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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Risso on April 27, 2022, 07:41:21 AM
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Aston Villa vs Norwich City
Sat 30 April
3pm
Big game this, chance to win one of those important games in hand and move up the table a bit for us, and Norwich have to win as otherwise they could be down if other results go against them. Lose and the knives will be really out for Gerrard.
I'm going for a battering, 4-0 Villa.
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Relegating Deano at Villa Park will be quite sad.
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The Dean factor definitely adds a bit of spice, but this really should be a comfortable win.
Buendia needs to start for so many reasons.
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2-1 to Norwich.
They'll just have a little bit too much for us.
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2-1 to Norwich.
They'll just have a little bit too much for us.
Lez be avin yer.
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It all feels a bit Groundhog Day at the moment in terms of the managers approach, team selection, reaction after the game etc etc but this game is a bit different with Dean Smith coming back. He'll get a great reception, rightfully so but the focus really should be on the fact that, although it might be slightly hysterical to call it a must win, we really could do with the victory. I don't look forward to games at the moment, we're drab, uninspired and struggling for points, I'll be kind and say that this is down to transition. For all the oppositions deficiencies, I think it will continue.
1-1
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Two nil villa
Little Phil to get 1 and make the other
We have 4 winnable games between now and the end of the season and hopefully win at least 3 of them means we get into a more respectable finishing place and a bit more positivity to take into a key summer
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2-0 Villa win.
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Welcome home Deano!
This should be a nailed on Villa victory, but then I remember Watford at VP.
1 win at VP in just under 5 months is poor and is not a good look no matter who the manager is. This allied to recent poor performances/results might mean a draw is the best we can hope for.
I'm just hoping the players can rise above tactical/formation/selection restrictions and put on a show for the ever faithful and patient VP crowd.
UTV!
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Welcome home Deano!
This should be a nailed on Villa victory, but then I remember Watford at VP.
1 win at VP in just under 5 months is poor and is not a good look no matter who the manager is. This allied to recent poor performances/results might mean a draw is the best we can hope for.
I'm just hoping the players can rise above tactical/formation/selection restrictions and put on a show for the ever faithful and patient VP crowd.
UTV!
No part of this sentence is valid. None of it.
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I'd go with;
Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Mings
Young
Marv
McGinn
Luiz
Buendia
Coutinho
Watkins
A really good chance to win against the worst side in the league and who we usually do very well against. Hopefully breathes a bit of confidence back into the players for a good end to the season.
I suspect Ramsey will start anyway, but he is looking a little jaded for me.
I think given the lack of structure to Norwich's midfield and with Buendia being a roaming pest, they we should find more gaps than usual.
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3-0 home win. Ollie hat trick
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Welcome home Deano!
This should be a nailed on Villa victory, but then I remember Watford at VP.
1 win at VP in just under 5 months is poor and is not a good look no matter who the manager is. This allied to recent poor performances/results might mean a draw is the best we can hope for.
I'm just hoping the players can rise above tactical/formation/selection restrictions and put on a show for the ever faithful and patient VP crowd.
UTV!
No part of this sentence is valid. None of it.
So we haven't had poor performances (except for some unproductive minutes vs spuds) and especially poor results recently?
And the fact that we might end up with a draw or even worst case scenario a loss where only 3 results are possible and the game hasn't yet been played is not valid?
Really?
Okay!
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Welcome home Deano!
This should be a nailed on Villa victory, but then I remember Watford at VP.
1 win at VP in just under 5 months is poor and is not a good look no matter who the manager is. This allied to recent poor performances/results might mean a draw is the best we can hope for.
I'm just hoping the players can rise above tactical/formation/selection restrictions and put on a show for the ever faithful and patient VP crowd.
UTV!
No part of this sentence is valid. None of it.
So we haven't had poor performances (except for some unproductive minutes vs spuds) and especially poor results recently?
And the fact that we might end up with a draw or even worst case scenario a loss where only 3 results are possible and the game hasn't yet been played is not valid?
Really?
Okay!
It's entirely possible we could draw the game. But saying it's the'best we can hope for' is ridiculous.
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If we can’t beat these we may as well put the towels on the beach and give up completely.
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Must win and will win.
We have turned a corner now. Think we see another clean sheet, and that we will see some of the chances created actually result in goals.
3-0 to the Villa, Buendia, Coutinho and Ings.
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Welcome home Deano!
This should be a nailed on Villa victory, but then I remember Watford at VP.
1 win at VP in just under 5 months is poor and is not a good look no matter who the manager is. This allied to recent poor performances/results might mean a draw is the best we can hope for.
I'm just hoping the players can rise above tactical/formation/selection restrictions and put on a show for the ever faithful and patient VP crowd.
UTV!
No part of this sentence is valid. None of it.
So we haven't had poor performances (except for some unproductive minutes vs spuds) and especially poor results recently?
And the fact that we might end up with a draw or even worst case scenario a loss where only 3 results are possible and the game hasn't yet been played is not valid?
Really?
Okay!
It's entirely possible we could draw the game. But saying it's the'best we can hope for' is ridiculous.
If you're going to quote me at least quote me correctly. I see you've conveniently overlooked the use of the word "might".
Still that's to be expected.
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Whichever way you try to justify it, it's still nonsense.
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A relatively comfortable win in the sunshine. Everything will be rosy until next week.
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I see this as a chance to get a bit of confidence for the remaining games and to be honest, Smith has gone now and I won’t feel sad if we hammer them or they go down as a result of the game. I’d play Ings rather than Watkins up front 4-0 win to us
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If Norwich had a reasonable chance of staying up you just might worry a bit more but really their defence is shocking and there is no incentive for them other than to impress their manager for next season in the Championship.
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5-0
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2-0, nervy start, get the first before half time, a bit of holding on before the second around 80 mins.
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Can we recall Conor for this? He loved killing Canaries.
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It all feels a bit Groundhog Day at the moment in terms of the managers approach, team selection, reaction after the game etc etc but this game is a bit different with Dean Smith coming back. He'll get a great reception, rightfully so but the focus really should be on the fact that, although it might be slightly hysterical to call it a must win, we really could do with the victory. I don't look forward to games at the moment, we're drab, uninspired and struggling for points, I'll be kind and say that this is down to transition. For all the oppositions deficiencies, I think it will continue.
1-1
Agree.
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0-0
Delia to get shit faced on cooking Sherry and doze off, missing nothing.
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I'd go with;
Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Mings
Young
Marv
McGinn
Luiz
Buendia
Coutinho
Watkins
A really good chance to win against the worst side in the league and who we usually do very well against. Hopefully breathes a bit of confidence back into the players for a good end to the season.
I suspect Ramsey will start anyway, but he is looking a little jaded for me.
I think given the lack of structure to Norwich's midfield and with Buendia being a roaming pest, they we should find more gaps than usual.
Think your right in that Ramsey will start, especially after signing the new contract. Hopefully might give him a boost.
I think the only change will be Beundia for Bailey…surely this has to happen??
I feel sentimental and will give Deano and a big cheer when he comes out and then i hope we batter his team into oblivion as i’m sure he desperately wants to beat us, such is the nature of football.
We need to win fairly badly for all sorts of reasons, surely Coutinhio should have a field day!
4-0 (Ramsey, Watkins, Beundia, Coutinho)
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Notwithstanding the added factor of a former manager wanting a good performance at his old club if we can’t win this then Gerrard should pack it in and find another outlet for his talents.
Hopefully the players will similarly not want to be beaten by their old boss so we’ll see a straightforward forward win.
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Welcome home Deano!
This should be a nailed on Villa victory, but then I remember Watford at VP.
1 win at VP in just under 5 months is poor and is not a good look no matter who the manager is. This allied to recent poor performances/results might mean a draw is the best we can hope for.
I'm just hoping the players can rise above tactical/formation/selection restrictions and put on a show for the ever faithful and patient VP crowd.
UTV!
No part of this sentence is valid. None of it.
So we haven't had poor performances (except for some unproductive minutes vs spuds) and especially poor results recently?
And the fact that we might end up with a draw or even worst case scenario a loss where only 3 results are possible and the game hasn't yet been played is not valid?
Really?
Okay!
It's entirely possible we could draw the game. But saying it's the'best we can hope for' is ridiculous.
If you're going to quote me at least quote me correctly. I see you've conveniently overlooked the use of the word "might".
Still that's to be expected.
It 'might' be all we get. It can never be 'the best we can hope for'
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0-0
Delia to get shit faced on cooking Sherry and doze off, missing nothing.
Sounds like great fun, I'd like to keep her company if this is the plan.
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6-0.
Villa to go at it like they did against Spurs but this time we'll get the breaks and Norwich will collapse.
I might even stick a fiver on it with the turf accountant. The score. Not the going at it bit.
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Forget the sentimental aspect, as I doubt very much Smith will be approaching the match with that mentality.
Has to be a good performance and a good win.
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6-0.
Villa to go at it like they did against Spurs but this time we'll get the breaks and Norwich will collapse.
A trifle optimistic, it'll be 5-1.
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My first game back at VP since Covid. An ugly 1-0 win will suit me.
hoping for a 5-0 though!
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3-0, 3 points.
I'd go with Ads team but with Ings instead of Ollie.
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Notwithstanding the added factor of a former manager wanting a good performance at his old club if we can’t win this then Gerrard should pack it in and find another outlet for his talents.
Hopefully the players will similarly not want to be beaten by their old boss so we’ll see a straightforward forward win.
This.
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1-0 win. Hanley own goal.
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We are usually OK against Norwich.
They have been here 35 times and won just 4.
This is a particularly poor Norwich side.
1-0 victory. The Grader on the rebound.
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I remember playing these at home, possibly last game of the season or close to it around the early 90’s, pretty sure it was 3-3. I’m sure someone will be able to be a tad more accurate with the finer points.
Also remember singing about Robert Rosario and his caravan….different times!!
We really should be putting these to bed on Saturday.
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I remember playing these at home, possibly last game of the season or close to it around the early 90’s, pretty sure it was 3-3. I’m sure someone will be able to be a tad more accurate with the finer points.
Also remember singing about Robert Rosario and his caravan….different times!!
We really should be putting these to bed on Saturday.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6j7ywc
https://www.11v11.com/matches/aston-villa-v-norwich-city-28-april-1990-89717/
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I remember playing these at home, possibly last game of the season or close to it around the early 90’s, pretty sure it was 3-3. I’m sure someone will be able to be a tad more accurate with the finer points.
Also remember singing about Robert Rosario and his caravan….different times!!
We really should be putting these to bed on Saturday.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6j7ywc
https://www.11v11.com/matches/aston-villa-v-norwich-city-28-april-1990-89717/
Great, thanks for that. So it was last home game before the 3-3 at Everton? What a day that was!
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Before my time but was the song about Rosario, some sort of anti-traveller/gypsy thing?
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Before my time but was the song about Rosario, some sort of anti-traveller/gypsy thing?
Correct, that was the connotation behind mentioning him and caravan in the same sentence.
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Before my time but was the song about Rosario, some sort of anti-traveller/gypsy thing?
Correct, that was the connotation behind mentioning him and caravan in the same sentence.
Also sung to any player with long hair, Terry Hurlock and Paul Walsh spring to mind
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Before my time but was the song about Rosario, some sort of anti-traveller/gypsy thing?
Correct, that was the connotation behind mentioning him and caravan in the same sentence.
Also sung to any player with long hair, Terry Hurlock and Paul Walsh spring to mind
I had no idea you knew so much about caravans, and those who dwell in them, Lee.
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Before my time but was the song about Rosario, some sort of anti-traveller/gypsy thing?
Correct, that was the connotation behind mentioning him and caravan in the same sentence.
Also sung to any player with long hair, Terry Hurlock and Paul Walsh spring to mind
I had no idea you knew so much about caravans, and those who dwell in them, Lee.
The persecution of travelling folk continues
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Before my time but was the song about Rosario, some sort of anti-traveller/gypsy thing?
Correct, that was the connotation behind mentioning him and caravan in the same sentence.
Also sung to any player with long hair, Terry Hurlock and Paul Walsh spring to mind
I had no idea you knew so much about caravans, and those who dwell in them, Lee.
The persecution of travelling folk continues
Don't heed them Lee, we all need a bit of shelta and leaves those making the snarky comments looking a right cant.
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Before my time but was the song about Rosario, some sort of anti-traveller/gypsy thing?
Correct, that was the connotation behind mentioning him and caravan in the same sentence.
Also sung to any player with long hair, Terry Hurlock and Paul Walsh spring to mind
Johnathan Greening when at West Brom, got particular traveller related ‘stick’ for having the temerity of growing his hair long and growing a beard
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2-2 Graydon (2). Kevin Keelan and Mel Machin for them.
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2-1 Villa. Buendia for them, a Chris Sutton brace for us.
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2-2 Graydon (2). Kevin Keelan and Mel Machin for them.
Goalie, wasn't he? Also Mrs SE's dad's best mate growing up.
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4-0
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2-2 Graydon (2). Kevin Keelan and Mel Machin for them.
Goalie, wasn't he? Also Mrs SE's dad's best mate growing up.
He was, saved Ray Graydon’s penalty in the 1975 League Cup Final but we scored the follow up.
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Keelan? Thought it was Jesus.
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Born and lived in wolverley started at Aston villa
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2-2 Graydon (2). Kevin Keelan and Mel Machin for them.
I once saw Kevin Keelan play for us away to Bromsgrove Rovers in a pre season friendly, he only played 5 first team games for us, unable to displace Nigel Sims, eventually went onto to play over 600 games for Norwich.
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Deano, don't be the first. https://twitter.com/AVFCStatto/status/1519715584900050946
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Can anyone name the 8 examples?
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Ron Atkinson
Graham Taylor
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Mr. Potato Head?
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2-2 Graydon (2). Kevin Keelan and Mel Machin for them.
Goalie, wasn't he? Also Mrs SE's dad's best mate growing up.
He was, saved Ray Graydon’s penalty in the 1975 League Cup Final but we scored the follow up.
And I believe it was Machin that handled the ball?
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Can anyone name the 8 examples?
BFR
SGT
John Gregory
Martin O Neil
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Lambert maybe?
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hmm wait, Smith must be one of them.
gregory, BFR, SGT and MON
SGT managed us in the PL after watford in the PL. His previous time in the top flight was before football started in 93
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Ah - there you go..
https://twitter.com/AVFCStatto/status/1519778871805108224
I guess Gregory must not of played us at Derby
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hmm wait, Smith must be one of them.
gregory, BFR, SGT and MON
Bear in mind it's 8 games not 8 managers so it might only be 2 or 3. I have no idea what 8 games or who the managers were.
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There was a goalless draw at home to Sunderland where MON couldn’t understand why we didn’t all warmly welcome him with open arms.
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It all feels a bit Groundhog Day at the moment in terms of the managers approach, team selection, reaction after the game etc etc but this game is a bit different with Dean Smith coming back. He'll get a great reception, rightfully so but the focus really should be on the fact that, although it might be slightly hysterical to call it a must win, we really could do with the victory.
1-1
Totally agree. My all means give him a round of applause as we walks along the touchline, but this is an important game that we really could do with 3 points from. It is not a testimonial.
All this stuff with banners and Villa-Norwich badges is way ott for my liking.
Dean Smith will be coming here with evey intention of getting a win, bearing in mind our poor recent form. Norwich have nothing to lose now
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The half and half scarf wankers will be out in force.
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4-0 home win, we should have too much quality for Norwich.
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Welcome Home Deano!
Gerrard has come out and said he thinks we can get 6points fro our next 2 -Norwich and Burnley - if we keep a clean sheet . so perhaps a 1-0 or 2-0 win.
Then again Dean Smith plays attacking football and I can see it being a very tricky match and a 2-1 win.
Really we should have kept Dean til season end
Then phased in Gerrard rather than mid season
The new manager has yet to hit the heights of Dean Smiths Aston Villa.
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Emi
Cash Konsa Mings Young
Mcginn Luiz Ramsey
Coutinho
Bailey Watkins
Think that's what he will go with tomorrow
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Haven’t really looked like scoring a goal for a while so probably 0-0 with the possibility of Deano snatching a late winner.
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just win please Villa
UTV
The Doc
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Guess who’s back. Back again. Guess who’s back guess who’s back guess who’s back guess who’s back.
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0-2.
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Norwich have failed to win 26 of their last 28 away matches in the premier league
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That’s done it.
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Norwich have failed to win 26 of their last 28 away matches in the premier league
I think I've seen this one before... How I'd love for us to tear up the script!
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Announce Coutinho signing an hour before kick off, win 7-0. Gonna happen.
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The half and half scarf wankers will be out in force.
If they leave after 70 minutes are they double wankers?
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It all feels a bit Groundhog Day at the moment in terms of the managers approach, team selection, reaction after the game etc etc but this game is a bit different with Dean Smith coming back. He'll get a great reception, rightfully so but the focus really should be on the fact that, although it might be slightly hysterical to call it a must win, we really could do with the victory.
1-1
Totally agree. My all means give him a round of applause as we walks along the touchline, but this is an important game that we really could do with 3 points from. It is not a testimonial.
All this stuff with banners and Villa-Norwich badges is way ott for my liking.
Dean Smith will be coming here with evey intention of getting a win, bearing in mind our poor recent form. Norwich have nothing to lose now
The badges were a wind-up and the banner is a classy gesture to a great servant.
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Emi
Cash Konsa Mings Young
Mcginn Luiz Ramsey
Coutinho
Bailey Watkins
Think that's what he will go with tomorrow
I hope not.
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Need Phil and JJ to get their act together, when they're both on song, there's very few Prem teams that can stop let allow Norwich, going 2 nil Villa.
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SG saying tomorrow is going to be a tough fixture. Getting his excuses in early then just in case!! Sanson and Hause missing again.
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How many french players have worked for us over the years?!
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Kodjia? I know he was Ivorian but he was born in France.
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SG saying tomorrow is going to be a tough fixture. Getting his excuses in early then just in case!! Sanson and Hause missing again.
All managers say this. It's disrepectful not to.
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SG saying tomorrow is going to be a tough fixture. Getting his excuses in early then just in case!! Sanson and Hause missing again.
All managers say this. It's disrepectful not to.
Exactly. Anybody ever heard any manager anywhere say "Norwich are rubbish, I'm expecting to batter them"?
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Or ‘the Cnut that was here before what a crock of shit he left me with.’
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0-2.
Always consistent ;)
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Norwich have failed to win 26 of their last 28 away matches in the premier league
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT? Couple of seasons ago someone posted on PMT, Brighton have never won at Villa Park and they beat us 2-1 :(
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Odds on Norwich are 7-1. Very generous IMHO
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I think Norwich winning is a bit of a long shot but, wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a draw.
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Odds on Norwich are 7-1. Very generous IMHO
If we lost at home to Norwich tomorrow then I don't think Gerrard will have any kind of future with us. We won't lose
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Is Sanson actually injured or just out of favour?
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Odds on Norwich are 7-1. Very generous IMHO
If we lost at home to Norwich tomorrow then I don't think Gerrard will have any kind of future with us. We won't lose
I have supported Gerrard in the belief that with his own team things will improve
If he can not motivate this squad to beat Norwich , my mind might change
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From a few of the posts on here you'd never know that Norwich are fucking shit and have been odds on to go down since about October.
I think tomorrow looks a lot like Brighton away where we'd had a few bad results before it but you could see that we were starting to find some form. I think we'll sneak a fairly early lead to settle nerves and end up with a comfy 3-0 with Watkins getting at least 1 of them.
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If we don't beat this shower of yellow shite, I will not be happy.
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From a few of the posts on here you'd never know that Norwich are fucking shit and have been odds on to go down since about October.
I think tomorrow looks a lot like Brighton away where we'd had a few bad results before it but you could see that we were starting to find some form. I think we'll sneak a fairly early lead to settle nerves and end up with a comfy 3-0 with Watkins getting at least 1 of them.
Its because according to some of the various threads on here, that its the worst season on memory, the teams shit, managers shit etc etc.
Disappointing season id say, even a bit boring, but we stayed up 2 years ago with around about the points we have now and spent most of 2012-2015, floating around the toilet before being flushed, so defo not the worst season in memory, just a mediocre one.
We’ll win tomorrow comfortably.
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It's an emotional one for sure tomorrow.
Bottom line is for the rest of perhaps everybodys life time, no other manager will have that rapport Dean Smith had.
That press conference video oozes class. Oh how I miss him and how he talks about our team now he has to talk about some team else . Life is unfair sometimes
https://www.canaries.co.uk/content/full-press-conference-dean-smith-previews-citys-trip-to-aston-villa
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Norwich have failed to win 26 of their last 28 away matches in the premier league
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT? Couple of seasons ago someone posted on PMT, Brighton have never won at Villa Park and they beat us 2-1 :(
Was that under Graham Potter? a Villa man too. (I can see him as our next boss and to replace Gerrard)
So I guess Deano for the win then.
If Gerrard engineers a defeat to Norwich , Dean Smith or not, then that in itself speaks volumes about SG abilities.
Let's hope not though as SG is the boss now and as much as it's great seeing Dean Smith win football matches that isn't the case for this match.
UTV!!
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It's an emotional one for sure tomorrow.
You might need a Kleenex all right.
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What can you say? Nailed-on 3 pts for Villa….
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Is Sanson actually injured or just out of favour?
Out of favour.
Alleged attitude problems?
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I'll clap Smith whne he comes out because he deserves that but I hope we then go and give them a jolly good thumping.
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I'll clap Smith whne he comes out because he deserves that but I hope we then go and give them a jolly good thumping.
I think that's about right
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It's an emotional one for sure tomorrow.
Bottom line is for the rest of perhaps everybodys life time, no other manager will have that rapport Dean Smith had.
That press conference video oozes class. Oh how I miss him and how he talks about our team now he has to talk about some team else . Life is unfair sometimes
https://www.canaries.co.uk/content/full-press-conference-dean-smith-previews-citys-trip-to-aston-villa
"You need a subscription to access this content."
You've actually paid good money to watch another team's pre-match press conference?
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I'll clap Smith whne he comes out because he deserves that but I hope we then go and give them a jolly good thumping.
Yep.
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From a few of the posts on here you'd never know that Norwich are fucking shit and have been odds on to go down since about October.
I think tomorrow looks a lot like Brighton away where we'd had a few bad results before it but you could see that we were starting to find some form. I think we'll sneak a fairly early lead to settle nerves and end up with a comfy 3-0 with Watkins getting at least 1 of them.
In what world do we look like ‘we’re starting to find some form’?
We haven’t won in 5 games and have scored 2 goals in those games.
We shouldn’t even really be having to debate if we’ll beat Norwich or not. But here we are.
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Norwich will park a mini-bus ( they aren't good enough for a full bus) and hope to hit our flaky defence on the break.
But we should get at least 2 goals, but I won't be surprised if they do nick one.
DS will get a good welcome, but that's all they should get.
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Deano will get a great reception and so he should. Not just because he’s one of us but because of the class he showed at all times during his tenure - I’d take that over half the tossers that are wasted on the game these days.
But it’s a big game and he will come here determined to win as we would expect him too.
Can be no complacency. Win and things look a bit better, lose and the concerns will just grow.
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Unlike the last 'legend' to grace our hallowed turf (*who CHOSE to leave), Dean Smith will get my whole hearted applause pre and post match.
Aired my frustrations with him on here quite frequently during his tenure, but there can be no doubt that he turned our club around, giving us a bit of pride back in the place, and for that we should be forever grateful.
However, as soon as that whistle blows at kick-off, he can fuck right off and be on the end of a 6-0 pasting! ;) #UTV
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I'll clap Smith whne he comes out because he deserves that but I hope we then go and give them a jolly good thumping.
Exactly. Give him a clap before the game, then a nice little rendition of 'Dean Smith, he's claret and Blue' when we're 3-0 up in the 85th minute.
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I'm happy with the starting line up.
Great to see Tim start, Chambers also deserves his chance and a earlier than thought return for Digne.
Although would have liked to see Buendia start.
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My only worry now is that Rashica, who has demonstrated that we would have wasted a lot of money had we bought him, will turn in some ridiculously unplayable performance.
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I'm happy with the starting line up.
Great to see Tim start, Chambers also deserves his chance and a earlier than thought return for Digne.
Looks decent to me too.
Deano: thanks for everything (especially promotion) & you'll always be a beloved Villa legend, but we have to thrash you today just to settle our last few nerves.
PS Please beat Bl*es & Alb*on next season for us with Norwich. Thanks! XXX