Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2021, 11:00:28 AM
Currently we know the Emis are missing Chelsea, and according to Argentina Everton too. This could have a huge impact this season. Why are Villa being compliant while no one else is?
Post by: KNVillan on September 02, 2021, 11:03:14 AM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12397060/premier-league-clubs-could-face-possible-fifa-sanctions-after-blocking-players-from-call-ups-to-red-list-countires
We all know that will never happen, don’t we?
(Posted the same in the EMI Martinez thread too)
Post by: placeforparks on September 02, 2021, 11:09:18 AM
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However, FIFA's regulations state that players must be released by their clubs to play for their countries. If they are not, they will be prevented from playing for their clubs during the international window, plus an additional period of five days, unless an exemption is agreed with the relevant national association.
ok, so if you don't release them you lose them for 5 days after the international week.
if you release them, you miss them 10 days (+ travel times) due to quarantine.
not much of a penalty is it!
Post by: Risso on September 02, 2021, 11:10:27 AM
Post by: algy on September 02, 2021, 11:21:12 AM
Hunting for silver linings, it's also good for Jed Steer that he can see that he'll get a decent number of games, even as 2nd choice keeper. Presumably Dean Smith etc have a reasonable amount of faith in him, since we've not brought anyone else in despite knowing Emi^1 will be unavailable (less worried about Emi^2 since his isn't such a specialised position)
Post by: Risso on September 02, 2021, 11:25:59 AM
Post by: Nev on September 02, 2021, 11:26:27 AM
Now we are significantly weakened and could be again. Fine if it's a level playing field but this is far from that. The authorities should make the rule and stick to it and that's what we should adhere to.
Post by: Drummond on September 02, 2021, 11:29:34 AM
I want us to do the right thing. I want us not to be club that everyone else thinks are arrogant wankers. I want us to support our players to achieve their aspirations.
I want us to be hard and assertive but fair and appropriate. We're a huge club and we've mostly had a reputation for doing the right thing over the decades. Let's be better. Let's win the right way.
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2021, 11:38:05 AM
I see the argument and I'm paying devil's advocate, but the reality of this is that Fifa and the UK government need to find a solution, and if 20 clubs agree to hold a line, we are not the pushovers that cave in.
Post by: Drummond on September 02, 2021, 11:41:54 AM
Post by: Risso on September 02, 2021, 11:45:02 AM
Post by: Nev on September 02, 2021, 12:03:40 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 02, 2021, 12:23:51 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on September 02, 2021, 01:16:53 PM
Post by: CT on September 02, 2021, 01:17:54 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 02, 2021, 01:18:14 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on September 02, 2021, 01:24:33 PM
He's a good keeper and has been professional but I think we all know he isn't high level Premiership standard
Post by: Demitri_C on September 02, 2021, 01:32:42 PM
Compromise is key. Of there is none then thats when you start having club v country row. It was good of villa to let them go although i didnt like it, but Argentina have to show the paying club respect on a agreement made.
Post by: Drummond on September 02, 2021, 02:48:52 PM
Only because Heatons injury. Otherwise he would have been forgotten about.
He's a good keeper and has been professional but I think we all know he isn't high level Premiership standard
By people with the memory of a goldfish perhaps.
Post by: CT on September 02, 2021, 03:30:56 PM
Only because Heatons injury. Otherwise he would have been forgotten about.
He's a good keeper and has been professional but I think we all know he isn't high level Premiership standard
By people with the memory of a goldfish perhaps.
A little harsh on the goldfish there Drummond.
Post by: Villafirst on September 02, 2021, 03:38:34 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on September 02, 2021, 04:47:44 PM
Villa have to enforce the original agreement of 2 games only. They were allowed to travel on that basis. Both players were aware of the agreement even though Villa, initially said they couldn't go.
A Villa First policy should be implemented
Post by: brontebilly on September 02, 2021, 05:08:02 PM
Villa have to enforce the original agreement of 2 games only. They were allowed to travel on that basis. Both players were aware of the agreement even though Villa, initially said they couldn't go.
A Villa First policy should be implemented
Definitely...otherwise sign players that don't play international football...that will work a treat
Post by: Villafirst on September 02, 2021, 07:17:53 PM
Villa have to enforce the original agreement of 2 games only. They were allowed to travel on that basis. Both players were aware of the agreement even though Villa, initially said they couldn't go.
A Villa First policy should be implemented
Definitely...otherwise sign players that don't play international football...that will work a treat
You miss the point....2 games were agreed. Ok, let them bloody well miss the Everton game!!
Post by: ozzjim on September 03, 2021, 06:57:17 AM
Post by: Flin5tone on September 03, 2021, 08:59:43 AM
Emi Buendia didn't even make the bench for Argentina. Royally taking the piss.
Infuriating
Basically paying players to have a Holiday when we have very important tough fixtures coming up.
We need to stop being a soft touch and look after our own interests. We're up against it with Injuries and Covid 19 without the added stress of this nonsense
Post by: lovejoy on September 03, 2021, 09:17:04 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on September 03, 2021, 09:55:24 AM
Post by: Monty on September 03, 2021, 10:05:31 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 03, 2021, 10:23:49 AM
Post by: Risso on September 03, 2021, 10:34:52 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 03, 2021, 10:47:44 AM
They'll probably not play him again in the next match, then will select him against Bolivia (who are terrible), just to make a point and piss us off.
Yep
Post by: paul_e on September 03, 2021, 10:49:21 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 03, 2021, 03:26:43 PM
Post by: Smithy on September 03, 2021, 05:30:18 PM
Post by: ozzjim on September 04, 2021, 10:54:16 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on September 05, 2021, 02:33:06 AM
Apparently they might have to go into 2 weeks quarantine in Brazil. Why the fuck we rolled over for our tummy tickles on this one I really don't get.
There is now little doubt we will take a hit in the short term. It will cost us points.
Post by: Ian. on September 05, 2021, 07:57:34 AM
Apparently they might have to go into 2 weeks quarantine in Brazil. Why the fuck we rolled over for our tummy tickles on this one I really don't get.
I thought Dougie stayed behind?
Post by: ozzjim on September 05, 2021, 08:07:38 AM
Apparently they might have to go into 2 weeks quarantine in Brazil. Why the fuck we rolled over for our tummy tickles on this one I really don't get.
I thought Dougie stayed behind?
He did. This is the Emis, they are playing in Brazil.
Post by: Ian. on September 05, 2021, 08:20:09 AM
Apparently they might have to go into 2 weeks quarantine in Brazil. Why the fuck we rolled over for our tummy tickles on this one I really don't get.
I thought Dougie stayed behind?
He did. This is the Emis, they are playing in Brazil.
I see, what a bloody nightmare.
Post by: OCD on September 05, 2021, 02:43:25 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on September 05, 2021, 05:25:06 PM
All this for a World Cup that shouldn't be happening.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 05, 2021, 07:26:47 PM
Post by: Monty on September 05, 2021, 07:28:11 PM
Buendia not even on bench again.
Thanks so much there to the arsehole Argentina manager with the name of a dyslexic onion.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 05, 2021, 07:30:47 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 05, 2021, 07:55:35 PM
Argentina thrown it right back in our faces.
Zero chance we release either for next round of matches imo.
Post by: Risso on September 05, 2021, 07:58:45 PM
We tried to be friendly and do the right thing given both players are still fairly new to international set up and very important to us (so makes sense not to p*** them off).
Argentina thrown it right back in our faces.
Zero chance we release either for next round of matches imo.
Other than threatening them with being dropped, there's not a lot we can do to stop them to be honest. We didn't want them to go this time, but they just went anyway.
Post by: aev on September 05, 2021, 08:13:46 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 05, 2021, 08:14:15 PM
We tried to be friendly and do the right thing given both players are still fairly new to international set up and very important to us (so makes sense not to p*** them off).
Argentina thrown it right back in our faces.
Zero chance we release either for next round of matches imo.
Other than threatening them with being dropped, there's not a lot we can do to stop them to be honest. We didn't want them to go this time, but they just went anyway.
No other prem team other than us and Spurs have Argentine players? Mind you probably the case as I still thought Otamendi was a Man. City player looking at their team tonight and he left Man. City a year ago.
Just annoying likes of Man. United can click their fingers and Cavani gets pulled out of Uruguay squad. Same for Chelsea with Thiago Silva.
Brazil will probably want to call Douglas Luiz for next rounds aswell as probably agreed he could be rested for this given he's been involved all summer.
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 05, 2021, 08:16:08 PM
What a waste of time.
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 05, 2021, 08:16:53 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 05, 2021, 08:18:17 PM
Why on earth weren't they just sent back at the airport?
Post by: Risso on September 05, 2021, 08:20:46 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 05, 2021, 08:21:56 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 05, 2021, 08:25:24 PM
Are our players going to end up in prison, now?
They'll be in the Rio jail with the ghost of Ronnie Biggs for sure.
Post by: Risso on September 05, 2021, 08:25:52 PM
Post by: London Villan on September 05, 2021, 08:27:47 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 05, 2021, 08:28:06 PM
Post by: BC54 VFC on September 05, 2021, 08:28:50 PM
Post by: Risso on September 05, 2021, 08:30:03 PM
Post by: BC54 VFC on September 05, 2021, 08:32:38 PM
How can the Argentinian FA not know the rules? Absolute insanity.Absolutely this (and the Villa), although the FCO Brazil website erroneously still refers to 14 days quarantine, which is no longer required. Their issue is the lack of close relatives in the country.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 05, 2021, 08:33:05 PM
Those "it's only two games, that's a fair compromise" posts have aged well.
Yes, all of us who said that should have known that Villa were lying when they said it was two games and should have studied the Brazilian Covid regulations in detail having assumed that Argentina wouldn't bother to do so.
Post by: CT on September 05, 2021, 08:33:16 PM
Are our players going to end up in prison, now?
They'll be in the Rio jail with the ghost of Ronnie Biggs for sure.
On the next episode of “Worlds Toughest Prisons” - Rio.
Post by: Risso on September 05, 2021, 08:33:33 PM
Are our players going to end up in prison, now?
Even in handcuffs Martinez would still get into the Arsenal team.
Post by: olaftab on September 05, 2021, 08:36:04 PM
Those "it's only two games, that's a fair compromise" posts have aged well.That's a cheap shot. And to think I rate your posts highly :o
Post by: Flin5tone on September 05, 2021, 08:37:23 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 05, 2021, 08:38:25 PM
Post by: BC54 VFC on September 05, 2021, 08:39:38 PM
Post by: frank black on September 05, 2021, 08:40:34 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 05, 2021, 08:43:59 PM
Post by: Ian. on September 05, 2021, 08:46:32 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on September 05, 2021, 08:49:32 PM
It seems like it could be Brazilian health officials who were not happy with the four Argentina players who had been in the UK prior to arrival here being allowed to be involved tonight, instead of isolating.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 05, 2021, 08:51:49 PM
Surely this is on the Argentina FA and FIFA?
And the Brazilian authorities who only seemed to realise that Premier League players are likely to have spent some time in the UK three days after they arrived in Brazil.
Post by: Risso on September 05, 2021, 08:52:54 PM
Those "it's only two games, that's a fair compromise" posts have aged well.That's a cheap shot. And to think I rate your posts highly :o
I meant the posts from the club and others on Twitter to be honest.
Post by: Risso on September 05, 2021, 08:55:35 PM
Post by: Malandro on September 05, 2021, 08:55:57 PM
Post by: django on September 05, 2021, 08:57:47 PM
Post by: BC Villain on September 05, 2021, 08:59:42 PM
Bunch of ****** all officials, both football and health, from both sides. Vill need to get together with Spurs and fly all 4 out tonight on a private jet.
Could so easily have been stopped by their clubs putting their foot down and ordering them not to go.
Weak management
Post by: rougegorge on September 05, 2021, 08:59:59 PM
Post by: Ian. on September 05, 2021, 09:02:26 PM
Bunch of ****** all officials, both football and health, from both sides. Vill need to get together with Spurs and fly all 4 out tonight on a private jet.
Could so easily have been stopped by their clubs putting their foot down and ordering them not to go.
Weak management
It’s not though. If the National side want their players we can’t stand in the way, it’s always been the case. This is on the Argentina FA and FIFA, it should have not got this far.
Post by: richtheholtender on September 05, 2021, 09:03:40 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on September 05, 2021, 09:05:38 PM
Bunch of ****** all officials, both football and health, from both sides. Vill need to get together with Spurs and fly all 4 out tonight on a private jet.
Could so easily have been stopped by their clubs putting their foot down and ordering them not to go.
Weak management
It’s not though. If the National side want their players we can’t stand in the way, it’s always been the case. This is on the Argentina FA and FIFA, it should have not got this far.
Agree it shouldn’t have gone this far but as far as I’m aware all SA players from prem league were told not to travel. Liverpool didn’t release their Brazilians.
Post by: aj2k77 on September 05, 2021, 09:07:05 PM
Post by: Ian. on September 05, 2021, 09:08:53 PM
Was it a case of Liverpool not releasing them or like our Dougie not selected, maybe all staying behind because of the quarantine rule in Brazil?Bunch of ****** all officials, both football and health, from both sides. Vill need to get together with Spurs and fly all 4 out tonight on a private jet.
Could so easily have been stopped by their clubs putting their foot down and ordering them not to go.
Weak management
It’s not though. If the National side want their players we can’t stand in the way, it’s always been the case. This is on the Argentina FA and FIFA, it should have not got this far.
Agree it shouldn’t have gone this far but as far as I’m aware all SA players from prem league were told not to travel. Liverpool didn’t release their Brazilians.
Post by: Dave P on September 05, 2021, 09:10:44 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on September 05, 2021, 09:13:03 PM
Edit. In response to Ian
Post by: CT on September 05, 2021, 09:13:20 PM
Post by: Ian. on September 05, 2021, 09:16:00 PM
Can’t see Brazil not selecting Allison, Fabinho and Firmino.Ok, fair enough. But would they have to have gone 14 days before this match to be allowed to play? I’m not arguing by the way, just trying to work out what the hell is really happening here.
Edit. In response to Ian
Post by: Ian. on September 05, 2021, 09:19:32 PM
Post by: Dave P on September 05, 2021, 09:21:03 PM
Looking at the web, you have to quarantine for 14 days if coming from the UK, so I make that any player from this country would have to been there from about the 23rd August.
Which begs the question, why were they selected to go? Someone has royally fucked up here.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 05, 2021, 09:22:07 PM
Post by: Ian. on September 05, 2021, 09:22:48 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on September 05, 2021, 09:23:26 PM
Can’t see Brazil not selecting Allison, Fabinho and Firmino.Ok, fair enough. But would they have to have gone 14 days before this match to be allowed to play? I’m not arguing by the way, just trying to work out what the hell is really happening here.
Edit. In response to Ian
From what I can gather, If the rules were applied equally, yes. Just appears to me that with a few high profile Brazilian absentees and a full strength Argentina they waited for the game to kick off before applying the rules, although if Argentina get awarded the game I can’t see the point. I’m confused, which is easily done!!
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 05, 2021, 09:24:42 PM
Post by: Ian. on September 05, 2021, 09:26:58 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 05, 2021, 09:30:40 PM
Can’t see Brazil not selecting Allison, Fabinho and Firmino.Ok, fair enough. But would they have to have gone 14 days before this match to be allowed to play? I’m not arguing by the way, just trying to work out what the hell is really happening here.
Edit. In response to Ian
From what I can gather, If the rules were applied equally, yes. Just appears to me that with a few high profile Brazilian absentees and a full strength Argentina they waited for the game to kick off before applying the rules, although if Argentina get awarded the game I can’t see the point. I’m confused, which is easily done!!
I think you're right. The rules are Brazil's, not Argentina's. They play at home on Friday too, so none of the Brazilian players from the PL would have been available for that, either.
Post by: Ian. on September 05, 2021, 09:33:12 PM
Post by: BC54 VFC on September 05, 2021, 09:33:40 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 05, 2021, 09:34:15 PM
I must admit, it’s very hard to know what the rules are, but it does seem from what can see it is most definitely a right balls up.
"Have you been in any of these countries in the last two weeks?
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"Nooooo"
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 05, 2021, 09:36:23 PM
Post by: Dave on September 05, 2021, 09:42:19 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/EiFSoccer/status/1434599480473620483
Post by: Risso on September 05, 2021, 09:46:21 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 05, 2021, 09:55:21 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 05, 2021, 09:55:37 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 05, 2021, 09:58:48 PM
No sympathy from me. We told them not to go yet they ignored us and put stupid photos of them on a private jet gloating.
Did we tell them not to go?
Post by: Risso on September 05, 2021, 10:04:56 PM
No sympathy from me. We told them not to go yet they ignored us and put stupid photos of them on a private jet gloating.
Did we tell them not to go?
Smith said they did, yes.
Post by: Demitri_C on September 05, 2021, 10:07:02 PM
No sympathy from me. We told them not to go yet they ignored us and put stupid photos of them on a private jet gloating.
Did we tell them not to go?
Yes
Dean Smith revealed he had spoke to both about the situation and made the club’s feelings clear.
He said: “We have sat down with them and told them the Premier League are banning players going to Argentina. So we’ve told them we don’t want them to go out.
“I don’t know what their plans are but they certainly know what our wishes are, that they don’t go, because they’d have to isolate in a government hotel for 10 days when they come back
Post by: Ian. on September 05, 2021, 10:08:44 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 05, 2021, 10:11:47 PM
Post by: paul_e on September 05, 2021, 10:17:14 PM
If that link Dave posted is correct, and you have one part of the Brazilian government giving them permission to play while another department tries to ban them, it may be that Argentina received permission from someone who was not authorised to grant said authorisation.
This seems the most likely explanation. I don't think the 'they lied' part is remotely true either, someone will have advised them that it had been sorted out and handled everything for them.
Post by: gpbarr on September 05, 2021, 10:17:28 PM
Post by: BC Villain on September 05, 2021, 10:17:32 PM
No sympathy from me. We told them not to go yet they ignored us and put stupid photos of them on a private jet gloating.
Did we tell them not to go?
Smith said they did, yes.
Which suggests neither player was particularly frightened of crossing him. Club have got to take a share of the blame here. They should have put their foot down. The likes of Ferguson or Clough would put their foot down
Post by: andyh on September 05, 2021, 10:20:21 PM
It seems these two want to have their cake and eat it.
Post by: paul_e on September 05, 2021, 10:21:11 PM
No sympathy from me. We told them not to go yet they ignored us and put stupid photos of them on a private jet gloating.
Did we tell them not to go?
Smith said they did, yes.
Which suggests neither player was particularly frightened of crossing him. Club have got to take a share of the blame here. They should have put their foot down. The likes of Ferguson or Clough would put their foot down
but the FIFA rules are very clear that the club can't refuse to let players go, so the only way we could do that was to threaten them with fines and/or being dropped. Does anyone really want to see the 2 of them dropped from our first team right now? Everyone knows that would be either an empty threat or a clear case of cutting our nose off to spite our face. It's far from ideal but I'd hope that the shit today puts us in a much stronger position for the next window where we can ask them again to drop out to avoid this sort of nonsense.
Post by: Legion on September 05, 2021, 10:23:31 PM
You clearly have to be a master of subterfuge to get past Brazilian border staff.
I've been to Brazil. They'll let anyone in.
Post by: andyh on September 05, 2021, 10:23:38 PM
Someone somewhere, the players agents, the Argentina FA, one of our members of staff, someone must have asked the question, what are the guidelines for entering Brazil?Fuck that.
Why are any members of our staff accountable?
The players wanted to go, they should fucking well know the rules, and sure as shit the Argentinian football authorities should.
The one group who is not responsible is our club.
Post by: not3bad on September 05, 2021, 10:25:22 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on September 05, 2021, 10:46:19 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on September 05, 2021, 10:56:37 PM
Post by: Skerra on September 05, 2021, 10:58:39 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 05, 2021, 11:04:03 PM
Maybe the "they'll only play two games" bit actually referred to the other two in this stint, Bolivia and Venezuela, not this one. Although from what I can make of it, they couldn't play in the Bolivia game anyway even if they'd flown to Argentina directly after Venezuela as everybody entering the country must isolate for 7 days. Which surely fecks up almost their entire side.
Post by: TonyD on September 06, 2021, 12:26:16 AM
Post by: ozzjim on September 06, 2021, 12:29:50 AM
Post by: TonyD on September 06, 2021, 01:26:01 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 06, 2021, 01:33:40 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 06, 2021, 04:33:29 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 06, 2021, 06:27:13 AM
I don't know what's happened here but I blame Dean Smith. None of Bielsa's players were involved.
These are the kind of situations that make me realise how soft smith is. Scared to upset a player so you let them do as they please. Klopp, ferguson, tuchel wouldnt stand for this shit
Post by: sid1964 on September 06, 2021, 06:29:16 AM
Post by: ozzjim on September 06, 2021, 07:11:27 AM
Post by: gpbarr on September 06, 2021, 07:14:53 AM
I don't know what's happened here but I blame Dean Smith. None of Bielsa's players were involved.
These are the kind of situations that make me realise how soft smith is. Scared to upset a player so you let them do as they please. Klopp, ferguson, tuchel wouldnt stand for this shit
So your Smith, what exactly would you suggest he have done to prevent this?
Post by: CT on September 06, 2021, 07:19:39 AM
I don't know what's happened here but I blame Dean Smith. None of Bielsa's players were involved.
These are the kind of situations that make me realise how soft smith is. Scared to upset a player so you let them do as they please. Klopp, ferguson, tuchel wouldnt stand for this shit
So your Smith, what exactly would you suggest he have done to prevent this?
Exactly. He told them that he, and the club, didn’t want them to go.
They still went. I mean, we can’t stop injured players leaving now, so I’m not sure what Smith can do about the ones that are fit too.
The days of Ryan Giggs having a toenail injury to miss an international and then making a miraculous recovery for the weekend are gone.
Post by: ozzjim on September 06, 2021, 07:25:12 AM
I don't know what's happened here but I blame Dean Smith. None of Bielsa's players were involved.
These are the kind of situations that make me realise how soft smith is. Scared to upset a player so you let them do as they please. Klopp, ferguson, tuchel wouldnt stand for this shit
So your Smith, what exactly would you suggest he have done to prevent this?
60 odd other players didn't travel. So their clubs (I don't think this is Smith decision or influence thing) prevented them from going. We have been soft here.
Post by: Flin5tone on September 06, 2021, 07:32:03 AM
Post by: Risso on September 06, 2021, 07:40:48 AM
Post by: gpbarr on September 06, 2021, 07:46:02 AM
Deducting wages means nothing anymore - these players are multimillionaires. Ban them to the reserves - have a word - they are world class players and we need everyone of those right now. Pissing them off isn’t smart in our situation. And suggesting “other” players didn’t go is silly because their FA didn’t ask them too - Brazil as an example didn’t call their European based players. This is specific to Argentina and as far as I’m aware only Villa and Spurs were thus impacted.
I’m pissed off too - it’s a shambles - but let’s not turn this into Smiths fault. Sometimes players just need to take responsibility - hopefully they’ll think twice next time.
Post by: PeterWithe on September 06, 2021, 07:52:33 AM
Post by: Leicester_Villian on September 06, 2021, 08:50:00 AM
People need to get off the guys back and look at all the positive he had done for the club
Villa could not refuse to release the players and FIFA could ban players if they or the club refused them travel
Post by: lovejoy on September 06, 2021, 08:52:03 AM
Post by: andyh on September 06, 2021, 09:06:26 AM
The bigger picture here is that the UKs covid situation is worse than other european countries that the Brazilians impose more draconian entry rules on us.Oh god, why did you have to say that 😂
Post by: paul_e on September 06, 2021, 09:08:38 AM
It’s unbelievable that the Smith haters are at it yet again …… I presume it was his fault there were no steak pies against Brentford
People need to get off the guys back and look at all the positive he had done for the club
Villa could not refuse to release the players and FIFA could ban players if theyor the clubrefused them travel
No they can't, players can refuse a call up for any reason they like, so long as FIFA can't prove that it was the clubs decision there's nothing they can do. From the players perspective international football is entirely voluntary, this is why other sports have introduced the idea of central contracts so the players are contracted to be available for international competition even if it means missing club games.
Post by: Demitri_C on September 06, 2021, 09:35:35 AM
I don't know what's happened here but I blame Dean Smith. None of Bielsa's players were involved.
These are the kind of situations that make me realise how soft smith is. Scared to upset a player so you let them do as they please. Klopp, ferguson, tuchel wouldnt stand for this shit
So your Smith, what exactly would you suggest he have done to prevent this?
What the other managers did in the premier league. Dont allow them to go
Post by: Demitri_C on September 06, 2021, 09:37:26 AM
It’s unbelievable that the Smith haters are at it yet again …… I presume it was his fault there were no steak pies against Brentford
People need to get off the guys back and look at all the positive he had done for the club
Villa could not refuse to release the players and FIFA could ban players if they or the club refused them travel
Its ridiculous anyone who criticises smith now is "smith hater"
Post by: Risso on September 06, 2021, 09:39:07 AM
It’s unbelievable that the Smith haters are at it yet again …… I presume it was his fault there were no steak pies against Brentford
People need to get off the guys back and look at all the positive he had done for the club
Villa could not refuse to release the players and FIFA could ban players if theyor the clubrefused them travel
No they can't, players can refuse a call up for any reason they like, so long as FIFA can't prove that it was the clubs decision there's nothing they can do. From the players perspective international football is entirely voluntary, this is why other sports have introduced the idea of central contracts so the players are contracted to be available for international competition even if it means missing club games.
I'm not sure that's correct Paul. There was that incident with Matip not wanting to play for Cameroon a few years ago, and being banned from playing for Liverpool, despite having already said he didn't want to play for the national team.
Post by: sickbeggar on September 06, 2021, 09:40:59 AM
Post by: eamonn on September 06, 2021, 10:08:29 AM
I don't know what's happened here but I blame Dean Smith. None of Bielsa's players were involved.
These are the kind of situations that make me realise how soft smith is. Scared to upset a player so you let them do as they please. Klopp, ferguson, tuchel wouldnt stand for this shit
At least he gave Grealish three months off to get rested and well for the Euros and a big summer move ;)
Post by: lovejoy on September 06, 2021, 10:09:17 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 06, 2021, 10:11:26 AM
Let's face it we weren't going to beat Chelsea anyway.
Did you think that as well last game of the season too?
Post by: lovejoy on September 06, 2021, 10:20:18 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on September 06, 2021, 10:25:12 AM
Post by: paul_e on September 06, 2021, 10:25:27 AM
It’s unbelievable that the Smith haters are at it yet again …… I presume it was his fault there were no steak pies against Brentford
People need to get off the guys back and look at all the positive he had done for the club
Villa could not refuse to release the players and FIFA could ban players if theyor the clubrefused them travel
No they can't, players can refuse a call up for any reason they like, so long as FIFA can't prove that it was the clubs decision there's nothing they can do. From the players perspective international football is entirely voluntary, this is why other sports have introduced the idea of central contracts so the players are contracted to be available for international competition even if it means missing club games.
I'm not sure that's correct Paul. There was that incident with Matip not wanting to play for Cameroon a few years ago, and being banned from playing for Liverpool, despite having already said he didn't want to play for the national team.
Yep, agreed, I misread something about it. However I'm not wrong right now because if there is any possibility of a player having to quarantine at any stage they can refuse to join, FIFA changed that last summer.
The bit i misread was about how, right now, national FAs, FIFA and players are all largely following a "gentleman's agreement" process around this because no one wants to be the case that triggers a legal challenge so, in effect, players can withdraw and national teams will rarely raise any objection to it. The article was in Norwegian though (and I mistranslated part of it) because it was specifically about a few of their squad raising moral objections to playing in a world cup in Qatar. A couple of months ago the Norwegian FA voted against boycotting the world cup completely but now the arguments are around whether any of the players will refuse to go (if they qualify of course).
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 06, 2021, 10:30:21 AM
Isn't our next game away and they wont be resting players for a Euro cup final? A completely different Umboto Gorge.
Which players did they rest? They hadn't qualified for this season's competition when they came to Villa Park, they were full strength as far as I can recall.
Post by: paul_e on September 06, 2021, 10:33:54 AM
Isn't our next game away and they wont be resting players for a Euro cup final? A completely different Umboto Gorge.
Which players did they rest? They hadn't qualified for this season's competition when they came to Villa Park, they were full strength as far as I can recall.
Yep, it was pretty much their best XI, 2-3 players on the bench that were rotation options but none that you'd say were clearly being rested.
Post by: gpbarr on September 06, 2021, 11:19:04 AM
I don't know what's happened here but I blame Dean Smith. None of Bielsa's players were involved.
These are the kind of situations that make me realise how soft smith is. Scared to upset a player so you let them do as they please. Klopp, ferguson, tuchel wouldnt stand for this shit
So your Smith, what exactly would you suggest he have done to prevent this?
What the other managers did in the premier league. Dont allow them to go
Fallacy. Only Spurs and Villa had Argentina first XI players called up so he did the same as the other managers. Brazil didn’t call up UK based PL players.
Post by: OCD on September 06, 2021, 11:38:25 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 06, 2021, 11:42:12 AM
Post by: ozzjim on September 06, 2021, 11:55:02 AM
I don't know what's happened here but I blame Dean Smith. None of Bielsa's players were involved.
These are the kind of situations that make me realise how soft smith is. Scared to upset a player so you let them do as they please. Klopp, ferguson, tuchel wouldnt stand for this shit
So your Smith, what exactly would you suggest he have done to prevent this?
What the other managers did in the premier league. Dont allow them to go
Fallacy. Only Spurs and Villa had Argentina first XI players called up so he did the same as the other managers. Brazil didn’t call up UK based PL players.
Other nations did though. Almiron didn't go. Nor did Nakamba for Villa, so it does seem a bit odd.
Post by: Drummond on September 06, 2021, 11:56:12 AM
You clearly have to be a master of subterfuge to get past Brazilian border staff.
I've been to Brazil. They'll let anyone in.
I love you providing the evidence so quickly after the point you made.
Post by: paul_e on September 06, 2021, 11:57:15 AM
I don't know what's happened here but I blame Dean Smith. None of Bielsa's players were involved.
These are the kind of situations that make me realise how soft smith is. Scared to upset a player so you let them do as they please. Klopp, ferguson, tuchel wouldnt stand for this shit
So your Smith, what exactly would you suggest he have done to prevent this?
What the other managers did in the premier league. Dont allow them to go
Fallacy. Only Spurs and Villa had Argentina first XI players called up so he did the same as the other managers. Brazil didn’t call up UK based PL players.
Other nations did though. Almiron didn't go. Nor did Nakamba for Villa, so it does seem a bit odd.
That's player by player though, Nakamba agreed to not go when he was asked, emi and emi didn't by all accounts (and I can understand why they made the choice they did).
Post by: Mister E on September 06, 2021, 12:08:13 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 06, 2021, 01:42:30 PM
It’s unbelievable that the Smith haters are at it yet again …… I presume it was his fault there were no steak pies against Brentford
People need to get off the guys back and look at all the positive he had done for the club
Villa could not refuse to release the players and FIFA could ban players if they or the club refused them travel
I was joking when I blamed Dean Smith. It might not have been funny, but it was obvious.
Post by: Drummond on September 06, 2021, 01:56:33 PM
It’s unbelievable that the Smith haters are at it yet again …… I presume it was his fault there were no steak pies against Brentford
People need to get off the guys back and look at all the positive he had done for the club
Villa could not refuse to release the players and FIFA could ban players if they or the club refused them travel
I was joking when I blamed Dean Smith. It might not have been funny, but it was obvious.
Obviously not funny?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 06, 2021, 01:57:46 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 06, 2021, 02:03:58 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 06, 2021, 02:10:48 PM
Does anybody know actually what is happening with the Emis and where we're now expecting them back?
According to AVFC Brasil they're on the way back to Europe. https://twitter.com/AstonVillabrfc/status/1434851004017750016
Original source is an Argentinian paper. https://twitter.com/DiarioOle/status/1434853639844253703
They're not playing against Bolivia and and returning via Madrid.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 06, 2021, 02:17:20 PM
Post by: john e on September 06, 2021, 02:20:00 PM
Does anybody know actually what is happening with the Emis and where we're now expecting them back?
According to AVFC Brasil they're on the way back to Europe. https://twitter.com/AstonVillabrfc/status/1434851004017750016
Original source is an Argentinian paper. https://twitter.com/DiarioOle/status/1434853639844253703
They're not playing against Bolivia and and returning via Madrid.
More Air miles than Judith Chalmers
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 06, 2021, 02:21:30 PM
According to AVFC Brasil they're on the way back to Europe. https://twitter.com/AstonVillabrfc/status/1434851004017750016
Original source is an Argentinian paper. https://twitter.com/DiarioOle/status/1434853639844253703
They're not playing against Bolivia and and returning via Madrid.
More Air miles than Judith Chalmers
The players or me?
Post by: BC54 VFC on September 06, 2021, 03:13:49 PM
Does anybody know actually what is happening with the Emis and where we're now expecting them back?The two Emi's were on the Argentinian team aircraft - Aerolineas Argentinas A330 - which left Sao Paulo at 01.36hrs UK time today and landed in Buenos Aires at 04.22hrs (UK).
They are then taking a scheduled service, being Air Europa to Madrid 787 - which is scheduled to depart Buenos Aires at 16.10hrs (UK) That aircraft is already on the ground so should leave close to time (very few flights around that time). It is an 11+ hour flight which is scheduled to land in Madrid tomorrow morning at 04.10hrs (UK).
The first flight from Madrid to Croatia tomorrow is an Iberia Airlines flight to Dubrovnik, A320, leaving at 06.45hrs (UK), which is scheduled to land at 09.35hrs (UK).
If they are then isolating for 10 days then they're only going to land back in the UK just in advance of the Everton home game!
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 06, 2021, 03:18:32 PM
Post by: Risso on September 06, 2021, 03:20:02 PM
Does anybody know actually what is happening with the Emis and where we're now expecting them back?The two Emi's were on the Argentinian team aircraft - Aerolineas Argentinas A330 - which left Sao Paulo at 01.36hrs UK time today and landed in Buenos Aires at 04.22hrs (UK).
They are then taking a scheduled service, being Air Europa to Madrid 787 - which is scheduled to depart Buenos Aires at 16.10hrs (UK) That aircraft is already on the ground so should leave close to time (very few flights around that time). It is an 11+ hour flight which is scheduled to land in Madrid tomorrow morning at 04.10hrs (UK).
The first flight from Madrid to Croatia tomorrow is an Iberia Airlines flight to Dubrovnik, A320, leaving at 06.45hrs (UK), which is scheduled to land at 09.35hrs (UK).
If they are then isolating for 10 days then they're only going to land back in the UK just in advance of the Everton home game!
Good info. I thought that they'd get into Croatia tomorrow, which means they can't fly back into the UK until the day of the Everton game.
Post by: Edvard Remberg on September 06, 2021, 03:36:50 PM
When does the 10 day counting start? Surely from leaving Argentina rather than arrival in Croatia?Does anybody know actually what is happening with the Emis and where we're now expecting them back?The two Emi's were on the Argentinian team aircraft - Aerolineas Argentinas A330 - which left Sao Paulo at 01.36hrs UK time today and landed in Buenos Aires at 04.22hrs (UK).
They are then taking a scheduled service, being Air Europa to Madrid 787 - which is scheduled to depart Buenos Aires at 16.10hrs (UK) That aircraft is already on the ground so should leave close to time (very few flights around that time). It is an 11+ hour flight which is scheduled to land in Madrid tomorrow morning at 04.10hrs (UK).
The first flight from Madrid to Croatia tomorrow is an Iberia Airlines flight to Dubrovnik, A320, leaving at 06.45hrs (UK), which is scheduled to land at 09.35hrs (UK).
If they are then isolating for 10 days then they're only going to land back in the UK just in advance of the Everton home game!
Good info. I thought that they'd get into Croatia tomorrow, which means they can't fly back into the UK until the day of the Everton game.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 06, 2021, 03:44:47 PM
Post by: Skerra on September 06, 2021, 03:55:50 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 06, 2021, 03:57:48 PM
Post by: KevinGage on September 06, 2021, 04:04:52 PM
Martinez and Buendia are still building their reputation with the national side. Neither would be guaranteed first picks at this stage (though Martinez must be close to that now). So they can't really say no when their country asks - especially when one of those games is against the old enemy.
The scenes yesterday were pure theatre - and humiliating for Argentina. So it's either a monumental phuck up by someone at the AFA. Or -as someone mentioned earlier on this thread - deiberate mixed messages from the Brazilian authorities to leave them in the shit.
If the knock on effect is Brazil end up playing a weakened Argentina = even better for them.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 06, 2021, 05:43:37 PM
As you were.
Post by: brontebilly on September 06, 2021, 06:44:44 PM
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 06, 2021, 06:50:21 PM
If both players are vaccinated then I'm struggling to see what the issue is with them returning to play for us
You not been following the news for the last 18 months ?
Post by: BC Villain on September 06, 2021, 06:57:22 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on September 06, 2021, 06:58:14 PM
Tim Vickery trying to explain everything on SSN with Mr Cool’s Dream, Ian Mum’s definitive Style Council history, on the shelf behind him. I knew he was a clever bloke with impeccable taste.
As you were.
If that was the same interview of which I just caught part, he wasn’t sure that the Emis had left Argentina
Post by: Demitri_C on September 06, 2021, 07:11:09 PM
Matt Law has tweeted that Martinez has said that Villa did not know the quarantine rules for Brazil.....
I mean martinez is making the club look like fools if he said that
Post by: Ads on September 06, 2021, 07:21:52 PM
Matt Law has tweeted that Martinez has said that Villa did not know the quarantine rules for Brazil.....
I mean martinez is making the club look like fools if he said that
Why?
Why do we need to know the rules about Brazil?
Post by: Steve67 on September 06, 2021, 07:44:21 PM
Post by: Ian. on September 06, 2021, 07:47:38 PM
Matt Law has tweeted that Martinez has said that Villa did not know the quarantine rules for Brazil.....
I mean martinez is making the club look like fools if he said that
I’d say everyone involved this has looked like fools, except Villa. Smith advised them not to go but they went.
Post by: BC Villain on September 06, 2021, 07:49:32 PM
Matt Law has tweeted that Martinez has said that Villa did not know the quarantine rules for Brazil.....
I mean martinez is making the club look like fools if he said that
He's making the AFA and FIFA look fools. Surely it's up to them to make players aware of the rules. You'd hope the player himself would make the effort to check as well.
Post by: CT on September 06, 2021, 08:00:28 PM
Matt Law has tweeted that Martinez has said that Villa did not know the quarantine rules for Brazil.....
I mean martinez is making the club look like fools if he said that
He's making the AFA and FIFA look fools. Surely it's up to them to make players aware of the rules. You'd hope the player himself would make the effort to check as well.
In most cases, I’d agree. But how many ex players struggle because everything gets done for them during their playing days. All they do is bring some hand luggage, the rest is taken care of for them. They barely have to think.
Post by: Lsvilla on September 06, 2021, 08:23:10 PM
Especially as he was there not that long ago playing in Copa America.Matt Law has tweeted that Martinez has said that Villa did not know the quarantine rules for Brazil.....
I mean martinez is making the club look like fools if he said that
Why?
Why do we need to know the rules about Brazil?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 06, 2021, 08:35:45 PM
Post by: Ian. on September 06, 2021, 08:51:41 PM
Post by: Matt C on September 06, 2021, 09:49:09 PM
Post by: brontebilly on September 06, 2021, 10:12:13 PM
If both players are vaccinated then I'm struggling to see what the issue is with them returning to play for us
You not been following the news for the last 18 months ?
Vaccines aren't out 18 months...
Post by: andyh on September 06, 2021, 10:16:11 PM
HE wanted to go, against club wishes.
HE has the ability to think for himself and understand all the implications of travel (hmmmm, maybe that’s taking it a little far, expecting a professional footballer to be able to think for themselves).
HE ‘lied’ to the authorities about his origins of travel.
He needs to take some fucking personal responsibility because it looks to me like he’s becoming a bit of an ‘entitled’ prick.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 06, 2021, 10:18:58 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 06, 2021, 10:44:16 PM
What a load a hysterical shite. He wanted to play for his country in the biggest derby in international football, and assumed, as anyone in his position would, that the people who are paid to know the rules regarding travel and Covid and so on wouldn't be amateurish idiots.
Completely agree. Brazil made a fucking pigs ear of this also which happened to be against their fiercest rivals. I don’t see why the four players are being singled out like they went out of their way to con the system. It’s not like they took a secret covert flight out there. It was all quite public
Post by: Steve67 on September 06, 2021, 10:47:26 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 06, 2021, 10:51:51 PM
Post by: Steve67 on September 06, 2021, 10:54:31 PM
Yes. The point of going to Croatia is that they don't have to isolate in a bog standard hotel room while they're there, as they would if they went straight from South America to the UK, so can keep themselves active and fit, hopefully.
Righto, thanks mate. I presume they also miss the Everton game, unless they arrive back tomorrow?
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 06, 2021, 11:06:51 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 06, 2021, 11:15:02 PM
Post by: LeonW on September 06, 2021, 11:52:42 PM
Apparently, all the Argentinian premier league players were told on the Saturday by the Brazilian authorities that they had to quarantine but the team decided to travel to the game on Sunday anyway. The Argentina association thought (even after this notification on Saturday) that the same rules as those in place during the Copa America during Brazil still applied.
5 Live also said that Villa did give permission for our players to go but Tottenham didn’t and they decided to travel anyway.
Martinez is quoted as saying that “After winning the Copa America, the whole team wants to be with the group. It’s something beautiful that we have and we assume the consequences.”
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 07, 2021, 12:02:50 AM
You clearly have to be a master of subterfuge to get past Brazilian border staff.
I've been to Brazil. They'll let anyone in.
Getting into Brasil is easy, it's leaving that's the difficult part. ;)
Post by: eamonn on September 08, 2021, 10:56:25 AM
Tim Vickery trying to explain everything on SSN with Mr Cool’s Dream, Ian Mum’s definitive Style Council history, on the shelf behind him. I knew he was a clever bloke with impeccable taste.
As you were.
Ian what? There's a surname called "Mum"?! Well, I'll be damned...
Post by: lovejoy on September 08, 2021, 01:47:00 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 08, 2021, 01:55:19 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 08, 2021, 03:59:16 PM
Tim Vickery trying to explain everything on SSN with Mr Cool’s Dream, Ian Mum’s definitive Style Council history, on the shelf behind him. I knew he was a clever bloke with impeccable taste.
As you were.
Ian what? There's a surname called "Mum"?! Well, I'll be damned...
Sorry, Munn. Autocorrect compounded by my terrible eyesight.
Post by: Demitri_C on September 08, 2021, 04:12:19 PM
Thiago Silva out of Villa game. Brazil have banned all the players who refused to go with the exception of Richarlison as thanks for releasing him for the Olympics when they didn't have to.
Although it helps us thats very bitter by the Brazilians.
Post by: olaftab on September 08, 2021, 04:28:22 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 08, 2021, 04:43:54 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 08, 2021, 04:46:37 PM
Tim Vickery trying to explain everything on SSN with Mr Cool’s Dream, Ian Mum’s definitive Style Council history, on the shelf behind him. I knew he was a clever bloke with impeccable taste.
As you were.
Ian what? There's a surname called "Mum"?! Well, I'll be damned...
Sorry, Munn. Autocorrect compounded by my terrible eyesight.
Ha...bit of a shame, it was a great quirk.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 08, 2021, 05:11:18 PM
Simon Jordan mentioned any Brasil players called up from England would have to isolate for ten days anyway, so what's the point of going
He's wrong. Brazilian nationals are exempt from that rule. Hence Willian started training with his new club more or less as soon as he arrived from Arsenal.
Post by: BC54 VFC on September 08, 2021, 11:05:21 PM
Correct.Simon Jordan mentioned any Brasil players called up from England would have to isolate for ten days anyway, so what's the point of going
He's wrong. Brazilian nationals are exempt from that rule. Hence Willian started training with his new club more or less as soon as he arrived from Arsenal.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 10, 2021, 02:51:25 PM
"They are over in Croatia. We spoke with the authorities to make sure it was the right thing to do. They’re training over there, working hard to get ready for Everton next week."
Post by: Skerra on September 10, 2021, 08:44:56 PM
Post by: Dave on September 10, 2021, 10:21:29 PM
Thiago Silva out of Villa game. Brazil have banned all the players who refused to go with the exception of Richarlison as thanks for releasing him for the Olympics when they didn't have to.
Although it helps us thats very bitter by the Brazilians.
Don't think he's played for Chelsea yet this season, so he's probably not someone they're really relying on.
Post by: CT on September 11, 2021, 07:29:47 AM
Thiago Silva out of Villa game. Brazil have banned all the players who refused to go with the exception of Richarlison as thanks for releasing him for the Olympics when they didn't have to.
Although it helps us thats very bitter by the Brazilians.
Don't think he's played for Chelsea yet this season, so he's probably not someone they're really relying on.
Apparently no one will miss any games today now, apart from our two of course.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 11, 2021, 09:06:41 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 14, 2021, 01:26:16 PM
I saw a mention that more countries were being added to the UK Red list the other day. I'm half expecting Croatia to be one of them.
Post by: eamonn on September 15, 2021, 05:46:05 PM
I see that both Brazil and Argentina both won their games comfortably, even without our contingent.
What are you....trying to say...?
Post by: Scott Nielsen on September 19, 2021, 05:53:53 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 30, 2021, 10:09:20 AM
Ministers on Wednesday agreed to relax travel restrictions for next month’s World Cup qualifiers by allowing those involved to avoid isolating for 10 days in a designated hotel upon their return.
But it was made clear players would still have to spend a full week and a half in supervised quarantine and would only be allowed outside to train and play.
The Premier League had put forward a plan to Government that would have seen affected players spend five days in club bubbles where their Covid status could be checked.
But that was rejected by ministers, who were also planning to exclude those not fully vaccinated against Covid-19 from any easing of the rules.
A source at one of the worst affected clubs told Telegraph Sport: “This so-called solution is ridiculous. The clubs involved in the process think anything longer than five days is no solution at all – it’s as unreasonable as it is unworkable.
“The Premier League has clearly been unable to exert any meaningful influence on this discussion.”
Under the Government plan, eligible players would spend 10 days quarantining in a secured private residence or hotel – with 24-hour security.
They would be permitted no guests or visitors other than Public Health England, with meals to be dropped at the door, and would be required to use private, individual transport going to and from training and games.
“To be honest, this feels like the worst possible solution,” the club source added. “A ‘solution’ in name only. More accurately, an unworkable, impractical mess.”
A failure to strike a deal over the red-list row could witness a repeat of clubs’ refusal this month to release players for international duty.
That had seen them face being banned by Fifa from fielding those players, a threat that only subsided after the Government agreed to consider relaxing red-list rules.
Even a halving of the quarantine period for players returning from affected countries would not prevent many missing their clubs’ next match after the upcoming international break.
Brazil, Argentina and other countries in the Americas play three matches in that period, the last of which kick-off in the early hours of the morning of Friday October 15 UK time.
That would deprive many Premier League clubs of some of their best players when they return to action the following afternoon.
The same club source said talks to avoid this could not begin until the quarantine issue was resolved
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 01, 2021, 01:12:20 PM
This will be subject to a code of conduct which includes restrictions on transport, close contact, and stringent protocols on testing, vaccination and bubbles.
A government spokesperson said: "We have worked closely with football authorities to achieve an outcome that balances the interests of both club and country while maintaining the highest levels of public health and safety.
"Our best defence against the virus is vaccination and these new measures will allow fully vaccinated players to fulfill their international duties in the safest, most practical way possible, while allowing them to train and play with their clubs as early as possible upon their return."
Post by: Drummond on October 01, 2021, 01:16:42 PM
Post by: Towser on October 01, 2021, 01:25:55 PM
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Ashley Preece
@PreeceObserver
Dean Smith confirmed via Sky Sports that those travelling to red-list countries - Martinez, Nakamba & Traore - have been double-jabbed. Govt now confirm double-jabbed players can fulfil international matches, with Martinez, Nakamba & Traore all OK to return for #avfc vs Wolves
Post by: Risso on October 01, 2021, 02:48:15 PM
Post by: darren woolley on October 01, 2021, 04:58:24 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 06, 2021, 01:56:57 AM
Three senior team members have reportedly insisted that they are too healthy to suffer Covid, a decision that potentially endangers England's World Cup hopes in Qatar next year where organisers plan to ban unvaccinated players.
At least two others are said to have refused the jabs, with some thought to have swallowed conspiracy theories and online 'misinformation' while others have apparently been pressured by their wives.
Southgate:
We will have an idea because there is going to be some things where one group is going to go through one door and another will go through another over the next few months, so I don’t know quite how we are going to keep that medical confidentiality.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 06, 2021, 11:44:31 PM
“It’s a personal thing for me. I have contracted the virus before, I am in Italy and, for me, it is the right thing to do. Everyone is entitled to do what they want and what is personal to them. They should make the decision about what they want to do.”
Post by: wince on October 07, 2021, 07:49:34 AM
Tammy Abraham said: “It is a personal choice. People are entitled to do what they want to do with their bodies. For me, it was a different situation. I am vaccinated. That is a personal choice.”
“It’s a personal thing for me. I have contracted the virus before, I am in Italy and, for me, it is the right thing to do. Everyone is entitled to do what they want and what is personal to them. They should make the decision about what they want to do.”
Tammy “aleister Crowley do what thou wilt” Abraham. Footballers aren’t the brightest sparks are they? Sometimes it’s best to say nothing
Post by: PeterWithe on October 07, 2021, 08:32:04 AM