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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on June 17, 2020, 07:56:59 PM
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At least we didn't lose.
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We’re back!
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We were alright, but fundamentally, our lack of spark was glaringly obvious.
It's weird. I have seen us play much, much worse than that, and in many ways we were the better side, but I just haven't seen anything there that makes me think we have enough to stay up.
As I said, no spark, and almost zero pace in the side.
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All praise technology.
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Well clean sheet (fortunately), but even with the luck looked more solid. Hopefully it’ll make us sharper, because we need some cutting edge.
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With our remaining fixtures, I think we are done for.
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First clean sheet since Boxing Day.
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Decent first half. Not bad early second half. Modern Aston Villa thereafter.
We seem to have an issue up front in that Davies can play but can't score. Samatta can score but not play.
I'll take the point.
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Not a bad game for me.
Just mentioned it in the match thread but Sheffield United have only lost away to Man. City and Liverpool this year. They are ridiculously tough to break down but we carved them open a few times in each half.
Sometimes when you're in an awful losing run you need a 0-0 sometimes to break that and clean sheet will at least boost confidence.
Pressure on though. We really need to win one of our next 3 otherwise task is far too difficult imo.
Think tonight has shown we need to get Davis and Samatta on the pitch from the start of the game. El Ghazi was a waste of time tonight other than the penalty he should've got.
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there away support was shit
Never heard a peep the whole match
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I thought both teams looked lethargic, it will be a few games before we are anywhere near full fitness.
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Clean sheet. Only positive from tonight.
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Social distancing me hole. They're all fist bumps and hugs...they're bleedin walking petri dishes in the making!
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Very poor game but it was never going to be a cracker. We were the better of two mediocre sides. I don't know what Davis has been doing in training to convince Smith that he's a changed man but as soon as he got on the pitch it was business as usual.
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I am disappointed with that draw. We're down.
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Hard to judge what felt a bit like a training session but we were basically okay while rarely looking like scoring. Very lucky with a decision, for once, too.
Hopefully being back earlier will mean that we are better prepared than Chelsea on Sunday. You never know.
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Decent first half. Not bad early second half. Modern Aston Villa thereafter.
We seem to have an issue up front in that Davies can play but can't score. Samatta can score but not play.
I'll take the point.
Maybe the manager needs to show some balls and play 2 upfront.
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Impressed with Luiz. Targett supported well. Grealish got in the game. Defense seemed stronger even if Sheff Utd looked understandably off the pace. More positives than negatives for me.
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there away support was shit
Never heard a peep the whole match
Leeds would have made more noise.
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Gone.
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I thought both teams looked lethargic, it will be a few games before we are anywhere near full fitness.
Totally agree with this.
I think it's a bit of a fucking shambles restarting, tbh, and the lethargy on show didn't do anything to dissuade me of that.
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I saw a few positive moves but our defence scares the shit out of me. if only we could have drawn more games like this we'd be sound
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I’ve always thought GDS was absolutely 100% correct. For them to miss it is incredible. I didn’t think VAR could overrule GDS but apparently they could.
So to get away with that is pretty Incredible.
Thought we played ok at times and they we happy once Davis went off.
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Decent first half. Not bad early second half. Modern Aston Villa thereafter.
We seem to have an issue up front in that Davies can play but can't score. Samatta can score but not play.
I'll take the point.
Maybe the manager needs to show some balls and play 2 upfront.
I think the balls will come if he chooses two up front ahead of even greater chasms through the midfield.
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Shite. We need another 14 points still. Can't see how we're going to get them; we still don't score and the defence is still crap.
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Clean sheet. Only positive from tonight.
The pitch looked great. Shame there were two poor teams on it to spoil the view.
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Well considering we should’ve lost I guess I’m ok with a point and they looked a lot better at the back. Not a lot of home wins so far in the German league.
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We need to win games and we're not going to do with Davis up front by himself.
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Very poor game but it was never going to be a cracker. We were the better of two mediocre sides. I don't know what Davis has been doing in training to convince Smith that he's a changed man but as soon as he got on the pitch it was business as usual.
He did well first half. Ultimately he dosen't have that predatory instinct a Darren Bent has and that's why it will be a struggle for him to even get 10 a season.
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The first of many dull, cagey affairs from all teams, I imagine. Anyone thinking the PL would be back with a bang, ten-goal thrillers everywhere is living in cuckoo land.
With no crowds, and after what has been going on (and continues to go on) these games are little more than friendly matches. My hope is that we scrape through them and start afresh next season, which is what I think should've happened in the first place but without the scraping through!
Another point closer to safety, and if we've made a few money-grabbing TV folks pull their hair out at the lack of spectacle, all the better.
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Thought we did OK generally and there were lots of positives despite the usual hyperbolic post match reactions. However it is difficult to see how we’re going to score enough goals to win the games that will keep us in the division.
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Well considering we should’ve lost I guess I’m ok with a point and they looked a lot better at the back. Not a lot of home wins so far in the German league.
Trailing 1-0 with more than half the game to go doesn't mean we would have lost.
We made the best chances but Henderson made some decent saves.
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Davis is a very, very good target man.
Remember a couple of years ago when he played up front on his own for months?
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Very poor game but it was never going to be a cracker. We were the better of two mediocre sides. I don't know what Davis has been doing in training to convince Smith that he's a changed man but as soon as he got on the pitch it was business as usual.
He was one of the best players on the pitch, he needs a goal but he's a long way down the list of people to be criticised.
Yes they should've scored but we had a couple of good shouts for penalties and got 6 shots on target to their 1. On top of that there were 7-8 times where they relied on their scramble defence which they do well. Don't forget that's the 2nd best defence in the league and that's built on them making it very hard for teams to get shots away and a very solid keeper behind them.
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Well Sheffield United should've had a goal but certainly didn't deserve one. They were worse than us. Henderson at least had to make some decent saves.
So our defence did better, although Hause was their best hope for a goal and Nakamba gave one of his cameos as well.
Some things don't change though..Smith used some subs but there were no tactical changes, when we need to win a few matches.
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Why do some opinions have to be hyperbolic?
Maybe it’s only the better fans who don’t say anything negative.
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Worrying, same as before.
Need to make fitness count against a Chelsea.
I think we need to win.
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Goal line technology?
Apparently Nyland had a jamming device sewn into his gloves.
As it says on our badge: Prepared.
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A Championship performance
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He was one of the best players on the pitch, he needs a goal but he's a long way down the list of people to be criticised.
Yes they should've scored but we had a couple of good shouts for penalties and got 6 shots on target to their 1. On top of that there were 7-8 times where they relied on their scramble defence which they do well. Don't forget that's the 2nd best defence in the league and that's built on them making it very hard for teams to get shots away and a very solid keeper behind them.
That isn't saying a great deal though is it paul, to be fair. He didn't do any more or less than he normally does which is put himself about, hold the ball up extremely well and not look like scoring. He should have buried that close range header. That's why I say I don't know what Dean saw in training. If we're only playing one striker it can't be him.
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We did not lose and we were a bit more composed than in our last game.
Looking at the Stats, for all the attempts at goal I never saw us scoring
I am forgetting the goal mouth fuck up and believe the the ref
We do not look like winning and the Hause dwelling on the ball issue along with the goalkeeper flapping I am not overly confident
We go again
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Disappointed in a lack of risk.Several times a ball from the flanks and only Davis was in the box. Grealish looked wasted on the flank.
Targett my motm
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Most teams can use their first couple of games to ease into it.
We don't have that luxury.
I think we're gone.
We are woeful, the vast majority of the squad are sadly, just not good enough.
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Looked like the early pre-season game it pretty much was.
Nyland looked a little shaky - my how we miss Heaton.
The Hause aberration aside, the defence looked competent.
Midfield were ok, Luiz had one of his better games.
Keinan holds the ball well, but is not a natural finisher.
Sheffield were there for the taking.
Better than losing !
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He was one of the best players on the pitch, he needs a goal but he's a long way down the list of people to be criticised.
Yes they should've scored but we had a couple of good shouts for penalties and got 6 shots on target to their 1. On top of that there were 7-8 times where they relied on their scramble defence which they do well. Don't forget that's the 2nd best defence in the league and that's built on them making it very hard for teams to get shots away and a very solid keeper behind them.
That isn't saying a great deal though is it paul, to be fair. He didn't do any more or less than he normally does which is put himself about, hold the ball up extremely well and not look like scoring. He should have buried that close range header. That's why I say I don't know what Dean saw in training. If we're only playing one striker it can't be him.
It's saying that singling him out after that performance as the only player to criticise is completely unfair. He did exactly the job he was picked to do and bullied their back 3 on his own but we didn't make the most of that. It's not his fault AEG wasn't getting closer to him or that Samatta didn't start next to him and it's not his fault that they have a defence that is very good at stifling things out around the box.
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motm - refs watch
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Grealish is our best tool to stay up but we're not using him correctly and that will only lead to one thing.
And that was being said pre Covid 19.
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With our fixtures I think we needed to come roaring back and mcginn needed to miraculously find his feet immediately. 0-0s are no good to us now, we pissed away the half of the season where they were useful.
We're heading down with a whimper, sadly.
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I thought Targett and Konsa looked fine today. Hause is defo an accident waiting to happen. Mings got better but stll not great.
Luiz was excellent, and I thought Hourihane looked tidy, if a little in and out (his corner-taking was pretty good). Grealish tried to do too much - KISS. McGinn just needs more minutes on the pitch.
Davis was good; should really have come out of that game with a goal. AEG - very in and out.
Trezeguet looked lively. the other subs were insignificant (other than Nakamba who nearly gifted the game).
Nyland: I thought he was fine. The 'goal' incident was more about Davis' momentum thna Nyland's handling and other than that he dealt with whatever came his way.
Balance of play says we should have won: 2 good penalty shouts and several on-target attempts. Closing down and general shape were actually pretty good, I thought.
We need to become more dynamic and punish teams when we're in front of goal and on the charge.
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Grealish with the exception of one run, reminded of Ashley Young before he left us. Played where he wanted, destroyed the shape of the team and looked a shadow of the player we all loved. If we needed another defensive midfielder Marvelous was on the bench.
Agree with Mr Cropley, Targett was MOTM for the first 80 minutes of his performance.
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I called it out as a draw earlier - I stick by my comments about the paucity of the squad - will be a mammoth task to stay up - not enough goals in the team - after all what has gone on over the past three months it's hard to get too upset over football....
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Why do some opinions have to be hyperbolic?
Maybe it’s only the better fans who don’t say anything negative.
Hyperbolic isn't that a steroid for treatment of Erectile Dysfunction.
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We're 1 point off 17th with 9 to play and the majority of other teams haven't kicked a ball competitively for three months. Why the negativity?
I'm no happy clapper, but I struggle to understsnd what some people expected.
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He was one of the best players on the pitch, he needs a goal but he's a long way down the list of people to be criticised.
Yes they should've scored but we had a couple of good shouts for penalties and got 6 shots on target to their 1. On top of that there were 7-8 times where they relied on their scramble defence which they do well. Don't forget that's the 2nd best defence in the league and that's built on them making it very hard for teams to get shots away and a very solid keeper behind them.
That isn't saying a great deal though is it paul, to be fair. He didn't do any more or less than he normally does which is put himself about, hold the ball up extremely well and not look like scoring. He should have buried that close range header. That's why I say I don't know what Dean saw in training. If we're only playing one striker it can't be him.
It's saying that singling him out after that performance as the only player to criticise is completely unfair. He did exactly the job he was picked to do and bullied their back 3 on his own but we didn't make the most of that. It's not his fault AEG wasn't getting closer to him or that Samatta didn't start next to him and it's not his fault that they have a defence that is very good at stifling things out around the box.
He isn't the only player to criticise. Do I have to do it in a specific order?
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We are never going to create or score the goals we need to remain in this league. Grealish's "free role" is also a major hindrance on our attack. His constant running to the ball instead of into the space breaks down the team attack momentum most of the time. Why he's still allowed to come into the defence to retrieve the ball by Smith is unbelievable.
He can get away with it in the Championship but if he moves on in the summer I'll bet anyone now that you won't see him doing that for his next club, he won't be allowed.
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Why do some opinions have to be hyperbolic?
Maybe it’s only the better fans who don’t say anything negative.
The Superfan siren just went off.
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We still have too many defensive mistakes in us. Even though it was first match back and expect some caution and lack of sharpness, we just are not good enough.
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That passage of play where Nakamba tried to dance around his attacker several times in our defensive third when there was a simple pass on to get him out of trouble should not happen, ever. And then the ball squirted to Jack deep in our box and he tried to do the same before a weak clearance to a United player on the edge of our box, the same. Fucking stupid.
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I'm way off the pace... is Samatta not available? Is Wesley not recovered? Is Engels still persona non grata?
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Samatta came on!
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I'm way off the pace... is Samatta not available? Is Wesley not recovered? Is Engels still persona non grata?
Wesley out for the rest of the season.
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We're 1 point off 17th with 9 to play and the majority of other teams haven't kicked a ball competitively for three months. Why the negativity?
I'm no happy clapper, but I struggle to understsnd what some people expected.
There is that. We're certainly not 'already down' or 'going down with a whimper' - we did that last time. It'll at least go to the wire. [Steve Bruce] Another nine draws could see us safe [/Steve Bruce]
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I'm way off the pace... is Samatta not available? Is Wesley not recovered? Is Engels still persona non grata?
Samatta came on second half. Wesley still injured and Engles has an achilles injury.
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We lost an outlet when Davis went off. I was very impressed with him.
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He isn't the only player to criticise. Do I have to do it in a specific order?
You can do what you like, and I can disagree with you over it, it's how a forum works.
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Luiz motm for me.
I am fairly happy with the point tbh.
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We still have too many defensive mistakes in us. Even though it was first match back and expect some caution and lack of sharpness, we just are not good enough.
Well, we just got our first '0' since January 1st (I think!).
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Bloody hell we weren’t that bad. We did ok. Yes we need to improve, but that was expected.
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We still have too many defensive mistakes in us. Even though it was first match back and expect some caution and lack of sharpness, we just are not good enough.
Well, we just got our first '0' since January 1st (I think!).
Boxing Day.
NYD was a 2-1 win at Burnley.
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We've had some shite from VAR so far this season - the penalty shout was just another example.
Over 38 games they should even themselves up.
Was the denied "goal" evidence that things are beginning to turn our way?
File under : Straws to be clutched.
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Though we were ok. No was was particularly good and yet no one had a bad game in my opinion. While thing was a bit flat which is understandable I guess. Everyone looked fucked in the last fifteen minutes.
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We were the better side against a team that have only lost twice away and are going for a CL spot. We should have won but it was hardly a disaster result or performance imo, especially considering the circumstances.
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Disappointed in a lack of risk.Several times a ball from the flanks and only Davis was in the box. Grealish looked wasted on the flank.
Targett my motm
I thought that about Konsa. A few times he had acres of space but just stood still and sent the ball back.
Early days I know...
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I'm way off the pace... is Samatta not available? Is Wesley not recovered? Is Engels still persona non grata?
Wesley out for the rest of the season.
Which season's that?.
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We were alright, but fundamentally, our lack of spark was glaringly obvious.
It's weird. I have seen us play much, much worse than that, and in many ways we were the better side, but I just haven't seen anything there that makes me think we have enough to stay up.
As I said, no spark, and almost zero pace in the side.
This sums it up perfectly. We remain a suicide squad and try so hard to fuck it up with Nyland, Hause and Nakamba all playing Russian roulette. Too many ordinary players to stay up. Sheffield United are an ordinary side too. We have no ruthless streak. Still, one game back, all to play for and it's only Chelsea next!
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Luiz motm for me.
I am fairly happy with the point tbh.
Yep he was good.
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I'm way off the pace... is Samatta not available? Is Wesley not recovered? Is Engels still persona non grata?
Wesley out for the rest of the season.
Which season's that?.
This season. We can't play him nor Heaton as they were left out of the named 25 for the second half of the season. Engels has a knock.
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Though we were ok. No was was particularly good and yet no one had a bad game in my opinion. While thing was a bit flat which is understandable I guess. Everyone looked fucked in the last fifteen minutes.
This is about right. I'd say 7 out 10 performance from the team and pretty much every player.
Where I get frustrated is people who were saying we'd lose before the game are now complaining about a draw which we never deserved to lose and, bar a freak incident and a bit of luck, they never looked like even creating a decent chance. If we play like that for the next 9 games I think we'll be unlucky to not get out of the bottom 3.
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He isn't the only player to criticise. Do I have to do it in a specific order?
You can do what you like, and I can disagree with you over it, it's how a forum works.
It's certainly how this forum seems to work. Anyway, let's agree that Keinan Davis almost never scores and leave it there.
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Relieved and frustrated in equal measure.
Relieved to stop the rot, and we played some decent stuff. A clean sheet is always good. Relieved that technology was actually in our favour for once.
Frustrated that we didn’t score, despite some good chances. Frustrated it’s “only” a point , as we really need to get some wins. Games are running out. This was one out of our ten remaining games, that was hopefully one of the ones we could nick a win.
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With our remaining fixtures, I think we are done for.
Blimey you're at it again! Like my grandad used to say "you"d be no fuckin good in the trenches"
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We were alright, but fundamentally, our lack of spark was glaringly obvious.
It's weird. I have seen us play much, much worse than that, and in many ways we were the better side, but I just haven't seen anything there that makes me think we have enough to stay up.
As I said, no spark, and almost zero pace in the side.
This sums it up perfectly. We remain a suicide squad and try so hard to fuck it up with Nyland, Hause and Nakamba all playing Russian roulette. Too many ordinary players to stay up. Sheffield United are an ordinary side too. We have no ruthless streak. Still, one game back, all to play for and it's only Chelsea next!
They're 6th, have the 2n best defence in the league and are well in the race for a champions league place, if that's your idea of ordinary then I don't know what it takes for you to think a side are any good.
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This second game is showing what a genuinely bad first day back would really look, Arsenal have had 2 players off injured in 20 minutes. We couldn't stay up today but a handful of injuries could've seen us going down.
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With our remaining fixtures, I think we are done for.
Blimey you're at it again! Like my grandad used to say "you"d be no fuckin good in the trenches"
And he'd be right, there was some good football played in those trenches, the pitch wasn't up to much but that's not the point.
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With our remaining fixtures, I think we are done for.
Blimey you're at it again! Like my grandad used to say "you"d be no fuckin good in the trenches"
Somebody’s opinion or “attitude” will not keep Villa up or be the reason we get relegated. If it did then let’s all say we are going to win the league next season and we will!!!!
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We lost an outlet when Davis went off. I was very impressed with him.
Me too he had the second best defence in the league rattled several times. Given game time i fancy him to develop into a very useful player.
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Though we were ok. No was was particularly good and yet no one had a bad game in my opinion. While thing was a bit flat which is understandable I guess. Everyone looked fucked in the last fifteen minutes.
This is about right. I'd say 7 out 10 performance from the team and pretty much every player.
Where I get frustrated is people who were saying we'd lose before the game are now complaining about a draw which we never deserved to lose and, bar a freak incident and a bit of luck, they never looked like even creating a decent chance. If we play like that for the next 9 games I think we'll be unlucky to not get out of the bottom 3.
Agreed. The ‘goal’ and two mistakes from Hause and Nakamba was more or less all they really created. We were hardly knocking the door down but definitely had the better chances and they are a good, well organised side.
One point off safety with nine to play is clearly not ideal but it’s hardly a disaster. And we have no idea who all the other teams are going to come back and adjust to this setting either.
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We were alright, but fundamentally, our lack of spark was glaringly obvious.
It's weird. I have seen us play much, much worse than that, and in many ways we were the better side, but I just haven't seen anything there that makes me think we have enough to stay up.
As I said, no spark, and almost zero pace in the side.
This sums it up perfectly. We remain a suicide squad and try so hard to fuck it up with Nyland, Hause and Nakamba all playing Russian roulette. Too many ordinary players to stay up. Sheffield United are an ordinary side too. We have no ruthless streak. Still, one game back, all to play for and it's only Chelsea next!
They're 6th, have the 2n best defence in the league and are well in the race for a champions league place, if that's your idea of ordinary then I don't know what it takes for you to think a side are any good.
Maybe he’s just basing it on what he saw today?
I thought we played pretty well and the game had a good pace to it considering......what it really means is we have to pick up points from the easier games, no excuses.
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He isn't the only player to criticise. Do I have to do it in a specific order?
You can do what you like, and I can disagree with you over it, it's how a forum works.
It's certainly how this forum seems to work. Anyway, let's agree that Keinan Davis almost never scores and leave it there.
He hardly ever plays to be fair! We looked better with him on the pitch. I think he’ll be a useful player.
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We lucked out with the goal, but as said, over the course of the season we've been buggered nine ways of sunday by VAR more often than not. We should have had a penalty. On balance the game was probably fair as a draw. We had the chances, they had the 'goal.'
To be honest, Utd can't complain too much because they didn't seem too interested in trying to win the game. Even toward the end they seemed happy to play out for a draw and never really overly pushed our defence. I could say we looked reasonable at the back but they never really tested us. So on Sunday we'll see just whether things have improved.
On the negative side, we needed a win badly. I think getting ahead of the drop zone at the 29 game mark would have lifted us a bit. We now have a tough run-in and we're still playing catchup. Honestly, I think it's all she wrote now. This was the game.
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With our remaining fixtures, I think we are done for.
Blimey you're at it again! Like my grandad used to say "you"d be no fuckin good in the trenches"
Yay...I have a stalker.
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If it hadn't been for the presence of a goalkeeper, a goalpost and a defender the technology would've worked perfectly.
https://twitter.com/Hawkeye_view/status/1273329766750445569
If we stay up by a GD of one (which is unlikely), or even by a point, I can see some costly legal action ahead for Hawkeye and the PL.
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Definitely had that 'pre-season' training match feel to it. Everyone looked knackered for the last 15 minutes. I think we got to see what impact the crowd can have. That said, I thought we were better defensively, and I don't mean just the defence, I thought the tracking and shape was much better when we didn't have possession.
A few positives - I thought Luiz was great, and Davis put himself about a bit (he would have had a goal if he had more of a striker's instinct when the ball went across the box, and Henderson's save at the near post from him in the first half was very good). Targett also did quite well considering he looked about half a stone overweight to me.
Negatives - we're still not creating good clear-cut chances. Hause always looks like he has a rick in him when he's given time on the ball. McGinn was very rusty, and looked more than a yard off the pace. There was one passage in the second half where he bounced two midfielders off his arse, as he does when he's at his best, and I thought "that's more like it!" and then he massively overhit the relatively straight forward through ball - that's a rusty player, unfortunately. My only hope is that 75 mins brings him some much-needed match sharpness before the weekend. Like Targett, he looked a bit overweight?
Yes, they should have had a goal, but they didn't deserve one, and we should be pleased with the clean sheet - that's a huge positive. If we're not shipping goals I'm still confident we'll get a few at the other end. But without clean sheets we simply won't get two or three we'll need to win games.
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Missed a good opportunity to get 3 points, especially as Sheffield United had their best defender, O'Connell, out, but apart from a couple of chances for Davis rarely looked like winning the match.
SJM looked as if he hadn't played for 6 months, but the good news he's got 76 minutes under his belt and Jack, not quite at his best, still showed moments of class. Good news, apart from the non goal and Hause's cock up, we looked pretty solid at the back and one of our very few clean sheets.
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So the decision from Hawkeye has just come in: goal.
"Hawkeye said it "unreservedly apologises", and acknowledged that the ball had gone over the line."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53086360 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53086360)
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With our remaining fixtures, I think we are done for.
Blimey you're at it again! Like my grandad used to say "you"d be no fuckin good in the trenches"
Somebody’s opinion or “attitude” will not keep Villa up or be the reason we get relegated. If it did then let’s all say we are going to win the league next season and we will!!!!
And this is the place to express our opinions. He had his and i had mine. It's kinda how these forums work.
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Davis is not a striker, let alone a lone striker. He simply can't score - the early header missed was a good opportunity squandered. The game and the lack of atmosphere lured me back to Netflix. But at least we didn't lose.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12009106/blades-denied-after-goal-line-tech-error
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I'm surprised they haven't retrospectively awarded the goal and three points to United! VAR seems to take a good while.
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We were alright, but fundamentally, our lack of spark was glaringly obvious.
It's weird. I have seen us play much, much worse than that, and in many ways we were the better side, but I just haven't seen anything there that makes me think we have enough to stay up.
As I said, no spark, and almost zero pace in the side.
This sums it up perfectly. We remain a suicide squad and try so hard to fuck it up with Nyland, Hause and Nakamba all playing Russian roulette. Too many ordinary players to stay up. Sheffield United are an ordinary side too. We have no ruthless streak. Still, one game back, all to play for and it's only Chelsea next!
They're 6th, have the 2n best defence in the league and are well in the race for a champions league place, if that's your idea of ordinary then I don't know what it takes for you to think a side are any good.
Maybe he’s just basing it on what he saw today?
I thought we played pretty well and the game had a good pace to it considering......what it really means is we have to pick up points from the easier games, no excuses.
If they were ordinary today it was, in no small part, because we made it hard for them to play their normal game but fundamentally they're still a very defensive team and we struggled to break them down. 11 clean sheets before today shows we're not alone in that.
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A Twitter reply to the Hawk-Eye statement
Dear Hawk-Eye ... I'm in the USA and I could see the ball was over the line, have you considered a trip to Specsavers? Or Barnard Castle?
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We were alright, but fundamentally, our lack of spark was glaringly obvious.
It's weird. I have seen us play much, much worse than that, and in many ways we were the better side, but I just haven't seen anything there that makes me think we have enough to stay up.
As I said, no spark, and almost zero pace in the side.
This sums it up perfectly. We remain a suicide squad and try so hard to fuck it up with Nyland, Hause and Nakamba all playing Russian roulette. Too many ordinary players to stay up. Sheffield United are an ordinary side too. We have no ruthless streak. Still, one game back, all to play for and it's only Chelsea next!
They're 6th, have the 2n best defence in the league and are well in the race for a champions league place, if that's your idea of ordinary then I don't know what it takes for you to think a side are any good.
We matched them. Does that make us as good as them? The season as we knew it has gone. 10 game sprint, that's all.
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We were solid, that’s a plus. Need Jack, Aly, SJM to get up to speed fast.
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there away support was shit
Never heard a peep the whole match
Leeds would have made more noise.
Everton would have taken 20,000
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Had an air of pre-season friendly about it but I thought we at least looked more solid. Got a massive slice of luck with the technology but it’s about time.
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On the negative side, we needed a win badly. I think getting ahead of the drop zone at the 29 game mark would have lifted us a bit. We now have a tough run-in and we're still playing catchup. Honestly, I think it's all she wrote now. This was the game.
Obviously would have been a lift to be above the relegation zone, but three points between five teams with nine to play, hardly done and dusted by any measure.
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It’s not football as I know it - can imagine there will be lots of going through the motions games like this.
Happy enough with the point, we deserved it.
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I thought we’d get tonked.
So happy with the performance and the point.
Still a lot of points to play for. UTV
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It was a solid enough start. We now need to build on it and add some creative sharpness, without losing the solidity.
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Thought we were solid today, no real clear cut chances for either side.
A point and a clean sheet is something to build on, McGinn getting 75 minutes under his belt too and no injuries either.
Not as bad a start as some on here would make out, all to play for still and we are well in the mix.
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I thought we were the better side today. And none of our players looked as bad as David Luis in the other game today. He’s cost the Arse two goals and he’s been sent off. He didn’t even start the game.
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First clean sheet since Boxing Day.
And unbeaten since early March. What's not to like?
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Shit game. Very uninspiring. Having said which a point is a decent result I think and we're far from down yet.
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I’d have taken that point pre-match, I was worried that they’d come and do a job on us. Think we edged it on balance of play, but just wish we had a bit more of a cutting edge at times. That said, a clean sheet is very pleasing and something to build on.
Re: the goal that wasn’t, it’s about time we had a shocking decision go our way, and you can include the corresponding fixture last season when Sharp kicked it out of Nyland’s hands as well.
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They were robbed. We got an undeserved point on the basis of the non-goal. Just waiting for my FB feed to be inundated with comparisons to the Leeds game last season. Give the goal! Give the goal!
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They were robbed a goal they were not robbed of a win unless the final whistle was due after 42 mins.
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Has there been anything from Dean yet?
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Nyland was shit for the non goal.
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If we’ve genuinely sorted out our problems at the back then we have half a chance. Goals are a big concern.
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We're gone, done for, Kaput, deary me have you forgotten there are half a dozen sides around us that are just as bad as us, it's still up for grabs.
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If we’ve genuinely sorted out our problems at the back then we have half a chance. Goals are a big concern.
Don’t wholly disagree but it’s the first home game we haven’t scored in since West Ham in September. Plus, Sheffield United have the second best defence in the league.
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Impressed with Luiz. Targett supported well. Grealish got in the game. Defense seemed stronger even if Sheff Utd looked understandably off the pace. More positives than negatives for me.
Agreed on Luiz and Targett, two of their better games for us. Both lasted the 90 mins well which I was surprised with.
The water break/first two subs seemed to throw us mid second half. Up to that point, Grealish was dominating, Davis causing problems and AEG offering a decent threat out wide. Bar Hause trying to play them in for a goal, the game kind of petered out for a finish. Smith unfortunately has no imagination when it comes to subs, like for like swapping of AEG/Davis for Trez/Samatta was pointless. If ever there was a time to go with two up top that was surely it. Didnt agree with taking off AEG and Davis at that point when there were far more obvious changes. Sheff Utd were organised but Im not sure they were all that bothered. 2 more points dropped Im afraid but performance wasnt that bad.
Nyland 4 - inexcusable error for the ghost goal, didnt have a save to make that aside
Konsa 5 - Can see why he was brought in at RB but Im really struggling to see the potential in this guy. Spends a lot of time on the floor, average with the ball, ball watches repeatedly and not great in the physical contests either.
Hause 4- gave away a daft free kick for their 'goal', out of position in fairness to the guy but almost played them in for a goal in second half. Not good enough at this level. Daft selection at RCB by Smith and one we wont get away with against better forwards.
Mings 6 - up against some very average forwards but did ok. Far too keen to hit the ball long in my view particularly with Grealish on the left flank in front of him. Makes rash decisions quite a bit which werent punished this evening but will be in future
Targett 7 - Not a player I particularly rate and had a horrible game against these earlier in the season. But tonight he was solid defensively and used the ball well, was his pass that sent Davis clear in second half
McGinn 4 - tried hard but was unsurprisingly a long way off the pace and should have been replaced much earlier.
Luiz 7 - Again not a player Im a fan off but saw out the pace well tonight and held his position well. Used the ball well too but could have demanded the ball a bit more from our centre halves
Hourihane 6 - good from set pieces and loose play. Made a few interceptions but a standard enough Houri performance
AEG 7 - looked very lively I thought, not everything came off but worked hard and caused problems.
Davis 7 - lack of goals remain a concern but his ability to hold up the ball gives us an obvious out ball that disappeared upon his replacement. Cant fault his shot that Henderson pulled off a huge save to keep out
Grealish 7 - drifted in and out of the game at times but 20 min spell after half time he was by a distance the best player on the pitch. Involved in all our positive play. Shame it didnt continue
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Makes up for Kalinic having the ball kicked out of both hands last season, no sympathy from me, tough shit.
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Would another nine draws like that keep us up? Would 35 be enough? Probably not but 37 might be.
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Nyland was shit for the non goal.
I thought throughout he looked pretty much like the player we'd all come to slightly dread seeing on the teamsheet.
If we’ve genuinely sorted out our problems at the back then we have half a chance. Goals are a big concern.
Slightly better sides than us put at least one of those chances away. I'd understand starting Davis if Hourihane, McGinn, Luiz and Grealish were instantly in and around him, but they ain't.
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Samatta needs to start next time.
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Apart from the one he didn’t make Nyland didn’t have a save to make all game. Their keeper had to make 2 or 3 smart saves. We could have had two penalties. More positives than negatives for me.
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Samatta needs to start next time.
Unless it's alongside Davis, I totally disagree.
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Apart from the one he didn’t make Nyland didn’t have a save to make all game. Their keeper had to make 2 or 3 smart saves. We could have had two penalties. More positives than negatives for me.
Yeah I agree. Let’s be honest to stand any chance we’re going to need to start keeping clean sheets. Clearly not perfect, but on the whole we had a much better defensive shape. If we maintain that it will give us a chance.
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We had to win. We didn’t. I absolutely fear the worst now.
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Samatta needs to start next time.
Unless it's alongside Davis, I totally disagree.
Unfortunately, I can't see Smith going with those 2 up front.
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We had to win. We didn’t. I absolutely fear the worst now.
We didn't have to win at all.
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Samatta needs to start next time.
Unless it's alongside Davis, I totally disagree.
Why? He’s by far the greater goal scoring threat. We need goals and we need our best forward on the pitch to do it.
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Well considering we should’ve lost I guess I’m ok with a point and they looked a lot better at the back. Not a lot of home wins so far in the German league.
Should have lost???? We had 14 efforts 6 on target they had 5, 1 on target. We should have had 2 clear penalties, El Ghazi had his leg taken away and 2nd half Mings had his shirt and arm pulled as he was going for a header. Anywhere else on the pitch that would have been given as a foul and yellow card.We comfortably outplayed them.
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We had to win. We didn’t. I absolutely fear the worst now.
We didn't have to win at all.
No. Not in terms of games remaining. But given the games we have left especially the next few what gives you any confidence at all we will win those? A win today would have been a huge boost and taken the pressure off the game vs Chelsea. It’s going to be a tough road ahead anyway, made tougher after not taking advantage against a very average Sheff Utd side today.
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We had to win. We didn’t. I absolutely fear the worst now.
We didn't have to win at all.
No. Not in terms of games remaining. But given the games we have left especially the next few what gives you any confidence at all we will win those? A win today would have been a huge boost and taken the pressure off the game vs Chelsea. It’s going to be a tough road ahead anyway, made tougher after not taking advantage against a very average Sheff Utd side today.
It would have been good to win but it was more important not to lose. We didn't 'have' to win at all.
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Played out as expected in hindsight. Lack of adrenaline with no crowd present, and have a feeling all of the remaining games will have a much slower pace to them.
Lucky with the goal, but we're definitely owed one or two, so just scratch Palace away off the list.
Player performances were generally okay - Thought we were more solid defensively (Hause and Nyland's brain farts aside!), but thought Elmo offered more at RB than Konsa when he came on.
Luiz was my MOTM. Looked the fittest Villa player by a mile, and was all over the park, helping out defensively where needed.
Not a big Keinan Davis fan, but thought he did okay tonight - Just needs more support when the ball is pumped up to him. Felt we lost something when he was replaced with Samatta, who didn't really offer anything. El Ghazi/Trezeguet both blow hot and cold - neither are the answer really.
Grealish drifted in and out, Hourihane seemed to perform better without the crowd on his back, and McGinn just warming up (and was it just me, or did he seem to be packing a fair bit of timber compared to pre-injury?).
Disappointed with subs - Generally like for like. Still haven't seen that tactical nous from Smith where he can change a game.
First game in, so not going to be too worried about the draw, but we're going to quickly run out of games to secure survival if we don't start bucking our ideas up - Starting with Chelsea on Sunday.
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Samatta needs to start next time.
Unless it's alongside Davis, I totally disagree.
Why? He’s by far the greater goal scoring threat. We need goals and we need our best forward on the pitch to do it.
I have no problem with the lad, but we generally play much worse when he's on his own up front because there are at least 20 metres between him and the rest of the team. Davis compresses space, which I think helps.
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We're gone, done for, Kaput, deary me have you forgotten there are half a dozen sides around us that are just as bad as us, it's still up for grabs.
We are 2 points from safety with 27 to play for. I find the defeatist attitude from some of our fellow supporters quite bizzare sometimes.
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We had to win. We didn’t. I absolutely fear the worst now.
We didn't have to win at all.
No. Not in terms of games remaining. But given the games we have left especially the next few what gives you any confidence at all we will win those? A win today would have been a huge boost and taken the pressure off the game vs Chelsea. It’s going to be a tough road ahead anyway, made tougher after not taking advantage against a very average Sheff Utd side today.
It would have been good to win but it was more important not to lose. We didn't 'have' to win at all.
Quite. If we can take 4/5 points from the first 3 games of the restart, and then continue the pattern, we'll be home and hosed.
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A decent result against a top 6 side but thought we were well off the pace as were they .
Grealish non-existent , McGinn not fit , they should have had a goal.
Can't see how we will stay up we simply do not have the quality
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You don't need quality to stay up you just need to be not totally shit.
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We're gone, done for, Kaput, deary me have you forgotten there are half a dozen sides around us that are just as bad as us, it's still up for grabs.
We are 2 points from safety with 27 to play for. I find the defeatist attitude from some of our fellow supporters quite bizzare sometimes.
Matching West Ham's results over the next 8 games would make that last Sunday a bit tense.
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We looked a lot more solid and organised than I thought would be. We did ok overall although it's a shame we didn't take advantage of the decent amount of corners we had. As for their goal, we got away with it and I'll take that after the shit decisions VAR dished our way earlier on this season.
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What I found funny is that Davis is a really good target man. He drags defenders around, makes a nuisance of himself the whole time, stuff sticks to him and he can hold the ball up. So why didn’t that translate into us having players get past him in space, especially when we had so many players on the pitch who should be able to do that.
It didn’t help that Grealish had so little success carrying the ball. Plus, SU weren’t great but they are well drilled and physical so I don’t think there’s any shame in being kept quiet up front.
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Would be better if he could actually score a goal or two.
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True but we had 5 midfielders who know where the goal is. He must have been there to bring them into the game but they didn’t seem interested.
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If anybody's not heard, Hawkeye was working, we somehow became the first side in over 9,000 matches to manage getting defenders to 'occlude' enough of the 7 cameras to stop it reaching its decision. Quality defending right there.
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A decent result against a top 6 side but thought we were well off the pace as were they .
Grealish non-existent , McGinn not fit , they should have had a goal.
Can't see how we will stay up we simply do not have the quality
Oh, you're back.
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This second game is showing what a genuinely bad first day back would really look, Arsenal have had 2 players off injured in 20 minutes. We couldn't stay up today but a handful of injuries could've seen us going down.
They were awful and have little to play for in the league. Can see them losing to Brighton on Saturday given the quick turnaround which won't help us but we really need to be beating them at the end of the season.
It's one of three games I think we need to win to stay up, Newcastle and Palace the other two.
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A decent result against a top 6 side but thought we were well off the pace as were they .
Grealish non-existent , McGinn not fit , they should have had a goal.
Can't see how we will stay up we simply do not have the quality
Oh, you're back.
He did say he'd be back once the season re-started ;)
Hey, Flin5tone, thought that was a relatively fair post. Nice one. A bit contradictory, but gives a good impression of balance.
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They were robbed. We got an undeserved point on the basis of the non-goal. Just waiting for my FB feed to be inundated with comparisons to the Leeds game last season. Give the goal! Give the goal!
A lot of people saying we should've just let them walk the ball in like Leeds did for us.
Only thing I'd say to that is goal line technology is suppose to be black and white so given the ref's watch didn't give it I imagine our players just thought Nyland hadn't carried it fully over.
It evens out the Palace non goal for me, we lost a point that day, we gained one tonight although it dosen't feel quite enough presently. Might be in late July though.
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They were robbed. We got an undeserved point on the basis of the non-goal. Just waiting for my FB feed to be inundated with comparisons to the Leeds game last season. Give the goal! Give the goal!
A lot of Leeds fans saying we should've just let them walk the ball in like Leeds did for us.
Only thing I'd say to that is goal line technology is suppose to be black and white so given the ref's watch didn't give it I imagine our players just thought Nyland hadn't carried it fully over.
It evens out the Palace non goal for me, we lost a point that day, we gained one tonight although it dosen't feel quite enough presently. Might be in late July though.
Sorted.
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Anyone got Dean's quotes on the "goal"? Pravda being wonderfully Pravda doesn't even mention it in his post-match "de-brief".
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A decent result against a top 6 side but thought we were well off the pace as were they .
Grealish non-existent , McGinn not fit , they should have had a goal.
Can't see how we will stay up we simply do not have the quality
Oh, you're back.
Hello darkness, my old friend
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Not for us to comment on. Some things go for you, some against. They seem to be making the rules up as they go anyway, so who cares?
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A decent result against a top 6 side but thought we were well off the pace as were they .
Grealish non-existent , McGinn not fit , they should have had a goal.
Can't see how we will stay up we simply do not have the quality
Oh, you're back.
Hello darkness, my old friend
Hello Flin5tone! You okay?
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Anyone got Dean's quotes on the "goal"? Pravda being wonderfully Pravda doesn't even mention it in his post-match "de-brief".
https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1273372346737242112
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Which previously banned poster are you? Or am I barking up the wrong tree?
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The fact the 'goal' has triggered so many Leeds fans is very, very, satisfying.
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Hmm. Acceptable performance but it’s home wins we need not creditable goalless draws. First game back we did alright but in summary - meh and double meh.
El Ghazi I just can’t fathom. He always seems like he’s keeping something back. If he were to open his legs and show his class (so to speak) it’d be appreciated but he seems comfortable earning a C+ and B- but often throws in a D with an occasional E.
I’m rambling, goodnight everybody.
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A decent result against a top 6 side but thought we were well off the pace as were they .
Grealish non-existent , McGinn not fit , they should have had a goal.
Can't see how we will stay up we simply do not have the quality
Oh, you're back.
Hello darkness, my old friend
Hello Flin5tone! You okay?
I'm good thanks, enjoyed my break from being called a Nose !
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John McEnroe said the ball was on the line.
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A decent result against a top 6 side but thought we were well off the pace as were they .
Grealish non-existent , McGinn not fit , they should have had a goal.
Can't see how we will stay up we simply do not have the quality
Oh, you're back.
Hello darkness, my old friend
Hello Flin5tone! You okay?
I'm good thanks, enjoyed my break from being called a Nose !
Glad to hear it!
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Just finished watching it. I’d say Villa were on top and the non-goal aside, probably should have won. Keinan did well I thought, but when is he going to stick one away? There’s no lack of effort from him, but I can’t decide whether he’s lacking a bit of quality or just a bit of luck. He got nothing from the ref all game either.
The technology is a joke. I reckon they should just fuck it off next season and let the officials do their job. Was VAR even used? Villa should have had a penalty.
Pretty happy with a point, as I thought we would lose.
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We looked a lot more solid and organised than I thought would be. We did ok overall although it's a shame we didn't take advantage of the decent amount of corners we had. As for their goal, we got away with it and I'll take that after the shit decisions VAR dished our way earlier on this season.
Agree with that summation Clampy and I felt it was a decent enough performance given the circumstances, but the same old problems were there again.
Nyland and the back four look like they could make a costly error at any moment (though I thought Targett and Mings did pretty well), and Nyland's slip up probably costs us the game if the tech hadn't failed.
Luiz and Hourihane looked OK in midfield until Sheff Utd upped the tempo in midfield and then they disappeared. Marvelous came on and lost possession in a dangerous area and both El Ghazi and Trezeguet just don't look up to the level.
On the plus, I thought Davis did well and thought Jack improved as the game went on. Thought Dean should have shifted him to the middle when McGinn went off, as he was just starting to look threatening in central areas.
Nowhere near as bad as where we were when the season halted and somewhat back to where we were at the start of the season, where there was definitely some promise, but just that feeling that bit of quality is missing in a few key areas and it could be costly.
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Avoid losing against Chelsea and we have every chance of staying up. If we lose, we're right back in the shitter.
It really is the finest of margins from here to Wham on D-Day, but I fear a draw and a loss would knock our morale right back to where it was.
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Considering whatsomore was at stake . Needed to go all out and win that match.
And we could have done.
Had the luck of course but the amount of corners ,yet rather weak efforts from them , cost us. And could cost is dear.
Disappointed Villa players didn't push on some more.
Nakamba and Trezeguet looked completely lost with the ball at their feet.
Hause , Konsa and Mings are so causal on the ball.
I guess JT has told them to be composed in possession and don't rush.
Not a care in the world.
Mings did well upteem times getting ball down the channels and thought could make more of that.
Left side attacking was particularly strong.
Like to see KD and Samatta start next match v Chelsea.
Really Deano should have had 2 up top at some point as it's 0-0 had to push for the win.
Glad Targett didn't get injured !
Not sure on Douglas Luiz seems to coast.
He's not bothered if villa stay up or not how he plays doesn't give us enough drive.
El Ghazi forever the enigma should have played a one two with Grealish but instead went looking for a penalty.
Which actually could have been given.
At least we didn't lose.
Up the villa!
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Haven't seen the game as was a 3am KO here but i'd have taken a draw prior to the game. We needed to start solid and lay a foundation after shipping goals left right and centre before the break. Not really worried about not scoring as we've been consistent scorers this season, its defensively where we've let ourselves down.
Of course we'd have loved a win but really couldn't afford to start with another defeat. Surprised he didn't start with Samatta, another Smith decision I couldn't get my head around.
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Overall not bad. Felt you could tell the lasf 20 minutes that it was petering out for a draw as both teams tired.
The subs made no meaningful impact either, which is my main worry with this 5 sub nonsense, as we just lack the depth.
That said, bar the goal line fumble, we defended well, kept a nice shape and I think Dougie was my man of the match. Screen well, used his strength and nouse with a tactical foul.
McGinn off the pace, Jack always involved without ever dominating. We played some decent stuff, caused a lot of problems with our balls into the box and I felt created some good openings.
We were the better side and that's a pleasing turn around. This extra game could put us in good stead ahead of Chelsea.
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We didn’t lose. But on the radio was rather dull but oddly encouraging. Need to work better tactics than pas to Grealish and hope!
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Dougie saved Nakambas bacon after that horrible loose ball across our goal. A really mature performance from Luiz I thought. Looks like he's been working hard in pre-season.
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Luiz was good and looked like the DCM we have been lacking.
Targett was much improved, particularly going forward.
When I saw the formation was 4-3-3, I thought "here we go gung-ho" again, but we had a good shape when they attacked.
Pleased overall.
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I found the whole thing a completely bizarre watch considering I’ve missed about 5 home games since Dr Jo was manager.
I also reflected on the fact that approximately the same number as our capacity have lost their lives since the last time Aston Villa kicked a football.
To me it really doesn’t matter what division we’re in next season.
At least we’ll be around to watch it.
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I wasn't sure what to expect really but I thought we did okay.
Yes, they could have won if the Goal Line Tech had been working but that would have been an injustice.
I thought we started really well and over the whole game we were the better side.
We opened them up a few times and their keeper had a great game.
I can see why Smith likes Davis. He is so good at holding the ball up and just needs a goal.
He did really well to hold off the defender for his shot at goal (good save by their keeper).
I am okay with the point and I think we will be better for playing before most of the other clubs.
Bring on Chelski.
UTV
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Overall not bad. Felt you could tell the lasf 20 minutes that it was petering out for a draw as both teams tired.
The subs made no meaningful impact either, which is my main worry with this 5 sub nonsense, as we just lack the depth.
That said, bar the goal line fumble, we defended well, kept a nice shape and I think Dougie was my man of the match. Screen well, used his strength and nouse with a tactical foul.
McGinn off the pace, Jack always involved without ever dominating. We played some decent stuff, caused a lot of problems with our balls into the box and I felt created some good openings.
We were the better side and that's a pleasing turn around. This extra game could put us in good stead ahead of Chelsea.
i’d struggle to pick a Villa MOTM. It was a fairly solid team effort. Grealish, Hause, Davies, Houriane, all decent. That ball through to El Ghazi (I think) by Grealish down the right was superb. If Davies timed his run a fraction quicker, that’s a goal. MOTM was probably Henderson, which says a lot about how Villa went.
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First half - it reminded me of watching Wimbledon in the late 80's - too many hit and hope balls to Davies, who battled well.
Second half we improved (but that did not take much doing) a poor game.
Highlight for me was the pass by Grealish in the 2nd half - fantastic
We will need to improve on Sunday if we are to beat Chelsea
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Now Tv crashed on me so only saw 2nd half. Thought we were better side, although they had their spells. As we need wins Dean has to find a way of both moving jack to a central role and getting Samatta and Davies in the side. If not 3 at the back and wing backs, then nakamba shielding the back four, Luiz and McGinn in the Centre, Grealish in front of them and Samatta wide of Davies, will El Ghazi and Hourihane dropping out.
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Think Nyland is a bit unfortunate to be getting this stick for ‘That goal’, if he hadn’t made contact with KD he was all clear.
I thought his reaction was excellent, too. He knew the ball was probably over, but pushed the ball to the post and kept his cool. Going back to the Enkelmann faux pas, he panicked and made the refs mind up.
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Dougie saved Nakambas bacon after that horrible loose ball across our goal. A really mature performance from Luiz I thought. Looks like he's been working hard in pre-season.
Yes Douglas was really good. Marvellous was not.
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I feel better this morning than I did last night. We are still fighting. Defence looked better, granted that incident should have been a goal, and would have been added to all the other defensive mishaps this season, but luckily for us it wasnt. Luiz looked good. We do lack that creativity, and draws from now on are not much use, we need to win games and to start very soon.
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Dougie saved Nakambas bacon after that horrible loose ball across our goal. A really mature performance from Luiz I thought. Looks like he's been working hard in pre-season.
Yes Douglas was really good. Marvellous was not.
Wasn’t it Hause who played that awful ball ?
I thought Nakamba added some good energy for the few mins he was on.
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Think Nyland is a bit unfortunate to be getting this stick for ‘That goal’, if he hadn’t made contact with KD he was all clear.
I thought his reaction was excellent, too. He knew the ball was probably over, but pushed the ball to the post and kept his cool. Going back to the Enkelmann faux pas, he panicked and made the refs mind up.
Totally agree
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Dougie saved Nakambas bacon after that horrible loose ball across our goal. A really mature performance from Luiz I thought. Looks like he's been working hard in pre-season.
Yes Douglas was really good. Marvellous was not.
Wasn’t it Hause who played that awful ball ?
I thought Nakamba added some good energy for the few mins he was on.
Both dropped a potential clanger.
Hause played a suicide ball early in the second half. Nakamba played himself into trouble later on in the second half.
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Those of us of a certain age will recall Pat McMahon's 'goal' against Leicester in 1970 that was not given, as the ball came back off the stanchion. They do say that luck evens itself out over time.
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Hause is rightly getting stick for that awful ball, and he's a worry with the ball at his feet, but he was utterly dominant in the air and we've missed that when he's not played. Think back to the Leicester game where every ball into the box looked like it was going in.
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Hause is rightly getting stick for that awful ball, and he's a worry with the ball at his feet, but he was utterly dominant in the air and we've missed that when he's not played. Think back to the Leicester game where every ball into the box looked like it was going in.
Agreed, as with a few of our players you have to trade off the weaker points in their game with what they do bro h to the team.
Don’t think it helped that he was having to play as the right sided centre back, but not a lot of choice with Engles injured I guess.
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Those of us of a certain age will recall Pat McMahon's 'goal' against Leicester in 1970 that was not given, as the ball came back off the stanchion. They do say that luck evens itself out over time.
Didn’t we also score a ghost goal at the Baseball Ground once with the ball going through the net near the post ?
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Think Nyland is a bit unfortunate to be getting this stick for ‘That goal’, if he hadn’t made contact with KD he was all clear.
I thought his reaction was excellent, too. He knew the ball was probably over, but pushed the ball to the post and kept his cool. Going back to the Enkelmann faux pas, he panicked and made the refs mind up.
Totally agree
Nylands reaction was inconsequential though wasn't it?
He couldn't have known that the referees watch could malfunction
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I thought we were mostly the better side, which is encouraging.
I'm not going to cry for Sheffield's missed goal when we should have had one and possibly two penalties. How can a player physically throw mings to the ground in the area to stop him attacking the ball and it not be a pen?
I was impressed with Davis but wish he could take his opportunities.
I don't get the criticism of Nyland - he had taken the ball smartly and was pushed into the goal by his own player. If the collision didn't happen he had no problem.
In terms of the subs, we were the better team in the system we were playing and I suspect Smith was hoping with the added energy we'd have a chance of nicking a goal. I'm not sure that with a point at stake it was the time to gamble with a change in system when we were doing ok.
But overall I thought Sheffield were really poor and all in all it feels like a missed opportunity.
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Their keepers one handed save from Davis was lucky/brilliant...
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Their keepers one handed save from Davis was lucky/brilliant...
Henderson is a quality keeper and did well yesterday.
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just received an email from the club that there is now extended highlights of lasts nights game to view (that will take all of 2 minutes to watch)
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A decent result against a top 6 side but thought we were well off the pace as were they .
Grealish non-existent , McGinn not fit , they should have had a goal.
Can't see how we will stay up we simply do not have the quality
Great to have you back. Great input on a game you clearly didn't see.
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"I think the goalkeeper was in the Holte End when he caught it," said Blades boss Chris Wilder.
So it was out of play then. Thanks Chris for stating it wasn't a goal.
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I liked Konsa at right back. He gives us less to worry about. The down side, like when Mellberg or Cueller used to play there, is that he won't delivery anything (useful) from wide, but AEG should have been making more about having a bit more freedom to not look behind him too much. It'll help us I think to keep him there and not break into the opposition third too much (because on the other side, Targett does that whilst Jack comes in field). It just means we need more chalk on boots work from whoever plays right wing.
Guilbert is good going forward but he leaves acres of space in behind, and we don't have anyone ahead on the right who can defend.
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I thought we were mostly the better side, which is encouraging.
I'm not going to cry for Sheffield's missed goal when we should have had one and possibly two penalties. How can a player physically throw mings to the ground in the area to stop him attacking the ball and it not be a pen?
I was impressed with Davis but wish he could take his opportunities.
I don't get the criticism of Nyland - he had taken the ball smartly and was pushed into the goal by his own player. If the collision didn't happen he had no problem.
In terms of the subs, we were the better team in the system we were playing and I suspect Smith was hoping with the added energy we'd have a chance of nicking a goal. I'm not sure that with a point at stake it was the time to gamble with a change in system when we were doing ok.
But overall I thought Sheffield were really poor and all in all it feels like a missed opportunity.
Yes, good summary, Chris.
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A decent result against a top 6 side but thought we were well off the pace as were they .
Grealish non-existent , McGinn not fit , they should have had a goal.
Can't see how we will stay up we simply do not have the quality
Great to have you back. Great input on a game you clearly didn't see.
How original.you'll be calling me a Nose next...I watched the full 90 minutes with my NowTV Day Pass sent to Season Ticket Holders
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Dean's post-match interview, in which he says he's disappointed with just a point and says he thinks it will be an advantage for Chelsea that they've had longer to prepare. He says though it was a good performance, we were the more aggressive side, and the goal should have stood but we've had our fair share of bad luck this season.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/53087082 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/53087082)
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A decent result against a top 6 side but thought we were well off the pace as were they .
Grealish non-existent , McGinn not fit , they should have had a goal.
Can't see how we will stay up we simply do not have the quality
Great to have you back. Great input on a game you clearly didn't see.
How original.you'll be calling me a Nose next...I watched the full 90 minutes with my NowTV Day Pass sent to Season Ticket Holders
Bless. I don’t need to know how you got access to the game.
“Grealish non existent”. Like the part where he cut through midfield, sent through a defence splitting pass to set up the best chance of the game.
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I watched the match earler today so facts are (ATM obviously).
We were the better team throughout.
We had good chances and that one handed save from their keeper was very good.
We should have had 2 pens.
They are claiming a goal that was not ruled in by available technology. Tough.
Other than that they had one chance with Hause providing the assist but our defence did well to recover.
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Loving all the haters bitching online about the ghost goal.
Yes, if we had been denied 3 points that way, i would be fuming, but we have been fu**ed over enough times by the technology that this is just karma redressing the balance.
Great to see how the Villa doing well winds up so many people.
You love to see it.
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The ball could have hit the net and not been given, and it still wouldn't get anywhere near the travesty of justice that Kevin Friend administered at Palace.
Sorry for Sheff Utd and Chris Wilder, there are far more worthy candidates for said injustice and they've had their fair share this season, but fuck me we've been due one.
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Dean's post-match interview, in which he says he's disappointed with just a point and says he thinks it will be an advantage for Chelsea that they've had longer to prepare. He says though it was a good performance, we were the more aggressive side, and the goal should have stood but we've had our fair share of bad luck this season.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/53087082 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/53087082)
Chelsea may have had longer to prepare but we have a game under our belt. I suspect we may be a little bit sharper than Chelsea.
As for the Sheffield United game I tipped the draw and they had been having an excellent season so we bank the draw ('owt's better than nowt'). We had a big decision go our way but we also had a nailed on penalty shout go against us so I am not going to listen to any crap (probably from noses) about us being lucky.
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If the ball stays in contact with the post and the post and the line are treated as one in the same, does that mean it wasn't a goal in any event? I mean it wasn't as the referee didn't give it.
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If the ball stays in contact with the post and the post and the line are treated as one in the same, does that mean it wasn't a goal in any event? I mean it wasn't as the referee didn't give it.
Exactly my thoughts yesterday.
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If the ball stays in contact with the post and the post and the line are treated as one in the same, does that mean it wasn't a goal in any event? I mean it wasn't as the referee didn't give it.
I liked the way he adjusted to that position, but when he first went back the ball was about a foot over the line at the furthest point.
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I thought it a poor game with both sides looking well out of condition and that resulted in a distinct lack of quality all over the field. We have rushed back with undue haste and second half was littered with mistakes from all.
Mings looked comfortable, Davis a real problem for their defence and Jack showed the only real quality from anyone, despite looking well off the pace overall.
We looked like we had done most of the season, plucky triers with few looking like they really belong at PL level.
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And Danny Mills is a ****.
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If the ball stays in contact with the post and the post and the line are treated as one in the same, does that mean it wasn't a goal in any event? I mean it wasn't as the referee didn't give it.
I liked the way he adjusted to that position, but when he first went back the ball was about a foot over the line at the furthest point.
Yep, it was like being given out LBW and then shifting your position to try to con the umpire. Canny.
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Yep, it was like being given out LBW and then shifting your position to try to con the umpire. Canny.
Yes but somehow Aussies (they are the only ones who do that ok. ) never look as guilty as Nyland did last night.
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I thought it a poor game with both sides looking well out of condition and that resulted in a distinct lack of quality all over the field. We have rushed back with undue haste and second half was littered with mistakes from all.
Mings looked comfortable, Davis a real problem for their defence and Jack showed the only real quality from anyone, despite looking well off the pace overall.
We looked like we had done most of the season, plucky triers with few looking like they really belong at PL level.
I agree with that, both teams looked well of the pace. Jack got better in the 2nd half, McGinn looked very rusty, Luiz played really well. Our defence were not troubled but still show too many silly mistakes which could cost us for next games. I would drop El Ghazi, and try Trez vs Chelsea.
Still, not football though is it.
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Those of us of a certain age will recall Pat McMahon's 'goal' against Leicester in 1970 that was not given, as the ball came back off the stanchion. They do say that luck evens itself out over time.
My dad (god rest him) was at the game and growing up used to tell me that story every time we played Leicester, convinced it was a conspiracy to relegate us
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In 2069 I'll still be moaning about Kevin Fucking Friend.
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In 2069 I'll still be moaning about Kevin Fucking Friend.
People will still be saying 'Keinan Davis just needs a goal'.
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Whatever people say about the 'goal' that Sheff Utd didn't get (and yes, it should have been a goal), to me, it just makes up for the point we didn't get at Palace for our disallowed 'goal'.
Tough on Sheff Utd, but a bit of balance restored for us.
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Tough on Sheff Utd, tough on the causes of Sheff Utd.
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Whatever people say about the 'goal' that Sheff Utd didn't get (and yes, it should have been a goal), to me, it just makes up for the point we didn't get at Palace for our disallowed 'goal'.
Tough on Sheff Utd, but a bit of balance restored for us.
This!
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Mixed feelings on the result.
On the one hand I am pleased we didn't lose and looked as good as they did as I feared a mauling. However we also do not look like a team that will win any games anytime soon, and I still have little faith in the manager to motivate the players, select a winning formation, or make substitutions that have an impact.
For me it was a 'must win' game, as I am looking at the fixture list with little confidence we will turn our poor form around now. I was hoping for a better Villa than the one hurtling towards relegation before the pause in the season and we didn't see that last night. Instead we saw a slightly better defence (that still looked vulnerable to mistakes), a slightly better midfield (that was still one paced and lacking invention and stamina), and a toothless attack. A win would have given a boost in confidence going in to a tough few games.
The positives for me were that Target looked a lot better, the clean sheet, and Davis who was far better the Wesley has been. Grealish and McGinn were disappointing but we know they will come good as both are excellent players.
Negatives were the formation, the lack of goal threat (good as Davis was he needs a more prolific partner), the poor performance from Samata (who was looking good prior to lockdown), and the goalkeeper.
Still close to safety but no longer in our hands and a tougher fixture list than those around us. Lets hope we get a nice surprise on Sunday.
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I'm happy that we didn't lose I thought Keinan did well on his first Premier League start he put himself about and could have scored but for good saves from Henderson the defence looked good I would have loved three points but we move on to Chelsea now we really need some wins.
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We had to win. We didn’t. I absolutely fear the worst now.
We didn't have to win at all.
We have to gain a point on 2 clubs above us over the course of 9 (difficult but aren't they all) games. There's plenty to play for.
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That is a useful point in my opinion. If we can get a point at the weekend, I think three wins might be enough from - Newcastle, Palace, Arsenal and Wolves.... We also have that last game of the season against West Ham, but hopefully job will be done by then.
Before yesterday we were on 25 points and thought we needed 4 wins minimum. Now we have that point under our belts, and looked capable of keeping things tight, we might just grind our way to safety.
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After sleeping on it, here are my thoughts on the Sheffield "goal": Tough shit Blades! UTV!
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Luiz looking fit and 'at the races' was one of the biggest bonuses of last night.
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we looked like a team who'd have beaten Arsenal last night. Crikey did they look shit.
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i really hope crowds can safely return in September - as a viewing spectacle it made watching paint dry exciting.
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We should have had a pen first half, has that been debated?
Overall I thought we did okay. We made some decent chances and in reality Nyland didn't have that much to do. We don't half put pressure on ourselves though. The needless foul for the freekick that lead to the non goal and the stupid pass in front of our own box in the 2nd half being the worst. we really have to cut that out of our game.
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i really hope crowds can safely return in September - as a viewing spectacle it made watching paint dry exciting.
I didn't think it was that bad with the crowd noise Sky pumped in. I read somewhere they are aleady talking about how to let fans back in at some point in the future.
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i really hope crowds can safely return in September - as a viewing spectacle it made watching paint dry exciting.
I wouldn’t hold your breath. I can’t see how things will change sufficiently in 3 months.
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The fact the 'goal' has triggered so many Leeds fans is very, very, satisfying.
Biesla would never have allowed us a goal if there had been anything at stake in the game. Leeds were already out of the top 2 and in the play offs so he wasn’t really giving anything away
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For a horrible moment at the start of the second half I thought we were going to let them walk through.
I reckon Smith may have been sacked if he'd have allowed it.
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For a horrible moment at the start of the second half I thought we were going to let them walk through.
I reckon Smith may have been sacked if he'd have allowed it.
I thought that. A few of our players seemed to be having a word with the ref when they were walking out for the second half.
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Was never a question of letting them score - the Leeds one was because everyone stopped then that tool decided to play on because he saw everyone else had stopped - last night was simply a bad official decision, even now I don’t get with the ball being in play for a good 45 seconds afterwards why VAR/4th official wouldn’t tell Oliver they needed a review.
It doesn’t make up for the Palace one in the slightest either because that was guaranteed robbery of a point being right at end of game, this was a mistake before half time, more than enough time for game to have changed.
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Goal line technology?
Apparently Nyland had a jamming device sewn into his gloves.
As it says on our badge: Prepared.
whoever forgot to pay the Hawkeye subscription deserves a bonus
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The fact the 'goal' has triggered so many Leeds fans is very, very, satisfying.
Biesla would never have allowed us a goal if there had been anything at stake in the game. Leeds were already out of the top 2 and in the play offs so he wasn’t really giving anything away
Similar to the di Canio one, which if you look at it closely wasn't as open a goal as it seemed at the time.
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If the ball stays in contact with the post and the post and the line are treated as one in the same, does that mean it wasn't a goal in any event? I mean it wasn't as the referee didn't give it.
I liked the way he adjusted to that position, but when he first went back the ball was about a foot over the line at the furthest point.
Yep, it was like being given out LBW and then shifting your position to try to con the umpire. Canny.
hawk eye seems a bit more reliable in cricket
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Douglas Luiz is the type of player that if you just stick with him for a settling in season the following season you start to get the player we all wanted
imo we should have done this with a few of the French lads a few seasons ago as well
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Just seen the Punjabi Villians on bbc news, doing there zoom get together, for the game last night
What a great inclusive message it sent about our club
UTV
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i really hope crowds can safely return in September - as a viewing spectacle it made watching paint dry exciting.
I didn't think it was that bad with the crowd noise Sky pumped in. I read somewhere they are aleady talking about how to let fans back in at some point in the future.
I watched the first half with crowd noise and the second without. I have to say I think it was slightly better with. This surprised me as I thought the concept was ridiculous.
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Douglas Luiz is the type of player that if you just stick with him for a settling in season the following season you start to get the player we all wanted
imo we should have done this with a few of the French lads a few seasons ago as well
We went down though and the likes of Geyue didn't want to hang around.
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the stupid pass in front of our own box in the 2nd half being the worst. we really have to cut that out of our game.
I noticed with Hause last night he doesn't put his foot "through" the ball when he passes - especially with his right, don't know if this is true with his left. He sort of goes at an angle across the back of it. It seems to me that if he slightly misjudges the angle he leaves the ball open to being hit in a wildly different direction, or much too hard/soft. Either error possibly leading to giving the ball away.
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Nice to see Tom Hanks giving it some Up the Villa! on instagram last night.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBi_3yQpxDK/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/CBi_3yQpxDK/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
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The fact the 'goal' has triggered so many Leeds fans is very, very, satisfying.
Biesla would never have allowed us a goal if there had been anything at stake in the game. Leeds were already out of the top 2 and in the play offs so he wasn’t really giving anything away
Lest we forget it was pressure from the Villa bench that 'persuaded' Bielsa to allow the goal. Without them he'd have done nothing.
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Just seen the Punjabi Villians on bbc news, doing there zoom get together, for the game last night
What a great inclusive message it sent about our club
UTV
Yes I seen that too, quite a lengthy article too. Agree completely with you about the message it sends out.
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We should have had a pen first half, has that been debated?
Overall I thought we did okay. We made some decent chances and in reality Nyland didn't have that much to do. We don't half put pressure on ourselves though. The needless foul for the freekick that lead to the non goal and the stupid pass in front of our own box in the 2nd half being the worst. we really have to cut that out of our game.
On that foul I rewatched a bit of the game this morning and I reckon Egan had given Davis that same little nudge in the back about 10 times by that point, a couple meaning Davis misplaced headers and 1 where it meant he failed to control the ball but because Davis didn't throw himself to the ground none of them were given as fouls. If diving is ever going to be dealt with properly refs have to address that because not giving fouls if the players doesn't fall over makes diving, or at least over-acting, a necessity.
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the stupid pass in front of our own box in the 2nd half being the worst. we really have to cut that out of our game.
I noticed with Hause last night he doesn't put his foot "through" the ball when he passes - especially with his right, don't know if this is true with his left. He sort of goes at an angle across the back of it. It seems to me that if he slightly misjudges the angle he leaves the ball open to being hit in a wildly different direction, or much too hard/soft. Either error possibly leading to giving the ball away.
Good point. He does seem to slice the ball a lot rather than making a solid connection. When he attempts to play the ball down the line it always looks likely to go out and often does. Definitely a part of his game that needs attention,.
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Re; the cooling breaks. Are they being in place for all the remaining fixtures?
I appreciate the medical necessity for them but it’s another thing, along with the five subs, that feels like it’s going to kill the flow of games.
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In ye olde tymes, whenever the physio came on everybody was off to the touchline for a quaff. The break gives a chance for that to happen in a controlled manner. If it's done at a goal kick, then I don't think it really interrupts the flow. I don't think it'll stay forever, but players might get fussier about their own drinks bottles.
The five subs too is alright, you can still only use three occasions. I think that even if this gets binned after the 'Restart' completion, it'll be back and permanent within a couple of years. I think they'll use it at the Euros next year, come what may.
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Things we wouldn’t have said five years ago against Sheffield United. ‘A decent point against a top six side.’
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Last night evens up:
Rodriguez handling into the net.
The billy Sharp goal kicked out of the keepers hand even though he was useless.
The Palace equaliser.
McGinns goal against Burnley.
Wesleys heel offside against Burnley
Nigel Jemson’s headed goal against Wednesday.
The Inter Milan goal where the ball was out.
Two penalties not given yesterday.
Ashley Young’s dive at Old Trafford.
Halsey and the Henry free kick.
Fcuk the lot of them.
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We definitely got lucky with the tech yesterday but as others have said we've had some rotten luck previously with both VAR and crap officials, so not going to complain. That situation wasn't Nyland's fault, it looked to me like an unfortunate collision between him and Davies that took him over the line.
I thought we were the better side, looked good going forward at times without a real cutting edge. I think Davies played well and will score if given run of games. Also kept their "overlapping centre backs" occupied. Shame we can't/won't play both him and Samatta.
We still look very fragile defensively at times, often due to unforced errors.
Normally I'd be satisfied - unfortunately we're only getting out of this with wins though and difficult to see where they will come.
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Could a point per game keep us up? In other words, is there a chance 35 points, as it usually would, might still be enough? Before the break we all thought it would take 40 points. Maybe that's no longer the case given the disruptions for in-form Watford and the fact that you have to fancy the teams with bigger squads given the 5-subs situation?
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Just seen the Punjabi Villians on bbc news, doing there zoom get together, for the game last night
What a great inclusive message it sent about our club
UTV
Yes I seen that too, quite a lengthy article too. Agree completely with you about the message it sends out.
I posted about it on another thread. Agreed and they're good lads.
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Douglas Luiz is the type of player that if you just stick with him for a settling in season the following season you start to get the player we all wanted
imo we should have done this with a few of the French lads a few seasons ago as well
We went down though and the likes of Geyue didn't want to hang around.
Yeah it wasn’t by choice really, although we might have cashed in anyway.
That’s the problem with those players, if you have too many settling at the same time they don’t contribute enough and you just keep them warm for someone else when you get relegated and they start finding their feet. Like we’ve done this season.
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reminded me of one of those U23 games on you tube. At least we didnt lose but didnt really look like we got out of gear or we just run ot of ideas , thought sheffield was easily beatable on the night to be fair. John McG will at least get fitter towards the end and Luiz was big improvement , maybe DS needs to try the 2 strikers as i think Samogoal and Davis could work , for at least 65 mins .
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Last night evens up:
Rodriguez handling into the net.
The billy Sharp goal kicked out of the keepers hand even though he was useless.
The Palace equaliser.
McGinns goal against Burnley.
Wesleys heel offside against Burnley
Nigel Jemson’s headed goal against Wednesday.
The Inter Milan goal where the ball was out.
Two penalties not given yesterday.
Ashley Young’s dive at Old Trafford.
Halsey and the Henry free kick.
Fcuk the lot of them.
I would argue that luck or bad luck was almost evened up during last night's game itself. Yes, they should have been awarded a goal but there is no doubt whatever that Robinson held Mings back from getting a header on goal in the second half. As clear a penalty as you could see - but strangely no VAR overturn. I think the officials decided to do their own evening up.
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For anyone that hasn't seen it
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Last night evens up:
Rodriguez handling into the net.
The billy Sharp goal kicked out of the keepers hand even though he was useless.
The Palace equaliser.
McGinns goal against Burnley.
Wesleys heel offside against Burnley
Nigel Jemson’s headed goal against Wednesday.
The Inter Milan goal where the ball was out.
Two penalties not given yesterday.
Ashley Young’s dive at Old Trafford.
Halsey and the Henry free kick.
Fcuk the lot of them.
I think we have enjoyed quite a net benefit from Ashley Young dives.
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We where the better side and seemed like the kind of game a home crowd cheering us on would have got us over the live , without a crowd to keep them going both sets of players slowed down considerably.The late subs also didn't help .
KD did well but should of scored the early headed chance IMO.He might work better with Samatta alongside him.Konsa was solid at RB stopping attacks but going forward was no where and it hampered AEG getting into the game.
Luiz played well, was always in good positions and saved us when Hause misplaced his pass.
On plus side we didn't look threatened at back and didn't pick up any injuries.I'm hoping the extra match fitness will help against Chelsea.
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I think we will be a touch sharper than Chelsea. I might be clutching at straws here but you can always tell when a team is a week ahead in preseason friendlies. We've had a high intensity game under our belt now. Let's hope that's enough to turn Chelsea over.
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Last night evens up:
Rodriguez handling into the net.
The billy Sharp goal kicked out of the keepers hand even though he was useless.
The Palace equaliser.
McGinns goal against Burnley.
Wesleys heel offside against Burnley
Nigel Jemson’s headed goal against Wednesday.
The Inter Milan goal where the ball was out.
Two penalties not given yesterday.
Ashley Young’s dive at Old Trafford.
Halsey and the Henry free kick.
Fcuk the lot of them.
My God, how do you remember this stuff? I haven't heard Nigel Jemson's name for probably 20 years.
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Not a great surprise to hear Danny Mills saying there is no difference between what happened yesterday and Elland Road last season. I did think there was a chance he might grasp the fact that there was no guarantee that the game stays at 1-0 even if they allow the goal but that concept seemed alien to him as well.
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Think Nyland is a bit unfortunate to be getting this stick for ‘That goal’, if he hadn’t made contact with KD he was all clear.
I thought his reaction was excellent, too. He knew the ball was probably over, but pushed the ball to the post and kept his cool. Going back to the Enkelmann faux pas, he panicked and made the refs mind up.
Totally agree
Nylands reaction was inconsequential though wasn't it?
He couldn't have known that the referees watch could malfunction
I get that, but my point being had he panicked he'd have more than likely fell into the net or dropped the ball
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Some proper bollocks being talked on TalkSPORT just now. We’ve had more than our fair share of injustices in the past 12 months. They can just suck it all up, idiots.
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Not a great surprise to hear Danny Mills saying there is no difference between what happened yesterday and Elland Road last season. I did think there was a chance he might grasp the fact that there was no guarantee that the game stays at 1-0 even if they allow the goal but that concept seemed alien to him as well.
Danny Mills is a wanker.
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Some proper bollocks being talked on TalkSPORT just now. We’ve had more than our fair share of injustices in the past 12 months. They can just suck it all up, idiots.
Good. It's nice to be hated again, long may it continue, we need to harness it for a bit of us vs the world.
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Danny Mills and Danny Murphy, a prize pair of tools bringing down the good name of Dannies everywhere.
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Danny Drinkwater?
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Danny Drinkwater?
He’s bringing down the good name of drinking water.
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Danny Mills and Danny Murphy, a prize pair of tools bringing down the good name of Dannies everywhere.
Murphy has a thing about us, which is mystifying, and annoying, but I've listened to him talk well on other subjects and give genuine insight which is not often found in other ex-footballers.
Mills is just a full on bellend. He has a habit of grandstanding over trivial subjects, and making counter arguments that are flacid and obvious but going on like he's the only person in the world that has thought of it. And his whiny voice just gets my back up.
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Not a great surprise to hear Danny Mills saying there is no difference between what happened yesterday and Elland Road last season. I did think there was a chance he might grasp the fact that there was no guarantee that the game stays at 1-0 even if they allow the goal but that concept seemed alien to him as well.
They are world's apart because we did not cheat, Leeds did. We did not deliberately try to con anyone, Leeds did.
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Danny Mills and Danny Murphy, a prize pair of tools bringing down the good name of Dannies everywhere.
Danny Dyer?
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Danny Mills and Danny Murphy, a prize pair of tools bringing down the good name of Dannies everywhere.
Desperate.
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The thing I got most from the game, eventually, was the fact I could actually be comfortable and considerably wealthier by watching it from my armchair. The initial shock of an empty Villa Park and the piped in noise was actually quite upsetting.
The games itself? If in August we knew that with 10 games to go Keinan Davies was going to be our main striker I would have expected us to already be relegated and preparing for next season. That on top of Jack playing on the wing will get Smith sacked as I struggle to see how our owners, Mr Purslow or our Director of Football will agree or understand that tactic. I thought we wanted a club wide, 8 year olds to first team method of play? I never saw Brentford play hoof ball when they passed us off the pitch for 3 seasons.
That said we still have our destiny in our hands until the moment West Ham on the same games go 3 or more points ahead of us. Until then I’ll keep the (Blind) faith.
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What is obvious is that Jack our one reliable goal threat is playing out of position and has been all season, we need him closer to goal not on our half- back line, same with JM.
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The thing I got most from the game, eventually, was the fact I could actually be comfortable and considerably wealthier by watching it from my armchair. The initial shock of an empty Villa Park and the piped in noise was actually quite upsetting.
The games itself? If in August we knew that with 10 games to go Keinan Davies was going to be our main striker I would have expected us to already be relegated and preparing for next season. That on top of Jack playing on the wing will get Smith sacked as I struggle to see how our owners, Mr Purslow or our Director of Football will agree or understand that tactic. I thought we wanted a club wide, 8 year olds to first team method of play? I never saw Brentford play hoof ball when they passed us off the pitch for 3 seasons.
That said we still have our destiny in our hands until the moment West Ham on the same games go 3 or more points ahead of us. Until then I’ll keep the (Blind) faith.
I've been thinking that for ages. The only answer I can come up with is that it's easy to look like that against a Bruce side.
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Well was that it?the vast improvement due to a 3 months reappraisal period, failed to materialise, it’s not all negative we got a midfielder who was motm who wasn’t JG or Super John that surely bodes well for the future, we really do have a mountain to climb.
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Could a point per game keep us up? In other words, is there a chance 35 points, as it usually would, might still be enough? Before the break we all thought it would take 40 points. Maybe that's no longer the case given the disruptions for in-form Watford and the fact that you have to fancy the teams with bigger squads given the 5-subs situation?
I think we can make that call this time next week after 2 full rounds of fixtures so we can see if weird assed results are happening - from our game it looked like teams were out on their feet after 60-65 mins so I would expect lots of late goals & cheap points in those first couple of rounds of games.
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Still think we need another 13 points to stay up. I had us down for a draw wednesday on my 'map for staying up' so on track so far.
Hoping our fitness v chelsea gets us something
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This is in today's newspaper:
Sports lawyers have suggested Sheffield United would have a legal case to pursue the Premier League should the club miss out on a European spot as a result of the Hawk-Eye blunder.
However, the Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL) is understood to be resistant to the possibility of any changes in its protocol, and is opposed to using the video assistant referee to double check any future mistakes.
Any increased use of Var would lead to further criticism for the technology delaying the flow of play, officials believe. "Last night was a freak... a perfect storm," one source close to the organisation said.
Sports lawyer Nick De Marco QC, of Blackstone Chambers, has said, however, that both United and clubs finishing a point below Villa in the relegation fight could have a “good claim”.
“If Sheffield United end up being denied qualification for a Uefa competition by two points or less, or another club finishes a point below Aston Villa at the end of the season and is relegated instead of them, considering the amount of money at stake you cannot rule out a club bringing a claim against the Premier League, the providers of the technology, or both," he said. "Such a claim might be unprecedented, but, depending on all the circumstances, it could be a good claim.”
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This is in today's newspaper:
Sports lawyers have suggested Sheffield United would have a legal case to pursue the Premier League should the club miss out on a European spot as a result of the Hawk-Eye blunder.
However, the Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL) is understood to be resistant to the possibility of any changes in its protocol, and is opposed to using the video assistant referee to double check any future mistakes.
Any increased use of Var would lead to further criticism for the technology delaying the flow of play, officials believe. "Last night was a freak... a perfect storm," one source close to the organisation said.
Sports lawyer Nick De Marco QC, of Blackstone Chambers, has said, however, that both United and clubs finishing a point below Villa in the relegation fight could have a “good claim”.
“If Sheffield United end up being denied qualification for a Uefa competition by two points or less, or another club finishes a point below Aston Villa at the end of the season and is relegated instead of them, considering the amount of money at stake you cannot rule out a club bringing a claim against the Premier League, the providers of the technology, or both," he said. "Such a claim might be unprecedented, but, depending on all the circumstances, it could be a good claim.”
Translation - There is no chance whatsoever of this ending in a legal claim but I get a free advert for me and my Chambers out of commenting on it.
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Well Lawyers are complete ****s. Present company excepted of course.
I am sure they have an oath which starts like "Introduce conflict wherever there is accord...
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Haha thinking exactly that Richard. Off you pop, you fancy dress wearing clown.
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That chap seems to make a very nice living out of football doesn't he. I came across his name when looking at something and looked at his bio on his chambers website a few weeks back, he's been involved in nearly every football case as far back as I can remember.
I cant see the PL being too keen on anyone going to court about on-field decisions, it would never cease.
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I appeared once in front of Paul Gilroy QC, who is another specialist in this area and represented MON against us, when he was sitting as an Employment Judge in Birmingham. He was very good (i.e. we won.)
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O'Neill is currently mounting a legal challenge against an amateur club in Donegal building new pitches/clubhouse very close to where he owns an old cottage.
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I'm still furious that O'Neill hasn't got a law degree.
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There’s a clear difference with the Leeds incident for me. I don’t even agree with Dean’s view that it’s about us kicking the ball out when they had a player down, but them not reciprocating. If it had been purely that it would have been bloody annoying and in poor character, but ultimately it’s tough. The reason Leeds behaved so poorly was that their player feigned kicking the ball out to manipulate an advantage. It was a very specific deceitful act that needed correcting.
You don’t want a precedent where everybody should do the official’s job, because where does it end.
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There’s a clear difference with the Leeds incident for me. I don’t even agree with Dean’s view that it’s about us kicking the ball out when they had a player down, but them not reciprocating. If it had been purely that it would have been bloody annoying and in poor character, but ultimately it’s tough. The reason Leeds behaved so poorly was that their player feigned kicking the ball out to manipulate an advantage. It was a very specific deceitful act that needed correcting.
You don’t want a precedent where everybody should do the official’s job, because where does it end.
Agree completely, we, and a couple of their players, waved for him to put the ball out, he stopped as if he was going to but then because their forward carried on his run he played him in instead. That's not remotely the same as benefiting from a mistake by the officials which happens all the time in varying degrees. As has been said before this is not even as bad what Friend did against palace but I can't recall rent-a-gob twats on the radio talking about legal action or saying Palace should've let us walk one in over that.
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There’s a clear difference with the Leeds incident for me. I don’t even agree with Dean’s view that it’s about us kicking the ball out when they had a player down, but them not reciprocating. If it had been purely that it would have been bloody annoying and in poor character, but ultimately it’s tough. The reason Leeds behaved so poorly was that their player feigned kicking the ball out to manipulate an advantage. It was a very specific deceitful act that needed correcting.
You don’t want a precedent where everybody should do the official’s job, because where does it end.
Agree completely, we, and a couple of their players, waved for him to put the ball out, he stopped as if he was going to but then because their forward carried on his run he played him in instead. That's not remotely the same as benefiting from a mistake by the officials which happens all the time in varying degrees. As has been said before this is not even as bad what Friend did against palace but I can't recall rent-a-gob twats on the radio talking about legal action or saying Palace should've let us walk one in over that.
Because it wasn't on TV. There's now a large element of passive television football watchers who work themselves into a fenzy every time something happens that doesn't fit their narative of 'fairness'. In their eyes there's no such thing as human error; football is being dumbed down to the same standards as a computer game.
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Fair enough if they get it replayed.
I’ll be looking forward to getting another crack at Palace and Arsenal away, and also another go at winning the League Cup.
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It didn't sit comfortably with me though. It was a catastrophic mistake in what supposedly is the most professional of sports.I do suspect that had we been sitting comfortably in mid table we might have allowed them a walk in goal. Would Wilder have let us walk one in if the boot was on the other foot? But with the stakes so high for us it was never a possibility. All these pundits though. State of football today. Wait until Soccer Saturday starts.
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It didn't sit comfortably with me though. It was a catastrophic mistake in what supposedly is the most professional of sports.I do suspect that had we been sitting comfortably in mid table we might have allowed them a walk in goal. Would Wilder have let us walk one in if the boot was on the other foot? But with the stakes so high for us it was never a possibility. All these pundits though. State of football today. Wait until Soccer Saturday starts.
Why would we let them walk in a goal? The players and staff didn’t know for sure until half time and like most people, couldn’t believe that the GDS system had failed for the first time in over 9000 games!!
Obviously, I’d have been fuming had that been the other way around. Fuming with the tech, the ref, VAR. I certainly wouldn’t have expected Chris Wilder to let us walk in a goal.
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I wasn't hugely comfortable with it either, but then I get irritated by players claiming a throw in or corner when they know it hit them last.
With that said, why would you let them walk a goal in when clearly all the decision making sytems are imperfect? For me we should have had at least 1 pen and maybe 2. As far as I'm concerned we were let down by the referee and VAR as we have been a number of times this season. Yes, the goal decision was far more cut and dried than an objective decision, but nobody can argue we haven't had our fair share of bullshit decisions this season. So until every decision is perfect - fuck 'em.
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I wouldn't have expected them to give us a walk in goal if it was the other way round.
I would have expected us to give Leeds a walk in goal if one of ours had pulled that shithouse stunt of faking to put it out of play.
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Huge difference, the perpetrators were Leeds and they were therefore responsible.
The Other night was the fault and responsibility of the Officials.
Neither situation was caused by or the responsibility of Aston Villa.
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Yet we had to ask Leeds to do it. Bielsa would never have given it otherwise. Mind you, there was the language barrier that had to be got over first.
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Huge difference, the perpetrators were Leeds and they were therefore responsible.
The Other night was the fault and responsibility of the Officials.
Neither situation was caused by or the responsibility of Aston Villa.
Except every Villa player knew it was a goal.
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Huge difference, the perpetrators were Leeds and they were therefore responsible.
The Other night was the fault and responsibility of the Officials.
Neither situation was caused by or the responsibility of Aston Villa.
Except every Villa player knew it was a goal.
Prove it.
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This is getting absolutely fucking ridiculous now. There have been 'wrong' decisions made ever since the game was founded. There have been mistakes made by every bit of new technology. There's never been any of this bollocks about letting the other team score or replays before now, yet to hear some of our own supporters we're in the wrong.
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Roy Keane is on SKY to sum up the Norwich v Southampton game. When asked about his thoughts on the Villa v Sheff U game he said "Villa looked like they were just going through the motions". He went on to say they didn't seem to realise the urgency of their relegation predicament.
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Huge difference, the perpetrators were Leeds and they were therefore responsible.
The Other night was the fault and responsibility of the Officials.
Neither situation was caused by or the responsibility of Aston Villa.
Except every Villa player knew it was a goal.
Not every one knew and it was still not Our responsibility.
Filbert Street, San Siro, Rodriguez punching it into the net, Palace.
None of these mistakes got rectified.
It was a fuck up just like so many other fuck ups.
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Roy Keane is on SKY to sum up the Norwich v Southampton game. When asked about his thoughts on the Villa v Sheff U game he said "Villa looked like they were just going through the motions". He went on to say they didn't seem to realise the urgency of their relegation predicament.
This is another bit of the prevailing narrative that is starting to piss me off. Villa played pretty well the other night, better than a team vying for Champions League football. The fact we weren’t 100% sharp or fit is hardly surprising. You can’t just switch it on at will, especially having not played for 3 months. In fact anybody who has the slightest clue about Villa would note the level of defensive discipline and retention of shape was a sign of real effort.
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Roy Keane can go fuck himself.
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He went on to say they didn't seem to realise the urgency of their relegation predicament.
He's been nosing around on here. (winky thing)
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Big Sam on talk sport this morning "i would of thougjt Dean and Aston Villa would have allowed Sheffield a walk in. It would have been the right thing to do. Good sportmanship should always take priority" Then he bought up the Leeds comparison.You know big Sam, that stalwart of good sportsmanship and fairness? I nearly crashed my fucking van. Someone did call in and point out many many occasions when a ball blatantly went over the line and no one mentioned a "walk in" for the opposition. Best example being Schmiechel at Old Trafford. He dragged a ball back from about a yard over the line. Lampard against Germany another one a yard over the line. Nothing said about Man Utd & Germany respectively. It's all bollocks and they can all go fuck themselves.
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This is in today's newspaper:
Sports lawyers have suggested Sheffield United would have a legal case to pursue the Premier League should the club miss out on a European spot as a result of the Hawk-Eye blunder.
However, the Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL) is understood to be resistant to the possibility of any changes in its protocol, and is opposed to using the video assistant referee to double check any future mistakes.
Any increased use of Var would lead to further criticism for the technology delaying the flow of play, officials believe. "Last night was a freak... a perfect storm," one source close to the organisation said.
Sports lawyer Nick De Marco QC, of Blackstone Chambers, has said, however, that both United and clubs finishing a point below Villa in the relegation fight could have a “good claim”.
“If Sheffield United end up being denied qualification for a Uefa competition by two points or less, or another club finishes a point below Aston Villa at the end of the season and is relegated instead of them, considering the amount of money at stake you cannot rule out a club bringing a claim against the Premier League, the providers of the technology, or both," he said. "Such a claim might be unprecedented, but, depending on all the circumstances, it could be a good claim.”
Translation - There is no chance whatsoever of this ending in a legal claim but I get a free advert for me and my Chambers out of commenting on it.
So going by that I'll assume we'd have a good claim for when we were denied at Palace, and all the other VAR fk ups?
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Roy Keane can go fuck himself.
I think he was spot on! A distinct lack of urgency all round, particularly from our star ‘all ready leaving’ player.
My mum pointed out that he hadn’t broken sweat.
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Roy Keane can go fuck himself.
I think he was spot on! A distinct lack of urgency all round, particularly from our star ‘all ready leaving’ player.
My mum pointed out that he hadn’t broken sweat.
I'm sorry but i disagree. I thought he put in his usual shift of drawing fouls, linking play and ghosting past good players like they're not there. And his driving run in the second half followed by a sublime defence splitting pass was pure class. People are expexting him to shit a golden nugget every game if not they say he had a quiet game. The old saying "you don't know what you've got till it's gone" will apply to a lot of our fans when he leaves.
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Roy Keane can go fuck himself.
I think he was spot on! A distinct lack of urgency all round, particularly from our star ‘all ready leaving’ player.
My mum pointed out that he hadn’t broken sweat.
I'm sorry but i disagree. I thought he put in his usual shift of drawing fouls, linking play and ghosting past good players like they're not there. And his driving run in the second half followed by a sublime defence splitting pass was pure class. People are expexting him to shit a golden nugget every game if not they say he had a quiet game. The old saying "you don't know what you've got till it's gone" will apply to a lot of our fans when he leaves.
He wasn't outstanding - although there was one great pass - but then neither was anyone else on either side. They've had a long break and were bound to be less than 100%. I've no doubt he'll play much better next time.
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Roy Keane can go fuck himself.
I think he was spot on! A distinct lack of urgency all round, particularly from our star ‘all ready leaving’ player.
My mum pointed out that he hadn’t broken sweat.
I'm sorry but i disagree. I thought he put in his usual shift of drawing fouls, linking play and ghosting past good players like they're not there. And his driving run in the second half followed by a sublime defence splitting pass was pure class. People are expexting him to shit a golden nugget every game if not they say he had a quiet game. The old saying "you don't know what you've got till it's gone" will apply to a lot of our fans when he leaves.
I’m not saying we won’t miss him! Christ, he’s irreplaceable! My point was that I agreed with Keanes comments about him laughing and smiling. I also saw a lack urgency from him and the other players. Bollocks to ‘it’s the first game back’! Indeed it is the first game and back and it was the most important. As it turns out, we missed out on a huge two points to a very below par Sheffield Utd side.
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We were breathing out of their arses for the last 10 minutes having matched/arguably been better than a physical side like t'Blades for most of the game. We were shite most of the time when Keane was responsible for coaching us, he's a permanently pissed-off Cork cnut who can fuck right off.
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We were breathing out of their arses for the last 10 minutes having matched/arguably been better than a physical side like t'Blades for most of the game. We were shite most of the time when Keane was responsible for coaching us, he's a permanently pissed-off Cork cnut who can fuck right off.
We disagree then: I don’t think it was good enough, given the enormity of situation we’ve got ourselves into.
We agree: Keane is a ******, but he had a point in this instance.
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Roy Keane can go fuck himself.
I think he was spot on! A distinct lack of urgency all round, particularly from our star ‘all ready leaving’ player.
My mum pointed out that he hadn’t broken sweat.
I'm sorry but i disagree. I thought he put in his usual shift of drawing fouls, linking play and ghosting past good players like they're not there. And his driving run in the second half followed by a sublime defence splitting pass was pure class. People are expexting him to shit a golden nugget every game if not they say he had a quiet game. The old saying "you don't know what you've got till it's gone" will apply to a lot of our fans when he leaves.
I’m not saying we won’t miss him! Christ, he’s irreplaceable! My point was that I agreed with Keanes comments about him laughing and smiling. I also saw a lack urgency from him and the other players. Bollocks to ‘it’s the first game back’! Indeed it is the first game and back and it was the most important. As it turns out, we missed out on a huge two points to a very below par Sheffield Utd side.
What a bastard, how fucking dare he enjoy his first game in 3 months!
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I did t see it that way, I saw players trying to pace themselves and win the game.
I thought Sheffield Utd tried to do a number on us by being organised and defensive in the hope of nicking one.
Keane is hired to be Roy Keane, it’s like complaining about Talkshite.
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Roy Keane can go fuck himself.
I think he was spot on! A distinct lack of urgency all round, particularly from our star ‘all ready leaving’ player.
My mum pointed out that he hadn’t broken sweat.
I'm sorry but i disagree. I thought he put in his usual shift of drawing fouls, linking play and ghosting past good players like they're not there. And his driving run in the second half followed by a sublime defence splitting pass was pure class. People are expexting him to shit a golden nugget every game if not they say he had a quiet game. The old saying "you don't know what you've got till it's gone" will apply to a lot of our fans when he leaves.
I’m not saying we won’t miss him! Christ, he’s irreplaceable! My point was that I agreed with Keanes comments about him laughing and smiling. I also saw a lack urgency from him and the other players. Bollocks to ‘it’s the first game back’! Indeed it is the first game and back and it was the most important. As it turns out, we missed out on a huge two points to a very below par Sheffield Utd side.
What a bastard, how fucking dare he enjoy his first game in 3 months!
This made me laugh 😂😂
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Roy Keane can go fuck himself.
I think he was spot on! A distinct lack of urgency all round, particularly from our star ‘all ready leaving’ player.
My mum pointed out that he hadn’t broken sweat.
I'm sorry but i disagree. I thought he put in his usual shift of drawing fouls, linking play and ghosting past good players like they're not there. And his driving run in the second half followed by a sublime defence splitting pass was pure class. People are expexting him to shit a golden nugget every game if not they say he had a quiet game. The old saying "you don't know what you've got till it's gone" will apply to a lot of our fans when he leaves.
I’m not saying we won’t miss him! Christ, he’s irreplaceable! My point was that I agreed with Keanes comments about him laughing and smiling. I also saw a lack urgency from him and the other players. Bollocks to ‘it’s the first game back’! Indeed it is the first game and back and it was the most important. As it turns out, we missed out on a huge two points to a very below par Sheffield Utd side.
What a bastard, how fucking dare he enjoy his first game in 3 months!
This made me laugh 😂😂
Hopefully he’ll be laughing and smiling after we’ve picked up 3 points against Chelsea on Sunday.
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Roy Keane is on SKY to sum up the Norwich v Southampton game. When asked about his thoughts on the Villa v Sheff U game he said "Villa looked like they were just going through the motions". He went on to say they didn't seem to realise the urgency of their relegation predicament.
This is another bit of the prevailing narrative that is starting to piss me off. Villa played pretty well the other night, better than a team vying for Champions League football. The fact we weren’t 100% sharp or fit is hardly surprising. You can’t just switch it on at will, especially having not played for 3 months. In fact anybody who has the slightest clue about Villa would note the level of defensive discipline and retention of shape was a sign of real effort.
Sheffield United while well organised defensively are a very average side. They hardly had a shot all game and were more than happy to play for a point. Let's not overestimate how good they are. Their front two, McBurnie and Sharp, are championship standard forwards and provided zero threat.
I thought it looked inevitable we would score in that spell after half time but Smith's changes didn't help matters at all while Sheff Utds duo help them wrest back some bit of control. I was worried when I saw our midfield three but we broke even at least in there.
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Out of interest, has anyone read anything at all in the national media about the two penalties we could have had against the Blades, that were not even reviewed under VAR for some reason?
The shower of bastards took over three minutes to award a dubious pen to Spuds when we played them, so I wondered where the consistency of the rules had gone.
Unless, of course, the rule is simply "F*ck Villa."
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And on that Chelsea Thread should be up ?!
Can we have it soon please game is on Sunday
Then it's onto Newacstle- Monday evening /Tuesday morning ?
Let's keep on top of things here shall we !
Thick and fast these matches now so have to be up to date !
Can't you start a thread, Footy?