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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Ads on July 08, 2021, 01:58:46 PM
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A bit of fun and it doesn't have to be either or in reality, but, gun to your head, who would you rather see win?
Villa for me.
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Villa by a million miles.
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Villa all day long.
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I normally put Villa over England every time, but sorry had to go with England winning a trophy. If the Villa v Watford was the FA cup final then Villa though.
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Someone said to me they'd rather see Villa win the FA Cup than England win a tournament. I replied that I'd rather see Villa win a game than England win a tournament
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Someone said to me they'd rather see Villa win the FA Cup than England win a tournament. I replied that I'd rather see Villa win a game than England win a tournament
I'd rather see Villa win a corner.
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Not even close, Villa every time.
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I normally put Villa over England every time, but sorry had to go with England winning a trophy. If the Villa v Watford was the FA cup final then Villa though.
Yes this is where I am too
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Or throw-in, even.
Seriously, you choose whether or not to support a football team, and you choose which one (well, you sort of do). You don't choose where you happen to be born and, personally (and certainly since Brexit), I choose to identify more as European (or British) than I do as English. Hence, I have pretty much little or no affiliation towards the England football team.
And don't get me started on Little, Mortimer, Morley, Cowans, Shaw, Withe and Grealish.
Edit: So Villa, obviously!
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Obviously Villa. Different circs, might be different (i.e. if Villa were an established Champions League club I'd worry less about their long-term league position etc, but as things are England is a bit of fun and Villa is life or death).
Also I'd get a great party if Italy win so that's a compensation.
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Villa
Was our last win at Watford that night game when Mark Mark Mark Delaney scored?
22 years of hurt.
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Villa > England
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Villa, but I’d still like to see England win.
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Villa Win. I really want us to have a great start like last season but kick on from there and maintain it.
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Villa, but I’d still like to see England win.
Agreed.
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Villa
Was our last win at Watford that night game when Mark Mark Mark Delaney scored?
22 years of hurt.
I like it.
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Aston Villa no contest!
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Villa every time.
However if you said England win on Sunday and we draw instead of win at Watford and as a consequence only win the league by 10 points instead of 12 I might consider it.
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We live with the pain and anger of a Villa loss for a lot longer than one for England even if it happens in major final.
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Villa. Couldn't care less about England.
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Villa first. Sadly England have let me down far more times that even Villa!
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Villa
Was our last win at Watford that night game when Mark Mark Mark Delaney scored?
22 years of hurt.
We're doing the league and cup double next season.
125 years of hurt.
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Someone said to me they'd rather see Villa win the FA Cup than England win a tournament. I replied that I'd rather see Villa win a game than England win a tournament
I'd rather see Villa win a corner.
I don't think I've heard your opinion of England's performances so far Dave, would be interested to hear it. Have they done better than you expected?
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Villa every time, like some of our greatest players we are not all English.
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England are whole lot easier to be in love with these days, as are The Villa.
Those that follow either or both, rain or shine, deserve every single current ray of sunshine.
Enjoy!
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I remember when Southgate missed that pen years ago , for days I was as flat as the norfolk countryside but last night I had no excitement , I just couldnt get on the vibe of my mates who most have just on the bandwagon . Yet when Villa came up thru that play off fnal . the claret n blue tears poured out , I actually went the loo so my GF couldnt see the tears .
I normally kiss every one in the room wwhen villa score including the TV and normally hit my toe on the coffee table , then I pour sweat while we try and hang on and shake like a rampant rabbit but when England scored the Pen last night , I didnt flinched .
So you can guess Villa by a million times.
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Villa first and foremost and always will be but I do have my national pride however much it's valued these days.
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I watched the video of our players coming back to training before the match, and that excited me more in all honesty.
I want England to do well, but it doesn't come close to what I feel for the Villa.
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Villa. Someone yesterday on TV was saying that hey find it unbearable watching England in tournaments and will take the dog for a walk for a few hours while the game is on. That’s me with the Villa, or was when we were languishing near the bottom. I’m over that now but my heart does beat faster when Villa play. England, I want to see do well. I like to see them perform to a standard I think they are collectively capable of. They frustrate massively with their constant underachievement. I don’t lose any sleep over them though.
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Villa . I think that’s why I’m struggling with this England thing , I’m viewing everything through a Villa prism and it’s ruining it for me .
I’m going to try and get in the mood for the final but I know as soon as I see the team sheet I’ll be full of apathy again .
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Villa. Not even close.
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Villa
I've no interest in England, other than anything that relates to Villa.
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Who cares?
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Villa always and forever but this is mot a good question. The two matches are not comparable. One is an international final of tournament that comes around every 4 years the other is an ordinary league game with 37 more to come.
So on this case England.
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Villa, by a margin I'd never have imagined possible in even fairly recent times. Unless Grealish plays, right here and now I couldn't give a toss about Sunday. I'll probably watch it as I've enjoyed this Italy side.
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I only support the villa players in an england team. No villa and I support the opposition, whoever they are.
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Villa always and forever but this is mot a good question. The two matches are not comparable. One is an international final of tournament that comes around every 4 years the other is an ordinary league game with 37 more to come.
So on this case England.
This was my thought.
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Villa . I think that’s why I’m struggling with this England thing , I’m viewing everything through a Villa prism and it’s ruining it for me .
I’m going to try and get in the mood for the final but I know as soon as I see the team sheet I’ll be full of apathy again .
That’s me too.
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Villa
Was our last win at Watford that night game when Mark Mark Mark Delaney scored?
22 years of hurt.
I like it.
Gareth was in that Villa team so I'm sure he'd understand.
Pretty sure in his post-match interview, Gregory said he had been shouting abuse at Delaney in the dressing room at half-time. "He must have seen my face on that ball, cos I've never seen him leather it so hard" was the gist of his comment. The (Villa) shit that your memory retains......I think that answers the question.
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VTID
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Tried explaining this to the other half last night when she asked why I wasn't getting excited about them winning. Told her that the Walsall game in 2 weeks was "the big one". I used to be into watching England as a kid but the Rooney, Gerrard, Cole, Ferdinand, Lampard (but definitely not John Terry who I've always admired both as a player and a person) era put me right off, as I couldn't get behind a bunch of characters who I usually wanted to see get absolutely trounced.
They're a likeable bunch now though and though I think Southgate is winging it as a manager you have to applaud them for continuing to take the knee. Really happy for them to win it but I won't exactly be in tears if Italy win on Sunday, though I'd be chuffed for Grealish and Mings.
As many others have said though I would honestly sooner see the Villa win a goal-kick, corner, etc. than England win any match.
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Villa.
As with every other England game/tournament I am only really interested enough to see how the Villa boys get on, and hope and pray that they don't get injured.
As with all of the Ingerlund Euros/World Cup hype I am always amazed at how people who have never showed any interest in football generally jump on the bandwagon...my partner's family all swear blind they are "massive" Blose fans but as far as I know none of them (except for one in-law) has ever been to a game. Yet they posted pics on WhatsApp of the whole family at their open house Ingerlund party, including grandkids, in England shirts, singing 3 Lions and saying what an amazing experience it was. They clearly think the whole emotional feeling of hope, commitment to a team, living the highs and lows of a game and a season and celebrating with fellow fans when successful, is unique to the national team doing well. None of them has ever volunteered a comment about football in the 40 years I have known most of them.
They know nothing!
Except that Ingerlund is the best and will smash those pesky Italians in the final.
UTV!
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Villa in the league, England/ROI for internationals. I can take my claret and blue specs off for international football and try to enjoy it for what it is.
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Villa. When Villa score I go crazy. I don't get that buzz when England score. You get all the part timer supporters pop up during tournaments when they don't mention football at all the rest of the year and you are suddenly lumped into following England with all the supporters of other teams that you usually can't stand, a lot of whom are the arrogant glory hunters who are as arrogant as hell. Watching Mancs and Cockneys cheering on Jack when the other nine months of the year they.will boo the he'll out of him is really grating, especially when you get the "he's too good for you, we'll have him brigade." I never used to feel like this but I have grown increasingly disenchanted with modern football -Villa aside - and international football kind of is the prime example, especially the commercial side of it eg wearing away kits frequently at Wembley or ditching the blue shorts as we have done most most the tournament.
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Plus the whole "let's charge you go get into our pub and watch it" because there's this whole social pressure to have to watch it at a pub surrounded by lots of others. A lot of my mates have spent literally hours trying to book pubs in the last few weeks and some of them you end up a million miles from the telly. Where's the fun in that.
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Tried explaining this to the other half last night when she asked why I wasn't getting excited about them winning. Told her that the Walsall game in 2 weeks was "the big one". I used to be into watching England as a kid but the Rooney, Gerrard, Cole, Ferdinand, Lampard (but definitely not John Terry who I've always admired both as a player and a person) era put me right off, as I couldn't get behind a bunch of characters who I usually wanted to see get absolutely trounced.
They're a likeable bunch now though and though I think Southgate is winging it as a manager you have to applaud them for continuing to take the knee. Really happy for them to win it but I won't exactly be in tears if Italy win on Sunday, though I'd be chuffed for Grealish and Mings.
As many others have said though I would honestly sooner see the Villa win a goal-kick, corner, etc. than England win any match.
Exactly the same for me. South Africa, 2010, players slagging off fans who’d spent £5k to be there. Up until that point, I’d been hugely into watching England and been to plenty of games.
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The Villa every time. When they lose it's personal. For most of my life, when England lose it's been a resigned shrug or disappointment in the case of Italia '90 or Euro '96. When England lost to Iceland I laughed.
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I’m England by birth I’m Villa by choice Villa win every time
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Villa every time - I regularly say I don’t like football, I just love The Villa.
To me, internationals always just feel like a massive distraction. It was telling that I couldn’t have cared less about how it went last night but I have watched that clip of Emi winding the Ecuador players up and pulling off saves about a million times.
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Villa. Golf. England. And I don't like golf.
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I'd much rather see Villa win something and I'm much less interested in England than I was even a few years ago. But would I take England winning a mjor trophy for the first time in my lifetime over Villa winning one game in a 38 match season? Yeah, I would.
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Villa is huge for me. I watch every single game. Even if we played Kiddy Harriers in a friendly, I'd be there or watching anyway I can.
England, not as big - all the qualifiers etc I just can't be arsed to watch.
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As a tournament goes on the less I care as can’t stand all the fake football admirers
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As a tournament goes on the less I care as can’t stand all the fake football admirers
You might want to try tolerating them, their not insignicant numbers at Villa Park are about to multiply.
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I only support the villa players in an england team. No villa and I support the opposition, whoever they are.
Seconded
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Villa. I love international football as entertainment and tournaments are almost always enhanced when England go out or don't qualify.
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Club over country everytime without question.
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Villa first England second
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Not even close, the Villa every time.Zero interest in England.
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I normally put Villa over England every time, but sorry had to go with England winning a trophy. If the Villa v Watford was the FA cup final then Villa though.
This 100%
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Aston Villa Football Club by about a million percent.
I have a love hate relationship with England, this bunch are pretty likeable compared to the twats of the ‘golden (lol) generation’. I want them to win, but get frustrated at the cautious pragmatism.
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I have enjoyed following England because they seem a tight unit which has paid dividends and put the team on the edge of legendary status but there is simply no comparison.
Villa by a mile.
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Is the Watford game a league game or FA Cup Final? If it’s just a league game and the England game is the Euro Final, then it has to be England just for one game…if it’s the FA Cup Final then Villa all the way obviously!
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Aston Villa will always come first always and forever.
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International football is just a nice distraction until the proper football starts again
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Villa.
I try to get into England but if I’m honest with myself I’m faking it. Some of the players seem likeable though.
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I can’t believe the question has been posed 😄
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I can’t believe some of the answers on here.
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💙💜
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Villa for me too. I was a bit more England barmy when I was younger but now, if they win then great. If they don't, then they don't.
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Villa all the way, every time…generally Anyone But England
BUT…
If England winning shows Jack he doesn’t ever have to leave in order to win things in his career, then I would swallow that particular shite flavoured pill for the greater good.
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Gloucestershire beating Middlesex yesterday is way more important that England winning at football
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When Jack signs his new contract it would be my dream to see the Villa 1st team play England in a friendly.
Just to show them how it's done with Jack pulling the strings from start to finish.
Impact sub..............my arse.
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Wrong thread
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Of course Villa. Us winning a trophy would eclipse anything England do. But they are not mutually exclusive. England winning on Sunday would mean so much to so many people, myself included.
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I can’t believe the question has been posed 😄
Its a bestest fan competition.
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Villa every time, but I am surprised at how many H & Vs are anti England, when the cricket and rugby World Cups took place in 2019, from I can remember everyone was pretty much 100% behind those teams.
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Someone said to me they'd rather see Villa win the FA Cup than England win a tournament. I replied that I'd rather see Villa win a game than England win a tournament
I'd take Villa winning a free kick over England winning anything.
It's Villa, Villa Reserves, Villa Youth, Villa Women and the England (but only if they have Villa players in the team).
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Villa every time, but I am surprised at how many H & Vs are anti England, when the cricket and rugby World Cups took place in 2019, from I can remember everyone was pretty much 100% behind those teams.
I don't think many people support County Cricket to any great extent, (including me) so for the average cricket fan, England cricket is about as far their interest goes, and the team isn't full of people from teams they dislike as a result. Same with rugby mostly.
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Villa every time, but I am surprised at how many H & Vs are anti England, when the cricket and rugby World Cups took place in 2019, from I can remember everyone was pretty much 100% behind those teams.
I don't think many people support County Cricket to any great extent, (including me) so for the average cricket fan, England cricket is about as far their interest goes, and the team isn't full of people from teams they dislike as a result. Same with rugby mostly.
I wouldn’t call it “anti England” just “not bothered about England” or “I’m not English” or “not interested in International football” or a myriad of other reasons. Each to their own.
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I want to love England the way I used to when I was younger. I still get a sense of joy and pride when I see the name, the fixture, the flag, our anthem, etc. I think maybe I'm disenfranchised after years of seeing players who didn't seem to particularly care, other than seeing an International call up as a way to increase their value. Also, years of seeing Villa players being disregarded by England. I do wonder if songs like 3 Lions and World In Motion are so popular still because they link back to an era where more of us strongly believed in the England team?
I suppose you could argue that Villa have let us down far more than England ever have, but Villa is us. We live that all day every day, regardless of how the team play. It's not something I can turn off, whereas England I can and do.
It's a tough one for me. I would love England to win the Euros, but I know I love Villa way more than I do the England team. I could just about take a draw against Watford for England to win the Euros but I feel sick typing it. A trophy for Villa would be worth a hundred times a trophy for England.
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I want to love England the way I used to when I was younger. I still get a sense of joy and pride when I see the name, the fixture, the flag, our anthem, etc. I think maybe I'm disenfranchised after years of seeing players who didn't seem to particularly care, other than seeing an International call up as a way to increase their value. Also, years of seeing Villa players being disregarded by England. I do wonder if songs like 3 Lions and World In Motion are so popular still because they link back to an era where more of us strongly believed in the England team?
I suppose you could argue that Villa have let us down far more than England ever have, but Villa is us. We live that all day every day, regardless of how the team play. It's not something I can turn off, whereas England I can and do.
It's a tough one for me. I would love England to win the Euros, but I know I love Villa way more than I do the England team. I could just about take a draw against Watford for England to win the Euros but I feel sick typing it. A trophy for Villa would be worth a hundred times a trophy for England.
Good post, mate. I'm at about where you are, basically. That first paragraph certainly resonates. I've never been one for the flag, anthem etc-just because they're both drab and uninspiring. But I loved going abroad to watch England, particularly Euro 2004 and World Cup 2006, and met loads of nice people. Also saw loads of dickheads, but have met plenty of them living abroad, and watching football in said countries, too.
Living in places like Italy, Poland, Hungary, Korea, China and now Japan, I've had more than my fill of nationalist bullshit, I can tell you! :) It's certainly not just an English problem. The Japanese have been utter wankers at times about the Olympics and how superior they are to other nations/foreigners are to blame for coronavirus in the country/ruining their giant Japanese sports day etc etc.
England to beat Italy or Villa to beat Watford? Hmmm, if Jack plays, England on this one occasion.
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Its Villa first, Villa second, Villa last
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Villa of course. I can get excited about England, but it doesn’t MATTER like Villa matters.
The only way I would feel gutted for the following week if England lose this would be if Jack or Tyrone did what Southgate & Vassell have done. I’m not spelling that out anymore than that, its my nightmare.
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I was speaking to my brother about this the other day. He's even more apathetic towards England than I am, but there definitely was a time, when we were younger, when we both really got behind England (mainly in the 90's). Never as much as Villa, but it was still a big deal to us.
I did wonder whether it's a Villa thing. I get the impression that supporting a club of our size doesn't really lend itself to supporting England. I understand why fans of Man U, Liverpool etc get excited about England - they see their teams win a lot of the time and it loses some of the meaning after a while. Supporting England, with the 55 years of hurt etc etc, maybe makes them feel a bit more like a regular fan - the disappointment, the yearning for better. I don't know. Plus, a lot of those fans don't get to go to matches, so watching England with their mates in the pub is a rare occasion to get that feeling that so many of us get from going to the game.
On the other hand, you have fans of lower league clubs, who will likely never see their team win a major trophy. England give them a chance to get passionate about football at a high level.
Villa fall into the middle here. Most Villa fans have seen us win a trophy, and some have seen us win the really big ones. However, it doesn't happen anywhere near enough to lessen the impact - seeing Villa win something is everything to so many of us.
When you add in the fact that England and Villa players has rarely ended well, whether it's ignoring our greatest ever team, players getting in the England squad and almost immediately looking for a transfer or the penalty misses - I don't think it's surprising that so many of us could take or leave England matches.
I'm finding myself trying to get behind this team, I really am. I'm going to take my 4 year-old to watch the match with some friends on Sunday because I want him to have a story to tell about this in years to come. I really hope England win.
But I'm more excited about watching Villa in a friendly than I am about this game.
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I think it's the excitement, or rather lack of it, that's done me in. As it stands, in two years' time, what would be your takeaway memory of England in this tournament? Where's your Platt roundhouse, Gascoigne flick-over and volley, even your Sheringham lay-off?
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I think it's the excitement, or rather lack of it, that's done me in. As it stands, in two years' time, what would be your takeaway memory of England in this tournament? Where's your Platt roundhouse, Gascoigne flick-over and volley, even your Sheringham lay-off?
We'll have our answer to that on Sunday.
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Definitely Villa over England.
If Villa’s 10/10, England used to be like a 7 for me. Now it’s about a 3.
This tournament in particular I think the Jack situation hasn’t helped - is not particularly logical or mature but I’ve found myself wanting England not to score when Sterling / Mount / Foden etc are on and Jack isn’t. But it was trending down towards a 3 even before that; as an atheist and an anti-monarchist I absolutely hate the anthem, and the rise in nationalism / xenophobia / booing of anthems doesn’t exactly make you proud either.
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Regarding the FA Cup Villa, 64 years waiting, have let us down more than England, a mere 55 years waiting.
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I can’t believe the question has been posed 😄
Its a bestest fan competition.
I don't know, I'm certainly not bestier than thou. I just find it hard, as others have said, to get behind players I love to loath normally. Not as much of a problem as it used to be maybe, but it's still there. And again, I'd always support a team with a Villa player in it against one without. Most flags you see tend to be for smaller clubs, and that's definitely no coincidence.
The penalty against Denmark sums it up for me. If it was Villa getting an advantage I'd like to think I would know it wasn't fair and my player cheated, but I wouldn't really care. England do it and all I can see is Boris Fucking Johnson in his shirt showing again and again that cheats can and do prosper, on and off the pitch. I just can't let go and enjoy it.
Not clever or logical, but that's how it is for me.
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Regarding the FA Cup Villa, 64 years waiting, have let us down more than England, a mere 55 years waiting.
Villa let us down every year.
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I think the issue is that Villa play at least 38 games each season that mean something.
England clearly don't and most of the time the rules seem to change (in thinking of all the subs in friendlies). The international thing just isn't what it should be.
The choice is easy. However, I do want England to win.
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Villa always first, England are a bit “meh” especially as I have no confidence in them living up to expectations.
Villa on the other hand have always been way below expectations since I can remember - next season may change that though.
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England for me.
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Villa are a presence in every single day of my life. From being at a match, posting on here, reading news articles, watching news reports, drinking out of a Villa mug at home or at work, sitting under a Villa scalf at work, worrying about the next game, moaning about the last, bringing Villa up in any conversation about football, planning trips to games, wishing other teams to lose for rivalry or league position reasons when we're not playing and getting that tiny thrill when something non-football or Villa related is bedecked in claret and blue.
That doesn't happen as far as the national side is concerned so my natural bias is only ever going to be one way.
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I would certainly like to see England winning a trophy more than Villa winning an opening Premier League game which is just one game out of thirty eight. But I am far more emotionally invested in Villa than England. So I would take Villa winning a trophy over England winning a trophy anytime.
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I think the issue is that Villa play at least 38 games each season that mean something.
England clearly don't and most of the time the rules seem to change (in thinking of all the subs in friendlies). The international thing just isn't what it should be.
The choice is easy. However, I do want England to win.
Sorry it's a bit late, but Happy Birthday Drummond
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Villa over England ,no contest International football is fleeting .
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Always Villa for me. In recent years I’ve struggled to sleep at night stressing about the Villa and my mood has always been very much affected by results. As for England, really hope they win but if they lose I won’t get that awful feeling the day after like I do with Villa.
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I'd take the England win over a single PL game providing it wouldn't get us relegated. It's been a long time coming and I've lived through all of it. Having 2 Villa players in the squad makes it more special too. I'd like England to win it for Jack and Tyrone more than anything, more than for myself anyway. I couldn't possibly want England to lose with them in the squad. They're our lads and they haven't done anything for me to wish that upon them.
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The next time I meet a fan who wants his national side to win more than his club team will be the first time.
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Just me who couldn't sleep last night and feels like he does on the day of our Wembley trips then?
I've been teaching the noses at work the words to 'Super Jack' for weeks, today's the day.
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I eat, sleep, breathe and my principal reason for existence is to support Aston Villa. The national team and the hysteria surrounding it is a media creation. I am more interested in whether Mark Cavendish beats Eddy Merckx's record in the Tour de France than whether In gur land win today.
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Villa occupies my thoughts from when I wake up to when I go the sleep, and more.
Over years I have missed family events, planned holidays, work shifts, even skived off to be at Villa Park for a game.
I will never, ever feel the emotions that I have while watching Villa, watching a England game.
For me it’s no contest…Villa.
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If England lose there will be temporary disappointment followed by a shrug of the shoulders and off we go. If Villa lose…it’s an entire weekend or week ruined until the next game. And it will consume us in a way watching England never will.
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England today, but for 364 other days I'd sooner Villa won.
I was talking about this last night, and while I think England winning would be brilliant, lay a few ghosts to rest and generally put smiles on faces all over the nation, it doesn't feel vital to me in the way a Villa trophy would. I can't imagine getting a Euro 2021 commemorative tattoo, say, but could easily be persuaded to get a Villa FA Cup one. Millions of people will witness a joyful event if England win, and it'll be a JFK moment, but it'd be thousands only who care about a Villa trophy and that means a whole lot more to me somehow.
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I eat, sleep, breathe and my principal reason for existence is to support Aston Villa. The national team and the hysteria surrounding it is a media creation. I am more interested in whether Mark Cavendish beats Eddy Merckx's record in the Tour de France than whether In gur land win today.
Amazing achievement if he does after all he's been they last few years.
I've had to turn the TV off. Sick of the England hype already. Win shrug. Lose shrug. Unless Jack gets the winner.
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I eat, sleep, breathe and my principal reason for existence is to support Aston Villa. The national team and the hysteria surrounding it is a media creation. I am more interested in whether Mark Cavendish beats Eddy Merckx's record in the Tour de France than whether In gur land win today.
Amazing achievement if he does after all he's been they last few years.
I've had to turn the TV off. Sick of the England hype already. Win shrug. Lose shrug. Unless Jack gets the winner.
Enforced jollity. Like being told to smile at work because it's Christmas.
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I eat, sleep, breathe and my principal reason for existence is to support Aston Villa. The national team and the hysteria surrounding it is a media creation. I am more interested in whether Mark Cavendish beats Eddy Merckx's record in the Tour de France than whether In gur land win today.
Amazing achievement if he does after all he's been they last few years.
I've had to turn the TV off. Sick of the England hype already. Win shrug. Lose shrug. Unless Jack gets the winner.
Enforced jollity. Like being told to smile at work because it's Christmas.
:)
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Probably the most pointless thread on here, ever.
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Put it this way villa losing to Fulham in the playoffs a lot harder to take
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Put it this way villa losing to Fulham in the playoffs a lot harder to take
That’s a good point.
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But thank God we did. Best defeat in the club's history and even though it didn't feel like it at the time, losing was the best result.
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We might be saying the same thing this time next year when we win the WC having knocked out Italy on penalties to win it.
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Villa.
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But thank God we did. Best defeat in the club's history and even though it didn't feel like it at the time, losing was the best result.
I'd say the same about this final if Southgate got the boot.
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Put it this way villa losing to Fulham in the playoffs a lot harder to take
This all day long.
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If England lose I just shrug my shoulders. If villa lose I throw things about.
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I was annoyed for about 2 minutes last night. I was annoyed for about 2 months after we lost that League Cup semi final to Bradford in 2013, in fact it still pisses me off now.
Villa first, always.
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I'm still annoyed that Vidic wasn't sent off.
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I'm still annoyed about the West Ham penalty in the FA Cup in 1980......
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I'm still annoyed by Doug.
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I'm still annoyed by Doug.
He’s still ruining the occasional day for me from beyond the grave. You should see the state of the pallets we get back from his brewery.
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Where ever England play theres always Villa flag.
Out all the Midlands clubs our supporters have the most representation on the England scene.
Blues dont follow England as the zulus wont like it.
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Blues dont follow England as the zulus wont like it.
Ummm…. Yes they do.
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They don't due to politics down the sty.
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They don't due to politics down the sty.
Half of the mates I follow England with are blose fans.
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They don't due to politics down the sty.
Half of the mates I follow England with are blose fans.
they must keep it very hush hush down the Sty.
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They don't due to politics down the sty.
Half of the mates I follow England with are blose fans.
they must keep it very hush hush down the Sty.
The de facto leader is one of my best mates. He’s mixed race, did about 20 years in the British army and is England mad. His politics are quite extraordinary for a person of colour and he doesn’t keep them hush hush for anybody. Loads of them go to England games and everybody down there knows it. There was virtually a riot between Blues and Villa at an away game v Scotland after which another of my Zulu mates did 12 months in a Scottish prison. I can assure you that everyone down there knew about it and he faced no bad feelings or censure from any of them.
They still tolerate Naughty Norman, who once stood as a National Front candidate for Hodge Hill. It may even have been more than once.
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They don't due to politics down the sty.
Half of the mates I follow England with are blose fans.
they must keep it very hush hush down the Sty.
The de facto leader is one of my best mates. He’s mixed race, did about 20 years in the British army and is England mad. His politics are quite extraordinary for a person of colour and he doesn’t keep them hush hush for anybody. Loads of them go to England games and everybody down there knows it. There was virtually a riot between Blues and Villa at an away game v Scotland after which another of my Zulu mates did 12 months in a Scottish prison. I can assure you that everyone down there knew about it and he faced no bad feelings or censure from any of them.
They still tolerate Naughty Norman, who once stood as a National Front candidate for Hodge Hill. It may even have been more than once.
One thing I've wondered: do hooligans put aside club allegiances when on England 'duty'? Or would thugs of Villa/SHA, West Ham/Millwall, Liverpool/Everton still be, erm, upset about each other being there?
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They don't due to politics down the sty.
Half of the mates I follow England with are blose fans.
they must keep it very hush hush down the Sty.
The de facto leader is one of my best mates. He’s mixed race, did about 20 years in the British army and is England mad. His politics are quite extraordinary for a person of colour and he doesn’t keep them hush hush for anybody. Loads of them go to England games and everybody down there knows it. There was virtually a riot between Blues and Villa at an away game v Scotland after which another of my Zulu mates did 12 months in a Scottish prison. I can assure you that everyone down there knew about it and he faced no bad feelings or censure from any of them.
They still tolerate Naughty Norman, who once stood as a National Front candidate for Hodge Hill. It may even have been more than once.
One thing I've wondered: do hooligans put aside club allegiances when on England 'duty'? Or would thugs of Villa/SHA, West Ham/Millwall, Liverpool/Everton still be, erm, upset about each other being there?
Between Villa and Blues there is hostility but it rarely results in violence unless there is some spark that sets it off. Although there was once a heated confrontation when the two firms found themselves on the same flight to Bulgaria or Romania, I can’t mind which. And sometimes friendships develop; relations between Villa and Sunderland are very cordial. There was a time when Villa were unpopular on that scene as they were one of the best firms and known for throwing their weight around quite a bit.
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Interesting, thanks Percy.
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Mad coincidence incoming when I get home from Asda.
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Mad coincidence incoming when I get home from Asda.
Did you see Jack in there ?
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I was annoyed for about 2 minutes last night. I was annoyed for about 2 months after we lost that League Cup semi final to Bradford in 2013, in fact it still pisses me off now.
Villa first, always.
The League Cup in 2013 and the FA Cup in 1992 should really be in our list of honours. They woz there for the taking.
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Mad coincidence incoming when I get home from Asda.
Did you see Jack in there ?
Haha, no. Related to this exchange.
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Right, I’ve steeled myself for a ‘that never happened’ response.
I’d just posted my reply to Rory when who should I bump into but my old friend Glenroy George, older brother of Apex to Zulu author David. Glenroy is a veteran of late seventies Holte End incursions by Chelmsley Blues firm the Trooper mob, the riot I was on about in Scotland, and several England tournaments abroad. He read the last few posts and was completely incredulous. In fact, he was so animated about the theory of Blues fans not supporting England I said ‘steady on’ as we walked into the shop. He’s just got back today from Belfast, where he went with the first guy I mentioned above, to watch the England game with Loyalist friends of theirs.
Small world innit?
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Fucking hell, Percy. You don't half walk the walk.
If I ran into somebody who told me that they'd just got back from Belfast after watching England with their loyalist friends I wouldn't be showing them my phone, I'd be showing them a clean pair of heels!
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Right, I’ve steeled myself for a ‘that never happened’ response.
I’d just posted my reply to Rory when who should I bump into but my old friend Glenroy George, older brother of Apex to Zulu author David. Glenroy is a veteran of late seventies Holte End incursions by Chelmsley Blues firm the Trooper mob, the riot I was on about in Scotland, and several England tournaments abroad. He read the last few posts and was completely incredulous. In fact, he was so animated about the theory of Blues fans not supporting England I said ‘steady on’ as we walked into the shop. He’s just got back today from Belfast, where he went with the first guy I mentioned above, to watch the England game with Loyalist friends of theirs.
Small world innit?
So he was reading H&V in pretty much real time? Has he got alerts set up or something?
And I'm not worried about his UVF connections, I've got the 'ra on standby
(BV, you've still got my back, yeah?)
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If I ran into somebody who told me that they'd just got back from Belfast after watching England with their loyalist friends I wouldn't be showing them my phone, I'd be showing them a clean pair of heels!
Or that photo of Bobby Sands you keep in your wallet, Paddy?
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If I ran into somebody who told me that they'd just got back from Belfast after watching England with their loyalist friends I wouldn't be showing them my phone, I'd be showing them a clean pair of heels!
Or that photo of Bobby Sands you keep in your wallet, Paddy?
I hate Rangers, and the club formerly known as Rangers, more than I hate Blues, Albion, Man Utd, Liverpool, Hearts and Bayern Munich combined. However the funniest football chant I've ever been told about, by a non-rabid Rangers fan, was sung during the hunger strikes in one of their Old Firm games. Obviously to the tune of I'd Rather be a Hammer than a Nail: "do you want a chicken supper, Bobby Sands?"
I cling to that as evidence that I'm above sectarianism.
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Right, I’ve steeled myself for a ‘that never happened’ response.
I’d just posted my reply to Rory when who should I bump into but my old friend Glenroy George, older brother of Apex to Zulu author David. Glenroy is a veteran of late seventies Holte End incursions by Chelmsley Blues firm the Trooper mob, the riot I was on about in Scotland, and several England tournaments abroad. He read the last few posts and was completely incredulous. In fact, he was so animated about the theory of Blues fans not supporting England I said ‘steady on’ as we walked into the shop. He’s just got back today from Belfast, where he went with the first guy I mentioned above, to watch the England game with Loyalist friends of theirs.
Small world innit?
So he was reading H&V in pretty much real time? Has he got alerts set up or something?
And I'm not worried about his UVF connections, I've got the 'ra on standby
(BV, you've still got my back, yeah?)
He was reading it on my phone.
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If I ran into somebody who told me that they'd just got back from Belfast after watching England with their loyalist friends I wouldn't be showing them my phone, I'd be showing them a clean pair of heels!
Or that photo of Bobby Sands you keep in your wallet, Paddy?
I hate Rangers, and the club formerly known as Rangers, more than I hate Blues, Albion, Man Utd, Liverpool, Hearts and Bayern Munich combined. However the funniest football chant I've ever been told about, by a non-rabid Rangers fan, was sung during the hunger strikes in one of their Old Firm games. Obviously to the tune of I'd Rather be a Hammer than a Nail: "do you want a chicken supper, Bobby Sands?"
I cling to that as evidence that I'm above sectarianism.
Aye, it's a good chant.
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Right, I’ve steeled myself for a ‘that never happened’ response.
I’d just posted my reply to Rory when who should I bump into but my old friend Glenroy George, older brother of Apex to Zulu author David. Glenroy is a veteran of late seventies Holte End incursions by Chelmsley Blues firm the Trooper mob, the riot I was on about in Scotland, and several England tournaments abroad. He read the last few posts and was completely incredulous. In fact, he was so animated about the theory of Blues fans not supporting England I said ‘steady on’ as we walked into the shop. He’s just got back today from Belfast, where he went with the first guy I mentioned above, to watch the England game with Loyalist friends of theirs.
Small world innit?
So he was reading H&V in pretty much real time? Has he got alerts set up or something?
And I'm not worried about his UVF connections, I've got the 'ra on standby
(BV, you've still got my back, yeah?)
He was reading it on my phone.
Ah okay. Well, it was a ridiculous claim, but not a serious one. The guy's a troll.
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If I ran into somebody who told me that they'd just got back from Belfast after watching England with their loyalist friends I wouldn't be showing them my phone, I'd be showing them a clean pair of heels!
Or that photo of Bobby Sands you keep in your wallet, Paddy?
I hate Rangers, and the club formerly known as Rangers, more than I hate Blues, Albion, Man Utd, Liverpool, Hearts and Bayern Munich combined. However the funniest football chant I've ever been told about, by a non-rabid Rangers fan, was sung during the hunger strikes in one of their Old Firm games. Obviously to the tune of I'd Rather be a Hammer than a Nail: "do you want a chicken supper, Bobby Sands?"
I cling to that as evidence that I'm above sectarianism.
Aye, it's a good chant.
And the Celtic fans very loudly chant ‘MP!’ after each mention of his name.
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Wasn't he a Villa fan?
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Fucking hell, Percy. You don't half walk the walk.
If I ran into somebody who told me that they'd just got back from Belfast after watching England with their loyalist friends I wouldn't be showing them my phone, I'd be showing them a clean pair of heels!
I’ve known them 40/50 years and been in situations where one word from them could have got me battered, but it’s never happened. They’re not gonna start beating me up outside Asda.
Funnily enough, I had to trust Glenroy with my wife’s brand new bike a couple of months ago. I rode to Asda on it and forgot to take the lock with me. The security bloke on the door wouldn’t look after it, he said kids have been known to cause a distraction while their mates nick the bike he’s supposed to be looking after. As luck would have it, Glenroy was entering the shop and he stood there with it whilst I picked up a few bits. As I walked round I worried that it would be considered excellent ‘bantz’ if he’d rode off with it himself but when I finished shopping he was still there next to the security guard, good as gold, looking after the bike.
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Wasn't he a Villa fan?
He was. Quite a diverse firm, our famous fans.
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If I ran into somebody who told me that they'd just got back from Belfast after watching England with their loyalist friends I wouldn't be showing them my phone, I'd be showing them a clean pair of heels!
Or that photo of Bobby Sands you keep in your wallet, Paddy?
I hate Rangers, and the club formerly known as Rangers, more than I hate Blues, Albion, Man Utd, Liverpool, Hearts and Bayern Munich combined. However the funniest football chant I've ever been told about, by a non-rabid Rangers fan, was sung during the hunger strikes in one of their Old Firm games. Obviously to the tune of I'd Rather be a Hammer than a Nail: "do you want a chicken supper, Bobby Sands?"
I cling to that as evidence that I'm above sectarianism.
Aye, it's a good chant.
And the Celtic fans very loudly chant ‘MP!’ after each mention of his name.
Further to this, Celtic fans have an almost Beowulfesque epic chant to the same tune.
They’ll be jumping out the windows when we win,
They’ll be jumping out the windows when we win,
They’ll be jumping out the windows
Jumping out the windows,
Jumping out the windows when we win.
And I hope it’s forty storeys when they jump,
I hope it’s forty storeys when they jump,
And I hope it’s forty storeys,
Hope it’s forty storeys,
Hope it’s forty storeys when they jump.
And I hope it’s spiky railings when they land
I hope it’s spiky railings when they land,
I hope it’s spiky railings,
GREEN spiky railings,
I hope it’s spiky railings when they land.
Singing I’m no a Billy I’m a Tim (THANK FUCK)
I’m no a Billy I’m a Tim (THANK FUCK)
Singing I’m no a Billy,
I’m not so fucking silly,
I’m no a Billy I’m a Tim - THANK FUCK!
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My favourite bit of that is that they hope they land on GREEN spiky railings
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My favourite bit of that is that they hope they land on GREEN spiky railings
Mine too.