Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kipeye on October 10, 2020, 10:21:49 AM
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I know everyone is entitled to enjoy the good moments and give some slapback for all the years of being mocked and derided, but I wish some would just enjoy the moment and stop going on about 'we told you we were big', 'Jack is worth 200m', 'Deano is better than Bielsa' 'Southgate has sex with Mount' etc.
It may be true, but its much classier if we let performances and others speak for us.
Just saying.
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Agree entirely, we have class. ;)
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Can we rub their faces in it when we win the league? And when we 'Do a Villa' and win the European Cup 21/22?
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Can we rub their faces in it when we win the league? And when we 'Do a Villa' and win the European Cup 21/22?
You have my full blessing for that one. The end of a season is far better for gloating purposes.
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Kind of agree with the original poster. I liked how the players didn’t go over the top with celebrations after the win. Should just take it as if we belong naturally especially when the likes of Leicester and Wolves have given it the big one in recent years (in the formers case with some justification).
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Always remember M.O.N after the win at Old Trafford in 2009.
Totally downplayed the win and made it clear we should expect to win at places like that without reacting like a fourth division team who’d pulled off a shock win.
Having said that, I’ve been gesturing “7” to my neighbour for five days running now.
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I know everyone is entitled to enjoy the good moments and give some slapback for all the years of being mocked and derided, but I wish some would just enjoy the moment and stop going on about 'we told you we were big', 'Jack is worth 200m', 'Deano is better than Bielsa' 'Southgate has sex with Mount' etc.
It may be true, but its much classier if we let performances and others speak for us.
Just saying.
Agreed - we're of the same vintage, and I know that if I enjoy a win too wildly it'll get played back to me when we lose.
Being an inhabitant of Leeds country, I prefer the 'quietly understated' approach so that when they overdo it I can just smile condescendingly at them.
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In the old days when football was nearly always played on a Saturday SGT used to say if you win on a Saturday you can pat yourself on the back all day on Sunday and if you lose you can sulk all day on Sunday. But whether you have won or lost on Monday you forget about Saturday's result and get yourself back to work.
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I learned many years ago never to gloat, it has an awful habit of coming back to bite you on the arse, I think we refer to it as Karma these days. I do so inwardly.
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I learned many years ago never to gloat, it has an awful habit of coming back to bite you on the arse, I think we refer to it as Karma these days. I do so inwardly.
Yeah I agree. The video someone posted on here highlighted that perfectly. The Liverpool fan gloating remorselessly after United's 6-1 spanking just prior to them getting anhilated by us. Ouch!!
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Yeah, ok. But, what's this about Southgate mounting Mount?
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I learned many years ago never to gloat, it has an awful habit of coming back to bite you on the arse, I think we refer to it as Karma these days.
When it comes to payback nowadays it's known as Klarna.
I agree with the OP's sentiments, we shouldn't lose the run of ourselves, very early days yet.
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I totally agree with this post and would just like to add that I have been banging the Grealish drum as soon as he came out of nappies and that I’ve always seen Southgate as a teacher’s pet as a player and is now someone who has unjustified self belief in his own ability as a manager.
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I totally agree with this post and would just like to add that I have been banging the Grealish drum as soon as he came out of nappies and that I’ve always seen Southgate as a teacher’s pet as a player and is now someone who has unjustified self belief in his own ability as a manager.
To be fair if you don’t have a fair amount of self belief you’ll have no hope as a manager. It’s hardly a crime to have belief in yourself.
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I totally agree with this post and would just like to add that I have been banging the Grealish drum as soon as he came out of nappies and that I’ve always seen Southgate as a teacher’s pet as a player and is now someone who has unjustified self belief in his own ability as a manager.
To be fair if you don’t have a fair amount of self belief you’ll have no hope as a manager. It’s hardly a crime to have belief in yourself.
Trump has belief in himself etc etc.
Like Southgate it is unjustified.
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I agree with the original post, but I have ordered 250 calling cards, bearing the full match result details, to hand out to any liverpool fan I meet from now onwards.
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You don't get carried away with one win, no matter how convincing, no matter who it's against.
But gloating when you win is half the fun of football. Winding up your mates who support the team you've just spanked. It's just bantz innit.
Yes, the worm will turn sooner or later but if you can't take a bit of ribbing from other football fans, supporting Villa probably isn't for you!
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bit of bantz never hurt any one :)
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bit of bantz never hurt any one :)
Zackly
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I generally agree but when you inflict a teams biggest defeat for 60 years and happenvto be the reigning league champions the normal rules don't apply. It's one of the most spectacular results we'll ever see, you're allowed to be a bit of a knob for a few days after it.
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Collectively we had three months to dwell on being gubbed 4-0 by Leicester in March. Two weeks to enjoy us winning comfortably and inflicting a record defeat on the reigning champions seems like fair recompense to me.
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I suppose you're right but.....
Bollocks ! Seven f***ing two against the team universally crowned champions last year by Christmas.
Jack deservedly man of the match against Wales despite Southgate picking him through clenched teeth. Fuck off Spurs and Man U , he's ours !
And Dogheads ......the proper order is in the process of being restored.
Enjoy the good times, it's part of the fun !
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Just testing. ;D said I was grumpy.
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I watched the post match interview with Southgate and muttered "twat" like most did. To be honest though I think Southgate like all England managers is walking a tightrope. Initially he knew most of the England squad players from his U21 manager days. He'd already got his "England" ethos across to them. He knows less about more recent players I guess ( especially Jack ) so is starting from scratch with some of them. He's dropped England players left right and center recently for covid breaches and other "misdemeanors". My hope is that he doesn't want anyone getting above themselves and thinking they're a cert for an England shirt every game.... including Jack. Jack had his moment during covid too remember. Southgates policy it seems to me is to reprimand those that do transgress by dropping them, but allow them to be re integrated back into the fold, they're young men after all, they make mistakes. I think he doesn't want ANY player to think the shirt is his so he's not going to say after one game "Jack's performance was f***ing marvelous wasn't it! He bossed the whole game, on his debut! did you see!!!"
The media are already starting with comparisons with Gazza and do we really want that? Jack can be many times the player Gazza ever was ( or any other England player for that matter ) but for God's sake let's not get him trying to walk in Gazza's shoes.
I think there's an anecdote that Geoff Hurst following the 66 world cup casually said to Alf Ramsey something like, "see you next game boss". Ramsey replied something like "only if I pick you lad". Ouch!
If my memory serves me I think it was Hurst that told of the exchange when paying tribute to Ramsey years later.
Anyway, Rashford is the England player who needs to watch out. Southgate will be well pissed off that he's been honoured before him!
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I generally agree but when you inflict a teams biggest defeat for 60 years and happenvto be the reigning league champions the normal rules don't apply. It's one of the most spectacular results we'll ever see, you're allowed to be a bit of a knob for a few days after it.
Yep. Did my quiz last night to my Liverpool mates. Littered with 7, 2 etc.
We've not had a moment like this for such a long time, we should be allowed to enjoy it. That there's another week before the next fixture makes it even better!
Knowing us we'll get hammered in that and fans of lots of clubs will take the piss, it's just the way football is.
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Oh and another thing, even if we were up there and vying for titles year after year etc, we'd still do the same.
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When I was at school I used to think about all possible scores we could lose by, on my way to the match, and convince myself that if I have thought about it it won't happen. The miserable pre match nerves take over. When the match starts you forget about that and result is the result. It may be that even after the next two games we find ourselves in a different position but having lived with misery for so long no one is going to stop me from gloating...for now. By the end of the season we will get more or less what we deserve.
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A genuine question chaps but why the dislike for Southgate? I recall him being an excellent part of a superb central defence and an effective captain.
I know he pushed for a move and said that the club lacked ambition. We all want to better ourselves and professional footballers are no different; except that they make headlines in the media whereas we don’t.
If he did make those comments then surely he was only saying something that we were all thinking at the time.
I remember him having a wretched first half at Anfield when we were down 3-0 and it seemed that he had given up on us - that in itself is inexcusable and showed a lack of professionalism.
Is that what has caused the dislike or is there something more?
I don’t live near VP so the only paper gossip I used to get was all about Spurs and Arsenal etc.
Thanks
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God knows we've had enough to be miserable about over most of the last ten years, so no way am I going to pass up a chance to be jubilant and crow about our brilliant start.
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Two years ago we were losing to Millwall and seemingly had no hope of escaping the second tier for years.
We've just spent a fortune on exciting stars and have secured the services of one of the current best players on the planet on a long term contract, we are second in the league and have just absolutely battered the League Champions.
Fuck it, be happy. Live a little.
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Yes, of course gloating will come back to haunt you eventually... BUT... after a decade or so of having to pick out the edible bits from a piece of mouldy bread and dripping, you'll have to excuse me if I gorge a while on the pâtisserie that is a 7-2 drubbing of the champions.
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It's not just 'the champions' either, it was the team that had won the league with 7 games to go!!!
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I've always said I don't gloat in victory. Turns out there's a six goal maximum.
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As I said originally, I try not to gloat, that doesn't mean I don't recognise what has gone on before and that I'm any less happy with last Sunday's result than anyone else, it's just that I'd prefer not to do it.
I would loved to have been in my regular boozer last week as it's a Liverpool stronghold, I would have just sat there smiling, it would have been enough, they wouldn't have a clue what was going on in my head.
It seems my son is somewhat different to me. I've just finished talking to him and he said he hasn't missed an opportunity, especially at work. He said that whilst teaching sports psychology he referenced the numbers seven and two at every opportunity just to watch the few Liverpool plastic students squirm.
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Ten years of shit, 6-0 annihilation and constant Liverpool love-in from the media. Of course we should enjoy it, any way we want. Times are dark enough so when opportunities arrive we should take full advantage or them. If it comes back and bites my backside, so what, enjoy the day! UTV