Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: olaftab on May 04, 2022, 10:55:24 AM
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When: Saturday 7 May Kick off 3PM
Venue: Turf Moor
Turf Moor has been the home of Burnley F.C. since 1883. This unbroken service makes Turf Moor the second-longest continuously used ground in English professional football. Not sure about the first longest but it's not Villa Park.
So when Michael Jackson took over Burnley I still predicted them to go down using a phrase "They are not going to turn into Barca 09/10". Well what do I know as they have done exactly that but Saturday is the day to end that nonsense. I expect Steven's Villa to win 2-0.
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Turf Moor has been the home of Burnley F.C. since 1883. This unbroken service makes Turf Moor the second-longest continuously used ground in English professional football. Not sure about the first longest but it's not Villa Park.
I believe it might be Bramall Lane although Deepdale also claims to be the oldest in 'continuous use'. Burnley have been wearing claret and blue since 1910 when they switched from an all green jersey to emulate the biggest club in the World.
Villa to win 2-0 also.
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Are we a "soft" team? Probably. 2-0 to Burnley.
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3-1
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I'm stuck between 2 schools of thought here, on the one hand I think Burnley will beat us away and we'll beat them at home but I also believe in sequences and, despite 3 wins on the bounce they are still a poor team so unlikely to make it 4.
So, naturally the draw would be favourite but then factor in our Manager's bewildering approach to team selection anything could happen. Konsa deserved to be dropped, didn't and gained a clean sheet but then was dropped and Bailey's inclusion confounds the sharpest football mind. I'd start with Ings as the only change from Saturday.
1-1
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Is Ben Mee available? Cripples one of ours every time we play there. I’d like to think we’ll win but fear they may have more desire and physical fight than us.
On paper we should win but it’s a funny old game.
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Is Ben Mee available? Cripples one of ours every time we play there. I’d like to think we’ll win but fear they may have more desire and physical fight than us.
On paper we should win but it’s a funny old game.
I'd like Mings or Cash to do one of their scissor tackles.
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They obviously feel vindicated in parting with SD and they have tried to play some football rather than the boring clogging stuff previously
We need to nulify them from having a good start and then we can beat them
2-0 us - Phil to turn up for this game after being missing recently
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2-0.
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Just win baby.
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Now we've stopped the rot I hope a bit of the swagger we showed against Leicester and Southampton returns. 3-0 to Villa.
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Is Ben Mee available? Cripples one of ours every time we play there. I’d like to think we’ll win but fear they may have more desire and physical fight than us.
On paper we should win but it’s a funny old game.
Apart from Wesley who else has he done this to?
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It's another draw for me.
2-2 with plenty of chances at both ends.
Mind you I'll have changed my mind before the weekend!
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Is Ben Mee available? Cripples one of ours every time we play there. I’d like to think we’ll win but fear they may have more desire and physical fight than us.
On paper we should win but it’s a funny old game.
Apart from Wesley who else has he done this to?
Nobody ;). He's actually only ever played against us one other time at Turf Moor, when he scored last season. Also, it's highly unlikely he will play on Saturday as he's been out for 2 months.
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Ben Mee is on their coaching staff now. Realised he was too dirty to be a player.
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Just win baby.
Now your smile is wearing thin
Seems you're trying not to lose
Since I'm not supposed to grin
All you've gotta do is....win
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Ings will probably start alright but it's Buendia that deserves a go. Maybe Gerrard will let Coutinho sit this one out with Buendia and Ings coming in for Bailey and Coutinho. I'd like to see Tim giving another go, his physical power would be useful against these cloggers but I'd say one of Nakamba or Luiz will come back in.
I'm not sure why really but I think this game could be filthy.
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Tough game, so sadly I can only see a Villa loss there.
Come on Villa boys aim for those 3 points!
UTV!
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New ground for me. Hoping for the win but would take a draw given their recent run and do them down here in a couple of weeks. I also anticipate a physical (dirty?) game. We do seem to mix it more under SG I think.
Also any parking suggestions for a decent getaway afterwards or recommendations for a spot of lunch (travelling with the wife) welcomed.
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Match their tenacity and with our extra quality we should win this.
Will we match it though? ::)
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Burnley have a belief to play to the final whistle.
And they will fall over at a slightest knock.
Look at the free kick that they got late on against Watford.
It was barely a touch but he knew where he was, so he fell over, and they scored from it.
Got to be wise to it.
And our players need to get away from any sight of the beach and play like they need the points, as we do. It's Liverpool and ManCity in a couple of weeks and I doubt we will get anything from those.
The two Burnley games are massive
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I have a feeling we'll go defensive with 10 men behind the ball. Goalless draw.
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Don’t fancy this one at all. Think they’ll be far too physical for us. 2-1 to them
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Yes too physical for Coutinho and Tim might not have the experience to deal with seasoned players.
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There's a recurring theme that implies they will be more physical than us.
However, we have had 74 yellow cards, Burnley 63; we have had 3 red cards, Burnley just one.
We are 3rd in the poor disciplinary table, well behind Leeds, but we should be able to overtake Newcastle as we have a game in hand ;)
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But physical implies there stronger, not that they foul more
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I know yellow cards and fouls are not everything, but I guess they do give an indication of physicality (or maybe just bad play!). Either way, I am not sure that physicality should be a key factor to win the game; if a team gets too physical, by rights, the issuing of cards should be a deterrent.
Determination and effort are much more likely to count, as well as skill of course. If we can apply those three factors, we should be ok, but it's just that we don't do them consistently either.
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Is Ben Mee available? Cripples one of ours every time we play there. I’d like to think we’ll win but fear they may have more desire and physical fight than us.
On paper we should win but it’s a funny old game.
Apart from Wesley who else has he done this to?
He broke Joe Gomez's leg with a snide scissor tackle designed to cause injury. He's a dirty ******.
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Don't worry, he may not play again. Let's hope that's the case.
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But physical implies there stronger, not that they foul more
Are they really that more physical than us? They've got that big lump up front but nothing that Mings shouldn't be able to handle. There's that dirty cheating shit Mee, but don't think he'll be playing. Most of our players can handle themselves these days.
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Didn't Mee see off Grealish last season as well?
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Didn't Mee see off Grealish last season as well?
No, Grealish didn't play for 3 months after the game at Brighton in February.
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Win this and we're pretty much mathematically safe
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Ah I thought it was at Burnley he got hurt. I can remember people decades old stuff like Shaun Teale getting injured by fish tanks and John Fashanu leaving the ground for emergency dental work but more recent stuff can be a blur sometimes.
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Using my big calculator for little fingers...
If they win all their games..
Burnley & Leeds can have 46 and Everton get 47
Which means Villa, Brentford & Southampton need 6 points from their last games to be safe, but thats not really how it goes.
If Everton just get 9 points ( and thats pushing it) V,B & S need only 1 or 2 points. Win or draw at Burnley and we should be safe
And I think Everton are "doomed"
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If we don't lose to Burnley we're even safer than we are now.
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No "should be" about it with a win, really. We'll be nine points ahead of them with only three games left, and they'd need to overhaul a GD of at least 15 to get past us on that metric.
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They’re better without Dyche and have the so called “momentum” but still think we’ll get something here. 1-1 for me
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A tough tight game, hopefully our class will show. Buendia to start ahead of Phil, I'd get Marv in too.
Hopefully Mee rips his foreskin in his jeans zip.
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Time for Phil to shine.No excuses.
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I can see Burnley winning this one due to the circumstances and it's away.
I think could be different story if needed the points but match more important to them and expecting some disjointed performance with Gerrard bemoaning how our players aren't aggressive enough.
Would like this season finished to be fair and just see what ca be achieved next season
Been underwhelming have to say and gonna be more of this till end of season in my eye
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Big win for Villa, goals from Coutinho, Watkins and Ings plus a third successive clean sheet.
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I can see Burnley winning this one due to the circumstances and it's away.
I think could be different story if needed the points but match more important to them and expecting some disjointed performance with Gerrard bemoaning how our players aren't aggressive enough.
Would like this season finished to be fair and just see what ca be achieved next season
Been underwhelming have to say and gonna be more of this till end of season in my eye
Did Norwich not need the points more than us?
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Burnley will fancy staying up as they are playing us twice and for all intents and purposes we are possibly/maybe/probably on the beach…at least a little bit.
Not sure football always works out like that and despite their good run their near the bottom because their players aren’t that good. They may just have hit form too early. With the run ins i actually fancy Everton to get out of this and the final
Place to be between Burnley and Leeds. Leeds have a horrendous run in with Arsenal, Chelsea and an in form Brighton.
Anyway a sneaky 3-1 Villa in the image of Sheff Weds 2019, a couple of late goals from Ings and an earlier one from Watkins.
Martinez
Digne
Mings
Chambers
Cash
Nakamba
Mcginn
Ramsey
Coutinhio
Ings
Watkins
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I can see Burnley winning this one due to the circumstances and it's away.
I think could be different story if needed the points but match more important to them and expecting some disjointed performance with Gerrard bemoaning how our players aren't aggressive enough.
Would like this season finished to be fair and just see what ca be achieved next season
Been underwhelming have to say and gonna be more of this till end of season in my eye
Did Norwich not need the points more than us?
Burnley do have momentum, are at home and aren't as shit, in fairness.
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Plus we always beat Norwich and we rarely beat Burnley. We should beat these hod carriers home and away, mind.
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Nailed on home win.
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0-0 another clean sheet
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1-1. We'll take the lead in the first half and they'll level in the second.
Would be a decent point.
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Ah I thought it was at Burnley he got hurt. I can remember people decades old stuff like Shaun Teale getting injured by fish tanks and John Fashanu leaving the ground for emergency dental work but more recent stuff can be a blur sometimes.
Yep, that’s how memory works, pal. I can remember the score and most of the scorers from every Cup Final in the 80s, but I’m patchy from about 2002 onwards.
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Marked this as a defeat in the ‘Our run in’ thread, with a total of 4 points.
I always tend to mark low for us when predicting, so anything else is a bonus.
They’re on a good run at the moment, but it will end as they’re not a great team. Why not us?
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Ah I thought it was at Burnley he got hurt. I can remember people decades old stuff like Shaun Teale getting injured by fish tanks and John Fashanu leaving the ground for emergency dental work but more recent stuff can be a blur sometimes.
Yep, that’s how memory works, pal. I can remember the score and most of the scorers from every Cup Final in the 80s, but I’m patchy from about 2002 onwards.
I can do that with Villa games between 88 to maybe 2007 ish. Although the championship seasons I remember quite vividly too, even the first one which was the worst.
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I'm going to this I reckon we will win 2-1
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A tough 1-0 win for Villa.
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They will be well up for it, we have no pressure as such just that we need to have the best possible finish to the season we can. We should win but a draw is the likely outcome.
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Win this and we're pretty much mathematically safe
This, but it's one of our bogey grounds though.
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An octogenarian Joe Cole once scored for us there in a team that probably also contained Kieron Richardson and Karim El Ahmadi. On that basis, I possess a renewed confidence.
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Gone for a Villa win. Scrappy 1-2. 3 pts - JD.
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Time we beat these.
3-1 Villa.
FTF
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Interested to know what grounds have people on Villa winning this one. I mean what's the basis exactly?
I know every game is essential, and literally a one off on the day, as it were but, away at Burnley who are very much on the incline- as opposed to our disjointed lack of coherence and tepid displays for a full 90mins, well I don't see we have gumtion for the win. Perhaps true, purely based on playing personnel well yes technical, we win but, I see a greater issue with our team just now . It's the style of play and slow pondering tedium that occurs in our games.
I want the season over and have mild hopes and intrigue for summer ahead and what may be possible next season.
Up the Villa.
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Interested to know what grounds have people on Villa winning this one. I mean what's the basis exactly?
I know every game is essential, and literally a one off on the day, as it were but, away at Burnley who are very much on the incline- as opposed to our disjointed lack of coherence and tepid displays for a full 90mins, well I don't see we have gumtion for the win. Perhaps true, purely based on playing personnel well yes technical, we win but, I see a greater issue with our team just now . It's the style of play and slow pondering tedium that occurs in our games.
I want the season over and have mild hopes and intrigue for summer ahead and what may be possible next season.
Up the Villa.
I think its called supporting a team that doesn’t win every week. I have a hope that we’ll win most games every season, there are very few where beforehand i think we’ll definitely lose.
Im well aware that statistically and historically this is completely delusional and irrational. But unless your a glory hunting twat, e.g. a brummie wearing. Liverpool shirt (swap for any of the sky super six), then supporting a team is a bit irrational, its the hope and all that.
On this sunnyish Thursday afternoon, i dont care that we haven’t played that well for 5 or 6 weeks, or that Burnley have pulled some results out the bag lately, today I believe we’ll win on Saturday and for the moment thats good enough for me.
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Interested to know what grounds have people on Villa winning this one. I mean what's the basis exactly?
Aston Villa is my religion; Villa Park is my church.
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Emi
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
Nakamba
McGinn Ramsey
Buendia
Ings Watkins
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Good to see the word "gumtion (sic)" being used on H&V. Shows proper gumption.
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Yes, it’s impossible to imagine how we’ll beat a team below us in the table who have been shit for almost the entire season.
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Burnley's remaining games after this one are Spurs away, Villa away and Newcastle home, so clearly they are looking at this match as a 'must win match'. From listening to the Norwich game on Villa TV and from what I've heard elsewhere and also Burnley's recent form, we almost certainly need an improved performance. if we are to get anything from the match.
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Exactly I'm taking the logical process regards this game to dampen any disappointment.
Burnley have won their last 3 home matches but to even things out regards our quality Vs circumstances maybe a draw despite my thoughts of a loss.
I still have days to come round to think a win but just a bit loss faith at the moment with team and direction
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I think we will struggle away but beat them at home.
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Burnley 0 Villa 2
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Burnley 1 Aston Villa 5
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Yes, it’s impossible to imagine how we’ll beat a team below us in the table who have been shit for almost their entire existence.
Hope you don't mind my correction.
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Exactly I'm taking the logical process regards this game to dampen any disappointment.
Burnley have won their last 3 home matches but to even things out regards our quality Vs circumstances maybe a draw despite my thoughts of a loss.
I still have days to come round to think a win but just a bit loss faith at the moment with team and direction
Hope you do come round. We need your optimism.
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Yes, it’s impossible to imagine how we’ll beat a team below us in the table who have been shit for almost their entire existence.
Hope you don't mind my correction.
In fairness they spent a large chunk of their existence nowhere near as shit as a club of their size should be, and decidedly less shit than our nearest and dearest, admittedly a low bar.
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Interested to know what grounds have people on Villa winning this one. I mean what's the basis exactly?
I know every game is essential, and literally a one off on the day, as it were but, away at Burnley who are very much on the incline- as opposed to our disjointed lack of coherence and tepid displays for a full 90mins, well I don't see we have gumtion for the win. Perhaps true, purely based on playing personnel well yes technical, we win but, I see a greater issue with our team just now . It's the style of play and slow pondering tedium that occurs in our games.
I want the season over and have mild hopes and intrigue for summer ahead and what may be possible next season.
Up the Villa.
Because to misquote Motorhead, Live to Win, Born to lose.
I want Villa to win every game and certainly dont prescribe to the glass half empty, all is doomed view. We have been shocking this season at times but lets not write ourselves off yet.
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Weren't Burnley like half-decent in the 60's or so ?
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Weren't Burnley like half-decent in the 60's or so ?
Yep.
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They won the league and finished runner-up two years later. I'd settle for that level of shit.
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If you're impressed by Burnley having a couple of years not being shit, 60 odd years ago, then surely you'd be equally impressed by the Albion or the Wolves. And nobody is impressed by them.
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If you're impressed by Burnley having a couple of years not being shit, 60 odd years ago, then surely you'd be equally impressed by the Albion or the Wolves. And nobody is impressed by them.
As I have always said, them in stripes are the biggest club in our history and we've had our moments with Wolves.
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If you're impressed by Burnley having a couple of years not being shit, 60 odd years ago, then surely you'd be equally impressed by the Albion or the Wolves. And nobody is impressed by them.
As I have always said, them in stripes are the biggest club in our history and we've had our moments with Wolves.
That sounds close to a compliment about them you know!
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If you're impressed by Burnley having a couple of years not being shit, 60 odd years ago, then surely you'd be equally impressed by the Albion or the Wolves. And nobody is impressed by them.
As I have always said, them in stripes are the biggest club in our history and we've had our moments with Wolves.
That sounds close to a compliment about them you know!
It's the truth. We've had more big games against the Albion than any other club. In fact, you could argue that we've had more in the past eight seasons than we have against Small Heath in almost 150 years.
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Thugs 2.1 Us.
Their pecker is up.
I had a dream the other night we were playing Wolves is this game and we beat them 1.0
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If you're impressed by Burnley having a couple of years not being shit, 60 odd years ago, then surely you'd be equally impressed by the Albion or the Wolves. And nobody is impressed by them.
As I have always said, them in stripes are the biggest club in our history and we've had our moments with Wolves.
That sounds close to a compliment about them you know!
It's the truth. We've had more big games against the Albion than any other club. In fact, you could argue that we've had more in the past eight seasons than we have against Small Heath in almost 150 years.
Quarter final in 2010 and the derby in 2019 were the only big games for us. You could argue that the League Cup in 93/94, with it being the 2nd round wasn't particularly big in context. Then it's back to the League Cup in 63 and I'm not sure how much stock anybody put in it then.
The 2 Play Off games were obviously massive for us against Sandwell. Their "bestest team ever" finished 4th and we won the league, so big shrug. But beyond that we're going back generations to Ronnie Allen relegating us and before that, events of 100+ years.
Wouldn't disagree that there's history, I just don't think there's too many alive and kicking who've ever seen our local rivals actually matter an iota to us in competitive terms, beyond a handful of games, if that.
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Burnley have injuries, but not sure how many of those are first choice for their starting 11
We are more or less injury free.
It will come down to who wants it more
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So definitely not us then?
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Why don't we want it?
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Bailey and House out. Ramsey a big doubt.
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If you're impressed by Burnley having a couple of years not being shit, 60 odd years ago, then surely you'd be equally impressed by the Albion or the Wolves. And nobody is impressed by them.
As I have always said, them in stripes are the biggest club in our history and we've had our moments with Wolves.
That sounds close to a compliment about them you know!
It's the truth. We've had more big games against the Albion than any other club. In fact, you could argue that we've had more in the past eight seasons than we have against Small Heath in almost 150 years.
Being from the shires, I always saw Albion as the next biggest club in the area (tho very much in "tallest dwarf" territory), on the basis that met Albion supporters every so often. Whilst I knew the odd Wolves supporter, of the folk who actually lived in Wolverhampton most of them supported someone else. Blues were a bit like Walsall where I only knew one person who supported them, and they didn't go to games.
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We're much better than Burnley and I want us to show it. The last couple of results have been good, but we all know we are capable of playing better. This is a great opportunity to show that we were never in a relagation fight and that we are far too good for the likes of Burnley.
I should say that I haven't watched Burnley at all this season, and certainly not since they sacked their manager, so I don't know too much about them or how they'll play - but I imagine we'll have to fight to earn the right to play football. Get that done and I want us to tear them apart. Control the game - we don't do that enough - and make our chances count.
It feels like things are tunring around in our favour again - this is a great chance to prove that. A draw/loss here and those creeping doubts will be back (1 win in 7, only beat Norwich etc etc), so let's make sure that doesn't happen.
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Bailey and House out. Ramsey a big doubt.
May be an opportunity to try Phil Buendia Ollie and Ings in the same team?
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Yes, it’s impossible to imagine how we’ll beat a team below us in the table who have been shit for almost their entire existence.
Hope you don't mind my correction.
I'm always amazed there isn't much much more resepect given and made of the 12 founding members of the football league. The vulgarisation of Prem has part seem to that.
But for football history and tradition Aston Villa of course plus likes of Burnley should be far more honoured and respected in English football history. I think it's noted the prestige we have and they occasionally through up the fact for likes of Everton , Sheff Utd or WBA to suit the narrative when they are ever in these relegation from top league danger but maybe it's always been like that as time has evolved
Anyway think my point is Burnley are a good old club and that really for traditional English football lovers this match Vs our great selves should be celebrated and have far more coverage than it gets.
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It’s 2 inconsistent teams. We’ve won 5 more games than Burnley but they’ve lost 3 fewer than us this season and they’ve just won 3 in a row. It would be an excellent result for us if we win up there but not something anyone can be confident about.
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Yes, it’s impossible to imagine how we’ll beat a team below us in the table who have been shit for almost their entire existence.
Hope you don't mind my correction.
I'm always amazed there isn't much much more resepect given and made of the 12 founding members of the football league. The vulgarisation of Prem has part seem to that.
But for football history and tradition Aston Villa of course plus likes of Burnley should be far more honoured and respected in English football history. I think it's noted the prestige we have and they occasionally through up the fact for likes of Everton , Sheff Utd or WBA to suit the narrative when they are ever in these relegation from top league danger but maybe it's always been like that as time has evolved
Anyway think my point is Burnley are a good old club and that really for traditional English football lovers this match Vs our great selves should be celebrated and have far more coverage than it gets.
If I think Tottenham are shithouse post code lottery merchants, who've not won the title since colour television was invented, why would I want to be generous to a side who have won and done even less? They're a bunch of racist Tory voting bastards, who've stunk the league out with their thuggish and diabolical football for the past few years, since they remerged from the lower league swamp that they ought to disappear back into. Fuck Burnley, fuck Tottenham too. Ben Mee is vulgar. I hope we smash them into next week.
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I should say that I haven't watched Burnley at all this season, and certainly not since they sacked their manager, so I don't know too much about them or how they'll play - but I imagine we'll have to fight to earn the right to play football. Get that done and I want us to tear them apart. Control the game - we don't do that enough - and make our chances count.
A Burnley supporting mate has recently described them as "entertaining" (last match) and "main thing today was that we actually played football and we out fought them" (previous match). He was all prepared and actually looking forward to seeing them in the Championship but since Dyche has gone he's changed his mind.
I know it's difficult to imagine Burnley playing decent football but hopefully they won't be trying to kick us all over the pitch tomorrow.
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If I think Tottenham are shithouse post code lottery merchants, who've not won the title since colour television was invented, why would I want to be generous to a side who have won and done even less? They're a bunch of racist Tory voting bastards, who've stunk the league out with their thuggish and diabolical football for the past few years, since they remerged from the lower league swamp that they ought to disappear back into. Fuck Burnley, fuck Tottenham too. Ben Mee is vulgar. I hope we smash them into next week.
Well, let's hope the Villa team have as much passion for tomorrow's game as you have, Ads!
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I'd bring Emi and Marv in for Bailey and Tim and if Ramsey is not fit, Sanson.
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Martinez
Cash
Chambers
Mings
Digne
Marv
McGinn
Luiz
Coutinho
Buendia
Watkins
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Yes, it’s impossible to imagine how we’ll beat a team below us in the table who have been shit for almost their entire existence.
Hope you don't mind my correction.
I'm always amazed there isn't much much more resepect given and made of the 12 founding members of the football league. The vulgarisation of Prem has part seem to that.
But for football history and tradition Aston Villa of course plus likes of Burnley should be far more honoured and respected in English football history. I think it's noted the prestige we have and they occasionally through up the fact for likes of Everton , Sheff Utd or WBA to suit the narrative when they are ever in these relegation from top league danger but maybe it's always been like that as time has evolved
Anyway think my point is Burnley are a good old club and that really for traditional English football lovers this match Vs our great selves should be celebrated and have far more coverage than it gets.
If I think Tottenham are shithouse post code lottery merchants, who've not won the title since colour television was invented, why would I want to be generous to a side who have won and done even less? They're a bunch of racist Tory voting bastards, who've stunk the league out with their thuggish and diabolical football for the past few years, since they remerged from the lower league swamp that they ought to disappear back into. Fuck Burnley, fuck Tottenham too. Ben Mee is vulgar. I hope we smash them into next week.
Have you had an epiphany, Ads?!
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Good on you Ads, keep the red flag flying high comrade!
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I'm always amazed there isn't much much more resepect given and made of the 12 founding members of the football league. The vulgarisation of Prem has part seem to that.
But for football history and tradition Aston Villa of course plus likes of Burnley should be far more honoured and respected in English football history. I think it's noted the prestige we have and they occasionally through up the fact for likes of Everton , Sheff Utd or WBA to suit the narrative when they are ever in these relegation from top league danger but maybe it's always been like that as time has evolved
Anyway think my point is Burnley are a good old club and that really for traditional English football lovers this match Vs our great selves should be celebrated and have far more coverage than it gets.
If I think Tottenham are shithouse post code lottery merchants, who've not won the title since colour television was invented, why would I want to be generous to a side who have won and done even less? They're a bunch of racist Tory voting bastards, who've stunk the league out with their thuggish and diabolical football for the past few years, since they remerged from the lower league swamp that they ought to disappear back into. Fuck Burnley, fuck Tottenham too. Ben Mee is vulgar. I hope we smash them into next week.
Have you had an epiphany, Ads?!
I assumed it was either satire or his account had been hacked. I agree with him on Spurs but like FV don't mind Burnley.
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Good on you Ads, keep the red flag flying high comrade!
Rule 1: know your audience.
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If you're impressed by Burnley having a couple of years not being shit, 60 odd years ago, then surely you'd be equally impressed by the Albion or the Wolves. And nobody is impressed by them.
As I have always said, them in stripes are the biggest club in our history and we've had our moments with Wolves.
That sounds close to a compliment about them you know!
It's the truth. We've had more big games against the Albion than any other club. In fact, you could argue that we've had more in the past eight seasons than we have against Small Heath in almost 150 years.
Quarter final in 2010 and the derby in 2019 were the only big games for us. You could argue that the League Cup in 93/94, with it being the 2nd round wasn't particularly big in context. Then it's back to the League Cup in 63 and I'm not sure how much stock anybody put in it then.
The 2 Play Off games were obviously massive for us against Sandwell. Their "bestest team ever" finished 4th and we won the league, so big shrug. But beyond that we're going back generations to Ronnie Allen relegating us and before that, events of 100+ years.
Wouldn't disagree that there's history, I just don't think there's too many alive and kicking who've ever seen our local rivals actually matter an iota to us in competitive terms, beyond a handful of games, if that.
Take out the name of the opposition and for Small Heath you have a League Cup quarter final in 2010-11 and a final in the same competition that we treated so importantly we knocked a stand down the week before.
Against Albion there's the play-offs (lose them and who knows what would have happened), our first home FA Cup quarter final in almost sixty years, before that the Brendan Batson backpass game, then loads more over the years In fact, it was only in about 1998 that us two lost the record of the most-played FA Cup final. As is often the case, Peter Morris sums it up far better than I - "what a fascinating pattern their blue and white stripes have woven into Villa's history".
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If you're impressed by Burnley having a couple of years not being shit, 60 odd years ago, then surely you'd be equally impressed by the Albion or the Wolves. And nobody is impressed by them.
As I have always said, them in stripes are the biggest club in our history and we've had our moments with Wolves.
That sounds close to a compliment about them you know!
It's the truth. We've had more big games against the Albion than any other club. In fact, you could argue that we've had more in the past eight seasons than we have against Small Heath in almost 150 years.
Quarter final in 2010 and the derby in 2019 were the only big games for us. You could argue that the League Cup in 93/94, with it being the 2nd round wasn't particularly big in context. Then it's back to the League Cup in 63 and I'm not sure how much stock anybody put in it then.
The 2 Play Off games were obviously massive for us against Sandwell. Their "bestest team ever" finished 4th and we won the league, so big shrug. But beyond that we're going back generations to Ronnie Allen relegating us and before that, events of 100+ years.
Wouldn't disagree that there's history, I just don't think there's too many alive and kicking who've ever seen our local rivals actually matter an iota to us in competitive terms, beyond a handful of games, if that.
Take out the name of the opposition and for Small Heath you have a League Cup quarter final in 2010-11 and a final in the same competition that we treated so importantly we knocked a stand down the week before.
Against Albion there's the play-offs (lose them and who knows what would have happened), our first home FA Cup quarter final in almost sixty years, before that the Brendan Batson backpass game, then loads more over the years In fact, it was only in about 1998 that us two lost the record of the most-played FA Cup final. As is often the case, Peter Morris sums it up far better than I - "what a fascinating pattern their blue and white stripes have woven into Villa's history".
No I agree with the Noses. Its always been a case of us willing dragging ourselves down to their level by and large.
A question for you, would we have tolerated Ellis ticking us over like a corner shop quite as long as we did through the 90s (missing our big chance) if say the Albion or the Wolves had been competitive? Or out another way, did all of our neighbours being absolutely woeful for 20 odd years, let us off the hook.
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Absolutely that was one of our biggest problems. We were happy to be the biggest club in the region and I lost count of the number of times I heard that if it wasn't for Ellis we'd have been like them. I didn't know how that worked then and I still don't
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Under Ellis we basked in the superiority over our neighbours but mediocrity in respect of our peers.
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2-0 loss. They are in form and have everything to fight for, we are .. well, the opposite
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What's Michael Jackson had to say about the Villa in his pre-match presser? Beat It?
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We're crap at Turf Moor usually and always seem to get ref's that are happy for them to mow down our players. So fancy Burnley to nick it.
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What's Michael Jackson had to say about the Villa in his pre-match presser? Beat It?
Hopefully, it'll be a thriller.
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What's Michael Jackson had to say about the Villa in his pre-match presser? Beat It?
Hopefully, it'll be a thriller.
Oh no. Not again. You don't wanna be startin' somethin'.
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Burnley are looking to win consecutive league games against Aston Villa for the first time since January 1973, following their 3-2 win in this exact fixture last season.
Aston Villa have won just one of their last 26 away league games against Burnley (D6 L19), winning 2-1 in January 2020.
The eight Premier League meetings between Burnley and Aston Villa have alternated between a draw (4) and a victory for either side (2 each), with Burnley winning the last match 3-2 in January 2021.
Burnley and Aston Villa will face each other for the first time in this Premier League campaign. This is the latest into a season two top-flight teams are meeting for their first league game since 1987-88, when Luton and Nottingham Forest met for the first time on 13th May.
Burnley are looking to secure four consecutive Premier League victories for the first time since April 2018 (a run of five), while they've won as many points in their four games under Michael Jackson as they had in their previous 10 under Sean Dyche (10).
Each of Aston Villa's last six Premier League wins have seen them keep a clean sheet, with the Villans winless in 11 games when conceding at least once (D2 L9).
Aston Villa have conceded a league-high 22% of their Premier League goals in the opening 15 minutes of games this season (10/46), with only Norwich (11) shipping more such goals overall. Meanwhile, only Man City (20%) have scored a higher share of their goals in the opening 15 minutes than Burnley (19% - 6/31).
Burnley are unbeaten in their four Premier League matches under Michael Jackson so far; only three managers in the club's history have remained unbeaten in their first five league games in charge - Frank Casper (1983), Jimmy Mullen (1991) and Owen Coyle (2007).
Ollie Watkins has nine Premier League goals this season. He could become the first Aston Villa player to score 10+ in consecutive top-flight campaigns since Christian Benteke (3 between 2012-13 and 2014-15), and the first Englishman to do so for the club since Gabriel Agbonlahor (3 between 2007-08 and 2009-10).
Former Burnley striker Danny Ings has scored in his last three Premier League appearances against the Clarets. The only player to score in four consecutive Premier League appearances against a team they've previously played for in the competition was Craig Bellamy vs Newcastle United (2007 - 2011).
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What's Michael Jackson had to say about the Villa in his pre-match presser? Beat It?
Hopefully, it'll be a thriller.
Oh no. Not again. You don't wanna be startin' somethin'.
He said he won’t be Blowing Bubbles.
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9 Bournemouth Lions on our way up. A34 closed!! Hopefully the game will be better than the journey so far.
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Think J10 of the M6 is shut too.
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I've not been feeling very confident about this all week to be honest but who knows, last weeks win may have done us the world of good and took the pressure off a little. We'll need to match their work rate and fight because they looked up for it from what I saw of them on MOTD last week. 1-2 to us though. Ings and Mings for us.
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Think J10 of the M6 is shut too.
said on BBC website that you get off junction 10, drive over the island and straight back onto the motorway, but it's looking like traffic backing up already
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What's Michael Jackson had to say about the Villa in his pre-match presser? Beat It?
They don't care about us. Probably think we're Dangerous.
As for Gerrard, it's clear what he'll be telling our lot; don't stop til you get enough.
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We have a poor away record at Burnley and I csn't see that changing, 2-1 home win.
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1-1 draw
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Happy with a draw, hopefully players up for a fight a la Everton away.
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We have a poor away record at Burnley and I csn't see that changing, 2-1 home win.
Was that an album track?
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Since we've been back in the Premier League, we've won one and lost one up there, and the one we lost we shouldn't have, it was another Wolves style chucking it away performance. The way people are talking you'd think it was Man City away.
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Since we've been back in the Premier League, we've won one and lost one up there, and the one we lost we shouldn't have, it was another Wolves style chucking it away performance. The way people are talking you'd think it was Man City away.
I think it's because we do tend to make hard work of playing against teams we should beat. I can understand why people might think it'll be a tough game.
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Since we've been back in the Premier League, we've won one and lost one up there, and the one we lost we shouldn't have, it was another Wolves style chucking it away performance. The way people are talking you'd think it was Man City away.
For me it's the manner of our non-victories. On more than one occasion we've absolutely battered them and they've somehow scraped a draw or even a win. Our one win was somewhat Pyrrhic as they crocked our goalkeeper and centre-forward.
So they have a jinxy, jammy bastard feel to them. Coupled with being the sort of dirty shitebags we've often struggled against (2010s Stoke, 90s Leicester, 80s Wimbledon).
Still, I feel better about this after last week. Worst case scenario is we lose and it fucks Everton and/or Leeds up. We shouldn't have too much to worry about anyway.
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Since we've been back in the Premier League, we've won one and lost one up there, and the one we lost we shouldn't have, it was another Wolves style chucking it away performance. The way people are talking you'd think it was Man City away.
For me it's the manner of our non-victories. On more than one occasion we've absolutely battered them and they've somehow scraped a draw or even a win. Our one win was somewhat Pyrrhic as they crocked our goalkeeper and centre-forward.
So they have a jinxy, jammy bastard feel to them. Coupled with being the sort of dirty shitebags we've often struggled against (2010s Stoke, 90s Leicester, 80s Wimbledon).
Still, I feel better about this after last week. Worst case scenario is we lose and it fucks Everton and/or Leeds up. We shouldn't have too much to worry about anyway.
There wasn't a Burnley player anywhere near Heaton, he fell back and knackered himself.
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Think J10 of the M6 is shut too.
said on BBC website that you get off junction 10, drive over the island and straight back onto the motorway, but it's looking like traffic backing up already
Pain in the arse the roadworks on the M6. Average 50mph from 21 up to 26, so I'll jib the Rainford bypass and go 58 to M6. One of the few times being oop narf works out.
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Since we've been back in the Premier League, we've won one and lost one up there, and the one we lost we shouldn't have, it was another Wolves style chucking it away performance. The way people are talking you'd think it was Man City away.
For me it's the manner of our non-victories. On more than one occasion we've absolutely battered them and they've somehow scraped a draw or even a win. Our one win was somewhat Pyrrhic as they crocked our goalkeeper and centre-forward.
So they have a jinxy, jammy bastard feel to them. Coupled with being the sort of dirty shitebags we've often struggled against (2010s Stoke, 90s Leicester, 80s Wimbledon).
Still, I feel better about this after last week. Worst case scenario is we lose and it fucks Everton and/or Leeds up. We shouldn't have too much to worry about anyway.
There wasn't a Burnley player anywhere near Heaton, he fell back and knackered himself.
Only because he was trying to avoid Ben Mee.
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Not for the first time this season, it'll hinge on whether or not our attackers have put their scoring boots on. For once, pleeeease Villa, bury the first chance we get. That'd make a huge difference.
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Since we've been back in the Premier League, we've won one and lost one up there, and the one we lost we shouldn't have, it was another Wolves style chucking it away performance. The way people are talking you'd think it was Man City away.
For me it's the manner of our non-victories. On more than one occasion we've absolutely battered them and they've somehow scraped a draw or even a win. Our one win was somewhat Pyrrhic as they crocked our goalkeeper and centre-forward.
So they have a jinxy, jammy bastard feel to them. Coupled with being the sort of dirty shitebags we've often struggled against (2010s Stoke, 90s Leicester, 80s Wimbledon).
Still, I feel better about this after last week. Worst case scenario is we lose and it fucks Everton and/or Leeds up. We shouldn't have too much to worry about anyway.
There wasn't a Burnley player anywhere near Heaton, he fell back and knackered himself.
That 1st half up there last year and some of the second half, was some of the most sublime football ive seen from Villa in 30 years, just tore them to shreads and Grealish had that run from the half way line that would of been goal of any season and somehow we threw it away and lost 3-2. Id take playing half as well as that and turning this lot over today.
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We have a poor away record at Burnley and I csn't see that changing, 2-1 home win.
Jeepers, I've just looked it up. We've got a better record at Old Trafford! ONE league win at Turf Moor since the war.
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Burnley win, obvs.
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A 43 mile drive for me: it's overcast and cool.
When we did beat them on NYD 2020, we played really well and they never really looked like beating us. Today, as others have said, it'll be whether we are mentally up for it or on the beach.
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We have a poor away record at Burnley and I csn't see that changing, 2-1 home win.
Jeepers, I've just looked it up. We've got a better record at Old Trafford! ONE league win at Turf Moor since the war.
Another equally valid statement is that they've only beaten us at home in the league once in the last 50 years.
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Ben Mee is on their coaching staff now. Realised he was too dirty to be a player.
I'm perfectly OK with one of our subs scissor tackling him on the touchline.
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We have a poor away record at Burnley and I csn't see that changing, 2-1 home win.
Jeepers, I've just looked it up. We've got a better record at Old Trafford! ONE league win at Turf Moor since the war.
Another equally valid statement is that they've only beaten us at home in the league once in the last 50 years.
I think we're all agreed then that historically it's a fixture where being at home almost guarantees a point.
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Burnley win, obvs.
3-0 at least.
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Sounds like Ramsey is a doubt so I'd go Nakamba-Luiz-McGinn in midfield. Or Sanson in for McGinn if Gerard wants to experiment and give him one last chance to make an impact
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Ramsey's definitely out...My friend has just got a picture with him in the Bistro at Sutton Park
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A 43 mile drive for me: it's overcast and cool.
When we did beat them on NYD 2020, we played really well and they never really looked like beating us. Today, as others have said, it'll be whether we are mentally up for it or on the beach.
Best wishes to you bring us luck
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Ramsey's definitely out...My friend has just got a picture with him in the Bistro at Sutton Park
Saving him for Liverpool Tuesday hopefully
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Sounds like Ramsey is a doubt so I'd go Nakamba-Luiz-McGinn in midfield. Or Sanson in for McGinn if Gerard wants to experiment and give him one last chance to make an impact
Nice in theory but practicality Vs Burnley away and after his previous attitude I think Sanson is done. That's disappointing as he has footballing ability but hasn't settled in at all really.
If Villa sign Boubacar Kamara then he knows him to play alongside many that could be the hope
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Five at the fucking back?
Fuck off Gerrard.
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Five at the fucking back?
Fuck off Gerrard.
unless Chambers is playing defensive midfield?
Not sure - will be interesting to see how it lines up
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I wonder if Chambers is holding the midfield?
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Imagine thinking playing an extra centre half against a shit team like Burnley is a better idea than playing Coutinho and Buendia together for once.
Literally the only thing I liked about Gerrard when we appointed him was that he never plays five at the sodding back.
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Five at the fucking back?
Fuck off Gerrard.
I'm reading that lineup as Chambers at dm. Hadn't even considered 5 at the back. Shocking if that's what it is.
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Maybe, has he ever played there? And is he better than Iroegbunam or Nakamba?
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Maybe the plan is to wait until we are 2-Nil down then bring on Phil...
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I'm not surprised. He's a pragmatic. Boring looks to grind out 1-0 wins.
Also practicing for Liverpool and having backs to wall defending. Gosh wish season was over.
Back to the 3-5-2 is it?
This guy Gerrard ain't fooling me!
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Maybe, has he ever played there? And is he better than Iroegbunam or Nakamba?
Yeah, for Fulham.
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Maybe, has he ever played there? And is he better than Iroegbunam or Nakamba?
guess we'll find out later either way :)
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Tbf we do concede the most goals in first 15 minutes in games in league that being 10 goals so maybe there's something in it to quell that potent Burnley attacking prowess early on
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Wonder what's up with Nakamba, he was looking good under Gerrard as were the results. He gets injured, we look shitter, he's fit again but can't get in the team.
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Maybe, has he ever played there? And is he better than Iroegbunam or Nakamba?
Yeah, for Fulham.
He won their player of the year in that position as well so who knows? Might work.
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Maybe, has he ever played there? And is he better than Iroegbunam or Nakamba?
Yeah, for Fulham.
He won their player of the year in that position as well so who knows? Might work.
Relegated though and only acknowledged because he showed that character of fight which automatically wins people over when team is struggling. If he was getting cards he was giving away pens.
So he fouled his way through that role at Fulham.
Gerrard will expect him to foul his way this if he's actually playing DM.
Find us we're only gonna get more aggressive under this manager. Competitive is fine but I not sure I like this direction
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Wonder what's up with Nakamba, he was looking good under Gerrard as were the results. He gets injured, we look shitter, he's fit again but can't get in the team.
I can only assume he's not fit enough to start. Hopefully we can put this to bed early on, and he can get a good runout.