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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on February 03, 2021, 07:15:58 PM
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The return of AEG
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Huge team re-shuffle.
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Let's see if El Ghazi can now put a shift in. It will be no game for shirkers.
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Jesus Christ a change!
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Subtle tweak and could work out well. Traore will not be happy so hopefully shows the boss he was wrong.
Slowly the bench is looking stronger across all areas othe than striker
Come on you villa boys.
Get into them and fuck them OFF ;)
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Happy with that.
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FTFKSB
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Subtle tweak and could work out well. Traore will not be happy so hopefully shows the boss he was wrong.
Slowly the bench is looking stronger across all areas othe than striker
Come on you villa boys.
Get into them and fuck them OFF ;)
As I remember it was Fuck em off, Get into them in that order
Twas on right side anyways
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I wonder how long Wes will be out... hasn't he been training 1st team more than a month?
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Only one change then? Traore rested and will be a great option off the the bench. AEG was on fire for a while so would be great if he can pick up where he left off. Looking forward to watching the Jack & Ross roadshow which for my money is as good as anything out there. C'mon Villa fuck em up!!
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Didn't expect a change, come on Villa get into em and fuck em up.
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Didn't expect a change, come on Villa get into em and fuck em up.
Is the correct version of that little ditty.
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Lingard starts for them, hopefully he is a bit rusty and not match fit.
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Hope someone takes care of Fredericks.
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Win please Villa.
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Up.
Up the Villa.
Fuck em up.
It’s all up.
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Lingard starts for them, hopefully he is a bit rusty and not match fit.
That’s torn it.
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I think this is a good change. AEG purely on form would not have been dropped but for Covid. Let’s hope he is now fit and ready to go. Traore has done very well in my opinion but at times we looked gassed. He’s not going to run all day and so for him to be most effective we need to use him according to his greatest strengths. And this is precisely why we have a squad. I want to see SJM and Barkley and even Jack get rested on occasion. We want every player to operate at peak performance and in order to do that we need to have strength in-depth in all positions. We are getting there slowly.
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Huge team re-shuffle.
Tinkerman Smith :)
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Lingard starts for them, hopefully he is a bit rusty and not match fit.
Also that twat Fredericks (see Fulham playoff final for details), normally a full-back, is playing instead of Bowen. Which one assumes is good. Certainly makes them more defensive.
Maybe someone can return the favour from 2018.
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Reminder to management, subs can be used at any point, not just injury time. Anyway, target Lingard as he'll be miles off the pace.
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I think Jack was seen on camera giving Frederick's a round of fcuks in either the corresponding game or last season (or maybe both!).
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Lingard starts for them, hopefully he is a bit rusty and not match fit.
Also that twat Fredericks (see Fulham playoff final for details), normally a full-back, is playing instead of Bowen. Which one assumes is good. Certainly makes them more defensive.
Maybe someone can return the favour from 2018.
That’s what I meant. Just preferred a Mod to say it so clearly ! My concern is that he rarely plays so probably has only one job tonight and it’s similar to that game. Hopefully Jack and the rest of them are smart enough to allow Jack to drag him all over the pitch and create space for others.
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Teams are setting up in a very similar way. I think man-for-man we're better than them in most positions though. They've got some dangerous players in the front four that we'll need to watch.
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Come on you Villa Boys! Let's be having the sausage rolls and kick these Brad Pitt Squealers off the facking light and dark.
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Any other Mac users having problems with BT Sport?
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Last three home games have been a clean sheet. Lets see a typical Martinez & Co. mean machine performance at the back.
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Any other Mac users having problems with BT Sport?
It's not even raining here.
Seriously, try the chicken. Here all week.
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Get into them and fuck them OFF!!
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Glad to see AEG in from the start.
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Scores gone against us tonight. A win please villa.
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Subtle tweak and could work out well. Traore will not be happy so hopefully shows the boss he was wrong.
Slowly the bench is looking stronger across all areas othe than striker
Come on you villa boys.
Get into them and fuck them OFF ;)
As I remember it was Fuck em off, Get into them in that order
Twas on right side anyways
Shit on the right side, shit on the right side Tonight! The left side, The left side! Get into ‘em, Fuck ‘em Up, get into ‘em, fuck ‘em up!
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Subtle tweak and could work out well. Traore will not be happy so hopefully shows the boss he was wrong.
Slowly the bench is looking stronger across all areas othe than striker
Come on you villa boys.
Get into them and fuck them OFF ;)
As I remember it was Fuck em off, Get into them in that order
Twas on right side anyways
Shit on the right side, shit on the right side Tonight! The left side, The left side! Get into ‘em, Fuck ‘em Up, get into ‘em, fuck ‘em up!
Those were the days!
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Moyes has said Jack's the best player in the Prem, he's good judge.
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It tickles me. To all the pundits now, he’s not Jack Grealish or Grealish.
He’s just Jack.
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According to the pundits West Ham are doubling up on Jack. Blimey it sounds like they're shit scared of him
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Sidwell- "come on Villa!"
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That’s nice, good luck Steve.
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Any other Mac users having problems with BT Sport?
Not a mac user but they definitely had a blip on their servers, seems fine again now.
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Sidwell- "come on Villa!"
Yeah he's proper showing bias towards us. West Ham fans will be pelting their tellys with jellied eels.
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Come on me babbies! Fuck em up!
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Subtle tweak and could work out well. Traore will not be happy so hopefully shows the boss he was wrong.
Slowly the bench is looking stronger across all areas othe than striker
Come on you villa boys.
Get into them and fuck them OFF ;)
As I remember it was Fuck em off, Get into them in that order
Twas on right side anyways
I see the annoying folk who always slightly mishear song lyrics are still banging on.
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Just keep it tight at first please.
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Any other Mac users having problems with BT Sport?
Not a mac user but they definitely had a blip on their servers, seems fine again now.
I had - stream kept stopping. Then I forced the latest big sur update, and touch-wood, not stopped yet tonight
Nb! Took ages.
Used Chrome until finished, which ran a little better
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West Ham have started well
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Cash down
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Cash back up again
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Worried for Cash for a minute
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We don’t want to be deprived of Cash.
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They are doubling up on Jack
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A little bit sloppy at the moment.
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I love how Martinez turns a defending situatio, into an attacking one so quickly
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Barclay did not "overcook the ball", McGinn wasn't quick enough.
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Id move Grealish right.
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Sloppy. Shit defending.
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Second best at the moment
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Christ that looked like a border line pen. We need to liven up.
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Poor mistake from Konsa there, got away with it.
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15 minute mark we tend to change pressure
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Subtle tweak and could work out well. Traore will not be happy so hopefully shows the boss he was wrong.
Slowly the bench is looking stronger across all areas othe than striker
Come on you villa boys.
Get into them and fuck them OFF ;)
As I remember it was Fuck em off, Get into them in that order
Twas on right side anyways
I see the annoying folk who always slightly mishear song lyrics are still banging on.
Big Fat Dons Claret Blue Army
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Konsa sloppy there and lucky to get away with it.
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El Ghazi so sloppy!
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West Ham much the better tean now.
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Good play under pressure from Cash.
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Konsa sloppy there and lucky to get away with it.
Is this the one from 3 mins ago, or a new one?
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Fucking hell Villa wake up.
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Come on Villa.
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Subtle tweak and could work out well. Traore will not be happy so hopefully shows the boss he was wrong.
Slowly the bench is looking stronger across all areas othe than striker
Come on you villa boys.
Get into them and fuck them OFF ;)
As I remember it was Fuck em off, Get into them in that order
Twas on right side anyways
I see the annoying folk who always slightly mishear song lyrics are still banging on.
Big Fat Dons Claret Blue Army
My daughter thought we were singing 'Alan Hutton, the Scottish buffoon'
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Jeez danger x2
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Living dangerously here.
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Ffs wake up
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Jesus, that’s 3 attempts they’ve had. Sort it out boys.
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Has the game started yet? If so someone let the lads know
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We are so tentative, all over the pitch.
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Is Dougie on the pitch?
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We're fucking rubbish so far.
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I get why we pass the ball around in our box but we need to be more accurate at it than we have been here, most of the problems we've had have been our own fault so far.
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Not started at all yet Villa. No movement when we have the ball so need to wake up
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Hammers bubble hasn’t burst yet then?
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West Ham are much the better side at the moment. Douglas and SJM need to get into the game.
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Is Dougie on the pitch?
He needs to find that Lingaard fella
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Not started at all yet Villa. No movement when we have the ball so need to wake up
To be fair Moyes has sussed us so Dean needs to earn his corn
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West Ham are very un Moyes like!! Sadly its one sided at the moment
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Our passing is slow, under hit and timid.
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Come on villa get a grip on this.
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Static and poor so far. They're working harder in the press and we're doing nothing movement wise.
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Targett's having his first iffy game of the season.
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DS pretty bored by what he's seen by looks of it.
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Worst first 20 minutes in ages.
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DS pretty bored by what he's seen by looks of it.
Unimpressed hopefully
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Lingard of all players too difficult for us to handle.
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We're way off this at the moment. Looking very sluggish.
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Does El Ghazi know what colour we're in?
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Ollie that's a miss.
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Better...
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That’s a chance Ollie.
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Poor header from Watkins
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They’re all fucking asleep.
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Good chance there, Ollie should've go it on target. Better.
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Ollie that's a miss.
Yep, good chance that, should be hitting the target.
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Way too many shit hit and hope balls. Rubbish.
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He misses too many of them for me.
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Luiz and McGinn need to get control of midfield and Jack and Anwar need to track back when we lose possession.
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WH 6 attempts to ours 1
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Few gone missing tonight El Ghazi, Dougie just not at the races so far.
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Need AEG in the game.
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Few gone missing tonight El Ghazi, Dougie just not at the races so far.
Same as v Saints Jon
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He misses too many of them for me.
Maybe, but the corner he's just won was brilliant, not many strikers in the league would get anything from that.
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Worst. Corner. Ever.
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Few gone missing tonight El Ghazi, Dougie just not at the races so far.
Doug tracked back well just now.
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Complete lack of movement from our lot
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Good block Luiz.
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Doug probably saved a goal there.
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That's better.
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Great block Dougie
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Good saving track by Douglas, but Lingard is dropping between the lines and totally losing our midfield.
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Another miss from Ollie.
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I think Luiz is playing pretty well, the issue is that we're struggling to get AEG and Barkley into the game which means the doubling up on Jack is working.
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Not started at all yet Villa. No movement when we have the ball so need to wake up
To be fair Moyes has sussed us so Dean needs to earn his corn
I was just thinking that. They're dominating the midfield which of course nullifies our threat.
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Close!
El Ghazi has been atrocious.
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He misses too many of them for me.
Maybe, but the corner he's just won was brilliant, not many strikers in the league would get anything from that.
He has loads of ace qualities and I like him a lot.
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we are lacking any real sense of urgency tonight. Far too static. Our movement off the ball is too laboured and with it too predictable. Decent move there though.
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Another miss from Ollie.
Fucking hell that’s a bit harsh.
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Unlucky Ollie.
There you go. Press them and they will make mistakes at the back. More please.
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Lingard has played 80 minutes of league football this season and he's running the show.
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Unlucky Ollie
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Watkins is such an intelligent player much of the time
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Oooo post. Good Effort
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Dropping Bertie for AEG is looking like a bad decision right now.
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Ross FFS
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Great chance that.
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You cannot be missing them Barkley
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Close!
El Ghazi has been atrocious.
Yep on both counts. El Ghazi has given the ball away pretty much every time he has had it.
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Dropping Bertie for AEG is looking like a bad decision right now.
You're alright. Dean will bring him on on 92 minutes.
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Fuck sake Ross. Useless.
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Again, gotta hit the target there, we've had the 2 best chances so far in my opinion.
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Barkley should've buried that ffs, dear me.
We're having a spell at least.
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Need AEG in the game.
I'd take him off. Contributed nothing in 30 minutes.
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Fuck's sake. Barkley has to hit the target there.
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The El ghazi gamble isn’t working is it?
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Apparently Villa and West Ham have played out twenty draws in the fixture since the start of the Premier League.
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And then Barkley gives it away in a dangerous area. He's been mostly a bit off since his injury.
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Stop fannying about at the back. For fuck's sake!
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Aeg and Barkley have done fuck all, one needs to be hooked at half time. They won't though...
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Dougie that's a bad freekick
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Konsa is not on it tonight.
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The pundit on Sky reckons we on top now....
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Stupid fouls because of stupid errors. Dougie, El Ghazi, absolutely way off the pace.
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Some bad passing out from the back.
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What the fuck are we playing at here?
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Hook El Ghazi now, fucking desperate display so far.
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Luiz needs a spell on the bench.
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AEG is very sloppy. Rest has done him.
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This is our worst half overall for a while. The good news is we can play a lot better.
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Konsa is not on it tonight.
That's the biggest problem for me, he's normally so assured but he just isn't himself tonight.
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AEG is very sloppy. Rest has done him.
Back to his pre December form
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By far and away our worst performance of the season.
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We look really poor.
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We are awful, lack of intensity.
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Come on villa let's take the game to them
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Christ they could be 4 up.
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AEG needs to be subbed at half time. Don’t think he’s done anything right so far.
Hope this is our bad half. Need to up our game across the board really.
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I'd take El Ghazi off at half time.
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They just seem more streetwise
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They’re miles the better team here, miles.
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We’re well off the pace here. Shaky all round other than Emi.
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This is the first time I’ve seen West Ham look decent most of the season.
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Dawson s*** scared of Ollie, got to keep playing it in that direction.
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They are destroying us here
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AEG has got to be brought off at half time. Soucek running the game. Dean & Craig have to sort this out at half time or we will lose this.
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Maybe a few too many games in their legs recently
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Alot of players not at their best tonight, get traore and sanson on.
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This is the first time I’ve seen West Ham look decent most of the season.
we've played our part in making them look a lot better than they actually are.
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Having 11 men would help. El Ghazi with the worst display of the season.
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El Ghazi has been dismal. We need to see Dean doing half time subs when players have been this poor.
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I'd take El Ghazi off now. He's like George Weah's second cousin
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We are not even doing the simple things right tonight
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Anwar looks off the pace. He might be one of those players who needs a few games to get into it.
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In fairness we were much the better team in the reverse tie. Maybe we're copying their tactics of playing shit but winning.. hopefully
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Feels like they have more players on the pitch than us. We're getting outnumbered in every department.
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Piss poor
Lucky to be level.
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Maybe a few too many games in their legs recently
No more than W Ham. It’s down to tactics at the moment and we need to stay in it until Dean can fix it. Might be tempted to bring Jack into 10
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Having 11 men would help. El Ghazi with the worst display of the season.
He’s having a rubbish game, but he’s far from the only one.
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Giving the ball away like the old Villa
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I am not sure about Barkley at all.
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Luiz and McGinn isn't working at the moment as the defensive two. Luiz looks off the pace and McGinn looks back to his worst unfit self.
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Fuck off El Ghazi
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Maybe see what Sanson can do after the break.
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Luiz and McGinn isn't working at the moment as the defensive two. Luiz looks off the pace and McGinn looks back to his worst unfit self.
Yep they’re both having poor games and Barkley just makes mistakes in the defensive third.
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We are absolutely gifting them the midfield, and as a result the entire game is being played in our half.
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Are we all watching the same game? We haven’t been brilliant but they are by no means destroying us. I’d look at switching El Ghazi for Traore second half and then Sanson for McGinn or Barkley later on, but we’re not being run ragged, just a bit sloppy.
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Doubling down on jack, should leave more space for the others, but nope...
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Dean needs to ditch Anwar at HT
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Get El Ghazi off. He just stood there watching as West Ham attacked in front of him. Shocking. He's offering nothing. Traore or Trez to replace him.
Barkley can go to, bring on Marvelous and push SJM further up.
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El Ghazi is shocking, Trez or Traore anytime you like Dean.
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Are we all watching the same game? We haven’t been brilliant but they are by no means destroying us. I’d look at switching El Ghazi for Traore second half and then Sanson for McGinn or Barkley later on, but we’re not being run ragged, just a bit sloppy.
They've had 10 shots!
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I suppose West Ham are 5th for a reason
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Fuck me you have been utter shite El Ghazi
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Our worst half for a good while.
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El ghazi you twat. Finally a break and his control is fucking dogshite.
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What a waste of time Barkley and AEG have been so far. That lack of move sums it up.
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Are we all watching the same game? We haven’t been brilliant but they are by no means destroying us. I’d look at switching El Ghazi for Traore second half and then Sanson for McGinn or Barkley later on, but we’re not being run ragged, just a bit sloppy.
They've had 10 shots!
When the ball is in our half, we're letting them calmly stroke it around as they like.
When we're in their half, we're all huff and puff and exhibiting zero intelligence.
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Barkley and AEG v poor.
Need to make changes.
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Barkley is the biggest problem in midfield for me, he's completely missing when they have the ball and leaving us 2 on 3. With Lingard playing so high Luiz is having to defend deep so one of Rice or Soucek is always unmarked.
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Fuck off El Ghazi. Fuck sake!
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Jesus fucking Christ! I've counted two passes from Anwar
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Are we all watching the same game? We haven’t been brilliant but they are by no means destroying us. I’d look at switching El Ghazi for Traore second half and then Sanson for McGinn or Barkley later on, but we’re not being run ragged, just a bit sloppy.
Agree. We are not playing badly. And had decent well worked chances. What's the problem.
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Barkley is the biggest problem in midfield for me, he's completely missing when they have the ball and leaving us 2 on 3. With Lingard playing so high Luiz is having to defend deep so one of Rice or Soucek is always unmarked.
yep
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Lingard is making them tick, and Barkley absolutely is not for us.
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El Ghazi hopeless again.
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Are we all watching the same game? We haven’t been brilliant but they are by no means destroying us. I’d look at switching El Ghazi for Traore second half and then Sanson for McGinn or Barkley later on, but we’re not being run ragged, just a bit sloppy.
They've had 10 shots!
And we’ve hit the post as well as Barkley missing a sitter. It’s not brilliant, but we’re hardly getting battered either.
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West Ham have been good.
Not what you’re expected from Moyes team.
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Credit to Moyes, they've absolutely neutralised all the good things we usually do, certainly as far as our attacking play goes. We also still look about 80% of the level we were before the covid break.
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Sanson match fit, right? Been playing for OM prior to the switch?
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We really need to get to HT here alive and in the game. Dean isn’t making any changes either. May as well get that out of the way.
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Poorest performance this season I reckon. Our touch, passing and movement nowhere near what it has been. Even JAck has been average.
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What the fuck was that Barkely.
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Yep, El Ghazi has been dreadful. It's not a vintage performance from any of them mind.
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Utterly hopless performance
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Jesus we're playing like a bunch of drunks
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Better spell.
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Why didn't Barkley shoot instead of passing to JG??!
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Oh Jack.
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Fucking hell Barkley along the ground will do there.
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We need to up the fight
Barkley off Sanson on
AEG off Trez on
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cash is getting a lot of ball but then he has found himself isolated.
Gazi is really really ring rusty.
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Too much hot potato.
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Despite all that we still had the best chances.
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Bollocking and rocket up rear end from Deano needed
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Huff and puff. Sloppy. Ball not falling for us sometimes, but we’ve not been outrageously crap.
Seems to be a lack of energy.
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Absolute dross. I’d like to see Sanson in the second half, we need a rocket.
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Well, that was pish.
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We can play through these better with Traore in there so I'd put him on earlier than 95th minute please Dean.
At least it's still 0-0. Won't be easy to get anything if they go ahead.
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Half time. Sort them out, Deano.
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Not good.
El Ghazi stinking the place out I'm afraid.
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That is the worst half I have seen for us in ages.
Please, Dean, change something, don't just send them out the same and hope for something different.
West Ham aren't even that good, we're making them look good by giving them the ball continually. A better side would have had two or three against us by now.
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Piss poor performance in that half, we really need to improve in the second half
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I think we're actually missing Traore - not just AEG has been shite but because it takes pressure off Jack and Barkley when attacking.
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Very sloppy from us. Haven’t said that for a while.
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Time for Dean to step up and outthink Moyes. We're not out of it by any means but we are not our normal flowing football
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Not good.
El Ghazi stinking the place out I'm afraid.
He's not up to it against decent opposition.
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Sloppy first half, passing mot slick enough, West Ham finding it easy to nick the ball of us when pressing, soft free kicks being given away. 0-0 at half time good all round. Would like to see Sandon on for Barkley to give a bit more control on midfield and allow one of him Luiz or McGinn to pick up Lingard
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2nd best by a distance, I'd put Sanson on straight away.
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Dawson looks so bad for them, but we aren’t putting any pressure on him.
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Just not got going at all 1st half. Been bullied a little. Midfield just has no cohesion so far, Barkley have a bit of a stinker. West Ham been better all over.
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Well that was without doubt our worst half of the season. El Ghazi can not start the 2nd half. If he does it's a big mistake. Pure and simple. Soucek & Rice have ran the midfield. You have 15 minutes to sort this out Dean & Co or we will lose this game.
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We've been pulled about and out of position. They've been tough and resilient, very Moyes. I agree about Traore, it's another creative problem for them to solve. I reckon Sanson too,
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We look knackered, maybe a game too far after 5 games in quick succession. El Ghazi has been poor, but you never know where he is suffering the effects of Covid. He hasn't been the only one anyway, Luiz and Targett way off their usual standard, even Jack and Konsa have been a bit naff and Roscoe is having one of his shockers too. Only Watkins has looked anything like at the races.
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AEG off, sadly miles off the pace. Starting to have serious concerns about Barkley now and understand why Chelsea let him go. We very lucky to be nil nil bit some decent management now will pay dividends
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Of course we’re missing Traore - defensively he’s been iffy, but his movement is excellent and he creates problems.
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Barkley and Ghazi very poor. Man marking Jack a master stroke and Lingard looks brilliant!
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Been second best, but have still had a few decent chances. Barkley looking sluggish (especially compared to Lingard who has looked very sharp) and El Ghazi has had a terrible half.
Their whole game plan seems to be based around nullifying Grealish down our left, so why not move him into the middle?
Ref seems to be giving them everything as well.
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Where is McGinn? Could we have a go with Sanson? I am pretty sure he'll want to prove something.
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Started slow and poor, and gone downhill from there.
It looks like a lack of energy and drive throughout the team, leading to mistakes and poor judgment.
El Ghazi has gone back to being bloody shite. He needs to be hooked now because he has done nothing to deserve his place.
There is a lack of movement which in turn is leaving Ollie isolated.
I hope Dean sees how poor this has been and gives them a wake up call at half time.
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I think we're actually missing Traore - not just AEG has been shite but because it takes pressure off Jack and Barkley when attacking.
Good point. Traore only really performs for the first 45 minutes. Now would be a good time to bring him on.
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Would anyone be kind enough to please message me a link?
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Dreadful performance so far
I’d like to see him make some changes rather than just react if we go a goal down
But I don’t think he will
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I wouldn’t be too hard on AEG - first start in ages and yes he’s been poor but he can be loads better. That said for this game I’d have Traore and Sanson on at half time, but I suspect no changes.
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that was a big sloppy bag of wank. We need to keep the ball - something we're lacking without Traore.
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It starts up front. Your press works when everybody presses. El Ghazi has got nowhere near Cresswell, he's also given it away more times than I've ever seen a player give it away for us. I am fucking astounded at how bad he was. Get him the fuck off.
Secondly, so much room for them. Lingard has had 20 yards time and time again, its ridiculous. Put some fucking time into them!
Too many passengers, so sloppy. We are very fortunate they've not created anything clear cut, as a better side would have punished us.
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Poorest I’ve seen us all season i think. Kick up the backside from Smith at halftime.
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With Rice and Soucek, the Spammers have a strong central midfield, giving them the width that is putting Cash and Targett under pressure. Barkley not doing the work in the middle. And AEG not stretching the WH defence.
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Its not dreadful, but a tight game. They are organised.
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BT saying we shaded the first half? Really?
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Can’t see Dean putting his trust in Sansom for 45 minutes.
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Lead legged performance.
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BT saying we shared the first half? Really?
I actual heard one of them say we edged it!!!! 😳
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Don't seem to have got going at all. Only really Martinez, Cash & Watkins who are playing well for me.
El Ghazi off, Traore on for me.
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Lead legged performance.
Definitely
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cash is getting a lot of ball but then he has found himself isolated.
Gazi is really really ring rusty.
Which is probably why he is being played tonight. So he is not ring rusty when we need him.
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In terms of chances of note, maybe, as we've come closest. In terms of play, we've been rank second best.
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Usual big overreaction from some. Not been great bu5 we’ve played 5 games in two weeks - we look a bit leggy. Agree that AEG has been poor.
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Hope that was not our good half
Number of players off the pace across the pitch, letting them boss the game.
El Ghazi, Barkley ,ineffective.
Lingard, who I did not fancy looking very capable of scoring.
Mix it up Dean and have a bit more in the 3nd half
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BT saying we shared the first half? Really?
I actual heard one of them say we edged it!!!! 😳
Ffs typo. Should of read shaded. I thought we were 2nd best everywhere. Martinez our best player.
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AEG has been poor, not really involved and has lost the ball the few times he has had it.
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Still 0-0 so you’d hope things can only get better in the second half.
I don’t want to be a boo boy but Barkley infuriates me.
It’s a bit harsh because he’s by no means alone in having a poor half but he’s turned into opposition players on numerous occasions, conceded possession, given the ball away and been wasteful when in good positions.
I think it’s because we know he’s a much better player than he so often shows. I thought the same on Saturday so hopefully he can score again!
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BT saying we shared the first half? Really?
Yes. We had the better chances.
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Well second best for the majority of that half. Need to quicken up and make our passing and movement sharper. On the odd occasions we have put it together we have pulled them around but generally it has been too slow and ponderous and let them get onto us.
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El ghazi poor regardless of anything, Barkley not putting a shift in meaning McGinn is plugging gaps rather than getting forward.
Come on Villa
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Usual big overreaction from some. Not been great bu5 we’ve played 5 games in two weeks - we look a bit leggy. Agree that AEG has been poor.
Sorry mate but that’s no excuse.
Smith keeps teeing us the players are fine. One excuse he will never be able to use is the tired excuse.
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We have been poor on the whole. AEG was atrocious. Lingard has been excellent for them, taking up some good positions between the lines and using the ball well. That is what I would like Barkley to do, but he continues to flatter to deceive as he has done for much of his career.
Surely, he has to introduce the new lad and also replace AEG sooner rather than later. If we up it slightly we can win this as West ham are solid rather than spectacular. However, my money is on a draw.
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Mcginn deep is not my fav situation
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A lot of harsh comments on here.
Id say West ham slightly shading it but weve had decent chances. Do agree about El Ghazi not putting in the effort though.
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We don’t make HT subs but Traore should 100% come on
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Oh crap, my feeds gone down completely.
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Traore coming on
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Decent game between two good teams. So much better watchng this than anything we have seen for years!
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BT saying we shared the first half? Really?
Yes. We had the better chances.
Possibly. But I think they were the better team overall. Soucek & Rice are dominating the midfield dont you think?
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Right decision
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Well done Dean, good decision. Sorry El Ghazi, but you were dreadful son.
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AEG off, Traore on!
I like it, no messing around. Should keep the ball a bit better now we're in their half.
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We don’t make HT subs but Traore should 100% come on
done
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AEG really doesn’t help himself does he
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Poor free kick.
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As an aside does anyone know if Jesse Lingard has played much recently? 😁
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It’s a real shame he didn’t take his chance like he did the last time. But he was brilliant in December and the break really knocked him off his stride.
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Uh oh, Blinky's here watching the England lads.
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I wonder if Traore will attempt a crazy back pass today?
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Bertie on for AEG. Absolutely the correct decision. El Ghazi just wasn't right at all.
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Piss poor decision from Barkley again.
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I wonder if Traore will attempt a crazy back pass today?
They're not usually "passes" as such, more like a slice off his 50p feet. Which he doesn't wear when attacking, obvs.
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A ell known site providing the game (let's call it BT sport) has gone down. Does anybody have an alternative channel they might point me towards?
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Surprise surprise
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Poor from our goal kick. So poor.
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Bollocks.
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Barkley is a frustrating player - brilliant at times but has a tendency to hold on to the ball too long and try to do too much.
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Taxi for Barkley. Trying to do too much, again.
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that was always coming fuck me
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Rubbish defending just opened like the Red Sea there.
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Shite
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I wonder if Traore will attempt a crazy back pass today?
I wonder if he'll score another brilliant goal
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We'll struggle to get back into this.
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This has been truly dreadful
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A ell known site providing the game (let's call it BT sport) has gone down. Does anybody have an alternative channel they might point me towards?
I'd also appreciate that kind of knowledge :)
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Fuck sake. Fucking Mings.
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Well that’s been coming for a while.
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What a mess that was. We had a let off 30 seconds before and we do a short kick out ffs.
Going to be tough to get anything now.
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Been coming - rubbish.
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It was coming tbf.
Beating us at our own game.
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Deserved as we've been shite
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Soucek the best player on the pitch tonight.
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Who was the midfielder who let Soucek run straight past him and didn't track him? Looked like either SJSM or Barkley
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This will be 2 or 3. Utterly dreadful performance.
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That was a shit goal to concede, was far too simple.
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Two poor displays in a row now, we were lucky against Saints, and now West Ham are deservedly ahead.
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Who was the midfielder who let Soucek run straight past him and didn't track him? Looked like either SJSM or Barkley
Dunno both have been poor
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Rubbish
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Fuck sake. Fucking Mings.
Harsh on Mings when 3 midfielders let Soucek make an untracked 25 yard run into the box
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We’re fucking taking the piss here. Unacceptably poor.
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Not at the races at all. Lacklustre. Sloppy.
Too many underperforming.
Got to up the tempo. Show some dynamism.
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Resorting to hit and hope now.
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This is utter utter shit. Barkley has gone to shit.
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Fuck sake. Fucking Mings.
Harsh on Mings when 3 midfielders let Soucek make an untracked 25 yard run into the box
Yep
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Barkley really on the fringes of this.
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This is utter utter shit. Barkley has gone to shit.
He wasn't that great against Southampton but still scored.
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Sloppy, toothless, and cack.
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What the fuck is up with them all tonight? We've had an extra day off than West Ham.
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Jack needs to come into the middle here.
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Bollocks
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Game over.
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Fucking disgusting and disgraceful performance
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All poor tonight, Barkley especially.
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We just haven't got going so far. Its frustrating watching us get as far as the opposition box then come all the way back to Emi again.
Well there you go. Bloody awful tonight
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Awful keeping.
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Fucking awful from Ollie, that goal is entirely his fault.
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Oh dear
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Dreadful - awful control from Watkins in their box and they score from it
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Yep. Sloppy midfield play again letting them through.
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This will be 3 or 4 and deservedly so. Absolutely embarrassing performance.
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Fucking dreadful- well done Ollie.
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Utter, utter, utter wank. Fuck off.
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We just haven't got going so far. Its frustrating watching us get as far as the opposition box then come all the way back to Emi again.
Well there you go. Bloody awful tonight
Careless from Ollie. Works hard but he's very sloppy.
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One thing smith cannot moan about it players being tired. He has run them into the ground.
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Ffs good night
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All over.
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Well that all stemmed from an awful lack of control by Watkins.
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Poor from Martinez.
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Jack has been marked out the game and no plan B.
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Can't complain if we lose tonight, they've been by far the better side.
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they've been miles better than us. We're sloppy. Useless.
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Worrying form at the moment
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That was sexy from Targett and then Ollie gives it away so easily, just pass it back!
We then get done on the break.
Had the warning first half and thrown it away now.
Would probably put Davis on and see if two upfront makes a difference as we've been as flat as the Southampton home game.
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Fuck off Barkley
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We’re a decent side but we aren’t very streetwise at all.
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This is fucking shocking.
It was poor in the first half and it's got worse.
We're making Lingard look like Lionel Messi.
What the hell is going on?
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We've lost the plot here. West Ham can smell blood.
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How much does Barkley trouser every week for shit like that?
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Fuck me Barkley that’s amateur.
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And fans were calling for us to sign Barkley. He should be off the pitch by now.
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Get Barkley off now
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This is Villa of last season.
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Targett beats two men brilliantly, plays it to Ollie's feet, but his touch is terrible and he loses it and it's given straight to the two players Targett previously took out of the game for a 3 on 2. Absolutely shocking sequence of play. They broke really well, but it was WAY too easy to win the ball from Ollie.
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Shocking all over the pitch, a shambles.
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Get Barkley off, he's been shit too. How can you play that badly first half, give them a half time rocket, then come out and be 10 times worse.
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Out thought out fought out played
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Barkley off for Davis and see how that looks for 15 minutes. Pull Jack and Traore in as stretching the play hasn't worked at all and it's been too easy for them to counter.
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We've been bullied tonight I think. They're so much stronger in the press and holding the ball up top
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Surely Sanson can't be any worse than Barkely is tonight
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Hmmm. Let's see about the steam spirit now. Half an hour left.
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Worst performance since Leeds although Southampton was close. I think this is our dip.
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The score reflects the game perfectly. We deserve to get nothing from this. As Steve Bruce would say “one of those horrible ones”
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Our entire way of playing has played exactly into their hands this game. We've been the perfect opponent for them, and I can't see us even getting on the scoresheet today, let alone getting something from the game.
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Worse than Leeds performance, this is what happens when you keep playing the same fucking side every three days in a really hard period when the squad has hda Covid proplems too. On the manager I'm afraid.
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The game is over, get some subs on. Barkley can go back to Chelsea after tonight quite honestly.
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Every away team in the Premier Division winning tonight.
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I think it's time to talk about the midfield. Good players all, but only Luiz is top-tier standard most weeks. Barkley and McGinn give the ball away so much, and their attempts at quickfire passing in midfield are seriously haphazard.
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Had to do a double take on those stats, 8 shots on target from West Ham!
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Barkley needs the hook now, beyond awful tonight
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May as well have a look at Sanson now.
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Get Barkley off now for Nakamba or this is going to be a hammering.
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Flat and slow
and i don't just mean Barkley
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Good save tyrone
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Worse than Leeds performance, this is what happens when you keep playing the same fucking side every three days in a really hard period when the squad has hda Covid proplems too. On the manager I'm afraid.
This
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This is looking too easy for west ham
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Bring Sanson on - at the very least get him up to speed.
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No cutting edge. Tippy-tappy stuff in the final third, giving it away each time.
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Well done Mings.
Smith, make some changes. This is beyond fucking shite. Jack in at 10, Trez on, Barkley off.
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Totally lost shape
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Mings stops it being 0-3. For now.
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Grealish has been fucking garbage as well, every time he gets the ball he slows play down to walking pace.
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Barkley really has been appalling. Hasn't done a thing right all game.
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This is game over, there is no energy or intensity..
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Fucking shambles.
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Well done Mings. Midfield has been fucking awful.
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Game is lost anyway so why not see what Sanson can do. Can’t be any worse than Barkley.
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Barkley off for Davis and see how that looks for 15 minutes. Pull Jack and Traore in as stretching the play hasn't worked at all and it's been too easy for them to counter.
Davis on for Barkley? That makes no sense at all.
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This is embarrassing.
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Barkley off please, Trez on. McGinn off, Sanson on. It can't really get any worse.
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This doesn't look like we will score, so why is our manager afraid to try a reshuffle?
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Make a frigging change Deano
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What a clearance by Mings.
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I can understand no subs on Saturday but watching this crap and doing nothing is not an option
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If we can get a goal somehow it could wake us up.
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Worst performance of the season ( from what I can remember) in the game that we probably needed a performance most.
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We do not have the first idea how to break them down.
It needs pace and moving the ball around quickly.
Unfortunately, the team is running on empty and so don’t have the energy to play that way.
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Sanson for Barkley. You've been gash mate with and without the ball.
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To be fair weve had to play loads of games to make up for the Covid cancellations, it was bound to catch up with us soon.
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this is an awful performance - we've not done anything well.
Blow up ref, you're wasting time by making us play the rest of this game.
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Davis is not on the bench.
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Barkley off for Davis and see how that looks for 15 minutes. Pull Jack and Traore in as stretching the play hasn't worked at all and it's been too easy for them to counter.
Davis on for Barkley? That makes no sense at all.
Watkins Davis Jack
Traore
something like that or just pull Jack into the 3 centrally. Too easy for West Ham.
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We’ve been bullied, harried, forced into giving away cheap possession. Created nothing and lacked composure with the ball. Can’t think of anyone whose had a even half decent game. Other than that it’s been great.
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Watkins needs some help - useless bastards
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Tiredness or not, this has been an utterly pathetic performance
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Smith has been completely and utterly out thought by Moyes.
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Fabianski has hardly had to make a save
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Worse than Leeds performance, this is what happens when you keep playing the same fucking side every three days in a really hard period when the squad has hda Covid proplems too. On the manager I'm afraid.
This
Yep, agreed, the biggest problem here is that we just don't look as sharp as usual.
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To be fair weve had to play loads of games to make up for the Covid cancellations, it was bound to catch up with us soon.
We haven't played any games to make up for the Covid cancellation yet. Most teams have been playing two games a week more or less since Christmas.
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This is hardly a surprise, we've been pretty turgid since the covid break.
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Davis is not on the bench.
Oh. He is. Not that it makes a difference.
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Is that the first save Fabianski has made?
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This is where i struggle a bit with Dean
We're losing badly, it's not going to change if we don't make a change on-pitch. Why just stand there and watch it pan out predictably?
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Ramsey coming on ?
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To be fair to Barkley, he’s returned after a long break to play a lot of games in a short time and it’s caught up with him. He needs subbing and give Sanson a go at the games gone anyway.
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Davis is not on the bench.
Davis couldn't finish his dinner.
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This is where i struggle a bit with Dean
We're losing badly, it's not going to change if we don't make a change on-pitch. Why just stand there and watch it pan out predictably?
Not exactly Mr Flexibility is he?
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Worst performance of the season ( from what I can remember) in the game that we probably needed a performance most.
Spot on, can stop with the Champs League maths. We've consistently fucked up when we should have done better this season undoing the good work in games like Liverpool, Arsenal and Palace.
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Every fucking pass is shit.
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Barkley's race is run - he's flagging.
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Trez. That will show 'em.
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Trez. That will show 'em.
😂
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No-one going down the right so predictably we are constantly going down the left even though West ham have so many bodies down there.
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This is where i struggle a bit with Dean
We're losing badly, it's not going to change if we don't make a change on-pitch. Why just stand there and watch it pan out predictably?
In game management isn't Dean's strength. We need the game plan to work and if it doesn't Dean seems reluctant or uncertain of what to do. The game plan has often worked thankfully but when it doesn't it ain't pretty.
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When we play badly, we really look awful and Southgate is also watching, i bet he's well impressed with our English contingent.
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Sometimes it just isn’t going to happen. We haven’t been at the races from the off. It’s been absolutely dreadful tonight. We’ve not had many games like this. Need to now beat Arsenal who themselves won’t be full of confidence.
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They've just out muscled us. And been very well organised. On top of that our passing has been really poor. Not many positives to take from this!
They've outnumbered us all over the pitch.
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Every bakk into their box and there's two Spam players going for it and noone for us.
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Great ball that from SJM
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We look tired.
Which makes you wonder at the thought process of barely changing the team week in, week out. I appreciate we won our last match, but we looked tired then, too, and the flow of games looks too much for us.
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IT reminds me of many home games against Everton when Moyes managed them -- we often seemed to struggle against their physicaltiy and organisation and then Tim Cahill would score a couple.
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I'd like to see Sanson on for Barkley.
Plus I don't think we've managed a decent free kick or corner all game.
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Can't think of anyone who's done well tonight.
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Dougie...so fucking half arsed
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Good on Ollie, Trez should've kept running instead of just stopping there.
Been our best player in a very below par performance.
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Sweet baby jesus and the fucking orphans we are utterly shite
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So so bad. Such a poor display.
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Utter gash everyone of them. Summed up by Luiz shot just
Pathetic
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We don't do close 1-0 defeats do we?
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We look tired.
Which makes you wonder at the thought process of barely changing the team week in, week out. I appreciate we won our last match, but we looked tired then, too, and the flow of games looks too much for us.
Indeed.
Smith is culpable for this performance.
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Dougies effort their pretty much sums it up.
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Do they have 12 men on the field because it looks that way.
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This really is a tired, lacklustre performance. Not one of them look up to their usual standard. Every final ball has been shit. We look better with Traore on though.
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We just haven't turned up tonight. We have been piss poor throughout.
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We look tired.
Which makes you wonder at the thought process of barely changing the team week in, week out. I appreciate we won our last match, but we looked tired then, too, and the flow of games looks too much for us.
Indeed.
Smith is culpable for this performance.
Indeed. Seasons caught up with us today.
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Every cross there’s 3 black shirts under it.
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We look tired.
Which makes you wonder at the thought process of barely changing the team week in, week out. I appreciate we won our last match, but we looked tired then, too, and the flow of games looks too much for us.
Indeed.
Smith is culpable for this performance.
Indeed. He could have made some subs last week, but didn't. Tired players, and we even nearly chucked that win away too.
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We’re never scoring here. We’re just so ponderous tonight.
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We look tired.
Which makes you wonder at the thought process of barely changing the team week in, week out. I appreciate we won our last match, but we looked tired then, too, and the flow of games looks too much for us.
Indeed.
Smith is culpable for this performance.
If players are tired and you are right we look totally off it then you have to freshen things up.
Dean is too tied to his chosen eleven. That must change after tonight surely?
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Arsenal is half 12 on Saturday aswell. Got to give likes of Sanson a go I think as Arsenal will be bringing back likes of Aubameyang.
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Our season appears to have hit a wall. Lacklustre and heavy legged. West Ham have played 2 more games and look as lively as a box of frogs. Questions need to be asked.
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Pretty obvious Dean and Shaky don’t know what to do here by that picture
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Deano and Shaky doing a lot of finger pointing on the touchline.
Presumably they are saying "He's been shit, he's been shit, he's been shit...."
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Let's see the new guy on then
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DS and CS talking and pointing with two fingers.
Probably saying "Look at those two useless twats in midfield."
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Trez looking fresh aswell, would give him a start on Saturday.
Sanson coming on....bit late!
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Pretty obvious Dean and Shaky don’t know what to do here by that picture
We've been outfought and out thought. No question.
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Not fair to bring the kid on during our worst performance of the season.
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Could do with a transfer window to freshen things up.
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Could do with a transfer window to freshen things up.
Hmm.
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I'm afraid Smith has had a poor one here. Had no answers to really some very predictable questions.
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Could do with a transfer window to freshen things up.
Nah, we have Keinan Davis on the bench. Would have been madness to bring in another striker.
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West Ham the better side on the night. A blip in the evolution, nothing more.
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Great goal ollie
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Sansom looks like Gil.
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Ollie!!!!!!!!!!!
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Gooooooooool
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Well that was unexpected.
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See, go down the right and look what happens
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We should have voted for the 5 subs rule.
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Right then. Great finish Ollie. That is much better
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great goal to be fair, the pass is incredible.
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Goal.
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What a goal out of nothing!
Game on.....
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Great finish.
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Come on villa!
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Nice goal Ollie.
We can't, can we?
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And there's the Grealish assist.
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SPam made the mistake of pushing up away from the 18 yard line
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First bit of play with pace and zip, quick passing and bang.
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We've pulled one back, still some hope.
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Only fair we get a point out of this after the mugging down there.....
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For fucks sake
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Fuck off
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Twice Ollie gives it away and twice Martinez is fucking appalling.
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Nice goal Ollie.
We can't, can we?
No of course we fkn can't!
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Bloody hell
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really poor Emi.
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Poor goalkeeping too
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Poor touch and control,from Ollie again. 2 goals have come the same way.
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Fucking hell Emi that’s shite.
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Fucking hell
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Two fucking goals he's cost us.
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Jesus Christ, that is so, so poor.
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"Lingard will be miles off the pace."
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Jesus. Martinez has had an absolute shocker. Dreadful.
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Jeez that is poor from Emi. His worst game of the season has spread to the team.
Game over.
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I suppose Emi was felling a bit left out so decided to play like a twat as well
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Well that was exciting for 1 minute
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More piss poor control from Watkins.
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Game over.
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Dreadful to a man today.
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One of those horrible ones.
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Martinez worst mistake of the season, just when we were getting back into the game. Christ almighty.
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Oh do fuck off. Every single one of them. Every. single. one. has been 75% shitter than usual tonight. He has to save that.
I honestly doubt whether Jessie fucking Lingard will score another goal this season the twat.
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You know that if we'd signed Lingard, he'd need a whole year of getting up to speed.
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One goal and 2 assists from Ollie
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Shite
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0 out of 10 all round. -10 for Smith.
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Looks to me like west ham haven't had to do a lot other than the basics.
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Lingard will never score two softer goals in his life.
Martinez has been great but jeez......
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"What a load of rubbish!"
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Fucking dross.
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Said after last match, we have mid-table written all over us. Just not consistent.
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Martinez wants fucking locking up for the 2nd and 3rd.
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Who is the West Ham player who looks the dead spit of David Platt off of Corrie? Is it Fornals?
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Didn't even realise Jared Bowen wasn't playing. And Fornals been a regular so Moyes shown the benefit of making 2-3 changes and having a fresher first 11 here.
We have to do the same on Saturday even if team dosen't look as strong on paper.
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Basic errors every single time.
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Has Sanson been any good since coming on for those of us not watching?
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Can we retire Champions League Maths thread
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Not going to be too hard on Emi, been so good so you allowed to have one stinker but by god we have been fucking crap tonight and deserved this.
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One goal and 2 assists from Ollie
I think he's been far and away our best player tonight even before the goal but yes disappointing hold up play and also gave it away too easily for their second. Martinez should've saved both though.
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Arsenal will fancy themselves here on Saturday watching this shit show.
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Has Sanson been any good since coming on for those of us not watching?
Who?
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You know that if we'd signed Lingard, he'd need a whole year of getting up to speed.
Well we would have signed him and then maybe put him on with a few minutes left in the match. Credit to Moyes, he knew our weakness is young Manure Strikers.
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Work and a shit river have meant I have missed most of this game for the first game this season.
What’s happening guys??
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The really frustrating thing is that Martinez has been so good all season but has just fallen to pieces tonight.
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This has been piss poor tonight .
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Has Sanson been any good since coming on for those of us not watching?
2 or 3 passes. Hasn’t been involved for the last 6 or 7 mins.
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Has Sanson been any good since coming on for those of us not watching?
Hard to judge. Looked lively prior to our goal but since their third everyone's been rubbish and anonymous.
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The really frustrating thing is that Martinez has been so good all season but has just fallen to pieces tonight.
On the bright side, I'd rather have all his falling-to-pieces in the one game than stretched over several games.
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The really frustrating thing is that Martinez has been so good all season but has just fallen to pieces tonight.
I guess we can allow him an off night, but we do always have Heaton in reserve if it continues.
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Not good enough. Midtable awaits. A crushingly poor performance at the wrong time. Europe a pipe dream.
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Work and a shit river have meant I have missed most of this game for the first game this season.
What’s happening guys??
Odd, you get a shit river, we get a river of shit.
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The really frustrating thing is that Martinez has been so good all season but has just fallen to pieces tonight.
On the bright side, I'd rather have all his falling-to-pieces in the one game than stretched over several games.
he wasn’t great against Burnley
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We need to make a few changes for the Arsenal game. The team looks fucking knackered to me.
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Work and a shit river have meant I have missed most of this game for the first game this season.
What’s happening guys??
Odd, you get a shit river, we get a river of shit.
Post of the evening
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Bring No Goalsie on.
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The really frustrating thing is that Martinez has been so good all season but has just fallen to pieces tonight.
On the bright side, I'd rather have all his falling-to-pieces in the one game than stretched over several games.
Indeed, hopefully he's at his best again at the weekend, surely he can get himself up for that.
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Fucking hell SJM how about knock the Hollywood passes on the head.
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They've been better than us in every single position.
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Good job West Ham didn't turn up on the final day.
As disappointing as it is things could be much worse now e.g. stuck in championship playing BCD football.
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Physically bullied, out pressed, out ran, fucking diabolical.
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Thank fuck we had such a cracking transfer window.
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Fucking hell SJM how about knock the Hollywood passes on the head.
If we are going to progress up the league he's the next one replaced, after Conor.
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They've been better than us in every single position.
Thanks Risso for a sensible reply.
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Picked the wrong team. Trez should have started. You cannot give sides 45 minutes like we did to settle and gain confidence.
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Physically they have been far superior. Won pretty much every second ball.
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Massively disappointing performance. We had a warning first half and then gave away two sloppy goals that killed the game.
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Fuck off Villa. Disgraceful, every bit as bad as last season.
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Soucek has totally bossed this game. How the fuck did Lingard get motm? 2 keeper errors for me.
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Christ, what a horror show.
Two days until Arsenal. How do we get up for that?
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Getting back into the game and conceding a minute later...that is infuriating.
I blame Smith for that one, but I think he has a few in the bank.
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We seem to have a real problem with the “physical sides”.
The fact we’ve taken 1 point from the anti-football crap of Burnley and West Ham means something doesn’t work there.
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We seem to have a real problem with the “physical sides”.
The fact we’ve taken 1 point from the anti-football crap of Burnley and West Ham means something doesn’t work there.
West Ham aren't anti-football, come on! We were poor tonight and have got to learn the lessons... and fast!
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West Ham were too good for us in every position. Quicker and smarter. Martinez had a poor game and has to take some of the blame for all of the goals.
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They were quicker and smarter. It felt like they had more players than us in every area of the pitch. They doubled up on Jack so where was the spare man? Moyes won the coaching game tonight and that hurts.