Post by: Demitri_C on October 31, 2021, 06:47:10 PM
So that leaves looking at a international managed whoch i would be happy with.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on October 31, 2021, 06:47:38 PM
Who would you like?
Who do you think we will get?
Post by: LukeJames on October 31, 2021, 06:51:21 PM
What I dont want is Gerrard, Lampard, Terry.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 31, 2021, 06:52:30 PM
Definitely not any roll of the dice Sherwood-type manager like Lampard, Gerrard or Terry.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on October 31, 2021, 06:52:44 PM
Gasperini.
What I dont want is Gerrard, Lampard, Terry.
Agree with that
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 31, 2021, 06:53:15 PM
I don’t feel there is an obvious candidate out there at the moment but the following would be linked
Potter - villa fan but often plays 3 at the back which doesn’t suit our current squad and may write off signings such as Bailey/Traore
Conte - available, expensive and plays 3 at the back
Atalanta’s manager - They appear to be the clubs that are consistently punching above their weight in Europe
Koeman/Zidane - I think they’re average but are available.
Post by: Demitri_C on October 31, 2021, 06:53:28 PM
The Ajax bloke, have already forgotten his name. But him. Or somebody fancy from somewhere like Germany.
Definitely not any roll of the dice Sherwood-type manager like Lampard, Gerrard or Terry.
Thats a good shout but would him come? I would be happy to hijack Newcastle move for fonseca
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 31, 2021, 06:53:29 PM
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on October 31, 2021, 06:54:26 PM
Can we get a merge, please mods?
Yes please 😎
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 31, 2021, 06:55:21 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on October 31, 2021, 06:55:22 PM
Would not be surprised if we ended up with Nuno, who did well at Wolves and would make us more solid.
Post by: CT Villan on October 31, 2021, 06:56:48 PM
Post by: four fornicholl on October 31, 2021, 06:57:01 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on October 31, 2021, 06:57:57 PM
I would like Hassenhutti from Southampton, who punch above their weight and have a recognisable system that could suit the squad.
Would not be surprised if we ended up with Nuno, who did well at Wolves and would make us more solid.
Id be ok with nuno. He just has a difficult job at spurs after the mess jose left and a unhappy kane
Nuno would get us more solid.i also think ralph is very good. With ings too he would get himplayin some great stuff
Post by: villadelph on October 31, 2021, 06:58:27 PM
Post by: TonyD on October 31, 2021, 06:59:47 PM
What’s Eddie Howe doing?No thanks. Boring.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 31, 2021, 06:59:56 PM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on October 31, 2021, 07:00:56 PM
What’s Eddie Howe doing?
Not being interviewed for the Villa job I hope
Post by: RichardBatchelor on October 31, 2021, 07:01:00 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on October 31, 2021, 07:01:28 PM
That lad at Mainz might be an idea. If not, Guardiola or Klopp.
Yeah, I'd much rather punt at someone like Mainz man than the likes of Terry or Lampard. No point in changing otherwise.
Post by: Demitri_C on October 31, 2021, 07:04:42 PM
Nobody thanks. Happy to work through this bad patch and come out the other side.
The other side in the championship. No thanks
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on October 31, 2021, 07:05:29 PM
That lad at Mainz might be an idea. If not, Guardiola or Klopp.
Bo Svensson has a better points percentage at Mainz than Klopp or Tuchel had there. He's studied and learnt from both Klopp and Tuchel, they both rate him.
Go and prise him away from there now because if we don't in about a year from now you will be seeing him turning up in the Premier with a scab 6 club or Newcastle.
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 31, 2021, 07:06:38 PM
Paulo Fonseca
Frank Lampard
Eddie Howe
Get the feeling all four would be interviewed or at least approached via agents to see what they're thinking.
Pros and cons for all of those of course but when you're a bottom 6 team you're not going to get an amazing manager tbh unless you luck out on a Pochettino type (who Southampton got when they were 19th).
Post by: CT Villan on October 31, 2021, 07:07:13 PM
Antonio Conte
Zidane
Ernesto Valverde
Paulo Fonseca
Diego Martinez
Lucien Favre
Andre Villas-Boas
Quique Setien
Post by: Billy Walker on October 31, 2021, 07:08:28 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 31, 2021, 07:08:31 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 31, 2021, 07:08:48 PM
A simple test should be "would Lerner have appointed him"? If the answer is "yes", then don't be so bloody stupid.
Post by: Demitri_C on October 31, 2021, 07:09:20 PM
Nuno is still a execllent manager just been thrown under the bus by levy
Post by: KevinGage on October 31, 2021, 07:11:11 PM
Post by: Ian. on October 31, 2021, 07:11:33 PM
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on October 31, 2021, 07:11:56 PM
Part of my reasoning for still not being fully convinced that Smith should go is my worry that we will end up with Gerrard, Lampard or Terry.
A simple test should be "would Lerner have appointed him"? If the answer is "yes", then don't be so bloody stupid.
This is so key, it’s not just a case of get Smith out (however terrible the football is at the moment). I don’t watch enough football that’s not Villa to know who to go for though. I really hope that the Villa hierarchy do, I have some trust in them and this is their biggest decision to date.
Post by: richtheholtender on October 31, 2021, 07:12:08 PM
Post by: Risso on October 31, 2021, 07:13:37 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 31, 2021, 07:16:24 PM
Attainable or not, here's some of the leading unemployed managers...
Antonio Conte
Zidane
Ernesto Valverde
Paulo Fonseca
Diego Martinez
Lucien Favre
Andre Villas-Boas
Quique Setien
Valverde probably most realistic and interesting from those (Quique Setien does play beautiful football though but not very good defensively).
Last managed Barca but also managed Bilbao, Espanyol and Olympiakos in last decade and won stuff so shouldn't be off the radar at all.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 31, 2021, 07:20:02 PM
Part of my reasoning for still not being fully convinced that Smith should go is my worry that we will end up with Gerrard, Lampard or Terry.
A simple test should be "would Lerner have appointed him"? If the answer is "yes", then don't be so bloody stupid.
This is so key, it’s not just a case of get Smith out (however terrible the football is at the moment). I don’t watch enough football that’s not Villa to know who to go for though. I really hope that the Villa hierarchy do, I have some trust in them and this is their biggest decision to date.
Welcome, Roy Hodgson.
Post by: Ian. on October 31, 2021, 07:20:04 PM
Id take fonseca or nuno if spurs sack him.Nuno? No way, dull is dishwater and loves a back five with wing backs. Fuck no!!
Nuno is still a execllent manager just been thrown under the bus by levy
Post by: ozzjim on October 31, 2021, 07:25:33 PM
I'd like Fonseca. Think he would be a good appointment.
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 31, 2021, 07:29:19 PM
Part of my reasoning for still not being fully convinced that Smith should go is my worry that we will end up with Gerrard, Lampard or Terry.
A simple test should be "would Lerner have appointed him"? If the answer is "yes", then don't be so bloody stupid.
This is so key, it’s not just a case of get Smith out (however terrible the football is at the moment). I don’t watch enough football that’s not Villa to know who to go for though. I really hope that the Villa hierarchy do, I have some trust in them and this is their biggest decision to date.
Welcome, Roy Hodgson.
Think Roy would be much better in this situation compared to say Houllier a decade ago but yeah hard to be taken seriously for future if we're appointing what a nearly 75 year old manager?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 31, 2021, 07:31:57 PM
More likely : Stevie G
No thanks : Eddie Howe
Post by: Demitri_C on October 31, 2021, 07:39:49 PM
None of these calibre managers for me.
Fonseca ticks all the boxes for me
Post by: Rigadon on October 31, 2021, 07:42:43 PM
Preferred : Lucien Favre
More likely : Stevie G
No thanks : Eddie Howe
Yes.
Post by: brontebilly on October 31, 2021, 07:43:09 PM
Luciene Favre.
Paulo Fonseca
Frank Lampard
Eddie Howe
Get the feeling all four would be interviewed or at least approached via agents to see what they're thinking.
Pros and cons for all of those of course but when you're a bottom 6 team you're not going to get an amazing manager tbh unless you luck out on a Pochettino type (who Southampton got when they were 19th).
The bottom two should be nowhere near any EPL job, not to mind AVFC.
Post by: TopDeck113 on October 31, 2021, 07:48:34 PM
One Villa manager in my lifetime going dewy-eyed on his return to Anfield was one too many.
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 31, 2021, 07:48:49 PM
Post by: Stu on October 31, 2021, 07:50:55 PM
Preferred : Lucien Favre
More likely : Stevie G
Who we will actually end up with : Eddie Howe
Fixed it for you, etc
Post by: Stu on October 31, 2021, 07:51:08 PM
Post by: Stu on October 31, 2021, 07:51:25 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 31, 2021, 07:54:21 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 31, 2021, 07:54:35 PM
Mick McCarthy is availableFucking hell.
Post by: Demitri_C on October 31, 2021, 07:57:11 PM
Gareth Southgate.
If we want a cure for insomnia then a good shout. Just bring your pjs slippers and pillows to villa park
Post by: Grande Pablo on October 31, 2021, 07:57:19 PM
We'll stick for a few more weeks yet. Smith have bought enough credit with the owners to be given the chance.
Post by: Demitri_C on October 31, 2021, 08:00:04 PM
Remi Garde is looking for work...
We'll stick for a few more weeks yet. Smith have bought enough credit with the owners to be given the chance.
He jas been given enough chances. Its time to go. Smith isnt turning this around unfortunately
Post by: Ian. on October 31, 2021, 08:00:35 PM
Post by: Stu on October 31, 2021, 08:01:21 PM
Mick McCarthy is availableFucking hell.
I take it back.
Conte. He'll be champing at the bit to come here with our recruitment tactic of buying low and selling high without ever really kicking on and being in a constant state of arrested development.
Post by: Demitri_C on October 31, 2021, 08:02:25 PM
This is supposed to be wishful thinking. Nuno, Southgate, Garde, Big Mick, where’s Curbishly these days?
Lets throw in ian beale while we are at it with phil mitchell as his no 2
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 31, 2021, 08:10:05 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 31, 2021, 08:10:11 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 31, 2021, 08:10:27 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 31, 2021, 08:10:45 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 31, 2021, 08:16:04 PM
Gareth Southgate.
If we want a cure for insomnia then a good shout. Just bring your pjs slippers and pillows to villa park
And yet on another thread you’re calling for a big name? He’s the manager of the national side, how big a name is it you want?
Post by: ozzjim on October 31, 2021, 08:16:11 PM
Favre would be my second choice.
Whisper it quietly but I actually think Terry would do a good job too, but I don't want him as our manager.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 31, 2021, 08:16:41 PM
Post by: paul_e on October 31, 2021, 08:16:59 PM
I have no idea which way things are going to go right now but I do think this thread will probably become more important in the next week or so.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 31, 2021, 08:17:34 PM
Whisper it quietly but I actually think Terry would do a good job too, but I don't want him as our manager.
Fuck that. I'd rather bring Steve Bruce back.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on October 31, 2021, 08:21:29 PM
There is no question he is close to the sack. Who do you fancy? For me there is no british managers id take other than rodgers and we cant get him for obvious reasons. I mean i dont think potter is the answer either and i doubt he will come.
So that leaves looking at a international managed whoch i would be happy with.
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You represent a vocal, poisonous minority, like the people getting headlines for saying covid’s a hoax. I’ll bet the Holte won’t want Smith out. It’s losing run of four, amid three years of remits being continually met. You continue to moan loudly, your right - the owners won’t be listening.
Post by: brontebilly on October 31, 2021, 08:26:59 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 31, 2021, 08:29:38 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on October 31, 2021, 08:34:10 PM
Alternatively we could go for Ioan Llywelyn, manager of Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 31, 2021, 08:37:38 PM
If you want a big name manager how about seeing who is doing well in the Sri Lankan premier league ?
Alternatively we could go for Ioan Llywelyn, manager of Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.
He's never on time.
Post by: UK Redsox on October 31, 2021, 08:39:02 PM
Favre would be my second choice.
Brett ?
Post by: Stu on October 31, 2021, 08:39:32 PM
There is no question he is close to the sack. Who do you fancy? For me there is no british managers id take other than rodgers and we cant get him for obvious reasons. I mean i dont think potter is the answer either and i doubt he will come.
So that leaves looking at a international managed whoch i would be happy with.
You represent a vocal, poisonous minority, like the people getting headlines for saying covid’s a hoax...
Leaving aside the pretty, uh, 'robust' accusation of Demitri being "poisonous", there isn't a lack of evidence for the team being well beaten four times in a row.
Post by: UK Redsox on October 31, 2021, 08:39:52 PM
Post by: Stu on October 31, 2021, 08:40:56 PM
Shakey as caretaker until the end of the season and then through mega millions at Pep.
When McCarthy is available!?
Post by: Richard E on October 31, 2021, 08:42:27 PM
Favre would be my second choice.
Brett ?
Him or Aaron Rodgers from Leicester
Post by: JJ-AV on October 31, 2021, 08:44:01 PM
Post by: passport1 on October 31, 2021, 08:47:02 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on October 31, 2021, 08:53:03 PM
Gareth Southgate.
If we want a cure for insomnia then a good shout. Just bring your pjs slippers and pillows to villa park
And yet on another thread you’re calling for a big name? He’s the manager of the national side, how big a name is it you want?
Are you seriously calling gareth southgate a big name?
Post by: villadelph on October 31, 2021, 08:54:33 PM
I always get fearfull when theses threads appear. Mainly that the owners will be daft enough to take the suggestions seriously.
Yeah.. we should take Sir Alex’s advice and appoint McLeish or Bruce again. ::)
Post by: Demitri_C on October 31, 2021, 08:58:23 PM
There is no question he is close to the sack. Who do you fancy? For me there is no british managers id take other than rodgers and we cant get him for obvious reasons. I mean i dont think potter is the answer either and i doubt he will come.
So that leaves looking at a international managed whoch i would be happy with.
[/quot
You represent a vocal, poisonous minority, like the people getting headlines for saying covid’s a hoax. I’ll bet the Holte won’t want Smith out. It’s losing run of four, amid three years of remits being continually met. You continue to moan loudly, your right - the owners won’t be listening.
Poisonous? What are you waffling about? Four straight defeats, 7 conceded in the last two make it 10 in three. Losing a game in last 10 minutes before being 2 up?
Playing dreadful football. Making poor subs and playing players like young in a position that he doesnt play. Sticking with a system thats utterly failed (5 at the back) players not playing for the manager showing little passion or heart.
Need i go on? You continue to bury your head in the sand and think eveything is ok because he a villa fan but dont you dare tell me and other fans we are being poisonous because we feel deans times up.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on October 31, 2021, 09:10:11 PM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on October 31, 2021, 09:11:03 PM
Remi Garde if he’s not too busy hijacking our trawlers
Dear me 🙄
Post by: RichardBatchelor on October 31, 2021, 09:13:19 PM
'Poisonous' is a bit strong, Richard.
All apologies.
I just think that the majority of fans don’t want Smith out yet and that the internet is such a potentially harmful tool to enforce knee -jerk decisions. So I’m suggesting that the positive vote for ‘Smith Out’ doesn’t really reflect Villa fans views.
I firmly believe the club is moving in the right direction and this is just a bad patch caused by Grealish leaving, injuries, a very poor start from Buendia, Mings’ loss of form and not having yet found the right formation post-Grealish. I think at this juncture it would be a terrible mistake to sack Smith - and yes, it does count that he’s a Villa fan and a good fit.
Again, though, I apologise if my choice of words was harsh. Sorry.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on October 31, 2021, 09:22:45 PM
Post by: Risso on October 31, 2021, 09:26:20 PM
You represent a vocal, poisonous minority, like the people getting headlines for saying covid’s a hoax. I’ll bet the Holte won’t want Smith out. It’s losing run of four, amid three years of remits being continually met. You continue to moan loudly, your right - the owners won’t be listening.
There were more West Ham fans left in the Witton at the final whistle today, by a factor of about 4-1. I reckon there were about 10K fans left in Villa Park at the end in total, and the ones who did stick it out let their feelings be known. Everybody sat around me was unanimous in their decision that it was time for Smith to go.
Post by: Ads on October 31, 2021, 09:28:13 PM
Post by: Richard E on October 31, 2021, 09:29:26 PM
I was sat in the Holte. I sadly want Smith to go. He's not up to it.
So was I and so do I.
Post by: Taylor on October 31, 2021, 09:33:57 PM
It’s amazing isn’t it. “Everyone” sat around you. I expect the ones who are behind Smith probably keep their opinions to themselves.
You represent a vocal, poisonous minority, like the people getting headlines for saying covid’s a hoax. I’ll bet the Holte won’t want Smith out. It’s losing run of four, amid three years of remits being continually met. You continue to moan loudly, your right - the owners won’t be listening.
There were more West Ham fans left in the Witton at the final whistle today, by a factor of about 4-1. I reckon there were about 10K fans left in Villa Park at the end in total, and the ones who did stick it out let their feelings be known. Everybody sat around me was unanimous in their decision that it was time for Smith to go.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 31, 2021, 09:35:47 PM
I would like Hassenhutti from Southampton, who punch above their weight and have a recognisable system that could suit the squad.
Would not be surprised if we ended up with Nuno, who did
well at Wolves and would make us more solid.
Hassenhuttl would be one of my top choices.
Post by: Allan C on October 31, 2021, 09:37:30 PM
Why does it matter if Dean is or isn’t a Villa fan? I don’t understand, I couldn’t care who our manager supports or supported when he was young, I want the best manager we could have.Spot on. It should have absolutely no bearing on who we hire or who we fire.
Post by: Risso on October 31, 2021, 09:37:53 PM
It’s amazing isn’t it. “Everyone” sat around you. I expect the ones who are behind Smith probably keep their opinions to themselves.
You represent a vocal, poisonous minority, like the people getting headlines for saying covid’s a hoax. I’ll bet the Holte won’t want Smith out. It’s losing run of four, amid three years of remits being continually met. You continue to moan loudly, your right - the owners won’t be listening.
There were more West Ham fans left in the Witton at the final whistle today, by a factor of about 4-1. I reckon there were about 10K fans left in Villa Park at the end in total, and the ones who did stick it out let their feelings be known. Everybody sat around me was unanimous in their decision that it was time for Smith to go.
They'd probably fucked off 15 minutes before the final whistle, like the other 30,000.
Post by: Ads on October 31, 2021, 09:38:36 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 31, 2021, 09:40:45 PM
I'm clearly the best fan on here and I want him gone. So that settles that.
oh yeh show us your programmes and badges Love :D
Post by: paul_e on October 31, 2021, 09:50:03 PM
'Poisonous' is a bit strong, Richard.
All apologies.
I just think that the majority of fans don’t want Smith out yet and that the internet is such a potentially harmful tool to enforce knee -jerk decisions. So I’m suggesting that the positive vote for ‘Smith Out’ doesn’t really reflect Villa fans views.
I firmly believe the club is moving in the right direction and this is just a bad patch caused by Grealish leaving, injuries, a very poor start from Buendia, Mings’ loss of form and not having yet found the right formation post-Grealish. I think at this juncture it would be a terrible mistake to sack Smith - and yes, it does count that he’s a Villa fan and a good fit.
Again, though, I apologise if my choice of words was harsh. Sorry.
Is 10 games into the season and with £80m of wingers in the squad the right time to be toying around with wingerless formations though?
Post by: Ads on October 31, 2021, 09:50:42 PM
I'm clearly the best fan on here and I want him gone. So that settles that.
oh yeh show us your programmes and badges Love :D
Merch is for day trippers.
Post by: Demitri_C on October 31, 2021, 09:52:31 PM
'Poisonous' is a bit strong, Richard.
All apologies.
I just think that the majority of fans don’t want Smith out yet and that the internet is such a potentially harmful tool to enforce knee -jerk decisions. So I’m suggesting that the positive vote for ‘Smith Out’ doesn’t really reflect Villa fans views.
I firmly believe the club is moving in the right direction and this is just a bad patch caused by Grealish leaving, injuries, a very poor start from Buendia, Mings’ loss of form and not having yet found the right formation post-Grealish. I think at this juncture it would be a terrible mistake to sack Smith - and yes, it does count that he’s a Villa fan and a good fit.
Again, though, I apologise if my choice of words was harsh. Sorry.
Richard no worries and i apologise for saying you was waffling. without taking the piss and not trying to troll you but im genuinely interested why you think club is going in right direction under smith?
The last four results have been a complete shambles. We have conceded 10 in the last three. Struggled to get the best out of ollie, ings and buendia this year, and 7 wins from 29. Honestly unless i am missing something how are we moving in the right direction?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 31, 2021, 09:53:05 PM
I'm clearly the best fan on here and I want him gone. So that settles that.
oh yeh show us your programmes and badges Love :D
Merch is for day trippers.
careful sir or I will whip you with my half and half scarf
Post by: TelfordVilla on October 31, 2021, 09:53:34 PM
none of the wingers have been fit for more than ten minutes yet..'Poisonous' is a bit strong, Richard.
All apologies.
I just think that the majority of fans don’t want Smith out yet and that the internet is such a potentially harmful tool to enforce knee -jerk decisions. So I’m suggesting that the positive vote for ‘Smith Out’ doesn’t really reflect Villa fans views.
I firmly believe the club is moving in the right direction and this is just a bad patch caused by Grealish leaving, injuries, a very poor start from Buendia, Mings’ loss of form and not having yet found the right formation post-Grealish. I think at this juncture it would be a terrible mistake to sack Smith - and yes, it does count that he’s a Villa fan and a good fit.
Again, though, I apologise if my choice of words was harsh. Sorry.
Is 10 games into the season and with £80m of wingers in the squad the right time to be toying around with wingerless formations though?
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 31, 2021, 09:53:36 PM
Gareth Southgate.
If we want a cure for insomnia then a good shout. Just bring your pjs slippers and pillows to villa park
And yet on another thread you’re calling for a big name? He’s the manager of the national side, how big a name is it you want?
Are you seriously calling gareth southgate a big name?
How about you tell us these big names of yours then?
Post by: ozzjim on October 31, 2021, 09:54:58 PM
Post by: SteveN on October 31, 2021, 10:05:07 PM
Post by: The_ads on October 31, 2021, 10:08:25 PM
What’s Eddie Howe doing?
I’m not being funny but if we ditched Smith for Howe I’d be fucking suicidal and borderline alcoholic. If we are getting rid of Smith we’ve got to think fucking big.
Post by: paul_e on October 31, 2021, 10:18:20 PM
none of the wingers have been fit for more than ten minutes yet..'Poisonous' is a bit strong, Richard.
All apologies.
I just think that the majority of fans don’t want Smith out yet and that the internet is such a potentially harmful tool to enforce knee -jerk decisions. So I’m suggesting that the positive vote for ‘Smith Out’ doesn’t really reflect Villa fans views.
I firmly believe the club is moving in the right direction and this is just a bad patch caused by Grealish leaving, injuries, a very poor start from Buendia, Mings’ loss of form and not having yet found the right formation post-Grealish. I think at this juncture it would be a terrible mistake to sack Smith - and yes, it does count that he’s a Villa fan and a good fit.
Again, though, I apologise if my choice of words was harsh. Sorry.
Is 10 games into the season and with £80m of wingers in the squad the right time to be toying around with wingerless formations though?
To an extent but even with injuries Buendia, AEG and JPB have been available and at a stretch Watkins out wide would be better than changing the formation when you're trying to settle new players in and get the squad used to playing without Grealish. Changing the shape only to have to change it again when everyone is fit was only ever gonig to make it more difficult for people, playing Buendia in centre mid seems to have ruined his confidence, I feel sorry for him because loads of people are questioning his value when he's barely been given a chance to play the role that earned him the move.
Post by: Risso on October 31, 2021, 10:21:45 PM
Gareth Southgate.
If we want a cure for insomnia then a good shout. Just bring your pjs slippers and pillows to villa park
And yet on another thread you’re calling for a big name? He’s the manager of the national side, how big a name is it you want?
Are you seriously calling gareth southgate a big name?
How about you tell us these big names of yours then?
Francisco Javier García Pimienta
Post by: Fred Crump on October 31, 2021, 10:36:10 PM
Gareth Southgate.
If we want a cure for insomnia then a good shout. Just bring your pjs slippers and pillows to villa park
And yet on another thread you’re calling for a big name? He’s the manager of the national side, how big a name is it you want?
Are you seriously calling gareth southgate a big name?
How about you tell us these big names of yours then?
Francisco Javier García Pimienta
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Post by: Hillbilly on November 01, 2021, 12:15:59 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 01, 2021, 12:19:30 AM
Post by: ozzjim on November 01, 2021, 05:03:10 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 01, 2021, 06:05:43 AM
Gareth Southgate.
If we want a cure for insomnia then a good shout. Just bring your pjs slippers and pillows to villa park
And yet on another thread you’re calling for a big name? He’s the manager of the national side, how big a name is it you want?
Are you seriously calling gareth southgate a big name?
How about you tell us these big names of yours then?
Ten haag
Conte
Fauve
Mancini
Martinez
Koeman
Zidane
Jardim
Some probably wont be interested but if you pay them big and give them a big budget they will come.
Post by: villa for life on November 01, 2021, 06:21:12 AM
Post by: OzVilla on November 01, 2021, 06:24:48 AM
My preferred choice is Brendan Rodgers but his rejection of the Spurs job might mean it's a non starter.
Post by: villa for life on November 01, 2021, 06:32:12 AM
Post by: sid1964 on November 01, 2021, 06:50:28 AM
Post by: OzVilla on November 01, 2021, 06:53:04 AM
Brendan Rodgers is about as likely as Thomas Tuchel.
Maybe him turning down Spurs was inspired by the thought of working with Levy and no money. I know I'm straw clutching.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 01, 2021, 07:39:15 AM
Brendan Rodgers is about as likely as Thomas Tuchel.
Maybe him turning down Spurs was inspired by the thought of working with Levy and no money. I know I'm straw clutching.
Leicester’s start has been a bit average too. Timing wise it might just be better for Brendan so worth asking.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 01, 2021, 07:54:08 AM
A big “no” to Martinez and Koeman. Terrible options.
Both better than smith. Koeman is a huge name id take him. That barcelona club is in a complete mess he was destined to fail this year with all the restrictions there at the mo
Post by: ozzjim on November 01, 2021, 08:14:32 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 01, 2021, 08:15:58 AM
Koeman is a shockingly poor manager. You really wouldn't take him.
Not my 1st choice. That would be fonseca
Post by: ozzjim on November 01, 2021, 08:18:05 AM
I would imagine that Eddie Howe would be a name that would be mentioned if Smith were to go
Howe needs to rebuild his reputation, his side's undoubtedly play decent football but are way too open and soft. I wonder whether his time away has helped him realise that and an experienced defensively minded assistant will follow him to his next role. Not sure we can afford the gamble, I think he's either going to be spectacularly good or spectacularly bad when he goes back in.
Palace have done well with Vieira. Walked the ropes at other clubs, learnt his trade. Clearly a good manager.
Post by: ozzjim on November 01, 2021, 08:22:41 AM
Koeman is a shockingly poor manager. You really wouldn't take him.
Not my 1st choice. That would be fonseca
In dream world I think Conte would be my first, but it's never going to happen so like you I would like Fonseca.
Potter would be high on my list too. Always has an identity, even gets Lewis Dunk and Dan Burn to appear like footballers which is some feat.
Post by: Flin5tone on November 01, 2021, 08:24:09 AM
If Newcastle with all their spending power still haven't got anyone in then we will face the same problem. We may need to get a quick fix in to keep us in the League the way it's going.
Frank De Boer didn't work out at Palace either
Post by: Duncan Shaw on November 01, 2021, 08:32:58 AM
I really don't think we'd attract anyone considered "top" that hasn't had previous baggage so someone like Koeman would be the best we could get.
However, if they pull the trigger I think it would be Terry.
Post by: ROBBO on November 01, 2021, 08:35:28 AM
How much do prem managers get these days?
Post by: ozzjim on November 01, 2021, 08:36:41 AM
This is a VERY wishful thinking thread!!
I really don't think we'd attract anyone considered "top" that hasn't had previous baggage so someone like Koeman would be the best we could get.
However, if they pull the trigger I think it would be Terry.
I think they would target Gerard. Been rumours about us watching him etc even when Smith looked safe as houses.
I think they would end up with Terry though. And he'd do a very good job.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 01, 2021, 08:52:53 AM
Post by: LeeB on November 01, 2021, 08:55:35 AM
I'd go for Potter.
Post by: Drummond on November 01, 2021, 09:12:50 AM
Howe kept going down.
Koeman is a no.
Gerrard, please no, I detest him.
Lampard is too inexperienced and unproven.
Fonseca will go to Spurs.
Conte will wait for Man Utd or similar.
Frank?
The Ajax bloke won't come.
Terry, no thanks.
Shakespeare, no thanks.
Post by: AV82EC on November 01, 2021, 09:16:07 AM
We need a decent foreign manager/coach who can take the work that’s being done across the club at all levels and create something from it. The Ajax bloke sounds like he’d fit quite well and this lad at Mainz.
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2021, 09:16:10 AM
Post by: Drummond on November 01, 2021, 09:20:09 AM
Don't recognise the tune to that Drummond, but it scans well.
I'm taking up poetry.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 01, 2021, 09:24:53 AM
This is a VERY wishful thinking thread!!
I really don't think we'd attract anyone considered "top" that hasn't had previous baggage so someone like Koeman would be the best we could get.
However, if they pull the trigger I think it would be Terry.
I think they would target Gerard. Been rumours about us watching him etc even when Smith looked safe as houses.
I think they would end up with Terry though. And he'd do a very good job.
Based on what? All those other managerial roles he's had? It would be a completely ridiculous gamble just like Sherwood. In fact, more so, as Sherwood did quite a decent job in his brief spell as Tottenham manager.
Post by: Villan82 on November 01, 2021, 09:28:55 AM
If it came to it the only British based Manager I’d consider would be Potter. Everyone else is either too young, too old or too shit. I’m not sure Potter would be interested either at this stage.
We need a decent foreign manager/coach who can take the work that’s being done across the club at all levels and create something from it. The Ajax bloke sounds like he’d fit quite well and this lad at Mainz.
Now is the time to change. My worry would be that if we leave it another few games we will be in the market for a survival specialist. We don't want Remi Garde again- the right sort of manager but not one you would bring in when things are perilous.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 01, 2021, 09:31:27 AM
Post by: Rico on November 01, 2021, 09:32:45 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 01, 2021, 09:34:05 AM
Gerrard, Lampard or Terry would be mug appointments. They haven't done anything. The Villa job is not one where anyone can/should learn the ropes.
Exactly.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 01, 2021, 09:36:56 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 01, 2021, 09:37:00 AM
Potter is on the up.
Howe kept going down.
Koeman is a no.
Gerrard, please no, I detest him.
Lampard is too inexperienced and unproven.
Fonseca will go to Spurs.
Conte will wait for Man Utd or similar.
Frank?
The Ajax bloke won't come.
Terry, no thanks.
Shakespeare, no thanks.
Anyone you do want 😂
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 01, 2021, 09:38:01 AM
Don't recognise the tune to that Drummond, but it scans well.
He left out the 'Trevor Francis is a clown" and Karren Brady bits but still a good effort.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 01, 2021, 09:38:23 AM
Post by: Drummond on November 01, 2021, 09:39:31 AM
Potter is on the up.
Howe kept going down.
Koeman is a no.
Gerrard, please no, I detest him.
Lampard is too inexperienced and unproven.
Fonseca will go to Spurs.
Conte will wait for Man Utd or similar.
Frank?
The Ajax bloke won't come.
Terry, no thanks.
Shakespeare, no thanks.
Anyone you do want 😂
The ones I'd like won't come.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 01, 2021, 09:40:03 AM
Fonseca for me ticks all the boxes
✔ big name
✔plays exciting football
✔no compensation
✔has success at a elite level
✔can attract big names to the club
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 01, 2021, 09:43:07 AM
Post by: LeeB on November 01, 2021, 09:46:08 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 01, 2021, 09:53:47 AM
Lampard/Terry dream team, with Jody Morris as coach, and Vinny Jones and Denis Wise in as consultants.
Could we not find a role for Ken Bates?
Post by: Flin5tone on November 01, 2021, 09:55:06 AM
Post by: LeeB on November 01, 2021, 09:55:45 AM
Lampard/Terry dream team, with Jody Morris as coach, and Vinny Jones and Denis Wise in as consultants.
Could we not find a role for Ken Bates?
Head of Fan Security.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 01, 2021, 09:55:49 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 01, 2021, 09:59:25 AM
Post by: Richard E on November 01, 2021, 10:00:29 AM
Post by: LeeB on November 01, 2021, 10:01:18 AM
Post by: Monty on November 01, 2021, 10:01:40 AM
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2021, 10:02:36 AM
I dont blame nuno. Levy hung him out to dry
Threw him under the bus to save himself. Manager of the month earlier in the season. But when the likes of Kane aren't trying a leg for you then you have no chance.
Wouldn't be surprised if Levy got out the begging bowl to get Poch back. That's two disastrous appointments in a row.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 01, 2021, 10:05:25 AM
Spurs apparently want Conte. Fuck me I hope they don't pull that one off.
He won't go there without a budget.
Post by: Drummond on November 01, 2021, 10:07:01 AM
Spurs apparently want Conte. Fuck me I hope they don't pull that one off.
He won't go there without a budget.
Looks like it may happen though.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 01, 2021, 10:08:13 AM
Post by: TonyD on November 01, 2021, 10:10:41 AM
Post by: Gareth on November 01, 2021, 10:10:44 AM
However, for me the most important part of a CEO role is to spot that moment that a manager goes from trying to win at all costs to going into 100% job preservation mode, we have seen it with Bruce, Lambert, McLeish & in each case they were allowed to fester in that approach for months….if Purslow thinks Dean has hit that point the trigger should be pulled. Equally the board should always have a list of achievable targets to take over.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 01, 2021, 10:10:47 AM
Post by: stargazer on November 01, 2021, 10:17:11 AM
Think it’s fair to say by this thread that if Dean does get sacked there is no overwhelming favourite to come in :-)
However, for me the most important part of a CEO role is to spot that moment that a manager goes from trying to win at all costs to going into 100% job preservation mode, we have seen it with Bruce, Lambert, McLeish & in each case they were allowed to fester in that approach for months….if Purslow thinks Dean has hit that point the trigger should be pulled. Equally the board should always have a list of achievable targets to take over.
This
Post by: Demitri_C on November 01, 2021, 10:19:08 AM
Nuno sacked then . Who they after? Fonseca
Conte apparently
Be quite a coup for them to be honest.
Spurs acting quick unlike us who continue to back a manager that has a miserable record in the last 29 games
You think we can keep onto bailey if we finish 15th this year? He will be gone very quickly. Need to act now and get a proper elite manager in
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 01, 2021, 10:19:22 AM
Post by: villa for life on November 01, 2021, 10:20:27 AM
The Kane situation etc
They aren’t actually too far off the top six.
I wonder if he’s still quite a decent manager at heart
Post by: LeeB on November 01, 2021, 10:21:38 AM
Nuno sacked then . Who they after? Fonseca
Conte apparently
Be quite a coup for them to be honest.
Spurs acting quick unlike us who continue to back a manager that has a miserable record in the last 29 games
You think we can keep onto bailey if we finish 15th this year? He will be gone very quickly. Need to act now and get a proper elite manager in
Yeah, look at Spurs acting quickly after spending all summer looking like twats and getting turned down left, right and centre.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 01, 2021, 10:26:59 AM
Nuno sacked then . Who they after? Fonseca
Conte apparently
Be quite a coup for them to be honest.
yes just heard
or Potter if they have no budget
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2021, 10:33:58 AM
I think he could be decent fit for the players we have. Ultimately he finished 7th twice with newly promoted side and last season they had their best player out for three more months than what we did with G***lish so results always going to decline.
Also has good european experience with Valencia and Porto.
Perhaps he'll want a break now or manage in another league though.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 01, 2021, 10:34:51 AM
Nuno sacked then . Who they after? Fonseca
Conte apparently
Be quite a coup for them to be honest.
Spurs acting quick unlike us who continue to back a manager that has a miserable record in the last 29 games
You think we can keep onto bailey if we finish 15th this year? He will be gone very quickly. Need to act now and get a proper elite manager in
[/quoNuno sacked then . Who they after? Fonseca
Conte apparently
Be quite a coup for them to be honest.
Spurs acting quick unlike us who continue to back a manager that has a miserable record in the last 29 games
You think we can keep onto bailey if we finish 15th this year? He will be gone very quickly. Need to act now and get a proper elite manager in
I see DS has the same record as Nuno , 5 defeats in 7 games .. I would imagine he needs a win at Soton.
he used to frustrate me last season with the late subs always Trez for El Ghazi or El Ghazi for Trez , no change of formation or tactics but I had faith he could sort it but he has made some crazy decisions this season and it does not look a happy camp . I mean Bailey taking throw ins and the Ashley Young sub left me well perplexed and what's with all these injured players in training etc.
I do think we miss that midfield general with some muscle , the bissoma type or whatever as the midfield is useless.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 01, 2021, 10:36:14 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 01, 2021, 10:36:15 AM
Lampard/Terry dream team, with Jody Morris as coach, and Vinny Jones and Denis Wise in as consultants.
Could we not find a role for Ken Bates?
Could have him stuffed and put on a plinth next to the McGregor statue. Something like that would be easy to make seem tacky, but if we did it right, I think it would be a lovely, touching tribute. We would probably have to wait for him to die first. Or not, whichever was easier.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 01, 2021, 10:36:27 AM
Getting Roma to 5th doesn’t strike me as success and winning the Ukrainian league must be like managing in Scotland.
Post by: Monty on November 01, 2021, 10:37:36 AM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 01, 2021, 10:38:22 AM
Favre, Gaultier and Potter
My fear of what it would be
Lampard, Gerrard, Howe
Post by: Villan82 on November 01, 2021, 10:39:01 AM
For me
Favre, Gaultier and Potter
My fear of what it would be
Lampard, Gerrard, Howe
Nuno?
Post by: sickbeggar on November 01, 2021, 10:39:25 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 01, 2021, 10:40:13 AM
I don’t get the Fonseca attraction. My knowledge is limited to wiki but it is an average CV at best.
Getting Roma to 5th doesn’t strike me as success and winning the Ukrainian league must be like managing in Scotland.
Yeah, I'm not quite sure what the fuss is. He seems to have had a decent career. But certainly not enough to warrant the fawning he gets.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 01, 2021, 10:41:42 AM
Post by: caster troy on November 01, 2021, 10:41:59 AM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 01, 2021, 10:42:44 AM
Post by: Flin5tone on November 01, 2021, 10:43:32 AM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 01, 2021, 10:44:17 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 01, 2021, 10:46:32 AM
JT WONT be coming in
Ta mate. Now rule out Gerrard and Lampard, please, and I can relax a bit.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 01, 2021, 10:48:22 AM
I'd go all put to bring Nuno to the Club Immediately. Done a fantastic job for Wolves and has European experience . The Tottenham job was always going to end like that with Kane sulking. Fantastic opportunity for us
Would rather him than the Twatty Trio of Gerrard, Lampard or Terry, but isn't he a bit dull? Also, does anyone know if he plays five at the back? If so, I'm out.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 01, 2021, 10:48:25 AM
JT WONT be coming in
Ta mate. Now rule out Gerrard and Lampard, please, and I can relax a bit.
UNFORTUNATELY its those two that give me the fear
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 01, 2021, 10:50:07 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 01, 2021, 10:51:59 AM
Post by: Ads on November 01, 2021, 10:53:47 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 01, 2021, 10:54:34 AM
Think Gerrard will hold out for the Everton gig
I can't see it.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 01, 2021, 10:54:54 AM
Post by: Flin5tone on November 01, 2021, 10:55:48 AM
I'd go all put to bring Nuno to the Club Immediately. Done a fantastic job for Wolves and has European experience . The Tottenham job was always going to end like that with Kane sulking. Fantastic opportunity for us
Would rather him than the Twatty Trio of Gerrard, Lampard or Terry, but isn't he a bit dull? Also, does anyone know if he plays five at the back? If so, I'm out.
He might be a bit dull but with the other names going around I think that's the best we are going to get.
I'd love it to have worked out for Dean but with losing ROK and Terry plus our best player it has exposed him
Post by: sickbeggar on November 01, 2021, 10:57:46 AM
If we sack Smith and get it wrong, we'll be in danger of being relegated.
yep
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 01, 2021, 10:59:07 AM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 01, 2021, 10:59:13 AM
I don’t get the Fonseca attraction. My knowledge is limited to wiki but it is an average CV at best.
Getting Roma to 5th doesn’t strike me as success and winning the Ukrainian league must be like managing in Scotland.
Yeah, I don't see the appeal either. Clearly under-performed at Roma. Someone said he'd attract big names which I disagree with too.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 01, 2021, 10:59:55 AM
I'm looking forward to the meltdown on here when there's a realisation that the new manager isn't Conte or the guy from Ajax.
You're hoping we don't get a good manager so you can enjoy the misery of your fellow fans? Bit weird.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 01, 2021, 11:00:23 AM
Nuno? A man handed his arse tactically by Ole Gunnar Solskjaer? Nah
More like the spurs players couldnt give a toss
Smith tactically outwitted ole doesnt mean smiths any good
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 01, 2021, 11:00:56 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 01, 2021, 11:02:37 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on November 01, 2021, 11:03:55 AM
Despite it not working out at Spurs, would be very odd if we had managerial vacancy in next two weeks and didn't interview Nuno.
I think he could be decent fit for the players we have. Ultimately he finished 7th twice with newly promoted side and last season they had their best player out for three more months than what we did with G***lish so results always going to decline.
Also has good european experience with Valencia and Porto.
Perhaps he'll want a break now or manage in another league though.
Just think the big question with Nuno was that since everything was seemingly set up perfectly for him at Wolves with the Portuguese contingent, would he struggle when he came out of that environment.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 01, 2021, 11:04:09 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 01, 2021, 11:04:19 AM
Nuno? A man handed his arse tactically by Ole Gunnar Solskjaer? Nah
More like the spurs players couldnt give a toss
Smith tactically outwitted ole doesnt mean smiths any good
Well if they couldn't give a toss that says something about the manager I would say. Also, his football is dire..
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 01, 2021, 11:06:02 AM
I'm looking forward to the meltdown on here when there's a realisation that the new manager isn't Conte or the guy from Ajax.
You're hoping we don't get a good manager so you can enjoy the misery of your fellow fans? Bit weird.
Not at all.
Just think some will be outraged that we couldn't land a manager of that calibre.
Which I don't think we will.
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2021, 11:06:17 AM
I am flabbergasted Spurs appears to have hooked Conte. What has Levy promised him as a transfer budget, I wonder. It'll have to be a lot so very bad for us with presumably both Spurs and Newcastle outspending us next couple of seasons.
Conte turned them down in the summer because they wouldn't give him the budget/control he wanted. Seems to have been a very expensive mistake by Levy. It's a funny one, either OGS or Nuno was likely to lose their job at weekend, if Spurs end up with a far superior coach then maybe was worth it.
The likes of Kane, Ndombele and Alli are in for a fair old shock if they do get Conte.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 01, 2021, 11:10:18 AM
I'm looking forward to the meltdown on here when there's a realisation that the new manager isn't Conte or the guy from Ajax.
You're hoping we don't get a good manager so you can enjoy the misery of your fellow fans? Bit weird.
Not at all.
Just think some will be outraged that we couldn't land a manager of that calibre.
Which I don't think we will.
We should, at least, try to get the best manager available. If they say "no", so what?
Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, Garde, Di Matteo and Bruce were all realistic appointments.
I'd rather we appoint someone unrealistic.
I want the rest of football, just for once, to be saying "how the fuck have they appointed him", rather than "why the fuck have they appointed him"?
Post by: sickbeggar on November 01, 2021, 11:10:38 AM
Oh, and welcome back SB. 👋
Ta cdbullyweefan. 0 points in 3 games since my absence so I thought i'd better break any hex put on the side unintentionally 8)
Post by: RichardBatchelor on November 01, 2021, 11:12:16 AM
I am flabbergasted Spurs appears to have hooked Conte. What has Levy promised him as a transfer budget, I wonder. It'll have to be a lot so very bad for us with presumably both Spurs and Newcastle outspending us next couple of seasons.
Conte turned them down in the summer because they wouldn't give him the budget/control he wanted. Seems to have been a very expensive mistake by Levy. It's a funny one, either OGS or Nuno was likely to lose their job at weekend, if Spurs end up with a far superior coach then maybe was worth it.
The likes of Kane, Ndombele and Alli are in for a fair old shock if they do get Conte.
I’ve put my finger on why this thread annoyed me and I overreacted. It popped up so soon after the match, when the views could have been posted on the ‘Smith Out’ thread. All a bit disrespectful to a man who’s done so much for our club to start discussing replacements.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 01, 2021, 11:16:57 AM
lets go leftfield for someone like Xabi Alonso
Is he at Real Socidad? They’re doing great, and have been for a while, so whoever is their manager could be an option.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 01, 2021, 11:20:06 AM
I'm looking forward to the meltdown on here when there's a realisation that the new manager isn't Conte or the guy from Ajax.
You're hoping we don't get a good manager so you can enjoy the misery of your fellow fans? Bit weird.
Not at all.
Just think some will be outraged that we couldn't land a manager of that calibre.
Which I don't think we will.
We should, at least, try to get the best manager available. If they say "no", so what?
Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, Garde, Di Matteo and Bruce were all realistic appointments.
I'd rather we appoint someone unrealistic.
I want the rest of football, just for once, to be saying "how the fuck have they appointed him", rather than "why the fuck have they appointed him"?
Agree.
It would be amazing for us to do that and I sincerely hope its the case.
But I can't get it out of my head that we'll end up with Frank Lampard and Jody Morris.
Post by: Monty on November 01, 2021, 11:30:43 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 01, 2021, 11:35:23 AM
My only problem with Potter is I can't hear his name in any voice other than Alan Rickman's.
ha ha its a no then
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 01, 2021, 11:39:04 AM
Post by: villa for life on November 01, 2021, 11:40:13 AM
He’s also experienced enough to steer us away from the relegation zone where we will soon find ourselves.
I’m sure he’d be tempted as he must be frustrated at not being able to hang onto his best players and build a stronger team.
His dress sense is a tad questionable, though.
Could be a good compromise candidate between the “I don’t want Terry/Lampard/Gerrard” brigade and the “”let’s get Conte/ Hag/Zidane” crew.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 01, 2021, 11:45:12 AM
I think it's time we stopped looking at 'local' people. Manchester United didn't get where they are today by avoiding Norwegians. What about that fella who managed Wimbledon in wellies back in the day?
The Rise and Fall of Egil Olsen
Post by: sickbeggar on November 01, 2021, 11:47:08 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 01, 2021, 11:48:56 AM
I think it's time we stopped looking at 'local' people. Manchester United didn't get where they are today by avoiding Norwegians. What about that fella who managed Wimbledon in wellies back in the day?
The Rise and Fall of Egil Olsen
That's him. There aren't enough wellies in top-flight football (apart from watching our defenders), and there hasn't been for a while.
Post by: Allan C on November 01, 2021, 11:48:59 AM
I’ve got an original claret and blue bar scarf and a Charlie Aitken shirt which makes me the best fan everI'm clearly the best fan on here and I want him gone. So that settles that.
oh yeh show us your programmes and badges Love :D
Merch is for day trippers.
careful sir or I will whip you with my half and half scarf
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 01, 2021, 11:53:48 AM
He's similarly to Dean Smith in values I rather keep Smith but wouldn't be surprised or discouraged to have Chris Wilder in. Though would be very sad if that was the change as Dean for me is far more suited to Villa
Wilder would get the best out of Danny Ings and Watkins as a partnership
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 01, 2021, 11:56:04 AM
I'm loathe to post on this thread but if we're to go 3 at the back and if not Southagte then Chris Wilder knows exactly how to bring that system forward.
He's similarly to Dean Smith in values I rather keep Smith but wouldn't be surprised or discouraged to have Chris Wilder in.
He would get the best out of Danny Ings and Watkins as a partnership
That's not as bad a shout is feels on first reading. I'd have swapped in a heartbeat just before lockdown.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 01, 2021, 12:01:05 PM
I not sure if he be completely comfortable with director of football for all his fresh approach to football he can be a bit old school
Post by: chrisw1 on November 01, 2021, 12:01:46 PM
I'm loathe to post on this thread but if we're to go 3 at the back and if not Southagte then Chris Wilder knows exactly how to bring that system forward.1. We don't want 3 at the back.
He's similarly to Dean Smith in values I rather keep Smith but wouldn't be surprised or discouraged to have Chris Wilder in. Though would be very sad if that was the change as Dean for me is far more suited to Villa
Wilder would get the best out of Danny Ings and Watkins as a partnership
2 We don't want Wilder (much as I admired the job he did at Sheffield the thought of overlapping centre backs does not fill me with joy)
3. We don't want Southgate. There must be 100 managers I'd rather have than that clown.
Please try harder Footy.
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2021, 12:02:24 PM
I'm loathe to post on this thread but if we're to go 3 at the back and if not Southagte then Chris Wilder knows exactly how to bring that system forward.
He's similarly to Dean Smith in values I rather keep Smith but wouldn't be surprised or discouraged to have Chris Wilder in. Though would be very sad if that was the change as Dean for me is far more suited to Villa
Wilder would get the best out of Danny Ings and Watkins as a partnership
Check out the top scoring stats for forwards under Chris Wilder...and he bought a lot of them!
No manager will get the best out of a Watkins/Ings partnership, it will never work. Watkins played his best gane of the season yesterday, I wonder why
..
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 01, 2021, 12:06:35 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 01, 2021, 12:07:36 PM
Imagine If we had bought Brewsters Millions for 20 million
I think Villa were linked with him . And good cause too.
However we have plenty of own young quality in that department
Post by: Mister E on November 01, 2021, 12:08:01 PM
That lad at Mainz might be an idea. If not, Guardiola or Klopp.Bo Svensson.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 01, 2021, 12:09:03 PM
That lad at Mainz might be an idea. If not, Guardiola or Klopp.Bo Svensson.
Good shout and would fit the profile
Post by: LeeB on November 01, 2021, 12:14:23 PM
I’ve got an original claret and blue bar scarf and a Charlie Aitken shirt which makes me the best fan everI'm clearly the best fan on here and I want him gone. So that settles that.
oh yeh show us your programmes and badges Love :D
Merch is for day trippers.
careful sir or I will whip you with my half and half scarf
Post by: Mister E on November 01, 2021, 12:15:01 PM
Despite it not working out at Spurs, would be very odd if we had managerial vacancy in next two weeks and didn't interview Nuno.Nuno was interviewed by both Everton and Palace and both rejected him because he didn't 'get' their project and made crazy demands on issues around coaching personnel. Apparently.
I think he could be decent fit for the players we have. Ultimately he finished 7th twice with newly promoted side and last season they had their best player out for three more months than what we did with G***lish so results always going to decline.
Also has good european experience with Valencia and Porto.
Perhaps he'll want a break now or manage in another league though.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 01, 2021, 12:20:30 PM
Gaultier if we can convince him to leave pretty Nice for Aston would be a superb move (weve wanted him before as mananger)
Potter - Local roots (was a Villa fan then joined blues and 'liked' them after)
Fonseca - Attacking football and would be entertaining
Bo Svenson (as others have mentioned) highly rated and fits the profile.
The idea that no one would get a better tune from this squad than DS is misplaced (id argue Nuno would actually be a decent fit but recent performances a concern)
Post by: tomd2103 on November 01, 2021, 12:24:21 PM
The Southampton manager has done well for a while and who knows what he could achieve with a bigger budget.
He’s also experienced enough to steer us away from the relegation zone where we will soon find ourselves.
I’m sure he’d be tempted as he must be frustrated at not being able to hang onto his best players and build a stronger team.
His dress sense is a tad questionable, though.
Could be a good compromise candidate between the “I don’t want Terry/Lampard/Gerrard” brigade and the “”let’s get Conte/ Hag/Zidane” crew.
Think that would be a sensible appointment if Dean does go. Has experience of the league (not always required) and has been through some tougher times as well as good runs of form, so will has a somewhat proven record of managing a side where we currently find ourselves.
Has got a habit of conceding 9 goals in a game once a season though!!
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2021, 12:26:10 PM
Grealish has been a colossal loss......
Post by: LeeB on November 01, 2021, 12:29:11 PM
Nuno...fired by both Wolves and Spurs in the last 6 months and a realistic option to replace Smith??
Grealish has been a colossal loss......
It's a no from me.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 01, 2021, 12:31:16 PM
Pretty sure Nono will be taking his dosh and an extended break on the Algarve.Nuno...fired by both Wolves and Spurs in the last 6 months and a realistic option to replace Smith??
Grealish has been a colossal loss......
It's a no from me.
Madness to hire him.
Post by: Richard E on November 01, 2021, 12:55:43 PM
Pretty sure Nono will be taking his dosh and an extended break on the Algarve.Nuno...fired by both Wolves and Spurs in the last 6 months and a realistic option to replace Smith??
Grealish has been a colossal loss......
It's a no from me.
Madness to hire him.
I doubt that. I think Madness will stick with Suggs.
Post by: Des Little on November 01, 2021, 12:57:46 PM
Post by: ozzjim on November 01, 2021, 12:58:21 PM
Anyone take Hassenhutl? Done a good job at a club selling his players from under him at Southampton.
Post by: nick harper on November 01, 2021, 01:08:23 PM
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2021, 01:11:37 PM
The Southampton manager has done well for a while and who knows what he could achieve with a bigger budget.
He’s also experienced enough to steer us away from the relegation zone where we will soon find ourselves.
I’m sure he’d be tempted as he must be frustrated at not being able to hang onto his best players and build a stronger team.
His dress sense is a tad questionable, though.
Could be a good compromise candidate between the “I don’t want Terry/Lampard/Gerrard” brigade and the “”let’s get Conte/ Hag/Zidane” crew.
Think that would be a sensible appointment if Dean does go. Has experience of the league (not always required) and has been through some tougher times as well as good runs of form, so will has a somewhat proven record of managing a side where we currently find ourselves.
Has got a habit of conceding 9 goals in a game once a season though!!
Southampton fans seem to have the same in game concerns about RH that we have about Smith.
Not the worst appointment though, lots of experience in a difficult enough time for Southampton with them hardly spending money but still solid enough mid table for the past few seasons. Also seems to be happy bringing through young players which would go down well at Villa Park.
Post by: villa for life on November 01, 2021, 01:14:37 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 01, 2021, 01:23:13 PM
Smith should have been sacked last night simple as that and the search should have started. His points return is poor and he can have no complaints in my view. I hold no ill feelings towards him and wish him well. But a new approach is needed asap
Post by: ozzjim on November 01, 2021, 01:31:42 PM
Post by: Clampy on November 01, 2021, 01:41:33 PM
At least spurs pulling the trigger early. Unlike us who will do it too late then new guy would be under huge pressure from the start.
Smith should have been sacked last night simple as that and the search should have started. His points return is poor and he can have no complaints in my view. I hold no ill feelings towards him and wish him well. But a new approach is needed asap
Sacking a manager then starting a search is the worst thing you can do. What a mess that would be.
Post by: Monty on November 01, 2021, 01:43:38 PM
Post by: TonyD on November 01, 2021, 01:46:54 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 01, 2021, 01:48:40 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 01, 2021, 01:49:31 PM
Demitri has been summing up my feelings as well, though I must say peaks at this thread make me more cautious. Lampard? Gerrard? Are we ever going to be at the vanguard of this god damn sport? We have every advantage an up and coming club could hope for, and we keep settling for old-fashioned, for British mediocrity, for back-to-basics. We're screaming, screaming for a revolutionary presence like a Pochettino or a Klopp, and we keep settling for this BBC 1 rubbish.
Precisesly.
But we should also remember that we've "gone foreign" before and it hasn't worked. Therefore it never will.
Post by: KevinGage on November 01, 2021, 01:49:41 PM
If we sack Smith and get it wrong, we'll be in danger of being relegated.
That's the concern, aye.
Potting Smith because he doesn't seem capable of giving us the consistency to push for Europe is a fair argument. Every season with us (and with Brentford before) there are these sort of runs.
But equally - based purely on what he he's done so far with us - I'd back him to keep us up as a minimum.
The caveat to that being I don't know if he's lost some/ most of the dressing room (or any similar dial-a-cliché).
If he has, it's different to the previous occasions where his job was supposedly under threat.
Post by: Monty on November 01, 2021, 01:55:49 PM
Demitri has been summing up my feelings as well, though I must say peaks at this thread make me more cautious. Lampard? Gerrard? Are we ever going to be at the vanguard of this god damn sport? We have every advantage an up and coming club could hope for, and we keep settling for old-fashioned, for British mediocrity, for back-to-basics. We're screaming, screaming for a revolutionary presence like a Pochettino or a Klopp, and we keep settling for this BBC 1 rubbish.
Precisesly.
But we should also remember that we've "gone foreign" before and it hasn't worked. Therefore it never will.
Shit! You're right. Bollocks to that then.
Post by: Des Little on November 01, 2021, 02:00:07 PM
Post by: Smithy on November 01, 2021, 02:13:29 PM
Dean's job is 'head coach' and not 'manager' for a reason. Would any of the top managerial candidates in Europe be interested in working in this sort of environment, or would they want to rip it all up and start again, insisting it's all done "my way" like the manager role has traditionally done?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 01, 2021, 02:57:09 PM
I don't know enough about how other top clubs in Europe run their organisations, but we clearly have a philosophy now in terms of investing in youth, analytics-based recruitment, buying young players with values that will rise (for the most part), and an entire infrastructure geared towards that process.
Dean's job is 'head coach' and not 'manager' for a reason. Would any of the top managerial candidates in Europe be interested in working in this sort of environment, or would they want to rip it all up and start again, insisting it's all done "my way" like the manager role has traditionally done?
Fair point but I think ‘head coach’ is a pretty European structure anyway so it should be manageable with most candidates.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 01, 2021, 03:08:29 PM
I don't know enough about how other top clubs in Europe run their organisations, but we clearly have a philosophy now in terms of investing in youth, analytics-based recruitment, buying young players with values that will rise (for the most part), and an entire infrastructure geared towards that process.
Dean's job is 'head coach' and not 'manager' for a reason. Would any of the top managerial candidates in Europe be interested in working in this sort of environment, or would they want to rip it all up and start again, insisting it's all done "my way" like the manager role has traditionally done?
Fair point but I think ‘head coach’ is a pretty European structure anyway so it should be manageable with most candidates.
I'd go further and say it's what most would expect. The big advantage we offer is we consult with the Head Coach on purchases and he will have the first and final call.
Post by: paul_e on November 01, 2021, 03:13:14 PM
I don't know enough about how other top clubs in Europe run their organisations, but we clearly have a philosophy now in terms of investing in youth, analytics-based recruitment, buying young players with values that will rise (for the most part), and an entire infrastructure geared towards that process.
Dean's job is 'head coach' and not 'manager' for a reason. Would any of the top managerial candidates in Europe be interested in working in this sort of environment, or would they want to rip it all up and start again, insisting it's all done "my way" like the manager role has traditionally done?
Fair point but I think ‘head coach’ is a pretty European structure anyway so it should be manageable with most candidates.
I'd go further and say it's what most would expect. The big advantage we offer is we consult with the Head Coach on purchases and he will have the first and final call.
I agree, I think this structure pushes us more towards a foreign manager than a traditional English one.
Post by: wince on November 01, 2021, 05:38:07 PM
Post by: Tayls_7 on November 01, 2021, 05:41:57 PM
Can’t believe nobody has said African car reverser for manager yet? WTF people. Shame on you...
Looking back on things, you're probably right.
Post by: steamer on November 01, 2021, 06:04:43 PM
Post by: TelfordVilla on November 01, 2021, 06:05:58 PM
Post by: LukeJames on November 01, 2021, 06:06:51 PM
I'd go all put to bring Nuno to the Club Immediately.
You used to be my favourite poster.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 01, 2021, 06:08:16 PM
Things have been going wrong for a year now but now is not the time to ditch the manager. A lot of Villa's woes are not his fault. If we want a team of International players we have to expect them to go and play for their country and miss the odd game or two. Not the managers fault. Injuries can happen at any time. Not the managers fault. Loss of form, Covid, personal issues etc not the managers fault. Of course he is not blameless. 5 at the back was a disastrous plan. However there remains no clear improvement available so stick with him. Rally round, work harder, train better and hope for a change of luck next time out.
Pretty much what I heard about Lambert and Bruce.
Post by: TelfordVilla on November 01, 2021, 06:20:33 PM
Smith has had more success than both Lambert and BruceThings have been going wrong for a year now but now is not the time to ditch the manager. A lot of Villa's woes are not his fault. If we want a team of International players we have to expect them to go and play for their country and miss the odd game or two. Not the managers fault. Injuries can happen at any time. Not the managers fault. Loss of form, Covid, personal issues etc not the managers fault. Of course he is not blameless. 5 at the back was a disastrous plan. However there remains no clear improvement available so stick with him. Rally round, work harder, train better and hope for a change of luck next time out.
Pretty much what I heard about Lambert and Bruce.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 01, 2021, 06:35:55 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 01, 2021, 06:57:38 PM
Let’s not pollute this thread by debating whether he should or shouldn’t be replaced there’s plenty of threads for that.
Post by: curiousorange on November 01, 2021, 07:02:10 PM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 01, 2021, 07:10:48 PM
Let’s not pollute this thread by debating whether he should or shouldn’t be replaced there’s plenty of threads for that.
Sorry
Post by: TonyD on November 01, 2021, 07:30:51 PM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 01, 2021, 07:51:05 PM
The owners should try to secure the best manager out there. Money should be put on the table. Aim high. Take Conte from under Spurs noses. Pay the money.
Imagine if that happened!!!!!
Post by: luke95 on November 01, 2021, 08:04:19 PM
Lets stay clear of NunoNailed on for Newcastle along with his super agent to exploit them & their many £billions.
Post by: FatSam on November 01, 2021, 08:06:45 PM
A big “no” to Martinez and Koeman. Terrible options.
Both better than smith. Koeman is a huge name id take him. That barcelona club is in a complete mess he was destined to fail this year with all the restrictions there at the mo
Being a ‘huge name’ doesn’t mean that someone is a good football manager. He had a successful playing career, but outside of the Netherlands hasn’t kept a managerial job for more than two years. He surely can’t be considered enough of an upgrade on Smith to be worth the the risk.
Post by: Steve67 on November 01, 2021, 08:10:51 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 01, 2021, 08:12:10 PM
It's a wonderful thought.The owners should try to secure the best manager out there. Money should be put on the table. Aim high. Take Conte from under Spurs noses. Pay the money.
Imagine if that happened!!!!!
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2021, 08:12:24 PM
David Moyes
Imagine saying his name on here in 2016 or 2017 and the reaction on here, would've probably been worse than what Bruce got.
Just shows sometimes managers can fit certain clubs and it's purely about timing sometimes.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 01, 2021, 08:19:40 PM
David Moyes
Exactly.
I dropped him in as a bit of fun but thigs have worked out so well for the guy.
Right place right time and all that but there's no escaping the fact that the players have responded positively to his leadership.
Imagine saying his name on here in 2016 or 2017 and the reaction on here, would've probably been worse than what Bruce got.
Just shows sometimes managers can fit certain clubs and it's purely about timing sometimes.
Post by: Ian. on November 01, 2021, 08:20:34 PM
Roberto Martinez is an interesting suggestion though. Poor at Everton after they were Moyesed into terrible football and he tried to un-Moyes them to get them to play more attractive football. A bit like putting lipstick on a pig. I wonder what he would do with the likes of Bailey, Watkins, Traore in terms of creativity.
There was a time I’d love to have him as our manager. To be perfectly honest I have no idea where he manages at the moment or is even still managing.
As regards Moyes, I would have worried he would have been proper dull appointments but he’s actually got West Ham playing entertaining football. He’s managed to retain that very solid defensive approach but has some very good attacking talent in his team and they are a good team to watch.
Post by: ozzjim on November 01, 2021, 08:21:33 PM
Post by: Gareth on November 01, 2021, 08:32:41 PM
Post by: Richard E on November 01, 2021, 08:34:01 PM
The owners should try to secure the best manager out there. Money should be put on the table. Aim high. Take Conte from under Spurs noses. Pay the money.
Imagine if that happened!!!!!
You’ll certainly need to imagine it, because you won’t be seeing it.
Post by: gpbarr on November 01, 2021, 08:40:19 PM
if we are going to make a change, let it be a big name, big game, senior European forward thinking coach. and give him the budget - the longer we stall, the harder it will ever to be to break that ceiling. Spurs showing how to do it with Conte.
if we are just going to shop for the bust and flush rank and file, lets stick with what we got. i'd take Smith over Moyes every single day of the week thanks.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 01, 2021, 09:36:43 PM
Post by: Steve67 on November 01, 2021, 09:38:37 PM
Roberto Martinez is an interesting suggestion though. Poor at Everton after they were Moyesed into terrible football and he tried to un-Moyes them to get them to play more attractive football. A bit like putting lipstick on a pig. I wonder what he would do with the likes of Bailey, Watkins, Traore in terms of creativity.
There was a time I’d love to have him as our manager. To be perfectly honest I have no idea where he manages at the moment or is even still managing.
As regards Moyes, I would have worried he would have been proper dull appointments but he’s actually got West Ham playing entertaining football. He’s managed to retain that very solid defensive approach but has some very good attacking talent in his team and they are a good team to watch.
Martinez is Head Coach of Belgium Ian.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 01, 2021, 09:42:57 PM
I think literally the only name I’ve read that makes me think might be worth changing is Christophe Galtier - read a piece about him in the summer that made him seem a decent option - though I would be a little concerned that one of the bigger French clubs never seems to have taken plunge with him.
Nice are now funded by INEOS so backed by significant sums for that league (ignoring PSG).
I too think he looks an exceptional candidate.
Post by: KevinGage on November 01, 2021, 10:08:21 PM
Fonseca, Lucien Favre, and Gattuso would all be interesting options for different reasons.
Big shout out too for Villa fan and former Italy boss Cesare Prandelli, who might finally be able to get the job he craves.
Jesse Marsch at RB Leipzig is someone I felt for a while who might up in English football. But he only rejoined them this summer, so a move this soon would be unlikely.
The issue with any of the above is that they'll be coming in from a foreign league and will be firefighting from day one. It could work - Watford have a mixed record, in this regard. But the danger is a Remi Garde scenario. All would benefit from going in in the summer instead, where it's easier to get their ideas across and get shot of anyone they see as trouble.
Brendan Rodgers has flitted his eyelashes when the Villa job has come up before, and might just fancy managing the biggest club in the region if the conditions are right.
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2021, 10:11:06 PM
Roberto Martinez is an interesting suggestion though. Poor at Everton after they were Moyesed into terrible football and he tried to un-Moyes them to get them to play more attractive football. A bit like putting lipstick on a pig. I wonder what he would do with the likes of Bailey, Watkins, Traore in terms of creativity.
Martinez, Thierry Henry and former Villa...legend Shaun Moloney...dream team
Post by: Ian. on November 01, 2021, 10:21:50 PM
Roberto Martinez is an interesting suggestion though. Poor at Everton after they were Moyesed into terrible football and he tried to un-Moyes them to get them to play more attractive football. A bit like putting lipstick on a pig. I wonder what he would do with the likes of Bailey, Watkins, Traore in terms of creativity.
There was a time I’d love to have him as our manager. To be perfectly honest I have no idea where he manages at the moment or is even still managing.
As regards Moyes, I would have worried he would have been proper dull appointments but he’s actually got West Ham playing entertaining football. He’s managed to retain that very solid defensive approach but has some very good attacking talent in his team and they are a good team to watch.
Martinez is Head Coach of Belgium Ian.
Of course he is. International football really does pass me by sometimes.
Post by: ozzjim on November 01, 2021, 10:57:22 PM
Post by: olaftab on November 01, 2021, 11:52:24 PM
Post by: olaftab on November 01, 2021, 11:59:45 PM
Spurs showing how to do it with Conte.Is that the team that’s had 3 managers in the last 12 months and declined with every appointment?
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2021, 12:40:41 AM
Daily Mail linking Fonseca.
Not amazed with his CV but he doesn't seem to like five at the back and he isn't Frank Terrard. Get him in.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 02, 2021, 06:07:03 AM
Get him in!!
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 02, 2021, 06:17:51 AM
Fonseca would be a superb appointment. That would be a massive coup.
Get him in!!
What makes you think he’ll be a success Demitri? His record looks pretty average to me.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 02, 2021, 06:29:54 AM
does not hang around for long eitherFonseca would be a superb appointment. That would be a massive coup.
Get him in!!
What makes you think he’ll be a success Demitri? His record looks pretty average to me.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 02, 2021, 06:37:44 AM
But look at the difference in how decisively they have acted, Conte is right up there has won titles in a Italy and England. Smith managed Brentford.Spurs showing how to do it with Conte.Is that the team that’s had 3 managers in the last 12 months and declined with every appointment?
Spurs are acting like a big club.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 02, 2021, 07:02:13 AM
Post by: BC Villain on November 02, 2021, 07:03:29 AM
Daily Mail linking Fonseca.
According to Craig Hope - who is their Newcastle reporter. Smacks of the agent hawking his name around knowing they need a manager.
File under bollocks if you ask me
Post by: Ian. on November 02, 2021, 07:16:14 AM
But look at the difference in how decisively they have acted, Conte is right up there has won titles in a Italy and England. Smith managed Brentford.Spurs showing how to do it with Conte.Is that the team that’s had 3 managers in the last 12 months and declined with every appointment?
Spurs are acting like a big club.
Nuno won shit loads of trophies at Wolves and Pochettino was manager of the all conquering Southampton.
Post by: ozzjim on November 02, 2021, 07:53:26 AM
I like Conte but there's no doubt he has the habit of imploding after a few seasons when he doesn't get his way which I think is one of the reasons Man U haven't gone in for him when he's been batting his eyelashes at them. There's a clip doing the rounds of him literally manhandling one of his coaching staff and pushing him down the pitch during a match and while it appeals to the "moar passion" lot, it can't be good for team morale. Levy and Conte? Can't see that lasting.
On the flip side, if he wins a couple of pots in the short term and keeps building Spurs profile, attracts some top players, it's worth it.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 02, 2021, 08:08:20 AM
I like Conte but there's no doubt he has the habit of imploding after a few seasons when he doesn't get his way which I think is one of the reasons Man U haven't gone in for him when he's been batting his eyelashes at them. There's a clip doing the rounds of him literally manhandling one of his coaching staff and pushing him down the pitch during a match and while it appeals to the "moar passion" lot, it can't be good for team morale. Levy and Conte? Can't see that lasting.
On the flip side, if he wins a couple of pots in the short term and keeps building Spurs profile, attracts some top players, it's worth it.
Well yeah. Enjoy the ride for 18 months I guess. There's no doubt Spurs will be a better side with him and improve the current squad, but one of the reasons Conte got the push from Chelsea is he bought a load of players that didn't work out. I'm not sure what Levy has promised him funds wise but I can't imagine him taking Conte buying a load of duds.
Post by: ozzjim on November 02, 2021, 08:11:38 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 02, 2021, 08:13:12 AM
Fonseca would be a superb appointment. That would be a massive coup.
Get him in!!
What makes you think he’ll be a success Demitri? His record looks pretty average to me.
Look at his style of football at his previous clubs, he is very attacking and doesnt play 3 at the back. Has a tendency to play players in their allocated positions. Not like smith who plays ashley young in cm. A desperate football manager tactic.
For me he is a elite european manager somewhere we need to be heading. Deans a nice guy but cant take us any further unfortunately
Post by: Mister E on November 02, 2021, 08:15:00 AM
Not really convinced by Martinez.
Fonseca seems to me to be a 'meh' appointment.
Bo Svensson? - young, brash and successful in a league perhaps similar to ours.
Don't know anything about Jesse Marsch at RB Leipzig, but he has an interesting CV.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 02, 2021, 08:17:04 AM
Post by: aev on November 02, 2021, 08:28:08 AM
If nothing else, this might jinx them for Friday.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 02, 2021, 08:49:47 AM
I like Conte but there's no doubt he has the habit of imploding after a few seasons when he doesn't get his way which I think is one of the reasons Man U haven't gone in for him when he's been batting his eyelashes at them. There's a clip doing the rounds of him literally manhandling one of his coaching staff and pushing him down the pitch during a match and while it appeals to the "moar passion" lot, it can't be good for team morale. Levy and Conte? Can't see that lasting.
On the flip side, if he wins a couple of pots in the short term and keeps building Spurs profile, attracts some top players, it's worth it.
Correct, if he wins a cup get Spurs into Europe and improves the squad, then has a meltdown and leaves, Spurs are in a better position to attract another top manager.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2021, 08:51:37 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 02, 2021, 08:56:13 AM
Post by: Risso on November 02, 2021, 09:52:49 AM
Hasenhutll would be very meh, IMO, a lot of Southampton fans want him gone and he loses 9-0 every year. Svenssson seems to be getting suggested on the basis of four good months at top flight level. He could be good or he could just be having a good run before he gets found out like Chris Wilder. Would be a massive gamble.
Dean Smith had never finished higher than 9th in the Championship when we brought him in. He was a gamble and has done OK, up to a point. I think with the owners we have we can trust them to do the right thing.
Post by: paul_e on November 02, 2021, 10:01:31 AM
But look at the difference in how decisively they have acted, Conte is right up there has won titles in a Italy and England. Smith managed Brentford.Spurs showing how to do it with Conte.Is that the team that’s had 3 managers in the last 12 months and declined with every appointment?
Spurs are acting like a big club.
that's a bit of a meaningless comparison really, if Tottenham were in the bottom half of the championship right now do you think Conte would be interested? When Smith goes we'll be able to judge more accurately how big a draw we can be because we now have a solid midtable at worst squad, loads of money in the bank and a reputation for spending what's needed. If we go for someone cheap and simple then the citicism will be fair.
I suspect it'll be someone either with a decent record (like Fonseca) or someone younger that they think can become a top manager pretty quickly. I'd prefer the former but the latter would see them applying the player recruitment strategy to the manager and I'd be ok with that.
Post by: caster troy on November 02, 2021, 10:02:53 AM
- has shown consistency at the top level, over the course of a season or two has demonstrated that they can deal with the ups and downs of injuries and player departures and barring the odd blip has been able to avoid any horror runs, finishing comfortably top half at least
- has shown flexibility in terms of squad rotation and tactics, with strong game management
- has produced teams that have a clear identity, a way they seek to create chances that isn't reliant on set pieces or one world class player
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2021, 10:03:04 AM
Hasenhutll would be very meh, IMO, a lot of Southampton fans want him gone and he loses 9-0 every year. Svenssson seems to be getting suggested on the basis of four good months at top flight level. He could be good or he could just be having a good run before he gets found out like Chris Wilder. Would be a massive gamble.
Dean Smith had never finished higher than 9th in the Championship when we brought him in. He was a gamble and has done OK, up to a point. I think with the owners we have we can trust them to do the right thing.
Maybe. But the nagging doubt of Purslow liking the DJ beating twat won't go away.
Post by: murgsy on November 02, 2021, 10:06:13 AM
I still think Potter would be the safest gamble. We have seen what he can do. And that, on a limited budget. He plays good football and is gaining respect as an up and coming coach.
If I was to exercise wishful thinking, Brendan Rodgers would be a top appointment, but he has absolutely no reason to leave Leicester.
I’m not anti-foreign coaches but I’m skeptical…
Absolutely no to Gerrard, Lampard, Terry, Howe, Wilder, etc
Post by: sickbeggar on November 02, 2021, 10:11:50 AM
Post by: lovejoy on November 02, 2021, 10:25:37 AM
I'm in the stick camp as the last few managerial appointments have left me underwhelmed (Garde, Sherwood, Black, McLeish, Di Matteo, Lambert). Bruce at the time was a reasonable decision but not been enthused since Martin O'Neill if I'm honest.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 02, 2021, 10:35:18 AM
I have confidence in purslow and lange to get the nwxt appointment right. For me "staying british" is over rated. Only rodgers and moyes are doing a deent job. All the remaining top sides have foreign coaches. I want a european manager if smith goes.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 02, 2021, 10:37:34 AM
There is no way Potter would leave a safe place high up in the table for Villa at the moment. For one thing we would never give him the latitude Brighton have given him (was it 4 home wins in a whole year?). I think his next job will be a bigger step up.Of course Potter would come for the right offer.
I'm in the stick camp as the last few managerial appointments have left me underwhelmed (Garde, Sherwood, Black, McLeish, Di Matteo, Lambert). Bruce at the time was a reasonable decision but not been enthused since Martin O'Neill if I'm honest.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 02, 2021, 10:40:04 AM
There is no way Potter would leave a safe place high up in the table for Villa at the moment. For one thing we would never give him the latitude Brighton have given him (was it 4 home wins in a whole year?). I think his next job will be a bigger step up.Of course Potter would come for the right offer.
I'm in the stick camp as the last few managerial appointments have left me underwhelmed (Garde, Sherwood, Black, McLeish, Di Matteo, Lambert). Bruce at the time was a reasonable decision but not been enthused since Martin O'Neill if I'm honest.
He might do if the spurs, Newcastle jobs get filled.
Im not that keen on potter to be honest. Although he jas done well there i dont think he is a big enough name for where we need to go.
Post by: SheffieldVillain on November 02, 2021, 10:40:44 AM
But look at the difference in how decisively they have acted, Conte is right up there has won titles in a Italy and England. Smith managed Brentford.Spurs showing how to do it with Conte.Is that the team that’s had 3 managers in the last 12 months and declined with every appointment?
Spurs are acting like a big club.
They were in 'advanced talks' with Conte, Gattuso and Fonseca in the summer, on the verge of appointing each of them only for the talks to collapse through lack of agreement on policy and fan backlash respectively. They then appointed Nuno. Now they've gone back to Conte and clearly given him what he asked for but didn't get last time. Not sure that's particuarly decisive really.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2021, 10:41:08 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 02, 2021, 10:43:29 AM
In comparison to us it is.But look at the difference in how decisively they have acted, Conte is right up there has won titles in a Italy and England. Smith managed Brentford.Spurs showing how to do it with Conte.Is that the team that’s had 3 managers in the last 12 months and declined with every appointment?
Spurs are acting like a big club.
They were in 'advanced talks' with Conte, Gattuso and Fonseca in the summer, on the verge of appointing each of them only for the talks to collapse through lack of agreement on policy and fan backlash respectively. They then appointed Nuno. Now they've gone back to Conte and clearly given him what he asked for but didn't get last time. Not sure that's particuarly decisive really.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 02, 2021, 10:57:09 AM
Daily Mail linking Fonseca.
Not amazed with his CV but he doesn't seem to like five at the back and he isn't Frank Terrard. Get him in.
Same here, don't see it with his record and didn't even win the league with Porto after they had won the previous 2. Would prefer Favre (or Svensson).
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 02, 2021, 11:02:30 AM
I'm not expecting an elite manager who has won lots of trophies but I do want someone who has shown they can address the problems we have currently, someone who
- has shown consistency at the top level, over the course of a season or two has demonstrated that they can deal with the ups and downs of injuries and player departures and barring the odd blip has been able to avoid any horror runs, finishing comfortably top half at least
- has shown flexibility in terms of squad rotation and tactics, with strong game management
- has produced teams that have a clear identity, a way they seek to create chances that isn't reliant on set pieces or one world class player
Trouble with that is likes of Nuno (two top 7 finishes), Dyche (got Burnley into europe which was minor miracle and has clear style of play) and arguably Eddie Howe would all qualify under that criteria.
Think it's best to look abroad really.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2021, 11:04:53 AM
Daily Mail linking Fonseca.
Not amazed with his CV but he doesn't seem to like five at the back and he isn't Frank Terrard. Get him in.
Same here, don't see it with his record and didn't even win the league with Porto after they had won the previous 2. Would prefer Favre (or Svensson).
Yes to Favre. No to Svensson, completely unproven.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 02, 2021, 11:05:57 AM
There is no way Potter would leave a safe place high up in the table for Villa at the moment. For one thing we would never give him the latitude Brighton have given him (was it 4 home wins in a whole year?). I think his next job will be a bigger step up.
I'm in the stick camp as the last few managerial appointments have left me underwhelmed (Garde, Sherwood, Black, McLeish, Di Matteo, Lambert). Bruce at the time was a reasonable decision but not been enthused since Martin O'Neill if I'm honest.
Those appointments were a different time with different owners, you cant really compare. To say just stick with Smith, is accepting (maybe) mid table at best. The new owners have only made one appointment, Dean Smith a great appointment to get us up and keep us up, the next appointment they make could be the one to push us on.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 02, 2021, 11:09:29 AM
I honestly don't know if he would. Brighton gave him a 6 year contract a while back and he's got them well on course for being a top 10 club. Jumping to us would be a massive gamble for him and not one I'm convinced he'd take for a bit more cash in his back pocket.There is no way Potter would leave a safe place high up in the table for Villa at the moment. For one thing we would never give him the latitude Brighton have given him (was it 4 home wins in a whole year?). I think his next job will be a bigger step up.Of course Potter would come for the right offer.
I'm in the stick camp as the last few managerial appointments have left me underwhelmed (Garde, Sherwood, Black, McLeish, Di Matteo, Lambert). Bruce at the time was a reasonable decision but not been enthused since Martin O'Neill if I'm honest.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 02, 2021, 11:15:54 AM
He is a good manager though and think his style of football will scale up the league, much like Rodgers style has in last decade.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 02, 2021, 11:24:42 AM
Currently under contract at Villareal.
Wonder if we'd go for manager out of work or under contract for next pick whenever that is. We did it with DS who still had a few years left to run on his deal.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 02, 2021, 11:26:20 AM
Post by: Monty on November 02, 2021, 11:26:58 AM
Post by: TonyD on November 02, 2021, 11:49:13 AM
If the Fonseca rumours are true that's somewhat encouraging, not necessarily because he's the answer but it's the right profile.What is his brand of football?
Post by: Drummond on November 02, 2021, 11:57:28 AM
If the Fonseca rumours are true that's somewhat encouraging, not necessarily because he's the answer but it's the right profile.What is his brand of football?
It doesn't matter, he's shiny and sparkly and new and sounds exotic.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2021, 12:01:14 PM
Someone like Howe would be a lazy choice. Someone like Frank Terrard would just be winging it like we did with Sherwood.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 02, 2021, 12:05:28 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 02, 2021, 12:06:06 PM
Strong flour, salt and lots of Olive Oil. Rosemary.If the Fonseca rumours are true that's somewhat encouraging, not necessarily because he's the answer but it's the right profile.What is his brand of football?
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 02, 2021, 12:06:34 PM
Daily Mail linking Fonseca.
Not amazed with his CV but he doesn't seem to like five at the back and he isn't Frank Terrard. Get him in.
Same here, don't see it with his record and didn't even win the league with Porto after they had won the previous 2. Would prefer Favre (or Svensson).
Fonseca clearly underachieved with Roma and got the sack for a reason.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 02, 2021, 12:14:14 PM
If the Fonseca rumours are true that's somewhat encouraging, not necessarily because he's the answer but it's the right profile.What is his brand of football?
Attacking, possession based football. Quite lovely when it works but often it does not as his stats make clear. Poor big game record at Roma. Plays 4-2-3-1 or 3-4-1-2. To be fair some lay more blame at the door of Monchi for his rather hopeless wheeling and dealing, arguing Fonseca suffered from a weaker Roma side than typical.
Post by: villa for life on November 02, 2021, 12:15:36 PM
There’s absolutely no way of knowing how he will fair in the premier league, especially if he is taking over a team in the relegation zone. We know he hasn’t managed in the premier league but has he ever had to “turn around” a team?
I’d much rather we went after Hasenhuttl who would almost guarantee us safety and then hopefully progression thereafter.
Post by: Villan82 on November 02, 2021, 12:15:41 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2021, 12:20:57 PM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 02, 2021, 12:26:14 PM
Every manager is a gamble. But one of the most sought after managers in Europe would clearly be less so than a 0-9 expert like Hassenhutl or a managerial novice like Frank Terrard.
Quite.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 02, 2021, 12:27:37 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 02, 2021, 12:29:15 PM
Fonseca would be a huge risk and could take us down.
There’s absolutely no way of knowing how he will fair in the premier league, especially if he is taking over a team in the relegation zone. We know he hasn’t managed in the premier league but has he ever had to “turn around” a team?
I’d much rather we went after Hasenhuttl who would almost guarantee us safety and then hopefully progression thereafter.
This line of argument is why useless twats like Bruce and Big Sam keep getting jobs.
Post by: villa for life on November 02, 2021, 12:31:05 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 02, 2021, 12:42:14 PM
Post by: Monty on November 02, 2021, 12:47:42 PM
If the Fonseca rumours are true that's somewhat encouraging, not necessarily because he's the answer but it's the right profile.What is his brand of football?
It doesn't matter, he's shiny and sparkly and new and sounds exotic.
It might mean that for the first time in years we've realised that football is played outside of the island, and that we can 'go foreign' even though Dr. Jo and Remi Garde were failures (unlike notes successes Tim Sherwood, Paul Lambert, Alex McLeish, David O'Leary, Steve Bruce etc).
Fonseca himself might not be the answer, but if the alternative is gazing longingly at Graham Potter then appointing Lampard or Gerrard (what, was Owen Hargreaves unavailable?), then that's where I'd rather us be.
Post by: brontebilly on November 02, 2021, 12:53:34 PM
Unai Emre to Newcastle- a very good move if they pull this off.
Based on his CV I guess but he flopped badly at Arsenal. I think Emery would be mad to consider going to Newcastle but I guess Saudi Arabia will be pumping money into the club and his pocket.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 02, 2021, 12:55:43 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 02, 2021, 12:56:42 PM
And missed out on Moyes
I think there's a fair bit of revisionism around Moyes all over the place right now. He's been excellent in the last 18months so there's no shock people are suddenly hugely supportive of him but people need to remember why he wasn't flying high:
Took the champions to 7th having spent the best part of £100m
Had Real Sociedad in relegation battles 2 years running
Got Sunfderland relegated, and they stillhaven't rcovered from it
Just about dragged West Ham to safety but wasn't considered good enough to keep the job
Since hten he got the job back, repeated the tirkc of saving them and has done brilliantly but there's no point before this run where you'd look at any of those achievements and think he was the best man to turn you into top 6 challengers.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 02, 2021, 01:00:03 PM
And missed out on Moyes
I think there's a fair bit of revisionism around Moyes all over the place right now. He's been excellent in the last 18months so there's no shock people are suddenly hugely supportive of him but people need to remember why he wasn't flying high:
Took the champions to 7th having spent the best part of £100m
Had Real Sociedad in relegation battles 2 years running
Got Sunfderland relegated, and they stillhaven't rcovered from it
Just about dragged West Ham to safety but wasn't considered good enough to keep the job
Since hten he got the job back, repeated the tirkc of saving them and has done brilliantly but there's no point before this run where you'd look at any of those achievements and think he was the best man to turn you into top 6 challengers.
Aye, there's quotes from Evra's book I think where apparently he went into Man U's dressing room and told the players they had to "teach him how to be a winner". Surprised he lasted as long as he did.
Post by: Risso on November 02, 2021, 01:00:21 PM
Not sure Fonseca is the mythical "next level" candidate though. He record is on a par with the likes of Gerrard and Lampard.
I trust the board to come up with the right chap though. He's got to fit in with the board's long term view in terms of style of play, way of working and possibility of taking us up a level. I think it's very clear at the moment that that man is not Dean Smith. I'll be grateful to Smith for taking us up and keeping us in the Premier League, but we can't be sentimental, and need to start catching and overtaking the likes of Arsenal, Spurs and West Ham to get into the European spots.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 02, 2021, 01:01:00 PM
Having learnt and improved.
Though I think a Smith dynasty would be more suitable
Klopp been at Liverpool 6 or 7years give Deano that time
Especially with the academy players coming through
Dean works best with players who listen to him and can be coached
Post by: paul_e on November 02, 2021, 01:05:04 PM
Not sure Fonseca is the mythical "next level" candidate though. He record is on a par with the likes of Gerrard and Lampard.
I trust the board to come up with the right chap though. He's got to fit in with the board's long term view in terms of style of play, way of working and possibility of taking us up a level. I think it's very clear at the moment that that man is not Dean Smith. I'll be grateful to Smith for taking us up and keeping us in the Premier League, but we can't be sentimental, and need to start catching and overtaking the likes of Arsenal, Spurs and West Ham to get into the European spots.
Taking us up, keeping us up and putting together a young squad which won't take much to have challenging for Europe (in my opinion). As I've said a few times now this will be (whenever it happens) the first time we've employed a new manager who won't look at the squad and think "how the fuck do I start with this lot?" I think that's the real legacy that Smith will leave behind.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 02, 2021, 01:10:53 PM
Not sure Fonseca is the mythical "next level" candidate though. He record is on a par with the likes of Gerrard and Lampard.
I trust the board to come up with the right chap though. He's got to fit in with the board's long term view in terms of style of play, way of working and possibility of taking us up a level. I think it's very clear at the moment that that man is not Dean Smith. I'll be grateful to Smith for taking us up and keeping us in the Premier League, but we can't be sentimental, and need to start catching and overtaking the likes of Arsenal, Spurs and West Ham to get into the European spots.
yeah, whether Smith should stay is one argument and while I don't want him to go, I'd concede there's valid arguments for him going. I'm just one of the nervous types wondering what we'd get. I'd like an Atkinson, SGT, MON type - someone who's done it here or abroad in a top league and would only come with major backing from the owners. I realise that currently means possibly Rodgers only in this country, and obviously an equivalent from abroad. Not sure if Fonseca is that category - more a hopeful punt imo. I realise that's a high level of "next level" but there you go,
Post by: Drummond on November 02, 2021, 01:12:26 PM
gazing longingly at Graham Potter then appointing Lampard or Gerrard (what, was Owen Hargreaves unavailable?),
Shudder.
Post by: villa for life on November 02, 2021, 01:15:42 PM
Post by: TonyD on November 02, 2021, 01:43:42 PM
Sounds a bit like Dean. But Dean has beaten the big boys.If the Fonseca rumours are true that's somewhat encouraging, not necessarily because he's the answer but it's the right profile.What is his brand of football?
Attacking, possession based football. Quite lovely when it works but often it does not as his stats make clear. Poor big game record at Roma. Plays 4-2-3-1 or 3-4-1-2. To be fair some lay more blame at the door of Monchi for his rather hopeless wheeling and dealing, arguing Fonseca suffered from a weaker Roma side than typical.
Not convinced he is that good. What does he have such a good rep then ?
Post by: TonyD on November 02, 2021, 01:45:37 PM
Unai Emre to Newcastle- a very good move if they pull this off.Quite. We should gate crash this one.
Post by: TonyD on November 02, 2021, 01:47:38 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2021, 02:13:08 PM
Unai Emre to Newcastle- a very good move if they pull this off.Quite. We should gate crash this one.
Dick already failed at Arsenal, didn't he? Not aware of Fonseca having failed anywhere.
Post by: TonyD on November 02, 2021, 02:16:04 PM
Good point.Unai Emre to Newcastle- a very good move if they pull this off.Quite. We should gate crash this one.
Dick already failed at Arsenal, didn't he? Not aware of Fonseca having failed anywhere.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2021, 02:16:14 PM
Unai Emre to Newcastle- a very good move if they pull this off.Quite. We should gate crash this one.
Dick already failed at Arsenal, didn't he? Not aware of Fonseca having failed anywhere.
did he fail at Arsenal, or were the Tarquins just not patient enough because they are massively entitled? And he had a funny accent.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 02, 2021, 02:19:21 PM
Unai Emre to Newcastle- a very good move if they pull this off.Quite. We should gate crash this one.
Dick already failed at Arsenal, didn't he? Not aware of Fonseca having failed anywhere.
Well he lasted less than a season at Porto, which is a bit....y'know
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 02, 2021, 02:20:20 PM
poison chalice, he did ok considering, he has won 4 Europa League titles.Unai Emre to Newcastle- a very good move if they pull this off.Quite. We should gate crash this one.
Dick already failed at Arsenal, didn't he? Not aware of Fonseca having failed anywhere.
did he fail at Arsenal, or were the Tarquins just not patient enough because they are massively entitled? And he had a funny accent.
Post by: TonyD on November 02, 2021, 02:21:03 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2021, 02:26:07 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 02, 2021, 02:32:15 PM
I think I might stab myself violently through the heart.
Can you stab yourself in the heart non-violently?!
Post by: Demitri_C on November 02, 2021, 02:34:16 PM
If he loses this one he cannot stay on any longer simple as that
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2021, 02:50:28 PM
I think I might stab myself violently through the heart.
Can you stab yourself in the heart non-violently?!
There seem to have been surprisingly few studies carried out. Idea for series two of Squid Games.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 02, 2021, 02:54:54 PM
I think I might stab myself violently through the heart.
Can you stab yourself in the heart non-violently?!
There seem to have been surprisingly few studies carried out.
When will these boffins do the important work?!
Post by: Allan C on November 02, 2021, 03:25:19 PM
Absolutely this. When Spurs (5 points ahead of us??) go for and get Conte, we dither about Potter, Howe and staggeringly Chris Wilder!! Hopefully the people who make the decisions are a lot more ambitious then that!!Fonseca would be a huge risk and could take us down.
There’s absolutely no way of knowing how he will fair in the premier league, especially if he is taking over a team in the relegation zone. We know he hasn’t managed in the premier league but has he ever had to “turn around” a team?
I’d much rather we went after Hasenhuttl who would almost guarantee us safety and then hopefully progression thereafter.
This line of argument is why useless twats like Bruce and Big Sam keep getting jobs.
Post by: sid1964 on November 02, 2021, 03:35:57 PM
The owners stated that they would spend whatever was needed to make us a team that will be challenging for trophies on a regular basis to do this if they decide to sack Smith, i hope that the names mentioned above are not on their list!
Post by: olaftab on November 02, 2021, 03:42:50 PM
Only when our eyes meet.I think I might stab myself violently through the heart.
Can you stab yourself in the heart non-violently?!
Post by: darren woolley on November 02, 2021, 04:17:21 PM
Nobody thanks. Happy to work through this bad patch and come out the other side.
I agree.
Post by: KevinGage on November 02, 2021, 04:17:25 PM
I think it might be a Terry/Lampard double act.
Terry wouldn't work for Fwank and with the latter's experience, he's unlikely to doff his cap to Terry at this stage of his career.
But Terry and an experienced coach of some sort I could see happening.
We had him confirmed as assistant before Smith even agreed to the job (apparently it was a factor in a few others turning down the gig) and John Percy et al had him in line to take over when we were struggling in March 2020.
So Purslow seems to trust him.
From a countinuity point of view it would make sense. Continuity, in so far as he knows most of the current squad and won't need a whole pile of time assessing their strengths and weaknesses. Rather than continuing this shite run, obv.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on November 02, 2021, 04:25:57 PM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 02, 2021, 04:38:34 PM
I think it could be Terry too.
I hope not
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 02, 2021, 04:47:12 PM
I think it could be Terry too.
Won’t be JT
Post by: Skerra on November 02, 2021, 05:05:21 PM
Post by: KevinGage on November 02, 2021, 05:06:58 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 02, 2021, 05:11:33 PM
Apart from all the fuss they made in the summer when they missed out on him, you mean?
Him and half a dozen others. Rumour is Yosser Hughes turned it down.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2021, 05:12:11 PM
I think it could be Terry too.
I think some are working themselves into a tizzy over John Terry or Frank Lampard or Gerrard who all may prove one day to be really good at PL level. But I don’t think there is a chance that we would replace Dean Smith with anyone learning the game at this level. Because if that’s the case, keep Dean Smith. We don’t have time for that. It will be a proven manager, not an up and coming or an experimental one.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2021, 05:13:19 PM
Doesn’t anyone else feel just that little bit jealous that clubs like Spurs can just go out there and get in a top class manager, with the minimum of fuss?
Do you not recall all of the managers they didn’t get before ending up with Nuno? It was a fucking gong show as managerial appointments go
Post by: ozzjim on November 02, 2021, 05:17:51 PM
I think it could be Terry too.
Won’t be JT
Interesting you are so sure of that Vinnie. In many ways he makes a lot of sense, knows the squad, club, big name so could attract players, was obviously influential behind the scenes with our defenders, and would almost certainly look to work with a reputable coaching team. Don't get me wrong, he's not in my top 3-4 choices, but he'd be a choice I would understand the club making.
Post by: ozzjim on November 02, 2021, 05:21:21 PM
Doesn’t anyone else feel just that little bit jealous that clubs like Spurs can just go out there and get in a top class manager, with the minimum of fuss?
Do you not recall all of the managers they didn’t get before ending up with Nuno? It was a fucking gong show as managerial appointments go
Conte was their first choice in the summer until he walked away from talks. Spurs appear to have found a way to shell out another £15m to Nuno and Mendes to reach the conclusion that they should have given Conte what he wanted at first.
You could argue it's a shambles. You could also argue that Levy has done well to swallow his pride and cough up to get their man eventually. They could easily make top 4 from where they are still this season with a decent run of form.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 02, 2021, 05:23:15 PM
I think it could be Terry too.
Won’t be JT
Interesting you are so sure of that Vinnie. In many ways he makes a lot of sense, knows the squad, club, big name so could attract players, was obviously influential behind the scenes with our defenders, and would almost certainly look to work with a reputable coaching team. Don't get me wrong, he's not in my top 3-4 choices, but he'd be a choice I would understand the club making.
If we had got relegated in that first season then JT was going to be manager. They won’t go down th route of getting someone in now who is cutting their teeth
Post by: ozzjim on November 02, 2021, 05:28:17 PM
I still think despite the press about Fonseca that Purslow will go all in for Gerard. I hate listening to him speak so will not look forward to that much. Least Gary Mac knows the place.
On that note, it's interesting that yet again a manager without their trusted assistant is losing their way. Smith has struggled without ROK this season, God knows what happened there, but managerial teams do seem to come as packages that work best together. If Smith does go soon, I hope whoever we go for includes the backroom team they want
Post by: Mister E on November 02, 2021, 05:43:29 PM
... If Smith does go soon, I hope whoever we go for includes the backroom team they wantThat is usually the deal, isn't it?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 02, 2021, 05:48:46 PM
Not sure Fonseca is the mythical "next level" candidate though. He record is on a par with the likes of Gerrard and Lampard.
The more I read about him, the more I think he's pretty much the type we should be going for. He quit Roma because they didn't keep the promises of investing; his second season was tarnished by injuries in the second half of the season. He'd get us very organised, understands tactics and has a very impressive win rate pretty much everywhere he's been.
He won't come cheap, rumours are he's likely to get paid £6m a year but I can see our owners going for it. Nothing in the press over here but the way we do business that's only to be expected. Gerrard or Lampard? They wish! I'd rather promote Mark Delaney. We just need the Jail Bars to confirm the appointment of Dick Emery.
Post by: Skerra on November 02, 2021, 06:08:13 PM
Post by: Ian. on November 02, 2021, 06:39:50 PM
Post by: Allan C on November 02, 2021, 06:42:04 PM
Doesn’t anyone else feel just that little bit jealous that clubs like Spurs can just go out there and get in a top class manager, with the minimum of fuss?Yes
Post by: Beard82 on November 02, 2021, 06:42:32 PM
100%Doesn’t anyone else feel just that little bit jealous that clubs like Spurs can just go out there and get in a top class manager, with the minimum of fuss?Yes
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2021, 06:43:50 PM
Post by: Allan C on November 02, 2021, 06:46:38 PM
Actually Levy has made them a laughing stock with his stubborn bargaining position and it’s backfired on him. Maybe the idiots that own Spurs should look at his positionDoesn’t anyone else feel just that little bit jealous that clubs like Spurs can just go out there and get in a top class manager, with the minimum of fuss?
Do you not recall all of the managers they didn’t get before ending up with Nuno? It was a fucking gong show as managerial appointments go
Conte was their first choice in the summer until he walked away from talks. Spurs appear to have found a way to shell out another £15m to Nuno and Mendes to reach the conclusion that they should have given Conte what he wanted at first.
You could argue it's a shambles. You could also argue that Levy has done well to swallow his pride and cough up to get their man eventually. They could easily make top 4 from where they are still this season with a decent run of form.
Post by: ez on November 02, 2021, 06:50:34 PM
Doesn’t anyone else feel just that little bit jealous that clubs like Spurs can just go out there and get in a top class manager, with the minimum of fuss?
Yes. Also jealous that they have acted to save their season and we are still dithering.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2021, 06:54:48 PM
Doesn’t anyone else feel just that little bit jealous that clubs like Spurs can just go out there and get in a top class manager, with the minimum of fuss?
Do you not recall all of the managers they didn’t get before ending up with Nuno? It was a fucking gong show as managerial appointments go
Yes.Doesn’t anyone else feel just that little bit jealous that clubs like Spurs can just go out there and get in a top class manager, with the minimum of fuss?
Yes. Also jealous that they have acted and we are still dithering.
are we dithering though? We are giving him a chance to fix the issue. And going into the season everyone agreed he should get a chance to improve on last year. It's 4 shit defeats now after beating Man U. Dithering would be firing him in January if this trend continues.
Post by: ez on November 02, 2021, 06:57:48 PM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 02, 2021, 06:58:49 PM
Doesn’t anyone else feel just that little bit jealous that clubs like Spurs can just go out there and get in a top class manager, with the minimum of fuss?
Do you not recall all of the managers they didn’t get before ending up with Nuno? It was a fucking gong show as managerial appointments go
Yes.Doesn’t anyone else feel just that little bit jealous that clubs like Spurs can just go out there and get in a top class manager, with the minimum of fuss?
Yes. Also jealous that they have acted and we are still dithering.
are we dithering though? We are giving him a chance to fix the issue. And going into the season everyone agreed he should get a chance to improve on last year. It's 4 shit defeats now after beating Man U. Dithering would be firing him in January if this trend continues.
It’s 4 defeats! It’s a year long downturn and 19 goals let in this season. Defending as bad as the season we came up.
Post by: Beard82 on November 02, 2021, 06:59:06 PM
I would imagine, as reported, we aren't dithering we're looking at options whilst remaining open to the idea that Dean could turn it round.Doesn’t anyone else feel just that little bit jealous that clubs like Spurs can just go out there and get in a top class manager, with the minimum of fuss?
Do you not recall all of the managers they didn’t get before ending up with Nuno? It was a fucking gong show as managerial appointments go
Yes.Doesn’t anyone else feel just that little bit jealous that clubs like Spurs can just go out there and get in a top class manager, with the minimum of fuss?
Yes. Also jealous that they have acted and we are still dithering.
are we dithering though? We are giving him a chance to fix the issue. And going into the season everyone agreed he should get a chance to improve on last year. It's 4 shit defeats now after beating Man U. Dithering would be firing him in January if this trend continues.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2021, 07:02:26 PM
Post by: nigel on November 02, 2021, 07:17:15 PM
Exactly. Just as Tottenham were almost certainly in touch with Conte well before the defeat against Man U.
Just read on the bbc sport gossip that we’ve made ‘informal’ contact with Fonseca.
I know it’s a link from the mail so I’ll take it with a pinch of salt.
I really want Dean to come through this.
Post by: ez on November 02, 2021, 07:17:26 PM
I would imagine, as reported, we aren't dithering we're looking at options whilst remaining open to the idea that Dean could turn it round.Doesn’t anyone else feel just that little bit jealous that clubs like Spurs can just go out there and get in a top class manager, with the minimum of fuss?
Do you not recall all of the managers they didn’t get before ending up with Nuno? It was a fucking gong show as managerial appointments go
Yes.Doesn’t anyone else feel just that little bit jealous that clubs like Spurs can just go out there and get in a top class manager, with the minimum of fuss?
Yes. Also jealous that they have acted and we are still dithering.
are we dithering though? We are giving him a chance to fix the issue. And going into the season everyone agreed he should get a chance to improve on last year. It's 4 shit defeats now after beating Man U. Dithering would be firing him in January if this trend continues.
We've been waiting a long time for him to turn it round though.
Post by: Skerra on November 02, 2021, 07:43:42 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 02, 2021, 07:51:56 PM
Should be done well before January if results keep going as they are but, I stress again, only if we can get a top manager in that can also attract top players.been a long while since we've had a top manager.
Post by: achilles on November 02, 2021, 07:56:39 PM
Should be done well before January if results keep going as they are but, I stress again, only if we can get a top manager in that can also attract top players.been a long while since we've had a top manager.
Would you class Fonseca as a top manager, I really don't know?
No debate with Conte but that one has flown the nest!
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 02, 2021, 07:58:16 PM
I don't know enough about him.Should be done well before January if results keep going as they are but, I stress again, only if we can get a top manager in that can also attract top players.been a long while since we've had a top manager.
Would you class Fonseca as a top manager, I really don't know?
No debate with Conte but that one has flown the nest!
Post by: tony scott on November 02, 2021, 07:59:28 PM
I think the biggest problem we have is the coaching team, which enables to remove the head coach with out affecting the rest of the structure ,therefore any replacement is going to have to slot in seamlessly ,this could be problematic.Apart from all the fuss they made in the summer when they missed out on him, you mean?
Him and half a dozen others. Rumour is Yosser Hughes turned it down.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2021, 08:08:23 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2021, 08:10:02 PM
Doesn’t anyone else feel just that little bit jealous that clubs like Spurs can just go out there and get in a top class manager, with the minimum of fuss?
Do you not recall all of the managers they didn’t get before ending up with Nuno? It was a fucking gong show as managerial appointments go
Yes.Doesn’t anyone else feel just that little bit jealous that clubs like Spurs can just go out there and get in a top class manager, with the minimum of fuss?
Yes. Also jealous that they have acted and we are still dithering.
are we dithering though? We are giving him a chance to fix the issue. And going into the season everyone agreed he should get a chance to improve on last year. It's 4 shit defeats now after beating Man U. Dithering would be firing him in January if this trend continues.
It’s 4 defeats! It’s a year long downturn and 19 goals let in this season. Defending as bad as the season we came up.
I get that. And I don't entirely disagree. But you can't just start adding dates to suit an argument. The season ended with two wins. Yes a lot went on this summer, much not in the control of the manager, but the season began with expectations based on this campaign and not combined with previous. He has failed so far this season and while you can look at a larger sample size, he will be retained or let go based on the expectaions set, relative to investment made in the summer and the squad we now have. He should be doing much better.
Post by: KevinGage on November 02, 2021, 08:17:14 PM
But our defensive brittleness is much more of a concern.
Post by: ozzjim on November 02, 2021, 08:32:24 PM
Trophies in a top 5 European league? In which case Emry is a brilliant pick up for Newcastle. Conte similarly for Spurs. But then I wouldn't want Jose anywhere near the place and he's won loads. Fonseca has trophies in Portugal and Ukraine and finished top 5 with Roma, is that good?
At the same time Potter had shown tactical flexibility and constantly embedded a clear style of play to his teams and looks from the outside to be the next Rodgers level manager so could be a really good choice for the long term, and appears to give younger players a shot. Could be become a top manager?
Villas Boas is only 44, won trophies and has a generally good record, he could be worth a shot back in English football.
Rudi Garcia has a decent record in France. Won trophies.
Christoph Gaultier has won things and might be gettable. Is he a top manager?
There are a lot of good managers out there, for us is about getting one that can work within the structure and have a bit more tactical ability than Smith. I actually think Smith hasn't been helped by his back room choices in the summer either to be fair. Shakespeare doesn't seem to be adding as much sorry as ROK did, while I'm yet to see the attacking wonders Danks has brought in.
Post by: LeeB on November 02, 2021, 08:42:53 PM
We could probably work around experimenting with trying to fit Watkins and Ings in a front 2/3 and having that missfire.
But our defensive brittleness is much more of a concern.
I agree, that's my bigger worry, we're far too easy to play through. There was a point last season when if the opposition were forced to slig in crosses I couldn't be happier, because they were never going to score, whereas now I'm watching through my fingers.
The stats on our distances covered are also concerning and I'm sure they're related.
We were much harder edged earlier last season, yes we got caught a couple of times with Leeds and Southampton but at least we were dying trying, and you can live with that, the approach will yield more than you'll lose.
And I know some wouldn't have but I felt we've lacked that edge since Trez got injured, yes he wasted chances and was erratic, but his workrate and discipline was massively improved and gave the team balance. Replacing him with a slicker, but still hard working right sided player may have helped. I love Bert but he couldn't be further from that type of player, and I always felt it left us a bit short against harder working sides.
Post by: ozzjim on November 02, 2021, 10:05:47 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 02, 2021, 10:37:27 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 02, 2021, 10:42:01 PM
Bert worked harder as the season went on, and is a very under rated player for me, but you can't carry him and Bailey in the same side. He's a bit like El Ghazi too, a 1 good game in 3 (el Ghazi being about 4 or 5). Actually think Bert at 10 is probably a better option than Buendia.
I've always thought that Bert should be a 10. It's not that he won't defend, it's that he can't. He has an awful lot to offer going forward though.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2021, 11:12:43 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 02, 2021, 11:14:13 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 03, 2021, 01:23:17 AM
Post by: ozzjim on November 03, 2021, 01:29:23 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 03, 2021, 01:32:53 AM
Re: Fonseca, I obviously know nothing about him because life's too short, but surely you've got to be winning the league at Porto?
Leave it mate, I've set my heart on him now and don't want anyone spoiling it by doing research or bringing facts into things.
For me, he meets the three key criteria:
1. Not being Frank Lampard
2. Not being John Terry
3. Not being Steven Gerrard
Will be gutted if Dick's decision to turn Newcastle down means they go back in for Fonseca, after all.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 03, 2021, 03:07:11 AM
The more I read about him, the more I think he's pretty much the type we should be going for. He quit Roma because they didn't keep the promises of investing; his second season was tarnished by injuries in the second half of the season. He'd get us very organised, understands tactics and has a very impressive win rate pretty much everywhere he's been.
Him 'resigning' was a face-saving exercise. As I've said before it wasn't a great Roma squad he had and Monchi did not make things any easier. So for those two reasons I will try to keep an open mind if he were to arrive at Villa. I worry that if his Roma record is typical, we will start beating the teams we 'should' beat but lose too often (and badly!) against the teams above and around us.
I might stay away from the match-thread though because if Smith is criticized for late - and ineffective - subs you have another thing coming.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 03, 2021, 07:41:16 AM
Post by: Risso on November 03, 2021, 07:42:45 AM
Re: Fonseca, I obviously know nothing about him because life's too short, but surely you've got to be winning the league at Porto?
Leave it mate, I've set my heart on him now and don't want anyone spoiling it by doing research or bringing facts into things.
For me, he meets the three key criteria:
1. Not being Frank Lampard
2. Not being John Terry
3. Not being Steven Gerrard
Will be gutted if Dick's decision to turn Newcastle down means they go back in for Fonseca, after all.
What if he plays *dramatic music* 5-3-2?!
Post by: ozzjim on November 03, 2021, 07:43:31 AM
Post by: Ian. on November 03, 2021, 07:57:07 AM
Re: Fonseca, I obviously know nothing about him because life's too short, but surely you've got to be winning the league at Porto?
Leave it mate, I've set my heart on him now and don't want anyone spoiling it by doing research or bringing facts into things.
For me, he meets the three key criteria:
1. Not being Frank Lampard
2. Not being John Terry
3. Not being Steven Gerrard
Will be gutted if Dick's decision to turn Newcastle down means they go back in for Fonseca, after all.
What if he plays *dramatic music* 5-3-2?!
I’m pretty sure it’s his favoured formation.
I’ve made this up, I have no idea who he is, where he is from and absolutely no idea at all what he’s done
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 03, 2021, 07:59:33 AM
Re: Fonseca, I obviously know nothing about him because life's too short, but surely you've got to be winning the league at Porto?
Leave it mate, I've set my heart on him now and don't want anyone spoiling it by doing research or bringing facts into things.
For me, he meets the three key criteria:
1. Not being Frank Lampard
2. Not being John Terry
3. Not being Steven Gerrard
Will be gutted if Dick's decision to turn Newcastle down means they go back in for Fonseca, after all.
What if he plays *dramatic music* 5-3-2?!
Why must you do this to me?
Post by: nigel on November 03, 2021, 08:05:21 AM
Re: Fonseca, I obviously know nothing about him because life's too short, but surely you've got to be winning the league at Porto?
Leave it mate, I've set my heart on him now and don't want anyone spoiling it by doing research or bringing facts into things.
For me, he meets the three key criteria:
1. Not being Frank Lampard
2. Not being John Terry
3. Not being Steven Gerrard
Will be gutted if Dick's decision to turn Newcastle down means they go back in for Fonseca, after all.
What if he plays *dramatic music* 5-3-2?!
Why must you do this to me?
Ha ha, even you would have to find it hilarious if it panned out that way 😂
I’m not sure you’d ever get over it, either
Post by: Beard82 on November 03, 2021, 08:08:01 AM
I don't know he has that 1 defensive move where he tries to clear it and seems to hoof the ball 200m in the air - presumably in the hope the whistle blows for full time before it comes back down.Bert worked harder as the season went on, and is a very under rated player for me, but you can't carry him and Bailey in the same side. He's a bit like El Ghazi too, a 1 good game in 3 (el Ghazi being about 4 or 5). Actually think Bert at 10 is probably a better option than Buendia.
I've always thought that Bert should be a 10. It's not that he won't defend, it's that he can't. He has an awful lot to offer going forward though.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 03, 2021, 08:42:46 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on November 03, 2021, 08:51:17 AM
Bert worked harder as the season went on, and is a very under rated player for me, but you can't carry him and Bailey in the same side. He's a bit like El Ghazi too, a 1 good game in 3 (el Ghazi being about 4 or 5). Actually think Bert at 10 is probably a better option than Buendia.
I've always thought that Bert should be a 10. It's not that he won't defend, it's that he can't. He has an awful lot to offer going forward though.
I remember watching an interview with ex-England cricket captain Nasser Hussain, where he was saying that all he would hear at selection meetings when he first took over the job was about what players couldn't do as opposed to what they were actually good at. He said he looked to change that mentality and make the most of what players were good at.
Traore's defending did get exposed at times last season, particularly against the better sides and better attacking full-backs. I suppose it is a case of trying to improve the former side of his game without impacting on the latter.
Post by: Drummond on November 03, 2021, 09:33:33 AM
Bert worked harder as the season went on, and is a very under rated player for me, but you can't carry him and Bailey in the same side. He's a bit like El Ghazi too, a 1 good game in 3 (el Ghazi being about 4 or 5). Actually think Bert at 10 is probably a better option than Buendia.
I've always thought that Bert should be a 10. It's not that he won't defend, it's that he can't. He has an awful lot to offer going forward though.
I remember watching an interview with ex-England cricket captain Nasser Hussain, where he was saying that all he would hear at selection meetings when he first took over the job was about what players couldn't do as opposed to what they were actually good at. He said he looked to change that mentality and make the most of what players were good at.
Traore's defending did get exposed at times last season, particularly against the better sides and better attacking full-backs. I suppose it is a case of trying to improve the former side of his game without impacting on the latter.
Traore is really really good at a hooked looping clearance across his own penalty area isn't he?
Post by: sickbeggar on November 03, 2021, 09:49:12 AM
Not sure Fonseca is the mythical "next level" candidate though. He record is on a par with the likes of Gerrard and Lampard.
The more I read about him, the more I think he's pretty much the type we should be going for. He quit Roma because they didn't keep the promises of investing; his second season was tarnished by injuries in the second half of the season. He'd get us very organised, understands tactics and has a very impressive win rate pretty much everywhere he's been.
He won't come cheap, rumours are he's likely to get paid £6m a year but I can see our owners going for it. Nothing in the press over here but the way we do business that's only to be expected. Gerrard or Lampard? They wish! I'd rather promote Mark Delaney. We just need the Jail Bars to confirm the appointment of Dick Emery.
Yeah i'm talking about perception really when I say next level. He could be great or rubbish, I certainly don't know.His career cv is ok. Did well at smaller Portugese clubs, so you could say he was a Potter. Bombed out at Porto, so you could say he was a Moyes. Did great at Shaktar who are like the big fish in a small pond so Gerrard, and he finished 5th at Roma. Well Lampard finished top 4. I'm not saying any of those managers are better than him, but to me he's not a guy who's gonna make people sit up and take notice or has the clout to present terms to our board. I mentioned Atkinson, SGT and MON as our last next level managers and that' holds true. Whether you thought they played great football or actually did the job, everyone knew we were aiming high. Same with Conte - it could all go easily pearshaped but I think most neutrals think Spurs could well be on the up again.
Post by: Risso on November 03, 2021, 09:50:42 AM
Traore is really really good at a hooked looping clearance across his own penalty area isn't he?
Nobody better. In the attacking third, he has a foot like a Ferrari, purring with brilliance. In the defensive third, his foot is like a sheriff's badge.
Post by: Monty on November 03, 2021, 09:56:05 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 03, 2021, 09:56:12 AM
Re: Fonseca, I obviously know nothing about him because life's too short, but surely you've got to be winning the league at Porto?
Leave it mate, I've set my heart on him now and don't want anyone spoiling it by doing research or bringing facts into things.
For me, he meets the three key criteria:
1. Not being Frank Lampard
2. Not being John Terry
3. Not being Steven Gerrard
Will be gutted if Dick's decision to turn Newcastle down means they go back in for Fonseca, after all.
What if he plays *dramatic music* 5-3-2?!
Why must you do this to me?
Ha ha, even you would have to find it hilarious if it panned out that way 😂
I’m not sure you’d ever get over it, either
Maybe if I cover one eye so I can't see the right back I could convince myself we were playing four at the back but we'd had a midfielder sent off... wouldn't be so bad then.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 03, 2021, 10:00:51 AM
Fonseca did fairly well at Roma, who are pinballing about in their usual style. Was unlucky to lose Zaniolo to a long-termer (as Mou has been to lose Spinazzola), and 5th-7th is about their level given the competition. Nowhere near the squad Lampard had at Chelsea, for instance.
Perhaps but Lampard took over in the year they had the transfer ban and was responsible for blooding all the youngsters that Tuchel has benefitted from. It only went pear-shaped when he had money
Post by: Monty on November 03, 2021, 10:03:15 AM
Fonseca did fairly well at Roma, who are pinballing about in their usual style. Was unlucky to lose Zaniolo to a long-termer (as Mou has been to lose Spinazzola), and 5th-7th is about their level given the competition. Nowhere near the squad Lampard had at Chelsea, for instance.
Perhaps but Lampard took over in the year they had the transfer ban and was responsible for blooding all the youngster that Tuchel has benefitted from. It only went pear-shaped when he had money
He had no choice but to bring in the youngsters, and while he didn't do badly I don't think it's at all fair to say Tuchel is just benefitting off his work - he took the exact squad that Lampard was flailing around with and won the Champions League. Also yes, they had the transfer ban, but their squad wasn't exactly like ours when we got promoted was it? It was still overstuffed with world class players. Fonseca, in my opinion, would have done better than Lampard.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 03, 2021, 10:11:54 AM
Fonseca did fairly well at Roma, who are pinballing about in their usual style. Was unlucky to lose Zaniolo to a long-termer (as Mou has been to lose Spinazzola), and 5th-7th is about their level given the competition. Nowhere near the squad Lampard had at Chelsea, for instance.
Perhaps but Lampard took over in the year they had the transfer ban and was responsible for blooding all the youngster that Tuchel has benefitted from. It only went pear-shaped when he had money
He had no choice but to bring in the youngsters, and while he didn't do badly I don't think it's at all fair to say Tuchel is just benefitting off his work - he took the exact squad that Lampard was flailing around with and won the Champions League. Also yes, they had the transfer ban, but their squad wasn't exactly like ours when we got promoted was it? It was still overstuffed with world class players. Fonseca, in my opinion, would have done better than Lampard.
Being forced to play youngsters and doing well with them isn't really a negative in my book. Shows he can do it without resorting to 50m signings everytime he fancies it, although admittedly very very good young players. Tuchel has been excellent but I do think Lampard suffered from his new signings taking time to bed in, a bit like our lot currently if you're being kind. Not saying he would have won the CL if he'd stayed but I don't think Fonseca would have either. He could have got a CL place like Lampard? fair comment. I don't think either him or Lampard are next level managers.
Post by: Monty on November 03, 2021, 10:13:07 AM
Post by: Gareth on November 03, 2021, 10:13:33 AM
I’ve said earlier that Galtier would be interesting but the likes of Fonseca & the raft of failed or inexperienced British managers just doesn’t appeal.
After Sunday thought 100% Dean would be gone if lose on Friday….hope more than ever that we get a win now & start the upturn.
Post by: caster troy on November 03, 2021, 10:39:16 AM
Post by: ozzjim on November 03, 2021, 10:55:34 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 03, 2021, 11:08:33 AM
Tuchel did the thing Lampard failed to do which was sort out the defence.Fonseca did fairly well at Roma, who are pinballing about in their usual style. Was unlucky to lose Zaniolo to a long-termer (as Mou has been to lose Spinazzola), and 5th-7th is about their level given the competition. Nowhere near the squad Lampard had at Chelsea, for instance.
Perhaps but Lampard took over in the year they had the transfer ban and was responsible for blooding all the youngsters that Tuchel has benefitted from. It only went pear-shaped when he had money
He then built from there.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 03, 2021, 11:39:40 AM
Fonseca did fairly well at Roma, who are pinballing about in their usual style. Was unlucky to lose Zaniolo to a long-termer (as Mou has been to lose Spinazzola), and 5th-7th is about their level given the competition. Nowhere near the squad Lampard had at Chelsea, for instance.
Perhaps but Lampard took over in the year they had the transfer ban and was responsible for blooding all the youngster that Tuchel has benefitted from. It only went pear-shaped when he had money
He had no choice but to bring in the youngsters, and while he didn't do badly I don't think it's at all fair to say Tuchel is just benefitting off his work - he took the exact squad that Lampard was flailing around with and won the Champions League. Also yes, they had the transfer ban, but their squad wasn't exactly like ours when we got promoted was it? It was still overstuffed with world class players. Fonseca, in my opinion, would have done better than Lampard.
I do think Lampard will be seriously considered by our board if/when vacancy arises. They'll just look at him promoting Tammy, Mount, Tomori and Reece James into the squad when say Sarri before him wasn't interested at all and think he could do that for the 3-4 we've got bubbling under the surface now.
And say someone like Pulisic becomes available on loan....would he rather come and play for Dean Smith or Frank Lampard if we were seriously interested?
Those are things I think Purslow would consider, not that Lampard is anywhere near my first choice though given he has similar flaws to DS, just higher profile.
Post by: ozzjim on November 03, 2021, 11:41:08 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 03, 2021, 11:42:16 AM
I still hate mid-season appointments.
Post by: Gareth on November 03, 2021, 11:42:39 AM
By the same token though Gareth, if Dean Smith, with his record at Villa, was one of the names in the hat that would not inspire me either.
Certainly the recent record 100% but it’s whether it’s better devil you know or not. If lose on Friday there can be no complaints if owners decide to roll the dice that’s for sure
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 03, 2021, 11:44:50 AM
I would prefer Terry to Lampard Soccer. The players openly said he had no tactical plan from week to week.
Terry would be a bigger gamble imo.
When he left I just assumed he'd rock up at a Swansea or Forest a few months later. Hasn't happened so how desperate is he really to be a manager?
At least when we got say Gregory back 20 years old he'd had about 18 months at Wycombe so really wouldn't see the logic of giving him his first managerial job. Surely he'd have stayed on if he sensed a change would happen mid season anyway and then him and Shakespeare would've got a couple of games as caretakers to stake their claim.
Too much of a gamble for me. Perhaps in a few years if he's managed in the championship.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 03, 2021, 11:47:25 AM
Slightly concerning is how Jorge Mendes seems to be the go-to for Christian Purslow. There were very strong rumours last season we were about to bring in Lage, the deal only collapsing at the last minute and now Fonseca, another from the Gestifute stable. Must say and although it's early doors, Lage seems to have got the Dingles back on track taking 13 out of a possible 15 points in their last 5 games.
I still hate mid-season appointments.
Well remembered. I'd have been dead against Lage tbh given I was watching Benfica regularly in 19/20 but he's doing a very good job at Wolves isn't he? Playing miles better football than Nuno (ironically one of the worst performances for them was probably v us).
It's tricky with managers. They'll be reservations about whoever we appoint but just need someone who's methods fit in well with the squad in terms of formation and style.
Sometimes it's just about timing aswell. Don't really want to be getting a new one in when we play all of Man. City, Leicester and Liverpool in a row and that's the start of next month.
Post by: OCD on November 03, 2021, 01:18:11 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 03, 2021, 03:13:52 PM
Apparently Fonseca does like to play with a back 3. Sorry CD. In fact, I don't like it either...maybe for the odd game for tactical reasons but not as a first choice regular selection.
I have less of an issue with a manager who sets their stall on it and signs players to fit the system. Where it really pisses me off is where managers 'give it a go' with a squad that doesn't suit it. I'm still not a fan because I think you're specifically setting yoursefl up to be weak against 433 and 4231 which are the 2 most common systems in the game right now.
352 and all the derivatives of it exists to outnumber teams playing 442 in the central positions, specifically in midfield. As soon as you lose that dominance it becomes a lot less effective for almost all teams because there are very few genuinely good wingbacks around.
Post by: Risso on November 03, 2021, 03:22:27 PM
Apparently Fonseca does like to play with a back 3. Sorry CD. In fact, I don't like it either...maybe for the odd game for tactical reasons but not as a first choice regular selection.
I have less of an issue with a manager who sets their stall on it and signs players to fit the system. Where it really pisses me off is where managers 'give it a go' with a squad that doesn't suit it. I'm still not a fan because I think you're specifically setting yoursefl up to be weak against 433 and 4231 which are the 2 most common systems in the game right now.
352 and all the derivatives of it exists to outnumber teams playing 442 in the central positions, specifically in midfield. As soon as you lose that dominance it becomes a lot less effective for almost all teams because there are very few genuinely good wingbacks around.
Agreed Paul. Teams like Chelsea can get away with it when their team is geared towards it and their players are genuinely excellent in just about every position. If we had two other central defenders as good as Konsa and someone like Chilwell at left wing back, we’d look much more effective than we do with defenders like Mings and Hause/Tuanzebe who couldn’t pass their way out of a paper bag, and a traditional left back like Targett.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 03, 2021, 03:26:48 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 03, 2021, 03:27:59 PM
http://outsideoftheboot.com/2020/05/28/tactical-philosophy-paulo-fonseca/
Post by: Monty on November 03, 2021, 07:36:55 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 03, 2021, 08:37:27 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 03, 2021, 09:51:50 PM
Post by: Risso on November 03, 2021, 10:00:22 PM
Another impressive win for Erik ten Hag. Trying to put himself in the shop window. Hopefully not the same one that we had the FA Cup nicked from.
He can bring Haller back to the Prem with him. 14 goals in 15 games.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 03, 2021, 10:10:01 PM
Another impressive win for Erik ten Hag. Trying to put himself in the shop window. Hopefully not the same one that we had the FA Cup nicked from.That's very funny👏👏
Post by: Steve67 on November 04, 2021, 09:27:22 PM
Post by: Risso on November 04, 2021, 09:29:38 PM
I know this should go in other football but couldn't resist. Imagine being a Newcastle fan and sacking Steve Bruce, only to appoint Eddie Howe. Blimey, the absolute height of ambition eh?
Replacing a terrible manager with a good one?
Post by: Steve67 on November 04, 2021, 09:32:33 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 04, 2021, 09:42:38 PM
Post by: curiousorange on November 04, 2021, 10:06:58 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 04, 2021, 10:14:26 PM
I know this should go in other football but couldn't resist. Imagine being a Newcastle fan and sacking Steve Bruce, only to appoint Eddie Howe. Blimey, the absolute height of ambition eh?
I'd agree that it'd be a bit underwhelming if you have the richest owners in football, even Blose fans might have some reservations about him.
Post by: ozzjim on November 04, 2021, 10:48:06 PM
Post by: Villan82 on November 04, 2021, 10:58:26 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 04, 2021, 11:00:31 PM
Howe is a fantastic coach, whether his time out has given him the perspective to mix his want to play on the front foot with coaching a defence remains to be seen, but with the right staff around him, and the right players bought for him, he is a top 6 coach.
I think he'll relegate them personally. Think this is totally the wrong job for him to return to (Southampton would be better fit if he waited a few more months).
His defensive record wasn't great at all at Bournemouth and really can't see Newcastle hitting 2-3 goals on consistant basis to win enough matches before January.
Emery would've been much better for what they want to achieve in next 18 months, probably Roy Hodgson on short term basis aswell.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 04, 2021, 11:01:55 PM
Post by: ozzjim on November 04, 2021, 11:04:56 PM
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Post by: algy on November 05, 2021, 07:16:22 AM
It's a big risk for both, but who else would want to walk into a relegation scrap with that squad? Hodgson, maybe. Allardyce, certainly but...that wouldn't work.Yeah, that's my line of thought too. They're not going to attract really top quality managers in the position they're in. Eddie Howe seems a reasonable appointment to me, from their point of view.
Post by: Didier Five on November 05, 2021, 07:24:35 AM
I wonder why Newcastle are leaning towards Howe over Fonseca.
Howe has experience of the Championship ;)
Post by: Allan C on November 05, 2021, 07:36:01 AM
Maybe he’s their Dean Smith. Recover them from the mess left by Bruce, get them to a point where the fans think he can take them no further and want another experienced top name in there. That’ll take the rest of this season and all of next then he’ll be goneIt's a big risk for both, but who else would want to walk into a relegation scrap with that squad? Hodgson, maybe. Allardyce, certainly but...that wouldn't work.Yeah, that's my line of thought too. They're not going to attract really top quality managers in the position they're in. Eddie Howe seems a reasonable appointment to me, from their point of view.
Post by: ozzjim on November 05, 2021, 07:51:30 AM
I wonder why Newcastle are leaning towards Howe over Fonseca.
From what I saw reported Fonseca and Howe have very detailed plans of what they would do, but Fonseca wanted his own back room people and Newcastle were insistent on Jones staying.
Post by: john e on November 05, 2021, 07:57:48 AM
I wonder why Newcastle are leaning towards Howe over Fonseca.
Apparently Fonseca told Newcastle He’d heard the greatest football club in the world might be interested in him and there was no way he was listening to any other offers while there might be a chance of that once-in-a-lifetime Opportunity
Post by: algy on November 05, 2021, 08:36:29 AM
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking! Not a bad gig for either party if he pulls it off - Howe will get plenty of other offers on the back of it, and Newcastle will be in a better position to emulate Manc City, which I assume is their plan.Maybe he’s their Dean Smith. Recover them from the mess left by Bruce, get them to a point where the fans think he can take them no further and want another experienced top name in there. That’ll take the rest of this season and all of next then he’ll be goneIt's a big risk for both, but who else would want to walk into a relegation scrap with that squad? Hodgson, maybe. Allardyce, certainly but...that wouldn't work.Yeah, that's my line of thought too. They're not going to attract really top quality managers in the position they're in. Eddie Howe seems a reasonable appointment to me, from their point of view.
Post by: tomd2103 on November 05, 2021, 09:18:58 AM
I know this should go in other football but couldn't resist. Imagine being a Newcastle fan and sacking Steve Bruce, only to appoint Eddie Howe. Blimey, the absolute height of ambition eh?
Clearly didn't have a replacement in place when they sacked Bruce or their preferred target turned them down. Does act as somewhat of a warning to us if the decision is to be made about Dean Smith.
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 05, 2021, 09:23:21 AM
Im obviously not happy at present and he has made some decisions that have concerned me but far too early to sack him for me
Post by: Risso on November 05, 2021, 09:27:07 AM
Im just shocked still that it is assumed a done deal that Smith is to be sacked
Im obviously not happy at present and he has made some decisions that have concerned me but far too early to sack him for me
He's been averaging a tiny bit over a point a game for this entire calendar year. We now look like being sucked into another morale-sapping relegation battle. The football is shit, and the defending even worse. Bin him now, give the new man a couple of months to evaluate things before the January window, and then back him as much as possible. Smith is a dead man walking.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 05, 2021, 09:27:58 AM
No doubt he's under big pressure and they ARE concerned at this season/beyond.
The only added issue is they dont want to make a decision now to bring someone in for the sake of it. The new man WILL have to be the one they are convinced can deliver us europe etc (so a stop gap option wont happen)
If they cant get (i dont know who) they want then that could be a huge factor for DS
Post by: andyh on November 05, 2021, 09:33:21 AM
Sounds like a plan to me.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 05, 2021, 09:37:12 AM
Vinnie, are you saying you think they might get rid, but will take their time appointing the right replacement?
Sounds like a plan to me.
They are NOT happy with how things are going and getting rid is 100% something they have discussed/thought about.
I know of a few managers who have been spoken to but no idea where its all at.
The only thing ive taken away from what ive been told is that unless they can replace Dean with the man they believe delivers our goals and pushes us on then it may drag a bit (eg get to summer and do it then is main man available then)
Post by: sickbeggar on November 05, 2021, 11:10:01 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 05, 2021, 11:16:06 AM
Vinnie, are you saying you think they might get rid, but will take their time appointing the right replacement?
Sounds like a plan to me.
They are NOT happy with how things are going and getting rid is 100% something they have discussed/thought about.
I know of a few managers who have been spoken to but no idea where its all at.
The only thing ive taken away from what ive been told is that unless they can replace Dean with the man they believe delivers our goals and pushes us on then it may drag a bit (eg get to summer and do it then is main man available then)
I'm comforted that our owners are switched on enough to be considering the change but i am alarmed at there not being a single candidate mentioned that i think "yep thats the right guy" either now or even in the summer*
*to be fair i am no expert on the world wide game so there may be a brilliant candidate in the Malaysian league i would not know about
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 05, 2021, 11:21:41 AM
Vinnie, are you saying you think they might get rid, but will take their time appointing the right replacement?
Sounds like a plan to me.
They are NOT happy with how things are going and getting rid is 100% something they have discussed/thought about.
I know of a few managers who have been spoken to but no idea where its all at.
The only thing ive taken away from what ive been told is that unless they can replace Dean with the man they believe delivers our goals and pushes us on then it may drag a bit (eg get to summer and do it then is main man available then)
Interesting. I assume "main man" is currently employed somewhere else if the summer bit is true.
Just worries me we'll just let this season drift needlessly just waiting for us to hit a big of form. Hopefully things turn tonight but you could easily see us failing to win any of our next 3 and then we hit Man. City, Leicester and Liverpool.
Hope it dosen't come to it but that could potentially be 0 wins in 10 games and us in the bottom 3 as Newcastle have some winnable games in December.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 05, 2021, 11:22:39 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 05, 2021, 11:26:03 AM
Lets be honest, we can't come up with a nailed on realistic candidate so I can understand the club wavering over the selection of a "may do better than Smith" candidate. Plenty in the "maybe would come if he was promised 250m in transfers and 6m a year in salary" range but our we in that market?
Depends what the criteria is.
I mean I just want for us this season to actually look like we could finish 9th or 10th (improvement on last season after losing our best player) so I can't believe there's no manager out there who couldn't achieve that. Of course though aim is eventually to push for top 6.
I see it a bit like Spurs getting in Conte. He's unlikely to get them top 4 this season but will have six months to at least look at the squad and make changes and then properly kick on in August so we have same potential if we make a change in next few weeks.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 05, 2021, 11:32:22 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 05, 2021, 11:38:45 AM
There's no doubt there's someone out there who can get us up in the European places but the top guys only come if the funds are there, so you're selecting on potential. A top guy isn't gonna come if you sell your best player and then expect him to replace both him and another 5 players for the same amount of money so i can see us ending up with a guy from a smaller club looking to step up and whom the board can dictate to
True but alternatively we get in someone now who can at least work out what the hell we want to do in final third e.g. do we keep picking two strikers with one wide or is it purely Watkins or Ings leading the line? Where does Bailey play? Where does Buendia play?!!!! These are questions someone needs to solve sooner or later.
If we can work it out then we should have strong end to the season and so we can kick on next season with reasonably solid final third options all being settled in a coherent style of play.
We're miles off that currently and it's showing on the pitch every week.
Post by: Mister E on November 05, 2021, 11:45:59 AM
There's no doubt there's someone out there who can get us up in the European places but the top guys only come if the funds are there, so you're selecting on potential. A top guy isn't gonna come if you sell your best player and then expect him to replace both him and another 5 players for the same amount of money so i can see us ending up with a guy from a smaller club looking to step up and whom the board can dictate toNah, I think your last assertion is flawed, because they've done the 'manager from a smaller club' thing. The only exception might be Potter, but I suspect they'll be looking more widely than that.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 05, 2021, 11:49:45 AM
There's no doubt there's someone out there who can get us up in the European places but the top guys only come if the funds are there, so you're selecting on potential. A top guy isn't gonna come if you sell your best player and then expect him to replace both him and another 5 players for the same amount of money so i can see us ending up with a guy from a smaller club looking to step up and whom the board can dictate to
True but alternatively we get in someone now who can at least work out what the hell we want to do in final third e.g. do we keep picking two strikers with one wide or is it purely Watkins or Ings leading the line? Where does Bailey play? Where does Buendia play?!!!! These are questions someone needs to solve sooner or later.
If we can work it out then we should have strong end to the season and so we can kick on next season with reasonably solid final third options all being settled in a coherent style of play.
We're miles off that currently and it's showing on the pitch every week.
yeah i'm sure there's a candidate who can sort out a system that can get the best out of our existing players if Smith can't. My point is you're limited to an extent by the ambition of the club and the clout of the new guy. Say we get a Fonseca or a Potter. Can they demand a 30m midfielder in January or will they be told you can have him in the summer and just keep us in the Premiership till them or we'll try and arrange a loan deal for someone. I'm sure whatever Conte has been given as a target this season, he made sure the cash was there before he signed up
Post by: sickbeggar on November 05, 2021, 11:59:33 AM
There's no doubt there's someone out there who can get us up in the European places but the top guys only come if the funds are there, so you're selecting on potential. A top guy isn't gonna come if you sell your best player and then expect him to replace both him and another 5 players for the same amount of money so i can see us ending up with a guy from a smaller club looking to step up and whom the board can dictate toNah, I think your last assertion is flawed, because they've done the 'manager from a smaller club' thing. The only exception might be Potter, but I suspect they'll be looking more widely than that.
I hope so but it still comes down to whether they're looking for a guy who will make do with the present squad or a guy who can demand significant funds now to sort out the flaws in our squad currently. An established name with a history of winning stuff won't take the gig unless that side is in place. Why would he? The likes of Fonseca or Potter may because the risk of not having the clout to demand funds will be overrided by the opportunity.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 05, 2021, 12:08:03 PM
And finally doesn’t assume fans are fucking dopes with no knowledge of the finer points of the game. And that like him him, we know 35% possession and no shots on goal isn’t a great stat.
Post by: ozzjim on November 05, 2021, 01:57:38 PM
Lose tonight we are in a relegation battle proper. In fact don't win we are, 11pts from 11 games is going to be bottom 5 over a season. There are plenty of good managers out there. Spurs just appointed one who won Serie A last year. If there is one we want act like a club with ambition and go and get them. Pissing about till next summer will just see us go down.
Post by: Rigadon on November 05, 2021, 02:15:08 PM
All appears a bit clutching at straws. The inference earlier in the week was that he was gone regardless of the result this weekend Vinnie, now he might get the season if they can't get the right man.
Lose tonight we are in a relegation battle proper. In fact don't win we are, 11pts from 11 games is going to be bottom 5 over a season. There are plenty of good managers out there. Spurs just appointed one who won Serie A last year. If there is one we want act like a club with ambition and go and get them. Pissing about till next summer will just see us go down.
We can't compete with the likes of Spurs.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 05, 2021, 02:38:00 PM
All appears a bit clutching at straws. The inference earlier in the week was that he was gone regardless of the result this weekend Vinnie, now he might get the season if they can't get the right man.
Lose tonight we are in a relegation battle proper. In fact don't win we are, 11pts from 11 games is going to be bottom 5 over a season. There are plenty of good managers out there. Spurs just appointed one who won Serie A last year. If there is one we want act like a club with ambition and go and get them. Pissing about till next summer will just see us go down.
Think the long term acceptance he may not be the man to take us to Europe has been the decision made
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 05, 2021, 02:42:59 PM
All appears a bit clutching at straws. The inference earlier in the week was that he was gone regardless of the result this weekend Vinnie, now he might get the season if they can't get the right man.
Lose tonight we are in a relegation battle proper. In fact don't win we are, 11pts from 11 games is going to be bottom 5 over a season. There are plenty of good managers out there. Spurs just appointed one who won Serie A last year. If there is one we want act like a club with ambition and go and get them. Pissing about till next summer will just see us go down.
We can't compete with the likes of Spurs.
compete? We made Alex McLeish one of the top paid managers in the world at the time with RL's money. We can compete with any team pretty much when it comes to salary. It's a question of ambition. I would hope Spurs are never more ambitious than us.
Post by: paul_e on November 05, 2021, 02:50:09 PM
All appears a bit clutching at straws. The inference earlier in the week was that he was gone regardless of the result this weekend Vinnie, now he might get the season if they can't get the right man.
Lose tonight we are in a relegation battle proper. In fact don't win we are, 11pts from 11 games is going to be bottom 5 over a season. There are plenty of good managers out there. Spurs just appointed one who won Serie A last year. If there is one we want act like a club with ambition and go and get them. Pissing about till next summer will just see us go down.
Think the long term acceptance he may not be the man to take us to Europe has been the decision made
It wouldn't shock me if, privately, the decision has been made that this is Smith's last season (barring a miracle run to Europe from here) and all that's left to debate is how much of it he sees out. It would, to me, suggest that they have a clear idea of who comes in and are willing to wait for him unless things really fall apart.
Post by: Rigadon on November 05, 2021, 02:51:25 PM
All appears a bit clutching at straws. The inference earlier in the week was that he was gone regardless of the result this weekend Vinnie, now he might get the season if they can't get the right man.
Lose tonight we are in a relegation battle proper. In fact don't win we are, 11pts from 11 games is going to be bottom 5 over a season. There are plenty of good managers out there. Spurs just appointed one who won Serie A last year. If there is one we want act like a club with ambition and go and get them. Pissing about till next summer will just see us go down.
We can't compete with the likes of Spurs.
compete? We made Alex McLeish one of the top paid managers in the world at the time with RL's money. We can compete with any team pretty much when it comes to salary. It's a question of ambition. I would hope Spurs are never more ambitious than us.
Was tongue in cheek. Agree most of a clubs allure is linked to perceived ambition of the owners and available funds (one and the same thing these days). The fact that they are a London club works in Spurs favour to some degree.
What else goes into it? Current squad and position in the league? Youth set up...?
Whatever, Spurs have Conte.
Post by: Steve67 on November 05, 2021, 03:50:30 PM
Post by: ozzjim on November 05, 2021, 04:12:10 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 05, 2021, 07:30:03 PM
I want a manager who is smart enough to not only have different tactics to start a game based on who we are playing. Who is able to use all of his players in the squad. And who is astute enough to change things up at any time during a game if things aren’t going to plan or even if they are and the game status warrants it. And when things don’t go to plan he doesn’t immediately point to the players as the obvious reason why.
And finally doesn’t assume fans are fucking dopes with no knowledge of the finer points of the game. And that like him him, we know 35% possession and no shots on goal isn’t a great stat.
Not digging you out Toronto but what you’ve described is the opposite of what I think we need. I want a manager that has a clear set it tactics/principles and is driven by process rather than chopping and changing. Keep it simple so the club can plan and recruit with narrower/matching targets/goals.
I know it is a lazy examples but Liverpool/Man City have defined tactics so rarely waste money in the transfer market (At the other end of the scale you have Burnley and I think Arsenal will get there eventually with Arteta) whereas Man U splurge money everywhere because OGS cannot nail down a set of core principles from which to plan.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 05, 2021, 07:38:22 PM
All appears a bit clutching at straws. The inference earlier in the week was that he was gone regardless of the result this weekend Vinnie, now he might get the season if they can't get the right man.
Lose tonight we are in a relegation battle proper. In fact don't win we are, 11pts from 11 games is going to be bottom 5 over a season. There are plenty of good managers out there. Spurs just appointed one who won Serie A last year. If there is one we want act like a club with ambition and go and get them. Pissing about till next summer will just see us go down.
We can't compete with the likes of Spurs.
compete? We made Alex McLeish one of the top paid managers in the world at the time with RL's money. We can compete with any team pretty much when it comes to salary. It's a question of ambition. I would hope Spurs are never more ambitious than us.
Was tongue in cheek. Agree most of a clubs allure is linked to perceived ambition of the owners and available funds (one and the same thing these days). The fact that they are a London club works in Spurs favour to some degree.
What else goes into it? Current squad and position in the league? Youth set up...?
Whatever, Spurs have Conte.
Spurs will still be up and down this season. Will see if Kane gets a new lease of life but wouldn't say in other positions they have incredibly better players compared to us. They should be properly back in top 4 mix next season though given Conte's calibre.
Bigger issue though is what happens if likes of West Ham and Wolves are 10-15 points clear of us by end of season. We can't keep playing the "these teams been in premier league longer and spent xxx million" card as that's just passing the buck and making excuses to me.
West Ham nearly went down with us in 19/20 so shows underachieving squad can rise quickly if they get the right manager in.
Post by: Hairbandinho on November 05, 2021, 08:50:26 PM
Allardyce or Terry then.
Can't wait
Post by: Demitri_C on November 05, 2021, 08:53:26 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on November 05, 2021, 08:57:32 PM
Post by: Risso on November 05, 2021, 09:08:12 PM
I'd be happy to promote Mark Delaney, with Sid as his assistant.
Sid has early onset Alzheimer’s, so that’s not an especially realistic idea I’m afraid.
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on November 05, 2021, 09:53:30 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 05, 2021, 10:08:41 PM
When smith goes it's going to be a washed up has been or someone with no experience as a manager.
Allardyce or Terry then.
Can't wait
Not a fan of the owners or Purslow then?
In our present state Big Sam up to end of season wouldn't actually be worst shout in the world....
However trick is to find someone to comfortably get us back to mid table and then scale us up next 2-3 season. Not easy but there are a couple of managers out there with potential to do that I think.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 05, 2021, 10:19:51 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 05, 2021, 10:20:09 PM
When smith goes it's going to be a washed up has been or someone with no experience as a manager.
Allardyce or Terry then.
Can't wait
This isnt Tony xia in charge
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 05, 2021, 10:38:59 PM
Go and get Una Emery now.We've got a project.He wants a project.
Not a stupid idea, a good call
Post by: Demitri_C on November 05, 2021, 10:40:29 PM
Go and get Una Emery now.We've got a project.He wants a project.
I dont think he wants to leave villareal hence why he rejected Newcastle
Id love him.here personally
Post by: Flin5tone on November 05, 2021, 10:42:09 PM
The type of impact Tim Sherwood had
Post by: sickbeggar on November 05, 2021, 10:51:09 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 05, 2021, 10:53:08 PM
We need someone in to lift the place it all feels doom and gloom
The type of impact Tim Sherwood had
Yes we need someone utterly incompetent to take over.
Post by: The_ads on November 05, 2021, 10:54:46 PM
I always get Emery mixed up with that guy who stunk Arsenal out a few years ago.
You mean Unai Emery?
Post by: Steve67 on November 05, 2021, 10:56:03 PM
I always get Emery mixed up with that guy who stunk Arsenal out a few years ago.
You mean Unai Emery?
One and the same. He's a decent Manager.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 05, 2021, 10:58:16 PM
No to gerrard and Terry
Hell no to Lampard or Allardyce
Post by: ozzjim on November 05, 2021, 10:58:21 PM
Purslow will go all in on Gerard.
Post by: The_ads on November 05, 2021, 11:01:03 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on November 05, 2021, 11:02:34 PM
Post by: Steve67 on November 05, 2021, 11:02:55 PM
Post by: The_ads on November 05, 2021, 11:03:49 PM
Who is the Favre chap please?
Ex Dortmund. His record looks excellent to me
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 05, 2021, 11:03:51 PM
Who is the Favre chap please?
Brett. Former Green Bay Packers Quarterback. Takes a superb long throw.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 05, 2021, 11:04:32 PM
Post by: Steve67 on November 05, 2021, 11:06:51 PM
Who is the Favre chap please?
Brett. Former Green Bay Packers Quarterback. Takes a superb long throw.
Ha ha, smarty pants!! ;-)
Post by: ozzjim on November 05, 2021, 11:09:24 PM
I think it’ll be Gerrard but I really think we should go balls on the line for Favre.
Agreed on Favre.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 05, 2021, 11:11:27 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 05, 2021, 11:11:34 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 05, 2021, 11:12:13 PM
Who is the Favre chap please?
Won a cup at Dortmund (although he wasn't a great success overall).
Took over 'Gladbach when they were rock bottom of Bundesliga in Jan 2011. Kept them up via play off and they finished top 4 the next season. Did similar at OGC Nice aswell (sure Brian Green can give better summary).
Experience in top leagues and would be a coup imo. Valverde would be very interesting pick aswell so those are two high profile and generally successful managers who are available currently.
Post by: curiousorange on November 05, 2021, 11:13:08 PM
Post by: ozzjim on November 05, 2021, 11:13:31 PM
Post by: Steve67 on November 05, 2021, 11:13:57 PM
Post by: Villan82 on November 05, 2021, 11:15:07 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 05, 2021, 11:18:28 PM
Thanks SHQ. Sounds interesting.
Only worry is Palace interviewed him in the summer and not sure they felt he'd be right fit for them given he's in his 60s now so potential to be another Houllier if he's lost a bit of motivation.
In terms of generally coaching at top level in last decade he's one of the top candidates out there.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 05, 2021, 11:18:46 PM
Can we please not have a 'project' manager, please? I'm already a little frustrated by having mega rich owners and having to scour leagues for the next big thing rather than being allowed to just buy players who are actually good. Get a winner in.
yep, if they bin him I don't want another hopeful punt.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 05, 2021, 11:27:03 PM
Please go out and get someone brilliant.
Post by: The_ads on November 05, 2021, 11:30:45 PM
See if we had changed after Arsenal I would fancy some of the shouts but we are now two further (points-less) games into the mire now so I wonder do we need to think of survival instead of the future? They have been too loyal to Dean, really.
There are 27 games left not 7
Post by: Villan82 on November 05, 2021, 11:34:52 PM
See if we had changed after Arsenal I would fancy some of the shouts but we are now two further (points-less) games into the mire now so I wonder do we need to think of survival instead of the future? They have been too loyal to Dean, really.
There are 27 games left not 7
Yes, but my point is, the longer we leave it the more of a gamble it is.
Post by: The_ads on November 05, 2021, 11:43:19 PM
See if we had changed after Arsenal I would fancy some of the shouts but we are now two further (points-less) games into the mire now so I wonder do we need to think of survival instead of the future? They have been too loyal to Dean, really.
There are 27 games left not 7
Yes, but my point is, the longer we leave it the more of a gamble it is.
I get that mate but it’s two games post Arsenal. It’s hardly a lost cause. It’s no where near
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 05, 2021, 11:44:43 PM
See if we had changed after Arsenal I would fancy some of the shouts but we are now two further (points-less) games into the mire now so I wonder do we need to think of survival instead of the future? They have been too loyal to Dean, really.
There are 27 games left not 7
Yes, but my point is, the longer we leave it the more of a gamble it is.
I get that mate but it’s two games post Arsenal. It’s hardly a lost cause. It’s no where
It’s 5 straight defeats and and abysmal record stretching into last season. He has proven with more than enough evidence that outside of a few bright spots he cannot win without Jack Grealish. He’s simply not good enough at this level.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 06, 2021, 12:02:47 AM
See if we had changed after Arsenal I would fancy some of the shouts but we are now two further (points-less) games into the mire now so I wonder do we need to think of survival instead of the future? They have been too loyal to Dean, really.
There are 27 games left not 7
Yes, but my point is, the longer we leave it the more of a gamble it is.
I get that mate but it’s two games post Arsenal. It’s hardly a lost cause. It’s no where
It’s 5 straight defeats and and abysmal record stretching into last season. He has proven with more than enough evidence that outside of a few bright spots he cannot win without Jack Grealish. He’s simply not good enough at this level.
Agree
Jack carried us
Post by: TonyD on November 06, 2021, 01:31:18 AM
He ouses confidence.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 06, 2021, 01:43:56 AM
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Post by: villa for life on November 06, 2021, 02:42:26 AM
We just can’t afford to go down.
A manager without premier league experience will take longer to settle. Wolves lost their first three- can we afford to lose another 3-5 games on the spin?
I’d take Hodgson until the summer if who they really want is unwilling to leave mid season.
It makes no sense to give a long contract to our 3/4/5 choice …
Post by: Villan For Life on November 06, 2021, 06:07:20 AM
We are already, and we are going to continue to be flirting in around the relegation zone this season.
We just can’t afford to go down.
A manager without premier league experience will take longer to settle. Wolves lost their first three- can we afford to lose another 3-5 games on the spin?
I’d take Hodgson until the summer if who they really want is unwilling to leave mid season.
It makes no sense to give a long contract to our 3/4/5 choice …
Hodgson is retired
Post by: Villafirst on November 06, 2021, 06:54:53 AM
If we attract a top class candidate, you have to wonder about their reaction to our recruitment policy. I am guessing most of them will have some players in mind who they want pdq, regardless of youth and resale value.
Hopefully a new Manager would see the glaring lack of a top quality DM. This has come back to bite DS big time when he had all summer to address it.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 06, 2021, 07:08:45 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 06, 2021, 07:15:48 AM
ITK.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 06, 2021, 07:21:59 AM
they're going to get in Ronald Koeman.
ITK.
I think that would be good tbh, did well at Southampton and Everton for a bit! Joking aside I don’t see a team managed by RK getting relegated.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 06, 2021, 07:28:10 AM
Had success in england and the barce job is impossible at the amount with all the restrictions there
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 06, 2021, 07:36:47 AM
Post by: dutchvilla on November 06, 2021, 07:43:01 AM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 06, 2021, 07:49:41 AM
Koeman is not considered a good coach in the Netherlands. He is solid, but unspectacular, and wouldn't be an improvement on Smith in terms of tactics and adapting to situations during games.
Don’t really care how he is considered in the Netherlands, but good to hear your view. He got Southampton and Everton into Europe.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 06, 2021, 07:50:29 AM
Post by: The_ads on November 06, 2021, 07:54:21 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 06, 2021, 07:54:58 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 06, 2021, 08:04:33 AM
Post by: Villan For Life on November 06, 2021, 08:11:39 AM
Post by: ozzjim on November 06, 2021, 08:13:34 AM
He's a big name for sure, but you would need to keep him away from buying the players.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 06, 2021, 08:26:50 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 06, 2021, 08:27:44 AM
In the Times match report it says that we’ve already held informal talks with Fonseca.he's held talks with everyone recently
Post by: Holte L2 on November 06, 2021, 08:29:09 AM
Post by: Rudy65 on November 06, 2021, 08:31:54 AM
I'd test Everton's resolve and go for Rafa.
Everton are on a bad run as well. They looked as chaotic and poor as we do against Wolves the other night. No thanks
Post by: olaftab on November 06, 2021, 08:36:00 AM
I'd test Everton's resolve and go for Rafa.Yes let’s fix a problem that Everton have.
Post by: ozzjim on November 06, 2021, 08:37:41 AM
Post by: The_ads on November 06, 2021, 08:38:22 AM
I'd test Everton's resolve and go for Rafa.
I don’t want yesterdays man. I want tomorrows. A progressive coach with modern ideas on a pattern of play to bring some success. It’s a fine balance between taking a punt on a Terry or Gerrard versus someone more experienced.
Post by: Holte L2 on November 06, 2021, 08:41:53 AM
He and Purslow are not exactly friends. Won't happen.
I realised this as soon as i wrote it.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 06, 2021, 08:42:30 AM
In the Times match report it says that we’ve already held informal talks with Fonseca.
Great news if true. Id be delighted with fonny. A massive improvement on smith
Post by: ozzjim on November 06, 2021, 08:45:15 AM
I'd test Everton's resolve and go for Rafa.
I don’t want yesterdays man. I want tomorrows. A progressive coach with modern ideas on a pattern of play to bring some success. It’s a fine balance between taking a punt on a Terry or Gerrard versus someone more experienced.
Apart from his voice I am ambivalent on Gerard. He's done well with Rangers, bought well, and gets them up for the big games. He also did some time learning the coaching game first which I think serves him well.
I would sooner go Fonseca a proper up and coming Klopp, but not sure how easy they are to find. Lange has a big job on.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 06, 2021, 08:46:33 AM
Post by: Mister E on November 06, 2021, 08:49:17 AM
Bo Svensson - young and up-and-coming - would be a risk.
Fonseca or Favre would be the safe bets.
Potter and Vieira - good but difficult to prise away from current clubs
Post by: ozzjim on November 06, 2021, 08:51:17 AM
Fonseca gives me the jitters. So-so record, no experience of a relegation battle, coming into a club where the defenders don't even understand how to play 5 at the back, presumably non English speaker.
Fluent English apparently.
Post by: Des Little on November 06, 2021, 08:52:03 AM
My only hope is that the people that we employ on very good money to make such decisions have bigger and better plans than what I’m seeing and hearing. Time to earn those salaries and reputations.
Post by: The_ads on November 06, 2021, 08:52:10 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 06, 2021, 08:52:40 AM
Fonseca gives me the jitters. So-so record, no experience of a relegation battle, coming into a club where the defenders don't even understand how to play 5 at the back, presumably non English speaker.
I’m with you on this, I just don’t see the attraction from his CV and everything I’ve read.
Post by: Holte L2 on November 06, 2021, 08:53:20 AM
Fonseca gives me the jitters. So-so record, no experience of a relegation battle, coming into a club where the defenders don't even understand how to play 5 at the back, presumably non English speaker.
Fluent English apparently.
He's never stayed longer than 18 months. Finished 5th and 7th with Roma. For me, he's the Portuguese Sherwood.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 06, 2021, 08:53:54 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 06, 2021, 08:54:24 AM
Fonseca gives me the jitters. So-so record, no experience of a relegation battle, coming into a club where the defenders don't even understand how to play 5 at the back, presumably non English speaker.
Fluent English apparently.
ah right. He does like 3 at the back though...…….
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on November 06, 2021, 08:55:10 AM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 06, 2021, 08:55:25 AM
Gerrard wouldn't be a bad shout, other than that he'd see it as a stepping stone to the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' job.
Bo Svensson - young and up-and-coming - would be a risk.
Fonseca or Favre would be the safe bets.
Potter and Vieira - good but difficult to prise away from current clubs
Gerard hasn’t done that well. 1 league title in a season Celtic imploded. St.Johnstone did better winning the domestic double, no one is saying give him the job. No thanks on SG
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 06, 2021, 08:56:31 AM
I don’t understand the stick levelled at Gerrard for managing in a pub league when the media are fawning over Potter who cut his teeth in a league thats almost certainly worse.
I’m not sure you’re comparing apples with apples there. The team Potter took into Europe have since been relegated demonstrating how much they overachieved whereas Rangers are always there or thereabouts. Potter has also done okay at Swansea and Brighton, arguably demonstrating that he is the catalyst rather than luck or circumstances.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 06, 2021, 08:57:54 AM
Fonseca gives me the jitters. So-so record, no experience of a relegation battle, coming into a club where the defenders don't even understand how to play 5 at the back, presumably non English speaker.
I’m with you on this, I just don’t see the attraction from his CV and everything I’ve read.
yeah, not saying he's bad, but definitely in the "hopeful punt" category. Sort of guy you'd go for at the start of the season with the time to get his ideas across, not in November.
Post by: Goldenballs on November 06, 2021, 08:58:33 AM
Post by: ozzjim on November 06, 2021, 08:58:40 AM
For me Lange needs to identify a coach on an upward trajectory in Europe and go get him in. Simple. He's paid very well to do that too.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 06, 2021, 08:59:16 AM
I wouldn’t say Fonseca’s record is bad. Isn’t it pretty much one ropey season with Roma? Other than that pretty good.
Well he did a Moyes at Porto.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 06, 2021, 09:01:01 AM
Gut feeling - Gerrard
Post by: nigel on November 06, 2021, 09:01:23 AM
I hate myself for saying this, but maybe we should get a firefighter in, give him to the end of the season, get rid in May and get the big name when we're hopefully safe and can attract them. I'd be very wary of bringing in a coach with no experience of the PL a month before Christmas. Could be Garde all over again
I retired 11 years ago, but willing to have a crack for the boys 😉
Post by: sickbeggar on November 06, 2021, 09:03:26 AM
I hate myself for saying this, but maybe we should get a firefighter in, give him to the end of the season, get rid in May and get the big name when we're hopefully safe and can attract them. I'd be very wary of bringing in a coach with no experience of the PL a month before Christmas. Could be Garde all over again
I retired 11 years ago, but willing to have a crack for the boys 😉
heh
Post by: sickbeggar on November 06, 2021, 09:06:38 AM
Rodgers that Leicester took from Celtic where he had less opposition than Gerard has at Rangers? I get the point, and accept he'd done well with Swansea and Liverpool, but Gerard might go on to do just as well.
For me Lange needs to identify a coach on an upward trajectory in Europe and go get him in. Simple. He's paid very well to do that too.
Rodgers would be my "ambition" candidate out of the British managers. Not going to get a gig with the top 4, and his careers hit a ceiling, proved he can do it. Probably would come if we promised him a transfer budget and salary worthy of the name. Just can't see us doing that though.
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Post by: ozzjim on November 06, 2021, 09:11:39 AM
Our best hope like that is Potter, who I think is as good as Rodgers, but that move will take huge money and swaying by our owners.
Post by: nigel on November 06, 2021, 09:19:16 AM
I mentioned Gerrard as a left field appointment during our first season back in the prem when covid struck.
I wouldn’t be underwhelmed if he came in, but I might have reservations.
For me i don’t think he’d be any more a risk than than the others mentioned.
When Ron Saunders was appointed all those years ago, if my memory serves me, it wasn’t an overwhelming appointment.
Sometimes a manager/player just suits a club
Post by: sickbeggar on November 06, 2021, 09:20:56 AM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 06, 2021, 09:22:22 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 06, 2021, 09:33:21 AM
I'd test Everton's resolve and go for Rafa.
I don’t want yesterdays man. I want tomorrows. A progressive coach with modern ideas on a pattern of play to bring some success. It’s a fine balance between taking a punt on a Terry or Gerrard versus someone more experienced.
Apart from his voice I am ambivalent on Gerard. He's done well with Rangers, bought well, and gets them up for the big games. He also did some time learning the coaching game first which I think serves him well.
I would sooner go Fonseca a proper up and coming Klopp, but not sure how easy they are to find. Lange has a big job on.
Not sure where this idea that Gerrard has done well comes from. Media hype based on Liverpool bias is all I can assume.
With all the money that "Rangers" spend compared to their rivals, he's won one trophy out of the nine he's gone for. Callum Davidson has won two out of the three he's attempted having spent fuck all. Would anyone on here want Callum Davidson? If not, it can only be lusting after Gerrard's playing career that attracts potential suitors. Bruce, Di Matteo, McLeish, Lambert, O'Leary and McNeill had brilliant playing careers. It's largely meaningless.
Post by: algy on November 06, 2021, 09:33:58 AM
My problem is that I don’t rate or want any of these names that are being banded about. This all smacks of doing your shopping at 5pm on Christmas Eve, taking what’s left rather than what you actually want.I agree. Of the names mention, ten Hag is the only one who strikes me as being a clear upgrade on Smith. He's the face I'd want, and if it means appointing an interim manager (or keeping Smith) until the end of the season, so be it.
My only hope is that the people that we employ on very good money to make such decisions have bigger and better plans than what I’m seeing and hearing. Time to earn those salaries and reputations.
Post by: murgsy on November 06, 2021, 09:47:02 AM
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Post by: sickbeggar on November 06, 2021, 10:01:21 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 06, 2021, 10:05:58 AM
Gerrard may be one - a motivator - which, we need as much as anything.
Post by: algy on November 06, 2021, 10:17:43 AM
I reckon Ten Haag is destined for top jobs like United, City, Juve or PSG….Then make Villa one of the top jobs. Make him an offer he can't refuse.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 06, 2021, 10:18:44 AM
Fonseca gives me the jitters. So-so record, no experience of a relegation battle, coming into a club where the defenders don't even understand how to play 5 at the back, presumably non English speaker.
Fluent English apparently.
He's never stayed longer than 18 months. Finished 5th and 7th with Roma. For me, he's the Portuguese Sherwood.
The most ridiculous comparison ive read. When has Sherwood finished 5th and 7th in a top european league?
Sherwoods had two jobs us and spurs. Had a half decent start then imploded here and didnt do great at spurs. Then went swindon and flopped there. No ones touched him since.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 06, 2021, 10:19:15 AM
Post by: Beard82 on November 06, 2021, 10:28:48 AM
Think he’ll be given the rest of the season then - as can still see him turning it round and us finishing lower mid table and then waiting til the end of the season for someone new
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 06, 2021, 10:31:41 AM
Rodgers that Leicester took from Celtic where he had less opposition than Gerard has at Rangers? I get the point, and accept he'd done well with Swansea and Liverpool, but Gerard might go on to do just as well.
For me Lange needs to identify a coach on an upward trajectory in Europe and go get him in. Simple. He's paid very well to do that too.
Denmark manager would be a good shout surely. They're one of the best teams in world football currently and they've handled the loss of Eriksen with complete ease.
Not sure what his club record is like though. He's the sort Brentford are probably putting feelers out for 2-3 years time if Thomas Franks moves on.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 06, 2021, 10:33:34 AM
I've just started a game on football manager as Villa - I reckon a good season for me on there and I'll ping Purslow my cv
Apparently Sherwood got the gig by showing Lerner his Tetris high score.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 06, 2021, 10:35:05 AM
wonder what McLeish showed Lerner?I've just started a game on football manager as Villa - I reckon a good season for me on there and I'll ping Purslow my cv
Apparently Sherwood got the gig by showing Lerner his Tetris high score.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 06, 2021, 10:40:10 AM
I hope we go for Potter based on where we are right now.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 06, 2021, 10:40:16 AM
wonder what McLeish showed Lerner?I've just started a game on football manager as Villa - I reckon a good season for me on there and I'll ping Purslow my cv
Apparently Sherwood got the gig by showing Lerner his Tetris high score.
His love letter from Fergie wasn't it?
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 06, 2021, 10:41:37 AM
LSDwonder what McLeish showed Lerner?I've just started a game on football manager as Villa - I reckon a good season for me on there and I'll ping Purslow my cv
Apparently Sherwood got the gig by showing Lerner his Tetris high score.
Post by: BC Villain on November 06, 2021, 10:56:10 AM
wonder what McLeish showed Lerner?I've just started a game on football manager as Villa - I reckon a good season for me on there and I'll ping Purslow my cv
Apparently Sherwood got the gig by showing Lerner his Tetris high score.
Fergusons letter
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on November 06, 2021, 11:08:53 AM
Appointing Potter for “where we are right now” doesn’t sound aspirational.
Posters comparing Rodgers with Gerrard seem to have forgotten the former’s recent FA cup success as well as his pl experience.
For me it’s a no-brainer. If Dean goes we need to appoint someone with a managerial profile (not a playing profile) and we need to go as big as we can otherwise we’ll end up in a managerial merry
go-round again.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 06, 2021, 11:21:04 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 06, 2021, 11:22:47 AM
wonder what McLeish showed Lerner?I've just started a game on football manager as Villa - I reckon a good season for me on there and I'll ping Purslow my cv
Apparently Sherwood got the gig by showing Lerner his Tetris high score.
Hopefully not his Snake.
Post by: curiousorange on November 06, 2021, 11:22:53 AM
I realise after reading that back it makes it sound like I want Dyche or someone. Ideally you want a coach that goes from fitness freak to tactical genius.
Post by: algy on November 06, 2021, 11:23:33 AM
If the Villa release Smith from his role, hopefully we won’t be considering anybody like Terry (untried as a manager) or Gerrard (manager in a Micky mouse league). If that were the case Purslow needs to go. For a club with the stature of Aston Villa we need to bring in a high profile successful manager already at another club like we did when we brought Ron Atkinson in from Sheff Wed. We need to make a statement appointment, someone who has the personality and skills to carry the team from day 1. There can be no messing about with someone who is only finding their feet in management. For me we need someone like Rodgers and if it means f-cking off Leicester for a second time, so be it. We need to show and Purslow needs to show that we mean business.Absolutely this. Don't get the clamour for Potter. People talk about statement signings in terms of players - I'd like a statement manager. Someone linked with the top jobs in the world (hence me being quite keen on the Ajax chap). Whoever it is, show them we can pump a good £100m in to the side over the summer (again), and a similar amount the following summer. Furnish their bank account with a big, fuck off pay cheque. But it has to be a top tier appointment, someone who has operated at Champions League level successfully.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 06, 2021, 11:36:16 AM
If the Villa release Smith from his role, hopefully we won’t be considering anybody like Terry (untried as a manager) or Gerrard (manager in a Micky mouse league). If that were the case Purslow needs to go. For a club with the stature of Aston Villa we need to bring in a high profile successful manager already at another club like we did when we brought Ron Atkinson in from Sheff Wed. We need to make a statement appointment, someone who has the personality and skills to carry the team from day 1. There can be no messing about with someone who is only finding their feet in management. For me we need someone like Rodgers and if it means f-cking off Leicester for a second time, so be it. We need to show and Purslow needs to show that we mean business.Absolutely this. Don't get the clamour for Potter. People talk about statement signings in terms of players - I'd like a statement manager. Someone linked with the top jobs in the world (hence me being quite keen on the Ajax chap). Whoever it is, show them we can pump a good £100m in to the side over the summer (again), and a similar amount the following summer. Furnish their bank account with a big, fuck off pay cheque. But it has to be a top tier appointment, someone who has operated at Champions League level successfully.
Perhaps Di Matteo fancies another go....
I do get what you're saying though.
Post by: Ads on November 06, 2021, 11:50:10 AM
Plays 442, organised. But a slow started and worked without pressure.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 06, 2021, 12:44:00 PM
It somewhat limits our options.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 06, 2021, 12:54:34 PM
Post by: Villan82 on November 06, 2021, 12:56:36 PM
We have gone from looking for someone to push for Europe to someone to keep us up.
It somewhat limits our options.
Yes, this is the point I tried to make last night. If we had moved a couple of games earlier, it would have looked different. But we have wasted two games in my opinion and are now a team right in the mire. Therefore, A Dyche makes more sense in that context than it would have a couple of weeks ago.
Post by: Steve67 on November 06, 2021, 12:57:45 PM
Post by: Villan82 on November 06, 2021, 01:00:51 PM
Post by: DB on November 06, 2021, 01:03:25 PM
Post by: Damo70 on November 06, 2021, 01:07:21 PM
F**k it, let’s get Simeone in. He must be bored at Athletico by now, new challenge etc.
He is the best manager in the world for me. I have no idea how much of a chance we would have of getting him
but I would love it if we tried to get him.
Post by: Clampy on November 06, 2021, 01:13:44 PM
Post by: Ads on November 06, 2021, 01:16:30 PM
We need organisation and some real structure and nouse. There's a really good squad here, £100m to spend, 40k every other week. Pressures and opportunities seldom found.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 06, 2021, 01:17:54 PM
Blimey, for the first time ever, we have owners who think nothing of spending £30m on a player and some fans like the idea of Sean Dyche?
Quite.
Post by: Villan82 on November 06, 2021, 01:19:42 PM
Post by: Monty on November 06, 2021, 01:24:53 PM
Post by: TonyD on November 06, 2021, 01:30:59 PM
Post by: Risso on November 06, 2021, 01:34:40 PM
Does Dyche cut his cloth accordingly or does he play that way out of choice. They can play good stuff, they ripped Everton to shreds last season.
We need organisation and some real structure and nouse. There's a really good squad here, £100m to spend, 40k every other week. Pressures and opportunities seldom found.
He wouldn't be my first choice, but at present Smith's presiding over the worst football in the Premier League. Our 'style' is punts out of defence and long throws from Cash. Smith makes Dyche look ike Guardiola.
Post by: Holte L2 on November 06, 2021, 01:35:25 PM
Post by: ozzjim on November 06, 2021, 01:38:01 PM
Post by: Ads on November 06, 2021, 01:39:33 PM
Does Dyche cut his cloth accordingly or does he play that way out of choice. They can play good stuff, they ripped Everton to shreds last season.
We need organisation and some real structure and nouse. There's a really good squad here, £100m to spend, 40k every other week. Pressures and opportunities seldom found.
He wouldn't be my first choice, but at present Smith's presiding over the worst football in the Premier League. Our 'style' is punts out of defence and long throws from Cash. Smith makes Dyche look ike Guardiola.
He wouldn't be mine either. I think I'm being wooed by the idea that if we could organise ourselves defensively we'd sort out 90% of our problems and climb the table.
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 06, 2021, 01:39:41 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 06, 2021, 01:40:23 PM
Its pointless keeping him for brighton game.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 06, 2021, 01:40:32 PM
Does Dyche cut his cloth accordingly or does he play that way out of choice. They can play good stuff, they ripped Everton to shreds last season.
We need organisation and some real structure and nouse. There's a really good squad here, £100m to spend, 40k every other week. Pressures and opportunities seldom found.
He wouldn't be my first choice, but at present Smith's presiding over the worst football in the Premier League. Our 'style' is punts out of defence and long throws from Cash. Smith makes Dyche look ike Guardiola.
He wouldn't be mine either. I think I'm being wooed by the idea that if we could organise ourselves defensively we'd sort out 90% of our problems and climb the table.
Our ability to keep the score down last season was a massive part of our success. Not only can we not do that this year, we are rarely capable of scoring one let alone more goals to draw games let alone win them.
Post by: Ads on November 06, 2021, 01:42:58 PM
McGinn cannot play his natural game without 2 behind him, as he gives it away too readily and it is always high up the pitch.
Post by: Clampy on November 06, 2021, 01:57:26 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 06, 2021, 01:59:01 PM
Post by: puppyfeat on November 06, 2021, 02:05:37 PM
F**k it, let’s get Simeone in. He must be bored at Athletico by now, new challenge etc.Sorry mate but the chances of us getting Simeone are about the same as your location: Absolute Zero. He is to Atletico what Fergie was to Utd - if not even more seeing as he played for them too. He’s a title winner and Champs Lg elite level manager and I’m afraid that’s not the pond Villa are fishing in.
Someone like Potter probably is about as good as we can hope for right now.
Post by: Big Ming on November 06, 2021, 02:07:19 PM
Post by: aev on November 06, 2021, 02:08:36 PM
I hate Dyche. I don't understand all the righteous indignation around divers and cheats and so on, when there's so much tolerance for managers who preside over 'styles' that wreck the careers of other professionals as Dyche and Pulis do. Should we ask Wesley if we should appoint him? The man's a violence-loving unprofessional smug backwards noxious ginger little gobshite and I don't want him within 1000 miles of VP.
Put you down as a maybe?
Post by: Monty on November 06, 2021, 02:08:53 PM
Should be able to pick up the baby faced assassin by Tuesday. Remember the clamour for him on here?
Ahh golden days. Some of us still have our Norwegian versions of our names.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 06, 2021, 02:29:50 PM
Should be able to pick up the baby faced assassin by Tuesday. Remember the clamour for him on here?
Ahh golden days. Some of us still have our Norwegian versions of our names.
FUCKING SHOOOOOOOOOOOOT
Post by: Drummond on November 06, 2021, 02:54:31 PM
Whoever it is, hope he has the balls to make a cheeky loan offer for that Grealish chap.
Fuck that.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 06, 2021, 03:01:47 PM
The Guardolia of Burnley has won 1 game so far this season.
Yes - exactly. We need to ambitious with our next appointment.
Post by: KevinGage on November 06, 2021, 03:08:24 PM
F**k it, let’s get Simeone in. He must be bored at Athletico by now, new challenge etc.
Yes. Would be the end of the collaborative approach with the players, but that's maybe no bad thing.
Gattuso could be a cheaper (and currently available) version of that.
Post by: Drummond on November 06, 2021, 03:14:29 PM
F**k it, let’s get Simeone in. He must be bored at Athletico by now, new challenge etc.
Yes. Would be the end of the collaborative approach with the players, but that's maybe no bad thing.
Gattuso could be a cheaper (and currently available) version of that.
He didn't get the Spurs job, despite extensive talks.
"Gattuso had a long reputation for hot-headedness dating back to his days as a player, and had made a number of distasteful remarks in the past about racism in Italy, the role of women in football, and gay marriage."
Not sure we'd want that either would we?
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 06, 2021, 03:18:30 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 06, 2021, 03:25:58 PM
"Gattuso had a long reputation for hot-headedness dating back to his days as a player, and had made a number of distasteful remarks in the past about racism in Italy, the role of women in football, and gay marriage."
Not sure we'd want that either would we?
Good point, Di Canio?
Post by: LukeJames on November 06, 2021, 03:33:29 PM
Post by: Alex77 on November 06, 2021, 04:09:08 PM
F**k it, let’s get Simeone in. He must be bored at Athletico by now, new challenge etc.
Yes. Would be the end of the collaborative approach with the players, but that's maybe no bad thing.
Gattuso could be a cheaper (and currently available) version of that.
He didn't get the Spurs job, despite extensive talks.
"Gattuso had a long reputation for hot-headedness dating back to his days as a player, and had made a number of distasteful remarks in the past about racism in Italy, the role of women in football, and gay marriage."
Not sure we'd want that either would we?
It would make the press conferences a damn sight more interesting!
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 06, 2021, 04:10:22 PM
Can we just appoint one of those pissed off looking Italian managers that smokes on the touchline?Cesar Luiz Menotti is still alive!
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 06, 2021, 04:11:33 PM
Can we just appoint one of those pissed off looking Italian managers that smokes on the touchline?
Any Italian manager that smokes would do, as he'd be bound to be pissed off looking within a game or two.
Post by: KevinGage on November 06, 2021, 04:15:20 PM
Can we just appoint one of those pissed off looking Italian managers that smokes on the touchline?
Any Italian manager that smokes would do, as he'd be bound to be pissed off looking within a game or two.
Lamberk looked like a resident of Skid Row by the end of his tenure with us, so Christ knows what we'd do to the Italian lads.
Post by: Steve67 on November 06, 2021, 04:37:39 PM
Post by: Risso on November 06, 2021, 04:42:23 PM
The Guardolia of Burnley has won 1 game so far this season.
Yes - exactly. We need to ambitious with our next appointment.
Yes, let's not steal Guardolia.
Post by: ozzjim on November 06, 2021, 05:02:33 PM
Ronald Koeman is available. Just saying.
Have we not discussed him. Please god no.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 06, 2021, 05:06:26 PM
Ronald Koeman is available. Just saying.
Have we not discussed him. Please god no.
Knows the premier league got Everton and Southampton into Europe, won trophies! Nah why would we want that. Give him an 18 month contract. We would not be relegated
Post by: ozzjim on November 06, 2021, 05:08:33 PM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 06, 2021, 05:13:10 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 06, 2021, 05:27:56 PM
Post by: BC Villain on November 06, 2021, 05:32:40 PM
Koeman would be a meh appointment. I mean better than Gerrard but not the sit up and take notice of Aston Villa choice I'm looking for.
There's always Neil Warnock......
Post by: pooligan on November 06, 2021, 05:38:10 PM
Post by: LeonW on November 06, 2021, 05:38:25 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 06, 2021, 05:40:27 PM
Roberto Mancini for me. A serial winner, tactically astute, plays attacking 4-3-3. May be more gettable then thought as although he’s coaching his country, the Premier League is quite addictive for managers. He only went to Italy after a poor spell with Zenit I think it was.
I like this.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 06, 2021, 05:42:36 PM
Roberto Mancini for me. A serial winner, tactically astute, plays attacking 4-3-3. May be more gettable then thought as although he’s coaching his country, the Premier League is quite addictive for managers. He only went to Italy after a poor spell with Zenit I think it was.
Yes agree
Post by: ozzjim on November 06, 2021, 05:46:41 PM
Post by: LeonW on November 06, 2021, 05:48:40 PM
Mancini will never come. Love it if he did though.
One thing’s for definite; we’ll learn an awful lot more about our owners when they appoint their next manager at whatever point they do.
Post by: ozzjim on November 06, 2021, 05:51:21 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 06, 2021, 05:53:39 PM
Koeman would be a meh appointment. I mean better than Gerrard but not the sit up and take notice of Aston Villa choice I'm looking for.
There's always Neil Warnock......
I'd take him before Koeman.
Post by: KevinGage on November 06, 2021, 05:57:46 PM
He went to the amazing Turkish league with Galatasary after the Citeh gig, and - as the poster said above - was happy to take Zenit's roubles before the Italy job.
A bigger issue might be how much control an appointment like that would have over transfers and how much ground they'd be prepared to cede to Lange. The bigger the name, the less likely they are to play ball in that regard.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 06, 2021, 06:03:07 PM
Roberto Mancini for me. A serial winner, tactically astute, plays attacking 4-3-3. May be more gettable then thought as although he’s coaching his country, the Premier League is quite addictive for managers. He only went to Italy after a poor spell with Zenit I think it was.
Come on, now.
Post by: Richard E on November 06, 2021, 06:05:15 PM
Post by: LeonW on November 06, 2021, 06:07:14 PM
Roberto Mancini for me. A serial winner, tactically astute, plays attacking 4-3-3. May be more gettable then thought as although he’s coaching his country, the Premier League is quite addictive for managers. He only went to Italy after a poor spell with Zenit I think it was.
Come on, now.
Not a fan?
Post by: Richard E on November 06, 2021, 06:08:21 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 06, 2021, 06:09:44 PM
Of all the suggestions it feel the right balance of fanciful ambition yet within reach, plus a good fit with our squad.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 06, 2021, 07:02:54 PM
The chances of getting the manager of European Champions Italy a year out from the World Cup are somewhere between nought and zero.
I'd rather try for the Danish guy. That's far more realistic although he struggled when he managed in Bundesliga.
Still if Lange is this super DOF he'll be working behind the scenes to gauge interest.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 06, 2021, 07:45:13 PM
His two seasons at Southampton they finished 7th and 6th. They did recruit amazingly well in those years so could just be good timing but still very good seasons.
Then at Everton he finished 7th (15 points clear of 8th) which was pretty good as previous two seasons under Martinez they'd finished bottom half.
They then did exactly what we did in 2015, sold their top Belgian striker and used the money to replace him with endless defenders and midfielders. Poor start and he was gone.
He then went to Holland who'd stopped qualifying for tournaments and got some good results with them.
Even at Barca they could've easily won La Liga last year. This year was always a hiding to nothing season with them having the trauma of no Messi.
His record in last decade is actually pretty strong and might just be the right fit for type of manager to raise our profile worldwide a bit more and attract in higher standard of players from abroad.
Perhaps it would be seen as gamble but I'd be o.k with it if he's motivated enough still. He was on about just going to play Golf if Barca sacked him so perhaps he isn't bothered about management now.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 06, 2021, 07:52:09 PM
Roberto Mancini for me. A serial winner, tactically astute, plays attacking 4-3-3. May be more gettable then thought as although he’s coaching his country, the Premier League is quite addictive for managers. He only went to Italy after a poor spell with Zenit I think it was.
Come on, now.
Not a fan?
We ain't getting him, mate.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 06, 2021, 07:52:10 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 06, 2021, 07:53:32 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 06, 2021, 07:54:26 PM
Didn't he get sacked by Palace after about three games?
De Boer.
Post by: LeeB on November 06, 2021, 07:54:39 PM
Didn't he get sacked by Palace after about three games?
That was your man De Boer.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 06, 2021, 07:55:02 PM
I’d happily take Koeman tomorrow. That he got fired from that fucking dumpster fire in Barcelona should never be held against him.
Dumpster = Skip in English
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 06, 2021, 07:55:48 PM
Post by: olaftab on November 06, 2021, 07:56:50 PM
The chances of getting the manager of European Champions Italy a year out from the World Cup are somewhere between nought and zero.I disagree. I would say somewhere between 0 and -1.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 06, 2021, 08:37:35 PM
Didn't he get sacked by Palace after about three games?
That was your man De Boer.
Oh FFS. Close enough!
Post by: BC Villain on November 06, 2021, 08:37:49 PM
Dyche plays horrible football.
Yes, because we look like Brazil 1970 at the moment.....
Post by: Alex77 on November 06, 2021, 08:43:15 PM
Dyche plays horrible football.
Yes, because we look like Brazil 1970 at the moment.....
On a random side note, I used to know a chap that owned Rivellino's 1970 World Cup winning shirt!
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 06, 2021, 08:45:53 PM
Dyche plays horrible football.
Yes, because we look like Brazil 1970 at the moment.....
On a random side note, I used to know a chap that owned Rivellino's 1970 World Cup winning shirt!
Roberto Rivellino (or Bob to his mates) by any chance?
Post by: Alex77 on November 06, 2021, 08:52:39 PM
Dyche plays horrible football.
Yes, because we look like Brazil 1970 at the moment.....
On a random side note, I used to know a chap that owned Rivellino's 1970 World Cup winning shirt!
Roberto Rivellino (or Bob to his mates) by any chance?
It was left to him. He also had a 1966 winners medal. His uncle was a coach for Leeds and England during that time. Apparently the staff also got medals along with the team.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 06, 2021, 08:57:27 PM
Post by: LeonW on November 06, 2021, 09:06:24 PM
Roberto Mancini for me. A serial winner, tactically astute, plays attacking 4-3-3. May be more gettable then thought as although he’s coaching his country, the Premier League is quite addictive for managers. He only went to Italy after a poor spell with Zenit I think it was.
Come on, now.
Not a fan?
We ain't getting him, mate.
I agree it’s unlikely but this is football after all. If our owners are as serious about achieving champions league football as indicated, they’ll demonstrate it.
Post by: LukeJames on November 06, 2021, 09:07:52 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on November 06, 2021, 09:08:09 PM
And Brighton haven't won in the last 6 either. I don't know who I want. Someone foreign and exciting who I know fuck all about.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 06, 2021, 09:18:09 PM
Post by: Steve67 on November 06, 2021, 09:33:24 PM
Dyche plays horrible football.
Yes, because we look like Brazil 1970 at the moment.....
Two sides of the same coin. Let's punt higher that what we already have. Those who were mentioning Farke earlier might get their wish.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on November 06, 2021, 09:48:59 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 06, 2021, 09:51:25 PM
Have some of you been smoking crack? I have but Sean fucking Dyche?! Seriously, I understand the need for change, but Sean Dyche? Not all change is good change. And I say that as somebody who's technically homeless.
Spot on.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 06, 2021, 09:51:44 PM
i reckon that sooner rather than later, the current Coventry manager Mark Robins will be manager at a premier league team.
Yep, Coventry I hope.
only joking
Post by: john e on November 06, 2021, 09:53:50 PM
Dyche is a dinosaur, 4-4-fucking-2.
And Brighton haven't won in the last 6 either. I don't know who I want. Someone foreign and exciting who I know fuck all about.
We’ve been linked with Kasper Hjulmand He fits that Criteria
Post by: ROBBO on November 06, 2021, 09:54:02 PM
Post by: ozzjim on November 06, 2021, 09:57:56 PM
Dyche is a dinosaur, 4-4-fucking-2.
And Brighton haven't won in the last 6 either. I don't know who I want. Someone foreign and exciting who I know fuck all about.
We’ve been linked with Kasper Hjulmand He fits that Criteria
Was also part of the coaching set up with Frank and Lange at Lyngby.
Post by: nodge on November 06, 2021, 10:07:22 PM
i reckon that sooner rather than later, the current Coventry manager Mark Robins will be manager at a premier league team.
Probably Norwich
Post by: Steve67 on November 06, 2021, 10:16:56 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on November 06, 2021, 10:17:29 PM
Not sure about Potter.
Actually think Terry will make a good manager.
Not sure about Fonseca.
Think we should go for Hassenhutti but would also be pleased with Koeman who is a good manager.
Post by: ozzjim on November 06, 2021, 10:18:43 PM
i reckon that sooner rather than later, the current Coventry manager Mark Robins will be manager at a premier league team.
Probably Norwich
Isn't Wilder already in the door there?
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 06, 2021, 10:20:01 PM
Will Norwich go for Nuno?
Not enough fingers.
Post by: Steve67 on November 06, 2021, 10:21:40 PM
i reckon that sooner rather than later, the current Coventry manager Mark Robins will be manager at a premier league team.
Probably Norwich
Isn't Wilder already in the door there?
Going to Middlesbrough apparently. Wilder that is. Alan Nixon linking us to the Denmark Manager.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 06, 2021, 10:26:07 PM
Post by: ldavfc4eva on November 06, 2021, 10:32:13 PM
Koeman meh and not sure he would do much to be honest,
Don’t see what Potter is all about either,
If the owners are serious about Europe then to me it’s time to appoint someone with pedigree if and when Dean leaves.
Post by: Villan82 on November 06, 2021, 10:34:57 PM
Post by: ldavfc4eva on November 06, 2021, 10:38:19 PM
Post by: The_ads on November 06, 2021, 10:55:33 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 06, 2021, 10:58:28 PM
Yeah, but we find ourselves in a relegations crap and we need to make sure we get out of it before we start thinking of Europe.
It’s not like it’s March. There’s plenty of time we can get a better long-term prospect in and be miles away from relegation.
Post by: Villan82 on November 06, 2021, 11:02:21 PM
Yeah, but we find ourselves in a relegations crap and we need to make sure we get out of it before we start thinking of Europe.
It’s not like it’s March. There’s plenty of time we can get a better long-term prospect in and be miles away from relegation.
Indeed, but the more games they give Smith the more it gets to that point. As a minimum I like to see us average at least a point a game. If Smith gets the next two fixtures, we then have to play some of the top four, and we could be well below the point a game average.
I think the earlier we act the less of gamble a new appointment will be.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 06, 2021, 11:16:33 PM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 07, 2021, 04:59:15 AM
Dyche is a dinosaur, 4-4-fucking-2.
And Brighton haven't won in the last 6 either. I don't know who I want. Someone foreign and exciting who I know fuck all about.
We’ve been linked with Kasper Hjulmand He fits that Criteria
Surely he fails on the 'exciting' bit? One material appointment and he didn't even last the season.
No thanks.
Post by: ozzjim on November 07, 2021, 07:24:13 AM
Post by: andyh on November 07, 2021, 08:09:41 AM
No it’s not March.Yeah, but we find ourselves in a relegations crap and we need to make sure we get out of it before we start thinking of Europe.
It’s not like it’s March. There’s plenty of time we can get a better long-term prospect in and be miles away from relegation.
But there are only 2 more games before we hit a very busy and incredibly tough December.
We have got to get away from those lower places in the league before we are entrenched down there and we all know happens then.
If the club is going to act, they have to do it now.
Post by: KevinGage on November 07, 2021, 08:46:43 AM
John Terry. Meh.
Graham Potter Brighton under contract until 2025
Steve Gerrard. No thanks
Frank Lampard. FRO
Nuno Espirito Santo
Roy Hodgson
Brendan Rodgers Leicester under contract until 2025
Jesse Marsch RB Leipzig under contract until 2023
Bo Svensson Mainz under contract until 2025
Lucian Favre out of contract
Christophe Galtier OGC Nice under contract until 2024
Vladimir Petkovic Bordeaux under contract until 2024
Peter Bosz Lyon under contract until 2023
Gian Piero Gasperini Atlanta under contract until 2022
Maurizo Sarri Lazio under contract until 2023
Luciano Spalletti Napoli under contract until 2023
Gennaro Gattuso out of contract
Unai Emery Villareal under contract until 2023
Manuel Pellegrini Real Betis under contract until 2023
Ronald Koeman out of contract
International managers
Roberto Mancini Italy
Kasper Hjulmand Denmark
Post by: KevinGage on November 07, 2021, 08:47:28 AM
The Danish lad that Reluctant Niko has linked has an underwhelming record at club level to say the least. But Nixon gets far more wrong than he gets right, so no major worries on that score.
Bosz at Lyon could be an interesting choice. A Cruyff disciple apparently (yes please). But dodgy defensively. Same as it ever was.
Terry would be an obvious link based on recent history. But there’s a certain amount of bollocksology floating around suggesting that won’t happen. He advised Girlish to leave, according to the twittersphere. Him and ROK. And Sawiris personally intervened to off them both. It would explain the shite timing of their departures if nothing else.
Out of all that lot, Rodgers and Mancini are the only vaguely realistic ones that if we got either now - or in the summer - would be seen as a major coup.
Post by: Luke8 on November 07, 2021, 09:03:33 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on November 07, 2021, 09:14:14 AM
As much as i think Dean should go if all we can replace him with is managers like Dyche then why bother.That's not all we can replace him with. We'll have our choice of literally hundreds of managers. There are people who are paid a hell of a lot more than us to work out who that should be, but the pool is a lot bigger than Dyce & Potter.
Post by: ozzjim on November 07, 2021, 09:15:19 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on November 07, 2021, 09:18:36 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 07, 2021, 09:25:59 AM
It’ll be someone not in work now.
Post by: London Villan on November 07, 2021, 09:33:52 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on November 07, 2021, 10:02:00 AM
Mancini a year before taking Italy to a world cup they have a realistic chance of winning, seems Geordiesque in its delusion.Of course it won't be Mancini. But a club with our potential should not be accepting we can only get someone out of work at the moment.
It’ll be someone not in work now.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 07, 2021, 10:02:33 AM
Terry would be an obvious link based on recent history. But there’s a certain amount of bollocksology floating around suggesting that won’t happen. He advised Girlish to leave, according to the twittersphere. Him and ROK. And Sawiris personally intervened to off them both. It would explain the shite timing of their departures if nothing else.
It would explain those departures but who's making those claims? Are they credible?
Post by: Small Rodent on November 07, 2021, 10:23:35 AM
Think it’s highly unlikely that either Rogers or Mancini leave their current jobs to come here.
Did Rogers and Mancini write The Sound of Music?
Post by: TonyD on November 07, 2021, 10:36:07 AM
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 07, 2021, 10:55:58 AM
Post by: nigel on November 07, 2021, 11:08:51 AM
Post by: ozzjim on November 07, 2021, 11:12:51 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 07, 2021, 11:14:31 AM
Dyche is a dinosaur, 4-4-fucking-2.
And Brighton haven't won in the last 6 either. I don't know who I want. Someone foreign and exciting who I know fuck all about.
We’ve been linked with Kasper Hjulmand He fits that Criteria
Surely he fails on the 'exciting' bit? One material appointment and he didn't even last the season.
No thanks.
Have you seen Denmark play recently, some of the best football played in europe at international football and they've handled loss of Eriksen with ease.
I agree his record wasn't great at all at Mainz but you'd assume Southgate and Martinez will both get decent clubs once they go back into that scene and neither were any great shakes at that level previously.
Post by: Mister E on November 07, 2021, 11:17:49 AM
I think I'd be looking to take a bit of a risk with someone like Hjulmand or Bo Svensson.Have you seen Denmark play recently, some of the best football played in europe at international football and they've handled loss of Eriksen with ease.Surely he fails on the 'exciting' bit? One material appointment and he didn't even last the season.Dyche is a dinosaur, 4-4-fucking-2.
And Brighton haven't won in the last 6 either. I don't know who I want. Someone foreign and exciting who I know fuck all about.
We’ve been linked with Kasper Hjulmand He fits that Criteria
No thanks.
I agree his record wasn't great at all at Mainz but you'd assume Southgate and Martinez will both get decent clubs once they go back into that scene and neither were any great shakes at that level previously.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 07, 2021, 11:18:10 AM
The criteria will be around who is currently out of work and who would see us as a step up from where they currently are. That rules out a lot a good managers.
Why wouldn't we pay to get someone out of contract mid season? Newcastle had basically agreed to do that with Emery before he changed his mind last minute, Leicester did it with Rodgers and we of course did it with Brentford and DS.
This just smacks of us still being scarred by Lerner mentality when picking managers I think (and even then we got Lambert when under contract at Norwich).
Obviously we're not going to poach anyone managing at CL or europa level but plenty of good managers doing jobs in europe leagues who'd fancy coming here if approached. And domestically Graham Potter is obvious one we could tempt.
Post by: nigel on November 07, 2021, 11:18:41 AM
Farke is a really strange one. Unplayable in the championship and not too unlike Rodgers in the way his side play, but awful in the prem.
I suppose in his defence, regarding the prem, he always has his better players sold and never replaced.
Post by: wince on November 07, 2021, 11:22:14 AM
Can we just get a manager who is the real deal as well?
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 07, 2021, 11:22:22 AM
Farke is a really strange one. Unplayable in the championship and not too unlike Rodgers in the way his side play, but awful in the prem.
I suppose in his defence, regarding the prem, he always has his better players sold and never replaced.
Optics of appointing someone who can barely win a game at prem level wouldn't look good.
I actually think Ralph Hassenhuttl would be a good fit for us, I mentioned him a few weeks back and his name gets odd mention.
He has CL experience with Leipzig (got them to 2nd in 16/17 season) and Southampton are picking up now (although he does like his long winless run as much as DS).
I'm always impressed by how they play v us and think that's the style of manager this squad needs, would certainly know how to get more out of Danny Ings.
He's one I'd approach and see what the mood is as Southampton will probably lose form soon and he'll be under pressure again so might feel he's done all he can there.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 07, 2021, 12:28:19 PM
Post by: john e on November 07, 2021, 12:46:56 PM
If I was the CEO I’d approach Wenger, I don’t care how long he’s been out of the game he is a master tactician And a bloody good football manager
Bring him in on a long-term 3/4 year With the proviso that he has a younger man next to him who he can groom to take over
I think he would be up for a project And at 72 you’re only as young as you feel the President of the United States is older than that
Anyway that’s what I would do
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 07, 2021, 12:52:31 PM
Dyche is a dinosaur, 4-4-fucking-2.
And Brighton haven't won in the last 6 either. I don't know who I want. Someone foreign and exciting who I know fuck all about.
We’ve been linked with Kasper Hjulmand He fits that Criteria
Surely he fails on the 'exciting' bit? One material appointment and he didn't even last the season.
No thanks.
Have you seen Denmark play recently, some of the best football played in europe at international football and they've handled loss of Eriksen with ease.
I agree his record wasn't great at all at Mainz but you'd assume Southgate and Martinez will both get decent clubs once they go back into that scene and neither were any great shakes at that level previously.
I have. International football is different and you say so yourself. Southgate and Martinez are just further examples of how different it is.
Post by: ozzjim on November 07, 2021, 12:52:43 PM
Post by: ozzjim on November 07, 2021, 12:54:19 PM
Dyche is a dinosaur, 4-4-fucking-2.
And Brighton haven't won in the last 6 either. I don't know who I want. Someone foreign and exciting who I know fuck all about.
We’ve been linked with Kasper Hjulmand He fits that Criteria
Surely he fails on the 'exciting' bit? One material appointment and he didn't even last the season.
No thanks.
Have you seen Denmark play recently, some of the best football played in europe at international football and they've handled loss of Eriksen with ease.
I agree his record wasn't great at all at Mainz but you'd assume Southgate and Martinez will both get decent clubs once they go back into that scene and neither were any great shakes at that level previously.
I have. International football is different and you say so yourself. Southgate and Martinez are just further examples of how different it is.
Both are abject failures. Southgate has had the 2 easiest draws an international competition will ever see and not seen the job through, while Martinez has wasted the most talented international squad in the world over the last ten years. Neither deserve a top club job.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 12:59:56 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 01:01:45 PM
Dyche is a dinosaur, 4-4-fucking-2.
And Brighton haven't won in the last 6 either. I don't know who I want. Someone foreign and exciting who I know fuck all about.
We’ve been linked with Kasper Hjulmand He fits that Criteria
Surely he fails on the 'exciting' bit? One material appointment and he didn't even last the season.
No thanks.
Have you seen Denmark play recently, some of the best football played in europe at international football and they've handled loss of Eriksen with ease.
I agree his record wasn't great at all at Mainz but you'd assume Southgate and Martinez will both get decent clubs once they go back into that scene and neither were any great shakes at that level previously.
I have. International football is different and you say so yourself. Southgate and Martinez are just further examples of how different it is.
Don't disagree but not sure Martinez has done well with Belgium. Zero trophies, zero finals. You put most of us in charge of the players he has at his disposal and we would be able to get to the odd semi-final.
Edit: I see Ozzjim has already made the same point.
Post by: frank black on November 07, 2021, 01:10:12 PM
Dyche is a dinosaur, 4-4-fucking-2.
And Brighton haven't won in the last 6 either. I don't know who I want. Someone foreign and exciting who I know fuck all about.
We’ve been linked with Kasper Hjulmand He fits that Criteria
Surely he fails on the 'exciting' bit? One material appointment and he didn't even last the season.
No thanks.
Have you seen Denmark play recently, some of the best football played in europe at international football and they've handled loss of Eriksen with ease.
I agree his record wasn't great at all at Mainz but you'd assume Southgate and Martinez will both get decent clubs once they go back into that scene and neither were any great shakes at that level previously.
I have. International football is different and you say so yourself. Southgate and Martinez are just further examples of how different it is.
Both are abject failures. Southgate has had the 2 easiest draws an international competition will ever see and not seen the job through, while Martinez has wasted the most talented international squad in the world over the last ten years. Neither deserve a top club job.
Agreed
Post by: villa for life on November 07, 2021, 01:10:53 PM
However, I think the longer we wait, the more likely it’ll end up being a short term/save us and get us out of this mess kind of appointment, which I still think is preferable to appointing a meh type of candidate on a long contract now.
If and when we do drop into the bottom three, I think that’ll really focus people’s minds and finding a manager to keep us up will become more of a priority than one who is chosen based on a long term project.
Post by: Matt C on November 07, 2021, 01:41:46 PM
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Post by: PaulWinch again on November 07, 2021, 01:52:52 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 07, 2021, 01:54:37 PM
No dream team managers - Terry & Fwank double act
No dinosaurs - Allardyce, Bruce, Pullis genre
Nas and Co need to get this one bang on the money.
Post by: john e on November 07, 2021, 01:59:30 PM
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Post by: sickbeggar on November 07, 2021, 02:04:33 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 07, 2021, 02:05:16 PM
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Post by: KNVillan on November 07, 2021, 02:07:20 PM
Percy linking us to Gerrard and Hasenhuttl
https://twitter.com/telefootball/status/1457347239211409412?s=21
Aston Villa have parted company with manager Dean Smith.
The Telegraph can reveal that the club are looking at an appointment of Steven Gerrard and Ralph Hasenhuttl among others. The current Rangers and Southampton managers are high on the Villa wishlist as they seek to make an appointment before the Premier League resumes the weekend after next.
Smith was told of the decision by the club’s owners Nassef Sawiris, an Egyptian national, and American Wes Edens and chief executive Christian Purslow. The defeat to Hasenhuttl’s Southampton on Friday night was the fifth consecutive defeat of a season that has so far seen Villa thrust into a relegation fight despite major owner investment.
The ownership group as well as Danish sporting director Johan Lange met on Saturday night to discuss options. Lange is known to be an admirer of fellow Danes Kasper Hjulmand, the Denmark manager, and Brentford manager Thomas Frank. Paulo Fonseca is another candidate who is currently unattached.
Edens is based in the Midwest US state of Wyoming. Sawiris is based primarily in London.
Gerrard has a contract with Rangers until the summer of 2024 and is considered a major asset by the club. He has a connection from Purslow from their days at Liverpool together.
Hasenhuttl’s bond with Southampton is strong. The club’s chief executive Martin Semmens has stood by his manager through some tough periods including two 9-0 defeats and been rewarded for his loyalty with Premier League survival and stability this season so far. Nevertheless, Saints will not progress until they can find an owner to buy out Gao Jisheng.
Villa head into a critical period after the international break. Currently 13th on ten points they play Brighton at home a week on Saturday; Crystal Palace away and then Manchester City and Leicester City at home.
Post by: Lescottstweets on November 07, 2021, 02:07:30 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 07, 2021, 02:07:31 PM
Percy linking us to Gerrard and Hasenhuttl
A big no to Slippy G.
Hasenhuttl is a strange one, Saints fans were looking to get rid of him a few weeks back.
Post by: martin o`who?? on November 07, 2021, 02:14:12 PM
Post by: Bobby Boy on November 07, 2021, 02:17:29 PM
Percy linking us to Gerrard and Hasenhuttl
A big no to Slippy G.
Hasenhuttl is a strange one, Saints fans were looking to get rid of him a few weeks back.
We'd only ever be a stepping stone for Gerrard before he gets the Liverpool job.
No ta.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 02:18:58 PM
Post by: john e on November 07, 2021, 02:20:00 PM
Percy linking us to Gerrard and Hasenhuttl
A big no to Slippy G.
Hasenhuttl is a strange one, Saints fans were looking to get rid of him a few weeks back.
We'd only ever be a stepping stone for Gerrard before he gets the Liverpool job.
No ta.
He’d only get the Liverpool job if he was a success with us though so it’s a win-win really
Not that I want him just saying that’s not a negative for me
Post by: andyh on November 07, 2021, 02:20:54 PM
I don’t get the hate for Steven Gerrard. He’s done very well in Scotland. I don’t know if he’s yet ready for PL football, and personally I hope right now we aim much higher and established in Europe. But at some point he will get a chance at this level and I think he’ll do well.Probably,maybe, but I don’t think we should to be the guinea pig club to find out.
Post by: Chris Smith on November 07, 2021, 02:21:09 PM
I don’t get the hate for Steven Gerrard. He’s done very well in Scotland. I don’t know if he’s yet ready for PL football, and personally I hope right now we aim much higher and established in Europe. But at some point he will get a chance at this level and I think he’ll do well.
Remember Houllier at Anfield, I reckon with him it’ll 10 times as bad.
Post by: The_ads on November 07, 2021, 02:21:19 PM
Post by: The_ads on November 07, 2021, 02:22:31 PM
I don’t get the hate for Steven Gerrard. He’s done very well in Scotland. I don’t know if he’s yet ready for PL football, and personally I hope right now we aim much higher and established in Europe. But at some point he will get a chance at this level and I think he’ll do well.
Remember Houllier at Anfield, I reckon with him it’ll 10 times as bad.
Do you think if Pep went back to Barcelona in the Champs league tomorrow he wouldn’t be absolutely lauded?
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 02:22:33 PM
I don’t get the hate for Steven Gerrard. He’s done very well in Scotland. I don’t know if he’s yet ready for PL football, and personally I hope right now we aim much higher and established in Europe. But at some point he will get a chance at this level and I think he’ll do well.
Remember Houllier at Anfield, I reckon with him it’ll 10 times as bad.
Oh there will be that. Forever. That’s the Sky vomit bit that’s unavoidable wherever he ends up.
Post by: wolfman999 on November 07, 2021, 02:22:43 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on November 07, 2021, 02:23:18 PM
Percy linking us to Gerrard and Hasenhuttl
A big no to Slippy G.
Hasenhuttl is a strange one, Saints fans were looking to get rid of him a few weeks back.
We'd only ever be a stepping stone for Gerrard before he gets the Liverpool job.
No ta.
Not advocating his appointment at all, but have a sneaking suspicion it could be him, especially given the links with Purslow. It would be the next step up in terms of career for him and on the face of it, is a pretty attractive job.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 07, 2021, 02:24:45 PM
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on November 07, 2021, 02:24:56 PM
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2021, 02:26:12 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 07, 2021, 02:26:16 PM
Post by: Small Rodent on November 07, 2021, 02:27:16 PM
I admit I haven't read all through the thread but my choice would be Graham Potter of Brighton who seems to be in the Dean Smith mould. Unfortunately, I suspect we will end upwith some foreign chancer using us as a stepping stone to bigger things. Who knows..
You’d prefer an English chancer?
Post by: PhilVill on November 07, 2021, 02:27:53 PM
Post by: Small Rodent on November 07, 2021, 02:28:42 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 02:28:48 PM
The fact they're even thinking about Gerrard is a genuinely terrible sign.
But why shouldn’t they “think” about him. What makes him so bad he shouldn’t even be considered? Like most I hope it is someone way more qualified, successful and attainable. But why is it a terrible sign?
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 07, 2021, 02:29:23 PM
Post by: The Man With A Stick on November 07, 2021, 02:29:41 PM
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2021, 02:30:15 PM
Post by: SheffieldVillain on November 07, 2021, 02:31:31 PM
Whoever we appoint, one of the criteria should be that it is someone who can develop and bring through our young players, not just bring in endless squad players who block their path.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 07, 2021, 02:31:42 PM
He has not done wonders with Rangers, he's done alright in a league even more tactically behind than when it was being dominated by Alex McLeish. It would be a pathetic, star-struck celebrity appointment.
yep.
Post by: KevinGage on November 07, 2021, 02:32:54 PM
The fact they're even thinking about Gerrard is a genuinely terrible sign.
There was loose talk of Thierry Henry getting the gig when NSWE Took over and again shortly after Bruce was potted, and it came to nowt. Hopefully a distraction for the press whilst the real choice gets sorted.
Post by: wolfman999 on November 07, 2021, 02:35:58 PM
I admit I haven't read all through the thread but my choice would be Graham Potter of Brighton who seems to be in the Dean Smith mould. Unfortunately, I suspect we will end upwith some foreign chancer using us as a stepping stone to bigger things. Who knows..
You’d prefer an English chancer?
You always know where you are with an English chancer😁
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 02:36:15 PM
Personally, I would have no problem with Stevie G. Has done wonders with Rangers (although he has been helped with Celtic going backwards) and is a born winner. I think after managing Rangers for three years he is ready for the Premier League
He is no more a "born winner" than Bruce, Di Matteo, McLeish or any of the other people we have appointed who had successful playing careers. Being a good player is no guarantee of being a good manager.
He hasn't "worked wonders" at "Rangers". He has spent (by Scottish standards) a fortune and won one out of three league titles, zero cups and zero league cups. The St Johnstone manager has won more in one season and nobody would be suggesting him as a viable candidate.
Appointing Gerrard would be fanwankery of the most servile kind.
Apologies that I keep making this same point and probably will do in the coming days but I really, really don't want that prick as Villa manager.
Post by: Villan For Life on November 07, 2021, 02:36:55 PM
Just no to Slippy G, Lampard, Terry or Nuno please although I suspect we will soon become John Terry’s Aston Villa.
Post by: PhilVill on November 07, 2021, 02:40:41 PM
Post by: Skerra on November 07, 2021, 02:40:51 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 07, 2021, 02:41:27 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on November 07, 2021, 02:41:50 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 02:43:09 PM
Well, can safely say that's me told! 😅
Sorry, I didn't mean it to sound like I was having a go at you, I just don't like him. 🙂
Post by: Flin5tone on November 07, 2021, 02:43:11 PM
Post by: The Man With A Stick on November 07, 2021, 02:44:01 PM
A big, fat "NO" to anyone with Old Firm connections, we should have learnt our lesson by now.
Post by: gpbarr on November 07, 2021, 02:44:21 PM
This is a huge moment for the owners. They cannot afford to go short term - and they cannot afford to give the job to a novice - if their ambitions are truly as they have said, now is the time to dig deep and bring in a manager who plays the right football, and has genuine European league experience.
Dyche, Terry, Howe, Lampard - please NO. Not saying they are not good managers but none of them tick the box based on the owners ambitions.
You have to believe they are close to an appointment given Purslow's comments.
Post by: Villan For Life on November 07, 2021, 02:45:00 PM
Roy Hodgson is the stand out candidate to see us through until the summer. Safe pair of hands who will be respected by the players. Solid job at Crystal Palace and has a great CV
He’d keep us right on to the end of the road.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 07, 2021, 02:45:02 PM
Roy Hodgson is the stand out candidate to see us through until the summer. Safe pair of hands who will be respected by the players. Solid job at Crystal Palace and has a great CV
Only issue with that is we'd then be looking for another manager next summer as whatever way it's spun a manager coming up to his mid 70s now is no way a long term option.
I'd rather just get one in now who's more than capable of pushing us back into mid table pack and he also has six months to assess squad instead of having to do all that next summer which we'd have to do in that scenario.
Post by: PhilVill on November 07, 2021, 02:45:12 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 07, 2021, 02:47:53 PM
Roy Hodgson is the stand out candidate to see us through until the summer. Safe pair of hands who will be respected by the players. Solid job at Crystal Palace and has a great CV
It might be a good idea if you took some time away from here. About a hundeed years should be enough.
Post by: Rudy65 on November 07, 2021, 02:48:26 PM
I don’t get the hate for Steven Gerrard. He’s done very well in Scotland. I don’t know if he’s yet ready for PL football, and personally I hope right now we aim much higher and established in Europe. But at some point he will get a chance at this level and I think he’ll do well.
Remember Houllier at Anfield, I reckon with him it’ll 10 times as bad.
It was the reaction of Houllier lording it that peed everyone else. Gerrard would be a bit more professional
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 02:49:29 PM
Roy Hodgson is the stand out candidate to see us through until the summer. Safe pair of hands who will be respected by the players. Solid job at Crystal Palace and has a great CV
It might be a good idea if you tok some time away from here. About a hundeed years should be enough.
FFS, he'll still be back in time to find a reason to criticise our next FA Cup triumph, then.
Post by: Rigadon on November 07, 2021, 02:50:08 PM
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Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 02:52:24 PM
Post by: lovejoy on November 07, 2021, 02:53:26 PM
A rehash of McLeish.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 02:54:04 PM
How's Mellberg doing in Sweden?
Left his last job and hasn't been back since. Not sure if he has another career because sure someone over there would have offered him work otherwise. Anyway, not sure if a serious suggestion but he would be another big, inexperienced, NO for me.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 07, 2021, 02:55:14 PM
Hasenhuttl would be underwhelming for me. Not exactly brilliant with Southampton and a few really terrible beatings in there too. Not familiar enough with his time in Germany to state whether he has sufficient promise.
He finished 2nd with Leipzig (ahead of Dortmund) so did o.k there.
Have to be honest Ings looked way better at Southampton than he has for us so far so that would be another plus for me.
I think he's a good manager tbh but yes up and down form at Southampton is something you can't just dismiss. They have this season taken 3 wins and a draw from last 4 games and got draws off both Manchester clubs so in little danger of going down.
Probably means it's certain Ward Prowse will end up here next summer aswell.
Post by: Rudy65 on November 07, 2021, 02:55:20 PM
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Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 02:57:01 PM
I think Nuno would be a decent shout. He built the best Wolves side since the 70s and they only stopped progressing when he lost Jota and then Jimenez. His teams are well organised and very good on the break, which would suit us I think. He was set up to fail at Spurs.
So a manager that does well until his main player gets injured then falls apart? Hmmm... what about that bloke Dean Smith?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 07, 2021, 02:57:09 PM
I don’t get the hate for Steven Gerrard. He’s done very well in Scotland. I don’t know if he’s yet ready for PL football, and personally I hope right now we aim much higher and established in Europe. But at some point he will get a chance at this level and I think he’ll do well.
Remember Houllier at Anfield, I reckon with him it’ll 10 times as bad.
Absolutely agree. It’d be a starfucking appointment, and being seen as Gerrard’s apprenticeship for the Liverpool job would hopefully be enough to stop him getting the role.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 02:57:30 PM
Christophe Galtier for me still.
A sensible suggestion at last. Well done.
Post by: DeKuip on November 07, 2021, 02:57:43 PM
After Brighton won at Villa park last season they picked up five points from the next 27 and dropped to 17th place with players making some ridiculous errors. Potter, like Smith, is a very good manager.
I’m really pissed of with my club today.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 02:58:25 PM
Hasenhuttl would be underwhelming for me. Not exactly brilliant with Southampton and a few really terrible beatings in there too. Not familiar enough with his time in Germany to state whether he has sufficient promise.
He finished 2nd with Leipzig (ahead of Dortmund) so did o.k there.
Have to be honest Ings looked way better at Southampton than he has for us so far so that would be another plus for me.
I think he's a good manager tbh but yes up and down form at Southampton is something you can't just dismiss. They have this season taken 3 wins and a draw from last 4 games and got draws off both Manchester clubs so in little danger of going down.
Probably means it's certain Ward Prowse will end up here next summer aswell.
No to anyone that loses 9-0 every season, thanks. Southampton fans aren't overly impressed with him. Would be a big sack of "meh".
Post by: Damo70 on November 07, 2021, 02:59:35 PM
He has not done wonders with Rangers, he's done alright in a league even more tactically behind than when it was being dominated by Alex McLeish. It would be a pathetic, star-struck celebrity appointment.
yep.
I reckon Gerard will be a good manager but I don't want Villa to put my hunch to the test at our expense. Also, if we are bringing in someone from the SPL what about the guy who managed a double with St. Johnstone?
Post by: Skerra on November 07, 2021, 03:00:14 PM
As far as DS is concerned, I really wished it would work out for him but, since the new season started it seems the football we are playing has got gradually worse. At least he goes with our blessings but, would be surprised if another PL team appoint him. Just look at our upcoming fixtures, particularly in December, it would all have got a bit toxic so, glad he’s gone now because of that.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 03:00:41 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 07, 2021, 03:01:27 PM
I think Nuno would be a decent shout. He built the best Wolves side since the 70s and they only stopped progressing when he lost Jota and then Jimenez. His teams are well organised and very good on the break, which would suit us I think. He was set up to fail at Spurs.
So a manager that does well until his main player gets injured then falls apart? Hmmm... what about that bloke Dean Smith?
Jimenez was out for way longer last season, pretty sure he got injured around this time 12 months back.
Wouldn't be my first choice but with his managerial experience in last 5-6 years someone we shouldn't discount if they're interested in the job.
Post by: Small Rodent on November 07, 2021, 03:02:47 PM
If it was Dick Dale and The Deltones, yes.
But Phil Collins.
A No from me.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 03:03:35 PM
Let's get someone amazing, for once, please.
Post by: nick harper on November 07, 2021, 03:05:53 PM
I think Nuno would be a decent shout. He built the best Wolves side since the 70s and they only stopped progressing when he lost Jota and then Jimenez. His teams are well organised and very good on the break, which would suit us I think. He was set up to fail at Spurs.
So a manager that does well until his main player gets injured then falls apart? Hmmm... what about that bloke Dean Smith?
Jimenez was out for way longer last season, pretty sure he got injured around this time 12 months back.
Wouldn't be my first choice but with his managerial experience in last 5-6 years someone we shouldn't discount if they're interested in the job.
And Wolves didn’t try to replace Jiminez. We spent £100m.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 07, 2021, 03:06:19 PM
Nuno Espirito Santo would be above Frank Terrard but still a fairly bland appointment imo.
Let's get someone amazing, for once, please.
Ronald Koeman has won 6 major trophies as a manager. He also got sacked by Palace after five games.
One of those sentences is true.....
Post by: Skerra on November 07, 2021, 03:12:19 PM
Post by: RichardBatchelor on November 07, 2021, 03:14:12 PM
Gerrard beats up DJs for not playing Phil Collins….Phil Collins!
If it was Dick Dale and The Deltones, yes.
But Phil Collins.
A No from me.
Ha ha ha have the same feeling about Collins … but tbh the rest of Gerrard’s behaviour has been pretty exemplary and does seem a total one-off … but yeah, Collins, it does nag at me…
Post by: sickbeggar on November 07, 2021, 03:14:33 PM
Post by: brontebilly on November 07, 2021, 03:16:30 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 07, 2021, 03:16:38 PM
Personally I think we should get someone in for 7months because none of names at the moment inspire me to throw 3 year contracts at them. In May we'd be in a much better position to persuade a good candidate to come (providing we stay up)
I don't see the point of that tbh. We get in Hodgson for 6 months who's more than capable of getting us up to 11th or 12th and then have to start process all again in the summer.
At least now a new manager has six months to properly assess squad rather than have to do it in the summer.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 03:17:34 PM
Personally I think we should get someone in for 7months because none of names at the moment inspire me to throw 3 year contracts at them. In May we'd be in a much better position to persuade a good candidate to come (providing we stay up)
The trouble is, we would have an even less inspiring list to choose from if we are only giving them until the end of the season. Get the best man you can now, and if they turn out not to be amazing, we can always get someone better in the summer. The ten million or so it costs to get rid of a manager is peanuts, really, when you think about it.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 07, 2021, 03:22:06 PM
Personally I think we should get someone in for 7months because none of names at the moment inspire me to throw 3 year contracts at them. In May we'd be in a much better position to persuade a good candidate to come (providing we stay up)
I don't see the point of that tbh. We get in Hodgson for 6 months who's more than capable of getting us up to 11th or 12th and then have to start process all again in the summer.
At least now a new manager has six months to properly assess squad rather than have to do it in the summer.
yeah but with the names we're being linked to are we gonna get a guy who gets us up to mid-table with new manager bounce, and then gradually turns to crap over the next 2 years. The wrong guy finishing 10th this summer with a 3 year contract wouldn't get the sack. Some guy with a 7th month contract - thanks for finishing 10th, bye
Post by: Skerra on November 07, 2021, 03:22:19 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 07, 2021, 03:22:35 PM
Christophe Galtier for me still.
A sensible suggestion at last. Well done.
His poor English may be the stumbling block. Who do we know who's fluent in both French and English? Where's James Toner when you need him.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 07, 2021, 03:23:46 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 07, 2021, 03:24:48 PM
Christophe Galtier for me still.
A sensible suggestion at last. Well done.
His poor English may be the stumbling block. Who do we know who's fluent in both French and English? Where's James Toner when you need him.
Galtier was number 2 at Portsmouth years back under a french manager they had so I assume he has a good command of it.
Post by: john2710 on November 07, 2021, 03:25:05 PM
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Post by: Damo70 on November 07, 2021, 03:32:45 PM
Let's hope we have more luck by bringing in a national team coach than we did with Jozef Venglos.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 07, 2021, 03:33:29 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 07, 2021, 03:34:48 PM
The bookies have Gerrard as favourite but I still think the job will go to the second favourite Kasper Hjulmand.
Let's hope we have more luck by bringing in a national team coach than we did with Jozef Venglos.
Damo, can you lump it on Slippy G. Please!
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 03:35:07 PM
Post by: ozzjim on November 07, 2021, 03:35:46 PM
Gerrard would do well, he's not stupid and I think will be a decent manager in the prem, but the Liverpool shit would get tiresome.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 07, 2021, 03:40:27 PM
Favre, Fonseca, Potter.
Gerrard would do well, he's not stupid and I think will be a decent manager in the prem, but the Liverpool shit would get tiresome.
We play them away in a few weeks so yes would be Houllier part 2 if we go there, he touches the sign, waves to the kop....and we lose 3-0.
Too much hassle especially if we didn't win our first few games so would be on backfoot with fanbase straight away as Houllier generally was.
Post by: Damo70 on November 07, 2021, 03:40:41 PM
Just looked up Fonsecas record and it's pretty good.
He certainly isn't a manager who stays around very long. He has had eleven jobs in fourteen years. Three years at Shakhtar Donetsk is the longest he has ever stayed anywhere.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 07, 2021, 03:43:05 PM
I think everyone in Spain and Portugal has to have a release clause, don't they? Doesn't mean that's what they'd really expect us to pay.
True. Before joining Sporting he had a €20m release clause at Braga and it was reported Sporting paid €10m. He's only 36 but the way he's transformed Sporting is close to a miracle. Last season was no one off, Sporting are going from strength to strength playing some great football.
Oh and I think Brendan Rodgers has the record for a release clause paid.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 03:43:28 PM
I'd love Rúben Amorim, the Sporting Coach but despite the wealth of our owners, our league position would play against us. Oh and he's got a £25m release clause.
We spent more on Scott F Hogan. Spending on a top manager shouldn’t be any different than on a top player. And certainly a better investment than we’ve made on several less than top players in our past.
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 07, 2021, 03:46:27 PM
Post by: ozzjim on November 07, 2021, 03:49:09 PM
I'd love Rúben Amorim, the Sporting Coach but despite the wealth of our owners, our league position would play against us. Oh and he's got a £25m release clause.
We spent more on Scott F Hogan. Spending on a top manager shouldn’t be any different than on a top player. And certainly a better investment than we’ve made on several less than top players in our past.
Totally agree.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 07, 2021, 03:52:26 PM
I'd love Rúben Amorim, the Sporting Coach but despite the wealth of our owners, our league position would play against us. Oh and he's got a £25m release clause.
We spent more on Scott F Hogan. Spending on a top manager shouldn’t be any different than on a top player. And certainly a better investment than we’ve made on several less than top players in our past.
Absolutely, TV. The Manager/Head Coach is the most important job at any club and why we should try to recruit the very best. Though we may look like we're in for a relegation battle, a quick look at our squad should be evidence that we better than our league position suggests.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 07, 2021, 03:53:27 PM
Post by: Mister E on November 07, 2021, 03:54:33 PM
I think Nuno would be a decent shout. He built the best Wolves side since the 70s and they only stopped progressing when he lost Jota and then Jimenez. His teams are well organised and very good on the break, which would suit us I think. He was set up to fail at Spurs.God, no thanks.
And, whilst I'm at it, a big NO to Roy H, Fat Frank and JT.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 07, 2021, 03:54:38 PM
We could do a lot worse than Favre, I think. Especially if he could reproduce the job he did for Moenchengladbach.
The only doubt I have about Favre is his age and possibly his best days are behind him. Other than that, especially how he brings the youth through, he ticks lots of boxes.
Post by: ventnorVillain on November 07, 2021, 03:57:28 PM
Post by: Le Lapin on November 07, 2021, 03:58:55 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 07, 2021, 04:01:47 PM
Different feel to the later Lerner years at least so wrong to just conclude everything will collapse from every decision made like in those times.
Post by: Dave P on November 07, 2021, 04:12:23 PM
Post by: Damo70 on November 07, 2021, 04:12:53 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 04:18:52 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 07, 2021, 04:19:13 PM
I thought Favre was the guy who always had a big clock. Then I realised I was confusing him with Flava Flav. ;D
His philosophy is sound, Fight the Power (the top 4), Don't Believe the Hype ( keep our feet on the ground), VAR is a Joke.
Plus timekeeping is important for discipline.
He'll do for me.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 07, 2021, 04:23:04 PM
So take your pick from Nuno/Koeman/Fonseca/Farke
I just feel we will get a better manager in the summer.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 07, 2021, 04:24:18 PM
Would take Flava Flav ahead of Stevie G.
Gerrard was infamous for having zero tactical awareness on the pitch. has he improved this as a manager?
Post by: nigel on November 07, 2021, 04:25:15 PM
I’ll go for Fonseca
Post by: sickbeggar on November 07, 2021, 04:25:54 PM
Because there isn’t an outstanding candidate, I would give one of the unemployed managers a deal to the end of the season, (we’d have an option for another year). They get a “massive” bonus if they keep us up. All parties should win and be sufficiently motivated.
So take your pick from Nuno/Koeman/Fonseca/Farke
I just feel we will get a better manager in the summer.
yep. Who knows who will out of a job in May or looking for a new challenge
Post by: TonyD on November 07, 2021, 04:31:57 PM
Post by: Allan C on November 07, 2021, 04:32:36 PM
Post by: Dave P on November 07, 2021, 04:32:41 PM
Has the rest of the coaches been fired too?
Just Shakespeare so far
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 04:33:25 PM
If they barely avoid relegation, pay them off and get someone better in the summer.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 04:33:42 PM
Has the rest of the coaches been fired too?
Just Shakespeare so far
So who is our actual manager at the moment?
Post by: TonyD on November 07, 2021, 04:33:57 PM
Dyche
Gerrard
Lampard
Nuno.
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2021, 04:35:14 PM
Don’t want
Dyche
Gerrard
Lampard
Nuno.
Very good list of Noes, Tony. All for different reasons, but I don't think any of them are what we look like we need.
Post by: garyellis on November 07, 2021, 04:36:21 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 07, 2021, 04:37:21 PM
Has the rest of the coaches been fired too?
Just Shakespeare so far
So who is our actual manager at the moment?
Glenn Roeder.
Post by: TonyD on November 07, 2021, 04:37:41 PM
Just want someone to play attacking football and get you excited.Don’t want
Dyche
Gerrard
Lampard
Nuno.
Very good list of Noes, Tony. All for different reasons, but I don't think any of them are what we look like we need.
Post by: Beard82 on November 07, 2021, 04:38:27 PM
Don’t wantAny of these and Purslows righting his own P45
Dyche
Gerrard
Lampard
Nuno.
Very good list of Noes, Tony. All for different reasons, but I don't think any of them are what we look like we need.
Post by: Dave P on November 07, 2021, 04:39:17 PM
Has the rest of the coaches been fired too?
Just Shakespeare so far
So who is our actual manager at the moment?
Probably Kevin McDonald somehow
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 07, 2021, 04:40:13 PM
Has the rest of the coaches been fired too?
Just Shakespeare so far
So who is our actual manager at the moment?
Probably Kevin McDonald somehow
Ha ha!
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 07, 2021, 04:41:14 PM
Post by: Taylor on November 07, 2021, 04:44:13 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 07, 2021, 04:45:12 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 04:45:23 PM
Has the rest of the coaches been fired too?
Just Shakespeare so far
So who is our actual manager at the moment?
Glenn Roeder.
Haha. Cue internet meltdown in 3,2,1…
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 07, 2021, 04:45:40 PM
Genuine question. Is Potter a villa fan?
Supposedly
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 04:46:16 PM
Genuine question. Is Potter a villa fan?
https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/brighton-and-hove-albion/news/graham-potter-reveals-he-grew-up-following-aston-villa_386494.html
Post by: Beard82 on November 07, 2021, 04:46:39 PM
Shakespeare’s gone? I’m hoping the reason Nanny MacPhee and the other one hasn’t yet is because Purslow didn’t realise they actually worked there.Has the rest of the coaches been fired too?
Just Shakespeare so far
So who is our actual manager at the moment?
Probably Kevin McDonald somehow
Ha ha!
Seriously if Shakespeare’s gone they must have someone lined up before the next game
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 04:46:50 PM
I’m surprised Dwight Yorke hasn’t put himself forward yet.
Oh he will and then claim some sort of prejudice when he doesn’t get an interview
Post by: TonyD on November 07, 2021, 04:48:21 PM
Do we add Potter to the list?Don’t want
Dyche
Gerrard
Lampard
Nuno.
Very good list of Noes, Tony. All for different reasons, but I don't think any of them are what we look like we need.
Post by: achilles on November 07, 2021, 04:48:36 PM
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2021, 04:49:52 PM
Do we add Potter to the list?Don’t want
Dyche
Gerrard
Lampard
Nuno.
Very good list of Noes, Tony. All for different reasons, but I don't think any of them are what we look like we need.
I think Potter's got something, and it would be interesting to see how he does as a step-up. Gamble, but then we're not appointing a dead-cert any time soon.
Post by: TonyD on November 07, 2021, 04:50:13 PM
As long as the new guy can make decisions in the first half if things are obviously not working and subs before the 65th minute (if needed)?Or buy a DCM and pick the right formation to start with.
Post by: TonyD on November 07, 2021, 04:51:14 PM
If it’s a gamble I recommend the Cov manager.Do we add Potter to the list?Don’t want
Dyche
Gerrard
Lampard
Nuno.
Very good list of Noes, Tony. All for different reasons, but I don't think any of them are what we look like we need.
I think Potter's got something, and it would be interesting to see how he does as a step-up. Gamble, but then we're not appointing a dead-cert any time soon.
Post by: London Villan on November 07, 2021, 04:52:27 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 07, 2021, 04:54:30 PM
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa/next-permanent-manager
Post by: chrisw1 on November 07, 2021, 04:54:53 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 07, 2021, 04:55:03 PM
The 3 Unwise Men. It's Christmas next month after all!
(maybe not so much John Terry!)
Post by: john e on November 07, 2021, 04:55:06 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 07, 2021, 04:55:44 PM
Has the rest of the coaches been fired too?
Just Shakespeare so far
So who is our actual manager at the moment?
Glenn Roeder.
Haha. Cue internet meltdown in 3,2,1…
He passed away a few months back.
Post by: john e on November 07, 2021, 04:56:35 PM
It's going to be Lang pushing for Kasper Hjulmand isn't it? And I just can't see wtf he's done to be anywhere near the reckoning.
And Purslow pushing for Gerard
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 07, 2021, 04:58:24 PM
I'd be up for Fonseca or Koeman now, without the need to offer them a caveat of "you've only got until summer". If they come in and do really well, say finish top seven or eight or even, stop laughing at the back, win the cup, why would you not want to keep them on?
If they barely avoid relegation, pay them off and get someone better in the summer.
The difference with that approach is you cannot sound out more statement appointment (Manchini/Rodgers?) who may be tempted if the timing was better.
Post by: Nev on November 07, 2021, 05:00:33 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 05:02:20 PM
Latest odds
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa/next-permanent-manager
That's a hugely disappointing list.
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2021, 05:02:56 PM
Post by: Ger Regan on November 07, 2021, 05:05:45 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 07, 2021, 05:06:03 PM
Ralf H - experienced and could go on a gear with better ownership backing
Personally I think it’s between those 2
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 05:07:01 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 05:07:30 PM
I think we need something specific. We've been left behind tactically for two decades now, and it's time to change that. We need someone to modernise us, to get us playing on the front foot, pressing and attacking with conviction and organisation.
I think we specifically don't need Lampard, Gerrard or, even more specifically, Terry. After that I have no idea. Maybe Steve Bruce?
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2021, 05:08:08 PM
Gerrard - wants the Liverpool job in 3 years time. If it’s him then he will have fire in belly to ensure it’s successful or it ultimately will cost him his dream job down the line
Ralf H - experienced and could go on a gear with better ownership backing
Personally I think it’s between those 2
Well Vinnie, I hope you're not basing that on inside info because fuck me that's uninspiring. Would prefer Hasenhuttl because for God's sake can we just appoint someone for the job of coach based on them being a coach? If his name wasn't Steven Gerrard no way we'd be looking at the Rangers manager. No way.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 07, 2021, 05:08:15 PM
Bruce would never happen, obviously. But imagine the meltdown? It would be biblicalI think we need something specific. We've been left behind tactically for two decades now, and it's time to change that. We need someone to modernise us, to get us playing on the front foot, pressing and attacking with conviction and organisation.
I think we specifically don't need Lampard, Gerrard or, even more specifically, Terry. After that I have no idea. Maybe Steve Bruce?
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2021, 05:09:02 PM
I think we need something specific. We've been left behind tactically for two decades now, and it's time to change that. We need someone to modernise us, to get us playing on the front foot, pressing and attacking with conviction and organisation.
I think we specifically don't need Lampard, Gerrard or, even more specifically, Terry. After that I have no idea. Maybe Steve Bruce?
As I was saying, just appointing someone based on their famous fecking name would be monumentally small-time.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 05:09:40 PM
Gerrard - wants the Liverpool job in 3 years time. If it’s him then he will have fire in belly to ensure it’s successful or it ultimately will cost him his dream job down the line
Ralf H - experienced and could go on a gear with better ownership backing
Personally I think it’s between those 2
Jesus fucking Christ. Sack Purslow if those are the best he can come up with.
Post by: olaftab on November 07, 2021, 05:09:46 PM
I don't know. Colin is at 50 so worth a £1.Latest odds
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa/next-permanent-manager
That's a hugely disappointing list.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 07, 2021, 05:10:40 PM
Gerrard - wants the Liverpool job in 3 years time. If it’s him then he will have fire in belly to ensure it’s successful or it ultimately will cost him his dream job down the lineFucking hell.
Ralf H - experienced and could go on a gear with better ownership backing
Personally I think it’s between those 2
If that's the best list avaiable for a huge club with some of the richest owners in world football, then I despair.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 05:10:53 PM
I think we need something specific. We've been left behind tactically for two decades now, and it's time to change that. We need someone to modernise us, to get us playing on the front foot, pressing and attacking with conviction and organisation.
I think we specifically don't need Lampard, Gerrard or, even more specifically, Terry. After that I have no idea. Maybe Steve Bruce?
As I was saying, just appointing someone based on their famous fecking name would be monumentally small-time.
And yet, there is a nagging feeling that that's precisely what will happen.
Post by: KevinGage on November 07, 2021, 05:11:16 PM
VT and Eastie convinced its going to be Stevie G
Welcome, Paulo Fonseca.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 05:14:04 PM
VT and Eastie convinced its going to be Stevie G
Welcome, Paulo Fonseca.
Paulo's away in Mauritius with Isabella and their three little ones on a mini-break. He gets back to Lisbon at 15.35 on Wednesday.
Post by: john e on November 07, 2021, 05:14:09 PM
Looks like we’re gonna find out sooner than I thought If my fears are founded
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2021, 05:14:54 PM
VT and Eastie convinced its going to be Stevie G
Welcome, Paulo Fonseca.
Paulo's away in Mauritius with Isabella and their three little ones on a mini-break. He gets back to Lisbon at 15.35 on Wednesday.
Isn't Isabella Fonseca the name of Martin Amis's wife?
Post by: Mister E on November 07, 2021, 05:15:13 PM
Wot he said.Gerrard - wants the Liverpool job in 3 years time. If it’s him then he will have fire in belly to ensure it’s successful or it ultimately will cost him his dream job down the line
Ralf H - experienced and could go on a gear with better ownership backing
Personally I think it’s between those 2
Jesus fucking Christ. Sack Purslow if those are the best he can come up with.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 05:15:55 PM
VT and Eastie convinced its going to be Stevie G
Welcome, Paulo Fonseca.
Paulo's away in Mauritius with Isabella and their three little ones on a mini-break. He gets back to Lisbon at 15.35 on Wednesday.
Isn't Isabella Fonseca the name of Martin Amis's wife?
Kind of. Isabel, I think.
Post by: KevinGage on November 07, 2021, 05:16:47 PM
VT and Eastie convinced its going to be Stevie G
Welcome, Paulo Fonseca.
Paulo's away in Mauritius with Isabella and their three little ones on a mini-break. He gets back to Lisbon at 15.35 on Wednesday.
Which airline? And what biscuits do you want with this bong?
Post by: Risso on November 07, 2021, 05:18:30 PM
I’ve said previously I don’t trust Purslow I think he’ll make an easy lazy appointment That suits himself
Looks like we’re gonna find out sooner than I thought If my fears are founded
Let's just wait and see. I'd convinced myself that they were going to stick with Smith this morning, so let's just see what happens.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 07, 2021, 05:19:05 PM
I’ve said previously I don’t trust Purslow I think he’ll make an easy lazy appointment That suits himself
Looks like we’re gonna find out sooner than I thought If my fears are founded
Surely a manager that suits himself is one that will bring success to Villa? Ultimately that’s his job.
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2021, 05:19:31 PM
VT and Eastie convinced its going to be Stevie G
Welcome, Paulo Fonseca.
Paulo's away in Mauritius with Isabella and their three little ones on a mini-break. He gets back to Lisbon at 15.35 on Wednesday.
Isn't Isabella Fonseca the name of Martin Amis's wife?
Kind of. Isabel, I think.
Ah, yes that's the one. Would still have her over Gerrard in the dugout, nevermind her namesake Paulo.
Post by: john e on November 07, 2021, 05:20:25 PM
I’ve said previously I don’t trust Purslow I think he’ll make an easy lazy appointment That suits himself
Looks like we’re gonna find out sooner than I thought If my fears are founded
Let's just wait and see. I'd convinced myself that they were going to stick with Smith this morning, so let's just see what happens.
well we haven’t got any other choice mate
But fingers crossed eh
Post by: Damo70 on November 07, 2021, 05:20:35 PM
Because there isn’t an outstanding candidate, I would give one of the unemployed managers a deal to the end of the season, (we’d have an option for another year). They get a “massive” bonus if they keep us up. All parties should win and be sufficiently motivated.
So take your pick from Nuno/Koeman/Fonseca/Farke
I just feel we will get a better manager in the summer.
Maybe Koeman or Fonseca but it is a big no from me regarding Nuno or Farke. Especially Farke unless we are admitting we will go down and then try to come straight back up again.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 05:20:38 PM
VT and Eastie convinced its going to be Stevie G
Welcome, Paulo Fonseca.
Paulo's away in Mauritius with Isabella and their three little ones on a mini-break. He gets back to Lisbon at 15.35 on Wednesday.
Which airline? And what biscuits do you want with this bong?
I can't endanger my sources by telling you the airline. Rich Tea.
Post by: Richard E on November 07, 2021, 05:20:53 PM
VT and Eastie convinced its going to be Stevie G
Welcome, Paulo Fonseca.
Paulo's away in Mauritius with Isabella and their three little ones on a mini-break. He gets back to Lisbon at 15.35 on Wednesday.
Isn't Isabella Fonseca the name of Martin Amis's wife?
Kind of. Isabel, I think.
Ah, yes that's the one. Would still have her over Gerrard in the dugout, nevermind her namesake Paulo.
You don’t get this sort of cerebral, highbrow stuff on Small Heath Alliance.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 07, 2021, 05:21:13 PM
This would largely make Lange redundant though I think.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 07, 2021, 05:22:23 PM
Post by: john e on November 07, 2021, 05:22:30 PM
I’ve said previously I don’t trust Purslow I think he’ll make an easy lazy appointment That suits himself
Looks like we’re gonna find out sooner than I thought If my fears are founded
Surely a manager that suits himself is one that will bring success to Villa? Ultimately that’s his job.
I don’t think he will consider anyone outside of his narrow little orbit
But like Rizzo says we’ll have to wait and see
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 07, 2021, 05:24:44 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 07, 2021, 05:25:17 PM
Post by: Risso on November 07, 2021, 05:25:38 PM
I don’t think he will consider anyone outside of his narrow little orbit
But like Rizzo says we’ll have to wait and see
I dunno John. He's appointed two foreigners to the DoF position, and has gone big on modern types of coaches (with 'mixed' results admittedly). The appointment will show the way the owners and Purslow are thinking though, long term.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 05:26:04 PM
VT and Eastie convinced its going to be Stevie G
Welcome, Paulo Fonseca.
Paulo's away in Mauritius with Isabella and their three little ones on a mini-break. He gets back to Lisbon at 15.35 on Wednesday.
Isn't Isabella Fonseca the name of Martin Amis's wife?
Kind of. Isabel, I think.
Ah, yes that's the one. Would still have her over Gerrard in the dugout, nevermind her namesake Paulo.
You don’t get this sort of cerebral, highbrow stuff on Small Heath Alliance.
Nothing highbrow about it, mate. She's merely the Uruguayan Karren Brady.
Post by: LeeB on November 07, 2021, 05:26:08 PM
I’ve said previously I don’t trust Purslow I think he’ll make an easy lazy appointment That suits himself
Looks like we’re gonna find out sooner than I thought If my fears are founded
Surely a manager that suits himself is one that will bring success to Villa? Ultimately that’s his job.
I don’t think he will consider anyone outside of his narrow little orbit
But like Rizzo says we’ll have to wait and see
I worry he's a starfucker and we'll end up with fucking Gerrard.
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2021, 05:26:24 PM
What about Erik Ten Hag of Ajax? He's supposed to be going to Man Utd though, but it's the sort of the "under the radar" thing our owners would do, to get hold of him.
Not a chance, might as well try and hire Guardiola.
Post by: Villan82 on November 07, 2021, 05:26:34 PM
Expecting an announcement tomorrow.
Heard something?!
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2021, 05:27:12 PM
VT and Eastie convinced its going to be Stevie G
Welcome, Paulo Fonseca.
Paulo's away in Mauritius with Isabella and their three little ones on a mini-break. He gets back to Lisbon at 15.35 on Wednesday.
Isn't Isabella Fonseca the name of Martin Amis's wife?
Kind of. Isabel, I think.
Ah, yes that's the one. Would still have her over Gerrard in the dugout, nevermind her namesake Paulo.
You don’t get this sort of cerebral, highbrow stuff on Small Heath Alliance.
Nothing highbrow about it, mate. She's merely the Uruguayan Karren Brady.
Is Karren Brady married to the Uruguayan Martin Amis? Martìn Amigos?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 07, 2021, 05:27:21 PM
I’ve said previously I don’t trust Purslow I think he’ll make an easy lazy appointment That suits himself
Looks like we’re gonna find out sooner than I thought If my fears are founded
Surely a manager that suits himself is one that will bring success to Villa? Ultimately that’s his job.
I don’t think he will consider anyone outside of his narrow little orbit
But like Rizzo says we’ll have to wait and see
I worry he's a starfucker and we'll end up with fucking Gerrard.
Imagine the Sky Sports wank fest when he’s our manager and we have to play at Anfield.
Post by: Beard82 on November 07, 2021, 05:27:31 PM
Shit that’s depressing how small time the world see us not really sure that any of them will take us further forwardI don't know. Colin is at 50 so worth a £1.Latest odds
https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa/next-permanent-manager
That's a hugely disappointing list.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 05:27:32 PM
What about Erik Ten Hag of Ajax? He's supposed to be going to Man Utd though, but it's the sort of the "under the radar" thing our owners would do, to get hold of him.
Yes please.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 07, 2021, 05:28:23 PM
Expecting an announcement tomorrow.
Heard something?!
That’d rule out anyone currently in a job.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 07, 2021, 05:29:11 PM
The fact that Shakespeare has gone means that they are pretty close to an appointment.Expecting an announcement tomorrow.
Heard something?!
Post by: olaftab on November 07, 2021, 05:29:22 PM
Post by: Damo70 on November 07, 2021, 05:29:30 PM
Genuine question. Is Potter a villa fan?
Supposedly
I can definitely confirm that he grew up in Solihull and supported Villa.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 05:30:06 PM
The fact that Shakespeare has gone means that they are pretty close to an appointment.Expecting an announcement tomorrow.
Heard something?!
Not necessarily.
Post by: CT Villan on November 07, 2021, 05:30:09 PM
1. Favre
2. Fonseca
3. Rodgers
4. Koeman
Has Dwight Yorke thrown his hat in the ring yet ?
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2021, 05:31:15 PM
I’ve said previously I don’t trust Purslow I think he’ll make an easy lazy appointment That suits himself
Looks like we’re gonna find out sooner than I thought If my fears are founded
Surely a manager that suits himself is one that will bring success to Villa? Ultimately that’s his job.
I don’t think he will consider anyone outside of his narrow little orbit
But like Rizzo says we’ll have to wait and see
I worry he's a starfucker and we'll end up with fucking Gerrard.
Funny thing is that was the opposite of what happened with hiring Dean. They ignored the siren call of celebrity with Thierry Henry and hired the best coach available for the situation. In what universe would that be Gerrard right now? It would be absolutely maddening if they did that.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 05:31:18 PM
Post by: Villafirst on November 07, 2021, 05:31:26 PM
Bruce would never happen, obviously. But imagine the meltdown? It would be biblicalI think we need something specific. We've been left behind tactically for two decades now, and it's time to change that. We need someone to modernise us, to get us playing on the front foot, pressing and attacking with conviction and organisation.
I think we specifically don't need Lampard, Gerrard or, even more specifically, Terry. After that I have no idea. Maybe Steve Bruce?
Cabbage sales would increase massively....
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 07, 2021, 05:31:42 PM
My wishlist...
1. Favre
2. Fonseca
3. Rodgers
4. Koeman
Has Dwight Yorke thrown his hat in the ring yet ?
He can’t manage his kid, god knows how he’d be with a whole squad.
Post by: john e on November 07, 2021, 05:32:13 PM
I don’t think he will consider anyone outside of his narrow little orbit
But like Rizzo says we’ll have to wait and see
I dunno John. He's appointed two foreigners to the DoF position, and has gone big on modern types of coaches (with 'mixed' results admittedly). The appointment will show the way the owners and Purslow are thinking though, long term.
The last time we appointed a manager I thought we were going to end up with David Moyes after some spurious ITK I’d heard
So no one should take any notice of me really because I generally don’t know what I’m talking about
but I’m sure you didn’t anyway
Post by: Rory on November 07, 2021, 05:32:47 PM
Personally, I would have no problem with Stevie G. Has done wonders with Rangers (although he has been helped with Celtic going backwards) and is a born winner. I think after managing Rangers for three years he is ready for the Premier League
He is no more a "born winner" than Bruce, Di Matteo, McLeish or any of the other people we have appointed who had successful playing careers. Being a good player is no guarantee of being a good manager.
He hasn't "worked wonders" at "Rangers". He has spent (by Scottish standards) a fortune and won one out of three league titles, zero cups and zero league cups. The St Johnstone manager has won more in one season and nobody would be suggesting him as a viable candidate.
Appointing Gerrard would be fanwankery of the most servile kind.
Apologies that I keep making this same point and probably will do in the coming days but I really, really don't want that prick as Villa manager.
100% my position also.
Post by: London Villan on November 07, 2021, 05:35:10 PM
Post by: john e on November 07, 2021, 05:35:53 PM
Expecting an announcement tomorrow.
Where did you get that info from mate
Post by: Damo70 on November 07, 2021, 05:35:59 PM
I’ve said previously I don’t trust Purslow I think he’ll make an easy lazy appointment That suits himself
Looks like we’re gonna find out sooner than I thought If my fears are founded
Purslow impresses me in the way he comes across. He brought Dean Smith to the club for starters.
Post by: KRS on November 07, 2021, 05:37:03 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 07, 2021, 05:37:04 PM
Post by: AV82EC on November 07, 2021, 05:37:45 PM
Post by: Malandro on November 07, 2021, 05:37:46 PM
Personally, I would have no problem with Stevie G. Has done wonders with Rangers (although he has been helped with Celtic going backwards) and is a born winner. I think after managing Rangers for three years he is ready for the Premier League
He is no more a "born winner" than Bruce, Di Matteo, McLeish or any of the other people we have appointed who had successful playing careers. Being a good player is no guarantee of being a good manager.
He hasn't "worked wonders" at "Rangers". He has spent (by Scottish standards) a fortune and won one out of three league titles, zero cups and zero league cups. The St Johnstone manager has won more in one season and nobody would be suggesting him as a viable candidate.
Appointing Gerrard would be fanwankery of the most servile kind.
Apologies that I keep making this same point and probably will do in the coming days but I really, really don't want that prick as Villa manager.
100% my position also.
It would be a ridiculous appointment.
Although I have a soft spot for him, that slip was one of the funniest things I’ve seen in football.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 07, 2021, 05:38:04 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 05:38:08 PM
Post by: Damo70 on November 07, 2021, 05:38:31 PM
What is Sven up to these days?
With Sven the question is usually who he is up, not what he is up to ;)
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 05:38:32 PM
Post by: Risso on November 07, 2021, 05:38:38 PM
Genuine question…why is there such negativity towards Nuno? When he was Wolves manager, I couldn’t bring myself to dislike him as he always came over well and though he had them playing good football (not that I watched them much at all). Would he really be that bad an option?
Three words K, 'five', 'three' and 'two'.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 05:39:34 PM
Genuine question…why is there such negativity towards Nuno? When he was Wolves manager, I couldn’t bring myself to dislike him as he always came over well and though he had them playing good football (not that I watched them much at all). Would he really be that bad an option?
He's a bloody scruff.
Post by: AV82EC on November 07, 2021, 05:39:41 PM
Wonder if Unai Emery’s excuse for not going to Newcastle was true.
That was one of my first thoughts this morning. Back to England and a much better squad to work with than at Newcastle.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 07, 2021, 05:39:51 PM
Pure speculation - Matt law says appointment imminent on the basis that Shakespeare has gone.Expecting an announcement tomorrow.
Where did you get that info from mate
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 05:40:13 PM
Genuine question…why is there such negativity towards Nuno? When he was Wolves manager, I couldn’t bring myself to dislike him as he always came over well and though he had them playing good football (not that I watched them much at all). Would he really be that bad an option?
Three words K, 'five', 'three' and 'two'.
Holy fucking shit. I didn't even know that. Just say NuNO!
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2021, 05:41:29 PM
Post by: Scovilla on November 07, 2021, 05:41:39 PM
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 07, 2021, 05:43:02 PM
Don't know. It might be because I liked Smith so much but not one realistic name mentioned so far has made me feel any kind of excitement.
100% with you here. The names listed in that Telegraph article are like, none of the above please.
Maybe if we re-signed Dean the new manager bounce will get us out of the slump and back up and running again.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 05:43:50 PM
Pure speculation - Matt law says appointment imminent on the basis that Shakespeare has gone.Expecting an announcement tomorrow.
Where did you get that info from mate
Seems like guesswork. Sure we have often sacked manager and assistant in one go, and it doesn't always signify a speedy appointment. If the Telegraph, ie the paper that Law actually works for, are correct, our main two candidates are both employed so the chances of announcing one of them so quickly would be very slim. Though we sorted it out with Brentford pretty quickly, I suppose.
Post by: Risso on November 07, 2021, 05:44:20 PM
Genuine question…why is there such negativity towards Nuno? When he was Wolves manager, I couldn’t bring myself to dislike him as he always came over well and though he had them playing good football (not that I watched them much at all). Would he really be that bad an option?
Three words K, 'five', 'three' and 'two'.
Holy fucking shit. I didn't even know that. Just say NuNO!
He *chooses* to play like that, not even in an enforced "aargh, I can't choose between my two forwards, and the wingers are injured anyway" emergency sitaution sort of thing. He actually likes 5-3-2, and thinks it's better than 4-3-3. I'd drive up to Glasgow myself to get Stevie Mee if it was a choice between him and Nuno.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 05:44:27 PM
Welcome, Roy Hodgson!
Post by: enigma on November 07, 2021, 05:45:02 PM
Post by: john2710 on November 07, 2021, 05:47:37 PM
Post by: TonyD on November 07, 2021, 05:48:41 PM
So a new appointment could be tomorrow as they have had a week.
Post by: Dave P on November 07, 2021, 05:49:12 PM
Post by: Damo70 on November 07, 2021, 05:50:44 PM
Pure speculation - Matt law says appointment imminent on the basis that Shakespeare has gone.Expecting an announcement tomorrow.
Where did you get that info from mate
As soon as I heard Shakespeare had gone rightly or wrongly I immediately thought that would mean we had an appointment imminent.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on November 07, 2021, 05:51:42 PM
Post by: Skerra on November 07, 2021, 05:52:06 PM
Post by: enigma on November 07, 2021, 05:52:54 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 07, 2021, 05:53:06 PM
Looking at how the team spirit imploded - I think the team knew the owners have been on the hunt since the West Ham game.I had a gut instinct the players knew Deano was gone already on Friday, despite us playing better in the second half, for what it's worth, and posted this in another thread.
So a new appointment could be tomorrow as they have had a week.
Post by: TonyD on November 07, 2021, 05:53:39 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 05:55:31 PM
I reckon they will go for Terry and Lampard.
Nobody ever goes for co-managers and neither would agree to be an assistant manager (Terry just left because he didn't want to be an assistant manager any more). So that won't happen.
If it did happen, though, would bookies pay out on both or neither?
Post by: TonyD on November 07, 2021, 05:56:41 PM
There's strong rumours it's Kasper Hjulmand who I know next to nowt about.His CV is deeply meh!
Post by: Risso on November 07, 2021, 05:57:44 PM
I reckon they will go for Terry and Lampard.
Nobody ever goes for co-managers and neither would agree to be an assistant manager (Terry just left because he didn't want to be an assistant manager any more). So that won't happen.
If it did happen, though, would bookies pay out on both or neither?
Who were the last co-managers, Houllier and Evans? An utter disaster.
Post by: Damo70 on November 07, 2021, 05:59:20 PM
There's strong rumours it's Kasper Hjulmand who I know next to nowt about.
He is the national coach of Denmark and was first mentioned in connection with the Villa job earlier this afternoon.
Regarding the mention's of Frank Lampard all I would say is that Lampard and Purslow would know each other from their time at Chelsea.
Post by: AGRIPPA on November 07, 2021, 06:00:36 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 06:00:56 PM
I reckon they will go for Terry and Lampard.
Nobody ever goes for co-managers and neither would agree to be an assistant manager (Terry just left because he didn't want to be an assistant manager any more). So that won't happen.
If it did happen, though, would bookies pay out on both or neither?
Who were the last co-managers, Houllier and Evans? An utter disaster.
Did Djemba and Djemba ever go into management?
Post by: enigma on November 07, 2021, 06:01:12 PM
Didn't Venables come in and do something similar with Robson at Boro? That didn't work out too well either.I reckon they will go for Terry and Lampard.
Nobody ever goes for co-managers and neither would agree to be an assistant manager (Terry just left because he didn't want to be an assistant manager any more). So that won't happen.
If it did happen, though, would bookies pay out on both or neither?
Who were the last co-managers, Houllier and Evans? An utter disaster.
Curbishley and Steve Gritt at Charlton too.
Post by: KevinGage on November 07, 2021, 06:01:18 PM
Looking at how the team spirit imploded - I think the team knew the owners have been on the hunt since the West Ham game.I had a gut instinct the players knew Deano was gone already on Friday, despite us playing better in the second half, for what it's worth, and posted this in another thread.
So a new appointment could be tomorrow as they have had a week.
Seeing as he isn't a ranter and raver, I did wonder if he attempted a Jedi mind trick at half time and said thanks for the memories and look after yourselves. Not intending to bail at all, but to get a reaction.
We looked a different animal in that 15/20 minute spell after halftime.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 06:01:42 PM
Diego Simone for me!!
Now you're talking.
Purslow out, Agrippa in! Gerrard probably supported Mark Antony, the daft twat.
Post by: john e on November 07, 2021, 06:02:15 PM
Diego Simone for me!!
He’d be in the top 1 if it was cage fighting
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 07, 2021, 06:04:29 PM
Good historical reference there! ;) Life certainly wouldn't be dull with Simone!Diego Simone for me!!
Now you're talking.
Purslow out, Agrippa in! Gerrard probably supported Mark Antony, the daft twat.
Post by: enigma on November 07, 2021, 06:05:10 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 06:05:48 PM
Post by: Ian. on November 07, 2021, 06:06:00 PM
Post by: Damo70 on November 07, 2021, 06:06:21 PM
Diego Simone for me!!
He’d be in the top 1 if it was cage fighting
I have been banging on for a few years about how I think he is the best coach in the world.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 06:06:51 PM
If it’s Gerrard, can we please remain from calling him Stevie G.
I will choose to refrain from it Ian!
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 07, 2021, 06:08:31 PM
Doubt if Jim White will on Talksport! 🤮If it’s Gerrard, can we please remain from calling him Stevie G.
I will choose to refrain from it Ian!
Post by: Damo70 on November 07, 2021, 06:09:21 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on November 07, 2021, 06:10:43 PM
Sky Sports understands that there’s no one lined up to take the job.
Here we go. I’m sure we will have to go through the usual “in the know” and “my sources tell me” nonsense from idiots on Talksport, SKY and in the media over the coming days.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 06:10:59 PM
West Ham 3 Liverpool 1.
So we shouldn't go for Klopp, then?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 07, 2021, 06:11:07 PM
Why the hell are Ralph Hassenhuttl's odds so low?
Because people are putting money on him and risk management software at the bookies is adjusting his price accordingly
Post by: Ian. on November 07, 2021, 06:14:05 PM
Doubt if Jim White will on Talksport! 🤮If it’s Gerrard, can we please remain from calling him Stevie G.
I will choose to refrain from it Ian!
The thought sends shivers down my spine. Also the thought of the day we play at the ‘famous Kop’
Post by: enigma on November 07, 2021, 06:14:29 PM
There has to be a reason so many are putting so much on him for his odds to tumble so much though. Maybe it is just that mention in the Telegraph. Don't get me wrong though, I don't think he'll be appointed in a million years.Why the hell are Ralph Hassenhuttl's odds so low?
Because people are putting money on him and risk management software at the bookies is adjusting his price accordingly
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 06:15:11 PM
Sky Sports understands that there’s no one lined up to take the job.
Here we go. I’m sure we will have to go through the usual “in the know” and “my sources tell me” nonsense from idiots on Talksport, SKY and in the media over the coming days.
Sky do have some sources at most clubs. They don't get everything right but will, at least, be working on the basis of what their informants have told them.
Talksport is pure bollocks designed to gain listeners by saying something controversial, regardless of whether they actually believe it. Expect a load of "experts" to be dragged out in the next few days explaining why Villa didn't deserve Smith or why [insert mediocre manager] would be mad to leave [insert irrelevant club] to join Villa. Sadly, lots of Villa fans will fall for it and phone in, as ever.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 06:15:44 PM
Sky Sports understands that there’s no one lined up to take the job.
Here we go. I’m sure we will have to go through the usual “in the know” and “my sources tell me” nonsense from idiots on Talksport, SKY and in the media over the coming days.
If it's true that we have nobody lined up then it's negligent by Purslow et al.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 07, 2021, 06:16:41 PM
Gerrard - wants the Liverpool job in 3 years time. If it’s him then he will have fire in belly to ensure it’s successful or it ultimately will cost him his dream job down the line
Ralf H - experienced and could go on a gear with better ownership backing
Personally I think it’s between those 2
Well Vinnie, I hope you're not basing that on inside info because fuck me that's uninspiring. Would prefer Hasenhuttl because for God's sake can we just appoint someone for the job of coach based on them being a coach? If his name wasn't Steven Gerrard no way we'd be looking at the Rangers manager. No way.
Indeed. Not to mention I still haven't grown tired of the Demba Ba song.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 06:17:01 PM
Sky Sports understands that there’s no one lined up to take the job.
Here we go. I’m sure we will have to go through the usual “in the know” and “my sources tell me” nonsense from idiots on Talksport, SKY and in the media over the coming days.
If it's true that we have nobody lined up then it's negligent by Purslow et al.
Hold on. Why would you jump to any conclusions based on what Sky knows or as has been proven a million times what they don’t know?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 06:20:30 PM
Sky Sports understands that there’s no one lined up to take the job.
Here we go. I’m sure we will have to go through the usual “in the know” and “my sources tell me” nonsense from idiots on Talksport, SKY and in the media over the coming days.
If it's true that we have nobody lined up then it's negligent by Purslow et al.
Hold on. Why would you jump to any conclusions based on what Sky knows or as has been proven a million times what they don’t know?
Why would you assume I'd jumped to conclusions by reading a sentence that begins with the word 'if'? You're jumping to conclusions.
Post by: KevinGage on November 07, 2021, 06:21:13 PM
If it’s Gerrard, can we please remain from calling him Stevie G.
We'll just call him Phil Collins instead.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 07, 2021, 06:23:41 PM
Gerrard probably supported Mark Antony, the daft twat.
Were you supporting Team J.Lo?
Hope it's Favre (or another similarly ambitious appointment) but wouldn't be as against Stevie G as some here. Plus it would piss off the Sevco fans.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 06:24:24 PM
If it’s Gerrard, can we please remain from calling him Stevie G.
We'll just call him Phil Collins instead.
This is a good idea. I approve.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 07, 2021, 06:26:13 PM
If it’s Gerrard, can we please remain from calling him Stevie G.
We'll just call him Phil Collins instead.
I can't imagine Stevie G singing about "Another Day in Paradise".
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 06:26:54 PM
Post by: ozzjim on November 07, 2021, 06:27:02 PM
Post by: TonyD on November 07, 2021, 06:27:09 PM
They are out there.
Post by: achilles on November 07, 2021, 06:27:11 PM
There has to be a reason so many are putting so much on him for his odds to tumble so much though. Maybe it is just that mention in the Telegraph. Don't get me wrong though, I don't think he'll be appointed in a million years.Why the hell are Ralph Hassenhuttl's odds so low?
Because people are putting money on him and risk management software at the bookies is adjusting his price accordingly
I thought that before the appointment of McLeish!
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 07, 2021, 06:28:28 PM
If it’s Gerrard, can we please remain from calling him Stevie G.
We'll just call him Phil Collins instead.
I can't imagine Stevie G singing about "Another Day in Paradise".
Another Day in Tannadice
Post by: The Edge on November 07, 2021, 06:32:11 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 07, 2021, 06:32:21 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 06:33:55 PM
Post by: Risso on November 07, 2021, 06:34:27 PM
I like what Graham Potter is doing at Brighton. He's also a villa fan.
I like him too, but a bit concerned that another Villa fan after one has just left might look a bit, I don't know, small time?
Post by: caster troy on November 07, 2021, 06:35:10 PM
Post by: john e on November 07, 2021, 06:35:27 PM
Don’t know whether we’ll wake up to Adidas Santiago or Woolworths own brand football boots
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 06:35:53 PM
Post by: Risso on November 07, 2021, 06:38:23 PM
Susodio.
First job would be for him to try to get Kalinic out on a permanent deal. Might not be easy though, You Can't Hurry Lovre.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 06:39:24 PM
Susodio.
First job would be for him to try to get Kalinic out on a permanent deal. Might not be easy though, You Can't Hurry Lovre.
Excellent work.
Post by: LeeB on November 07, 2021, 06:41:13 PM
Susodio.
First job would be for him to try to get Kalinic out on a permanent deal. Might not be easy though, You Can't Hurry Lovre.
They're already on this mate, they've put him on the next flight back. He'll be Coming In The Air Tonight
Post by: Mister E on November 07, 2021, 06:43:01 PM
Good historical reference there! ;) Life certainly wouldn't be dull with Simone!Nina??
I thought he was a 5-3-2 merchant?
Post by: CT Villan on November 07, 2021, 06:43:35 PM
Another dayAndy Gray in Tannadice
FTFY
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 07, 2021, 06:46:18 PM
I don't reckon taking another Premier League manager would look small time.The Internet is awash with idiotswho don't realise that Brighton/Southampton to Villa is a step up.
;D
Post by: ozzjim on November 07, 2021, 06:49:32 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 07, 2021, 06:50:34 PM
Potter would be the best appointment for the evolution of where we are in my opinion, I just don't think we can get him. Although, the top 4-6 are not changing soon so it might be worth throwing the sink at it to get him before he kicks on, I think he's at least a Rodgers level manager.
I agree.
Post by: Damo70 on November 07, 2021, 06:51:39 PM
Why the hell are Ralph Hassenhuttl's odds so low?
The market for next manager betting is a small market. People don't tend to bet on it much. For example if I put
a grand on Lampard tonight that one bet of mine in itself would almost be enough to change the market odds. One big bet on Hasenhuttl could drive the odds on him down to a clear favourite for the job.
Post by: murgsy on November 07, 2021, 06:52:39 PM
Post by: ozzjim on November 07, 2021, 06:53:12 PM
Not convinced Kasper the friendly ghost is the way forward at all.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 07, 2021, 06:53:28 PM
It’s all very exciting though like Christmas Eve in the 70s
Don’t know whether we’ll wake up to Adidas Santiago or Woolworths own brand football boots
I asked for a Raleigh Grifter and got a Halfords own brand copy of a Chopper. Hopefully the new manager will be less disappointing.
Post by: john e on November 07, 2021, 06:55:25 PM
It’s all very exciting though like Christmas Eve in the 70s
Don’t know whether we’ll wake up to Adidas Santiago or Woolworths own brand football boots
I asked for a Raleigh Grifter and got a Halfords own brand copy of a Chopper. Hopefully the new manager will be less disappointing.
You never really get over it do ya
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 07, 2021, 06:56:08 PM
NSWE/Purslow got the right man the last time around so until they show me they can’t make good decisions then I’m backing them to choose the right man for us again now
Post by: john2710 on November 07, 2021, 06:58:24 PM
We should be beyond the point where we take hopeful punts on unproven or limited experienced managers. Our options are no longer restricted because of low budgets or low expectations.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 07, 2021, 06:58:40 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 07, 2021, 06:59:11 PM
Post by: Damo70 on November 07, 2021, 06:59:21 PM
Joachim Lowe 25/1
Getting him would be a massive coup.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 07, 2021, 07:01:24 PM
NSWE/Purslow got the right man the last time around so until they show me they can’t make good decisions then I’m backing them to choose the right man for us again now
Agreed (as long as it's not Gerrard) ;)
Post by: LukeJames on November 07, 2021, 07:01:53 PM
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2021, 07:02:02 PM
Joachim Lowe 25/1
Getting him would be a massive coup.
Hope not, as that would mean it was 2006 and I wouldn't be of legal drinking age - and then how would I get through all this?
Post by: chrisw1 on November 07, 2021, 07:02:53 PM
Post by: steamer on November 07, 2021, 07:03:01 PM
This is what makes me laugh about the new manager debate, so many are saying ‘x’ would be a disaster but ‘y’ would be brilliant. We have zero clue. A name, a former player, foreign, British, a current top manager (within reason of who we could realistically get) doesn’t automatically = success
NSWE/Purslow got the right man the last time around so until they show me they can’t make good decisions then I’m backing them to choose the right man for us again now
This sounds right for me
no messages from Sir Alex or Doug looking down the back of his Sofa for a few pennies and a cut price bargain
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 07, 2021, 07:03:09 PM
Joachim Low 25/1
For the finger sniffing alone it would be entertaining
Post by: Demitri_C on November 07, 2021, 07:03:35 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 07, 2021, 07:05:06 PM
he wouldn't want to sniff mineJoachim Low 25/1
For the finger sniffing alone it would be entertaining
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 07:06:36 PM
This is what makes me laugh about the new manager debate, so many are saying ‘x’ would be a disaster but ‘y’ would be brilliant. We have zero clue. A name, a former player, foreign, British, a current top manager (within reason of who we could realistically get) doesn’t automatically = success
NSWE/Purslow got the right man the last time around so until they show me they can’t make good decisions then I’m backing them to choose the right man for us again now
I hope you're right. But if they appoint Gerrard, Lampard or Terry, it will show that they have less of a clue than us. Or, indeed, than any six year old who has ever read "Shoot!" magazine.
They should be looking to appoint someone who makes the world sit up and take notice, not Sherwood mark II.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 07, 2021, 07:06:58 PM
Joachim Lowe 25/1
Getting him would be a massive coup.
Hope not, as that would mean it was 2006 and I wouldn't be of legal drinking age - and then how would I get through all this?
Bloody hell, Monty, I had you down as 70+ fella. ;)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 07, 2021, 07:08:03 PM
What about AVB?
Semi-retired.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 07, 2021, 07:08:04 PM
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2021, 07:09:05 PM
Joachim Lowe 25/1
Getting him would be a massive coup.
Hope not, as that would mean it was 2006 and I wouldn't be of legal drinking age - and then how would I get through all this?
Bloody hell, Monty, I had you down as 70+ fella. ;)
Ha, thanks to the Villa I look and feel like that.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 07, 2021, 07:09:21 PM
Joachim Low 25/1
I think if I was Smith, this would make me have to think, "blimey, can't really argue with that".
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 07, 2021, 07:09:28 PM
Wasn't we linked with Thierry Henry before?Summer before Bruce was sacked
Post by: enigma on November 07, 2021, 07:09:34 PM
Nah.Joachim Lowe 25/1
Getting him would be a massive coup.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on November 07, 2021, 07:11:16 PM
This is what makes me laugh about the new manager debate, so many are saying ‘x’ would be a disaster but ‘y’ would be brilliant. We have zero clue. A name, a former player, foreign, British, a current top manager (within reason of who we could realistically get) doesn’t automatically = success
NSWE/Purslow got the right man the last time around so until they show me they can’t make good decisions then I’m backing them to choose the right man for us again now
I hope you're right. But if they appoint Gerrard, Lampard or Terry, it will show that they have less of a clue than us. Or, indeed, than any six year old who has ever read "Shoot!" magazine.
They should be looking to appoint someone who makes the world sit up and take notice, not Sherwood mark II.
Couldn’t cope if Terry, Lampard or Gerrard were appointed. My tv would be dead within 5 minutes of the start of the first televised game… imagine the constant love-in with Chelsea/Liverpool references!? It was bad enough with Terry as assistant! No thanks.
Has to be Graham Potter for me.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 07:11:17 PM
Nah.Joachim Lowe 25/1
Getting him would be a massive coup.
Massive nah from me.
Post by: john e on November 07, 2021, 07:12:52 PM
This is what makes me laugh about the new manager debate, so many are saying ‘x’ would be a disaster but ‘y’ would be brilliant. We have zero clue. A name, a former player, foreign, British, a current top manager (within reason of who we could realistically get) doesn’t automatically = success
NSWE/Purslow got the right man the last time around so until they show me they can’t make good decisions then I’m backing them to choose the right man for us again now
I admire your confidence
I still think they’ll blow it And will end up with Mr uninspiring
Post by: RichardBatchelor on November 07, 2021, 07:13:57 PM
Joachim Low 25/1
No thanks.
Great manager, but his day has surely passed.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 07, 2021, 07:14:17 PM
I honestly don't want Gerrard, but we've no idea if he will be as shit as everyone suggests. There's a reasonable chance he would be pretty decent. I don't like the idea of the scouse love in but I think I'd prefer him to, for example, the Danish fella who doesn't seem to have done anything.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 07, 2021, 07:16:09 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 07, 2021, 07:16:41 PM
Any odds on Diego Martinez?Who?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 07:17:53 PM
Terry would be nuts as he's untested. Lampard did pretty well at Derby and not too bad at Chelsea. Whatever your analysis of Scottish football Gerrard has done as well as he possibly can there.
I honestly don't want Gerrard, but we've no idea if he will be as shit as everyone suggests. There's a reasonable chance he would be pretty decent. I don't like the idea of the scouse love in but I think I'd prefer him to, for example, the Danish fella who doesn't seem to have done anything.
He absolutely has not done as well as he possibly can there. See posts by cdbullyweefan, passim.
Post by: LukeJames on November 07, 2021, 07:18:15 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 07, 2021, 07:18:32 PM
Joint managers Diego Simeone and Robert Martinez😉Any odds on Diego Martinez?Who?
Post by: Dave P on November 07, 2021, 07:18:45 PM
Any odds on Diego Martinez?
He’s 16/1 on skybet but I've never heard of him.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 07, 2021, 07:18:54 PM
This is what makes me laugh about the new manager debate, so many are saying ‘x’ would be a disaster but ‘y’ would be brilliant. We have zero clue. A name, a former player, foreign, British, a current top manager (within reason of who we could realistically get) doesn’t automatically = success
NSWE/Purslow got the right man the last time around so until they show me they can’t make good decisions then I’m backing them to choose the right man for us again now
I admire your confidence
I still think they’ll blow it And will end up with Mr uninspiring
Based on what? Your own gut feeling?
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 07, 2021, 07:19:58 PM
Ex Granada coach.Any odds on Diego Martinez?
He’s 16/1 on skybet but I've never heard of him.
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2021, 07:21:01 PM
Any odds on Diego Martinez?
That's just a randomly generated Spanish manager name. Does he wear a black turtleneck, and did he once manage Valencia three times in one season?
Post by: john e on November 07, 2021, 07:22:01 PM
This is what makes me laugh about the new manager debate, so many are saying ‘x’ would be a disaster but ‘y’ would be brilliant. We have zero clue. A name, a former player, foreign, British, a current top manager (within reason of who we could realistically get) doesn’t automatically = success
NSWE/Purslow got the right man the last time around so until they show me they can’t make good decisions then I’m backing them to choose the right man for us again now
I admire your confidence
I still think they’ll blow it And will end up with Mr uninspiring
Based on what? Your own gut feeling?
Yep sorry to be so negative
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 07:22:27 PM
Post by: Dave P on November 07, 2021, 07:24:41 PM
Ex Granada coach.Any odds on Diego Martinez?
He’s 16/1 on skybet but I've never heard of him.
Sound. And what about the coach from Radio Rentals or Rumbelows?
Post by: LeeB on November 07, 2021, 07:26:11 PM
Ex Granada coach.Any odds on Diego Martinez?
He’s 16/1 on skybet but I've never heard of him.
Sound. And what about the coach from Radio Rentals or Rumbelows?
Tyne Tees and Anglia coaches could make a case.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 07, 2021, 07:32:47 PM
Ex Granada coach.Any odds on Diego Martinez?
He’s 16/1 on skybet but I've never heard of him.
Will the board have the vision to hire him?
Post by: Beard82 on November 07, 2021, 07:34:35 PM
I think a lot of us are feeling a bit deflated about this now. It feels like the end of another false dawn - hopefully its notThis is what makes me laugh about the new manager debate, so many are saying ‘x’ would be a disaster but ‘y’ would be brilliant. We have zero clue. A name, a former player, foreign, British, a current top manager (within reason of who we could realistically get) doesn’t automatically = success
NSWE/Purslow got the right man the last time around so until they show me they can’t make good decisions then I’m backing them to choose the right man for us again now
I admire your confidence
I still think they’ll blow it And will end up with Mr uninspiring
Based on what? Your own gut feeling?
Yep sorry to be so negative
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 07, 2021, 07:37:53 PM
This is what makes me laugh about the new manager debate, so many are saying ‘x’ would be a disaster but ‘y’ would be brilliant. We have zero clue. A name, a former player, foreign, British, a current top manager (within reason of who we could realistically get) doesn’t automatically = success
NSWE/Purslow got the right man the last time around so until they show me they can’t make good decisions then I’m backing them to choose the right man for us again now
I admire your confidence
I still think they’ll blow it And will end up with Mr uninspiring
Quite possible mate. Unfortunately I’m nowhere near close enough to the inner training circles and modern coaching. So to judge for sure who would work and who wouldn’t is almost impossible. It’s risk attached regardless plus perceptions change.
If this had happened 2 seasons ago and we were linked to Moyes we would mostly have said hell no he’s crap - now he’s flying. Shows if the club setup is right it and they have the right coach/manager it can work extremely well even if that person isn’t popular at first
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 07, 2021, 07:39:03 PM
Any odds on Diego Martinez?
He’s 16/1 on skybet but I've never heard of him.
Skybet have got Colin Wanker at 50/1 for us !
Post by: Rudy65 on November 07, 2021, 07:41:11 PM
This is what makes me laugh about the new manager debate, so many are saying ‘x’ would be a disaster but ‘y’ would be brilliant. We have zero clue. A name, a former player, foreign, British, a current top manager (within reason of who we could realistically get) doesn’t automatically = success
NSWE/Purslow got the right man the last time around so until they show me they can’t make good decisions then I’m backing them to choose the right man for us again now
I hope you're right. But if they appoint Gerrard, Lampard or Terry, it will show that they have less of a clue than us. Or, indeed, than any six year old who has ever read "Shoot!" magazine.
They should be looking to appoint someone who makes the world sit up and take notice, not Sherwood mark II.
Easy to dismiss suggestions. Who then?
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 07:44:21 PM
This is what makes me laugh about the new manager debate, so many are saying ‘x’ would be a disaster but ‘y’ would be brilliant. We have zero clue. A name, a former player, foreign, British, a current top manager (within reason of who we could realistically get) doesn’t automatically = success
NSWE/Purslow got the right man the last time around so until they show me they can’t make good decisions then I’m backing them to choose the right man for us again now
I hope you're right. But if they appoint Gerrard, Lampard or Terry, it will show that they have less of a clue than us. Or, indeed, than any six year old who has ever read "Shoot!" magazine.
They should be looking to appoint someone who makes the world sit up and take notice, not Sherwood mark II.
Easy to dismiss suggestions. Who then?
Would be happy with Fonseca, Favre or ten Hag.
Would settle for Potter.
Still, Purslow should have a far greater football knowledge than me and be able to consider plenty of brilliant candidates who I might never have heard of. Seeing as that's his job. Gerrard, Lampard or Terry would be unbelievably lazy choices.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 07, 2021, 07:46:22 PM
Any odds on Diego Martinez?
That's just a randomly generated Spanish manager name. Does he wear a black turtleneck, and did he once manage Valencia three times in one season?
Oh Monty! He's the Coach being lined up to replace Bielsa at the end of the season. The Chosen One. He's learning English and spending this season studying the PL.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on November 07, 2021, 07:46:44 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 07, 2021, 07:48:53 PM
A manager like low can attract superstars to the club. I doubt we could attract him but if he was interested he is definitely someone we should look at.
Post by: Ads on November 07, 2021, 07:49:45 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 07, 2021, 07:51:47 PM
Cant believe people are turning their noses at low. He would be a unbelievable coup. One of the best German national sides in numerous years. Made them absolute beasts defensively and organised. Hard working and a huge name.This is the internet, everyone knows better :)
A manager like low can attract superstars to the club. I doubt we could attract him but if he was interested he is definitely someone we should look at.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 07:53:45 PM
Post by: tony scott on November 07, 2021, 07:54:43 PM
Post by: AGRIPPA on November 07, 2021, 07:55:10 PM
Sky will milk it being open until there is a man appointed, simply to drive skybet.
They no longer own Skybet
Post by: sickbeggar on November 07, 2021, 07:55:27 PM
Post by: enigma on November 07, 2021, 07:55:59 PM
Cant believe people are turning their noses at low. He would be a unbelievable coup. One of the best German national sides in numerous years. Made them absolute beasts defensively and organised. Hard working and a huge name.Your reasoning is years out of date.
A manager like low can attract superstars to the club. I doubt we could attract him but if he was interested he is definitely someone we should look at.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 07, 2021, 07:57:13 PM
One of four Germans to win a World Cup. The only German ever to be knocked out in the Group Stage. Busted flush. Better than The Three Bellends, obviously, but that's about it.
It's a no from me too.
Also as CDBWF pointed out earlier the Danish manager's record at club level is nothing to write home about so to me that would be a massive gamble.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 07, 2021, 07:58:16 PM
We're more likely to get John Lowe than Joachim low.
More likely to get Julian Joachim
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 07:59:35 PM
One of four Germans to win a World Cup. The only German ever to be knocked out in the Group Stage. Busted flush. Better than The Three Bellends, obviously, but that's about it.
It's a no from me too.
Also as CDBWF pointed out earlier the Danish manager's record at club level is nothing to write home about so to me that would be a massive gamble.
Did I? I don't remember that.
Post by: Mister E on November 07, 2021, 08:00:01 PM
Cant believe people are turning their noses at low. He would be a unbelievable coup. One of the best German national sides in numerous years. Made them absolute beasts defensively and organised. Hard working and a huge name.He won't be interested - he makes loadsa money as a German porn star.
A manager like low can attract superstars to the club. I doubt we could attract him but if he was interested he is definitely someone we should look at.
Post by: villabear on November 07, 2021, 08:00:07 PM
It’s all very exciting though like Christmas Eve in the 70s
Don’t know whether we’ll wake up to Adidas Santiago or Woolworths own brand football boots
I asked for a Raleigh Grifter and got a Halfords own brand copy of a Chopper. Hopefully the new manager will be less disappointing.
It’s all very exciting though like Christmas Eve in the 70s
Don’t know whether we’ll wake up to Adidas Santiago or Woolworths own brand football boots
I asked for a Raleigh Grifter and got a Halfords own brand copy of a Chopper. Hopefully the new manager will be less disappointing.
You never really get over it do ya
I thought I was getting a Raleigh Chopper only to find my tight arse Dad has bought a second hand one and repainted it himself. I mean it wasn’t like no one would take the piss cos kids aren’t the cruelest people around eh?
Post by: Rudy65 on November 07, 2021, 08:00:55 PM
Post by: Steve67 on November 07, 2021, 08:02:13 PM
Cant believe people are turning their noses at low. He would be a unbelievable coup. One of the best German national sides in numerous years. Made them absolute beasts defensively and organised. Hard working and a huge name.He won't be interested - he makes loadsa money as a German porn star.
A manager like low can attract superstars to the club. I doubt we could attract him but if he was interested he is definitely someone we should look at.
I'm struggling to see past the pooey finger smelling episode.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 07, 2021, 08:02:19 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 07, 2021, 08:02:49 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 07, 2021, 08:06:07 PM
Gerrard odds shrinking
Shit!
Post by: Risso on November 07, 2021, 08:06:45 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 08:07:28 PM
This is what makes me laugh about the new manager debate, so many are saying ‘x’ would be a disaster but ‘y’ would be brilliant. We have zero clue. A name, a former player, foreign, British, a current top manager (within reason of who we could realistically get) doesn’t automatically = success
NSWE/Purslow got the right man the last time around so until they show me they can’t make good decisions then I’m backing them to choose the right man for us again now
I hope you're right. But if they appoint Gerrard, Lampard or Terry, it will show that they have less of a clue than us. Or, indeed, than any six year old who has ever read "Shoot!" magazine.
They should be looking to appoint someone who makes the world sit up and take notice, not Sherwood mark II.
The thing is none of us know whether a proven manager will succeed or fail, any more than an unproven one. Take Spurs who have churned through all sorts from the most proven to some punts in the past 20 years and won fuck all. It all comes down to what a manager inherits, how he utilizes what he has, and how he transforms the squad with the resources provided to him. For fans some appointments will give us great confidence, others much less so, but in truth much of that will based on emotion and on performances we have viewed from afar, in often very different circumstances. For example, I don’t know if the bloke at Ajax can quickly turn things around or does he need two years for his system to bed in. Any more than Remi Garde who had done well at Lyon, who many thought could right the ship, but came in and was a complete disaster from the off making things much worse.
Right now we need a spark to stop the slide and someone who can get good players playing to their potential again. Get out of danger is a must.
Post by: ozzjim on November 07, 2021, 08:09:06 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 07, 2021, 08:10:53 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 07, 2021, 08:11:06 PM
Also as CDBWF pointed out earlier the Danish manager's record at club level is nothing to write home about so to me that would be a massive gamble.
Did I? I don't remember that.
Pretty sure it was mentioned earlier amidst today's flurry of posts. Must have thought it was you because it was a good point (but maybe it was someone else).
Post by: London Villan on November 07, 2021, 08:11:12 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 07, 2021, 08:11:41 PM
That doesn't mean anything other than people are betting on him.
I know it's just the thought of going from a Villa manager with so much class to one that has none.
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2021, 08:12:28 PM
Any odds on Diego Martinez?
That's just a randomly generated Spanish manager name. Does he wear a black turtleneck, and did he once manage Valencia three times in one season?
Oh Monty! He's the Coach being lined up to replace Bielsa at the end of the season. The Chosen One. He's learning English and spending this season studying the PL.
Well! Get him in then, sounds like the man of the moment.
Post by: Risso on November 07, 2021, 08:14:42 PM
Post by: Richard E on November 07, 2021, 08:16:12 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 07, 2021, 08:17:51 PM
Post by: steamer on November 07, 2021, 08:21:09 PM
which is probably why he has not been bulleted
i hope Deans repl
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 08:27:03 PM
I just think Gerrard would be Houllier MK2 with greater fawning of the red bit of Merseyside.
Has he done that while at Rangers? I’m asking as I don’t know. Will the media do it if he managed us or anyone else when he manages against them? Of course. And it would be obnoxious. But would it stop him from being the best he could be for us or someone else? John Terry, Mr Chelsea was hugely devoted to us and he’s every bit to them as Gerrard would be to Liverpool. In the end I’m only interested in if he’s the best candidate for us. Not any of the outside nonsense
Post by: steamer on November 07, 2021, 08:28:11 PM
which is probably why he has not been bulleted
i hope Deans replacement is a bit more inspired
No to Gerrard, Lampard. Martinez, Southgate . Maybe Woy till end of season until the Big one is available
However, Mancini for me, but would any successful international manager give up the chance of going to the world cup with their team ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 07, 2021, 08:28:56 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 07, 2021, 08:30:14 PM
At least Gerrard has some experience of managing a big football team, even if it is only in the duopoly of Scottish football.
Yeah I get that, but then again, McLeish.
Post by: enigma on November 07, 2021, 08:31:02 PM
i doubt it was Dean who appointed " our long-haired Pulis-ball genius."Mancini won't come. He lobbied hard to get the Italy job. It's his dream job and he took it with the stated aim of winning the World Cup. No way would he walk out on them now.
which is probably why he has not been bulleted
i hope Deans replacement is a bit more inspired
No to Gerrard, Lampard. Martinez, Southgate . Maybe Woy till end of season until the Big one is available
However, Mancini for me, but would any successful international manager give up the chance of going to the world cup with their team ?
Post by: Risso on November 07, 2021, 08:31:44 PM
At least Gerrard has some experience of managing a big football team, even if it is only in the duopoly of Scottish football.
Yeah I get that, but then again, McLeish.
Rodgers did well up there and has continued it with Leicester. I'll mention the other manager through gritted teeth if you make me!
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 07, 2021, 08:33:15 PM
That's probably closest appointment in prem similar to if we get Gerrard in given his status as a player, managing in MLS which is worse than SPL and his record in a big league at Nice was indifferent.
Yet currently I'd say Palace are one of most exciting teams to watch in premier league and they've done that significantly reducing age of their first 11 doing it. Could've easily had another 4-5 points on the board and could comfortably beat us in a few weeks.
That's example of giving untested prem manager a go (as he wasn't even their first choice) but they made some really intelligent signings, have a core of experience and capable prem players and so it's a good fit for where he is in his managerial career.
Our squad is average in some areas but there are some really good players in it aswell so just think we need some new direction on a daily basis and eventually we'll see it again on matchday.
Post by: Ian. on November 07, 2021, 08:35:13 PM
Post by: The_ads on November 07, 2021, 08:35:33 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 07, 2021, 08:36:09 PM
At least Gerrard has some experience of managing a big football team, even if it is only in the duopoly of Scottish football.
Yeah I get that, but then again, McLeish.
Billy McNeill. Quite rightly an absolute legend for his success as player and manager... in Scotland.
Post by: Risso on November 07, 2021, 08:36:55 PM
Out of interest what would people have said if we'd appointed Patrick Vieria in the summer if we'd made the managerial change earlier?
That's probably closest appointment in prem similar to if we get Gerrard in given his status as a player, managing in MLS which is worse than SPL and his record in a big league at Nice was indifferent.
Yet currently I'd say Palace are one of most exciting teams to watch in premier league and they've done that significantly reducing age of their first 11 doing it. Could've easily had another 4-5 points on the board and could comfortably beat us in a few weeks.
That's example of giving untested prem manager a go (as he wasn't even their first choice) but they made some really intelligent signings, have a core of experience and capable prem players and so it's a good fit for where he is in his managerial career.
Our squad is average in some areas but there are some really good players in it aswell so just think we need some new direction on a daily basis and eventually we'll see it again on matchday.
That's a fair point. He's done much better so far than I thought he would. New manager, no real experience, lots of older players out of contract, but seems to have galvanised them and got them playing.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 07, 2021, 08:37:00 PM
Out of interest what would people have said if we'd appointed Patrick Vieria in the summer if we'd made the managerial change earlier?
That's probably closest appointment in prem similar to if we get Gerrard in given his status as a player, managing in MLS which is worse than SPL and his record in a big league at Nice was indifferent.
Yet currently I'd say Palace are one of most exciting teams to watch in premier league and they've done that significantly reducing age of their first 11 doing it. Could've easily had another 4-5 points on the board and could comfortably beat us in a few weeks.
That's example of giving untested prem manager a go (as he wasn't even their first choice) but they made some really intelligent signings, have a core of experience and capable prem players and so it's a good fit for where he is in his managerial career.
Our squad is average in some areas but there are some really good players in it aswell so just think we need some new direction on a daily basis and eventually we'll see it again on matchday.
Spot on
Post by: London Villan on November 07, 2021, 08:37:30 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 08:38:45 PM
Out of interest what would people have said if we'd appointed Patrick Vieria in the summer if we'd made the managerial change earlier?
That's probably closest appointment in prem similar to if we get Gerrard in given his status as a player, managing in MLS which is worse than SPL and his record in a big league at Nice was indifferent.
Yet currently I'd say Palace are one of most exciting teams to watch in premier league and they've done that significantly reducing age of their first 11 doing it. Could've easily had another 4-5 points on the board and could comfortably beat us in a few weeks.
That's example of giving untested prem manager a go (as he wasn't even their first choice) but they made some really intelligent signings, have a core of experience and capable prem players and so it's a good fit for where he is in his managerial career.
Our squad is average in some areas but there are some really good players in it aswell so just think we need some new direction on a daily basis and eventually we'll see it again on matchday.
Let's see where Palace finish before we start congratulating them on appointing Vieira. But, in any case, even if he's successful he's still a gamble. A good player can make a good manager, of course, but many don't. For every Guardiola there's a Sherwood.
We should be reducing the chance of failure as much as possible, by appointing a proven manager. And we should be recruiting at a higher level than poxy Crystal Palace.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 07, 2021, 08:39:02 PM
Post by: The_ads on November 07, 2021, 08:40:01 PM
Its more the dislike of gerrard, rather than his limited experience, i have a problem with.
A lot of people (I’m staring at Dave Woodhall here) disliked John Terry before he came and he couldn’t have conducted himself better. Absolutely first class the minute he walked in to the minute he left
Post by: olaftab on November 07, 2021, 08:40:38 PM
Rodgers did well up there and has continued it with Leicester. I'll mention the other manager through gritted teeth if you make me!Yes but...Rodgers had done very well at Swansea and Liverpool before going up there. That experience has helped him more than SPL stint at Leicester IMO.
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2021, 08:42:54 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 07, 2021, 08:44:31 PM
Its more the dislike of gerrard, rather than his limited experience, i have a problem with.
That's fair enough. But then Terry signing didn't go down well on here (I didn't want us signing him) but he kept his head down on and off the pitch and didn't give us any negative headlines.
My main issue with Gerrard is I just think it will be another Houllier situation especially if Liverpool beat us 3 or 4 nil so will have uphill battle to win over fanbase if he gives a bad interview in that scenario.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 07, 2021, 08:45:37 PM
Nobody has managed to use us as a stepping stone for the last 25(?) years?
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 08:46:56 PM
One thing I would say for Gerrard is that plenty of players would want to play and learn off him. For any young midfielder he would be a wet dream.
Yes, just like all those forwards learned off Diego Maradona during his incredibly successful managerial career.
You are coming out with exactly the kind of fanwank that I'm terrified we will have to put up with if we appoint the diving, DJ-beating wanker.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 07, 2021, 08:48:00 PM
Cant believe people are turning their noses at low. He would be a unbelievable coup. One of the best German national sides in numerous years. Made them absolute beasts defensively and organised. Hard working and a huge name.Your reasoning is years out of date.
A manager like low can attract superstars to the club. I doubt we could attract him but if he was interested he is definitely someone we should look at.
Thats a matter of opinion not fact
Post by: olaftab on November 07, 2021, 08:50:11 PM
No only Djemba did. Djemba is selling timeshares in La Palma. Property is hot there currently.I reckon they will go for Terry and Lampard.
Nobody ever goes for co-managers and neither would agree to be an assistant manager (Terry just left because he didn't want to be an assistant manager any more). So that won't happen.
If it did happen, though, would bookies pay out on both or neither?
Who were the last co-managers, Houllier and Evans? An utter disaster.
Did Djemba and Djemba ever go into management?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 07, 2021, 08:52:23 PM
One thing I would say for Gerrard is that plenty of players would want to play and learn off him. For any young midfielder he would be a wet dream.
Yes, just like all those forwards learned off Diego Maradona during his incredibly successful managerial career.
You are coming out with exactly the kind of fanwank that I'm terrified we will have to put up with if we appoint the diving, DJ-beating wanker.
I’m telling you what young players would think about being coached by someone like that. No fan wank at all. Like Viera, as much as it’s not flavoursome for us as fans the players think differently
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 08:54:22 PM
It's fanwank.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 08:54:24 PM
Post by: olaftab on November 07, 2021, 08:54:34 PM
Post by: Dazvillain on November 07, 2021, 08:54:53 PM
Its more the dislike of gerrard, rather than his limited experience, i have a problem with.
A lot of people (I’m staring at Dave Woodhall here) disliked John Terry before he came and he couldn’t have conducted himself better. Absolutely first class the minute he walked in to the minute he left
Its more the dislike of gerrard, rather than his limited experience, i have a problem with.
A lot of people (I’m staring at Dave Woodhall here) disliked John Terry before he came and he couldn’t have conducted himself better. Absolutely first class the minute he walked in to the minute he left
Terry / Lampard combo ?
Post by: Dazvillain on November 07, 2021, 08:55:13 PM
What does Percy say?Gerrard
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 08:56:19 PM
Post by: Richard E on November 07, 2021, 08:56:44 PM
What does Percy say?Gerrard
Or Hasenhuttl.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 08:57:03 PM
I apologise in advance for shouting. NO LAMPARD AND NO FUCKING TERRY!
Ahem. AND NO FUCKING GERRARD.
As you were.
Post by: olaftab on November 07, 2021, 08:57:14 PM
Thanks. That's very worrying.What does Percy say?Gerrard
Post by: PeterWithe on November 07, 2021, 08:57:26 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 08:57:28 PM
What does Percy say?Gerrard
Or Hasenhuttl.
Wonder who we will lose 9-0 to?
Post by: Richard E on November 07, 2021, 08:57:59 PM
I apologise in advance for shouting. NO LAMPARD AND NO FUCKING TERRY!
It’s not us you need to warn off fucking Terry, it’s team mates’ wives*
*allegedly
Post by: Dazvillain on November 07, 2021, 08:58:16 PM
Post by: Richard E on November 07, 2021, 08:58:37 PM
What does Percy say?Gerrard
Or Hasenhuttl.
Wonder who we will lose 9-0 to?
Our FA Youth Cup winning side.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 08:59:02 PM
What formation does Gerrard play at Rangers?
They all stand behind each other holding flutes.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 07, 2021, 08:59:19 PM
Post by: Dazvillain on November 07, 2021, 08:59:53 PM
What formation does Gerrard play at Rangers?I’ve read 4-3-3 today but still with emphasis on his 2 fullbacks bombing forward , which he has them doing to great effect
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 07, 2021, 09:01:10 PM
We're supposed to be after a manager nailed on better than Smith. Gerrard would be Billy Mcneil replacing Turner all over again.Jesus wept...
Let's have Deano back in a few years time to get us promoted again a la Graham Taylor!
Post by: villadelph on November 07, 2021, 09:01:38 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 07, 2021, 09:01:52 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 07, 2021, 09:05:01 PM
It's basically just a rehash of the nonsensical good player = good manager argument, with added Liverpool fawning.
Ignoring the fact I think he's a massive tw*t, I could understand it if Gerrard had his team playing attractive football and it was only a question of time before he stepped in at a PL club but from the limited amount I've seen of Rangers, they're very much huff and puff. The other thing is how much coaching does he actually do and would he plan to bring Gary Mac with him.
I think he's more Pullis than Rodgers.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 07, 2021, 09:07:21 PM
It's basically just a rehash of the nonsensical good player = good manager argument, with added Liverpool fawning.
Ignoring the fact I think he's a massive tw*t, I could understand it if Gerrard had his team playing attractive football and it was only a question of time before he stepped in at a PL club but from the limited amount I've seen of Rangers, they're very much huff and puff. The other thing is how much coaching does he actually do and would he plan to bring Gary Mac with him.
I think he's more Pullis than Rodgers.
Yeah no idea on what type of football he plays tbh. At least with ones managing in prem you know thr pros and cons of what Lampard, Nuno or Hasenhuttl teams produced.
What's his record in europe like again? I think he got Rangers to last 16 of europa a season or so back which isn't too bad nowadays and that's a better judge of what they look like v decent continential teams.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 09:07:57 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 09:09:03 PM
Thanks. That's very worrying.What does Percy say?Gerrard
Percy said he’d be someone the club will look at along with Hasenhuttl. There is nothing to suggest with any degree of certainty it will be either of them.
Post by: Steve67 on November 07, 2021, 09:11:44 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 07, 2021, 09:16:02 PM
However im not sure he would be the right fit for us.
There is literally no british coach barring rodgers, moyes or maybe potter that i would take. Cant see any of them lwaving their clubs.
Hence why two options would be favre and fonseca
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 07, 2021, 09:16:31 PM
Gerrard is managing in the equivalent of mid-table Championship level. He's also in a two horse race with a broken Celtic and has only been in the Scottish Prem for what, two seasons? It would be a massive gamble by Purslow and Villa to take him. Other than a bit of European experience, Gerrard is in no way ready to come to the Premier Division in England. Surely, Christian Purslow isn't that daft and NSWE would want a more experienced man in charge.
Loads of owners/CEOs are seduced by big name players. NSWE originally wanted Henry and that would've been a disaster.
Reminds me of years back when Boro got in Bryan Robson. Was a buzz about them for a few years signing Ravanelli and Juninho and getting to those cup finals but all fizzled out in the end and he didn't do much elsewhere as a manager, was apparently too soft from what I read in one of Paul Merson's books compared to likes of Wenger.
Post by: Gary Penrice on November 07, 2021, 09:23:59 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 09:24:45 PM
Hopefully Gerrard will stay at Rangers. His work's not finished up there. Carry on breaking the hater's hearts Stevie G! ;D
I'm not a Time Lord.
Post by: nick harper on November 07, 2021, 09:28:16 PM
We absolutely need a new manager bounce.
Post by: Risso on November 07, 2021, 09:30:11 PM
I would much rather have someone with premier league experience as a manager. We’re in a tailspin at the moment and bringing someone in who has to find their feet in this league may well make it harder to turn things around.
We absolutely need a new manager bounce.
Premier League experience would severely limit the choices though. We've got a good squad, full of internationals, and a decent manager should be able to get them top half, regardless of where he's managed before.
Post by: olaftab on November 07, 2021, 09:30:27 PM
We're supposed to be after a manager nailed on better than Smith. Gerrard would be Billy Mcneil replacing Turner all over again.I find that insulting to Dean. Dean is much much better than Turner ever was.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 09:31:28 PM
We're supposed to be after a manager nailed on better than Smith. Gerrard would be Billy Mcneil replacing Turner all over again.I find that insulting to Dean. Dean is much much better than Turner ever was.
Agreed.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 09:31:30 PM
We're supposed to be after a manager nailed on better than Smith. Gerrard would be Billy Mcneil replacing Turner all over again.I find that insulting to Dean. Dean is much much better than Turner ever was.
That’s a really dreadful comparison
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 09:32:00 PM
Post by: Gary Penrice on November 07, 2021, 09:32:09 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 07, 2021, 09:33:51 PM
Yes, Vieira appears to be doing well for Palace, but an appointment like that is like buying a lottery ticket rather than a pension policy. We're above all that.
It’s all a lottery, you can appoint someone with an unsurpassed CV and it just might not happen for a variety of reasons.
If we’re going for a proven manager but with plenty of big game experience, brings through youth, tactically astute but still with something to prove and on an upward curve it’d be Marcello Gallardo.
Edit. It won’t be him but he’ll be at a big European club soon.
Post by: Dave P on November 07, 2021, 09:38:17 PM
What does Percy say?Gerrard
Or Hasenhuttl.
Wonder who we will lose 9-0 to?
Southampton
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 07, 2021, 09:40:21 PM
What formation does Gerrard play at Rangers?
I believe their preferred option is 1-8-0-1.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 07, 2021, 09:40:41 PM
We're supposed to be after a manager nailed on better than Smith. Gerrard would be Billy Mcneil replacing Turner all over again.I find that insulting to Dean. Dean is much much better than Turner ever was.
He's better than Mcneil too. The point is you bring in someone better when you sack a manager
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 07, 2021, 09:42:23 PM
Gerrard is managing in the equivalent of mid-table Championship level. He's also in a two horse race with a broken Celtic and has only been in the Scottish Prem for what, two seasons? It would be a massive gamble by Purslow and Villa to take him. Other than a bit of European experience, Gerrard is in no way ready to come to the Premier Division in England. Surely, Christian Purslow isn't that daft and NSWE would want a more experienced man in charge.
Loads of owners/CEOs are seduced by big name players. NSWE originally wanted Henry and that would've been a disaster.
Reminds me of years back when Boro got in Bryan Robson. Was a buzz about them for a few years signing Ravanelli and Juninho and getting to those cup finals but all fizzled out in the end and he didn't do much elsewhere as a manager, was apparently too soft from what I read in one of Paul Merson's books compared to likes of Wenger.
Your right, our owners wouldnt of had a clue who Dean Smith was, it seemed like they wanted the razzmatazz of Henry, it would of been a car crash so praise must go to Purslow there.
This time i guess it will be Purslow and Lange rather than the owners having anything to do with it. Hopefully it will be quick as days of debating the potential of Stevie G as our manager could be quite depressing.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 09:42:48 PM
What does Percy say?Gerrard
Or Hasenhuttl.
Wonder who we will lose 9-0 to?
Southampton
Gotta be worth a couple of quid.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 07, 2021, 09:46:30 PM
Yes, Vieira appears to be doing well for Palace, but an appointment like that is like buying a lottery ticket rather than a pension policy. We're above all that.
It’s all a lottery, you can appoint someone with an unsurpassed CV and it just might not happen for a variety of reasons.
If we’re going for a proven manager but with plenty of big game experience, brings through youth, tactically astute but still with something to prove and on an upward curve it’d be Marcello Gallardo.
Edit. It won’t be him but he’ll be at a big European club soon.
His contract is up in December so he is definitely off somewhere.
Post by: Des Little on November 07, 2021, 09:48:23 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 07, 2021, 09:49:42 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 07, 2021, 09:50:52 PM
Could be Kasper Hjulmand after all then, if Lange know and gets on with him well enough.Gerrard is managing in the equivalent of mid-table Championship level. He's also in a two horse race with a broken Celtic and has only been in the Scottish Prem for what, two seasons? It would be a massive gamble by Purslow and Villa to take him. Other than a bit of European experience, Gerrard is in no way ready to come to the Premier Division in England. Surely, Christian Purslow isn't that daft and NSWE would want a more experienced man in charge.
Loads of owners/CEOs are seduced by big name players. NSWE originally wanted Henry and that would've been a disaster.
Reminds me of years back when Boro got in Bryan Robson. Was a buzz about them for a few years signing Ravanelli and Juninho and getting to those cup finals but all fizzled out in the end and he didn't do much elsewhere as a manager, was apparently too soft from what I read in one of Paul Merson's books compared to likes of Wenger.
Your right, our owners wouldnt of had a clue who Dean Smith was, it seemed like they wanted the razzmatazz of Henry, it would of been a car crash so praise must go to Purslow there.
This time i guess it will be Purslow and Lange rather than the owners having anything to do with it. Hopefully it will be quick as days of debating the potential of Stevie G as our manager could be quite depressing.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 09:52:04 PM
The list is somewhat underwhelming! I've no idea who I'd want to replace Deano. As stated earlier though,who we get will show how how ambitious the owners are!
Yes but that’s just the list that is media driven versus who could be on the actual list. Managing in the PL is a massive achievement so agents will present names who are currently employed as well as those that aren’t. There will be no shortage of interest in come to B6.
Post by: nigel on November 07, 2021, 09:55:33 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 10:00:52 PM
Post by: nigel on November 07, 2021, 10:05:22 PM
Pellegrini? Hell no
Why?
To be honest I don’t know a lot outside of Villa, so all these names being thrown about I know little, or nothing, about.
I know Pellegrini won the league and cup with ManC, though
Post by: Demitri_C on November 07, 2021, 10:08:08 PM
Post by: Des Little on November 07, 2021, 10:09:26 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on November 07, 2021, 10:10:49 PM
He would need substantial nett wedge regardless of the gross.
Can't see it happening, somehow, although I like the way his teams play.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 10:14:10 PM
Pellegrini? Hell no
Why?
To be honest I don’t know a lot outside of Villa, so all these names being thrown about I know little, or nothing, about.
I know Pellegrini won the league and cup with ManC, though
Look at how it ended up at West Ham. He spent a lot of money and when you look at what Moyes has done with many of those same players, it shows you how poorly Pellegrini did. They were happy to fire him in the end.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 07, 2021, 10:14:38 PM
May as well have Hodgson, Colin Wanker, or Joe Biden throw their zimmers in the ring.
*I'm 65 myself next year which is why I'm ruling myself out of applying.
Post by: nigel on November 07, 2021, 10:17:39 PM
Pellegrini? Hell no
Why?
To be honest I don’t know a lot outside of Villa, so all these names being thrown about I know little, or nothing, about.
I know Pellegrini won the league and cup with ManC, though
Look at how it ended up at West Ham. He spent a lot of money and when you look at what Moyes has done with many of those same players, it shows you how poorly Pellegrini did. They were happy to fire him in the end.
Blimey, I’d forgotten about WHU.
Thanks for putting me right. Like I said, I don’t know much out of Villa 😂
Post by: sickbeggar on November 07, 2021, 10:19:15 PM
Not being ageist* but Pellegrini is 68.
May as well have Hodgson, Colin Wanker, or Joe Biden throw their zimmers in the ring.
*I'm 65 myself next year which is why I'm ruling myself out of applying.
yeah it prompted me to look up what Guus Hiddink was doing now. Retired.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 10:20:48 PM
Not being ageist* but Pellegrini is 68.
May as well have Hodgson, Colin Wanker, or Joe Biden throw their zimmers in the ring.
*I'm 65 myself next year which is why I'm ruling myself out of applying.
Don't be hasty! You're on my list ahead of Gerrard.
Post by: Steve67 on November 07, 2021, 10:22:56 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 10:25:00 PM
Pellegrini? Hell no
Why?
To be honest I don’t know a lot outside of Villa, so all these names being thrown about I know little, or nothing, about.
I know Pellegrini won the league and cup with ManC, though
Look at how it ended up at West Ham. He spent a lot of money and when you look at what Moyes has done with many of those same players, it shows you how poorly Pellegrini did. They were happy to fire him in the end.
Blimey, I’d forgotten about WHU.
Thanks for putting me right. Like I said, I don’t know much out of Villa 😂
Aye. Easy to forget sometimes. But he was there for a bit and it didn’t work out at all. Plus he’s almost 70!
Post by: ozzjim on November 07, 2021, 10:28:13 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 10:28:52 PM
Pellegrini? Hell no
Why?
To be honest I don’t know a lot outside of Villa, so all these names being thrown about I know little, or nothing, about.
I know Pellegrini won the league and cup with ManC, though
Look at how it ended up at West Ham. He spent a lot of money and when you look at what Moyes has done with many of those same players, it shows you how poorly Pellegrini did. They were happy to fire him in the end.
Blimey, I’d forgotten about WHU.
Thanks for putting me right. Like I said, I don’t know much out of Villa 😂
Aye. Easy to forget sometimes. But he was there for a bit and it didn’t work out at all. Plus he’s almost 70!
Not that I'm advocating for Pellegrini, but Moyes was at West Ham before and didn't do brilliantly.
Post by: bilsim on November 07, 2021, 10:29:27 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 10:30:01 PM
Post by: Ian. on November 07, 2021, 10:30:20 PM
Pellegrini? Hell no
Why?
To be honest I don’t know a lot outside of Villa, so all these names being thrown about I know little, or nothing, about.
I know Pellegrini won the league and cup with ManC, though
Look at how it ended up at West Ham. He spent a lot of money and when you look at what Moyes has done with many of those same players, it shows you how poorly Pellegrini did. They were happy to fire him in the end.
Blimey, I’d forgotten about WHU.
Thanks for putting me right. Like I said, I don’t know much out of Villa 😂
Aye. Easy to forget sometimes. But he was there for a bit and it didn’t work out at all. Plus he’s almost 70!
Not that I'm advocating for Pellegrini, but Moyes was at West Ham before and didn't do brilliantly.
Nor am I, but isn’t Moyes mostly playing with Pellegrini’s players?
Post by: adrenachrome on November 07, 2021, 10:32:15 PM
Purslow mentioned 'new Head Coach' in terms of having time to adapt. Are any of the so called big names going to want to be called the Manager and have a bit more control? I wonder if this will create any issues.
I have have raised the same issue in terms of our player recruitment policy.
Established high profile managers won't fancy the gig, if you ask me.
Post by: ozzjim on November 07, 2021, 10:32:54 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 07, 2021, 10:33:12 PM
Bardell seems convinced that it'll be Gerrard. Please God no.
aye its a nightmare. Imagine if he tries to solve our DM/CM problem by shopping up there. :o
Post by: brontebilly on November 07, 2021, 10:33:51 PM
Would any international manager worth his salt come here with a World Cup on the horizon?
Belgium are on the slide...Hazard more interested in pies these days....might be some truth in Martinez alright. I'd say he will be on the shortlist. Always struck me as a bit of a spoofer
I'm surprised they let Shakespeare go today aswell. Must be confident of a quick replacement.
Post by: ozzjim on November 07, 2021, 10:34:19 PM
Bardell seems convinced that it'll be Gerrard. Please God no.
aye its a nightmare. Imagine if he tries to solve our DM/CM problem by shopping up there. :o
That's why you have a director of football.
Post by: LeeB on November 07, 2021, 10:35:53 PM
Bardell seems convinced that it'll be Gerrard. Please God no.
aye its a nightmare. Imagine if he tries to solve our DM/CM problem by shopping up there. :o
That's why you have a director of football.
They'll buy another winger made of glass instead.
Post by: ROBBO on November 07, 2021, 10:46:53 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on November 07, 2021, 10:49:27 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on November 07, 2021, 10:54:02 PM
Problem Gerrard has is coming here is basically shit or bust for the Liverpool job. He has to get us out of trouble comfortably this season, then top 8 next or he will have no chance of that job. It's a gamble. He might be better staying at Rangers, winning lots, of then going to Liverpool.
Me and Mr Shin had this conversation this afternoon. Gerrard becoming manager would be as big a risk for him as it would be for Villa.
Post by: Broadlee on November 07, 2021, 10:54:21 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 07, 2021, 10:57:02 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 10:57:25 PM
Get Gerard and we're getting relegated.
Why? Is he worse than Vieira who has less managerial experience than Gerrard. Is he worse than Ranieri, or Frank, or whoever takes up Norwich? I genuinely don’t get why he’s being perceived as having no managerial talent at all. Again I’m not advocating for him as I hope we cast our net wider, but outside of who he is, who he played for and the media obsession that would follow him what makes him so utterly unqualified?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 11:00:07 PM
Get Gerard and we're getting relegated.
Why? Is he worse than Vieira who has less managerial experience than Gerrard. Is he worse than Ranieri, or Frank, or whoever takes up Norwich? I genuinely don’t get why he’s being perceived as having no managerial talent at all. Again I’m not advocating for him as I hope we cast our net wider, but outside of who he is, who he played for and the media obsession that would follow him what makes him so utterly unqualified?
One trophy in nine while Celtic are in disarray.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 11:00:34 PM
The answer seems to be: good playing career, successfully won half as many trophies as St Johnstone, and that's it.
If it wasn't for his big name, nobody would be suggesting him just as nobody is suggesting Callum Davidson.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 11:01:16 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 11:02:34 PM
Eddie Howe has just come in from nowhere to odds-on with Betfair. Someone must have placed a big bet.
Bit nuts to do that given he’s sat in the stands at the Newcastle game yesterday
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 11:03:17 PM
Eddie Howe has just come in from nowhere to odds-on with Betfair. Someone must have placed a big bet.
Bit nuts to do that given he’s sat in the stands at the Newcastle game yesterday
Yeah, seems pretty unlikely to me. Still 50/1 with SkyBet if anyone thinks something is going on there.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on November 07, 2021, 11:05:23 PM
*EDIT- bit late there! 😂
Post by: ROBBO on November 07, 2021, 11:06:33 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 07, 2021, 11:06:56 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 11:08:02 PM
what about callum Davidson? Won more than gerrard I've heard. Has added"not gerrard" bonus
Get him in! Whoever told you about him must be a wise sage indeed.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 07, 2021, 11:08:56 PM
Eddie Howe now @ 20/21 favourite to be next VILLA manager according to odds checker!
*EDIT- bit late there! 😂
Saw that, worrying!
Post by: sickbeggar on November 07, 2021, 11:09:58 PM
what about callum Davidson? Won more than gerrard I've heard. Has added"not gerrard" bonus
Get him in! Whoever told you about him must be a wise sage indeed.
;)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 07, 2021, 11:10:42 PM
The question should be "what makes it him qualified"?
The answer seems to be: good playing career, successfully won half as many trophies as St Johnstone, and that's it.
If it wasn't for his big name, nobody would be suggesting him just as nobody is suggesting Callum Davidson.
I'm starting to get the impression you'd (almost) prefer Boris Johnson as Villa manager than Stevie G. ;)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 11:11:17 PM
Post by: brontebilly on November 07, 2021, 11:15:17 PM
Eddie Howe feels like a bad idea.
Bad idea for Newcastle, terrible idea for us
Let's not take too much heed of the new manager betting odds (I say that as someone who lost my shirt on laying McLeish to be Villa manager when he went odds on!)
Post by: ozzjim on November 07, 2021, 11:17:05 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 07, 2021, 11:17:07 PM
Terry isn't ready for such a big job, Lampard needs to find something with less pressure to rebuild his reputation and Gerrard comes across as a bit of a dinosaur who can get away with it in a very weak league.
Howe is a no for me and Potter, whilst doing okay, feels a bit "flavour of the month", gives me a similar vibe to when the fans chanted for Lambert.
Going way out there on a gamble Bo Svensson is one to watch, I think he might end up at a very big club in a few years but it would be a bold call right now.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on November 07, 2021, 11:17:17 PM
I know I really don’t want Terry, Lampard or Gerrard but as to who the right person is… not a clue!
Potter maybe, but jury is out on whether that’s more of the same or a potential upgrade?
Post by: RichardBatchelor on November 07, 2021, 11:18:36 PM
Rather have Hasslehoff than Hasenhuttl. Dreary dull football, Presumably will get the gig because he can make Ings work out. Can't see any other reason to employ him.
Hasselhoff would certainly provide some passion and entertainment!
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 11:20:51 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 11:21:38 PM
The question should be "what makes it him qualified"?
The answer seems to be: good playing career, successfully won half as many trophies as St Johnstone, and that's it.
If it wasn't for his big name, nobody would be suggesting him just as nobody is suggesting Callum Davidson.
I'm starting to get the impression you'd (almost) prefer Boris Johnson as Villa manager than Stevie G. ;)
Absolutely. Coincidentally, I also reckon Gerrard would make a better Prime Minister.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 07, 2021, 11:28:58 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 07, 2021, 11:30:13 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 11:39:04 PM
Post by: ozzjim on November 07, 2021, 11:40:41 PM
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2021, 11:41:11 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 11:45:08 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 07, 2021, 11:47:26 PM
Can I just shock you? I like Eddie Howe.
I'm more shocked someone thinks he's having very intimate relations with Amanda Staveley on the other page! That would be one way to errr crack on and get the Newcastle job.
Post by: Ad@m on November 07, 2021, 11:47:38 PM
He has done everything he can at Leicester, and if he can get that shower up and around the European places, he'd have no trouble doing that with us.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2021, 11:49:45 PM
Post by: ozzjim on November 07, 2021, 11:50:07 PM
Can I just shock you? I like Eddie Howe.
I'm more shocked someone thinks he's having very intimate relations with Amanda Staveley on the other page! That would be one way to errr crack on and get the Newcastle job.
She looks like red skull out of Captain America. Good luck to him.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2021, 11:50:46 PM
Controversial I know but I'd go and get Rodgers from Leicester.
He has done everything he can at Leicester, and if he can get that shower up and around the European places, he'd have no trouble doing that with us.
I can't see us getting him.
Post by: aj2k77 on November 07, 2021, 11:53:41 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 07, 2021, 11:55:02 PM
Controversial I know but I'd go and get Rodgers from Leicester.
He has done everything he can at Leicester, and if he can get that shower up and around the European places, he'd have no trouble doing that with us.
Be my choice out of the british candidates but you'd really have to pull out the boat in money terms to persuade him we were serious and well, are we? I doubt he'd do it mid-season anyway
Post by: tomd2103 on November 08, 2021, 12:00:02 AM
Burnley was too big a club for him.
Was listening to a discussion on the radio about him the other day and someone on there said that he had some issues in his personal life while at Burnley and that could have contributed to him not doing well there.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 08, 2021, 12:04:25 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucien_Favre
Got Berlin 4th in 08/09.
Got Monchengladbach in top 4 twice in 3 seasons.
Got Nice third in 16/17 season, their highest finish for decades.
"Favre's teams play a dynamic, quick and attacking-minded football where ball possession and change of tempo alternate. This attractive style of play has brought results in every club he has managed. Furthermore, Favre is very skillful tactically, leaving his opponents struggling to penetrate his well-organized sides. His teams tend to shoot less than others but have a high conversion rate, also with shots coming from outside the box. Favre likes the opponents conversion rate to be on the low end. His teams stick out at the wrong end of expected goals statistics. Favre has a reputation of predicting well how opposing teams, coaches or players tend to react in certain situations. To play this style Favre pays attention to details and technique especially one-to-one"
Dunno if his agent, paul_e or Monty has written that summary of him but sounds exactly what his squad needs. Has a similar feel to Wenger.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 12:06:43 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 08, 2021, 12:07:00 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 08, 2021, 12:07:40 AM
He sounds good but 64 maybe a bit old? I said I wanted him earlier but having skimmed his Wikipedia page I see it was actually the bloke that won the league with Lille I was after, not him.
Yes Galtier was assistant to Reggie Perrin at Portsmouth. We wanted him before we got in Garde IIRC.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 12:08:17 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 08, 2021, 12:08:30 AM
Controversial I know but I'd go and get Rodgers from Leicester.
He has done everything he can at Leicester, and if he can get that shower up and around the European places, he'd have no trouble doing that with us.
Be my choice out of the british candidates but you'd really have to pull out the boat in money terms to persuade him we were serious and well, are we? I doubt he'd do it mid-season anyway
He's been linked to Man. United today and allegedly has admirers high up at Man. City so I don't think he'll be considering us anytime soon.
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 12:14:00 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 08, 2021, 12:17:22 AM
Favre on paper is just what we need. Was close to taking Outside in the summer.
Had he spilled your pint or looked at your Mrs?!
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 12:17:50 AM
Controversial I know but I'd go and get Rodgers from Leicester.
He has done everything he can at Leicester, and if he can get that shower up and around the European places, he'd have no trouble doing that with us.
Be my choice out of the british candidates but you'd really have to pull out the boat in money terms to persuade him we were serious and well, are we? I doubt he'd do it mid-season anyway
He's been linked to Man. United today and allegedly has admirers high up at Man. City so I don't think he'll be considering us anytime soon.
Can't see an ex-Liverpool manager taking over at Man U ending well but yeah its at the edge of credibility for us to go after him. It would be a statement appointment underlining our intention to complete because he wouldn't come otherwise.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 12:19:55 AM
Post by: aj2k77 on November 08, 2021, 12:33:26 AM
Any talk of Rodgers, Mancini is fairy tale stuff. Actually employing someone who has consistently done a decent job at the top level is something we haven't done since we appointed MON.
Post by: LeonW on November 08, 2021, 12:33:42 AM
Problem Gerrard has is coming here is basically shit or bust for the Liverpool job. He has to get us out of trouble comfortably this season, then top 8 next or he will have no chance of that job. It's a gamble. He might be better staying at Rangers, winning lots, of then going to Liverpool.
The Graeme Sour-ness route. I would not be particularly happy if it was Gerrard.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 01:37:28 AM
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 08, 2021, 01:52:27 AM
I never realised how much people disliked Purslow but referring to yourself as the 'Fernando Torres of finance' does make you sound like a bellend. Very much comes across as star struck by Gerrard also in the article. If he has his way then I can unfortunately see it happening but let's hope more voices get heard.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 08, 2021, 02:12:02 AM
https://twitter.com/Fball_Insights_/status/1457097057890615299?t=_8uRWj0cNJzyDemMIVzF_A&s=19
I never realised how much people disliked Purslow but referring to yourself as the 'Fernando Torres of finance' does make you sound like a bellend. Very much comes across as star struck by Gerrard also in the article. If he has his way then I can unfortunately see it happening but let's hope more voices get heard.
I am the Fernando Torres of cleaning frying pans, and I intend to sell myself to Chelsea.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 08, 2021, 02:39:02 AM
Look what happened to him there!https://twitter.com/Fball_Insights_/status/1457097057890615299?t=_8uRWj0cNJzyDemMIVzF_A&s=19
I never realised how much people disliked Purslow but referring to yourself as the 'Fernando Torres of finance' does make you sound like a bellend. Very much comes across as star struck by Gerrard also in the article. If he has his way then I can unfortunately see it happening but let's hope more voices get heard.
I am the Fernando Torres of cleaning frying pans, and I intend to sell myself to Chelsea.
Would have thought Purslow would have had more sense than be star-struck by Gerrard when choosing our new manager, myself, as the latter would go off to Liverpool as soon as he has the chance. Presumably he has the final say: didn't he go for Deano when the owners were star-struck by Thierry Henry, wasn't it?
Nice to see that I'm not the only one still awake!
PS: Perhaps we should be grateful to be known as StevenGerrard'sAstonVilla by the media and expected to suck it up! 🤮
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 08, 2021, 02:59:59 AM
Gerrard is the wrong man for me as well. Very little managrment experience and I wouldn't say that what he has done at Rangers is enough to justify consideration for our job.
Rodgers would be a fantastic appointment. Gerrard has never managed in the premier, but neither had Dean. I suppose Gerrard has done well in Europe. He wouldn’t be top of my list though.
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Post by: OzVilla on November 08, 2021, 06:40:57 AM
Can absolutely see them going for John Terry though with his ties to the club or Stevie G for his ties to Purslow. My issue here is that we'll only ever be a side order to their managerial main course so if they do a good job it's inevitable they'll be gone so soon as their home coming job becomame available.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 06:44:18 AM
Post by: Malandro on November 08, 2021, 06:51:19 AM
He shouldn’t have jumped ship from Derby, but I generally liked what he was trying to do at Derby and Chelsea.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 08, 2021, 06:55:43 AM
He’s big and he’s fucking hard
He’s the gaffer at Villa Park
Steve Gerrard Gerrard
Post by: waringpongo on November 08, 2021, 07:00:52 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 07:08:31 AM
We had 2 scouse managers that did ok or was it because their names were both Ron. Villa almost has this supernatural ability to the past. So a scouse manager might just work. Although Ron Saunders was from Birkenhead.
Actually I read up on this yesterday, and I believe your scouse if you're from Birkenhead, while Liverpool you're a plastic scouser*.
*could be talking bollocks
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on November 08, 2021, 07:09:21 AM
Post by: Eckybloke on November 08, 2021, 07:13:01 AM
what about callum Davidson? Won more than gerrard I've heard. Has added"not gerrard" bonus
Get him in! Whoever told you about him must be a wise sage indeed.
Get Tam Courts in. He has Dundee United playing good football with the benefit of being the first team to beat Rangers in a season and a bit.
Post by: Ian. on November 08, 2021, 07:16:23 AM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 08, 2021, 07:22:00 AM
Post by: Mister E on November 08, 2021, 07:23:18 AM
That’s quite reassuring Marion. I hope Carragher knows his mate as well he thinks.Marion from Barewood a fantasy of yours?
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 07:26:54 AM
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Post by: Malandro on November 08, 2021, 07:36:55 AM
Carragher said on Sky yesterday that he doesn’t think Gerrard will leave Rangers right now - that although Villa would be very tempting, he wants a couple more trophies and at least one more title before leaving. In his opinion (and he’s obviously close to Gerrard).
A few more trophies at Rangers? That’s as prestigious as filling a page in a Panini sticker album.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on November 08, 2021, 07:40:29 AM
Carragher said on Sky yesterday that he doesn’t think Gerrard will leave Rangers right now - that although Villa would be very tempting, he wants a couple more trophies and at least one more title before leaving. In his opinion (and he’s obviously close to Gerrard).
A few more trophies at Rangers? That’s as prestigious as filling a page in a Panini sticker album.
Please let this be so!
Post by: paul_e on November 08, 2021, 07:41:05 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 08, 2021, 07:41:32 AM
Carragher said on Sky yesterday that he doesn’t think Gerrard will leave Rangers right now - that although Villa would be very tempting, he wants a couple more trophies and at least one more title before leaving. In his opinion (and he’s obviously close to Gerrard).
A few more trophies at Rangers? That’s as prestigious as filling a page in a Panini sticker album.
Hardly a challenge when early on in yesterday's game against Rosd County Rangers had 93% possession!
Post by: Malandro on November 08, 2021, 07:45:15 AM
Carragher said on Sky yesterday that he doesn’t think Gerrard will leave Rangers right now - that although Villa would be very tempting, he wants a couple more trophies and at least one more title before leaving. In his opinion (and he’s obviously close to Gerrard).
A few more trophies at Rangers? That’s as prestigious as filling a page in a Panini sticker album.
Hardly a challenge when early on in yesterday's game against Rosd County Rangers had 93% possession!
It sounds dominant, but six of the Ross County players were at the fried pizza kiosk.
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2021, 07:49:37 AM
See there was some support for Howe overnight. My main issue with him is that despite spending a fair bit on it he never managed to put out a decent defence. If he was twiddling his thumbs I'd be less against it but the idea of a wage/budget bidding war with Newcastle for him makes me feel cold.
Yes there was that one year where he spent about £120m. To be fair he did buy Ake who was good for them, before Man City came calling.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 08, 2021, 07:49:52 AM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 08, 2021, 07:50:42 AM
We had 2 scouse managers that did ok or was it because their names were both Ron. Villa almost has this supernatural ability to the past. So a scouse manager might just work. Although Ron Saunders was from Birkenhead.
Actually I read up on this yesterday, and I believe your scouse if you're from Birkenhead, while Liverpool you're a plastic scouser*.
*could be talking bollocks
If Ellesmere Port counts as scouse then you can also include Graham Turner and Joe Mercer.
Post by: Hillbilly on November 08, 2021, 07:53:01 AM
Carragher said on Sky yesterday that he doesn’t think Gerrard will leave Rangers right now - that although Villa would be very tempting, he wants a couple more trophies and at least one more title before leaving. In his opinion (and he’s obviously close to Gerrard).It'll be interesting to see how he goes now that Ange seems to have Celtic up and running. First real pressure he'll have faced.
Post by: Ian. on November 08, 2021, 07:53:36 AM
Ha ha! Well spotted. Just don’t tell Marlon.That’s quite reassuring Marion. I hope Carragher knows his mate as well he thinks.Marion from Barewood a fantasy of yours?
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 07:59:57 AM
Post by: algy on November 08, 2021, 08:08:11 AM
Fried pizza? I’d have been one of themIf you're in Scotland ever, try it. Good number of chippies up there so half a deep fried pizza and chips. Food of the gods
Post by: Eckybloke on November 08, 2021, 08:10:08 AM
Post by: Ad@m on November 08, 2021, 08:10:39 AM
Controversial I know but I'd go and get Rodgers from Leicester.
He has done everything he can at Leicester, and if he can get that shower up and around the European places, he'd have no trouble doing that with us.
Be my choice out of the british candidates but you'd really have to pull out the boat in money terms to persuade him we were serious and well, are we? I doubt he'd do it mid-season anyway
He's been linked to Man. United today and allegedly has admirers high up at Man. City so I don't think he'll be considering us anytime soon.
I don't think either of the Manchester clubs would go for Rodgers. They'd both want someone with more Champions League experience.
And at Leicester he's treading water. Realistically he's not going to turn them in to regular regular Champions League qualifiers and in terms of potential, the Villa is obviously a much better prospect.
I reckon enough money, and a hard sell of "the project" could get him.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 08, 2021, 08:12:18 AM
Get Gerard and we're getting relegated.
Although i dont want gerrard that is simply not true. Even in a micky mouse league he turned a failing rangers into champions.
If he is appointed he will get my full backing 100%. I think he would keep us ul but i dount he could take us to the level we want to get to. We need a big European coach in my opinion. People like conte mourinho sarri poch had no experience before coming here and all had success.
Post by: KRS on November 08, 2021, 08:12:48 AM
For what it’s worth, at this stage I don’t believe any rumours regarding Gerrard, Howe, Hjulmand, Lampard or Terry…but I have a feeling there has been some shit brewing behind the scenes which may be linked to the departures of O’Kelly and Terry.
I hope we’ll appoint someone with management experience of European competition (just being from and managing in a European country doesn’t count) and can take us into the qualifying places either this season or more realistically next. Rodgers and Martinez would be good options but totally unrealistic, and I wouldn’t at all be surprised if Nuno and Potter were sounded out as part of the short list of realistic candidates. Is it fair to say that Koeman is probably the most high profile manager currently available…even if unrealistic too?
Post by: Clampy on November 08, 2021, 08:18:50 AM
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Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 08:24:44 AM
I don't want Gerrard, if we can't let a Villa fan see out his dream of getting Villa into Europe, I don't want a Liverpool fan living out there Dream of doing well enough at Villa to get the Liverpool job.Carragher said on Sky yesterday that he doesn’t think Gerrard will leave Rangers right now - that although Villa would be very tempting, he wants a couple more trophies and at least one more title before leaving. In his opinion (and he’s obviously close to Gerrard).It'll be interesting to see how he goes now that Ange seems to have Celtic up and running. First real pressure he'll have faced.
Post by: steamer on November 08, 2021, 08:27:01 AM
Post by: lovejoy on November 08, 2021, 08:33:42 AM
Controversial I know but I'd go and get Rodgers from Leicester.
He has done everything he can at Leicester, and if he can get that shower up and around the European places, he'd have no trouble doing that with us.
You think that’s realistic? Why not Pep?
Come on folks we can’t just say “Let’s go and get xxxx” it’s not as simple as that.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 08, 2021, 08:37:18 AM
Do we want to pay hefty compensation? Im not sure.
I know if i had a unrealistic international manager choice who i would opt for. Mancini
What a excellent and likeable manager he is.
Post by: The Edge on November 08, 2021, 08:37:59 AM
Get Gerard and we're getting relegated.There's absolutely no way of knowing that. However he could be the next great manager. He could be a total flop. It would be a massive gamble and I don't see how he could be considered a better bet than Smith. Then there would be all the shit surrounding Liverpool. We'd be lost in that particular media wankfest Gerrard gets a big thumbs down from me.
Post by: The Edge on November 08, 2021, 08:48:26 AM
This.I don't want Gerrard, if we can't let a Villa fan see out his dream of getting Villa into Europe, I don't want a Liverpool fan living out there Dream of doing well enough at Villa to get the Liverpool job.Carragher said on Sky yesterday that he doesn’t think Gerrard will leave Rangers right now - that although Villa would be very tempting, he wants a couple more trophies and at least one more title before leaving. In his opinion (and he’s obviously close to Gerrard).It'll be interesting to see how he goes now that Ange seems to have Celtic up and running. First real pressure he'll have faced.
Post by: gpbarr on November 08, 2021, 08:50:38 AM
This.I don't want Gerrard, if we can't let a Villa fan see out his dream of getting Villa into Europe, I don't want a Liverpool fan living out there Dream of doing well enough at Villa to get the Liverpool job.Carragher said on Sky yesterday that he doesn’t think Gerrard will leave Rangers right now - that although Villa would be very tempting, he wants a couple more trophies and at least one more title before leaving. In his opinion (and he’s obviously close to Gerrard).It'll be interesting to see how he goes now that Ange seems to have Celtic up and running. First real pressure he'll have faced.
And this again.
Post by: richtheholtender on November 08, 2021, 08:50:48 AM
I think they will want someone who will give some of the youth a go. There's not really an outstanding candidate is there?
There is. We just sacked him.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 08:56:42 AM
Get Gerard and we're getting relegated.There's absolutely no way of knowing that. However he could be the next great manager. He could be a total flop. It would be a massive gamble and I don't see how he could be considered a better bet than Smith. Then there would be all the shit surrounding Liverpool. We'd be lost in that particular media wankfest Gerrard gets a big thumbs down from me.
yeah, doesn't really point to joined-up thinking by the club if that Percy shortlist is accurate. You've got the sky wankfest/minimum experience of Gerrard, the dull Hasenhuttl in the up and comer category, and the wildcard with the Danish Southgate. I hope they didn't pay someone to come up with that shortlist.
Post by: Drummond on November 08, 2021, 09:08:43 AM
We need someone who is tried and tested, because we are not a place for someone to learn. The fans have been supportive of Smith, even in some bad times, but the next guy won't have that level of support. There's a good squad of players and expectations are high.
Gerrard can fuck off, I detest him. I'd rather have Lampard, but given how he couldn't get a Chelsea squad organised that's a no. Terry can do one. Howe needs an opportunity but he's going to be a stop gap at Newcastle and it's a no from me.
The Danish guy hasn't got the experience of a big club and the day to day pressure that entails. Emery won't leave Villareal for the Real Villa so soon after committing.
I doubt Rodgers would leave Leicester at this point, though I'd definitely have him. Thomas Frank is an interesting proposition, but I'm not convinced, same with Ralph Hasenhüttl. Fonseca? I don't know enough about him, but there's potential there and he's had Roma...
Post by: Drummond on November 08, 2021, 09:09:12 AM
This.I don't want Gerrard, if we can't let a Villa fan see out his dream of getting Villa into Europe, I don't want a Liverpool fan living out there Dream of doing well enough at Villa to get the Liverpool job.Carragher said on Sky yesterday that he doesn’t think Gerrard will leave Rangers right now - that although Villa would be very tempting, he wants a couple more trophies and at least one more title before leaving. In his opinion (and he’s obviously close to Gerrard).It'll be interesting to see how he goes now that Ange seems to have Celtic up and running. First real pressure he'll have faced.
And this again.
And again.
Post by: john e on November 08, 2021, 09:15:02 AM
We absolutely need someone that can handle pressure. Because after Smith, there will be plenty. He took over at such a low ebb in our recent history and couldn't get us doing any worse. Instead he got us going way easier than the plan. That he clearly understood helped massively.
We need someone who is tried and tested, because we are not a place for someone to learn. The fans have been supportive of Smith, even in some bad times, but the next guy won't have that level of support. There's a good squad of players and expectations are high.
Gerrard can fuck off, I detest him. I'd rather have Lampard, but given how he couldn't get a Chelsea squad organised that's a no. Terry can do one. Howe needs an opportunity but he's going to be a stop gap at Newcastle and it's a no from me.
The Danish guy hasn't got the experience of a big club and the day to day pressure that entails. Emery won't leave Villareal for the Real Villa so soon after committing.
I doubt Rodgers would leave Leicester at this point, though I'd definitely have him. Thomas Frank is an interesting proposition, but I'm not convinced, same with Ralph Hasenhüttl. Fonseca? I don't know enough about him, but there's potential there and he's had Roma...
Can’t disagree with any of that mate
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 09:15:34 AM
The question is, if getting us into Europe gets him that job, is that a sufficient trade off while we climb the ladder.
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Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 09:24:37 AM
Gerrard would raise our profile, no doubt about that which could be the thinking behind it. Would need to be backed to the hilt though to attract the sort of players maybe Smith couldn't.Genuine question - Joe aside, would a footballer really want to choose Gerrard over say West Ham, Spurs, Arsenal etc - who we want to be competing with?
My concern is, the way the clubs is run, a lot of key decisions aren't made by the manager, or at least not alone - so I think that limits us to a Head Coach type manager.
I think some of these appointments in coaching an recruitment were force on Dean to some degree
Post by: Drummond on November 08, 2021, 09:25:14 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 08, 2021, 09:26:23 AM
Or when we played at Anfield and he tapped the sign over the tunnel? That?
With Gerrard we would be getting that sort of vibe, only much stronger, with the added impetus of the Liverpool job being in his future rather than his past.
No thanks.
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 08, 2021, 09:29:24 AM
I dont want Eddie Howe for the simple reason he looks like he should be related to the Gardners.
And the fact he just became Newcastle manager about 2 days ago?
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 09:31:44 AM
Gerrard would raise our profile, no doubt about that which could be the thinking behind it. Would need to be backed to the hilt though to attract the sort of players maybe Smith couldn't.Genuine question - Joe aside, would a footballer really want to choose Gerrard over say West Ham, Spurs, Arsenal etc - who we want to be competing with?
My concern is, the way the clubs is run, a lot of key decisions aren't made by the manager, or at least not alone - so I think that limits us to a Head Coach type manager.
I think some of these appointments in coaching an recruitment were force on Dean to some degree
Probably not given the choice, but if you outbid them then maybe you'd come to us for an extra 40k a week which the others won't pay.
I don't know how much clout gerrard would have to be honest but if the board sanctioned 25m for a midfielder in January, but wouldn't give Smith that money, then he's got an advantage straight away. Doesn't stop him buying the wrong guy or not coaching him as well as Smith though.
Post by: Monty on November 08, 2021, 09:32:27 AM
Remember Houllier's press conference when he joined? When he started talking about Liverpool and how this job wasn't in the same league as Liverpool manager?
Or when we played at Anfield and he tapped the sign over the tunnel? That?
With Gerrard we would be getting that sort of vibe, only much stronger, with the added impetus of the Liverpool job being in his future rather than his past.
No thanks.
Indeed. Unbearable. Plus, there's no actual evidence that he's seriously much as a manager either. I accept that someone like Pochettino was a gamble for Southampton, but this is surely too much.
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 08, 2021, 09:33:32 AM
Gerrard would raise our profile, no doubt about that which could be the thinking behind it. Would need to be backed to the hilt though to attract the sort of players maybe Smith couldn't.Genuine question - Joe aside, would a footballer really want to choose Gerrard over say West Ham, Spurs, Arsenal etc - who we want to be competing with?
My concern is, the way the clubs is run, a lot of key decisions aren't made by the manager, or at least not alone - so I think that limits us to a Head Coach type manager.
I think some of these appointments in coaching an recruitment were force on Dean to some degree
Probably not given the choice, but if you outbid them then maybe you'd come to us for an extra 40k a week which the others won't pay.
I don't know how much clout gerrard would have to be honest but if the board sanctioned 25m for a midfielder in January, but wouldn't give Smith that money, then he's got an advantage straight away. Doesn't stop him buying the wrong guy or not coaching him as well as Smith though.
Oh he'd raise our profile alright, but I'm pretty certain it would be for all the wrong reasons.
Post by: john e on November 08, 2021, 09:34:20 AM
I dont want Eddie Howe for the simple reason he looks like he should be related to the Gardners.
And the fact he just became Newcastle manager about 2 days ago?
Not yet
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 08, 2021, 09:34:34 AM
Not that I want Gerrard but, at the moment, any ambitious manager is going to see Villa as a stepping stone to whatever their dream job is.
This
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 08, 2021, 09:36:55 AM
I dont want Eddie Howe for the simple reason he looks like he should be related to the Gardners.
And the fact he just became Newcastle manager about 2 days ago?
Not yet
Give it 10 minutes.
Post by: Drummond on November 08, 2021, 09:38:42 AM
Post by: Flin5tone on November 08, 2021, 09:38:55 AM
Graham Potter has just above 28% win ratio with Brighton.....
Fonseca if he gets off to a tricky start will be branded the new Remi Garde.
Dean Smith had a lot of support because of his connections to the Football Club and I don't think any manager will have the same level of support from the fan base than he did.
I've said it before and I'm saying it again now, Roy Hodgson would be an ideal appointment until the summer when we can target a real top coach with a bumper budget for players
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 09:40:16 AM
Not that I want Gerrard but, at the moment, any ambitious manager is going to see Villa as a stepping stone to whatever their dream job is.
This
I'd like to think a manager with genuine ambition could see the size of our club and the willingness of the board to spend serious money and think he could achieve all he wanted to achieve here. Anyone that doesn't think Villa can aspire to compete with the best shouldn't be anywhere near being appointed our manager.
Post by: lovejoy on November 08, 2021, 09:41:47 AM
Living locally, I can tell you the Brighton fans have no expectations that he will leave in what they see as a sideways move. Do we really want a manager who would do the dirty on an incumbent club?
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2021, 09:42:24 AM
I think the reality is that if he were appointed the fans would be on his case very early and there would, barring some miraculous run, be calls for his head before the end of the season.
If it is him, he might surprise us. I was dead against John Terry coming in as a coach, but by the end I'd been won over by his work ethic and willingness to get his head down and learn his trade. At no time did he ever display a big headedness that you might expect from a "legend" from another club. At the end of the day though, it's all about results. Whoever comes in needs to get the team playing well and win a few games. Do that and they'll be accepted.
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2021, 09:43:22 AM
Do we really want a manager who would do the dirty on an incumbent club?
If they're any good, then yes. See Little, Sir Brian.
Post by: Gareth on November 08, 2021, 09:44:25 AM
We absolutely need someone that can handle pressure. Because after Smith, there will be plenty. He took over at such a low ebb in our recent history and couldn't get us doing any worse. Instead he got us going way earlier than the plan. That he clearly understood helped massively.
We need someone who is tried and tested, because we are not a place for someone to learn. The fans have been supportive of Smith, even in some bad times, but the next guy won't have that level of support. There's a good squad of players and expectations are high.
Gerrard can fuck off, I detest him. I'd rather have Lampard, but given how he couldn't get a Chelsea squad organised that's a no. Terry can do one. Howe needs an opportunity but he's going to be a stop gap at Newcastle and it's a no from me.
The Danish guy hasn't got the experience of a big club and the day to day pressure that entails. Emery won't leave Villareal for the Real Villa so soon after committing.
I doubt Rodgers would leave Leicester at this point, though I'd definitely have him. Thomas Frank is an interesting proposition, but I'm not convinced, same with Ralph Hasenhüttl. Fonseca? I don't know enough about him, but there's potential there and he's had Roma...
Can’t disagree with any of that, all we can hope if it’s a quick process and the board get the coach they want not Nuno style 6th choice
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 09:45:18 AM
Gerrard would raise our profile, no doubt about that which could be the thinking behind it. Would need to be backed to the hilt though to attract the sort of players maybe Smith couldn't.Genuine question - Joe aside, would a footballer really want to choose Gerrard over say West Ham, Spurs, Arsenal etc - who we want to be competing with?
My concern is, the way the clubs is run, a lot of key decisions aren't made by the manager, or at least not alone - so I think that limits us to a Head Coach type manager.
I think some of these appointments in coaching an recruitment were force on Dean to some degree
Probably not given the choice, but if you outbid them then maybe you'd come to us for an extra 40k a week which the others won't pay.
I don't know how much clout gerrard would have to be honest but if the board sanctioned 25m for a midfielder in January, but wouldn't give Smith that money, then he's got an advantage straight away. Doesn't stop him buying the wrong guy or not coaching him as well as Smith though.
Oh he'd raise our profile alright, but I'm pretty certain it would be for all the wrong reasons.
yeah I don't want him. I'm just saying you'd think Gerrard would only come if the funds were in place because otherwise he's better off staying put. Someone like Hasenhuttl just says "surviving on a budget and selling your best player to Man City every 3 years".
Post by: Monty on November 08, 2021, 09:45:50 AM
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2021, 09:48:38 AM
Terry was working under an experienced coach. Gerrard...I mean, I'd love to be wrong, but my first reaction is that it's basically embarrassing, small time starfuckery.
Gerrard did a year coaching at Liverpool under Klopp didn't he?
Post by: danno on November 08, 2021, 09:50:06 AM
Oh wow he's done well in Scotland has he? Let's get Neil Lennon then he's won even more.
Post by: Monty on November 08, 2021, 09:50:43 AM
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Post by: Ads on November 08, 2021, 10:07:01 AM
The new manager will need a greater appreciation of the tactical side and the small details of organisation, especially in midfield.
The defensive structure and attacking structure was too ad hoc.
Post by: algy on November 08, 2021, 10:07:33 AM
I think every single one of us doesn't want Gerrard for the very reason it's using is to get to Liverpool.I don't. I don't want Gerrard because the sum total of his managerial career today is a moderate amount of domestic success with "Rangers". Which is nowhere near enough to get work as a kitchen porter at Villa Park, let alone the gaffer's job.
The question is, if getting us into Europe gets him that job, is that a sufficient trade off while we climb the ladder.
Talk of Brendan Rodgers seems a bit fanciful. I think we'd have more success trying to poach managers who aren't currently at a Premier League club, simply because we can offer them a wage & transfer budget that they'll only see at maybe half a dozen clubs outside the Premier League.
I'd go all out for ten Hag, with Favre as a backup option. I think we'd get one of them. If we were going for a British manager - and I can see the logic in that with it being a mid-season appointment - then for me Graham Potter is the stand out candidate. None of the other names being bandied about really do anything for me.
Post by: Rigadon on November 08, 2021, 10:12:34 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 08, 2021, 10:13:28 AM
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Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2021, 10:13:33 AM
I think they will want someone who will give some of the youth a go. There's not really an outstanding candidate is there?
Lampard would tick that box. Not my favoured choice, but probably not as bad as some suggest. He's also done his Chelsea thing, so that wouldn't be hanging over him as much as it would Terry or Liverpool with Gerrard.
I'd love it to be Rogers, but I don't think there's a chance he would shelve Leicester for us. People talk about us having far more potential, but they also have rich owners and are looking at a stadium expansion. It may be that Rogers just wouldn't see it that way right now.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 10:14:46 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 10:15:16 AM
"Gerrard has done well with Rangers"
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Point of order: Gerrard hasn't done that well. It would actually be a less sensible appointment than McLeish was.
Post by: Monty on November 08, 2021, 10:16:47 AM
Post by: Rigadon on November 08, 2021, 10:17:04 AM
"Gerrard has done well with Rangers"
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It isn't Halloween anymore.
Post by: Dave on November 08, 2021, 10:19:45 AM
If Spurs can get Conte, I'd ask why Villa couldn't get somebody of that ilk too.
Similar to Man City getting Guardiola, it didn't just happen - it's the end result of months of setting the structue of the club up in such a way that its designed for him, and it sees the people who were previously in charge accepting that they are going to be pushed out of the day-to-day running of the club.
Post by: cdward on November 08, 2021, 10:28:34 AM
I'm just glad we've moved on from the Mark Hughes, Steve McLaren, Sam Allardyce usual suspects
Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2021, 10:30:50 AM
To me he just came accross as a combative, excellent midfielder. I'd have no problem with his personality whatsover. His limited management experience is what would primarily put me off and I have to admit "Gerrards Aston Villa" would also grate a bit. I'd expect him to be professional enough not to fall into the fawning over Liverpool trap but I wouldn't have a problem with a few complimentary words here and there building up to a fixture against them. If he had done well enough for Liverpool to then want him as their next manager then surely that means we would be on the right track, which can't be that bad a thing?
So it would be a 'no' from me, but probably not for the same reasons as a number of people seem to have. And if we did go for him I'd be 100% behind him and pretty excited to see what he could achieve.
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 10:31:09 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 08, 2021, 10:31:36 AM
Remember Houllier's press conference when he joined? When he started talking about Liverpool and how this job wasn't in the same league as Liverpool manager?
Or when we played at Anfield and he tapped the sign over the tunnel? That?
With Gerrard we would be getting that sort of vibe, only much stronger, with the added impetus of the Liverpool job being in his future rather than his past.
No thanks.
I'm pretty sure Dave Woodhall has posted in the past of amount of players and managers we appoint who don't realise what a big club we actually are behind the scenes until they sign for us.
Obviously they come and play v us and VP is impressive ground but only when you're a player/manager would you get a feel of what the training ground and other parts of the ground are like. Didn't Dean Saunders once say we could be as big as Liverpool, we just don't believe it?
Think it would be great to get a manager who gets it all straight away and is confident enough to pitch that to future new signings...rather than just downplaying it and making us feel like underdogs all the time as Steve Bruce did.
A Ron Atkinson type somewhere in his 40s-50s would be brilliant as he got what we were about exactly. Probably O'Neill did aswell and they had the status to get reasonably big name players interested in joining us aswell.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 08, 2021, 10:33:19 AM
If Spurs can get Conte, I'd ask why Villa couldn't get somebody of that ilk too.
Similar to Man City getting Guardiola, it didn't just happen - it's the end result of months of setting the structue of the club up in such a way that its designed for him, and it sees the people who were previously in charge accepting that they are going to be pushed out of the day-to-day running of the club.
THink difference aswell is for all their faults Spurs have qualified for some form of european competition since 2009 whereas that was the year we last played in knock outs of europa competition.
Think that would play on mind of any manager of Conte ilk e.g. even when things go wrong at Spurs they're still not that far off top 6 whereas for us loads of things have got to go right for us to be making europe in a season.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 08, 2021, 10:33:22 AM
Lampard would be a absolute disaster and ia no upgrade on smith. Id have rather have kept Smith than Lampard.
Hell no to frank
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 08, 2021, 10:34:50 AM
We had 2 scouse managers that did ok or was it because their names were both Ron. Villa almost has this supernatural ability to the past. So a scouse manager might just work. Although Ron Saunders was from Birkenhead.
Actually I read up on this yesterday, and I believe your scouse if you're from Birkenhead, while Liverpool you're a plastic scouser*.
*could be talking bollocks
If Ellesmere Port counts as scouse then you can also include Graham Turner and Joe Mercer.
Who was the other scouse Ron?
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 08, 2021, 10:34:52 AM
Terry was working under an experienced coach. Gerrard...I mean, I'd love to be wrong, but my first reaction is that it's basically embarrassing, small time starfuckery.
Gerrard did a year coaching at Liverpool under Klopp didn't he?
Worked with their under 23 team so little different to Mark Delaney here.
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 08, 2021, 10:35:02 AM
"Gerrard has done well with Rangers"
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Oh thanks mate, you've just set my PTSD off again.
Post by: ian c. on November 08, 2021, 10:36:33 AM
Steve Gerrard Gerrard
He’s big and he’s fucking hard
He’s the gaffer at Villa Park
Steve Gerrard Gerrard
Oh Steve Me, Steve Me
You tried to snap Boateng's knee
Please stay in obscurity
Stevie Me, Steve Me.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 08, 2021, 10:37:16 AM
On ts the villa fans who called in have said they want Gerrard. One even said he wants Lampard. Jesus
Lampard would be a absolute disaster and ia no upgrade on smith. Id have rather have kept Smith than Lampard.
Hell no to frank
I'm listening aswell. In minority but I actually like listening to Danny Murphy. However he's certainly got an issue with us. Him just dismissing the Villa fan who said how well West Ham were doing after battling us in relegation in 19/20 was ridiculous.
Didn't he pen an article a few years back saying he found Villa Park a really drab place to play at compared to likes of Elland Road?
Post by: Ian. on November 08, 2021, 10:37:58 AM
"Gerrard has done well with Rangers"
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Now that is uncalled for. Shudders
Post by: The Edge on November 08, 2021, 10:38:10 AM
One thing, above all else, is we need to learn from Tottenham and make sure, at least publicly, we get our first choice manager. Once we start offering and being turned down, we are dead in the water. How you do this when going after managers already in a job, asking permission to talk to them then the obvious leaks, I don't know.They think Brighton to Aston Villa is a sideways move? We all love our own clubs equally but that is straight up delusional.
Living locally, I can tell you the Brighton fans have no expectations that he will leave in what they see as a sideways move. Do we really want a manager who would do the dirty on an incumbent club?
Post by: Rory on November 08, 2021, 10:38:24 AM
Remember Houllier's press conference when he joined? When he started talking about Liverpool and how this job wasn't in the same league as Liverpool manager?
Or when we played at Anfield and he tapped the sign over the tunnel? That?
With Gerrard we would be getting that sort of vibe, only much stronger, with the added impetus of the Liverpool job being in his future rather than his past.
No thanks.
Indeed. Unbearable. Plus, there's no actual evidence that he's seriously much as a manager either. I accept that someone like Pochettino was a gamble for Southampton, but this is surely too much.
Agreed and, like Drummond, there aren't many people in the game I have hated as consistently and passionately as I hate Gerrard.
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2021, 10:43:03 AM
We had 2 scouse managers that did ok or was it because their names were both Ron. Villa almost has this supernatural ability to the past. So a scouse manager might just work. Although Ron Saunders was from Birkenhead.
Actually I read up on this yesterday, and I believe your scouse if you're from Birkenhead, while Liverpool you're a plastic scouser*.
*could be talking bollocks
If Ellesmere Port counts as scouse then you can also include Graham Turner and Joe Mercer.
Who was the other scouse Ron?
Big Ron was born in Liverpool.
Post by: Monty on November 08, 2021, 10:43:54 AM
1) would we be looking twice at Gerrard if he weren't a famous player? and if so
2) what in his playing career compensates for the absence of evidence as to his coaching ability?
Given the answer to 1) is clearly 'no', let's look at 2). He was a famously brilliant, improvising, free-wheeling and tactically ill-disciplined player, an individualist. How many of those make great managers? Even among top players who make top managers, they tend to be like Guardiola, Ancelotti, Conte, Beckenbauer, ultimate team-players and tactical reference-points. Even Cruyff was the least individual of the great individuals, playing his role in total football.
Nothing in Gerrard's career points to his making it as a top coach. Which doesn't mean he won't, it's just that there's no evidence to support that he will. So we'd just be hiring him because he's famous.
Post by: KNVillan on November 08, 2021, 10:45:34 AM
We had 2 scouse managers that did ok or was it because their names were both Ron. Villa almost has this supernatural ability to the past. So a scouse manager might just work. Although Ron Saunders was from Birkenhead.
Actually I read up on this yesterday, and I believe your scouse if you're from Birkenhead, while Liverpool you're a plastic scouser*.
*could be talking bollocks
If Ellesmere Port counts as scouse then you can also include Graham Turner and Joe Mercer.
Who was the other scouse Ron?
Ron Atkinson is the other one
LeeB beat me to it
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 10:46:52 AM
Post by: aev on November 08, 2021, 10:47:59 AM
AVB was furious about Sanson being sold wasn't he and essentially walked on Marseille due to it?
AVB would be an interesting appointment.
Excellent win percentages wherever he has been, though some of them may not be the toughest gigs in the world.
Martinez over achieved at Wigan, and I can't remember what he was like at Everton. Not been a club manager in 5 years though - does that matter?
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2021, 10:50:21 AM
It may be the truth but you don't have to say it so loudly.
Someone needs to send Purslow a clip of us wishing him happy birthday with much glee at the semi final.
Post by: LukeJames on November 08, 2021, 10:51:08 AM
Edit... I may be getting him mixed up with Marco Silva.
Post by: Drummond on November 08, 2021, 10:52:18 AM
On ts the villa fans who called in have said they want Gerrard. One even said he wants Lampard. Jesus
Lampard would be a absolute disaster and ia no upgrade on smith. Id have rather have kept Smith than Lampard.
Hell no to frank
He's done a great job with Brentford though?
Post by: Drummond on November 08, 2021, 10:53:58 AM
One thing, above all else, is we need to learn from Tottenham and make sure, at least publicly, we get our first choice manager. Once we start offering and being turned down, we are dead in the water. How you do this when going after managers already in a job, asking permission to talk to them then the obvious leaks, I don't know.They think Brighton to Aston Villa is a sideways move? We all love our own clubs equally but that is straight up delusional.
Living locally, I can tell you the Brighton fans have no expectations that he will leave in what they see as a sideways move. Do we really want a manager who would do the dirty on an incumbent club?
Not if you look at the table it isn't..... (but obviously it is)
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2021, 10:56:19 AM
AVB would be a disaster, fuck that!
I'm not sure he would, but there's that stain of being a figure of ridicule over here that would be difficult to shift.
Also with Unai Emery, a man who appears to be a fine and capable manager, unfortunately in English he has a thin, reedy voice, is a bit goofy and has a kind of Michael Howard 'something of the night' vibe. As shallow as it is, I think that did for him as much as any footballing reason.
Post by: SaddVillan on November 08, 2021, 10:56:30 AM
Lampard
Gerrard
Rooney
Pearson
Big Sam
Farke
Hassenhutl
Dyche
None of the above.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 08, 2021, 10:56:36 AM
AVB was furious about Sanson being sold wasn't he and essentially walked on Marseille due to it?
Another odd thing why Dean Smith never played him .
Post by: villabear on November 08, 2021, 10:57:04 AM
Can’t help being massively underwhelmed with the names being banded about.
Let’s hope the owners ambitions mean we’re going to be surprised with a top coach. Gut feeling is it’s going to be someone off the manager merry go round.
Post by: DeKuip on November 08, 2021, 10:58:48 AM
He’s done an apprenticeship now it’s time for a proper job.
Gerrard needs a few years in League One or the Championship after serving his apprenticeship in Sunday League football.
Post by: passport1 on November 08, 2021, 11:00:03 AM
AVB would be a disaster, fuck that!
I'm not sure he would, but there's that stain of being a figure of ridicule over here that would be difficult to shift./quote]AVB would be a disaster, fuck that!
I'm not sure he would, but there's that stain of being a figure of ridicule over here that would be difficult to shift.
Also with Unai Emery, a man who appears to be a fine and capable manager, unfortunately in English he has a thin, reedy voice, is a bit goofy and has a kind of Michael Howard 'something of the night' vibe. As shallow as it is, I think that did for him as much as any footballing reason.
A slightly sleazy used car sales man always came into my mind.
Post by: olaftab on November 08, 2021, 11:05:08 AM
I have no recollection of Pellegrini managing West Ham and was unaware that Moyes had been there before.He nearly got them relegated so I wouldn't rule out Dean coming back to Villa Park in the future and being even more successful.
Post by: AV82EC on November 08, 2021, 11:08:02 AM
Rangnick
Gallardo
Emery
Favre
Potter
Hassenhuttl
If we’re being delusional:
Ten Hag
Simeone
Zidane
Pochettino
Mancini
Rogers
If we’re pissing about:
Gerrard/Lampard/Terry
Anyone else British
Anyone suggesting anyone British who isn’t Rogers or Potter really needs to get out more.
Post by: TonyD on November 08, 2021, 11:09:01 AM
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on November 08, 2021, 11:09:07 AM
Post by: olaftab on November 08, 2021, 11:09:12 AM
Fucking Steven Gerrard for fucks sake's. It would be mark us down as a second rate feeder club.Yes absolutely. We know if he's comes here it would be a CV tick on the way to fucking Anfield. I will be mortified if he's appointed after his stint at non league management. Surely Purslow is not that daft despite his love for all that is Liverpool?
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 08, 2021, 11:09:28 AM
Post by: djbone on November 08, 2021, 11:09:57 AM
AVB was furious about Sanson being sold wasn't he and essentially walked on Marseille due to it?
Apparently so. He'd actually be a decent shout. Would get us organised and competitive. Good standing and experience in the game. Fluent English, and of course not in a job. Could get Sanson firing and maybe bring Amavi back from OM to offer competition for Targett :)
Some find his style boring to watch though?
Wouldn't be too sad at Potter but as others have said can't see him walking out on Brighton.
Of the apparent gettable out of work European coaches, Favre has by some way the best CV, the rest are a bit meh for me
Post by: Smithy on November 08, 2021, 11:11:24 AM
you have to think we'd be an attractive proposition to an ambitious young manager with a great CV, but how many of them are there out there? Who is the next Klopp? I have no idea. But I don't feel very excited about the likes of Gerrard and Potter. Gerrard would be using us as a placeholder till Liverpool wanted him, and Potter is likeable enough, but is he REALLY that much better than we've just got rid of (15th and 16th in the last two seasons)?
I hadn't really thought too much about a new managerial appointment since the NWSE takeover, so it feels strange to think of us trying to get the very best in the world, but I guess that's what billionaire owners do? They could promise someone £150m to spend, and to inherit a solidly mid-table Premier League squad. Is it enough to get someone out of a good job they currently have, that's the question...
Post by: Allan C on November 08, 2021, 11:12:04 AM
I don't think Gerrard would be right, but I'm a bit surprised by the levels of personal dislike for him on here.Same with me in all respects. In my opinion it would show a lack of ambition by the owners. We don’t need a “buy and hope” style appointment.
To me he just came accross as a combative, excellent midfielder. I'd have no problem with his personality whatsover. His limited management experience is what would primarily put me off and I have to admit "Gerrards Aston Villa" would also grate a bit. I'd expect him to be professional enough not to fall into the fawning over Liverpool trap but I wouldn't have a problem with a few complimentary words here and there building up to a fixture against them. If he had done well enough for Liverpool to then want him as their next manager then surely that means we would be on the right track, which can't be that bad a thing?
So it would be a 'no' from me, but probably not for the same reasons as a number of people seem to have. And if we did go for him I'd be 100% behind him and pretty excited to see what he could achieve.
Post by: olaftab on November 08, 2021, 11:13:54 AM
Betfair is owned by Paddypower, yet Paddypower have suspended betting on Martinez, but you can still get 12/1 on Betfair. Weird.To paraphrase Alistair McGowan's Sven "This Martinez you talk about which one is he?"
Post by: olaftab on November 08, 2021, 11:14:42 AM
Apparently Newcastle haven't got Eddie Howe over the line yet...Wouldn't that be just like Newcastle if they don't?
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on November 08, 2021, 11:15:03 AM
EmiBetfair is owned by Paddypower, yet Paddypower have suspended betting on Martinez, but you can still get 12/1 on Betfair. Weird.To paraphrase Alistair McGowan's Sven "This Martinez you talk about which one is he?"
Obvs
Post by: Demitri_C on November 08, 2021, 11:15:40 AM
But from what i remember in his time in england he coulsnt setup a back four to save his life. Doesnt bode well when you see how we currently defend
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2021, 11:16:39 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 11:17:04 AM
I'm just clutching at straws here trying to find positives in any manager who isn't Steven Gerrard (or John Terry).
Post by: algy on November 08, 2021, 11:17:27 AM
Our last 5 seasons, if they happened to them - 2 Championship playoff finals, Premier league survival, then last season what would represent their highest ever league position - would be one of the high points, if not *the* high water mark, in their club's entire history.One thing, above all else, is we need to learn from Tottenham and make sure, at least publicly, we get our first choice manager. Once we start offering and being turned down, we are dead in the water. How you do this when going after managers already in a job, asking permission to talk to them then the obvious leaks, I don't know.They think Brighton to Aston Villa is a sideways move? We all love our own clubs equally but that is straight up delusional.
Living locally, I can tell you the Brighton fans have no expectations that he will leave in what they see as a sideways move. Do we really want a manager who would do the dirty on an incumbent club?
Equally, we've sacked 3 managers for underperforming. And it includes our second worst period ever.
So we're not really on the same level, are we Brighton?
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 11:18:57 AM
Post by: KRS on November 08, 2021, 11:20:20 AM
He turned us down before, he can fuck off.Wasn’t that story just media bullshit because he was never actually approached or had an interview but it became truth because it was wrongly repeated so many times…or did we actually approach him and he turned down the option to have an interview?
Post by: Ad@m on November 08, 2021, 11:20:31 AM
Controversial I know but I'd go and get Rodgers from Leicester.
He has done everything he can at Leicester, and if he can get that shower up and around the European places, he'd have no trouble doing that with us.
You think that’s realistic? Why not Pep?
Come on folks we can’t just say “Let’s go and get xxxx” it’s not as simple as that.
Jesus! We're Aston Villa and have gazillionaire owners.
Pep could walk into any job on the planet but you seriously think Rodgers, overachieving and bumbling around the top half of the Prem at Leicester wouldn't come to us?!
We need to show some fucking ambition!
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2021, 11:21:53 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 08, 2021, 11:21:56 AM
No chance in hell rodgers would leave them for us
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 11:23:32 AM
He turned us down before, he can fuck off.Wasn’t that story just media bullshit because he was never actually approached or had an interview but it became truth because it was wrongly repeated so many times…or did we actually approach him and he turned down the option to have an interview?
The whole thing felt to me like Dave Whelan desperately trying to get himself in the paper. No idea if we spoke to Martinez though I can understand why a manager would have turned us down at that point.
"Do you fancy the Villa job? We have just avoided relegation, if we ever get a decent player we will sell him and you won't get any money to buy anyone. Oh, because of our history we still expect to finish top six".
Not the most tempting, if we are being honest.
I'd hope our board would be more persuasive these days.
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 11:23:32 AM
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2021, 11:23:54 AM
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 11:25:32 AM
It's fucking Leicester mate. We did it before, and if we're serious we could do it again.
Their squad is much better than ours though.
Post by: Ad@m on November 08, 2021, 11:28:13 AM
It's fucking Leicester mate. We did it before, and if we're serious we could do it again.
Their squad is much better than ours though.
And 7 years ago they were a solid Championship club having spent the last decade there or lower.
Squads change quickly, but they've got a shitter ground, shitter training facilities, shitter owners, etc, etc. Everything is ready at the Villa to go way beyond what he can achieve at Leicester.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on November 08, 2021, 11:28:15 AM
Post by: caster troy on November 08, 2021, 11:28:27 AM
"He managed to forge such a strong team mentality that even when they were not playing well, they would win games."
If there is one thing we do not do, it is that!
Post by: olaftab on November 08, 2021, 11:28:43 AM
Sky sports saying martinez is very high on the list. Wouldnt be the worst appointment and would have some big contacts in belgium.And he has totally wasted the best generation of footballers to emerge in any one country for about 50 years.
But from what i remember in his time in england he coulsnt setup a back four to save his life. Doesnt bode well when you see how we currently defend
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2021, 11:28:57 AM
It's fucking Leicester mate. We did it before, and if we're serious we could do it again.
Their squad is much better than ours though.
It is, but what's left for him now? He's a vain fucker, I think with the right conditions he'd take it. Walking out a Villa Park as the chief is a damn sight different to that poxy little soulless bowl.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 08, 2021, 11:29:17 AM
It's fucking Leicester mate. We did it before, and if we're serious we could do it again.
Leicester are better than us. Alot better and have been for years. Thats the sad reality.
Not going to happen
Post by: Broadlee on November 08, 2021, 11:30:12 AM
Not for me,
Simon Jordan called out Ten Hag from Ajax, but whilst a good fit when you look at his philosophy re play etc. I’m not sure we could attract him.
Fonseca does fit the bill but are we attractive enough?
This has got to be a step up from Dean - Gerrard, Lampard, Potter, they have qualities But it’s not a step up / it’s not the progressive move they talk about.
we can only wait and see and hope we have the progressive, intelligent and ambitious board to match their words.
Post by: olaftab on November 08, 2021, 11:30:30 AM
And after a couple of transfer windows their best in the squad will be ours.It's fucking Leicester mate. We did it before, and if we're serious we could do it again.
Their squad is much better than ours though.
Post by: Mister E on November 08, 2021, 11:30:33 AM
"Gerrard has done well with Rangers"Perrrrrlease - do not need reminding of the TSM. Ever.
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Post by: Demitri_C on November 08, 2021, 11:31:24 AM
I think he will wait for united job
Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2021, 11:33:09 AM
Yes, I absolutely believe Rogers wouldn't come to us.Controversial I know but I'd go and get Rodgers from Leicester.
He has done everything he can at Leicester, and if he can get that shower up and around the European places, he'd have no trouble doing that with us.
You think that’s realistic? Why not Pep?
Come on folks we can’t just say “Let’s go and get xxxx” it’s not as simple as that.
Jesus! We're Aston Villa and have gazillionaire owners.
Pep could walk into any job on the planet but you seriously think Rodgers, overachieving and bumbling around the top half of the Prem at Leicester wouldn't come to us?!
We need to show some fucking ambition!
Post by: Clive W on November 08, 2021, 11:34:20 AM
Make of that what you will
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on November 08, 2021, 11:35:56 AM
It’s a horrible image to have in my mind. And I can’t shake it either.
Post by: Fred Crump on November 08, 2021, 11:36:30 AM
Go on Villa, how brave are you ?
Post by: Rigadon on November 08, 2021, 11:37:49 AM
It's fucking Leicester mate. We did it before, and if we're serious we could do it again.
Their squad is much better than ours though.
It is, but what's left for him now? He's a vain fucker, I think with the right conditions he'd take it. Walking out a Villa Park as the chief is a damn sight different to that poxy little soulless bowl.
More of this please.
Post by: Mister E on November 08, 2021, 11:38:14 AM
Villas-Boas is an interesting one. He must be on a very short list of currently unemployed managers who have been reasonably successful at the top level. This comment from a post-Marseille article caught my interestYes, AVB ain't a batshit crazy option, actually.
"He managed to forge such a strong team mentality that even when they were not playing well, they would win games."
If there is one thing we do not do, it is that!
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 08, 2021, 11:38:33 AM
I think we all would want ten haag but there is no chance we could get him. If he isnt interested in spurs he wont come here.
I think he will wait for united job
He'll have a wait then as apparently OGS is safe at United.
Post by: Rory on November 08, 2021, 11:39:06 AM
Let's not act like Man Utd fans.
Post by: Smithy on November 08, 2021, 11:40:04 AM
Never really got Martinez. Did okay at Wigan but I never thought they were an entertaining side.
I think he's got a bit lucky with a once-in-a-lifetime set of players with Belgium, which has got them where they are today. And he got that job almost immediately after being sacked by Everton for back-to-back 11th place league finishes. I have no doubt he's played his part in Belgium's success, but they're ranked number one without having won anything, and I think even I could keep Belgium in the top 5 in the world given the quality of their squad.
I honestly can't remember enough about how his teams played to know what sort of manager he would be? Do his teams always play the same way? (Didn't the Everton fans protest against him towards the end?
Post by: Pat Mustard on November 08, 2021, 11:40:46 AM
It's fucking Leicester mate. We did it before, and if we're serious we could do it again.
Their squad is much better than ours though.
And 7 years ago they were a solid Championship club having spent the last decade there or lower.
Squads change quickly, but they've got a shitter ground, shitter training facilities, shitter owners, etc, etc. Everything is ready at the Villa to go way beyond what he can achieve at Leicester.
They've just spent £100 million on a new training ground that's possibly the best in Europe, and have just had a 10,000 increase to capacity approved - say what you like about Leicester, but at the moment they are ahead of us on and off the pitch. That's not to say we couldn't achieve more, but would you swap that at the moment from a club that's just sacked the bloke who brought them back the bottom half of the Championship after losing 5 games in a row?
Post by: Ad@m on November 08, 2021, 11:42:31 AM
It's fucking Leicester mate. We did it before, and if we're serious we could do it again.
Leicester are better than us. Alot better and have been for years. Thats the sad reality.
Not going to happen
Christ - I'm glad you're not our CEO.
The way you're going on we'd be lucky to tempt Fat Dave away from his role managing a mid-table Sunday League team!
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2021, 11:43:38 AM
I enjoy some of the ambition being shown, but I don't think we should be disrespecting other clubs. If we are such a great opportunity, we shouldn't need to belittle Brighton, Leicester or anybody else.
Let's not act like Man Utd fans.
You're right, of course, but it is Leicester City
And I'm irked by comments I've read in the last week or so by Brighton and Southampton fans that have serious cases of the Rupert Lowes.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 08, 2021, 11:48:09 AM
Martinez is a mythical blagger. Don't want him anywhere near the place. I would sooner have Gerrard.
Same here, a Martinez and and Henry combo is the nightmare scenario for me.
It will either be a 'wow' appointment or Gerrard (who I've always rated and is a good egg, Stevie G's claret and blue army, A-V-F-C...*)
*Hopefully that will jinx him.
Post by: Smithy on November 08, 2021, 11:48:53 AM
It's fucking Leicester mate. We did it before, and if we're serious we could do it again.
Leicester are better than us. Alot better and have been for years. Thats the sad reality.
Not going to happen
Christ - I'm glad you're not our CEO.
The way you're going on we'd be lucky to tempt Fat Dave away from his role managing a mid-table Sunday League team!
But he's right. They are better than us - right now (in terms of where they've finished the last few years, European football etc). BUT - and this is the important bit - we have a MUCH higher ceiling, and THAT is the selling point.
It might be that the right manager could get our current squad to compete for the European places, but the selling point for us surely has to be what this club COULD be, and the resources available, not what they will inherit on day one. That might be enough for Rodgers to be tempted. Maybe.
Post by: Dave on November 08, 2021, 11:49:38 AM
I think we all would want ten haag but there is no chance we could get him. If he isnt interested in spurs he wont come here.
I think he will wait for united job
He'll have a wait then as apparently OGS is safe at United.
There was plenty of talk that Smith was safe with us two games ago.
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2021, 11:49:56 AM
You know, I think I'd rather have Rooney than fucking Gerrard.
Post by: Rory on November 08, 2021, 11:50:31 AM
I enjoy some of the ambition being shown, but I don't think we should be disrespecting other clubs. If we are such a great opportunity, we shouldn't need to belittle Brighton, Leicester or anybody else.
Let's not act like Man Utd fans.
You're right, of course, but it is Leicester City
And I'm irked by comments I've read in the last week or so by Brighton and Southampton fans that have serious cases of the Rupert Lowes.
We are a bigger club with higher potential, but Leicester have had a fantastic few years and I don't think we should expect to be able to stroll in and poach their manager.
Balls to comments by fans and the media, fuck the lot of them.
Post by: rob_bridge on November 08, 2021, 11:51:17 AM
He turned us down before, he can fuck off.
In hindsight he did the right thing by himself.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 11:54:38 AM
Never really got Martinez. Did okay at Wigan but I never thought they were an entertaining side.
I think he's got a bit lucky with a once-in-a-lifetime set of players with Belgium, which has got them where they are today. And he got that job almost immediately after being sacked by Everton for back-to-back 11th place league finishes. I have no doubt he's played his part in Belgium's success, but they're ranked number one without having won anything, and I think even I could keep Belgium in the top 5 in the world given the quality of their squad.
I honestly can't remember enough about how his teams played to know what sort of manager he would be? Do his teams always play the same way? (Didn't the Everton fans protest against him towards the end?
yeah they wanted him out at the end. He won the cup at Wigan which is an achievement however you look at it. I Just always considered Wigan a drab side and looking at their squad for the final, it confirms my memory. james Mcarthur, shaun Maloney, james McCarthy, emerson boyce...
Post by: Drummond on November 08, 2021, 11:58:56 AM
Christ, I thought you were bring serious there for a second.
You know, I think I'd rather have Rooney than fucking Gerrard.
Shudder. But I agree; in a would you rather eat your own shit, or your dog's, kind of way.
Post by: john2710 on November 08, 2021, 11:59:10 AM
If not then he's not in contention & I'm not tolerating using Stevie G.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 08, 2021, 11:59:37 AM
Christ, I thought you were bring serious there for a second.
You know, I think I'd rather have Rooney than fucking Gerrard.
Joey Barton would run him close too.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 08, 2021, 12:00:11 PM
Post by: The Edge on November 08, 2021, 12:00:18 PM
If we really want to be considered a progressive, modern , forward thinking club, why don’t we consider Emma Hayes, the Chelsea women’s manager ? She always comes across as knowing her stuff as a pundit and her side are arguably the best women’s team around.Are you serious? Or am I missing something? I'm good at that.
Go on Villa, how brave are you ?
Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2021, 12:03:41 PM
Nicolò Schira on Twitter:
#AstonVilla are working to convince #RangersGlasgow’s coach Steven #Gerrard to become the new coach of #Villans. Offered 3-years contract. #transfers #AVFC #RangersFC
https://twitter.com/NicoSchira/status/1457673571359236106
Think he's well connected and a pretty respected journalist, so this is a bit of a worry. Purslow wants Gerrard doesn't he?
Post by: Monty on November 08, 2021, 12:04:29 PM
Nicolò Schira on Twitter:
#AstonVilla are working to convince #RangersGlasgow’s coach Steven #Gerrard to become the new coach of #Villans. Offered 3-years contract. #transfers #AVFC #RangersFC
https://twitter.com/NicoSchira/status/1457673571359236106
Think he's well connected and a pretty respected journalist, so this is a bit of a worry. Purslow wants Gerrard doesn't he?
Very, very bad feeling about all this.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 12:06:15 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on November 08, 2021, 12:06:47 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 12:08:02 PM
I feel sick. Worried Dean and NWSE gave us our Villa back just for us to fuck it up again
Nicolò Schira on Twitter:
#AstonVilla are working to convince #RangersGlasgow’s coach Steven #Gerrard to become the new coach of #Villans. Offered 3-years contract. #transfers #AVFC #RangersFC
https://twitter.com/NicoSchira/status/1457673571359236106
Think he's well connected and a pretty respected journalist, so this is a bit of a worry. Purslow wants Gerrard doesn't he?
Very, very bad feeling about all this.
Post by: Villan82 on November 08, 2021, 12:08:14 PM
Post by: danno on November 08, 2021, 12:08:41 PM
Don't care about the stepping stone aspect, I just think he's a melt.
Post by: jwarry on November 08, 2021, 12:09:01 PM
Post by: wince on November 08, 2021, 12:09:33 PM
Post by: Vegas on November 08, 2021, 12:12:23 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 08, 2021, 12:13:40 PM
The only criteria for the new manager is can we fit his name into the Super John McGinn song?
If not then he's not in contention & I'm not tolerating using Stevie G.
We already have a song for Stevie G
Post by: caster troy on November 08, 2021, 12:15:31 PM
After I wanted Deano gone it would truly redefine 'be careful what you wish for.'
Post by: algy on November 08, 2021, 12:15:44 PM
The only criteria for the new manager is can we fit his name into the Super John McGinn song?"He's Zinadine's man, he's better than Zidane"
If not then he's not in contention & I'm not tolerating using Stevie G.
Surely?
Post by: Fred Crump on November 08, 2021, 12:16:21 PM
There’s a manager available who is popular with his players, and has taken his last club from mid table in tier two, to mid table in tier one in 3 seasons. In the toughest league on the world. While handling multiple injuries and international travel commitments.Yep, get Deano back , quick ! Please not Gerrard
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 12:16:43 PM
Post by: KevinGage on November 08, 2021, 12:17:54 PM
On ts the villa fans who called in have said they want Gerrard. One even said he wants Lampard. Jesus
Lampard would be a absolute disaster and ia no upgrade on smith. Id have rather have kept Smith than Lampard.
Hell no to frank
I'm listening aswell. In minority but I actually like listening to Danny Murphy. However he's certainly got an issue with us. Him just dismissing the Villa fan who said how well West Ham were doing after battling us in relegation in 19/20 was ridiculous.
Didn't he pen an article a few years back saying he found Villa Park a really drab place to play at compared to likes of Elland Road?
I assume his ex wife or his former hairdresser is a Villa fan.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2021, 12:18:39 PM
Fair query, Edge, as I know I can be flippant sometimes, but no, on this occasion, absolutely serious. I’d prefer her over Gerrard, Hassenhutl and some of the other dreary journeymen put forward. We would be picking her as a manager / coach, not a player, ex or otherwise, after all.I'd like to see her in the mens game at some point, but betting our billion pound future on the first woman coach in the elite mens game would just be far too risky for me. If she'd works her way up and proves she can successfully manage the egos in the mens dressing room at a very high level, then I'd be perfectly happy to look at her.
Post by: john e on November 08, 2021, 12:18:58 PM
He’s Purslows man He knows him he likes him he won’t care about what anybody else thinks
Gerard for me is not a significant upgrade on Dean Smith in fact I don’t think he’s an upgrade at all
Obviously time will tell and we’ll have to wait and see
But this was always my concern with Purslow I never did trust him to get it right
But it’s not happened yet so you never know
Post by: Monty on November 08, 2021, 12:19:43 PM
Are we really that small-time? Emery was by all accounts pretty keen on Newcastle, as was Fonseca. They're in the actual relegation zone with Joelinton up front. Everton got Ancellotti! I mean, we couldn't even put in a call to Emery or Fonseca? Or Villas-Boas? Or anyone with a reputation as an actual coach?
Post by: Dave on November 08, 2021, 12:21:20 PM
Steven Gerrard, I mean to say...
Are we really that small-time? Emery was by all accounts pretty keen on Newcastle, as was Fonseca. They're in the actual relegation zone with Joelinton up front. Everton got Ancellotti! I mean, we couldn't even put in a call to Emery or Fonseca? Or Villas-Boas? Or anyone with a reputation as an actual coach?
It would feel very "just because Lambert is doing a bad job it doesn't mean you debase yourself by hiring Tim Sherwood"
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 12:22:12 PM
Post by: Rigadon on November 08, 2021, 12:22:56 PM
Steven Gerrard, I mean to say...
Are we really that small-time? Emery was by all accounts pretty keen on Newcastle, as was Fonseca. They're in the actual relegation zone with Joelinton up front. Everton got Ancellotti! I mean, we couldn't even put in a call to Emery or Fonseca? Or Villas-Boas? Or anyone with a reputation as an actual coach?
I think Gerrard will be a good manager one day, but I agree, let him learn the trade somewhere other than Villa park. Now is the time to act like the big wealthy club that we are.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2021, 12:23:29 PM
Steven Gerrard, I mean to say...I'm with Monty. This is our chance to make a statement. But I reckon Purslow's had his head turned by the 'glamour' of Stevie G.
Are we really that small-time? Emery was by all accounts pretty keen on Newcastle, as was Fonseca. They're in the actual relegation zone with Joelinton up front. Everton got Ancellotti! I mean, we couldn't even put in a call to Emery or Fonseca? Or Villas-Boas? Or anyone with a reputation as an actual coach?
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 12:23:54 PM
Steven Gerrard, I mean to say...Exactly this - we keep on hearing how ambitious we are as a club, if we appoint Gerrard then we might as well give up now
Are we really that small-time? Emery was by all accounts pretty keen on Newcastle, as was Fonseca. They're in the actual relegation zone with Joelinton up front. Everton got Ancellotti! I mean, we couldn't even put in a call to Emery or Fonseca? Or Villas-Boas? Or anyone with a reputation as an actual coach?
Post by: Rory on November 08, 2021, 12:24:00 PM
Steven Gerrard, I mean to say...
Are we really that small-time? Emery was by all accounts pretty keen on Newcastle, as was Fonseca. They're in the actual relegation zone with Joelinton up front. Everton got Ancellotti! I mean, we couldn't even put in a call to Emery or Fonseca? Or Villas-Boas? Or anyone with a reputation as an actual coach?
And Tottenham just got Conte.
If the best option available to us is Gerrard than we must have fallen further than I ever dreamed possible.
Post by: Fred Crump on November 08, 2021, 12:25:23 PM
If so I would like to volunteer.
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2021, 12:27:07 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 08, 2021, 12:29:02 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 08, 2021, 12:29:12 PM
Post by: Des Little on November 08, 2021, 12:29:15 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 08, 2021, 12:30:04 PM
Mods, are we allowed to start a “Gerrard out “ thread before he’s “ in” ?
If so I would like to volunteer.
Can we have a new Smith In thread please!!
Post by: Monty on November 08, 2021, 12:30:13 PM
Post by: Smithy on November 08, 2021, 12:30:47 PM
It would also be a gamble for Gerrard. What if he takes the job and this time next year we're still a mid-table club with no discernable improvement on Dean's 11th place finish? Not that I care about his managerial career, but he'd have to be supremely confident in his coaching ability to even consider a job like Villa right now.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 12:31:28 PM
Post by: Des Little on November 08, 2021, 12:31:29 PM
Post by: danno on November 08, 2021, 12:32:13 PM
He may or may not be a good manager. But it's an unbelievably massive risk, and all because Purslow wants to strut around with a Superstar. Why not just appoint Hulk Hogan then? Or Mr. T? If he does come I hope to God we all look stupid, but it would be an embarrassing appointment to begin with.
Mr T would be alright until we got into Europe.
Post by: Goldenballs on November 08, 2021, 12:32:27 PM
Smith would've achieved much more in Scotland than Gerrard has. It's just because he's a 'name'. Rubbish!
(although the usual small print applies, I'll give him a fair crack etc etc)
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 12:33:00 PM
So he would be ok as Gerrards asssistantHe may or may not be a good manager. But it's an unbelievably massive risk, and all because Purslow wants to strut around with a Superstar. Why not just appoint Hulk Hogan then? Or Mr. T? If he does come I hope to God we all look stupid, but it would be an embarrassing appointment to begin with.
Mr T would be alright until we got into Europe.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 08, 2021, 12:34:36 PM
Percy saying that the short list will be “ambitious”
Make of that what you will
Where is he saying this? I didn't see anything recent on twitter.
Post by: KevinGage on November 08, 2021, 12:35:06 PM
Carragher said on Sky yesterday that he doesn’t think Gerrard will leave Rangers right now - that although Villa would be very tempting, he wants a couple more trophies and at least one more title before leaving. In his opinion (and he’s obviously close to Gerrard).
Do the right thing, Stevie.
Win a few more trophies in the part time league.
Then see if you can step up to an ambitious League Two club. Get them into the Championship in a few years and then give it a go at Watford, Burnleh or Brighton.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 12:35:27 PM
Post by: danno on November 08, 2021, 12:37:34 PM
So he would be ok as Gerrards asssistantHe may or may not be a good manager. But it's an unbelievably massive risk, and all because Purslow wants to strut around with a Superstar. Why not just appoint Hulk Hogan then? Or Mr. T? If he does come I hope to God we all look stupid, but it would be an embarrassing appointment to begin with.
Mr T would be alright until we got into Europe.
Taking orders from George Peppard to putting out cones for Steven Gerrard... the only time I want to see Mr T and Gerrard together would be if they reenacted the start of Rocky III.
Post by: wince on November 08, 2021, 12:38:38 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2021, 12:38:38 PM
I'd happily boo the fucker to the dugout, and I'm not that sort of person.Why?
I understand why people think he may not be qualified. But why do you hate him?
(not just you - it's a general question)
Post by: Clampy on November 08, 2021, 12:40:55 PM
You have to question what Purslow is doing to earn his money if he basically decides to appoint his mate rather than somebody actually qualified.
Who has he appointed then?
Post by: john2710 on November 08, 2021, 12:42:14 PM
I'd happily boo the fucker to the dugout, and I'm not that sort of person.Why?
I understand why people think he may not be qualified. But why do you hate him?
(not just you - it's a general question)
There's quite a few who would have said the same about John Terry (myself included)
Post by: Monty on November 08, 2021, 12:42:59 PM
You have to question what Purslow is doing to earn his money if he basically decides to appoint his mate rather than somebody actually qualified.
Who has he appointed then?
'If'.
In any case he is, by all accounts, considering Gerrard. Of which a generous interpretation would be that it's a massive risk.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 08, 2021, 12:43:19 PM
He may or may not be a good manager. But it's an unbelievably massive risk, and all because Purslow wants to strut around with a Superstar. Why not just appoint Hulk Hogan then? Or Mr. T? If he does come I hope to God we all look stupid, but it would be an embarrassing appointment to begin with.
Mr T would be alright until we got into Europe.
I pity the fool who would appoint him.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 12:43:58 PM
Post by: aev on November 08, 2021, 12:46:53 PM
He's a ******. He beats up DJs for not playing his sort of music, he tried to cripple George Boateng, he dived to win a free kick that Liverpool scored from to beat us one-nil, he then said "these things even themselves out over the course of a season" before berating the referee when Liverpool had a similar decision go against them the very next week, he wore a T-shirt showing solidarity with a racist teammate, he manages a repulsive football club and refuses to call out their sectarianism. Happy?
Didn't the bust up with the DJ occur because the DJ kept playing the same song over and over again (think it was something by Kid Creole) that was basically goading Gerrard?
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2021, 12:47:38 PM
He's a ******. He beats up DJs for not playing his sort of music, he tried to cripple George Boateng, he dived to win a free kick that Liverpool scored from to beat us one-nil, he then said "these things even themselves out over the course of a season" before berating the referee when Liverpool had a similar decision go against them the very next week, he wore a T-shirt showing solidarity with a racist teammate, he manages a repulsive football club and refuses to call out their sectarianism. Happy?
Thank you brother for saving me the time.
He's also got that shifty, snidey look about him.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 08, 2021, 12:47:49 PM
Gerrard, Martinez and Hjulmand are on it.
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2021, 12:48:29 PM
Post by: Monty on November 08, 2021, 12:48:44 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 08, 2021, 12:49:51 PM
It's fucking Leicester mate. We did it before, and if we're serious we could do it again.
Leicester are better than us. Alot better and have been for years. Thats the sad reality.
Not going to happen
Christ - I'm glad you're not our CEO.
The way you're going on we'd be lucky to tempt Fat Dave away from his role managing a mid-table Sunday League team!
Im glad your not our ceo as you would embarass our club by the amount of rejections we would get if you would go for managers like rodgers.
No offence mate but if you think we are getting rodgers i think your in fantasy land.
Why on earth would he give up europe to come to come to a team un 15th and in draedful form? Forget your a villa fan for a second explain why anyone would? They just won a fa cup and have a very strong side.
It makes absolutely zero sense for him ro join us right now
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2021, 12:50:44 PM
Actually don't really care about that stuff particularly, though obviously doesn't endear him to me. Just on football grounds the thing is pretty embarrassing.
There's so many reasons not to do it. It's all very Tom Fox's shortlist of one. I fear it could end in the same mess.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 08, 2021, 12:51:44 PM
If it were Martinez then my mates would have a right laugh because I've been calling him the biggest chancer in football since his Everton days.
I'll wait to get actually annoyed though until it happens. Or happy, you never know, could all be lazy journalism.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 12:52:18 PM
He's a ******. He beats up DJs for not playing his sort of music, he tried to cripple George Boateng, he dived to win a free kick that Liverpool scored from to beat us one-nil, he then said "these things even themselves out over the course of a season" before berating the referee when Liverpool had a similar decision go against them the very next week, he wore a T-shirt showing solidarity with a racist teammate, he manages a repulsive football club and refuses to call out their sectarianism. Happy?
Didn't the bust up with the DJ occur because the DJ kept playing the same song over and over again (think it was something by Kid Creole) that was basically goading Gerrard?
Oh, the poor lamb.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2021, 12:52:22 PM
He's a ******. He beats up DJs for not playing his sort of music, he tried to cripple George Boateng, he dived to win a free kick that Liverpool scored from to beat us one-nil, he then said "these things even themselves out over the course of a season" before berating the referee when Liverpool had a similar decision go against them the very next week, he wore a T-shirt showing solidarity with a racist teammate, he manages a repulsive football club and refuses to call out their sectarianism. Happy?Not really, no. I'm not going to present a 'case for' but most of that sounds pretty tenuous stuff to me really - the on-field stuff is the sort of stuff that happens all the time. I see who he manages in Scotland is a big issue to you, but that's more your problem than his.
I don't really want him as manager, but for very differnt reasons to you clearly.
Post by: KevinGage on November 08, 2021, 12:54:15 PM
It's not a McDonald's vacancy.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 12:54:20 PM
To be fair - Villas not for him, as it seems to be a bit of a broken recordHe's a ******. He beats up DJs for not playing his sort of music, he tried to cripple George Boateng, he dived to win a free kick that Liverpool scored from to beat us one-nil, he then said "these things even themselves out over the course of a season" before berating the referee when Liverpool had a similar decision go against them the very next week, he wore a T-shirt showing solidarity with a racist teammate, he manages a repulsive football club and refuses to call out their sectarianism. Happy?
Didn't the bust up with the DJ occur because the DJ kept playing the same song over and over again (think it was something by Kid Creole) that was basically goading Gerrard?
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 12:55:46 PM
If he takes it, he'll kiss the Liverpool job good bye - simple as that. I can only think of SGT that has gone on to have a career after Villa.
If Klopp came here, his next job would be with Sheffield Wednesday
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 12:56:57 PM
He's a ******. He beats up DJs for not playing his sort of music, he tried to cripple George Boateng, he dived to win a free kick that Liverpool scored from to beat us one-nil, he then said "these things even themselves out over the course of a season" before berating the referee when Liverpool had a similar decision go against them the very next week, he wore a T-shirt showing solidarity with a racist teammate, he manages a repulsive football club and refuses to call out their sectarianism. Happy?Not really, no. I'm not going to present a 'case for' but most of that sounds pretty tenuous stuff to me really - the on-field stuff is the sort of stuff that happens all the time. I see who he manages in Scotland is a big issue to you, but that's more your problem than his.
I don't really want him as manager, but for very differnt reasons to you clearly.
So GBH, racism and sectarianism aren't a problem for you? You don't have to agree but I hope it has cured your bewilderment at why others might not approve of him.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 08, 2021, 12:58:04 PM
Hate any bollocks notions of a shortlist.Depends who the other 2 are, mind!
It's not a McDonald's vacancy.
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2021, 12:58:20 PM
Gerrard makes no sense for anyone.
If he takes it, he'll kiss the Liverpool job good bye - simple as that. I can only think of SGT that has gone on to have a career after Villa.
If Klopp came here, his next job would be with Sheffield Wednesday
"So Pep, why do you think the Burton job is the right move, after what happened at Villa Park?"
Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2021, 01:01:16 PM
The DJ thing doesn't bother me at all - sounds like the guy deserves a slap.He's a ******. He beats up DJs for not playing his sort of music, he tried to cripple George Boateng, he dived to win a free kick that Liverpool scored from to beat us one-nil, he then said "these things even themselves out over the course of a season" before berating the referee when Liverpool had a similar decision go against them the very next week, he wore a T-shirt showing solidarity with a racist teammate, he manages a repulsive football club and refuses to call out their sectarianism. Happy?Not really, no. I'm not going to present a 'case for' but most of that sounds pretty tenuous stuff to me really - the on-field stuff is the sort of stuff that happens all the time. I see who he manages in Scotland is a big issue to you, but that's more your problem than his.
I don't really want him as manager, but for very differnt reasons to you clearly.
So GBH, racism and sectarianism aren't a problem for you? You don't have to agree but I hope it has cured your bewilderment at why others might not approve of him.
I'd certainly have a problem if he was racist or sectarian. I strongly suspect he isn't.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 08, 2021, 01:01:40 PM
He's a ******. He beats up DJs for not playing his sort of music, he tried to cripple George Boateng, he dived to win a free kick that Liverpool scored from to beat us one-nil, he then said "these things even themselves out over the course of a season" before berating the referee when Liverpool had a similar decision go against them the very next week, he wore a T-shirt showing solidarity with a racist teammate, he manages a repulsive football club and refuses to call out their sectarianism. Happy?Not really, no. I'm not going to present a 'case for' but most of that sounds pretty tenuous stuff to me really - the on-field stuff is the sort of stuff that happens all the time. I see who he manages in Scotland is a big issue to you, but that's more your problem than his.
I don't really want him as manager, but for very differnt reasons to you clearly.
Kris Commons summed Gerrard up well here:
Commons also believes Villa are a bigger side than Leicester - the team who were able to tempt Celtic's all-conquering manager Brendan Rodgers back to the Premier League in 2019.
And the former Celtic playmaker reckons Gerrard is perhaps blessed to be among the candidates on the basis of his CV so far.
He added: "Listen, Villa are a big club. They are former European champions, have a brilliant stadium, and are extremely well-supported, home and away.
"They are a bigger club than Leicester. I know Leicester had a freak season when they won the league but, historically and traditionally, and in terms of the fanbase, Villa are by far and away the bigger club.
"So, if Brendan Rodgers can leave Celtic for Leicester City, Gerrard can most certainly leave Rangers for Villa. It's not out of the question.
"But Rodgers already had real pedigree as a manager. He established Swansea in the Premier League and came within a whisker of winning the title at Liverpool all achieved while playing brilliant attacking football.
"He then came to Scotland and was winning domestic Trebles year in, year out with Celtic as well as securing Champions League football.
"Gerrard hasn't done any of that. He's only won one trophy out of a possible nine across three seasons at Rangers.
"Presented with the chance of getting them into the Champions League, they blew it spectacularly against Malmo at the start of this season."
"So, when you look at it like that, he's actually fortunate to be getting linked with jobs like Newcastle and Villa.
"It's largely through his reputation, along with some decent results in the Europa League.
"If I was putting money on it, I reckon he will probably stay at Rangers. But stranger things have happened."
Post by: olaftab on November 08, 2021, 01:01:41 PM
Purslow needs to recognise that he is not here to help Liverpool.
Nicolò Schira on Twitter:
#AstonVilla are working to convince #RangersGlasgow’s coach Steven #Gerrard to become the new coach of #Villans. Offered 3-years contract. #transfers #AVFC #RangersFC
https://twitter.com/NicoSchira/status/1457673571359236106
Think he's well connected and a pretty respected journalist, so this is a bit of a worry. Purslow wants Gerrard doesn't he?
Very, very bad feeling about all this.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 08, 2021, 01:03:43 PM
Didn't the bust up with the DJ occur because the DJ kept playing the same song over and over again (think it was something by Kid Creole) that was basically goading Gerrard?
You might get more sympathy from CDBWF if you suggested it was a U2 song.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 01:04:02 PM
He's a ******. He beats up DJs for not playing his sort of music, he tried to cripple George Boateng, he dived to win a free kick that Liverpool scored from to beat us one-nil, he then said "these things even themselves out over the course of a season" before berating the referee when Liverpool had a similar decision go against them the very next week, he wore a T-shirt showing solidarity with a racist teammate, he manages a repulsive football club and refuses to call out their sectarianism. Happy?
Didn't the bust up with the DJ occur because the DJ kept playing the same song over and over again (think it was something by Kid Creole) that was basically goading Gerrard?
what really kicked things off was he went up and asked for some Phil Collins and the DJ put on No son of mine by Genesis*
*not really
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 01:05:49 PM
The DJ thing doesn't bother me at all - sounds like the guy deserves a slap.He's a ******. He beats up DJs for not playing his sort of music, he tried to cripple George Boateng, he dived to win a free kick that Liverpool scored from to beat us one-nil, he then said "these things even themselves out over the course of a season" before berating the referee when Liverpool had a similar decision go against them the very next week, he wore a T-shirt showing solidarity with a racist teammate, he manages a repulsive football club and refuses to call out their sectarianism. Happy?Not really, no. I'm not going to present a 'case for' but most of that sounds pretty tenuous stuff to me really - the on-field stuff is the sort of stuff that happens all the time. I see who he manages in Scotland is a big issue to you, but that's more your problem than his.
I don't really want him as manager, but for very differnt reasons to you clearly.
So GBH, racism and sectarianism aren't a problem for you? You don't have to agree but I hope it has cured your bewilderment at why others might not approve of him.
In the nicest possible way, you sound like an absolute dickhead here.
Post by: Ads on November 08, 2021, 01:05:53 PM
Post by: olaftab on November 08, 2021, 01:08:22 PM
I've heard there's a shortlist of 5.I hope we choose from the other two unless those names are Allardyce and Pulis.
Gerrard, Martinez and Hjulmand are on it.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 08, 2021, 01:11:38 PM
In all seriousness though it's one big risk on his part to become successful here to get the Liverpool gig. He has much more of a chance if he stays up there and wins a few more titles. On that basis I don't think he'll come.
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 01:12:35 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 08, 2021, 01:13:28 PM
I've heard there's a shortlist of 5.I hope we choose from the other two unless those names are Allardyce and Pulis.
Gerrard, Martinez and Hjulmand are on it.
There's a Sky link saying there's a shortlist of 5, but then speculating about whether or not people are on it. So, as usual, nobody actually knows.
There will be agents planting stories, perhaps we will be planting stories. Whichever, we'll no doubt find out in due course.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 01:13:47 PM
If you have a local DJ you don't like then I'd be getting excited.
In all seriousness though it's one big risk on his part to become successful here to get the Liverpool gig. He has much more of a chance if he stays up there and wins a few more titles. On that basis I don't think he'll come.
Depends what money they throw at him. If he's promised 100m for players then why wouldn't he?
Post by: Rigadon on November 08, 2021, 01:15:28 PM
If you have a local DJ you don't like then I'd be getting excited.
In all seriousness though it's one big risk on his part to become successful here to get the Liverpool gig. He has much more of a chance if he stays up there and wins a few more titles. On that basis I don't think he'll come.
Depends what money they throw at him. If he's promised 100m for players then why wouldn't he?
Wrongly, £100m is nothing outlandish these days, when you're target is CL qualification.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 08, 2021, 01:16:26 PM
Hate any bollocks notions of a shortlist.
It's not a McDonald's vacancy.
Do you want fries with that?
Post by: TonyD on November 08, 2021, 01:18:29 PM
Praying to god no!
Some real depressing shit being touted about.
Let’s hope we can find another Touchel.
Post by: Ads on November 08, 2021, 01:19:06 PM
Nicolò Schira on Twitter:
#AstonVilla are working to convince #RangersGlasgow’s coach Steven #Gerrard to become the new coach of #Villans. Offered 3-years contract. #transfers #AVFC #RangersFC
https://twitter.com/NicoSchira/status/1457673571359236106
Think he's well connected and a pretty respected journalist, so this is a bit of a worry. Purslow wants Gerrard doesn't he?
He's a charlatan of epic proportions. Ignore anything he says. Not a journo at all.
One of the Mirror Sports writers outed him as a plagiarising fake.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 08, 2021, 01:20:20 PM
If you have a local DJ you don't like then I'd be getting excited.
In all seriousness though it's one big risk on his part to become successful here to get the Liverpool gig. He has much more of a chance if he stays up there and wins a few more titles. On that basis I don't think he'll come.
Depends what money they throw at him. If he's promised 100m for players then why wouldn't he?
Still doesn't guarantee anything compared to in Scotland. We could have 500 million in January but you still need to attract elite players which is also why Newcastle fans are in for a shock.
Post by: usav on November 08, 2021, 01:20:23 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 01:21:07 PM
If you have a local DJ you don't like then I'd be getting excited.
In all seriousness though it's one big risk on his part to become successful here to get the Liverpool gig. He has much more of a chance if he stays up there and wins a few more titles. On that basis I don't think he'll come.
Depends what money they throw at him. If he's promised 100m for players then why wouldn't he?
Wrongly, £100m is nothing outlandish these days, when you're target is CL qualification.
yeah but we've got a good squad ,if unbalanced and threadbare in some areas. Another 3 or 4 30m players in January or this summer and he'd really have to feck up not to make an improvement. Who else in the premier league is going to give him that money based on success at Rangers? He won't get the Liverpool job based on Scotland success alone. The board may just back him if they're such Gerrard fanboys.
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 01:22:32 PM
Surprised Potter is not getting a mention.
Wish he was..take him over Gerrard and fecking Martinez
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2021, 01:24:37 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2021, 01:25:30 PM
There's no need for that. I'm just not going to cry for someone who seems to have gone out of his way to wind soemone up for a whole night and gets his comeuppanceThe DJ thing doesn't bother me at all - sounds like the guy deserves a slap.He's a ******. He beats up DJs for not playing his sort of music, he tried to cripple George Boateng, he dived to win a free kick that Liverpool scored from to beat us one-nil, he then said "these things even themselves out over the course of a season" before berating the referee when Liverpool had a similar decision go against them the very next week, he wore a T-shirt showing solidarity with a racist teammate, he manages a repulsive football club and refuses to call out their sectarianism. Happy?Not really, no. I'm not going to present a 'case for' but most of that sounds pretty tenuous stuff to me really - the on-field stuff is the sort of stuff that happens all the time. I see who he manages in Scotland is a big issue to you, but that's more your problem than his.
I don't really want him as manager, but for very differnt reasons to you clearly.
So GBH, racism and sectarianism aren't a problem for you? You don't have to agree but I hope it has cured your bewilderment at why others might not approve of him.
In the nicest possible way, you sound like an absolute dickhead here.
Post by: TonyD on November 08, 2021, 01:26:02 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 08, 2021, 01:27:39 PM
Hate any bollocks notions of a shortlist.
It's not a McDonald's vacancy.
Thanks for that nugget.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 08, 2021, 01:29:46 PM
Appointing him would be starfucking, pure and simple.
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 01:31:42 PM
What I don't get, if Dean Smith isn't the person to take us to the next level, then in what way is Gerrard (1 cup out of 9 in a piss poor league) any better qualified?
Appointing him would be starfucking, pure and simple.
Purslow strikes me as the type
Post by: simboy on November 08, 2021, 01:32:17 PM
I don't think Gerrard will be getting the Liverpool job any time soon. Klopp's only 54, I can see him being there for the next ten years at least.
Gerrard? No thanks.
No experience of the Prem as a manager [which was a major criticism of Smith]. No experience of English club football as a manager. Plays in a league where he's won 1 trophy, despite being the second biggest team. I'd rather have Fat Frank ... and that is saying something!
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 01:32:21 PM
And just about every time, we prove them right.
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2021, 01:34:35 PM
I don't think Gerrard will be getting the Liverpool job any time soon. Klopp's only 54, I can see him being there for the next ten years at least.
Gerrard? No thanks.
No experience of the Prem as a manager [which was a major criticism of Smith]. No experience of English club football as a manager. Plays in a league where he's won 1 trophy, despite being the second biggest team. I'd rather have Fat Frank ... and that is saying something!
I wasn't suggesting him, just saying that I don't think we'd be any kind of stepping stone for the Liverpool job.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 01:35:01 PM
It feels like every time we have a managerial vacancy, we have to put up with supporters of all kinds of tinpot clubs saying that Villa should know their place and the idea of them attracting a really top manager is delusional, why would anyone good want to join Villa?This 100%
And just about every time, we prove them right.
Post by: Drummond on November 08, 2021, 01:37:09 PM
Unless there's someone seriously good available to us, we'll be left doing this again soon. I'm just hoping that the background work and developijg the whole club will pay off.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 08, 2021, 01:37:38 PM
Post by: danno on November 08, 2021, 01:38:44 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on November 08, 2021, 01:48:35 PM
My objection is to the inevitable Sky led media love in which will follow ( for him , not us) which will lead us to be known as “Stephen Gerrard’s Aston Villa” , in much the same way as we were “John Terry’s Aston Villa” for a few months, only x 10.
The story will be all about him, not Villa. If he succeeds , we will be seen as the mediocre little northern* team who got lucky solely because of his genius. If he struggles, we will have been the basket case who dragged him down and who weren’t worthy of his talents. Either way we lose.
Stevie G’s mighty Villa YNWA …. No thanks
* Northern because the Midlands doesn’t exist to Sky, obviously.
Post by: simboy on November 08, 2021, 01:49:53 PM
If we are appointing a candidate with no Prem League experience then we need to look at the "big 5" leagues and who's done well there, consistently. I would go for Lucien Favre. Kasper Hjulmand has done nothing at club level, his record in the Bundersleague is terrible, Fonseca seems to be hit and miss. Gerard shouldn't be anywhere near the list.
Is Deano the modern Vic Crowe or Tony Barton?
Post by: Ad@m on November 08, 2021, 01:52:01 PM
It's fucking Leicester mate. We did it before, and if we're serious we could do it again.
Leicester are better than us. Alot better and have been for years. Thats the sad reality.
Not going to happen
Christ - I'm glad you're not our CEO.
The way you're going on we'd be lucky to tempt Fat Dave away from his role managing a mid-table Sunday League team!
Im glad your not our ceo as you would embarass our club by the amount of rejections we would get if you would go for managers like rodgers.
No offence mate but if you think we are getting rodgers i think your in fantasy land.
Why on earth would he give up europe to come to come to a team un 15th and in draedful form? Forget your a villa fan for a second explain why anyone would? They just won a fa cup and have a very strong side.
It makes absolutely zero sense for him ro join us right now
Of course - why would he want to manage Aston Villa when he could be managing Leicester against Legia Warsaw.
FFS, managing in the Europa League isn't quite the dream ticket you seen to think it is. Any manager with ambition wants to manage in the Champions League and he's not going to be doing that regularly at Leicester.
But if he gets things right with us, and our gazillionaire owners, he could be.
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 08, 2021, 01:52:29 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 01:54:35 PM
That said, I'd certainly give him a chance ahead of that twat Gerrard if those are our two main candidates.
Post by: Ads on November 08, 2021, 01:54:42 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on November 08, 2021, 01:55:29 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 08, 2021, 01:56:50 PM
Ideally with someone who knows about defending as well as attacking in tow, though.
Post by: Rory on November 08, 2021, 01:57:00 PM
My objection to Stephen Gerrard is not personal or professional . He’s a young manager who has done ok in his short career so far , so may have potential, who knows, and he seems considered and thoughtful in the few interviews I’ve seen him do as a manager.
My objection is to the inevitable Sky led media love in which will follow ( for him , not us) which will lead us to be known as “Stephen Gerrard’s Aston Villa” , in much the same way as we were “John Terry’s Aston Villa” for a few months, only x 10.
The story will be all about him, not Villa. If he succeeds , we will be seen as the mediocre little northern* team who got lucky solely because of his genius. If he struggles, we will have been the basket case who dragged him down and who weren’t worthy of his talents. Either way we lose.
Stevie G’s mighty Villa YNWA …. No thanks
* Northern because the Midlands doesn’t exist to Sky, obviously.
I strongly disliked him as a player and think he's a miserable prick of a man, but this sums up why the rational me doesn't want him anywhere near us.
Not arsed about the Rangers connection - if they had a really good, proven manager, I'd be happy to take him off them.
But Gerrard hasn't proven himself to be worthy of this step up, much less shown that he'd be worth having to endure the redscouse media circus that would accompany him.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 01:58:16 PM
Martinez would be a decent appointment.
Ideally with someone who knows about defending as well as attacking in tow, though.
Thierry and "Super" Shaun...
Post by: john e on November 08, 2021, 01:58:29 PM
I like his passing and possession based football
I remember the Everton fans moaning about him saying he only had one way to play and couldn’t change from that
Thing is that one way is Ball on the ground short quick passing and movement retain possession that’s his style and he doesn’t deviate
To be honest that will do me
I also think he’s a decent respectful bloke as well and I don’t believe the bullshit that went about him turning us down that was a Whelan PR trick
He might not have won the World Cup with Belgium but hey that’s pretty tough ask no matter you’ve got
He’s been Belgium’s international manager for a few years now I honestly don’t think we are in a position to be turning the likes of Martinez down if it’s a possibility
He has to be a better bet than Lampard Gerard etc
Post by: brontebilly on November 08, 2021, 02:01:43 PM
If we go by statistics in the Prem then Martinez with Everton and Swansea is the best of a pretty poor bunch. That, sadly means you have to ignore his abject failure at Wigwam. Plays quite decent football which may suit our players. Nuno is the second "best" pick from that "pool".
If we are appointing a candidate with no Prem League experience then we need to look at the "big 5" leagues and who's done well there, consistently. I would go for Lucien Favre. Kasper Hjulmand has done nothing at club level, his record in the Bundersleague is terrible, Fonseca seems to be hit and miss. Gerard shouldn't be anywhere near the list.
Is Deano the modern Vic Crowe or Tony Barton?
Was hardly an abject failure at Wigan, they did beat Man City to win the FA Cup. Getting relegated with them was poor but didn't put off Everton too much. I'm struggling to recall why Everton fans were totally against him for a finish.
Definitely a bit of a spoofer, somehow got himself the Belgium job with Henry for whatever reason an assistant. Think he was done a good job there, second best team at last World Cup but their team now ain't what it was. No surprise to me that he would be looking to move on, surely was in the mix for the Spurs and Newcastle jobs of late.
Post by: Villan82 on November 08, 2021, 02:05:30 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2021, 02:05:46 PM
Post by: Monty on November 08, 2021, 02:06:37 PM
Edit: oh eff off Lee, that was my line.
Post by: Smithy on November 08, 2021, 02:07:32 PM
If we go by statistics in the Prem then Martinez with Everton and Swansea is the best of a pretty poor bunch. That, sadly means you have to ignore his abject failure at Wigwam. Plays quite decent football which may suit our players. Nuno is the second "best" pick from that "pool".
If we are appointing a candidate with no Prem League experience then we need to look at the "big 5" leagues and who's done well there, consistently. I would go for Lucien Favre. Kasper Hjulmand has done nothing at club level, his record in the Bundersleague is terrible, Fonseca seems to be hit and miss. Gerard shouldn't be anywhere near the list.
Is Deano the modern Vic Crowe or Tony Barton?
Was hardly an abject failure at Wigan, they did beat Man City to win the FA Cup. Getting relegated with them was poor but didn't put off Everton too much. I'm struggling to recall why Everton fans were totally against him for a finish.
Definitely a bit of a spoofer, somehow got himself the Belgium job with Henry for whatever reason an assistant. Think he was done a good job there, second best team at last World Cup but their team now ain't what it was. No surprise to me that he would be looking to move on, surely was in the mix for the Spurs and Newcastle jobs of late.
I was looking at his Everton record, and I suspect the fans turned on him because of two back-to-back seasons of 11th place. That's off the back a decade of David Moyes getting them 6-8th every season. They were in the European mix pretty much every year for a decade, and then they weren't.
Post by: Walmley_Villa on November 08, 2021, 02:08:05 PM
On another point who was sat behind Purslow at Southampton on Friday and chatting in his ear?
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2021, 02:08:10 PM
Post by: Ian. on November 08, 2021, 02:08:43 PM
I like Martinez always have
I like his passing and possession based football
I remember the Everton fans moaning about him saying he only had one way to play and couldn’t change from that
Thing is that one way is Ball on the ground short quick passing and movement retain possession that’s his style and he doesn’t deviate
To be honest that will do me
I also think he’s a decent respectful bloke as well and I don’t believe the bullshit that went about him turning us down that was a Whelan PR trick
He might not have won the World Cup with Belgium but hey that’s pretty tough ask no matter you’ve got
He’s been Belgium’s international manager for a few years now I honestly don’t think we are in a position to be turning the likes of Martinez down if it’s a possibility
He has to be a better bet than Lampard Gerard etc
I have always like Martinez and was gutted we never really went out to get him all those years back.
I must admit I had completely forgot until the other day he was manager of Belgium.
One concern was, if I remember was he wasn't that great at organising his defence, which may be a concern knowing our problems of late.
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2021, 02:11:45 PM
The names we've heard linked with any confidence are Gerrard, Martinez, Hasenhüttl, Fonseca and Mjolnir. Of those, only Fonseca seems like an even remotely exciting. I've definitely been a lot more whelmed in my time.
Edit: oh eff off Lee, that was my line.
Ha, what are the chances of that? It perfectly serves where I would be with him. I don't think we'd struggle, and we'd probably be nice and neat, but I think we'd just end up treading water a bit.
Post by: simboy on November 08, 2021, 02:13:23 PM
If we go by statistics in the Prem then Martinez with Everton and Swansea is the best of a pretty poor bunch. That, sadly means you have to ignore his abject failure at Wigwam. Plays quite decent football which may suit our players. Nuno is the second "best" pick from that "pool".
If we are appointing a candidate with no Prem League experience then we need to look at the "big 5" leagues and who's done well there, consistently. I would go for Lucien Favre. Kasper Hjulmand has done nothing at club level, his record in the Bundersleague is terrible, Fonseca seems to be hit and miss. Gerard shouldn't be anywhere near the list.
Is Deano the modern Vic Crowe or Tony Barton?
Was hardly an abject failure at Wigan, they did beat Man City to win the FA Cup. Getting relegated with them was poor but didn't put off Everton too much. I'm struggling to recall why Everton fans were totally against him for a finish.
Definitely a bit of a spoofer, somehow got himself the Belgium job with Henry for whatever reason an assistant. Think he was done a good job there, second best team at last World Cup but their team now ain't what it was. No surprise to me that he would be looking to move on, surely was in the mix for the Spurs and Newcastle jobs of late.
He seems the best of a not overly inspiring bunch. I like his style of play.
I like Favre as well. Just think he might be the next German "success" to manage in the Prem. [I know he's Swiss!] We have players that suit both styles ... him and Martinez.
Post by: Monty on November 08, 2021, 02:15:35 PM
The names we've heard linked with any confidence are Gerrard, Martinez, Hasenhüttl, Fonseca and Mjolnir. Of those, only Fonseca seems like an even remotely exciting. I've definitely been a lot more whelmed in my time.
Edit: oh eff off Lee, that was my line.
Ha, what are the chances of that? It perfectly serves where I would be with him. I don't think we'd struggle, and we'd probably be nice and neat, but I think we'd just end up treading water a bit.
Indeed, and probably play a lot more three at the back than would please many on here. Maybe that would be the next step though - the 'Everton cup' of 8th or so.
Post by: BC Villain on November 08, 2021, 02:16:18 PM
My objection to Stephen Gerrard is not personal or professional . He’s a young manager who has done ok in his short career so far , so may have potential, who knows, and he seems considered and thoughtful in the few interviews I’ve seen him do as a manager.
My objection is to the inevitable Sky led media love in which will follow ( for him , not us) which will lead us to be known as “Stephen Gerrard’s Aston Villa” , in much the same way as we were “John Terry’s Aston Villa” for a few months, only x 10.
The story will be all about him, not Villa. If he succeeds , we will be seen as the mediocre little northern* team who got lucky solely because of his genius. If he struggles, we will have been the basket case who dragged him down and who weren’t worthy of his talents. Either way we lose.
Stevie G’s mighty Villa YNWA …. No thanks
* Northern because the Midlands doesn’t exist to Sky, obviously.
I strongly disliked him as a player and think he's a miserable prick of a man, but this sums up why the rational me doesn't want him anywhere near us.
Not arsed about the Rangers connection - if they had a really good, proven manager, I'd be happy to take him off them.
But Gerrard hasn't proven himself to be worthy of this step up, much less shown that he'd be worth having to endure the redscouse media circus that would accompany him.
My biggest issue with Gerrard is the feeling if he came here was that the job was filling time until the big man walks out of Anfield.
Post by: Goldenballs on November 08, 2021, 02:16:26 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on November 08, 2021, 02:17:25 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 08, 2021, 02:18:45 PM
Post by: BC Villain on November 08, 2021, 02:19:14 PM
For some reason I had the idea that AVB was a bit of a flop in England, but having looked at his record he has done well virtually everywhere he’s been. I’d be happy with him.
Went to Chelsea and completely rubbed all the players up the wrong way to the point where they didn't want to play for him.
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2021, 02:20:18 PM
Can someone chuck a link up on Twitter to the club and ask them to pass it on to Purslow before he does something stupid?
Post by: KRS on November 08, 2021, 02:21:11 PM
Post by: jwarry on November 08, 2021, 02:21:42 PM
For some reason I had the idea that AVB was a bit of a flop in England, but having looked at his record he has done well virtually everywhere he’s been. I’d be happy with him.
Nah, son of Mourinho so old school
Post by: BC Villain on November 08, 2021, 02:21:43 PM
The thing with Dean was he came with the very reputation for football we want yet again. High press, possession football, don’t care who we are playing. Precisely the same as TSM2 at Norwich with far inferior players. And yet both ultimately failed to do that with us. We saw it at times of course. Lambert had us playing some great stuff as did Dean. But what the fuck happens when they get here? Is the club just so big that it sucks the courage right out of them?
Lambert had us showing glimpses of some great stuff until that horrific Christmas period spooked him
Post by: Fred Crump on November 08, 2021, 02:22:32 PM
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 08, 2021, 02:23:39 PM
The thing with Dean was he came with the very reputation for football we want yet again. High press, possession football, don’t care who we are playing. Precisely the same as TSM2 at Norwich with far inferior players. And yet both ultimately failed to do that with us. We saw it at times of course. Lambert had us playing some great stuff as did Dean. But what the fuck happens when they get here? Is the club just so big that it sucks the courage right out of them?
I've said it before, but we should burn Bodymoor Heath to the ground. It just ruins players and coaches alike. I mean, look at Bailey. Pretty much his first full week of training and the exciting skillful player we signed had turned into Charles N'Zogbia.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 08, 2021, 02:24:32 PM
Post by: jwarry on November 08, 2021, 02:25:42 PM
The thing with Dean was he came with the very reputation for football we want yet again. High press, possession football, don’t care who we are playing. Precisely the same as TSM2 at Norwich with far inferior players. And yet both ultimately failed to do that with us. We saw it at times of course. Lambert had us playing some great stuff as did Dean. But what the fuck happens when they get here? Is the club just so big that it sucks the courage right out of them?
Lambert had us showing glimpses of some great stuff until that horrific Christmas period spooked him
Er, so did Dean?!? Although we lost 3-0 to Chelsea earlier this season, quite honestly we played them off the park, but then it went downhill from there. Results kill confidence
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2021, 02:27:14 PM
The thing with Dean was he came with the very reputation for football we want yet again. High press, possession football, don’t care who we are playing. Precisely the same as TSM2 at Norwich with far inferior players. And yet both ultimately failed to do that with us. We saw it at times of course. Lambert had us playing some great stuff as did Dean. But what the fuck happens when they get here? Is the club just so big that it sucks the courage right out of them?
Lambert had us showing glimpses of some great stuff until that horrific Christmas period spooked him
He had more u-turns than the road up Mont Blanc, by the end he hadn't the credibility to make anything happen.
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 02:31:12 PM
You would have to impose a defence coach on him to stand any chance at all.
Post by: steamer on November 08, 2021, 02:35:51 PM
Martinez was not popular at Everton
He failed to win anything with Belgian " Golden generation "
Non of the British names inspire me and god forbid Steevie
It is when you start dreading who could be your worst nightmare, we have been through this with the Scottish one and Bruce
I think I must stop clicking on this thread.
Post by: AV82EC on November 08, 2021, 02:39:30 PM
Post by: villadelph on November 08, 2021, 02:44:20 PM
Post by: brontebilly on November 08, 2021, 02:46:26 PM
I like Martinez always have
I like his passing and possession based football
I remember the Everton fans moaning about him saying he only had one way to play and couldn’t change from that
Thing is that one way is Ball on the ground short quick passing and movement retain possession that’s his style and he doesn’t deviate
To be honest that will do me
I also think he’s a decent respectful bloke as well and I don’t believe the bullshit that went about him turning us down that was a Whelan PR trick
He might not have won the World Cup with Belgium but hey that’s pretty tough ask no matter you’ve got
He’s been Belgium’s international manager for a few years now I honestly don’t think we are in a position to be turning the likes of Martinez down if it’s a possibility
He has to be a better bet than Lampard Gerard etc
From a quick read of reports of his Everton sacking, their fans were sick of the lack of a plan b, poor in game management (sound familiar...)and obviously some very poor signings (mcgeady, cleverley etc). But he has done a very good job with Belgium since, no shame at all losing to France in the WC semi final, a brilliant game with the two best teams.
Everton have gone through the likes of Koeman, Silva, Allardyce, Ancelotti since without success and a lot of money spent. Think the real problem there was they all spent too long replacing the core of Moyes team, Coleman is still a regular!
If we are considering the Danish coach then Martinez has at least as good a record at international level. Experienced at club level, mixed results maybe, relegation, FA Cup win...But wouldn't be the worst choice for us I reckon
Post by: achilles on November 08, 2021, 02:49:08 PM
I just don't want to be saying on the new appointment, "Oh God, not him"!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 08, 2021, 02:50:55 PM
But he has done a very good job with Belgium since,
Really? I think he's underachieved with a 'once in a generation' crop of players.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 08, 2021, 02:51:24 PM
We could do worse than Martinez, though I think I'd just be whelmed, not under or over.That made me laugh more than it should have............Nurse!
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 02:51:57 PM
We could do worse than Martinez, though I think I'd just be whelmed, not under or over.That made me laugh more than it should have............Nurse!
It was an excellent joke, much better than anything Monty could have come up with.
Post by: Richard on November 08, 2021, 02:52:47 PM
Post by: Monty on November 08, 2021, 02:53:48 PM
We could do worse than Martinez, though I think I'd just be whelmed, not under or over.That made me laugh more than it should have............Nurse!
It was an excellent joke, much better than anything Monty could have come up with.
Fuming.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 02:53:56 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 08, 2021, 02:54:28 PM
Are we really going to get sniffy about possibly appointing the boss of the number 1 FIFA ranked team in world football ?
Yes, because he's not very good.
Post by: Monty on November 08, 2021, 02:54:36 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 08, 2021, 02:56:50 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 02:58:25 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 08, 2021, 03:01:13 PM
Still, he's not Gerrard. So there is that.
Hmmm. Sign him up!
Post by: LukeJames on November 08, 2021, 03:04:18 PM
For some reason I had the idea that AVB was a bit of a flop in England, but having looked at his record he has done well virtually everywhere he’s been. I’d be happy with him.
Did you confuse him with 'The next big thing' Marco Silva, who was shit everywhere he went? I did that earlier.
Post by: villa for life on November 08, 2021, 03:05:41 PM
He has no idea how to organize a defence, which is one of our biggest problems.
Post by: LukeJames on November 08, 2021, 03:09:12 PM
Do we know who is running training?
Macphee's currently got them seeing who can launch the ball the furthest over Spaghetti Junction.
Post by: brontebilly on November 08, 2021, 03:10:52 PM
But he has done a very good job with Belgium since,
Really? I think he's underachieved with a 'once in a generation' crop of players.
Still think France were stronger player for player at the last WC. Belgium did beat Brazil at least.
Lost to the eventual winners of the recent Euros too, with KdB playing on one leg, Hazard injured/unfit and a back 3 that had seen much better days.
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 08, 2021, 03:11:07 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 03:15:40 PM
BRIGHTON 20TH NOVEMBER 4.45P.M.
(https://i.imgur.com/OZPUT5D.gif)
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2021, 03:15:42 PM
how many of you after seeing the list now wish Smith was still at the helm
Not me.
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2021, 03:18:00 PM
To be fair we need to acclimatize to the possibility of Stevie Me to soften the shock if it happens
BRIGHTON 20TH NOVEMBER 4.45P.M.
(https://i.imgur.com/OZPUT5D.gif)
After the 1-1 draw.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 08, 2021, 03:19:47 PM
how many of you after seeing the list now wish Smith was still at the helm
Not me.
Nope nor me, it had to happen. The new manager might not be on the lists doing the rounds!
Post by: villa for life on November 08, 2021, 03:20:04 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 03:21:05 PM
To be fair we need to acclimatize to the possibility of Stevie Me to soften the shock if it happens
BRIGHTON 20TH NOVEMBER 4.45P.M.
(https://i.imgur.com/OZPUT5D.gif)
After the 1-1 draw.
LOLZ
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2021, 03:22:38 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 03:24:45 PM
It would be akin to DOL running across to Doug to give him the fist to the chest after a draw vs Stoke or whoever the fuck it was against
You're mixing up DOL celebrating a win at Small Heath (1-0, Kevin Phillips) with Alex McLeish punching the air after a 0-0 home draw with Stoke.
Post by: john e on November 08, 2021, 03:27:27 PM
One thing for sure, this next appointment is going to be extremely divisive. It’s obvious whoever is eventually given the job will have many fans vehemently opposed to their appointment.
Won’t be divisive amongst fans if Gerard gets it as I think it’s pretty much unanimous in that regard
Post by: Villan82 on November 08, 2021, 03:27:46 PM
how many of you after seeing the list now wish Smith was still at the helm
Not me.
Nope nor me, it had to happen. The new manager might not be on the lists doing the rounds!
18 losses in 35 games just wasn't good enough. If he had found a way to grind our 4 or 5 draws from those defeats he would still be in the job. it is such a bloody shame- he had all the goodwill in the world and is the first manager in 30 years to leave things better than he found them. Not at all bad.
Post by: paul_e on November 08, 2021, 03:28:24 PM
I hate this time of being a fan, underwhelmed by most of the names
Martinez was not popular at Everton
He failed to win anything with Belgian " Golden generation "
Non of the British names inspire me and god forbid Steevie
It is when you start dreading who could be your worst nightmare, we have been through this with the Scottish one and Bruce
I think I must stop clicking on this thread.
I think the fact that we've already done the unthinkable and appointed Steve Fucking Bruce I'm pretty chilled out over this, there's almost nothing the club could do to disappoint like that again.
Post by: LukeJames on November 08, 2021, 03:29:18 PM
One thing for sure, this next appointment is going to be extremely divisive. It’s obvious whoever is eventually given the job will have many fans vehemently opposed to their appointment.
Won’t be divisive amongst fans if Gerard gets it as I think it’s pretty much unanimous in that regard
On here maybe, but there's still a big element of our support that would milk it because of his name unfortunately.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 08, 2021, 03:29:21 PM
To be fair we need to acclimatize to the possibility of Stevie Me to soften the shock if it happens
BRIGHTON 20TH NOVEMBER 4.45P.M.
Don't be ridiculous, the game won't be over till 4.53pm at the earliest.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on November 08, 2021, 03:32:47 PM
One thing for sure, this next appointment is going to be extremely divisive. It’s obvious whoever is eventually given the job will have many fans vehemently opposed to their appointment.
It isn’t unanimous. I, for example, have a lot of time for him, THOUGH not my first choice. I have no idea who is, mind.
Won’t be divisive amongst fans if Gerard gets it as I think it’s pretty much unanimous in that regard
Post by: brontebilly on November 08, 2021, 03:35:04 PM
One thing for sure, this next appointment is going to be extremely divisive. It’s obvious whoever is eventually given the job will have many fans vehemently opposed to their appointment.
Won’t be divisive amongst fans if Gerard gets it as I think it’s pretty much unanimous in that regard
Purslow can't be that stupid, friends with Gerrard or not. Gerrard himself would be well advised to stay with Sevco anyway to build up his experience before Klopp eventually moves on.
Post by: TonyD on November 08, 2021, 03:39:12 PM
So he was a crapper Moyes.If we go by statistics in the Prem then Martinez with Everton and Swansea is the best of a pretty poor bunch. That, sadly means you have to ignore his abject failure at Wigwam. Plays quite decent football which may suit our players. Nuno is the second "best" pick from that "pool".
If we are appointing a candidate with no Prem League experience then we need to look at the "big 5" leagues and who's done well there, consistently. I would go for Lucien Favre. Kasper Hjulmand has done nothing at club level, his record in the Bundersleague is terrible, Fonseca seems to be hit and miss. Gerard shouldn't be anywhere near the list.
Is Deano the modern Vic Crowe or Tony Barton?
Was hardly an abject failure at Wigan, they did beat Man City to win the FA Cup. Getting relegated with them was poor but didn't put off Everton too much. I'm struggling to recall why Everton fans were totally against him for a finish.
Definitely a bit of a spoofer, somehow got himself the Belgium job with Henry for whatever reason an assistant. Think he was done a good job there, second best team at last World Cup but their team now ain't what it was. No surprise to me that he would be looking to move on, surely was in the mix for the Spurs and Newcastle jobs of late.
I was looking at his Everton record, and I suspect the fans turned on him because of two back-to-back seasons of 11th place. That's off the back a decade of David Moyes getting them 6-8th every season. They were in the European mix pretty much every year for a decade, and then they weren't.
Post by: john e on November 08, 2021, 03:39:23 PM
One thing for sure, this next appointment is going to be extremely divisive. It’s obvious whoever is eventually given the job will have many fans vehemently opposed to their appointment.
Won’t be divisive amongst fans if Gerard gets it as I think it’s pretty much unanimous in that regard
Purslow can't be that stupid, friends with Gerrard or not. Gerrard himself would be well advised to stay with Sevco anyway to build up his experience before Klopp eventually moves on.
On Your first 5 words
I wouldn’t be so sure
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2021, 03:40:31 PM
It would be akin to DOL running across to Doug to give him the fist to the chest after a draw vs Stoke or whoever the fuck it was against
You're mixing up DOL celebrating a win at Small Heath (1-0, Kevin Phillips) with Alex McLeish punching the air after a 0-0 home draw with Stoke.
Great. My memory isn’t what it once was. But clearly I’d put some of that to a dark corner of my mind given how miserable both are.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 03:41:19 PM
So, in answer to the question of whether Purslow could be so stupid, the answer appears to be yes.
Post by: The Edge on November 08, 2021, 03:42:20 PM
how many of you after seeing the list now wish Smith was still at the helmI'm just sitting in a darkened room contemplating the events of the last 24 hours or so. The europhia from the owners taking over the club and appointing a lifelong Villa fan with a mission to conquer Europe has worn off. But then I remember who these guys are. They were our saviours not so long ago. They saved us from oblivion at the hands of Tony X surely there's a brilliant plan afoot and we're about to be blown away by them once again or else what was the whole point of the last three years? So I'm going to ignore the hype and speculation surrounding such names as Gerrard and Martinez because again if they do that what was the point of the last three years? I live in hope.
Post by: passport1 on November 08, 2021, 03:42:49 PM
how many of you after seeing the list now wish Smith was still at the helm
Not me.
Me neither.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2021, 03:43:33 PM
Klopp will probably be at Liverpool for another 5 years or. I suspect we'll have at least two, maybe 3 managers in that time. Of the various reasons for thinking Garrard isn't right, the possibility of him moving on to Liverpool at some point isn't a massive concern to me.One thing for sure, this next appointment is going to be extremely divisive. It’s obvious whoever is eventually given the job will have many fans vehemently opposed to their appointment.
Won’t be divisive amongst fans if Gerard gets it as I think it’s pretty much unanimous in that regard
Purslow can't be that stupid, friends with Gerrard or not. Gerrard himself would be well advised to stay with Sevco anyway to build up his experience before Klopp eventually moves on.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 03:43:59 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 08, 2021, 03:44:22 PM
The appointment doesn't have to be divisive like it has been suggested. That's only because we're expecting the worst. Get in the likes of Favre or Galtier (or the out reach likes of Ten Haag) and I don't see how they could be divisive.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 08, 2021, 03:45:38 PM
On that there Twitter the Rangers fan sites seem to be taking it seriously...… *shudder*
Looked at one of their sites yesterday and today, a significant number think it's a realistic prospect plus some saying they wouldn't mind Deano at Ibrox.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 03:49:13 PM
On that there Twitter the Rangers fan sites seem to be taking it seriously...… *shudder*
Looked at one of their sites yesterday and today, a significant number think it's a realistic prospect plus some saying they wouldn't mind Deano at Ibrox.
yeah, he'd walk it up there I reckon.
Post by: The_ads on November 08, 2021, 03:50:20 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 08, 2021, 03:52:05 PM
One thing for sure, this next appointment is going to be extremely divisive. It’s obvious whoever is eventually given the job will have many fans vehemently opposed to their appointment.
Won’t be divisive amongst fans if Gerard gets it as I think it’s pretty much unanimous in that regard
Purslow can't be that stupid, friends with Gerrard or not. Gerrard himself would be well advised to stay with Sevco anyway to build up his experience before Klopp eventually moves on.
On Your first 5 words
I wouldn’t be so sure
What has he ever done for you to dislike him so much?
I won't accept any criticism of how corporate e is becuse that's part of his job and pretty much every decent ceo will have that.
He's had a handful of big choices to make at Villa:
Sacking Bruce when he did was the right call
Picking Smith as the replacement was the right call
Sacking Pitarch after a slightly disappointing first season back was the right call
Picking Lange as the replacement seems a decent choice to me
Sacking Smith this weekend was the right call
So he's done a good job when needed. On top of that he was very vocal about reforming the youth setup and has followed through on it to fantastic effect. Right now he deserves the benefit of the doubt but you in particular seem to have him down as some shitty chancer who is 1 decision away from showing his true colours. I just don't get it.
Post by: The_ads on November 08, 2021, 03:56:15 PM
One thing for sure, this next appointment is going to be extremely divisive. It’s obvious whoever is eventually given the job will have many fans vehemently opposed to their appointment.
Won’t be divisive amongst fans if Gerard gets it as I think it’s pretty much unanimous in that regard
Purslow can't be that stupid, friends with Gerrard or not. Gerrard himself would be well advised to stay with Sevco anyway to build up his experience before Klopp eventually moves on.
On Your first 5 words
I wouldn’t be so sure
What has he ever done for you to dislike him so much?
I won't accept any criticism of how corporate e is becuse that's part of his job and pretty much every decent ceo will have that.
He's had a handful of big choices to make at Villa:
Sacking Bruce when he did was the right call
Picking Smith as the replacement was the right call
Sacking Pitarch after a slightly disappointing first season back was the right call
Picking Lange as the replacement seems a decent choice to me
Sacking Smith this weekend was the right call
So he's done a good job when needed. On top of that he was very vocal about reforming the youth setup and has followed through on it to fantastic effect. Right now he deserves the benefit of the doubt but you in particular seem to have him down as some shitty chancer who is 1 decision away from showing his true colours. I just don't get it.
I think this is a really good post/point. What exactly has he done to deserve the vitriol and, in turn, what exactly has Steven Gerrard done to upset so many people other than do a very good job at the first club he’s cut his teeth at.
Post by: Monty on November 08, 2021, 03:57:49 PM
Post by: mr-villa on November 08, 2021, 04:02:53 PM
Should be just enough time to get the great Swede into the UK to save us before he goes into hibernation for the Swedish winter.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 04:03:40 PM
The honeymoon is over - for a while it seemed to all be too good to be true, and inevitably it was.
This next appointment is huge - as they will not have the good will, nor the "credit" in the bank that Dean has had for the last 11 games.
We know they are ambitious - this feels like the point where they have to prove this isn't just another false dawn.
If we're going to bounce around being a lower midtable team then I would rather have Dean at the helm for that.
I am really not convinced any of the names we have been linked with are an upgrade on him - nor will bring us better results.
Im hoping I'm wrong, but if we get this one wrong we risk losing further momentum and being overtaken by yet more clubs.
Post by: Billy Walker on November 08, 2021, 04:05:55 PM
Post by: villa for life on November 08, 2021, 04:07:01 PM
One thing for sure, this next appointment is going to be extremely divisive. It’s obvious whoever is eventually given the job will have many fans vehemently opposed to their appointment.
Won’t be divisive amongst fans if Gerard gets it as I think it’s pretty much unanimous in that regard
Purslow can't be that stupid, friends with Gerrard or not. Gerrard himself would be well advised to stay with Sevco anyway to build up his experience before Klopp eventually moves on.
On Your first 5 words
I wouldn’t be so sure
What has he ever done for you to dislike him so much?
I won't accept any criticism of how corporate e is becuse that's part of his job and pretty much every decent ceo will have that.
He's had a handful of big choices to make at Villa:
Sacking Bruce when he did was the right call
Picking Smith as the replacement was the right call
Sacking Pitarch after a slightly disappointing first season back was the right call
Picking Lange as the replacement seems a decent choice to me
Sacking Smith this weekend was the right call
So he's done a good job when needed. On top of that he was very vocal about reforming the youth setup and has followed through on it to fantastic effect. Right now he deserves the benefit of the doubt but you in particular seem to have him down as some shitty chancer who is 1 decision away from showing his true colours. I just don't get it.
I think this is a really good post/point. What exactly has he done to deserve the vitriol and, in turn, what exactly has Steven Gerrard done to upset so many people other than do a very good job at the first club he’s cut his teeth at.
I agree, I don’t get the hate for Purslow or Gerrard. The former has done a really good job, I think.
Post by: Matt C on November 08, 2021, 04:08:00 PM
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 08, 2021, 04:10:11 PM
I have never seen Gerrard's Rangers play, but as others have said, he was not tactically astute as a player so I am doubtful that as a manager he's all that much above bombing on, getting stuck in, and putting it in the mixer.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 08, 2021, 04:11:07 PM
Guess I’m a bit old school in that I fully get behind any manager that manages my club.Same here. Just don't fancy any "Stevie G" media circus coming to Villa Park
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 04:12:27 PM
Steve Gerrard would be the kind of appointment a Tony Xia would make.
Yes, this - this is what is making everyone nervous. We're told how well ran we are - and up until this summer that seemed to be true.
People are starting to get nervous because steve gerrard doesn't feel like the appointment of a well ran, ambitious club
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 08, 2021, 04:12:59 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 08, 2021, 04:15:33 PM
Martinez would be a decent appointment.
Ideally with someone who knows about defending as well as attacking in tow, though.
If you want decend defending then you dont want martinez. Plays good attacking football but his defensive coaching is absymal.
I remember how bad they looked at Everton and Wigan. Was so bad.
For me if the two choices are Martinez or Gerrard i would opt for gerrard
Post by: john e on November 08, 2021, 04:22:51 PM
One thing for sure, this next appointment is going to be extremely divisive. It’s obvious whoever is eventually given the job will have many fans vehemently opposed to their appointment.
Won’t be divisive amongst fans if Gerard gets it as I think it’s pretty much unanimous in that regard
Purslow can't be that stupid, friends with Gerrard or not. Gerrard himself would be well advised to stay with Sevco anyway to build up his experience before Klopp eventually moves on.
On Your first 5 words
I wouldn’t be so sure
What has he ever done for you to dislike him so much?
I won't accept any criticism of how corporate e is becuse that's part of his job and pretty much every decent ceo will have that.
He's had a handful of big choices to make at Villa:
Sacking Bruce when he did was the right call
Picking Smith as the replacement was the right call
Sacking Pitarch after a slightly disappointing first season back was the right call
Picking Lange as the replacement seems a decent choice to me
Sacking Smith this weekend was the right call
So he's done a good job when needed. On top of that he was very vocal about reforming the youth setup and has followed through on it to fantastic effect. Right now he deserves the benefit of the doubt but you in particular seem to have him down as some shitty chancer who is 1 decision away from showing his true colours. I just don't get it.
I think this is a really good post/point. What exactly has he done to deserve the vitriol and, in turn, what exactly has Steven Gerrard done to upset so many people other than do a very good job at the first club he’s cut his teeth at.
It’s not vitriol or hatred I just don’t trust him to make the right decision
I think he’ll make the best one for Christian Purslow
You think it’s irrational that’s fair enough it don’t change my mind
If he gets it right and by that I mean appoint a manager who we think is a significant upgrade on Dean Smith
Feel free to come back and batter me round the head with a wet fish
If you’ve got a nagging feeling about someone you can’t not have the feeling just because someone writes a positive post about them on a message board
you think we’re in safe hands that’s great I’ve got no problem with that
You obviously believe he’ll make the right decision that’s great hope he does
I don’t have that same belief And there’s nothing I can do about it at the moment
Post by: Duncan Shaw on November 08, 2021, 04:26:16 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 08, 2021, 04:28:30 PM
Post by: CT Villan on November 08, 2021, 04:36:16 PM
If they still appoint Gerrard, then they must all be mental not just CP. However, the reality of the situation is we really know the square-root of FA about who is on the list.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 08, 2021, 04:37:04 PM
What would be a best decision for Christian Purslow? What's in it for him? Surely it's one that reflects well on him, and that has to be good for us.Gerrard is the celebrity punt, if Purslow is going down that route then I would rather have Lampard because he has more relevant experience although neither inspire me.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 04:39:20 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 08, 2021, 04:43:19 PM
Well Purslow looks after the commercial side so appointing someone like Gerrard is undoubtably good for the club on that side but on the playing side who knows? It's like Woodward with Ronaldo. Must have made them a mint re-signing him, but should they have got a midfielder instead?CEO is more than just the Commercial side. The Commercial side can not thrive unless the playing side is doing well.
Post by: jwarry on November 08, 2021, 04:44:08 PM
One thing for sure, this next appointment is going to be extremely divisive. It’s obvious whoever is eventually given the job will have many fans vehemently opposed to their appointment.
Won’t be divisive amongst fans if Gerard gets it as I think it’s pretty much unanimous in that regard
Purslow can't be that stupid, friends with Gerrard or not. Gerrard himself would be well advised to stay with Sevco anyway to build up his experience before Klopp eventually moves on.
On Your first 5 words
I wouldn’t be so sure
What has he ever done for you to dislike him so much?
I won't accept any criticism of how corporate e is becuse that's part of his job and pretty much every decent ceo will have that.
He's had a handful of big choices to make at Villa:
Sacking Bruce when he did was the right call
Picking Smith as the replacement was the right call
Sacking Pitarch after a slightly disappointing first season back was the right call
Picking Lange as the replacement seems a decent choice to me
Sacking Smith this weekend was the right call
So he's done a good job when needed. On top of that he was very vocal about reforming the youth setup and has followed through on it to fantastic effect. Right now he deserves the benefit of the doubt but you in particular seem to have him down as some shitty chancer who is 1 decision away from showing his true colours. I just don't get it.
I think this is a really good post/point. What exactly has he done to deserve the vitriol and, in turn, what exactly has Steven Gerrard done to upset so many people other than do a very good job at the first club he’s cut his teeth at.
It’s not vitriol or hatred I just don’t trust him to make the right decision
I think he’ll make the best one for Christian Purslow
You think it’s irrational that’s fair enough it don’t change my mind
If he gets it right and by that I mean appoint a manager who we think is a significant upgrade on Dean Smith
Feel free to come back and batter me round the head with a wet fish
If you’ve got a nagging feeling about someone you can’t not have the feeling just because someone writes a positive post about them on a message board
you think we’re in safe hands that’s great I’ve got no problem with that
You obviously believe he’ll make the right decision that’s great hope he does
I don’t have that same belief And there’s nothing I can do about it at the moment
So just a hunch then, or you just don’t like his face?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 08, 2021, 04:45:26 PM
On that there Twitter the Rangers fan sites seem to be taking it seriously...… *shudder*
Looked at one of their sites yesterday and today, a significant number think it's a realistic prospect plus some saying they wouldn't mind Deano at Ibrox.
yeah, he'd walk it up there I reckon.
Plus they usually do okay with managers called Smith.
Post by: brontebilly on November 08, 2021, 04:48:27 PM
He's done fine. He's not done badly, he's not done spectacularly, he's done OK. We wouldn't be looking at a Rangers manager with this record unless his name was Steven Gerrard, and it strikes me at least as starstruck, immature, hope-over-substance and glamour-dazzled thinking.
If we are looking at Gerrard as manager then surely would be worth giving Neil Lennon a call based on their respective CVs in the SPL.....Gerrard is only being linked with us due to the Purslow connection. Needs to put a lot more on his CV before he should be in the running for any EPL job, not to mind us.
Spurs going for Conte and us going for Gerrard would be some statement about the respective clubs ambitions.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 04:48:40 PM
Well Purslow looks after the commercial side so appointing someone like Gerrard is undoubtably good for the club on that side but on the playing side who knows? It's like Woodward with Ronaldo. Must have made them a mint re-signing him, but should they have got a midfielder instead?CEO is more than just the Commercial side. The Commercial side can not thrive unless the playing side is doing well.
True but that is his background. He negotiated all the deals for Chelsea for instance. That's very important granted and after all provides the money to improve the playing side, but I think its a bit naive that he wouldn't prefer to do that with a "bling" name like Gerrard rather than Mr. Anonymous Smith which may sway his thinking when he's looking for a manager.
Post by: Rudy65 on November 08, 2021, 05:00:20 PM
how many of you after seeing the list now wish Smith was still at the helm
Not me.
Not me. A change was needed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 08, 2021, 05:01:22 PM
I think this is the fear, that the decision will be more celebrity than football related.Well Purslow looks after the commercial side so appointing someone like Gerrard is undoubtably good for the club on that side but on the playing side who knows? It's like Woodward with Ronaldo. Must have made them a mint re-signing him, but should they have got a midfielder instead?CEO is more than just the Commercial side. The Commercial side can not thrive unless the playing side is doing well.
True but that is his background. He negotiated all the deals for Chelsea for instance. That's very important granted and after all provides the money to improve the playing side, but I think its a bit naive that he wouldn't prefer to do that with a "bling" name like Gerrard rather than Mr. Anonymous Smith which may sway his thinking when he's looking for a manager.
Post by: TonyD on November 08, 2021, 05:03:22 PM
Post by: LukeJames on November 08, 2021, 05:06:38 PM
Post by: DeKuip on November 08, 2021, 05:07:57 PM
how many of you after seeing the list now wish Smith was still at the helm
Not me.
Not me. A change was needed
I prefer the look of Norwich’s reported shortlist to ours that’s for sure.
Post by: Ads on November 08, 2021, 05:08:53 PM
Post by: Ads on November 08, 2021, 05:09:46 PM
how many of you after seeing the list now wish Smith was still at the helm
Not me.
Not me. A change was needed
I prefer the look of Norwich’s reported shortlist to ours that’s for sure.
Lamport
The bloke we've just sacked
The bloke who gets whacked 9 once a season
Where has our shortlist been reported?
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 05:10:24 PM
Danny Ings signing was like some Cold War operation, where we only hear about it in 2051 when it becomes declassified.Yeah I am pinning all my hops on this.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 08, 2021, 05:11:49 PM
Jeff Stellinghow many of you after seeing the list now wish Smith was still at the helm
Not me.
Not me. A change was needed
I prefer the look of Norwich’s reported shortlist to ours that’s for sure.
Nicola Sturgeon
Peter Dinklage
Danny Devito
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 05:12:09 PM
Is basically the same as there's but we have Gerrard and they have dean smith.how many of you after seeing the list now wish Smith was still at the helm
Not me.
Not me. A change was needed
I prefer the look of Norwich’s reported shortlist to ours that’s for sure.
Lamport
The bloke we've just sacked
The bloke who gets whacked 9 once a season
Where has our shortlist been reported?
The one I have read is:
Martinez
Gerrard
Southampton manager I cant spell
The ex Roma guy I think
Post by: KevinGage on November 08, 2021, 05:13:44 PM
They win that (or match Switzerland's result against Bulgaria) and they're through next year.
I wonder if in that scenario Roberto Mancini might be more receptive; maybe even with the carrot of still being allowed to lead the Azzuri in Qatar. It's pretty much a part time gig, life as an international manager, anyroad. I assume he knows most of his players at this stage.
If he needs to keep an eye on Serie A in the meantime, that's what assistants and video analysis are for.
I haven't seen him linked at all, but him and Rodgers would def qualify as ambitious targets.
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on November 08, 2021, 05:14:30 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 05:16:11 PM
If I'm reading this right, Italy have their last World Cup qualifier against Norn Iron on Nov 15.Apparently that's Martinez wants to do
They win that (or match Switzerland's result against Bulgaria) and they're through next year.
I wonder if in that scenario Roberto Mancini might be more receptive; maybe even with the carrot of still being allowed to lead the Azzuri in Qatar. It's pretty much a part time gig, life as an international manager, anyroad. I assume he knows most of his players at this stage.
If he needs to keep an eye on Serie A in the meantime, that's what assistants and video analysis are for.
I haven't seen him linked at all, but him and Rodgers would def qualify as ambitious targets.
Post by: steamer on November 08, 2021, 05:19:12 PM
Post by: KevinGage on November 08, 2021, 05:20:24 PM
He's an option - and more palatable than Phil Collins at Rangers.
But he hasn't done enough in club management to be setting those sort of pre conditions for taking best job in football.
Post by: frank black on November 08, 2021, 05:21:36 PM
If I'm reading this right, Italy have their last World Cup qualifier against Norn Iron on Nov 15.
They win that (or match Switzerland's result against Bulgaria) and they're through next year.
I wonder if in that scenario Roberto Mancini might be more receptive; maybe even with the carrot of still being allowed to lead the Azzuri in Qatar. It's pretty much a part time gig, life as an international manager, anyroad. I assume he knows most of his players at this stage.
If he needs to keep an eye on Serie A in the meantime, that's what assistants and video analysis are for.
I haven't seen him linked at all, but him and Rodgers would def qualify as ambitious targets.
Unrealistic targets rather than ambitious
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 05:21:57 PM
Post by: KevinGage on November 08, 2021, 05:32:22 PM
But with the nature of the PL now, you couldn't be operating that way.
If the price of getting Mancini was we had to agree to let him head away at the international break in March and again next summer, I'd pay it. I'm sure the massive coaching team he'd want could take training at BH for a few days.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 08, 2021, 05:34:06 PM
MARTINEZ - WE'LL DECIDE IF HAZARD IS FIT NOT BELGIUM
MARTINEZ - ASTON VILLA MUST RELEASE EDEN FOR ASSESSMENT
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 05:41:46 PM
Well Houllier practically treated it as a part time gig. O'Neill wasn't exactly a fixture at Bodymoor Heath either.
But with the nature of the PL now, you couldn't be operating that way.
If the price of getting Mancini was we had to agree to let him head away at the international break in March and again next summer, I'd pay it. I'm sure the massive coaching team he'd want could take training at BH for a few days.
For Mancini, at a push, maybe. For Martinez? Nah.
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 05:46:25 PM
I'd sooner have Gerrard, and that's saying something.
Post by: Drummond on November 08, 2021, 05:50:14 PM
Martinez is a fraud. Never a top ten prem manager.
I'd sooner have Gerrard, and that's saying something.
That is saying something!
Post by: Monty on November 08, 2021, 05:51:45 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 08, 2021, 05:52:23 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2021, 05:53:16 PM
Feel bound to say I don't think Mancini is leaving the Italy job before the World Cup for anyone. Not Juve, not Real, not nobody.
Neither is Martinez
Post by: TonyD on November 08, 2021, 05:59:34 PM
Thank fuck. How he is still in that gig is perplexing indeed.Feel bound to say I don't think Mancini is leaving the Italy job before the World Cup for anyone. Not Juve, not Real, not nobody.
Neither is Martinez
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 08, 2021, 06:00:16 PM
Post by: Damo70 on November 08, 2021, 06:00:33 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 08, 2021, 06:01:24 PM
Lucien Favre is an interesting name but to use an Australian phrase why don't we just go "Balls Out" and throw a shit load of money to get Joachim Lowe.
"out" is the last place we want his balls.
Post by: TonyD on November 08, 2021, 06:01:32 PM
Lucien Favre is an interesting name but to use an Australian phrase why don't we just go "Balls Out" and throw a shit load of money to get Joachim Lowe.Not a sniff for me.
Post by: Monty on November 08, 2021, 06:02:31 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 08, 2021, 06:03:25 PM
Post by: KevinGage on November 08, 2021, 06:05:58 PM
My sources are telling me that Howard Wilkinson is in pole position.
Poland could do worse. But not much.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2021, 06:07:36 PM
Lucien Favre is an interesting name but to use an Australian phrase why don't we just go "Balls Out" and throw a shit load of money to get Joachim Lowe.
Outside of him seemingly not knowing what to do with the immense talent he had in Germany, it would be endless nut and arse sniffing jokes that we don't need.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 08, 2021, 06:09:18 PM
If the price of getting Mancini was we had to agree to let him head away at the international break in March and again next summer, I'd pay it. I'm sure the massive coaching team he'd want could take training at BH for a few days.
For Mancini, at a push, maybe. For Martinez? Nah.
Think I'll move to the US so Eva Mendes can be my girlfriend. I mean she may need to spend a couple of days with Ryan Gosling next spring and summer so their kids can see him but other than that I don't see foresee any issues.
Post by: tomd2103 on November 08, 2021, 06:09:55 PM
Feel bound to say I don't think Mancini is leaving the Italy job before the World Cup for anyone. Not Juve, not Real, not nobody.
Neither is Martinez
Can't see the Danish manager wanting to either, seeing as it looks like they will be at the World Cup next year.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 06:13:05 PM
Post by: Damo70 on November 08, 2021, 06:13:15 PM
Feel bound to say I don't think Mancini is leaving the Italy job before the World Cup for anyone. Not Juve, not Real, not nobody.
Neither is Martinez
Can't see the Danish manager wanting to either, seeing as it looks like they will be at the World Cup next year.
I suspect a Premier League manager earns a fair bit more than the manager of Denmark.
I checked out Roberto Martinez's record in his time with Everton and to be fair it was better than I had remembered.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2021, 06:13:57 PM
Post by: TonyD on November 08, 2021, 06:15:27 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 08, 2021, 06:18:25 PM
Post by: steamer on November 08, 2021, 06:20:29 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 08, 2021, 06:21:46 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 08, 2021, 06:22:21 PM
Feel bound to say I don't think Mancini is leaving the Italy job before the World Cup for anyone. Not Juve, not Real, not nobody.
Neither is Martinez
Can't see the Danish manager wanting to either, seeing as it looks like they will be at the World Cup next year.
I suspect a Premier League manager earns a fair bit more than the manager of Denmark.
I checked out Roberto Martinez's record in his time with Everton and to be fair it was better than I had remembered.
11th twice with Everton is poo.
Post by: Dave P on November 08, 2021, 06:23:31 PM
Does spoonface still work with him?
Do you mean Platt? No, Italy have Vialli and that bloke who looks like he’s wearing a comedy glasses and ‘tash disguise 🥸
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 08, 2021, 06:28:27 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 08, 2021, 06:33:40 PM
He ticks so many boxes for what we need
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 08, 2021, 06:34:02 PM
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 06:35:01 PM
Post by: exigo on November 08, 2021, 06:37:14 PM
Has managed at big clubs, has a reputation for bringing young players through, would surely relish working at Villa.
Post by: TonyD on November 08, 2021, 06:37:15 PM
Re Potter, in a world where back-to-back English managers is a rarity, that'd be back-to-back Brummies. Not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing, but it'd be a thing nonetheless. Bab.You could see the headlines in a few months: “Potter potted”
Post by: TonyD on November 08, 2021, 06:38:20 PM
Favre is my favourite.And mine - with Terry back a defence coach.
Has managed at big clubs, has a reputation for bringing young players through, would surely relish working at Villa.
Post by: TaxDodger on November 08, 2021, 06:39:10 PM
Post by: KevinGage on November 08, 2021, 06:39:16 PM
But led off on the Gerrard interest and included Favre lower down in an he's-available-as well-type-way, rather than saying he's on the shitlist.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 08, 2021, 07:00:29 PM
Post by: Monty on November 08, 2021, 07:01:50 PM
The main issue is that, as David Ornstein said today on the Athletic, the Villa vacancy is viewed as one of the most attractive in football right now. We really could make a push for Emery or someone really serious, a proper statement of intent. To throw it at Gerrard, at this stage...I just can't help but feel it'd go down as yet another missed opportunity in our history.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 08, 2021, 07:03:12 PM
Too many idiots phoning in WM wanting Gerrard...🙈It has the feeling of inevitability about it. Hope I am wrong.
Post by: LukeJames on November 08, 2021, 07:04:10 PM
Too many idiots phoning in WM wanting Gerrard...🙈
This is what I mean when I say it may be pretty much unanimous on here but theres a large percentage of our support that will unfortunately love it.
I can fucking see it already when JG comes back "Steven Gerrard, he's won more than you"
Post by: KevinGage on November 08, 2021, 07:06:43 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 08, 2021, 07:06:49 PM
If it is Gerrard then we'd all hope for the best (and it would at least be funny to see the reaction of my Rangers mate who's assuring me he'd 'never join yous in a relegation battle'), but fuck it would be underwhelming - and if I were Dean Smith, I wouldn't be too impressed at what the club viewed as an upgrade.
The main issue is that, as David Ornstein said today on the Athletic, the Villa vacancy is viewed as one of the most attractive in football right now. We really could make a push for Emery or someone really serious, a proper statement of intent. To throw it at Gerrard, at this stage...I just can't help but feel it'd go down as yet another missed opportunity in our history.
We could re-add a motto to our badge, and 'missed opportunity' would be perfect. We're going to fuck this up and I think that means Gerrard. Fuck's sake.
Post by: achilles on November 08, 2021, 07:07:26 PM
It is just all the Liverpool baggage that he brings with him especially to the PL (yuck)!
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 08, 2021, 07:08:35 PM
Trying to be positive about Gerrard and he would command a hell of a lot of respect from the players especially the younger ones, can't argue with his football achievements and he hasn't done a bad job managing at Rangers!
It is just all the Liverpool baggage that he brings with him especially to the PL (yuck)!
He hasn't done a particularly good job at 'Rangers' either.
Post by: Goldenballs on November 08, 2021, 07:08:44 PM
Post by: LeonW on November 08, 2021, 07:09:08 PM
Does spoonface still work with him?
Do you mean Platt? No, Italy have Vialli and that bloke who looks like he’s wearing a comedy glasses and ‘tash disguise 🥸
That’s Evani who played for Ac Milan and Sampdoria in the 90’s (for Italian football watchers). Scored a penalty in a World Cup final shoot out!!!
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 08, 2021, 07:10:21 PM
A missed opportunity indeed. It's madness. There's some good top foreign coaches out there.
Post by: Clampy on November 08, 2021, 07:12:37 PM
Post by: dorsetvillian on November 08, 2021, 07:12:52 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2021, 07:12:53 PM
Too many idiots phoning in WM wanting Gerrard...🙈Yep. He was top of the B'ham Mail poll. Unfortunately the general consensus on here is often not reflected by the wider fan base.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2021, 07:14:19 PM
If it is Gerrard then we'd all hope for the best (and it would at least be funny to see the reaction of my Rangers mate who's assuring me he'd 'never join yous in a relegation battle'), but fuck it would be underwhelming - and if I were Dean Smith, I wouldn't be too impressed at what the club viewed as an upgrade.Agreed. It's our chance to make a statement. Lets do everything we can to bloody well make one.
The main issue is that, as David Ornstein said today on the Athletic, the Villa vacancy is viewed as one of the most attractive in football right now. We really could make a push for Emery or someone really serious, a proper statement of intent. To throw it at Gerrard, at this stage...I just can't help but feel it'd go down as yet another missed opportunity in our history.
Post by: CT Villan on November 08, 2021, 07:15:14 PM
Post by: villadelph on November 08, 2021, 07:16:59 PM
I would be pretty upset if we went from a committed, qualified and generally likeable guy like Dean to Gerrard on god knows what basis.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 08, 2021, 07:17:30 PM
Too many idiots phoning in WM8)wanting Gerrard...🙈
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 08, 2021, 07:18:52 PM
I'd rather have Ali G than Stevie G.Ali G Indadugout!
Post by: Demitri_C on November 08, 2021, 07:19:45 PM
Friendships and employment in football very rarely work out.
Forget gerrard get favre in
Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2021, 07:20:32 PM
We have way to much on the line in terms of the need to develop our youth to allow Gerrard to take the reigns. Our bench vs Southampton was a bunch of kids and Gerrard wouldn't have a clue how to get the best out of them.
He may not be a great option, but what makes you say this?
Post by: Taylor on November 08, 2021, 07:21:04 PM
Damn right, the general consensus on here wanted Smith gone.Too many idiots phoning in WM wanting Gerrard...🙈Yep. He was top of the B'ham Mail poll. Unfortunately the general consensus on here is often not reflected by the wider fan base.
Post by: KRS on November 08, 2021, 07:25:23 PM
Post by: frank black on November 08, 2021, 07:27:22 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 08, 2021, 07:28:18 PM
If turns out to be gerrard and its a epic failure i think purslows neck will be on the line.I've read up a bit on him. I think he sounds good, though he's older than the other candidates, which rightly or wrongly, might put us off him. His track record's decent, and he's available.
Friendships and employment in football very rarely work out.
Forget gerrard get favre in
Post by: tomd2103 on November 08, 2021, 07:29:31 PM
Too many idiots phoning in WM8)wanting Gerrard...🙈
One such Albion idiot phoned in to say that they should bring Graham Potter in to replace their current manager.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 07:29:31 PM
Yeah - I think so, have no idea about him to be honest. But most of the recent are making me seriously depressedFavre is my favourite.And mine - with Terry back a defence coach.
Has managed at big clubs, has a reputation for bringing young players through, would surely relish working at Villa.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 07:33:00 PM
Yeah I saw another poll on twitter and he was way ahead.Too many idiots phoning in WM wanting Gerrard...🙈Yep. He was top of the B'ham Mail poll. Unfortunately the general consensus on here is often not reflected by the wider fan base.
Think we are out of touch with the masses.
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 07:34:17 PM
I don't want him, but don't think the result will be a disaster.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 07:35:02 PM
I’m not saying that I want him (far from it), but if it Gerrard did become the chosen one then you’d like to think that he’d sort out our shit effort midfield at the very least once and for all. He’d also attract and command respect from the players already here and any coming in. Just saying like.Surely any manager coming in should have there respect - seems a low bar
Post by: villadelph on November 08, 2021, 07:37:42 PM
If turns out to be gerrard and its a epic failure i think purslows neck will be on the line.I've read up a bit on him. I think he sounds good, though he's older than the other candidates, which rightly or wrongly, might put us off him. His track record's decent, and he's available.
Friendships and employment in football very rarely work out.
Forget gerrard get favre in
With the pace we have available I think Favre would do a good job.
Post by: PeterWithe on November 08, 2021, 07:39:37 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 08, 2021, 07:39:41 PM
Post by: brontebilly on November 08, 2021, 07:41:14 PM
If turns out to be gerrard and its a epic failure i think purslows neck will be on the line.I've read up a bit on him. I think he sounds good, though he's older than the other candidates, which rightly or wrongly, might put us off him. His track record's decent, and he's available.
Friendships and employment in football very rarely work out.
Forget gerrard get favre in
Turned down Palace at the last minute in the summer, seemed a strange decision. Might be looking out for an international football gig at his age.
Post by: PeterWithe on November 08, 2021, 07:41:35 PM
If turns out to be gerrard and its a epic failure i think purslows neck will be on the line.I've read up a bit on him. I think he sounds good, though he's older than the other candidates, which rightly or wrongly, might put us off him. His track record's decent, and he's available.
Friendships and employment in football very rarely work out.
Forget gerrard get favre in
With the pace we have available I think Favre would do a good job.
He’d be my choice from a pretty underwhelming list. He didn’t do great at Dortmund but the expectation levels there are probably higher.
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 07:41:57 PM
If Purslow wants to bring in someone because he played midfield for Liverpool, then Xabi Alonso might be a better choice, ‘they’ reckon he’s going to be the next big thing.
Good shout
Post by: Dave P on November 08, 2021, 07:45:40 PM
Post by: Vegas on November 08, 2021, 07:50:09 PM
I think we’ve really fucked this up.
Is all very well saying “Smith out” but surely you have to know who you can get instead, and be pretty confident they’re better? I think we’ve been very impatient with a good coach and a very decent man, who has a pretty bad run with injuries in our bad spell.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 08, 2021, 07:52:02 PM
Interesting article about the coach Gerrard has with him at Rangers. Liverpool players thought he was incredibly good, and is widely considered the brains behind the operation. If it is to be him, I think he will do pretty well in fairness. We will be top 10 next season, maybe even this, and I think he would command the respect of the dressing room from day 1.
I don't want him, but don't think the result will be a disaster.
That's where I'm at. The coach working with him is Michael Beale, went from Liverpool's Youth academy to Brasil before joining up with Stevie G at Ibrox.
Post by: CT Villan on November 08, 2021, 07:53:02 PM
He didn’t do great at Dortmund but the expectation levels there are probably higher.
Not so sure about that...
[Wiki] On 22 May 2018, Favre was appointed as manager of Borussia Dortmund, with a contract lasting until 30 June 2020.[40] During his debut season, he became the first-ever manager to remain unbeaten in his first 15 Bundesliga matches with the club.[41] This includes a 4–1 win against RB Leipzig, a 7–0 win against 1. FC Nürnberg, and a 4–0 win against Atlético Madrid.[42] On 3 August 2019, Dortmund won the German Super Cup.[43] He was sacked on 13 December 2020 after a string of poor results, including a 5–1 thumping at home against newly-promoted VfB Stuttgart.[44] Favre finished with a record of 67 wins, 17 draws, and 23 losses.[45]
63% win ratio. I'd be happy with that at Villa.
Post by: KevinGage on November 08, 2021, 07:55:03 PM
Trying to be positive about Gerrard and he would command a hell of a lot of respect from the players especially the younger ones...
Similar was said about Lamberk's assistant in 2014, IIRC.
That initial respect lasts until your first training session.
The game has moved on. Can't just be wittering on about 'pashun' and pointing to your medal haul as a player.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 07:56:01 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/11/08/steven-gerrard-must-leave-rangers-prove-elite-manager-aston/?utm_content=football&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1636375885-1
Post by: robleflaneur on November 08, 2021, 07:58:11 PM
Interesting article about the coach Gerrard has with him at Rangers. Liverpool players thought he was incredibly good, and is widely considered the brains behind the operation. If it is to be him, I think he will do pretty well in fairness. We will be top 10 next season, maybe even this, and I think he would command the respect of the dressing room from day 1.
I don't want him, but don't think the result will be a disaster.
That's where I'm at. The coach working with him is Michael Beale, went from Liverpool's Youth academy to Brasil before joining up with Stevie G at Ibrox.
Googled him and there were 2 excellent articles on his coaching ability,one on BBC and the other at Coaches Voice.
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2021, 08:01:32 PM
He didn’t do great at Dortmund but the expectation levels there are probably higher.
Not so sure about that...
[Wiki] On 22 May 2018, Favre was appointed as manager of Borussia Dortmund, with a contract lasting until 30 June 2020.[40] During his debut season, he became the first-ever manager to remain unbeaten in his first 15 Bundesliga matches with the club.[41] This includes a 4–1 win against RB Leipzig, a 7–0 win against 1. FC Nürnberg, and a 4–0 win against Atlético Madrid.[42] On 3 August 2019, Dortmund won the German Super Cup.[43] He was sacked on 13 December 2020 after a string of poor results, including a 5–1 thumping at home against newly-promoted VfB Stuttgart.[44] Favre finished with a record of 67 wins, 17 draws, and 23 losses.[45]
63% win ratio. I'd be happy with that at Villa.
Gerrard's is 66%! ;)
Post by: CT Villan on November 08, 2021, 08:04:52 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 08, 2021, 08:06:44 PM
Surely it should 666%An Omen indeed...
Post by: Ads on November 08, 2021, 08:09:44 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on November 08, 2021, 08:10:43 PM
I would rather have Dean Smith than any of the top 8 in the poll on here, or on Sky Bet.
I think we’ve really fucked this up.
Is all very well saying “Smith out” but surely you have to know who you can get instead, and be pretty confident they’re better? I think we’ve been very impatient with a good coach and a very decent man, who has a pretty bad run with injuries in our bad spell.
We've picked up 39 points in 35 league games this calendar year. He can't have had terrible injuries the entire period. It just wasn't good enough in the end.
Post by: Richard E on November 08, 2021, 08:13:25 PM
If you like stats, look at the German 2nd division points totals from 1st to 10th and rejoice in the Tuetonic efficiency.
That really is a thing of beauty.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 08:22:04 PM
If those smart arses at Hansa had done the honorable thing and drawn with Holstein it would be 1 - 13If you like stats, look at the German 2nd division points totals from 1st to 10th and rejoice in the Tuetonic efficiency.
That really is a thing of beauty.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 08, 2021, 08:23:24 PM
I would rather have Dean Smith than any of the top 8 in the poll on here, or on Sky Bet.a decent bloke who did well - has had a poor 2021 with very good players. He hit his ceiling.
I think we’ve really fucked this up.
Is all very well saying “Smith out” but surely you have to know who you can get instead, and be pretty confident they’re better? I think we’ve been very impatient with a good coach and a very decent man, who has a pretty bad run with injuries in our bad spell.
Post by: not3bad on November 08, 2021, 08:24:07 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on November 08, 2021, 08:26:30 PM
If those smart arses at Hansa had done the honorable thing and drawn with Holstein it would be 1 - 13If you like stats, look at the German 2nd division points totals from 1st to 10th and rejoice in the Tuetonic efficiency.
That really is a thing of beauty.
Ah Bullocks. Great spot that.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 08, 2021, 08:31:24 PM
Interesting article about the coach Gerrard has with him at Rangers. Liverpool players thought he was incredibly good, and is widely considered the brains behind the operation. If it is to be him, I think he will do pretty well in fairness. We will be top 10 next season, maybe even this, and I think he would command the respect of the dressing room from day 1.
I don't want him, but don't think the result will be a disaster.
That's where I'm at. The coach working with him is Michael Beale, went from Liverpool's Youth academy to Brasil before joining up with Stevie G at Ibrox.
Googled him and there were 2 excellent articles on his coaching ability,one on BBC and the other at Coaches Voice.
It is important we get him as think problem we've had in past getting in managers mid season is they can't always get in their trusted staff with clubs refusing to release them, Beale does sound a good coach and we certainly need one of those given what is left currently.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 08, 2021, 08:33:29 PM
If you like stats, look at the German 2nd division points totals from 1st to 10th and rejoice in the Tuetonic efficiency.
Wasn't there something similar in League 1 or 2 a season or so ago?
Post by: olaftab on November 08, 2021, 08:41:22 PM
Post by: Richard E on November 08, 2021, 08:43:27 PM
Mourinho is fucking it up regale with Roma so he could be available. Anyone?
The idea is about as appealing as hammering knitting needles through my eyeballs.
Post by: The_ads on November 08, 2021, 08:49:42 PM
I would rather have Dean Smith than any of the top 8 in the poll on here, or on Sky Bet.
I think we’ve really fucked this up.
Is all very well saying “Smith out” but surely you have to know who you can get instead, and be pretty confident they’re better? I think we’ve been very impatient with a good coach and a very decent man, who has a pretty bad run with injuries in our bad spell.
I have to ask this. How do you know we haven’t got someone lined up that matches your expectations? Your disappointment stems from reading a load of tabloid and/or Twitter clickbait
Post by: Broadlee on November 08, 2021, 08:50:35 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 08:54:59 PM
This is very true - all I would say, is they whoever they appoint needs to show this "continuous improvement" and get us a top-half finish, and continue to develop our players. If they do then this will have been the correct decision, or at least a correct decision.I would rather have Dean Smith than any of the top 8 in the poll on here, or on Sky Bet.
I think we’ve really fucked this up.
Is all very well saying “Smith out” but surely you have to know who you can get instead, and be pretty confident they’re better? I think we’ve been very impatient with a good coach and a very decent man, who has a pretty bad run with injuries in our bad spell.
I have to ask this. How do you know we haven’t got someone lined up that matches your expectations? Your disappointment stems from reading a load of tabloid and/or Twitter clickbait
If they don't, then I would expect other people to lose their job. I think a lot has gone wrong over the last 4-5 months, and it's not all Dean's fault. I expect these other people to be held to the same high standards that Dean has been.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 08, 2021, 08:57:31 PM
It would be another media circus!Mourinho is fucking it up regale with Roma so he could be available. Anyone?
The idea is about as appealing as hammering knitting needles through my eyeballs.
The Special Once (to quote Jason Cundy).
Post by: AV82EC on November 08, 2021, 08:59:44 PM
Post by: curiousorange on November 08, 2021, 09:01:31 PM
However, I don't want Villa to be anybody's proving ground. If part of the reason Smith got the flick was because we blew a European spot last season, it would be entirely unfair on him to hire somebody who could find the spotlight on him back in English football too much to handle. I don't want anybody but someone that's managed at the highest level.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 09:01:45 PM
None of the main ones on this alleged shortlist are ambitious
I'm hoping for a Danny Ings like annoucement
Post by: KevinGage on November 08, 2021, 09:01:54 PM
Mourinho is fucking it up regale with Roma so he could be available. Anyone?
I would. Not sure he has the stuff to make CL qualification a gimmie in the top flight any more. But you'd back him to get a side organised (if dull) and guarantee mid table initially and then genuine push for Europe in a year or so.
It would be a few notches up from Smith reputation and experience-wise.
Which you couldn't really say about most of the favourites in that list.
Post by: KRS on November 08, 2021, 09:05:55 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 08, 2021, 09:07:28 PM
Percy said the list would be ambitious.
None of the main ones on this alleged shortlist are ambitious
I'm hoping for a Danny Ings like annoucement
List does have people who've won stuff or finished high up in major leagues in fairness.
Trouble is we've appointed in last decade Houllier, McLeish and Di Matteo who all won significant trophies but if they're not the right fit for the squad it matters very little.
Post by: Richard E on November 08, 2021, 09:11:26 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 08, 2021, 09:12:43 PM
I am aware that there is zero chance of this happening.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 08, 2021, 09:15:33 PM
If not Favre (and I hope it is), we're going to have to pinch somebody from another club. Pochettino doesn't look happy at PSG (like I'd know), perhaps Purslow could smarm him in?
I am aware that there is zero chance of this happening.
Could do worse then Emery considering he was about to jack in CL club for one at bottom of this league before changing his mind right at the last minute so he is open to offers and don't think he's signed a new deal there since.
Would actually make sense as we want to be in europa league sooner or later and he's a master at winning that competition, think he's won it 4 times in last 8 years or something daft and also got Arsenal to the final.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 09:18:00 PM
Now that would be interesting
It would be amazing if we could appoint someone like Spurs did with Conte. Someone that makes people think, wow there not fucking around.
I was best mates with a Spurs fan for years during the BFR, Sir Brian era - and in my head they are still comparable teams.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 09:18:43 PM
Dont think that's a bad shoutIf not Favre (and I hope it is), we're going to have to pinch somebody from another club. Pochettino doesn't look happy at PSG (like I'd know), perhaps Purslow could smarm him in?
I am aware that there is zero chance of this happening.
Could do worse then Emery considering he was about to jack in CL club for one at bottom of this league before changing his mind right at the last minute so he is open to offers and don't think he's signed a new deal there since.
Would actually make sense as we want to be in europa league sooner or later and he's a master at winning that competition, think he's won it 4 times in last 8 years or something daft and also got Arsenal to the final.
Post by: Vegas on November 08, 2021, 09:20:56 PM
I would rather have Dean Smith than any of the top 8 in the poll on here, or on Sky Bet.
I think we’ve really fucked this up.
Is all very well saying “Smith out” but surely you have to know who you can get instead, and be pretty confident they’re better? I think we’ve been very impatient with a good coach and a very decent man, who has a pretty bad run with injuries in our bad spell.
I have to ask this. How do you know we haven’t got someone lined up that matches your expectations? Your disappointment stems from reading a load of tabloid and/or Twitter clickbait
You know precisely fuck all about where my disappointment stems from so please cut out the patronising bullshit.
I think the sacking of Dean was harsh and premature, but you’re right, I might well be delighted with a new appointment. My point was you can’t really be “Smith (or any manager) out” without knowing who instead
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 09:30:02 PM
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2021, 09:35:13 PM
Post by: villadelph on November 08, 2021, 09:38:25 PM
It won’t be the Ajax dude. He’ll stay there until the summer then join Man U.
or we'll appoint him and pip donny from manyoo. 8)
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 09:39:26 PM
It won’t be the Ajax dude. He’ll stay there until the summer then join Man U.
Nah he's not glam enough for the United board.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 09:42:04 PM
Yeah, also pretty certain he's not going to turn down the chance to manage Marvolous Nekamba.It won’t be the Ajax dude. He’ll stay there until the summer then join Man U.
Nah he's not glam enough for the United board.
Post by: algy on November 08, 2021, 09:42:12 PM
If you like stats, look at the German 2nd division points totals from 1st to 10th and rejoice in the Tuetonic efficiency.That's wonderful. They should dock Hansa 2pts for inefficiency.
Post by: clash city rocker on November 08, 2021, 09:43:21 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 09:45:37 PM
Erik Ten Hag applies his tactics with a flexible formation in the form of 4-3-3 and 4-3-2-1, with three attacking midfielders who join one attacker at the higher position and three defensive midfield who forms tandem with four defenders.Yeah, also pretty certain he's not going to turn down the chance to manage Marvolous Nekamba.It won’t be the Ajax dude. He’ll stay there until the summer then join Man U.
Nah he's not glam enough for the United board.
De Ligt and Konsa as center half - sorted.
Phew, thats a relief I was worried for a while there
Post by: villadelph on November 08, 2021, 09:47:09 PM
I just hope to goodness that they have done their homework prior to the departure of Dean. As astute businessmen I would assume they have done their homework and come up with a manager that can take us forward. Oh and one last thing to the players.....Take a fuckin look at yourselves in the mirror.
It's driving me mad seeing them post on social media about their affinity for Dean.
You could've just defended for 15 minutes against Wolves three weeks ago and none of this happens. Greasy Joe can fuck off, too, calling dean the goat, yet fawning over pep like a desperate stripper.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 09:51:37 PM
Joe aside, I think most of those that have posted their comments like Mings, Targett and McGinn have their ceilings too - and there probably at them.I just hope to goodness that they have done their homework prior to the departure of Dean. As astute businessmen I would assume they have done their homework and come up with a manager that can take us forward. Oh and one last thing to the players.....Take a fuckin look at yourselves in the mirror.
It's driving me mad seeing them post on social media about their affinity for Dean.
You could've just defended for 15 minutes against Wolves three weeks ago and none of this happens. Greasy Joe can fuck off too calling dean the goat and fawning over pep like a desperate stripper.
I don't think its that they didn't try - just that too much changed and they weren't able to adjust quickly enough
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 08, 2021, 09:54:36 PM
It won’t be the Ajax dude. He’ll stay there until the summer then join Man U.
or we'll appoint him and pip donny from manyoo. 8)
Do you really think we should sign someone with the initials DVB?
Post by: PeterWithe on November 08, 2021, 09:56:37 PM
He’s not done enough to get one of the really big jobs, none of them are available anyway and we can pay him a lot more and give him a bigger budget than he’s got, albeit probably as a stepping stone to one of the huge European jobs It’s not like Ajax keep hold of people they want to is it? their turnover rate is huge.
And he plays 4-3-3 which will fit Deans players.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 09:59:58 PM
I think I asked this the other day but, why couldn’t we get TenHaag if we wanted him?I know - are we really that far off Spurs who were linked with him? I would argue we're better ran, and there is no shortage of investment.
He’s not done enough to get one of the really big jobs, none of them are available anyway and we can pay him a lot more and give him a bigger budget than he’s got, albeit probably as a stepping stone to one of the huge European jobs It’s not like Ajax keep hold of people they want to is it? their turnover rate is huge.
And he plays 4-3-3 which will fit Deans players.
Post by: algy on November 08, 2021, 10:01:35 PM
I think I asked this the other day but, why couldn’t we get TenHaag if we wanted him?I agree. I don't get what's supposedly stopping us from getting him. Even a club like Norwich or Brentford could offer him higher wages and a bigger transfer budget than he'll ever see at Ajax. And for the really big jobs, there's no way they're taking a punt on someone who's not proven in the English/Spanish/Italian/German leagues.
He’s not done enough to get one of the really big jobs, none of them are available anyway and we can pay him a lot more and give him a bigger budget than he’s got, albeit probably as a stepping stone to one of the huge European jobs It’s not like Ajax keep hold of people they want to is it? their turnover rate is huge.
And he plays 4-3-3 which will fit Deans players.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 10:10:59 PM
If I'm Wes or Nassef - I'm wanting a good reason why people of this calibre atent on the list. Surely they don't get to be billionaires by not pushing for the best.I think I asked this the other day but, why couldn’t we get TenHaag if we wanted him?I agree. I don't get what's supposedly stopping us from getting him. Even a club like Norwich or Brentford could offer him higher wages and a bigger transfer budget than he'll ever see at Ajax. And for the really big jobs, there's no way they're taking a punt on someone who's not proven in the English/Spanish/Italian/German leagues.
He’s not done enough to get one of the really big jobs, none of them are available anyway and we can pay him a lot more and give him a bigger budget than he’s got, albeit probably as a stepping stone to one of the huge European jobs It’s not like Ajax keep hold of people they want to is it? their turnover rate is huge.
And he plays 4-3-3 which will fit Deans players.
If spurs can get Conte, and Everton Rafa and Carlo - surely we can get someone better than Steven bloody Gerrard, or the guy from Southampton who is the only manager in the premier league with a worst record than Dean Smith for 2021
Post by: Nii Lamptey on November 08, 2021, 10:11:37 PM
I just hope to goodness that they have done their homework prior to the departure of Dean. As astute businessmen I would assume they have done their homework and come up with a manager that can take us forward. Oh and one last thing to the players.....Take a fuckin look at yourselves in the mirror.
It's driving me mad seeing them post on social media about their affinity for Dean.
You could've just defended for 15 minutes against Wolves three weeks ago and none of this happens. Greasy Joe can fuck off, too, calling dean the goat, yet fawning over pep like a desperate stripper.
Absolutely. I’d be more impressed if they just apologised for ‘being shit’ and saying they should be the ones being sacked.
And yes, Grealish above all others can absolutely fuck off. The second he signed that Man $ity contract it was the death knell for Dean.
Post by: clash city rocker on November 08, 2021, 10:21:15 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 10:24:10 PM
Something happened in the summer with coaches leaving. As for the rat who says he is villa well fuck him Terry love him or hate him is a fantastic defensive coach. It seemed that Dean became a bit isolated without his usual support. We will never know but whoever caused the behind the scenes problems in the summer is the root of the problemYeah - from bits I have read from all these ITK twats is he was encouraged to update his backroom staff, which is ROK went.
Clearly these two new super-duper coaches, Nanny McPhee, and the one that not even his own mother could pick out of a line up, get to stay - there clearly not Dean's picks
Post by: KevinGage on November 08, 2021, 10:26:48 PM
I just hope to goodness that they have done their homework prior to the departure of Dean. As astute businessmen I would assume they have done their homework and come up with a manager that can take us forward. Oh and one last thing to the players.....Take a fuckin look at yourselves in the mirror.
It's driving me mad seeing them post on social media about their affinity for Dean.
You could've just defended for 15 minutes against Wolves three weeks ago and none of this happens. Greasy Joe can fuck off, too, calling dean the goat, yet fawning over pep like a desperate stripper.
Absolutely. I’d be more impressed if they just apologised for ‘being shit’ and saying they should be the ones being sacked.
And yes, Grealish above all others can absolutely fuck off. The second he signed that Man $ity contract it was the death knell for Dean.
Gabby having a pop at the fans as well and that penarse backing him up. Classy.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 08, 2021, 10:30:16 PM
what’s a penarse.I just hope to goodness that they have done their homework prior to the departure of Dean. As astute businessmen I would assume they have done their homework and come up with a manager that can take us forward. Oh and one last thing to the players.....Take a fuckin look at yourselves in the mirror.
It's driving me mad seeing them post on social media about their affinity for Dean.
You could've just defended for 15 minutes against Wolves three weeks ago and none of this happens. Greasy Joe can fuck off, too, calling dean the goat, yet fawning over pep like a desperate stripper.
Absolutely. I’d be more impressed if they just apologised for ‘being shit’ and saying they should be the ones being sacked.
And yes, Grealish above all others can absolutely fuck off. The second he signed that Man $ity contract it was the death knell for Dean.
Gabby having a pop at the fans as well and that penarse backing him up. Classy.
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 08, 2021, 10:36:49 PM
what’s a penarse.I just hope to goodness that they have done their homework prior to the departure of Dean. As astute businessmen I would assume they have done their homework and come up with a manager that can take us forward. Oh and one last thing to the players.....Take a fuckin look at yourselves in the mirror.
It's driving me mad seeing them post on social media about their affinity for Dean.
You could've just defended for 15 minutes against Wolves three weeks ago and none of this happens. Greasy Joe can fuck off, too, calling dean the goat, yet fawning over pep like a desperate stripper.
Absolutely. I’d be more impressed if they just apologised for ‘being shit’ and saying they should be the ones being sacked.
And yes, Grealish above all others can absolutely fuck off. The second he signed that Man $ity contract it was the death knell for Dean.
Gabby having a pop at the fans as well and that penarse backing him up. Classy.
Peenarse
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 08, 2021, 10:37:27 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 08, 2021, 10:42:56 PM
ok who is the Peensrse?what’s a penarse.I just hope to goodness that they have done their homework prior to the departure of Dean. As astute businessmen I would assume they have done their homework and come up with a manager that can take us forward. Oh and one last thing to the players.....Take a fuckin look at yourselves in the mirror.
It's driving me mad seeing them post on social media about their affinity for Dean.
You could've just defended for 15 minutes against Wolves three weeks ago and none of this happens. Greasy Joe can fuck off, too, calling dean the goat, yet fawning over pep like a desperate stripper.
Absolutely. I’d be more impressed if they just apologised for ‘being shit’ and saying they should be the ones being sacked.
And yes, Grealish above all others can absolutely fuck off. The second he signed that Man $ity contract it was the death knell for Dean.
Gabby having a pop at the fans as well and that penarse backing him up. Classy.
Peenarse
Post by: curiousorange on November 08, 2021, 10:47:11 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 08, 2021, 10:49:08 PM
John Terry sending subliminal messages on Instagram.
Oh God. He's not angling for it is he?
Post by: clash city rocker on November 08, 2021, 10:49:55 PM
John Terry sending subliminal messages on Instagram.
Do enlighten me Jon
Post by: PeterWithe on November 08, 2021, 10:50:50 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 10:52:35 PM
Mail reporting we're approaching Gerrard officially.FFS
May I be the first to say, thanks to Gerrard for all he has done for the Villa, but I think he has hit his ceiling, and it's time for us to move on.
Disappointed if this is true
Post by: The Edge on November 08, 2021, 10:53:07 PM
If Terry were to return as defensive coach it would suggest that he left for other reasons than to pursue a job as manager. It won't happen in my view.Favre is my favourite.And mine - with Terry back a defence coach.
Has managed at big clubs, has a reputation for bringing young players through, would surely relish working at Villa.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 10:53:44 PM
I’d rather Terry than Gerrard, I’d at least have some confidence of him understanding and solving the problems that led to DS sacking.Yeah - I think he gets the club, albeit its not his club
Post by: curiousorange on November 08, 2021, 10:57:41 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 11:01:05 PM
Very much hoping Rangers tell us to sod off. Gerrard does absolutely nothing for me.I know - winning the league with Rangers is like winning it with Man City - meaningless as the deck is stacked in your favour.
Really disappointing
Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2021, 11:02:52 PM
What a massive lack of imagination from the Board.
Not as against him as some, but even so this could have been our moment and I don’t think we’ve taken it.
Post by: The_ads on November 08, 2021, 11:07:37 PM
There’s a selection of the fan base that continue to have the temerity to write people off before they’ve had chance to prove themselves. Those that scoff at what Gerrard has achieved had absolutely no problem welcoming Dean Smith with open arms despite having never finished above 11th in the Championship.
Those that claim they dislike the Liverpool connection will be the same people that will foam at the mouth when Grealish doesn’t clap the Holte end when he reappears in November. It’s blinkered, it’s weird, it’s not what we should be about. I get people have opinions and that’s what makes reading and participating in fan forums good but please let’s just get behind whoever is appointed.
FWIW I think Gerrard is a winner, he commands respect, he would bring with him a top class coaching set up and, if it happens, we should get right fucking behind him.
*everyone except Sam Allardyce
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 11:07:52 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 11:09:30 PM
he'll do 2-2.5 years and we will be top half at the end of that.
Be still my beating heart.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 08, 2021, 11:10:49 PM
It’s going to be Gerrard isn’t it?
What a massive lack of imagination from the Board.
Not as against him as some, but even so this could have been our moment and I don’t think we’ve taken it.
Yep agreed.
I said a few weeks back that I reckoned the owners would leave most of the heavy lifting with new manager to Purslow given he pushed for DS last time and that has to be seen as qualified success even if it all ran out of gas last few months so probably no shock they're trusting him again.
Gerrard has pros and cons,will get behind him but think he needs a good start to his reign otherwise it will have a Houllier type feel.
Post by: ozzjim on November 08, 2021, 11:13:49 PM
he'll do 2-2.5 years and we will be top half at the end of that.
Be still my beating heart.
Oh no I get it. But in the long term will he lift the profile of the player we can attract and push us forward on the journey.. quite possibly.
Post by: PeterWithe on November 08, 2021, 11:14:56 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 11:16:29 PM
It’s going to be Gerrard isn’t it?This just seems really fucking lazy - hope I am wrong, but this just feels typical Villa - do all the hard work and then fuck it up.
What a massive lack of imagination from the Board.
Not as against him as some, but even so this could have been our moment and I don’t think we’ve taken it.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 11:19:09 PM
We shouldn’t write off any* manager off before they’ve even walked through the door.TBF Sam Allardyce has achieved much more as a manager than he has
There’s a selection of the fan base that continue to have the temerity to write people off before they’ve had chance to prove themselves. Those that scoff at what Gerrard has achieved had absolutely no problem welcoming Dean Smith with open arms despite having never finished above 11th in the Championship.
Those that claim they dislike the Liverpool connection will be the same people that will foam at the mouth when Grealish doesn’t clap the Holte end when he reappears in November. It’s blinkered, it’s weird, it’s not what we should be about. I get people have opinions and that’s what makes reading and participating in fan forums good but please let’s just get behind whoever is appointed.
FWIW I think Gerrard is a winner, he commands respect, he would bring with him a top class coaching set up and, if it happens, we should get right fucking behind him.
*everyone except Sam Allardyce
Post by: clash city rocker on November 08, 2021, 11:23:55 PM
Post by: The_ads on November 08, 2021, 11:25:01 PM
We shouldn’t write off any* manager off before they’ve even walked through the door.TBF Sam Allardyce has achieved much more as a manager than he has
There’s a selection of the fan base that continue to have the temerity to write people off before they’ve had chance to prove themselves. Those that scoff at what Gerrard has achieved had absolutely no problem welcoming Dean Smith with open arms despite having never finished above 11th in the Championship.
Those that claim they dislike the Liverpool connection will be the same people that will foam at the mouth when Grealish doesn’t clap the Holte end when he reappears in November. It’s blinkered, it’s weird, it’s not what we should be about. I get people have opinions and that’s what makes reading and participating in fan forums good but please let’s just get behind whoever is appointed.
FWIW I think Gerrard is a winner, he commands respect, he would bring with him a top class coaching set up and, if it happens, we should get right fucking behind him.
*everyone except Sam Allardyce
What a ridiculous comparison. Allardyce has been a manager for 30 years and won precisely fuck all.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2021, 11:25:19 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 08, 2021, 11:25:34 PM
Very much hoping Rangers tell us to sod off.
Might have to offer to play them in a 'friendly' to clinch the deal.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 08, 2021, 11:25:59 PM
We shouldn’t write off any* manager off before they’ve even walked through the door.
There’s a selection of the fan base that continue to have the temerity to write people off before they’ve had chance to prove themselves. Those that scoff at what Gerrard has achieved had absolutely no problem welcoming Dean Smith with open arms despite having never finished above 11th in the Championship.
Those that claim they dislike the Liverpool connection will be the same people that will foam at the mouth when Grealish doesn’t clap the Holte end when he reappears in November. It’s blinkered, it’s weird, it’s not what we should be about. I get people have opinions and that’s what makes reading and participating in fan forums good but please let’s just get behind whoever is appointed.
FWIW I think Gerrard is a winner, he commands respect, he would bring with him a top class coaching set up and, if it happens, we should get right fucking behind him.
*everyone except Sam Allardyce
For a winner he hasn't, y'know, won much.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 08, 2021, 11:26:59 PM
Surely an approach, if it’s even true because nobody else is reporting it, doesn’t mean he will be the manager. First it has to be granted. Second there will other candidates we will approach.
Depends if it's one of those "shortlist of one" scenarios.
I think Gerrard is number one choice anyway. If he/Rangers reject interesting who we go for next.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 11:28:25 PM
100% record as England manager ;DWe shouldn’t write off any* manager off before they’ve even walked through the door.TBF Sam Allardyce has achieved much more as a manager than he has
There’s a selection of the fan base that continue to have the temerity to write people off before they’ve had chance to prove themselves. Those that scoff at what Gerrard has achieved had absolutely no problem welcoming Dean Smith with open arms despite having never finished above 11th in the Championship.
Those that claim they dislike the Liverpool connection will be the same people that will foam at the mouth when Grealish doesn’t clap the Holte end when he reappears in November. It’s blinkered, it’s weird, it’s not what we should be about. I get people have opinions and that’s what makes reading and participating in fan forums good but please let’s just get behind whoever is appointed.
FWIW I think Gerrard is a winner, he commands respect, he would bring with him a top class coaching set up and, if it happens, we should get right fucking behind him.
*everyone except Sam Allardyce
What a ridiculous comparison. Allardyce has been a manager for 30 years and won precisely fuck all.
I hope I'm wrong but I think hell be gone before the start of next season
Post by: aj2k77 on November 08, 2021, 11:30:45 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on November 08, 2021, 11:31:24 PM
I think Gerrard is number one choice anyway.
I’d find it really strange if we’d planned for that, it would seem to be just as big a risk as giving Dean another 10 games.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 08, 2021, 11:33:00 PM
I think Gerrard is number one choice anyway.
I’d find it really strange if we’d planned for that, it would seem to be just as big a risk as giving Dean another 10 games.
Exactly.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 11:33:52 PM
Exactly - IMO this takes us further backwards. Apparently he likes more control then a "head coach" role. which kinda pisses in the face of what were trying to do.I think Gerrard is number one choice anyway.
I’d find that really strange if we’d planned for that, it would seem to be just as big a risk as giving Dean another 10 games.
Think this is a mistake
Post by: KevinGage on November 08, 2021, 11:34:04 PM
Surely an approach, if it’s even true because nobody else is reporting it, doesn’t mean he will be the manager. First it has to be granted. Second there will other candidates we will approach.
Depends if it's one of those "shortlist of one" scenarios.
I think Gerrard is number one choice anyway. If he/Rangers reject interesting who we go for next.
Jamie Carragher or Pep Clotet.
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 11:35:17 PM
So for some of the wealthiest owners in world football, our Chief Exec has managed so narrow it down to a bloke who manages in a pub league with no other experience. Shit show from Purslow if true.Exactly this. Will lose a lot of faith in the board if this is true.
Anyway - I'm off to bed, getting myself too worked up by something that hasn't happened
Post by: danno on November 08, 2021, 11:37:16 PM
But I think courting Gerrard is starry eyed nonsense. I don't believe for a second if we had a different CEO he would be anywhere near our list of candidates.
But gawsh golly gee whizz! what a player he was!
Post by: The_ads on November 08, 2021, 11:39:39 PM
We shouldn’t write off any* manager off before they’ve even walked through the door.
There’s a selection of the fan base that continue to have the temerity to write people off before they’ve had chance to prove themselves. Those that scoff at what Gerrard has achieved had absolutely no problem welcoming Dean Smith with open arms despite having never finished above 11th in the Championship.
Those that claim they dislike the Liverpool connection will be the same people that will foam at the mouth when Grealish doesn’t clap the Holte end when he reappears in November. It’s blinkered, it’s weird, it’s not what we should be about. I get people have opinions and that’s what makes reading and participating in fan forums good but please let’s just get behind whoever is appointed.
FWIW I think Gerrard is a winner, he commands respect, he would bring with him a top class coaching set up and, if it happens, we should get right fucking behind him.
*everyone except Sam Allardyce
For a winner he hasn't, y'know, won much.
Every domestic honour more than twice over bar the big one, European cup, UEFA cup and European Super cup. But yeah - not much
Post by: Clive W on November 08, 2021, 11:39:58 PM
We shouldn’t write off any* manager off before they’ve even walked through the door.
There’s a selection of the fan base that continue to have the temerity to write people off before they’ve had chance to prove themselves. Those that scoff at what Gerrard has achieved had absolutely no problem welcoming Dean Smith with open arms despite having never finished above 11th in the Championship.
Those that claim they dislike the Liverpool connection will be the same people that will foam at the mouth when Grealish doesn’t clap the Holte end when he reappears in November. It’s blinkered, it’s weird, it’s not what we should be about. I get people have opinions and that’s what makes reading and participating in fan forums good but please let’s just get behind whoever is appointed.
FWIW I think Gerrard is a winner, he commands respect, he would bring with him a top class coaching set up and, if it happens, we should get right fucking behind him.
*everyone except Sam Allardyce
For a winner he hasn't, y'know, won much.
With Liverpool - FA cup (x2), Football League Cup (x3), FA Charity Shield, European Cup, UEFA Cup, European Super Cup
But apart from that…what have the Romans done for us?
And since 1996 we have won…what exactly?
Post by: brontebilly on November 08, 2021, 11:40:06 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on November 08, 2021, 11:43:57 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 11:45:11 PM
*I do.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 08, 2021, 11:47:27 PM
Side note: the odd mention of Lampard bringing through youth at Chelsea, wasn't this because they had an embargo so he had no choice?
Post by: Beard82 on November 08, 2021, 11:47:33 PM
Shit didn’t realise Rangers won the champions league 😂.We shouldn’t write off any* manager off before they’ve even walked through the door.
There’s a selection of the fan base that continue to have the temerity to write people off before they’ve had chance to prove themselves. Those that scoff at what Gerrard has achieved had absolutely no problem welcoming Dean Smith with open arms despite having never finished above 11th in the Championship.
Those that claim they dislike the Liverpool connection will be the same people that will foam at the mouth when Grealish doesn’t clap the Holte end when he reappears in November. It’s blinkered, it’s weird, it’s not what we should be about. I get people have opinions and that’s what makes reading and participating in fan forums good but please let’s just get behind whoever is appointed.
FWIW I think Gerrard is a winner, he commands respect, he would bring with him a top class coaching set up and, if it happens, we should get right fucking behind him.
*everyone except Sam Allardyce
For a winner he hasn't, y'know, won much.
Every domestic honour more than twice over bar the big one, European cup, UEFA cup and European Super cup. But yeah - not much
Sorry only joking
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2021, 11:48:51 PM
We shouldn’t write off any* manager off before they’ve even walked through the door.
There’s a selection of the fan base that continue to have the temerity to write people off before they’ve had chance to prove themselves. Those that scoff at what Gerrard has achieved had absolutely no problem welcoming Dean Smith with open arms despite having never finished above 11th in the Championship.
Those that claim they dislike the Liverpool connection will be the same people that will foam at the mouth when Grealish doesn’t clap the Holte end when he reappears in November. It’s blinkered, it’s weird, it’s not what we should be about. I get people have opinions and that’s what makes reading and participating in fan forums good but please let’s just get behind whoever is appointed.
FWIW I think Gerrard is a winner, he commands respect, he would bring with him a top class coaching set up and, if it happens, we should get right fucking behind him.
*everyone except Sam Allardyce
For a winner he hasn't, y'know, won much.
With Liverpool - FA cup (x2), Football League Cup (x3), FA Charity Shield, European Cup, UEFA Cup, European Super Cup
But apart from that…what have the Romans done for us?
And since 1996 we have won…what exactly?
Discounting his playing career, because it's completely irrelevant, he has won one trophy. In three years.
Not sure if I've mentioned it, but St Johnstone manager Callum Davidson won twice as many trophies in one year.
The idea that Gerrard is in any way a successful manager stems back, yet again, to pathetic Liverpool fanwankery.
I'm well aware of how long it is since Villa last won a trophy, that's why I'd rather we appointed the best manager possible to end the drought, rather than getting gooey-eyed with excitement over someone because they used to play for Liverpool.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 08, 2021, 11:50:20 PM
What is the fucking point in an appointment like that?
Post by: PeterWithe on November 08, 2021, 11:52:04 PM
Side note: the odd mention of Lampard bringing through youth at Chelsea, wasn't this because they had an embargo so he had no choice?
But that’s why he got the job, he’d done well at Derby bringing through young players and that was what Chelsea needed in those circumstances
He’d make more sense as an appointment than Gerrard. But not much
Post by: aj2k77 on November 08, 2021, 11:54:00 PM
Post by: Clive W on November 08, 2021, 11:57:01 PM
We shouldn’t write off any* manager off before they’ve even walked through the door.
There’s a selection of the fan base that continue to have the temerity to write people off before they’ve had chance to prove themselves. Those that scoff at what Gerrard has achieved had absolutely no problem welcoming Dean Smith with open arms despite having never finished above 11th in the Championship.
Those that claim they dislike the Liverpool connection will be the same people that will foam at the mouth when Grealish doesn’t clap the Holte end when he reappears in November. It’s blinkered, it’s weird, it’s not what we should be about. I get people have opinions and that’s what makes reading and participating in fan forums good but please let’s just get behind whoever is appointed.
FWIW I think Gerrard is a winner, he commands respect, he would bring with him a top class coaching set up and, if it happens, we should get right fucking behind him.
*everyone except Sam Allardyce
For a winner he hasn't, y'know, won much.
With Liverpool - FA cup (x2), Football League Cup (x3), FA Charity Shield, European Cup, UEFA Cup, European Super Cup
But apart from that…what have the Romans done for us?
And since 1996 we have won…what exactly?
Discounting his playing career, because it's completely irrelevant, he has won one trophy. In three years.
Not sure if I've mentioned it, but St Johnstone manager Callum Davidson won twice as many trophies in one year.
The idea that Gerrard is in any way a successful manager stems back, yet again, to pathetic Liverpool fanwankery.
I'm well aware of how long it is since Villa last won a trophy, that's why I'd rather we appointed the best manager possible to end the drought, rather than getting gooey-eyed with excitement over someone because they used to play for Liverpool.
I wasn’t suggesting for one minute that Gerrard would be a good choice - I was merely countering the suggestion (ludicrous in my view) that he is not a “winner”
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 08, 2021, 11:58:21 PM
Side note: the odd mention of Lampard bringing through youth at Chelsea, wasn't this because they had an embargo so he had no choice?
But that’s why he got the job, he’d done well at Derby bringing through young players and that was what Chelsea needed in those circumstances
He’d make more sense as an appointment than Gerrard. But not much
But it doesn't necessarily mean it is a philosophy of his which he would continue if he had the funds. I mean it might be but I'm not sure it can be stated that it's his way just yet.
Signing Gerrard just lacks ambition for me. It could work out great and hopefully it does but it won't change what it feels like now. There is some revisionism on when Moyes went back to West Ham but 95% of fans laughed when it happened and another 4% were pissed off Hammers. If it happens then hopefully it works out just as well.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 09, 2021, 12:00:08 AM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 09, 2021, 12:00:10 AM
We shouldn’t write off any* manager off before they’ve even walked through the door.
There’s a selection of the fan base that continue to have the temerity to write people off before they’ve had chance to prove themselves. Those that scoff at what Gerrard has achieved had absolutely no problem welcoming Dean Smith with open arms despite having never finished above 11th in the Championship.
Those that claim they dislike the Liverpool connection will be the same people that will foam at the mouth when Grealish doesn’t clap the Holte end when he reappears in November. It’s blinkered, it’s weird, it’s not what we should be about. I get people have opinions and that’s what makes reading and participating in fan forums good but please let’s just get behind whoever is appointed.
FWIW I think Gerrard is a winner, he commands respect, he would bring with him a top class coaching set up and, if it happens, we should get right fucking behind him.
*everyone except Sam Allardyce
For a winner he hasn't, y'know, won much.
With Liverpool - FA cup (x2), Football League Cup (x3), FA Charity Shield, European Cup, UEFA Cup, European Super Cup
But apart from that…what have the Romans done for us?
And since 1996 we have won…what exactly?
Discounting his playing career, because it's completely irrelevant, he has won one trophy. In three years.
Not sure if I've mentioned it, but St Johnstone manager Callum Davidson won twice as many trophies in one year.
The idea that Gerrard is in any way a successful manager stems back, yet again, to pathetic Liverpool fanwankery.
I'm well aware of how long it is since Villa last won a trophy, that's why I'd rather we appointed the best manager possible to end the drought, rather than getting gooey-eyed with excitement over someone because they used to play for Liverpool.
I wasn’t suggesting for one minute that Gerrard would be a good choice - I was merely countering the suggestion (ludicrous in my view) that he is not a “winner”
But isn't it obvious people are referring to his managerial career? Surely it's just a given in this discussion?
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 12:06:41 AM
We shouldn’t write off any* manager off before they’ve even walked through the door.
There’s a selection of the fan base that continue to have the temerity to write people off before they’ve had chance to prove themselves. Those that scoff at what Gerrard has achieved had absolutely no problem welcoming Dean Smith with open arms despite having never finished above 11th in the Championship.
Those that claim they dislike the Liverpool connection will be the same people that will foam at the mouth when Grealish doesn’t clap the Holte end when he reappears in November. It’s blinkered, it’s weird, it’s not what we should be about. I get people have opinions and that’s what makes reading and participating in fan forums good but please let’s just get behind whoever is appointed.
FWIW I think Gerrard is a winner, he commands respect, he would bring with him a top class coaching set up and, if it happens, we should get right fucking behind him.
*everyone except Sam Allardyce
For a winner he hasn't, y'know, won much.
With Liverpool - FA cup (x2), Football League Cup (x3), FA Charity Shield, European Cup, UEFA Cup, European Super Cup
But apart from that…what have the Romans done for us?
And since 1996 we have won…what exactly?
Discounting his playing career, because it's completely irrelevant, he has won one trophy. In three years.
Not sure if I've mentioned it, but St Johnstone manager Callum Davidson won twice as many trophies in one year.
The idea that Gerrard is in any way a successful manager stems back, yet again, to pathetic Liverpool fanwankery.
I'm well aware of how long it is since Villa last won a trophy, that's why I'd rather we appointed the best manager possible to end the drought, rather than getting gooey-eyed with excitement over someone because they used to play for Liverpool.
I wasn’t suggesting for one minute that Gerrard would be a good choice - I was merely countering the suggestion (ludicrous in my view) that he is not a “winner”
Fair enough, but there is no evidence that he is "a winner" in managerial terms. Certainly not more so than, say, Alex McLeish, who won eight trophies in five years at Ibrox.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 09, 2021, 12:12:27 AM
*at least I hope so!
Post by: Clive W on November 09, 2021, 12:14:10 AM
We shouldn’t write off any* manager off before they’ve even walked through the door.
There’s a selection of the fan base that continue to have the temerity to write people off before they’ve had chance to prove themselves. Those that scoff at what Gerrard has achieved had absolutely no problem welcoming Dean Smith with open arms despite having never finished above 11th in the Championship.
Those that claim they dislike the Liverpool connection will be the same people that will foam at the mouth when Grealish doesn’t clap the Holte end when he reappears in November. It’s blinkered, it’s weird, it’s not what we should be about. I get people have opinions and that’s what makes reading and participating in fan forums good but please let’s just get behind whoever is appointed.
FWIW I think Gerrard is a winner, he commands respect, he would bring with him a top class coaching set up and, if it happens, we should get right fucking behind him.
*everyone except Sam Allardyce
For a winner he hasn't, y'know, won much.
With Liverpool - FA cup (x2), Football League Cup (x3), FA Charity Shield, European Cup, UEFA Cup, European Super Cup
But apart from that…what have the Romans done for us?
And since 1996 we have won…what exactly?
Discounting his playing career, because it's completely irrelevant, he has won one trophy. In three years.
Not sure if I've mentioned it, but St Johnstone manager Callum Davidson won twice as many trophies in one year.
The idea that Gerrard is in any way a successful manager stems back, yet again, to pathetic Liverpool fanwankery.
I'm well aware of how long it is since Villa last won a trophy, that's why I'd rather we appointed the best manager possible to end the drought, rather than getting gooey-eyed with excitement over someone because they used to play for Liverpool.
I wasn’t suggesting for one minute that Gerrard would be a good choice - I was merely countering the suggestion (ludicrous in my view) that he is not a “winner”
Fair enough, but there is no evidence that he is "a winner" in managerial terms. Certainly not more so than, say, Alex McLeish, who won eight trophies in five years at Ibrox.
Totally agree CD
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 09, 2021, 12:18:37 AM
https://twitter.com/elmo_27/status/1457656435786006531?s=21
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 12:19:13 AM
We shouldn’t write off any* manager off before they’ve even walked through the door.
There’s a selection of the fan base that continue to have the temerity to write people off before they’ve had chance to prove themselves. Those that scoff at what Gerrard has achieved had absolutely no problem welcoming Dean Smith with open arms despite having never finished above 11th in the Championship.
Those that claim they dislike the Liverpool connection will be the same people that will foam at the mouth when Grealish doesn’t clap the Holte end when he reappears in November. It’s blinkered, it’s weird, it’s not what we should be about. I get people have opinions and that’s what makes reading and participating in fan forums good but please let’s just get behind whoever is appointed.
FWIW I think Gerrard is a winner, he commands respect, he would bring with him a top class coaching set up and, if it happens, we should get right fucking behind him.
*everyone except Sam Allardyce
For a winner he hasn't, y'know, won much.
With Liverpool - FA cup (x2), Football League Cup (x3), FA Charity Shield, European Cup, UEFA Cup, European Super Cup
But apart from that…what have the Romans done for us?
And since 1996 we have won…what exactly?
Discounting his playing career, because it's completely irrelevant, he has won one trophy. In three years.
Not sure if I've mentioned it, but St Johnstone manager Callum Davidson won twice as many trophies in one year.
The idea that Gerrard is in any way a successful manager stems back, yet again, to pathetic Liverpool fanwankery.
I'm well aware of how long it is since Villa last won a trophy, that's why I'd rather we appointed the best manager possible to end the drought, rather than getting gooey-eyed with excitement over someone because they used to play for Liverpool.
I wasn’t suggesting for one minute that Gerrard would be a good choice - I was merely countering the suggestion (ludicrous in my view) that he is not a “winner”
Fair enough, but there is no evidence that he is "a winner" in managerial terms. Certainly not more so than, say, Alex McLeish, who won eight trophies in five years at Ibrox.
With respect, there is no evidence any one linked with job the last few days can bring success to the club. It’s really early days but Palace took a risk on Viera and currently playing some great stuff and winning football matches. Brighton took a risk on Potter and plenty would have him as manager. I’m not sure we should be so quick to dismiss the credentials of someone before he’s even been interviewed. I cognisant we all want the same thing here and that’s success for the football club, but I do see some over reactionary views sometimes
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 12:23:28 AM
Post by: Flin5tone on November 09, 2021, 12:24:09 AM
If true, I would hope Gary McAllister will be part of the coaching team as he done a fantastic job as caretaker and at the time should have been given the job Full Time instead of appointing Alex McLeish
I would still prefer Roy Hodgson until the summer and get us safely up to mid -table and then go all out for Ten Hag and bring with him the Ajax way of doing things. Their Academy is remarkable
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 12:31:12 AM
We shouldn’t write off any* manager off before they’ve even walked through the door.
There’s a selection of the fan base that continue to have the temerity to write people off before they’ve had chance to prove themselves. Those that scoff at what Gerrard has achieved had absolutely no problem welcoming Dean Smith with open arms despite having never finished above 11th in the Championship.
Those that claim they dislike the Liverpool connection will be the same people that will foam at the mouth when Grealish doesn’t clap the Holte end when he reappears in November. It’s blinkered, it’s weird, it’s not what we should be about. I get people have opinions and that’s what makes reading and participating in fan forums good but please let’s just get behind whoever is appointed.
FWIW I think Gerrard is a winner, he commands respect, he would bring with him a top class coaching set up and, if it happens, we should get right fucking behind him.
*everyone except Sam Allardyce
For a winner he hasn't, y'know, won much.
Every domestic honour more than twice over bar the big one, European cup, UEFA cup and European Super cup. But yeah - not much
I was under the impression that we were thinking of him as a manager?
Post by: Clive W on November 09, 2021, 12:37:54 AM
We shouldn’t write off any* manager off before they’ve even walked through the door.
There’s a selection of the fan base that continue to have the temerity to write people off before they’ve had chance to prove themselves. Those that scoff at what Gerrard has achieved had absolutely no problem welcoming Dean Smith with open arms despite having never finished above 11th in the Championship.
Those that claim they dislike the Liverpool connection will be the same people that will foam at the mouth when Grealish doesn’t clap the Holte end when he reappears in November. It’s blinkered, it’s weird, it’s not what we should be about. I get people have opinions and that’s what makes reading and participating in fan forums good but please let’s just get behind whoever is appointed.
FWIW I think Gerrard is a winner, he commands respect, he would bring with him a top class coaching set up and, if it happens, we should get right fucking behind him.
*everyone except Sam Allardyce
For a winner he hasn't, y'know, won much.
Every domestic honour more than twice over bar the big one, European cup, UEFA cup and European Super cup. But yeah - not much
I was under the impression that we were thinking of him as a manager?
Perhaps we are all getting confused with terminology
If we can agree that Gerrard has a “winner’s mentality” would that help?
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2021, 12:41:07 AM
All depends on the expectations. Will Gerrard come if the job doesn't have a large budget? No. Will he come if he thinks he won't be backed... no. So from that respect I think he's going to be ok. He's not who I'd want, but I think he'll do 2-2.5 years and we will be top half at the end of that.
I can't tell if you're happy with it or not.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 12:42:28 AM
We shouldn’t write off any* manager off before they’ve even walked through the door.
There’s a selection of the fan base that continue to have the temerity to write people off before they’ve had chance to prove themselves. Those that scoff at what Gerrard has achieved had absolutely no problem welcoming Dean Smith with open arms despite having never finished above 11th in the Championship.
Those that claim they dislike the Liverpool connection will be the same people that will foam at the mouth when Grealish doesn’t clap the Holte end when he reappears in November. It’s blinkered, it’s weird, it’s not what we should be about. I get people have opinions and that’s what makes reading and participating in fan forums good but please let’s just get behind whoever is appointed.
FWIW I think Gerrard is a winner, he commands respect, he would bring with him a top class coaching set up and, if it happens, we should get right fucking behind him.
*everyone except Sam Allardyce
For a winner he hasn't, y'know, won much.
Every domestic honour more than twice over bar the big one, European cup, UEFA cup and European Super cup. But yeah - not much
I was under the impression that we were thinking of him as a manager?
Perhaps we are all getting confused with terminology
If we can agree that Gerrard has a “winner’s mentality” would that help?
More of winner's mentality than Steve Bruce, who won more trophies?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 12:42:38 AM
We shouldn’t write off any* manager off before they’ve even walked through the door.
There’s a selection of the fan base that continue to have the temerity to write people off before they’ve had chance to prove themselves. Those that scoff at what Gerrard has achieved had absolutely no problem welcoming Dean Smith with open arms despite having never finished above 11th in the Championship.
Those that claim they dislike the Liverpool connection will be the same people that will foam at the mouth when Grealish doesn’t clap the Holte end when he reappears in November. It’s blinkered, it’s weird, it’s not what we should be about. I get people have opinions and that’s what makes reading and participating in fan forums good but please let’s just get behind whoever is appointed.
FWIW I think Gerrard is a winner, he commands respect, he would bring with him a top class coaching set up and, if it happens, we should get right fucking behind him.
*everyone except Sam Allardyce
For a winner he hasn't, y'know, won much.
Every domestic honour more than twice over bar the big one, European cup, UEFA cup and European Super cup. But yeah - not much
I was under the impression that we were thinking of him as a manager?
Perhaps we are all getting confused with terminology
If we can agree that Gerrard has a “winner’s mentality” would that help?
So does Paul Lambert. It means nothing.
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2021, 12:51:44 AM
I've no doubt he'll say he loved Villa Park, massive club etc but the reality is he'll be using us as a stepping stone to another club. Which fucks me off.
Post by: The Edge on November 09, 2021, 01:03:18 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 09, 2021, 01:10:14 AM
I’m voting NO on Gerrard. Nothing at all to do with him. I don’t give a fuck about that. It’s more his tactics and lack of success overall. Yes one league title, but he quickly said 1 in 9. And tactically he said he doesn’t bring anything truly innovative. I wanted to hear that perspective vs just not wanting him. I hope we have a better plan and this is all media talk.
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2021, 01:51:03 AM
Bar Deano for 3 years, we haven't got one right since 2006 and we've got behind all the other buggers since, full of (often limited) hope and (even more limited) expectations.
Post by: pelty on November 09, 2021, 04:06:10 AM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 09, 2021, 05:07:29 AM
I'm worried that we might not have our Villa back if we appoint Gerrard.
I've no doubt he'll say he loved Villa Park, massive club etc but the reality is he'll be using us as a stepping stone to another club. Which fucks me off.
I thought having “our Villa back” was more linked to owners than any head coach? I’m not sure what “having our Villa back” means. We haven’t got Villa back if SG is head coach, but we did with Dean? Is it because Dean is a Villa fan, or a head coach some people like?
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 06:18:12 AM
If im not mistaken he has signed some relatively cheap players that have turned iut to be great.
I just hope we dont go for that maniac moreles if Gerrard is appointed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 09, 2021, 06:33:08 AM
Anyone, player or manager will attract interest if they perform well as has always been the case so why worry?
Whoever takes over and is hopefully successful will get noticed by the next level of team. Its the way its always been.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 09, 2021, 06:35:09 AM
Post by: villa for life on November 09, 2021, 06:38:58 AM
I don't get this concern over Villa being used as a stepping stone.
Anyone, player or manager will attract interest if they perform well as has always been the case so why worry?
Whoever takes over and is hopefully successful will get noticed by the next level of team. Its the way its always been.
Exactly! Gerrard would have to make us into a top 6 club for Liverpool to be interested in him. And if he did do that and left, we’d be able to attract an elite manager as Spurs have done.
Post by: OzVilla on November 09, 2021, 06:57:03 AM
Post by: lovejoy on November 09, 2021, 06:58:12 AM
Agreed, I can’t believe they’d sack a popular coach for an underwhelming replacement, surely.I think Gerrard is number one choice anyway.
I’d find it really strange if we’d planned for that, it would seem to be just as big a risk as giving Dean another 10 games.
Post by: gpbarr on November 09, 2021, 06:59:31 AM
I don't get this concern over Villa being used as a stepping stone.
Anyone, player or manager will attract interest if they perform well as has always been the case so why worry?
Whoever takes over and is hopefully successful will get noticed by the next level of team. Its the way its always been.
Exactly! Gerrard would have to make us into a top 6 club for Liverpool to be interested in him. And if he did do that and left, we’d be able to attract an elite manager as Spurs have done.
Appointing a scouser to manage Villa would just be a hard pill to swallow. But that’s a personal issue.
The bigger issue for me is why Gerrard the manager? He is an untested quantity at the PL level, he has limited experience as a manager full stop, he has not yet shown he can handle the pressure commensurate with a club like Villa - basically it would be another Lambert like appointment (he had done well at Norwich etc) and IMO would be a disaster. Rangers are a big club in a tin pot league - success there at best is akin to success in the Championship.
I just don’t get the appeal.
Surely to god, we have higher ambition.
Post by: London Villan on November 09, 2021, 07:01:38 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 09, 2021, 07:04:40 AM
Completely agree, he has not had the experience of dealing with a run of defeats for example, because in Scotland managing Rangers that’s almost impossible.I don't get this concern over Villa being used as a stepping stone.
Anyone, player or manager will attract interest if they perform well as has always been the case so why worry?
Whoever takes over and is hopefully successful will get noticed by the next level of team. Its the way its always been.
Exactly! Gerrard would have to make us into a top 6 club for Liverpool to be interested in him. And if he did do that and left, we’d be able to attract an elite manager as Spurs have done.
Appointing a scouser to manage Villa would just be a hard pill to swallow. But that’s a personal issue.
The bigger issue for me is why Gerrard the manager? He is an untested quantity at the PL level, he has limited experience as a manager full stop, he has not yet shown he can handle the pressure commensurate with a club like Villa - basically it would be another Lambert like appointment (he had done well at Norwich etc) and IMO would be a disaster. Rangers are a big club in a tin pot league - success there at best is akin to success in the Championship.
I just don’t get the appeal.
Surely to god, we have higher ambition.
Post by: ozzjim on November 09, 2021, 07:05:33 AM
Post by: ldavfc4eva on November 09, 2021, 07:05:48 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 09, 2021, 07:11:16 AM
I'd hope so.I don't get this concern over Villa being used as a stepping stone.
Anyone, player or manager will attract interest if they perform well as has always been the case so why worry?
Whoever takes over and is hopefully successful will get noticed by the next level of team. Its the way its always been.
Exactly! Gerrard would have to make us into a top 6 club for Liverpool to be interested in him. And if he did do that and left, we’d be able to attract an elite manager as Spurs have done.
Appointing a scouser to manage Villa would just be a hard pill to swallow. But that’s a personal issue.
The bigger issue for me is why Gerrard the manager? He is an untested quantity at the PL level, he has limited experience as a manager full stop, he has not yet shown he can handle the pressure commensurate with a club like Villa - basically it would be another Lambert like appointment (he had done well at Norwich etc) and IMO would be a disaster. Rangers are a big club in a tin pot league - success there at best is akin to success in the Championship.
I just don’t get the appeal.
Surely to god, we have higher ambition.
Steven Gerrard would be a punt as he's probably the least experienced out of all of the candidates I've seen.
Whoever gets the privilege of managing us I'll support but I'm not worrying about his future employment with others.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 09, 2021, 07:13:17 AM
Get Potter in and get him to bring Bissouma with him
If Bissouma was with us then I don't think Deano loses his job. But yes please!
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 09, 2021, 07:29:05 AM
I don't get this concern over Villa being used as a stepping stone.
Anyone, player or manager will attract interest if they perform well as has always been the case so why worry?
Whoever takes over and is hopefully successful will get noticed by the next level of team. Its the way its always been.
Exactly! Gerrard would have to make us into a top 6 club for Liverpool to be interested in him. And if he did do that and left, we’d be able to attract an elite manager as Spurs have done.
Appointing a scouser to manage Villa would just be a hard pill to swallow. But that’s a personal issue.
The bigger issue for me is why Gerrard the manager? He is an untested quantity at the PL level, he has limited experience as a manager full stop, he has not yet shown he can handle the pressure commensurate with a club like Villa - basically it would be another Lambert like appointment (he had done well at Norwich etc) and IMO would be a disaster. Rangers are a big club in a tin pot league - success there at best is akin to success in the Championship.
I just don’t get the appeal.
Surely to god, we have higher ambition.
Dean Smith had never managed in the Premier league, never had the pressure of managing a big club, but virtually everyone welcomed him with open arms. Was it because he was a Villa fan? Dean had never got a team promoted and his highest finish was 11th. That appointment turned out ok. I am not saying that I want SG as manager / head coach, but some of the things I read are strange considering we took a gamble on (at the time) a mid championship manager.
Post by: baddowvillans on November 09, 2021, 07:29:35 AM
And before you shout me down please read again I am NOT advocating Lampard just making a comparison
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 07:40:17 AM
I don't get this concern over Villa being used as a stepping stone.
Anyone, player or manager will attract interest if they perform well as has always been the case so why worry?
Whoever takes over and is hopefully successful will get noticed by the next level of team. Its the way its always been.
Exactly! Gerrard would have to make us into a top 6 club for Liverpool to be interested in him. And if he did do that and left, we’d be able to attract an elite manager as Spurs have done.
Appointing a scouser to manage Villa would just be a hard pill to swallow. But that’s a personal issue.
The bigger issue for me is why Gerrard the manager? He is an untested quantity at the PL level, he has limited experience as a manager full stop, he has not yet shown he can handle the pressure commensurate with a club like Villa - basically it would be another Lambert like appointment (he had done well at Norwich etc) and IMO would be a disaster. Rangers are a big club in a tin pot league - success there at best is akin to success in the Championship.
I just don’t get the appeal.
Surely to god, we have higher ambition.
Dean Smith had never managed in the Premier league, never had the pressure of managing a big club, but virtually everyone welcomed him with open arms. Was it because he was a Villa fan? Dean had never got a team promoted and his highest finish was 11th. That appointment turned out ok. I am not saying that I want SG as manager / head coach, but some of the things I read are strange considering we took a gamble on (at the time) a mid championship manager.
Exactly this. Please don’t push the ‘but he’s never managed in the premier league’ narrative at Gerrard when I’ve seen Favre & Fonseca touted on here.
Post by: ozzjim on November 09, 2021, 07:41:51 AM
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 07:44:48 AM
Get Potter in and get him to bring Bissouma with him
Better be quick then...
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2021, 07:48:35 AM
Favre has a longcrecord if good football development of youth players and reasonable success.
Gerrard has 1 trophy in 3 seasons in a 2 horse race, has his own fans questioning the style of play and comes across as very much relying on his reputation as a player.
No comparison between the three comes out with Gerrard on top other than his playing career.
Post by: simboy on November 09, 2021, 07:51:26 AM
Get Potter in and get him to bring Bissouma with him
Better be quick then...
Suppose that’s one way of making the back pages
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 07:55:24 AM
Fonseca has a decent record at a few different clubs including in a big league.
Favre has a longcrecord if good football development of youth players and reasonable success.
Gerrard has 1 trophy in 3 seasons in a 2 horse race, has his own fans questioning the style of play and comes across as very much relying on his reputation as a player.
No comparison between the three comes out with Gerrard on top other than his playing career.
But all of those are unknown quantities. Someone clever should be able to find me the Remi Garde thread on here where I’m fairly certainly some would have spoken highly about his 50% win record at Lyon and his cup win.
There’s no way on this planet we should write off anyone that sits in that dugout. You can’t possibly know how working with better players in a league he knows might turn out. Some of the comments I’m reading are a bordering on the offensive to someone yet to walk through the door. I really hope, if he does come, we see a few eggs on faces come May
Post by: lovejoy on November 09, 2021, 07:56:13 AM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 09, 2021, 08:01:05 AM
Get Potter in and get him to bring Bissouma with him
Isn’t he in a 5 a side team behind closed doors?
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 08:05:54 AM
Look at the list if managers who were on the list for Tottenham, then for Norwich then us and tell me statuswise who we are nearer to.
Think that’s totally unfair. We’re a premier league club in its 3rd season and have finished 17th, 11th and currently 16th. We’re hardly pulling up trees. Spurs on the other hand haven’t finished outside the top 7 for 12 years.
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 08:07:21 AM
Sacking Smith without a clear strategy for what we do next is irresponsible, dumb and pointless. If there was a strategy and that strategy was to bring in an unproven manager who happens to be a mate of Purslow then it's a huge risk to take. If it does turn out to be a huge mistake Mr Purslow will exit the club with his mate Stevie G and they'll both walk away with a handsome pay off but I guess that's my cynical side talking. NWSE have been great until now and I'm hoping that they can pull a rabbit out of the bag and surprise us all. Surely they aren't about to allow Christian Purslow to roll the dice and gamble away all their hard work and derail their long term goals and ambitions for the club?This makes the point better than my angry ranting.
Still, steven bloody gerrard
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 08:14:52 AM
I'm worried that we might not have our Villa back if we appoint Gerrard.
I've no doubt he'll say he loved Villa Park, massive club etc but the reality is he'll be using us as a stepping stone to another club. Which fucks me off.
I thought having “our Villa back” was more linked to owners than any head coach? I’m not sure what “having our Villa back” means. We haven’t got Villa back if SG is head coach, but we did with Dean? Is it because Dean is a Villa fan, or a head coach some people like?
That's a good question. For me what I think it means is:
- Having managers and players that don't just see Villa as a stepping stone to the Sky Six
- Having a club that makes good decisions that form part of a coherent strategy
- Having people talk about Villa doing well - rather than framing the whole conversation
- Achieving so much in the last 3 years that we can consider as attractive enough jobs to get a top managerial name
- Not being content with making up the numbers anymore
Post by: john e on November 09, 2021, 08:18:56 AM
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 08:20:01 AM
Look at the list if managers who were on the list for Tottenham, then for Norwich then us and tell me statuswise who we are nearer to.Exactly
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 08:30:39 AM
Fonseca has a decent record at a few different clubs including in a big league.
Favre has a longcrecord if good football development of youth players and reasonable success.
Gerrard has 1 trophy in 3 seasons in a 2 horse race, has his own fans questioning the style of play and comes across as very much relying on his reputation as a player.
No comparison between the three comes out with Gerrard on top other than his playing career.
But all of those are unknown quantities. Someone clever should be able to find me the Remi Garde thread on here where I’m fairly certainly some would have spoken highly about his 50% win record at Lyon and his cup win.
There’s no way on this planet we should write off anyone that sits in that dugout. You can’t possibly know how working with better players in a league he knows might turn out. Some of the comments I’m reading are a bordering on the offensive to someone yet to walk through the door. I really hope, if he does come, we see a few eggs on faces come May
You're quite right - we'll get behind anyone in the dugout.
I think the "you cant possibly know..." is a big part of the issue - we can't. He has never managed players of the quality we have, he has never managed against a team of the quality of Spurs, let alone Man City.
It just feels this appointment is pivotal for so many reasons. We were on a clear progress path that has stalled, if we do not fix that we will lose Watkins, Emi, and Konsa.
Worse case, we could go down. Though I think that is unlikely whoever is our manager
It also feels like this is a key time to make a statement and punch above our weight and prove we are serious about what we want to achieve.
This to me feels like us accepting our place again
I really hope he is a success, but if he is it will be more by luck than judgement
Post by: PeterWithe on November 09, 2021, 08:34:38 AM
Dean Smith had never managed in the Premier league, never had the pressure of managing a big club, but virtually everyone welcomed him with open arms. Was it because he was a Villa fan?
I don’t think it was, I can’t bring to mind posts advocating we get him on that basis, in fact he probably wasn’t the outstanding choice at the time. He certainly got a lot of goodwill and patience once he was here though, probably because of his background.
Once announced he was welcomed because he’d overachieved at Brentford, done well despite having to constantly sell his better players to make ends meet yet still kept them competitive, and played us off the park whenever we met. He looked a progressive appointment after Bruce. And it was a great appointment.
Whereas Lambert, appointed for the same reasons, wasn’t.
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2021, 08:37:26 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on November 09, 2021, 08:38:47 AM
Overall, I think there's a chance Gerrard could do well. He has a highly regarded coach in his backroom team and he seems to have Rangers playing decent football (I know, I know, I'm clutching here). I don't think he's particularly qualified for the job, but maybe we've sounded out the likes of Ten Hag and been pushed back?
It does feel like a lazy appointment to me and I think we should be more ambitious. But it may not be a disaster, top managers have to start somewhere and we may get lucky. The Liverpool thing doesn't bother really nor does his association with Rangers. He may also be more of a draw for attracting players than some other names suggested.
Overall I'd be dissapointed but still a little excited to see what we can do. If we do appoint him them I'm all in and 100% behind him. And if people want to call him Stevie G, who fucking cares if he gets us playing some decent football and up the league?
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2021, 08:39:11 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on November 09, 2021, 08:42:20 AM
Everything about gerrard is wrong and I worry again for AVFC if purslow thinks otherwise.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 09, 2021, 08:44:28 AM
I don't see the equivalence with McLiesh. Being relegated at Small Heath in your previous gig is an appalling measure what makes you good enough to manage us.I'm not making an equivalence, just recalling when the club seemingly listened to fan opinion and turned up with an even worse option.
Post by: London Villan on November 09, 2021, 08:44:33 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on November 09, 2021, 08:46:56 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 08:47:14 AM
I am not advocating that we should go for fat Frank but surely Lanpard with, a track record of introducing young players, experience of managing in the Premier League, including earning a Champions league place with that young team and then, signing players that formed the basis of the team that Tuchel won the Champions league with would be the better option. The only thing he doesn't have is being Purslows mate.
And before you shout me down please read again I am NOT advocating Lampard just making a comparison
If your failing with players of chelseas calibre you simply are not a good manager. That chelsea team was awful under Lampard.
Lampard would be worse than Gerrard in my opinion
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 08:49:24 AM
Percy said the list would be.
This isn’t ambitious
This isn’t we’ll thought out
This is taking a huge gamble when we don’t need to
This says to me the Dream of becoming an elite club is just CP bullshit
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2021, 08:54:05 AM
I don't see the equivalence with McLiesh. Being relegated at Small Heath in your previous gig is an appalling measure what makes you good enough to manage us.
For me the equivalence is how many fans are against them from the start. McLeish was never accepted by a big chunk of the fanbase and I think Gerrard would have the same problem.
Post by: aev on November 09, 2021, 08:56:58 AM
I don't see the equivalence with McLiesh. Being relegated at Small Heath in your previous gig is an appalling measure what makes you good enough to manage us.
For me the equivalence is how many fans are against them from the start. McLeish was never accepted by a big chunk of the fanbase and I think Gerrard would have the same problem.
Maybe, but I am not sure this place is representative of all fans.
Post by: Ian. on November 09, 2021, 09:00:07 AM
Whoever we get is no guarantee.
I must admit the only nagging feeling I have with Gerrard is the circus with the Liverpool connection.
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2021, 09:00:17 AM
I don't see the equivalence with McLiesh. Being relegated at Small Heath in your previous gig is an appalling measure what makes you good enough to manage us.
For me the equivalence is how many fans are against them from the start. McLeish was never accepted by a big chunk of the fanbase and I think Gerrard would have the same problem.
Maybe, but I am not sure this place is representative of all fans.
Not just here, almost everywhere you look the concensus is that he's a bad choice, for a number of reasons.
Post by: aev on November 09, 2021, 09:04:00 AM
I don't see the equivalence with McLiesh. Being relegated at Small Heath in your previous gig is an appalling measure what makes you good enough to manage us.
For me the equivalence is how many fans are against them from the start. McLeish was never accepted by a big chunk of the fanbase and I think Gerrard would have the same problem.
Maybe, but I am not sure this place is representative of all fans.
Not just here, almost everywhere you look the concensus is that he's a bad choice, for a number of reasons.
I have seen plenty of support for him on social media, and listened to various phone ins that have been positive.
Post by: Dick Edwards on November 09, 2021, 09:08:24 AM
Of all the shortlist names I'd prefer Graham Potter from Brighton. He's done a brilliant job there and with the bonus he's also got Villa in his heart. I'd rather take a punt on John Terry ahead of the others but ta new manager who would interest me most is Scott Parker. He comes across as smart, hungry to succeed and tactically astute.
Post by: andyh on November 09, 2021, 09:17:25 AM
As someone pointed out elsewhere our last 7 managers have come from The rags, unemployed, long term unemployed, Hull via unemployed and Brentford.
When you summarise it like that, it’s no wonder we haven’t really kicked on. Our management selection policy is obviously not one of ‘daring-do’
It seems to me like we are at a crossroads where we continue to go down the route of ‘safe but uninspiring’ like Lampard, Parker, Potter and Gerrard’ or we take the blinkers off, look at the whole footballing world and make an appointment that has everyone saying ‘how the fuck have Villa got him?’
we’ll probably end up with Gerrard though, and another opportunity of what could have been gone for another few years.
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 09:20:29 AM
I don't see the equivalence with McLiesh. Being relegated at Small Heath in your previous gig is an appalling measure what makes you good enough to manage us.
For me the equivalence is how many fans are against them from the start. McLeish was never accepted by a big chunk of the fanbase and I think Gerrard would have the same problem.
Maybe, but I am not sure this place is representative of all fans.
Not just here, almost everywhere you look the concensus is that he's a bad choice, for a number of reasons.
He was the top choice on a Twitter poll conducted by the local rag.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 09, 2021, 09:21:10 AM
This isn't true. Gerrard is way ahead on every fan poll I've seen. Unfortunately.I don't see the equivalence with McLiesh. Being relegated at Small Heath in your previous gig is an appalling measure what makes you good enough to manage us.
For me the equivalence is how many fans are against them from the start. McLeish was never accepted by a big chunk of the fanbase and I think Gerrard would have the same problem.
Maybe, but I am not sure this place is representative of all fans.
Not just here, almost everywhere you look the concensus is that he's a bad choice, for a number of reasons.
The reality is sentiment here is very often different to that of more casual fans on the terraces. This may partly be due to an element of 'group think' that happens in any forum (yes I know we have diverse opinions) and maybe because it's possible that people who spend hours debating on forums take a more considered view than more casual fans. It's easy for someone to get swept along in the 'unbeaten Stevie G' hype without looking deeeper into the merits of the appointment.
Post by: Big Ming on November 09, 2021, 09:22:09 AM
Post by: Dr Butler on November 09, 2021, 09:22:57 AM
I suppose Rafa isn't pulling up any trees at Everton, nor did Ancelotti and Koeman. That's some big names. Mourinho has pretty much failed everywhere since he made his name, the much fabled Bielsa isn't making Leeds much better than last season.
Whoever we get is no guarantee.
I must admit the only nagging feeling I have with Gerrard is the circus with the Liverpool connection.
I agree about the Liverpoo thing, but if Gerrard does get the Villa job and eventually goes to Anfield then he will have done very well for us.
UTV
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Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 09:28:11 AM
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 09:28:43 AM
Yeah - I think it's that tragic thing of everyone will be telling us what a good appointment it is and how lucky we are to have someone that is a Liverpool legend.This isn't true. Gerrard is way ahead on every fan poll I've seen. Unfortunately.I don't see the equivalence with McLiesh. Being relegated at Small Heath in your previous gig is an appalling measure what makes you good enough to manage us.
For me the equivalence is how many fans are against them from the start. McLeish was never accepted by a big chunk of the fanbase and I think Gerrard would have the same problem.
Maybe, but I am not sure this place is representative of all fans.
Not just here, almost everywhere you look the concensus is that he's a bad choice, for a number of reasons.
The reality is sentiment here is very often different to that of more casual fans on the terraces. This may partly be due to an element of 'group think' that happens in any forum (yes I know we have diverse opinions) and maybe because it's possible that people who spend hours debating on forums take a more considered view than more casual fans. It's easy for someone to get swept along in the 'unbeaten Stevie G' hype without looking deeeper into the merits of the appointment.
It fits a narrative that most people follow. I like to think it that we're more decerning in our thoughts - but it's probably just were miserable.
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 09:29:00 AM
Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllierMaybe that's why
Post by: boozey182 on November 09, 2021, 09:29:18 AM
The point for me is we’re meant to be ambitious.
Percy said the list would be.
This isn’t ambitious
This isn’t we’ll thought out
This is taking a huge gamble when we don’t need to
This says to me the Dream of becoming an elite club is just CP bullshit
I think that is what is most deflating about these rumours (and let's hope there's no more to it than that).
Dean got us up and kept us up. We're supposed to now be the most attractive vacancy in the world, with wealthy, ambitious owners, an underachieving squad, the best academy in the county and world class facilities.
Even the people that want (or at least would tolerate) Gerrard can surely not spin this as an ambitious move? He's hardly a coup, he's not sought after by anyone else and his reputation comes from his days as a player. If he turned up managing a team in the Championship, would anybody be shocked? That seems like the most natural next step from where he is.
It's not ambitious, it's easy. It will get attention, but in the most shallow way.
Let's hope he's just one of a few options, or even better, just a red herring that the club have leaked.
Post by: darren woolley on November 09, 2021, 09:29:21 AM
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2021, 09:30:42 AM
I don't see the equivalence with McLiesh. Being relegated at Small Heath in your previous gig is an appalling measure what makes you good enough to manage us.
For me the equivalence is how many fans are against them from the start. McLeish was never accepted by a big chunk of the fanbase and I think Gerrard would have the same problem.
Maybe, but I am not sure this place is representative of all fans.
Not just here, almost everywhere you look the concensus is that he's a bad choice, for a number of reasons.
He was the top choice on a Twitter poll conducted by the local rag.
I'll change it to divisive then, there's loads of comments everywhere about why he'd be a bad choice. There are more starstruck fans than I'd noticed though.
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 09:31:23 AM
Put much better than my angry bulleted listThe point for me is we’re meant to be ambitious.
Percy said the list would be.
This isn’t ambitious
This isn’t we’ll thought out
This is taking a huge gamble when we don’t need to
This says to me the Dream of becoming an elite club is just CP bullshit
I think that is what is most deflating about these rumours (and let's hope there's no more to it than that).
Dean got us up and kept us up. We're supposed to now be the most attractive vacancy in the world, with wealthy, ambitious owners, an underachieving squad, the best academy in the county and world class facilities.
Even the people that want (or at least would tolerate) Gerrard can surely not spin this as an ambitious move? He's hardly a coup, he's not sought after by anyone else and his reputation comes from his days as a player. If he turned up managing a team in the Championship, would anybody be shocked? That seems like the most natural next step from where he is.
It's not ambitious, it's easy. It will get attention, but in the most shallow way.
Let's hope he's just one of a few options, or even better, just a red herring that the club have leaked.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 09, 2021, 09:31:44 AM
Its not surprising that Stevie Me is leading in the Polls.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 09, 2021, 09:31:50 AM
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2021, 09:32:53 AM
Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllier
Answered your own question there.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 09, 2021, 09:33:40 AM
I suppose Rafa isn't pulling up any trees at Everton, nor did Ancelotti and Koeman. That's some big names. Mourinho has pretty much failed everywhere since he made his name, the much fabled Bielsa isn't making Leeds much better than last season.
Whoever we get is no guarantee.
I think this is a great point, Ian. It's a gamble really and quite impossible to predict the outcome with anything like certainty - young or old, experienced or not.
Post by: The Edge on November 09, 2021, 09:35:23 AM
True enough but the circumstances are completely different. We were asking Dean to stabilise the club in the championship. He did that and much more. He earned the right to manage his boyhood club in the PL and for my money came damn close to making us the club that the owners had stated they would make us when he had us within touching distance of the very top albeit fleetingly. There's just no comparison in bringing in Gerrard. He has not earned the right to manage one of Englands major clubs. And I can't agree with others who are comfortable with him using us as a stepping stone to Anfield. I can't accept that for one moment. Dean's dream was to take his club Aston Villa to greatness then probably retire upstairs to enjoy watching us win things.I don't get this concern over Villa being used as a stepping stone.
Anyone, player or manager will attract interest if they perform well as has always been the case so why worry?
Whoever takes over and is hopefully successful will get noticed by the next level of team. Its the way its always been.
Exactly! Gerrard would have to make us into a top 6 club for Liverpool to be interested in him. And if he did do that and left, we’d be able to attract an elite manager as Spurs have done.
Appointing a scouser to manage Villa would just be a hard pill to swallow. But that’s a personal issue.
The bigger issue for me is why Gerrard the manager? He is an untested quantity at the PL level, he has limited experience as a manager full stop, he has not yet shown he can handle the pressure commensurate with a club like Villa - basically it would be another Lambert like appointment (he had done well at Norwich etc) and IMO would be a disaster. Rangers are a big club in a tin pot league - success there at best is akin to success in the Championship.
I just don’t get the appeal.
Surely to god, we have higher ambition.
Dean Smith had never managed in the Premier league, never had the pressure of managing a big club, but virtually everyone welcomed him with open arms. Was it because he was a Villa fan? Dean had never got a team promoted and his highest finish was 11th. That appointment turned out ok. I am not saying that I want SG as manager / head coach, but some of the things I read are strange considering we took a gamble on (at the time) a mid championship manager.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on November 09, 2021, 09:38:17 AM
Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllier
And Venglos before that, but three of them were dreadful and one mediocre, sadly. It does seem to be a bit of a curse.
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2021, 09:41:36 AM
Moyes is a busted flush after the Man United experience, struggles with Sunderland, toils with West Ham first time, flops abroad. And now looks like Moyes of Everton vintage again. How?
Mourinho, one of the greats. Does well at Chelsea for a 2nd time, reasonably well at Man United, flops badly at Spurs.
As has been pointed out, you think you lessen your chances of risk by getting what appears to be the best quality. But unless you're picking managers off the very, very top shelf, how do you guarantee it?
I don't know if Gerrard will be any good. He has some qualities and he has some doubts. I could care less about Liverpool or what people think somebody else did 10 years ago and how thats in anyway relevant. He's a gamble, a big one. But to be honest, I've not come across a name who isn't.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 09, 2021, 09:41:52 AM
Maybe, but I am not sure this place is representative of all fans.
Not just here, almost everywhere you look the concensus is that he's a bad choice, for a number of reasons.
He was the top choice on a Twitter poll conducted by the local rag.
Mustn't have been manipulated like the one on here. ;)
Stevie G wouldn't have been my first (or last) choice but if he's the board's then get him in. Really don't want to go down a list of managers turning us down and become a laughing stock like Spurs did in the summer. Like Nuno it would fatally undermine the person who eventually comes in.
Post by: caster troy on November 09, 2021, 09:44:12 AM
Post by: Rigadon on November 09, 2021, 09:45:17 AM
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 09:45:40 AM
There's no alchemy to management. Right place, right face, right time is as good as it gets.
Moyes is a busted flush after the Man United experience, struggles with Sunderland, toils with West Ham first time, flops abroad. And now looks like Moyes of Everton vintage again. How?
Mourinho, one of the greats. Does well at Chelsea for a 2nd time, reasonably well at Man United, flops badly at Spurs.
As has been pointed out, you think you lessen your chances of risk by getting what appears to be the best quality. But unless you're picking managers off the very, very top shelf, how do you guarantee it?
I don't know if Gerrard will be any good. He has some qualities and he has some doubts. I could care less about Liverpool or what people think somebody else did 10 years ago and how thats in anyway relevant. He's a gamble, a big one. But to be honest, I've not come across a name who isn't.
They key to it is mostly the strength of the owners at any club, and doing well/being lucky with transfers. I strongly suspect that without Soucek and Rice, Moyes and West Ham would be on a par with us in terms of style of play and results. We lost Grealish, and Smith just couldn't handle not having him.
Post by: simboy on November 09, 2021, 09:48:44 AM
There's no alchemy to management. Right place, right face, right time is as good as it gets.
Moyes is a busted flush after the Man United experience, struggles with Sunderland, toils with West Ham first time, flops abroad. And now looks like Moyes of Everton vintage again. How?
Mourinho, one of the greats. Does well at Chelsea for a 2nd time, reasonably well at Man United, flops badly at Spurs.
As has been pointed out, you think you lessen your chances of risk by getting what appears to be the best quality. But unless you're picking managers off the very, very top shelf, how do you guarantee it?
I don't know if Gerrard will be any good. He has some qualities and he has some doubts. I could care less about Liverpool or what people think somebody else did 10 years ago and how thats in anyway relevant. He's a gamble, a big one. But to be honest, I've not come across a name who isn't.
They key to it is mostly the strength of the owners at any club, and doing well/being lucky with transfers. I strongly suspect that without Soucek and Rice, Moyes and West Ham would be on a par with us in terms of style of play and results. We lost Grealish, and Smith just couldn't handle not having him.
I suspect Moyes would be given longer than 11 games to prove he could cope without Rice though?
Post by: chrisw1 on November 09, 2021, 09:52:21 AM
Gerrard
Martinez
Kasper Hjulmand
Hasenhuttl
Then we should be sacking whichever fucker came up with it.
Post by: AV82EC on November 09, 2021, 09:52:48 AM
There's no alchemy to management. Right place, right face, right time is as good as it gets.
Moyes is a busted flush after the Man United experience, struggles with Sunderland, toils with West Ham first time, flops abroad. And now looks like Moyes of Everton vintage again. How?
Mourinho, one of the greats. Does well at Chelsea for a 2nd time, reasonably well at Man United, flops badly at Spurs.
As has been pointed out, you think you lessen your chances of risk by getting what appears to be the best quality. But unless you're picking managers off the very, very top shelf, how do you guarantee it?
I don't know if Gerrard will be any good. He has some qualities and he has some doubts. I could care less about Liverpool or what people think somebody else did 10 years ago and how thats in anyway relevant. He's a gamble, a big one. But to be honest, I've not come across a name who isn't.
I’d add though that you can minimise the risk, not completely, by looking at data and past performance to give some clues. That said the fit with our culture as a club is very important and one area where they’ll miss Dean as he’s been a big driver in that for the last few years.
Post by: andyh on November 09, 2021, 09:53:38 AM
Are you only talking about the 11 games this season, and not the ones missed from previous years ?There's no alchemy to management. Right place, right face, right time is as good as it gets.
Moyes is a busted flush after the Man United experience, struggles with Sunderland, toils with West Ham first time, flops abroad. And now looks like Moyes of Everton vintage again. How?
Mourinho, one of the greats. Does well at Chelsea for a 2nd time, reasonably well at Man United, flops badly at Spurs.
As has been pointed out, you think you lessen your chances of risk by getting what appears to be the best quality. But unless you're picking managers off the very, very top shelf, how do you guarantee it?
I don't know if Gerrard will be any good. He has some qualities and he has some doubts. I could care less about Liverpool or what people think somebody else did 10 years ago and how thats in anyway relevant. He's a gamble, a big one. But to be honest, I've not come across a name who isn't.
They key to it is mostly the strength of the owners at any club, and doing well/being lucky with transfers. I strongly suspect that without Soucek and Rice, Moyes and West Ham would be on a par with us in terms of style of play and results. We lost Grealish, and Smith just couldn't handle not having him.
I suspect Moyes would be given longer than 11 games to prove he could cope without Rice though?
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 09:54:31 AM
There's no alchemy to management. Right place, right face, right time is as good as it gets.
Moyes is a busted flush after the Man United experience, struggles with Sunderland, toils with West Ham first time, flops abroad. And now looks like Moyes of Everton vintage again. How?
Mourinho, one of the greats. Does well at Chelsea for a 2nd time, reasonably well at Man United, flops badly at Spurs.
As has been pointed out, you think you lessen your chances of risk by getting what appears to be the best quality. But unless you're picking managers off the very, very top shelf, how do you guarantee it?
I don't know if Gerrard will be any good. He has some qualities and he has some doubts. I could care less about Liverpool or what people think somebody else did 10 years ago and how thats in anyway relevant. He's a gamble, a big one. But to be honest, I've not come across a name who isn't.
They key to it is mostly the strength of the owners at any club, and doing well/being lucky with transfers. I strongly suspect that without Soucek and Rice, Moyes and West Ham would be on a par with us in terms of style of play and results. We lost Grealish, and Smith just couldn't handle not having him.
I suspect Moyes would be given longer than 11 games to prove he could cope without Rice though?
Smith had 40 games without Grealish and we won 9 of them.
Post by: mr woo on November 09, 2021, 09:54:58 AM
Smacks of a 'jobs for the boys' decision from a CEO to one of his mates rather than the right one, and I'd be reasonably confident it won't work.
Another wasted opportunity to push on if it happens..
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2021, 09:55:09 AM
There's no alchemy to management. Right place, right face, right time is as good as it gets.
Moyes is a busted flush after the Man United experience, struggles with Sunderland, toils with West Ham first time, flops abroad. And now looks like Moyes of Everton vintage again. How?
Mourinho, one of the greats. Does well at Chelsea for a 2nd time, reasonably well at Man United, flops badly at Spurs.
As has been pointed out, you think you lessen your chances of risk by getting what appears to be the best quality. But unless you're picking managers off the very, very top shelf, how do you guarantee it?
I don't know if Gerrard will be any good. He has some qualities and he has some doubts. I could care less about Liverpool or what people think somebody else did 10 years ago and how thats in anyway relevant. He's a gamble, a big one. But to be honest, I've not come across a name who isn't.
They key to it is mostly the strength of the owners at any club, and doing well/being lucky with transfers. I strongly suspect that without Soucek and Rice, Moyes and West Ham would be on a par with us in terms of style of play and results. We lost Grealish, and Smith just couldn't handle not having him.
You're probably right, but that's right place/right time. And in fairness, Rice has come on a lot under his watch and he bought the other bloke.
Post by: andyh on November 09, 2021, 09:55:21 AM
If the shortlist is truly:It is slightly better than a previous shortlist that had Mcleish on it!
Gerrard
Martinez
Kasper Hjulmand
Hasenhuttl
Then we should be sacking whichever fucker came up with it.
Now that really was a fucker who really needed sacking.
Post by: brontebilly on November 09, 2021, 09:56:41 AM
Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllier
Unfortunately...DOL and MON weren't Brits either...an honorary Brit in the case of MON (MBE/OBE!)
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2021, 09:59:45 AM
Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllier
O'Leary and MO'N
*beaten to it!
Post by: simboy on November 09, 2021, 10:01:29 AM
There's no alchemy to management. Right place, right face, right time is as good as it gets.
Moyes is a busted flush after the Man United experience, struggles with Sunderland, toils with West Ham first time, flops abroad. And now looks like Moyes of Everton vintage again. How?
Mourinho, one of the greats. Does well at Chelsea for a 2nd time, reasonably well at Man United, flops badly at Spurs.
As has been pointed out, you think you lessen your chances of risk by getting what appears to be the best quality. But unless you're picking managers off the very, very top shelf, how do you guarantee it?
I don't know if Gerrard will be any good. He has some qualities and he has some doubts. I could care less about Liverpool or what people think somebody else did 10 years ago and how thats in anyway relevant. He's a gamble, a big one. But to be honest, I've not come across a name who isn't.
Gerrard, of all the candidates mentioned in the press, is the least tested. That's what really concerns me about his possible appointment. If appointed I hope he does really well [obviously] but he really is the massive 33/1 shot for the National having had a good run first time out at Musselburgh.
I can see Martinez wanting to come back to Premier league football, he did ok at Everton and Swansea with a cup win at Wigan. He knows the league and plays nice football. Gerard has looked after a youth team at Liverpool for five minutes and got a job at Rangers. It has not been all sweetness and light up there for him with resources that dwarf everyone else ... except Celtic.
None of the prospects fill me with much enthusiasm if i am honest, least of all the front runner Gerrard.
However, I don't have to make the decisions, or get a massive pay off to waltz into the sunset when it all goes horribly wrong. I just turn up each week hoping for better. than the week before
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 10:01:42 AM
Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllier
But then i give you mcleish, Lambert and sherwood!
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 10:03:19 AM
If the shortlist is truly:It is slightly better than a previous shortlist that had Mcleish on it!
Gerrard
Martinez
Kasper Hjulmand
Hasenhuttl
Then we should be sacking whichever fucker came up with it.
Now that really was a fucker who really needed sacking.
Imagine what he could achieve with Randy's backing!
Sorry, bad flashback.
Post by: cannock villa on November 09, 2021, 10:04:25 AM
Maybe they should appoint 3 managers to replace Dean?Like what you did there
Post by: simboy on November 09, 2021, 10:04:34 AM
There's no alchemy to management. Right place, right face, right time is as good as it gets.
Moyes is a busted flush after the Man United experience, struggles with Sunderland, toils with West Ham first time, flops abroad. And now looks like Moyes of Everton vintage again. How?
Mourinho, one of the greats. Does well at Chelsea for a 2nd time, reasonably well at Man United, flops badly at Spurs.
As has been pointed out, you think you lessen your chances of risk by getting what appears to be the best quality. But unless you're picking managers off the very, very top shelf, how do you guarantee it?
I don't know if Gerrard will be any good. He has some qualities and he has some doubts. I could care less about Liverpool or what people think somebody else did 10 years ago and how thats in anyway relevant. He's a gamble, a big one. But to be honest, I've not come across a name who isn't.
They key to it is mostly the strength of the owners at any club, and doing well/being lucky with transfers. I strongly suspect that without Soucek and Rice, Moyes and West Ham would be on a par with us in terms of style of play and results. We lost Grealish, and Smith just couldn't handle not having him.
I suspect Moyes would be given longer than 11 games to prove he could cope without Rice though?
Smith had 40 games without Grealish and we won 9 of them.
He had 11 without him in the squad. There's a massive difference of not being able to use a player because he's injured against not being able to use a player because he's been sold. There's a differing mentality, a need to restructure for the long term. Out injured they still played the same way. Sold, they need to rebuild how they play over all.
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2021, 10:07:09 AM
The later stat is probably as much down to the opposition as anything else.
I use the * as that is the bit that intrigues. Deano could never solve the issue of sides playing through us, whatever the level we were always way, way too open. Friday night first half it was embarrassing. It is interesting to note that Gerrard or his coaching staff, at least think its a bad thing given its our huge weakness.
There was more.
Two central midfielders push on to add triangles with the wingers and full backs, so it becomes a 343, with widemen coming inside to make over loads in a number of positions at inside forward or outwide at once.
Which is basically, well not basically, exactly how Liverpool play.
Post by: ozzjim on November 09, 2021, 10:11:50 AM
Targett might be in trouble though. And we'll buy a well drilled holding midfielder in Jan for sure. The double pivot 6 I expect will become a feature away from home most weeks.
Post by: Monty on November 09, 2021, 10:18:32 AM
Post by: not3bad on November 09, 2021, 10:20:49 AM
CouldN'T care less, ADS. CouldN'T. Shaking my head here.
Thank you.
Post by: The Edge on November 09, 2021, 10:21:06 AM
Post by: Grumpy on November 09, 2021, 10:22:39 AM
Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllier
Unfortunately...DOL and MON weren't Brits either...an honorary Brit in the case of MON (MBE/OBE!)
I haven’t logged on for years and never post BUT M’ON is from NI. So is British… but that’s a debate for another time!
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 10:23:04 AM
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2021, 10:24:43 AM
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 10:25:09 AM
I've been reading articles written by former playmates of Stevie G. (Chris Sutton, Danny Murphy, Charlie Nicholas) amongst others. Almost to a man they dismiss us as not big enough to tempt him away from a massive club like Rangers. Murphy: "there's only so much he can achieve at Villa. The ceiling is too low for him" Nicholas: "there's a massive rebuilding job to be done there. Stevie needs a ready made squad" I could go on. My point is we're being belittled and laughed off in public by these I'll informed tossers and it's starting to boil my piss. Thanks a lot Purslow.
Is that not even bigger reason for wanting him?
As for massive rebuilding job - is there bollocks. Add a proper midfield player to this squad and perhaps an upgrade on Targett and we have a very good squad
Post by: villabear on November 09, 2021, 10:25:38 AM
I don't think he'll be too bad, I really don't. I think he'll command respect of the dressing room, and some players will really thrive under him.
Targett might be in trouble though. And we'll buy a well drilled holding midfielder in Jan for sure. The double pivot 6 I expect will become a feature away from home most weeks.
Double pivot. I’m expecting the words project and XG any minute.
Post by: The Edge on November 09, 2021, 10:27:06 AM
Agreed .That's why I called them ill informed tossers.I've been reading articles written by former playmates of Stevie G. (Chris Sutton, Danny Murphy, Charlie Nicholas) amongst others. Almost to a man they dismiss us as not big enough to tempt him away from a massive club like Rangers. Murphy: "there's only so much he can achieve at Villa. The ceiling is too low for him" Nicholas: "there's a massive rebuilding job to be done there. Stevie needs a ready made squad" I could go on. My point is we're being belittled and laughed off in public by these I'll informed tossers and it's starting to boil my piss. Thanks a lot Purslow.
Is that not even bigger reason for wanting him?
As for massive rebuilding job - is there bollocks. Add a proper midfield player to this squad and perhaps an upgrade on Targett and we have a very good squad
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 09, 2021, 10:28:18 AM
I have to admit that part of me wants Gerrard to take it on just to piss Danny Murphy off.I've been reading articles written by former playmates of Stevie G. (Chris Sutton, Danny Murphy, Charlie Nicholas) amongst others. Almost to a man they dismiss us as not big enough to tempt him away from a massive club like Rangers. Murphy: "there's only so much he can achieve at Villa. The ceiling is too low for him" Nicholas: "there's a massive rebuilding job to be done there. Stevie needs a ready made squad" I could go on. My point is we're being belittled and laughed off in public by these I'll informed tossers and it's starting to boil my piss. Thanks a lot Purslow.
Is that not even bigger reason for wanting him?
As for massive rebuilding job - is there bollocks. Add a proper midfield player to this squad and perhaps an upgrade on Targett and we have a very good squad
Post by: nuninho on November 09, 2021, 10:30:09 AM
We unfortunately aren't in a position to get a Conte or a Klopp, we don't have that draw. Aston Villa brutally I am afraid is a mid table club in the eyes of the nation despite what we think. Maybe with Gerrard that may help bring that media profile up and therefore allow us to attract the next step of players we couldn't have previously recruited.
Post by: UK Redsox on November 09, 2021, 10:30:16 AM
*scurries off in a zig-zag course to avoid attack*
;) :)
Post by: sickbeggar on November 09, 2021, 10:30:43 AM
I don't think he'll be too bad, I really don't. I think he'll command respect of the dressing room, and some players will really thrive under him.
Targett might be in trouble though. And we'll buy a well drilled holding midfielder in Jan for sure. The double pivot 6 I expect will become a feature away from home most weeks.
Think a lot are going to be out on their ears. I can't imagine he'd come here with a remit of make do and mend past this season.
Post by: Rory on November 09, 2021, 10:30:57 AM
We shouldn’t write off any* manager off before they’ve even walked through the door.
There’s a selection of the fan base that continue to have the temerity to write people off before they’ve had chance to prove themselves. Those that scoff at what Gerrard has achieved had absolutely no problem welcoming Dean Smith with open arms despite having never finished above 11th in the Championship.
Those that claim they dislike the Liverpool connection will be the same people that will foam at the mouth when Grealish doesn’t clap the Holte end when he reappears in November. It’s blinkered, it’s weird, it’s not what we should be about. I get people have opinions and that’s what makes reading and participating in fan forums good but please let’s just get behind whoever is appointed.
FWIW I think Gerrard is a winner, he commands respect, he would bring with him a top class coaching set up and, if it happens, we should get right fucking behind him.
*everyone except Sam Allardyce
For a winner he hasn't, y'know, won much.
With Liverpool - FA cup (x2), Football League Cup (x3), FA Charity Shield, European Cup, UEFA Cup, European Super Cup
But apart from that…what have the Romans done for us?
And since 1996 we have won…what exactly?
Nice to see people siding with a manager we don't even have yet over the club.
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 10:34:13 AM
Thinking if it is Gerrard what sort of short term draw that would provide to the recruitment of players? We saw in the summer attempts to get Ward-Prowse and Smith Rowe without much success. If the draw is being able to work under someone who was a world class midfielder then perhaps it may help us make that step up.Think the issue was more the sub-standard and embarrassing offers we made for their players that was the issue
We unfortunately aren't in a position to get a Conte or a Klopp, we don't have that draw. Aston Villa brutally I am afraid is a mid table club in the eyes of the nation despite what we think. Maybe with Gerrard that may help bring that media profile up and therefore allow us to attract the next step of players we couldn't have previously recruited.
Post by: Villan82 on November 09, 2021, 10:34:18 AM
Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllier
Villa's a great club and very traditional. This is a strength but at times it is a weakness- especially with why we sort of have fallen behind since the likes of Wenger, rocked up at Arsenal in the mid 90s. When we have gone continental it hasn't worked out. I remember the 'frog' comments with Houllier and Garde and that dreadful secret santa video in 2015. You only have to look at some of the Scottish stuff too with McLeish and Lambert (even in this thread above somebody says he doesn't want a Scott as manager!). Why should it matter where a manager is from? Judge people on their CV/competency not where they are from
Post by: Monty on November 09, 2021, 10:35:38 AM
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 10:36:55 AM
Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllier
Villa's a great club and very traditional. This is a strength but at times it is a weakness- especially with why we sort of have fallen behind since the likes of Wenger, rocked up at Arsenal in the mid 90s. When we have gone continental it hasn't worked out. I remember the 'frog' comments with Houllier and Garde and that dreadful secret santa video in 2015. You only have to look at some of the Scottish stuff too with McLeish and Lambert (even in this thread above somebody says he doesn't want a Scott as manager!). Why should it matter where a manager is from? Judge people on their CV/competency not where they are from
To be fair I think the poster above says he doesn't want a manager from the Scottish leagues, rather than not wanting somebody who is Scottish. The inference being that the level is so low there.
Post by: Gareth on November 09, 2021, 10:37:20 AM
Gerrard wouldn’t be my choice but should he take over like all managers (obv not Allardyce or Pulis lol) I will get behind them totally and we move on - my worry with Gerrard is 3/4 games in we play Liverpool and if that turns into a crowd waving love in he will have lost some of our fans very quickly. Add that to playing Man City in the same run and the circus that will be around Jack it’ll be an icky spell.
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2021, 10:39:40 AM
The trouble with judging Gerrard tactically is that the step-up from Scotland to the English top ten is so enormous that you can't make any judgements. He likes to attack in numbers? Well yeah, he's at Rangers, that happens anyway. From what I've seen most of their goals come from some form of working it wide and getting yer crosses in, which really won't hack it in the same way in England. Of course, he'd also have better players.
Don't most goals come from set pieces and crosses. I'm sure I watched Pep beat Yanited on the weekend by putting a square cross and a deep cross into the mixer.
Post by: Villan82 on November 09, 2021, 10:40:42 AM
Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllier
Villa's a great club and very traditional. This is a strength but at times it is a weakness- especially with why we sort of have fallen behind since the likes of Wenger, rocked up at Arsenal in the mid 90s. When we have gone continental it hasn't worked out. I remember the 'frog' comments with Houllier and Garde and that dreadful secret santa video in 2015. You only have to look at some of the Scottish stuff too with McLeish and Lambert (even in this thread above somebody says he doesn't want a Scott as manager!). Why should it matter where a manager is from? Judge people on their CV/competency not where they are from
To be fair I think the poster above says he doesn't want a manager from the Scottish leagues, rather than not wanting somebody who is Scottish. The inference being that the level is so low there.
Yes, true in this case, but you do see a lot of Scottish stuff about McLeish and Lambert- especially the whole 'dour Scott' trope. And now they're projecting Brtishness onto the Irish which always goes well!
Post by: Keeno on November 09, 2021, 10:40:51 AM
There's no alchemy to management. Right place, right face, right time is as good as it gets.
Moyes is a busted flush after the Man United experience, struggles with Sunderland, toils with West Ham first time, flops abroad. And now looks like Moyes of Everton vintage again. How?
Mourinho, one of the greats. Does well at Chelsea for a 2nd time, reasonably well at Man United, flops badly at Spurs.
As has been pointed out, you think you lessen your chances of risk by getting what appears to be the best quality. But unless you're picking managers off the very, very top shelf, how do you guarantee it?
I don't know if Gerrard will be any good. He has some qualities and he has some doubts. I could care less about Liverpool or what people think somebody else did 10 years ago and how thats in anyway relevant. He's a gamble, a big one. But to be honest, I've not come across a name who isn't.
Spot on.
Post by: Monty on November 09, 2021, 10:41:20 AM
The fact is there is no evidence whatsoever that Gerrard deserves to manage the fourth richest club in England, currently in need of a crisis rebuild and a proper football identity imposed on the training pitch. None at all. Other than his name is Steven Gerrard, which I'm sure counts for some.
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 10:41:56 AM
I was one who believed after Friday night that it was time for Dean to go, the team has looked so frail and off the pace particularly the last 3 games that the fear was that continuing into Brighton game would see the crowd turn and Dean 100% wouldn’t have deserved that reaction.
Gerrard wouldn’t be my choice but should he take over like all managers (obv not Allardyce or Pulis lol) I will get behind them totally and we move on - my worry with Gerrard is 3/4 games in we play Liverpool and if that turns into a crowd waving love in he will have lost some of our fans very quickly. Add that to playing Man City in the same run and the circus that will be around Jack it’ll be an icky spell.
He'd obviously get a good reception from the Liverpool fans, but I'd hope he'd be intelligent enough to learn from Houllier's mistakes and leave it at a polite wave to the crowd. "Obviously I played my entire career at Liverpool and so it will always be special to me, but I'm Aston Villa manager now, and I'll be doing my best to get one over on Jurgen at the weekend. There's no room for sentiment in football and I'll be busting a gut to make sure we beat the Scouse twats."
There, not hard!
Post by: sickbeggar on November 09, 2021, 10:43:06 AM
Post by: wince on November 09, 2021, 10:44:31 AM
Post by: Gareth on November 09, 2021, 10:45:03 AM
I was one who believed after Friday night that it was time for Dean to go, the team has looked so frail and off the pace particularly the last 3 games that the fear was that continuing into Brighton game would see the crowd turn and Dean 100% wouldn’t have deserved that reaction.
Gerrard wouldn’t be my choice but should he take over like all managers (obv not Allardyce or Pulis lol) I will get behind them totally and we move on - my worry with Gerrard is 3/4 games in we play Liverpool and if that turns into a crowd waving love in he will have lost some of our fans very quickly. Add that to playing Man City in the same run and the circus that will be around Jack it’ll be an icky spell.
He'd obviously get a good reception from the Liverpool fans, but I'd hope he'd be intelligent enough to learn from Houllier's mistakes and leave it at a polite wave to the crowd. "Obviously I played my entire career at Liverpool and so it will always be special to me, but I'm Aston Villa manager now, and I'll be doing my best to get one over on Jurgen at the weekend. There's no room for sentiment in football and I'll be busting a gut to make sure we beat the Scouse twats."
There, not hard!
Lol
That’s a big leap of faith of someone in football being self aware enough to deal with that situation correctly
Post by: Richard E on November 09, 2021, 10:45:42 AM
I was one who believed after Friday night that it was time for Dean to go, the team has looked so frail and off the pace particularly the last 3 games that the fear was that continuing into Brighton game would see the crowd turn and Dean 100% wouldn’t have deserved that reaction.
Gerrard wouldn’t be my choice but should he take over like all managers (obv not Allardyce or Pulis lol) I will get behind them totally and we move on - my worry with Gerrard is 3/4 games in we play Liverpool and if that turns into a crowd waving love in he will have lost some of our fans very quickly. Add that to playing Man City in the same run and the circus that will be around Jack it’ll be an icky spell.
He'd obviously get a good reception from the Liverpool fans, but I'd hope he'd be intelligent enough to learn from Houllier's mistakes and leave it at a polite wave to the crowd. "Obviously I played my entire career at Liverpool and so it will always be special to me, but I'm Aston Villa manager now, and I'll be doing my best to get one over on Jurgen at the weekend. There's no room for sentiment in football and I'll be busting a gut to make sure we beat the Scouse twats."
There, not hard!
"And if the truth be told I was a boyhood Everton supporter anyway."
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 09, 2021, 10:48:29 AM
Maybe I'm misreading the app but has someone put £500 on Ralf Rangnick on Betfair Exchange? Hopefully someone with inside info!
Am I missing something? Rangnick has retired from management I thought. He's basically a DoF, no?
Post by: Rudy65 on November 09, 2021, 10:48:35 AM
The point for me is we’re meant to be ambitious.
Percy said the list would be.
This isn’t ambitious
This isn’t we’ll thought out
This is taking a huge gamble when we don’t need to
This says to me the Dream of becoming an elite club is just CP bullshit
How do you know who is on the list? Why moan before we even know
Post by: amfy on November 09, 2021, 10:55:04 AM
The difference it would have made is that someone would be working with the team today towards the next fixture. Maybe there’ll be an appointment in the next day or so, & that would still give us 10 days or so for a new manager to begin to work with them, but if it drags on with no one in place, that’s 2 weeks where we could have re-grouped wasted.
If they don’t have someone ready to come in & start working with the team, the timing of the sacking (before the international break) is irrelevant, and any time up to near Christmas would have done just as well. In fact, right now feels like a time of drift because we (incl the players) don’t even have a game to place immediate focus on.
It isn’t a great thing to have been sounding people out behind a current managers back, but I do see other clubs appoint pretty quickly after a sacking.
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 10:57:29 AM
Post by: Monty on November 09, 2021, 10:58:42 AM
Post by: Goldenballs on November 09, 2021, 11:01:12 AM
A couple of games accepting shit results finding strongest team etc, a tough run against top teams, then all of a sudden we're really in the shit.
Post by: villa for life on November 09, 2021, 11:02:20 AM
If they don’t have someone ready to come in & start working with the team, the timing of the sacking (before the international break) is irrelevant, and any time up to near Christmas would have done just as well.
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Not really. Not if he’d lost another 5 games on the trot.
Post by: Rory on November 09, 2021, 11:02:50 AM
If people are already resenting SG for lapping up an Anfield reception that might need even happen I find that rather odd and I bet my entire life savings on the fans of Dean Smiths next club not having an issue with it.
People are apprehensive about the entire footballing world treating Aston Villa as second fiddle and a mere vehicle for the future career ambitions of a man who has thus far achieved very little in management. Nothing more, nothing less.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 09, 2021, 11:03:07 AM
It's very hard to judge anything looking at their squad. It's a different world with loads of free transfers and a "big" signing of 6m. Doesn't seem to play the youth much though.
Yeah I think they've got some RB called Tavernier who basically was squad player at likes of Wigan down here and he scored 20 a season or something.
Get the feeling he'd also want to spunk 20m + on that Morelos guy who we were linked with about 18 months back.
We have good players here so I'd rather get them all motivated again and just see him sign half the Rangers 11 and then we realise 12 months later they're not good enough for where we want to go.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 09, 2021, 11:04:39 AM
Post by: amfy on November 09, 2021, 11:10:13 AM
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If they don’t have someone ready to come in & start working with the team, the timing of the sacking (before the international break) is irrelevant, and any time up to near Christmas would have done just as well.
Not really. Not if he’d lost another 5 games on the trot.
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There’s no guarantee that would have happened, and no guarantee it won’t happen with the mystery man either.
I wouldn’t have expected him to stay longer than another 2 games if he kept losing, just questioning the wisdom of ‘the international break’ being the key time if no one is coming in, like it was ‘now or never’.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on November 09, 2021, 11:11:07 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 09, 2021, 11:11:53 AM
It's very hard to judge anything looking at their squad. It's a different world with loads of free transfers and a "big" signing of 6m. Doesn't seem to play the youth much though.
Yeah I think they've got some RB called Tavernier who basically was squad player at likes of Wigan down here and he scored 20 a season or something.
Get the feeling he'd also want to spunk 20m + on that Morelos guy who we were linked with about 18 months back.
We have good players here so I'd rather get them all motivated again and just see him sign half the Rangers 11 and then we realise 12 months later they're not good enough for where we want to go.
Aye, can't seem him returning to buy much with the Rangers squad. I thought Defoe had retired! It's an odd one because he's obviously used to having no money so is that his remit if he comes to us to punch above our weight? Hasenhuttl is another one you could class in that category. Or has he been told there's a big war chest to spend?
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2021, 11:12:03 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 09, 2021, 11:13:19 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 09, 2021, 11:13:36 AM
But spurs had already interviewed him so the groundwork was done.The point is why were we not working on the replacement before firing Smith?
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2021, 11:13:42 AM
In order to respond to Risso from the reflection thread where I didn’t want to continue a conversation about the merits of the timing of the sacking.....
The difference it would have made is that someone would be working with the team today towards the next fixture. Maybe there’ll be an appointment in the next day or so, & that would still give us 10 days or so for a new manager to begin to work with them, but if it drags on with no one in place, that’s 2 weeks where we could have re-grouped wasted.
If they don’t have someone ready to come in & start working with the team, the timing of the sacking (before the international break) is irrelevant, and any time up to near Christmas would have done just as well. In fact, right now feels like a time of drift because we (incl the players) don’t even have a game to place immediate focus on.
It isn’t a great thing to have been sounding people out behind a current managers back, but I do see other clubs appoint pretty quickly after a sacking.
The bedding in argument doesn't make sense when you have squads full of international players That doesn't stop the extra week from being useful though, it gives you more time to make a decision and lets some of the backroom team put together data for the new manager, which would be harder if they were focused on an upcoming game.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 11:14:17 AM
Wouldnt that be great?
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2021, 11:14:44 AM
There are cutbacks and there are crosses. Gerrard's Rangers are majority deep crosses and incompetent defending. I know - there's a Youtube video of every goal from their title winning season.
The fact is there is no evidence whatsoever that Gerrard deserves to manage the fourth richest club in England, currently in need of a crisis rebuild and a proper football identity imposed on the training pitch. None at all. Other than his name is Steven Gerrard, which I'm sure counts for some.
Like Man City's 2nd goal?
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 11:14:50 AM
Spurs had already appointed Conte by now, for comparison, after sacking Nuno. We are still apparently working down a list. I really thought they would have had someone lined up, else as Amfy says, the timing is just wasted.
I guess they're thinking in slightly more longer terms than just the Brighton match though. I reckon they'll have somebody in this week. It's Tuesday morning, and we only got the news about Dean on Sunday!
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 09, 2021, 11:15:03 AM
It's would be on another level to Smith or indeed Houllier or DOL. He's Mr Liverpool. Not his fault, but we'd become the scousers 2nd team overnight and conversely hated by everyone else. Marketing man's dream and his first trip back would be wall to wall with articles in the papers along the lines of "I went to Scotland because I couldn't face Managing against Liverpool"
Yeah in ideal world I'd prefer to appoint him (as he's obviously number once choice with the board going from all media reports now) after we play Liverpool away but given our league position I don't think we can afford to wait that long otherwise we'll be firmly in bottom 3 by then.
Post by: Monty on November 09, 2021, 11:15:25 AM
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2021, 11:17:48 AM
Post by: boozey182 on November 09, 2021, 11:20:12 AM
I get the reservation about him as a person.
I get the reservation that he may just be using us a stepping stone to get the job he really wants.
I get the reservation that it's unambitious.
I get the reservation that it's just Purslow fawning over a big name that he's mates with.
All of that though, is ultimately irrelevant though. It's all fluff, which distracts from the main issue:
There is very little evidence that he is any way qualified to manage Aston Villa. If he was, none of the above would matter. If we get this appointment wrong, we could get relegated, so to trust in a man that hasn't achieved very much at all, and has never been tested, is risky almost to the point of negligence.
I understand the argument that it's all about the right time - right place, so there's no way of knowing how it turns out. But doesn't mean it's all just luck anyway? Surely you need some evidence that it will work? Where's Gerrard's?
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2021, 11:21:15 AM
Yes Ads, let's generalise from one goal. Guardiola's style is all about swinging in those deep crosses. Must be why he signed all those big men.
It's not generalising, it's inconvenient factual evidence.
You made a point that Gerrard attacks with crosses, but that this wouldn't work in this league.
I'm making the point that statistically most goals come from crosses or a cross from a set piece.
You say, OK but specific types of crosses, deep ones. Man City's most recent goal, under arguably the best manager in the world, came like this. To a tiny player profiting from a defensive error, as...most goals come from.
Man City have an abundance of wingers. They bought another one recently. They cross the ball a lot from deep at full back or high in square with the defence facing their own goal.
Crosses work.
Post by: The Edge on November 09, 2021, 11:22:23 AM
Perfectly put. And rightly so. I just can not bring myself to accept that Aston Villa could be treated as a stepping stone for anyone for any club in the world. People can think what they want of me for saying that but it's been ingrained in my DNA by generations of my predecessors.If people are already resenting SG for lapping up an Anfield reception that might need even happen I find that rather odd and I bet my entire life savings on the fans of Dean Smiths next club not having an issue with it.
People are apprehensive about the entire footballing world treating Aston Villa as second fiddle and a mere vehicle for the future career ambitions of a man who has thus far achieved very little in management. Nothing more, nothing less.
Post by: Rory on November 09, 2021, 11:25:33 AM
Oh for the days when Aston Villa becomes a vehicle for career aspirations. The last one was Taylor and 31 years ago, before my Villa supporting days had even started.
Obviously all managers have career aspirations, but I think it's fair to say that Aston Villa's performances have not been of secondary importance to how close our manager is to being offered another job. It's the sense of predestination that is the problem.
I'd rather we were the focus, and not the possibility of a man I don't like reuniting with a club I don't like.
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2021, 11:25:58 AM
There are cutbacks and there are crosses. Gerrard's Rangers are majority deep crosses and incompetent defending. I know - there's a Youtube video of every goal from their title winning season.
The fact is there is no evidence whatsoever that Gerrard deserves to manage the fourth richest club in England, currently in need of a crisis rebuild and a proper football identity imposed on the training pitch. None at all. Other than his name is Steven Gerrard, which I'm sure counts for some.
I think you need to add complexity to see why what Gerrard is doing at Rangers isn't particularly impressive. Crossing in a league like the premier league means creating an overload on the wing to create space to pick a cross, it then requires movement in the box (that's been worked on in training) to get an unopposed run at the ball that is delivered into the right area. There's a lot of tactical awareness involved in becoming consistently good at it.
In scotland, and other weaker leagues, the standards are far lower so you can achieve similar results much more 'off the cuff' because chances are defenders will make mistakes and when you're 1 of 2 clubs that have most of the decent players in the league the gulf in quality means you'll just bludgeon teams by having some fairly basic tactics to take advantage of your strengths.
It may be that Gerrard has a brilliant grasp of this and has far more complex tactical options in reserve that he doesn't need to use but there's literally no evidence to show as much.
Compare that to people like Favre, Emery, Fonseca, etc there's footage of their teams doing all of the things you need to do to create chances in the premier league. Maybe you want to dismiss that as better players doing better things but then you create a new argument of them all having experience of handling squads full of players of that standard, Gerrard doesn't have that.
Final point Rangers were humiliated by Malmo in the summer in what was probably the biggest tie Gerrard has managed, that suggests he still has a lot to learn before he's ready to be playing tough games every week rather than a handful of them all year.
Post by: brontebilly on November 09, 2021, 11:28:01 AM
Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllier
Unfortunately...DOL and MON weren't Brits either...an honorary Brit in the case of MON (MBE/OBE!)
I haven’t logged on for years and never post BUT M’ON is from NI. So is British… but that’s a debate for another time!
NI is part of the UK (and I guess EU these days...) not Britannia. Please post more!
Post by: Clampy on November 09, 2021, 11:31:34 AM
Spurs had already appointed Conte by now, for comparison, after sacking Nuno. We are still apparently working down a list. I really thought they would have had someone lined up, else as Amfy says, the timing is just wasted.
Maybe they already have him lined up and out of respect to Smith, they are letting the dust settle before announcing it. There not much evidence of them just working down a list.
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2021, 11:32:18 AM
There are cutbacks and there are crosses. Gerrard's Rangers are majority deep crosses and incompetent defending. I know - there's a Youtube video of every goal from their title winning season.
The fact is there is no evidence whatsoever that Gerrard deserves to manage the fourth richest club in England, currently in need of a crisis rebuild and a proper football identity imposed on the training pitch. None at all. Other than his name is Steven Gerrard, which I'm sure counts for some.
I think you need to add complexity to see why what Gerrard is doing at Rangers isn't particularly impressive. Crossing in a league like the premier league means creating an overload on the wing to create space to pick a cross, it then requires movement in the box (that's been worked on in training) to get an unopposed run at the ball that is delivered into the right area. There's a lot of tactical awareness involved in becoming consistently good at it.
In scotland, and other weaker leagues, the standards are far lower so you can achieve similar results much more 'off the cuff' because chances are defenders will make mistakes and when you're 1 of 2 clubs that have most of the decent players in the league the gulf in quality means you'll just bludgeon teams by having some fairly basic tactics to take advantage of your strengths.
It may be that Gerrard has a brilliant grasp of this and has far more complex tactical options in reserve that he doesn't need to use but there's literally no evidence to show as much.
Compare that to people like Favre, Emery, Fonseca, etc there's footage of their teams doing all of the things you need to do to create chances in the premier league. Maybe you want to dismiss that as better players doing better things but then you create a new argument of them all having experience of handling squads full of players of that standard, Gerrard doesn't have that.
Final point Rangers were humiliated by Malmo in the summer in what was probably the biggest tie Gerrard has managed, that suggests he still has a lot to learn before he's ready to be playing tough games every week rather than a handful of them all year.
Or you rely on rank bad defending like Man City did at the weekend.
I appreciate the point that there's a difference in quality, but ultimately however you frame a cross, you're always playing percentages.
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2021, 11:33:19 AM
There are cutbacks and there are crosses. Gerrard's Rangers are majority deep crosses and incompetent defending. I know - there's a Youtube video of every goal from their title winning season.
The fact is there is no evidence whatsoever that Gerrard deserves to manage the fourth richest club in England, currently in need of a crisis rebuild and a proper football identity imposed on the training pitch. None at all. Other than his name is Steven Gerrard, which I'm sure counts for some.
I think you need to add complexity to see why what Gerrard is doing at Rangers isn't particularly impressive. Crossing in a league like the premier league means creating an overload on the wing to create space to pick a cross, it then requires movement in the box (that's been worked on in training) to get an unopposed run at the ball that is delivered into the right area. There's a lot of tactical awareness involved in becoming consistently good at it.
In scotland, and other weaker leagues, the standards are far lower so you can achieve similar results much more 'off the cuff' because chances are defenders will make mistakes and when you're 1 of 2 clubs that have most of the decent players in the league the gulf in quality means you'll just bludgeon teams by having some fairly basic tactics to take advantage of your strengths.
It may be that Gerrard has a brilliant grasp of this and has far more complex tactical options in reserve that he doesn't need to use but there's literally no evidence to show as much.
Compare that to people like Favre, Emery, Fonseca, etc there's footage of their teams doing all of the things you need to do to create chances in the premier league. Maybe you want to dismiss that as better players doing better things but then you create a new argument of them all having experience of handling squads full of players of that standard, Gerrard doesn't have that.
Final point Rangers were humiliated by Malmo in the summer in what was probably the biggest tie Gerrard has managed, that suggests he still has a lot to learn before he's ready to be playing tough games every week rather than a handful of them all year.
Or you rely on rank bad defending like Man City did at the weekend.
I appreciate the point that there's a difference in quality, but ultimately however you frame a cross, you're always playing percentages.
Of course, but when you've got the best squad in the league by a long way those percentages are stacked in your favour, the same applies to Man City to be fair.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 11:33:41 AM
My own mother has the same status and was half-proud of it.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 09, 2021, 11:33:48 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 11:34:48 AM
Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllier
Unfortunately...DOL and MON weren't Brits either...an honorary Brit in the case of MON (MBE/OBE!)
I haven’t logged on for years and never post BUT M’ON is from NI. So is British… but that’s a debate for another time!
NI is part of the UK (and I guess EU these days...) not Britannia. Please post more!
Beat me to it, you miserable git!
Post by: Legion on November 09, 2021, 11:35:50 AM
Post by: Monty on November 09, 2021, 11:37:17 AM
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2021, 11:37:31 AM
My issue is that let's not pretend we're in rarefied air down here. The quality is much better than Scotland even in the Championship.
But...
Two of the world's most expensively assembled sides played on Saturday in a game decided by a cut back cross from a full back and a deep diagonal cross. It was aided by atrocious defending from Fernandes, Bailey, Shaw and De Guea. Let's not get too snooty about the humble but pernially effective cross.
Post by: Monty on November 09, 2021, 11:38:59 AM
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2021, 11:40:20 AM
It's about style. I watched every Rangers goal from that league season, like I said. I don't think you can rely on that strategy in the league. It's not about the crosses themselves, it's about the type of crosses and the extent to which they rely on poor defending.
But if you've got some Wigan kid doing it who has never played higher than League 1, it sort of cuts both ways. And if it works...why would you do anything else?
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2021, 11:40:32 AM
Average cross conversion rate in the Premier League is one percent. That suggests that the Gerrard style of crosses, from what I've seen, isn't the best strategy.
yep, exactly, tht's because a lot of teams put a lot of aimless crosses into the box. Set Pieces is different but from open play if you don't have tactical ideas to create space for the crosser and in the box you're likely to score from one every 5-6 games at best.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 09, 2021, 11:40:55 AM
Post by: Monty on November 09, 2021, 11:43:02 AM
It's about style. I watched every Rangers goal from that league season, like I said. I don't think you can rely on that strategy in the league. It's not about the crosses themselves, it's about the type of crosses and the extent to which they rely on poor defending.
But if you've got some Wigan kid doing it who has never played higher than League 1, it sort of cuts both ways. And if it works...why would you do anything else?
Quite, which is why my main point is it's impossible really to draw conclusions from his time at Rangers. And given that it's impossible to draw such conclusions, from either his managerial or playing careers, as to why he should take over the fourth or fifth richest club in England at such a time, then what can possibly be the justification for approaching him?
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 11:43:52 AM
✔Winner played and won at highest level
✔huge name in the game
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
✔mccalister knows the club
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
✔passion - no one can question that.
✔can attract massive names to the club
The negatives
❌could use us a stepping stone
❌ no experience in england
❌liverpool wankfest when we play them
Post by: ozzjim on November 09, 2021, 11:46:21 AM
He has managed in Europe a bit, he's had 3 years experience akin to the Championship/league 1 and he's done well enough. He's not going to please many with his appointment, but I think he will suprise a few if he gets his coaching team right.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 09, 2021, 11:48:15 AM
Just depends how well you can drill a squad into it. Moyes got derided years back for a Man. United game when they crossed the ball about 70 times but West Ham nowadays are a very dangerous team from set pieces as they showed v Liverpool.
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 11:49:23 AM
The positives on Gerrard
✔Winner played and won at highest level
✔huge name in the game
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
✔mccalister knows the club
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
✔passion - no one can question that.
✔can attract massive names to the club
The negatives
❌could use us a stepping stone
❌ no experience in england
❌liverpool wankfest when we play them
If Gerrard uses Aston Villa as a 3 year stepping stone he probably leaves us in top 8, knocking on Europe’s door which leaves us in a much more attractive proposition to potential managers than it does today.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 09, 2021, 11:50:24 AM
God help us if he does any good. There will be sporadic fighting breaking out in the back lol
He has managed in Europe a bit, he's had 3 years experience akin to the Championship/league 1 and he's done well enough. He's not going to please many with his appointment, but I think he will suprise a few if he gets his coaching team right.
Agree with this. They've had some good results in Europe for a "pub leaque team" (or some other tired cliché about Scottish football).
Post by: olaftab on November 09, 2021, 11:50:28 AM
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Post by: brontebilly on November 09, 2021, 11:51:12 AM
It's gonna happen int it? Potter probably won't leave mid-season. Hasenhuttl hasn't the stardust. Gary McCallister back ;D
McAllister did a very good job for us in difficult circumstances that time.
Post by: john e on November 09, 2021, 11:52:05 AM
But the stepping stone thing could be viewed as a positive he won’t be offered the Liverpool job any time soon if he’s rubbish and a dismal failure it will finish him for that level job
So for him to be the next Liverpool manager from us would mean he has been very successful which I will take even if I don’t believe he will be
So the steppingstone fear thing doesn’t bother me as much as pundits and media talking about Villa being a stepping stone club which is fucking annoying
If it happens and I think it will some of us me included will have to try and get our heads around it
It’s so fucking fucking fucking disappointing but there’s nothing we can do
So we will have to run with it
The only bit of sunlight I can see is we don’t really know what he is all about because he is young and he hasn’t done anything yet so he might prove to be a great manager we don’t know his style of play or anything so You never know
The difference for me with someone like Gerard as opposed to Bruce is we knew everything about Steve Bruce we knew his style of play we knew the players he likes to buy we knew exactly what we were getting
And that’s exactly what we got which was shit
We can’t say that about Gerard yet and that Little grain of hope is what I hang on to
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 09, 2021, 11:52:43 AM
Hot favourite Steven Gerrard is not ready for the Aston Villa job, according to pundit Simon Jordan.
The Rangers boss is the front-runner to succeed Dean Smith at Villa Park in what would be his first Premier League manager’s role, having led the Gers to the Scottish Premiership title last season.
It appears Gerrard would be a popular choice among fans, but former Crystal Palace owner Jordan believes Villa should be targeting a more established manager.
But he suspects Rangers will be powerless to prevent Gerrard moving on should he opt to return to the Premier League, where he achieved iconic status as a player.
“Gerrard will probably have a release clause [in his contract],” said Jordan on talkSPORT this morning.
“Rangers can play hard ball as much as they want but if there is a release clause in Steven Gerrard’s contract, which will be compensation-based, Rangers will be whistling down the wind about what they can and can’t do.
“For me, it would be a strange appointment because, despite his achievements in Scotland, we’re talking about a potentially good manager.
“We’re talking about a potential elite manager, a potential Premier League manager.
“And if Aston Villa want reality rather than potential, then then they should go for an established manager.
“If Tottenham [who have just hired Antonio Conte] are an elite club, then why can’t Aston Villa [be], with their wealth and ownership and the size and scale of their club.
“Gerrard is a great name on paper, Gerrard will give them recognisability.
“But the real pull will be winning games and being near the top of the Premier League.
“If they’re building a media business alongside the football operation, then I get the Gerrard equation.
“Villa are pushing to be an elite club now, which is the reason why they’ve taken Dean out.
“But if you’re going for Gerrard, you’re going for an element of potential. It worries me that it’s too early for Gerrard, he hasn’t finished the job at Rangers, and Villa is probably a job that requires a different set of hands.
“I think he is not at the level yet where he will take Villa to the level where they want to be at.”
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2021, 11:52:44 AM
The positives on Gerrard
✔Winner played and won at highest level
✔huge name in the game
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
✔mccalister knows the club
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
✔passion - no one can question that.
✔can attract massive names to the club
The negatives
❌could use us a stepping stone
❌ no experience in england
❌liverpool wankfest when we play them
Negatives
He has no experience as a player or manager of not being at a wankfest club
He has no experience of turning around a losing run
He has no evidence to show he's capable of tapping into the potential of players like Chuk whilst keeping preformances and results on track
There's plenty more.
He might be fine but it is a massive gamble and I don'y see any reason why we should be making that gamble right now, if we were Norwich I'd be much more willing to do it.
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2021, 11:53:01 AM
It's about style. I watched every Rangers goal from that league season, like I said. I don't think you can rely on that strategy in the league. It's not about the crosses themselves, it's about the type of crosses and the extent to which they rely on poor defending.
But if you've got some Wigan kid doing it who has never played higher than League 1, it sort of cuts both ways. And if it works...why would you do anything else?
Quite, which is why my main point is it's impossible really to draw conclusions from his time at Rangers. And given that it's impossible to draw such conclusions, from either his managerial or playing careers, as to why he should take over the fourth or fifth richest club in England at such a time, then what can possibly be the justification for approaching him?
There are big questions marks over him.
But in my gut I feel no better or worse about him than Potter or Fonseca. They all pose huge risks. This is a massive gamble, regardless, and there is no single candidate.
Take ten Hag. Looks a good manager. But so did De Boer and he flopped in Italy and Palace. What if that mighty 72% win record counts for as little as De Boer's 4 consecutive titles and 61% win ratio?
It's all risk. There is no golden ticket here.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 09, 2021, 11:53:52 AM
It would be an absolutely boneheaded appointment on all levels.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 09, 2021, 11:54:15 AM
It's gonna happen int it? Potter probably won't leave mid-season. Hasenhuttl hasn't the stardust. Gary McCallister back ;D
McAllister did a very good job for us in difficult circumstances that time.
I know its just the time thing. Seems an eon ago
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 11:55:54 AM
The positives on Gerrard
✔Winner played and won at highest level
✔huge name in the game
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
✔mccalister knows the club
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
✔passion - no one can question that.
✔can attract massive names to the club
The negatives
❌could use us a stepping stone
❌ no experience in england
❌liverpool wankfest when we play them
Those "positives" are all absolute nonsense.
✔Winner played and won at highest level
Complete irrelevance, see Bruce, Di Matteo, Sherwood, etc.
✔huge name in the game
So was Diego Maradona, didn't make him a good manager
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
If they're so excellent why have they won less than St Johnstone?
✔mccalister knows the club
So do Eric Black and Kevin MacDonald, should we bring them back?
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
Absolute drivel, and what evidence do you have of any "nonsense" from Mings?
✔passion - no one can question that
Great news! If we are appointing a manager based on traits that were considered vital by Little Englander Chairmen in about 1973. Exactly the same logic that would have made Tim Sherwood seem an ideal candidate.
✔can attract massive names to the club
We are Aston Villa and we have loads of money. Our Board should be able to do that. If it is just based on the Gerrard name, how many megastars play for "Rangers"? Did Ronaldo consider joining Derby County because Rooney is there?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 11:56:17 AM
The positives on Gerrard
✔Winner played and won at highest level
✔huge name in the game
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
✔mccalister knows the club
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
✔passion - no one can question that.
✔can attract massive names to the club
The negatives
❌could use us a stepping stone
❌ no experience in england
❌liverpool wankfest when we play them
His playing career means nothing.
His name means nothing.
We don't know who his coaching team will be.
Yes, McAllister did well when Houllier was ill.
Mings has proven time and again that he doesn't deal in nonsense.
Passion?
Can he fuck.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 09, 2021, 11:56:41 AM
I wonder what line of thinking makes them think Dean Smith didn't have it in his locker to take us to the next level (something I agree on, reluctantly), but Steven Gerrard does?
It would be an absolutely boneheaded appointment on all levels.
Nail on head.
Post by: Grumpy on November 09, 2021, 11:56:50 AM
Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllier
Unfortunately...DOL and MON weren't Brits either...an honorary Brit in the case of MON (MBE/OBE!)
I haven’t logged on for years and never post BUT M’ON is from NI. So is British… but that’s a debate for another time!
NI is part of the UK (and I guess EU these days...) not Britannia. Please post more!
Mate it’s GB & NI
Also NI part of the UK
We are British and can be Irish also if we choose but that only came about after good Friday agreement
Hate to be a pedant but there’s an awful lot of angry loyalists over here who would wave their fist at you on this (and maybe burn some buses)
😂🤣
Anyways
No thanks to Gerard and give me Ten Haag
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 09, 2021, 11:59:02 AM
Simon Jordan talking sense:spot on.
Hot favourite Steven Gerrard is not ready for the Aston Villa job, according to pundit Simon Jordan.
The Rangers boss is the front-runner to succeed Dean Smith at Villa Park in what would be his first Premier League manager’s role, having led the Gers to the Scottish Premiership title last season.
It appears Gerrard would be a popular choice among fans, but former Crystal Palace owner Jordan believes Villa should be targeting a more established manager.
But he suspects Rangers will be powerless to prevent Gerrard moving on should he opt to return to the Premier League, where he achieved iconic status as a player.
“Gerrard will probably have a release clause [in his contract],” said Jordan on talkSPORT this morning.
“Rangers can play hard ball as much as they want but if there is a release clause in Steven Gerrard’s contract, which will be compensation-based, Rangers will be whistling down the wind about what they can and can’t do.
“For me, it would be a strange appointment because, despite his achievements in Scotland, we’re talking about a potentially good manager.
“We’re talking about a potential elite manager, a potential Premier League manager.
“And if Aston Villa want reality rather than potential, then then they should go for an established manager.
“If Tottenham [who have just hired Antonio Conte] are an elite club, then why can’t Aston Villa [be], with their wealth and ownership and the size and scale of their club.
“Gerrard is a great name on paper, Gerrard will give them recognisability.
“But the real pull will be winning games and being near the top of the Premier League.
“If they’re building a media business alongside the football operation, then I get the Gerrard equation.
“Villa are pushing to be an elite club now, which is the reason why they’ve taken Dean out.
“But if you’re going for Gerrard, you’re going for an element of potential. It worries me that it’s too early for Gerrard, he hasn’t finished the job at Rangers, and Villa is probably a job that requires a different set of hands.
“I think he is not at the level yet where he will take Villa to the level where they want to be at.”
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 09, 2021, 12:00:20 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on November 09, 2021, 12:01:37 PM
Post by: Hillbilly on November 09, 2021, 12:01:58 PM
It might have been me and I want a blanket ban on Scots. Docherty, McLeish and Lambert weren’t from the Scottish leagues, all disastrous in their own way. Ferguson and Dalglish are the only successful Scottish managers of the last 50 years. Every other one barely aspires to mediocre. Scottish coaches are shite. And just to put the fly on the shit, Eric fucking Black.Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllier
Villa's a great club and very traditional. This is a strength but at times it is a weakness- especially with why we sort of have fallen behind since the likes of Wenger, rocked up at Arsenal in the mid 90s. When we have gone continental it hasn't worked out. I remember the 'frog' comments with Houllier and Garde and that dreadful secret santa video in 2015. You only have to look at some of the Scottish stuff too with McLeish and Lambert (even in this thread above somebody says he doesn't want a Scott as manager!). Why should it matter where a manager is from? Judge people on their CV/competency not where they are from
To be fair I think the poster above says he doesn't want a manager from the Scottish leagues, rather than not wanting somebody who is Scottish. The inference being that the level is so low there.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 12:02:22 PM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on November 09, 2021, 12:02:55 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 12:03:33 PM
Learning on the job especially at the top level is always going to be hard to do. That’s the biggest risk in all of this. But the board will have seen Vieira start to do it at Palace without significant experience most recently. Gerrard will certainly raise the profile of the club and possibly attract a certain type of footballer. We all hope that if it is him more than anything he finds the ability quickly to perform as a PL manager. All of the other stuff around him is just noise.
Vieira is on his third club.
Post by: Monty on November 09, 2021, 12:04:00 PM
There are big questions marks over him.
But in my gut I feel no better or worse about him than Potter or Fonseca. They all pose huge risks. This is a massive gamble, regardless, and there is no single candidate.
Take ten Hag. Looks a good manager. But so did De Boer and he flopped in Italy and Palace. What if that mighty 72% win record counts for as little as De Boer's 4 consecutive titles and 61% win ratio?
It's all risk. There is no golden ticket here.
Of course it's all a risk. Conte would be a risk. Klopp would too. The question is to what degree, and while I recognise that Fonseca LBV and The Boy Who xG'd represent greater risks than I'd like, I think Gerrard represents a clear level beyond.
Post by: boozey182 on November 09, 2021, 12:04:19 PM
The positives on Gerrard
✔Winner played and won at highest level
✔huge name in the game
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
✔mccalister knows the club
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
✔passion - no one can question that.
✔can attract massive names to the club
The negatives
❌could use us a stepping stone
❌ no experience in england
❌liverpool wankfest when we play them
I understand what you are trying to do, and I love to be positive myself - it's commendable. I would ask though, how many of those points on the 'positive' side are actually relevant to how he will do as Villa manager?
✔Winner played and won at highest level - how often does this correlate to being a good manager? Conversely, how often have players with a glittering playing career failed spectacularly as a manager...?
✔huge name in the game - again, this means nothing when it comes to being a manager, other than it makes you more likely that you will get hired for jobs that you aren't qualified for!
✔has a excellent coaching team around him - this is a good point, and the most positive one, but as a team they haven't really been tested.
✔mccalister knows the club - this may help, especially when travelling to training on that first morning.
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings - I'm not really sure what this means.
✔passion - no one can question that. - To be honest, a passionate manager worries me. I want a cold, calculated manager. I don't want a Scouse Tim Sherwood.
✔can attract massive names to the club - is that true? Surely that will only happen if he is successful, but who is making a decision on where to go based on how good a player the manager was? I may be underestimating this - has he attracted big names to Rangers? Obviously that's not completely fair - it's all relative because and standard is much, much lower up there than it is in the Premier League.
I'm not trying to be snide, and I will obviously still get behind the team if he was appointed. But there is nothing here to think that he is right for us. Or should even be considered.
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2021, 12:06:11 PM
There are big questions marks over him.
But in my gut I feel no better or worse about him than Potter or Fonseca. They all pose huge risks. This is a massive gamble, regardless, and there is no single candidate.
Take ten Hag. Looks a good manager. But so did De Boer and he flopped in Italy and Palace. What if that mighty 72% win record counts for as little as De Boer's 4 consecutive titles and 61% win ratio?
It's all risk. There is no golden ticket here.
Of course it's all a risk. Conte would be a risk. Klopp would too. The question is to what degree, and while I recognise that Fonseca LBV and The Boy Who xG'd represent greater risks than I'd like, I think Gerrard represents a clear level beyond.
Yes Gerrard is the biggest gamble of all.
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 12:06:56 PM
I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa. We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.
I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.
Post by: Hillbilly on November 09, 2021, 12:08:49 PM
Post by: Martin Carruthers on November 09, 2021, 12:09:29 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 12:09:42 PM
All really good points.
I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa. We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.
I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.
I admire the sentiment, but there really aren't any good arguments in favour.
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2021, 12:10:01 PM
There are big questions marks over him.
But in my gut I feel no better or worse about him than Potter or Fonseca. They all pose huge risks. This is a massive gamble, regardless, and there is no single candidate.
Take ten Hag. Looks a good manager. But so did De Boer and he flopped in Italy and Palace. What if that mighty 72% win record counts for as little as De Boer's 4 consecutive titles and 61% win ratio?
It's all risk. There is no golden ticket here.
Of course it's all a risk. Conte would be a risk. Klopp would too. The question is to what degree, and while I recognise that Fonseca LBV and The Boy Who xG'd represent greater risks than I'd like, I think Gerrard represents a clear level beyond.
Yes Gerrard is the biggest gamble of all.
Yep, that's my problem with it, all the liverpool connection tuff and the fact he's a wanker is background noise, on his managerial career to date there's nothing to suggest he's ready or capable of doing the job we need, that's all that matters. Right now he's behind a bunch of options that I see as equally realistic that are nothing like as much of a shot in the dark.
Post by: boozey182 on November 09, 2021, 12:10:46 PM
All really good points.
I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa. We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.
I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.
I appreciate that you said that you won't post again, so sorry for drawing you in - feel free to not reply - but what are the really strong arguments for hiring him? I genuinely can't think of any, so if you know of any I would love to hear them. I tend to try to look on the bright side, but I'm really struggling to see anything that suggests hiring Gerrard would be anything other than a humongous risk.
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 12:11:27 PM
All really good points.
I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa. We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.
I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.
I admire the sentiment, but there really aren't any good arguments in favour.
Check the Birmingham Live poll. Plenty want Gerrard
Post by: john e on November 09, 2021, 12:11:59 PM
I don’t live in the local area so can’t gauge it but that seems a stretch for me
Post by: andyh on November 09, 2021, 12:12:50 PM
Like he always does with us.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 12:12:54 PM
All really good points.
I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa. We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.
I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.
I admire the sentiment, but there really aren't any good arguments in favour.
Check the Birmingham Live poll. Plenty want Gerrard
That's not a strong argument.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 09, 2021, 12:13:24 PM
Learning on the job especially at the top level is always going to be hard to do. That’s the biggest risk in all of this. But the board will have seen Vieira start to do it at Palace without significant experience most recently. Gerrard will certainly raise the profile of the club and possibly attract a certain type of footballer. We all hope that if it is him more than anything he finds the ability quickly to perform as a PL manager. All of the other stuff around him is just noise.
Vieira is on his third club.
One of those was in MLS so pretty much two jobs he's had in his career.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 09, 2021, 12:13:45 PM
Ambitious (a) Like Derby County but on steriods
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 12:15:13 PM
Learning on the job especially at the top level is always going to be hard to do. That’s the biggest risk in all of this. But the board will have seen Vieira start to do it at Palace without significant experience most recently. Gerrard will certainly raise the profile of the club and possibly attract a certain type of footballer. We all hope that if it is him more than anything he finds the ability quickly to perform as a PL manager. All of the other stuff around him is just noise.
Vieira is on his third club.
One of those was in MLS so pretty much two jobs he's had in his career.
Gerrard's is in the Scottish Premiership so pretty much no jobs.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 12:15:45 PM
All really good points.
I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa. We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.
I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.
I admire the sentiment, but there really aren't any good arguments in favour.
Check the Birmingham Live poll. Plenty want Gerrard
People listen to Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 09, 2021, 12:17:01 PM
All really good points.
I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa. We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.
I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.
I admire the sentiment, but there really aren't any good arguments in favour.
Check the Birmingham Live poll. Plenty want Gerrard
People listen to Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
And play 3-5-2.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 09, 2021, 12:19:23 PM
Simon Jordan gets it.Indeed. He's got a soft spot for us, anyway, and he usually talks sense.
Like he always does with us.
I reckon the whole thing's a smokescreen.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 12:19:36 PM
All really good points.
I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa. We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.
I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.
I admire the sentiment, but there really aren't any good arguments in favour.
Check the Birmingham Live poll. Plenty want Gerrard
People listen to Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
And play 3-5-2.
I hate people! We definitely shouldn't appoint a manager from any club that claims to be them.
Post by: Billy Walker on November 09, 2021, 12:20:04 PM
The positives on Gerrard
✔Winner played and won at highest level
✔huge name in the game
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
✔mccalister knows the club
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
✔passion - no one can question that.
✔can attract massive names to the club
The negatives
❌could use us a stepping stone
❌ no experience in england
❌liverpool wankfest when we play them
Those "positives" are all absolute nonsense.
✔Winner played and won at highest level
Complete irrelevance, see Bruce, Di Matteo, Sherwood, etc.
✔huge name in the game
So was Diego Maradona, didn't make him a good manager
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
If they're so excellent why have they won less than St Johnstone?
✔mccalister knows the club
So do Eric Black and Kevin MacDonald, should we bring them back?
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
Absolute drivel, and what evidence do you have of any "nonsense" from Mings?
✔passion - no one can question that
Great news! If we are appointing a manager based on traits that were considered vital by Little Englander Chairmen in about 1973. Exactly the same logic that would have made Tim Sherwood seem an ideal candidate.
✔can attract massive names to the club
We are Aston Villa and we have loads of money. Our Board should be able to do that. If it is just based on the Gerrard name, how many megastars play for "Rangers"? Did Ronaldo consider joining Derby County because Rooney is there?
Spot on.
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 12:21:21 PM
All really good points.
I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa. We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.
I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.
I admire the sentiment, but there really aren't any good arguments in favour.
Check the Birmingham Live poll. Plenty want Gerrard
That's not a strong argument.
Well….nearly 1500 voted that they’d want him and all must have their own reasons. As I said, going to go and sit on the fence for a bit and see what happens.
Post by: cannock villa on November 09, 2021, 12:22:06 PM
Post by: Billy Walker on November 09, 2021, 12:23:43 PM
All really good points.
I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa. We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.
I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.
I admire the sentiment, but there really aren't any good arguments in favour.
Check the Birmingham Live poll. Plenty want Gerrard
Liverpool fans? Blues fans, Baggies fans? The world and their dog can vote on that, unfortunately.
Post by: Clive W on November 09, 2021, 12:24:33 PM
Past records and achievements don’t necessarily guarantee future success.
Someone may prove me wrong, but when I quickly scanned down the list of potential candidates, I got the impression that they had all been either sacked, or resigned under dubious circumstances, at least once in their managerial careers.
I think that it was in Harold Wilson’s day that someone coined the phrase “all political careers end in failure”
The same could be said of football managers/coaches - SAF and Wenger the very rare exceptions
We can only hope that our next appointment will give us 2/3 years of success to build from where we are now before the inevitable 5 match losing run and the merry go round starts up again.
Post by: Monty on November 09, 2021, 12:25:19 PM
Post by: andyh on November 09, 2021, 12:28:43 PM
I'm willing to bet some money that most of the people who'd voted for him in that poll would have done so for some variation on 'he's a winner'.And many would be of the mindset that Dean shouldn’t have gone because it was only 5 games, and we sold our best player so it wasn’t his fault etc.
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 12:30:25 PM
All really good points.
I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa. We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.
I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.
I admire the sentiment, but there really aren't any good arguments in favour.
Check the Birmingham Live poll. Plenty want Gerrard
Liverpool fans? Blues fans, Baggies fans? The world and their dog can vote on that, unfortunately.
Fair point
Post by: Dave P on November 09, 2021, 12:32:54 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 09, 2021, 12:37:34 PM
Learning on the job especially at the top level is always going to be hard to do. That’s the biggest risk in all of this. But the board will have seen Vieira start to do it at Palace without significant experience most recently. Gerrard will certainly raise the profile of the club and possibly attract a certain type of footballer. We all hope that if it is him more than anything he finds the ability quickly to perform as a PL manager. All of the other stuff around him is just noise.
Vieira is on his third club.
One of those was in MLS so pretty much two jobs he's had in his career.
And he was dumped from Nice after 5 straight defeats. Nothing suggested he was ready for the PL. And I concede just because he’s started well doesn’t mean it will end up that way.
Gerrard is on the list which I also hope and can only assume has other names. Because he’s popular with the English media and the Purslow link he’s going to get loads of coverage. I hope that a better option is chosen even if possibly one day Gerrard proves his worth. But for right now should be aiming higher.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 09, 2021, 12:37:56 PM
Maybe the hierarchy are thinking the season ticket waiting list is getting out of hand and are looking to appoint Gerrard to reduce it. Can't think of another reason tbh.
Well from a commercial/sponsorship point of view it makes a lot of sense. The last figures I saw for our commercial activities on here were pretty unimpressive. Crap actually.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 12:41:02 PM
All really good points.
I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa. We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.
I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.
I admire the sentiment, but there really aren't any good arguments in favour.
Check the Birmingham Live poll. Plenty want Gerrard
That's not a strong argument.
Well….nearly 1500 voted that they’d want him and all must have their own reasons. As I said, going to go and sit on the fence for a bit and see what happens.
Have you seen the viewing figure's for Mrs Brown's Boys?!
Post by: tomd2103 on November 09, 2021, 12:43:57 PM
Learning on the job especially at the top level is always going to be hard to do. That’s the biggest risk in all of this. But the board will have seen Vieira start to do it at Palace without significant experience most recently. Gerrard will certainly raise the profile of the club and possibly attract a certain type of footballer. We all hope that if it is him more than anything he finds the ability quickly to perform as a PL manager. All of the other stuff around him is just noise.
Vieira is on his third club.
One of those was in MLS so pretty much two jobs he's had in his career.
Gerrard's is in the Scottish Premiership so pretty much no jobs.
Having lived and worked in Glasgow in the past, I think there is a misconception south of the border about how difficult managing the Old Firm teams is.
Yes the standard is not the same as the Premier League in England, but the pressure to win every game they play is immense and there is no escape from it in and around the city.
I would equate it to managing a club like us in the Championship which proved pretty difficult at times. For every Gerrard, Rodgers and O'Neill who have had varying levels of success up there, there have been some absolute disasters who have sunk.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 12:45:23 PM
All really good points.
I think fundamentally, we all want what is right for Aston Villa. We’re all on the same page with that even though they’ll be some in the for Gerrard camp and some in the against.
I probably won’t post again about it given I’ll get behind whoever gets the job but some really strong arguments for and against.
I admire the sentiment, but there really aren't any good arguments in favour.
Check the Birmingham Live poll. Plenty want Gerrard
Liverpool fans? Blues fans, Baggies fans? The world and their dog can vote on that, unfortunately.
I think there also needs to be some level of qualitative voting. I've got several thousand posts on a popular Aston Villa messageboard and have in my possession over two Aston Villa car stickers despite not owning a car. I'd like to think my vote carries a little more weight than that of the sort of lumpenproletariat that is given free rein to access the Birmingham Live website.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 12:46:54 PM
Learning on the job especially at the top level is always going to be hard to do. That’s the biggest risk in all of this. But the board will have seen Vieira start to do it at Palace without significant experience most recently. Gerrard will certainly raise the profile of the club and possibly attract a certain type of footballer. We all hope that if it is him more than anything he finds the ability quickly to perform as a PL manager. All of the other stuff around him is just noise.
Vieira is on his third club.
One of those was in MLS so pretty much two jobs he's had in his career.
Gerrard's is in the Scottish Premiership so pretty much no jobs.
Having lived and worked in Glasgow in the past, I think there is a misconception south of the border about how difficult managing the Old Firm teams is.
Yes the standard is not the same as the Premier League in England, but the pressure to win every game they play is immense and there is no escape from it in and around the city.
I would equate it to managing a club like us in the Championship which proved pretty difficult at times. For every Gerrard, Rodgers and O'Neill who have had varying levels of success up there, there have been some absolute disasters who have sunk.
I lived in Scotland for ten years, and I agree with you. Rodgers, O'Neill and Smith proved time and again that they were up to it. Gerrard hasn't.
Post by: LukeJames on November 09, 2021, 12:48:24 PM
But out of curiosity I had a look at his record in Europe were he's arguably playing against teams on par with Rangers and its miles ahead of what I was expecting to see.
Played 53
Won 26
Drew 17
Lost 10
I still dont want him though.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 12:49:27 PM
The positives on Gerrard
✔Winner played and won at highest level
✔huge name in the game
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
✔mccalister knows the club
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
✔passion - no one can question that.
✔can attract massive names to the club
The negatives
❌could use us a stepping stone
❌ no experience in england
❌liverpool wankfest when we play them
Those "positives" are all absolute nonsense.
✔Winner played and won at highest level
Complete irrelevance, see Bruce, Di Matteo, Sherwood, etc.
✔huge name in the game
So was Diego Maradona, didn't make him a good manager
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
If they're so excellent why have they won less than St Johnstone?
✔mccalister knows the club
So do Eric Black and Kevin MacDonald, should we bring them back?
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
Absolute drivel, and what evidence do you have of any "nonsense" from Mings?
✔passion - no one can question that
Great news! If we are appointing a manager based on traits that were considered vital by Little Englander Chairmen in about 1973. Exactly the same logic that would have made Tim Sherwood seem an ideal candidate.
✔can attract massive names to the club
We are Aston Villa and we have loads of money. Our Board should be able to do that. If it is just based on the Gerrard name, how many megastars play for "Rangers"? Did Ronaldo consider joining Derby County because Rooney is there?
What a load of negative waffle.
So you throw a couple bad examples like bruce out there and suddenly its nonsense. For every bruce there is a Guardiola. Bruce was appointed at a time when he seemed the best bet. RDM had a good CV amd didnt he win the CL with chelsea? Oh dear that must have slipped your mind.
Yeah eric black and k mac are the same aren't they. Remind us where they currently are at the moment??
Well gerarrd won them the scittish league with the help of his backroom team didnt he? And has made some really poor players look half decent.
Nothing wrong with abit of passion from a manager not sure why so negative about a bit of passion.
You are away rangers is a small league and they dont ahve the budgets of premier league clubs?? So how do you expect them to attract the superstars you are referring to?? Explain that to us?
I hope your not this negative when your at villa park jesus.
Gerrard osnt my 1st choice and i dont realky want him but just highlighting some potential positives. Unlike this negative jump off a cliff stuff you have written.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 12:50:04 PM
Its just too difficult to decifer wether Gerrard is ready for the step up to the Premier League based on what he's done at Rangers due to the domestic competition being nowhere near any good.
But out of curiosity I had a look at his record in Europe were he's arguably playing against teams on par with Rangers and its miles ahead of what I was expecting to see.
Played 53
Won 26
Drew 17
Lost 10
I still dont want him though.
It's teams on a par with Liverpool that we need to worry about.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 09, 2021, 12:51:45 PM
As it said on my old (very old) passport in the 80's: The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland.Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllier
Unfortunately...DOL and MON weren't Brits either...an honorary Brit in the case of MON (MBE/OBE!)
I haven’t logged on for years and never post BUT M’ON is from NI. So is British… but that’s a debate for another time!
NI is part of the UK (and I guess EU these days...) not Britannia. Please post more!
Mate it’s GB & NI
Also NI part of the UK
We are British and can be Irish also if we choose but that only came about after good Friday agreement
Hate to be a pedant but there’s an awful lot of angry loyalists over here who would wave their fist at you on this (and maybe burn some buses)
😂🤣
Anyways
No thanks to Gerard and give me Ten Haag
Used to cause many an argument in the ships' bar (when we where allowed a bar), with a bunch of numbnuts saying I was a British citizen - I'm a UK citizen and am now also allowed to be an Irish citizen.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 09, 2021, 12:56:23 PM
Learning on the job especially at the top level is always going to be hard to do. That’s the biggest risk in all of this. But the board will have seen Vieira start to do it at Palace without significant experience most recently. Gerrard will certainly raise the profile of the club and possibly attract a certain type of footballer. We all hope that if it is him more than anything he finds the ability quickly to perform as a PL manager. All of the other stuff around him is just noise.
Vieira is on his third club.
One of those was in MLS so pretty much two jobs he's had in his career.
Gerrard's is in the Scottish Premiership so pretty much no jobs.
Having lived and worked in Glasgow in the past, I think there is a misconception south of the border about how difficult managing the Old Firm teams is.
Yes the standard is not the same as the Premier League in England, but the pressure to win every game they play is immense and there is no escape from it in and around the city.
I would equate it to managing a club like us in the Championship which proved pretty difficult at times. For every Gerrard, Rodgers and O'Neill who have had varying levels of success up there, there have been some absolute disasters who have sunk.
I lived in Scotland for ten years, and I agree with you. Rodgers, O'Neill and Smith proved time and again that they were up to it. Gerrard hasn't.
The major difference being all of those took over very established clubs. This version of Rangers wasn’t anything like the clubs managed by the managers you’ve referenced
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 12:56:25 PM
Steven Gerrard “now ready to take up offer” of Aston Villa Manager this week. Compensation close to agreed between two clubs. Did last night’s text from Villa’s most famous fan to Gerrard make a difference? New man to assume role by Friday. More to follow. HA. #AVFC #RangersFC
https://twitter.com/iammrazul/status/1458050034151346176
He's referring to a member of the royal family.
Post by: andyh on November 09, 2021, 12:57:02 PM
The positives on Gerrard
✔Winner played and won at highest level
✔huge name in the game
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
✔mccalister knows the club
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
✔passion - no one can question that.
✔can attract massive names to the club
The negatives
❌could use us a stepping stone
❌ no experience in england
❌liverpool wankfest when we play them
Those "positives" are all absolute nonsense.
✔Winner played and won at highest level
Complete irrelevance, see Bruce, Di Matteo, Sherwood, etc.
✔huge name in the game
So was Diego Maradona, didn't make him a good manager
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
If they're so excellent why have they won less than St Johnstone?
✔mccalister knows the club
So do Eric Black and Kevin MacDonald, should we bring them back?
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
Absolute drivel, and what evidence do you have of any "nonsense" from Mings?
✔passion - no one can question that
Great news! If we are appointing a manager based on traits that were considered vital by Little Englander Chairmen in about 1973. Exactly the same logic that would have made Tim Sherwood seem an ideal candidate.
✔can attract massive names to the club
We are Aston Villa and we have loads of money. Our Board should be able to do that. If it is just based on the Gerrard name, how many megastars play for "Rangers"? Did Ronaldo consider joining Derby County because Rooney is there?
What a load of negative waffle.
So you throw a couple bad examples like bruce out there and suddenly its nonsense. For every bruce there is a Guardiola……………..
Sorry mate, that bit is just bollocks.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 09, 2021, 01:01:01 PM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 09, 2021, 01:04:54 PM
Post by: lovejoy on November 09, 2021, 01:06:19 PM
Its just too difficult to decifer wether Gerrard is ready for the step up to the Premier League based on what he's done at Rangers due to the domestic competition being nowhere near any good.
But out of curiosity I had a look at his record in Europe were he's arguably playing against teams on par with Rangers and its miles ahead of what I was expecting to see.
Played 53
Won 26
Drew 17
Lost 10
I still dont want him though.
I'm guessing this includes Europa league matches against teams we've never heard of (and probably division 2 standard). What's his record in the champions league group stages?
Post by: Smithy on November 09, 2021, 01:06:22 PM
But - and I'm sure this is true for many Villa fans - he has ZERO credit in the bank with me, he's probably at a credit deficit in fact, so he'll get nowhere near as long as Dean did to get the team performing before the fans get restless.
I was always happy to back Dean, and to support him even when results weren't great - I would always look for the positive wherever I could find it, because I wanted the Villa fan to succeed. I don't see me doing that with Gerrard.
All that said, if you'd told me in the summer of 2017 that I would end up feeling quite fond of John Terry, I'd have laughed at you. So you never know.
Post by: Luffbralion on November 09, 2021, 01:06:46 PM
Not sure whether it has been mentioned earlier, but I always find him a very uninspiring interviewee.
Doesnt smile and has a monotonous drone that makes "Mr Mumbles" Lambert sound like an orator.
(Mind you .... I can remember a Liverpudlian who only smiled when it was really merited!)
Post by: lovejoy on November 09, 2021, 01:06:59 PM
Post by: Monty on November 09, 2021, 01:07:29 PM
Post by: RichardBatchelor on November 09, 2021, 01:10:40 PM
The positives on Gerrard
✔Winner played and won at highest level
✔huge name in the game
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
✔mccalister knows the club
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
✔passion - no one can question that.
✔can attract massive names to the club
The negatives
❌could use us a stepping stone
❌ no experience in england
❌liverpool wankfest when we play them
Those "positives" are all absolute nonsense.
✔Winner played and won at highest level
Complete irrelevance, see Bruce, Di Matteo, Sherwood, etc.
✔huge name in the game
So was Diego Maradona, didn't make him a good manager
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
If they're so excellent why have they won less than St Johnstone?
✔mccalister knows the club
So do Eric Black and Kevin MacDonald, should we bring them back?
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
Absolute drivel, and what evidence do you have of any "nonsense" from Mings?
✔passion - no one can question that
Great news! If we are appointing a manager based on traits that were considered vital by Little Englander Chairmen in about 1973. Exactly the same logic that would have made Tim Sherwood seem an ideal candidate.
✔can attract massive names to the club
We are Aston Villa and we have loads of money. Our Board should be able to do that. If it is just based on the Gerrard name, how many megastars play for "Rangers"? Did Ronaldo consider joining Derby County because Rooney is there?
Spot on.
I like Gerrard but you forgot
X He likes Phil Collins.
Post by: andyh on November 09, 2021, 01:11:29 PM
I reckon so.
Could Gerrard have done at Villa what Dean Smith has managed over the last couple of years?
I doubt it.
Gerrard is NOT an upgrade on Smith. No way.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 01:11:55 PM
The positives on Gerrard
✔Winner played and won at highest level
✔huge name in the game
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
✔mccalister knows the club
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
✔passion - no one can question that.
✔can attract massive names to the club
The negatives
❌could use us a stepping stone
❌ no experience in england
❌liverpool wankfest when we play them
Those "positives" are all absolute nonsense.
✔Winner played and won at highest level
Complete irrelevance, see Bruce, Di Matteo, Sherwood, etc.
✔huge name in the game
So was Diego Maradona, didn't make him a good manager
✔has a excellent coaching team around him
If they're so excellent why have they won less than St Johnstone?
✔mccalister knows the club
So do Eric Black and Kevin MacDonald, should we bring them back?
✔gerrards tough. He wont take no nonsense from someone like mings
Absolute drivel, and what evidence do you have of any "nonsense" from Mings?
✔passion - no one can question that
Great news! If we are appointing a manager based on traits that were considered vital by Little Englander Chairmen in about 1973. Exactly the same logic that would have made Tim Sherwood seem an ideal candidate.
✔can attract massive names to the club
We are Aston Villa and we have loads of money. Our Board should be able to do that. If it is just based on the Gerrard name, how many megastars play for "Rangers"? Did Ronaldo consider joining Derby County because Rooney is there?
What a load of negative waffle.
So you throw a couple bad examples like bruce out there and suddenly its nonsense. For every bruce there is a Guardiola.
Well, quite. Good players can make good managers or terrible ones. So discussing how good a candidate was as a player provides no clue as to how good a manager is and is, therefore, a complete irrelevance.
Bruce was appointed at a time when he seemed the best bet. RDM had a good CV amd didnt he win the CL with chelsea? Oh dear that must have slipped your mind.
Not really, I can't say I've given it too much thought. Both were good players and terrible managers, for Aston Villa. So, again, being a good player provides no evidence that anyone will be a good manager. Both Brian Little and David O'Leary were great players, if you want further examples. One was a successful Villa manager, the other, not so much. So, again, playing career is irrelevant.
Yeah eric black and k mac are the same aren't they. Remind us where they currently are at the moment??
I've no idea and even less interest. I don't see knowing the Villa as any great guarantee of success (or failure). In any case there is probably only one player who played under McAllister and he now plays in a different position.
Well gerarrd won them the scittish league with the help of his backroom team didnt he? And has made some really poor players look half decent.
They have won one out of three leagues in a league that only two teams can win. Add in zero out of six cups. Unless you think the St Johnstone manager and coaching staff should be viable candidates for Villa then there is no argument that Gerrard and pals should be considered other than pure Liverpool starfucking.
Nothing wrong with abit of passion from a manager not sure why so negative about a bit of passion.
I'm not negative about it, it's just meaningless, like saying we should appoint a manager who has hopes, fears or kidneys. 99% of managers have "passion". Not all of them display it by jumping up and down on the touchline but that's hardly relevant.
You are away rangers is a small league and they dont ahve the budgets of premier league clubs?? So how do you expect them to attract the superstars you are referring to?? Explain that to us?
Well, quite. So it isn't a manager that attracts players, but the league and the club doing the bidding. Exactly as I was saying. The fact that our manager was a great player will be as irrelevant in attracting players as it was when we were managed by all those other great players who, generally, didn't attract star names. Gerard Houllier had no playing career to speak of and, arguably, signed a bigger name than any of the others in Darren Bent.
Post by: tomd2103 on November 09, 2021, 01:12:14 PM
Learning on the job especially at the top level is always going to be hard to do. That’s the biggest risk in all of this. But the board will have seen Vieira start to do it at Palace without significant experience most recently. Gerrard will certainly raise the profile of the club and possibly attract a certain type of footballer. We all hope that if it is him more than anything he finds the ability quickly to perform as a PL manager. All of the other stuff around him is just noise.
Vieira is on his third club.
One of those was in MLS so pretty much two jobs he's had in his career.
Gerrard's is in the Scottish Premiership so pretty much no jobs.
Having lived and worked in Glasgow in the past, I think there is a misconception south of the border about how difficult managing the Old Firm teams is.
Yes the standard is not the same as the Premier League in England, but the pressure to win every game they play is immense and there is no escape from it in and around the city.
I would equate it to managing a club like us in the Championship which proved pretty difficult at times. For every Gerrard, Rodgers and O'Neill who have had varying levels of success up there, there have been some absolute disasters who have sunk.
I lived in Scotland for ten years, and I agree with you. Rodgers, O'Neill and Smith proved time and again that they were up to it. Gerrard hasn't.
Agree that he can't be put in the same bracket as the other three you mention. I'm not advocating his appointment, but I do think he deserves some recognition for overhauling Celtic and winning the title, given the gap that existed when they re-entered the top flight.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on November 09, 2021, 01:12:33 PM
Its just too difficult to decifer wether Gerrard is ready for the step up to the Premier League based on what he's done at Rangers due to the domestic competition being nowhere near any good.
But out of curiosity I had a look at his record in Europe were he's arguably playing against teams on par with Rangers and its miles ahead of what I was expecting to see.
Played 53
Won 26
Drew 17
Lost 10
I still dont want him though.
I'm guessing this includes Europa league matches against teams we've never heard of (and probably division 2 standard). What's his record in the champions league group stages?
Surely Rangers can't have played 53 European matches already under Gerrard???!!!!
Post by: Monty on November 09, 2021, 01:13:35 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on November 09, 2021, 01:14:02 PM
Gaultier, Favre, Fonseca in that order for me
Gut feeling - Gerrard
As its now clear, looking like my gut was accurate
Post by: algy on November 09, 2021, 01:15:49 PM
Well, if it's Gerrard then I guess we'll just have to get behind him. Can't say that I'm overly enthusiastic about the appointment, but it could be much worse.Gaultier, Favre, Fonseca in that order for me
Gut feeling - Gerrard
As its now clear, looking like my gut was accurate
Post by: cdward on November 09, 2021, 01:20:22 PM
Their records are relatively similar up there, 2-3 league titles, 2 or 3 league cups, 1 or 2 Scottish cups.
For me it is a risk, but with the club set up and squad we currently have, and the youth coming through, I am expecting any new manger to be a relative success.
Villa haven’t finished in the top half of the PL since 2010/2011, so any new manager should be aiming for that. If Gerrard can achieve that then all good, which currently is only 5 points above where we are now.
If he can’t achieve a top half finish, then we should have stuck with Dean Smith.
MON achieved top half finishes, TSM didn’t.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 01:20:27 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 09, 2021, 01:20:55 PM
any one come out yet who actually looks good been on the internet all morning trying to get a PS5
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 01:21:00 PM
Could Dean Smith have done at Rangers what Gerrard has done over the last couple of years?
I reckon so.
Could Gerrard have done at Villa what Dean Smith has managed over the last couple of years?
I doubt it.
Gerrard is NOT an upgrade on Smith. No way.
Impossible to say either way though Andy. I don't think that getting a team with Grealish, McGinn, Mings, El Ghazi and Abraham out of the Championship is much more of an achievement than winning the title in Scotland with Rangers though.
Post by: Smithy on November 09, 2021, 01:24:23 PM
Its just too difficult to decifer wether Gerrard is ready for the step up to the Premier League based on what he's done at Rangers due to the domestic competition being nowhere near any good.
But out of curiosity I had a look at his record in Europe were he's arguably playing against teams on par with Rangers and its miles ahead of what I was expecting to see.
Played 53
Won 26
Drew 17
Lost 10
I still dont want him though.
I'm guessing this includes Europa league matches against teams we've never heard of (and probably division 2 standard). What's his record in the champions league group stages?
It's not champions league standard, but in the Europa league last season Rangers knocked out Galatasaray to get into the group stages, where they played Standard Liege, Benfica and Lech Poznan. They topped the group, then knocked out Antwerp before getting knocked out by Slavia Prague (who got knocked out by Arsenal in the next round).
Not exactly Tier 1 European sides, but also not complete nobodies. This season they'll do well to get out of their group, with 1 win and 1 draw from four matches, and having lost to Lyon and Sparta Prague already.
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2021, 01:33:34 PM
This makes worrying reading from the Economist's head of sport.
Steven Gerrard “now ready to take up offer” of Aston Villa Manager this week. Compensation close to agreed between two clubs. Did last night’s text from Villa’s most famous fan to Gerrard make a difference? New man to assume role by Friday. More to follow. HA. #AVFC #RangersFC
https://twitter.com/iammrazul/status/1458050034151346176
He's referring to a member of the royal family.
That's a blag account with a Russian singer as its profile picture.
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2021, 01:34:34 PM
Could Dean Smith have done at Rangers what Gerrard has done over the last couple of years?
I reckon so.
Could Gerrard have done at Villa what Dean Smith has managed over the last couple of years?
I doubt it.
Gerrard is NOT an upgrade on Smith. No way.
Impossible to say either way though Andy. I don't think that getting a team with Grealish, McGinn, Mings, El Ghazi and Abraham out of the Championship is much more of an achievement than winning the title in Scotland with Rangers though.
Smith managed that in 7 months, it took Gerrard 3 years to get his only meaningful achievement.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 01:38:00 PM
This makes worrying reading from the Economist's head of sport.
Steven Gerrard “now ready to take up offer” of Aston Villa Manager this week. Compensation close to agreed between two clubs. Did last night’s text from Villa’s most famous fan to Gerrard make a difference? New man to assume role by Friday. More to follow. HA. #AVFC #RangersFC
https://twitter.com/iammrazul/status/1458050034151346176
He's referring to a member of the royal family.
That's a blag account with a Russian singer as its profile picture.
Well that's something. I was about enter the stage of grief called 'at least he's not John Terry'.
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2021, 01:38:43 PM
This makes worrying reading from the Economist's head of sport.
Steven Gerrard “now ready to take up offer” of Aston Villa Manager this week. Compensation close to agreed between two clubs. Did last night’s text from Villa’s most famous fan to Gerrard make a difference? New man to assume role by Friday. More to follow. HA. #AVFC #RangersFC
https://twitter.com/iammrazul/status/1458050034151346176
He's referring to a member of the royal family.
That's a blag account with a Russian singer as its profile picture.
In fact, the pictufe is the lolololol man if you know your memes. Died in 2012. Some sad twats about on Twitter.
Post by: villa for life on November 09, 2021, 01:39:03 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 09, 2021, 01:39:22 PM
Could Dean Smith have done at Rangers what Gerrard has done over the last couple of years?
I reckon so.
Could Gerrard have done at Villa what Dean Smith has managed over the last couple of years?
I doubt it.
Gerrard is NOT an upgrade on Smith. No way.
Impossible to say either way though Andy. I don't think that getting a team with Grealish, McGinn, Mings, El Ghazi and Abraham out of the Championship is much more of an achievement than winning the title in Scotland with Rangers though.
Exactly Risso, impossible to say. I'd say one thing though, Stevie G won't be walking up to Bailey at BMH singing "there's only one Leon Bailey".
Post by: villadelph on November 09, 2021, 01:39:55 PM
I'd be interested to see the list of suitors that were actually contacted. If it was just Martinez, Gerrard and possibly Fonseca then there is real reason for concern.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 01:40:08 PM
This makes worrying reading from the Economist's head of sport.
Steven Gerrard “now ready to take up offer” of Aston Villa Manager this week. Compensation close to agreed between two clubs. Did last night’s text from Villa’s most famous fan to Gerrard make a difference? New man to assume role by Friday. More to follow. HA. #AVFC #RangersFC
https://twitter.com/iammrazul/status/1458050034151346176
He's referring to a member of the royal family.
That's a blag account with a Russian singer as its profile picture.
In fact, the pictufe is the lolololol man if you know your memes. Died in 2012. Some sad twats about on Twitter.
I do not know my memes.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 01:40:49 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 09, 2021, 01:40:52 PM
Could Dean Smith have done at Rangers what Gerrard has done over the last couple of years?
I reckon so.
Could Gerrard have done at Villa what Dean Smith has managed over the last couple of years?
I doubt it.
Gerrard is NOT an upgrade on Smith. No way.
Impossible to say either way though Andy. I don't think that getting a team with Grealish, McGinn, Mings, El Ghazi and Abraham out of the Championship is much more of an achievement than winning the title in Scotland with Rangers though.
Smith managed that in 7 months, it took Gerrard 3 years to get his only meaningful achievement.
Yeah but it’s not apples to apples is it? We finished 6th in the league and the play-offs offered us the chance to go up. To win a league then you have to finish first. I’m not saying Gerrard could have done what Dean did, but trying to draw read across conclusions feels skewed.
Post by: Villa Lew on November 09, 2021, 01:41:43 PM
Post by: berneboy on November 09, 2021, 01:42:13 PM
I know it's silly but back and having a top defensive coach too ( Terry?) wouldn't displease me.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 09, 2021, 01:42:37 PM
Incidentally, if it all goes pear- shaped, no matter who the manager is, how long do they get? Do we make another change in Feb if it looks like we are going to go down??!!
Not before Purslow is sacked. He's probably already got a nice little earner lined up at the FA for when the inevitable day arrives.
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 01:43:00 PM
Short of promoting nanny McPhee I don’t see howWell, if it's Gerrard then I guess we'll just have to get behind him. Can't say that I'm overly enthusiastic about the appointment, but it could be much worse.Gaultier, Favre, Fonseca in that order for me
Gut feeling - Gerrard
As its now clear, looking like my gut was accurate
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 09, 2021, 01:45:06 PM
Well, if it's Gerrard then I guess we'll just have to get behind him. Can't say that I'm overly enthusiastic about the appointment, but it could be much worse.Gaultier, Favre, Fonseca in that order for me
Gut feeling - Gerrard
As its now clear, looking like my gut was accurate
I'm struggling to think how.
Post by: caster troy on November 09, 2021, 01:49:01 PM
Short of promoting nanny McPhee I don’t see howWell, if it's Gerrard then I guess we'll just have to get behind him. Can't say that I'm overly enthusiastic about the appointment, but it could be much worse.Gaultier, Favre, Fonseca in that order for me
Gut feeling - Gerrard
As its now clear, looking like my gut was accurate
Robbie Savage maybe? I can’t think of many worse that’s for sure.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 01:50:46 PM
Incidentally, if it all goes pear- shaped, no matter who the manager is, how long do they get? Do we make another change in Feb if it looks like we are going to go down??!!
Not before Purslow is sacked. He's probably already got a nice little earner lined up at the FA for when the inevitable day arrives.
He's a minority shareholder.It might not be as easy as that (not that I have a single clue how that works).
Post by: BC Villain on November 09, 2021, 01:51:12 PM
Pretty sure O'Neill, for all his faults, isn't a Loyalist. If he wants to think of himself as British or Irish then he can. Suspect he would prefer the latter.
Loyal to himself
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 01:57:26 PM
Incidentally, if it all goes pear- shaped, no matter who the manager is, how long do they get? Do we make another change in Feb if it looks like we are going to go down??!!His role as a CEO is not linked to his shareholder status - ownership and directorship are separate.
Owners get to elect the directors - but as a minority shareholder his say will not be decisive
Not before Purslow is sacked. He's probably already got a nice little earner lined up at the FA for when the inevitable day arrives.
He's a minority shareholder.It might not be as easy as that (not that I have a single clue how that works).
Post by: charleeco7 on November 09, 2021, 01:57:31 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2021, 01:57:38 PM
Could Dean Smith have done at Rangers what Gerrard has done over the last couple of years?
I reckon so.
Could Gerrard have done at Villa what Dean Smith has managed over the last couple of years?
I doubt it.
Gerrard is NOT an upgrade on Smith. No way.
Impossible to say either way though Andy. I don't think that getting a team with Grealish, McGinn, Mings, El Ghazi and Abraham out of the Championship is much more of an achievement than winning the title in Scotland with Rangers though.
Smith managed that in 7 months, it took Gerrard 3 years to get his only meaningful achievement.
Yeah but it’s not apples to apples is it? We finished 6th in the league and the play-offs offered us the chance to go up. To win a league then you have to finish first. I’m not saying Gerrard could have done what Dean did, but trying to draw read across conclusions feels skewed.
My point was that there's no real comparison to be made because of the difference in circumstances, I went with the timesclae difference but yes there are plenty of other reasons to avoid it. That said the underlying point that Smith could 'easily' have done what Gerrard did but the reverse might not be true is one I agree with. At best I see Gerrard as a sideways move, which would be hugely disappointing.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 09, 2021, 02:04:09 PM
This makes worrying reading from the Economist's head of sport.
Steven Gerrard “now ready to take up offer” of Aston Villa Manager this week. Compensation close to agreed between two clubs. Did last night’s text from Villa’s most famous fan to Gerrard make a difference? New man to assume role by Friday. More to follow. HA. #AVFC #RangersFC
https://twitter.com/iammrazul/status/1458050034151346176
He's referring to a member of the royal family.
That's a blag account with a Russian singer as its profile picture.
Well that's something. I was about enter the stage of grief called 'at least he's not John Terry'.
You thought nothing of The Economist employing a "Head Of European Sport"? :)
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2021, 02:04:38 PM
But spurs had already interviewed him so the groundwork was done.The point is why were we not working on the replacement before firing Smith?
Because we're doing things properly? And we're hardly likely to approach a club with an incumbent manager about a vacancy we don't have.
If rumours are true, we did have an initial conversation with Fonseca, who is, of course out of work.
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2021, 02:10:08 PM
The fact that he’s topping polls in local papers is unbelievableThere are probably more votes coming from our local 'rivals' than our own supporters. He does coach a team in blue after all.
I don’t live in the local area so can’t gauge it but that seems a stretch for me
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 02:10:44 PM
This makes worrying reading from the Economist's head of sport.
Steven Gerrard “now ready to take up offer” of Aston Villa Manager this week. Compensation close to agreed between two clubs. Did last night’s text from Villa’s most famous fan to Gerrard make a difference? New man to assume role by Friday. More to follow. HA. #AVFC #RangersFC
https://twitter.com/iammrazul/status/1458050034151346176
He's referring to a member of the royal family.
That's a blag account with a Russian singer as its profile picture.
Well that's something. I was about enter the stage of grief called 'at least he's not John Terry'.
You thought nothing of The Economist employing a "Head Of European Sport"? :)
1. I'm an idiot
2. I work with competitors of the Economist and you'd be amazed at how many staff they have in seemingly unrelated fields so I found the idea totally unsurprising
3. I'm an idiot
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 02:11:51 PM
Post by: Border villan on November 09, 2021, 02:13:08 PM
Seeing as Gerrard is clear favourite and, at least, being considered, according to all accounts, should we have a simple Gerrard Yes/No poll?
Yes and my vote is no.
Post by: Rory on November 09, 2021, 02:13:49 PM
Seeing as Gerrard is clear favourite and, at least, being considered, according to all accounts, should we have a simple Gerrard Yes/No poll?
Build it, and they will come.
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2021, 02:15:31 PM
Seeing as Gerrard is clear favourite and, at least, being considered, according to all accounts, should we have a simple Gerrard Yes/No poll?
Yes and my vote is no.
Yes, to this yes and no.
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 02:17:35 PM
But spurs had already interviewed him so the groundwork was done.The point is why were we not working on the replacement before firing Smith?
Because we're doing things properly? And we're hardly likely to approach a club with an incumbent manager about a vacancy we don't have.
If rumours are true, we did have an initial conversation with Fonseca, who is, of course out of work.
The only person who has any clue about who the manager(s) we are interested in is, and whether we've got them signed up, or have yet to pick up the phone, is Purslow. Everything else is pure speculation.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on November 09, 2021, 02:19:14 PM
But spurs had already interviewed him so the groundwork was done.The point is why were we not working on the replacement before firing Smith?
Because we're doing things properly? And we're hardly likely to approach a club with an incumbent manager about a vacancy we don't have.
If rumours are true, we did have an initial conversation with Fonseca, who is, of course out of work.
The only person who has any clue about who the manager(s) we are interested in is, and whether we've got them signed up, or have yet to pick up the phone, is Purslow. Everything else is pure speculation.
I'm still going to check inbound flights, restaurant reservations and estate agents in Sutton Coldfield though.
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2021, 02:21:37 PM
But spurs had already interviewed him so the groundwork was done.The point is why were we not working on the replacement before firing Smith?
Because we're doing things properly? And we're hardly likely to approach a club with an incumbent manager about a vacancy we don't have.
If rumours are true, we did have an initial conversation with Fonseca, who is, of course out of work.
The only person who has any clue about who the manager(s) we are interested in is, and whether we've got them signed up, or have yet to pick up the phone, is Purslow. Everything else is pure speculation.
Obviously, that's why I said 'If rumours are true'?
Post by: CT Villan on November 09, 2021, 02:22:14 PM
Post by: cannock villa on November 09, 2021, 02:22:42 PM
I'll keep an eye out at the BelfryBut spurs had already interviewed him so the groundwork was done.The point is why were we not working on the replacement before firing Smith?
Because we're doing things properly? And we're hardly likely to approach a club with an incumbent manager about a vacancy we don't have.
If rumours are true, we did have an initial conversation with Fonseca, who is, of course out of work.
The only person who has any clue about who the manager(s) we are interested in is, and whether we've got them signed up, or have yet to pick up the phone, is Purslow. Everything else is pure speculation.
I'm still going to check inbound flights, restaurant reservations and estate agents in Sutton Coldfield though.
Post by: andyh on November 09, 2021, 02:23:09 PM
I can’t keep up.
Post by: Dr Butler on November 09, 2021, 02:23:39 PM
I'm not sure if Andy was taking the piss as he usually thinks weirdly :)
UTV
The Doc
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 02:28:48 PM
So, is that ‘chief sports journalist from the Economist’ post a load of bollocks then?
I can’t keep up.
It seems so. My apologies for posting.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 09, 2021, 02:29:07 PM
I'm still going to check inbound flights, restaurant reservations and estate agents in Sutton Coldfield though.
Forget the Sutton estate agents, Slippy G has his family based in Liverpool.
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 02:30:46 PM
Finally - someone in the media talking some senseSimon Jordan talking sense:spot on.
Hot favourite Steven Gerrard is not ready for the Aston Villa job, according to pundit Simon Jordan.
The Rangers boss is the front-runner to succeed Dean Smith at Villa Park in what would be his first Premier League manager’s role, having led the Gers to the Scottish Premiership title last season.
It appears Gerrard would be a popular choice among fans, but former Crystal Palace owner Jordan believes Villa should be targeting a more established manager.
But he suspects Rangers will be powerless to prevent Gerrard moving on should he opt to return to the Premier League, where he achieved iconic status as a player.
“Gerrard will probably have a release clause [in his contract],” said Jordan on talkSPORT this morning.
“Rangers can play hard ball as much as they want but if there is a release clause in Steven Gerrard’s contract, which will be compensation-based, Rangers will be whistling down the wind about what they can and can’t do.
“For me, it would be a strange appointment because, despite his achievements in Scotland, we’re talking about a potentially good manager.
“We’re talking about a potential elite manager, a potential Premier League manager.
“And if Aston Villa want reality rather than potential, then then they should go for an established manager.
“If Tottenham [who have just hired Antonio Conte] are an elite club, then why can’t Aston Villa [be], with their wealth and ownership and the size and scale of their club.
“Gerrard is a great name on paper, Gerrard will give them recognisability.
“But the real pull will be winning games and being near the top of the Premier League.
“If they’re building a media business alongside the football operation, then I get the Gerrard equation.
“Villa are pushing to be an elite club now, which is the reason why they’ve taken Dean out.
“But if you’re going for Gerrard, you’re going for an element of potential. It worries me that it’s too early for Gerrard, he hasn’t finished the job at Rangers, and Villa is probably a job that requires a different set of hands.
“I think he is not at the level yet where he will take Villa to the level where they want to be at.”
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 02:31:03 PM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 09, 2021, 02:31:45 PM
my mate just Whatsapped me and said bring him home......he was talking about Olof MellbergYou just had to do it, didn't you!
I'm not sure if Andy was taking the piss as he usually thinks weirdly :)
UTV
The Doc
Olaf - Martin Laursen - Stiliyan and Juan Pablo - the dream team and you heard it here first
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 09, 2021, 02:33:46 PM
my mate just Whatsapped me and said bring him home......he was talking about Olof Mellberg
I'm not sure if Andy was taking the piss as he usually thinks weirdly :)
UTV
The Doc
If it’s Olaf or Gerrard I’d want Olaf even though it’s too soon for him.
Post by: brontebilly on November 09, 2021, 02:36:44 PM
Pretty sure O'Neill, for all his faults, isn't a Loyalist. If he wants to think of himself as British or Irish then he can. Suspect he would prefer the latter.
Loyal to himself
Definitely more of a mé feiner than a sinn feiner.
MONs record in Scotland was a lot more superior to Gerrard's too.
Post by: cannock villa on November 09, 2021, 02:37:45 PM
We know we have the players to be in a better position than we are. Gerrard is having a bad press on this thread but maybe he will bring fresh ideas and enthusiasm. He may not, but there is no guarantee any appointment.
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2021, 02:39:22 PM
Is Scouse actually nice? I'm not sure I've ever met someone who has eaten it.
There's a crude sex joke here for the taking if anyone wants to lower the tone.
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2021, 02:41:48 PM
my mate just Whatsapped me and said bring him home......he was talking about Olof Mellberg
I'm not sure if Andy was taking the piss as he usually thinks weirdly :)
UTV
The Doc
If it’s Olaf or Gerrard I’d want Olaf even though it’s too soon for him.
Olof!
Olaf is some living snowman character in Frozen. Trust me, I know.
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2021, 02:43:01 PM
Are we as fans too scared of what happened with the bad appointments of managers since O Neil upto Deano to see this rationally.
We know we have the players to be in a better position than we are. Gerrard is having a bad press on this thread but maybe he will bring fresh ideas and enthusiasm. He may not, but there is no guarantee any appointment.
Again this is true but part of getting things right is to judge them.
It's a gamble and, like any gamble, people who study and understand the game/sport and make decisions based statistics and experience win much more often than the people who pick a horse in the grand national because they like the name. The vast majority of people putting Gerrard forward are doing the latter.
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 02:44:46 PM
Is Scouse actually nice? I'm not sure I've ever met someone who has eaten it.
Yep, it's just a stew like Lancashire Hotpot. Nice and filling on a cold evening.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 09, 2021, 02:53:43 PM
Are we as fans too scared of what happened with the bad appointments of managers since O Neil upto Deano to see this rationally.
We know we have the players to be in a better position than we are. Gerrard is having a bad press on this thread but maybe he will bring fresh ideas and enthusiasm. He may not, but there is no guarantee any appointment.
Again this is true but part of getting things right is to judge them.
It's a gamble and, like any gamble, people who study and understand the game/sport and make decisions based statistics and experience win much more often than the people who pick a horse in the grand national because they like the name. The vast majority of people putting Gerrard forward are doing the latter.
It’s a gamble not sacking Dean, a gamble keeping him and a gamble whoever replaces him. The timing I think they’ve got right as far too often we have tended to hang in there.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 02:56:54 PM
Is Scouse actually nice? I'm not sure I've ever met someone who has eaten it.
Yep, it's just a stew like Lancashire Hotpot. Nice and filling on a cold evening.
I've always assumed (based on nothing) that it's sausage-based. Is it sausage based?
Another lowbrow joke has become available, but it's a genuine question!
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 02:57:25 PM
This feels like the very moment we realize that this whole period in our history is yet another false dawn.
If you look at all the good things this club has done over the past 3 years, the last 6 months will have undone a lot of them. It will have also undone a lot of the trust people have in CP and JL
I see this stalling our progress further. I really hope I'm wrong, but this is hugely disappointing from our club, who I finally thought knew better.
I hope we hold Steven to the same standards that we are led to believe, and if we don't finish top half he gets the boot.
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 02:58:42 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 09, 2021, 02:58:44 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 03:00:06 PM
The club is very obviously moving away from the old football manager way of doing things, which is why Smith was called "Head Coach" and why they've brought in the new fangled ideas people like Danks and MacPhee. My guess is that they think that somebody younger like Gerrard will be more receptive to that way of working.
His only experience is as an old-school, controls everything manager at Sevco though?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 09, 2021, 03:00:09 PM
I'm still going to check inbound flights, restaurant reservations and estate agents in Sutton Coldfield though.
Forget the Sutton estate agents, Slippy G has his family based in Liverpool.
I'm sure Chris Sutton estate agents would happily move him to Brum.
Post by: AV82EC on November 09, 2021, 03:01:05 PM
Purslow bringing in Gerrard would be like when Doug appointed DOL because they'd met previously at the airport.
This does have a whiff of the Ellisian about it.
Post by: Villan82 on November 09, 2021, 03:02:07 PM
He wasn't sacked because he wasn't in the top half, he was sacked because for 11 months we stopped progressing.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 09, 2021, 03:02:30 PM
Purslow bringing in Gerrard would be like when Doug appointed DOL because they'd met previously at the airport.
This does have a whiff of the Ellisian about it.
Hopefully more Elysian than Ellisian.
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 03:02:48 PM
Is Scouse actually nice? I'm not sure I've ever met someone who has eaten it.
Yep, it's just a stew like Lancashire Hotpot. Nice and filling on a cold evening.
I've always assumed (based on nothing) that it's sausage-based. Is it sausage based?
Another lowbrow joke has become available, but it's a genuine question!
Nope, it's pieces of lamb with slow-cooked veg like potatoes and carrots, in a stew/cassarole. Usually served with (pickled) red cabbage on the side. I'm certain that everybody would have had something similar in their lives at some point. We used to make a big saucepan full of stuff like that when I was at uni, as it was cheap and filling.
Post by: cannock villa on November 09, 2021, 03:03:45 PM
I'm hoping the calibre of players we have this time compared to the last relegation will be a big factor in us improving. There was much pleasure in seeing Arsenal struggling last season but in the end finished above us. Chelsea muddled along until they swapped Lampard with Tuchel then went on to win the Champions League with the same players.Are we as fans too scared of what happened with the bad appointments of managers since O Neil upto Deano to see this rationally.
We know we have the players to be in a better position than we are. Gerrard is having a bad press on this thread but maybe he will bring fresh ideas and enthusiasm. He may not, but there is no guarantee any appointment.
Again this is true but part of getting things right is to judge them.
It's a gamble and, like any gamble, people who study and understand the game/sport and make decisions based statistics and experience win much more often than the people who pick a horse in the grand national because they like the name. The vast majority of people putting Gerrard forward are doing the latter.
It’s a gamble not sacking Dean, a gamble keeping him and a gamble whoever replaces him. The timing I think they’ve got right as far too often we have tended to hang in there.
Post by: ozzjim on November 09, 2021, 03:05:37 PM
Is Scouse actually nice? I'm not sure I've ever met someone who has eaten it.
Yep, it's just a stew like Lancashire Hotpot. Nice and filling on a cold evening.
I've always assumed (based on nothing) that it's sausage-based. Is it sausage based?
Another lowbrow joke has become available, but it's a genuine question!
Nope, it's pieces of lamb with slow-cooked veg like potatoes and carrots, in a stew/cassarole. Usually served with (pickled) red cabbage on the side. I'm certain that everybody would have had something similar in their lives at some point. We used to make a big saucepan full of stuff like that when I was at uni, as it was cheap and filling.
I thought you were referring to Andrew Flintoff in your first post Risso.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 03:08:22 PM
Is Scouse actually nice? I'm not sure I've ever met someone who has eaten it.
Yep, it's just a stew like Lancashire Hotpot. Nice and filling on a cold evening.
I've always assumed (based on nothing) that it's sausage-based. Is it sausage based?
Another lowbrow joke has become available, but it's a genuine question!
Nope, it's pieces of lamb with slow-cooked veg like potatoes and carrots, in a stew/cassarole. Usually served with (pickled) red cabbage on the side. I'm certain that everybody would have had something similar in their lives at some point. We used to make a big saucepan full of stuff like that when I was at uni, as it was cheap and filling.
Sounds good!
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 03:08:56 PM
We all like Dean and wish it had worked out. He wasn't sacked because we weren't top half, he was sacked because we are averaging less than a point per game and were heading for the relegation zone if it continued. We have also had a poor 2018 overall with 18 defeats in 35.Agreed - and if the rest of the season, we don't see progress from where we are now to the top half, the same thing can be fairly landed at the new managers door
He wasn't sacked because he wasn't in the top half, he was sacked because for 11 months we stopped progressing.
Post by: AV82EC on November 09, 2021, 03:09:26 PM
Purslow bringing in Gerrard would be like when Doug appointed DOL because they'd met previously at the airport.
This does have a whiff of the Ellisian about it.
Hopefully more Elysian than Ellisian.
God, could two words be more poles apart in their meaning.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 09, 2021, 03:13:31 PM
2. I work with competitors of the Economist and you'd be amazed at how many staff they have in seemingly unrelated fields so I found the idea totally unsurprising
Tangent here, but The Economist employ a big tech team in Brum. Poached some of our staff recently.
Post by: Mister E on November 09, 2021, 03:13:35 PM
You're Bonzo Johnson, and I claim my £5.Purslow bringing in Gerrard would be like when Doug appointed DOL because they'd met previously at the airport.
This does have a whiff of the Ellisian about it.
Hopefully more Elysian than Ellisian.
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 03:19:13 PM
The club is very obviously moving away from the old football manager way of doing things, which is why Smith was called "Head Coach" and why they've brought in the new fangled ideas people like Danks and MacPhee. My guess is that they think that somebody younger like Gerrard will be more receptive to that way of working.
His only experience is as an old-school, controls everything manager at Sevco though?
I don't know. Looking at their wiki page, they have all sorts of technical sounding positions, like "Head of Performance Analysis", "Technical Coach", "Head of Preparation" etc so they may think that Gerrard is already working in the same sort of structure that they're trying to create.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 03:24:05 PM
The club is very obviously moving away from the old football manager way of doing things, which is why Smith was called "Head Coach" and why they've brought in the new fangled ideas people like Danks and MacPhee. My guess is that they think that somebody younger like Gerrard will be more receptive to that way of working.
His only experience is as an old-school, controls everything manager at Sevco though?
I don't know. Looking at their wiki page, they have all sorts of technical sounding positions, like "Head of Performance Analysis", "Technical Coach", "Head of Preparation" etc so they may think that Gerrard is already working in the same sort of structure that they're trying to create.
But he's above them in the hierarchy. That wouldn't be the case with Lange here.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 09, 2021, 03:25:36 PM
replies Nah
I said do you rate him .. he replies of course I do .
Well down here looks like hes coming .
He replies he aint going nowhere and If he goes there will be riots .
he said they have great results in Europe not that will bother Villa and the football is entertaining .
but as we know hes playing a few poor teams really.
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 03:28:10 PM
so my Glasgow mate rings me up . I obviously ask him , if he is going .
replies Nah
I said do you rate him .. he replies of course I do .
Well down here looks like hes coming .
He replies he aint going nowhere and If he goes there will be riots .
he said they have great results in Europe not that will bother Villa and the football is entertaining .
but as we know hes playing a few poor teams really.
Hmm what would be worse, appointing him, or him turning us down
Post by: ozzjim on November 09, 2021, 03:30:16 PM
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 03:34:31 PM
The club is very obviously moving away from the old football manager way of doing things, which is why Smith was called "Head Coach" and why they've brought in the new fangled ideas people like Danks and MacPhee. My guess is that they think that somebody younger like Gerrard will be more receptive to that way of working.
His only experience is as an old-school, controls everything manager at Sevco though?
I don't know. Looking at their wiki page, they have all sorts of technical sounding positions, like "Head of Performance Analysis", "Technical Coach", "Head of Preparation" etc so they may think that Gerrard is already working in the same sort of structure that they're trying to create.
But he's above them in the hierarchy. That wouldn't be the case with Lange here.
The've got a Sporting Director, Ross Wilson, who appears to be our version of Lange: https://rangers.vitalfootball.co.uk/rangers-transfers-ross-wilson-steven-gerrard/
The more you read into it, the more it looks a similar set up to Villa with how they're trying to replicate things from the first team down to the kids, and why Purslow probably thinks Gerrard would be a good fit.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 09, 2021, 03:40:50 PM
The club is very obviously moving away from the old football manager way of doing things, which is why Smith was called "Head Coach" and why they've brought in the new fangled ideas people like Danks and MacPhee. My guess is that they think that somebody younger like Gerrard will be more receptive to that way of working.
His only experience is as an old-school, controls everything manager at Sevco though?
I don't know. Looking at their wiki page, they have all sorts of technical sounding positions, like "Head of Performance Analysis", "Technical Coach", "Head of Preparation" “ Marching co-ordinator” etc so they may think that Gerrard is already working in the same sort of structure that they're trying to create.
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 09, 2021, 03:42:30 PM
Just no. No. No no no no no.
No.
Post by: john e on November 09, 2021, 03:42:31 PM
I agree with him,
Chance in a lifetime to get it right and we’ve got Purslow the fucking fanboy
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 03:43:13 PM
Post by: john2710 on November 09, 2021, 03:43:32 PM
Every name in the hat will have question marks against them. I want someone as ambitious as we are, who wants to provide entertainment, develop the young players & can see the bloody obvious.
Whoever we get, I trust the club to get it right & we need to back him too.
Post by: Villan82 on November 09, 2021, 03:45:06 PM
Depressing, in 2021, to see them referring to journalists, opponents etc as 'Tims'.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 09, 2021, 03:56:20 PM
There's no outstanding candidate's & even if there was who's to say they wouldn't end up being shite. There were plenty of people looking at Lambert & thinking he was a perfect fit for us. Personally I never thought Smith was the right man for the job but he proved me wrong, until he hit his ceiling.
Every name in the hat will have question marks against them. I want someone as ambitious as we are, who wants to provide entertainment, develop the young players & can see the bloody obvious.
Whoever we get, I trust the club to get it right & we need to back him too.
Well said!
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 03:57:48 PM
The club is very obviously moving away from the old football manager way of doing things, which is why Smith was called "Head Coach" and why they've brought in the new fangled ideas people like Danks and MacPhee. My guess is that they think that somebody younger like Gerrard will be more receptive to that way of working.
His only experience is as an old-school, controls everything manager at Sevco though?
I don't know. Looking at their wiki page, they have all sorts of technical sounding positions, like "Head of Performance Analysis", "Technical Coach", "Head of Preparation" etc so they may think that Gerrard is already working in the same sort of structure that they're trying to create.
But he's above them in the hierarchy. That wouldn't be the case with Lange here.
The've got a Sporting Director, Ross Wilson, who appears to be our version of Lange: https://rangers.vitalfootball.co.uk/rangers-transfers-ross-wilson-steven-gerrard/
The more you read into it, the more it looks a similar set up to Villa with how they're trying to replicate things from the first team down to the kids, and why Purslow probably thinks Gerrard would be a good fit.
I knew I'd be wrong about that when I posted! I know eff all about that former club. I am re-entering the 'at least he's not John Terry' stage of grief.
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 03:58:17 PM
Post by: Bobby Boy on November 09, 2021, 04:04:16 PM
Well, from what I’ve been told you can lay the shit out of Gerrard on Betfair as someone I know fairly well connected says whilst he’s on a shortlist the indications are he’s committed to Rangers until at least end of season. Smart money, in his opinion, should be for Potter (hence I’ve stuck £30 on it at 16’s)
I hope it is Potter. He's done brilliantly at Swansea and Brighton in view of the limited budgets he's had at his disposal and got them both playing good football.
I feel more sure that we'd enjoy watching a Villa team managed by Potter than anyone else mentioned so far.
Oh, and he's a Villa fan.....
Post by: LeeB on November 09, 2021, 04:06:10 PM
Yep, agreed, though I don't think a sacking would be enough. If Gerrard fails, Purslow has to pay the same way that Thomas Cromwell paid for recommending Anne of Cleves.
Faceth liketh a bag of spaneth.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 09, 2021, 04:10:02 PM
Like Big Ron. His first game for us as manager was against his old club (Sheffield Wednesday) as well!Well, from what I’ve been told you can lay the shit out of Gerrard on Betfair as someone I know fairly well connected says whilst he’s on a shortlist the indications are he’s committed to Rangers until at least end of season. Smart money, in his opinion, should be for Potter (hence I’ve stuck £30 on it at 16’s)
I hope it is Potter. He's done brilliantly at Swansea and Brighton in view of the limited budgets he's had at his disposal and got them both playing good football.
I feel more sure that we'd enjoy watching a Villa team managed by Potter than anyone else mentioned so far.
Oh, and he's a Villa fan.....
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 04:10:11 PM
Post by: Monty on November 09, 2021, 04:11:37 PM
Post by: Rory on November 09, 2021, 04:13:25 PM
I would fellate all your dads for Potter right now in the face of all this Gerrard bullshit.
What about my uncle?
Post by: LeeB on November 09, 2021, 04:13:33 PM
Anne of Cleves inspired Gegenpressing, as when she pressed against him Henry thought 'I'm gegen the fuck outta here.'
She was the medial equivalent of signing a player because of their YouTube highlights.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 04:15:34 PM
I would fellate all your dads for Potter right now in the face of all this Gerrard bullshit.
What about my uncle?
Hahahahaha
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 04:25:10 PM
I would fellate all your dads for Potter right now in the face of all this Gerrard bullshit.He said he’s alright thanks
Post by: OCD on November 09, 2021, 04:26:22 PM
Post by: Ian. on November 09, 2021, 04:27:45 PM
Could it be the old trick of leaking out a candidate's name, one that is known wouldn't be popular so that anyone else sounds like a better option.
Or it could be the trick our current Government do, release a statement, see if there is backlash and make a quick u-turn
Post by: TonyD on November 09, 2021, 04:27:54 PM
Post by: TonyD on November 09, 2021, 04:28:48 PM
So Parslow if you are reading this we don’t want SG.Could it be the old trick of leaking out a candidate's name, one that is known wouldn't be popular so that anyone else sounds like a better option.
Or it could be the trick our current Government do, release a statement, see if there is backlash and make a quick u-turn
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 04:30:33 PM
I would fellate all your dads for Potter right now in the face of all this Gerrard bullshit.He said he’s alright thanks
He doesn't know what he's missing. I assume.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 04:30:37 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2021, 04:34:45 PM
Post by: NorthYvillan on November 09, 2021, 04:36:09 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 09, 2021, 04:37:53 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2021, 04:42:18 PM
He & Purslow don't get on.
Ah yes, of course! I'd forgotten about that. I just think he'd be receptive to a move soon!
Post by: JB1811 on November 09, 2021, 04:47:41 PM
I hope it is Potter. He's done brilliantly at Swansea and Brighton in view of the limited budgets he's had at his disposal and got them both playing good football.
I feel more sure that we'd enjoy watching a Villa team managed by Potter than anyone else mentioned so far.
Oh, and he's a Villa fan.....
Is this the same Potter who hasn't won a game in his last 7 matches??
Post by: villa for life on November 09, 2021, 04:49:57 PM
Post by: steamer on November 09, 2021, 04:50:52 PM
He has done well on a limited budget in the premiership
If you want to take the next step we should not be looking at development opportunities , I have spent 50 years plus (excluding, Ron, SGT etc) with that shit
Look at the last ten years
I want someone with experience and a track record of success, There has to be another Tuchel etc out there , get the fucker in
Brighton have not won for 7 games, if that was us we would be asking to sack the manager
Post by: villadelph on November 09, 2021, 04:51:10 PM
Post by: brian green on November 09, 2021, 04:53:44 PM
Post by: brian green on November 09, 2021, 04:56:13 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2021, 05:09:00 PM
Male or female I should add.
No need to add Brian.
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 05:10:48 PM
Yes, Male, Female or Brian would be strangeMale or female I should add.
No need to add Brian.
Post by: Stu on November 09, 2021, 05:23:38 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/k5Sd4KC/Lol.png) (https://ibb.co/k5Sd4KC)
Nice meltdown.
Post by: Stu on November 09, 2021, 05:25:35 PM
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 05:26:28 PM
Went looking through a Rangers forum to see what they make of Gerrard coming here, as you do:
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Nice meltdown.
Why would you do that to yourself?!
A "Rangers" forum would be like SHA wearing knuckledusters. And it's wearing them, not you.
Post by: Monty on November 09, 2021, 05:27:48 PM
Post by: Stu on November 09, 2021, 05:28:27 PM
Went looking through a Rangers forum to see what they make of Gerrard coming here, as you do:
(https://i.ibb.co/k5Sd4KC/Lol.png) (https://ibb.co/k5Sd4KC)
Nice meltdown.
Why would you do that to yourself?!
A "Rangers" forum would be like SHA wearing knuckledusters. And it's wearing them, not you.
To be fair, a lot of other posters have said this guy is talking bollocks but it isn't a lone view either.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 05:29:55 PM
Also seems our nearest and dearest have been signing up, living out their fever dreams:
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Well, you did it to yourself, and you've actually provided a silver lining to this saga. If we take him we'll pissing them right off. That is a sizeable crumb of comfort. And they could then employ John Terry. A match made in Hades.
Post by: Stu on November 09, 2021, 05:32:46 PM
Well, you did it to yourself, and you've actually provided a silver lining to this saga. If we take him we'll pissing them right off. That is a sizeable crumb of comfort. And they could then employ John Terry. A match made in Hades.
That is the only positive outcome and perhaps, on some subconscious level, I felt the need to make myself feel better about it if it pisses off Rangers fans.
Post by: Stu on November 09, 2021, 05:36:37 PM
OGS got Cardiff relegated and three years later he was managing Man U.
Post by: LeeB on November 09, 2021, 05:37:15 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 05:48:39 PM
The thing that makes me feel worse, is all the people that seem to back want him on-line have pretty shit reasoning.
Things like - "he won't tolerate errors". I think that's bollock's - "you fucked up their Ollie, so now were playing Davis upfront next game"? I can't believe any manager tiolerates errors, but ultimately you're limited by the ability of the players
And people quoting his possession stats - of course Ranges have better possession stats - their playing in a league where Scott Sinclair looked like Pele.
If he comes in, ill obviously support him, but it feels like a massive opportunity missed - and our acceptance of our place. If Spurs can get Conte, we can surely get someone who has down well in a big league
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 05:50:34 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 09, 2021, 05:56:28 PM
Could it be the old trick of leaking out a candidate's name, one that is known wouldn't be popular so that anyone else sounds like a better option.
Or it could be the trick our current Government do, release a statement, see if there is backlash and make a quick u-turn
Speaking of which it wouldn't be the first time the good people of H&V were out of step with the popular mood.
Post by: Rory on November 09, 2021, 06:03:30 PM
Well, you did it to yourself, and you've actually provided a silver lining to this saga. If we take him we'll pissing them right off. That is a sizeable crumb of comfort. And they could then employ John Terry. A match made in Hades.
That is the only positive outcome and perhaps, on some subconscious level, I felt the need to make myself feel better about it if it pisses off Rangers fans.
Maybe we could tempt Gerrard to resign, and then not appoint him. Fucking Govan troglodytes.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 06:05:44 PM
The speculation on that forum is if prince stevie gets the Villa job and fucks it up, it'll scupper his chances of ever landing the Liverpool job
Surely he has to try, though? Stay at "Rangers" and they won't give him the job because they considered Sounness a failure.
Post by: KevinGage on November 09, 2021, 06:08:38 PM
But would be a more popular choice than Gerrard.
Or young, eh, English coach Nestor El Maestro who's currently out in Turkey with Göztepe.
The future Potter - with an infinitely cooler name.
Post by: nigel on November 09, 2021, 06:11:35 PM
Well, you did it to yourself, and you've actually provided a silver lining to this saga. If we take him we'll pissing them right off. That is a sizeable crumb of comfort. And they could then employ John Terry. A match made in Hades.
That is the only positive outcome and perhaps, on some subconscious level, I felt the need to make myself feel better about it if it pisses off Rangers fans.
Maybe we could tempt Gerrard to resign, and then not appoint him. Fucking Govan troglodytes.
Didn’t that happen with Mark Hughes?
Resigned from Fulham, thinking he was coming to us, then we appointed someone else
Post by: Rory on November 09, 2021, 06:12:07 PM
Adolf Hutter at Monchengladbach might divide opinion (and other things).
I had to look that up to check you weren't joking. Unsurprisingly he goes by 'Adi'.
Post by: Stu on November 09, 2021, 06:12:21 PM
The speculation on that forum is if prince stevie gets the Villa job and fucks it up, it'll scupper his chances of ever landing the Liverpool job
Surely he has to try, though? Stay at "Rangers" and they won't give him the job because they considered Sounness a failure.
Another prevailing opinion on the forum is that Gerrard would be trading consistent European football for bumbling around in mid-table with the Villa, never doing much. They don't see us as a club that will get anywhere basically. Ofc, this misses out the logical step of it being beneficial to his career if he were to get us into Europe. They're not considering that because they don't want him to go.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 06:12:47 PM
Adolf Hutter at Monchengladbach might divide opinion (and other things).
But would be a more popular choice than Gerrard.
Or young, eh, English coach Nestor El Maestro who's currently out in Turkey with Göztepe.
The future Potter - with an infinitely cooler name.
It tells you something that getting Adolf H. from Germany feels a more attractive option than Gerrard.
Post by: algy on November 09, 2021, 06:14:40 PM
I had to check that too.Adolf Hutter at Monchengladbach might divide opinion (and other things).
I had to look that up to check you weren't joking. Unsurprisingly he goes by 'Adi'.
He'd put the fear of god in to Mateusz Cashki.
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 06:15:13 PM
Adolf Hutter at Monchengladbach might divide opinion (and other things).
But would be a more popular choice than Gerrard.
Or young, eh, English coach Nestor El Maestro who's currently out in Turkey with Göztepe.
The future Potter - with an infinitely cooler name.
Adolf and Goosestepper, thought you were taking the piss!
Post by: PeterWithe on November 09, 2021, 06:17:45 PM
Went looking through a Rangers forum to see what they make of Gerrard coming here, as you do:
(https://i.ibb.co/k5Sd4KC/Lol.png) (https://ibb.co/k5Sd4KC)
Nice meltdown.
There is some very strange reasoning going on in that thread, a lot of them seem stuck in 90s when half the England team played for them.
If anyone at all in the PL wanted him I’d expect him to have his head turned as, despite them being a huge club, they are hamstrung by the league they are in and cannon fodder every year in Europe. I’d be really surprised if Liverpool appointed him without a step between.
But its still a no from me anyway.
Post by: KevinGage on November 09, 2021, 06:20:51 PM
As opposed to the ridicule that comes with the Stevie G freakshow, and every bastard press conference being dominated by what the Redscouse are currently doing and his helpful opinions on that.
I don't see any similar club of our size (or smaller, for that matter) in this division being so desperate for insta likes and Sky Sports coverage that they go this route.
Bristol City or Wigan, maybe. Not Villa.
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 06:25:08 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2021, 06:28:21 PM
Does he mention Liverpool a lot now as manager of Rangers? Genuine question, as I've no idea.
You like him don't you? You want him to come don't you?
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 06:29:15 PM
Does he mention Liverpool a lot now as manager of Rangers? Genuine question, as I've no idea.He still wears his Liverpool shirt in training I've heard.
Post by: Rory on November 09, 2021, 06:30:58 PM
Went looking through a Rangers forum to see what they make of Gerrard coming here, as you do:
(https://i.ibb.co/k5Sd4KC/Lol.png) (https://ibb.co/k5Sd4KC)
Nice meltdown.
There is some very strange reasoning going on in that thread, a lot of them seem stuck in 90s when half the England team played for them.
If anyone at all in the PL wanted him I’d expect him to have his head turned as, despite them being a huge club, they are hamstrung by the league they are in and cannon fodder every year in Europe. I’d be really surprised if Liverpool appointed him without a step between.
But its still a no from me anyway.
They are indeed a huge club. I've heard they're very thankful to one chap who has really helped to expand their fanbase in the US through some low key but countrywide organisation he runs that is sympathetic to Rangers' ethos and founding principles.
David Duke, I think it is.
Until recently, had some friends in high places, so I'm told.
Post by: john e on November 09, 2021, 06:31:12 PM
Does he mention Liverpool a lot now as manager of Rangers? Genuine question, as I've no idea.He still wears his Liverpool shirt in training I've heard.
And belts out YNWA in the dressing room before every game
Apparently
Post by: Vegas on November 09, 2021, 06:32:38 PM
If Gerrard comes off we’ll have bagged Roy Keane, John Terry, Gerrard, DO’L and, err, Pires) from the Teams above us that year
Post by: KevinGage on November 09, 2021, 06:33:47 PM
Rangers are the big cheese up there and the press pack in chilly Jocko land usually focus on the title race there and the rivalry with Celtic, from what I can gather.
Whereas the rotters down here will be peppering him with questions about Mo Salah's contract situation, that night in Istanbul and Klopp's formidable dental work.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 09, 2021, 06:34:12 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 09, 2021, 06:34:13 PM
And belts out YNWA in the dressing room before every game
Apparently
It's now a popular song around Ibrox.
Apparently.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 06:35:09 PM
Maybe we’re just getting revenge for the year 2000. We seem to be working our way through the main men from the 5 teams who finished above us in the 2000 league table.
If Gerrard comes off we’ll have bagged Roy Keane, John Terry, Gerrard, DO’L and, err, Pires) from the Teams above us that year
You've forgotten the key piece in the Arsenal title jigsaw, Stuart Taylor.
Post by: PeterWithe on November 09, 2021, 06:37:42 PM
Post by: john e on November 09, 2021, 06:39:45 PM
Proper Warnock moaning as well complaining like fuck especially if the result had gone against
Honestly came over as a total whining entitled nob
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 06:41:09 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 09, 2021, 06:41:10 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 09, 2021, 06:44:33 PM
Maybe we’re just getting revenge for the year 2000. We seem to be working our way through the main men from the 5 teams who finished above us in the 2000 league table.
If Gerrard comes off we’ll have bagged Roy Keane, John Terry, Gerrard, DO’L and, err, Pires) from the Teams above us that year
Death Sack Race 2000
Post by: ozzjim on November 09, 2021, 06:47:37 PM
Post by: Rory on November 09, 2021, 06:52:26 PM
Most of the time I saw him he was moaning about the ref And decisions
Proper Warnock moaning as well complaining like fuck especially if the result had gone against
Honestly came over as a total whining entitled nob
Sounds like he's changed completely from his playing days then.
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 09, 2021, 06:53:44 PM
Post by: ozzjim on November 09, 2021, 08:03:57 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 08:08:08 PM
Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
Steven Gerrard is interested in being Aston Villa's next manager, with the ambitious Midlands club set to make an official approach to Rangers.
Telegraph Sport understands Villa have made background checks on Gerrard and his potential staff, with the former England and Liverpool captain ready to speak with the club if Rangers grant permission
Gerrard is under contract until 2024 at Ibrox and the new deal, signed in December 2019, is understood to include a clause of £2 million plus, but compensation will not be a problem for Villa's owners Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens.
As Telegraph Sport reported on Sunday, Gerrard was the club’s first choice ahead of Southampton manager Ralph Hasenhuttl and fills the criteria of the big-name manager whom Villa’s ambitious owners see as a fitting figurehead for their project.
On Monday, the club’s chief executive Christian Purslow addressed the Villa players who had not gone away on international duty at the club’s training ground and told them that the new manager would be in place in time for the following Monday. The club want a big name and a strong character and want that individual to make Villa a challenging and intense environment for the players.
Gerrard led Rangers to the Scottish Premiership title last season and was not planning to leave the club mid-season, but the lure of a big Premier League job is giving Villa encouragement of agreeing a deal. Villa are likely to also move for Gerrard's assistants Gary McAllister and Michael Beale if, as expected, talks are successful.
McAllister has previously worked at Villa under Gerard Houllier, while Beale was on Cardiff City's shortlist for their vacant manager's job, and the pair's roles in transforming Rangers have also been crucial.
The Belgium manager Roberto Martinez, formerly at Swansea City, Wigan Athletic and Everton, is another who has been under consideration by Villa. His side play their last World Cup qualifiers against Estonia on Saturday and then three days later in Cardiff on Tuesday against Wales.
Martinez is understood to be a realistic alternative if Villa fail to persuade Gerrard to succeed Dean Smith, who was sacked on Sunday after five defeats in a row.
Should Villa appoint Gerrard, it represents the next step in a hitherto steep rise in his coaching career. From taking over Liverpool Under-18s in 2017 to his part in the renaissance of Rangers, who won their 55th Scottish league title under him last year – blocking rivals Celtic from making it ten in a row over an unbeaten season.
The Denmark manager Kasper Hjulmand had earlier ruled himself out of contention. The 49-year-old’s team have qualified for next year’s World Cup finals without losing a game. He was part of a Danish football federation that recently visited the training ground as guests of sporting director Johan Lange.
Hjalmund said: “I'm happy to be the Danish national coach, and I'm not going anywhere right now. I think I have only just started and I am in the process of finding out what this team can do.
“I love the job. For me, it is a big challenge to see how far we can go. How well we can get to play because we have a very exciting team with great potential.”
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 08:08:47 PM
Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 08:10:22 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 09, 2021, 08:21:56 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 08:23:33 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
Post by: The Edge on November 09, 2021, 08:28:19 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 08:28:46 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If appointed he deserves a chance and given the same opportunities and respect as smith has.
It wouldnt be the best appointment but not the worst either
Post by: jwarry on November 09, 2021, 08:28:51 PM
Is that implying Dean wasn’t doing that? Did they think he was too pally with the players?!?
Post by: gpbarr on November 09, 2021, 08:30:13 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 08:33:47 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
How can you have that attitude. Its unbelievable.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 09, 2021, 08:33:50 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
The club's history is still illustrious. Steven effing Gerrard can't change that.
Post by: Steve67 on November 09, 2021, 08:38:11 PM
“The club want a big name and a strong character and want that individual to make Villa a challenging and intense environment for the players.”
Is that implying Dean wasn’t doing that? Did they think he was too pally with the players?!?
I always felt that Dean was too soft on the players. No evidence whatsoever to be fair, on my part.
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 08:43:14 PM
If he was any good he would have been linked to the Spurs job.
Like I say hope I am wrong - but to lose Dean because he wasn't achieving the owner's ambitions is fine - but I don't see how Gerrard is any better positioned to do it
Call it out for what it is - this is a PR gamble, and shows how small time we actually are.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 09, 2021, 08:43:44 PM
He' won't last 18 months, and he'll never be Liverpool manager.
Post by: tomd2103 on November 09, 2021, 08:53:54 PM
Yes “big name manager” isn’t really true is it.
He is a 'big name' though in the Sky Sports and tabloid world. If it happens, it will generate a lot of interest and on a global scale as well I would have thought.
I agree with those saying it would be hard to argue that Steven Gerrard is a step up in calibre of manager from Dean Smith. It would therefore raise the question of whether sacking DS was necessary at this point if a significantly better candidate isn't going to be brought in.
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 08:56:30 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 08:57:41 PM
Whole thing smacks of improving the corporate image of the club, rather than the resultsYes “big name manager” isn’t really true is it.
He is a 'big name' though in the Sky Sports and tabloid world. If it happens, it will generate a lot of interest and on a global scale as well I would have thought.
I agree with those saying it would be hard to argue that Steven Gerrard is a step up in calibre of manager from Dean Smith. It would therefore raise the question of whether sacking DS was necessary at this point if a significantly better candidate isn't going to be brought in.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 09, 2021, 08:57:47 PM
Not as much as we laugh at them, though! :DI think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 08:58:28 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
Post by: gpbarr on November 09, 2021, 08:59:47 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
No wonder they laugh when we appoint the latest chancer
Post by: LukeJames on November 09, 2021, 09:01:53 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 09, 2021, 09:02:17 PM
Post by: jwarry on November 09, 2021, 09:03:01 PM
I think our concern is that he is unproven and that is all. After Dean we all feel we need a world class experienced coach but don’t forget we have Dean a chance who didn’t exactly win a lot himself!
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 09:03:44 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 09, 2021, 09:05:24 PM
Better change the club crest to SGAV FC, then, on all the club merchandise.
He' won't last 18 months, and he'll never be Liverpool manager.
We can also change the L in Villa to learner plates.
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 09:10:11 PM
I think that's some of the reason why I am against this - it feels like starstruck bollocks.
If he's not Stevie G, we wouldn't look at him. If a player comes her cos they want to work under Stevie G, but not Deano - then they can fuck off we don't need players like that
Post by: BC Villain on November 09, 2021, 09:12:56 PM
Yes “big name manager” isn’t really true is it.
He is a 'big name' though in the Sky Sports and tabloid world. If it happens, it will generate a lot of interest and on a global scale as well I would have thought.
I agree with those saying it would be hard to argue that Steven Gerrard is a step up in calibre of manager from Dean Smith. It would therefore raise the question of whether sacking DS was necessary at this point if a significantly better candidate isn't going to be brought in.
Surely if you sack a manager, you look to bring in someone better, not because its a more glamorous name? The whole thing smacks of Purslow autograph hunting again. He MUST know that he has to get this right, otherwise NSWE will be looking at his position as well.
Post by: Gary Penrice on November 09, 2021, 09:14:12 PM
After years of success at B6 & when Jurgen moves upstairs,Gerrard who is now Villa's most successful manager decides to make the long anticipated move to Anfield.
Villa now looking for a new manager look to the man who's just secured 10 in a row at Ibrox.....Deano returns to a heroes welcome & carries on where Gerrard left off!
Post by: john e on November 09, 2021, 09:14:48 PM
I doubt very much anyone else has even been considered past a few mentions in the press
Short list my arse
he’s probably had this in mind for a while and this is on him
Good or bad it’s on him
Post by: Des Little on November 09, 2021, 09:15:29 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 09:15:47 PM
I've changed my mind,I now can't wait to see Gerrard holding aloft the scarf. I also want to see Deano move in the opposite direction to Ibrox.
After years of success at B6 & when Jurgen moves upstairs,Gerrard who is now Villa's most successful manager decides to make the long anticipated move to Anfield.
Villa now looking for a new manager look to the man who's just secured 10 in a row at Ibrox.....Deano returns to a heroes welcome & carries on where Gerrard left off!
Are you or your family from Glasgow? Just curious as to what attracted you to them.
Post by: john e on November 09, 2021, 09:16:14 PM
I've changed my mind,I now can't wait to see Gerrard holding aloft the scarf. I also want to see Deano move in the opposite direction to Ibrox.
After years of success at B6 & when Jurgen moves upstairs,Gerrard who is now Villa's most successful manager decides to make the long anticipated move to Anfield.
Villa now looking for a new manager look to the man who's just secured 10 in a row at Ibrox.....Deano returns to a heroes welcome & carries on where Gerrard left off!
Stay away from them shrooms mate no good for ya
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 09, 2021, 09:17:04 PM
I've changed my mind,I now can't wait to see Gerrard holding aloft the scarf. I also want to see Deano move in the opposite direction to Ibrox.Brilliant.
After years of success at B6 & when Jurgen moves upstairs,Gerrard who is now Villa's most successful manager decides to make the long anticipated move to Anfield.
Villa now looking for a new manager look to the man who's just secured 10 in a row at Ibrox.....Deano returns to a heroes welcome & carries on where Gerrard left off!
I'm just hoping I'm around to see that!
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 09:17:25 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
Post by: Dave P on November 09, 2021, 09:18:38 PM
Adolf Hutter at Monchengladbach might divide opinion (and other things).
I had to look that up to check you weren't joking. Unsurprisingly he goes by 'Adi'.
And I imagine Paul Pot is at Mainz and Harold Shipmann is at Union Berlin?
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 09, 2021, 09:19:02 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 09:21:35 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
I can support the team without supporting the manager.
Will you be singing "Stevie G, he's won more than you"?
Post by: OCD on November 09, 2021, 09:22:10 PM
Post by: LukeJames on November 09, 2021, 09:23:06 PM
Post by: john e on November 09, 2021, 09:23:10 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
It’s a early to be going with the better fan than you bullshit
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 09, 2021, 09:23:18 PM
Post by: Clive W on November 09, 2021, 09:24:54 PM
Someone in the last few days has said that Dean Smith, and to an extent Jack gave Villa an authenticityTrying to make sense of your last paragraph. Are you saying that if Gerrard is appointed, does well, and come the transfer window signs a top class DM, you will tell that player to “fuck off”?
I think that's some of the reason why I am against this - it feels like starstruck bollocks.
If he's not Stevie G, we wouldn't look at him. If a player comes her cos they want to work under Stevie G, but not Deano - then they can fuck off we don't need players like that
Interesting
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 09:26:35 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
I can support the team without supporting the manager.
Will you be singing "Stevie G, he's won more than you"?
I dont even know what that means but ill be supporting him or whoever is appointed as vllia manager 100%. I backed bruce and mcleish too who were even worse than gerrard.
He deserves a chance and the majority will back him thankfully not like a couple hundred on here.
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 09, 2021, 09:27:28 PM
I think we’ve (Purslow) only been interested in Gerard
I doubt very much anyone else has even been considered past a few mentions in the press
Short list my arse
he’s probably had this in mind for a while and this is on him
Good or bad it’s on him
All true.
I cant help thinking back to when Bruce was sacked and the whole seeming fawning after Thierry Henry. Purslow likes his vanity projects seemingly, Henry clearly fecked us out of it rather than us deciding Dean was a better option. That and now this really brings into question Purslows judgement.
Maybe this will somehow work out and lots of us will eat humble pie, i hope so as i want Villa to be successful, despite his ‘name’, this all just feels like an incredible let down and very small time. I wonder if he has any concept of how popular Smith was and the big shoes he has to fill. All a bit depressing.
Post by: Clampy on November 09, 2021, 09:28:04 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 09:28:11 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
I can support the team without supporting the manager.
Will you be singing "Stevie G, he's won more than you"?
I dont even know what that means but ill be supporting him or whoever is appointed as vllia manager 100%. I backed bruce and mcleish too who were even worse than gerrard.
He deserves a chance and the majority will back him thankfully not like a couple hundred on here.
He doesn't deserve a chance. He shouldn't be given one of the biggest jobs in English football and paid millions of pounds for the privilege.
Somebody better qualified deserves that chance.
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 09:28:41 PM
No what I mean is if playing for Villa isn't a bigger draw for him than playing for Stevie G, he can fuck off.Someone in the last few days has said that Dean Smith, and to an extent Jack gave Villa an authenticityTrying to make sense of your last paragraph. Are you saying that if Gerrard is appointed, does well, and come the transfer window signs a top class DM, you will tell that player to “fuck off”?
I think that's some of the reason why I am against this - it feels like starstruck bollocks.
If he's not Stevie G, we wouldn't look at him. If a player comes her cos they want to work under Stevie G, but not Deano - then they can fuck off we don't need players like that
Interesting
And TBF, surely its lange that would sign the DM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 09:28:41 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
It’s a early to be going with the better fan than you bullshit
What better fan bullshit?
Dont talk bollocks mate i am just saying how i will bs with the new manager point to me where i have said i am a better fan than anyone else?
Post by: john e on November 09, 2021, 09:29:05 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
I can support the team without supporting the manager.
Will you be singing "Stevie G, he's won more than you"?
I dont even know what that means but ill be supporting him or whoever is appointed as vllia manager 100%. I backed bruce and mcleish too who were even worse than gerrard.
He deserves a chance and the majority will back him thankfully not like a couple hundred on here.
Unfortunately that couple of hundred on here were 100% right about Bruce and McLeish
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 09:30:49 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
I can support the team without supporting the manager.
Will you be singing "Stevie G, he's won more than you"?
I dont even know what that means but ill be supporting him or whoever is appointed as vllia manager 100%. I backed bruce and mcleish too who were even worse than gerrard.
He deserves a chance and the majority will back him thankfully not like a couple hundred on here.
Unfortunately that couple of hundred on here were 100% right about Bruce and McLeish
I think everyone on the planet knew mcleish wouldnt work out! But i still gave him.a chance
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 09:31:20 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
It’s a early to be going with the better fan than you bullshit
What better fan bullshit?
Dont talk bollocks mate i am just saying how i will bs with tbe new manager point to me where i have said i am a bettee fan than anyone else?
About your last ten posts have all been of the "I'm a better fan than those who don't want to cheer for Steven Gerrard" variety.
For what it's worth, if we are talking "better fans", I prefer those that don't applaud it when the club acts like starstruck teenagers when they should be pulling out all the stops to get the best candidate possible.
Post by: Clive W on November 09, 2021, 09:31:46 PM
I'll be honest, i'm not jumping up and down at the thought of him possibly coming in but I'll get behind him and I hope he does a bloody good job. Isn't that what it's all about?
It should be Clampy but unfortunately it looks as if we are in the minority.
The apparent determination to see Gerrard fail is quite discouraging
Post by: Des Little on November 09, 2021, 09:32:04 PM
No more mega quotes please
Post by: john e on November 09, 2021, 09:32:14 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
I can support the team without supporting the manager.
Will you be singing "Stevie G, he's won more than you"?
I dont even know what that means but ill be supporting him or whoever is appointed as vllia manager 100%. I backed bruce and mcleish too who were even worse than gerrard.
He deserves a chance and the majority will back him thankfully not like a couple hundred on here.
Unfortunately that couple of hundred on here were 100% right about Bruce and McLeish
I think everyone on the planet knew mcleish wouldnt work out! But i still gave him.a chance
Most on here will give him a chance because we’re football fans umbrella fans and that’s what we do we have no choice
He will get a chance but he doesn’t deserve one imo
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 09:32:54 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
I can support the team without supporting the manager.
Will you be singing "Stevie G, he's won more than you"?
I dont even know what that means but ill be supporting him or whoever is appointed as vllia manager 100%. I backed bruce and mcleish too who were even worse than gerrard.
He deserves a chance and the majority will back him thankfully not like a couple hundred on here.
He doesn't deserve a chance. He shouldn't be given one of the biggest jobs in English football and paid millions of pounds for the privilege.
Somebody better qualified deserves that chance.
But this is the point. We aren’t one of the biggest jobs in English football. We haven’t been one of the biggest jobs in English football for an incredibly long time.
Post by: Clampy on November 09, 2021, 09:33:10 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
I can support the team without supporting the manager.
Will you be singing "Stevie G, he's won more than you"?
He can sing what he likes, within reason.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 09:34:37 PM
Post by: Ads on November 09, 2021, 09:34:40 PM
Whoever it may be, they get a chance and they get unconditional support.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 09:35:07 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
I can support the team without supporting the manager.
Will you be singing "Stevie G, he's won more than you"?
He can sing what he likes, within reason.
Sure, but he's the one lecturing other people for not singing for the new manager.
Post by: john e on November 09, 2021, 09:35:16 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
I can support the team without supporting the manager.
Will you be singing "Stevie G, he's won more than you"?
He can sing what he likes, within reason.
He can sing what he likes
He can sing what he likes
Within reason
He can sing what he likes
I think that could catch on
Post by: algy on November 09, 2021, 09:35:29 PM
Simon Jordan says we should be going for the Ajax manager. That would do.I agree with Simon Jordan, not for the first time. Seems a good sort.
Post by: London Villan on November 09, 2021, 09:35:44 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 09, 2021, 09:36:02 PM
It’s just a really underwhelming appointment if true, another missed opportunity and an unnecessary gamble. I predict we will be back here in 18 months, slightly poorer but hopefully still in this league.
Post by: nodge on November 09, 2021, 09:36:12 PM
Post by: LukeJames on November 09, 2021, 09:36:28 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 09:37:47 PM
I don't think I fair to say that anyone wants to see him fail. He may turn out to be a brilliant manager and I really hope he does. I think we can all agree on thatI'll be honest, i'm not jumping up and down at the thought of him possibly coming in but I'll get behind him and I hope he does a bloody good job. Isn't that what it's all about?
It should be Clampy but unfortunately it looks as if we are in the minority.
The apparent determination to see Gerrard fail is quite discouraging
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 09:39:33 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
It’s a early to be going with the better fan than you bullshit
What better fan bullshit?
Dont talk bollocks mate i am just saying how i will bs with tbe new manager point to me where i have said i am a bettee fan than anyone else?
About your last ten posts have all been of the "I'm a better fan than those who don't want to cheer for Steven Gerrard" variety.
For what it's worth, if we are talking "better fans", I prefer those that don't applaud it when the club acts like starstruck teenagers when they should be pulling out all the stops to get the best candidate possible.
Im.not interested in a mythical debate about "being better fan". I dont classify myself better or worse than any fan. What im saying is i will support the new guy like any manager as thats how i roll. Unpopular? Perhaps but that doesnt mean im saying "im a better fan than you" thats just ludicrous and just off subject nonsense that i dont want to engage in.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 09, 2021, 09:40:43 PM
I'll be honest, i'm not jumping up and down at the thought of him possibly coming in but I'll get behind him and I hope he does a bloody good job. Isn't that what it's all about?Indeed. I'll give any manager that comes to Villa a chance: I gave even Alex McLeish one (chance, that is, you dirty lot!). Still a crap choice, though, but time will tell...
Post by: boozey182 on November 09, 2021, 09:41:09 PM
I dont see why anybody wouldn't back our new manager whoever he is, regardless of whatever reservations you may have.
Whoever it may be, they get a chance and they get unconditional support.
That's spot on, Ads. Of course he'll get backing, just like we backed TSM.
But he's not our manager yet, and as such, nobody has to think it's a good idea, nobody has to like him, and nobody has to pretend everything is going to be great if he comes.
It's quite a liberating time when we can actually say what we think. I don't think he's going be a good manager, and I don't want us to be the club that finds that out for sure.
Post by: algy on November 09, 2021, 09:41:12 PM
I mainly just wanted to join in the megaquote. But I agree, it seems weird that we're in a position where we could pretty much have our pick of unemployed managers, and some employed ones, yet choose someone purely on the basis that the CEO liked them when they were a player.I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
I can support the team without supporting the manager.
Will you be singing "Stevie G, he's won more than you"?
I dont even know what that means but ill be supporting him or whoever is appointed as vllia manager 100%. I backed bruce and mcleish too who were even worse than gerrard.
He deserves a chance and the majority will back him thankfully not like a couple hundred on here.
He doesn't deserve a chance. He shouldn't be given one of the biggest jobs in English football and paid millions of pounds for the privilege.
Somebody better qualified deserves that chance.
But this is the point. We aren’t one of the biggest jobs in English football. We haven’t been one of the biggest jobs in English football for an incredibly long time.
I'll get behind him, and give him as much change as anyone else. But I can't help feeling that he's a downgrade on Smith.
Post by: gpbarr on November 09, 2021, 09:42:19 PM
Simon Jordan says we should be going for the Ajax manager. That would do.
Ten Hag vs Gerrard. Chess Master vs Novice.
I know whom I'd prefer.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 09:42:31 PM
I'll be honest, i'm not jumping up and down at the thought of him possibly coming in but I'll get behind him and I hope he does a bloody good job. Isn't that what it's all about?
Exactly this 👏
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 09:42:45 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
It’s a early to be going with the better fan than you bullshit
What better fan bullshit?
Dont talk bollocks mate i am just saying how i will bs with tbe new manager point to me where i have said i am a bettee fan than anyone else?
About your last ten posts have all been of the "I'm a better fan than those who don't want to cheer for Steven Gerrard" variety.
For what it's worth, if we are talking "better fans", I prefer those that don't applaud it when the club acts like starstruck teenagers when they should be pulling out all the stops to get the best candidate possible.
Im.not interested in a mythical debate about "being better fan". I dont classify myself better or worse than any fan. What im saying is i will support the new guy like any manager as thats how i roll. Unpopular? Perhaps but that doesnt mean im saying "im a better fan than you" thats just ludicrous and just off subject nonsense that i dont want to engage in.
You were calling people "embarrassing" for not wanting the new manager in, then implying that I/we shouldn't go to Villa Park unless we support him.
This isn't "mythical", it's in the discussion that I'm quoting.
You have a habit of coming out with this better fan than you bollocks, I've noticed it in your posting style before.
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 09:43:32 PM
McLeish had just relegated Blues. Mcleish was renowned for really awful football. McLeish had just managed that lot over the road and they were relatively glad to see the back of him. It is nothing like McLeish.
SG has gone into a huge football club as a rookie and went undefeated for the entire season and won the league. He’s also presently top of the league this season and have a more than reasonable shout of qualifying for the next stages of the Europa league. If you are against it - fine. Everyone has an opinion, but coming out with nonsense like you won’t support him or he’ll get a cold reception. It’s utterly ludicrous and makes this fan base look embarrassing. Happy to debate this with anyone on here before the Brighton game - normally stand underneath the small TV in the Holte Suite, on the right through the doors as you walk in
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 09:43:47 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
I can support the team without supporting the manager.
Will you be singing "Stevie G, he's won more than you"?
He can sing what he likes, within reason.
Sure, but he's the one lecturing other people for not singing for the new manager.
Making stuff up now are you? Where have i said you should sing for the new manager?
Post by: Clampy on November 09, 2021, 09:44:43 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 09:45:14 PM
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 09:45:19 PM
Two kittens die every time someone compares this appointment to McLeish.
McLeish had just relegated Blues. Mcleish was renowned for really awful football. McLeish had just managed that lot over the road and they were relatively glad to see the back of him. It is nothing like McLeish.
SG has gone into a huge football club as a rookie and went undefeated for the entire season and won the league. He’s also presently top of the league this season and have a more than reasonable shout of qualifying for the next stages of the Europa league. If you are against it - fine. Everyone has an opinion, but coming out with nonsense like you won’t support him or he’ll get a cold reception. It’s utterly ludicrous and makes this fan base look embarrassing. Happy to debate this with anyone on here before the Brighton game - normally stand underneath the small TV in the Holte Suite, on the right through the doors as you walk in
(I say this as a lot of these comments are screaming into a void, let’s have a proper chat about it - I’ll even buy you a beer)
Post by: john e on November 09, 2021, 09:45:41 PM
Which makes the pill even harder to swallow when you don’t want him in the first place
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 09:46:10 PM
It's an interesting stance Bully is taking. He's not going to get behind Gerrard but thinks fans shouldnt applaud the club for choosing him (or acting like starstruck teenagers as he puts it). Do what you want to Billy, but don't tell others how they should react.
I'm not, I'm justifying my position. Demetri was suggesting that those who don't support him shouldn't attend games.
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 09:47:07 PM
So a bit of side note, but something has gone wrong on this chain - as the comments I am linked to aren't what I said - its gone out of sync.I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
I can support the team without supporting the manager.
Will you be singing "Stevie G, he's won more than you"?
He can sing what he likes, within reason.
Sure, but he's the one lecturing other people for not singing for the new manager.
Making stuff up now are you? Where have i said you should sing for the new manager?
Anyway - carry on your fight
Post by: Clive W on November 09, 2021, 09:48:16 PM
I don't think I fair to say that anyone wants to see him fail. He may turn out to be a brilliant manager and I really hope he does. I think we can all agree on thatI'll be honest, i'm not jumping up and down at the thought of him possibly coming in but I'll get behind him and I hope he does a bloody good job. Isn't that what it's all about?
It should be Clampy but unfortunately it looks as if we are in the minority.
The apparent determination to see Gerrard fail is quite discouraging
I used the phrase “apparent determination” because that is the impression I gleaned from many of the comments
I do agree that we should all want him to be a success
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 09, 2021, 09:48:57 PM
I'll be honest, i'm not jumping up and down at the thought of him possibly coming in but I'll get behind him and I hope he does a bloody good job. Isn't that what it's all about?
It should be Clampy but unfortunately it looks as if we are in the minority.
+1 but I'm used being in in the minority on here. :)
Post by: Des Little on November 09, 2021, 09:49:49 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 09:50:31 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
It’s a early to be going with the better fan than you bullshit
What better fan bullshit?
Dont talk bollocks mate i am just saying how i will bs with tbe new manager point to me where i have said i am a bettee fan than anyone else?
About your last ten posts have all been of the "I'm a better fan than those who don't want to cheer for Steven Gerrard" variety.
For what it's worth, if we are talking "better fans", I prefer those that don't applaud it when the club acts like starstruck teenagers when they should be pulling out all the stops to get the best candidate possible.
Im.not interested in a mythical debate about "being better fan". I dont classify myself better or worse than any fan. What im saying is i will support the new guy like any manager as thats how i roll. Unpopular? Perhaps but that doesnt mean im saying "im a better fan than you" thats just ludicrous and just off subject nonsense that i dont want to engage in.
You were calling people "embarrassing" for not wanting the new manager in, then implying that I/we shouldn't go to Villa Park unless we support him.
This isn't "mythical", it's in the discussion that I'm quoting.
You have a habit of coming out with this better fan than you bollocks, I've noticed it in your posting style before.
You have noticed or made up?
I called out embarassing that theh wouldnt support the managee before he has even been given opportunity. That is embarrassing. And show me where i said fans should stay away from villa park?? Another made up accusation from you.
He deserves a chance simple as that. Just like smith, just like bruce just like mcleish.
Your the one continuing this nonsense debate after i have clarified i am not a better fan your just twisting words to suit your argument. If you dont like what someone says you jump on them. I can see where the bully in your name comes from.
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 09:50:35 PM
Screaming into a void - that's a really good way of putting it. I've thought that a lotTwo kittens die every time someone compares this appointment to McLeish.
McLeish had just relegated Blues. Mcleish was renowned for really awful football. McLeish had just managed that lot over the road and they were relatively glad to see the back of him. It is nothing like McLeish.
SG has gone into a huge football club as a rookie and went undefeated for the entire season and won the league. He’s also presently top of the league this season and have a more than reasonable shout of qualifying for the next stages of the Europa league. If you are against it - fine. Everyone has an opinion, but coming out with nonsense like you won’t support him or he’ll get a cold reception. It’s utterly ludicrous and makes this fan base look embarrassing. Happy to debate this with anyone on here before the Brighton game - normally stand underneath the small TV in the Holte Suite, on the right through the doors as you walk in
(I say this as a lot of these comments are screaming into a void, let’s have a proper chat about it - I’ll even buy you a beer)
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 09:52:39 PM
Every Villa fan wants the manager to be a success. Without exception.
You might want to read back a few pages
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 09:53:27 PM
You're right. I really don't want him to fail, I just have a bad feeling about it, but hope I am wrong - UTVI don't think I fair to say that anyone wants to see him fail. He may turn out to be a brilliant manager and I really hope he does. I think we can all agree on thatI'll be honest, i'm not jumping up and down at the thought of him possibly coming in but I'll get behind him and I hope he does a bloody good job. Isn't that what it's all about?
It should be Clampy but unfortunately it looks as if we are in the minority.
The apparent determination to see Gerrard fail is quite discouraging
I used the phrase “apparent determination” because that is the impression I gleaned from many of the comments
I do agree that we should all want him to be a success
Post by: Clampy on November 09, 2021, 09:55:46 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 09:56:48 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
Its incredible isnt it? You don't have to like him as a person but bloody hell he deserves a chance.
Embarrassing
What's embarrassing is a club of our stature acting like starstruck teenagers because someone that played for Liverpool flashes a bit of ankle at them.
Na mate not supporting a manager because he isnt your first choice is more embarrassing.
I take it then you wont be going to villa park then if Gerrards appointed?
It’s a early to be going with the better fan than you bullshit
What better fan bullshit?
Dont talk bollocks mate i am just saying how i will bs with tbe new manager point to me where i have said i am a bettee fan than anyone else?
About your last ten posts have all been of the "I'm a better fan than those who don't want to cheer for Steven Gerrard" variety.
For what it's worth, if we are talking "better fans", I prefer those that don't applaud it when the club acts like starstruck teenagers when they should be pulling out all the stops to get the best candidate possible.
Im.not interested in a mythical debate about "being better fan". I dont classify myself better or worse than any fan. What im saying is i will support the new guy like any manager as thats how i roll. Unpopular? Perhaps but that doesnt mean im saying "im a better fan than you" thats just ludicrous and just off subject nonsense that i dont want to engage in.
You were calling people "embarrassing" for not wanting the new manager in, then implying that I/we shouldn't go to Villa Park unless we support him.
This isn't "mythical", it's in the discussion that I'm quoting.
You have a habit of coming out with this better fan than you bollocks, I've noticed it in your posting style before.
You have noticed or made up?
I called out embarassing that theh wouldnt support the managee before he has even been given opportunity. That is embarrassing. And show me where i said fans should stay away from villa park?? Another made up accusation from you.
He deserves a chance simple as that. Just like smith, just like bruce just like mcleish.
Your the one continuing this nonsense debate after i have clarified i am not a better fan your just twisting words to suit your argument. If you dont like what someone says you jump on them. I can see where the bully in your name comes from.
I won't bother to keep making the same points, so one last time.
You implied that fans that don't support the manager should stay away. It's in the quoted conversation.
He doesn't deserve a chance. He's done nothing to earn the chance. Someone better qualified than himself deserves the chance.
Your entire posting style in the last hour or so has reeked of "better fan than you", that's why I've not been the only one to point it out. If you can't see it, that's your fault not the fault of others. Maybe take time to re-read your posts.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 09:57:11 PM
You're right. I really don't want him to fail, I just have a bad feeling about it, but hope I am wrong - UTVI don't think I fair to say that anyone wants to see him fail. He may turn out to be a brilliant manager and I really hope he does. I think we can all agree on thatI'll be honest, i'm not jumping up and down at the thought of him possibly coming in but I'll get behind him and I hope he does a bloody good job. Isn't that what it's all about?
It should be Clampy but unfortunately it looks as if we are in the minority.
The apparent determination to see Gerrard fail is quite discouraging
I used the phrase “apparent determination” because that is the impression I gleaned from many of the comments
I do agree that we should all want him to be a success
Nothing wrong with that beard82. I have huge reservations about Gerrard too. I think its a massive gamble and it could be a disaster. But i will back him until we see what he has to offer if he comes.
I really would have preferred fonseca or favre. Those were the two for me.
Post by: gpbarr on November 09, 2021, 09:57:42 PM
If you dont like what someone says you jump on them.
Which just to be clear, is what you did to me. You are entitled to your view as everyone on here is, but if you want to dish it out, you need to accept it back.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 09:58:58 PM
If you dont like what someone says you jump on them.
Which just to be clear, is what you did to me. You are entitled to your view as everyone on here is, but if you want to dish it out, you need to accept it back.
Quite.
Don't brand everyone that disagrees with you "embarrassing" then cry when somebody takes umbrage.
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2021, 09:59:34 PM
If appointed he deserves a chance and given the same opportunities and respect as smith has.
It wouldnt be the best appointment but not the worst either
He wouldn't 'deserve' anything and has the right to nothing. Smith gets a lot of respect for what he's done and the way he's handled himself. Gerrard has done nothing to earn our respect at all.
Post by: Ian. on November 09, 2021, 10:01:40 PM
If it’s happening we’ve all just got to hope it’s a good decision and he turns our season around as quickly as possible as we do have the makings of a good team and very positive future with the wealth of young talent we have.
Post by: Legion on November 09, 2021, 10:02:44 PM
Post by: Billy Walker on November 09, 2021, 10:02:53 PM
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 10:02:56 PM
If appointed he deserves a chance and given the same opportunities and respect as smith has.
It wouldnt be the best appointment but not the worst either
He wouldn't 'deserve' anything and has the right to nothing. Smith gets a lot of respect for what he's done and the way he's handled himself. Gerrard has done nothing to earn our respect at all.
What's the alternative? He gets appointed and you don't give him a chance? Boo him even if he wins his first three games?
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 10:03:14 PM
If appointed he deserves a chance and given the same opportunities and respect as smith has.
It wouldnt be the best appointment but not the worst either
He wouldn't 'deserve' anything and has the right to nothing. Smith gets a lot of respect for what he's done and the way he's handled himself. Gerrard has done nothing to earn our respect at all.
Monumental case of writing someone off before they have started or even been spoken to if the article by John Percy is accurate. Quite right that respect is earned but did you respect Dean Smith before he walked in purely on the strength of some mid table Championship finishes and him being a Villa fan? Intrigued to know
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 10:03:51 PM
Post by: ozzjim on November 09, 2021, 10:05:11 PM
I think they wanted a big name. We have long talked about that big name to increase the profile, Gerrard gives them that in their eyes I'm sure, no matter how much we may disagree. I look forward to seeing how he does, and how many knew he'd do great when he wins a few games lol.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 10:05:49 PM
If you dont like what someone says you jump on them.
Which just to be clear, is what you did to me. You are entitled to your view as everyone on here is, but if you want to dish it out, you need to accept it back.
Quite.
Don't brand everyone that disagrees with you "embarrassing" then cry when somebody takes umbrage.
Your the biggest wibbler on here so i dont think your in a position to lecture anyone. Your the one who decided to take this off subject with the better fan nonsense. Then i replied saying i dont want to engage in that subject as its off topic and you continued it. So dont try play the victim
Anyways this is getting boring now lets move on.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 10:06:05 PM
Edit: see! It's happened again!
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 10:07:32 PM
If you dont like what someone says you jump on them.
Which just to be clear, is what you did to me. You are entitled to your view as everyone on here is, but if you want to dish it out, you need to accept it back.
Well if i offended you i apologise as it wasnt meant to be offensive. I accept i may have used strong language with the bollocks word.
Post by: Legion on November 09, 2021, 10:07:42 PM
Post by: Legion on November 09, 2021, 10:08:09 PM
If you dont like what someone says you jump on them.
Which just to be clear, is what you did to me. You are entitled to your view as everyone on here is, but if you want to dish it out, you need to accept it back.
Well if i offended you i apologise as it wasnt meant to be offensive. I accept i may have used strong language with the bollocks word.
Thank you. All.
Post by: The Edge on November 09, 2021, 10:08:27 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 10:08:31 PM
https://www.oxfordinternationalenglish.com/you-and-youre-whats-the-difference-and-when-to-use-them/
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 10:09:26 PM
Can we get back to spouting nonsense please?Yes! So do we think Nanny McPhee & Dirty Danks get to stay.
I find this interesting - as SG has a settled backroom staff, but these seem very much Lange appointments.
Do they all stay?
Post by: Legion on November 09, 2021, 10:09:47 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 10:11:22 PM
I'm happy to move on, can you just do me a small favour and read the following?
https://www.oxfordinternationalenglish.com/you-and-youre-whats-the-difference-and-when-to-use-them/
I still love you CD 🤣
You know im.gonna continue to do this now just to wind you up 😉
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 10:12:07 PM
I'm happy to move on, can you just do me a small favour and read the following?
https://www.oxfordinternationalenglish.com/you-and-youre-whats-the-difference-and-when-to-use-them/
Incredibly patronising and offensive FWIW.
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 10:12:34 PM
Post by: Legion on November 09, 2021, 10:13:26 PM
I'm happy to move on, can you just do me a small favour and read the following?
https://www.oxfordinternationalenglish.com/you-and-youre-whats-the-difference-and-when-to-use-them/
Incredibly patronising and offensive FWIW.
Educational.
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2021, 10:13:26 PM
My impression of him is of an arrogant, unsavoury character, he fought hard on the pitch but thought nothing of cheating. There are allegations of attempts to pay people off, of assaults.
I'm not sure why people seem so happy about this. I just don't get it at all.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 10:14:11 PM
I'm happy to move on, can you just do me a small favour and read the following?
https://www.oxfordinternationalenglish.com/you-and-youre-whats-the-difference-and-when-to-use-them/
Incredibly patronising and offensive FWIW.
He called me a bully so I was jovially replying in kind.
Post by: Legion on November 09, 2021, 10:14:24 PM
I'll support the Villa always. There have been players and managers I don't like. Gerrard is my least favourite appointment. I'll support his team.
My impression of him is of an arrogant, unsavoury character, he fought hard on the pitch but thought nothing of cheating. There are allegations of attempts to pay people off, of assaults.
I'm not sure why people seem so happy about this. I just don't get it at all.
Same here. Agree with all those points.
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 10:14:44 PM
If it is Gerrard, he'll either come in and do well, or he won't, and he won't have the benefit of the doubt for as long as Smith did.TBF - that's a pretty good summary of whats been said over the last 50 pages
Post by: PeterWithe on November 09, 2021, 10:14:45 PM
Two kittens die every time someone compares this appointment to McLeish.
McLeish had just relegated Blues. Mcleish was renowned for really awful football. McLeish had just managed that lot over the road and they were relatively glad to see the back of him. It is nothing like McLeish.
It is a bit, in that when McLeish was appointed, his supporters (The General and er..that was about it) pointed to his success in Scotland, far more than Gerrard achieved.
And then, as now, it was argued that success there doesn’t have a lot of value.
I don’t have the personal enmity toward Gerrard that others have, he was a fantastic player and he’s done what you would expect in Scotland. I just see him as at best a step sideways from Dean and without the goodwill so I wonder what the point is?
If he comes I will think it a mistake but will give him my support, for what its worth.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 10:14:51 PM
I'm happy to move on, can you just do me a small favour and read the following?
https://www.oxfordinternationalenglish.com/you-and-youre-whats-the-difference-and-when-to-use-them/
I still love you CD 🤣
You know im.gonna continue to do this now just to wind you up 😉
I didn't think this plan through ☹
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2021, 10:16:29 PM
If it is Gerrard, he'll either come in and do well, or he won't, and he won't have the benefit of the doubt for as long as Smith did.
I just don't get it. We should be aiming far higher than giving him a chance. I think we've settled and that Smith would have done better.
I hope I'm wrong and that we win trophies, I just feel like the stories will be about him winning them, not the Villa.
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 10:18:04 PM
If it makes you feel better, I don't think you'll need to worry about winning trophiesIf it is Gerrard, he'll either come in and do well, or he won't, and he won't have the benefit of the doubt for as long as Smith did.
I just don't get it. We should be aiming far higher than giving him a chance. I think we've settled and that Smith would have done better.
I hope I'm wrong and that we win trophies, I just feel like the stories will be about him winning them, not the Villa.
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 10:18:47 PM
I'll support the Villa always. There have been players and managers I don't like. Gerrard is my least favourite appointment. I'll support his team.
My impression of him is of an arrogant, unsavoury character, he fought hard on the pitch but thought nothing of cheating. There are allegations of attempts to pay people off, of assaults.
I'm not sure why people seem so happy about this. I just don't get it at all.
Our captain last season broke lockdown rules after posting a video in support of the NHS, and also crashed into parked cars. John Terry was in court for assault as a younger man, but seems to have turned his public perception around. I don't think I've seen anybody "happy" about this, just seems people are prepared to give whoever the new manager is, a chance.
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 10:20:20 PM
If it is Gerrard, he'll either come in and do well, or he won't, and he won't have the benefit of the doubt for as long as Smith did.
I just don't get it. We should be aiming far higher than giving him a chance. I think we've settled and that Smith would have done better.
I hope I'm wrong and that we win trophies, I just feel like the stories will be about him winning them, not the Villa.
Smith would have taken us down this season. The team was an absolute raggedy arsed shambles, the football was dismal and getting worse. The two first halves against Arsenal and Southampton were as bad as anything in the last 5 years.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 10:21:09 PM
If it is Gerrard, he'll either come in and do well, or he won't, and he won't have the benefit of the doubt for as long as Smith did.
I just don't get it. We should be aiming far higher than giving him a chance. I think we've settled and that Smith would have done better.
I hope I'm wrong and that we win trophies, I just feel like the stories will be about him winning them, not the Villa.
I agree with the first part but not the second.
We should be looking higher. Fonseca or favre both much better appointments however smiths time was up. His record in 2021 was absymal. If it was any other manager we would all be screaming for him out. For me he has been given enough time to turn it around. Sadly it never happened
Im hoping gerrard doesnt come and we look at someone like Favre who for me would be a brilliant appointment
Post by: Legion on November 09, 2021, 10:21:19 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 09, 2021, 10:22:10 PM
McLeish was 100% committed to Villa whilst in post. He took an interest in every area of the playing sides, not just the first XI which cannot be said about quite a few other appointments in the last 10 or so years.
Ive met mcleish although awful manager for us a really lovely bloke
Post by: ozzjim on November 09, 2021, 10:24:52 PM
Not one person is happy with Gerrard. I can rationalise why the board want him though. I also think he'll do well.
I don't see myself ever really liking him, but then at the same time I never saw myself tolerating Terry and he didn't put a for wrong really.
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2021, 10:25:05 PM
I'll support the Villa always. There have been players and managers I don't like. Gerrard is my least favourite appointment. I'll support his team.
My impression of him is of an arrogant, unsavoury character, he fought hard on the pitch but thought nothing of cheating. There are allegations of attempts to pay people off, of assaults.
I'm not sure why people seem so happy about this. I just don't get it at all.
Our captain last season broke lockdown rules after posting a video in support of the NHS, and also crashed into parked cars. John Terry was in court for assault as a younger man, but seems to have turned his public perception around. I don't think I've seen anybody "happy" about this, just seems people are prepared to give whoever the new manager is, a chance.
Our captain had proven himself a dick, but I guess that's the thing, he had already got some credit in the bank and was a bit like the errant nephew who was a dick but you abated to help. Terry was a twat previously and did nothing wrong at Villa apart from allegedly helping our ex captain become our ex captain.
He'll get a chance, but I don't have to like it. Perhaps this time it will be me calling for his head early, and you supporting him! That would be a turn up.
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2021, 10:26:53 PM
McLeish was 100% committed to Villa whilst in post. He took an interest in every area of the playing sides, not just the first XI which cannot be said about quite a few other appointments in the last 10 or so years.
Whilst I never really understood the thinking of appointing him after relegation with them, he did at least have a record of success, of sorts. He was a decent bloke too by all accounts.
Post by: Richard E on November 09, 2021, 10:28:17 PM
If it is Gerrard, he'll either come in and do well, or he won't, and he won't have the benefit of the doubt for as long as Smith did.
I just don't get it. We should be aiming far higher than giving him a chance. I think we've settled and that Smith would have done better.
I hope I'm wrong and that we win trophies, I just feel like the stories will be about him winning them, not the Villa.
If we win the FA Cup I’ll be too pissed to give a toss about what the stories are about it.
Post by: Taylor on November 09, 2021, 10:29:10 PM
For what it’s worth I thought we should have stuck with Dean, but if it is Gerrard I hope he’s brilliant. Oh, and one point, I was against John Terry coming to us but ended up being really sad when he f**ked off.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 10:30:40 PM
If it is Gerrard, he'll either come in and do well, or he won't, and he won't have the benefit of the doubt for as long as Smith did.
I just don't get it. We should be aiming far higher than giving him a chance. I think we've settled and that Smith would have done better.
I hope I'm wrong and that we win trophies, I just feel like the stories will be about him winning them, not the Villa.
If we win the FA Cup I’ll be too pissed to give a toss about what the stories are about it.
When we win the FA Cup I'll be too dead to give a toss about what the stories are about it.
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 10:30:46 PM
Agreed Risso. We are in a tailspin on the pitch.I don't think Smith would have taken us down - we are much stronger than 19/20. Im not saying it wasn't his time, or it wouldn't have been a disappointing season, but I think we would have finished lower middle half.
Not one person is happy with Gerrard. I can rationalise why the board want him though. I also think he'll do well.
I don't see myself ever really liking him, but then at the same time I never saw myself tolerating Terry and he didn't put a for wrong really.
I agree we were a complete mess the last 3 games, but FWIW I think he would have found a way.
Post by: PeterWithe on November 09, 2021, 10:35:15 PM
Smith would have taken us down this season. The team was an absolute raggedy arsed shambles, the football was dismal and getting worse. The two first halves against Arsenal and Southampton were as bad as anything in the last 5 years.
At the risk of starting a pretty pointless debate he wouldn’t, as has been talked about incessantly, he went on runs, winning and losing, we have the best squad we’ve had in many years and it would have come good to finish in about the position we did last. And I can grudgingly understand why that wasn’t good enough for ambitious owners. Although subsequent events are a little more difficult to fathom.
Post by: TonyD on November 09, 2021, 10:35:33 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 10:38:02 PM
You put it better than I didSmith would have taken us down this season. The team was an absolute raggedy arsed shambles, the football was dismal and getting worse. The two first halves against Arsenal and Southampton were as bad as anything in the last 5 years.
At the risk of starting a pretty pointless debate he wouldn’t, as has been talked about incessantly, he went on runs, winning and losing, we have the best squad we’ve had in many years and it would have come good to finish in about the position we did last. And I can grudgingly understand why that wasn’t good enough for ambitious owners. Although subsequent events are a little more difficult to fathom.
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 10:43:34 PM
Smith would have taken us down this season. The team was an absolute raggedy arsed shambles, the football was dismal and getting worse. The two first halves against Arsenal and Southampton were as bad as anything in the last 5 years.
At the risk of starting a pretty pointless debate he wouldn’t, as has been talked about incessantly, he went on runs, winning and losing, we have the best squad we’ve had in many years and it would have come good to finish in about the position we did last. And I can grudgingly understand why that wasn’t good enough for ambitious owners. Although subsequent events are a little more difficult to fathom.
Bang wrong in my opinion. Look at a) his record in 2021, and b) his record without Grealish. The first is just slightly over relegation form, and had Grealish for some of it. The second is nailed on relegation form. And that's before the wheels came off completely in the last 5 games. He complained about injuries, but he had virtually a full squad for the Arsenal game, and that was catastrophically poor.
Post by: PeterWithe on November 09, 2021, 10:46:58 PM
Post by: Ian. on November 09, 2021, 10:48:38 PM
Post by: Legion on November 09, 2021, 10:48:50 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on November 09, 2021, 10:50:42 PM
I think his biggest mistake there was trying to play both Ings and Watkins. One or the other, not both.
Amongst others but he’d have found a system that worked better and suited a strong squad. As I said, all bit redundant now.
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 10:52:08 PM
He had his four front players hopelessly out of form for the whole season so far (maybe I’m being unfair on Ings there), that would have improved and so would results.
And his defence, and his midfield. Literally every part of the team was rubbish, and falling out with him and each other.
Post by: Rory on November 09, 2021, 10:52:21 PM
I think his biggest mistake there was trying to play both Ings and Watkins. One or the other, not both.
Agreed. We have two excellent leaders of the attack. Why play both? Our midfield just isn't strong enough to play two up front.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 09, 2021, 10:52:38 PM
What I will say is I don't think he'll be anything like Houllier on the Liverpool fawning front. He doesn't give that vibe to me. It'll be the media that's the problem and not him.
I think he'll be offered the job and then it'll be up to him.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 09, 2021, 10:55:54 PM
Meh.
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 10:57:40 PM
It can be argued whether you think Gerrard is any good or not, he may well be, but eitherway I don't think it can be argued that the appointment (should it happen) shows any serious ambition. It just doesn't in my opinion. I saw a clip of Simon Jordan on twitter saying we should be aiming higher than Gerrard, who may become elite but he's not there yet whereas Villa are and he's absolutely right... the tanned gob.That is one of the frustrations - its just anything but ambitious. Unless we just really are deluded.
What I will say is I don't think he'll be anything like Houllier on the Liverpool fawning front. He doesn't give that vibe to me. It'll be the media that's the problem and not him.
I think he'll be offered the job and then it'll be up to him.
I think you're right, hell be closer to Terry in his conduct than Houllier.
Post by: john e on November 09, 2021, 10:58:51 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on November 09, 2021, 10:59:47 PM
He had his four front players hopelessly out of form for the whole season so far (maybe I’m being unfair on Ings there), that would have improved and so would results.
And his defence, and his midfield. Literally every part of the team was rubbish, and falling out with him and each other.
Were they falling out with him, a non playing sub aside?
We were rightly aiming on improving for a Euro spot finish so him getting ditched isn’t surprising but I can’t say I was in any way fearful of getting relegated, he was a good coach, he’d have found a system that worked well enough to get points on the board, just not enough for the other board.
Post by: Legion on November 09, 2021, 11:04:39 PM
Post by: The_ads on November 09, 2021, 11:06:41 PM
I wonder if he’ll give Freddie another chance
I really hope not, I don’t rate him at all
Post by: Rory on November 09, 2021, 11:07:14 PM
It can be argued whether you think Gerrard is any good or not, he may well be, but eitherway I don't think it can be argued that the appointment (should it happen) shows any serious ambition. It just doesn't in my opinion. I saw a clip of Simon Jordan on twitter saying we should be aiming higher than Gerrard, who may become elite but he's not there yet whereas Villa are and he's absolutely right... the tanned gob.
What I will say is I don't think he'll be anything like Houllier on the Liverpool fawning front. He doesn't give that vibe to me. It'll be the media that's the problem and not him.
I think he'll be offered the job and then it'll be up to him.
I agree, I think I said earlier that Houllier seemed to have his head in the clouds when we appointed him. I will give credit where it's due and say that I believe Gerrard would be too switched-on and professional to go in for that.
But I also agree that appointing Gerrard would show no ambition. Particularly not after fucking Tottenham just got Conte.
The London thing, okay, that's just a symptom of successive governments focusing investment in London to the detriment of the rest of the country. But to read people trying to justify Tottenham's new stadium as a selling point to a manager is baffling. Why? The manager isn't going to live in the stadium.
I am utterly fucked off by clubs based in unfashionable regions being expected to embrace a diminished place in the game because of geopolitical investment patterns. Even after 20 years of media propaganda, Tottenham are fucking nothing. 12 years ago, Man City were fucking nothing.
Why should we have to accept that we cannot either win respect through demography (as Tottenham did through being based in London), nor can we buy success (as Man City did through blood money)?
It's a rigged fucking game based on regional prejudices and concentration of the media in the South East and North West.
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 11:07:48 PM
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 11:09:29 PM
It can be argued whether you think Gerrard is any good or not, he may well be, but eitherway I don't think it can be argued that the appointment (should it happen) shows any serious ambition. It just doesn't in my opinion. I saw a clip of Simon Jordan on twitter saying we should be aiming higher than Gerrard, who may become elite but he's not there yet whereas Villa are and he's absolutely right... the tanned gob.
What I will say is I don't think he'll be anything like Houllier on the Liverpool fawning front. He doesn't give that vibe to me. It'll be the media that's the problem and not him.
I think he'll be offered the job and then it'll be up to him.
I agree, I think I said earlier that Houllier seemed to have his head in the clouds when we appointed him. I will give credit where it's due and say that I believe Gerrard would be too switched-on and professional to go in for that.
But I also agree that appointing Gerrard would show no ambition. Particularly not after fucking Tottenham just got Conte.
The London thing, okay, that's just a symptom of successive governments focusing investment in London to the detriment of the rest of the country. But to read people trying to justify Tottenham's new stadium as a selling point to a manager is baffling. Why? The manager isn't going to live in the stadium.
I am utterly fucked off by clubs based in unfashionable regions being expected to embrace a diminished place in the game because of geopolitical investment patterns. Even after 20 years of media propaganda, Tottenham are fucking nothing. 13 years ago, Man City were fucking nothing.
Why should we have to accept that we cannot either win respect through demography (as Tottenham did through being based in London), nor can we buy success (as Man City did through blood money)?
It's a rigged fucking game based on regional prejudices and concentration of the media in the South East and North West.
It's not the media's fault that Man City have spent a couple of billion on players since taking them over.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 09, 2021, 11:12:44 PM
It can be argued whether you think Gerrard is any good or not, he may well be, but eitherway I don't think it can be argued that the appointment (should it happen) shows any serious ambition. It just doesn't in my opinion. I saw a clip of Simon Jordan on twitter saying we should be aiming higher than Gerrard, who may become elite but he's not there yet whereas Villa are and he's absolutely right... the tanned gob.That is one of the frustrations - its just anything but ambitious. Unless we just really are deluded.
What I will say is I don't think he'll be anything like Houllier on the Liverpool fawning front. He doesn't give that vibe to me. It'll be the media that's the problem and not him.
I think he'll be offered the job and then it'll be up to him.
I think you're right, hell be closer to Terry in his conduct than Houllier.
I agree, the lack of ambition is the frustration and not Gerrard per se. Getting someone like Howe in would also have lacked ambition. I mean, maybe they have tried? Who knows? As it's Purslow it just instinctively doesn't feel like we have but I could be wrong.
Definitely think he'll be more Terry in that respect also. He seems a serious no nonsense bloke.
Also any suggestion that Villa fans will not support him is just ridiculous. We could hire absolutely anyone and regardless as to whether we think the appointment is any good or not they would get support. Like any club... now hire Joey Barton and truly test it 😆.
Post by: Rory on November 09, 2021, 11:16:16 PM
It can be argued whether you think Gerrard is any good or not, he may well be, but eitherway I don't think it can be argued that the appointment (should it happen) shows any serious ambition. It just doesn't in my opinion. I saw a clip of Simon Jordan on twitter saying we should be aiming higher than Gerrard, who may become elite but he's not there yet whereas Villa are and he's absolutely right... the tanned gob.
What I will say is I don't think he'll be anything like Houllier on the Liverpool fawning front. He doesn't give that vibe to me. It'll be the media that's the problem and not him.
I think he'll be offered the job and then it'll be up to him.
I agree, I think I said earlier that Houllier seemed to have his head in the clouds when we appointed him. I will give credit where it's due and say that I believe Gerrard would be too switched-on and professional to go in for that.
But I also agree that appointing Gerrard would show no ambition. Particularly not after fucking Tottenham just got Conte.
The London thing, okay, that's just a symptom of successive governments focusing investment in London to the detriment of the rest of the country. But to read people trying to justify Tottenham's new stadium as a selling point to a manager is baffling. Why? The manager isn't going to live in the stadium.
I am utterly fucked off by clubs based in unfashionable regions being expected to embrace a diminished place in the game because of geopolitical investment patterns. Even after 20 years of media propaganda, Tottenham are fucking nothing. 13 years ago, Man City were fucking nothing.
Why should we have to accept that we cannot either win respect through demography (as Tottenham did through being based in London), nor can we buy success (as Man City did through blood money)?
It's a rigged fucking game based on regional prejudices and concentration of the media in the South East and North West.
It's not the media's fault that Man City have spent a couple of billion on players since taking them over.
I would argue it partially is. The sense of inevitability about it came from somewhere. Nobody who ever moved to Man City would say they did so for the money. They'd say they did for 'the project'. The point is that they became a 'project' when the money came along. Despite the wealth of our owners, we haven't - not if we're appointing managers like Gerrard. We're still little old Aston Villa, among the Southamptons and Burnleys of the world.
Post by: ozzjim on November 09, 2021, 11:18:04 PM
Post by: ROBBO on November 09, 2021, 11:18:26 PM
Then there are the injury problems, we don't have players missing a couple of weeks, they are out that long we forget they are villa players. I said Dean should go but he never had a full squad to choose from.
Post by: Rory on November 09, 2021, 11:19:06 PM
Scottish press running that it will be £3m for Gerrard and his backroom team.
Phew!
At least we'll be making £3m from it then.
Unless you mean.....No, surely not?!
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 09, 2021, 11:20:55 PM
Scottish press running that it will be £3m for Gerrard and his backroom team.
Phew!
At least we'll be making £3m from it then.
Unless you mean.....No, surely not?!
😁
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 09, 2021, 11:21:37 PM
It can be argued whether you think Gerrard is any good or not, he may well be, but eitherway I don't think it can be argued that the appointment (should it happen) shows any serious ambition. It just doesn't in my opinion. I saw a clip of Simon Jordan on twitter saying we should be aiming higher than Gerrard, who may become elite but he's not there yet whereas Villa are and he's absolutely right... the tanned gob.
What I will say is I don't think he'll be anything like Houllier on the Liverpool fawning front. He doesn't give that vibe to me. It'll be the media that's the problem and not him.
I think he'll be offered the job and then it'll be up to him.
I agree, I think I said earlier that Houllier seemed to have his head in the clouds when we appointed him. I will give credit where it's due and say that I believe Gerrard would be too switched-on and professional to go in for that.
But I also agree that appointing Gerrard would show no ambition. Particularly not after fucking Tottenham just got Conte.
The London thing, okay, that's just a symptom of successive governments focusing investment in London to the detriment of the rest of the country. But to read people trying to justify Tottenham's new stadium as a selling point to a manager is baffling. Why? The manager isn't going to live in the stadium.
I am utterly fucked off by clubs based in unfashionable regions being expected to embrace a diminished place in the game because of geopolitical investment patterns. Even after 20 years of media propaganda, Tottenham are fucking nothing. 13 years ago, Man City were fucking nothing.
Why should we have to accept that we cannot either win respect through demography (as Tottenham did through being based in London), nor can we buy success (as Man City did through blood money)?
It's a rigged fucking game based on regional prejudices and concentration of the media in the South East and North West.
It's not the media's fault that Man City have spent a couple of billion on players since taking them over.
I agree but I do get the anger though, there is a general vibe of us not being as fashionable, always just 'traditional' and not much more. Even little things like Martinez in an article about his Argentina exploits being referred to as 'Ex-Arsenal' rather than 'Villa keeper'. Not that I haven't accepted us being overlooked, we have done for a while and I guess our recent stint in the Champ doesn't help. A more ambitious manager option would help correct it a bit.
Post by: PeterWithe on November 09, 2021, 11:24:50 PM
Mings reported to be furious with him when he was dropped. Sanson giving him the finger, Buendia ignoring him and stropping off down the tunnel when subbed. Buendia and Konsa having a bust up after the West Ham match. Not a happy camp at all.
Mings needed a kick up the arse and got one, and reacted well to it. Sanson hasn’t looked anything like a Cl player and hasn’t been worthy of a place up to now. Buendia has been poor and ineffective, Ive no real problem with Konsa telling him that sooner rather than later
I’m struggling to see signs of ‘trouble at mill’ really from a spirit POV other than results which I think were a direct result of the Wolves capitulation, we’ve had a bad run and I think we’d have got much better fairly quickly. I don’t think there is a magic bullet needed and if there were I don’t think Gerrard is the one to deliver it.
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2021, 11:25:51 PM
We have the same defence that were very solid a few months ago the difference is that the midfield and forward line have not been doing their job. No pressure up front and a powder puff midfield no wonder the back line is struggling.
Then there are the injury problems, we don't have players missing a couple of weeks, they are out that long we forget they are villa players. I said Dean should go but he never had a full squad to choose from.
Which team has? A few examples -
Everton missing Calvert-Lewin, Doucoure and Mina
Leeds missing Ayling and Bamford
Palace missing Hughes and Eze
Post by: Rory on November 09, 2021, 11:32:33 PM
It can be argued whether you think Gerrard is any good or not, he may well be, but eitherway I don't think it can be argued that the appointment (should it happen) shows any serious ambition. It just doesn't in my opinion. I saw a clip of Simon Jordan on twitter saying we should be aiming higher than Gerrard, who may become elite but he's not there yet whereas Villa are and he's absolutely right... the tanned gob.
What I will say is I don't think he'll be anything like Houllier on the Liverpool fawning front. He doesn't give that vibe to me. It'll be the media that's the problem and not him.
I think he'll be offered the job and then it'll be up to him.
I agree, I think I said earlier that Houllier seemed to have his head in the clouds when we appointed him. I will give credit where it's due and say that I believe Gerrard would be too switched-on and professional to go in for that.
But I also agree that appointing Gerrard would show no ambition. Particularly not after fucking Tottenham just got Conte.
The London thing, okay, that's just a symptom of successive governments focusing investment in London to the detriment of the rest of the country. But to read people trying to justify Tottenham's new stadium as a selling point to a manager is baffling. Why? The manager isn't going to live in the stadium.
I am utterly fucked off by clubs based in unfashionable regions being expected to embrace a diminished place in the game because of geopolitical investment patterns. Even after 20 years of media propaganda, Tottenham are fucking nothing. 13 years ago, Man City were fucking nothing.
Why should we have to accept that we cannot either win respect through demography (as Tottenham did through being based in London), nor can we buy success (as Man City did through blood money)?
It's a rigged fucking game based on regional prejudices and concentration of the media in the South East and North West.
It's not the media's fault that Man City have spent a couple of billion on players since taking them over.
I agree but I do get the anger though, there is a general vibe of us not being as fashionable, always just 'traditional' and not much more. Even little things like Martinez in an article about his Argentina exploits being referred to as 'Ex-Arsenal' rather than 'Villa keeper'. Not that I haven't accepted us being overlooked, we have done for a while and I guess our recent stint in the Champ doesn't help. A more ambitious manager option would help correct it a bit.
The whole idea of there being a traditional 'top four' or 'big six' is a media invention. Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal - they have been regularly successful for the past 60-odd years. But look at the League, FA Cup and League Cup winners going back to the early 60s.
It's an artificial landscape. The media and the PL have paved over a rich and varied garden and supplanted it with a grotesque monoculture based in (ideally North) London and the North West.
Half of the national sports media support Tottenham, so of course they can appoint Mourinho or Conte. But us? Oh fuck no, we couldn't possibly tempt anybody from the Dutch league, and have to think twice about whether we could attract a manager from Brighton who has done no better than our previous manager.
Post by: Beard82 on November 09, 2021, 11:33:20 PM
Yeah and Everton and Leeds are the worse for itWe have the same defence that were very solid a few months ago the difference is that the midfield and forward line have not been doing their job. No pressure up front and a powder puff midfield no wonder the back line is struggling.
Then there are the injury problems, we don't have players missing a couple of weeks, they are out that long we forget they are villa players. I said Dean should go but he never had a full squad to choose from.
Which team has? A few examples -
Everton missing Calvert-Lewin, Doucoure and Mina
Leeds missing Ayling and Bamford
Palace missing Hughes and Eze
Post by: Monty on November 10, 2021, 12:02:09 AM
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on November 10, 2021, 12:15:40 AM
You're thinking of coddle. A stew of potatoes, carrots and sausage served in Dublin.Is Scouse actually nice? I'm not sure I've ever met someone who has eaten it.
Yep, it's just a stew like Lancashire Hotpot. Nice and filling on a cold evening.
I've always assumed (based on nothing) that it's sausage-based. Is it sausage based?
Another lowbrow joke has become available, but it's a genuine question!
Post by: Rory on November 10, 2021, 12:18:49 AM
Fuck. Well, odds are massively against it working out, but I hope I'm wrong. In the meantime, I just feel a little embarrassed.
Quite right too, Monty. I feel very let down by you.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 10, 2021, 12:23:19 AM
When Gerrard takes us to the Champions League 3 years in a row we'll forget all about it 😉.
Post by: Ads on November 10, 2021, 12:27:04 AM
Post by: Rory on November 10, 2021, 12:30:00 AM
I agree Rory and it's pretty depressing to think about. We should be regarded as mega-bastards considering our size, history, location and now, owners.
When Gerrard takes us to the Champions League 3 years in a row we'll forget all about it 😉.
I hope you mean 'when he wins the European Cup three years in a row'. Qualifying is no achievement - even waxface Redknapp can manage that.
When he wins Aston Villa three European Cups, and then writes and performs a deliciously satirical skit just to prove he isn't a frowning humourless prick, I will indeed forget all about it 😊
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 10, 2021, 12:30:29 AM
Time to park the reservations, give him the chance he deserves and back him unconditionally. The same as we did for Bruce, O'Leary and other berks that spring to mind.
Yep, definitely. I'll happily be a fatter prick on heaps of humble pie.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 10, 2021, 12:32:56 AM
I agree Rory and it's pretty depressing to think about. We should be regarded as mega-bastards considering our size, history, location and now, owners.
When Gerrard takes us to the Champions League 3 years in a row we'll forget all about it 😉.
I hope you mean 'when he wins the European Cup three years in a row'. Qualifying is no achievement - even waxface Redknapp can manage that.
When he wins Aston Villa three European Cups, and then writes and performs a deliciously satirical skit just to prove he isn't a frowning humourless prick, I will indeed forget all about it 😊
Just don't play that skit on repeat all night...
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 10, 2021, 12:34:26 AM
When he wins Aston Villa three European Cups, and then writes and performs a deliciously satirical skit just to prove he isn't a frowning humourless prick, I will indeed forget all about it 😊
Would you settle for him doing 'Born Slippy' as his initiation song?
Post by: Rory on November 10, 2021, 12:35:25 AM
Time to park the reservations, give him the chance he deserves and back him unconditionally. The same as we did for Bruce, O'Leary and other berks that spring to mind.
Yep, definitely. I'll happily be a fatter prick on heaps of humble pie.
Meanwhile I'll be a skinny prick on a hunger protest at his appointment. Bobby Sands did not die in vain, for his spirit lives on in me!
Thankfully, I'm a bit of a bloater, so it'll take me a good few years to waste away. Long enough, hopefully, for Gerrard to win one of the three European Cups you have PROMISED me.
Post by: Rory on November 10, 2021, 12:37:48 AM
When he wins Aston Villa three European Cups, and then writes and performs a deliciously satirical skit just to prove he isn't a frowning humourless prick, I will indeed forget all about it 😊
Would you settle for him doing 'Born Slippy' as his initiation song?
No, but The Men Behind The Wire and My Old Man would suffice
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 10, 2021, 12:39:03 AM
Time to park the reservations, give him the chance he deserves and back him unconditionally. The same as we did for Bruce, O'Leary and other berks that spring to mind.
Yep, definitely. I'll happily be a fatter prick on heaps of humble pie.
Meanwhile I'll be a skinny prick on a hunger protest at his appointment. Bobby Sands did not die in vain, for his spirit lives on in me!
Thankfully, I'm a bit of a bloater, so it'll take me a good few years to waste away. Long enough, hopefully, for Gerrard to win one of the three European Cups you have PROMISED me.
Fuck me you're good on the up-sell. To be fair I can't get much fatter so this is literally life and death if he succeeds.
Post by: Rory on November 10, 2021, 12:41:38 AM
Time to park the reservations, give him the chance he deserves and back him unconditionally. The same as we did for Bruce, O'Leary and other berks that spring to mind.
Yep, definitely. I'll happily be a fatter prick on heaps of humble pie.
Meanwhile I'll be a skinny prick on a hunger protest at his appointment. Bobby Sands did not die in vain, for his spirit lives on in me!
Thankfully, I'm a bit of a bloater, so it'll take me a good few years to waste away. Long enough, hopefully, for Gerrard to win one of the three European Cups you have PROMISED me.
Fuck me you're good on the up-sell. To be fair I can't get much fatter so this is literally life and death if he succeeds.
The stakes are getting quite high! Just give me one of those three European Cups and we'll call it quits.
Post by: Drummond on November 10, 2021, 12:46:44 AM
Mings reported to be furious with him when he was dropped. Sanson giving him the finger, Buendia ignoring him and stropping off down the tunnel when subbed. Buendia and Konsa having a bust up after the West Ham match. Not a happy camp at all.
Storm in a teacup stuff. We argue in here quite a bit, doesn't mean I wouldn't go for a beer with you and have your back if we ever ended up cornered by some dickheads at a match.
Post by: Rory on November 10, 2021, 12:56:27 AM
Mings reported to be furious with him when he was dropped. Sanson giving him the finger, Buendia ignoring him and stropping off down the tunnel when subbed. Buendia and Konsa having a bust up after the West Ham match. Not a happy camp at all.
Storm in a teacup stuff. We argue in here quite a bit, doesn't mean I wouldn't go for a beer with you and have your back if we ever ended up cornered by some dickheads at a match.
I reckon Risso has a private security team escorting him at all times.
Post by: Drummond on November 10, 2021, 01:09:34 AM
Mings reported to be furious with him when he was dropped. Sanson giving him the finger, Buendia ignoring him and stropping off down the tunnel when subbed. Buendia and Konsa having a bust up after the West Ham match. Not a happy camp at all.
Storm in a teacup stuff. We argue in here quite a bit, doesn't mean I wouldn't go for a beer with you and have your back if we ever ended up cornered by some dickheads at a match.
I reckon Risso has a private security team escorting him at all times.
Why else do you think I'd have said it?!
Post by: Rory on November 10, 2021, 01:14:22 AM
Mings reported to be furious with him when he was dropped. Sanson giving him the finger, Buendia ignoring him and stropping off down the tunnel when subbed. Buendia and Konsa having a bust up after the West Ham match. Not a happy camp at all.
Storm in a teacup stuff. We argue in here quite a bit, doesn't mean I wouldn't go for a beer with you and have your back if we ever ended up cornered by some dickheads at a match.
I reckon Risso has a private security team escorting him at all times.
Why else do you think I'd have said it?!
Good point. I'd also like to offer to cover Risso's back, preferably for money.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 10, 2021, 02:42:53 AM
Time to park the reservations, give him the chance he deserves and back him unconditionally. The same as we did for Bruce, O'Leary and other berks that spring to mind.
Yes. I've transitioned quicker on the grief scale than I expected and have reached Acceptance this morning. I shall now studiously ignore all the nay-sayers and cherry-pick only the bestest praise of Mr. Gerrard's qualities that the Internet can find. Even if that turns out to be a short search.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 10, 2021, 02:59:27 AM
Time to park the reservations, give him the chance he deserves and back him unconditionally. The same as we did for Bruce, O'Leary and other berks that spring to mind.
Yes. I've transitioned quicker on the grief scale than I expected and have reached Acceptance this morning. I shall now studiously ignore all the nay-sayers and cherry-pick only the bestest praise of Mr. Gerrard's qualities that the Internet can find. Even if that turns out to be a short search.
Good reach, strong right hook. Surprisingly good at sudoku and can bake a mean cake.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 10, 2021, 03:13:08 AM
Time to park the reservations, give him the chance he deserves and back him unconditionally. The same as we did for Bruce, O'Leary and other berks that spring to mind.
Yes. I've transitioned quicker on the grief scale than I expected and have reached Acceptance this morning. I shall now studiously ignore all the nay-sayers and cherry-pick only the bestest praise of Mr. Gerrard's qualities that the Internet can find. Even if that turns out to be a short search.
Good reach, strong right hook. Surprisingly good at sudoku and can bake a mean cake.
I consider all those things extremely valuable and must-have attributes of any decent manager. How we even worked off a list is beyond me when the answer is this obvious.
Post by: purpletrousers on November 10, 2021, 04:50:14 AM
Mings reported to be furious with him when he was dropped. Sanson giving him the finger, Buendia ignoring him and stropping off down the tunnel when subbed. Buendia and Konsa having a bust up after the West Ham match. Not a happy camp at all.
No. They were behind him.
Quoted our of chronology to make a point. I know whose word on this I give more weight to.
I’m still a Potter man. sigh.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 10, 2021, 05:42:02 AM
I think it’s Hang the DJWhen he wins Aston Villa three European Cups, and then writes and performs a deliciously satirical skit just to prove he isn't a frowning humourless prick, I will indeed forget all about it 😊
Would you settle for him doing 'Born Slippy' as his initiation song?
Post by: Allan C on November 10, 2021, 06:10:42 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 10, 2021, 06:18:51 AM
One other thing that i think is important is Gerrard has experience of maanging a club with high expectations. Rangers fans are probably even worse than ours in terms of what they expect. As we know how tough villa park can be at times.
This is key for any manager that comes.
Post by: wince on November 10, 2021, 07:11:13 AM
Post by: algy on November 10, 2021, 07:11:53 AM
Absolutely. I've got reservations about the appointment, but I'll give the guy the same chance as anyone else. I was very anti-Terry when he came to the club, but you couldn't really fault his time here and he left with the aura that, whatever his past was, the person who was at the club was a genuinely decent chap.I'll support the Villa always. There have been players and managers I don't like. Gerrard is my least favourite appointment. I'll support his team.
My impression of him is of an arrogant, unsavoury character, he fought hard on the pitch but thought nothing of cheating. There are allegations of attempts to pay people off, of assaults.
I'm not sure why people seem so happy about this. I just don't get it at all.
Our captain last season broke lockdown rules after posting a video in support of the NHS, and also crashed into parked cars. John Terry was in court for assault as a younger man, but seems to have turned his public perception around. I don't think I've seen anybody "happy" about this, just seems people are prepared to give whoever the new manager is, a chance.
Post by: aev on November 10, 2021, 07:29:06 AM
Absolutely. I've got reservations about the appointment, but I'll give the guy the same chance as anyone else. I was very anti-Terry when he came to the club, but you couldn't really fault his time here and he left with the aura that, whatever his past was, the person who was at the club was a genuinely decent chap.I'll support the Villa always. There have been players and managers I don't like. Gerrard is my least favourite appointment. I'll support his team.
My impression of him is of an arrogant, unsavoury character, he fought hard on the pitch but thought nothing of cheating. There are allegations of attempts to pay people off, of assaults.
I'm not sure why people seem so happy about this. I just don't get it at all.
Our captain last season broke lockdown rules after posting a video in support of the NHS, and also crashed into parked cars. John Terry was in court for assault as a younger man, but seems to have turned his public perception around. I don't think I've seen anybody "happy" about this, just seems people are prepared to give whoever the new manager is, a chance.
Where I am as well. He wouldn't have been my first choice, but as someone said about 50 pages back all appointments are a risk.
Rangers fans seem gutted, which is a good start.
Post by: The_ads on November 10, 2021, 07:31:34 AM
Fuck. Well, odds are massively against it working out, but I hope I'm wrong. In the meantime, I just feel a little embarrassed.
I’m intrigued. Why are the odds stacked in favour of someone like Favre when he’s been out of work for 12 months, never been near the premier league and couldn’t nail the Palace job but odds massively against Gerrard working out? What are you basing this on?
Post by: Mister E on November 10, 2021, 07:39:58 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/09/aston-villa-want-steven-gerrard-next-manager-plan-rangers-approach
I'm not a fan of his appointment - were it to happen - but to say it lacks ambition is a bit disingenuous. He will, I think, be totally pumped to succeed and has a backroom team to make a strong case that he will do alright.
As a 2 or 3 year appointment, it may work out well for all concerned.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 10, 2021, 07:45:45 AM
I think despite what people might think of him attract a high calibre of player to the club. I do think there are some positives to this move but without question a huge gamble
Post by: Bobby Boy on November 10, 2021, 07:49:48 AM
Grauniad has the Gerrard story as its splash this morning:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/09/aston-villa-want-steven-gerrard-next-manager-plan-rangers-approach
I'm not a fan of his appointment - were it to happen - but to say it lacks ambition is a bit disingenuous. He will, I think, be totally pumped to succeed and has a backroom team to make a strong case that he will do alright.
As a 2 or 3 year appointment, it may work out well for all concerned.
And that's all it would be. An appointment with built-in impermanence.
A motorway service station stop on the way to the real destination.
Is that where we're at?
Post by: Ian. on November 10, 2021, 08:00:55 AM
Grauniad has the Gerrard story as its splash this morning:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/09/aston-villa-want-steven-gerrard-next-manager-plan-rangers-approach
I'm not a fan of his appointment - were it to happen - but to say it lacks ambition is a bit disingenuous. He will, I think, be totally pumped to succeed and has a backroom team to make a strong case that he will do alright.
As a 2 or 3 year appointment, it may work out well for all concerned.
If the managers drive is to manage Liverpool, he will certainly give it his all and I’d say he would have to have some kind of success over 3 years or so. Most managers shelf life these days seems to be that length of time anyway, so one way of looking at this is both us and he will have had a great period.
If we end up with a cup along the way and he moves on if accept that. After all the same may happen with any manager, especially the older more proven ones.
Post by: The_ads on November 10, 2021, 08:14:20 AM
Post by: Beard82 on November 10, 2021, 08:16:20 AM
For me, assuming he can spend in January, I would think top 10 would be good, 10-12 would be meh but acceptable. Below that I would say the pressure should be on CP and SG.
Next season has to be top 8
Unless of course all this talk of challenging for Europe is just more of CP's bollocks
Post by: Dave P on November 10, 2021, 08:23:40 AM
If Gerrard won my club a trophy and made us fiercely competitive again I’d drive him to fucking Liverpool myself listening to ‘There she Goes’ by The LA’s on repeat, in a shell suit wearing a moustache and wig. He’d go with my absolute blessing
Haha and I'll be in the passenger seat telling you to 'Calm down, calm down'
Post by: Monty on November 10, 2021, 08:24:23 AM
Fuck. Well, odds are massively against it working out, but I hope I'm wrong. In the meantime, I just feel a little embarrassed.
I’m intrigued. Why are the odds stacked in favour of someone like Favre when he’s been out of work for 12 months, never been near the premier league and couldn’t nail the Palace job but odds massively against Gerrard working out? What are you basing this on?
How often is it that a great player, especially one whose game was based on explosive individual quality, make a great manager? Maradona? Bryan Robson? Roy Keane? Being born a horse doesn't make you a jockey.
Face it, even if it works out it's a faintly embarrassing appointment, based on being impressed by fame and connections with another club. Not great reasoning for a club with apparently greater ambitions than making headlines from the middle of the Championship.
Post by: ozzjim on November 10, 2021, 08:27:08 AM
I think gerrard will be massively motivated which feels me with abit of confidence. I like that he is a tough charchter and he will command respect and will get it because of his huge name in the game.
I think despite what people might think of him attract a high calibre of player to the club. I do think there are some positives to this move but without question a huge gamble
About where I am. I am open minded on it, I don't think it lacks ambition in the boards mind. In their background checks etc, I am fairly sure they will have wanted a high profile manager with the potential to kick on. Gerrard has the drive and potential to do well, and is not stupid. He talks about his coaching staff at length in the articles I have read, it is clear we need to ensure we get the right team around him, but I look forward to him doing well.
Post by: john e on November 10, 2021, 08:28:35 AM
Plenty have come with high expectations and ambition only to leave completely shot and washed out
Even managers strong footballing principles seems to die a death over time when they get over to Bodymoor Heaths draining system
82% Against in the H&V poll let’s hope he bucks that trend
Post by: LeeB on November 10, 2021, 08:28:53 AM
Fuck. Well, odds are massively against it working out, but I hope I'm wrong. In the meantime, I just feel a little embarrassed.
I’m intrigued. Why are the odds stacked in favour of someone like Favre when he’s been out of work for 12 months, never been near the premier league and couldn’t nail the Palace job but odds massively against Gerrard working out? What are you basing this on?
How often is it that a great player, especially one whose game was based on explosive individual quality, make a great manager? Maradona? Bryan Robson? Roy Keane? Being born a horse doesn't make you a jockey.
Face it, even if it works out it's a faintly embarrassing appointment, based on being impressed by fame and connections with another club. Not great reasoning for a club with apparently greater ambitions than making headlines from the middle of the Championship.
On top the recruitment strategy in the summer it's making me start to doubt for the first time.
Post by: Beard82 on November 10, 2021, 08:29:01 AM
This is what I think - it may well be a success - but that would be more by luck then judgement.Fuck. Well, odds are massively against it working out, but I hope I'm wrong. In the meantime, I just feel a little embarrassed.
I’m intrigued. Why are the odds stacked in favour of someone like Favre when he’s been out of work for 12 months, never been near the premier league and couldn’t nail the Palace job but odds massively against Gerrard working out? What are you basing this on?
How often is it that a great player, especially one whose game was based on explosive individual quality, make a great manager? Maradona? Bryan Robson? Roy Keane? Being born a horse doesn't make you a jockey.
Face it, even if it works out it's a faintly embarrassing appointment, based on being impressed by fame and connections with another club. Not great reasoning for a club with apparently greater ambitions than making headlines from the middle of the Championship.
If it wasn't for his playing career this would have no support. From what I have read he has done well at Rangers, by overseeing a modernization of the club.
We have already done that.
Post by: Bobby Boy on November 10, 2021, 08:31:16 AM
Grauniad has the Gerrard story as its splash this morning:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/09/aston-villa-want-steven-gerrard-next-manager-plan-rangers-approach
I'm not a fan of his appointment - were it to happen - but to say it lacks ambition is a bit disingenuous. He will, I think, be totally pumped to succeed and has a backroom team to make a strong case that he will do alright.
As a 2 or 3 year appointment, it may work out well for all concerned.
If the managers drive is to manage Liverpool, he will certainly give it his all and I’d say he would have to have some kind of success over 3 years or so. Most managers shelf life these days seems to be that length of time anyway, so one way of looking at this is both us and he will have had a great period.
If we end up with a cup along the way and he moves on if accept that. After all the same may happen with any manager, especially the older more proven ones.
'if we end up with a cup... In 3 years' is one hell of an 'if'.
No-one has managed it in 25 years so good luck with that.
Maybe we can enter the pitch to 'You' ll Never Walk Alone' to make him feel at home.
Post by: Beard82 on November 10, 2021, 08:31:28 AM
We needed to ensure that Dean had the right team around him, arguably, and based on the last 4 months that went and was replaced with poor replacementsI think gerrard will be massively motivated which feels me with abit of confidence. I like that he is a tough charchter and he will command respect and will get it because of his huge name in the game.
I think despite what people might think of him attract a high calibre of player to the club. I do think there are some positives to this move but without question a huge gamble
About where I am. I am open minded on it, I don't think it lacks ambition in the boards mind. In their background checks etc, I am fairly sure they will have wanted a high profile manager with the potential to kick on. Gerrard has the drive and potential to do well, and is not stupid. He talks about his coaching staff at length in the articles I have read, it is clear we need to ensure we get the right team around him, but I look forward to him doing well.
Post by: ozzjim on November 10, 2021, 08:32:34 AM
Post by: Mister E on November 10, 2021, 08:33:31 AM
Yes: we're on a journey so, of course, it has (like all managerial appointments) an built-in impermanence.Grauniad has the Gerrard story as its splash this morning:And that's all it would be. An appointment with built-in impermanence.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/09/aston-villa-want-steven-gerrard-next-manager-plan-rangers-approach
I'm not a fan of his appointment - were it to happen - but to say it lacks ambition is a bit disingenuous. He will, I think, be totally pumped to succeed and has a backroom team to make a strong case that he will do alright.
As a 2 or 3 year appointment, it may work out well for all concerned.
A motorway service station stop on the way to the real destination.
Is that where we're at?
Post by: ozzjim on November 10, 2021, 08:33:40 AM
We needed to ensure that Dean had the right team around him, arguably, and based on the last 4 months that went and was replaced with poor replacementsI think gerrard will be massively motivated which feels me with abit of confidence. I like that he is a tough charchter and he will command respect and will get it because of his huge name in the game.
I think despite what people might think of him attract a high calibre of player to the club. I do think there are some positives to this move but without question a huge gamble
About where I am. I am open minded on it, I don't think it lacks ambition in the boards mind. In their background checks etc, I am fairly sure they will have wanted a high profile manager with the potential to kick on. Gerrard has the drive and potential to do well, and is not stupid. He talks about his coaching staff at length in the articles I have read, it is clear we need to ensure we get the right team around him, but I look forward to him doing well.
Agree completely. But no one knows what happened this summer beyond Dean and Lange I suspect. It was a shit show, and should be a lesson to the board.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 10, 2021, 08:34:07 AM
How often is it that a great player, especially one whose game was based on explosive individual quality, make a great manager? Maradona? Bryan Robson? Roy Keane? Being born a horse doesn't make you a jockey.
Face it, even if it works out it's a faintly embarrassing appointment, based on being impressed by fame and connections with another club. Not great reasoning for a club with apparently greater ambitions than making headlines from the middle of the Championship.
But there must be more to it, surely. Even if the assumption Purslow is star-struck is true, he still has to convince both owners this is the right move for the club. Are we then saying our owners either don't ask any questions about a very large investment of theirs or is the inference they are gullible idiots?
Post by: KRS on November 10, 2021, 08:35:39 AM
Post by: ROBBO on November 10, 2021, 08:37:15 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on November 10, 2021, 08:38:30 AM
Grauniad has the Gerrard story as its splash this morning:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/09/aston-villa-want-steven-gerrard-next-manager-plan-rangers-approach
I'm not a fan of his appointment - were it to happen - but to say it lacks ambition is a bit disingenuous. He will, I think, be totally pumped to succeed and has a backroom team to make a strong case that he will do alright.
As a 2 or 3 year appointment, it may work out well for all concerned.
If the managers drive is to manage Liverpool, he will certainly give it his all and I’d say he would have to have some kind of success over 3 years or so. Most managers shelf life these days seems to be that length of time anyway, so one way of looking at this is both us and he will have had a great period.
If we end up with a cup along the way and he moves on if accept that. After all the same may happen with any manager, especially the older more proven ones.
I’m intrigued by the bit in bold. What kind of success did Lampard have before becoming chelski’s manager?
I don’t think it’s a given that liverpool’s next manager (sg) has to be successful at Villa. They’ll spin it that he was a legend there and Villa was a learning curve and he’ll have “better” players to choose from and their “structure” is better and he was unappreciated by Villa fans and, and, and...and he’ll get a free pass no matter what.
Poor from Villa if this happens!
Post by: john e on November 10, 2021, 08:39:42 AM
We all knew more than the papers and the media he was staying because of this this and this and there was no reliable source to suggest otherwise
In the end he fucked off they were right
In the end Gerard will be the next for the manager if he wants it
Post by: Small Rodent on November 10, 2021, 08:42:42 AM
Apart from the usual rumours in the press is there any reliable source that says it will be Gerrard?
Not that I’ve heard.
These multiple threads are reminding me of a friend down the pub who every week has a near meltdown about something that hasn’t happened yet and how he’s going to deal with it. It rarely happens. And the next week it’s something else.
I’m reserving my energy.
Post by: Beard82 on November 10, 2021, 08:43:14 AM
How often is it that a great player, especially one whose game was based on explosive individual quality, make a great manager? Maradona? Bryan Robson? Roy Keane? Being born a horse doesn't make you a jockey.
Face it, even if it works out it's a faintly embarrassing appointment, based on being impressed by fame and connections with another club. Not great reasoning for a club with apparently greater ambitions than making headlines from the middle of the Championship.
But there must be more to it, surely. Even if the assumption Purslow is star-struck is true, he still has to convince both owners this is the right move for the club. Are we then saying our owners either don't ask any questions about a very large investment of theirs or is the inference they are gullible idiots?
Yea your right - my impression has been though they let people do there jobs so will back CPs recommendation if they get the right assurances.
It may be that there is a genuine believe that he has the qualities we need at the moment - at the end of the day they know what’s happening behind the scenes.
It feels like a massive gamble to me - but maybe they will prove us wrong and this turns out to be an amazing appointment.
I think this must mean I am now entering into the acceptance phase of my grief
Post by: Duncan Shaw on November 10, 2021, 08:48:10 AM
Apart from the usual rumours in the press is there any reliable source that says it will be Gerrard?John Percy is reporting it this morning, he is normally pretty good.
Post by: WarszaVillan on November 10, 2021, 08:50:23 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 10, 2021, 08:52:41 AM
We needed to ensure that Dean had the right team around him, arguably, and based on the last 4 months that went and was replaced with poor replacementsI think gerrard will be massively motivated which feels me with abit of confidence. I like that he is a tough charchter and he will command respect and will get it because of his huge name in the game.
I think despite what people might think of him attract a high calibre of player to the club. I do think there are some positives to this move but without question a huge gamble
About where I am. I am open minded on it, I don't think it lacks ambition in the boards mind. In their background checks etc, I am fairly sure they will have wanted a high profile manager with the potential to kick on. Gerrard has the drive and potential to do well, and is not stupid. He talks about his coaching staff at length in the articles I have read, it is clear we need to ensure we get the right team around him, but I look forward to him doing well.
Two of his first team quit on him and he bought in some pretty useless people in judging on the crap we see from our set piece coach.
Smith was involved with the transfers so he has to take responsibility along with lange. I do think deans biggest mistake was not getting that dynamic bissouma type cm we all screamed for me. He said we had enough options but we all could all see we didnt.
Post by: Beard82 on November 10, 2021, 08:57:09 AM
We needed to ensure that Dean had the right team around him, arguably, and based on the last 4 months that went and was replaced with poor replacementsI think gerrard will be massively motivated which feels me with abit of confidence. I like that he is a tough charchter and he will command respect and will get it because of his huge name in the game.
I think despite what people might think of him attract a high calibre of player to the club. I do think there are some positives to this move but without question a huge gamble
About where I am. I am open minded on it, I don't think it lacks ambition in the boards mind. In their background checks etc, I am fairly sure they will have wanted a high profile manager with the potential to kick on. Gerrard has the drive and potential to do well, and is not stupid. He talks about his coaching staff at length in the articles I have read, it is clear we need to ensure we get the right team around him, but I look forward to him doing well.
Two of his first team quit on him and he bought in some pretty useless people in judging on the crap we see from our set piece coach.
Smith was involved with the transfers so he has to take responsibility along with lange. I do think deans biggest mistake was not getting that dynamic bissouma type cm we all screamed for me. He said we had enough options but we all could all see we didnt.
Personally I am not convinced that these two new appointments were his. I think they were forced on him - given that they didn’t get sacked like shakey did
Post by: Duncan Shaw on November 10, 2021, 09:01:50 AM
Post by: Monty on November 10, 2021, 09:03:00 AM
Monty agree they are not common, but Cruyff, Ancellotti, Guardiola, Zidane, Deschamps, Simeone, Dalglish etc were all very successful players and went on to be successful managers. I accept it's not the norm, but it doesn't mean Gerrard can't go on to be an elite level manager.
Ancelotti, Simeone, Guardiola and Deschamps were ultimate team players, they achieved what they did through collaboration and executing a plan. And Cruyff was the star of Total Football, but it was still Total Football, one of the most team-focused systems ever devised.
As for Zidane and Dalglish, yeah it shows it can happen, especially back at their clubs for various reasons. None of these things apply to Gerrard or to us.
Post by: The Edge on November 10, 2021, 09:23:31 AM
We can analyse Gerrards potential appointment until we're blue in the face but it's a gamble and one that the club did not need to take. I'm still clinging to the faint hope that it's pure press speculation and the club actually have a masterstroke up their sleeves. I did hear an alternative view on the radio last night that the club is spooked by the 15k waiting list for season tickets and aren't ready to upgrade the stadium so they're doing this to calm our expectations down. For a brief moment I actually thought that there might be something in that. That's just how much my mind has been messed up by this whole shit show.Monty agree they are not common, but Cruyff, Ancellotti, Guardiola, Zidane, Deschamps, Simeone, Dalglish etc were all very successful players and went on to be successful managers. I accept it's not the norm, but it doesn't mean Gerrard can't go on to be an elite level manager.
Ancelotti, Simeone, Guardiola and Deschamps were ultimate team players, they achieved what they did through collaboration and executing a plan. And Cruyff was the star of Total Football, but it was still Total Football, one of the most team-focused systems ever devised.
As for Zidane and Dalglish, yeah it shows it can happen, especially back at their clubs for various reasons. None of these things apply to Gerrard or to us.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 10, 2021, 09:24:01 AM
You're begining to sound like a 'woe is me' Blues fan.It can be argued whether you think Gerrard is any good or not, he may well be, but eitherway I don't think it can be argued that the appointment (should it happen) shows any serious ambition. It just doesn't in my opinion. I saw a clip of Simon Jordan on twitter saying we should be aiming higher than Gerrard, who may become elite but he's not there yet whereas Villa are and he's absolutely right... the tanned gob.
What I will say is I don't think he'll be anything like Houllier on the Liverpool fawning front. He doesn't give that vibe to me. It'll be the media that's the problem and not him.
I think he'll be offered the job and then it'll be up to him.
I agree, I think I said earlier that Houllier seemed to have his head in the clouds when we appointed him. I will give credit where it's due and say that I believe Gerrard would be too switched-on and professional to go in for that.
But I also agree that appointing Gerrard would show no ambition. Particularly not after fucking Tottenham just got Conte.
The London thing, okay, that's just a symptom of successive governments focusing investment in London to the detriment of the rest of the country. But to read people trying to justify Tottenham's new stadium as a selling point to a manager is baffling. Why? The manager isn't going to live in the stadium.
I am utterly fucked off by clubs based in unfashionable regions being expected to embrace a diminished place in the game because of geopolitical investment patterns. Even after 20 years of media propaganda, Tottenham are fucking nothing. 13 years ago, Man City were fucking nothing.
Why should we have to accept that we cannot either win respect through demography (as Tottenham did through being based in London), nor can we buy success (as Man City did through blood money)?
It's a rigged fucking game based on regional prejudices and concentration of the media in the South East and North West.
It's not the media's fault that Man City have spent a couple of billion on players since taking them over.
I agree but I do get the anger though, there is a general vibe of us not being as fashionable, always just 'traditional' and not much more. Even little things like Martinez in an article about his Argentina exploits being referred to as 'Ex-Arsenal' rather than 'Villa keeper'. Not that I haven't accepted us being overlooked, we have done for a while and I guess our recent stint in the Champ doesn't help. A more ambitious manager option would help correct it a bit.
The whole idea of there being a traditional 'top four' or 'big six' is a media invention. Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal - they have been regularly successful for the past 60-odd years. But look at the League, FA Cup and League Cup winners going back to the early 60s.
It's an artificial landscape. The media and the PL have paved over a rich and varied garden and supplanted it with a grotesque monoculture based in (ideally North) London and the North West.
Half of the national sports media support Tottenham, so of course they can appoint Mourinho or Conte. But us? Oh fuck no, we couldn't possibly tempt anybody from the Dutch league, and have to think twice about whether we could attract a manager from Brighton who has done no better than our previous manager.
The reason Spurs can attract Mourihno and Conte is that they've been in the top 6 for the last 10 years and played in the Champions League 5 of those. The fact that they now play in one of the best stadiums in the world and are located in one of the most cosmopolitan Cities in the world would be a bonus for some.
The reason we can't is that we haven't been close to the top 6 for 10 years and have spent 3 of those in the second division.
Newcastle, the richest club in world football have had to make do with Eddie Howe. Even Man City had to start with Stuart Pearce and Mark Hughes.
The other reason we're not getting a Conte is that one isn't available. Ten Hag would be an enormously attractive appointment but he's on a superb run with Ajax, did great in the CL last year and will be having another run at it this year with one of the best Ajax teams in memory. I stongly suspect he's then lined up for the Man Utd job in the summer.
Outside of him the pool looks pretty thin. I'd love Rodgers, but he's happy at Leicester and they're some way ahead of us team wise at the moment, have wealthy owners and are jst about to up their stadium to c 40k. They're not as tin-pot as some think.
I've been pretty vocal about Gerrard being a poor / risky appointment, but to suggest we should be as attractive as the likes of Spurs right now to an ambitious manger already managing in the CL is laughable.
Post by: wince on November 10, 2021, 09:24:13 AM
Post by: dicedlam on November 10, 2021, 09:26:38 AM
We needed to ensure that Dean had the right team around him, arguably, and based on the last 4 months that went and was replaced with poor replacementsI think gerrard will be massively motivated which feels me with abit of confidence. I like that he is a tough charchter and he will command respect and will get it because of his huge name in the game.
I think despite what people might think of him attract a high calibre of player to the club. I do think there are some positives to this move but without question a huge gamble
About where I am. I am open minded on it, I don't think it lacks ambition in the boards mind. In their background checks etc, I am fairly sure they will have wanted a high profile manager with the potential to kick on. Gerrard has the drive and potential to do well, and is not stupid. He talks about his coaching staff at length in the articles I have read, it is clear we need to ensure we get the right team around him, but I look forward to him doing well.
Two of his first team quit on him and he bought in some pretty useless people in judging on the crap we see from our set piece coach.
Smith was involved with the transfers so he has to take responsibility along with lange. I do think deans biggest mistake was not getting that dynamic bissouma type cm we all screamed for me. He said we had enough options but we all could all see we didnt.
Personally I am not convinced that these two new appointments were his. I think they were forced on him - given that they didn’t get sacked like shakey did
Let's just say that both Smith and Lange mutually agreed on the appointments...
Post by: Demitri_C on November 10, 2021, 09:26:40 AM
We needed to ensure that Dean had the right team around him, arguably, and based on the last 4 months that went and was replaced with poor replacementsI think gerrard will be massively motivated which feels me with abit of confidence. I like that he is a tough charchter and he will command respect and will get it because of his huge name in the game.
I think despite what people might think of him attract a high calibre of player to the club. I do think there are some positives to this move but without question a huge gamble
About where I am. I am open minded on it, I don't think it lacks ambition in the boards mind. In their background checks etc, I am fairly sure they will have wanted a high profile manager with the potential to kick on. Gerrard has the drive and potential to do well, and is not stupid. He talks about his coaching staff at length in the articles I have read, it is clear we need to ensure we get the right team around him, but I look forward to him doing well.
Two of his first team quit on him and he bought in some pretty useless people in judging on the crap we see from our set piece coach.
Smith was involved with the transfers so he has to take responsibility along with lange. I do think deans biggest mistake was not getting that dynamic bissouma type cm we all screamed for me. He said we had enough options but we all could all see we didnt.
Personally I am not convinced that these two new appointments were his. I think they were forced on him - given that they didn’t get sacked like shakey did
Could be mate. I do think mcphee was a smith appointment as im sure i read smith say he has known about him for a while. That danks bloke i have no idea
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 10, 2021, 09:31:19 AM
He wouldn't be my choice, but who knows what the right appointment is. Remember when we all got excited about Ole maybe coming because there was a film with people saying nice things about him from Norway. If he comes I hope it will be with his full backroom staff, because at least he seems to have a good team around him.
Not all of us did. That was stupid fanboy wank and so is this.
Post by: Ads on November 10, 2021, 09:43:37 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 10, 2021, 09:49:02 AM
Beale seems an interesting coach.
Ive done a bit of reading about him. He looks like a really impressive coach. Some rangers fans were even callimg for him to be manager at one point.
This definitely be a welcome addition. Be delighted to see mccalister back. He was great last time round with houllier.
Post by: Mister E on November 10, 2021, 09:50:06 AM
You're beginning to sound like a 'woe is me' Blues fan.Agree with most of what you're saying here, Chris.
The reason Spurs can attract Mourihno and Conte is that they've been in the top 6 for the last 10 years and played in the Champions League 5 of those. The fact that they now play in one of the best stadiums in the world and are located in one of the most cosmopolitan Cities in the world would be a bonus for some.
The reason we can't is that we haven't been close to the top 6 for 10 years and have spent 3 of those in the second division.
Newcastle, the richest club in world football have had to make do with Eddie Howe. Even Man City had to start with Stuart Pearce and Mark Hughes.
The other reason we're not getting a Conte is that one isn't available. Ten Hag would be an enormously attractive appointment but he's on a superb run with Ajax, did great in the CL last year and will be having another run at it this year with one of the best Ajax teams in memory. I strongly suspect he's then lined up for the Man Utd job in the summer.
Outside of him the pool looks pretty thin. I'd love Rodgers, but he's happy at Leicester and they're some way ahead of us team wise at the moment, have wealthy owners and are just about to up their stadium to c 40k. They're not as tin-pot as some think.
I've been pretty vocal about Gerrard being a poor / risky appointment, but to suggest we should be as attractive as the likes of Spurs right now to an ambitious manger already managing in the CL is laughable.
Post by: Mister E on November 10, 2021, 09:51:34 AM
Eventually: we were on a rollercoaster until the last half-a-dozen games.Beale seems an interesting coach.... Be delighted to see mccalister back. He was great last time round with houllier.
But, yes, both Beale and McAllister get a good write-up.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 10, 2021, 10:01:09 AM
Not my favourite choice, but this is nothing to do with who he played for, media love ins, possibly losing him in a few years or who he currently manages.
On the upside he comes with a highly regarded coaching team and, pub league or not, had the wherewithall to manage a team that stopped Celtic winning a 10th title in a row.
More importantly for me, I understand his style of play is very similar to how Liverpool set up. This is by some distance my favourite type of football in the modern era and I think it will suit most of our players very well. Watkins, Ings and Bailey could be an excellent front three. Obviously we'll need to upgrade at least one fullback and will need a better DM (which we'll need anyway however we chose to play) but otherwise I think we're well set up for it.
I'm confident Gerrard will conduct himself with dignity in the same way Terry did and I don't for one minute expect to see the Liverpool fawning so many are fearful of.
I've heard people talk about Gerrard as a player (including Peter Crouch on his podcast) and one common theme was he demanded incredibly high standards. I expect our fitness and running stats to massively improve. I know people scoff at the 'born winner' tag, but there's nothing wrong with having a manager with the fierce drive and ambition Gerrard has. If it's backed up by an excellent coach (as it seems to be at the moment) then it could certainly be a recipe for success.
I remain a sceptical about his level of experience and of course this could go both ways. But now it's almost certainly him I'm all in. He has my 100% support and I'm very excited to see what we can do.
Post by: WarszaVillan on November 10, 2021, 10:08:08 AM
He wouldn't be my choice, but who knows what the right appointment is. Remember when we all got excited about Ole maybe coming because there was a film with people saying nice things about him from Norway. If he comes I hope it will be with his full backroom staff, because at least he seems to have a good team around him.
Not all of us did. That was stupid fanboy wank and so is this.
Did you not change your username using Norwegian letters? The other one was Henry of course. I'm not totally against this as he has a decent team around him and some experience, I've given up trying to guess who makes a decent manager it all seems a bit of a lottery. But it is very underwhelming.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 10, 2021, 10:14:14 AM
I didn’t either , coul d not understand the hysteria.He wouldn't be my choice, but who knows what the right appointment is. Remember when we all got excited about Ole maybe coming because there was a film with people saying nice things about him from Norway. If he comes I hope it will be with his full backroom staff, because at least he seems to have a good team around him.
Not all of us did. That was stupid fanboy wank and so is this.
Post by: AV82EC on November 10, 2021, 10:16:14 AM
What this has shown, not on H and V, how small c conservative and traditional our fan base is and maybe that’s part of the DNA of this club and the owners have recognised it.
Anyway if he comes he’ll have my support like for all other managers but I can’t say I’m particularly enamoured. Hope he proves me wrong.
Post by: aev on November 10, 2021, 10:16:43 AM
In terms of moving forward it looks like it's going to be Gerrard.
Not my favourite choice, but this is nothing to do with who he played for, media love ins, possibly losing him in a few years or who he currently manages.
On the upside he comes with a highly regarded coaching team and, pub league or not, had the wherewithall to manage a team that stopped Celtic winning a 10th title in a row.
More importantly for me, I understand his style of play is very similar to how Liverpool set up. This is by some distance my favourite type of football in the modern era and I think it will suit most of our players very well. Watkins, Ings and Bailey could be an excellent front three. Obviously we'll need to upgrade at least one fullback and will need a better DM (which we'll need anyway however we chose to play) but otherwise I think we're well set up for it.
I'm confident Gerrard will conduct himself with dignity in the same way Terry did and I don't for one minute expect to see the Liverpool fawning so many are fearful of.
I've heard people talk about Gerrard as a player (including Peter Crouch on his podcast) and one common theme was he demanded incredibly high standards. I expect our fitness and running stats to massively improve. I know people scoff at the 'born winner' tag, but there's nothing wrong with having a manager with the fierce drive and ambition Gerrard has. If it's backed up by an excellent coach (as it seems to be at the moment) then it could certainly be a recipe for success.
I remain a sceptical about his level of experience and of course this could go both ways. But now it's almost certainly him I'm all in. He has my 100% support and I'm very excited to see what we can do.
+1
Post by: ozzjim on November 10, 2021, 10:17:42 AM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 10, 2021, 10:18:03 AM
Just heard Simon Jordan on Talksport.
He reckons Gerrard is a smokescreen.
What does he know?
Post by: nigel on November 10, 2021, 10:25:37 AM
These others may have been the Favre’s Emery’s and Fonseca’s of the coaching world, but they may have said ‘no’ leaving Gerrard in pole position.
Gerrard will be, without question, a gamble, but McAlister has been around a bit and has a good reputation.
If I recall Houllier wanted him to take over when he retired. I thought at the time that McAlister and Houllier, as DOF, would have been a good thing for us.
One thing Gerrard has in his favour is that he is well know throughout the footballing world and will have no trouble attracting players to the club.
Post by: sickbeggar on November 10, 2021, 10:28:19 AM
Gerrard is a whole new level. Probably replacing Smith with him doesn't help.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 10, 2021, 10:30:51 AM
Post by: Gary Penrice on November 10, 2021, 10:34:29 AM
There is a 3rd guy that seems pretty important, Tom something, that Rangers fans seem to think is integral to what they do.
Tom Culshaw
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 10, 2021, 10:36:56 AM
There is a 3rd guy that seems pretty important, Tom something, that Rangers fans seem to think is integral to what they do.
Are you sure it wasn't Tim?
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 10, 2021, 10:38:24 AM
He wouldn't be my choice, but who knows what the right appointment is. Remember when we all got excited about Ole maybe coming because there was a film with people saying nice things about him from Norway. If he comes I hope it will be with his full backroom staff, because at least he seems to have a good team around him.
Not all of us did. That was stupid fanboy wank and so is this.
Did you not change your username using Norwegian letters?
No, mate. I was moaning about it being a fanwank appointment with no experience. I could probably have saved a lot of time in the last few days if I'd just copied and pasted those threads and randomly interjected "St Johnstone" every couple of paragraphs.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 10, 2021, 10:48:39 AM
Simon Jordan says we should be going for the Ajax manager. That would do.
can we swap him for Purslow
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 10, 2021, 10:51:14 AM
My eyes! My eyes!
No more mega quotes please
fuck me lads . agree , im on a shitty mobile phone with a weak connection. :)
Post by: LeeB on November 10, 2021, 10:55:19 AM
Beale seems an interesting coach.
Ive done a bit of reading about him. He looks like a really impressive coach. Some rangers fans were even callimg for him to be manager at one point.
This definitely be a welcome addition. Be delighted to see mccalister back. He was great last time round with houllier.
Well give him the fucking job then instead of that suedeheaded bellend.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 10, 2021, 10:56:45 AM
Good idea.Simon Jordan says we should be going for the Ajax manager. That would do.
can we swap him for Purslow
Post by: Villan82 on November 10, 2021, 10:59:58 AM
There is a 3rd guy that seems pretty important, Tom something, that Rangers fans seem to think is integral to what they do.
Are you sure it wasn't Tim?
When I want on yesterday they were speculating on whether a journalist linking SG with Villa was a 'Timmy'. In 2021.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 10, 2021, 11:00:18 AM
Post by: ozzjim on November 10, 2021, 11:02:10 AM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 10, 2021, 11:08:55 AM
That's where Sherwood's popped up then!There is a 3rd guy that seems pretty important, Tom something, that Rangers fans seem to think is integral to what they do.
Are you sure it wasn't Tim?
When I want on yesterday they were speculating on whether a journalist linking SG with Villa was a 'Timmy'. In 2021.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 10, 2021, 11:12:10 AM
Oh he gets it, that game is moved to be on sky
I don't think it can be now.
Post by: murgsy on November 10, 2021, 11:17:37 AM
Not sure if it's been posted but here's a video interview with Michael Beale, Gerrard's first tem coach. It's a long watch a 30 mins and not been through it all yet, but there's some good stuff there.
Micahel Beale is very impressive. Both his experience in great coaching setups, as well as the comments from players - are very attractive.
Post by: john e on November 10, 2021, 11:41:46 AM
He’s 33
My other son is 13 and he doesn’t seem against the idea
Probably because he swayed by the big-name
Post by: Demitri_C on November 10, 2021, 11:42:39 AM
Oh he gets it, that game is moved to be on sky
I don't think it can be now.
I think YOUR right
That was deliberate 😉
Post by: BC Villain on November 10, 2021, 11:51:23 AM
My son just text me saying ‘this project bullshit is becoming more and more a load of crap to me’
He’s 33
My other son is 13 and he doesn’t seem against the idea
Probably because he swayed by the big-name
Still is a project. A Purslow vanity project
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 10, 2021, 12:04:24 PM
Really good watch.Not sure if it's been posted but here's a video interview with Michael Beale, Gerrard's first tem coach. It's a long watch a 30 mins and not been through it all yet, but there's some good stuff there.
Micahel Beale is very impressive. Both his experience in great coaching setups, as well as the comments from players - are very attractive.
Very impressed.
Post by: Villan82 on November 10, 2021, 12:07:04 PM
Post by: Monty on November 10, 2021, 12:10:12 PM
If we didn't find this regime in 2018 we might not have an Aston Villa to support right now, yet alone one back in the top flight. Some of the comments are ridiculous.
I think I've praised pretty much everything about this ownership, from hiring Dean to letting him go at the right time. I'm mightily underwhelmed by the Gerrard appointment however. He seems to want to play the right football and he has a good coaching staff so I'm not entirely pessimistic; the trouble is, take the same record, style and coaching team and remove the name 'Steven Gerrard' and I don't think we'd be looking at the Rangers manager, and therein lies my problem.
Post by: aev on November 10, 2021, 12:13:03 PM
If we didn't find this regime in 2018 we might not have an Aston Villa to support right now, yet alone one back in the top flight. Some of the comments are ridiculous.
I think I've praised pretty much everything about this ownership, from hiring Dean to letting him go at the right time. I'm mightily underwhelmed by the Gerrard appointment however. He seems to want to play the right football and he has a good coaching staff so I'm not entirely pessimistic; the trouble is, take the same record, style and coaching team and remove the name 'Steven Gerrard' and I don't think we'd be looking at the Rangers manager, and therein lies my problem.
Probably not, but should we have been looking in that direction?
He has done well there, albeit in the 2 horse race.
And the Dutch league is not far off a 2 horse race either.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 10, 2021, 12:15:21 PM
My son just text me saying ‘this project bullshit is becoming more and more a load of crap to me’
He’s 33
My other son is 13 and he doesn’t seem against the idea
Probably because he swayed by the big-name
Your 13 year old's soul hasn't been crushed yet. It'll come.
Post by: Villan82 on November 10, 2021, 12:17:17 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 10, 2021, 12:20:42 PM
A lot of posts questioning our ambition. Is not fair to say that them not sacking Dean Smith, and thereby suggesting that 18 defeats in 35 games was acceptable, would be an even more worrying sign with us averaging less than a point per game?That's very true. For me, it feels like since the summer a lot of bollocks have been dropped - and Deans taken the more than his fair share of the blame.
Not sayit its wrong that he went - but I would expect SG to get us at least 12th by the end of the season - otherwise I'll be expecting the same logic to be applied to him
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 10, 2021, 12:21:20 PM
A lot of posts questioning our ambition. Is not fair to say that them not sacking Dean Smith, and thereby suggesting that 18 defeats in 35 games was acceptable, would be an even more worrying sign with us averaging less than a point per game?
They're not mutually exclusive though. Sacking Dean Smith isn't a lack of ambition but signing Gerrard would be in my opinion.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 10, 2021, 12:22:23 PM
A lot of posts questioning our ambition. Is not fair to say that them not sacking Dean Smith, and thereby suggesting that 18 defeats in 35 games was acceptable, would be an even more worrying sign with us averaging less than a point per game?
Don't think it is that simple.
I understand the logic to sacking Smith - he had to go, in my opinion.
However, that's an opinion formed on an assumption that he'll be replaced with someone better qualified to move us to where we want to get, and i don't see how Gerrard addresses that.
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2021, 12:24:08 PM
He wouldn't be my choice, but who knows what the right appointment is. Remember when we all got excited about Ole maybe coming because there was a film with people saying nice things about him from Norway. If he comes I hope it will be with his full backroom staff, because at least he seems to have a good team around him.
Not all of us did. That was stupid fanboy wank and so is this.
Did you not change your username using Norwegian letters?
No, mate. I was moaning about it being a fanwank appointment with no experience. I could probably have saved a lot of time in the last few days if I'd just copied and pasted those threads and randomly interjected "St Johnstone" every couple of paragraphs.
Personally that was very different, we'd just got rid of a ultra-defensive dull scot and the 2 alternatives that seemed to be doing the rounds were Lambert and Martinez, neither of whom I liked, Lambert felt very much like he was only included because fans had chanted his name a few weeks earlier and Martinez played pretty but ultimately ineffectual football. On top of that I was in the middle of moving to Norway so I'd been spending a lot of time in hotels over there and watching their domestic football, his Molde team were light years ahead of anyone else and created a lot of chances. I just wanted to see a Villa team that cared about scoring goals more than backs-to-the-wall defending.
Now we're replacing a popular manager who had us play some fantastic football at times but just couldn't find any consistency so we should be looking for someone with a reputation of providing consistent performances with talented players where you need to be 'on your game' almost every week. For me Gerrard doesn't tick the boxes, if he did I wouldn't give a shit about the 'fanboy wank' element of it.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 10, 2021, 12:25:01 PM
A lot of posts questioning our ambition. Is not fair to say that them not sacking Dean Smith, and thereby suggesting that 18 defeats in 35 games was acceptable, would be an even more worrying sign with us averaging less than a point per game?
Don't think it is that simple.
I understand the logic to sacking Smith - he had to go, in my opinion.
However, that's an opinion formed on an assumption that he'll be replaced with someone better qualified to move us to where we want to get, and i don't see how Gerrard addresses that.
I'd be pretty confident if there was a poll saying 'sack Dean Smith but hire Gerrard' I don't think many would see the point. I wanted Smith gone but I wouldn't have bothered.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 10, 2021, 12:26:57 PM
Doesn't look like a family holiday during the int'l break to me.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 10, 2021, 12:30:20 PM
https://twitter.com/TheIbroxChannel/status/1458405868303683590im in that London.
Doesn't look like a family holiday during the int'l break to me.
Post by: caster troy on November 10, 2021, 12:30:49 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 10, 2021, 12:35:06 PM
It would be like replacing El Ghazi with Dwight McNeil, it might turn out to be a better option but you do wonder if it is worth it and ultimately it's not what you had in mind with billionaire owners and talk of European football being the ambition.very good comparison
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2021, 12:40:16 PM
It would be like replacing El Ghazi with Dwight McNeil, it might turn out to be a better option but you do wonder if it is worth it and ultimately it's not what you had in mind with billionaire owners and talk of European football being the ambition.very good comparison
Yep, sums it up very well for me with the small addition of leaking to the press that the new winger is going to be a very ambitious signing that will show everyone how serious we are about progressing.
Post by: WarszaVillan on November 10, 2021, 12:40:41 PM
He wouldn't be my choice, but who knows what the right appointment is. Remember when we all got excited about Ole maybe coming because there was a film with people saying nice things about him from Norway. If he comes I hope it will be with his full backroom staff, because at least he seems to have a good team around him.
Not all of us did. That was stupid fanboy wank and so is this.
Did you not change your username using Norwegian letters?
No, mate. I was moaning about it being a fanwank appointment with no experience. I could probably have saved a lot of time in the last few days if I'd just copied and pasted those threads and randomly interjected "St Johnstone" every couple of paragraphs.
Personally that was very different, we'd just got rid of a ultra-defensive dull scot and the 2 alternatives that seemed to be doing the rounds were Lambert and Martinez, neither of whom I liked, Lambert felt very much like he was only included because fans had chanted his name a few weeks earlier and Martinez played pretty but ultimately ineffectual football. On top of that I was in the middle of moving to Norway so I'd been spending a lot of time in hotels over there and watching their domestic football, his Molde team were light years ahead of anyone else and created a lot of chances. I just wanted to see a Villa team that cared about scoring goals more than backs-to-the-wall defending.
Now we're replacing a popular manager who had us play some fantastic football at times but just couldn't find any consistency so we should be looking for someone with a reputation of providing consistent performances with talented players where you need to be 'on your game' almost every week. For me Gerrard doesn't tick the boxes, if he did I wouldn't give a shit about the 'fanboy wank' element of it.
Wasn't Rodgers in the running as well. I remember many thinking we'd got the better option with Lambert. Just further evidence for me that we haven't really got a clue who would work out. We are not in a position to pick a manager from the top-shelf and won't be till we get up towards the champions league places. Every appointment is therefore a gamble to some extent.
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2021, 12:46:13 PM
Wasn't Rodgers in the running as well. I remember many thinking we'd got the better option with Lambert. Just further evidence for me that we haven't really got a clue who would work out. We are not in a position to pick a manager from the top-shelf and won't be till we get up towards the champions league places. Every appointment is therefore a gamble to some extent.
I think fans were talking about it but he was appointed by Liverpool about the same time Lambert joined us so I don't recall him ever being a serious option.
Post by: Villan82 on November 10, 2021, 12:46:56 PM
A lot of posts questioning our ambition. Is not fair to say that them not sacking Dean Smith, and thereby suggesting that 18 defeats in 35 games was acceptable, would be an even more worrying sign with us averaging less than a point per game?
Don't think it is that simple.
I understand the logic to sacking Smith - he had to go, in my opinion.
However, that's an opinion formed on an assumption that he'll be replaced with someone better qualified to move us to where we want to get, and i don't see how Gerrard addresses that.
SG is not my first pick by any stretch. But he comes with a similar background to a Gregory or a Little (three years in a league a level below).
Post by: Beard82 on November 10, 2021, 12:47:53 PM
Yes perfectIt would be like replacing El Ghazi with Dwight McNeil, it might turn out to be a better option but you do wonder if it is worth it and ultimately it's not what you had in mind with billionaire owners and talk of European football being the ambition.very good comparison
Yep, sums it up very well for me with the small addition of leaking to the press that the new winger is going to be a very ambitious signing that will show everyone how serious we are about progressing.
Post by: Vegas on November 10, 2021, 12:50:06 PM
A lot of posts questioning our ambition. Is not fair to say that them not sacking Dean Smith, and thereby suggesting that 18 defeats in 35 games was acceptable, would be an even more worrying sign with us averaging less than a point per game?
Don't think it is that simple.
I understand the logic to sacking Smith - he had to go, in my opinion.
However, that's an opinion formed on an assumption that he'll be replaced with someone better qualified to move us to where we want to get, and i don't see how Gerrard addresses that.
This is why I really don’t like the “Smith (or whoever) out” sentiment without a clear understanding of who we can get instead. It’s nonsense to say “Smith out” without knowing that as you could simply be advocating making us worse.
Post by: nigel on November 10, 2021, 12:51:34 PM
If we didn't find this regime in 2018 we might not have an Aston Villa to support right now, yet alone one back in the top flight. Some of the comments are ridiculous.
I think I've praised pretty much everything about this ownership, from hiring Dean to letting him go at the right time. I'm mightily underwhelmed by the Gerrard appointment however. He seems to want to play the right football and he has a good coaching staff so I'm not entirely pessimistic; the trouble is, take the same record, style and coaching team and remove the name 'Steven Gerrard' and I don't think we'd be looking at the Rangers manager, and therein lies my problem.
The flip side could be that another manager might not have got them to where they are now and being just a top half team rather than a league winners team
After watching that interview with their coach and knowing McAlister is on the coaching staff, too, seems that Gerrard has a decent team with him.
Post by: Mister E on November 10, 2021, 12:54:25 PM
You're right but they had the forgiveness of being 'one of us'.SG is not my first pick by any stretch. But he comes with a similar background to a Gregory or a Little (three years in a league a level below).A lot of posts questioning our ambition. Is not fair to say that them not sacking Dean Smith, and thereby suggesting that 18 defeats in 35 games was acceptable, would be an even more worrying sign with us averaging less than a point per game?
Don't think it is that simple.
I understand the logic to sacking Smith - he had to go, in my opinion.
However, that's an opinion formed on an assumption that he'll be replaced with someone better qualified to move us to where we want to get, and i don't see how Gerrard addresses that.
Post by: Monty on November 10, 2021, 12:55:58 PM
As for whether another manager might have done what Gerrard's done at Rangers...I mean look, sure, maybe Rangers would have found a way to finish below that Celtic implosion, but they'd have to have been seriously, immensely incompetent to do so. Which doesn't mean Gerrard's done a bad job - just it remains hard to judge.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 10, 2021, 12:55:58 PM
Oh he gets it, that game is moved to be on sky
I don't think it can be now.
I think YOUR right
That was deliberate 😉
I now owe work a grand for the laptop I've just smashed. ☹
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2021, 12:58:07 PM
If we didn't find this regime in 2018 we might not have an Aston Villa to support right now, yet alone one back in the top flight. Some of the comments are ridiculous.
I think I've praised pretty much everything about this ownership, from hiring Dean to letting him go at the right time. I'm mightily underwhelmed by the Gerrard appointment however. He seems to want to play the right football and he has a good coaching staff so I'm not entirely pessimistic; the trouble is, take the same record, style and coaching team and remove the name 'Steven Gerrard' and I don't think we'd be looking at the Rangers manager, and therein lies my problem.
The flip side could be that another manager might not have got them to where they are now and being just a top half team rather than a league winners team
After watching that interview with their coach and knowing McAlister is on the coaching staff, too, seems that Gerrard has a decent team with him.
but as monty says in the bold bit if someone call Steven McGerrard with a playing career of middling along with Dundee had done the exact same would his name come up in this conversation?
Post by: Villan82 on November 10, 2021, 12:58:24 PM
If we didn't find this regime in 2018 we might not have an Aston Villa to support right now, yet alone one back in the top flight. Some of the comments are ridiculous.
I think I've praised pretty much everything about this ownership, from hiring Dean to letting him go at the right time. I'm mightily underwhelmed by the Gerrard appointment however. He seems to want to play the right football and he has a good coaching staff so I'm not entirely pessimistic; the trouble is, take the same record, style and coaching team and remove the name 'Steven Gerrard' and I don't think we'd be looking at the Rangers manager, and therein lies my problem.
The flip side could be that another manager might not have got them to where they are now and being just a top half team rather than a league winners team
After watching that interview with their coach and knowing McAlister is on the coaching staff, too, seems that Gerrard has a decent team with him.
In the past we have appointed the Celtic manager, the Leicester manager, the Wycombe Manager and the Brentford manager and they all did quite well.
Post by: Monty on November 10, 2021, 01:00:12 PM
Post by: Villan82 on November 10, 2021, 01:01:22 PM
I meant the current Rangers manager based on how they're doing. Obviously a great manager can come from anywhere.
As I say, I had hoped for better. I have voted No in the poll! I am not trying to pick an argument, I am just trying to look at the positives now that it looks inevitable.
Post by: DBTW on November 10, 2021, 01:02:04 PM
Especially for a third rate team according to many.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 10, 2021, 01:04:35 PM
While there are questions regarding the quality of the Standard of opposition in Scotland, the same questions cant be asked about the teams in Europe in which Rangers have done well under Gerrard.
Especially for a third rate team according to many.
They haven't done that well. He's been past the Group Stage twice, and never got past the last sixteen. This year they qualified for the Europa League Group Stage by default having lost home and away in the Champions League qualifiers to the might of Malmo.
It isn't a bad record but not anything to get too excited about, either.
Post by: nigel on November 10, 2021, 01:05:49 PM
Can I ask what all this optimism about Gary MacAllister is based on? I like him and all, but is it just about him being OK for 8 games a decade ago?
As for whether another manager might have done what Gerrard's done at Rangers...I mean look, sure, maybe Rangers would have found a way to finish below that Celtic implosion, but they'd have to have been seriously, immensely incompetent to do so. Which doesn't mean Gerrard's done a bad job - just it remains hard to judge.
Just flipping the ‘Anyone could do what Gerrard’s done’ mindset.
I certainly agree with your final sentence.
The McAlister thing is he was part of the last coaching team which made us look good pre Dean Smith.
In fairness I think he was a bit better than ‘Ok’, but maybe my memory is a bit foggy
Post by: nigel on November 10, 2021, 01:08:23 PM
If we didn't find this regime in 2018 we might not have an Aston Villa to support right now, yet alone one back in the top flight. Some of the comments are ridiculous.
I think I've praised pretty much everything about this ownership, from hiring Dean to letting him go at the right time. I'm mightily underwhelmed by the Gerrard appointment however. He seems to want to play the right football and he has a good coaching staff so I'm not entirely pessimistic; the trouble is, take the same record, style and coaching team and remove the name 'Steven Gerrard' and I don't think we'd be looking at the Rangers manager, and therein lies my problem.
The flip side could be that another manager might not have got them to where they are now and being just a top half team rather than a league winners team
After watching that interview with their coach and knowing McAlister is on the coaching staff, too, seems that Gerrard has a decent team with him.
but as monty says in the bold bit if someone call Steven McGerrard with a playing career of middling along with Dundee had done the exact same would his name come up in this conversation?
Flippin heck, Paul, if a manager got Dundee to win the SPL I’d be all for it 😂
Post by: chrisw1 on November 10, 2021, 01:09:01 PM
Potter may have been more of a sure bet to at least not implode, but would it have been any more ambitious? Not for me.
Assuming Rodgers and Ten Hag would not have jumped ship (and I'm 100% convinced they wouldn't), it seems the short list was probably Gerrard, Martinez, Hasenhuttl and possible Favre or Fonseca (but these two were more fan talk than genuine links). I'm not convinced Gerrard is demonstrably less ambitious than any of the others. We all have our opinions on who we would have preferred and Gerrard wouldn't have been my choice. But I think it's a bit of a leap to say it shows a massive lack of ambition.
Hopefully Gerrard will put us in a position where we can realistically attract the likes of Ten Hag, but we're miles off that at the moment.
Post by: Villan82 on November 10, 2021, 01:09:25 PM
Post by: Rigadon on November 10, 2021, 01:09:48 PM
If he gets off to a good start, who knows...
Post by: Grumpy on November 10, 2021, 01:10:01 PM
BUT he won’t want to come to us and fail. He won’t want to look bad and ruin the reputation he needs to get the Liverpool job.
So I will give him a chance and hope that he does so well he never wants to leave.
If not then Mr Purslow will need to fall on his sword.
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2021, 01:11:56 PM
While there are questions regarding the quality of the Standard of opposition in Scotland, the same questions cant be asked about the teams in Europe in which Rangers have done well under Gerrard.
Especially for a third rate team according to many.
Are you sure about that?
They've got a few wins against teams from Holland, Belgium and Portugal which are decent but not massively impressive and then lost as soon as they've come across teams from stronger leagues (Leverkusen and lyon).
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2021, 01:13:22 PM
The flip side could be that another manager might not have got them to where they are now and being just a top half team rather than a league winners team
After watching that interview with their coach and knowing McAlister is on the coaching staff, too, seems that Gerrard has a decent team with him.
but as monty says in the bold bit if someone call Steven McGerrard with a playing career of middling along with Dundee had done the exact same would his name come up in this conversation?
Flippin heck, Paul, if a manager got Dundee to win the SPL I’d be all for it 😂
My bad but to be clear the same record of managing rangers but with a playing career at Dundee instead of Liverpool.
Post by: Mister E on November 10, 2021, 01:14:52 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 10, 2021, 01:15:49 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2021, 01:16:02 PM
Vieira's done an initially-brilliant job at Palace from a very unpromising previous managerial position.
True, but that's notable because it doesn't happen very often.
Post by: murgsy on November 10, 2021, 01:17:11 PM
I don't think it shows a lack of ambition at all. It may show a lack judgment, but I'm pretty sure the owners and Purslow will think it's a bit of a coup and an ambitious appointment.
Potter may have been more of a sure bet to at least not implode, but would it have been any more ambitious? Not for me.
Assuming Rodgers and Ten Hag would not have jumped ship (and I'm 100% convinced they wouldn't), it seems the short list was probably Gerrard, Martinez, Hasenhuttl and possible Favre or Fonseca (but these two were more fan talk than genuine links). I'm not convinced Gerrard is demonstrably less ambitious than any of the others. We all have our opinions on who we would have preferred and Gerrard wouldn't have been my choice. But I think it's a bit of a leap to say it shows a massive lack of ambition.
Hopefully Gerrard will put us in a position where we can realistically attract the likes of Ten Hag, but we're miles off that at the moment.
Fair 'take'
Post by: Ian. on November 10, 2021, 01:17:52 PM
In terms of moving forward it looks like it's going to be Gerrard.
Not my favourite choice, but this is nothing to do with who he played for, media love ins, possibly losing him in a few years or who he currently manages.
On the upside he comes with a highly regarded coaching team and, pub league or not, had the wherewithall to manage a team that stopped Celtic winning a 10th title in a row.
More importantly for me, I understand his style of play is very similar to how Liverpool set up. This is by some distance my favourite type of football in the modern era and I think it will suit most of our players very well. Watkins, Ings and Bailey could be an excellent front three. Obviously we'll need to upgrade at least one fullback and will need a better DM (which we'll need anyway however we chose to play) but otherwise I think we're well set up for it.
I'm confident Gerrard will conduct himself with dignity in the same way Terry did and I don't for one minute expect to see the Liverpool fawning so many are fearful of.
I've heard people talk about Gerrard as a player (including Peter Crouch on his podcast) and one common theme was he demanded incredibly high standards. I expect our fitness and running stats to massively improve. I know people scoff at the 'born winner' tag, but there's nothing wrong with having a manager with the fierce drive and ambition Gerrard has. If it's backed up by an excellent coach (as it seems to be at the moment) then it could certainly be a recipe for success.
I remain a sceptical about his level of experience and of course this could go both ways. But now it's almost certainly him I'm all in. He has my 100% support and I'm very excited to see what we can do.
+1
Excellent post Chris.
Post by: Villan82 on November 10, 2021, 01:18:22 PM
Post by: DBTW on November 10, 2021, 01:18:49 PM
While there are questions regarding the quality of the Standard of opposition in Scotland, the same questions cant be asked about the teams in Europe in which Rangers have done well under Gerrard.
Especially for a third rate team according to many.
Are you sure about that?
They've got a few wins against teams from Holland, Belgium and Portugal which are decent but not massively impressive and then lost as soon as they've come across teams from stronger leagues (Leverkusen and lyon).
My meaning was that he can manage a so called poor standard side on a bigger and better stage than the SPL, and get results.
With a good side at Villa, i hope he can work
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2021, 01:19:26 PM
I haven't seen it discussed, but what do we make of the quotes about them wanting to make Villa a "challenging and intense environment for players"? Did they think things were a bit too laid back at BH?
I think that's the sort of comment you see often when a team is looking for a new manager, not sure it means anything really.
Post by: Clive W on November 10, 2021, 01:22:17 PM
I’ve just watched the video with his head coach and he was very impressive
I know it is only words in front of a camera, but if his words are backed up by his actions, and the rest of the staff are of a similar standing, then it could work well
Post by: Monty on November 10, 2021, 01:23:10 PM
Post by: WarszaVillan on November 10, 2021, 01:23:22 PM
Post by: Clive W on November 10, 2021, 01:28:14 PM
So it's the staff now. Amazing the number of reasons for hiring Gerrard which aren't 'there's evidence he's a good manager.'
With the greatest respect I would suggest that you do not understand management
To be a good manager does not require you to be an expert in every aspect of the job
I have worked with a brilliant CEO who didn’t understand finance, but relied on me to provide the necessary input
Good management is making sure you have the required calibre of people around you
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 10, 2021, 01:28:51 PM
While there are questions regarding the quality of the Standard of opposition in Scotland, the same questions cant be asked about the teams in Europe in which Rangers have done well under Gerrard.
Especially for a third rate team according to many.
Are you sure about that?
They've got a few wins against teams from Holland, Belgium and Portugal which are decent but not massively impressive and then lost as soon as they've come across teams from stronger leagues (Leverkusen and lyon).
My meaning was that he can manage a so called poor standard side on a bigger and better stage than the SPL, and get results.
With a good side at Villa, i hope he can work
Are we talking about the same Steven Gerrard who a few months back got knocked out of the Champions League at the first opportunity to Malmo?
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 10, 2021, 01:32:15 PM
I haven't seen it discussed, but what do we make of the quotes about them wanting to make Villa a "challenging and intense environment for players"? Did they think things were a bit too laid back at BH?
I think that's the sort of comment you see often when a team is looking for a new manager, not sure it means anything really.
I think it means something. And likely that, yes, it's was an area of concern under Smith.
Post by: Monty on November 10, 2021, 01:35:03 PM
So it's the staff now. Amazing the number of reasons for hiring Gerrard which aren't 'there's evidence he's a good manager.'
With the greatest respect I would suggest that you do not understand management
To be a good manager does not require you to be an expert in every aspect of the job
I have worked with a brilliant CEO who didn’t understand finance, but relied on me to provide the necessary input
Good management is making sure you have the required calibre of people around you
Thanks for the revelations. Having never had a job I had no idea.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 10, 2021, 01:36:15 PM
It'll probably all end in tears, but fuck it I'm going to get excited about it. Otherwise what's the point - moan that everything will be shite and wait to be proved right? If he can get the team on the front foot, win a couple of games and get some of the kids in the team things will start looking up again.
Exactly. On top of that I have a contrary streak too, and I think this relentless negativity has had the opposite effect on me.
Post by: Villan82 on November 10, 2021, 01:36:44 PM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 10, 2021, 01:38:11 PM
So it's the staff now. Amazing the number of reasons for hiring Gerrard which aren't 'there's evidence he's a good manager.'
With the greatest respect I would suggest that you do not understand management
To be a good manager does not require you to be an expert in every aspect of the job
I have worked with a brilliant CEO who didn’t understand finance, but relied on me to provide the necessary input
Good management is making sure you have the required calibre of people around you
Thanks for the revelations.
What did you think of that Sky article, Monty? A glimmer of hope? Or further proof of how poor a decision it would be to bring him on?
Post by: Monty on November 10, 2021, 01:39:03 PM
Post by: wince on November 10, 2021, 01:39:07 PM
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Are we talking about the same Steven Gerrard who a few months back got knocked out of the Champions League at the first opportunity to Malmo?
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To be fair mate, when was the last time we were in Europe? Not saying I want Gerrard but I think we are not the draw we perhaps think we are.
As I said earlier, don’t want this dragging out too much longer. Let’s just get some points on the board.
Post by: aev on November 10, 2021, 01:39:54 PM
It'll probably all end in tears, but fuck it I'm going to get excited about it. Otherwise what's the point - moan that everything will be shite and wait to be proved right? If he can get the team on the front foot, win a couple of games and get some of the kids in the team things will start looking up again.
Exactly. On top of that I have a contrary streak too, and I think this relentless negativity has had the opposite effect on me.
Indeed.
Post by: Clive W on November 10, 2021, 01:40:33 PM
I haven't seen it discussed, but what do we make of the quotes about them wanting to make Villa a "challenging and intense environment for players"? Did they think things were a bit too laid back at BH?
I think that's the sort of comment you see often when a team is looking for a new manager, not sure it means anything really.
I think it means something. And likely that, yes, it's was an area of concern under Smith.
Does it not precede DS though?
It’s been my impression, not scientifically backed up, that over the last few seasons, no matter who our opponents are, we always seem to struggle for fitness - even against lower league opposition.
Maybe it’s because, generally speaking, our ball retention has been so poor that we end up having to do more chasing
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 10, 2021, 01:42:33 PM
Sky article was indeed a glimmer of hope. It was peppered liberally with phrases like 'League Cup exit to St. Mirren', however.
Chose hope. I like you but you are bumming me out, man.
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2021, 01:44:18 PM
I haven't seen it discussed, but what do we make of the quotes about them wanting to make Villa a "challenging and intense environment for players"? Did they think things were a bit too laid back at BH?
I think that's the sort of comment you see often when a team is looking for a new manager, not sure it means anything really.
I think it means something. And likely that, yes, it's was an area of concern under Smith.
Does it not precede DS though?
It’s been my impression, not scientifically backed up, that over the last few seasons, no matter who our opponents are, we always seem to struggle for fitness - even against lower league opposition.
Maybe it’s because, generally speaking, our ball retention has been so poor that we end up having to do more chasing
I think we looked like on of the fittest teams in the league for the first half of last season, that's a big part of why I still think the covid outbreak had as much of a derailing effect as losing Grealish did, we haven't looked the same in our pressing since then. What finally pushed me over to wanting Smith out was the fact that he seemed to give up on trying to get back there.
Post by: Villan82 on November 10, 2021, 01:47:20 PM
Are we talking about the same Steven Gerrard who a few months back got knocked out of the Champions League at the first opportunity to Malmo?
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To be fair mate, when was the last time we were in Europe? Not saying I want Gerrard but I think we are not the draw we perhaps think we are.
As I said earlier, don’t want this dragging out too much longer. Let’s just get some points on the board.
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We were regularly in the top 5, playing in Europe, outside title challenger in the 90s and two of our favourite managers of that era came from Leicester and Wycombe. I think some of the comments about Gerrard's inexperience are harsh.
Again, he isn't my first choice, but he has managed Rangers for three seasons.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 10, 2021, 01:48:17 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 10, 2021, 01:48:56 PM
Are we talking about the same Steven Gerrard who a few months back got knocked out of the Champions League at the first opportunity to Malmo?
To be fair mate, when was the last time we were in Europe? Not saying I want Gerrard but I think we are not the draw we perhaps think we are.
As I said earlier, don’t want this dragging out too much longer. Let’s just get some points on the board.
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We were regularly in the top 5, playing in Europe, outside title challenger in the 90s and two of our favourite managers of that era came from Leicester and Wycombe. I think some of the comments about Gerrard's inexperience are harsh.
Again, he isn't my first choice, but he has managed Rangers for three seasons.
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And won one out of the nine available trophies in that time.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 10, 2021, 01:49:13 PM
Post by: Clive W on November 10, 2021, 01:50:49 PM
I've chosen hope. I'm hoping that we abandon this ridiculous preoccupation with someone because they're famous and get someone in who is a proven manager.
So who would be your choice CD?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 10, 2021, 01:51:07 PM
Are we talking about the same Steven Gerrard who a few months back got knocked out of the Champions League at the first opportunity to Malmo?
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To be fair mate, when was the last time we were in Europe? Not saying I want Gerrard but I think we are not the draw we perhaps think we are.
As I said earlier, don’t want this dragging out too much longer. Let’s just get some points on the board.
Maybe we should move to Scotland if we want to qualify for Europe every season. Seems pretty easy up there.
Maybe you're right, we're not the draw we think we are, that would explain appointing a half baked manager. No doubt there will be plenty in the press saying how Gerrard performed miracles to get us midtable as we were 16th in the table when he joined.
Post by: Beard82 on November 10, 2021, 02:00:09 PM
This thread here I think is the closest I can get to putting my finger on it - https://twitter.com/Son_Lyme/status/1458415776084467716 (obviously written by someone more intelligent then me).
This is a quote
"I think Mr Purslow knows that this Villa team will gel and fire - just like Smith said in his statement. I think he knows too that even without a manager - when they do - they are more than likely too strong to go down. The poor run of form was his opportunity to make a change. With little to no risk. Gerrard is plainly a high profile target - with less of a resume than either Favre or AVB. That said, the way Gerrard plays is not too dissimilar from what Smith liked to do. A pressing 433."
I think this whole thing isn't about finding a better manager - I about finding a more high profile one that gets us more attention.
I don't think for a minute he thinks we will be any better position on the be the pitch - he just thinks the main plan can continue as normal with a high profile manager that will help the club get more attention.
Someone once hold me if somebody saying something makes you feel funny, its probably because you are being manipulated. And I think this is it - effectively there just switching the face of Villa out for a more marketing-friendly one - and they need to do that because Joe was the face before
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2021, 02:00:48 PM
But I agree with sentiment that we need to know our place in the game today. Many of us think back to great days but in truth, as much as we are a massive club, that time is a long time ago. In modern terms we’re not as relevant as we think we are. We have to earn our way back there. I’m all for the board being ambitious and the money they’ve pumped so much in so this is also a gamble on their part. So for everyone and very much us, I hope this has a positive outcome.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 10, 2021, 02:05:34 PM
I've chosen hope. I'm hoping that we abandon this ridiculous preoccupation with someone because they're famous and get someone in who is a proven manager.
So who would be your choice CD?
I don't entirely know, it isn't my job to know every top manager, though I would hope the person actually employed to make such an appointment would be doing meticulous research to get the best possible candidate rather than appointing someone because they're his mate.
However, of the names mentioned, I like the sound of ten Hag, Fonseca, Galtier, Emery and Favre.
Post by: Gary Penrice on November 10, 2021, 02:05:41 PM
Post by: Small Rodent on November 10, 2021, 02:07:20 PM
Post by: Villan82 on November 10, 2021, 02:11:14 PM
If he does come here, at least it is from another big historic team. He’ll understand what it means and the pressures.
Exactly, indeed, he comes from a bigger club than Little, Gregory, SGT and Deano and they all did fine.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2021, 02:11:47 PM
I've chosen hope. I'm hoping that we abandon this ridiculous preoccupation with someone because they're famous and get someone in who is a proven manager.
So who would be your choice CD?
I don't entirely know, it isn't my job to know every top manager, though I would hope the person actually employed to make such an appointment would be doing meticulous research to get the best possible candidate rather than appointing someone because they're his mate.
However, of the names mentioned, I like the sound of ten Hag, Fonseca, Galtier, Emery and Favre.
As we saw with Newcastle and Emery managers aren’t always available or aren’t considered the right fit. Favre has a good record but for all that, he’s also been out of work a year. Why has he not been appointed already? We don’t know the reasons behind the scenes on so much of this. And CL managers don’t just want to give that up mid season irrespective of how much money is thrown at them. Erik ten Hag will have plenty of suitors in the summer. He doesn’t need to go anywhere now. As much as we want the best out there we are currently a struggling PL club, not in Europe and so not exactly the prize catch we might think we are.
Post by: Monty on November 10, 2021, 02:16:00 PM
I'm cheered by a few things. I like how upset it will make Rangers fans. I think he, Gerrard, clearly looks like he's trying to be a serious manager at the top, and hopefully that 'humble' mantra applies to him learning too, 'cause you're never too old or too good to learn (look at Moyes' renaissance). I maintain, however, that I think the hiring process is really very suboptimal, and at best we're going on minimal evidence.
Hoping we luck out on it. But it would, to an excessive degree, be luck.
Post by: ozzjim on November 10, 2021, 02:17:15 PM
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2021, 02:19:38 PM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 10, 2021, 02:19:57 PM
Look, is my view on this appointment coloured by the fact that I've discovered my lease is being summarily ended, in 20 days, on my birthday? There is a chance.
That's pretty shit, mate. Sorry to hear it.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 10, 2021, 02:22:01 PM
If he brings his coaching team with him , he will get my full support from day one as all of you on here will probably do and in three years we can attract the likes of an Ajax manager or the like.
If he really wants that Pool job , he is not going to fuck up here easily.
Wish him the best ( If its him)
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 10, 2021, 02:22:08 PM
Edens and Sawiris haven't got to where they are by chance, and Edens clearly knows a thing or two about running a successful sporting team. Purslow isn't going to jeopardise his career by appointing Gerrard just because he's his 'friend', however true that is anyway. There's a very clear and obvious way that they seem to be setting up the club, and if they appoint Gerrard it will be because they see him as fitting in to those plans.
Yes I’d agree. It might not work, but it won’t be because Purslow wants a pal in.
Post by: Monty on November 10, 2021, 02:24:14 PM
Look, is my view on this appointment coloured by the fact that I've discovered my lease is being summarily ended, in 20 days, on my birthday? There is a chance.
That's pretty shit, mate. Sorry to hear it.
At this stage mate, it's almost comical! So many issues with apartments where I live.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 10, 2021, 02:25:33 PM
If he does come here, at least it is from another big historic team. He’ll understand what it means and the pressures.
Exactly, indeed, he comes from a bigger club than Little, Gregory, SGT and Deano and they all did fine.
They're not a big team, they were founded in 2012 and have won a third of Clyde's total honours.
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2021, 02:29:23 PM
If he does come here, at least it is from another big historic team. He’ll understand what it means and the pressures.
Exactly, indeed, he comes from a bigger club than Little, Gregory, SGT and Deano and they all did fine.
They're not a big team, they were founded in 2012 and have won a third of Clyde's total honours.
Oh come off it, that's just being pedantic for the sake of it. NSWE Limited were only incorporated in 2016, we're still Aston Villa.
Post by: Monty on November 10, 2021, 02:30:29 PM
If he does come here, at least it is from another big historic team. He’ll understand what it means and the pressures.
Exactly, indeed, he comes from a bigger club than Little, Gregory, SGT and Deano and they all did fine.
They're not a big team, they were founded in 2012 and have won a third of Clyde's total honours.
Oh come off it, that's just being pedantic for the sake of it. NSWE Limited were only incorporated in 2016, we're still Aston Villa.
Not for the sake of it - for the sake of pissing off Sevco-ites. That seems worthwhile to me.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 10, 2021, 02:32:16 PM
If he does come here, at least it is from another big historic team. He’ll understand what it means and the pressures.
Exactly, indeed, he comes from a bigger club than Little, Gregory, SGT and Deano and they all did fine.
They're not a big team, they were founded in 2012 and have won a third of Clyde's total honours.
Oh come off it, that's just being pedantic for the sake of it. NSWE Limited were only incorporated in 2016, we're still Aston Villa.
Aston Villa wasn't liquidated, Rangers were. It's a different club, that's why they were required to enter the Third Division.
Edit: also, as Monty points out, it annoys the bigots.
Post by: brian green on November 10, 2021, 02:35:08 PM
Post by: Monty on November 10, 2021, 02:38:12 PM
If he does come here, at least it is from another big historic team. He’ll understand what it means and the pressures.
Exactly, indeed, he comes from a bigger club than Little, Gregory, SGT and Deano and they all did fine.
They're not a big team, they were founded in 2012 and have won a third of Clyde's total honours.
Oh come off it, that's just being pedantic for the sake of it. NSWE Limited were only incorporated in 2016, we're still Aston Villa.
Aston Villa wasn't liquidated, Rangers were. It's a different club, that's why they were required to enter the Third Division.
Edit: also, as Monty points out, it annoys the bigots.
You, as I am, CD, must be finding the prospect of pissing them off massively to be the major silver lining on this appointment.
Post by: Clive W on November 10, 2021, 02:39:23 PM
Look, is my view on this appointment coloured by the fact that I've discovered my lease is being summarily ended, in 20 days, on my birthday? There is a chance.
That's pretty shit, mate. Sorry to hear it.
All the best Monty
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 10, 2021, 02:41:49 PM
If he does come here, at least it is from another big historic team. He’ll understand what it means and the pressures.
Exactly, indeed, he comes from a bigger club than Little, Gregory, SGT and Deano and they all did fine.
They're not a big team, they were founded in 2012 and have won a third of Clyde's total honours.
Oh come off it, that's just being pedantic for the sake of it. NSWE Limited were only incorporated in 2016, we're still Aston Villa.
Aston Villa wasn't liquidated, Rangers were. It's a different club, that's why they were required to enter the Third Division.
Edit: also, as Monty points out, it annoys the bigots.
You, as I am, CD, must be finding the prospect of pissing them off massively to be the major silver lining on this appointment.
You'd think so... but I worry they might appoint Smith and make me have to want him to fail! ☹
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 10, 2021, 02:42:48 PM
Look, is my view on this appointment coloured by the fact that I've discovered my lease is being summarily ended, in 20 days, on my birthday? There is a chance.
That's pretty shit, mate. Sorry to hear it.
All the best Monty
Just read that, good luck Monty.
Post by: Beard82 on November 10, 2021, 02:46:13 PM
All the best MontyLook, is my view on this appointment coloured by the fact that I've discovered my lease is being summarily ended, in 20 days, on my birthday? There is a chance.
That's pretty shit, mate. Sorry to hear it.
All the best Monty
Just read that, good luck Monty.
Post by: LeeB on November 10, 2021, 02:51:59 PM
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2021, 02:58:08 PM
Post by: jwarry on November 10, 2021, 03:01:55 PM
https://youtu.be/6kQJSeFJRgw
Post by: Monty on November 10, 2021, 03:03:05 PM
Anyway, thanks for the messages, it'll all work itself out. Just not put me in the best mood for opening my mind to things like 'Stevie G's Claret & Blue Army'!
Post by: cannock villa on November 10, 2021, 03:08:20 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 10, 2021, 03:10:02 PM
Look, is my view on this appointment coloured by the fact that I've discovered my lease is being summarily ended, in 20 days, on my birthday? There is a chance.
I'm cheered by a few things. I like how upset it will make Rangers fans. I think he, Gerrard, clearly looks like he's trying to be a serious manager at the top, and hopefully that 'humble' mantra applies to him learning too, 'cause you're never too old or too good to learn (look at Moyes' renaissance). I maintain, however, that I think the hiring process is really very suboptimal, and at best we're going on minimal evidence.
Hoping we luck out on it. But it would, to an excessive degree, be luck.
Sorry to heat that, check your legal rights monty.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 10, 2021, 03:11:28 PM
On the plus side, the commercial department will make a killing on claret and blue shell suits
And the match day DJ will be very careful with his choice of music. No 'Kid Creole' for starters.
Post by: Gary Penrice on November 10, 2021, 03:12:37 PM
If he does come here, at least it is from another big historic team. He’ll understand what it means and the pressures.
Exactly, indeed, he comes from a bigger club than Little, Gregory, SGT and Deano and they all did fine.
They're not a big team, they were founded in 2012 and have won a third of Clyde's total honours.
Oh come off it, that's just being pedantic for the sake of it. NSWE Limited were only incorporated in 2016, we're still Aston Villa.
Not for the sake of it - for the sake of pissing off Sevco-ites. That seems worthwhile to me.
Not as much as it's going to piss off a lot of people on here! ;D ;D ;D
Post by: The Edge on November 10, 2021, 03:13:18 PM
Both clubs engaged the same architect to build them stadiums of world renown. We pulled ours down.What's all this "we"? I don't remember Doug asking our opinions when he destroyed one of the finest architectural monuments in football.
Post by: algy on November 10, 2021, 03:15:21 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 10, 2021, 03:20:20 PM
All the best, Monty - hope you manage to get something sorted.
Agreed, disgraceful way to treat a pensioner.
Post by: KevinGage on November 10, 2021, 03:29:08 PM
As I said earlier, don’t want this dragging out too much longer. Let’s just get some points on the board.
I'd sooner it drag out a week ot two than jump in quick and get either a Woy Hodgson-type or someone vastly inexperienced, who'd be coming here as a test case for The Other Job.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 10, 2021, 03:30:50 PM
1.Pissing off FC Zombie and their herds of acolytes.
2. He's not John Terry
Negatives:
1. Everything else
2. Monty's rental situation - all the best, mate!
Post by: wince on November 10, 2021, 03:39:05 PM
As I said earlier, don’t want this dragging out too much longer. Let’s just get some points on the board.
I'd sooner it drag out a week ot two than jump in quick and get either a Woy Hodgson-type or someone vastly inexperienced, who'd be coming here as a test case for The Other Job.
Woah there! I’m not Fred flintstone Looking to employ grandfather Roy or any of his ilk. Just think it would be better to not get to the end of the international break and have nanny McPhee long throwing out way through the match.
Post by: LeonW on November 10, 2021, 03:58:28 PM
Edens and Sawiris haven't got to where they are by chance, and Edens clearly knows a thing or two about running a successful sporting team. Purslow isn't going to jeopardise his career by appointing Gerrard just because he's his 'friend', however true that is anyway. There's a very clear and obvious way that they seem to be setting up the club, and if they appoint Gerrard it will be because they see him as fitting in to those plans.
Just out of interest Risso, what do you see as being this clear and obvious way that the club is being set up as?
Post by: Monty on November 10, 2021, 04:03:16 PM
All the best, Monty - hope you manage to get something sorted.
Agreed, disgraceful way to treat a pensioner.
Bastard!
In all reasonableness thanks for the wishes all. It's making me all revolutionary and pro-expropriation.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2021, 04:05:36 PM
Edens and Sawiris haven't got to where they are by chance, and Edens clearly knows a thing or two about running a successful sporting team. Purslow isn't going to jeopardise his career by appointing Gerrard just because he's his 'friend', however true that is anyway. There's a very clear and obvious way that they seem to be setting up the club, and if they appoint Gerrard it will be because they see him as fitting in to those plans.
Just out of interest Risso, what do you see as being this clear and obvious way that the club is being set up as?
That he isn't being appointed as manager is my guess, but someone who is head of a coaching tree with specialists around him. It appears that they want to carry that on from the model they had for Dean Smith. Which I don't know if Dean actually agreed with as in a way takes control away from him in a traditional sense. He would be involved in player acquisition for example but not the ultimate decider of who is bought. This provides continuity vs the older model which is built around a person and their style vs a club style.
Post by: john e on November 10, 2021, 04:17:54 PM
Both clubs engaged the same architect to build them stadiums of world renown. We pulled ours down.
☹️
Post by: Duncan Shaw on November 10, 2021, 04:21:50 PM
Edens and Sawiris haven't got to where they are by chance, and Edens clearly knows a thing or two about running a successful sporting team. Purslow isn't going to jeopardise his career by appointing Gerrard just because he's his 'friend', however true that is anyway. There's a very clear and obvious way that they seem to be setting up the club, and if they appoint Gerrard it will be because they see him as fitting in to those plans.
Just out of interest Risso, what do you see as being this clear and obvious way that the club is being set up as?
That he isn't being appointed as manager is my guess, but someone who is head of a coaching tree with specialists around him. It appears that they want to carry that on from the model they had for Dean Smith. Which I don't know if Dean actually agreed with as in a way takes control away from him in a traditional sense. He would be involved in player acquisition for example but not the ultimate decider of who is bought. This provides continuity vs the older model which is built around a person and their style vs a club style.
But surely that continuity is not there if he has to bring his whole entourage with him, as being reported?
Post by: chrisw1 on November 10, 2021, 04:29:42 PM
Will obviously need to be adjusted as we will have less dominance on the ball, but I'd be happy to see us playing this way.
&t=15s
For those that missed it earlier, (long) interview with beale which loks really promising:
And a fluff piece on Gerrard shared by Jwarry earlier - Liverpool centric but comes accross as a decent bloke
Post by: Ian. on November 10, 2021, 05:04:34 PM
Then again I was excited about Lambert, O’Leary and Sherwood.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 10, 2021, 05:13:09 PM
It’s seems that plenty on the outside of Villa boards see this is a very good bit of business. We here seem to be in the minority on this one. Still I can’t say I’m getting in anyway more excited by the prospect.
Then again I was excited about Lambert, O’Leary and Sherwood.
He is a big name thiugh regardless of only managing rangers. I must admit i am suprised he seems to be taking it as its a big challenge and he could easily win another title and atay in europe with rangers
I wonder if he had a word with his mate JT?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 10, 2021, 05:18:51 PM
It’s seems that plenty on the outside of Villa boards see this is a very good bit of business. We here seem to be in the minority on this one. Still I can’t say I’m getting in anyway more excited by the prospect.
Then again I was excited about Lambert, O’Leary and Sherwood.
I wonder if he had a word with his mate JT?
Oh please, don't make it worse.
I also doubt that they're mates. They were at the heart of the problem with Inglund squads not getting along for club reasons.
Post by: Monty on November 10, 2021, 05:27:12 PM
It’s seems that plenty on the outside of Villa boards see this is a very good bit of business. We here seem to be in the minority on this one. Still I can’t say I’m getting in anyway more excited by the prospect.
Then again I was excited about Lambert, O’Leary and Sherwood.
And I was excited about Garde, not to mention those near-misses Solskjaer and Henry.
Post by: PeterWithe on November 10, 2021, 05:30:10 PM
Post by: danno on November 10, 2021, 05:34:38 PM
I think its a mistake - but TBH my opinion is pretty shite at the best of time.Telegraph are reporting that he could be in place before next Monday and that he's interested in the job.
If he is interested as that paper says then it will be him. I have no doubt about it.
Not my first choice but he will get my 100%backing. Time to get over smith people its the past now we need to move on from the smith era
All I hope is if this does turn out to be a mistake (And I hope it doesnt), that this doesnt cause a long term derailment of whats been achieved over the past 3 years
If true, it will be another sad day in this club's once illustrious history. i thought we had learned our mistake appointing chancers.
Sorry, he wont get my support at all. It will end in tears.
No wonder that lot over the road laugh at us.
What else have they got?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 10, 2021, 05:38:54 PM
I also doubt that they're mates. They were at the heart of the problem with Inglund squads not getting along for club reasons.
I'd say it's more likely that JT is mates with Stevie G than Jamie Carragher.
Post by: TonyD on November 10, 2021, 05:42:02 PM
Dual Christmas in one.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2021, 05:45:27 PM
It’s seems that plenty on the outside of Villa boards see this is a very good bit of business. We here seem to be in the minority on this one. Still I can’t say I’m getting in anyway more excited by the prospect.
Then again I was excited about Lambert, O’Leary and Sherwood.
And I was excited about Garde, not to mention those near-misses Solskjaer and Henry.
I sometimes look at managerial appointments like US supporters view the NFL draft. There is so much hype over players who have only ever played at university about to be selected to a professional team. And the fans boo or celebrate the pick vociferously yet not one of them has the faintest clue how it will actually work out. So many bonafide first round picks are busts, so many lower round picks end up superstars. Sports for the most part is a fucking crap shoot. Garde came with a solid reputation and was a complete disaster. OGS and Henry, certainly the latter much the same. While I wouldn't have gone for Gerrard none of us know precisely how this will turn out. We all hope he wants us to play similar to the sides he played in, but we all know...it just doesn't work that way.
Just play to win every game Steven. It's all we ask.
Post by: Drummond on November 10, 2021, 06:05:43 PM
Beale seems a bright likeable sort of fella with an enquiring mind and a willingness to look for new ideas. I did get the impression though that his skill was in working at the younger age groups. And, to be really arsey, there are lots and lots and lots of videos of bright young coaches speaking about their methods.
There are videos of Danks out there that are similarly impressive.
Post by: john e on November 10, 2021, 06:26:49 PM
A lot of negatives and unknowns but I’m 100% sure he will be totally committed to the job
The unknowns are what makes it difficult to judge, with someone like Bruce there were no unknowns we knew exactly what we were getting
So yeah I’m feeling a little bit easier with it today than I was yesterday
And if I can get my head around it anyone can
Edit - Not sure I’ll ever get used to his high pitch Scousey voice though
Post by: Dave P on November 10, 2021, 06:35:14 PM
If he does come here, at least it is from another big historic team. He’ll understand what it means and the pressures.
Exactly, indeed, he comes from a bigger club than Little, Gregory, SGT and Deano and they all did fine.
They're not a big team, they were founded in 2012 and have won a third of Clyde's total honours.
In which case, winning a club the league title about 9 years after they were formed is even more impressive (wink)
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 10, 2021, 06:35:58 PM
I was more positive about Smith though compared the the other useless fuckers we had before him.
Post by: The Edge on November 10, 2021, 06:49:04 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 10, 2021, 06:49:23 PM
Radio WM reporting that no official approach has been made by the club regarding SG.he'll be in by 8pm then if that's the case.
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 10, 2021, 06:57:21 PM
I haven’t been excited about a manager since MON came in. The rest were meh.
I was more positive about Smith though compared the the other useless fuckers we had before him.
Exactly the same here. Although i was strangely optimistic with Smith, for no other reason than he was Villa and we’d just had for the most part 8 years of charlatans, f**kwits and journeymen (we’ll be there or thereabouts).
Gerrard is coming that seems certain, so we might as well support him and hope its the inspired choice than most of us cant see at the moment.
His first interview will be very interesting.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 10, 2021, 06:57:43 PM
Radio WM reporting that no official approach has been made by the club regarding SG.he'll be in by 8pm then if that's the case.
I would like him to be unveiled at 11am tomorrow. It would seem apt 'lest they forget' they've lost their manager.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 10, 2021, 06:58:50 PM
I back them all until they give me reason not toI haven’t been excited about a manager since MON came in. The rest were meh.
I was more positive about Smith though compared the the other useless fuckers we had before him.
Exactly the same here. Although i was strangely optimistic with Smith, for no other reason than he was Villa and we’d just had for the most part 8 years of charlatans, f**kwits and journeymen (we’ll be there or thereabouts).
Gerrard is coming that seems certain, so we might as well support him and hope its the inspired choice than most of us cant see at the moment.
His first interview will be very interesting.
Post by: London Villan on November 10, 2021, 07:00:08 PM
I haven’t been excited about a manager since MON came in. The rest were meh.
I was more positive about Smith though compared the the other useless fuckers we had before him.
Exactly the same here. Although i was strangely optimistic with Smith, for no other reason than he was Villa and we’d just had for the most part 8 years of charlatans, f**kwits and journeymen (we’ll be there or thereabouts).
Gerrard is coming that seems certain, so we might as well support him and hope its the inspired choice than most of us cant see at the moment.
His first interview will be very interesting.
I hope its better than the “inspirational” ones he gave as england captain.
Post by: gpbarr on November 10, 2021, 07:02:00 PM
I haven’t been excited about a manager since MON came in. The rest were meh.
I was more positive about Smith though compared the the other useless fuckers we had before him.
Exactly the same here. Although i was strangely optimistic with Smith, for no other reason than he was Villa and we’d just had for the most part 8 years of charlatans, f**kwits and journeymen (we’ll be there or thereabouts).
Gerrard is coming that seems certain, so we might as well support him and hope its the inspired choice than most of us cant see at the moment.
His first interview will be very interesting.
His first interview .....
1. Get a fucking translator in here will you
2. So about the Liverpool job you want Stevie....
3. Holy shit, what have we gone and done ........
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 10, 2021, 07:03:42 PM
I hope its better than the “inspirational” ones he gave as england captain.
The speech he gave at half-time in Istanbul must have been pretty good.
Post by: London Villan on November 10, 2021, 07:04:34 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 10, 2021, 07:07:22 PM
It sounds like he plays a lot like Smith does, and has a set up similar to that. I think he'll do his best and be like JT and professional.
I don't think he would achieve any more than Smith would - but I think this is a "commercial" appointment by our CEO rather than a footballing one.
Post by: Ian. on November 10, 2021, 07:10:36 PM
It’s seems that plenty on the outside of Villa boards see this is a very good bit of business. We here seem to be in the minority on this one. Still I can’t say I’m getting in anyway more excited by the prospect.
Then again I was excited about Lambert, O’Leary and Sherwood.
And I was excited about Garde, not to mention those near-misses Solskjaer and Henry.
Me too with Garde.
Post by: robleflaneur on November 10, 2021, 07:11:51 PM
Liverpool's recent success has been helped by getting in excellent support staff for Klopp.Critchley,ex Liverpool Academy,is doing well in charge at Blackpool.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 10, 2021, 07:13:08 PM
Steven Gerrard: Aston Villa step up pursuit of Rangers manager (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59232355)
WM say nothing is going on.
BBC sport say we're stepping it up.
:-\
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 10, 2021, 07:14:51 PM
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on November 10, 2021, 07:26:22 PM
I would just like to point out that in my 60 years of following this great club of ours the two managers giving me the biggest thrill ,in terms of watching entertaining football, were born in Birkenhead and Old Swan - Merseyside
Steven Gerrard was born in Whiston some 12 and 6 miles away from the above locations
Lets not let Regionalism cloud our judgement :) :) :)
He would not be my first choice but I will get right behind him (and maybe even cadge a lift off him to VP on match days ) :)
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 10, 2021, 07:27:13 PM
For those of you objecting to a Scouser becoming our Manager/Head Coach
I would just like to point out that in my 60 years of following this great club of ours the two managers giving me the biggest thrill ,in terms of watching entertaining football, were born in Birkenhead and Old Swan - Merseyside
Steven Gerrard was born in Whiston some 12 and 6 miles away from the above locations
Lets not let Regionalism cloud our judgement :) :) :)
He would not be my first choice but I will get right behind him (and maybe even cadge a lift off him to VP on match days ) :)
Nobody is objecting to a Scouser. Where he was born is irrelevant.
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2021, 07:27:49 PM
Post by: Monty on November 10, 2021, 07:28:06 PM
Edit: by which I mean cheap jokes about the accent etc.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 10, 2021, 07:31:23 PM
1/25 now on Gerrard.
To be out of a job by Christmas?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on November 10, 2021, 07:32:04 PM
For those of you objecting to a Scouser becoming our Manager/Head Coach
I would just like to point out that in my 60 years of following this great club of ours the two managers giving me the biggest thrill ,in terms of watching entertaining football, were born in Birkenhead and Old Swan - Merseyside
Steven Gerrard was born in Whiston some 12 and 6 miles away from the above locations
Lets not let Regionalism cloud our judgement :) :) :)
He would not be my first choice but I will get right behind him (and maybe even cadge a lift off him to VP on match days ) :)
Nobody is objecting to a Scouser. Where he was born is irrelevant.
Calm down, Calm Down ...............:) I come in peace Dave
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2021, 07:32:17 PM
It’s seems that plenty on the outside of Villa boards see this is a very good bit of business. We here seem to be in the minority on this one. Still I can’t say I’m getting in anyway more excited by the prospect.
Then again I was excited about Lambert, O’Leary and Sherwood.
And I was excited about Garde, not to mention those near-misses Solskjaer and Henry.
Me too with Garde.
A natural response Ian. So was I with players like Lansbury and Hogan, it’s the hope and excitement of a new manager or player.
Not Drinky though, I knew that would be a disaster.
Post by: thick_mike on November 10, 2021, 07:38:04 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/X75VMLw/CA69-FB72-216-A-4950-8654-1-FF942467-C08.jpg)
Post by: Clive W on November 10, 2021, 08:01:56 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 10, 2021, 08:08:43 PM
Steven Gerrard is on the verge of taking over at Aston Villa after Rangers cleared him for talks with the Premier League club.
The former Liverpool and England captain is set to leave Rangers and join Villa with official confirmation of his appointment expected in the next 48 hours.
Gerrard quickly emerged as Villa's No. 1 target after the dismissal of Dean Smith on Sunday and, after a period of due diligence, the Midlands club made their move today.
The 41 year old is poised to quit Rangers after three-and-a-half years in charge, winning the Scottish Premiership title last season, and he will take the majority of his backroom staff south of the border.
Gerrard's highly-regarded assistants Gary McAllister, who has previously worked at Villa under Gerard Houllier, and Michael Beale will both be joining, while other members of staff including set-piece specialist Tom Culshaw and Head of Performance Jordan Milsom could also be included in the compensation deal.
It is understood Villa have paid around £3 million to 'sign' Gerrard and his team, with the appointment driven by chief executive Christian Purslow and fully approved by owners Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens, plus sporting director Johan Lange.
Villa are currently 16th in the Premier League after five successive defeats, which spelled the end of Smith's tenure on Sunday.
Gerrard's first game will be Brighton at home on Saturday week.
He is also set for an emotional return to Liverpool, the club where he made over 500 appearances, on Saturday December 11
(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/football/2021/11/10/TELEMMGLPICT000277314092_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqTh3H5BemKyhXFKdcxJGxV4h-1OKnoApjyaprnWnv9tw.jpeg?imwidth=960)
Post by: lovejoy on November 10, 2021, 08:12:52 PM
Yeah must say, find the anti-Scouse stuff tedious at best.
Edit: by which I mean cheap jokes about the accent etc.
Calm down, calm down.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 10, 2021, 08:13:35 PM
Post by: Ads on November 10, 2021, 08:32:33 PM
I dont mind the Scouse accent. Was drinking on Castle Street in the Townhouse a few months back and showing off my Scouse accent to the gaffer and others who paid for the meal and drinks. Its a proper North Face, L5 on your BMX selling selling best gear in Annie' la, sort of accent so I'm told. When I went back to talking pwopa the waitress commented on how good my impression of a Brummie was.
So there you go. Pointless Liverpool stuff for the day.
Post by: The_ads on November 10, 2021, 08:36:12 PM
The more I think about it, the more I think it is just a way of getting a new, marketable, face for the project now Joes fucked off
It sounds like he plays a lot like Smith does, and has a set up similar to that. I think he'll do his best and be like JT and professional.
I don't think he would achieve any more than Smith would - but I think this is a "commercial" appointment by our CEO rather than a footballing one.
So,based on performance in the premier league, which is only fair, if Gerrard finishes 16th, 10th and makes a cup final he’s achieved more than Smith? I’ll take that bet if you offer it me
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 10, 2021, 08:43:43 PM
Honestly though that yellow sign in top right was Do Not Slip.......
Post by: The Edge on November 10, 2021, 08:45:23 PM
That pic is Euston isn't it?Looks like Euston. Definitely not New St.
Honestly though that yellow sign in top right was Do Not Slip.......
Post by: Proposition Joe on November 10, 2021, 08:47:17 PM
That pic is Euston isn't it?
Honestly though that yellow sign in top right was Do Not Slip.......
Ah, the joys of the Glasgow Central to Euston train, with all the copious consumption of Tenants lager.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 10, 2021, 08:49:00 PM
That pic is Euston isn't it?Looks like Euston. Definitely not New St.
Honestly though that yellow sign in top right was Do Not Slip.......
Wes lives in London dosen't he when he's over here? And imagine Purslow probably has a place down there after his spell at Chelsea so probably makes sense to trash out the small print down there away from Brum.
Post by: TonyD on November 10, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
If.. he joins.
Post by: AV82EC on November 10, 2021, 08:50:50 PM
That pic is Euston isn't it?Looks like Euston. Definitely not New St.
Honestly though that yellow sign in top right was Do Not Slip.......
Wes lives in London dosen't he when he's over here? And imagine Purslow probably has a place down there after his spell at Chelsea so probably makes sense to trash out the small print down there away from Brum.
Naseef is based and lives in London and the offices of one of his Orascom companies are there as well.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 10, 2021, 08:51:32 PM
That pic is Euston isn't it?Looks like Euston. Definitely not New St.
Honestly though that yellow sign in top right was Do Not Slip.......
Looks like Tony Pulis standing on the platform by the train door.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 10, 2021, 08:56:46 PM
Give it a rest. He is starting from a considerably stronger place than Smith was when we were first promoted.The more I think about it, the more I think it is just a way of getting a new, marketable, face for the project now Joes fucked off
It sounds like he plays a lot like Smith does, and has a set up similar to that. I think he'll do his best and be like JT and professional.
I don't think he would achieve any more than Smith would - but I think this is a "commercial" appointment by our CEO rather than a footballing one.
So,based on performance in the premier league, which is only fair, if Gerrard finishes 16th, 10th and makes a cup final he’s achieved more than Smith? I’ll take that bet if you offer it me
Post by: The Edge on November 10, 2021, 08:57:29 PM
Maybe we're looking at a Gerrard Pulis combo?That pic is Euston isn't it?Looks like Euston. Definitely not New St.
Honestly though that yellow sign in top right was Do Not Slip.......
Looks like Tony Pulis standing on the platform by the train door.
*shudder*
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 10, 2021, 08:59:11 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 10, 2021, 09:06:39 PM
Give it a rest. He is starting from a considerably stronger place than Smith was when we were first promoted.The more I think about it, the more I think it is just a way of getting a new, marketable, face for the project now Joes fucked off
It sounds like he plays a lot like Smith does, and has a set up similar to that. I think he'll do his best and be like JT and professional.
I don't think he would achieve any more than Smith would - but I think this is a "commercial" appointment by our CEO rather than a footballing one.
So,based on performance in the premier league, which is only fair, if Gerrard finishes 16th, 10th and makes a cup final he’s achieved more than Smith? I’ll take that bet if you offer it me
He is and will be when players are fit again. It'll be interesting to see what the board's expectations are...
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2021, 09:36:58 PM
Great news. Steve Bruce is in Dubai watching the cricket.
As he would've been if he was still manager of Newcastle.
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on November 10, 2021, 09:37:05 PM
Should he do well, he'll be off to Liverpool in 2-3 years, should he do badly, he'll be off in 1-2 years. There is no scenario where he stays.
Post by: Steve67 on November 10, 2021, 09:38:00 PM
Great news. Steve Bruce is in Dubai watching the cricket.
Yeah, HE turns up and we bloody lose!
Post by: Clive W on November 10, 2021, 09:40:57 PM
If we are to appoint SG, and it looks like this scenario is gathering considerable momentum, then I sincerely hope that we are already tracking his replacement.Presumably then Klopp will be fired no matter how successful he continues to be in order to make way for Gerrard?
Should he do well, he'll be off to Liverpool in 2-3 years, should he do badly, he'll be off in 1-2 years. There is no scenario where he stays.
Post by: The_ads on November 10, 2021, 09:43:18 PM
Give it a rest. He is starting from a considerably stronger place than Smith was when we were first promoted.The more I think about it, the more I think it is just a way of getting a new, marketable, face for the project now Joes fucked off
It sounds like he plays a lot like Smith does, and has a set up similar to that. I think he'll do his best and be like JT and professional.
I don't think he would achieve any more than Smith would - but I think this is a "commercial" appointment by our CEO rather than a footballing one.
So,based on performance in the premier league, which is only fair, if Gerrard finishes 16th, 10th and makes a cup final he’s achieved more than Smith? I’ll take that bet if you offer it me
Sort of. Dean had one of the best players in Europe for 2.5 seasons
Post by: The_ads on November 10, 2021, 09:44:03 PM
If we are to appoint SG, and it looks like this scenario is gathering considerable momentum, then I sincerely hope that we are already tracking his replacement.
Should he do well, he'll be off to Liverpool in 2-3 years, should he do badly, he'll be off in 1-2 years. There is no scenario where he stays.
My head hurts
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on November 10, 2021, 09:46:05 PM
Klopp won't be there forever. And none of us are getting any younger.If we are to appoint SG, and it looks like this scenario is gathering considerable momentum, then I sincerely hope that we are already tracking his replacement.Presumably then Klopp will be fired no matter how successful he continues to be in order to make way for Gerrard?
Should he do well, he'll be off to Liverpool in 2-3 years, should he do badly, he'll be off in 1-2 years. There is no scenario where he stays.
Post by: The_ads on November 10, 2021, 09:48:17 PM
Klopp won't be there forever. And none of us are getting any younger.If we are to appoint SG, and it looks like this scenario is gathering considerable momentum, then I sincerely hope that we are already tracking his replacement.Presumably then Klopp will be fired no matter how successful he continues to be in order to make way for Gerrard?
Should he do well, he'll be off to Liverpool in 2-3 years, should he do badly, he'll be off in 1-2 years. There is no scenario where he stays.
I can’t decide whether you are on the wind up? So what you are saying is, before he’s even started, we should look for a manager to replace Gerrard based on the fact Klopp might leave in 3 years ?
Post by: Havencheese on November 10, 2021, 09:50:48 PM
If we are to appoint SG, and it looks like this scenario is gathering considerable momentum, then I sincerely hope that we are already tracking his replacement.Not too bothered. Clearly Villa is in a much better position in that case to attract a name in after that. There’s also the possibility Klopp gets fed up with their owners lack of spending compared to other CL teams, before Gerrard has proven himself at Villa.
Should he do well, he'll be off to Liverpool in 2-3 years, should he do badly, he'll be off in 1-2 years. There is no scenario where he stays.
There’s too many scenarios to play out.
My main concern is in the present, that if Gerrard is appointed, he brings his back room staff with him. That is the key.
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on November 10, 2021, 09:58:59 PM
Best case, he's here for 2 years. That is no time, so we should, at least, have an idea of his successor. What type of man, with what set of skills.Klopp won't be there forever. And none of us are getting any younger.If we are to appoint SG, and it looks like this scenario is gathering considerable momentum, then I sincerely hope that we are already tracking his replacement.Presumably then Klopp will be fired no matter how successful he continues to be in order to make way for Gerrard?
Should he do well, he'll be off to Liverpool in 2-3 years, should he do badly, he'll be off in 1-2 years. There is no scenario where he stays.
I can’t decide whether you are on the wind up? So what you are saying is, before he’s even started, we should look for a manager to replace Gerrard based on the fact Klopp might leave in 3 years ?
Post by: john e on November 10, 2021, 10:11:39 PM
If we’re sitting in the top six I don’t give a shit if he moves on
I’ve not been in favour of the pending appointment but not because he might piss off because he’s been to successful
Post by: Clive W on November 10, 2021, 10:12:12 PM
Best case, he's here for 2 years. That is no time, so we should, at least, have an idea of his successor. What type of man, with what set of skills.Klopp won't be there forever. And none of us are getting any younger.If we are to appoint SG, and it looks like this scenario is gathering considerable momentum, then I sincerely hope that we are already tracking his replacement.Presumably then Klopp will be fired no matter how successful he continues to be in order to make way for Gerrard?
Should he do well, he'll be off to Liverpool in 2-3 years, should he do badly, he'll be off in 1-2 years. There is no scenario where he stays.
I can’t decide whether you are on the wind up? So what you are saying is, before he’s even started, we should look for a manager to replace Gerrard based on the fact Klopp might leave in 3 years ?
In a locked filing cabinet, every single club will have a list of potential managers/head coaches. The list will be taken out, dusted off and updated every time there is a managerial change that my be relevant to that club.
Despite Pep’s success, there will be a list somewhere in the Man City estate, ready to be be activated in the event that he decides to spend more time on the golf course or with his family.
Every self respecting company does it - its called “succession planning”
Post by: john e on November 10, 2021, 10:14:21 PM
Best case, he's here for 2 years. That is no time, so we should, at least, have an idea of his successor. What type of man, with what set of skills.Klopp won't be there forever. And none of us are getting any younger.If we are to appoint SG, and it looks like this scenario is gathering considerable momentum, then I sincerely hope that we are already tracking his replacement.Presumably then Klopp will be fired no matter how successful he continues to be in order to make way for Gerrard?
Should he do well, he'll be off to Liverpool in 2-3 years, should he do badly, he'll be off in 1-2 years. There is no scenario where he stays.
I can’t decide whether you are on the wind up? So what you are saying is, before he’s even started, we should look for a manager to replace Gerrard based on the fact Klopp might leave in 3 years ?
In a locked filing cabinet, every single club will have a list of potential managers/head coaches. The list will be taken out, dusted off and updated every time there is a managerial change that my be relevant to that club.
Despite Pep’s success, there will be a list somewhere in the Man City estate, ready to be be activated in the event that he decides to spend more time on the golf course or with his family.
Every self respecting company does it - its called “succession planning”
Yeah and succession planning doesn’t exist
Have you even seen the giddiness clubs get into trying to appoint a new manager they haven’t got a fucking clue mate
Post by: ROBBO on November 10, 2021, 10:18:40 PM
Post by: Clive W on November 10, 2021, 10:27:01 PM
Best case, he's here for 2 years. That is no time, so we should, at least, have an idea of his successor. What type of man, with what set of skills.Klopp won't be there forever. And none of us are getting any younger.If we are to appoint SG, and it looks like this scenario is gathering considerable momentum, then I sincerely hope that we are already tracking his replacement.Presumably then Klopp will be fired no matter how successful he continues to be in order to make way for Gerrard?
Should he do well, he'll be off to Liverpool in 2-3 years, should he do badly, he'll be off in 1-2 years. There is no scenario where he stays.
I can’t decide whether you are on the wind up? So what you are saying is, before he’s even started, we should look for a manager to replace Gerrard based on the fact Klopp might leave in 3 years ?
In a locked filing cabinet, every single club will have a list of potential managers/head coaches. The list will be taken out, dusted off and updated every time there is a managerial change that my be relevant to that club.
Despite Pep’s success, there will be a list somewhere in the Man City estate, ready to be be activated in the event that he decides to spend more time on the golf course or with his family.
Every self respecting company does it - its called “succession planning”
Yeah and succession planning doesn’t exist
Have you even seen the giddiness clubs get into trying to appoint a new manager they haven’t got a fucking clue mate
Not saying that they will get the first name on the top of their list
Just that sacking a manager and then saying “oh!! now what do we do?” is not a likely scenario
Post by: Ad@m on November 10, 2021, 10:31:40 PM
I haven't quite given up on making it as a professional player so what the hell's going on?!
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 10, 2021, 10:38:05 PM
Why do people keep going on about him leaving for Liverpool for fuck’s sake who cares
Indeed, we should be more worried about relegation.
Post by: Rudy65 on November 10, 2021, 11:21:11 PM
Why do people keep going on about him leaving for Liverpool for fuck’s sake who cares
Indeed, we should be more worried about relegation.
Chin up mate. There’s only 27 games to go. It’s gonna be tight
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 10, 2021, 11:22:39 PM
Why do people keep going on about him leaving for Liverpool for fuck’s sake who cares
Indeed, we should be more worried about relegation.
Chin up mate. There’s only 27 games to go. It’s gonna be tight
Ha! No worries, I loved the Championship. More games.
Post by: Rudy65 on November 10, 2021, 11:30:40 PM
If we are to appoint SG, and it looks like this scenario is gathering considerable momentum, then I sincerely hope that we are already tracking his replacement.
Should he do well, he'll be off to Liverpool in 2-3 years, should he do badly, he'll be off in 1-2 years. There is no scenario where he stays.
So what. Who cares. If he goes to Liverpool it’s because he had done well at VP. A manager’s shelf live is 2 to 3 years so no point in worrying beyond that. We have a good squad bar a decent DM. We should be looking up, not down
Post by: Astral Weeks on November 11, 2021, 08:14:02 AM
I can't quite handle the manager of Aston Villa being barely older than me!
I haven't quite given up on making it as a professional player so what the hell's going on?!
How do you think it feels when the manager is young enough to be your son?
Post by: The Edge on November 11, 2021, 08:32:32 AM
If we are to appoint SG, and it looks like this scenario is gathering considerable momentum, then I sincerely hope that we are already tracking his replacement.First off I'm not happy that the club have ditched Smith in favour of a rookie manager. Its an unnecessary gamble. But saying we should start looking for his replacement is such a negative approach. I didn't want Gerrard I'd have given Smith more time but it's not my call. Once we appoint a new manager at Aston Villa he gets my full backing from day one. We support our club through thick and thin no matter what. Managers come and go.
Should he do well, he'll be off to Liverpool in 2-3 years, should he do badly, he'll be off in 1-2 years. There is no scenario where he stays.
Post by: sid1964 on November 11, 2021, 08:41:36 AM
Post by: dicedlam on November 11, 2021, 08:47:53 AM
Why do people keep going on about him leaving for Liverpool for fuck’s sake who cares
If we’re sitting in the top six I don’t give a shit if he moves on
I’ve not been in favour of the pending appointment but not because he might piss off because he’s been to successful
This all day for me.
At this moment in time, we are not the greatest attraction to the top managers in the world, but if Gerrard gets Villa in the top 6 and then he fucks off, it will become a whole different scenario when casting the net for a new manager.
I'd take that.
Post by: ozzjim on November 11, 2021, 08:48:29 AM
If we are to appoint SG, and it looks like this scenario is gathering considerable momentum, then I sincerely hope that we are already tracking his replacement.
Should he do well, he'll be off to Liverpool in 2-3 years, should he do badly, he'll be off in 1-2 years. There is no scenario where he stays.
So what. Who cares. If he goes to Liverpool it’s because he had done well at VP. A manager’s shelf live is 2 to 3 years so no point in worrying beyond that. We have a good squad bar a decent DM. We should be looking up, not down
Smith lasted 3 years and was the longest since MON. Clubs should always have their next target in mind, like we clearly did here. I don't doubt that we would again, and the board is not stupid enough to think Gerrard won't go to Liverpool if he's any good here. At the same time, Klopp is one of the best in the world, and I expect to be at Liverpool for a good 4-5 years yet. He is settled, happy and performing. If Gerrard is here in 4 years, we are a top 6 team looking for a very good manager to keep us going. Not sure where the downside is in that. We will have used Gerrard as much as he will us.
Post by: Goldenballs on November 11, 2021, 08:58:11 AM
Post by: dave shelley on November 11, 2021, 09:08:23 AM
I can't quite handle the manager of Aston Villa being barely older than me!
I haven't quite given up on making it as a professional player so what the hell's going on?!
Wait 'til you're as old as me when most of the players are young enough to be my great-grandchildren!
Post by: john e on November 11, 2021, 09:12:17 AM
My daughter’s waters broke yesterday and she is currently in hospital waiting for things to happen
So it could be a big day of announcements for me
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2021, 09:14:00 AM
Talking about grandads
My daughter’s waters broke yesterday and she is currently in hospital waiting for things to happen
So it could be a big day of announcements for me
Best of luck to her mate! First grandchild?
Post by: john e on November 11, 2021, 09:15:48 AM
Talking about grandads
My daughter’s waters broke yesterday and she is currently in hospital waiting for things to happen
So it could be a big day of announcements for me
Best of luck to her mate! First grandchild?
No Second
my son has a seven year old daughter
Funny thing is my own youngest is only 13 and is called Albert
So he is literally and factually uncle Albert And has been since the age of 6
Post by: Rory on November 11, 2021, 09:32:26 AM
Again, not saying I think that'll happen, but that is the third possibility in the 'win/win' of him using us as a stepping stone for the Liverpool job.
Post by: Beard82 on November 11, 2021, 09:35:44 AM
Not saying I think this is going to happen, but I don't think too many people are worried that he comes in, does great, then leaves for Liverpool. More that he comes in, his focus is elsewhere and we are shit.I think this is low risk for him - if he gets us some midtable finishes, the narrative will be he's done ok, cos its only Villa. Hes served his dues now give him the Liverpool job.
Again, not saying I think that'll happen, but that is the third possibility in the 'win/win' of him using us as a stepping stone for the Liverpool job.
Very few people don't linked with the club, seriously think well be challenging for Europe anytime soon
Post by: LukeJames on November 11, 2021, 09:38:08 AM
I didn't want you here, but you're here now, so.. you know, well done... Welcome!
You really need to work on those wedding vows.
Post by: DB on November 11, 2021, 09:44:58 AM
If we are to appoint SG, and it looks like this scenario is gathering considerable momentum, then I sincerely hope that we are already tracking his replacement.
Should he do well, he'll be off to Liverpool in 2-3 years, should he do badly, he'll be off in 1-2 years. There is no scenario where he stays.
So what. Who cares. If he goes to Liverpool it’s because he had done well at VP. A manager’s shelf live is 2 to 3 years so no point in worrying beyond that. We have a good squad bar a decent DM. We should be looking up, not down
Lampard got his dream managerial move to Chelsea after failing to get Derby out of the Championship. Not exactly measurable success.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 11, 2021, 09:47:44 AM
Not saying I think this is going to happen, but I don't think too many people are worried that he comes in, does great, then leaves for Liverpool. More that he comes in, his focus is elsewhere and we are shit.
Again, not saying I think that'll happen, but that is the third possibility in the 'win/win' of him using us as a stepping stone for the Liverpool job.
Where on earth would his focus be if not on Villa? The club he would be managing.
Post by: Rory on November 11, 2021, 09:52:51 AM
Not saying I think this is going to happen, but I don't think too many people are worried that he comes in, does great, then leaves for Liverpool. More that he comes in, his focus is elsewhere and we are shit.
Again, not saying I think that'll happen, but that is the third possibility in the 'win/win' of him using us as a stepping stone for the Liverpool job.
Where on earth would his focus be if not on Villa? The club he would be managing.
Sorry mate, but have you missed the last five days?
I'm talking specifically about the scenario in which he sees us as nothing more than a stepping stone. Many people have been arguing that could work in our favour, I'm just positing one way in which it might not.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 11, 2021, 10:18:03 AM
Not saying I think this is going to happen, but I don't think too many people are worried that he comes in, does great, then leaves for Liverpool. More that he comes in, his focus is elsewhere and we are shit.
Again, not saying I think that'll happen, but that is the third possibility in the 'win/win' of him using us as a stepping stone for the Liverpool job.
Where on earth would his focus be if not on Villa? The club he would be managing.
Sorry mate, but have you missed the last five days?
I'm talking specifically about the scenario in which he sees us as nothing more than a stepping stone. Many people have been arguing that could work in our favour, I'm just positing one way in which it might not.
He would take the Villa job but, while performing that role, he would in fact not pay it any attention because his focus would be on a potential Liverpool job sometime later? This is just outlandish.
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 11, 2021, 10:19:39 AM