Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: baddowvillans on July 28, 2020, 06:33:07 PM
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I have to say that I've been genuinely amazed by the disdain bordering on hate from supporters of other clubs following on from the events of Sunday. Whilst I think most wanted Watford to go down its clear that a large number would have preferred if we had joined them.
To be honest, neither the BBC or Sky helped by asking in the immediate aftermath of the games " was the Sheff Utd ghost goal what kept Villa up. On the back of that fans from all over seem to believe that for the first game only of post Covid games the "golden goal" rule applied and had Sheff being awarded the goal there is no way Villa - despite being the best team to that point and the one who looked most like winning it at the end - could ever have got back in the game.
So it just that or do they think we believe are a bigger club than many of theirs. Yes maybe a bit but that's mainly because it's true. I'd be interested what others think or is it just me?
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Because every other football club on earth is shit and they’re all jealous
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Because they all wish they were us.
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Because every other football club on earth is shit and they’re all jealous
Correct answer.
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Because they all wish they were us.
Pretty much this !!!
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You'll always get dickheads but go to any half decent forum or read posts on the Guardian and phrases you see a lot are 'grand old club', 'proper football club' and so on. Obviously the also-rans in this region hate us but apart from them, and Newcastle, I can't understand why anyone would pay us much attention at all, let alone hate us. It's why the Liverpool / Bristol City things are so baffling.
Mind you, I saw on one forum that a poster had said us, Spurs and Newcastle are the Axis of Entitlement. That made me laugh.
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Jealously and the realisation that we are and always be a club supreme.
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There was a clamour for us to go down from the close neighbours and weird neighbours moreso because of the financial impact it would have. I think a lot of the sky people like us. And of course everyone is going to focus on lickle ickle Boringmouth being hard done by with our none goal. Failing to even recognise that until the last couple of games they had been cataclysmically shit. Fcuk them all I say.
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I certainly will wear it as a badge of honour
Fuck em!!
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Perhaps it's because we dedicate whole threads on our best forum to what other clubs think about us.
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I'd prefer fans, managers and players of other clubs all hating us rather than getting all excited as people like Klopp says we've got a great fans and ground while he has 3 points in pocket. Goofy twat.
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We're massive, they're shite.
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To be fair, let's not get all Newcastle about it. I always thought our reactions against them were a backhanded compliment. We wouldn't have been taking the piss if some pointless team like Reading had gone down.
Everyone has heard of Villa and there is an element of schadenfreude in wanting to see us sent down.
That, obviously, doesn't excuse the local stalkers who generally care more about Villla than their own team.
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Despite having not won anything significant in 24 years, we still have more class, tradition, and a more engaged and loyal worldwide fanbase than any other club.
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Despite having not won anything significant in 24 years, we still have more class, tradition, and a more engaged and loyal worldwide fanbase than any other club.
Apart from Wolves, apparently. Haha.
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I think that it’s because, going forward, we are able to strengthen our team and, become a force to be reckoned with in a few years time. I’ve said all the way along that if we could stay in this division this season, then we will go from strength to strength. It wasn’t looking possible a couple of weeks ago but, having pulled off a minor miracle, we should all be looking for much better times for us to come. Don’t look back in anger says Sweet Caroline!!
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I think we are a bit marmite. We invoke a reaction, whereas most people don’t give 2 flying fucks about most clubs. Who do you support?
Answer -Wolves
Going anywhere nice on your holidays?
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Most Neutrals I have ever met from outside the Midlands have never had a bad word to say about us.
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I would rather be unliked by the opposition , which in itself is a concession that they know we are about.
unlike say Crystal palace:)
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You shouldn't give it a moment's thought. In my experience, having lived in a few areas in this country away from the West Midlands, the football fans of other clubs that I have encountered as friends, acquaintances, colleagues or just 'people on our way through', have overwhelmingly expressed a high regard for the Villa.
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Who do you hate the most - Liverpool or Tranmere, Manchester United or Stockport, Arsenal or Barnet?
Exactly.
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Why - because it's funny to see big clubs struggle - we've all took the p*ss out Leeds, Sunderland, Everton and Newcastle when they've been struggling - it's because they are relevant and have a presence.
I have family in Stoke - and even Vale fans like to have a dig at us... that's the impact and reach we have.
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Outside of a couple of London Clubs, the two Manchester clubs and that red mob who play in Merseyside we are one of the biggest clubs in the country so fans of other clubs took great delight in our perceived downfall. They’d have sided with the underdogs last weekend so were upset when The Famous Aston Villa didn’t go down.
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Why - because it's funny to see big clubs struggle - we've all took the p*ss out Leeds, Sunderland, Everton and Newcastle when they've been struggling - it's because they are relevant and have a presence.
I think that's basically it. Until recently we were an ever present for the Premier League era, which much as we don't like to admit it is all anybody under the age of 40 or so is going to remember, and most fans of the big clubs hate all the other big clubs. I know I do.
Other than their traiditional local rivalries, does anybody give much of a toss about the likes of Norwich or Bournemouth?
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The vitriol has surprised me a bit. I think a lot of fans have got it into their heads that the hawkeye thing is akin to west ham cheating their way to survival, which it obviously isn’t, but then a lot of fans are thick as shit.
I always used to think we were a relatively likeable, at least inoffensive, team for neutrals. But I now suspect that’s just something a lot of fans mistakenly believe about their own team.
For what it’s worth I get a fair few up the villas and no aggro down here when I’m running in my shirt.
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Also, it’s so easy to find reasons to resent other teams the law of averages says you’ll eventually hate and be hated by all other teams especially if you throw in a relegation or 2.
Look at barcodes and Bristol city as two examples of teams who hate us with a passion for laughably flimsy reasons.
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If it bothers you what other fans think, you should take up Morris Dancing.
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The vitriol has surprised me a bit. I think a lot of fans have got it into their heads that the hawkeye thing is akin to west ham cheating their way to survival, which it obviously isn’t, but then a lot of fans are thick as shit.
I always used to think we were a relatively likeable, at least inoffensive, team for neutrals. But I now suspect that’s just something a lot of fans mistakenly believe about their own team.
For what it’s worth I get a fair few up the villas and no aggro down here when I’m running in my shirt.
That's the flip side - you'll find Villa fans everywhere. Loads in London when I worked there, on my travels bump into fellow Villans all the time. Look at the viewing figures and attendances for our Championship games.
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My Morris dancing troupe is consumed with hatred for our local Morris dancing rivals.
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anyone who has a good football knowledge doesn't hate us.
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I don't hate Everton or Sunderland - but it's amusing to see them struggle on the pitch.
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No offence to the OP but navel gazing of that nature forms part of the perception of us.
Couldn't give a tinker's cuss what fans of other clubs think of us.
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If it bothers you what other fans think, you should take up Morris Dancing.
I didn't say it bothered me
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It’s only fair, because I hate every other team.
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a combination of jealousy and also that we have played some of the most shit football ever seen in the PL the last two years we've been in it. I don't know if it's hate or just a sense of they couldn't give a fuck about us. And many know if we decided to ever take this seriously we'd probably be pretty good.
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To be fair, let's not get all Newcastle about it. I always thought our reactions against them were a backhanded compliment. We wouldn't have been taking the piss if some pointless team like Reading had gone down.
Everyone has heard of Villa and there is an element of schadenfreude in wanting to see us sent down.
Absolutely agree with this,
It is when you go down and back up all the time that people stop noticing you - like Small Heath, Albion, and lots of other piss-pot nothing clubs that nobody really cares about.
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Considering that Villa Park is hardly a fortress and for certain clubs a visit is a virtual guarantee of three points, I'm amazed anyone would want to see the back of us.
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I don't feel the disdain other than from the usual suspects and Wolves who have a diamond cutter of a hard on for us.
I had an Everton and West Ham fan wish us well prior to the weekend. I met a Newcastle fan last year who had no truck with all their recent nonsense and a couple of Stoke fans wanted Sandwell to fail and Small Heath to go down long before any desire to see us relegated.
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I think we get a fair bit of respect from fans of quite a few clubs. Obviously Small Heath, Smethwick, the dogheads and Coventry Singer don't like us. I don't think any of the East Midlands clubs passionately dislike us either.
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Morris Dancing is for Minors.
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Also, it’s so easy to find reasons to resent other teams the law of averages says you’ll eventually hate and be hated by all other teams especially if you throw in a relegation or 2.
Look at barcodes and Bristol city as two examples of teams who hate us with a passion for laughably flimsy reasons.
What is the Bristol City reason? They have a Wolverhampton shaped boner over us for some reason.
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I don't feel the disdain other than from the usual suspects and Wolves who have a diamond cutter of a hard on for us.
I had an Everton and West Ham fan wish us well prior to the weekend. I met a Newcastle fan last year who had no truck with all their recent nonsense and a couple of Stoke fans wanted Sandwell to fail and Small Heath to go down long before any desire to see us relegated.
I seem to recall Small Heath, Smethwick and Stoke all having a bit of a moody rivalry with each other when all three of them were all bouncing around the second and third tiers in the mid nineties. Didn't a ref get assaulted by a nose at the sty during a Small Heath v Stoke game around that period?
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Also, it’s so easy to find reasons to resent other teams the law of averages says you’ll eventually hate and be hated by all other teams especially if you throw in a relegation or 2.
Look at barcodes and Bristol city as two examples of teams who hate us with a passion for laughably flimsy reasons.
What is the Bristol City reason? They have a Wolverhampton shaped boner over us for some reason.
Because we stop off there when we're going on holiday and turn their women's heads with our fancy big city ways.
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Also, it’s so easy to find reasons to resent other teams the law of averages says you’ll eventually hate and be hated by all other teams especially if you throw in a relegation or 2.
Look at barcodes and Bristol city as two examples of teams who hate us with a passion for laughably flimsy reasons.
What is the Bristol City reason? They have a Wolverhampton shaped boner over us for some reason.
Because we stop off there when we're going on holiday and turn their women's heads with our fancy big city ways.
It sounds like Dave W broke the bank and bought a half of lager for a woman once in Bristol. ;)
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Also, it’s so easy to find reasons to resent other teams the law of averages says you’ll eventually hate and be hated by all other teams especially if you throw in a relegation or 2.
Look at barcodes and Bristol city as two examples of teams who hate us with a passion for laughably flimsy reasons.
What is the Bristol City reason? They have a Wolverhampton shaped boner over us for some reason.
Didn't Lee Johnson make a massive fuss about their fans not being given an end at VP last season or season before? Being located in the same place as every other away team's lot wasn't good enough for Bristol City apparently!
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Lee Johnson is a prick
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Lee Johnson is a prick
And his comments about them not being given the North Stand is only one tiny bit of evidence. there's lots more.
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Also, it’s so easy to find reasons to resent other teams the law of averages says you’ll eventually hate and be hated by all other teams especially if you throw in a relegation or 2.
Look at barcodes and Bristol city as two examples of teams who hate us with a passion for laughably flimsy reasons.
What is the Bristol City reason? They have a Wolverhampton shaped boner over us for some reason.
Didn't Lee Johnson make a massive fuss about their fans not being given an end at VP last season or season before? Being located in the same place as every other away team's lot wasn't good enough for Bristol City apparently!
No.
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https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/lee-johnson-aston-villa-fans-2047711
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I know four Everton fans very well (old college mates - still in touch) ....2 never go to games and both seem to like us. One STH text me on Sunday morning to wish us well; the other STH said to me a long time ago: "Villa? We fuckin' hate Villa at Everton. You owe us."...never found out why.
Last year after the play off final I went out to join family in Spain...first day there I bumped into a group of 6/7 Liverpool fans killing time before going to Madrid for the final. They all said how chuffed they were that Villa were back in the PL. I have to admit that I did wish them good luck. It must have been the heat getting to me.
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It's probably an error to confuse a few maladjusted keyboard warriors with the majority support for any club, most of whom rightly couldn't care one way or another.
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https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/lee-johnson-aston-villa-fans-2047711
Cheers Leeg.
That's the thing.
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Had plenty of other teams' fans wishing me well before and congratulating me after, including two Watford fans who are proper gentlemen.
That said, there seems to be a lot of happiness down here in London that Watford went. Asked one Palace fan why, and he sent me this:
Watford;
No alcohol served in away end
Invented and admitted to rotational fouling on Zaha
Sack a manager every 4 months
Troy ‘it’s all about me’
That bloody mascot
Bypassing FFP by loaning between club portfolio
Walk from the station
No further evidence your honour….
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As far as I can tell, the Bristol city thing amounts to us taking kodjia off them then beating them a few times while we were in the championship, with an underlying air of we’re Johnny big bollockses for buying our way out of the second division. Basically nothing of any substance. You wouldn’t believe how chuffed they were over that fullback not joining us. It still gets mentioned.
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Because there are plenty of wanderers city’s, rovers , towns, uniteds and athletics. But there is only one fucking Villa.
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Short answer - you're not. Certainly not with anyone I know. I'm a Brighton fan who tends to swerve plastics who support the Big 6 so most people I chat about football with are, I find, a bit more clued up on football. None of them have got a dislike of Villa. Clubs like MK Dons and Dirty, dirty Leeds are the most mentioned in that regard from lower league and a universal hatred for Man U.
It wouldn't surprise me if fans of the big 6 hate Villa. Clubs like yours or Everton or Newcastle are the ones who will burst their bubble when the times comes. Take it as a compliment, I don't think Brighton even register with them.
I reckon most other fans quite like Villa, a grand old club & founder member and a winning the European Cup under the proper rules. Speaking for myself, it's my favourite away ground. That Holte End should be Grade A listed. It's stunning.
Well done on staying up by the way. What a way to finish the season!
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Thanks Brightoninpeace, that's an excellent first post by the way :)
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Because the 'top six' see us as a real threat if we get our sh@t together.
Because teams like Newcastle, West Ham, etc know we are bigger and better than them and it's just a matter of time.
Because our local 'rivals' are jealous of our history, honours and size of both club and fan base.
Because smaller teams like to see a big club struggle and feel better about themselves if they can compete with a club of our stature.
Because we are ASTON VILLA.
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Short answer - you're not. Certainly not with anyone I know. I'm a Brighton fan who tends to swerve plastics who support the Big 6 so most people I chat about football with are, I find, a bit more clued up on football. None of them have got a dislike of Villa. Clubs like MK Dons and Dirty, dirty Leeds are the most mentioned in that regard from lower league and a universal hatred for Man U.
It wouldn't surprise me if fans of the big 6 hate Villa. Clubs like yours or Everton or Newcastle are the ones who will burst their bubble when the times comes. Take it as a compliment, I don't think Brighton even register with them.
I reckon most other fans quite like Villa, a grand old club & founder member and a winning the European Cup under the proper rules. Speaking for myself, it's my favourite away ground. That Holte End should be Grade A listed. It's stunning.
Well done on staying up by the way. What a way to finish the season!
I agree with the sentiment of this post. As I’ve said in my ‘good luck’ post of last week, my old man always told me that Villa are a very big club and having visited the ground on many occasions I agree wholeheartedly. Tradition, history and pedigree count with older ‘traditionalists’ like myself and the EPL would be a lesser league without clubs like Villa who are back where they belong. A bigger club than most in the league and that includes Everton and certainly Man City...look at the catchment area alone let alone the history. All the best for next season folks (except the 2 games against us!)
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“The only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about.” — Oscar Wilde.
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This thread title is a bit me me. I don’t think other clubs fans generally hate us and I totally agree with Brighton and Everton fans posts.
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I have to say that I’ve found the opposite. In my work I’m lucky enough (?) to mix with fans of just about every British club and several foreign clubs and pretty much all of them, while not liking us don’t hate us
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It's not strictly true that my club, Brighton doesn't register with Big 6 fans. Since we got promoted we get lots of "no disrespect but..." which I find hilarious but the ones who moan that we shouldn't even be allowed in the PL does wind me up. If promotion and relegation was based on who deserved it then Bury would still exist & would be in it. Chelsea would need a very good lawyer to advocate their continued presence.
The Wilde quote is spot on. The ones who say these things don't hate Brignton, we're there to make up the numbers briefly then they'll say the same with whoever replaces us.It's a different matter when it comes to Villa, Everton. You get under their skin. Maybe because there's loads of local clubs who probably have a negatice opinion because you're close geographically and the biggest in the area that it seems that everyone hates you. I think what I said in first post is true for most other clubs outside your region/
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I agree with our Brighton and Scouse visitors, we're not really hated by anybody outside the usual when you meet in person.
Liverpool fans I meet (and I'm mates with season ticket holders) don't have a bad word to say about us. Some of the Scousers on our train after the semi final in 2015 were the most reasonable opposition fans I've ever come across.
I guess that's contrasted with RAWK as its chock full of plastics who never go and may even come from Brum. It's a site full of cranks, hence RAWK Meltdown being a bit of an Internet meme.
Small Heath, the Stripeys and the Wolves hate us as they're inferior nothing clubs. You want to know our hisotry, spend 2 seconds with them or on their forums and they mention the European Cup without fail, usually in the context that we go on about it. Which is ironic for a number of reasons, especially when you consider if any of them actually won something of note they'd never shut up about it.
The bollocks the Wolves come out with is because we're a challenge to their race for global domination. They're insecure and with good reason.
I think a few clubs probably wanted us to go down as we're more likely to be competitors with them next season. Don't think there's more to it than that- bar Newcastle, the thin skinned wetters.
In the Championship we were the biggest team, spending all the money, getting the biggest crowds, taking the biggest away followings. Clubs on the cusp of the Play Offs like Bristol City, obviously took issue with our Billy big bollocks ways. But who cares about them?
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Morris Dancing is for Minors.
And Travellers.
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“The only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about.” — Oscar Wilde.
"I don't care enough about you to hate you." - Joe Strummer.
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From what I have seen it's the Championship clubs mostly as we were the big club in that their division and of course our local rivals. The Prem doesn't seem that bothered. Most fans hate Leeds wherever they are...me included.
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Think the OP has paid too much lip service to the vocal minority. I was an 80s/90s child and thus have fond memories and an affection for the proper teams of my youth - Everton, West Ham, Forest, Derby. I would include Leeds and Newcastle in there but their fans (again, no doubt the vocal minority) have proven to be such apoplectic bell ends over the last couple of years it has soured my fondness of a couple of fantastic clubs. I will happily give any of the above a load of shit on the internet BUT were any of them playing one of the sky 6 in a game that had no relevance to Villa, I would want them to win. I imagine most fans would feel the same about us.
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Don't these jealous clowns realise that without Aston Villa league football wouldn't exist and they probably wouldn't have a team to support.
So instead of dissing us, they should be eternally grateful to Villa and be thankful to the man whose statue stands outside Villa Park.
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I know two West Ham fans who both wanted Villa to stay up so weren't at all arsed about beating us Sunday. Similarly, I know a few Arsenal fans and two of those were sending me 'I want Villa to stay up' messages before the game against them. Aside from the wind-up merchants who try to rile fans of any opposition team, I haven't met too many who dislike us.
For fans of most clubs outside the Midlands, we're largely irrelevant (as you would expect) but with a sprinkling of respect for history and because Villa Park is a universally loved away ground. When criticism does come, it usually relates to us being a bit vanilla in the eyes of some, probably as a result of finishing between 6th or 8th a lot in the 90s and 00s without really kicking on. Randy managed to break that cycle and make us a bit more interesting I guess.
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The feelings I express towards our rivals is always influenced by how I feel about the individual rather than the club they support.
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"I couldn't give a fuck" - in exile
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When I walked into my local pub in London yesterday, the locals cheered!
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Coming from Cannock where there is a large following of Wolves and have quite a few mates among them, I can confirm they are obsessed with us. Straight after the final whistle on Sunday one messaged me about our 'dark season' and Jack would now be sold. I replied that now the season has finished its been a great season. Objective to stay up achieved, plus throw in a cup final appearance, something they haven't done since Thatcher was in power. He didn't reply.
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We were the preeminent local team, pretty much unchallenged for around 40 years from mid 70s to mid 10s. That kind of thing grates with local rivals.
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I think it's probably true that this whole debate is skewed by the views of some salty vocal gobshites on twitter who don't respresent their team's fanbase. We've got plenty of them as well.
Personally, I care 0.1% as much about other clubs - inlcuding local rivals - as I do about the villa.
But I'd say there probably is a hierarchy of other clubs in my mind.
Manu and Leeds at the bottom, consistently hateable.
Shithouse clubs that conduct themselves poorly and/or have gobshite owners (West Ham, Barcodes, Cardiff)
(loads in the middle)
Clubs I quite like because they have a playing philosophy / nice manager / nice ground / are a 'proper club' / I have a mate who supports them. Everton and Brighton are in the last category for what it's worth!
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Most people I meet down here say a similar thing when I tell them I'm a Villa fan. "Big club, Villa..... proper ground......good support". I've never really experienced negative comments.
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When I replied earlier I thought the comment about Wolves fans was the OP and we were just talking about local fans. I would agree that beyond the Midlands bubble we're not that disliked. Be nice to get good enough to piss a few more people off wouldn't it?
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News to me that Villa are unpopular with neutrals.
As someone who doesn't live in the West Midlands, I wasn't aware that many people outside of that area had any strong feelings about Villa
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I had loads of customers saying to me Saturday , Villa are a big club and need to be in the Prem , good luck buddy including loads of Leicester fans.. Dont think Cov were too happy thou
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I don't know any Blues or Wulvs, but everyone I know was pleased for us.
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I've never met a Leicester fan yet who doesn't share the average Coventry fan's rabid and slightly bewildering dislike of us.
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One thing I would say is that if the boot was on the other foot and if had been Newcastle, Everton, West Ham or any more established top flight club I would have wanted them down in that situation. Maybe I'm contrary but for other clubs who fit in the "big club, great history" stuff it makes me want them to do worse.
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I've never met a Leicester fan yet who doesn't share the average Coventry fan's rabid and slightly bewildering dislike of us.
I'd be a bit worried if anyone or anything from Leicester liked us.
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I've never met a Leicester fan yet who doesn't share the average Coventry fan's rabid and slightly bewildering dislike of us.
You'd like my dad, Risso. He absolutely loves us! On Sunday, when we scored, he facetimed my wife and was going mad. I asked him about the Leicester result and he said he couldn't give a shit :)
I think he's in love with our Jack, also.
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I've never met a Leicester fan yet who doesn't share the average Coventry fan's rabid and slightly bewildering dislike of us.
I've told it before, but I once had a bewildering conversation with a Leicester fan. It was in a factory canteen over there, with my gaffer (a nose), me and this bloke. All amiable enough, but after about 10 minutes or so the bloke got up to use the microwave and I noticed a very distinctive coloured t-shirt sticking out the back of his work jacket, which happened to by the Villa home top with the NTL sponsor on. I questioned him on it and he just shrugged and said his nan had bought it for him.
Fucking weirdos.
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Are we that unpopular? Can only go by looking at a few fan forums and seemed most were happy to stay up as it makes premier league more interesting if we're in it.
Seems a few in championship were unhappy we got away with FFP so they've got that chip on their shoulders about us e.g. Bristol City but they're of no concern now.
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Ultimately, we're a sort-of inbetween club. As has been said before, we're too big to patronise but not done enough recently to respect. Within a forty mile radius we're everything, but after that we're pretty much ignored.
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Most people I meet down here say a similar thing when I tell them I'm a Villa fan. "Big club, Villa..... proper ground......good support". I've never really experienced negative comments.
Same here.
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I've never met a Leicester fan yet who doesn't share the average Coventry fan's rabid and slightly bewildering dislike of us.
I'd be a bit worried if anyone or anything from Leicester liked us.
They certainly spent many a game last season singing about us going down, which again, is very strange.
Of course, the song ended up being factually incorrect as well....
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Most people I meet down here say a similar thing when I tell them I'm a Villa fan. "Big club, Villa..... proper ground......good support". I've never really experienced negative comments.
Same here.
That's because they're afraid of you Daz.
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Man United were the most hated club in the land in the 90s when they were winning everything.
Same for Chelsea in the early 2000s.
I’d be quite happy if the Villa got the same treatment in the 2020s...
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We were really respected when MON was in charge and we were finishing around the top six. I'd hope that days like those are just around the corner and we head back in to the positive thoughts of the general public/pundits. We had become a basket case of a club and didn't really deserve much respect when we seemed to appoint a new manager ever year. Randy to Xia, Sherwood to Garde to Bruce. All wasters. I hope Dean can give us back the respect that we should have, being the super club we are.
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I've never met a Leicester fan yet who doesn't share the average Coventry fan's rabid and slightly bewildering dislike of us.
I'd be a bit worried if anyone or anything from Leicester liked us.
They certainly spent many a game last season singing about us going down, which again, is very strange.
Of course, the song ended up being factually incorrect as well....
And singing that our city, just like Leicester, is blue.
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I despise all other clubs and their fans by default, but if I ever meet any in person, I'm always friendly, and usually so are they.
Aside from the occasional wankers that you sadly find in every section of society, the bitter hatred of football rivalry is largely theoretical, which is what makes it so much fun.
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While on holiday I was having a drink outside a bar with the misses.A noisy group of lads, some right bruisers,
sat near us and we got chatting football. Turns out they were Notts County fans and when I told them I was Villa they got us a drink. They were just happy I wasn't a blue nose as they hated them "scumbags" We had a cracking couple of hours and every one of them agreed Villa were by far the biggest club in the Midlands and they loved to "put forest straight" about that fact. Apparently we're well supported in the east midlands and highly regarded in their view. I've had plenty of similar experiences on my travels. So I don't think we're any more disliked than similar clubs of our size apart from with fans of our bitter and jealous neighbour's. It's a myth they love to peddle.
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I've never met a Leicester fan yet who doesn't share the average Coventry fan's rabid and slightly bewildering dislike of us.
I'd be a bit worried if anyone or anything from Leicester liked us.
They certainly spent many a game last season singing about us going down, which again, is very strange.
Of course, the song ended up being factually incorrect as well....
And singing that our city, just like Leicester, is blue.
I'd hazard a guess at them singing it at old trafford and anfield too.
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I've never met a Leicester fan yet who doesn't share the average Coventry fan's rabid and slightly bewildering dislike of us.
Only ever known one Leicester fan, and you could just tell he didn't like us one bit, despite never really going further than 'you're fair weather supporters, fair weather', you can get a general vibe from someone though when you say who you support.
Much prefer Forest and Derby fans from that neck of the woods, never really met any County.
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Thread called lawyer up (like suit up ref from how I met you're mother )
https://bournemouth-forum.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/time-to-lawyer-up.12016/
I can imagine some will have a dislike to villa due to Hawkeye controversy.
What’s the point of a Bournemouth forum? Can the three of them not just What’s App each other?
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I only remember meeting one Bournemouth fan. A woman of around 50 on a platform on New Street station before we played them in the FA Cup in 2015 and they were top of the Championship. In a plummy accent she arrogantly asked why we were bothering to go as the result was such a foregone conclusion. I would have loved to have met her after the game.
My entire view of Bournemouth fans is based on that one incident. I'm sure there must be others who would balance it though.
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Thread called lawyer up (like suit up ref from how I met you're mother )
https://bournemouth-forum.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/time-to-lawyer-up.12016/
I can imagine some will have a dislike to villa due to Hawkeye controversy.
What’s the point of a Bournemouth forum? Can the three of them not just What’s App each other?
They don't trust the technology.
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I only remember meeting one Bournemouth fan. A woman of around 50 on a platform on New Street station before we played them in the FA Cup in 2015 and they were top of the Championship. In a plummy accent she arrogantly asked why we were bothering to go as the result was such a foregone conclusion. I would have loved to have met her after the game.
My entire view of Bournemouth fans is based on that one incident. I'm sure there must be others who would balance it though.
My daughter is at Uni in Bournemouth, used to live 500 yards from their garden shed, she reckoned the average Cherries fan was either a student or a pensioner with very little in between.
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Their ears?
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Short answer - you're not. Certainly not with anyone I know. I'm a Brighton fan who tends to swerve plastics who support the Big 6 so most people I chat about football with are, I find, a bit more clued up on football. None of them have got a dislike of Villa. Clubs like MK Dons and Dirty, dirty Leeds are the most mentioned in that regard from lower league and a universal hatred for Man U.
It wouldn't surprise me if fans of the big 6 hate Villa. Clubs like yours or Everton or Newcastle are the ones who will burst their bubble when the times comes. Take it as a compliment, I don't think Brighton even register with them.
I reckon most other fans quite like Villa, a grand old club & founder member and a winning the European Cup under the proper rules. Speaking for myself, it's my favourite away ground. That Holte End should be Grade A listed. It's stunning.
Well done on staying up by the way. What a way to finish the season!
This is what I've found from most fans of other clubs I've met, generally quite complementary about us, and Villa Park in particular.
Said before on here, I'm good mates with a few Evertonians and generally like to see them so well (except against us).
Never knowingly met a Brighton supporter, but had a soft spot for them since the financial troubles in the 90s. It's good to see you lot doing as well as you are, it's been a magnificent turnaround :)
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Their ears?
Judging by the ones who used to abandon their cars blocking her driveway I’d say yes.
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I’ve mixed with fans from clubs all over the country and abroad by virtue of living in Sheffield, London a few times plus 13 years overseas, and played in a fair few teams of mongrels as well.
Down here in London people I know wanted us to stay up - generally positive re our tradition and a universal love of Villa Park, which is sadly partly based on it being an easy game for away teams for a few years. Many will also reference us re our dear neighbours by saying how aggressive Blues fans were to them compared to drinking in pubs with Villa fans.
Most people though generally don’t have a strong opinion about us, aside from the occasional outlier . Partly because we have been average for a decade now.
I know fans of loads of different teams and have had great chats with decent opposition fans in pubs around the country. Obviously I only have eyes for the Villa but clubs whose fans have registered with me are the Sheffield duo - both sets of fans were great with me when I lived there in the early 80s - and I used to work for a big company in Brighton and knew loads of fans who stuck with them in the dark days of the Withdean. I’m pleased their loyalty has been rewarded. I find Liverpool and Everton fans from Merseyside to generally be decent, unlike the more vociferous Liverpool glory hunters from outside the city. And for some strange reason I know a few Gasheads who are great blokes so always look out for their score too.
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I haven't lived in or around Birmingham since the late 90's, and I think, pretty much without question, no-one I've met and talked football with during the last twenty-odd years has ever said anything particularly negative about the Villa. Obviously you get the odd comment about specific players, but never about the club itself. Most fans seem to recognise we're a big, old, traditional club, and they don't think we are ever going to really challenge at the very top end of the game.
I have a good mate who is a Leeds fan, and I would say that when we're talking football with people who don't know our allegiances, half the people make a comment about 'dirty' Leeds, or not liking them for one reason or another. It makes me laugh, and he's good natured about it, but it's interesting nonetheless.
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Take internet bile out of the question and it's mostly made up by noses who try and project their weird,obsessive, hatred of us on to others to try and normalise their strange behaviour.
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I think all of the interwebs nonsense is largely driven by people who predicted we would 'do a Fulham' and were proved wrong. Everyone likes to think that they know their football.
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Take internet bile out of the question and it's mostly made up by noses who try and project their weird,obsessive, hatred of us on to others to try and normalise their strange behaviour.
Totally agree about the noses. The "spawny vile bastards" topic has got this covered. My nephew regularly poses as a Villa fan on other forums and deliberately comes across as an arrogant, deluded douchebag and of course says he drives a Range Rover and owns a farm. And he's not alone. It's a strange brew of a football supporter who would go to such lengths to "get one over on da vile"
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Obviously I only have eyes for the Villa but clubs whose fans have registered with me are the Sheffield duo - both sets of fans were great with me when I lived there in the early 80s -
My in-laws are Blades and I work with plenty of both sides of the city.
Blades fans generally have a bigger chip, they are, after all, behind Wednesday and Leeds in size, and I think it comes from scrapping for everything and never really doing much... Owls fans have all been fine with me. Blades fans are just worried about being better than Wednesday.
It's a bit like our relationship with other clubs in the Midlands, they hate us because we're bigger and more successful and deep down they hate that and all they strive for is to be better than us. Meanwhile, we aspire to, and have, achieve(d) more.
Let's face it, we've not won anything for such a long time, but Cup Finals have happened, and we did push under MON for a while....
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I live on Merseyside and work in Mancland. Very little hate for Villa amongst any of the local teams. Rivalry, but no real deep dislike.
others may experience different but I just don't see it.
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I live on Merseyside and work in Mancland. Very little hate for Villa amongst any of the local teams. Rivalry, but no real deep dislike.
others may experience different but I just don't see it.
Same here Kipeye...lived here since 1995 and have never come across any animosity towards the Villa
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I live on Merseyside and work in Mancland. Very little hate for Villa amongst any of the local teams. Rivalry, but no real deep dislike.
others may experience different but I just don't see it.
Same here Kipeye...lived here since 1995 and have never come across any animosity towards the Villa
I was working on a renovation in the centre of Liverpool staying in Hanover street. I think the hotel was called The Hanover? There was a group of us Brummies at a Karaoke one night about 6 villa and 3 noses. We were slagging each other off and i could see the locals had clocked us. I went for a piss and a very large scouser came and stood next to me at the trough. He said "are you birmingham or villa?" Dick still in hand i just said "villa" I thought here we go and was about to say "don't hit me while i'm having a piss mate" Before i could he pulled up his sleeve and showed me a lovely Villa tattoo. Never been so relieved. I said "fuck me mate i thought i was a goner there" He just laughed and when i went back in the bar he introduced me to another villa fan in front of my blues workmates who were truly gutted. His dad was from kingstanding and he moved to Liverpool years previous. We stopped in Liverpool for about a month and i bumped into him a couple of times. I met a lot of Liverpool and Everton fans and to a man they were decent and complimentary about Villa and had a genuine fondness of going to Villa park.
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I live on Merseyside and work in Mancland. Very little hate for Villa amongst any of the local teams. Rivalry, but no real deep dislike.
others may experience different but I just don't see it.
Same here Kipeye...lived here since 1995 and have never come across any animosity towards the Villa
One thing about the Scousers I've met is their complete obsession with football. Not just their own club, the bloody lot. There must be some sort on Merseyside competition to be the most knowledgeable football man in the city, a bit like the Noses are about us but for every team in every league.
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I live on Merseyside and work in Mancland. Very little hate for Villa amongst any of the local teams. Rivalry, but no real deep dislike.
others may experience different but I just don't see it.
Same here Kipeye...lived here since 1995 and have never come across any animosity towards the Villa
One thing about the Scousers I've met is their complete obsession with football. Not just their own club, the bloody lot. There must be some sort on Merseyside competition to be the most knowledgeable football man in the city, a bit like the Noses are about us but for every team in every league.
Nice one Rudy....you are spot on.....it's one of the things I like about living up here .....the passion for the game. There is always someone in the workplace, on the train, in the shops or pub willing to talk about " the game" ........very rarely do you get the response " I don't like football or I'm a rugby fan"
Another plus is being able to ask " Red or Blue"? And then being asked the same question in return.....
"me? I'm Villa :)"
Which usually gets the following response .." I love going to Villa Park"
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Remember asking a scouse lad in my Uni class the "red" or "blue" question. He answered "Tranmere."
We then had a great 20 minute debate in the lecture room about the 94 league cup SF 2nd leg being the best/worst game in football history!
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I live on Merseyside and work in Mancland. Very little hate for Villa amongst any of the local teams. Rivalry, but no real deep dislike.
others may experience different but I just don't see it.
Same here Kipeye...lived here since 1995 and have never come across any animosity towards the Villa
One thing about the Scousers I've met is their complete obsession with football. Not just their own club, the bloody lot. There must be some sort on Merseyside competition to be the most knowledgeable football man in the city, a bit like the Noses are about us but for every team in every league.
Same here Rudy, that’s why I don’t mind fans of either club who are from the city. They seem to have a good knowledge of football generally, not just their own club. They just seem to have a great knowledge of the game.
I’ve said a few times on here but after the 2015 semi final every scouser I spoke to was very decent and congratulated me. There was no blaming the ref, decisions, bad fouls etc. All their ire was reserved for Brendan Rogers.
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I've never met a Leicester fan yet who doesn't share the average Coventry fan's rabid and slightly bewildering dislike of us.
I'd be a bit worried if anyone or anything from Leicester liked us.
They certainly spent many a game last season singing about us going down, which again, is very strange.
Of course, the song ended up being factually incorrect as well....
And singing that our city, just like Leicester, is blue.
They were not too happy when Sir Brian came home in 1994.
https://www.lcfc.com/news/434252/twih-brian-little-quits
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We’re always going to be unpopular with our jealous smaller local rivals, as to events at the weekend as has been mentioned earlier the biggest club in the relegation fight would always be the one neutrals wanted to fail as we tend to favour the underdog. Going forward as we go on our 20 years of Fergie style domination I hope we conduct ourselves with a degree of humility 😉