Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Martyn Smith on April 10, 2022, 09:14:14 PM
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Although our own season is fizzing out into a whole lot of nothing (assuming we aren't fighting relegation at the end of it) it's interesting to note that we could still have a major say in the season as a whole. We won't be able to mathematically relegate Norwich but there's every chance we could send the Lancs kit stealers down. Plus we have to play both the title contenders.
Hate to think that we could potentially deny Citeh the title on the final day
(yes, me of 25 years ago; I'd rather Liverpool won the title than Man C...)
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I just want to beat one top eight team. Two chances left. Don't give much of a toss about the other matches at the moment though hopefully I will have perked up by the time they come around. Not content with ruining Christmas nearly ever year, they've now taken to ruining Easter, too. The bastards.
Couldn't care less who wins the league, they're both cúnts.
Would rather Everton went down for a laugh but that seems pretty unlikely now thanks to those other cuñts in the North West.
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Hate to think that we could potentially deny Citeh the title on the final day
I'd love it if we did. Give the V's to that deserting prick.
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It still means Liverpool win the league. There is no fun to be had either way.
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It still means Liverpool win the league. There is no fun to be had either way.
Lesser of two evils, in my view at least.
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It feels wrong saying this but I hope Liverpool win the league
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We'll lose comfortably to both the title challengers.
I'd like to think we can still beat Norwich. Burnley not so sure, they are a lot worse this season than previous ones. I am pretty sure they've never been this low this late on. I was going to say we can beat the dross under Gerrard at least and then remembered Watford doing the double over us.
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Although our own season is fizzing out into a whole lot of nothing (assuming we aren't fighting relegation at the end of it) it's interesting to note that we could still have a major say in the season as a whole. We won't be able to mathematically relegate Norwich but there's every chance we could send the Lancs kit stealers down. Plus we have to play both the title contenders.
Hate to think that we could potentially deny Citeh the title on the final day
(yes, me of 25 years ago; I'd rather Liverpool won the title than Man C...)
I found myself wanting Liverpool to win today. As someone who started going down the Villa as a kid in the early eighties, its a very strange feeling!
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Lesta (a) L
Norwich (h) W
Burnley (a) L
Liverpool (h) L
Palace (h) W
Burnley (h) Want to say W but the cúnts will get a D, won't they?
Man City (a) L
Total: 7/21
Final Points Total: 43
Final League Position: 13th-16th
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7 points at best I suspect.
Not good enough if that's all that can be mustered.
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It would be nice to beat those Villa hating orcs in our next game.
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It would be nice to beat those Villa hating orcs in our next game.
Before they play us they've got PSV away next Thursday, Leicester away on the Saturday and then Everton away the following Wednesday.
What's the betting however we'll come out in the first 30 minutes like we've just had two weeks with players all on holiday around the world and never meant and we'll be flagging before Leicester get tired.
It's a good time to play them but we've said that often this season and it rarely translates on the pitch.
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It would be nice to beat those Villa hating orcs in our next game.
Before they play us they've got PSV away next Thursday, Leicester away on the Saturday and then Everton away the following Wednesday.
What's the betting however we'll come out in the first 30 minutes like we've just had two weeks with players all on holiday around the world and never meant and we'll be flagging before Leicester get tired.
It's a good time to play them but we've said that often this season and it rarely translates on the pitch.
This season's incarnation of villa are so unpredictable. It good be another battering or we could play them off the park.
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It would be nice to beat those Villa hating orcs in our next game.
Before they play us they've got PSV away next Thursday, Leicester away on the Saturday and then Everton away the following Wednesday.
What's the betting however we'll come out in the first 30 minutes like we've just had two weeks with players all on holiday around the world and never meant and we'll be flagging before Leicester get tired.
It's a good time to play them but we've said that often this season and it rarely translates on the pitch.
Are they playing themselves? ;)
I imagine we'll have a behind closed-doors friendly next weekend. Maybe against one of the other PL teams not playing due to their scheduled opponents being in the Cup semis.
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Leicester love to play with themselves. They are of course, massive wankers.
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Seems to be the theme of today!
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I can't see us beating anybody other than Norwich and maybe Burnley at home meaning we will finish lower down than last season after significant investment and the efforts of Dean Smith and Steven Gerrard both falling way short of what would have been accepted
The Club AT THE VERY LEAST had prepared for a top half finish. When we signed Bailey,Buendia and Ings Purslow made out we'd already made it. The simple fact is the summer signings have all been S**t and we've gone backwards.
Infuriating
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I'm being positive and hoping for a positive end to the season.
Looking at it from a positive perspective.
It's good to have a positive outlook right?
Rather than the opposite of positive.
All the time.
About everything Villa related.
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It's hard to be positive when you put a lot of energy into following the team and they just couldn't be bothered!
Are these current crop of crap waking up Monday morning feeling as hurt as us?
The 35-45 minutes shows they can play but that's all they want to give then it's NOT ON.
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Reallly hope they stop the slide, but realistically EVERY remaining game is going to be tough to get anything.
I would have earmarked Norwich (H) for 3 points, but they've just turned Burnley over and it will be Smith returning to VP for the first time with something to prove. Palace are flying under Viera and that leaves a double-header against a relegation battling Burnley, as well as the Top 2 in the league.... and we know how well we've faired against those sides under Gerrard.
Can't wait for the season to be over. Every home game feels like a chore lately.
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If we struggle for results over the remainder of the season, I’m all for sacking Gerrard. I can accept inconsistency, but not relegation form with the players he has at his disposal.
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He's averaging 1.3 points per a game, that's midtable, not relegation.
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He's averaging 1.3 points per a game, that's midtable, not relegation.
There’s a fair chance that ratio will have gone down by the end of the season unless we start taking chances when on top, stop conceding soft goals and only performing for one half per game.
The first half on Saturday showed what we are capable of but our inability to see the job through for 90 minutes is a recurring theme. Maybe a more proactive approach to using substitutes would help.
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He's averaging 1.3 points per a game, that's midtable, not relegation.
There’s a fair chance that ratio will have gone down by the end of the season unless we start taking chances when on top, stop conceding soft goals and only performing for one half per game.
The first half on Saturday showed what we are capable of but our inability to see the job through for 90 minutes is a recurring theme. Maybe a more proactive approach to using substitutes would help.
On Saturday though, the second goal so early on really did kill us. It almost straight away after kick off, meaning that subs weren't really the answer at that point.
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I don’t think it is possible to play with the tempo of the first half for 90 + minutes.
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I don’t think it is possible to play with the tempo of the first half for 90 + minutes.
Without the 2nd goal as a kick in the bollocks I think we'd ahve been fine until 65-70mins and then it comes down to subs.
On topic the only thing I care about between now and the end of the season is seeing us make better use of the squad and get some experience in the legs of players like Chrisene, Iroegbunam and Chuk.
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I don’t think it is possible to play with the tempo of the first half for 90 + minutes.
Gerrard's post-match interviews worried me a little. He basically said that at half-time he asked for more of the same. Surely he knew that much energy expended would take its toll plus Spurs were unlikely to be dominated for another 45 minutes again.
Whoever the pundit was on MOTD (can't remember, Ian Wright was the other one) pointed out that for the second half, Spurs beat the press in the easiest way - go long as soon as Villa lose possession high up the pitch with our fullbacks too far forward.
Gerarrd's subs are rarely pro-active and he never makes a change at half-time. When he does bring on subs it's usually like-for-like rather than tactical. He's supported by an army of coaches and background staff, they're all analysing in-game on their ipads...so why are so crap at turning games around?
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I don’t think it is possible to play with the tempo of the first half for 90 + minutes.
Gerrard's post-match interviews worried me a little. He basically said that at half-time he asked for more of the same. Surely he knew that much energy expended would take its toll plus Spurs were unlikely to be dominated for another 45 minutes again.
Whoever the pundit was on MOTD (can't remember, Ian Wright was the other one) pointed out that for the second half, Spurs beat the press in the easiest way - go long as soon as Villa lose possession high up the pitch with our fullbacks too far forward.
Gerarrd's subs are rarely pro-active and he never makes a change at half-time. When he does bring on subs it's usually like-for-like rather than tactical. He's supported by an army of coaches and background staff, they're all analysing in-game on their ipads...so why are so crap at turning games around?
Them beating us because of long balls was in spite of Conte telling them not to play it long. He was furious 1/2 a second before their second goal. Just really poor defending from us
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Them going long should've been what we wanted, the problem was that we got done by 2 long straight passes, which can't happen if you want to compete in the premier league, the first goal in particular was a god awful punt up field that Konsa had plenty of time to deal with but he just got it completely wrong.
After the 2nd goal you're right, we started getting caught on the counter-attack but that's to be expected from a team that's 0-2 down at home and I don't have a huge issue with it, I'd rather we got caught having a go than us trying to defend the narrow defeat as we have under some previous managers.
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I don’t think it is possible to play with the tempo of the first half for 90 + minutes.
Gerrard's post-match interviews worried me a little. He basically said that at half-time he asked for more of the same. Surely he knew that much energy expended would take its toll plus Spurs were unlikely to be dominated for another 45 minutes again.
What should he have said after that very good first half?
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I don’t think it is possible to play with the tempo of the first half for 90 + minutes.
Without the 2nd goal as a kick in the bollocks I think we'd ahve been fine until 65-70mins and then it comes down to subs.
Agree , when you dominate the game as we did in the first half you have to score.
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We will pick up 4 points from last 7 games to finish 14th on 40 points. A terrible season.
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We will pick up 4 points from last 7 games to finish 14th on 40 points. A terrible season.
I don't think we'll win again this season. An absolutely awful season and the players should be ashamed. Well, most of them anyway.
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We will pick up 4 points from last 7 games to finish 14th on 40 points. A terrible season.
There seems to be a new habit on here of predicting what will hapen and then giving an opinion on that result as if it's already happened.
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We will pick up 4 points from last 7 games to finish 14th on 40 points. A terrible season.
There seems to be a new habit on here of predicting what will hapen and then giving an opinion on that result as if it's already happened.
You wouldn't think it was a new habit if, like me, you were one of the lonely voices suggesting that we might not get relegated towards the end of our first season back up!
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I don’t think it is possible to play with the tempo of the first half for 90 + minutes.
Gerrard's post-match interviews worried me a little. He basically said that at half-time he asked for more of the same. Surely he knew that much energy expended would take its toll plus Spurs were unlikely to be dominated for another 45 minutes again.
What should he have said after that very good first half?
It's well-above the paygrade of me and my team but, I dunno...
Check the stats for who was flagging, consider bringing one of the mis-firing strikers off for Bailey/Buendia who could target their full-back who kept giving away free-kicks, as much as possible.
Do not get beaten by high balls in "the red zone" and for the defenders not to be on their heels when waiting for the knock-down.
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I've a little sympathy for sending us out as we were, given how close the game was at the half-time whistle. I suppose the idea was that an actual change would have led to a change in mindset when what he really wanted was to pretend there hadn't been a fifteen minute break. I do, however, think that that's a bit naive and perhaps a footballer rather than manager mindset.
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We will pick up 4 points from last 7 games to finish 14th on 40 points. A terrible season.
There seems to be a new habit on here of predicting what will hapen and then giving an opinion on that result as if it's already happened.
True, Though in fairness I'm pretty pissed off that I was right in my prediction about Spurs. I'm sure it now helps my original point though, and weakens yours! ;)
Based on the evidence so far, of zero points against teams above us in the table since Gerrard arrived, and a worrying trend of losing to teams at the bottom, that the chances are that form may continue.
We'll see, and of course let's all hope that we just win all of our remaining games (bar a draw with Liverpool if that's needed to help Ratboy stay without a medal).
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We will pick up 4 points from last 7 games to finish 14th on 40 points. A terrible season.
Its been a very frustrating and largely disappointing season, a terrible season would be getting relegated.
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6 pts from last 7games a season review interesting conversations between the owners and CP.
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It's not been a terrible season. Just rather disappointing.
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Surely these last games are the perfect opportunity to make some realistic changes
LB - If we think Chisene was good enough for the bench then lets see if he can save us some money next season
We should be seeing more of Sanson, Chuckie and maybe even Tim - what have we got to lose at least that way SG can make a full assessment of what he needs to do
Surely he has seen enough of McGinn / Luiz / Young / Watkins / Ings time to ring the changes Mr Gerrard or your credibility will take an even bigger hit
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The problem for Gerrard and the Board is where do they start, there's problems all over the pitch and we have already spent a lot of money. Dean Smith and Steven Gerrard (so far) have not been able to get anything out of the current crop and it feels like we have wasted BIG money on average players.
Maybe the owners will get rid of Lange or even Purslow as this season if we finish bottom half will be a BIG failure. They might even get fed up and stop spending or sell us .
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The problem at Villa is for years we have overpaid in salaries to very average footballers, that is why we cannot sell any of them and have to wait until we give them away on a free transfer at the end of their contracts (apart from a certain Mr. Grealish)
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The problem at Villa is for years we have overpaid in salaries to very average footballers, that is why we cannot sell any of them and have to wait until we give them away on a free transfer at the end of their contracts (apart from a certain Mr. Grealish)
We're probably in a position not to have to do that now. We'll more than likely make a profit on Targett if he goes and I'd imagine one or two others. Its what the owners wanted I think.
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I think a lot of players see us as an easy touch when it comes to their wages and expectations not being that high. With the money we’ve spent, realistically I would have thought of going for at least top half of the table should not be beyond us but, doesn’t look like happening.
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I don’t think it is possible to play with the tempo of the first half for 90 + minutes.
Gerrard's post-match interviews worried me a little. He basically said that at half-time he asked for more of the same. Surely he knew that much energy expended would take its toll plus Spurs were unlikely to be dominated for another 45 minutes again.
What should he have said after that very good first half?
It's well-above the paygrade of me and my team but, I dunno...
Check the stats for who was flagging, consider bringing one of the mis-firing strikers off for Bailey/Buendia who could target their full-back who kept giving away free-kicks, as much as possible.
Do not get beaten by high balls in "the red zone" and for the defenders not to be on their heels when waiting for the knock-down.
If he'd have changed it after we had played so well (eg bringing one of the strikers off) and we had then lost heavily he'd have got absolute pelters on here for meddling. Sherwood STILL gets pelters for his substitutions in the Leicester capitulation.
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I don’t think it is possible to play with the tempo of the first half for 90 + minutes.
Gerrard's post-match interviews worried me a little. He basically said that at half-time he asked for more of the same. Surely he knew that much energy expended would take its toll plus Spurs were unlikely to be dominated for another 45 minutes again.
What should he have said after that very good first half?
It's well-above the paygrade of me and my team but, I dunno...
Check the stats for who was flagging, consider bringing one of the mis-firing strikers off for Bailey/Buendia who could target their full-back who kept giving away free-kicks, as much as possible.
Do not get beaten by high balls in "the red zone" and for the defenders not to be on their heels when waiting for the knock-down.
If he'd have changed it after we had played so well (eg bringing one of the strikers off) and we had then lost heavily he'd have got absolute pelters on here for meddling. Sherwood STILL gets pelters for his substitutions in the Leicester capitulation.
Maybe the way to not get pelters for bad decisions, is to make good decisions.
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I don’t think it is possible to play with the tempo of the first half for 90 + minutes.
Gerrard's post-match interviews worried me a little. He basically said that at half-time he asked for more of the same. Surely he knew that much energy expended would take its toll plus Spurs were unlikely to be dominated for another 45 minutes again.
What should he have said after that very good first half?
It's well-above the paygrade of me and my team but, I dunno...
Check the stats for who was flagging, consider bringing one of the mis-firing strikers off for Bailey/Buendia who could target their full-back who kept giving away free-kicks, as much as possible.
Do not get beaten by high balls in "the red zone" and for the defenders not to be on their heels when waiting for the knock-down.
If he'd have changed it after we had played so well (eg bringing one of the strikers off) and we had then lost heavily he'd have got absolute pelters on here for meddling. Sherwood STILL gets pelters for his substitutions in the Leicester capitulation.
Maybe the way to not get pelters for bad decisions, is to make good decisions.
I'm not sure that's particulalry relevant to the point being made, but thanks for your input.
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I don’t think it is possible to play with the tempo of the first half for 90 + minutes.
Gerrard's post-match interviews worried me a little. He basically said that at half-time he asked for more of the same. Surely he knew that much energy expended would take its toll plus Spurs were unlikely to be dominated for another 45 minutes again.
What should he have said after that very good first half?
at least 2 goals would be nice please lads :)
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Well that draw at home to Palace makes it very difficult to get into the top 10 with Leicester 5-1 win at Watford
Leicester and Brighton have 2 games left like us
9th Leicester 48pts
10th Brighton 48pts
11th Palace 45pts
12th Villa 44pts