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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on December 12, 2020, 02:27:37 PM
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YESSSSSSSSSSS
That’s a very hard earned win. Not an easy place to go to at all. We are still a few very good players short of Wolves but we showed fucking heart and fight. Daft red for Luiz but a red for us was always on the cards. Still will take it and move on. Love you AEG for that very confident penno. Thank fuck!!!!
And well done Jacob for a very competent debut.
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A good job well done. Not a great game, but a similar performance and result to Leicester. Despite Martinez being MOTM, I think we shaded it overall.
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Thank goodness it wasn't the two minutes of added time that the match thread was calling for...
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Yes, a hard fought scrappy win. Haven't had one since the first game of the season and a mini slump has now been arrested.
Weekend may now be enjoyed.
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I thought Ramsey did really well in a tough game to make his full debut.
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Martinez superb today. Need Barkley back asap.
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Good attritional win... Mike Dean is a card-happy ******.
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Brilliant. They did really well against a good side, another great away win.
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Let's fucking go!
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Poor match, worked hard, had a touch of fortune, that which VAR took away in the last two games.
Great pen and well done to the captain for dragging the celebrations further away from the centre spot.
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Tremendous win....tremendous.
Xunt of a referee, but a wonderful result. Chuffed to fuck with that.
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Kind of us to play at such a small ground in a suburb of Walsall.
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The brief Wolves interregnum is over, the Villa Restoration Monarchy begins.
Very much looking forward to work on Monday :-)
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Mind that f in gap Dingles!
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Decent 3 points i guess. Started well, fell away. Defence was good-ish despite the usual Mings fuck up. Martinez - excellent. Traore just looks a massive fanny merchant to me. expensive for an impact sub. Ramsey was ok - tough game for a debut. Luis - complete div. Watkins - anonymous. Dean makes Elleray look unfussy and needs an (accidental) boot up the arse from someone to show him what a foul is. All in all. yay.
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I just watched the replay of the penalty. First a brilliant penalty by AEG. But watch Jack. He fucking takes AEG to the corner to celebrate and goes fucking mental. Absolute love it!
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it's nice to win the horrible, shitty, niggly games that we wouldn't have won last season.
Happy days :)
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Get. The. Fuck. In!
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Let's be honest, only one team deserved to win that. Makes up for the West Ham game though!
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We do beat good teams , just got to start beating the shite .
Martinez was excellent . Nobody else really stood out but they all worked hard and we missed Barkley .
over the moon with this one .
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Just popped in to say:
Gerrin!
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For all the cards I don't think it was a dirty game
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At last! A win!
Deano will have to shuffle things round now we've had more bookings than the West End will this year.
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Friday or early Saturday games can really fuck up your weekend. Have a superb weekend chaps!!!
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Great penalty from El Ghazi, absolutely hammered that in under pressure.
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Ghazi looked like he enjoyed that. Chuffed for him
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Made my weekend - fantastic - having to work - but updates via villa app - MAGIC
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Bonus win to make up for the minus loss. Still no draws. Scored in every game? I love us.
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Gritty.Laid it on the line.Still going forward at 10 men. We come of age.Fucking get the fuck in
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The Mike Dean Show is sh*te. Well happy with a win though. We needed that result to get us back on track.
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I don’t think I’ve seen El Ghazi interviewed before.
He comes over really well. Loved his answer about not feeling the pressure for the pen, as he practices a lot!!
Straight on the piss now 😀😀
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Results irrelevant, It was an honour for us to be allowed to play at Molineux.
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El Ghazy !!! What a pen. I was thinking what the hell arte they thinking sending AEG up to take the pen ...That was a tough game and we came away with three points . Brilliant. Have a really nice evening all, I m off to pick up some bottles :)
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Great to see us grind out three points in a tough, dour game. Winning ugly is a vital ability.
Ramsey certainly looks the part at this level.
And we finally have a really good goalkeeper. Best player on the pitch today.
Well done lads!
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Tremendous win....tremendous.
Xunt of a referee, but a wonderful result. Chuffed to fuck with that.
Agreed regarding Dean, but crazy challenge from Dougie for his second yellow
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Thought we were good at the back, the dirty stop start game seemed to suit us more.
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Hard fought battle, not helped by Mike Dean - card happy bastard, seems that old adage is true about things evening out. Great pen , under pressure, by AEG.
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What I love about this team is how we keep going and going until the last kick. We have been involved in so many incidents right at the death this season because we are pushing and pushing.
How many times over the years have we watched Villa call it a day with 10 mins to go, and let games peter out to nothing.
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Lovely to see us nick one like that. Mike Dean can’t retire soon enough for me.
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Let's be honest, only one team deserved to win that. Makes up for the West Ham game though!
Indeed. Should have been six points from Wolves, West Ham and Brighton, with all three results the other way round.
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Truly awful reffing by "Look at me, I'm Mike Dean. Did you know I'm the Prem ref with the most red cards?".
"No?"
"Well here's two more for my collection"
"Yes, I really am shite aren't I?"
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It just does not get better than a 94th minute winner. At Wolves.
Great bottle shown by El Ghazi. Fantastic, man.
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Scrappy game, great result, far too many cards shown. Well done to Jacob, onwards and upwards now hopefully.
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Tremendous win....tremendous.
Xunt of a referee, but a wonderful result. Chuffed to fuck with that.
Agreed regarding Dean, but crazy challenge from Dougie for his second yellow
Luiz committed 2 fouls and Dean never considered giving him the benefit of the doubt for either, the first in particular didn't need a booking and he let a number of similar challenges go after it, it was a typical "I'm in charge here" booking from a ref who thinks he needs to show how tough he is early on.
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Similar to Leicester away. In the old days “the sort of result that can win you the league”.
Gritty, stop start, but we’ve won it, and with ten men at the time!
Fair play to AEG for stepping up having not been involved much.
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7 more wins and we can do some serious shopping
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Next two games are Burnley and the Bitters. Need to take full advantage.
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Doug was lucky that it wasn't a straight red. Just the one match to sit out, at least.
I'm really impressed that we had the guts to keep playing to win with 10 men. Many teams would have tried to shut up shop (and probably conceded given the pressure that was building). Martinez is looking a better and better buy. Roll on Thursday!
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Great credit to El Ghazi there, for that penalty and, also, how well he came across in that interview so soon after the game.
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Just as well Guilbert and Elmo are fit to replace Cash on Thursday. I guess it will be Nakamba for Luiz though wouldn't be completely surprised to see McGinn play there and Ramsey keeping his place.
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Terrible performance but a win! Maybe those are the best ones. Thought the peno was harsh enough too but we deserved that after the shite of the last 2 games. We were light years better at West Ham and got nothing, that's football I guess but two suspensions now for the next day.
Martinez was excellent, defence with exception of Mings were decent, Targett particularly did well against Traore. Ramsey was ok and finished strong. That aside, we were average to very poor. Grealish played like he had a hangover in the second half. McGinn up to winning the peno was dreadful again, Traore a waste of space, Luiz indisciplined throughout and possibly could have got a straight red for that elbow.
Martinez 8, Cash 7, Konsa 7, Mings 5, Targett 7, Luiz 4, McGinn 4, Ramsey 6, Traore 3, Watkins 5 Grealish 5
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Happy days, new chant required.
We're Aston Villa, we don't do drawwwssss,
We don't do draws, we don't do draws, we're Aston Villa, we don't do drawwwssss!
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Terrible performance? It was that bad.
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Tremendous win....tremendous.
Xunt of a referee, but a wonderful result. Chuffed to fuck with that.
Agreed regarding Dean, but crazy challenge from Dougie for his second yellow
Luiz committed 2 fouls and Dean never considered giving him the benefit of the doubt for either, the first in particular didn't need a booking and he let a number of similar challenges go after it, it was a typical "I'm in charge here" booking from a ref who thinks he needs to show how tough he is early on.
I'm seen people get straight reds for leading with the elbow like that.
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Magnificent.
Well done lads !!!!!
Was aching to watch my team play after the barcode postponement.
Top class keeping from Martinez - motm
Bold of Dean for the changes - really pleased
Great penalty at the death and had whole family dancing around the room
What a great way to start the weekend
Where is your fucking gap now Wolves
Great team performance
Young Ramsey local lad box to box
Came out on top
Love Villa !!!!!!
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Luiz should know the score. didn't deserve the first booking, but doing that with Dean as ref, well what do you expect?
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Shame we were not there to see it - can you imagine the fun we would have had taking the piss - especially with the injury time winner!!.
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Will definitely take that. Martinez was solid, we defended well for most of the game and had a touch of luck a couple of times. I think we have enough quality in the final third now that we’re going to create chances even when things aren’t quite working like today.
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After the unpredictability of the last few matches, it's nice to grind out a 1-0. It seems like the league is starting to just return to a little bit of normality (there's still some bonkers results around mind you).
I'd hope that we don't slip off the gas in the next game, and try to build momentum again. Almost every time there's been a break, it's come when we didn't want one, and took away our momentum. The Newcastle game being called off on the other hand, I think did us a favour. We had the legs to see this through.
Fairly solid all round. Luiz wasn't great, and the red card was foolish (albeit a tad harsh I thought). Traore doesn't convince me much. I'd rather play Anwar to be honest. He's just as inconsistent but when he's good, he's better (and is good from dead ball).
Martinez the star man by far. What a player, and evidently a great character.
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Terrible performance but a win! Maybe those are the best ones. Thought the peno was harsh enough too but we deserved that after the shite of the last 2 games. We were light years better at West Ham and got nothing, that's football I guess but two suspensions now for the next day.
Martinez was excellent, defence with exception of Mings were decent, Targett particularly did well against Traore. Ramsey was ok and finished strong. That aside, we were average to very poor. Grealish played like he had a hangover in the second half. McGinn up to winning the peno was dreadful again, Traore a waste of space, Luiz indisciplined throughout and possibly could have got a straight red for that elbow.
Martinez 8, Cash 7, Konsa 7, Mings 5, Targett 7, Luiz 4, McGinn 4, Ramsey 6, Traore 3, Watkins 5 Grealish 5
Luiz had 100% pass accuracy today apparently.
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I don't think it was a terrible performance. It lacked a bit in the box but we ground out a result and created a fair amount of chances. Defended pretty well.
Solid.
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A great win, in terms of the manner we achieved it - well done Deano and the Boys.
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I don't think it was a terrible performance. It lacked a bit in the box but we ground out a result and created a fair amount of chances. Defended pretty well.
Solid.
Cheer up. We won!
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I can't be thinking negative after that. Yes we are a team that needs plenty of work, some players better than others, all manner of things to look at but fuck me they don't deserve a whipping after that for fucks sake.
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#levels.
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Tremendous win....tremendous.
Xunt of a referee, but a wonderful result. Chuffed to fuck with that.
Agreed regarding Dean, but crazy challenge from Dougie for his second yellow
Luiz committed 2 fouls and Dean never considered giving him the benefit of the doubt for either, the first in particular didn't need a booking and he let a number of similar challenges go after it, it was a typical "I'm in charge here" booking from a ref who thinks he needs to show how tough he is early on.
I'm seen people get straight reds for leading with the elbow like that.
I have no issue with the 2nd yellow (a straight red would've been harsh in my opinion) the first was a shit decision, as we 2-3 others we got (the Targett one was particularly pathetic and Cash was the only player booked for shirt pulling despite both teams doing plenty of it).
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Martinez very solid. Lots of comfortable saves but good mentality and no mistakes.
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How many fouls did Coady get away with?
It was a smash and grab, Martinez was superb, kept us in it.
3 points now go and win the next 2.
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With Burnley and Albion next up, we really should be able to go into Christmas in a very good position.
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Cards aside, I thought luiz was the best outfield player today contrast his powder puff performance last season at the molineux, he's really stepped up. Battling performance by him, never easy having to babysit a rookie however Ramsey got stuck in too and only had one shakey moment.
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With Burnley and Albion next up, we really should be able to go into Christmas in a very good position.
Nooooo don't say that but we really should.
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Wolves a point ahead of where they were at this stage last season, apparently. Meaning what exactly, they'll even more comfortably not win anything nor qualify for anything?
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Great win from the lads and brilliant from Martinez again.
Six wins already!
Fantastic.
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Great result. Lovely to get these late wins instead of the opposite happening to us. Six wins out of ten - delighted.
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Martinez very solid. Lots of comfortable saves but good mentality and no mistakes.
He makes things look comfortable though. No fuss about anything. The defenders must have so much confidence in him compared to someone like Nyland for example.
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Terrible performance but a win! Maybe those are the best ones. Thought the peno was harsh enough too but we deserved that after the shite of the last 2 games. We were light years better at West Ham and got nothing, that's football I guess but two suspensions now for the next day.
Martinez was excellent, defence with exception of Mings were decent, Targett particularly did well against Traore. Ramsey was ok and finished strong. That aside, we were average to very poor. Grealish played like he had a hangover in the second half. McGinn up to winning the peno was dreadful again, Traore a waste of space, Luiz indisciplined throughout and possibly could have got a straight red for that elbow.
Martinez 8, Cash 7, Konsa 7, Mings 5, Targett 7, Luiz 4, McGinn 4, Ramsey 6, Traore 3, Watkins 5 Grealish 5
Luiz had 100% pass accuracy today apparently.
Didn't think he showed for the ball anywhere near enough . McGinn and Ramsey were too far ahead of the ball most of the time too. Centre halves forced to go long as a result . Thought he was terrible for one of the Wolves chances, showing Neto I think inside for a free shot
Ridiculous tackle from him at the end, cowardly too with elbow so high. Sold his teammates out.
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Great result and nice to win at the death.
Saw the 1st half, but not the 2nd. Always felt with that ref there was going to be a sending off or 2.
Martinez is immense and proving to be the best of the buys so far. UTV and f-ck off dogheads!
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No Zoom chat for this? I was looking forward to it! Fuck Wulvs!
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Unlucky West Brom already 1 down.
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Fantastic win against a massive bunch of twats.
Well done me babbies.
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Another game missed. Another victory. A pattern might be emerging here...
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We've beaten three of the better teams in the league away from home already and been well worth the win on all three occasions.
Hammered the current champions at home n'all.
Today's win wasn't as impressive as those other games, but the players must increasingly feel if the game gets into the latter stages and it's level we're as likely to win as the opposition.
Whereas last season there was a crushing inevitability about a late leveller or loss from a promising position.
We are still a work in progress. But if we get to seven wins on the board pretty quickly from this point on, talk of European qualification won't seem the stuff of magic mushrooms.
Not that I think we'll do it (or that it should be expected at this juncture). But it would be nice to be in the reckoning for that rather than the stress we all collectively endured last year.
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Absolutely chuffed, couldn't see us winning after the sending off, good pen from Anwar and a good post match interview, his English is excellent.
Emi superb and also the back four did well, Targett had his best game for a while, also credit to Ollie held the ball up well, when under pressure, hopefully Barkley will be back for Thursday.
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It just does not get better than a 94th minute winner. At Wolves.
Great bottle shown by El Ghazi. Fantastic, man.
A great Heskey header late on at Molineux from a Warnock (?) cross in Houllier's first game in charge was pretty special.
Edit, here it is. What a header from Emu!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6nuhgQxyAFc
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No free flowIng football, but a gritty dogged performance, love it! Villa never do this, I was convinced with 10 to go, wolves would score and it would be one of those villa performances that just drifted into nothing. But these lads this season don’t give up, even when their not on top form and down to 10 men. Loved the way Martinez gathered the players together at the end, seems like a top bloke as well as top keeper.
Thought the whole defence played well, Targett in particular and good to see Cash attacking in the 2nd half. Midfield a little lightweight at times, thought Watkins actually ran the line well and kept their defence busy. Let’s not f*ck up it up on Thursday against Burnley’s bruisers
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With Burnley and Albion next up, we really should be able to go into Christmas in a very good position.
FFS! That's as bad as saying 'RIP' in the Deathwatch thread!
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Could not give a toss who it was against, that's a fantastic and important three points.
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My company has a box at the theatre of unrealistic expectations aka Moulinex. They’ve all been giving it the big build up this week, convinced that they would win, mind the gap etc.
I’m looking forward to seeing their faces on Monday now that they’ve lost their cup final. So nice to see the natural order of things being restored.
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Cards aside, I thought luiz was the best outfield player today contrast his powder puff performance last season at the molineux, he's really stepped up. Battling performance by him, never easy having to babysit a rookie however Ramsey got stuck in too and only had one shakey moment.
I thought it was his worst performance in a long time often getting bypassed by the Wolves midfield.
El Ghazi took his penalty beautifully even if everybody except Rui Patricio knew he could only hit it to the right due to the short run up. I hate short run-ups but not for one milisecond did I think we was going to miss.
Scrappy game, typical local derby, not helped by Mike Dean. Against that lot I'll take an ugly win. Martinez may have won MOTM but I was impressed with Semedo who kept Jack relatively quiet like few can but to get nutmegged by SJM and then give away a penalty didn't do him any favours. I had wondered where Wolves found him and have just discovered they paid £35m to Benfica! PMSL
Oh and to top it off, Dingles on molineuxmush are in meltdown. Enjoy your weekend, ladies and gentlemen.
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Feeling a bit under the weather today but that has gone a long way to making me feel better. Well done and thanks Villa.
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4 wins on the road and we haven't conceded at all. Only blemish is that travesty at Wet Spam. Deserved to win that as well.
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Draw probably fair result but these things even out - we deserved a draw at WHU but got robbed, so we deserved a break.
Our away form has been very good - need to fix our home record starting this week with the game on Thursday. Win that and we will be comfortably in top half of the table
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https://www.skysports.com/football/wolves-vs-a-villa/report/428956
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There was a few on here in the week saying we only turn up against the big teams and can't do it against the shit teams. I trust they've changed their mind this afternoon.
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4 wins on the road and we haven't conceded at all. Only blemish is that travesty at Wet Spam. Deserved to win that as well.
Pretty phenomenal from the boys. 4 wins from 5 on the road without conceding a single goal. Incredible stat considering our recent record.
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Well that’s made my weekend.
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Great result and nice to win at the death.
Saw the 1st half, but not the 2nd. Always felt with that ref there was going to be a sending off or 2.
I watched all of it expect injury time due to an issue with coffee bean grinder...Duh!
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Fantastic. Gritty performance, Martinez and Targett outstanding, thought Ramsey did really well too. More points in our away games so far than in the entirety of last season. We’ve come a long way.
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Martinez very solid. Lots of comfortable saves but good mentality and no mistakes.
He makes things look comfortable though. No fuss about anything. The defenders must have so much confidence in him compared to someone like Nyland for example.
I'm going to assume it's more to do with his positioning, but nothing looks out of his reach. At his best, it's like we've got Mr. Tickle in goal.
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I'd hardly call it a terrible performance (laughably way over the top) but it wasn't the greatest of derbies but having no crowd in there didn't help. The keeper kept us in it at times but we dug in after going down to 10 men and kept going. If anything was terrible, it was probbaly the ref. Now, if we could just sort out our home from
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Well that’s made my weekend.
Yup. Now I am going to watch all the live games with glee. If we had lost football was dead to me till next Sunday.
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Fantastic win, although they had a short spell when Emi made a few saves, overall it was a tight game in which I thought we were very slightly the better team. I'd have snapped your hand off for the draw after Duggie was sent off so hats off to McGinn & Jack for taking the opportunity to attack that deep in the game.
Something that really pisses me off is that nearly every single foul now has to be a yellow card, Dug's first and Targetts were so soft its unreal, as was Moutinho's second.
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Is that dog head bell end on Twiter going to have a song this weekend about beating us?
Thought not
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Genuinely saddened to see how our faggot-eating brethren are taking this.
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the last few seasons Wolves have had a lot better team than us
Even Last season they were far superior
we have caught up now,
they might have a bit stronger squad but first team 11 v 11 there’s nothing in it and i wouldn’t swap
just shows how far we came with our signings in pre season
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Something that really pisses me off is that nearly every single foul now has to be a yellow card, Dug's first and Targetts were so soft its unreal, as was Moutinho's second.
Unless of course the fouls are committed against a certain J. Grealish, in which case you're allowed ten before the ref shows a card of any description.
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the last few seasons Wolves have had a lot better team than us
Even Last season they were far superior
we have caught up now,
they might have a bit stronger squad but first team 11 v 11 there’s nothing in it and i wouldn’t swap
just shows how far we came with our signings in pre season
Without question, they were miles better than us last season. Nice to see that isn’t the case now.
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They don’t look like the side from last season, something not right at the Dingles. Long may it continue.
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They don’t look like the side from last season, something not right at the Dingles. Long may it continue.
I've no idea why they sold Jota, he was excellent for them. Such a good player.
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They sold Jota and Jarvis, Traore is miles off the form of last season, and Jiminez got a nasty head inury.
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Absolutely delighted with that. Just a shame none of us there to revel in it. Well done lads , now please don’t screw it up against Burnley.
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Quick quiz - what was the last game we won on a Saturday?
Bonus point - what was the game we last won on a Saturday before that?
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I just watched the replay of the penalty. First a brilliant penalty by AEG. But watch Jack. He fucking takes AEG to the corner to celebrate and goes fucking mental. Absolute love it!
Great leadership and great decision from Jack to hand the ball to Anwar.
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They're still a decent team with technical players who are dangerous. Every team we beat doesn't have to be shit/not as good as they were. Brighton fans probably think that about us. We dug in today, got a bit of luck and hopefully we can turn on the style a bit at home in the next couple of games.
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They don’t look like the side from last season, something not right at the Dingles. Long may it continue.
I've no idea why they sold Jota, he was excellent for them. Such a good player.
I'd guess they didn't have much choice, without any proof whatsoever I think if Mendes wants a player sold and some profit then he goes. I think any team in the league would miss Jiminez, the replacement looked a little raw despite hitting the post.
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They sold Jota and Jarvis, Traore is miles off the form of last season, and Jiminez got a nasty head inury.
And Neves is struggling. They are a tired squad now and Mendes is bored because his objective to sell on as many as possible has not worked to plan.
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Chuffed with the three points, would have happily taken the 0-0 after we went down to 10 men. Ref was utter w**k, seems like any type of contact now leads to a booking.
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Delighted with this win, thought they would be a bit to strong for us today. Credit to us though we stuck at it even down to ten men, there really does seem a togetherness with this team and a trust in each other long may it continue
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Martinez 9 - brilliant
Cash 6 - liked him going forward but found Neto (who was excellent) tough going
Targett 8 - kept Traore fairly quiet
Mings - 6 better but still a first half rick
Konza - 7.5 consistent as usual
Doug -6 thought he wasn’t as strong on 50/50 balls as usual
Jack -6.5 Saturday morning ko blues? But still an influence.
McGinn -5 poor
Traore -4 ok second half but first half was dreadful. Comically so at times
Watkins - 6 Some great ball control but not his day
Ramsey -6.5 I loved his maturity in separating some of his older team mates from Wolves players in potential spats. Impressive and played well.
Anwar - 7 for the pen of course
Mike Dean - 1 Truly awful display, most of the yellows were unnecessary, the Moutinho red was a disgrace and if I’m perfectly honest not even sure it was a pen. Somehow he seems to increase frayed tempers rather than calm them. That said, as a West Ham fan mate of mine said afterwards, at least we’re discussing human error and vanity instead of VAR.
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Winning ugly is far preferable to losing prettily.
We were nowhere near our best but once Jasper Carrot decided every foul was a card he killed the game. We’ve read this week that we are the only team whose press has got better this season, with refereeing like that you can’t press & tackle.
Thought the keeper and centre halves did well today, we largely shut down Adama which was as much from him being wasteful Adama as it was from our closing down on him.
Wolves double teaming Jack was something we didn’t really take advantage of but we were probably doing the same on Adama.
Traore for me hasn’t quite settled into the pattern of play, hopefully that is a matter of time rather than being something that doesn’t happen.
Anwar, you are now off the naughty step for the bottle job against Everton at end of last season :-)
Ps - reminder to some that we did actually win the game :-)
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They don’t look like the side from last season, something not right at the Dingles. Long may it continue.
I've no idea why they sold Jota, he was excellent for them. Such a good player.
I'd guess they didn't have much choice, without any proof whatsoever I think if Mendes wants a player sold and some profit then he goes. I think any team in the league would miss Jiminez, the replacement looked a little raw despite hitting the post.
Playing for the current league champions under a manager like Klopp is a no brainer for most players. Fending off Man U is one thing, not sure Jack would be here if Liverpool had come calling.
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I've no idea why they sold Jota, he was excellent for them. Such a good player.
Don't forget they are still a small club from a sad little town. Their natural place is second tier.
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They sold Jota and Jarvis, Traore is miles off the form of last season, and Jiminez got a nasty head inury.
Not sure selling Jarvis 8 years ago has had much impact this year tbh.
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They sold Jota and Jarvis, Traore is miles off the form of last season, and Jiminez got a nasty head inury.
Yep, they have been fortunate over the past few seasons that they had very few injuries and that pretty much every player they signed seemed to work out.
We saw last season how thin their squad was in that League Cup tie, so it is no real surprise they are not doing as well now they have had a few injuries.
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I've no idea why they sold Jota, he was excellent for them. Such a good player.
Don't forget they are still a small club from a sad little town. Their natural place is second tier.
This is the truth.
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We certainly FTFEDF!
The two French commentators on RMC Sports were loving it. On 90 minutes they were saying it might be 0-0 but it's been a cracking match.
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I've no idea why they sold Jota, he was excellent for them. Such a good player.
Don't forget they are still a small club from a sad little town. Their natural place is second tier.
There is nothing sad about the home of orange chips and the Great Western.
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Totally over the moon getting 3 pts. Lots to discuss for sure with the main point being about refs being consistent. However when you compare us to 12 months ago a minor miracle has happened and I will take that everyday of the week.
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Makes the weekend so much better with a win under our belts doesn't it?
Would have taken 0-0 but delighted with the smash and grab. We look hard to beat away from home.
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They sold Jota and Jarvis, Traore is miles off the form of last season, and Jiminez got a nasty head inury.
Not sure selling Jarvis 8 years ago has had much impact this year tbh.
I was scratching my head there as well, I take it Docherty was the player meant.
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Makes the weekend so much better with a win under our belts doesn't it?
Would have taken 0-0 but delighted with the smash and grab. We look hard to beat away from home.
I agree as I would have taken a point , although it wasn't a total smash and grab. They had some good chances but we weren't under the cosh for long periods.
Generally the defence was solid again which was a big plus.
Dean set the tone by booking players early on and then took it from there.
I wasn't sure again about Traore and I actually though Ramsey was very quiet although that's in the context of a full league debut.
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Interview with the match winner. Interesting that Jack gave him the ball for the penalty.
https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/1337768731758514176?s=09
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They sold Jota and Jarvis, Traore is miles off the form of last season, and Jiminez got a nasty head inury.
Not sure selling Jarvis 8 years ago has had much impact this year tbh.
I was scratching my head there as well, I take it Docherty was the player meant.
Yes just checked and it's Matthew Doherty knowns as Jarvis.
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We're in the villa!
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Great result
Not everyone was a world beater today but, Hey Ho
special mention for Martinez and Ramsey
Luiz was stupid with the second booking and not yet convinced by Trarore
Mings had a couple of moments but we won so , YEEESSS
PS the ref was an absolute Twat
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They sold Jota and Jarvis, Traore is miles off the form of last season, and Jiminez got a nasty head inury.
Not sure selling Jarvis 8 years ago has had much impact this year tbh.
I was scratching my head there as well, I take it Docherty was the player meant.
Indeed. Please forgive my old age!
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Targett played excellently. It needs to be said.
I thought McGinn looked a lot better than of late, but still has a way to go before re-capturing his previous form.
Watkins gave Coady a hard time, and I'm surprised Coady didn't get booked.
I thought we might have seen Guilbert for the last 15 minutes; just in case he's called upon next week.
Unlike seemingly many others on here, I thought we played some neat football at times; yes, there's a way to go yet but we should remember we are still very much a team in transition.
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They don’t look like the side from last season, something not right at the Dingles. Long may it continue.
To be fair they’ve Jota and Jimenez for different reasons, probably their best 2 attacking players.
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So pleased with the result and a clean sheet Emi was brilliant well taken penalty by Anwar.
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Good sides turns draws and ok performances into wins. We did the same away at Leicester. It's a good habit to get into. We did the opposite against West Ham.
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That is such a good interview from Ghazi. I want him to start next game now based on a penalty and an interview FFS!
In all seriousness, see a chance coming for him here. Would love him to take it.
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That is such a good interview from Ghazi. I want him to start next game now based on a penalty and an interview FFS!
In all seriousness, see a chance coming for him here. Would love him to take it.
He's been getting more cameo appearances of late (which suggests to me he's shown a good attitude in training) and we're coming into a bit of a hectic time so he will likely get chances.
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They don’t look like the side from last season, something not right at the Dingles. Long may it continue.
I've no idea why they sold Jota, he was excellent for them. Such a good player.
Doherty is another big loss for them.
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They don’t look like the side from last season, something not right at the Dingles. Long may it continue.
I've no idea why they sold Jota, he was excellent for them. Such a good player.
Doherty is another big loss for them.
Not sure how much say they get
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That’s what happens when you make a deal with the devil. They get some very talented players but they likely will sell them all on. Wolves is a stepping stone club for Mendes clients. But it has worked so far to get them to the upper half of the PL and I’m sure it you asked their fans 3 years ago if they’d have taken this, but with limitations on how far it might be able to go I doubt any of them would have turned it down.
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They don’t look like the side from last season, something not right at the Dingles. Long may it continue.
I've no idea why they sold Jota, he was excellent for them. Such a good player.
Doherty is another big loss for them.
Not sure how much say they get
I did have a little titter to myself when the commentator suggested wolves had done some scouting when it came to acquiring silva.
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They don’t look like the side from last season, something not right at the Dingles. Long may it continue.
I've no idea why they sold Jota, he was excellent for them. Such a good player.
Doherty is another big loss for them.
Not sure how much say they get
I did have a little titter to myself when the commentator suggested wolves had done some scouting when it came to acquiring silva.
Me too. I doubt they’d heard of him until Jorge decided he needed to bank £7m in fees for the transfer of a teenage footballer.
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They don’t look like the side from last season, something not right at the Dingles. Long may it continue.
I've no idea why they sold Jota, he was excellent for them. Such a good player.
Doherty is another big loss for them.
Not sure how much say they get
I did have a little titter to myself when the commentator suggested wolves had done some scouting when it came to acquiring silva.
The comedy there was when they said Wolves had took a punt on him at 35m :-) dodgy as that arrangement with Uncle Jorge
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We never seem to have too much fluency to our play at the Custard Bowl.
It was a bit of a drab affair, which away from home is no bad thing really, but we did the fundamentals well. We defended and competed strongly, decent press out of possession. Bit sloppy at times in dangerous areas, as their main focus of attack was using their front 3 on the break.
It didn't help with the endless stoppages and bookings, which nullified a few of our players. Silly sending off for Dougie, but we kept going.
They had a couple of chances where you thought they might score; the post and Dendonker effort, but everything else was quite routine for Martinez. We didn't work their keeper enough, but they're defensively very strong and quite compact, so opportunities are hard to come by.
4 clean sheets away from home, 4 away wins, double last seasons win tally is fantastic. We are on the same points now as we were on 20 games last season.
Its going well.
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Bloody lovely. I could only see the first half and then was in a reception black spot for the second. From what I saw Emi was excellent.
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Villa were jammy today. But it feels so good when we do the ram raid and get the points! Pretty even game. I’ve not seen any stats, but it seemed to me, we had the better possession, but Wolves had the better quality overall. Some fantastic saves from Martinez, players chucking themselves at everything on both sides. Mike Dean is a c**t of a referee.
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Haven't posted for a while
But me and my good lady and mr Jameson celebrating a great result against Real Madrid oops i mean wolves
Normal service resumed
Well done boys !
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What I love about this team is how we keep going and going until the last kick. We have been involved in so many incidents right at the death this season because we are pushing and pushing.
How many times over the years have we watched Villa call it a day with 10 mins to go, and let games peter out to nothing.
that is very true. Great to see us battling to the end. After Martinez, I’d pick Ramsey as MOTM. Proper scrapper.
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If you need to make up your salt in take for the day, Mol Mix is the place to go for premium saltiness.
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Villa were jammy today. But it feels so good when we do the ram raid and get the points! Pretty even game. I’ve not seen any stats, but it seemed to me, we had the better possession, but Wolves had the better quality overall. Some fantastic saves from Martinez, players chucking themselves at everything on both sides. Mike Dean is a c**t of a referee.
No, we weren't jammy.
We battled it out and got the break at the end.
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I struggle to recall times past where we'd been sat on a point and down to ten with five plus stoppage to go and we'd still pressed for a winner.
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When Dougie got sent off I was hoping, thanks to Emi's brilliance, we would hold out for a point. It got to the 94th minute and the ball was near the safety of the corner flag. Cue for John McGinn to decide to tear into the area and win a penalty, very efficiently dispatched by Anwar. You can't beat that for a smash and grab!
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I think the stop start shape of the game helped us.
We are a team capable of putting moves together from scratch rather than only relying on pace and counterattacks.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/55288988
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Won those games in hand and we go Top and top clear providing we hand Newcastle and Man City a good hiding.
Villa have to be one of if not the best away side in the league
Way we perform and get wins and clean sheets- brilliant!
I'm with Dean only one match were we wee soundly beaten and even then we should have had the lead
Very healthy position and win Thursday and Sunday should be enjoying run up to Xmas
Unbelievable by McGinn today really good forays and kept going.
Superb way he won that penalty.
If he hadn't been on a yellow he would have been less restricted
Emi Martinez fine keeper.
El Ghazi stepped up well, disappointed Grealish didn't take it and was pretty average today and provided worst tackle in the game
Great contribution late on for the pen though and still a class act.
Few poor decisions by him in final third which still need improving
Thought Watkins did what he could and did one amazing turn and run towards goal
Good luck to him see quality there.
Up the Villa
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I struggle to recall times past where we'd been sat on a point and down to ten with five plus stoppage to go and we'd still pressed for a winner.
Even at our worst, we still look a threat up top. That's a big change from last year. Thought Watkins was poor today really but still a threat compared to likes of Samatta, Wesley and Davis last year.
No forward on bench today so we need to get a backup option in somehow in Jan.
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Agreed, but we have one out on loan at the moment.
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I struggle to recall times past where we'd been sat on a point and down to ten with five plus stoppage to go and we'd still pressed for a winner.
Even at our worst, we still look a threat up top. That's a big change from last year. Thought Watkins was poor today really but still a threat compared to likes of Samatta, Wesley and Davis last year.
No forward on bench today so we need to get a backup option in somehow in Jan.
I thought Watkins hold up play was brilliant.
Anybody else live amongst them? Fuck me they are not taking it well.
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I’ve got no problem with winning ugly, although I’m not sure that’s what we did
not much between the teams but no one was parking the bus
it’s when winning ugly becomes the only way, the preferred option
as with some of our ex managers that’s what I don’t like
I don’t think there was one outfield player who you could say had a really good game today and we still came away with the points
we also matched them in most areas of the pitch with a under par performance
I think that’s a pretty good sign for the future as we know we can and will play way better than that
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I struggle to recall times past where we'd been sat on a point and down to ten with five plus stoppage to go and we'd still pressed for a winner.
Even at our worst, we still look a threat up top. That's a big change from last year. Thought Watkins was poor today really but still a threat compared to likes of Samatta, Wesley and Davis last year.
No forward on bench today so we need to get a backup option in somehow in Jan.
I thought Watkins hold up play was brilliant.
Anybody else live amongst them? Fuck me they are not taking it well.
All gone quiet for and by me.
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I struggle to recall times past where we'd been sat on a point and down to ten with five plus stoppage to go and we'd still pressed for a winner.
Even at our worst, we still look a threat up top. That's a big change from last year. Thought Watkins was poor today really but still a threat compared to likes of Samatta, Wesley and Davis last year.
No forward on bench today so we need to get a backup option in somehow in Jan.
I thought Watkins hold up play was brilliant.
Anybody else live amongst them? Fuck me they are not taking it well.
All gone quiet for and by me.
Well I had to nip out towards the end of the second half and was expecting a text from my Wolves half of the family. Obviously it never came.
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I struggle to recall times past where we'd been sat on a point and down to ten with five plus stoppage to go and we'd still pressed for a winner.
Even at our worst, we still look a threat up top. That's a big change from last year. Thought Watkins was poor today really but still a threat compared to likes of Samatta, Wesley and Davis last year.
No forward on bench today so we need to get a backup option in somehow in Jan.
I thought Watkins hold up play was brilliant.
Anybody else live amongst them? Fuck me they are not taking it well.
All gone quiet for and by me.
In downtown Oaxaca there's a fella with a Dave Hill fringe but he claims to be more of a snooker fan.
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Proper shithouse win today. Mourinho would have been proud. UTV
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If you need to make up your salt in take for the day, Mol Mix is the place to go for premium saltiness.
They don't seem to like Jack much.
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Does any non-Villa West Midlands based fan?
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I struggle to recall times past where we'd been sat on a point and down to ten with five plus stoppage to go and we'd still pressed for a winner.
Even at our worst, we still look a threat up top. That's a big change from last year. Thought Watkins was poor today really but still a threat compared to likes of Samatta, Wesley and Davis last year.
No forward on bench today so we need to get a backup option in somehow in Jan.
I thought Watkins hold up play was brilliant.
Anybody else live amongst them? Fuck me they are not taking it well.
All gone quiet for and by me.
In downtown Oaxaca there's a fella with a Dave Hill fringe but he claims to be more of a snooker fan.
Not heard a peep from the ones I know since half time.
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I’ve not baited any of my tatter mates, their big game, not ours.
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It’s great to break our run of losing against small teams.
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Because of the above, we've allowed teams like Villa, West Ham, Everton and Southampton etc to overtake us and leave us behind now. Our stint as 'Midlands no 1' has come to an end after a massive TWO years :tearsofjoy:
That from MM. Anyone would think they had been lauding it over us their whole existence.
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It’s great to break our run of losing against small teams.
Likes.
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They certainty are not happy are they !
I'm slap bang in the middle of them
As I said to them earlier on
We'm villa aye we !
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Because of the above, we've allowed teams like Villa, West Ham, Everton and Southampton etc to overtake us and leave us behind now. Our stint as 'Midlands no 1' has come to an end after a massive TWO years :tearsofjoy:
That from MM. Anyone would think they had been lauding it over us their whole existence.
Do they know where Leicester is?
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Because of the above, we've allowed teams like Villa, West Ham, Everton and Southampton etc to overtake us and leave us behind now. Our stint as 'Midlands no 1' has come to an end after a massive TWO years :tearsofjoy:
That from MM. Anyone would think they had been lauding it over us their whole existence.
That fucking club 😂😂
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Good to see our keeper getting credit on MOTD. I think he has been excellent for us this season.
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People saying were lucky? Nope, we spent £18m on one of the best keepers in Europe.
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Mike Dean. No doubts his bestie Dopey Dermot will stick up for him on Monday morning in his Sky Refwatch shite. Something like 9 yellow cards and two reds. Anyone would think that it was a game of carnage when there was hardly a bad foul in the game. Absolutely crazy refereeing. I appreciate you cannot lead with your elbow when jumping, but Luiz's first booking was harsh in the extreme.
Anyway, great win, when we didn't play brilliantly, but we weren't crap either. Mind the gap now you knobbers!!
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Dean at 3000+ now. What a career he is without equals.
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I’m sure some of their fans fell asleep at the end of the 50’s and didn’t wake up until 3 years ago, then the children of these parents haven’t been told about how Wolves had to train in Asda’s car park.
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They are very upset that we turned up at the" theatre of the deluded " and had the audacity to take all the points home
Oh happy days !
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It just does not get better than a 94th minute winner. At Wolves.
Great bottle shown by El Ghazi. Fantastic, man.
A great Heskey header late on at Molineux from a Warnock (?) cross in Houllier's first game in charge was pretty special.
Edit, here it is. What a header from Emu!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6nuhgQxyAFc
One of the best away games I’ve ever been to
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Likewise. Tremendous fun. Also enjoyed the game where we won because of two Robbie Keane screamers, and a game where we were four-nil up and they were streaming out at half time. Had some lovely days out at Molineux.
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Villa were jammy today. But it feels so good when we do the ram raid and get the points! Pretty even game. I’ve not seen any stats, but it seemed to me, we had the better possession, but Wolves had the better quality overall. Some fantastic saves from Martinez, players chucking themselves at everything on both sides. Mike Dean is a c**t of a referee.
No, we weren't jammy.
We battled it out and got the break at the end.
I thought we were jammy. On another day they could’ve been at least 2-0 up before the penalty. And it didn’t really look like a penalty to me either. Glad we won, but it was one of those games where we got a lot of luck instead of none at all.
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2019/20 Aston Villa away (19 games): 11 points
2020/21 Aston Villa away (5 games): 12 points.
We are MUCH braver this season. No way would last year's Villa have been chasing a winner with a man disadvantage away to a team that has spent the last two years competing in and around the European places.
The whole mindset has changed and the manager, coaching staff and players all deserve shitloads of credit.
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Agreed, but we have one out on loan at the moment.
How’s he getting on?
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I would love to see Samatta get another chance with us. In this team with more confidence and better players.
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I think the lad Ramsey has a bright future ahead of him if he keeps his head down and keeps learning he has a kind of aura of belonging at this level which I guess is quite rare for a player of his age. He may not start the next game, but he definitely staked a claim today. Hopefully he’ll be selected in merit and not out of necessity in the coming months. Very promising youngster.
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I would love to see Samatta get another chance with us. In this team with more confidence and better players.
I thought that we’d sold him. Where is he?
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I would love to see Samatta get another chance with us. In this team with more confidence and better players.
I thought that we’d sold him. Where is he?
On loan at Fenerbache
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Ah that’s right he went on loan. Any idea how he’s going on in Turkey?
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Two goals in his second game, none in the half a dozen that followed and he's out injured for a while now.
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Oh. Sounds like best he stays there then.
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Darius wrote a best selling book in the same situation. Sitting on his arse in Turkey.
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Samatta isn’t good enough for what we are building. We are only just getting started, but we are definitely moving the right way.
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We sold him, he's not on loan.
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Villa were jammy today. But it feels so good when we do the ram raid and get the points! Pretty even game. I’ve not seen any stats, but it seemed to me, we had the better possession, but Wolves had the better quality overall. Some fantastic saves from Martinez, players chucking themselves at everything on both sides. Mike Dean is a c**t of a referee.
No, we weren't jammy.
We battled it out and got the break at the end.
I thought we were jammy. On another day they could’ve been at least 2-0 up before the penalty. And it didn’t really look like a penalty to me either. Glad we won, but it was one of those games where we got a lot of luck instead of none at all.
They hit the post so we were lucky to get away with that. Otherwise Emi made one great save, no luck involved there and as for the pen, as stonewall as penalties come. It was a scrappy even game and we tried to win it and did.
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Well we were "unjammy" at West Ham so I am sure things even themselves out over a season apart from the dreaded VAR
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Martinez was worth every penny. Nice ground out win when I thought a draw was on the cards. Let’s do Burnley and not gift a chrimbo prezzie to the bitters.
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There's nothing jammy about having a goal keeper make consistent saves that are routine. That's what you get when you pay good money for an excellent one.
The game was petering out for a draw, but despite having 10 men, we went on the attack. Why is that jammy?
The Wolves were jammy that an obvious handball wasn't given. That was balanced out with the ball hitting the post.
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The ball hits the post, it's not on target. That's not being jammy it's the attacker not being good enough.
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We got the rub of the green as they say. We didn't against Brighton or West Ham, the later which we should have walked away with. Every game we compete and have a chance in, even on days we are not at our best.
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I would love to see Samatta get another chance with us. In this team with more confidence and better players.
No thanks. Samatta is not the answer.
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All about perspective Ads. I don’t do stats unless someone shoves them my way. On what I saw today, Villa deserved a point. It was a jammy penalty, but we got the win. Happy Days!
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We sold him, he's not on loan.
I think technically it's both - he's on loan, but with one of those "automatically signs permanently at the end of it" type dealies.
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The ball hits the post, it's not on target. That's not being hammy it's the attacker not being good enough.
youve even said we were lucky in your Birmingham live post or whatever it is!
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All about perspective Ads. I don’t do stats unless someone shoves them my way. On what I saw today, Villa deserved a point. It was a jammy penalty, but we got the win. Happy Days!
I’m not sure how it’s a jammy penalty. McGinn surprised him by taking him on which caused him to commit the foul.
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I don't see how we were jammy at all.
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Yesterday was football, that’s all and it went our way. Martinez was superb as was Targett and I really liked the look of Ramsey. Think Bertie will get better over time (see also Trez and AEG 1st 6 months) and SJG looked better. Shame about Luis and Cash but couldn’t argue with those bookings despite Dean being card happy elsewhere.
Great win which over the balance of our last 2 games we deserved points wise. The fact that it came against those deluded, backward wannabes made it all the more delicious. We’ll now need to go on and make it count against Burnley and Olbiyun.
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I give up- just very pleased with the 3 points
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Sorry Dave read your Birmingham live post again my earlier comments weren’t warranted. Still think we were lucky today
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We were 1-0 down with 10 men at Rotherham in the middle of our 10 game winning run in the championship. This was a key win on the way to promotion. How many other managers would go for it in these situations like we did yesterday again? Viva Deano.
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The ball hits the post, it's not on target. That's not being jammy it's the attacker not being good enough.
Yep - amuses me when people count the woodwork as 'in ... but not quite'!
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All about perspective Ads. I don’t do stats unless someone shoves them my way. On what I saw today, Villa deserved a point. It was a jammy penalty, but we got the win. Happy Days!
why was the penalty jammy?
They had enough chances to win the game and didn’t.
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I’m sure some of their fans fell asleep at the end of the 50’s and didn’t wake up until 3 years ago, then the children of these parents haven’t been told about how Wolves had to train in Asda’s car park.
Rumplewolfskins.
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I know its been covered before, but I have only just watched the game this morning on MOTD, it says so much for the character of the team, and its ethos, that down to 10 men and in added time, we get a penalty. It would be so easy to close things down to keep a point. Or it may be that if they ever do draw a game they are made to do the washing-up all week...
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My 2 biggest disappointments about yesterday:
1) Not being in the away end celebrating like a madman with 3,000 others.
2) Not even having 2,000 of their lot socially distanced and distanced from reality, crying salty tears for the cameras.
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That was a superb ground out performance from the boys. Mike Dean wanted to be the centre of attention as ever and at least two of the bookings were unwarranted. Martinez has to be our best keeper in a long time. It boggles my mind to think why Arsenal sold him? Jack had a quiet game by his standards but still did enough to rattle the dingles a few times. Also a big shout out to Matt Targett. I've been his biggest critic but he made me eat my words yesterday. He was excellent and also brave which is something else I've accused him of not being. All in all a great victory in the circumstances. Jammy? I don't think so. A well deserved victory and once again var showed how wildly inconsistent they are with it. That was a nailed on pen for handball 99 times out of 100 these days.
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Both penalty decisions were correct.
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Another great away result.
Probably strange to say, but I actually like watching Wolves, they have quality throughout their squad.
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Both penalty decisions were correct.
I don’t think the first one was correct, i think it was a pen. He leans across to head the ball but it misses his head and hits his arm. If you going to do that, you have to ensure you make contact with your head.
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Both penalty decisions were correct.
I don’t think the first one was correct, i think it was a pen. He leans across to head the ball but it misses his head and hits his arm. If you going to do that, you have to ensure you make contact with your head.
Exactly . There was no reason for his elbow to be sticking out like that. In the half time analysis they said that the var explanation made no sense. It was claimed that the ball didn't hit the "handball zone" which starts from the line on a player's arm where a short sleeved shirt ends. It clearly hit his arm in line with his elbow. It was a penalty.
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I think the first pen would have been harsh, even if welcome. He did attempt to lower his head to it. The second one definatley was I thought.
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Villa should definitely have had a penalty for handball in the first half, but then I've come to expect f-ck all from var. I'm wondering whether the ball being in play for so long afterwards didn't help what should have been an obvious award.
The dogheads are the jammy ones, not least for this but also the fact that they had a ref determined to try and book as many Villa players as he could (early on) in order to make them wary of a sending off. It's not jammy that a good goalkeeper is doing his job by making saves. UTV.
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I have to hold my hands up, in the match thread i said we should take the draw and not go looking for the win after our red card. Hush my mouth. That was a big win for us. A defeat would have dropped us to 14th. Although there's no chance of us being relegated i'd like us to avoid the bottom third of the table this season.
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Another great away result.
Probably strange to say, but I actually like watching Wolves, they have quality throughout their squad.
Agreed Wolves do have quality throughout but it is deployed so conservatively there are very dull and it will catch up with them eventually when their deluded followers, fans and media, realise it. Look at the build up to the penalty yesterday. 6 of our 9 outfield players in the final third 6 of theirs further back.
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Wolves had the better chances, more of them in the last 20 minutes and up until the penalty we were all wishing for a point. If that had been us we would have been spitting how "jammy/lucky" they were. Just like I was seething at West Ham supporting colleagues last week.
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I think the Wolves are one of the dullest sides in the league. They were last season with a goal scorer and they're even more tedious to watch this.
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Both penalty decisions were correct.
Or both wrong but balanced out....either way!
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Much like us they haven’t got great strength in depth. Their star is out and the struggle. A few injuries and the struggle further. It would be the same for us if we lost Grealish to a long injury.
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Don’t know if mentioned earlier, but their number 10 is clearly kicking Ramsey while their chap is being sent off!
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Yep, that was more of a booking than Moutinho's. I don't see why Ramsey would dive in that position as he was carrying the ball with confidence but the replays showed no contact on him.
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A fair reflection of four improvement this year. A game we would have contrived to lose 2-0 this time last season, but scraped a win in an even contest, without looking at our best. Well done chaps.
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Don’t know if mentioned earlier, but their number 10 is clearly kicking Ramsey while their chap is being sent off!
He’s not happy. Posting pics on Twitter of Traore going over for their penalty claim and then Ramsey down after the Moutinho tackle. Stops short of posting any pics of him attacking Ramsey though.
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I think the Wolves are one of the dullest sides in the league. They were last season with a goal scorer and they're even more tedious to watch this.
Thought Neto was superb yesterday. 20 years old and a player of huge potential. I guess he has effectively replaced Jota and Semedo has replaced Doherty from last season.
Traore threatened but didn't deliver much. They owned midfield in the second half and Semedo did a good job on Grealish too. Missing Jimenez but they created enough chances to win by a couple of goals let's be honest. Mourinho still a canny operator in midfield. They are a decent side and a win at their place is an excellent result.
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I don't know if this was discussed before the match but in the build up to the game Birmingham LIve asked their "experts" to pick a combined Wolves and Villa eleven. The majority verdict was 8 Wolves players and three Villa (Konsa, Luiz and Grealish). Occasional votes for Cash, Barclay and Mings. Not a single one chose Martinez. May I politely suggest they review their selections.
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Patricio is a great keeper tbf, he's a cock for wearing number 11 though.
Also I wouldn't swap Martinez for any other keeper in the League
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Wolves are cocks. They had a season last year where they picked up almost 0 injuries. Although I wish Jimenez all the best in his recovery, I couldn't give a fuck for them that he's out, that's what squads are for. No one gave it any consideration when we had our keeper, centre mid and striker out and had to play with a winger up top. It's tough shit. If they're so good they should be able to cope with 1 injury.
Titty babbies.
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I think the Wolves are one of the dullest sides in the league. They were last season with a goal scorer and they're even more tedious to watch this.
Thought Neto was superb yesterday. 20 years old and a player of huge potential. I guess he has effectively replaced Jota and Semedo has replaced Doherty from last season.
Traore threatened but didn't deliver much. They owned midfield in the second half and Semedo did a good job on Grealish too. Missing Jimenez but they created enough chances to win by a couple of goals let's be honest. Mourinho still a canny operator in midfield. They are a decent side and a win at their place is an excellent result.
It was a very good win, as only Man City had beaten them at home previously. But that's a separate point.
They set up to hit us on the break at home. Nothing wrong with that per se, but they're all about safety first. Just 2 goals conceded outside their defeats to us and Man City and the trade off being just 11 goals scored in 12 games. Zzzzzz. They're a dull, safety first, risk averse side.
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It was a very good win, as only Man City had beaten them at home previously. But that's a separate point.
They set up to hit us on the break at home. Nothing wrong with that per se, but they're all about safety first. Just 2 goals conceded outside their defeats to us and Man City and the trade off being just 11 goals scored in 12 games. Zzzzzz. They're a dull, safety first, risk averse side.
I'm not so sure that's fair Ads, it's just that their way of playing was a lot more effective last season. Jota is a big loss for them, as is Jiminez now he's out. Doherty was a big part of the way they play as well, and Traore has gone back to being shit. Part of it is that that unlike us, they're not big enough to hold onto their best players when other clubs come calling.
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It’s a big mustard coloured Portuguese player farm.
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It was a very good win, as only Man City had beaten them at home previously. But that's a separate point.
They set up to hit us on the break at home. Nothing wrong with that per se, but they're all about safety first. Just 2 goals conceded outside their defeats to us and Man City and the trade off being just 11 goals scored in 12 games. Zzzzzz. They're a dull, safety first, risk averse side.
I'm not so sure that's fair Ads, it's just that their way of playing was a lot more effective last season. Jota is a big loss for them, as is Jiminez now he's out. Doherty was a big part of the way they play as well, and Traore has gone back to being shit. Part of it is that that unlike us, they're not big enough to hold onto their best players when other clubs come calling.
If you read some of the dog head comments on MM they are getting tired with Nuno, the spoilt fucks. Because of what in part Ads is pointing. But you’re right they are also without some very talented players from last season.
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Only realised late last night that this win took us to 18 points after 10 games. A point more than we managed in the whole of the 2015/16 season.
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It also took us 19 games to get to 18 points last season so we we are well ahead.
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And at least three teems with 10 points fewer than us.
And we have 2 games in hand. So definetely better than last year.
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Agreed, but we have one out on loan at the moment.
How’s he getting on?
Sorry for the delay in replying. He's doing well and gaining invaluable experience. He is popular with their fans. Had a few starts and appearances as sub. Scored a couple of goals. All looking good. Back at the Villa in January.
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Does that mean his loan won't be extended there?
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Does that mean his loan won't be extended there?
Possibly, but nothing has been decided yet. I think the options would be extending the loan, another loan out at a League 1 or 2 club or (hopefully) reintegration with the first team squad.
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[They owned midfield in the second half ... they created enough chances to win by a couple of goals let's be honest.
I think this is plain wrong.
They didn't 'own' midfield and - whilst they created a couple of good chances - they didn't take them. We also created chances in the second half: Luiz, McGinn and Watkins all had good goalscoring chances.
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I’d like to see Barry on the bench soon.
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I like to go onto other teams forums after we've won and have a read, the general consesus this season is that we are a horribly niggly team. For years we have been a bit of a pushover, I love teams now looking at us in this way.
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[They owned midfield in the second half ... they created enough chances to win by a couple of goals let's be honest.
I think this is plain wrong.
They didn't 'own' midfield and - whilst they created a couple of good chances - they didn't take them. We also created chances in the second half: Luiz, McGinn and Watkins all had good goalscoring chances.
Glad you said this. 100% agree, them owning midfield is just watching a different game tbh.
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[They owned midfield in the second half ... they created enough chances to win by a couple of goals let's be honest.
I think this is plain wrong.
They didn't 'own' midfield and - whilst they created a couple of good chances - they didn't take them. We also created chances in the second half: Luiz, McGinn and Watkins all had good goalscoring chances.
According to MOTD our expected goals bettered theirs by 1.38 to 1.12.
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If Brontebilly won the lottery he'd moan that it was raining when he went to collect his winnings.
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[They owned midfield in the second half ... they created enough chances to win by a couple of goals let's be honest.
I think this is plain wrong.
They didn't 'own' midfield and - whilst they created a couple of good chances - they didn't take them. We also created chances in the second half: Luiz, McGinn and Watkins all had good goalscoring chances.
I think the watkins chance that deflected towards the bottom corner was the best save in the game and the closest either team came to scoring in open play.
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[They owned midfield in the second half ... they created enough chances to win by a couple of goals let's be honest.
I think this is plain wrong.
They didn't 'own' midfield and - whilst they created a couple of good chances - they didn't take them. We also created chances in the second half: Luiz, McGinn and Watkins all had good goalscoring chances.
Glad you said this. 100% agree, them owning midfield is just watching a different game tbh.
I think quite a few of their attacks came from us giving the ball away sloppily in the midfield area.
I wouldn't say either side really dominated during any part of the game really.
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Agreed, but we have one out on loan at the moment.
How’s he getting on?
Sorry for the delay in replying. He's doing well and gaining invaluable experience. He is popular with their fans. Had a few starts and appearances as sub. Scored a couple of goals. All looking good. Back at the Villa in January.
Glad he’s doing well, can only improve him and hope he’ll get a chance at Villa before long.
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Darius wrote a best selling book in the same situation. Sitting on his arse in Turkey.
I think Darius had a blog or something. It was unintentionally funny, with stories of his washing machine breaking down and other mundane shit, which just seemed funny in its every day banality to me. I felt sorry for him over there. Think he tried to do a self operation on his toe or something like that- might be wrong, memory’s not the best
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Darius wrote a best selling book in the same situation. Sitting on his arse in Turkey.
Think he tried to do a self operation on his toe or something like that- might be wrong, memory’s not the best
Wasn't that when he was with Man City? Had a blister on his toe so took a Black & Decker to it.
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According to MOTD our expected goals bettered theirs by 1.38 to 1.12.
Luffbralion can you explain that to me please. Is it we were .38 in 1 rather than .12 in 1 chance of scoring?
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According to MOTD our expected goals bettered theirs by 1.38 to 1.12.
Luffbralion can you explain that to me please. Is it we were .38 in 1 rather than .12 in 1 chance of scoring?
It suggests our attempts on goal would typically result in us scoring 1.38 goals in a game, with Wolves scoring 1.12.
xG assigns a value (0 - 1) to every shot based on historical data, of how likely it is to result in a goal. So a shot from the halfway line would be 0.01, whereas a shot to an open goal from the six yard box would something lime 0.98. So the better chances you have, the higher your xG would be. Over the course of a season, is a good measure of whether you are unlucky or not.
Case in point - our game against Southampton, our xG was 2.52, Southampton's was 0.86. But we lost due to them scoring two direct free kicks (normally quite unlikely to go in), and a 25 yard screamer from Ings. Efforts which probably 9/10 don't go in.
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Thank you. I assume xG is worked out by an algorithm following TV feed rather than someone sitting there with a pen and paper doing it subjectively and estimating? :)
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According to MOTD our expected goals bettered theirs by 1.38 to 1.12.
Luffbralion can you explain that to me please. Is it we were .38 in 1 rather than .12 in 1 chance of scoring?
It suggests our attempts on goal would typically result in us scoring 1.38 goals in a game, with Wolves scoring 1.12.
xG assigns a value (0 - 1) to every shot based on historical data, of how likely it is to result in a goal. So a shot from the halfway line would be 0.01, whereas a shot to an open goal from the six yard box would something lime 0.98. So the better chances you have, the higher your xG would be. Over the course of a season, is a good measure of whether you are unlucky or not.
Case in point - our game against Southampton, our xG was 2.52, Southampton's was 0.86. But we lost due to them scoring two direct free kicks (normally quite unlikely to go in), and a 25 yard screamer from Ings. Efforts which probably 9/10 don't go in.
God help us.
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According to MOTD our expected goals bettered theirs by 1.38 to 1.12.
Luffbralion can you explain that to me please. Is it we were .38 in 1 rather than .12 in 1 chance of scoring?
It suggests our attempts on goal would typically result in us scoring 1.38 goals in a game, with Wolves scoring 1.12.
xG assigns a value (0 - 1) to every shot based on historical data, of how likely it is to result in a goal. So a shot from the halfway line would be 0.01, whereas a shot to an open goal from the six yard box would something lime 0.98. So the better chances you have, the higher your xG would be. Over the course of a season, is a good measure of whether you are unlucky or not.
Case in point - our game against Southampton, our xG was 2.52, Southampton's was 0.86. But we lost due to them scoring two direct free kicks (normally quite unlikely to go in), and a 25 yard screamer from Ings. Efforts which probably 9/10 don't go in.
God help us.
Quite agree. Expected goals is one stat I really loath. Totally pointless
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According to MOTD our expected goals bettered theirs by 1.38 to 1.12.
Luffbralion can you explain that to me please. Is it we were .38 in 1 rather than .12 in 1 chance of scoring?
It suggests our attempts on goal would typically result in us scoring 1.38 goals in a game, with Wolves scoring 1.12.
xG assigns a value (0 - 1) to every shot based on historical data, of how likely it is to result in a goal. So a shot from the halfway line would be 0.01, whereas a shot to an open goal from the six yard box would something lime 0.98. So the better chances you have, the higher your xG would be. Over the course of a season, is a good measure of whether you are unlucky or not.
Case in point - our game against Southampton, our xG was 2.52, Southampton's was 0.86. But we lost due to them scoring two direct free kicks (normally quite unlikely to go in), and a 25 yard screamer from Ings. Efforts which probably 9/10 don't go in.
Thanks, I've always wondered what that was but not enough to go and find out.
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God I hate stats
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God I hate stats
Normally I'd agree. Possession, shots, shots on target, corners, offsides, they're all pretty meaningless as unless you've watched the game, you'd have no idea of whether or not you should have done better or had excelled with what you earned or were presented with. And if you watched it, you don't really need those stats.
But I like xG, it says to me we're doing the right things, and the rest of the league should tremble before us.
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God I hate stats
I like stats the that confirm my preconceptions but hate the misleading other sort.
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Bored at work so had a quick look into a Wolves forum. God some of them really hate us don't they? It's a little bit bizzare really. A couple of things stood out: we're a vile, horrible club with a horrible manager and captain and our "club ethos" is horrible apparently. Wtf does that even mean? Also we were jammy because our keeper made lots of good saves! Mike Dean gave us everything and ALL our players dive to get the opposition players booked. Oh and the post saved us.
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Bored at work so had a quick look into a Wolves forum. God some of them really hate us don't they? It's a little bit bizzare really. A couple of things stood out: we're a vile, horrible club with a horrible manager and captain and our "club ethos" is horrible apparently. Wtf does that even mean? Also we were jammy because our keeper made lots of good saves! Mike Dean gave us everything and ALL our players dive to get the opposition players booked. Oh and the post saved us.
ha ha fair enough :)
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According to MOTD our expected goals bettered theirs by 1.38 to 1.12.
Luffbralion can you explain that to me please. Is it we were .38 in 1 rather than .12 in 1 chance of scoring?
It suggests our attempts on goal would typically result in us scoring 1.38 goals in a game, with Wolves scoring 1.12.
xG assigns a value (0 - 1) to every shot based on historical data, of how likely it is to result in a goal. So a shot from the halfway line would be 0.01, whereas a shot to an open goal from the six yard box would something lime 0.98. So the better chances you have, the higher your xG would be. Over the course of a season, is a good measure of whether you are unlucky or not.
Case in point - our game against Southampton, our xG was 2.52, Southampton's was 0.86. But we lost due to them scoring two direct free kicks (normally quite unlikely to go in), and a 25 yard screamer from Ings. Efforts which probably 9/10 don't go in.
Problem is when you've got a set-piece specialist like Ward-Prowse who can do that.
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Mike Dean gave a boking for every foul, except Coadie who spent the whole game fouling Ollie.
I thought they were a very dirty team with all the tricks in the book.
When will they go back to focusing on the Stripey Twats ?
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Mike Dean gave a boking for every foul, except Coadie who spent the whole game fouling Ollie.
I thought they were a very dirty team with all the tricks in the book.
When will they go back to focusing on the Stripey Twats ?
Coady and Silva - the latter, was niggly in the extreme.
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When will they go back to focusing on the Stripey Twats ?
when reach their rightful level of League 1 again...:)
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To take Risso's point, who decides what happens at Wolves. Does the agent determine the transfer policy, or the CEO? Do they consult (along with the coach, presumably); if so, when there is a disagreement, what happens then?
Looking at the summer deals, it all looks a bit arse-about to me, with important players leaving and 'promising' ones coming in, at huge expense.