Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave shelley on April 17, 2020, 06:33:56 PM
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Prompted by seeing the fight between Norman Hunter and Francis Lee in the death thread I got to thinking, who was the first player(s) you ever witnessed getting their marching orders?
Having been watching the Villa since 1957 the first I ever saw was at Villa Park where of all people Harry Burrows got sent off along with Clive Clarke of the Albion for fighting. Clarke was a right niggly little bastard. This was about 1962 and in those days was a rare sight.
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Brendan Ormsby (I think) away at Wolves in about 1979.
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Tony Morley at Villa park in the cup against Albion. I think he was sent off in the tunnel at half time so it was all a bit confusing. The next was probably Colin Gibson in the Villa Park 'Battle Of Brum' against Small Heath in 1983.
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Dennis Law when he clattered Alan Deakin, who was already on the ground, on 16th November 1963.
As I also saw Derek Dougan play, he was probably sent off before that.
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Gary Thompson when he was playing for Coventry is the first one I remember, must have been others before. The Holte responded with a chorus of monkey chants which to my shame I joined in with. Luckily my Dad had the wit to give me a dressing down.
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Joe Royle playing for Bristol City at the time at think , knocked Allan Evans spark out, didn’t wait for the ref to make a decision he just started walking .Must have been 1978 or 79 .
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Joe Royle playing for Bristol City at the time at think , knocked Allan Evans spark out, didn’t wait for the ref to make a decision he just started walking .Must have been 1978 or 79 .
He is the first one I can remember too, though as I’d been going down for a decade by then I may be overlooking somebody. Loads of fans ran down to the tunnel and spat at him which rightly sent him mad. I think this was covered in the papers over the weekend.
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Brendan Ormsby (I think) away at Wolves in about 1979.
Steve Bull elbowed him in the face in an aerial clash. Ormsby decked him with a right hook and they were both sent off. 1-1 draw.
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Gary Megson for Sheffield Wednesday at Villa Park in the League Cup, 87/88 season when we were in what was Division 2. I was only 9 but pretty sure he punched Mark Lillis? Think we won 2-1 then lost to Spurs in the next round.
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Gary Megson for Sheffield Wednesday at Villa Park in the League Cup, 87/88 season when we were in what was Division 2. I was only 9 but pretty sure he punched Mark Lillis? Think we won 2-1 then lost to Spurs in the next round.
I think it was the other way around. I think we beat Spurs 2-1 and then lost to Sheffield Wednesday in the next round.
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Gary Megson for Sheffield Wednesday at Villa Park in the League Cup, 87/88 season when we were in what was Division 2. I was only 9 but pretty sure he punched Mark Lillis? Think we won 2-1 then lost to Spurs in the next round.
I think it was the other way around. I think we beat Spurs 2-1 and then lost to Sheffield Wednesday in the next round.
Yep, come to think of it you are right!
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Brendan Ormsby (I think) away at Wolves in about 1979.
Steve Bull elbowed him in the face in an aerial clash. Ormsby decked him with a right hook and they were both sent off. 1-1 draw.
Steve Bull didn't make his league debut until 1985 and that was for West Brom. I think Andy Gray may have been sent off against us whilst playing for Wolves around that time. Possibly for a foul on Dennis Mortimer? I think it was in the early eighties in a League Cup tie.
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Not football related, but I took my lad to our local team rugby match. He went on to play for them. We were playing Preston Grasshoppers. One of our lads got sent off for a punch. After the game I took him to the club house for pop and crisps. When the locals learned it was his first game they asked him what he thought. He said it was good but our number 7 would end up on the naughty step.
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Brendan Ormsby (I think) away at Wolves in about 1979.
Steve Bull elbowed him in the face in an aerial clash. Ormsby decked him with a right hook and they were both sent off. 1-1 draw.
Steve Bull didn't make his league debut until 1985 and that was for West Brom. I think Andy Gray may have been sent off against us whilst playing for Wolves around that time. Possibly for a foul on Dennis Mortimer? I think it was in the early eighties in a League Cup tie.
John Richards was involved in the fight with Ormsby. Gray was sent off in a League Cup tie in 1981-82.
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Brendan Ormsby (I think) away at Wolves in about 1979.
Steve Bull elbowed him in the face in an aerial clash. Ormsby decked him with a right hook and they were both sent off. 1-1 draw.
Don’t think Steve Bull played for Wolves until much later
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Brendan Ormsby (I think) away at Wolves in about 1979.
Steve Bull elbowed him in the face in an aerial clash. Ormsby decked him with a right hook and they were both sent off. 1-1 draw.
Steve Bull didn't make his league debut until 1985 and that was for West Brom. I think Andy Gray may have been sent off against us whilst playing for Wolves around that time. Possibly for a foul on Dennis Mortimer? I think it was in the early eighties in a League Cup tie.
John Riochards was involved in the fight with Ormsby. Gray was sent off in a League Cup tie in 1981-82.
Andy Gray admitted in his autobiography that he never liked Dennis Mortimer as Mortimer was close to Ron Saunders. He also admitted that he deliberately went out to 'do' Mortimer that night.
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I was typing my response - Roger Johnson for SHA in 2010 - then I looked it up to check it was indeed Johnson, only to read that he wasn't sent off at all.
I had been going to games for over ten years by then, so I must've seen red cards before. But that was the earliest one I could definitely remember, and it didn't even happen!
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Similarly here I'd been going for years and remember Lee Hendrie getting sent off at QPR.
There was a game previously where we beat Arsenal one nil with a Yorke penalty and we were down to ten men.
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The first one I remember, and I wasn’t there but it was on telly, was Leighton Phillips for sticking 2 fingers up at the referee. I remember it being really shocking at the time.
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When I was a kid our local park team had a Centre forward whose name was Malcom McDonald, the team also used to playin Black and white stripes.
Anyway said player fouled their Centre half and the ref got his book out,
Ref “ Name “
Player “Malcom McDonald”
Ref “ enough of your funny business” and the ref duly sent him off.
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I recall being down at the Dell as a young kid and we ended up losing 4-1. It must have been Bosnich maybe who was sent off as Neil Cox ended up going in goal.
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I recall being down at the Dell as a young kid and we ended up losing 4-1. It must have been Bosnich maybe who was sent off as Neil Cox ended up going in goal.
I remember being at Highbury and Spink was sent off or injured (I can't remeber which now) and Platt went in goal. I think we lost 5-0. We missed the first thirty minutes of the game attempting to park somewhere.
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Whoever was the first player to be sent off at Villa Park in 1988/89, probably.
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Mine was that previously mentioned red for Gray at VP in 80/81, quite a surreal thing for me seeing someone I’d previously admired getting sent off. Oh well
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Alan Evans, 1983 against Barcelona. They’d already had 2 sent off. Weirdly, not the goalie who kicked Sid about 4 feet in the air when he scored his penalty.
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Ugo v Arsenal, coming from behind on Ian Wright.
We still won. Yorke chipped penalty game.
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I think Collymore in that crazy 4-2 defeat to Liverpool in 98. Cracker of a game, though.
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Brendan Ormsby (I think) away at Wolves in about 1979.
Steve Bull elbowed him in the face in an aerial clash. Ormsby decked him with a right hook and they were both sent off. 1-1 draw.
Steve Bull didn't make his league debut until 1985 and that was for West Brom. I think Andy Gray may have been sent off against us whilst playing for Wolves around that time. Possibly for a foul on Dennis Mortimer? I think it was in the early eighties in a League Cup tie.
My mistake! It was John Richards.
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I think the Clive Clark Harry Burrows was first although the one I really remember is Denis Law I couldn’t believe it.
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I remember Tony Morley getting sent off, it was at half time as they walked off the pitch and I’ve got a feeling that it was in a period when they’d stopped actually showing actual cards. You could see that something was going on from the Holte, he was arguing with the ref and a few around me said he’d been sent off but nothing was confirmed until he didn’t come out for the second half.
Around the same time I remember Ian Bowyer getting sent off in a Villa - Forest game but the memory of that is hazy.
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The first one I remember, and I wasn’t there but it was on telly, was Leighton Phillips for sticking 2 fingers up at the referee. I remember it being really shocking at the time.
I can’t remember if this was the same incident but I remember Leighton Phillips headbutting Terry Yorath.
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Garry Thompson for Coventry against us at Villa Park. 1982 or 83 I think.
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The first I can remember was Denis Law at Villa Park in 1963 in a game we won 4-0 (yes hard to imagine that score). He aimed a wild kick at Alan Deakin.
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The first I can remember was Denis Law at Villa Park in 1963 in a game we won 4-0 (yes hard to imagine that score). He aimed a wild kick at Alan Deakin.
Whoops, sorry border villain, just read the whole thread. Already mentioned.
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The first one I remember, and I wasn’t there but it was on telly, was Leighton Phillips for sticking 2 fingers up at the referee. I remember it being really shocking at the time.
I can’t remember if this was the same incident but I remember Leighton Phillips headbutting Terry Yorath.
I remember Leighton Phillips lifting, I think was Terry Naylor of Spurs from the floor by the front of his shirt and nutting him square-on which was missed by the referee and both linesmen.
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I recall being down at the Dell as a young kid and we ended up losing 4-1. It must have been Bosnich maybe who was sent off as Neil Cox ended up going in goal.
It was Spink who was sent off. That was the game when we piled onto the pitch at the end and broke the crossbar
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I really can't remember. I do remember Andy Townsend getting sent off in a 4-3 defeat against Wimbledon in BFRs final game. He then returned from his suspension to be sent off at Arsenal on Boxing Day. The media in some sections were trying to make out he was a dirty player which was nonsense. Then the following season he was unluckily sent off Vs Forest. There must have been others before his but these are the ones that come to mind.
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I recall being down at the Dell as a young kid and we ended up losing 4-1. It must have been Bosnich maybe who was sent off as Neil Cox ended up going in goal.
It was Spink who was sent off. That was the game when we piled onto the pitch at the end and broke the crossbar
After all these years you are finally confessing to this?
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The first one I remember, and I wasn’t there but it was on telly, was Leighton Phillips for sticking 2 fingers up at the referee. I remember it being really shocking at the time.
I can’t remember if this was the same incident but I remember Leighton Phillips headbutting Terry Yorath.
I remember Leighton Phillips lifting, I think was Terry Naylor of Spurs from the floor by the front of his shirt and nutting him square-on which was missed by the referee and both linesmen.
Didn't Naylor and Yorath look rather alike? Thinning blonde hair?
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The first one I remember, and I wasn’t there but it was on telly, was Leighton Phillips for sticking 2 fingers up at the referee. I remember it being really shocking at the time.
I can’t remember if this was the same incident but I remember Leighton Phillips headbutting Terry Yorath.
I remember Leighton Phillips lifting, I think was Terry Naylor of Spurs from the floor by the front of his shirt and nutting him square-on which was missed by the referee and both linesmen.
Didn't Naylor and Yorath look rather alike? Thinning blonde hair?
Was it away against Blues in late 76-77? I remember as a kid being taken by my dad and for some unearthly reason we stood on the Spion Kop and Phillips got sent off but I can't remember the circumstances.
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I recall being down at the Dell as a young kid and we ended up losing 4-1. It must have been Bosnich maybe who was sent off as Neil Cox ended up going in goal.
It was Spink who was sent off. That was the game when we piled onto the pitch at the end and broke the crossbar
Cheers, I wasn't confident it was Bosnich. I must have been 6 or 7 at the time and was spirited away pretty sharpish. I guess it must have been because trouble was brewing.
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I remember Tony Morley getting sent off, it was at half time as they walked off the pitch and I’ve got a feeling that it was in a period when they’d stopped actually showing actual cards. You could see that something was going on from the Holte, he was arguing with the ref and a few around me said he’d been sent off but nothing was confirmed until he didn’t come out for the second half.
Around the same time I remember Ian Bowyer getting sent off in a Villa - Forest game but the memory of that is hazy.
Tony Morley sat in the dugout with his back to the pitch for the whole of the second half.
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Dennis Law on his way off the pitch having done Alan Deakin.
(https://i.ibb.co/Hqktkcp/denis-law-being-jeered-november-1963-5425309.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hqktkcp)
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Not sure, but the first one I really remember was whilst listening to the audio commentary on BRMB (?) when Lee Hendrie got his marching orders vs QPR.
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I have apologised before for being a late arrival on the football scene due to my globetrotting as a child. My first of any note, or certainly the first that had an impact, would have been Ray Wilkins in England vs Morocco at the 86 World Cup. I think he was captain as well (?) and as a cricket fan felt this was entirely unbecoming in one charged with such a distinguished role... I realised later that the captaincy in the two sports beared little resemblence...
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Dennis Law on his way off the pitch having done Alan Deakin.
(https://i.ibb.co/Hqktkcp/denis-law-being-jeered-november-1963-5425309.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hqktkcp)
Great photo. My brother was with me and the other urchins standing by the players tunnel, he threw an apple core at Law and then legged it to the back where our dad and uncle were standing.
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The first one I remember was the first Barcelona player in the Super Cup. Having just checked it was Julio Alberto followed later in the same game by Marco's Alonso and Allan Evans
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Does anyone else remember Nobby Stiles doing something similar to what Law did to, I think, Lew Chatterley, and not getting sent off?
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Yes, Lew ended up with a real shiner, but actually spoke up for Stiles at the hearing!!
My first sending -off was Jimmy McGill of Huddersfield in 1967, for hacking down Brian Godfrey in the second half.
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Same as a couple of others already mentioned, when two Barca animals and Allan Evans were sent off in the Super Cup. What a night that was.
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Gary Megson for Sheffield Wednesday at Villa Park in the League Cup, 87/88 season when we were in what was Division 2. I was only 9 but pretty sure he punched Mark Lillis? Think we won 2-1 then lost to Spurs in the next round.
This is the first one I remember too. Beat Spurs in the previous round but lost to Wednesday that night. An incredibly shonkily edited video of it here with the incident in question about half way through.
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Dennis Law on his way off the pitch having done Alan Deakin.
(https://i.ibb.co/Hqktkcp/denis-law-being-jeered-november-1963-5425309.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hqktkcp)
Great photo. My brother was with me and the other urchins standing by the players tunnel, he threw an apple core at Law and then legged it to the back where our dad and uncle were standing.
Not sure if Denis Law was the first person i saw get sent off but he is certainly the first i remember. What a result that day as well..4-0
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Another one for Law '63. Had to wait a while for the next though - Sammy Morgan at Highbury, something that should make Bob Wilson cringe with shame.
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Another one for Law '63. Had to wait a while for the next though - Sammy Morgan at Highbury, something that should make Bob Wilson cringe with shame.
I was at that Highbury game and the blatant playacting from Wilson was as disgraceful as anything I'd seen up to that point. The self-absorbed twat that is Clive Thomas actually made that decision from the halfway line IIRC, which was one of the reasons I was so incenced. Oh the joy in the replay, the sheer terror that Wilson displayed when Sammy went anywhere near him and the crowd literally baying was almost tangible. Result notwithstanding, A great night, the place was rocking.
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For me, Garry Thompson then of Coventry for a reckless challenge on Allan Evans - 27/02/1982. Evans missed the 1st leg in Kiev as a result of that foul.
Followed by Ian Bowyer of Forest, 11/09/1982
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John Beck in the 2-2 game at VP.....'76 I think!
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The first one I remember was the first Barcelona player in the Super Cup. Having just checked it was Julio Alberto followed later in the same game by Marco's Alonso and Allan Evans
Alonso being the father of current Chelsea player Marco's Alonso jnr
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Gary Megson for Sheffield Wednesday at Villa Park in the League Cup, 87/88 season when we were in what was Division 2. I was only 9 but pretty sure he punched Mark Lillis? Think we won 2-1 then lost to Spurs in the next round.
This is the first one I remember too. Beat Spurs in the previous round but lost to Wednesday that night. An incredibly shonkily edited video of it here with the incident in question about half way through.
Mine too, we should have done better.
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My first sending -off was Jimmy McGill of Huddersfield in 1967, for hacking down Brian Godfrey in the second half.
Ditto.
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In answer to the original question, i'm not sure, but probably someone who 'played' for Wimbledon.
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That could be quite a long list!!