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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on February 09, 2022, 07:00:50 PM
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As was said in the pre-match, first eleven picks itself.
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Win please.
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We really should be beating these. No Bamford or Phillips. Our bench needs the likes of Traore and Bailey back.
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Good to see Konsa's fit to start and well done to Ben Chrisene.
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Is it me or does that bench look a bit weak?
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As was said in the pre-match, first eleven picks itself.
We don't want to be in that position though, do we...
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Is it me or does that bench look a bit weak?
who else would you have on there? I don't think Targett/Axel missing makes a difference. Or Trez or AEG. Traore and bailey to come in.
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As was said in the pre-match, first eleven picks itself.
We don't want to be in that position though, do we...
Really rather depends on why they are the obvious first choice.
If it's because they all scored four goals each in a 44-0 win the week before then it's undoubtedly a good thing.
If you've got only eleven fit players, then it's a bad thing.
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Defence is alright, shows we need to strengthen midfield and get Bailey/bert back in
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As was said in the pre-match, first eleven picks itself.
We don't want to be in that position though, do we...
I know what you mean but so does the Liverpool team.
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The starting 11 are amongst the most creative group we have had since I can remember
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Boring line up no drama same old same old…. Can’t see us getting anything tonight. Bielsa the magician far too good for us.
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The starting 11 are amongst the most creative group we have had since I can remember
But you said you have the memory of an elephant?
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Is it me or does that bench look a bit weak?
Not really.
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Is Bailey still injured?
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Boring line up no drama same old same old…. Can’t see us getting anything tonight. Bielsa the magician far too good for us.
Magician? He's been sitting on that bucket for four years and I've yet to see him pull anything out of it.
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Boring line up no drama same old same old…. Can’t see us getting anything tonight. Bielsa the magician far too good for us.
Is this sarcasm I haven't quite grasped?
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Is Bailey still injured?
Back in full training but not ready yet Stevie said
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Days he reckoned so maybe Sunday or certainly the weekend after. Let’s hope playing Leeds doesn’t mean we end up with a load of new injuries.
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This game has taken a lifetime to come around! Come on Villa.
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Three points. No excuses.
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Three eternal truths. You've got to pay your tax, flat roofs leak and Leeds Utd are arseholes
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Gerard is in the dugout early !!
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Been a long wait.
Come on!!! 8)
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Come on you Villa boys!
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Come on you Lions!!
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UUUUUTTTTTVVVVVV
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Early corner
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Mings should have buried that
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Is Bailey still injured?
Back in full training but not ready yet Steven said
According to his instagram there's a major announcement tomorrow.
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If anyone wants a radio comm other than WM or Villa official an can't access that one and not able to watch the awful bias Lucy ward on BT sport then
https://sport.mediaondemand.net/player/bet365?c=bet365&cl=bet365&sport=football&showMenu=false&language=en
Up the Villa
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Ayling nearly went on Scottish Cafu run
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As much as I dislike them, Leeds have the noisiest away fans I've ever encountered.
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Ayling needed a kick then
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Ming's ffs
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FUUUUUUUUCCCCK. 0-1
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Fuck off!
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Typical
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Fucking hell Villa.
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Mings again
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Terrible lazy defending that.
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Nice one Tyrone.
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Mings FFS
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Positional error by Mings on the edge of the box. Got turned around and they took full advantage. Terrible goal to concede
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that was terrible.
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Ty fing rone!
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Keep on giving those interviews Tyrone!
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We never do it the easy way.
FFS.
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And they are on the ball again straight away. We are fast asleep FFS
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Oh for fucks sake - are we ever going beat these buggers at Villa Park?
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Mings doing what he does best.
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Only just checked in and we are down a goal. Fuck off leeds
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Taking us to levels hitherto unknown.
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Too fucking often these ming's cick ups
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He has 5 or 6 basic errors in him each season. Basic
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Nice bloke, has moments of greatness, still can't understand how he's an England international.
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Konsa was pretty weak too.
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Watkins touched the ball yet?
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Fucks sake I hate Leeds.
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Pub defending by Mings.
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This is shit
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And they are on the ball again straight away. We are fast asleep FFS
I thought we were playing ok and that was out of the blue
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Jon not many alternatives
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73% possession for Dirty Leeds.
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Making James look like Ronaldo ffs
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Fucking wake up Villa
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How many Mings a season.
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Mings- a fuck up, an expected blunder usually occurs through lack of concentration.
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Different game now.
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Sort it out Gerrard!
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Can we get the fucking thing down and play it?
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They are targeting Mings
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Fucking hell ref
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Wake up Mings FFS
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How was that not a foul?
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2.16. Time to open the mezcal.
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Get ming's off ..😏
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Getting schooled so far
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This is shite.
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Full backs exposed.
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They're moving the ball around well, we need a bit of possession.
Ref seems a bit of a clown too.
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Don't give it to Mings FFS!
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games byepassing our midfield
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We have no midfield at all currently
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Leeds Neanderthals singing "Tyrone Mings, fucking shit!"
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They are playing at a far greater pace throughout the team than us. We want too much time to sort things out where they are doing it quickly.
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This refs shit
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Ref is giving us nothing
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Hadn't realised Douglas Luiz was playing until then.
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Shocking start. Can't get hold of the ball and kamikaze from Mings for the goal. Don't fret though. We're too good to go down....
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playing shit
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Can't keep the ball for two seconds.
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We need Young on to get in this refs ear, he's having a mare.
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Midfield is too pedestrian
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On the goal, while Mings made a Rick it shouldn’t be overlooked that Konsa let a shot through his legs.
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Counted two absolutely blatant Leeds fouls that the ref has ignored so far. Dodgy.
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I cannot believe Leeds are playing a single "striker" up top who is all of 5 feet tall, and having him run in behind Mings and Konsa. Blatant disrespect of their ability (or lack thereof).. but unfortunately working at the moment.
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yes the referee is poor - but our 11 players are worse - they need to get a grip before the referee does.
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Yellow card?
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This is pretty ordinary.
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Another Bielsa masterclass?
FFS Ollie you donkey!
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According to Lucy, the ref is ignoring fouls from both sides. Rubbish!
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Why wasn’t Ayling booked for the foul on Coutinho?
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Leeds. Still dirty.
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We have no midfield at all currently
Agreed, our two Brazilians struggling to get a kick.
McGinn's passing has been abysmal so far. Easy enough through ball earlier and he put it straight at the defender.
Buendia is key for us tonight I think.
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Amazing free kick there.
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This ref is an Aussie isn’t he? How many games has he had over here?
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Amazing free kick there.
Shocking from that position
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Honestly, I don't care if Luiz doesn't sign a new contract. He's utterly underwhelming 95% of the time.
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I’ll say this now. A top premier league team can’t rely on any Scottish international, especially in midfield.
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Thought Mings had scored
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Mings you should have buried that!
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Luiz looking nothing like the £32mil player we rejected a bid for so far tonight - the rest aren't any better tbf
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how did Mings miss that?
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Mings should hit the target there
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Watkins reminding me of Gabby tonight
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Watkins isn't good enough.
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Games pass Watkins by in a Bent-esque fashion too often for my liking
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What a ball from Buendia there
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Buendia so frustrating sometimes!
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To be fair to Leeds they’ve come to play, but it looks like we are starting to get a grip now
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Coutinho and McGinn are anonymous - we're playing with 9 players.
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Sort it fucking out villa
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This is abysmal.
We're playing with no midfield and Dan James is tearing us a new one.
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This is very poor.
That James bloke is a real pest.
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Get in
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Already lost count of the number of times Mings has hoofed a hopeful ball in the general direction of Watkins, who can't win it. It's a shit tactic.
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we're making Dan James look like Maradona
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Wow James is like a man possessed
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!
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Coutinho and McGinn are anonymous - we're playing with 9 players.
well, there you go!!
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I love you Phil
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Get the fuck in!
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YESSS!!!!
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Top class.
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Boom!!!
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Lovely goal - now lets take control of this game.
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I actually have a man crush on Coutinho. Lovely finish.
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YESSSSS
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Get in
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Coutinho and McGinn are anonymous - we're playing with 9 players.
Agreed, I was thinking Coutinho would have to come off at half time he has been so far off the pace. But that's a superb goal. Great assist from Cash too.
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Thank fook for that.
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That's been coming, we'd had 5-6 nearly moments since they scored.
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thank fuck
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Brilliant finish
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Great finish
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Ave it! Quality.
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Mings and Konsa are getting pulled way out of position.
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Gerrard has to do something about our midfield. Our three are getting torn apart.
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Watkins, Luiz and McGinn need to wake the fuck up - very poor so far.
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Great finish Phil!
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Coutinho and McGinn are anonymous - we're playing with 9 players.
Agreed, I was thinking Coutinho would have to come off at half time he has been so far off the pace. But that's a superb goal. Great assist from Cash too.
midfield isnt work - balance isnt right, too easy for them to run through, not able to influence the game going forward or backwards
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Check back in and we score. It’s 50 50 so should I just fuck off?
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The dirty bastards are playing well, it has to be said.
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Is Chambers on the bench?
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Check back in and we score. It’s 50 50 so should I just fuck off?
Could be 5-5...tune in!
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Luiz and McGinn very poor so far
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Is Chambers on the bench?
Yup
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Gerrard should fine Mings each time he does that punt down the pitch
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Check back in and we score. It’s 50 50 so should I just fuck off?
Stick around bud, may as well watch it!
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Luiz and McGinn very poor so far
Far too often. Come on, be better!
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I miss the 90’s when we had more than one song.
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So as we all say we still need that defensive midfielder who has pace. It’s so clear and obvious var could spot it
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Goooaalllll
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!
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BooooOoooommmm
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YESSSSSSSSSSSS JJ
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That's a bit better.
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What a ball by Coutinho
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Beautiful
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Fuck off Leeds! Ramsay!
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Yeah, let's take Coutihno off eh... GET IN GREAT GOAL
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YESSSSS!!!!!!!
JJ!!!!
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Brilliant goal
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Oh my word. That ball. It’s given me goosebumps.
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Good Lord, Coutinho.
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Fucking sexy
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What a fucking goal
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Pay the money now for Phil before some other fucker does
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Coutinho and McGinn are anonymous - we're playing with 9 players.
Love this post.
Make one about Buendia too.
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What a pass
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That’s a penalty that VAR would not have given us had JJ not scored. Klich had a fistful of JJ’s shirt
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Get in! Yeah Coutinho is pretty good!
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World class
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That's a great pass by Coutinho and it's fantastic to see how quickly Ramsey is developing. He's some player.
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Ramsey is turning out to be some player. Getting beyond the forwards to nab important goals. Really like him. Best midfielder we have at the moment.
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That’s a penalty that VAR would not have given us had JJ not scored. Klich had a fistful of JJ’s shirt
They've been pulling our shirts all evening
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I checked in again. Are we doing well?
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Fuck me we've got a world class player there.
Coutinhos's brilliant too.
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Imagine when Coutinho is fully fit
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That's a bit better.
Not bad was it.
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If anybody has a link to the goals it would be really appreciated. Working away and listening on the radio. Obviously tuning in to this wonderful website too!
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JJ again!!!!!!!!!
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Goooaallll
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Wow!
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JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ
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That’s a penalty that VAR would not have given us had JJ not scored. Klich had a fistful of JJ’s shirt
They've been pulling our shirts all evening
They have been doing similar to teams for 60 fucking years
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Coutinho and Ramsay twins
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Great goal, Ramsey will score loads for us, he's like a young Lampard.
We have so many times where a pass is 1-2 yards off from us being in. A full pre-season working together and we'll start making those stick more often.
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Blimey!
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What a fucking goal by JJ. And again a super run and pass by PC
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Yesss
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YYYEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!
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JJ just needs to nod one in now
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Those two are working brilliantly together! Fucking love this.
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What is going on here
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Yesssss JJ
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Get in!
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Jack who? JJ is the real deal.
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Brilliant goal
ditto
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Ramsey is going to be... no, Ramsey is some player right now. Outstanding player.
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Fuck me sideways with an anchor.
Ramsey and Coutinho. Incredible. Like they have a mutual understanding!
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Well done ref there for that goal
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What a pass, what a finish. Delicious
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That’s the third goal they have scored between them. Superb chemistry. You could even claim the one that JJ scored came from Coutinho’s pressure causing an error vs Leicester
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I am going to keep flitting between here and elsewhere. Seems to be working
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fucking hell
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Lovely from Jacob again!
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Did he bury that or bury that?
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Love that goal. The defender went with Watkins and the ball went the other way.
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Aussie does Dallas. Yellow.
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This is fucking brilliant!
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Fuck me sideways with an anchor.
Ramsey and Coutinho. Incredible. Like they have a mutual understanding!
I wondered where my anchor had gone you thieving bugger!
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How the fuck
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What a disaster. Stupid fucking goal if it stands
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Oh.
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Fucking hell ming's let James score
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wake up emi, wtf.
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Fannying about led to that.
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FFS Villa what the fuck was that
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30 fucking seconds before HT. Are you fucking kidding me? Buendia OG in the end
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Should have been 4
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Terrible defending.
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Get Ings on for Watkins
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how tf is daniel james winning that header.
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Fucking hell, what a bizarre half that was. There's definitely more goals to come.
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Another fucking dreadful goal to concede. So easy.
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Brilliant going forward. Defensively a car crash
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What a mess, what the fuck was that. All come from the prat of a ref not giving the foul on Konsa
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James won that header - that's poor.
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Shambolic in parts there, stupid goal to concede at a crucial time as well.
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What a ridiculous half of football that was.
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Did Cash get fouled just before that Digne shot? Looked pretty close to me.
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Mental. Neither side can defend properly.
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Brilliant going forward. Defensively a car crash
Who us or Leeds?
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Deal with James and snuff Leeds out -there’s a plan
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What a half.
Phil and Ramsey my god.
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Was a foul on Konsa before that shit late goal, ref didn't give it and we never recovered.
It's all about who takes their chances from now on. Could be any result.
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Fannying about led to that.
Konsa having his worst game in a very long time.
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Brilliant and abysmal. What a bonkers game of football
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Konsa and Mings need the hairdryer at halftime - totally unacceptable positioning and game sense.
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Was a foul on Konsa before that shit late goal, ref didn't give it and we never recovered.
It's all about who takes their chances from now on. Could be any result.
We are going to muller these second half.
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The back 4 and midfielders need a bollocking for their poor defensive work
going forward - amazing
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But surely VAR checked that? Nah its just Aston Villa
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That was certainly entertaining. Thought JJ and Phil were brilliant.
We seem to work really hard for our goals, but give them away way to easily.
Defensively we look all over the place - We cant handle the movement, and playing DM in a game like this is way above Luiz paygrade
Watkins doesnt seem cute enough for this team
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Brilliant going forward. Defensively a car crash
Who us or Leeds?
Both.
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Konsa should be nowhere near the opposition box in injury time when we have a two goal lead.
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Attacking - amazing, incredible. Beautiful, sexy football.
Defensively - like watching a pig in lipstick and a short skirt
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Was a foul on Konsa before that shit late goal, ref didn't give it and we never recovered.
It's all about who takes their chances from now on. Could be any result.
I mean I’m not pinning that on the ref. We had umpteen opportunities to avert that goal, it was terrible defensive play.
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The back 4 and midfielders need a bollocking for their poor defensive work
going forward - amazing
Alternatively we just need a good DM
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Attacking - amazing, incredible. Beautiful, sexy football.
Defensively - like watching a pig in lipstick and a short skirt
A just description of the ladies in Walsall
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Konsa and Mings need the hairdryer at halftime - totally unacceptable positioning and game sense.
Without wanting to make excuses for them I think part of the problem is that Leeds aren't really playing with a striker and both of our centre backs are struggling with their positioning because of it.
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To be fair to Mings and Konsa, James is getting on their shoulder but there's no pressure on the player putting him in.
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Konsa and Mings have been appalling - as has the defensive midfield. Coutinho and JJ brilliant.
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Was a foul on Konsa before that shit late goal, ref didn't give it and we never recovered.
It's all about who takes their chances from now on. Could be any result.
I mean I’m not pinning that on the ref. We had umpteen opportunities to avert that goal, it was terrible defensive play.
Yep. Was still a foul that wasn't given though.
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Konsa and Mings need the hairdryer at halftime - totally unacceptable positioning and game sense.
Without wanting to make excuses for them I think part of the problem is that Leeds aren't really playing with a striker and both of our centre backs are struggling with their positioning because of it.
He's 5 feet tall and making them look even smaller!
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I don't think it was a foul on Konsa, he was looking for it, stay on hie feet and play the ball
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Really entertaining half of football, esp if you ignore the first 10 mins. I can’t believe Jales won that header for their second. Need to see it again, but… how?
Phill and JJ just on the same wavelength, it’s a thing of beauty to see.
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Mings getting beaten in air by James is embarrassing. Digne then misses a sitter a minute later at opposite end after a great run by Mings. Mad game but we are really struggling to control it.
Thought Coutinho was miles off the pace first 25-30 mins but complete class since. Magical assist for the second. Ramsey, the goal scoring midfielder we have been missing for years.
But...we simply have to play a lot better without the ball in second half. Any of Luiz, McGinn, Watkins or Mings could be taken off at half time without complaint.
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Brilliant going forward. Defensively a car crash
Who us or Leeds?
Both. Gerrard ought to be furious with the defenders. Poorest I've seen Konsa play for a long time.
This could honestly be repeat of the 5 - 5 with Forest
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Philippe Coutinho what a player
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That Coutinho fella is a bit good, isn't he? The second half of the season is going to be fun, like the Carbone-Merson period I think.
We are getting bamboozled by Leeds' one-twos and give-and-gos way too much though.
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Get Mings off at HT
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Seeing their second again, easy to point the finger at Mings again there, outdone by a short arse.
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Ramsey is fucking brilliant. Best young player at his age I’ve ever seen.
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Mings on the other hand is number one to be replaced. Leeds fans are singing “Tyrone Mings is fucking shit”. They’re not far wrong.
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Who does Coutinho think he is! Should be playing it sideways or out of touch. Safety first.
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I hope that was our crap half.
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Ramsey is fucking brilliant. Best young player at his age I’ve ever seen.
Agreed. He is Gerrard-esque.
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That was certainly entertaining. Thought JJ and Phil were brilliant.
We seem to work really hard for our goals, but give them away way to easily.
Defensively we look all over the place - We cant handle the movement, and playing DM in a game like this is way above Luiz paygrade
Watkins doesnt seem cute enough for this team
Agree with all of that.
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Those Cuotihino - Ramsey goals, havent celebrated so much for as long as I can remember. All about couthino and couthino and ramsey.
Leeds are very dangerous all the time I think , can sense the danger every time when they come running, and we dont seem able to stop them effectively, based on that I m not very optimistic about the 2. half, its how we have lost to them two? last? times at villa park I think
Commentator said it was the best 1. half he had seen all year :)
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If we had a proper DM we'd be coasting.
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That Coutinho fella is a bit good, isn't he? The second half of the season is going to be fun, like the Carbone-Merson period I think.
We are getting bamboozled by Leeds' one-twos and give-and-gos way too much though.
He’s better than either of them on this evidence, and they were both quality especially Merson. That bit of skill for our second goal is one of the best things I’ve seen a Villa player do. The goal was superb and the assist for the third was very tidy. Well done Ramsey too, especially for our third, breaking through and a top finish.
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A fantastic game to watch but should have gone in at half time 3-1 up, I can't recall seeing Konsa play this bad in a Villa shirt.
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Dear Second Half Santa,
For this second half I would like:
A clean sheet
A Ramsey hattrick
A Watkins tap in from 6 yards
Thanks!
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No way this finishes 3-2. Both teams dangerous going forward, both defences jittery. Oh and 1993 called asking for its referee back.
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Ramsey is just so good to watch. We've got a star on our hands there.
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Looks like he’s pulled Ramsey back to a more defensive left side this half?
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Fannying about again at the back there. Drives me nuts.
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Dear Second Half Santa,
For this second half I would like:
A clean sheet
A Ramsey hattrick
A Watkins tap in from 6 yards
Thanks!
with the best will in the world, I don't think JJ will score a 2nd half hattrick
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Dear Second Half Santa,
For this second half I would like:
A clean sheet
A Ramsey hattrick
A Watkins tap in from 6 yards
Thanks!
with the best will in the world, I don't think JJ will score a 2nd half hattrick
Yeah greed - seconded half brace will be fine
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Should have been a yellow there
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Luiz too slow releasing that
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The team look way fitter and quicker.
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They are getting onto the ball far quicker again
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Why are we still letting Mings go on a rampage? Keep a bit of shape.
We need a better version of Watkins. Ings isn't the answer either.
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The team look way fitter and quicker.
Than Leeds or than before?
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How is Ayling not been booked?
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I sense another McPhee master stroke here
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So when is Ayling going to get booked?
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So when is Ayling going to get booked?
Right at the end of the game after / just before he has scored.
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I like the look of Digne
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Watkins is a just not quite at the races.
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I honestly don't recognise the sport that Coutinho plays.
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Watkins is a just not quite at the races.
Since the end of last season. No confidence.
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Chuck him on
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Buendia injured, off for Carney.
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Shame for Emi.
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That's really bad luck for Buendia, he's been superb of late.
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Hope it’s a precaution for Emi B
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Let's see what Chucky is all about.
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brilliant from Mings there
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Then not so brilliant from Mings!
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Fuck off!
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Oh FUCK OFF
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Ffs
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Ugh
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Balls
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Oh FFS. Fuck off. FUCK. OFF.
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Superb clearance Mings
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Emi has been weak tonight.
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Fuck off
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Oh for fucks sake
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Fucks sake
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Phew well done Ty
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Fucking Mings again
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Fucking panic every tie they attack. Sort it fucking out
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So slow to react
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Mings can't do all the defending on his own - poor bloke needs a hand.
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We’ve been inviting it. A fucking atrocious defensive display.
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Defence has been all over the place tonight. Really poor.
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Mings really is a massive liability, all 3 goals down to him.
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It was 3-1, it was 3 fucking 1. For the love of god!
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Fucking Mings
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Mings is on fire tonight.
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Mings really is a massive liability, all 3 goals down to him.
This.
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Is McGinn playing tonight? Does Bielsa have a back problem?
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Oh Tyrone, it looks like your days are numbered.
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Mings is on fire tonight.
Unbelievable....his inability to kick a ball with his right foot will always hold him back. Martinez has looked shaky tonight too.
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Forgot McGinn was playing.
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This is unacceptable.
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Chucky wrong first sub again by Gerrard....
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been an awful defensive display
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Mings really is a massive liability, all 3 goals down to him.
This.
Can't really blame him for the last one. He was on his heels when the ball came to him so couldn't make a strong connection
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Forgot McGinn was playing.
Another ball out of play, that's McGinn
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Honestly can't remember when a player has been at fault for 3 goals in a game, fucking shambolic.
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Coutinho and Ramsey must be livid what what they've got behind them
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3-1 in first half stoppage time, and Konsa decides to go for a Messi. This is a defensive horror show, can see us losing it now.
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Watkins and McGinn off for me now.
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John McGinn’s preseason should be six weeks of practice using his right foot.
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Watkins has contributed literally nothing tonight.
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For me the problem is more the base of midfield mcginn and luiz have been poor.
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get Ings on
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Not going well this. 3-3 Buendia off and now Courinho injured
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get Ings on
This.
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Don’t think Mings will be playing for us next season.
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Can we ever have nice things?
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With the players we've got it's ridiculous if we don't win against these.
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How is Konsa the 1st yellow card?
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How is Konsa the 1st yellow card?
Bizarre
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We've been pretty shit this half it's got to be said. Especially since Buendia has gone off.
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Don’t think Mings will be playing for us next season.
The Graun interview was not great
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Well this has really gone tits up.
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2nd Dallas also booked
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Poor use of bench again, we needed changes 10 mins ago
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Watkins is a complete passenger. Not in the game at all. Same with Luiz.
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2nd Dallas also booked
Commentators said the 1st
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They had one booked as we celebrated one of our goals
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2nd Dallas also booked
Commentators said the 1st
Booked in the foul for our 3-1
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At 8:40 I was regretting not making the 500 mile round trip.
At 9:35 I'm so glad I didn't.
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Run out of steam here. Totally unprofessional performance
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Gerrard said he wants the team in every game entering the last 15 min with a chance to win and have the energy to finish strongly. Let's see if that is the case.
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They look more likely to win it. Wankers.
And I've got a better first touch than Watkins, and I'm shit.
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this sums up the hole SG era so far for me - lots of promise, but still the nagging sense that this isn't going to work out quite right
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2nd Dallas also booked
Commentators said the 1st
Booked in the foul for our 3-1
You're right - I remember now
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Run out of steam here. Totally unprofessional performance
Really? I say fair play to Leeds and shame we’ve had a few injuries this half
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At 8:40 I was regretting not making the 500 mile round trip.
At 9:35 I'm so glad I didn't.
What are you doing in Chester, Jon?
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Douglas Luiz casual and they have another set piece. Not good enough.
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this sums up the hole SG era so far for me - lots of promise, but still the nagging sense that this isn't going to work out quite right
Smith was panned for having poor game management, but Gerrard has shown so far that his is no better
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this sums up the hole SG era so far for me - lots of promise, but still the nagging sense that this isn't going to work out quite right
era? He's been here less than 3 months
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If you score 3 goals and don’t win then something is wrong.
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Run out of steam here. Totally unprofessional performance
It looked like we'd run out of steam after 50 minutes. Pathetic second half.
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We’ve been fucking atrocious in the second half.
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Well this has really gone tits up.
It really is criminal that we've got ourselves in this position after being 3-1 up in 1st half stoppage time. Leeds are so annoying, the football equivalent of chewing gum in your hair.
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They look the more likely at the moment
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Coutinho man of the match.
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I really don't like Leeds but apart from that little purple patch of ours, they've been by far the better team tonight.
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this sums up the hole SG era so far for me - lots of promise, but still the nagging sense that this isn't going to work out quite right
era? He's been here less than 3 months
Ok this sums up SG's start to his rein for me
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this sums up the hole SG era so far for me - lots of promise, but still the nagging sense that this isn't going to work out quite right
I honestly think he is MON Mark II.
Lots of passion, runs up and down the touchline, senior player(s) say how great he is, lots of money spent on wages, focus on how good one or two players have improved and the results and performances especially don't match the fucking hype
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Phil off for Young.
WHAT THE FRIGGING FUCK SG!!.
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Douglas Luiz casual and they have another set piece. Not good enough.
I've defended him on here but he has been a joke tonight. Far from the only one. Most of our players have been poor/rotten. Leeds are missing their three best players.
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TF, I think, the City game’s over. I’m in Manchester and they’ve put our game back on in the pub we’re in.
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Have we had a shot second half?
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Apart from Phil, Ramsey and Buendia we have be shite.
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Have we had a shot second half?
Coutinho just wide for 1
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Apart from Phil, Ramsey and Buendia we have be shite.
Yeah think thats a fair summary
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Have we had a shot second half?
Coutinho just wide for 1
One by Mings just.
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Why isn’t Ings on?
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Is McGinn on thr pitch?
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Bloody hell Mings a man outside you completely unmarked and you shoot from 35 yards!
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Watkins looks shot.
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Its 3-3 written all over it now I think.
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Watkins looks shot.
Watch him get the winner.
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Watkins looks shot.
It's i, not o.
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Its 3-3 written all over it now I think.
That’s fucked it
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Its 3-3 written all over it now I think.
You know what you’ve done there?
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As someone said earlier SGs game management is abysmal.
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Chuk doesn't look too sharp for me
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Its 3-3 written all over it now I think.
Ffs?
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Konsa off
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What a twat.
What shit game management
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Not very intelligent from Konsa there
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What the fuck is Konsa doing there? That is utterly stupid. Ridiculous.
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Shit show apart from 15 mins in first half
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Konza has a lot of credit in the bank but that was fucking stupid and he may have cost us the game.
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Sums up Luiz's night and ours as well.
Don't think it was a yellow though.
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It's inevitable this. I fucking hate Leeds.
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What the fuck Konsa you prick!
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Mings and Konsa have been embarrassing today.
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Watkins looks shot.
Watch him get the winner.
When exactly? Next season for a Championship team?
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That should have been red for Konsa. Worst I've ever seen him play, horror show.
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Just make sure we don't lose it now. Take the draw.
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Sums up Luiz's night and ours as well.
Don't think it was a yellow though.
Sorry it was a nailed on yellow
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Its 3-3 written all over it now I think.
Um, I'll take that!
Konsa's red has summed up the defence's night. They've played cats in the vicinity of catnip.
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If they're going to start giving yellow cards to players trying to stop goalies kicking the ball back down field after a corner, there are going to be a lot of yellows.
Ah, maybe an elbow?
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Nothing wrong with that from Cash. Never a foul
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I'm just not convinced by Luiz. Nice player but not transformational in any way.
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Mings and Konsa both deserve a minus rating tonight. Utterly embarrassing.
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Mings and Konsa have both had perhaps their first ever games for us tonight. Weird.
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Referee has lost the plot, nothing whatsoever wrong with that tackle.
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8 minutes????????
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As someone said earlier SGs game management is abysmal.
Tim Sherwood with a scouse accent
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Referee has lost the plot, nothing whatsoever wrong with that tackle.
Was old man Bielsa's reaction
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8 minutes to hang on to a 3-3 after leading 3-1 at 40 minutes. Pathetic.
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As someone said earlier SGs game management is abysmal.
Tim Sherwood with a scouse accent
Oh do fuck off.
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Bricking it
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Young and Chucky have been dreadful too.
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I don’t think he could have made shitter substutions if he tried
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Its 3-3 written all over it now I think.
You know what you’ve done there?
No, enlighten me
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8 minutes. Or play until Leeds score, basically.
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really disapointing
Other than Ramsey - every player seems to have regressed since last season
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Good work by McGinn
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8 where how?!?
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As someone said earlier SGs game management is abysmal.
Tim Sherwood with a scouse accent
while you're slagging him off the bloke on the bucket, the bestest manager in the world, who has had a full pre season and full season to date is sitting in the bottom 6
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I don’t think he could have made shitter substutions if he tried
As I said before this has Martin O'Neill MK II written all over it
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For 75 minutes tonight we’ve been mostly gash
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Sums up Luiz's night and ours as well.
Don't think it was a yellow though.
Sorry it was a nailed on yellow
Yes I know, bad night for me too. Thought it was Luiz.
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We're just hoofing it now. Poor.
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As someone said earlier SGs game management is abysmal.
Tim Sherwood with a scouse accent
while you're slagging him off the bloke on the bucket, the bestest manager in the world, who has had a full pre season and full season to date is sitting in the bottom 6
Whose team are missing their best players, yet have still outplayed us bar 15-20 minutes.
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I'm really coming to the conclusion that managers are unimportant. You could put me in charge.
If your players are good, you'll win.
At least Gerrard can attract good ones.
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Feels like a defeat already.
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Glad for the point in the end.
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Quite honestly we don't deserve a winner here.
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Phew. Not happy but phew.
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Manager can't control the players
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I'm really coming to the conclusion that managers are unimportant. You could put me in charge.
If your players are good, you'll win.
At least Gerrard can attract good ones.
Southgate can't attract too many good players and is the 2nd best England manager ever
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Two points dropped.
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That second half performance was dire. Great 15 at the end of the first half though. Watkins offers nothing at present. Doug's been poor. Set pieces both attacking and defending were largely poor. McGinn invisible.