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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Sexual Ealing on August 26, 2021, 10:35:54 PM
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A long interview here with Gary Neville. I enjoyed it. He talks briefly about his time at Villa,and in retrospect it's hard to disagree with him (soz, forgot to log the time when he discusses us).
It made me quite like him, which is weird. I also tried to revive the old RK thread before starting this one but it's either locked or simply dead.
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What minute does he talk villa?
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Just watched that, great interview. So who were the 6-7 wasters he was referring to and who were the two worst professionals he’s ever worked with? I’d suggest Gabby was one and unsure on the other one.
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What minute does he talk villa?
Sorry, didn't take note.
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Just watched that, great interview. So who were the 6-7 wasters he was referring to and who were the two worst professionals he’s ever worked with? I’d suggest Gabby was one and unsure on the other one.
Gabby, N'Zogbia, Ireland would make my guess list.
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What minute does he talk villa?
Sorry, didn't take note.
I would normally just watch it but I am sat in heartlands with a potential 3 hour wait in front of me.
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It's less than an hour. That's a third of your wait!
I hope everything is ok, btw.
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"2% Villa". Am I in a Life on Mars sequel and back in 2007?
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Just watched that, great interview. So who were the 6-7 wasters he was referring to and who were the two worst professionals he’s ever worked with? I’d suggest Gabby was one and unsure on the other one.
Gabby, N'Zogbia, Ireland would make my guess list.
Hadn't Ireland and CNZ left by then? You lose track in that era given how many bad players we had at various times.
I remember from his brief time with us we had a bad defeat, there was some leak in the press and he went round a players house who was living in the North-west to confront them, we had Cleverley on loan that season so I reckon he didn't rate him from his mediocre performances for them and then for us until Sherwood turned up.
Don't think Delph was much of a fan of him either so he could be another contender.
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It's less than an hour. That's a third of your wait!
I hope everything is ok, btw.
I know, ots the other patients. All is ok (I hope) I had an accident with thr dog a couple of weeks back where her lead got tangled around my legs. I had shorts on and the lead a ripped me abs has become infected. After five days on antibiotics I am still no better.
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That was a good watch.
Said two players when he was at Villa were the worst professionals he's ever encountered, and now he sees 'some of them' on the media talking about other players.
I reckon one of them is Micah Richards, for sure.
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That was a good watch.
Said two players when he was at Villa were the worst professionals he's ever encountered, and now he sees 'some of them' on the media talking about other players.
I reckon one of them is Micah Richards, for sure.
Richards turned up six month after he left.
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He was gone by the time Micah graced our sickbed with his presence.
Gabby fo sho.
Then either N'Zog or Joe 30 fags a day Cole.
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That was a good watch.
Said two players when he was at Villa were the worst professionals he's ever encountered, and now he sees 'some of them' on the media talking about other players.
I reckon one of them is Micah Richards, for sure.
Richards turned up six month after he left.
Goddamn it!
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Great watch. One is obviously that complete knob Gabby.
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Looking at the squad list from his time at the club, Alan Hutton, Joe Cole, Darren Bent and Gabby Agbonlahor are the ones who have done some media work after finishing playing (seem to recall Kieran Richardson appearing on a few things as well).
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Joe Cole always had a reputation as a great pro didn’t he?
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Gabby and Joe Cole.
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There was a quote from an unamed player from when Keane supposedly went round to a players house to have it out with him, something about the intensity of Keane in training when it's only Aston Villa we're playing for, not a champions league club.
It stuck with me because it said everything about the joke of a club that we were and the useless twats we employed. The club feels unrecognisable from that time now.
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Looking at the squad list from his time at the club, Alan Hutton, Joe Cole, Darren Bent and Gabby Agbonlahor are the ones who have done some media work after finishing playing (seem to recall Kieran Richardson appearing on a few things as well).
Forgot about Darren Bent - he's in the media/radio a lot.
Hutton was out of the bomb squad when Keane arrived.
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There was a quote from an unamed player from when Keane supposedly went round to a players house to have it out with him, something about the intensity of Keane in training when it's only Aston Villa we're playing for, not a champions league club.
It stuck with me because it said everything about the joke of a club that we were and the useless twats we employed. The club feels unrecognisable from that time now.
Yep, thank god it does.
Terry made a big difference to our dressing room. He came with the right mentality for training and levels, in the same way Keane was expecting but thankfully people listened.
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I wonder might one of them have been Guzan? He said most clubs have one or two bad apples, Villa had 5 or 6 that season. And then, of course, we added a couple more (Richards and Lescott). The place was toxic.
A lot of people don't like Keane but he was correct in what he said in that clip. That Tom Cleverley story though...could have been an important intervention given how close we were to going down that season.
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What the cleverley reference?
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No-one was more unprofessional or more of a bottling wuss for bailing out at Villa than Keane. Zero time for him. All he did was grow a silly beard.
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No-one was more unprofessional or more of a bottling wuss for bailing out at Villa than Keane. Zero time for him. All he did was grow a silly beard.
And promote his book which was published at the same time
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Best thing he did at Villa was to blank Mourinho when he tried to shake his hand a few minutes before the final whistle when we played Chelsea one time
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No-one was more unprofessional or more of a bottling wuss for bailing out at Villa than Keane. Zero time for him. All he did was grow a silly beard.
And promote his book which was published at the same time
Exactly, he just likes to stir up shit - a footballing Farage if you will - in fact I'm annoyed with myself I've taken the bait, commented and given him my tuppeny halfpenny's worth of the attention he seems to crave.
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Looking at the squad list from his time at the club, Alan Hutton, Joe Cole, Darren Bent and Gabby Agbonlahor are the ones who have done some media work after finishing playing (seem to recall Kieran Richardson appearing on a few things as well).
He signed Richardson for Sunderland so unlikely to be him. Can't imagine Keane was too happy at the latitude those jokers got under Lambert. Lambert gave Gabby a new contract ffs and that bomb squad episode was embarrassing. At least Terry lasted the course as an assistant for a few seasons, Keane barely lasted a few weeks.
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Best thing he did at Villa was to blank Mourinho when he tried to shake his hand a few minutes before the final whistle when we played Chelsea one time
Lambert too. Fair point.
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Looking at the squad list from his time at the club, Alan Hutton, Joe Cole, Darren Bent and Gabby Agbonlahor are the ones who have done some media work after finishing playing (seem to recall Kieran Richardson appearing on a few things as well).
Bent was on TS a few months back and actually said he liked playing under Keane. Don't know if it was mutual but said they were locked in the dressing room for a good hour after losing to QPR and Keane completely lost it with them.
Actually think Bacuna is an outsider. Had a decent first season with us, got the big new contract and then lost interest in improving further so reckon he'd have got a bit of stick from Keane.
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There was a quote from an unamed player from when Keane supposedly went round to a players house to have it out with him, something about the intensity of Keane in training when it's only Aston Villa we're playing for, not a champions league club.
It stuck with me because it said everything about the joke of a club that we were and the useless twats we employed. The club feels unrecognisable from that time now.
Yeah I remember that. Think the quote actually was "we don't get paid what CL players do so why does he expect us to play like them?" Sounds exactly like something Gabby would come out with.
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Great player in his day.
And I'm sure he may have rared up on a few of our wastrels back in 14/15.
But his whole reasoning for taking the job seemed a bit off from the outset: just to be in a better position to scout players for Ireland.
Ultimately, he treated the club with a similar level of contempt than Houllier, Erik Cack, Lescott and the rest. Fcuk him and fcuk them.
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Houllier treated us with contempt? I thought he just got ill.
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Aye. In the sense that from day one (before that, actually) he gave off the vibe that we should be grateful just to have him and phoning it in was enough.
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Aye. In the sense that from day one (before that, actually) he gave off the vibe that we should be grateful just to have him and phoning it in was enough.
Yea and the touching the ‘you’ll never walk alone’ sign with Misty eyes when we played them up there, ffs. Always gave the impression to me he didn’t really want to be there or at that we were a bit beneath him.
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From what I've heard of Keane's time at Man U, they put up with him being an @rse because he was a great player, and once he went on the wane they got rid. I doubt that's an uncommon thing to do as the best players do get treated differently. In defence of our players at the time. employing a borderline sociopath as an assistant manager is probably a bad move especially if you go into it with the same mindset as you had when you were a player. You're not going to be working with the standard of players you're used to so you have to adapt your demands which seems to have been a problem with every club Keane has been involved with post playing career. I'm sure Terry had the same problem but he adapted. Having said that, there's no doubt our team at the time would have had the most laid-back manager pulling his hair out. A whole barrel worth of bad apples
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A long interview here with Gary Neville. I enjoyed it. He talks briefly about his time at Villa,and in retrospect it's hard to disagree with him (soz, forgot to log the time when he discusses us).
It made me quite like him, which is weird. I also tried to revive the old RK thread before starting this one but it's either locked or simply dead.
Talks about Villa from 49.30
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Houllier treated us with contempt? I thought he just got ill.
Wasn't it his initial press conference where it became knowledge he knew nothing about us?
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I watched the whole thing and found it an interesting profile of him.
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He was quoted in French papers and radio over there shortly before the appointment saying "In my opinion, it's a club that finishes 7-12th."
Despite us just finishing 6th for three seasons running and that being viewed as underachievement, by many.
It's not a hanging offence that he didn't have the same affinity for the Villa that he might have had for the other club he was always wittering on about. But as one of the highest paid representatives of our club at the time he should have had a bit more enthusiasm for the job.
We were viewed as dark horses for the league going into that season. Yet GH spoke as if we were Wigan or similar.
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Well he always was a bit of a knob, was Houllier.
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Ah fair enough, he definitely gave off a 'snooty' vibe I just didn't know anything to actually back that up. I mean I don't like Alan Tittymarsh but that's literally just because of his face.
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I may have my maths wrong, but as I recall, we had 7 points after 5 games when Houllier managed his first game, we then won 8 points in our last 4 under McAlister.
Meaning Houllier took 33 points from 29 games, having inherited a team who had just finished 6th three years in a row, minus Milner, and given £24-30m to spend in January.
I didn't get too worked up about the misty-eyed bullshit at Anfield. I can just about forgive losing to SHA in the League Cup and allowing them the greatest moment in their history. Also, not trying to defend MON leaving when he did, or the shit that followed. But I never felt Houllier really wanted to be here, and I think he did a pretty shit job.
Rather than things suddenly going wrong when we appointed McLeish, I consider the lack of enthusiasm and general downgrading of expectations under Houllier to be very much part of our downward trajectory.
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Agree entirely. Also, the abject surrender to Man City in the cup, when we were in reasonable form and had just beaten them, was unforgivable.
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You can say what you like about Keane but this sort of fits in with the way things were perceived by a lot of fans at the time.
Roy Keane on his time coaching at Aston Villa.
Keane has said that some of the players he coached when he was at the club were 'imposters' and 'scumbags.'
The former Manchester United captain told the Overlap Live that some players had a poor attitude and 'didn't train properly' or 'speak to staff properly.'
The Sky Sports pundit, 50, did not identify any of the players, but he unfavourably compared the attitude of some of the Villa squad members to his former teammates at Old Trafford.
"We had a brilliant dressing-room at Manchester United, and you assume it’s the same everywhere, it’s not," Keane said during a live edition of The Overlap in Manchester.
"It’s only when you go to another club and see so-called professional footballers. 'Imposters' I call them.
roy keane punditry
"I went to coach at Aston Villa. Honestly, there were players at the club like scumbags. They would have been scumbags on a building site," he continued.
"They didn't train properly. They didn’t speak to staff properly. Then you wonder why they don't win anything, because they’ve people like you in the dressing-room.
"The strange this is, you turn up on time and train properly and they think there's something wrong with you. No, you're supposed to train like it's the last training session you'll ever have. They're like, 'Nah, not for me'. P***k."
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I wonder who he could be talking about.
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Stan Collymore annoyed voice.
'LEANDRO, JOLLYON, GABBY'
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Actually I don't think Jolllyyyon was there at the time. Too busy fist pumping goals for whichever team he played for in front of the Holte.
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It's Gabby.
The Big Noise was on about it again last week, how he faced Keane down because he was asking players to do too much. Boasting about it, the big tit.
Embarrassing from the club captain.
Not that I have a whole heap of time for Keane either.
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Were Karsa and Culverhouse still there at that time (dismissed for bad attitudes themselves) or was Keane a partial-replacement for them?
Any teenage Villa fan now who started following us in the mid 2010's you have my utmost respect. You were cheering a bunch of fcuking parasites throughout your childhood.
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Sure many football supporters didn't like Keane, but when comes to professionalism he was at the top of the league,bet he wanted to sort a few outside after working hours
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Keanes full of bluster and self importance a lot of the time (i still actually quite like him), but whatever, we all saw what he’s talking about ourselves and we’ll all know its true.
Ive said before a long while ago probably on the Gabby thread, that a mate of mines son, used to play kids Sunday football with one of Gabbys kids. Said Gabby was a nice enough bloke, quiet but friendly also provided football boots for all the kids without any fuss. So theres always two sides. However, he is embarrassing on Talksport, daft kid playing up to the class. How he can tell those ‘bantz’ stories about a time his club were circling the drain and stinking the place out, is at best bemusing. Anything for a quick buck and bit regular publicity.
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Were Karsa and Culverhouse still there at that time (dismissed for bad attitudes themselves) or was Keane a partial-replacement for them?
Any teenage Villa fan now who started following us in the mid 2010's you have my utmost respect. You were cheering a bunch of fcuking parasites throughout your childhood.
My 17 year old son who has missed 2 away games all season ( I get the blame for this from Wife & his Mom 😆) I said to him after Newcastle away, you have and still watch some shit, but when he came back from Brighton he was buzzing. I wish I was young again UTV
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You can say what you like about Keane but this sort of fits in with the way things were perceived by a lot of fans at the time.
Roy Keane on his time coaching at Aston Villa.
Keane has said that some of the players he coached when he was at the club were 'imposters' and 'scumbags.'
The former Manchester United captain told the Overlap Live that some players had a poor attitude and 'didn't train properly' or 'speak to staff properly.'
The Sky Sports pundit, 50, did not identify any of the players, but he unfavourably compared the attitude of some of the Villa squad members to his former teammates at Old Trafford.
"We had a brilliant dressing-room at Manchester United, and you assume it’s the same everywhere, it’s not," Keane said during a live edition of The Overlap in Manchester.
"It’s only when you go to another club and see so-called professional footballers. 'Imposters' I call them.
roy keane punditry
"I went to coach at Aston Villa. Honestly, there were players at the club like scumbags. They would have been scumbags on a building site," he continued.
"They didn't train properly. They didn’t speak to staff properly. Then you wonder why they don't win anything, because they’ve people like you in the dressing-room.
"The strange this is, you turn up on time and train properly and they think there's something wrong with you. No, you're supposed to train like it's the last training session you'll ever have. They're like, 'Nah, not for me'. P***k."
100%
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Keanes full of bluster and self importance a lot of the time (i still actually quite like him), but whatever, we all saw what he’s talking about ourselves and we’ll all know its true.
Ive said before a long while ago probably on the Gabby thread, that a mate of mines son, used to play kids Sunday football with one of Gabbys kids. Said Gabby was a nice enough bloke, quiet but friendly also provided football boots for all the kids without any fuss. So theres always two sides. However, he is embarrassing on Talksport, daft kid playing up to the class. How he can tell those ‘bantz’ stories about a time his club were circling the drain and stinking the place out, is at best bemusing. Anything for a quick buck and bit regular publicity.
Sorry but this “two sides” things with players totally winds me up. The fact that he bought boots for his kids team and was a “nice bloke”is totally irrelevant. He should have doing his day job properly and not dragging us into the gutter with his ridiculous antics. Absolute waste of space
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Keane may not be perfect but what was he trying to do? Install professionalism in a dressing room full of the biggest wasters our club has ever seen, some of which are earning fortunes now as media pundits because of their 'expertise'. He's worth a hundred Agbonlahors.
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Keanes full of bluster and self importance a lot of the time (i still actually quite like him), but whatever, we all saw what he’s talking about ourselves and we’ll all know its true.
Ive said before a long while ago probably on the Gabby thread, that a mate of mines son, used to play kids Sunday football with one of Gabbys kids. Said Gabby was a nice enough bloke, quiet but friendly also provided football boots for all the kids without any fuss. So theres always two sides. However, he is embarrassing on Talksport, daft kid playing up to the class. How he can tell those ‘bantz’ stories about a time his club were circling the drain and stinking the place out, is at best bemusing. Anything for a quick buck and bit regular publicity.
Sorry but this “two sides” things with players totally winds me up. The fact that he bought boots for his kids team and was a “nice bloke”is totally irrelevant. He should have doing his day job properly and not dragging us into the gutter with his ridiculous antics. Absolute waste of space
If you read the whole post i wasn’t defending him and called him out for his embarrassing stories on the radio and agree he was a fundamental part of that whole shambles for 4 or 5 years. Two sides as a human being was all i was saying. Ultimately he wasn’t professional, he was a part of dragging the club down for a while, he doesn’t do himself any favours with his media stuff, but lets not mix that up with him being some awful human being, as none of us know that. There’s plenty of evidence for awful human beings at the moment, and in the context of whats going on in the world, its not some over paid former footballer.
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Won't mince words about Gobby he's a complete and utter dic, don't care who's football boots he bought, while I was shitting myself about Aston Villa club he was getting pissed and having a laugh, Gobby 🖕
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Keanes full of bluster and self importance a lot of the time (i still actually quite like him), but whatever, we all saw what he’s talking about ourselves and we’ll all know its true.
Ive said before a long while ago probably on the Gabby thread, that a mate of mines son, used to play kids Sunday football with one of Gabbys kids. Said Gabby was a nice enough bloke, quiet but friendly also provided football boots for all the kids without any fuss. So theres always two sides. However, he is embarrassing on Talksport, daft kid playing up to the class. How he can tell those ‘bantz’ stories about a time his club were circling the drain and stinking the place out, is at best bemusing. Anything for a quick buck and bit regular publicity.
Sorry but this “two sides” things with players totally winds me up. The fact that he bought boots for his kids team and was a “nice bloke”is totally irrelevant. He should have doing his day job properly and not dragging us into the gutter with his ridiculous antics. Absolute waste of space
If you read the whole post i wasn’t defending him and called him out for his embarrassing stories on the radio and agree he was a fundamental part of that whole shambles for 4 or 5 years. Two sides as a human being was all i was saying. Ultimately he wasn’t professional, he was a part of dragging the club down for a while, he doesn’t do himself any favours with his media stuff, but lets not mix that up with him being some awful human being, as none of us know that. There’s plenty of evidence for awful human beings at the moment, and in the context of whats going on in the world, its not some over paid former footballer.
I did read your post and of course, your right, in context with current events football is nothing. My point is that he made a mockery of our club with his ridiculous antics and got paid a kings ransom for doing it. The fact that he may be a nice bloke or indeed a awful bloke is totally irrelevant. He couldn’t be bothered to do his day job properly when people like you and I were paying for the privilege of watching him. It makes me cringe to listen to him on talksport
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It's certainly Gabby and one other.
I keep thinking Delph has retired and then you see him randomly starting a game for Everton every six months.
All of Hutton, Joe Cole (for ITV last night), Given and Darren Bent have done media work since they retired so all contenders.
Would still say Cleverley as would imagine Keane wasn't a big fan of him playing in his old position at Man. United and probably less of a fan watching him close up in training.
Edit: Just read his latest comments, I imagine the "that's why they don't win anything" jibe was Keane having a chuckle watching us stink out the cup final six months after he left. Massively disappointing considering how well we did v Liverpool, summed up that era very well.
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It's certainly Gabby and one other.
I keep thinking Delph has retired and then you see him randomly starting a game for Everton every six months.
All of Hutton, Joe Cole (for ITV last night), Given and Darren Bent have done media work since they retired so all contenders.
Would still say Cleverley as would imagine Keane wasn't a big fan of him playing in his old position at Man. United and probably less of a fan watching him close up in training.
Edit: Just read his latest comments, I imagine the "that's why they don't win anything" jibe was Keane having a chuckle watching us stink out the cup final six months after he left. Massively disappointing considering how well we did v Liverpool, summed up that era very well.
I remember the 'unamed source', which Keane clearly believed to be Cleverley and thus went round his house to have it out with, was quoted as saying something along the lines of:
"He expects us to be training like he did at Man Utd, but this isn't the Champions League"
Wankers.