't too dissimilarly paid on his first contract with us?
Which is what you’d expect having played a lot or at least more first team football.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 06, 2025, 10:11:07 PM
Has just turned 19, will he still be with us, when he celebrates his 20th birthday?
Absolutely no chance, sadly.
Post by: jwarry on April 01, 2025, 02:30:01 PM
Has just turned 19, will he still be with us, when he celebrates his 20th birthday?
Absolutely no chance, sadly.
Maybe not
🟣🔵🔐 Aston Villa has finalized a new contract extension to retain talent Rory Wilson, whose contract expires this summer.
Agreement in place and completed.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 01, 2025, 02:31:24 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 01, 2025, 02:33:38 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on April 01, 2025, 02:37:31 PM
how far is he from the first team do we think ?
My guess would be the pre-season on and around the first team tours, first half of next season upper level d3 and see from there, then sold next summer.
Post by: eamonn on April 01, 2025, 03:10:44 PM
Post by: Dave on April 01, 2025, 03:14:10 PM
Does this mean he jumps ahead of Louie Barry ?
Seems very unlikely. He's two years younger and has never played a first-match before for anyone.
As above, first-team pre-season and a loan somewhere would be the obvious.
Post by: stevo_st on April 01, 2025, 04:07:38 PM
Wasn’t expecting this.
Post by: SaddVillan on April 01, 2025, 04:21:46 PM
Well done to the club for taking a strong stand, whilst at the same time keeping talking to him and his agent/family.
Post by: Dave P on April 07, 2025, 12:07:23 PM
Post by: OCD on April 07, 2025, 12:15:49 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 07, 2025, 12:39:10 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 07, 2025, 12:41:50 PM
He's signed.
Does this mean he's back to being an exciting prospect as opposed to nothing special any time we've seen him play?
Post by: rooboy316 on April 07, 2025, 01:16:09 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 07, 2025, 01:29:04 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on April 07, 2025, 02:24:29 PM
Not sure who has the option to excercise the 1 yr extension - Villa or Wilson
Anyway, we need to ensure that we don't end up in the same situation/stand-off in 2 years time. Train him hard from now until August and then integarate him into the first team - match day squad, 15 mins in Carabao Cup games?
If he's showing promise - loan him out in Jan and review his progress next summer.
I like him as a player, but not too sure of his character - after all, he gave Rangers the run around before joining us.
Post by: Dave P on April 07, 2025, 05:21:39 PM
Post by: Smithy on April 07, 2025, 05:39:05 PM
I mean, this is purely for fattening up for FFP. Let's not kid ourselves.
Yep. The level we're at now, it's going to be nigh-on impossible for a homegrown player to break through into the first time. We'll have a few in the squad over the years, I'm sure, but it's probably going to take a generational talent to actually become a first-team fixture. I'm sure our plan to recruit the best youth players into our academy, then sell them on, so be it.
If the youth system is going to be 90% about making money we can reinvest in the team, and 10% about developing players FOR the first team, I can live with that. Despite it feeling wrong on many levels.
I hope I'm proven wrong, and that our Champions League retaining side of 2031 contains half a dozen homegrown talents from the West Midlands area!
Post by: Drummond on April 07, 2025, 05:55:41 PM
Post by: Villa Lew on April 07, 2025, 06:18:05 PM
Post by: Gareth on April 07, 2025, 06:25:48 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 07, 2025, 06:36:58 PM
Post by: Mister E on April 07, 2025, 06:44:27 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on April 07, 2025, 07:42:06 PM
I mean, this is purely for fattening up for FFP. Let's not kid ourselves.
In the 2023-24 accounts, we spent £20m on the Academy.
We're going to try and recoup one way or another.
Post by: OCD on April 07, 2025, 07:46:10 PM
Post by: Gareth on April 07, 2025, 09:08:19 PM
He's the same age as Duran was when we signed him. Is he comparable? - isn't that now the benchmark?
Not really, youngsters develop at different speeds…Wilson doesn’t have the physique of Duran, few do at that age. He needs to follow his own path, pre season with first team and then see
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 07, 2025, 10:57:01 PM
https://x.com/kkasir23/status/1909322407036256737?s=46
(https://i.ibb.co/bRXcGLSk/IMG-5937.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bRXcGLSk)
Post by: eamonn on April 07, 2025, 11:08:22 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 08, 2025, 11:06:19 AM
He only turned 19 in January, so he'll be 21 when the 2yr deal comes to an end.
Not sure who has the option to excercise the 1 yr extension - Villa or Wilson
Anyway, we need to ensure that we don't end up in the same situation/stand-off in 2 years time. Train him hard from now until August and then integarate him into the first team - match day squad, 15 mins in Carabao Cup games?
If he's showing promise - loan him out in Jan and review his progress next summer.
I like him as a player, but not too sure of his character - after all, he gave Rangers the run around before joining us.
You say that like it's something to be concerned about, rather than a sign of excellent character.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 08, 2025, 11:54:22 AM
I like him as a player, but not too sure of his character - after all, he gave Rangers the run around before joining us.
You say that like it's something to be concerned about, rather than a sign of excellent character.
You'd expect nothing less from someone named Rory.
Post by: Rory on April 08, 2025, 12:00:36 PM
I like him as a player, but not too sure of his character - after all, he gave Rangers the run around before joining us.
You say that like it's something to be concerned about, rather than a sign of excellent character.
You'd expect nothing less from someone named Rory.
Natch.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 08, 2025, 12:04:31 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on April 08, 2025, 04:01:06 PM
He only turned 19 in January, so he'll be 21 when the 2yr deal comes to an end.
Not sure who has the option to excercise the 1 yr extension - Villa or Wilson
Anyway, we need to ensure that we don't end up in the same situation/stand-off in 2 years time. Train him hard from now until August and then integarate him into the first team - match day squad, 15 mins in Carabao Cup games?
If he's showing promise - loan him out in Jan and review his progress next summer.
I like him as a player, but not too sure of his character - after all, he gave Rangers the run around before joining us.
You say that like it's something to be concerned about, rather than a sign of excellent character.
TBF, being a pro footballer is a short life and I don't blame anybody for wanting to get the best deal that they can for themselves - after all most of us would consider a job change for more money.
However, whilst I don't give a monkeys about him messing Rangers around, I take great exception to anybody who tries it on with my club.
Post by: jwarry on April 08, 2025, 04:38:46 PM
A Pope once scored for Rangers.
Holy shit!