Post by: dave.woodhall on January 23, 2020, 04:44:17 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 23, 2020, 04:46:36 PM
Looks like a real hot prospect. And a Villa fan.
I reckon he warrants his own thread as he's going to have a great future.
Barry Signs (https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/01/23/harrison-barry-academy-aston-villa)
Post by: GarTomas on January 23, 2020, 04:56:35 PM
According to the OS
Looks like a real hot prospect. And a Villa fan.
I reckon he warrants his own thread as he's going to have a great future.
Barry Signs (https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/01/23/harrison-barry-academy-aston-villa)
Reckon we should merge with Mr Woodhall’s thread as he won based on thread title!
Post by: Luke8 on January 23, 2020, 04:57:19 PM
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Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2020, 05:07:11 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2020, 05:21:58 PM
Any info on what position he plays?
Post by: frank black on January 23, 2020, 05:23:04 PM
Welcome young man.
Any info on what position he plays?
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Post by: Risso on January 23, 2020, 05:28:57 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on January 23, 2020, 05:42:41 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 23, 2020, 05:48:22 PM
Players like Barry and Bellingham should be at our academies in the first place.
Was there from age 6. Its nuts that talent is identified so early!
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 23, 2020, 05:52:09 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 23, 2020, 05:53:47 PM
Post by: Dave P on January 23, 2020, 05:58:37 PM
Post by: Dave P on January 23, 2020, 05:59:08 PM
Post by: GarTomas on January 23, 2020, 06:06:21 PM
Good signing for the future. We should pinch that Bellingham of the Draggers too, so they can join in with the Baggies whingefest.SmalHeathAlliance would go into meltdown.
Post by: dave shelley on January 23, 2020, 06:44:32 PM
Post by: Deano's Mullet on January 23, 2020, 06:55:31 PM
Post by: Richard E on January 23, 2020, 07:10:24 PM
It wor fair
It wo be fair
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 23, 2020, 07:15:17 PM
What type of striker is he? Quick? Big? Strong? All round?
Messi/Aguero/Henry
Hes quite small at the moment I think hes about 5'5-5'6 but obviously he could have a growth spurt.
Skillful and oozes talent
Post by: LukeJames on January 23, 2020, 07:16:10 PM
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 23, 2020, 07:18:24 PM
My Albion work mate was having a right whinge over this, probably broke the West Midlands record for seperate use of the word cheats in the same rant. Absolute bliss.
Yh my mate blocked me on whatsapp for rubbing it in! Still not unblocked me yet haha
Post by: themossman on January 23, 2020, 07:28:33 PM
Why didn’t Barry take the penalty?
Lol
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 23, 2020, 08:04:07 PM
Players like Barry and Bellingham should be at our academies in the first place.
Was there from age 6. Its nuts that talent is identified so early!
I actually have a big issue with it. They hoover up boys with any potential and then equally discard as readily. I have two boys in my class at present. Six/seven years old. One is at Man City, the other trains three nights a week - City, Liverpool and Everton. I know the journey to Greater Manchester to Merseyside is not that far, but twice a week after school for someone in Year 2? I also don't think they're that fantastic. Good, yes, but certainly miles off being the best talent I've taught. The one consolation I take is that they're both academically able, so when the rejection comes they've got brains to help secure their futures.
As for the best talent I've personally taught, therein lies my other issue with the academies and the pressure they exert. I taught him in Year 4 and at that point he was training with City and Burnley. He was a naturally good at all sports and of course I wanted him to take part in competitions for the school, but it was always he couldn't because he was training. Anyway, eventually one day I said to him that it wouldn't hurt him to miss training just the once and do something different with his school friends... All hell broke loose, with parents complaining to the head teacher that I was pressurizing him and putting his future prospects in peril.
Now I wish that the punchline was along the lines of, but anyway it was all worth it and it's good to see Phil Foden doing well. But of course it isn't. I actually bumped into his dad last summer and asked how was doing. He was at college doing some sport-related course and, yes, still playing football. He was hoping that this was going to be his breakthrough season and he'd make his first team debut... for Bamber Bridge.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on January 23, 2020, 08:09:00 PM
If the kid's any good then it's just a bonus.
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 23, 2020, 08:14:30 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 23, 2020, 08:26:36 PM
What type of striker is he? Quick? Big? Strong? All round?
Messi/Aguero/Henry
Hes quite small at the moment I think hes about 5'5-5'6 but obviously he could have a growth spurt.
Skillful and oozes talent
I must say, Holy Trinity, that your comparisons aren't massively enlightening unless he's short, stocky, slight of build, tall, elegant, does his best work coming in from the left wing, can dribble past an entire defence on one foot from anywhere and only does his best work in the six yard box!
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 23, 2020, 08:29:59 PM
What type of striker is he? Quick? Big? Strong? All round?
Messi/Aguero/Henry
Hes quite small at the moment I think hes about 5'5-5'6 but obviously he could have a growth spurt.
Skillful and oozes talent
I must say, Holy Trinity, that your comparisons aren't massively enlightening unless he's short, stocky, slight of build, tall, elegant, does his best work coming in from the left wing, can dribble past an entire defence on one foot from anywhere and only does his best work in the six yard box!
All 3 are highly skillful on the ball and can beat a man and have the tricks needed to stand out.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 23, 2020, 08:36:50 PM
What type of striker is he? Quick? Big? Strong? All round?
Messi/Aguero/Henry
Hes quite small at the moment I think hes about 5'5-5'6 but obviously he could have a growth spurt.
Skillful and oozes talent
I must say, Holy Trinity, that your comparisons aren't massively enlightening unless he's short, stocky, slight of build, tall, elegant, does his best work coming in from the left wing, can dribble past an entire defence on one foot from anywhere and only does his best work in the six yard box!
All 3 are highly skillful on the ball and can beat a man and have the tricks needed to stand out.
So was OJ Simpson. Wink.
I get what you mean but I would've thought that Messi/Aguero/Henry are basically three separate archetypes and if, by some weird sorcery, they could be combined, such a player would never have heard of West Bromwich Albion.
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 23, 2020, 08:46:37 PM
What type of striker is he? Quick? Big? Strong? All round?
Messi/Aguero/Henry
Hes quite small at the moment I think hes about 5'5-5'6 but obviously he could have a growth spurt.
Skillful and oozes talent
I must say, Holy Trinity, that your comparisons aren't massively enlightening unless he's short, stocky, slight of build, tall, elegant, does his best work coming in from the left wing, can dribble past an entire defence on one foot from anywhere and only does his best work in the six yard box!
All 3 are highly skillful on the ball and can beat a man and have the tricks needed to stand out.
So was OJ Simpson. Wink.
I get what you mean but I would've thought that Messi/Aguero/Henry are basically three separate archetypes and if, by some weird sorcery, they could be combined, such a player would never have heard of West Bromwich Albion.
Ah I get what you mean.
I think of the 3 as game changer talisman type player, he is a bit of all 3 to be honest but has a lot to learn still.
https://youtu.be/wiaXirUn1L0 shows examples of what I mean
Post by: Gareth on January 23, 2020, 08:55:26 PM
Let’s hope he develops naturally through the academy & in 18 months / 2 years he is ready
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 23, 2020, 08:59:24 PM
Is it wrong that my first thought on seeing the article was your can have a tattoo at 16?’
Let’s hope he develops naturally through the academy & in 18 months / 2 years he is ready
If your surname is Barry and you're a footballer you can do whatever the fuck you want regardless of what age you are. Still a schoolboy? No problem, get tattooed. Pushing 40? All gravy, steal a taxi while drunk and everyone will forgive you pretty much straight away!
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 23, 2020, 09:01:50 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 23, 2020, 09:05:58 PM
Post by: TonyD on January 23, 2020, 09:24:23 PM
Why didn’t Barry take the penalty?Ha ha. Very good first page.
Post by: TonyD on January 23, 2020, 09:28:08 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 23, 2020, 09:31:40 PM
So how come Barcelona let him go.? Hopefully their loss and another Jack int the making.
I don't think he settled at all. Which isn't hard to understand, him being a child from the Midlands thrust into the 2nd* biggest club in world football.
*After us of course.
Post by: TonyD on January 23, 2020, 09:35:05 PM
Yeah its quite a change to move at that age. How long was he there? Anyway he is back - looking forward to his PL debut.So how come Barcelona let him go.? Hopefully their loss and another Jack int the making.
I don't think he settled at all. Which isn't hard to understand, him being a child from the Midlands thrust into the 2nd* biggest club in world football.
*After us of course.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 23, 2020, 09:37:48 PM
Yeah its quite a change to move at that age. How long was he there? Anyway he is back - looking forward to his PL debut.So how come Barcelona let him go.? Hopefully their loss and another Jack int the making.
I don't think he settled at all. Which isn't hard to understand, him being a child from the Midlands thrust into the 2nd* biggest club in world football.
*After us of course.
I agree. Can't wait. Think he will be a big, big player for us and England one day.
*Sorry missed the question. He was there just 6 months.
Post by: TonyD on January 23, 2020, 09:56:41 PM
You can only manage so much tapas ;)Yeah its quite a change to move at that age. How long was he there? Anyway he is back - looking forward to his PL debut.So how come Barcelona let him go.? Hopefully their loss and another Jack int the making.
I don't think he settled at all. Which isn't hard to understand, him being a child from the Midlands thrust into the 2nd* biggest club in world football.
*After us of course.
I agree. Can't wait. Think he will be a big, big player for us and England one day.
*Sorry missed the question. He was there just 6 months.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 23, 2020, 09:59:24 PM
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Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 23, 2020, 10:09:18 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 23, 2020, 10:12:18 PM
Post by: Hockley Lion on January 23, 2020, 10:19:37 PM
Cynic in me suggests our new Academy Coach persuaded him to say he was homesick so we could pick him up for peanuts.
Me too.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 23, 2020, 10:27:27 PM
Cynic in me suggests our new Academy Coach persuaded him to say he was homesick so we could pick him up for peanuts.
If he wasn't homesick, surely he would just have stayed at Barcelona?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2020, 10:37:59 PM
Post by: Villafirst on January 23, 2020, 10:47:53 PM
"Hope he gets injured" are a sample. That's shockingly bad! Anyway Welcome Louie.
Post by: Brassneck on January 24, 2020, 12:54:21 AM
A few may know him (the Dad) ex-Aston licensee, had a few pubs in Aston in his time, perhaps best remembered for when he took over the Britannia and cleaned up the middle floor room (that had been empty for years), got the upholstery claret and blue and the whole room was decorated in Villa memorabilia, late 90s.
Post by: Ads on January 24, 2020, 01:47:00 AM
It ay fair (https://wbaunofficial.org.uk/showthread.php?tid=8228&page=6)
Post by: robbo1874 on January 24, 2020, 02:58:48 AM
A move to a big club like Barca, combined with living overseas, presumably away from family, is big move for a 16 year old kid, irrespective of how confident he is - hope he has a long and successful career with the Villaseems like he was badly advised to go there. 16 and off to Barcelona?
Post by: Clampy on January 24, 2020, 07:03:57 AM
Post by: FrankyH on January 24, 2020, 07:08:32 AM
He looks a bit like the bloke from that slightly creepy bit-too-close brother and sister on Gogglebox.
Yes , I think it’s that incest haircut that doesn’t do them any favours. Get rid of it son !
Post by: robbo1874 on January 24, 2020, 07:19:48 AM
Warning! This link is high in saltiness;
It ay fair (https://wbaunofficial.org.uk/showthread.php?tid=8228&page=6)
Warning! This link is high in saltiness;ha ha- no end to the bitterness! ‘You’ve invalidated the warranty Lynn’
It ay fair (https://wbaunofficial.org.uk/showthread.php?tid=8228&page=6)
Post by: Ads on January 24, 2020, 07:46:02 AM
Post by: Damo70 on January 24, 2020, 08:33:04 AM
He looks a bit like the bloke from that slightly creepy bit-too-close brother and sister on Gogglebox.
Yes , I think it’s that incest haircut that doesn’t do them any favours. Get rid of it son !
It is hard for me to comment as an only child but they do appear to have some conversations that maybe shouldn't take place between a brother and sister. It isn't a problem in our family as my son isn't particularly interested in having many conversations with his two sisters.
Post by: Damo70 on January 24, 2020, 08:47:35 AM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 24, 2020, 09:00:17 AM
I can accept they are bitter and want him to fail at Villa but those who are wishing a serious injury on the kid are warped.
Warped is a very nice and understanding way of putting it.
A few four-letter words come to mind for me.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 24, 2020, 09:04:24 AM
Players like Barry and Bellingham should be at our academies in the first place.
Was there from age 6. Its nuts that talent is identified so early!
I actually have a big issue with it. They hoover up boys with any potential and then equally discard as readily. Etc
A member of my extended family is a talented player and has been at all the major midlands clubs, including at Albion with Barry. His dad, another massive Villa fan, moved him to Albion for the reason that it was more personalised and less of a meat mincing machine than the other academies in the area. I’ve been told by people in youth football that we have been miles behind Albion and Wolves for years. Really good to see it being recognised and a plan put in place to rectify it.
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 24, 2020, 09:32:29 AM
No, yow ay paranoid.
Ar, there am diffrunt roolz fer big clubz. Barcelona and us for example.
Ar, little clubz do get treeted wuss. That's yow that is.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 24, 2020, 10:03:56 AM
If any of them are having this read to them -Do they realise that they ARE a small time club?
No, yow ay paranoid.
Ar, there am diffrunt roolz fer big clubz. Barcelona and us for example.
Ar, little clubz do get treeted wuss. That's yow that is.
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 24, 2020, 10:11:03 AM
Just realised that I know his Dad - A big Villa fan. I remember him telling me a few years ago that his son was at Albion.
A few may know him (the Dad) ex-Aston licensee, had a few pubs in Aston in his time, perhaps best remembered for when he took over the Britannia and cleaned up the middle floor room (that had been empty for years), got the upholstery claret and blue and the whole room was decorated in Villa memorabilia, late 90s.
So that's who he is. I never realised.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 24, 2020, 10:14:44 AM
Post by: paul_e on January 24, 2020, 12:15:18 PM
'they haven't paid so surely he's still our player' and various versions of that.
'it stinks of collusion' I love this idea that barca have done the dirty for us and the linked implication that we're such a big club that we can do that.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 24, 2020, 12:16:42 PM
There are 2 themes there that I like:
'they haven't paid so surely he's still our player' and various versions of that.
'it stinks of collusion' I love this idea that barca have done the dirty for us and the linked implication that we're such a big club that we can do that.
It truly is a beautiful thing.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 24, 2020, 12:33:14 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2020, 01:01:30 PM
There are 2 themes there that I like:
'they haven't paid so surely he's still our player' and various versions of that.
'it stinks of collusion' I love this idea that barca have done the dirty for us and the linked implication that we're such a big club that we can do that.
It's them in their eternal 'corridor of uncertainty', the 'Wim ay/wim ar a big club', depending on the situation.
Post by: darren woolley on January 24, 2020, 01:14:58 PM
Post by: Dave P on January 24, 2020, 01:36:13 PM
So how come Barcelona let him go.? Hopefully their loss and another Jack int the making.
The interview with Harrison on the website suggests the coaching staff at Barca who took him over no longer work there. Maybe the new coaches had new ideas etc
Post by: Dave P on January 24, 2020, 01:36:43 PM
It dose appear we've got mousse all over their valance.
"the what?"
"The skirt around the side of the bed!"
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 24, 2020, 02:15:51 PM
Nice watch.
Good luck.
Post by: Risso on January 24, 2020, 03:45:42 PM
Nice watch.
I couldn’t make out what it was. Can’t think of anything that size with a red pusher like that.
Post by: Scratchins on January 24, 2020, 04:23:32 PM
If any of them are having this read to them -
No, yow ay paranoid.
Ar, there am diffrunt roolz fer big clubz. Barcelona and us for example.
Ar, little clubz do get treeted wuss. That's yow that is.
;D ;D ;D
Post by: brian green on January 24, 2020, 04:41:21 PM
Post by: Mister E on January 24, 2020, 05:02:26 PM
QED.
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 24, 2020, 05:24:44 PM
I met his dad at the Clay Oven in London prior to either the FA Cup Semi Final against Liverpool or the Final against Arsenal - can`t remember which. He came across as a decent bloke - very proud of his son , and rightly so (I think he may have another older son who was on the books at Oxford Utd)Just realised that I know his Dad - A big Villa fan. I remember him telling me a few years ago that his son was at Albion.
A few may know him (the Dad) ex-Aston licensee, had a few pubs in Aston in his time, perhaps best remembered for when he took over the Britannia and cleaned up the middle floor room (that had been empty for years), got the upholstery claret and blue and the whole room was decorated in Villa memorabilia, late 90s.
So that's who he is. I never realised.
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 24, 2020, 05:45:15 PM
Nice watch.
I couldn’t make out what it was. Can’t think of anything that size with a red pusher like that.
I think it's a Breitling Red Arrows special edition Emergency.
Post by: brian green on January 24, 2020, 05:49:09 PM
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 24, 2020, 05:51:48 PM
Is that the one where Mickey's right hand points to the minutes and his left hand points to the hours?I understand Mickey Mouse used to have a "Doug Ellis" watch
Post by: brian green on January 24, 2020, 06:12:14 PM
Post by: FatSam on January 24, 2020, 06:20:43 PM
Post by: Brassneck on January 24, 2020, 06:24:47 PM
Not sure what Olbiyun's issue is? We have dealt with the club who Barry was registered to. We don't need their permission or consent for anything. Still, as others have said, if it has affected their tin popt lives then it's a double whammy.
Post by: Bad English on January 24, 2020, 08:07:30 PM
We'm giving less fucks than brain cells in Sandwell.
Cheers!
The Villa.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2020, 08:14:29 PM
Quote
They finished above us in 2014.
We finished above them in 2012/13/15/16/17/18/19.
We were the top team in the midlands in the 2010s by a country mile.
So, finishing above us but not actually getting promoted whilst we did constitutes a better season than us.
Right.
I've never, ever, genuinely NEVER given a thought to comparing where they finish compared to us until i looked at that site just now.
That's what kills them, they are obsessed with us, most of us couldn't give a fuck about them.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 24, 2020, 08:46:21 PM
Amusingly Blues have never finished above us in any decade.
Baggies did finish with the second most points, even though Wolves were top Midlands club than them.
Post by: papa lazarou on January 24, 2020, 10:05:53 PM
From that Albion site, which is truly the domain of cretins.QuoteThey finished above us in 2014.
We finished above them in 2012/13/15/16/17/18/19.
We were the top team in the midlands in the 2010s by a country mile.
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 24, 2020, 10:13:23 PM
Post by: brentastonb6 on January 24, 2020, 11:42:30 PM
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 24, 2020, 11:57:31 PM
I think Leicester might debate the Best Midlands Team of the Decade title.I don't think it even merits a debate.
Post by: Mellin on January 25, 2020, 03:01:03 PM
If you change it to West Midlands it's up for debate. Wolves finished the decade strongly and we went to Wembley six times. Baggies most consistent. Even the shit down the road won something, which no one else has. Pretty poor from us all tbh.
Post by: Risso on January 25, 2020, 03:04:07 PM
Nice watch.
I couldn’t make out what it was. Can’t think of anything that size with a red pusher like that.
I think it's a Breitling Red Arrows special edition Emergency.
Couldn't find any of those with a red pusher. Does look like a Breitling though.
Post by: robbo1874 on January 26, 2020, 05:04:20 PM
Who’ll be first to dive into the lower Holte from upstairs?
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2020, 12:22:53 AM
Post by: mr underhill on February 12, 2020, 09:02:32 AM
Post by: Smithy on February 12, 2020, 10:00:38 AM
I think we may well see Barry playing for the first team before the end of the season.
He's a couple of months younger than Harvey Elliot at Liverpool, so in theory, he's old enough to get a game. But I'm not sure throwing a young kid into a relegation battle would be the right thing to do, unless the club is absolutely confident he can contribute to winning games, rather than 'getting experience'. Liverpool have that luxury, as they don't 'need' him in their team right now. We don't.
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on February 12, 2020, 10:26:06 AM
Post by: OCD on February 12, 2020, 12:13:12 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2020, 01:34:27 PM
Davis is injured again so presumably Vassilev will be on the bench Sunday but it's not unthinkable that Barry could overtake Vassilev and start getting a place on the bench before long.
I think Baston will be on the bench over Vassilev
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 12, 2020, 01:42:44 PM
Davis is injured again so presumably Vassilev will be on the bench Sunday but it's not unthinkable that Barry could overtake Vassilev and start getting a place on the bench before long.
I think Baston will be on the bench over Vassilev
Has there been any news on Baston - no pics on official site training etc?
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 12, 2020, 12:03:15 PM
It's 5 subs in a match and on the bench teams will have from 9 to choose from.
So I do think Barry has a fair chance to play this season
Now does anyone know how good he is?
He looks a player for sure . Highly rated . I've only seen glimpses so if anyone can enlighten on what he brings then be useful.
Could be looking at a wildcard along with Ramsey in being an asset to villa surviving
Post by: darren woolley on June 12, 2020, 12:24:30 PM
Post by: colin69 on June 12, 2020, 12:29:56 PM
I’d like to see some of these younger players on the bench or even starting. If they’re good enough they’re old enough.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 12, 2020, 12:31:57 PM
You win nothing with kids.....(Alan Hansen 1995).
I’d like to see some of these younger players on the bench or even starting. If they’re good enough they’re old enough.
Agreed.
With match fitness levels bound to be suspect and 5 subs available per game, we'll need all the youthful energy and enthusiasm we can get IMO.
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 12, 2020, 01:23:29 PM
Anyone who played in/ been part of/watched a football match when there are essentially a small gathering in a big venue like youth cup matches knows exactly that it's the football that is the most concentrated.
No distractions.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 12, 2020, 01:25:17 PM
Yes and the teenagers will be use to playing in non atmosphere grounds !
Anyone who played in/ been part of/watched a football match when there are essentially a small gathering in a big venue like youth cup matches knows exactly that it's the football that is the most concentrated.
No distractions.
This is a great point. It'll be a much less daunting way to integrate for them, one would think.
Post by: Mister E on June 12, 2020, 01:33:34 PM
Post by: Randy Gurner on July 09, 2020, 10:59:26 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on July 09, 2020, 11:06:57 PM
In such dire circumstances my vote is for young Louie to be given a run out. What have we got to lose?
He is 17. Don’t get him involved in this shit storm. Next Season maybe
Post by: Randy Gurner on July 09, 2020, 11:21:30 PM
In such dire circumstances my vote is for young Louie to be given a run out. What have we got to lose?
He is 17. Don’t get him involved in this shit storm. Next Season maybe
Fair enough. I'm half cut, clutching at straws here. On a more serious note, I've heard great things about him and I hope he's involved in the near future.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 09, 2020, 11:28:56 PM
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/club/everton/368/blog/post/3181929/august-17-2002-wayne-rooney-makes-his-everton-debut-in-draw-vs-tottenham
Post by: Alex77 on November 29, 2020, 09:02:37 AM
Post by: Ian. on November 29, 2020, 09:13:08 AM
His form for the U’23’s iceberg good.
Post by: manic-road on November 29, 2020, 09:15:05 AM
Post by: exigo on November 29, 2020, 10:23:18 AM
Post by: eamonn on November 29, 2020, 10:28:46 AM
Very well by what I can gather on Twitter following their games.
His form for the U’23’s iceberg good.
Iceberg? More cool as a cucumber than a soggy, limp lettuce I hope.
Post by: OCD on November 29, 2020, 01:25:02 PM
Interested to see if Conor goes into the team, and Barry goes up to the bench with Barkley out.
Ramsey has been the 19th man for a few games so presumably he will be on the bench.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 29, 2020, 03:42:14 PM
Post by: Ian. on November 29, 2020, 05:08:20 PM
Iceberg? No idea what I was typing for predictive to put that in!Very well by what I can gather on Twitter following their games.
His form for the U’23’s iceberg good.
Iceberg? More cool as a cucumber than a soggy, limp lettuce I hope.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 29, 2020, 05:32:09 PM
Very well by what I can gather on Twitter following their games.
His form for the U’23’s iceberg good.
Iceberg? More cool as a cucumber than a soggy, limp lettuce I hope.
Iceberg? No idea what I was typing for predictive to put that in!
You meant to say his recent form's been titanic?
Post by: paul_e on November 30, 2020, 11:46:30 AM
On a side note I wish they'd got the TV gantry in place at BMH before the season started, I'd love to be able to watch how some of them are developing and right now you only get chance to catch the odd away game.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 30, 2020, 12:06:11 PM
Iceberg? No idea what I was typing for predictive to put that in!Very well by what I can gather on Twitter following their games.
His form for the U’23’s iceberg good.
Iceberg? More cool as a cucumber than a soggy, limp lettuce I hope.
‘Is very’ I should think.
Post by: TonyD on November 30, 2020, 04:13:34 PM
I would use an easy game to blood him.
2nd Jan would be ideal.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 30, 2020, 04:43:17 PM
Or is he more a central attacking player be it up top or a cental supplement striker.
The little know i have it seems he could perform as an inverted wide player with attacking intentions but those ITK and observations from his youth academy and U23 play could be more informing to where we could expect to see him.
Liking the news he's scored 5 in 6 having been reading above.
And certainly there could be some opportunities in December depending on how players are on fitness
Post by: darren woolley on November 30, 2020, 05:28:45 PM
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Post by: Footy-Vill on December 19, 2020, 08:12:36 PM
Post by: Monty on December 19, 2020, 08:14:31 PM
Let's get him on the bench and a 5 min cameo just to rub their noses in it tomorrow!
Your best ever suggestion. Assuming we're winning...
Post by: OCD on December 19, 2020, 08:48:13 PM
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Post by: Legion on December 19, 2020, 09:57:13 PM
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Post by: olaftab on December 19, 2020, 11:26:56 PM
I would love him to be involved in the first team squad this season.I agree and he can always be there to take penalties.
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 20, 2020, 10:00:02 AM
I would love him to be involved in the first team squad this season.I agree and he can always be there to take penalties.
I saw what you did there - bravo
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 20, 2020, 10:13:25 AM
Post by: Risso on December 20, 2020, 10:44:11 AM
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 20, 2020, 10:47:19 AM
He can eventually take squad number of Hourihane and be Louis 14th
Superb !
Post by: eamonn on December 20, 2020, 11:24:27 AM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 08, 2021, 10:24:54 PM
That's just under 3 months younger than when George Best got his first in the cup.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fa-cup/juengstetorschuetzen/pokalwettbewerb/FAC/plus/0/galerie/0?saisonIdVon=2020&saisonIdBis=1962&land_id=0
Post by: bilsim on January 08, 2021, 10:25:35 PM
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Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 08, 2021, 10:32:55 PM
"It's the proudest I've ever been of myself. When it hit the back of the net I've never been so proud. It happened so quick.
"I was working really hard before, so was everyone else, and when I was celebrating everythign just came out. Relief sort of.
"I've never been so proud of a team before. From start to finish, when I scored I even thought we might have a chance here!
"I was cramping up a bit towards the end but you've just got to get used to it. With age comes physicality and mentality.
"Good experience over there but I've come to the club I supported my whole life."
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 08, 2021, 10:35:26 PM
https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/1347664111577010177?s=21
Post by: darren woolley on January 08, 2021, 10:38:52 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 08, 2021, 10:50:12 PM
What a finish by Louie brilliant I would love to see him get more first team game time for the rest of the season.
He can't possibly do any worse than KD, can he? Give him a chance Deano.
Post by: Legion on January 08, 2021, 10:52:59 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 08, 2021, 10:58:04 PM
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Post by: mrfuse on January 08, 2021, 11:14:57 PM
For me KD is the sort of player that all 3 of them would like to play alongside but because we play 1 up front he's never really going to get a chance that hold-up target man he could become.
I think that's the nail on the head.
Back in the day of teams playing 2 up front Heskey and Owen were a great partnership but no one plays like that anymore.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2021, 11:21:03 PM
Post by: robbo1874 on January 08, 2021, 11:22:52 PM
Post by: TonyD on January 08, 2021, 11:29:01 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 08, 2021, 11:29:22 PM
If he doesn't go out on loan I fully expect to see him on the bench before the summer.
Post by: LeeB on January 08, 2021, 11:38:17 PM
The most impressive thing about the goal was the running line. The way he cut across the defender took him out of the game and turned it into a one-on-one. That's not something you can be taught.
If he doesn't go out on loan I fully expect to see him on the bench before the summer.
Was just pondering that run myself, it was really one of those moments when you see a kid and think 'yes, he's got it'.
Post by: Damo70 on January 09, 2021, 12:08:01 AM
Post by: CT on January 09, 2021, 06:56:29 AM
His Wikipedia page has been updated after tonight's game. I am sure everyone at Albion will be delighted for him and wish him all the best for the future.
They’re not bitter at all....
What a fantastic interview he did afterwards as well. Just pure happiness.
Post by: charleeco7 on January 09, 2021, 08:07:07 AM
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Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 09, 2021, 09:17:47 AM
Thought his post match interviews were almost as good as his goal!
Post by: PeterWithe on January 09, 2021, 09:21:13 AM
Best thing about his post match interview was his Brummie accent.
Wasn’t it just, wonderful to see someone so happy. As well he should be.
Post by: Mister E on January 09, 2021, 09:34:19 AM
His size, his speed and natural finishing ability just reminds me of a young Michael Owen. Natural ability and a joy to watch.Someone just described him as Vardy's (much) younger brother; not a bad shout either.
Post by: Ian. on January 09, 2021, 09:49:23 AM
Post by: frank black on January 09, 2021, 10:08:48 AM
His size, his speed and natural finishing ability just reminds me of a young Michael Owen. Natural ability and a joy to watch.Someone just described him as Vardy's (much) younger brother; not a bad shout either.
Klopp called him “little Vardy”
Post by: john e on January 09, 2021, 10:11:43 AM
His size, his speed and natural finishing ability just reminds me of a young Michael Owen. Natural ability and a joy to watch.
Yes I agree
Michael Owen was the pundit last night he must have been getting flashbacks when Barry was put through
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 09, 2021, 10:37:37 AM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 09, 2021, 10:52:10 AM
His size, his speed and natural finishing ability just reminds me of a young Michael Owen. Natural ability and a joy to watch.Someone just described him as Vardy's (much) younger brother; not a bad shout either.
Klopp called him “little Vardy”
Poor comparison, Vardy didn't score his first top flight goal until he was 25.
Post by: OzVilla on January 09, 2021, 10:59:40 AM
He just looks, runs, moves like a goal scorer.
Post by: colin69 on January 09, 2021, 11:04:38 AM
Think he has a very bright future.
Post by: Risso on January 09, 2021, 11:06:25 AM
The most impressive thing about the goal was the running line. The way he cut across the defender took him out of the game and turned it into a one-on-one. That's not something you can be taught.
If he doesn't go out on loan I fully expect to see him on the bench before the summer.
If I was Dean, I'd be putting him on the bench for the rest of the season to get him used to the first team environment, then give him a loan somewhere decent next year in the Championship. Year after that, he should be in the first team squad. He really does look the business.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 09, 2021, 11:08:08 AM
His pace, movement and finish last night was very Vardy.
Post by: Mister E on January 09, 2021, 11:09:06 AM
I don't think that was quite the point. Style of play - pace, playing on the shoulder, putting away the only chance he got - is what was being referred to, I think.Poor comparison, Vardy didn't score his first top flight goal until he was 25.Klopp called him “little Vardy”His size, his speed and natural finishing ability just reminds me of a young Michael Owen. Natural ability and a joy to watch.Someone just described him as Vardy's (much) younger brother; not a bad shout either.
Post by: Mister E on January 09, 2021, 11:11:10 AM
Yes, although I'd like to see him playing between JG and Watkins, or Watkins and Traore; maybe later this season. The kid has fantastic goal instinct, it would appear.The most impressive thing about the goal was the running line. The way he cut across the defender took him out of the game and turned it into a one-on-one. That's not something you can be taught.If I was Dean, I'd be putting him on the bench for the rest of the season to get him used to the first team environment, then give him a loan somewhere decent next year in the Championship. Year after that, he should be in the first team squad. He really does look the business.
If he doesn't go out on loan I fully expect to see him on the bench before the summer.
Rooney, Owen and Brian Little - to name three - managed to break straight into their first team.
Post by: simboy on January 09, 2021, 11:28:21 AM
What last night showed, if nothing else, was that for the first time in ages we have got a plan ... previously our U23 set up was liberally sprinkled with people who were coming to the end of that time and were never going to make it for us unfortunately. We have now decided to go for the young talent and if you are going to make it it’ll be before you’re 21. Possibly the most important thing to come out of the adoption of the Smith philosophy over that of Bruce.
Rooney’s first goal at Villa park was in a 4-1 defeat ... just sayin’ 😊
Post by: PeterWithe on January 09, 2021, 11:39:40 AM
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Post by: paul_e on January 09, 2021, 12:28:57 PM
interesting about Barry - for him to be available last night, means he simply isn't training with the first team squad - so Dean Smith (and Mark Delaney et al) see a lot more of Barry that any of us do.... maybe he's not ready?
His pace, movement and finish last night was very Vardy.
As I understand it he has trained with the first team numerous times over the last few months but just so happened to not be with them for the last 2 weeks so was available after a negative test. A few others weren't so lucky.
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 09, 2021, 12:46:55 PM
At present, I'm more than happy to trust the club implicitly with his development and look forward to when when Dean and his team feel he's ready. In that way, we'll all be able to enjoy the moment he beats Billy Walker's goal-scoring record.
Post by: WarszaVillan on January 09, 2021, 12:54:22 PM
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Post by: Dave Cooper please on January 09, 2021, 02:16:49 PM
It was an incredibly calm finish, he just looked as if he knew he wouldn't miss
Last Villa striker to look that confident on a one-on-one with the keeper was probably Deano.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 09, 2021, 02:30:22 PM
Post by: Risso on January 09, 2021, 02:38:25 PM
It was an incredibly calm finish, he just looked as if he knew he wouldn't miss
Last Villa striker to look that confident on a one-on-one with the keeper was probably Deano.
Carew was excellent in those sorts of positions too. And Yorke.
Post by: Clarey_Blue on January 09, 2021, 02:42:16 PM
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 09, 2021, 02:47:18 PM
It was an incredibly calm finish, he just looked as if he knew he wouldn't miss
Last Villa striker to look that confident on a one-on-one with the keeper was probably Deano.
I think we need to rein in our excitement a bit and just let the kid develop. I seem to recall Stefan Moore scoring a great goal against Charlton on his debut at the same end and thinking he was the real deal.
Post by: MorrisNielson on January 09, 2021, 02:48:31 PM
1957-58 - Hazelden W - West Bromwich Albion - League - 16 years & 269 days
2020-21 - Barry LM - Liverpool - FA Cup - 17 years & 201 days
1973-74 - Campbell RM - Nottingham Forest - League - 17 years & 223 days
1961-62 - Baker AR - Leicester City - League - 17 years & 303 days
2008-09 - Delfouneso NA - MSK Zilina - UEFA Cup - 17 years & 306 days
1953-54 - Roberts KO - Chelsea - League - 17 years & 316 days
1985-86 - Daley AM - West Bromwich Albion - League - 17 years & 321 days
1998-99 - Barry G - Nottingham Forest - League - 18 years & 60 days
1964-65 - Park RC - Luton Town - League Cup - 18 years & 82 days
1975-76 - Deehan JM - Sheffield United - League - 18 years & 94 days
1998-99 - Vassell D - Stromsgodset - UEFA Cup - 18 years & 94 days
1976-77 - Cowans GS - Derby County - League - 18 years & 150 days
1979-80 - Hopkins RA - Norwich City - League - 18 years & 153 days
1982-83 - Walters ME - Dinamo Bucharest - European Cup - 18 years & 154 days
1971-72 - Little B - Torquay United - League - 18 years & 156 days
1962-63 - Graham G - Liverpool - League - 18 years & 169 days
1979-80 - Shaw GR - Colchester United - League Cup - 18 years & 219 days
1976-77 - Hughes DT - Middlesbrough - League - 18 years & 283 days
1969-70 - Hamilton IM - Chester City - League Cup - 18 years & 286 days
1988-89 - Olney ID - Birmingham City - League Cup - 18 years & 300 days
1890-91 - Athersmith WC - Wolverhampton Wanderers - League - 18 years & 308 days
1991-92 - Froggatt SJ - Swindon Town - FA Cup - 18 years & 344 days
2002-03 - Moore S - Charlton Athletic - League - 18 years & 348 days
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 09, 2021, 02:54:21 PM
Youngest Aston Villa Goalscorers:
1957-58 - Hazelden W - West Bromwich Albion - League - 16 years & 269 days
2020-21 - Barry LM - Liverpool - FA Cup - 17 years & 201 days
1973-74 - Campbell RM - Nottingham Forest - League - 17 years & 223 days
1961-62 - Baker AR - Leicester City - League - 17 years & 303 days
2008-09 - Delfouneso NA - MSK Zilina - UEFA Cup - 17 years & 306 days
1953-54 - Roberts KO - Chelsea - League - 17 years & 316 days
1985-86 - Daley AM - West Bromwich Albion - League - 17 years & 321 days
1998-99 - Barry G - Nottingham Forest - League - 18 years & 60 days
1964-65 - Park RC - Luton Town - League Cup - 18 years & 82 days
1975-76 - Deehan JM - Sheffield United - League - 18 years & 94 days
1998-99 - Vassell D - Stromsgodset - UEFA Cup - 18 years & 94 days
1976-77 - Cowans GS - Derby County - League - 18 years & 150 days
1979-80 - Hopkins RA - Norwich City - League - 18 years & 153 days
1982-83 - Walters ME - Dinamo Bucharest - European Cup - 18 years & 154 days
1971-72 - Little B - Torquay United - League - 18 years & 156 days
1962-63 - Graham G - Liverpool - League - 18 years & 169 days
1979-80 - Shaw GR - Colchester United - League Cup - 18 years & 219 days
1976-77 - Hughes DT - Middlesbrough - League - 18 years & 283 days
1969-70 - Hamilton IM - Chester City - League Cup - 18 years & 286 days
1988-89 - Olney ID - Birmingham City - League Cup - 18 years & 300 days
1890-91 - Athersmith WC - Wolverhampton Wanderers - League - 18 years & 308 days
1991-92 - Froggatt SJ - Swindon Town - FA Cup - 18 years & 344 days
2002-03 - Moore S - Charlton Athletic - League - 18 years & 348 days
Plenty of them turned out well.
Post by: Dr Butler on January 09, 2021, 02:57:54 PM
UTV
THe Doc
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 09, 2021, 03:04:17 PM
wow there are some famous Villa names on that list...
And an infamous Blose name.
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 09, 2021, 03:10:33 PM
wow there are some famous Villa names on that list...
And an infamous Blose name.
I was there when Hopkins scored within seconds of coming on. Having witnessed his celebrations, I always took his subsequent anti-Villa posturings with a big shovel of salt.
Post by: Dave Cooper please on January 09, 2021, 03:17:56 PM
It was an incredibly calm finish, he just looked as if he knew he wouldn't miss
Last Villa striker to look that confident on a one-on-one with the keeper was probably Deano.
I think we need to rein in our excitement a bit and just let the kid develop. I seem to recall Stefan Moore scoring a great goal against Charlton on his debut at the same end and thinking he was the real deal.
Nah. Getting excited about the next superstar to emerge from the yoofs is what it's all about. Watching Jack, for instance, go from being touted as "decent, got a chance" by a few on here to blossom into one of the best players in the league has been great.
Post by: Risso on January 09, 2021, 03:32:41 PM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on January 09, 2021, 04:03:11 PM
wow there are some famous Villa names on that list...
And an infamous Blose name.
I was there when Hopkins scored within seconds of coming on. Having witnessed his celebrations, I always took his subsequent anti-Villa posturings with a big shovel of salt.
No question he was/is a BlueNose. I saw him walking around town with Noel Blake, both wearing B-lose scarves and trying to provoke anyone that they thought was a Villa fan. Slightly bizarre as it was mostly midweek morning shoppers.
Absolutely pathetic.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on January 09, 2021, 04:45:38 PM
I wonder why he never made it with us, or another League club?
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 09, 2021, 04:53:49 PM
I've never heard of Hazelden our youngest ever scorer. He scored 5 in 17 before being shipped off to Wigan (who were then non league).
I wonder why he never made it with us, or another League club?
He played too many games as a kid and got injured.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 09, 2021, 05:29:11 PM
this is a common problem, overplaying kids when their body is still developing.I've never heard of Hazelden our youngest ever scorer. He scored 5 in 17 before being shipped off to Wigan (who were then non league).
I wonder why he never made it with us, or another League club?
He played too many games as a kid and got injured.
Post by: john e on January 09, 2021, 06:39:39 PM
this is a common problem, overplaying kids when their body is still developing.I've never heard of Hazelden our youngest ever scorer. He scored 5 in 17 before being shipped off to Wigan (who were then non league).
I wonder why he never made it with us, or another League club?
He played too many games as a kid and got injured.
Don't they play all the time at their own level though
I don't think they just sit around or train waiting for their bodies to develop they probably put the same amount of actual playing time in as anyone else just with lads the same age and size I suppose
Post by: Risso on January 09, 2021, 06:48:38 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 09, 2021, 07:21:19 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 09, 2021, 07:26:49 PM
Post by: Risso on January 09, 2021, 07:30:26 PM
Michael Owen was banjaxed at an early age though.
He was quoted as saying it was a genetic family weakness with him though. Opposite to the Rooney family I guess.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 09, 2021, 07:32:23 PM
Michael Owen was banjaxed at an early age though.
He was quoted as saying it was a genetic family weakness with him though. Opposite to the Rooney family I guess.
You only have to look at the Rooneys to spot a couple of flaws!
Post by: john2710 on January 09, 2021, 07:48:06 PM
Let's give him the time to develop for a year or two.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 09, 2021, 07:48:48 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 09, 2021, 09:43:18 PM
https://twitter.com/villaandproud/status/1347957372984160258?s=21
Post by: tomd2103 on January 09, 2021, 10:05:00 PM
Michael Owen was banjaxed at an early age though.
He was quoted as saying it was a genetic family weakness with him though. Opposite to the Rooney family I guess.
Something to do with his hamstrings wasn't it?
Post by: DrGonzo on January 09, 2021, 10:50:29 PM
Rooney had the physique and strength of a man aged 15 or 16.
And still has the mind of one now.
Post by: Smithy on January 10, 2021, 10:22:16 AM
Depends on the player I suppose. Didn't seem to hold Rooney back much, or any of the Nevilles/Beckham era of kids.
I think the more recent arrival of 'kids' into top-flight teams has led to a bit of revisionism with the 'class of 92' and how old they actually were. When people like Milner, Rooney, Wilshere, Walcott, Sterling, and even Jack, have all established themselves as first-team players while teenagers, we end up thinking of that Man Utd team in the same way.
The reality is the day of the famous "you don't win anything with kids" remark, Beckham, Butt and Neville were 20, Scholes was a couple of weeks from 21. That's not to say they weren't "kids" in football term - they were - but they'd had a couple of extra years of developing physically before making it into the first team on regular basis.
I really like the look of Louie, but I'd have no issue with him being kept with the U23s for the next year or so while he develops of bit more, physically speaking. At 17, we've no idea what size he'll be at 21. He might remain an Owen-sized forward, but he might develop into something else altogether.
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Post by: SaddVillan on January 12, 2021, 04:30:42 PM
Now in 1st place.
Post by: rjp on January 12, 2021, 04:48:41 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55622537 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55622537)
Post by: paul_e on January 12, 2021, 04:57:51 PM
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Post by: WassallVillain on January 12, 2021, 05:52:32 PM
Voted for barry and even ignoring the tribal factor I'd go for him or Justin, a lot of the others are pretty ropey keeping, particularly the crawley goal.
When I saw it on Friday I said goal of the 3rd round straight away. I am a bit biased though. For me it was the sheer joy of the moment for him.
Post by: exigo on January 12, 2021, 06:36:20 PM
BBC linky (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55622537)
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 12, 2021, 09:21:48 PM
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Post by: Risso on January 16, 2021, 11:10:39 AM
He had a decent game last night v WBA.
I bet they loved that!
Post by: ExclDawg on January 19, 2021, 03:50:55 PM
Louie, Louie! Oh Barry,
Saying we gotta goal!
Ya ya ya ya ya ya
Post by: WassallVillain on January 19, 2021, 09:33:40 PM
Barry wins goal of the round.
BBC linky (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55622537)
Until yesterday I’d only seen the through ball and finish. Both of which were excellent. But it was really a top class team goal from dispossessing Salah in our own penalty area several passes in and out of midfield back to keeper who pings it out wide and away we go. So much better than the highlights bit that gets shown.
Post by: The Edge on January 19, 2021, 10:01:28 PM
Does this guy have a song yet? Seems like the obvious choice would be:That might work in your head but what's the tune?
Louie, Louie! Oh Barry,
Saying we gotta goal!
Ya ya ya ya ya ya
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 19, 2021, 10:04:17 PM
Does this guy have a song yet? Seems like the obvious choice would be:That might work in your head but what's the tune?
Louie, Louie! Oh Barry,
Saying we gotta goal!
Ya ya ya ya ya ya
Er, Louie Louie.
Post by: FrankyH on January 19, 2021, 10:26:30 PM
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 20, 2021, 02:16:18 PM
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Post by: Smithy on January 20, 2021, 03:49:09 PM
Barry wins goal of the round.
BBC linky (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55622537)
Until yesterday I’d only seen the through ball and finish. Both of which were excellent. But it was really a top class team goal from dispossessing Salah in our own penalty area several passes in and out of midfield back to keeper who pings it out wide and away we go. So much better than the highlights bit that gets shown.
I read somewhere that it's the most passes we've made leading up to a goal all season. Don't know if it's true, but I can't immediately think of any that have had a long spell of passing it around before scoring?
Post by: Edvard Remberg on January 20, 2021, 05:34:39 PM
I was just thinking of that as well Edvard!We are too old.
But some creative mind could probably make something out of it
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Post by: villalion on January 22, 2021, 09:08:32 PM
Hat-trick tonight as our under-23s won 3-2 at Norwich. Would like to see him on the bench for the first team before too long.If your good enough.. you are old enough get him on. His fearlesness would scare the shit out of most defenders.
Post by: nordenvillain on January 22, 2021, 09:12:53 PM
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Post by: CT on January 22, 2021, 09:29:33 PM
He's so slight though. I'd worry that big centre backs would rough him up. Burnley's bruisers would try to beat the shit out of him.
Yep, it’s a fair point, similar to when Jack came on against Hull and Bruce had his cloggers smashing the shit out of him at every opportunity.
But, we’ll have to find out sometime, maybe just have him in and around the first team and build him up from there.
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Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 29, 2021, 09:24:01 PM
Let's hope he recovers well
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Post by: Legion on May 21, 2021, 04:51:52 PM
Hope he goes out on loan and gets regular game time to help his development.
That would be best for a lot of them. Working well for Cam at Solihull Moors.
Post by: OCD on May 21, 2021, 04:54:15 PM
Post by: Smithy on May 21, 2021, 05:09:38 PM
Hope he goes out on loan and gets regular game time to help his development.
That would be best for a lot of them. Working well for Cam at Solihull Moors.
How is he getting on? Is he getting many minutes? The raw stats don't appear to show he's scoring a lot, but that might be due to being used as an impact sub, or where they're playing him - don't like to read too much into the stats without some context!
Post by: Legion on May 21, 2021, 05:53:07 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2021, 09:57:39 AM
I think that's a good level for help right now to get the game and experience time
Post by: Tuscans on August 06, 2021, 09:58:21 AM
Post by: JD on August 06, 2021, 10:54:15 AM
Post by: Ian. on August 06, 2021, 10:57:16 AM
Post by: Des Little on August 06, 2021, 11:06:12 AM
Post by: Dave on August 06, 2021, 11:11:01 AM
Great move for him, perfect club at that level - decent manager too, in my opinion.
Just to check, Lambert's not there anymore is he?
Post by: Kevin Dawson on August 06, 2021, 11:12:31 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on August 06, 2021, 11:13:21 AM
Post by: Steve67 on August 06, 2021, 11:15:07 AM
Great move for him, perfect club at that level - decent manager too, in my opinion.
I couldn't agree more. Paul Cook is a decent Manager and Ipswich will be challenging for promotion. Louie Barry is our longer term answer to that chap who left recently.
Post by: OCD on August 06, 2021, 11:22:26 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 06, 2021, 11:47:55 AM
Post by: Mister E on August 06, 2021, 11:49:44 AM
Agreed. A good move.Great move for him, perfect club at that level - decent manager too, in my opinion.I couldn't agree more. Paul Cook is a decent Manager and Ipswich will be challenging for promotion. Louie Barry is our longer term answer to that chap who left recently.
Post by: nick harper on August 06, 2021, 11:59:51 AM
Everyone seems to have very high hopes for young Louie. From the limited amount i've seen of him I can only say he's alright and nothing more. I hope I'm wrong.
My thoughts as well although he still looked a boy compared to the other players in the youth cup final so this should help him develop physically. Will be interesting to see how much game time he gets. League one is quite a step up.
Post by: eamonn on August 06, 2021, 12:10:09 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2021, 12:15:49 PM
Post by: robbo1874 on August 06, 2021, 12:32:16 PM
Yes, that's my biggest worry with him. He is so slight. Smaller and lighter than when Jack was at Notts County, no? Great move for him and us. Was very impressed with Paul Cook at Wigan during that horrific season when they went into administration and got deducted points (I think they would have stayed in the Ch'ship otherwise). Did really well at Sligo Rovers before that too.who gives a fuck? A few people quoted at the club saying he’s the best natural finisher in the club. Suppose we’ll see
Post by: Smithy on August 06, 2021, 12:39:06 PM
He'll bulk up a little naturally in the next couple of years anyway, and a year on loan going up against men will stand him in excellent stead.
Post by: Ad@m on August 06, 2021, 12:40:55 PM
Great move for him, perfect club at that level - decent manager too, in my opinion.
Just to check, Lambert's not there anymore is he?
That was my first thought too!
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 06, 2021, 12:48:35 PM
Saw somewhere (think it was Gregg Evans) that Brad Young and Aaron Ramsey might go there too. Looking like East Anglia has both our reserve team and our feeder club!
Post by: eamonn on August 06, 2021, 12:50:01 PM
Yes, that's my biggest worry with him. He is so slight. Smaller and lighter than when Jack was at Notts County, no? Great move for him and us. Was very impressed with Paul Cook at Wigan during that horrific season when they went into administration and got deducted points (I think they would have stayed in the Ch'ship otherwise). Did really well at Sligo Rovers before that too.who gives a fuck? A few people quoted at the club saying he’s the best natural finisher in the club. Suppose we’ll see
I do if it means he constantly gets nudged off the ball. He has the body of a boy. His teammates in the Youth Cup winning team all looked noticeably more filled-out. There's not much he can do about his height but he'll need to be quick and smart to dodge League One cloggers.
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2021, 02:27:44 PM
Post by: darren woolley on August 06, 2021, 02:36:34 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2021, 03:15:37 PM
Post by: john e on August 06, 2021, 03:59:09 PM
Makes it more interesting if there’s one or two Villa players popping up here and There to keep an eye on
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 06, 2021, 04:22:38 PM
The other good thing is for those saddos like me who watch any football on telly
Makes it more interesting if there’s one or two Villa players popping up here and There to keep an eye on
like an unofficial but important scout
Post by: john2710 on August 06, 2021, 10:04:33 PM
Everyone seems to have very high hopes for young Louie. From the limited amount i've seen of him I can only say he's alright and nothing more. I hope I'm wrong.
I remember watching Grealish a few times at the same age & thinking the same. Barry is quicker, more direct & a significantly better finisher.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 06, 2021, 10:09:46 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2021, 10:12:19 PM
Post by: robbo1874 on August 06, 2021, 10:22:58 PM
did Michael Owen constantly get nudged off the ball?Yes, that's my biggest worry with him. He is so slight. Smaller and lighter than when Jack was at Notts County, no? Great move for him and us. Was very impressed with Paul Cook at Wigan during that horrific season when they went into administration and got deducted points (I think they would have stayed in the Ch'ship otherwise). Did really well at Sligo Rovers before that too.who gives a fuck? A few people quoted at the club saying he’s the best natural finisher in the club. Suppose we’ll see
I do if it means he constantly gets nudged off the ball. He has the body of a boy. His teammates in the Youth Cup winning team all looked noticeably more filled-out. There's not much he can do about his height but he'll need to be quick and smart to dodge League One cloggers.
Post by: TonyD on August 06, 2021, 10:45:58 PM
Post by: eamonn on August 06, 2021, 10:49:30 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 06, 2021, 11:05:48 PM
Post by: Dazvillain on August 06, 2021, 11:23:49 PM
Post by: Drummond on August 06, 2021, 11:25:26 PM
Don’t understand just based on fact either Purslow of DS said yesterday how Ings would be a great role model for our younger strikers and less than 24 hrs we send out one off better young guns
Barry is a different player though. Young in the other hand will learn a lot. I'd expect Davis to as well.
Post by: Dazvillain on August 06, 2021, 11:30:34 PM
Shame Davies got injured really. Perhaps if he had gone to Stoke on loan, Barry may have stayedDon’t understand just based on fact either Purslow of DS said yesterday how Ings would be a great role model for our younger strikers and less than 24 hrs we send out one off better young guns
Barry is a different player though. Young in the other hand will learn a lot. I'd expect Davis to as well.
Post by: robbo1874 on August 06, 2021, 11:42:43 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/06/we-need-a-beating-heart-ipswich-town-takeover-set-to-be-game-changer
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 06, 2021, 11:44:04 PM
Good move for him, Jacks stint at Notts County did him a power of good and this can do likewise.
Saw somewhere (think it was Gregg Evans) that Brad Young and Aaron Ramsey might go there too.
Our lads might face a battle to get in the team with some of their high profile squad members. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-suffolk-58121177
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 07, 2021, 11:44:35 AM
Post by: Damo70 on August 07, 2021, 02:01:04 PM
Post by: old man villa fan on August 07, 2021, 02:09:57 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on August 07, 2021, 02:39:20 PM
Hoping you tear up League One on your way to being a new VP hero.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 07, 2021, 02:41:45 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on August 07, 2021, 05:04:23 PM
Lame
Guess it was a late transfer but why name him on the bench?
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 07, 2021, 05:09:54 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 07, 2021, 05:24:16 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on August 07, 2021, 05:35:34 PM
Post by: supertom on August 07, 2021, 05:52:46 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2021, 07:52:29 PM
For his own sanity, I really hope Louie doesn't have to endure any Ed Sheeran songs during his time at the club. He'll return a broken man.
I used to DJ at a rum bar, it was a pretty causal affair with regular customers able to request songs if they wanted. Only 2 songs were forbidden (at any time) in the bar, 'Despacito' and Ed Sheeran's 'Shape of You'.
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on August 07, 2021, 11:51:19 PM
Post by: paul_e on August 07, 2021, 11:55:15 PM
Any young player would learn more at Villa than sitting on Ipswich's bench.
but will learn more playing for Ipswich than playing for our U23s, He's been there for 2 days. If he's still on the bench come September then it might be an issue.
Post by: purpletrousers on October 20, 2021, 08:28:39 PM
From Barcelona to a boyhood dream - the making of Louie Barry
MOTDx In The Making: Louie Barry's journey to 'boyhood club' Aston Villa via MOTDx
20 Oct 202120 Oct 2021From the section Football
Birmingham-born Louie Barry takes MOTDx back to his roots, as the 18-year-old forward talks through his journey from being scouted by West Bromwich Albion, to signing for Barcelona at 16, and scoring on his senior debut for boyhood club Aston Villa. He also explains his decision to go on loan to Ipswich Town.
Watch MOTDx on BBC iPlayer from 18:00 BST on Thursday, 21 October and on BBC Two from 19:00 BST on Friday, 22 October.
Post by: purpletrousers on October 20, 2021, 08:30:04 PM
Post by: Beard82 on October 20, 2021, 08:41:20 PM
Especially given today’s video, any updates on how much he’s playing/how he’s doing at Ipswich?Basically - he's not
Post by: TelfordVilla on October 20, 2021, 09:08:42 PM
Post by: Smithy on October 20, 2021, 09:13:45 PM
It's more worrying that he's not even making the bench at the minute (assuming he's not injured?). I'm not too worried about him not starting games, I think the lad who plays up front in Ipswich's one-up-front formation is into double figures for the season already, so he's unlikely to displace him from the starting line up, but to not even get a place on the bench is a bit worrying. I don't know how you go from there, to getting regular game time - which he obviously needs.Especially given today’s video, any updates on how much he’s playing/how he’s doing at Ipswich?Basically - he's not
Would not be surprised to see him recalled and sent somewhere in League 2 for more game time.
Post by: Legion on October 20, 2021, 09:26:49 PM
Especially given today’s video, any updates on how much he’s playing/how he’s doing at Ipswich?
He isn't.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on October 20, 2021, 09:44:07 PM
I don't know any details but I always look to see if he's in the squad but he's hardly featured.Especially given today’s video, any updates on how much he’s playing/how he’s doing at Ipswich?
He isn't.
Has he been injured aswell?
Post by: Legion on October 20, 2021, 09:48:46 PM
Post by: OCD on October 20, 2021, 09:57:15 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on October 20, 2021, 10:00:57 PM
https://www.flashscore.co.uk/player/barry-louie/lAo5HUx3/
Post by: Beard82 on October 20, 2021, 10:02:28 PM
I don't know. Sorry.I live in suffolk - so I get the local paper. Thought I would go and see him - https://www.suffolknews.co.uk/ipswich/sport/transfer-talk-villa-contemplate-recalling-youngster-9219543/
From what I understand he's impressed in training, fans think he looks a little lightweight, but hasn't really had a chance.
Think Ipswich are still on their Paul Lambert hangover - which we know all about
Post by: Legion on October 20, 2021, 10:05:46 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on October 20, 2021, 10:13:42 PM
Much appreciated.
It sounds like he just hasn't caught a break and got a decent run in the side and it does, barring injuries, seem like he won't get a chance.
Is there an option to recall him in January?
Post by: Beard82 on October 20, 2021, 10:28:00 PM
Thanks for the update.Yes I believe so. I read somewhere (though can't find it), that they were looking to call him back potentially.
Much appreciated.
It sounds like he just hasn't caught a break and got a decent run in the side and it does, barring injuries, seems like he won't get a chance.
Is there an option to recall him in January?
It's a shame - as I thought it was a good move for him. TBF I have only seen him against Liverpool seniors and in the FA Cup Youth final - but I thought he looked a bit special so I thought he would get more chances.
Currently, they are playing 1 upfront - which probably doesn't help, though he could probably play wide / inside forward.
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on October 20, 2021, 10:28:53 PM
Post by: Legion on October 20, 2021, 10:31:09 PM
Post by: paul_e on October 20, 2021, 10:37:59 PM
A recall with a further loan move to a League 1 or 2 side might be the best option for him.
The Swindon fan on the Kesler thread mentioned rumours that they want to take him for the 2nd half of the season.
Post by: sid1964 on October 21, 2021, 06:19:00 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on October 21, 2021, 06:21:22 AM
So is the decision by our loans management team to send Barry to Ipswich a poor one?
Well not really. We dont know how barry is looking in training. This move isnt working out recall him and loan him out to another side
Post by: Nunkin1965 on October 21, 2021, 09:20:52 AM
Paul Cook is a seasoned manager who did a brilliant job at Wigan and seems to be turning things around at Ipswich.
It would be a surprise from our point of view if he stayed there though as he's more than ready for first team football at that level.
Maybe a drop down to a lesser side and he'll be flying in no time.
Post by: placeforparks on October 21, 2021, 10:25:18 AM
A recall with a further loan move to a League 1 or 2 side might be the best option for him.
gregg evans said that was the plan. he is going to be recalled in jan, and a league 2 side is lined up.
Post by: Mister E on October 21, 2021, 12:55:18 PM
Post by: Legion on October 21, 2021, 03:30:42 PM
It did look like a great move from the outside.
Paul Cook is a seasoned manager who did a brilliant job at Wigan and seems to be turning things around at Ipswich.
It would be a surprise from our point of view if he stayed there though as he's more than ready for first team football at that level.
Maybe a drop down to a lesser side and he'll be flying in no time.
But is he though? Maybe due to his age and relative inexperience at a higher age level he is not considered ready by them to play against experienced first-teamers yet. I know he is not injured so there must be some reason why he is not being included in the match-day squad. Perhaps a slightly lower level would be better for him at the moment to get important game time?
Post by: JD on October 21, 2021, 07:09:21 PM
The problem at Ipswich is that they are playing well, winning games and scoring goals, so he is behind two or three players there at the moment. Just one of those things that can happen. A recall and a loan elsewhere seems the best solution.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on October 21, 2021, 07:18:11 PM
He wasn't playing when Ipswich were struggling and he isn't involved when they're playing well.
If the lower league move comes offthen hopefully he gets some gametime experience .
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 22, 2021, 12:37:36 AM
Hopefully we learn from this and insist on game time as a pre-condition to agreeing any future loans.
Post by: Ad@m on October 22, 2021, 07:01:46 AM
Ipswich are twats. We should never loan them a player again.
Hopefully we learn from this and insist on game time as a pre-condition to agreeing any future loans.
I don't think creating a sense of entitlement around playing time amongst our youth players is necessarily the right way to go.
This loan move hasn't worked out so I'm sure the club will spend time understanding why. Hopefully Louie has also learnt a valuable lesson about how tough it is to make it as a pro and just how hard he needs to work.
But he needs game time so hopefully we can find him that in January.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on December 05, 2021, 01:31:47 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 03, 2022, 04:54:42 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 03, 2022, 05:05:35 PM
We've recalled him .At last.
In fairness we could only recall him from this month I believe.
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2022, 05:06:55 PM
Post by: FrankyH on January 03, 2022, 05:09:03 PM
Post by: Legion on January 03, 2022, 10:24:09 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 04, 2022, 05:18:26 PM
He's probably not been selected to play for a reason. Perhaps he is not ready yet considering his age and lack of experience at playing above his age range. Another spell on loan at a lower level should do him the world of good.
The same could be said about Archer and others I suspect.
Post by: Legion on January 04, 2022, 08:19:50 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 04, 2022, 08:22:43 PM
I'd be surprised to see Archer go back out on loan given that Davis has been offloaded unless Gerrard brings in another striker during January.
Sorry, I mean not selected to play for a reason... perhaps the manager just doesn't feel they are ready.
Post by: Legion on January 04, 2022, 11:13:25 PM
Post by: john e on January 05, 2022, 10:34:33 AM
Post by: TonyD on January 05, 2022, 04:48:01 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on January 05, 2022, 05:02:44 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 05, 2022, 05:13:24 PM
Post by: achilles on January 05, 2022, 08:51:04 PM
This could easily be a pivotal moment in the career of Barry and how he reacts?
Post by: Beard82 on January 05, 2022, 08:55:12 PM
Would like to see him at Cheltenham. I could keep tabs on him then.I thought the same when he went to ipswich. Turned out it was pretty easy
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 05, 2022, 09:01:00 PM
Would like to see him at Cheltenham. I could keep tabs on him then.
Been down there a couple of times looks a good set up
Post by: Legion on January 05, 2022, 10:28:02 PM
Like to see him come off the bench c70 mins and run at teams.
Ahead of Archer at the moment? I doubt it.
Post by: Fred Crump on January 05, 2022, 11:03:49 PM
Would like to see him at Cheltenham. I could keep tabs on him then.
Been down there a couple of times looks a good set up
They are punching above their weight for a small club. Michael Duff, the manager is a smart cookie.
Post by: Legion on January 05, 2022, 11:05:40 PM
Strange how things work out, Barry was probably before Archer in the pecking order and goes out on loan to get match practice which doesn't happen and then comes back to find himself probably behind Archer in the pecking order!
Not far from the truth there.
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2022, 11:20:36 PM
Would like to see him at Cheltenham. I could keep tabs on him then.
Been down there a couple of times looks a good set up
They are punching above their weight for a small club. Michael Duff, the manager is a smart cookie.
They had Suliman on loan from us a few years ago, but sent him back early as he wasn't up to the job. They then had Vassilev last year, who didn't do a whole lot either.
Post by: Fred Crump on January 05, 2022, 11:37:02 PM
Hopefully Barry will do better, but he won't walk into the team. They are a decent side, I could see him making lots of sub appearances though, if he does okWould like to see him at Cheltenham. I could keep tabs on him then.
Been down there a couple of times looks a good set up
They are punching above their weight for a small club. Michael Duff, the manager is a smart cookie.
They had Suliman on loan from us a few years ago, but sent him back early as he wasn't up to the job. They then had Vassilev last year, who didn't do a whole lot either.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 06, 2022, 12:32:53 AM
Would like to see him at Cheltenham. I could keep tabs on him then.
Been down there a couple of times looks a good set up
They are punching above their weight for a small club. Michael Duff, the manager is a smart cookie.
Yep saw them play rotherham last year pretty even up until halftime .Then the visitors seemed to have another gear second half . Great little ground and to stand at game and then a night out in cheltenham!
Post by: Villa Lew on January 29, 2022, 11:44:57 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2022, 04:49:49 PM
Good effort.
Post by: Mouse Potato on February 12, 2022, 05:03:16 PM
Post by: Eckybloke on February 19, 2022, 04:23:20 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 19, 2022, 11:36:30 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on February 20, 2022, 01:59:14 AM
Harry McKirdy scored a good one, as well.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 22, 2022, 11:01:51 PM
Louie Barry 2 goals tonight included here in the highlights
Squad number 19 .
Impressive finishes.
Swindon Town play some brilliant football.
Post by: LukeJames on February 23, 2022, 09:01:33 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 23, 2022, 10:09:06 AM
&t=111s
Swindon play some really nice stuff.
Post by: cdward on February 23, 2022, 10:27:58 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 23, 2022, 10:50:49 AM
Post by: darren woolley on February 23, 2022, 01:53:54 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 23, 2022, 02:45:55 PM
Post by: OCD on February 23, 2022, 04:15:31 PM
Post by: Swindonlad on February 23, 2022, 04:21:44 PM
Thought i would give you a quick update like i did KKH. Barry has settled in very nicely, was harshly judged at first as played up top but now playing wide of a front 3 and is really starting to flourish. It might not be what many want to hear but he is starting to get kicked about a bit now but he is getting up and starting to give it back.
Early days but looks a real talent and i would love to see him spend a year here next season as he could do with a year top toughen up etc but seems to be loving it here tbh
Post by: darren woolley on February 23, 2022, 04:24:18 PM
Afternoon all
Thought i would give you a quick update like i did KKH. Barry has settled in very nicely, was harshly judged at first as played up top but now playing wide of a front 3 and is really starting to flourish. It might not be what many want to hear but he is starting to get kicked about a bit now but he is getting up and starting to give it back.
Early days but looks a real talent and i would love to see him spend a year here next season as he could do with a year top toughen up etc but seems to be loving it here tbh
Thanks for giving us an update I'm so pleased he's doing well for you.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 23, 2022, 04:27:00 PM
Afternoon all
Thought i would give you a quick update like i did KKH. Barry has settled in very nicely, was harshly judged at first as played up top but now playing wide of a front 3 and is really starting to flourish. It might not be what many want to hear but he is starting to get kicked about a bit now but he is getting up and starting to give it back.
Early days but looks a real talent and i would love to see him spend a year here next season as he could do with a year top toughen up etc but seems to be loving it here tbh
Thanks for giving us an update I'm so pleased he's doing well for you.
looking on utube you play some nice stuff
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 23, 2022, 05:03:19 PM
His celebration certainly showed how much he is enjoying it.
Post by: OCD on February 23, 2022, 06:07:13 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on February 23, 2022, 06:39:21 PM
Thanks Swindonlad. It wouldn't surprise me if we loaned him you again at the start of next season and then if he's doing well, loan him to a club in a higher division like we did with KKH. Ideally he would then go and down what Archer's doing for Preston.
Swindon are in with a fair shout of promotion, be good if he was a part of that , then he'd be in higher div next year anyway !
Post by: eamonn on February 23, 2022, 07:42:33 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 23, 2022, 08:14:35 PM
Go Swindon! I'm still sad Oasis shut down.
It'll be ok, just don't look back in anger.
Post by: Beard82 on February 23, 2022, 08:16:55 PM
Or just, Go Let It Out, you'll feel better for it. If that fails, just Roll with ItGo Swindon! I'm still sad Oasis shut down.
It'll be ok, just don't look back in anger.
Post by: OCD on February 23, 2022, 09:00:37 PM
Thanks Swindonlad. It wouldn't surprise me if we loaned him you again at the start of next season and then if he's doing well, loan him to a club in a higher division like we did with KKH. Ideally he would then go and down what Archer's doing for Preston.
Swindon are in with a fair shout of promotion, be good if he was a part of that , then he'd be in higher div next year anyway !
Yep but they would be in League 1 rather than the Championship.
Post by: eamonn on February 23, 2022, 09:19:18 PM
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Post by: adrenachrome on February 24, 2022, 02:32:56 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 24, 2022, 02:42:33 AM
Post by: adrenachrome on February 24, 2022, 02:57:12 AM
^^ That’s a good one, but there’s another on Twitter that focuses exclusively on our boy.
Here's one.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1496461435026743306 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1496461435026743306)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 24, 2022, 03:57:20 AM
^^ That’s a good one, but there’s another on Twitter that focuses exclusively on our boy.
Here's one.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1496461435026743306 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1496461435026743306)
That’s the one I saw, cheers for posting.
Post by: OCD on February 24, 2022, 08:14:42 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 24, 2022, 08:47:01 PM
Don't know whether I should say this but I can see a bit of Grealish in the Barry plays.
That's fine, I just hope Louie has better dress sense (and common sense).
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 24, 2022, 09:12:17 PM
Not for for me as Barry is a goal scorer and he's like Vardy or something.Don't know whether I should say this but I can see a bit of Grealish in the Barry plays.
That's fine, I just hope Louie has better dress sense (and common sense).
If he has the scoring instincts of Vardy fused with the one and only Milner.
Yeah give me James Milner attitude to professional football any day.
801 appearances last night.
Quality on and off the pitch.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 24, 2022, 09:13:24 PM
Give me James Milner attitude to professional football any day.
801 appearances last night.
Quality on and off the pitch.
That is amazing
Post by: Mister E on February 25, 2022, 01:53:18 PM
Don't know whether I should say this but I can see a bit of Grealish in the Barry plays.What I liked in that footage from Saturday is Barry's movement; he's always looking to pass and move. And, what finishing!
Post by: eamonn on February 25, 2022, 08:47:06 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 25, 2022, 09:41:02 PM
I prefer players with Louie's skill than Milner's...whatever he has. Football is meant to excite.
It would unfair to say Milner; at his very best was not exciting. To be exciting you don’t have to be skilful like Coutinho although Milner has loads of that also. He is and has always been a brilliant pro and a fantastic multi dimensional footballer. Louie Barry will have a spectacular career of plays half as many games in the top division of English football.
Post by: LeeB on February 26, 2022, 11:38:21 AM
Post by: Bad English on February 26, 2022, 11:55:55 AM
I was pretty exited when he smashed that thunderbastard in at Sunderland.I'd had a few too.
Post by: OCD on February 26, 2022, 01:25:05 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 26, 2022, 01:33:28 PM
Milner was brilliant when we moved him into the centre and he was playing alongside Petrov.
Along with Gaz Baz, a proper PL midfield
Post by: OCD on February 26, 2022, 01:35:36 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 26, 2022, 03:17:27 PM
I thought Barry had left by the point Milner was in the centre?Very good!
It hurt me deeply to see them playing at Man City overjoyed they won things as pros but they never appreciated as much at MC over seas stars.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 04, 2022, 08:36:20 PM
Hopefully nothing too serious and not for too long.
Post by: SaddVillan on March 04, 2022, 08:54:23 PM
Looks like Louie's out for a while. https://twitter.com/LouieBarry6/status/1499838511075274755
Hopefully nothing too serious and not for too long.
Swindon's manager said earlier this week that Barry had rolled his ankle last week against Salford.
Hopefully not too serious.
Post by: eamonn on March 04, 2022, 09:35:20 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on April 08, 2022, 10:47:14 PM
Anyway, on to the game.
A very enjoyable contest with both sides trying to play proper footy. No rough or cynical fouls - only 2 bookings throughout. Swindon played out from the back every time aand moved the ball around well.
Barry is a couple of inches taller than last season and has has certainly filled out by a couple of stone - obviously benefitting from a proper training and nutritional regime - looks to have a good physique. He's definitely not the spindly will-o-the-wisp that he was.
He played wide left in a 3-5-2 and even though it was his first game back after injury he had plenty of pace and positional awareness. Got in some good crosses, tracked back well and didn't quite manage to get on the end of some wayward balls from the right hand side.
I spoke to some Swindon fans before the game. They really like him and are very impressed with the quality of players we've loaned them KKH last year and Barry this season. Reckon we'll be loaning out one a year to them.
As for Barry,'s future?
A loan to a Championship side in August looks to me to be the next step on his career progression.
Post by: OCD on April 09, 2022, 12:09:20 AM
Post by: eamonn on April 09, 2022, 12:51:41 AM
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 09, 2022, 01:43:36 AM
Look at Cam! Non-league last season, tearing up the Champs a year later!
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 09, 2022, 08:37:42 AM
Post by: eamonn on April 09, 2022, 12:12:10 PM
I know what you mean, but it is possible to 'jump' more than one division.
Look at Cam! Non-league last season, tearing up the Champs a year later!
Very true. Archer has surprised everyone except the Legionnaire.
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 10, 2022, 01:15:24 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 10, 2022, 08:10:46 AM
I know it's the Champs, but I can't help thinking we would have been better off this evening with Keinan and Cam up front together!!
Agreed.
Post by: Dave P on April 15, 2022, 05:13:23 PM
Post by: Mister E on April 15, 2022, 05:17:27 PM
2 goals today for Barry. We have some potential stars out on loan.Harrogate Town are tanking somewhat at the moment, but 2 goals away from home is still good stuff.
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 17, 2022, 02:06:00 AM
Post by: purpletrousers on July 18, 2022, 01:00:05 PM
the headline version of this BBC story was/is "MK Dons sign forward Barry from Aston Villa" which I found a bit surprising, only just now spotted as it wasn't named in the story, but on the full page itself the headline has *on loan* . Makes much more sense, their site confirms full season loan with quotes in bold from him. Not sure about their maths for goal contributions at Swindon, maybe close to 1 in 2 they meant.
https://www.mkdons.com/news/2022/july/mk-dons-bring-in-louie-barry
(https://www.mkdons.com/news/2022/july/mk-dons-bring-in-louie-barry)
Quote
MK Dons have completed the loan signing of England youth international Louie Barry.
Barry, 19, joins from Aston Villa and will spend the 2022/23 campaign at Stadium MK.
The winger, who spent time with West Bromwich Albion and Barcelona as a youngster before moving to Villa Park, has 24 career games to date, including 16 while on loan at Swindon Town last season.
During his 16-game spell with the Robins, Barry scored six goals and provided one assist, helping the Wiltshire club reach the League Two Play-Offs – he averaged just shy of one goal contribution per appearance.
“I’m very pleased to be here,” Barry said in his first interview with iFollow MK Dons. “I spoke with the Gaffer and he sold it to me. I had a lot of interest this summer but this move really suits me so I went with my gut instinct and I’m really excited it’s all come together.
“I was very pleased with how things went with Swindon. I needed to do well there and the positive experiences help me come here with confidence and hopefully I can put that into my time here at MK Dons to help us push on.
“I spoke with Kaine (Kesler Hayden) who was here last season – we had the same route. It worked well for Kaine and while that doesn’t necessarily mean it will work for me, it does paint a good picture for me as to what I can achieve.
“I am just really excited to get to work. I am looking forward to enjoying my football here in front of the fans and hopefully I can help the team achieve its aims.”
Born in Sutton Coldfield, Barry began his career with West Bromwich Albion. He featured just once for their Under-23s in the Papa John’s Trophy before joining Barcelona in July 2019, signing a three-year deal with the Spanish giants and becoming the first British player to join their Academy.
The winger spent six months in Spain before returning to the UK with Aston Villa, joining the Midlands club for an undisclosed fee. He immediately became a regular for their Under-23s side.
Barry was handed his senior debut by Villa in January 2021 for their Emirates FA Cup tie with Liverpool and he marked the occasion with a goal – a strike that was voted Goal of the Round by BBC Sport readers and earned praise from Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp.
At the start of last season, the attacker completed a loan move to Ipswich Town but was limited to just seven appearances for the Tractor Boys. He then joined Swindon Town in January and made a real impact for the Robins, scoring six goals and providing one assist in 16 appearances as the Wiltshire side reached the League Two Play-Offs.
Barry is also an England youth international and, to date, has 25 caps to his name across the Under-15s, Under-16s, Under-17s and Under-18s age groups.
Sporting Director Liam Sweeting said: “Louie is an exciting attacking player that we have watched whilst playing Premier League 2 football for Aston Villa Under-23s and through his loan spells at Ipswich Town and, most recently, Swindon Town.
“He fits the type of player Liam is looking for in this position as he runs in behind, attacks the back post and is a real goal threat.
“He is very much on the upward curve and is another good pick up for us, utilising the loan market positively, with someone who has had successful experience already in the EFL. I am looking forward to his progress continuing with us here at MK Dons.”
Head Coach Liam Manning added: “Louie is an exciting player who has had an interesting career journey already, despite his young age. He has a number of experiences and comes here on the back of a successful spell at Swindon Town last season.
“He has some excellent attributes which will compliment our team well. His job now is to work alongside the coaches to produce high-quality moments consistently in order to contribute to the team’s goals.”
Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2022, 03:07:40 PM
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 20, 2022, 10:37:19 PM
last week https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62143491
the headline version of this BBC story was/is "MK Dons sign forward Barry from Aston Villa" which I found a bit surprising, only just now spotted as it wasn't named in the story, but on the full page itself the headline has *on loan* . Makes much more sense, their site confirms full season loan with quotes in bold from him. Not sure about their maths for goal contributions at Swindon, maybe close to 1 in 2 they meant.
https://www.mkdons.com/news/2022/july/mk-dons-bring-in-louie-barry
(https://www.mkdons.com/news/2022/july/mk-dons-bring-in-louie-barry)QuoteMK Dons have completed the loan signing of England youth international Louie Barry.
Barry, 19, joins from Aston Villa and will spend the 2022/23 campaign at Stadium MK.
The winger, who spent time with West Bromwich Albion and Barcelona as a youngster before moving to Villa Park, has 24 career games to date, including 16 while on loan at Swindon Town last season.
During his 16-game spell with the Robins, Barry scored six goals and provided one assist, helping the Wiltshire club reach the League Two Play-Offs – he averaged just shy of one goal contribution per appearance.
“I’m very pleased to be here,” Barry said in his first interview with iFollow MK Dons. “I spoke with the Gaffer and he sold it to me. I had a lot of interest this summer but this move really suits me so I went with my gut instinct and I’m really excited it’s all come together.
“I was very pleased with how things went with Swindon. I needed to do well there and the positive experiences help me come here with confidence and hopefully I can put that into my time here at MK Dons to help us push on.
“I spoke with Kaine (Kesler Hayden) who was here last season – we had the same route. It worked well for Kaine and while that doesn’t necessarily mean it will work for me, it does paint a good picture for me as to what I can achieve.
“I am just really excited to get to work. I am looking forward to enjoying my football here in front of the fans and hopefully I can help the team achieve its aims.”
Born in Sutton Coldfield, Barry began his career with West Bromwich Albion. He featured just once for their Under-23s in the Papa John’s Trophy before joining Barcelona in July 2019, signing a three-year deal with the Spanish giants and becoming the first British player to join their Academy.
The winger spent six months in Spain before returning to the UK with Aston Villa, joining the Midlands club for an undisclosed fee. He immediately became a regular for their Under-23s side.
Barry was handed his senior debut by Villa in January 2021 for their Emirates FA Cup tie with Liverpool and he marked the occasion with a goal – a strike that was voted Goal of the Round by BBC Sport readers and earned praise from Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp.
At the start of last season, the attacker completed a loan move to Ipswich Town but was limited to just seven appearances for the Tractor Boys. He then joined Swindon Town in January and made a real impact for the Robins, scoring six goals and providing one assist in 16 appearances as the Wiltshire side reached the League Two Play-Offs.
Barry is also an England youth international and, to date, has 25 caps to his name across the Under-15s, Under-16s, Under-17s and Under-18s age groups.
Sporting Director Liam Sweeting said: “Louie is an exciting attacking player that we have watched whilst playing Premier League 2 football for Aston Villa Under-23s and through his loan spells at Ipswich Town and, most recently, Swindon Town.
“He fits the type of player Liam is looking for in this position as he runs in behind, attacks the back post and is a real goal threat.
“He is very much on the upward curve and is another good pick up for us, utilising the loan market positively, with someone who has had successful experience already in the EFL. I am looking forward to his progress continuing with us here at MK Dons.”
Head Coach Liam Manning added: “Louie is an exciting player who has had an interesting career journey already, despite his young age. He has a number of experiences and comes here on the back of a successful spell at Swindon Town last season.
“He has some excellent attributes which will compliment our team well. His job now is to work alongside the coaches to produce high-quality moments consistently in order to contribute to the team’s goals.”
Aston Villa shouldn't do business with milton keynes
Post by: Pete3206 on July 20, 2022, 10:54:10 PM
Post by: Legion on July 20, 2022, 10:55:24 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2022, 11:00:06 PM
Post by: Risso on July 20, 2022, 11:18:32 PM
Post by: Dave P on July 21, 2022, 08:36:34 AM
We're part of the reason they do.
In what way is that?
Post by: purpletrousers on July 21, 2022, 09:14:46 AM
We're part of the reason they do.
In what way is that?
https://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/30-Clubs/2830-sins-of-commission
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 21, 2022, 07:18:43 PM
We're part of the reason they do.
In what way is that?
https://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/30-Clubs/2830-sins-of-commission
He was asked about it later and said they were given no other information than that if the frachise didn't go ahead Wimbledon would go out of business.
Post by: purpletrousers on July 21, 2022, 08:53:24 PM
Post by: Risso on July 21, 2022, 09:32:02 PM
I don’t really have a dog in the fight, but wasn’t the gist of that article (not saying it’s true) that they didn’t test that info out?
Yes, commissions normally delve into the detail a bit and look into the source info. Still, it's history now and there are two clubs now where there might have been none, and the town I grew up in has a nice stadium and a league 1 team.
Post by: eamonn on July 21, 2022, 10:15:24 PM
Post by: LeeB on July 21, 2022, 10:50:37 PM
Why didn't Milton Keynes have a club previously? A place that size, a bit odd.
Because it didn't really exist before the second world war.
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 21, 2022, 10:57:41 PM
Post by: Risso on July 22, 2022, 08:20:23 AM
Why didn't Milton Keynes have a club previously? A place that size, a bit odd.
Because it grew exponentially from the 70s onwards. Designed as a London overspill, it was based on 5 or 6 existing small towns and a few villages, and they basically filled it in with housing estates. There was talk in the mid 80s of Luton Town moving there, and before Milton Keynes there was talk of Wimbledon moving to Dublin. There was a short lived non league club called Milton Keynes City which Ron Noades bought into.
When I was at school there for the 80s, apart from the usual Liverpool fans, everybody supported a London club.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 22, 2022, 11:12:53 AM
Post by: eamonn on July 22, 2022, 11:58:29 AM
Post by: john e on July 22, 2022, 03:57:51 PM
alas no show, only even younger kids mainly on parade
So had to make do with a few pints and then a few more pints as compensation
3-2 Newport
Post by: Risso on July 22, 2022, 04:00:04 PM
Went to Newport Pagnell v MK Dons last night hoping to get a sight of Barry
alas no show, only even younger kids mainly on parade
So had to make do with a few pints and then a few more pints as compensation
3-2 Newport
Was planning to come and see my dad then go to that, but plans changed.
Post by: john e on July 22, 2022, 04:02:43 PM
Went to Newport Pagnell v MK Dons last night hoping to get a sight of Barry
alas no show, only even younger kids mainly on parade
So had to make do with a few pints and then a few more pints as compensation
3-2 Newport
Was planning to come and see my dad then go to that, but plans changed.
you should have said we could have had a meet nice balmy evening for it
Attendance - 652
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 23, 2022, 02:39:17 PM
Post by: john e on July 24, 2022, 11:46:39 AM
my daughter is Villa so their 8 month old son will also be Villa as as we all know wife’s are the bosses
He’s in his late 20s and was asked the other day who he supported before MK Dons
He said no one I’ve always supported MK Dons
They said no but you must have supported someone before MK ?
And he said i’ve never supported anyone else it’s always been MK Dons
And there we have the problem in a nutshell a lot of locally born MK dons supporters might be aware of how they came about but weren’t old enough or alive to know anything about it
They’re just supporting their local club while older people get all involved with the politics and stand on sanctimonious soapboxes About something that happened nearly 20 years ago lots of younger fans won’t have the same investment of hatred towards it simply because they weren’t about at the time
I’ve said before if youngsters want to support MK Dons in Milton Keynes good on them, I’ve got more respect for them than the thousands of Man United and Liverpool fans that walk around the city centre, For me it’s those 2 that are the true franchise clubs
Post by: Risso on July 24, 2022, 11:58:53 AM
Post by: john e on July 24, 2022, 12:06:08 PM
Well said John. Growing up in the city it was a real football desert. More or less the only games I got to before I was old enough to take myself were the odd Luton game with my best mate and his dad. You'd have to be mid to late 20s to even vauely remember the fuss at the time, and probably 30+ to really care about it.
I would guess with 99% certainty that they probably have the youngest fan base in all the leagues
So you would have a mixed group of 17/18-year-olds going to see their local club who in fairness are not a big club and never will be it’s all in all a rubbish atmosphere and not a lot to get excited about but there you go it’s watching local live football and having a good time with your mates together
And they have to be lectured to by some old blokes who think they know how everyone should support their Teams
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 24, 2022, 12:20:58 PM
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 24, 2022, 12:21:49 PM
Back home to South London for example.
Genuine question.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 24, 2022, 12:25:01 PM
Post by: john e on July 24, 2022, 12:37:12 PM
Have you given any thought as to how you'd feel about the four hour round trip if they rename and move somewhere else again?
Back home to South London for example.
Genuine question.
I’ve had zero thoughts about that mainly because I don’t care about MK dons in the slightest
I live in the area so I know a little bit about them but have no interest in what they do whatsoever
Genuine answer
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 24, 2022, 12:42:44 PM
Post by: Risso on July 24, 2022, 01:27:26 PM
Have you given any thought as to how you'd feel about the four hour round trip if they rename and move somewhere else again?
Back home to South London for example.
Genuine question.
That's not very likely is it? If they hadn't moved there probably wouldn't have been a club for them to watch anyway, until somebody started AFC at least, which they did.
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2023, 02:36:34 PM
Surely that suggests we're planning on a new striker arriving?
Post by: Bully2345 on January 30, 2023, 02:42:50 PM
Post by: jwarry on January 30, 2023, 02:45:18 PM
Been recalled. And sent on loan to Salford City instead.Or Barry wasn’t getting any playing time so has had to drop down a division and so maybe not all he was cracked up to be?
Surely that suggests we're planning on a new striker arriving?
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2023, 02:46:03 PM
I don't think Louie Barry swapping loan clubs will have any bearing on signing a first team striker or not
I imagine that if we didn't plan to bring anyone else in, having Barry as third choice striker would be preferable to a third choice not existing.
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2023, 02:47:02 PM
Been recalled. And sent on loan to Salford City instead.Or Barry wasn’t getting any playing time so has had to drop down a division and so maybe not all he was cracked up to be?
Surely that suggests we're planning on a new striker arriving?
He's played 22 games for them
Post by: paul_e on January 30, 2023, 02:51:41 PM
Been recalled. And sent on loan to Salford City instead.
Surely that suggests we're planning on a new striker arriving?
Good, fingers crossed this loan works for him. He has loads of talent but the last 18months have been poor to the point where not many people are even considering him as an option any more. If this one doesn't go well I think it might indicate that he's not going to make it, which will be a shame given how good he looked against Liverpool.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 30, 2023, 03:05:34 PM
The 19-year-old, who was part of Barcelona's academy, scored on his one senior outing for the Premier League club, against Liverpool in the FA Cup.
Barry has previously spent time on loan at Ipswich, Swindon and most recently MK Dons earlier this season, where he scored once in 32 games.
"I feel like coming here will improve me as a player," Barry said.
"I'm a very attacking player, I'm very forward thinking, whenever I get the ball I think forward.
"I'm a goal scorer, that's where I made my name, scoring goals. I like to create, I like to make things happen in the box when I get the ball, I want to drive forward, get players and put them on the back foot."
Barry, the son of former Villa, Manchester City and England midfielder Gareth, spent a decade at West Brom before joining Barca's junior ranks, and then returned to England with Villa in January 2020.
Has Gareth got a son we don't know about?!
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2023, 03:06:53 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 30, 2023, 03:07:48 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 30, 2023, 03:09:33 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2023, 03:11:04 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 30, 2023, 03:15:10 PM
Post by: Risso on January 30, 2023, 03:18:45 PM
I don't think Louie Barry swapping loan clubs will have any bearing on signing a first team striker or not
I imagine that if we didn't plan to bring anyone else in, having Barry as third choice striker would be preferable to a third choice not existing.
I don't think so in this case. I think we'd probably try Olsen up front before we do Barry, he's probably the furthest away from being ready for the Premier League of all the young players.
Post by: Drummond on January 30, 2023, 03:21:04 PM
Been recalled. And sent on loan to Salford City instead.
Surely that suggests we're planning on a new striker arriving?
I guess he's perhaps not doing as well as we'd hoped. Dropping down a division is an odd thing to do, unless they play a different way of course.
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2023, 03:22:45 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 30, 2023, 03:44:04 PM
I don't think Louie Barry swapping loan clubs will have any bearing on signing a first team striker or not
I imagine that if we didn't plan to bring anyone else in, having Barry as third choice striker would be preferable to a third choice not existing.
I don't think so in this case. I think we'd probably try Olsen up front before we do Barry, he's probably the furthest away from being ready for the Premier League of all the young players.
Agreed. Dave is not one for naive thinking usually, so I'm quite surprised.
Post by: Smithy on January 30, 2023, 04:09:05 PM
That said, he is only 19, and quite slight, so he might have some growing to do yet. At his age Cameron Archer wasn't particularly shining at Solihull Moors, but came on leaps and bounds in the next 12-18 months, so who knows where he'll be in another 2 seasons. Fingers crossed he get a few goals in Salford!
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 30, 2023, 04:32:56 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on January 30, 2023, 05:09:04 PM
No surprise to hear from Jackson that Barry will likely leave.
Pretty evident after his omission on Tuesday. He was pretty much bullied by opposition players most of the time. Was like a child trying to take on their dad in a garden kick about.
He needs to improve his agility and/or strength to make it in the pro game in my opinion. Hopefully he does.
And :
Convinced there is a player in there. Confidence shot to bits though and perhaps just not ready for this level.
Also :
Barry is off to Salford as of tomorrow by the sounds of it. Good luck to him. Think there is a diamond in there but you have to work through a lot of the rough
Post by: Flin5tone on January 30, 2023, 05:32:27 PM
And we're picking up the tab as usual
Post by: Simon Page on January 30, 2023, 05:41:02 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2023, 05:45:22 PM
From Barcelona to Salford
And we're picking up the tab as usual
I bet the 2 or 3k we're paying him, minus any loan fees and what the other clubs pay of his wages has us close to bankrputcy.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 30, 2023, 06:18:57 PM
Post by: Border villan on January 30, 2023, 08:40:49 PM
From Barcelona to Salford
And we're picking up the tab as usual
To be more accurate;
From West Brom to Salford.
Obviously a big step up.
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 30, 2023, 09:04:38 PM
Post by: Virgil Caine on January 30, 2023, 10:08:24 PM
At Bedfordshire's finest he was playing in a team getting beaten most weeks. At Salford he'll be in one of the better performing teams in the division. Could be that being in a side that has more of the ball is preferable for a centre forward's development.
Buckinghamshires finest- the only professional club in Bedfordshire is Luton Town FC. However watch out for the newly formed Bedford Real ( yes, really) who are taking Division One of the Spartan South Midlands League by storm.Owned by a guy whose made his money through Cryptocurrency and has big ambitions to enter the big time in the next 5-10 years. I suspect there will be tears before long however.
Post by: sid1964 on January 31, 2023, 06:05:34 AM
Post by: algy on January 31, 2023, 07:03:20 AM
To me, it sounds like he's got the technical ability but perhaps isn't physically strong enough yet. The latter will come with time, though.
Post by: Simon Page on January 31, 2023, 08:39:14 AM
Both better than Suffolk though.
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2023, 09:24:51 AM
I am always ashamed of geographical errors, even if the difference between Beds and Bucks reminds me of our thread diversion into pointless places of a few weeks back.
Both better than Suffolk though.
South Bucks is lovely around the Chilterns. Bedfordshire contains Luton and Bedford. No comparison.
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2023, 09:29:20 AM
Think Archer was playing on loan at Solihull Moors when he was 19, so a division below Barry.
To me, it sounds like he's got the technical ability but perhaps isn't physically strong enough yet. The latter will come with time, though.
I met on old school mate of mine for a drink to celebrate his birthday on Saturday, he's a Milton Keynes season ticket holder. His views aren't really surprising, trotted out the "there's a player in there" but thought Barry is far too small and ineffectual to make it at the top level. Young Louie is 20 in June, but still looks about 14. I guess he's running out of time to have that growth spurt he needs.
Post by: paul_e on January 31, 2023, 09:59:10 AM
Think Archer was playing on loan at Solihull Moors when he was 19, so a division below Barry.
To me, it sounds like he's got the technical ability but perhaps isn't physically strong enough yet. The latter will come with time, though.
I met on old school mate of mine for a drink to celebrate his birthday on Saturday, he's a Milton Keynes season ticket holder. His views aren't really surprising, trotted out the "there's a player in there" but thought Barry is far too small and ineffectual to make it at the top level. Young Louie is 20 in June, but still looks about 14. I guess he's running out of time to have that growth spurt he needs.
Being small isn't a deal breaker but it's a obstacle he needs to overcome soon, either by working on his core strength or by finding ways to use his size to his advantage.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 31, 2023, 10:33:44 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 31, 2023, 10:37:48 AM
Think Archer was playing on loan at Solihull Moors when he was 19, so a division below Barry.
To me, it sounds like he's got the technical ability but perhaps isn't physically strong enough yet. The latter will come with time, though.
I met on old school mate of mine for a drink to celebrate his birthday on Saturday, he's a Milton Keynes season ticket holder. His views aren't really surprising, trotted out the "there's a player in there" but thought Barry is far too small and ineffectual to make it at the top level. Young Louie is 20 in June, but still looks about 14. I guess he's running out of time to have that growth spurt he needs.
Being small isn't a deal breaker but it's a obstacle he needs to overcome soon, either by working on his core strength or by finding ways to use his size to his advantage.
Being diminutive has not hindered that little bloke who is Captain of Argentina
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2023, 10:40:03 AM
Post by: paul_e on January 31, 2023, 10:43:57 AM
Think Archer was playing on loan at Solihull Moors when he was 19, so a division below Barry.
To me, it sounds like he's got the technical ability but perhaps isn't physically strong enough yet. The latter will come with time, though.
I met on old school mate of mine for a drink to celebrate his birthday on Saturday, he's a Milton Keynes season ticket holder. His views aren't really surprising, trotted out the "there's a player in there" but thought Barry is far too small and ineffectual to make it at the top level. Young Louie is 20 in June, but still looks about 14. I guess he's running out of time to have that growth spurt he needs.
Being small isn't a deal breaker but it's a obstacle he needs to overcome soon, either by working on his core strength or by finding ways to use his size to his advantage.
Being diminutive has not hindered that little bloke who is Captain of Argentina
Exactly, same for Aguero and Bernardo Silva and many others over the years.
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2023, 10:47:02 AM
Think Archer was playing on loan at Solihull Moors when he was 19, so a division below Barry.
To me, it sounds like he's got the technical ability but perhaps isn't physically strong enough yet. The latter will come with time, though.
I met on old school mate of mine for a drink to celebrate his birthday on Saturday, he's a Milton Keynes season ticket holder. His views aren't really surprising, trotted out the "there's a player in there" but thought Barry is far too small and ineffectual to make it at the top level. Young Louie is 20 in June, but still looks about 14. I guess he's running out of time to have that growth spurt he needs.
Being small isn't a deal breaker but it's a obstacle he needs to overcome soon, either by working on his core strength or by finding ways to use his size to his advantage.
Being diminutive has not hindered that little bloke who is Captain of Argentina
Exactly, same for Aguero and Bernardo Silva and many others over the years.
As you said earlier Paul it's a question of adapting your technique to use it to your advantage.
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2023, 10:51:56 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2023, 10:55:37 AM
Can't he take legal steroids?
A year long loan move to a South African rugby club might do the trick
Post by: paul_e on January 31, 2023, 10:57:42 AM
Can't he take legal steroids?
A year long loan move to a South African rugby club might do the trick
He'd come back 3-4 stone heavier but with the player, club and coaches all adament it was purely from work on the training field.
Post by: Drummond on January 31, 2023, 12:26:25 PM
Post by: Smithy on January 31, 2023, 12:32:07 PM
I remember under MON when Agbonlahor was pacy and he was sent away in the off season to bulk up. He did that and lost his pace and was never really the same player.
The physical difference between 2008 Gabby and 2010 Gabby is really quite stark. Especially when you consider he was between 22 and 24 at that point, not a developing kid. From 20-22 he was like a whippet.
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2023, 12:43:02 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 31, 2023, 01:00:43 PM
He's one I don't think will make it at anything higher than League 1 or 2 at best. Of the current crop, the only ones who I think might break through into the first team are Iroegbunam, Feeney and possibly Raikhy and Ramsey junior. I don't have much hope for the likes of Philogene-Bidace, Chukwuemeka, Brad Young or many of the current U21s. We should get reasonable fees for most of them though.I agree about the bold names.
All three of those have the most likely chance of breaking through. Kesler-Hayden & possibly Philogene-Bidace are coin flips. All have pace, all have agility, all have decent skills for their position, along with a few from other positions which make them stand out in their own.
The rest, we should get some money for, apart from maybe that Chuckwuemeka kid. Who has all the physical attributes needed, & some of the technical, but really shitty mental attributes, so if he makes it, I will eat my own arse. Brad Young is a straight line pace merchant & Raikhy has never overly impressed me, even when I saw him at the level Stockport play at. Finn Azaz is more likely to make it than Raikhy. And Azaz is most likely being developed to sell. Philogene-Bidace needs to add an end product & some consistency for him to play himself into the equation. In my humble opinion of course.
But Iroebugnam, A. Ramsey, Feeney & possibly Kesler-Hayden, should play some part in our first team squad over the course of the next few years. The rest will drift off down the divisions into obscurity.
And then we are onto the likes of Kadan Young, Omari Kellyman, Rory Wilson & Kerr Smith. Who all have the potential, at this stage, to be considered ones for the future...
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2023, 01:13:53 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on January 31, 2023, 01:17:15 PM
I am always ashamed of geographical errors, even if the difference between Beds and Bucks reminds me of our thread diversion into pointless places of a few weeks back.
Both better than Suffolk though.
Although the H&V house band do have a song about Suffolk :)
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 31, 2023, 01:18:07 PM
I thought we had let Chuck Jr go as he was shite and had only signed him to keep the parents happy.
He's out on loan. Crawley... Not doing anything because pretty much wherever he goes, he thinks he is Pele & above the level he is playing at. While performing well below the level of his club.
Post by: Smithy on January 31, 2023, 02:08:07 PM
I still think he'll develop physically (maybe not much taller, but certainly stronger), and there is obviously technical ability there, and some pace, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the lad. It's also no inconceivable that a technically gifted player could succeed at a higher level, even if they don't particularly shine amongst the cloggers in League one and two. No idea if he has the required ability, I guess we'll see in the next 18 months.
Post by: UK Redsox on January 31, 2023, 02:46:03 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2023, 02:56:47 PM
Louie is already taller than Emi Buendia, so he'll either learn to make an impact with the size he has, or he'll have a lower league career. Most "small" successful players have spent their entire childhood and developing years being small, so they've adapted to a style of playing against boys around them who were bigger. I'm not sure Louie was ever particularly small for his age (in the older clips of him in Barca's academy that did the rounds a while back he looked the same size as all the other kids), he just hasn't had the growth spurt a lot of others have had at 16-19.
I still think he'll develop physically (maybe not much taller, but certainly stronger), and there is obviously technical ability there, and some pace, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the lad. It's also no inconceivable that a technically gifted player could succeed at a higher level, even if they don't particularly shine amongst the cloggers in League one and two. No idea if he has the required ability, I guess we'll see in the next 18 months.
*adopts Martin O'Neill voice*
He weighs eight stone wet through
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 31, 2023, 08:11:45 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2023, 08:16:24 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 31, 2023, 08:54:25 PM
He's one I don't think will make it at anything higher than League 1 or 2 at best. Of the current crop, the only ones who I think might break through into the first team are Iroegbunam, Feeney and possibly Raikhy and Ramsey junior. I don't have much hope for the likes of Philogene-Bidace, Chukwuemeka, Brad Young or many of the current U21s. We should get reasonable fees for most of them though.
He's 19. At 19 Archer was playing in the National League. He'll do fine.
Post by: Risso on February 01, 2023, 07:45:43 PM
He's one I don't think will make it at anything higher than League 1 or 2 at best. Of the current crop, the only ones who I think might break through into the first team are Iroegbunam, Feeney and possibly Raikhy and Ramsey junior. I don't have much hope for the likes of Philogene-Bidace, Chukwuemeka, Brad Young or many of the current U21s. We should get reasonable fees for most of them though.
He's 19. At 19 Archer was playing in the National League. He'll do fine.
We've had lots of 19 year olds who haven't made it mate.
Post by: algy on February 01, 2023, 08:16:18 PM
Barry is clearly a way off our first team squad at the moment, but he's still young. Needs to start looking like he's at least Championship standard over the next season or two though.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 02, 2023, 01:43:41 AM
His family are generously proportioned so I think the size will come soon.
Gareth Barry, huge arse included) is not really his dad. *
*I know you know this.
Post by: Chris Smith on February 02, 2023, 08:14:22 AM
He's one I don't think will make it at anything higher than League 1 or 2 at best. Of the current crop, the only ones who I think might break through into the first team are Iroegbunam, Feeney and possibly Raikhy and Ramsey junior. I don't have much hope for the likes of Philogene-Bidace, Chukwuemeka, Brad Young or many of the current U21s. We should get reasonable fees for most of them though.
He's 19. At 19 Archer was playing in the National League. He'll do fine.
Every player that does make it was 19 once.
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 02, 2023, 08:52:36 AM
He's one I don't think will make it at anything higher than League 1 or 2 at best. Of the current crop, the only ones who I think might break through into the first team are Iroegbunam, Feeney and possibly Raikhy and Ramsey junior. I don't have much hope for the likes of Philogene-Bidace, Chukwuemeka, Brad Young or many of the current U21s. We should get reasonable fees for most of them though.
He's 19. At 19 Archer was playing in the National League. He'll do fine.
We've had lots of 19 year olds who haven't made it mate.
Clearly he has made it already what with the Rolex Daytona he has on in his ITSOTP pictures, I’ve also seen him with an AP Royal Oak.
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2023, 09:42:05 AM
He's one I don't think will make it at anything higher than League 1 or 2 at best. Of the current crop, the only ones who I think might break through into the first team are Iroegbunam, Feeney and possibly Raikhy and Ramsey junior. I don't have much hope for the likes of Philogene-Bidace, Chukwuemeka, Brad Young or many of the current U21s. We should get reasonable fees for most of them though.
He's 19. At 19 Archer was playing in the National League. He'll do fine.
Every player that does make it was 19 once.
Not Nineteen Forever - The Courteeners. Any good? I had my fill of Manc indie bands some time ago so never bothered with that lot.
Post by: Risso on February 02, 2023, 09:48:15 AM
Not Nineteen Forever - The Courteeners. Any good? I had my fill of Manc indie bands some time ago so never bothered with that lot.
I can't get on with them. A bit too "professional Manc" for my liking, without really being good enough to back it up.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 02, 2023, 09:49:35 AM
*strokes jazz chops*
Post by: Risso on February 02, 2023, 09:55:28 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 02, 2023, 10:51:04 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2023, 10:56:21 AM
All those who remember the Moores, they won't forget what they've seen. Destruction of men in their prime.Who did the destruction though?
Both looked like they were going to make it.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 02, 2023, 11:05:51 AM
Post by: ian c. on February 02, 2023, 11:12:24 AM
In the Premier League, the average age of the academy youngster who failed to make it was 22. In Aston Villa he was 19.
In inininininin Villa he was nineteen.
N-n-n-n-nineteen
Post by: ian c. on February 02, 2023, 11:14:29 AM
Well I thought it was funny.
It was.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2023, 11:14:48 AM
Well I thought it was funny.Yeh, you are going to have to explain that one to me.
Woosh as the kids say
Post by: Risso on February 02, 2023, 11:17:49 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 02, 2023, 11:35:53 AM
In the Premier League, the average age of the academy youngster who failed to make it was 22. In Aston Villa he was 19.Just for clarity.
Is that the average age to 'not make' through to our first team ?
Post by: Risso on February 02, 2023, 11:41:47 AM
In the Premier League, the average age of the academy youngster who failed to make it was 22. In Aston Villa he was 19.Just for clarity.
Is that the average age to 'not make' through to our first team ?
Sigh. People were mentioning songs that had '19' in them, so in the interests of trying to be vaguely amusing, I changed the lyrics of Paul Hardcastle's '19', a number one in the UK in the 1980s. It's not that funny when you have to explain them.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 02, 2023, 11:43:09 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 02, 2023, 11:45:44 AM
Post by: algy on February 02, 2023, 12:17:11 PM
He was. He failed at 19 though and then went onto make a song about Vietnam.Guess that means Kourtney Hause needs to start dreaming up some rhymes for his rap about the Iraq war ...
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2023, 12:20:36 PM
I thought Paul Hardcastle was a reference to an old player!
Chortle.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 02, 2023, 12:54:12 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 02, 2023, 12:54:31 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on February 02, 2023, 01:59:28 PM
I thought Paul Hardcastle was a reference to an old player!
He was, he was a s-s-s-striker.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 02, 2023, 02:17:56 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2023, 02:21:59 PM
Surely you remember Paul Hardcastle, CL? Apologies if you're like 23 or something.I do now thanks, I hated that song so never listened to the words. Sadly my being 23 has passed sometime ago.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 02, 2023, 02:23:03 PM
Post by: cdward on February 02, 2023, 02:26:39 PM
All those who remember the Moores, they won't forget what they've seen. Destruction of men in their prime.Excellent work.
I can't be the only one that sang those lines in my head then added, De De De De De, De De, De Destruction..
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 02, 2023, 03:15:36 PM
We send these kids out on loan but when they come back, none of them receive a hero's welcome.
Suicide Aston. Suicide Aston.
Post by: Bad English on February 02, 2023, 04:12:47 PM
When Full Metal Jacket came out I was working in Andorra, in a swish complex that had a cinema. I used to watch the films with the projectionist and get pissed up and inhale alternative tobacco products. He would blast this out in the auditorium before each showing of FMJ.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 02, 2023, 04:55:01 PM
I thought Paul Hardcastle was a reference to an old player!
No, the most famous footballing Hardcastle is Michael Hardcastle.
Post by: Drummond on February 02, 2023, 05:10:22 PM
I thought Paul Hardcastle was a reference to an old player!
No, the most famous footballing Hardcastle is Michael Hardcastle.
Nah, Paul Rocastle is the man.
Post by: eamonn on May 20, 2023, 02:47:12 PM
Post by: Smirker on May 20, 2023, 03:59:18 PM
Post by: dave shelley on May 20, 2023, 05:18:01 PM
Do you think he's got a future with us? Seems like he's stalled a bit.
I watched that game and he seemed a lot stronger now and not so easily knocked off the ball. It could work out for him.
Post by: OCD on May 20, 2023, 05:29:23 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on May 20, 2023, 07:11:07 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on July 28, 2023, 08:58:15 AM
Off to Stockport County for a season long loan.
He turned 20 at the beginning of June, so still has time to breakthrough, but his progress appears to have stalled.
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2023, 09:02:05 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on July 28, 2023, 09:04:27 AM
I suppose we're just hoping for a few quid down the line with the contract extension, but this lad's development is disappointing. It's just a commercial exercise now, surely we'll never see him play in the PL?
Post by: manic-road on July 28, 2023, 09:42:21 AM
Post by: Rotterdam on July 28, 2023, 09:55:22 AM
Post by: Gareth on July 28, 2023, 10:27:23 AM
I wouldn’t give up on him yet but he needs a breakthrough loan like Cam had at Preston and it needs to be this loan.
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 28, 2023, 11:25:47 AM
I imagine the new contract is so that he's still worth something in a year or two. Doesn't seem like the lad is progressing much, sadly. Going out on loan to a division lower than last season doesn't really inspire much confidence that he's going to make it.
He has continually regressed as a player since his first loan.
If he has been given a new contract, I can only assume its so we can sell him, but Im not sure how much he will actually be worth when he struggles out on loan again.
Post by: eamonn on July 28, 2023, 11:54:08 AM
I saw a little bit of highlights last season where he showed some skill but talent is obviously only part of the equation and at 20 is taken as a given.
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 28, 2023, 12:06:49 PM
Is it still his size holding him back or is he generally not consistent enough?
I saw a little bit of highlights last season where he showed some skill but talent is obviously only part of the equation and at 20 is taken as a given.
Mostly his size & being bullied off the ball.
Which I think affects his consistency...
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2023, 12:27:18 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 28, 2023, 12:33:29 PM
Post by: Smithy on July 28, 2023, 01:13:28 PM
However, players develop at different rates, and there are plenty that have the raw potential but don't put it all together until their early twenties, so I'm definitely not writing him off yet. He was only 20 last month, so he has plenty of time on his side. At just turned 20 Cam Archer had only had a loan at Solihul Moors. A good first half of the season and he could get recalled and sent somewhere higher.
If the club have given him a new contract, they at least believe he'll have some value in the next year or two, even if it's not as part of our squad. So there's something there, definitely.
Good luck Louie!
Post by: chrisw1 on July 28, 2023, 01:16:02 PM
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2023, 01:47:12 PM
Post by: AV84 on July 28, 2023, 01:50:36 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 28, 2023, 01:53:33 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 28, 2023, 03:06:48 PM
Post by: VillaTim on July 28, 2023, 03:14:08 PM
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2023, 03:29:07 PM
Post by: Gareth on July 28, 2023, 03:40:49 PM
I think we got a bit excited that he came from Barcelona and that we got one up on the Baggies when he left, but other than the League Cup goal, he really hasn't lived up to the hype. I'm much more interested to see how Rory Wilson progresses.
Likewise you have to think how going from Smethwick to Barcelona and the expectation ramped on when he came back to us will have messed with anyone’s head…imagine he had/has some growing up to do.
Def wouldn’t write him off but this is a massive year for him because as you say eyes have already started to switch to Wilson, Kellyman, Young etc…if he doesn’t flourish this year you can see he’ll have to do it all from lower leagues
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2023, 04:23:19 PM
I think we got a bit excited that he came from Barcelona and that we got one up on the Baggies when he left, but other than the League Cup goal, he really hasn't lived up to the hype. I'm much more interested to see how Rory Wilson progresses.
Likewise you have to think how going from Smethwick to Barcelona and the expectation ramped on when he came back to us will have messed with anyone’s head…imagine he had/has some growing up to do.
Def wouldn’t write him off but this is a massive year for him because as you say eyes have already started to switch to Wilson, Kellyman, Young etc…if he doesn’t flourish this year you can see he’ll have to do it all from lower leagues
Exactly that. He might not be a bad player but there are younger kids ahead of him in the Villa production line, and that's a difficult position to reverse.
Post by: algy on July 28, 2023, 07:27:22 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 28, 2023, 08:02:50 PM
Think folk have written him off a bit quickly, development-wise he's playing at a higher level than Cam Archer was at the same age. That said, he really needs to start kicking on if he's to make it as a Premier League player.
The problem is, he has regressed in every loan he has had.
Nobody wants him to fail, & Im pretty sure all of us who question him would love to be wrong, its just the signs are not positive...
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2023, 09:51:13 PM
Think folk have written him off a bit quickly, development-wise he's playing at a higher level than Cam Archer was at the same age.
No he isn't. Barry has just turned 20, and is about to play in League 2. When Archer had just turned 20, he was back at Aston Villa, and then went to Preston on loan in the Championship. Archer is still only 21.
Post by: Dogtanian on July 28, 2023, 10:47:57 PM
I think his first loan at Ipswich was ruined because they signed him and then bought a shed load of other players and so he wasn’t used. He went to Swindon and got a goal contribution every two games on minutes played.
Not sure what happened at MK Dons, but they shouldn’t exist anyway, so maybe it was some sort of existential crisis. And then at Salford he was one of their penalty takers in their playoff semi, which suggests they didn’t think he was that bad.
He’s now signed for the team he played against in that semi, so again, he must be doing something right.
It would be nice to see him in a team for a full season so he can settle and get some consistency and form.
Post by: Dogtanian on July 28, 2023, 11:17:19 PM
He did do this for them against the Rams, though;
Post by: Risso on July 29, 2023, 09:58:27 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 29, 2023, 11:11:55 AM
My mate's an MK Dons season ticket holder, and they were a mess all season, especially right at the end where they 4-1 up at Barnsley, and ended up drawing 4-4, a result that helped send them down. I don't know anything about Stockport, but hopefully they're well run and he can have a good season there and gain some confidence. The right team for loans seems to be very important. Aaron Ramsey seems to have thrived at Boro, whereas Iroegbunam had a very hard time at a poor QPR side.
But only after Beale left & he had to deal with managers at the level of Critchley...
With Beale, he was a beast for them.
Post by: Risso on July 29, 2023, 11:58:03 AM
My mate's an MK Dons season ticket holder, and they were a mess all season, especially right at the end where they 4-1 up at Barnsley, and ended up drawing 4-4, a result that helped send them down. I don't know anything about Stockport, but hopefully they're well run and he can have a good season there and gain some confidence. The right team for loans seems to be very important. Aaron Ramsey seems to have thrived at Boro, whereas Iroegbunam had a very hard time at a poor QPR side.
But only after Beale left & he had to deal with managers at the level of Critchley...
With Beale, he was a beast for them.
That was probably only about a dozen games though.
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 29, 2023, 12:05:32 PM
Half a season...
The shit show that happened after he left, didn't help Iroegbunam, but he was still one of their better players.
Although he wasn't amazing when they tried pushing him further forward.
Post by: Risso on July 29, 2023, 12:11:28 PM
22.
Half a season...
The shit show that happened after he left, didn't help Iroegbunam, but he was still one of their better players.
Although he wasn't amazing when they tried pushing him further forward.
That can’t be right, Beale left at the end of November.
Post by: Risso on July 29, 2023, 12:12:28 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 29, 2023, 12:26:55 PM
For some reason, I had him playing all 22 games Beale managed, in my head.
Post by: eamonn on July 29, 2023, 12:50:46 PM
Post by: Dave P on September 09, 2023, 04:39:02 PM
Post by: Clampy on September 09, 2023, 04:45:57 PM
4 in 4 for our Louie at Stockport. Is this finally the loan move to reinvigorate him. Would love this lad to make it.
Let's hope he's found his niche, he's been around a bit. Good to hear a young un doing well.
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 09, 2023, 09:32:00 PM
4 in 4 for our Louie at Stockport. Is this finally the loan move to reinvigorate him. Would love this lad to make it.
Let's hope he's found his niche, he's been around a bit. Good to hear a young un doing well.
An assist as well.
Post by: VillaTim on September 10, 2023, 09:20:49 AM
4 in 4 for our Louie at Stockport. Is this finally the loan move to reinvigorate him. Would love this lad to make it.he'll find his form , look like he's ready for the big stage and we'll sell him for FFP. Seems little point getting excited about any of the academy prospects now
Post by: Gareth on September 10, 2023, 09:33:59 AM
4 in 4 for our Louie at Stockport. Is this finally the loan move to reinvigorate him. Would love this lad to make it.he'll find his form , look like he's ready for the big stage and we'll sell him for FFP. Seems little point getting excited about any of the academy prospects now
That’s massively the glass half empty view…Grealish & J Ramsey made it, Chukwuemeka was sold but will make it, Archer & A Ramsey will be back if they make it to required standard.
Barry is raw, a good 6 months at Stockport and he’ll be back to spend 2nd half higher up ladder…he ain’t going league two strugglers to the Premier League.
Post by: Ian. on September 10, 2023, 10:44:08 AM
4 in 4 for our Louie at Stockport. Is this finally the loan move to reinvigorate him. Would love this lad to make it.he'll find his form , look like he's ready for the big stage and we'll sell him for FFP. Seems little point getting excited about any of the academy prospects now
That’s massively the glass half empty view…Grealish & J Ramsey made it, Chukwuemeka was sold but will make it, Archer & A Ramsey will be back if they make it to required standard.
Barry is raw, a good 6 months at Stockport and he’ll be back to spend 2nd half higher up ladder…he ain’t going league two strugglers to the Premier League.
Also what we have found is a way to survive in this league with finances being checked and reviewed. It will allow us to finance other future purchases hopefully as exciting and as good as Diably. I’m still hoping the likes of Ramsey and Archer may return but if they do not it might be because they have found their level and not ours.
Post by: algy on September 10, 2023, 01:05:09 PM
All the same, with Barry - I’m not expecting him to break through now. He’ll be sold on to fund putting more meat in the grinder.
Post by: VillaTim on September 10, 2023, 01:40:11 PM
Post by: darren woolley on September 10, 2023, 05:29:55 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 10, 2023, 06:50:03 PM
problem is we let Archer go and replaced him with Dhuran who looks like a moody competition winner when he comes on. Bollock dropped on this one
What nonsense.
Duran joined way before Archer left, and has managed to score twice already this season.
And to cover our arses, if the Blessed Cameron does well, we can get him back.
I do think that archer is talked up here really because one of us knows him.
All this bleating about him going but three managers haven’t fancied him now
Maybe, maybe he’s just not good enough?
for all we know it might have been him telling the manager he wanted to move to get minutes, minutes we couldn’t promise him.
We now get to see what he can do elsewhere rather than him getting the odd minute here and there and otherwise sitting on our bench as he turns 23.
Post by: Villan For Life on September 10, 2023, 07:18:15 PM
problem is we let Archer go and replaced him with Dhuran who looks like a moody competition winner when he comes on. Bollock dropped on this one
What nonsense.
Duran joined way before Archer left, and has managed to score twice already this season.
And to cover our arses, if the Blessed Cameron does well, we can get him back.
I do think that archer is talked up here really because one of us knows him.
All this bleating about him going but three managers haven’t fancied him now
Maybe, maybe he’s just not good enough?
for all we know it might have been him telling the manager he wanted to move to get minutes, minutes we couldn’t promise him.
We now get to see what he can do elsewhere rather than him getting the odd minute here and there and otherwise sitting on our bench as he turns 23.
What he said
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 10, 2023, 07:48:08 PM
problem is we let Archer go and replaced him with Dhuran who looks like a moody competition winner when he comes on. Bollock dropped on this one
What nonsense.
Duran joined way before Archer left, and has managed to score twice already this season.
And to cover our arses, if the Blessed Cameron does well, we can get him back.
I do think that archer is talked up here really because one of us knows him.
All this bleating about him going but three managers haven’t fancied him now
Maybe, maybe he’s just not good enough?
for all we know it might have been him telling the manager he wanted to move to get minutes, minutes we couldn’t promise him.
We now get to see what he can do elsewhere rather than him getting the odd minute here and there and otherwise sitting on our bench as he turns 23.
What he said
Yep Paulie nailed it.
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 10, 2023, 08:13:18 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 10, 2023, 08:25:15 PM
Post by: Dave P on September 10, 2023, 08:49:01 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 10, 2023, 08:57:06 PM
problem is we let Archer go and replaced him with Dhuran who looks like a moody competition winner when he comes on. Bollock dropped on this one
What nonsense.
Duran joined way before Archer left, and has managed to score twice already this season.
And to cover our arses, if the Blessed Cameron does well, we can get him back.
I do think that archer is talked up here really because one of us knows him.
All this bleating about him going but three managers haven’t fancied him now
Maybe, maybe he’s just not good enough?
for all we know it might have been him telling the manager he wanted to move to get minutes, minutes we couldn’t promise him.
We now get to see what he can do elsewhere rather than him getting the odd minute here and there and otherwise sitting on our bench as he turns 23.
Absolutely spot on. Also the number of people writing off Duran is just nuts - I can’t help but think for some it’s more about sadness/bitterness about Archer.
Post by: Gareth on September 10, 2023, 08:57:29 PM
I like Archer because he looks like a natural finisher, and that is pretty rare.
I agree though Ings was also a natural finisher but needed to do more…I expect Can to score goals at Sheff U but intrigued to see how rest of his game develops… there will be games they can’t pair him with mcburbie and those are the games to watch as Ollie needs competition who can do the same job he does.
Post by: OCD on September 10, 2023, 09:01:34 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 10, 2023, 09:24:26 PM
What nonsenseproblem is we let Archer go and replaced him with Dhuran who looks like a moody competition winner when he comes on. Bollock dropped on this one
What nonsense.
Duran joined way before Archer left, and has managed to score twice already this season.
And to cover our arses, if the Blessed Cameron does well, we can get him back.
I do think that archer is talked up here really because one of us knows him.
All this bleating about him going but three managers haven’t fancied him now
Maybe, maybe he’s just not good enough?
for all we know it might have been him telling the manager he wanted to move to get minutes, minutes we couldn’t promise him.
We now get to see what he can do elsewhere rather than him getting the odd minute here and there and otherwise sitting on our bench as he turns 23.
I don't rate archer because someone on here knows him, I rate him as it's clear he's better than Dhuran.
Let's see the comparative goal tallies as this plays out.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 10, 2023, 10:16:18 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 10, 2023, 10:28:43 PM
This isn’t about Cam, I hope he goes onto be brilliant and ends up back with us and scores loads. But the weird writing off of Duran, and overlaying it with Cam leaving - for £18m - is just daft.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 10, 2023, 10:33:08 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 10, 2023, 10:38:53 PM
Post by: john2710 on September 10, 2023, 11:07:44 PM
Archer hasn't, yet, shown that he can play that role. Over the coming season we should find out.
Emery, having watched them all, obviously thinks Duran, as raw as he is, can currently play that central striker more so than Archer.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 10, 2023, 11:52:31 PM
What nonsenseproblem is we let Archer go and replaced him with Dhuran who looks like a moody competition winner when he comes on. Bollock dropped on this one
What nonsense.
Duran joined way before Archer left, and has managed to score twice already this season.
And to cover our arses, if the Blessed Cameron does well, we can get him back.
I do think that archer is talked up here really because one of us knows him.
All this bleating about him going but three managers haven’t fancied him now
Maybe, maybe he’s just not good enough?
for all we know it might have been him telling the manager he wanted to move to get minutes, minutes we couldn’t promise him.
We now get to see what he can do elsewhere rather than him getting the odd minute here and there and otherwise sitting on our bench as he turns 23.
I don't rate archer because someone on here knows him, I rate him as it's clear he's better than Dhuran.
Let's see the comparative goal tallies as this plays out.
Let's look at the comparative goal tallies now, why not?
Given the one is the saintly home product and the other is the moody competition winner who has had way less game time. Surely that should be clear?
The highly trained people who run the club, who train with these guys every day, have decided it's the best move to shift Archer on with a buy back clause and see what he does.
On the basis of what I've seen, and what they're saying, I reckon that is the right way to go.
We got almost £20m for him, with a buy back clause.
How is that a 'bollock dropped' rather than a fucking masterstroke?
At some point he has to show he can do it regularly at this level. He's not going to get the chance with us, is he? Really?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 10, 2023, 11:55:15 PM
The age difference between is nearly bang on 2 years, Archer 9/12/01 vs JD 13/12/03. And yet people don't seem to compare the Archer of 2 years ago with Duran now which is a more accurate comparison. They compare a 21 year old with a 19 year old, and write off the 19 year old who is far better at 19 than Archer was.
Whilst doing it having moved halfway across the globe from his home, to a club where he's working in a foreign language, with all the challenges that brings rather than being at the club 2 miles down the road from home where you've been since you were six.
I hope Archer proves he can do it at Sheffield United and we buy him back and he scores sacks full of goals for us, but there has got to be some evidence for him to be able to do this.
Right now, Sheffield United have effectively played a fucking big bet with us that we'll turn out to be wrong.
Post by: eamonn on September 11, 2023, 12:13:37 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 11, 2023, 12:36:09 AM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 11, 2023, 12:47:35 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 11, 2023, 07:11:00 AM
I like Archer because he looks like a natural finisher, and that is pretty rare.
I agree though Ings was also a natural finisher but needed to do more…I expect Can to score goals at Sheff U but intrigued to see how rest of his game develops… there will be games they can’t pair him with mcburbie and those are the games to watch as Ollie needs competition who can do the same job he does.
I agree. Based on finishing alone I’d say Archer is already at the level we need him to be. It’s the rest of his game that Emery will be hoping improves whilst at Sheffield Utd. As Ings discovered players need to be complete players nowadays otherwise you’re more likely to be a super sub than a starter.
Post by: LeeB on September 11, 2023, 07:57:23 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 11, 2023, 09:54:50 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 11, 2023, 10:24:21 AM
I don't get the 'moody competition winner' comment either, he's one of the most visibly enthusiastic players I've ever seen.Agree.
No need for that statement.
Post by: pablo_picasso on September 11, 2023, 10:36:52 AM
The problem for Archer & to a lesser extent Barry is that most teams don't play with 2 forwards. Whilst they may be goalscorers, to play as the central striker in almost every top team you need much more to your game than being able to finish.
Archer hasn't, yet, shown that he can play that role. Over the coming season we should find out.
Emery, having watched them all, obviously thinks Duran, as raw as he is, can currently play that central striker more so than Archer.
Louie Barry has been mostly playing out on the wide left forward role for the majority of his loans...
Archer last year played in spells all cross the front line, including the left sided attacking midfielder role.
Granted, he was better when played up top with Akpom sitting deeper behind him feeding through balls for him to run onto.
Post by: Gareth on September 11, 2023, 10:52:31 AM
I'm hoping this move is the one that enables Barry to flourish. He needs to kick on soon if he wants a career with us, otherwise he'll still net a few quid. To think we were wondering why we'd fork out £1m for him, when you see the prices young players are going for now, it seems we got a good deal.
Absolutely, he needs to fire at Stockport till Christmas and then be at League One challenger or Championship side till end of season
Post by: OCD on September 11, 2023, 11:17:23 AM
Post by: AV82EC on September 11, 2023, 11:19:16 AM
If he continues in this form for Stockport until Christmas, moving him to another club would be a big decision for the club and the lad to make.
It’s the only way we’ll know what his level/potential is though and I’d venture absolutely standard practice for the club.
Post by: Gareth on September 11, 2023, 11:56:15 AM
If he continues in this form for Stockport until Christmas, moving him to another club would be a big decision for the club and the lad to make.
Not really, if he continues how he is it’s a no brainer to bring him back and send him higher up the leagues, preferably to a club who is in a position to spend 2nd half of season challenging for a promotion.
It’s all about developing the player, if Stockport get a few results out of having him that’s good but we won’t leave him there if he can go higher.
This is his first loan looking good…long may it continue
Post by: pablo_picasso on September 11, 2023, 12:02:07 PM
If he continues in this form for Stockport until Christmas, moving him to another club would be a big decision for the club and the lad to make.
Not really, if he continues how he is it’s a no brainer to bring him back and send him higher up the leagues, preferably to a club who is in a position to spend 2nd half of season challenging for a promotion.
It’s all about developing the player, if Stockport get a few results out of having him that’s good but we won’t leave him there if he can go higher.
This is his first loan looking good…long may it continue
Its the exact same way we developed Kesler-Hayden as soon as he showed that he was more than comfortable at that level.
Im actually quite surprised that we didnt do it with Finn Azaz though...
Post by: Dave P on September 11, 2023, 12:36:13 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on September 11, 2023, 12:41:28 PM
Finn Azaz has moved up a level by staying at the same club which is probably the best of both worlds.
Sorry, I should have said after the first successful six month period, similar to Kesler-Hayden & in the way we are mentioning potentially happening with Barry now he has finally found a footing.
Im delighted Azaz is at Plymouth though. As are all of the Argyle fans I know.
I am just surprised that when he was doing so well at Newport, we didn't move him up a level in the first Jan window, but Im sure the club had their reasons why...
Post by: London Villan on September 11, 2023, 01:18:39 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 11, 2023, 01:27:30 PM
Who is this Dhuran bloke being talked about?
I think he's talking about Durhan.
Anyway, i'm with PW on that subject. As for Louie Barry it's not looking likely he'll make it to our first team but he seems a good kid and will still have a decent football career fingers crossed.
Post by: Smithy on September 11, 2023, 01:34:27 PM
Finn Azaz is 23 - seems an odd one why we haven't sold him.
He's one I think is 100% being developed as a commercial asset. There will likely be no plans for him to play a meaningful part in our first team, but he's shown his ability to contribute significantly at lower levels. My guess is the club is just inching him upwards in the leagues (Championship this season), to get him playing as high as they can before they 'cash out'. If he has a season this year even close to the one he did in League One, then he'll be worth a couple of million next summer, easily. If he has a VERY good Championship season, then who knows?
There are players who peak at 19/20 and it's all downhill from there, and there are players who don't do much until their mid-twenties and then flourish. He could be the latter.
Post by: LeeB on September 11, 2023, 01:41:46 PM
Finn Azaz is 23 - seems an odd one why we haven't sold him.
He's one I think is 100% being developed as a commercial asset. There will likely be no plans for him to play a meaningful part in our first team, but he's shown his ability to contribute significantly at lower levels. My guess is the club is just inching him upwards in the leagues (Championship this season), to get him playing as high as they can before they 'cash out'. If he has a season this year even close to the one he did in League One, then he'll be worth a couple of million next summer, easily. If he has a VERY good Championship season, then who knows?
There are players who peak at 19/20 and it's all downhill from there, and there are players who don't do much until their mid-twenties and then flourish. He could be the latter.
I agree with this, and he if does have a very good season at that level then he'll start to interest the lower half of the Premier League teams which is a huge difference in terms of potential fees.
Post by: Ger Regan on September 11, 2023, 02:28:56 PM
Post by: placeforparks on September 11, 2023, 03:02:33 PM
his celebrations after his goal and assist in front of the wimbledon fans on saturday very much reminded me of jamie vardy.
Post by: eamonn on September 11, 2023, 03:36:20 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 11, 2023, 03:52:01 PM
Also, wasn't he close to 20 when we signed him originally? Not exactly a like for like comparison with other youth players
Yeah he wasn’t really our youth product.
See also Tim Iroegbunam. Although he was younger.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 11, 2023, 03:55:32 PM
going back to louie barry...
his celebrations after his goal and assist in front of the wimbledon fans on saturday very much reminded me of jamie vardy.
Klopp referred to him as ‘Little Jamie Vardy’ after that covid cup tie.
Post by: VillaTim on September 11, 2023, 04:36:21 PM
going back to louie barry...maybe he's Steptoe's son
his celebrations after his goal and assist in front of the wimbledon fans on saturday very much reminded me of jamie vardy.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 11, 2023, 04:37:20 PM
Just going off the subject slightly again !
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 11, 2023, 04:40:12 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 11, 2023, 06:00:01 PM
This is good chat but risks being lost or at least harder to find for when Azaz is finally sold for a fat Christmas turkey and a bottle of scotch to Walsall.
Post by: LeeB on September 11, 2023, 06:52:16 PM
I’ve no authority to make this request, but when discussing loans generally, can we use he other thread?
This is good chat but risks being lost or at least harder to find for when Azaz is finally sold for a fat Christmas turkey and a bottle of scotch to Walsall.
The turkey and scotch are classed as homegrown so are therefore FFP gold dust and can amortised over 5 years.
Post by: rooboy316 on September 12, 2023, 05:03:39 AM
Post by: Smirker on August 24, 2024, 11:41:52 PM
Anyone reckon he could have a future with us? Still only 21...
Post by: dcdavecollett on August 25, 2024, 12:43:23 AM
Haven't seen today's yet. Was it anywhere near as good as his previous two?
Post by: Dave on August 25, 2024, 09:07:58 AM
Pretty agricultural stuff, but the finish was excellent.
Post by: KNVillan on August 25, 2024, 10:32:19 AM
Here is his goal from yesterday
https://x.com/Trentvilla1/status/1827321038968893926
Post by: AV84 on August 25, 2024, 11:05:54 PM
Post by: Smithy on September 14, 2024, 08:54:39 AM
Post by: Mister E on September 14, 2024, 09:52:22 AM
Louie has been named League One Player of the month for August. He's flying at the moment!He is and my Stockport County supporting acquaintance loves the guy.
All three goals this season show up the standard he's playing in: the oppo give him far too much time on the ball to load up and fire the shot. But at 21, he will have a future: not with us, I suspect.
Post by: OCD on September 14, 2024, 03:09:31 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 14, 2024, 05:15:12 PM
He's scored again. 5 in 6.
Id love if he scored past blose. Seems too good for league one
Post by: KNVillan on September 15, 2024, 08:15:51 AM
https://x.com/SkyBetLeagueOne/status/1834999325279371319?t=1AaBCKk2WD5Y6kkIhBTuaw&s=19
Post by: AV84 on September 15, 2024, 08:21:47 AM
Post by: LeeB on September 15, 2024, 09:09:04 AM
He's scored several great goals this season, but the defending looks non existent for a lot of them. Hard to know where his level is. I'm surprised he's not at a Championship side this season, although I know he was injured for a spell last year.
I think he's making it look like that as he's way too good for that level.
Post by: AV82EC on September 15, 2024, 09:10:24 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 15, 2024, 11:27:11 AM
Louie Barry's goal yesterday
https://x.com/SkyBetLeagueOne/status/1834999325279371319?t=1AaBCKk2WD5Y6kkIhBTuaw&s=19
I'm glad he picked out the striker specifically for that goal. Totally pulled out the defender from the middle but a lot of lesser players might have tried to take it on still rather then dummying.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 15, 2024, 11:31:13 AM
Post by: KNVillan on September 30, 2024, 09:09:56 AM
https://x.com/SkyFootball/status/1840129245751734716?t=g4WxdQo4UOZKaintD76IBg&s=19
Post by: Somniloquism on September 30, 2024, 09:37:12 AM
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Post by: SaddVillan on September 30, 2024, 05:36:23 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 30, 2024, 05:37:29 PM
Be more than happy for a crap game on Wednesday with Ollie scoring the winner with a deflected shit.
I'm pretty sure that's a booking.
Post by: SaddVillan on September 30, 2024, 06:02:04 PM
Be more than happy for a crap game on Wednesday with Ollie scoring the winner with a deflected shit.
I'm pretty sure that's a booking.
Oops.
Original post modified.
Post by: Olneythelonely on September 30, 2024, 06:16:00 PM
Be more than happy for a crap game on Wednesday with Ollie scoring the winner with a deflected shit.
I'm pretty sure that's a booking.
Not if Stuart Attwell is the ref.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 30, 2024, 07:10:20 PM
Be more than happy for a crap game on Wednesday with Ollie scoring the winner with a deflected shit.
I'm pretty sure that's a booking.
Not if Stuart Attwell is the ref.
Applause.
Post by: Dogtanian on September 30, 2024, 09:39:45 PM
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Post by: ChicagoLion on October 01, 2024, 09:45:42 AM
Video Anus Referee.VARSE.
Post by: maidstonevillain on October 19, 2024, 04:10:09 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on October 19, 2024, 04:14:02 PM
Post by: Dick Edwards on October 19, 2024, 05:09:17 PM
Id love it if he scored winner against bloseI’m sure he’d love it too.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 22, 2024, 09:28:14 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on November 15, 2024, 03:50:04 PM
From Maupay to Doak: how Premier League players are faring on loan
We assess 10 players who made temporary summer moves, including an unusually small goalkeeper who is thriving
Louie Barry (Aston Villa to Stockport)
Stockport took a chance on the former Barcelona youngster last season after he had some disappointing loans and he lit up the fourth tier with his speed and direct style, helping ignite the promotion charge before injury forced him out for a lengthy period. Amid interest from the Championship club Swansea, Stockport lured him back and the natural finisher has continued to blossom. It speaks volumes about Barry that he picked the team where he would best develop, rather than moving to a higher division for the sake of it. Stockport are in the playoff positions as they prepare to face their rivals Wrexham on Saturday, mainly thanks to Barry, who has 10 goals in 15 games.
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Post by: eye digress on November 17, 2024, 10:07:58 AM
Quote from: The Graun
“If you were ever going to pick a Louie Barry goal, it would look like that,” the Stockport manager, Dave Challinor, said. “Now whether he’s an asset for Aston Villa or a sellout asset, they still want to maximise that as best as possible, and I suppose with everything within this, we hope that he stays fit for the full season and can get his gold tally up above 20 and if that happens then I think it’s a win-win for all parties.”
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Post by: LeeB on November 18, 2024, 11:11:00 AM
I get Callum O'Hare vibes from him. He'll be a legend at a Championship club but possibly not good enough higher up. And I write as someone who's never seen him play, so you can take that to the bank.
I think he can play at the top level, he has the technique. You don't see players at that level finishing like he does very often, it's been a question of fitness and getting big enough to cope with physicality.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 18, 2024, 04:21:00 PM
I thought that about Archer.I get Callum O'Hare vibes from him. He'll be a legend at a Championship club but possibly not good enough higher up. And I write as someone who's never seen him play, so you can take that to the bank.
I think he can play at the top level, he has the technique. You don't see players at that level finishing like he does very often, it's been a question of fitness and getting big enough to cope with physicality.
Post by: LeeB on November 18, 2024, 04:41:58 PM
I thought that about Archer.I get Callum O'Hare vibes from him. He'll be a legend at a Championship club but possibly not good enough higher up. And I write as someone who's never seen him play, so you can take that to the bank.
I think he can play at the top level, he has the technique. You don't see players at that level finishing like he does very often, it's been a question of fitness and getting big enough to cope with physicality.
Well last time I looked you were right.
Post by: UK Redsox on November 18, 2024, 09:13:30 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 18, 2024, 10:01:01 PM
Sarfamton, top level?nahI thought that about Archer.I get Callum O'Hare vibes from him. He'll be a legend at a Championship club but possibly not good enough higher up. And I write as someone who's never seen him play, so you can take that to the bank.
I think he can play at the top level, he has the technique. You don't see players at that level finishing like he does very often, it's been a question of fitness and getting big enough to cope with physicality.
Well last time I looked you were right.
Post by: dekko on November 18, 2024, 10:56:38 PM
Having watched bits of a few Stockport games this season, Louie doesn’t stand out as being significantly smaller than other players any more
He's bulked up considerably compared to a couple of years ago
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 19, 2024, 01:22:49 AM
The comparison I make is that Louie looks right at the top of his game with his finishing, running and crossing, whereas Leon and Philogene both look like players whose confidence is shot.
Post by: Reuben on November 21, 2024, 04:18:13 PM
He is great isn't he... Going to Stockport v Exeter in a few weeks... hoping to see him in action!
Post by: Reuben on November 21, 2024, 04:22:18 PM
https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/louie-barry-stockport-barcelona-english-prodigy-3390259
He is great isn't he... Going to Stockport v Exeter in a few weeks... hoping to see him in action!
If a popup pay thingy covers it - just refresh and stop it loading. It's over 2,000 words so don't think I'd be thanked for copying and pasting it on here!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 21, 2024, 08:22:12 PM
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Post by: Steve67 on November 21, 2024, 09:42:14 PM
I hope we recall him and give him a chance.
I agree Paulie, he's the one player that I would really like to see succeed under Emery at Villa. Looks a fantastic talent.
Post by: eamonn on November 22, 2024, 01:41:57 AM
Post by: Ian. on November 22, 2024, 08:01:02 AM
I hope we recall him and give him a chance.
I agree Paulie, he's the one player that I would really like to see succeed under Emery at Villa. Looks a fantastic talent.
I agree, he looks very talented. Can we recall him in January?
Post by: eye digress on November 22, 2024, 08:24:02 AM
I agree, he looks very talented. Can we recall him in January?Sounded like it from Challinor's comment above.
Although I would hope we would be feeling more bullish in January than turning to Barry. Got a look of fool's gold to it.
Post by: Olneythelonely on November 22, 2024, 08:46:03 AM
Post by: AV82EC on November 22, 2024, 08:49:34 AM
I think if we recalled him in January, it’ll be to sell him.
Nah, if we had that as a plan the next step is into the Championship to assess his capability which will increase his value further if he succeeds.
My view is we will want to see him at a higher level and then assess him like others in next pre season.
Post by: Olneythelonely on November 22, 2024, 08:50:54 AM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 22, 2024, 08:57:00 AM
https://www.caughtoffside.com/2024/11/21/leicester-aston-villa-louie-barry/
Post by: maidstonevillain on November 23, 2024, 03:55:21 PM
Also puts Stockport above B,ham. Although a few games in hand.
Post by: Somniloquism on November 23, 2024, 04:13:16 PM
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Post by: eye digress on November 23, 2024, 06:07:13 PM
That being said, every game that goes by in this insipid run while Barry is sticking the ball in the net for fun, you do wonder...I agree, he looks very talented. Can we recall him in January?Sounded like it from Challinor's comment above.
Although I would hope we would be feeling more bullish in January than turning to Barry. Got a look of fool's gold to it.
He is on fire!
Post by: Somniloquism on November 24, 2024, 12:35:31 AM
That being said, every game that goes by in this insipid run while Barry is sticking the ball in the net for fun in a division two below what we are playing in, you do wonder...I agree, he looks very talented. Can we recall him in January?Sounded like it from Challinor's comment above.
Although I would hope we would be feeling more bullish in January than turning to Barry. Got a look of fool's gold to it.
He is on fire!
FTFY
Post by: eye digress on November 24, 2024, 07:26:39 AM
Fairynuff!That being said, every game that goes by in this insipid run while Barry is sticking the ball in the net for fun in a division two below what we are playing in, you do wonder...I agree, he looks very talented. Can we recall him in January?Sounded like it from Challinor's comment above.
Although I would hope we would be feeling more bullish in January than turning to Barry. Got a look of fool's gold to it.
He is on fire!
FTFY
Post by: eye digress on November 24, 2024, 07:28:22 AM
Got 2 in the end.Two and a half… first goal was all him too, showed good pace, I thought.
Post by: maidstonevillain on November 24, 2024, 09:55:27 AM
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Post by: Mister E on November 24, 2024, 02:59:22 PM
Think he's being used as a wide forward which gives him a chance of being involved with us at some stage, if he goes through the levels.He's now got some physique to him. He's still pretty quick on the left and seems to have tricky feet. He does look like a player of some promise.
If we continue to have injury challenges, he may become a useful playing asset.
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 24, 2024, 10:34:58 PM
Post by: eamonn on November 24, 2024, 11:59:59 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 25, 2024, 02:01:31 AM
I think Louie might just have something special about him.
Post by: Olneythelonely on November 25, 2024, 08:18:58 AM
Obviously I hope he becomes a superstar, with us.
Post by: London Villan on November 25, 2024, 08:50:01 AM
Post by: Risso on November 25, 2024, 09:04:28 AM
I’m not saying he isn’t, I’ve not seen him play enough, but are special players often playing League 1 football at 21?
Obviously I hope he becomes a superstar, with us.
Ollie Watkins was a League 2 player at that age.
Post by: Olneythelonely on November 25, 2024, 09:36:38 AM
I’m not saying he isn’t, I’ve not seen him play enough, but are special players often playing League 1 football at 21?
Obviously I hope he becomes a superstar, with us.
Ollie Watkins was a League 2 player at that age.
Of course there are exceptions, my question was whether it’s often the case.
Also Watkins is useless and can’t control or finish, so probably should still be in League 2.
Post by: Risso on November 25, 2024, 10:09:09 AM
Post by: Mister E on November 25, 2024, 10:39:01 AM
Leaving aside the Watkins comment, Barry has had a couple of long-term injuries as well as loans to Swindon and Ipswich where he wasn't playing enough (probably because of his slight build). At 21 he now has the physique to compete much better.Of course there are exceptions, my question was whether it’s often the case.I’m not saying he isn’t, I’ve not seen him play enough, but are special players often playing League 1 football at 21?Ollie Watkins was a League 2 player at that age.
Obviously I hope he becomes a superstar, with us.
Also Watkins is useless and can’t control or finish, so probably should still be in League 2.
Post by: Olneythelonely on November 25, 2024, 10:43:19 AM
iGNORING THE SNIDINESS OF THE wATKINS COMMNET,Of course there are exceptions, my question was whether it’s often the case.I’m not saying he isn’t, I’ve not seen him play enough, but are special players often playing League 1 football at 21?Ollie Watkins was a League 2 player at that age.
Obviously I hope he becomes a superstar, with us.
Also Watkins is useless and can’t control or finish, so probably should still be in League 2.
I hope you understood that my comment was about other people’s views of Watkins, not mine. I’m a paid up member of his fan club.
Post by: Olneythelonely on November 25, 2024, 10:45:17 AM
I think the thing with Barry is that he had appeared to have the skill but lacked the physical attributes. If he's now bulked up a bit it could be a good sign. But you're probably right, the chances of him making it with us aren't great, but at least if he is tearing it up in a lower league then there's a conversation to be had at some point.
No, I completely agree. I just think that it’s far more likely that we sell him for £10-15m than it is him playing for us. However, it’s hard to imagine him having less of an impact than Philogene.
Post by: Mister E on November 25, 2024, 10:49:13 AM
I'm glad you are. I find myself defending Watkins amongst a few Villa supporters - I did correct my original post (clicked 'send' early as well!) - and didn't mean to come across as snidey myself!! Obviously that didn't work well, so apologies for my tone.iGNORING THE SNIDINESS OF THE wATKINS COMMNET,Of course there are exceptions, my question was whether it’s often the case.I’m not saying he isn’t, I’ve not seen him play enough, but are special players often playing League 1 football at 21?Ollie Watkins was a League 2 player at that age.
Obviously I hope he becomes a superstar, with us.
Also Watkins is useless and can’t control or finish, so probably should still be in League 2.
I hope you understood that my comment was about other people’s views of Watkins, not mine. I’m a paid up member of his fan club.
Back to Barry: I have a Stockport-supporting mate who has the highest praise for our Louie and it's intriguing to see what Villa will do with him. My view is that we are currently light on our left side (with JJ still struggling with injuries) and he might be worth trying as a breath of fresh air for the squad, but it is a big leap in standard.
Post by: LeeB on November 25, 2024, 10:50:05 AM
Leaving aside the Watkins comment, Barry has had a couple of long-term injuries as well as loans to Swindon and Ipswich where he wasn't playing enough (probably because of his slight build). At 21 he now has the physique to compete much better.Of course there are exceptions, my question was whether it’s often the case.I’m not saying he isn’t, I’ve not seen him play enough, but are special players often playing League 1 football at 21?Ollie Watkins was a League 2 player at that age.
Obviously I hope he becomes a superstar, with us.
Also Watkins is useless and can’t control or finish, so probably should still be in League 2.
The injuries and his natural slight build have hampered him until now, but he has a higher ceiling technically than most and certainly anyone in the division he's currently playing in.
That's the thing with him, he's not just some young hopeful on a good run, he's an exceptional talent that is now proving he can cope physically. Given the lack of options and room to spend I'd be getting him back in January and getting him involved, there's nothing to lose in doing so, same goes for Kessler-Hayden, they both operate in areas where we're sorely lacking in options and it costs us fuck all.
Post by: Somniloquism on November 25, 2024, 10:58:15 AM
2021-22
23 goals and 4 assists in 46
2022-23
20 goals and 3 assists in 39
2023-24
23 goals and 1 assist in 43.
Barry currently has 13 goals and 1 assist in 17 so could easily hit 30 goals on current form if he stays there for the season. So it does show he is just too good for that division. Whether it means he can do it in the prem still is the question.
Post by: OCD on November 25, 2024, 11:04:59 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 25, 2024, 11:25:46 AM
Worrying comment on the EFL highlights programme re us considering a £12 my bid for Louie in Jan. I hope not.
I think we have to be realistic.
The most important thing is he keeps on playing and developing rather than warming the bench.
Jaden was doing some of the stuff he's doing at a higher level last season and he's found the step up very difficult indeed so far.
And of course it would be a PSR sale so if someone is genuinely going to bid 10m + next month we will accept it I'm sure.
If he comes back here he's still got to get past Ramsey and Rogers in the set up.
Post by: Risso on November 25, 2024, 11:27:55 AM
Worrying comment on the EFL highlights programme re us considering a £12 my bid for Louie in Jan. I hope not.
I think we have to be realistic.
The most important thing is he keeps on playing and developing rather than warming the bench.
Jaden was doing some of the stuff he's doing at a higher level last season and he's found the step up very difficult indeed so far.
And of course it would be a PSR sale so if someone is genuinely going to bid 10m + next month we will accept it I'm sure.
If he comes back here he's still got to get past Ramsey and Rogers in the set up.
At the moment getting past Ramsey isn't going to be difficult. JJ is potentially a top drawer player, but unless he can stay fit he's absolutely no use to us. Same with Kamara.
Post by: LeeB on November 25, 2024, 11:32:28 AM
Worrying comment on the EFL highlights programme re us considering a £12 my bid for Louie in Jan. I hope not.
I think we have to be realistic.
The most important thing is he keeps on playing and developing rather than warming the bench.
Jaden was doing some of the stuff he's doing at a higher level last season and he's found the step up very difficult indeed so far.
And of course it would be a PSR sale so if someone is genuinely going to bid 10m + next month we will accept it I'm sure.
If he comes back here he's still got to get past Ramsey and Rogers in the set up.
At the moment getting past Ramsey isn't going to be difficult. JJ is potentially a top drawer player, but unless he can stay fit he's absolutely no use to us. Same with Kamara.
Like I said earlier he (and Kessler-Hayden) would get time because we're short in the roles they play through either fitness, form or suitability.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 25, 2024, 11:36:26 AM
Worrying comment on the EFL highlights programme re us considering a £12 my bid for Louie in Jan. I hope not.
I think we have to be realistic.
The most important thing is he keeps on playing and developing rather than warming the bench.
Jaden was doing some of the stuff he's doing at a higher level last season and he's found the step up very difficult indeed so far.
And of course it would be a PSR sale so if someone is genuinely going to bid 10m + next month we will accept it I'm sure.
If he comes back here he's still got to get past Ramsey and Rogers in the set up.
At the moment getting past Ramsey isn't going to be difficult. JJ is potentially a top drawer player, but unless he can stay fit he's absolutely no use to us. Same with Kamara.
I thought Ramsey was great at Liverpool and also decent at Fulham so I do think he's getting back to his 22/23 level. The injuries are very frustrating however to stop any momentum he builds.
However he is proven at prem level whereas Barry isn't.
I wasn't actually aware there was a huge clamour to recall him and throw him straight back into the team as up to the last few months the only level he'd proven himself at was league 2.
I still think it's far more likely we sell him as we've seen SHA buy Stansfield in that league for 10m + and Louie is outperforming him at this point so will be a similar fee based on his age.
Maybe we'll put a buyback in case he rips it up in the championship in the near future.
Post by: Risso on November 25, 2024, 11:40:30 AM
Post by: Drummond on November 25, 2024, 11:55:20 AM
I wouldn't be recalling him, I'd leave him to develop nicely there, with the added bonus he might stop SHA going up. Then send him to a decent sized Championship side next season, and see how he gets on at someone like Boro/Derby/Sheff U or similar.
Yep, agree with this.
Post by: eamonn on November 25, 2024, 11:59:28 AM
Post by: Risso on November 25, 2024, 12:04:31 PM
Could we not save time by switching him from Stockport to a Ch'ship club in January for the second half of the season?
Seems a bit harsh on Stockport and the lad himself.
Post by: Somniloquism on November 25, 2024, 12:06:31 PM
Could we not save time by switching him from Stockport to a Ch'ship club in January for the second half of the season?
He wanted to go to Stockport rather then higher up and the club respected his decision, which to me shows he wasn't in many of our plans going forward at the time.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 25, 2024, 12:09:14 PM
Post by: AV82EC on November 25, 2024, 01:50:53 PM
Could we not save time by switching him from Stockport to a Ch'ship club in January for the second half of the season?
Seems a bit harsh on Stockport and the lad himself.
This is no time for sentiment Risso, we have future needs and we need to see if he can make the step up.
Post by: LeeB on November 25, 2024, 01:55:05 PM
Post by: Mister E on November 25, 2024, 05:30:13 PM
We have immediate needs for someone with searing pace and form.Agree. Whether it's LB or not, we know that Philogene ain't threatening it at the moment and Bailey is flaky.
Post by: Ian. on November 25, 2024, 06:56:34 PM
We have immediate needs for someone with searing pace and form.Most definitely. Last year we had the most in form winger in Bailey and also Diaby, who was inconsistent, however still a threat and chipped in with assists and goals.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 29, 2024, 09:19:25 PM
Could we not save time by switching him from Stockport to a Ch'ship club in January for the second half of the season?
Some reports online that we might do just that. https://x.com/JournoHaff/status/1862539963469869403
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on November 30, 2024, 11:58:14 AM
Post by: eamonn on November 30, 2024, 03:36:17 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on November 30, 2024, 04:26:52 PM
Doesn't look like he's involved in their FA Cup game this afternoon.Said on 5live they've got illness in the camp and he's sick.
Post by: OCD on December 01, 2024, 11:31:48 AM
Post by: Smithy on December 08, 2024, 10:20:48 PM
Nice to see one of our youth products flourishing, even if it is a bit lower than he probably deserves to be.
Post by: eamonn on December 09, 2024, 12:45:53 AM
Post by: OCD on December 09, 2024, 11:15:08 AM
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 12, 2024, 12:51:00 AM
Hopefully, just the standard internet tripe.
Post by: Drummond on December 12, 2024, 01:37:05 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 12, 2024, 01:37:58 AM
Post by: coreyfeldman on December 12, 2024, 12:15:16 PM
It absolutely would not be a good move.
how come?
i don't watch any championship so no idea which teams/managers might suit him
Post by: LeeB on December 12, 2024, 12:16:40 PM
It absolutely would not be a good move.
how come?
i don't watch any championship so no idea which teams/managers might suit him
Presumably as it could actually benefit Leeds, and nobody wants that.
Post by: AV82EC on December 12, 2024, 12:35:43 PM
It absolutely would not be a good move.
how come?
i don't watch any championship so no idea which teams/managers might suit him
Presumably as it could actually benefit Leeds, and nobody wants that.
I get that it’s dirty Leeds but it’s not 2018 anymore so worrying about them seems a bit counterproductive.
Post by: Dave on December 12, 2024, 12:43:24 PM
It absolutely would not be a good move.
how come?
i don't watch any championship so no idea which teams/managers might suit him
Presumably as it could actually benefit Leeds, and nobody wants that.
I get that it’s dirty Leeds but it’s not 2018 anymore so worrying about them seems a bit counterproductive.
We've got a decent record of sending youngsters to Boro and that bumping their value up - let them have him.
Post by: AV84 on December 12, 2024, 01:01:36 PM
If there's actual interest in him from teams at the top of the Championship it's surely a good sign? It's quite a step up from where he is at the moment.
Post by: Clampy on December 12, 2024, 01:06:18 PM
Post by: simon ward 50 on December 12, 2024, 01:09:32 PM
Shocking rumours that Louie might be going out on loan to Dirty Leeds in January!!
Hopefully, just the standard internet tripe.
I hope this is a shocking rumour only!
Post by: London Villan on December 12, 2024, 01:14:39 PM
Post by: LeeS on December 13, 2024, 06:12:48 AM
Playing at the top of the Championship will double his transfer fee in the summer... easy £20m if he has even a half-decent season there.
I accept that this is the way of the world, but it makes me sad that we think like this.
Post by: frank black on December 13, 2024, 07:03:59 AM
Shocking rumours that Louie might be going out on loan to Dirty Leeds in January!!
Hopefully, just the standard internet tripe.
I hope this is a shocking rumour only!
Sounds like a good move IMO. He needs to prove himself for us to benefit.
Post by: London Villan on December 13, 2024, 08:25:10 AM
Playing at the top of the Championship will double his transfer fee in the summer... easy £20m if he has even a half-decent season there.
I accept that this is the way of the world, but it makes me sad that we think like this.
Another way to look at it is if he is better than what we have he'll stay.
However, I'm sure some of the thinking behind a lot of our transfers and early-season selections is about improving CVs so we can sell them on.
Bogarde
Enzo
Illing Jnr
Barry
There is a £40m profit in those four, if we do choose to sell them in the summer.
Post by: AV84 on December 13, 2024, 10:47:14 AM
Post by: simon ward 50 on December 13, 2024, 10:48:37 AM
Latest from Stockport!
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 20, 2024, 09:23:37 PM
Two proper assists as well, where the goal scorers could hardly miss.
Post by: Tuscans on December 22, 2024, 06:06:55 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 22, 2024, 06:07:31 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 22, 2024, 06:10:14 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on December 22, 2024, 06:15:57 PM
A shame for Stockport, he's become a fans' favourite and really progressed as a player under Dave Challinor.
But having players on loan is double edged - if they do well, they're likely to be recalled, but it they're crap then ... ...
Post by: garyellis on December 22, 2024, 06:16:40 PM
Unless our mighty neighbours have demanded he goes there to help them with their world domination efforts 😂
Post by: VillaTim on December 22, 2024, 06:16:53 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 22, 2024, 06:25:16 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 22, 2024, 06:25:38 PM
There must be a championship club in line to take him on loan
Unless our mighty neighbours have demanded he goes there to help them with their world domination efforts 😂
Thats only thing i can think of
Post by: Somniloquism on December 22, 2024, 06:40:31 PM
That would be a good move. Needs to be someone who aren't ****** but who will play him. Don't want another Dobbin situation, that's a complete waste of a loan spell.
Not really. West Brom are having to pay his wages and he hasn't offered anything to their promotion charge at all. Seems like a win-win. It isn't like we bought him because we wanted him.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 22, 2024, 07:02:52 PM
You know what do do next, Louie.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 22, 2024, 07:03:16 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on December 22, 2024, 07:04:49 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 22, 2024, 07:18:22 PM
Blackburn and Millwall are two sides that look like they would push on with a few more goals up top, neither is that attractive.
Avoid Coventry or Plymouth (shit managers who would be no good for him) or Albion (no explanation required).
Maybe somewhere like Luton, Derby, or Sheff W.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 22, 2024, 07:18:46 PM
This really could have a big impact on their promotion chances
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 22, 2024, 07:19:35 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 22, 2024, 07:21:34 PM
We should be sending another talented youngster to stockport and arrange a friendly with them in the summer as a good will gesture
This really could have a big impact on their promotion chances
Why? We owe them nothing, we've loaned them a player and they're in a much better position than they'd be if we hadn't. If we organise a friendly for every club we loan a player to, we'll be absolutely knackered by August.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 22, 2024, 07:27:39 PM
Dont get it. He is on fire let him stay there. Harsh on Stockport i think
He’s good in that division but we need to see if he can step up and do the same in The Championship. Stockport would have been aware of the pros and cons when doing the deal.
Post by: Gareth on December 22, 2024, 07:30:56 PM
Dont get it. He is on fire let him stay there. Harsh on Stockport i think
Pretty straight forward….he’s our player not Stockports, if he stays there he will not have a huge value as he’s only done it at League 1 level….good few months in Champ (see Archer) can give a good uplift on fee expected.
Alternately, he is a bench option for first team here and gets a few chances at Prem level to see if he can step up.
Post by: olaftab on December 22, 2024, 07:41:13 PM
Dont get it. He is on fire let him stay there. Harsh on Stockport i think
I think this is harsh on StockportNo. They would return him double quick if he had bombed. However I do hope we did it because we have a better plan.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on December 22, 2024, 07:53:06 PM
We should be sending another talented youngster to stockport and arrange a friendly with them in the summer as a good will gesture
This really could have a big impact on their promotion chances
Yeah you've gone too far now
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 22, 2024, 07:53:58 PM
Post by: Smithy on December 22, 2024, 09:24:48 PM
But the reality is, this is a business. And we have an asset that has done very well in League One, which might mean he's worth at least a couple of million come the summer. But if he can repeat anything close to that form in the Championship then we suddenly have an asset that's worth at least ten million.
For context, that's the difference between us being able to pay a new player £150k a week next season, or not. And if him moving to the Championship ultimately means more money for our first team in the summer, then I'm all for it.
Personally speaking, I'd love Louie to thrive in the Championship and maybe even show a performance level that means Unai might have him back amongst our own first-team next season - however, I am also 100% behind the plan to get him playing at a higher level so he's worth even more if we want to cash in next summer as part of our squad building plans.
Post by: Smithy on December 22, 2024, 09:26:29 PM
Boro I reckon .
The last couple of kids we've sent there have ended their respective loans worth comfortably north of £10m, so it would be nice to see Louie do the same!
Post by: Demitri_C on December 22, 2024, 09:28:47 PM
We should be sending another talented youngster to stockport and arrange a friendly with them in the summer as a good will gesture
This really could have a big impact on their promotion chances
Why? We owe them nothing, we've loaned them a player and they're in a much better position than they'd be if we hadn't. If we organise a friendly for every club we loan a player to, we'll be absolutely knackered by August.
Feel that we should be giving smaller clubs in the pyramid like stockport abit of support. Lets show some compassion to these clubs. It wasnt long ago we were in the Championship struggling and almosy went bankrupt so ww know how hard it is in the championship let alone in league one.
We should be sending another talented youngster to stockport and arrange a friendly with them in the summer as a good will gesture
This really could have a big impact on their promotion chances
Yeah you've gone too far now
I havent at all. Show these clubs some compassion.
Post by: AV84 on December 22, 2024, 09:32:29 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 23, 2024, 10:44:57 AM
We should be sending another talented youngster to stockport and arrange a friendly with them in the summer as a good will gesture
This really could have a big impact on their promotion chances
Why? We owe them nothing, we've loaned them a player and they're in a much better position than they'd be if we hadn't. If we organise a friendly for every club we loan a player to, we'll be absolutely knackered by August.
Feel that we should be giving smaller clubs in the pyramid like stockport abit of support. Lets show some compassion to these clubs. It wasnt long ago we were in the Championship struggling and almosy went bankrupt so ww know how hard it is in the championship let alone in league one.We should be sending another talented youngster to stockport and arrange a friendly with them in the summer as a good will gesture
This really could have a big impact on their promotion chances
Yeah you've gone too far now
I havent at all. Show these clubs some compassion.
We don't owe Stockport anything, let alone 'compassion'. If anyone owes anyone else anything, they owe us thanks for the loan of a player who has contributed tons of goals.
It was a business relationship, a transfer mechanism of which everyone knows the rules, the advantages and the drawbacks.
I think we should offer him to Albion, purely for shits and giggles given his back story.
Then we'd at least be able to live with our consciences by helping out another small team who don't have a pot to piss in.
Post by: UK Redsox on December 23, 2024, 11:13:35 AM
"When you take a player on loan, especially from a Premier League club, the reality is you know what you're getting going into," Challinor told BBC Radio Manchester.
Post by: aj2k77 on December 23, 2024, 11:14:24 AM
Then say no.
Post by: eamonn on December 23, 2024, 02:03:16 PM
Post by: Beard82 on December 23, 2024, 02:12:20 PM
Post by: Mister E on December 23, 2024, 02:49:58 PM
Likewise, Barry to Boro might well make sense, given our previous recent dealings with them.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 24, 2024, 12:42:52 AM
I know football is a business and loan deals are what they are, but as a football fan it's hard not to have a bit of sympathy for Stockport.
Post by: eamonn on December 24, 2024, 02:14:29 AM
What's the closest we've ever had, Sexual Healing for Norwich City's Youth team when he wasn't strung-out on snakebite and acid in the late 90s? It needs sorting anyway.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 24, 2024, 02:18:28 AM
Post by: Tuscans on December 24, 2024, 05:30:06 AM
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 24, 2024, 08:43:16 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 24, 2024, 09:04:16 AM
Doesn't Broggio read H&V? He watches VillaOnTour anyway. About time we usurped Villatalk's trumping us for years over a player that used to post on their forum (Joe Lolley).
What's the closest we've ever had, Sexual Healing for Norwich City's Youth team when he wasn't strung-out on snakebite and acid in the late 90s? It needs sorting anyway.
We had Dean Smith. Does that count?
Post by: paul_e on December 24, 2024, 09:18:18 AM
It may be that, after that, a loan to the championship or the bottom of the premier league makes sense but I think it is important to have an element of reward to offer to a player who has gone so far beyond expectations during a loan move.
Post by: SaddVillan on December 24, 2024, 10:47:47 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 24, 2024, 10:54:34 AM
Surely the solution that works for everyone is we take Louie back and send them jack grealishThis is a great idea!
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 24, 2024, 11:49:26 AM
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 24, 2024, 11:50:12 AM
Is there any reason why we can not give him a run out in January before deciding to ship him out?
That’s exactly the plan, according to both those interviews.
Post by: eamonn on December 24, 2024, 12:25:03 PM
Doesn't Broggio read H&V? He watches VillaOnTour anyway. About time we usurped Villatalk's trumping us for years over a player that used to post on their forum (Joe Lolley).
What's the closest we've ever had, Sexual Healing for Norwich City's Youth team when he wasn't strung-out on snakebite and acid in the late 90s? It needs sorting anyway.
We had Dean Smith. Does that count?
I remember you writing that you had given him a lift to a reserves game before or similar which in fairness is hard to beat.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 24, 2024, 12:38:41 PM
Is there any reason why we can not give him a run out in January before deciding to ship him out?
That’s exactly the plan, according to both those interviews.
FA Cup against West Ham? Or is he cup-tied for that.
Post by: Border villan on December 24, 2024, 12:51:07 PM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on December 24, 2024, 01:18:05 PM
They have Palace in the 3rd Round and other than trying to make a few quid, I doubt they will prioritise the cup over trying to get promoted.
A player can be registered for three clubs in a season, but can only play in affiliated matches (league and cup competitions) for two. So, if he comes back in January and plays for us, then there are only two options - stay at the Villa or go back to Stockport to finish the season. UTV
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 24, 2024, 01:20:28 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 24, 2024, 01:20:59 PM
If he turns out for us that is his second team in one season. I think that is the limit.the reason for my question.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 24, 2024, 01:21:43 PM
He hasn't played for Stockport in either of their FA Cup games this season, so he could play for us versus West Ham if he comes back.
There's no "if". He's coming back after his last Stockport game against Small Heath on 1st January.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 24, 2024, 01:23:23 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 24, 2024, 01:24:02 PM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on December 24, 2024, 01:36:28 PM
He is back. If he plays for us in January, there are only two options .... UTV
Post by: Neil Hawkes on December 25, 2024, 08:31:50 AM
Unless Watkins or Durán get injured, I'd rather loan him straight away and play a stronger team in the cup. Waste of time keeping him around for ten minutes before we get knocked out if he can't play for anyone else.
I dunno, from the clips I've seen he reminds me of Vardy in his better years.
Post by: AV84 on December 25, 2024, 11:07:47 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 25, 2024, 07:29:09 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 25, 2024, 07:33:08 PM
Post by: Ian. on December 25, 2024, 07:33:27 PM
Hopefully we’ve learned a big lesson in trying to replace Diaby with Philogene.
Post by: Drummond on December 25, 2024, 11:34:24 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 26, 2024, 01:38:55 AM
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Post by: AV84 on December 26, 2024, 08:05:29 PM
Did he play in the FA Cup?
Think someone said he didn't play for Stockport in the game they played.
Edit - they played 2, and he wasn't in the match day squad for either game.
Post by: Mister E on December 29, 2024, 03:26:42 PM
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 29, 2024, 03:54:01 PM
Will he be able to play against the Shit on 1st Jan?
Yes. They’re excited about it because they think we’ve let him stay an extra few days there so he can turn out against them.
Post by: john2710 on December 29, 2024, 03:57:35 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 29, 2024, 05:21:17 PM
Scored again today.Nice goal too .
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2024, 06:52:33 PM
A player can be registered to 3 teams in a season but can only play for 2. There's no chance he'll play any minutes for us & will be loaned to a Championship side for the rest of the season.I think UE will have a good look at him before we send him away.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 29, 2024, 07:28:04 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2024, 07:40:10 PM
So long as the "good look at him" doesn't involve him playing any actual minutes.Knowing how meticulous Emery is, I would expect that he would want to see if he could help the first team.
Post by: AV84 on December 29, 2024, 11:01:26 PM
If we see him as either a player for the future, or an asset to be sold, then he needs to be playing regularly. It doesn't really make a lot of sense for us to scupper his development in the middle of what has been a fantastic season for him just to give him 10 minutes here and there.
Post by: VillaTim on December 29, 2024, 11:42:37 PM
Post by: Smithy on December 30, 2024, 09:23:13 AM
If he plays for us then he stays for the season, or goes back to Stockport at the end of January. It would seem pretty high risk, I think, to use our first team to see if he can make the step up, or to be able to see it in any meaningful way, which would require more than a brief run out in the FA Cup.
If we see him as either a player for the future, or an asset to be sold, then he needs to be playing regularly. It doesn't really make a lot of sense for us to scupper his development in the middle of what has been a fantastic season for him just to give him 10 minutes here and there.
Yep, the "two clubs per season" rule essentially removes the possibility of him turning out for us in the next few games. If he does, we're his second club this seaaon, and then he can only play for us and Stockport to the end of the season. With Ollie and Duran fit, he's unlikely to get any sort of look-in, so I would be amazed if we see him in our squad for any of the upcoming games.
Far more likely that we see him head out again pretty quickly to someone like boro. Maybe they'll keep him here for a week or so to assess him and his progress before he leaves again - but I don't see him being used by us. Not yet, anyway.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 30, 2024, 09:45:17 AM
If he plays for us then he stays for the season, or goes back to Stockport at the end of January. It would seem pretty high risk, I think, to use our first team to see if he can make the step up, or to be able to see it in any meaningful way, which would require more than a brief run out in the FA Cup.Surely the most important thing is the success of the First Team.
If we see him as either a player for the future, or an asset to be sold, then he needs to be playing regularly. It doesn't really make a lot of sense for us to scupper his development in the middle of what has been a fantastic season for him just to give him 10 minutes here and there.
Post by: Smithy on December 30, 2024, 09:54:19 AM
If he plays for us then he stays for the season, or goes back to Stockport at the end of January. It would seem pretty high risk, I think, to use our first team to see if he can make the step up, or to be able to see it in any meaningful way, which would require more than a brief run out in the FA Cup.Surely the most important thing is the success of the First Team.
If we see him as either a player for the future, or an asset to be sold, then he needs to be playing regularly. It doesn't really make a lot of sense for us to scupper his development in the middle of what has been a fantastic season for him just to give him 10 minutes here and there.
Yes, but what is actually best for the "success of the first team"? Him playing a bit-part for us in the second half of the season, and probably not contributing much at all when Ollie and Duran are both fit and available, or him being in the Championship scoring the goals that increase his value sufficiently that we can afford to buy a slightly better first-team player next summer?
It's a horrible, capitalistic way to look at the beautiful game, but it's the unfortunate reality of the situation. And if Unai doesn't think Louie has a long-term future in our first team (or remains undecided), then giving him a few minutes here and there when we're short of numbers instead of maximising his value with another loan would be very short-sighted.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 30, 2024, 09:57:17 AM
I get that,it’s the certainty that some posters seem to have that he is going on loan although I am pretty sure they have not discussed the situation with Emery.If he plays for us then he stays for the season, or goes back to Stockport at the end of January. It would seem pretty high risk, I think, to use our first team to see if he can make the step up, or to be able to see it in any meaningful way, which would require more than a brief run out in the FA Cup.Surely the most important thing is the success of the First Team.
If we see him as either a player for the future, or an asset to be sold, then he needs to be playing regularly. It doesn't really make a lot of sense for us to scupper his development in the middle of what has been a fantastic season for him just to give him 10 minutes here and there.
Yes, but what is actually best for the "success of the first team"? Him playing a bit-part for us in the second half of the season, and probably not contributing much at all when Ollie and Duran are both fit and available, or him being in the Championship scoring the goals that increase his value sufficiently that we can afford to buy a slightly better first-team player next summer?
It's a horrible, capitalistic way to look at the beautiful game, but it's the unfortunate reality of the situation. And if Unai doesn't think Louie has a long-term future in our first team (or remains undecided), then giving him a few minutes here and there when we're short of numbers instead of maximising his value with another loan would be very short-sighted.
Post by: Smithy on December 30, 2024, 10:08:17 AM
I get that,it’s the certainty that some posters seem to have that he is going on loan although I am pretty sure they have not discussed the situation with Emery.If he plays for us then he stays for the season, or goes back to Stockport at the end of January. It would seem pretty high risk, I think, to use our first team to see if he can make the step up, or to be able to see it in any meaningful way, which would require more than a brief run out in the FA Cup.Surely the most important thing is the success of the First Team.
If we see him as either a player for the future, or an asset to be sold, then he needs to be playing regularly. It doesn't really make a lot of sense for us to scupper his development in the middle of what has been a fantastic season for him just to give him 10 minutes here and there.
Yes, but what is actually best for the "success of the first team"? Him playing a bit-part for us in the second half of the season, and probably not contributing much at all when Ollie and Duran are both fit and available, or him being in the Championship scoring the goals that increase his value sufficiently that we can afford to buy a slightly better first-team player next summer?
It's a horrible, capitalistic way to look at the beautiful game, but it's the unfortunate reality of the situation. And if Unai doesn't think Louie has a long-term future in our first team (or remains undecided), then giving him a few minutes here and there when we're short of numbers instead of maximising his value with another loan would be very short-sighted.
Given the rise of Duran in the first half of the season, and the fact Ollie is already stuggling for minutes, I just don't see how Unai will have looked at Louie's first half of the season (spectacular as it's been) and thought "I'll bring him back and add him to the mix".
Now, it might be he's considering him more as a wide forward and as competition for Bailey/Philogene, because we have limited funds for recruitment in January, but I still think it's most likely that he'll step up a level with a championship loan at a club with playoff ambitions.
Post by: Dave on December 30, 2024, 10:13:05 AM
If he's on the bench against Leicester in Duran's absence then it's probably with us for January, then back to Stockport or hanging around the squad as cover. If he's not, then it's a Championship loan.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 30, 2024, 10:27:58 AM
So we have Ramsey who spends more time in recovery than playing, Philogene has not exactly pulled up any trees and Bailey has reverted to the old ineffective Bailey.
Post by: LeeB on December 30, 2024, 10:32:05 AM
He plays as a wide forward, so it’s not about replacing Duran or Watkins unless the latter is sold.
So we have Ramsey who spends more time in recovery than playing, Philogene has not exactly pulled up any trees and Bailey has reverted to the old ineffective Bailey.
Exactly.
Post by: Mister E on December 30, 2024, 10:42:14 AM
Given the rise of Duran in the first half of the season, and the fact Ollie is already struggling for minutes, I just don't see how Unai will have looked at Louie's first half of the season (spectacular as it's been) and thought "I'll bring him back and add him to the mix".Your second sentence is exactly the point: our wide options this season have been crap - through poor form and / or poor fitness - and Barry potentially offers the pace and trickiness that we're lacking.
Now, it might be he's considering him more as a wide forward and as competition for Bailey/Philogene, because we have limited funds for recruitment in January, but I still think it's most likely that he'll step up a level with a championship loan at a club with playoff ambitions.
Post by: AV84 on December 30, 2024, 11:21:32 AM
He plays as a wide forward, so it’s not about replacing Duran or Watkins unless the latter is sold.
So we have Ramsey who spends more time in recovery than playing, Philogene has not exactly pulled up any trees and Bailey has reverted to the old ineffective Bailey.
I did wonder about this. If he was an out and out striker he'd have to be amazing right now to serve any benefit to us or him by staying. If he can offer an alternative to Ramsey, Buendia, Bailey, Philogene, and Rogers when he needs a rest, then maybe we will keep him.
I just don't see the point in keeping him if he's not going to get real time playing. Which, presumably, is something they'll decide once they have a look at him back at BMH.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 30, 2024, 11:41:14 AM
Only one of them is performing-Rogers, who also has different roles in the set up and can not be expected to play every game.He plays as a wide forward, so it’s not about replacing Duran or Watkins unless the latter is sold.
So we have Ramsey who spends more time in recovery than playing, Philogene has not exactly pulled up any trees and Bailey has reverted to the old ineffective Bailey.
I did wonder about this. If he was an out and out striker he'd have to be amazing right now to serve any benefit to us or him by staying. If he can offer an alternative to Ramsey, Buendia, Bailey, Philogene, and Rogers when he needs a rest, then maybe we will keep him.
I just don't see the point in keeping him if he's not going to get real time playing. Which, presumably, is something they'll decide once they have a look at him back at BMH.
Also the Barry interview sounded like he was coming back to get involved, but he is definitely going out on loan apparently.
Post by: Dave on December 30, 2024, 11:45:51 AM
Only one of them is performing-Rogers, who also has different roles in the set up and can not be expected to play every game.He plays as a wide forward, so it’s not about replacing Duran or Watkins unless the latter is sold.
So we have Ramsey who spends more time in recovery than playing, Philogene has not exactly pulled up any trees and Bailey has reverted to the old ineffective Bailey.
I did wonder about this. If he was an out and out striker he'd have to be amazing right now to serve any benefit to us or him by staying. If he can offer an alternative to Ramsey, Buendia, Bailey, Philogene, and Rogers when he needs a rest, then maybe we will keep him.
I just don't see the point in keeping him if he's not going to get real time playing. Which, presumably, is something they'll decide once they have a look at him back at BMH.
Also the Barry interview sounded like he was coming back to get involved, but he is definitely going out on loan apparently.
There was also talk from Monchi that we're looking to bring something extra in January, and an extra attacker definitely feels it's the one position in the squad where we might be able to find something that helps us.
Maybe the plan is that we try and get something to supplement Bailey / Philogene, if we do then Barry is off to the Championship and if we don't find someone suitable then Barry is that extra help.
Post by: LeeB on December 30, 2024, 12:08:45 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 30, 2024, 01:15:22 PM
He plays as a wide forward, so it’s not about replacing Duran or Watkins unless the latter is sold.
So we have Ramsey who spends more time in recovery than playing, Philogene has not exactly pulled up any trees and Bailey has reverted to the old ineffective Bailey.
True, but I’d put Iling Jnr ahead of Barry if we had to recall a winger/inside forward.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 30, 2024, 01:27:43 PM
is he comming backHe plays as a wide forward, so it’s not about replacing Duran or Watkins unless the latter is sold.
So we have Ramsey who spends more time in recovery than playing, Philogene has not exactly pulled up any trees and Bailey has reverted to the old ineffective Bailey.
True, but I’d put Iling Jnr ahead of Barry if we had to recall a winger/inside forward.
Post by: Dave on December 30, 2024, 01:33:38 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 30, 2024, 04:11:35 PM
He’s done as much as he could have done for Stockport and for me the natural step or reward is a loan to the Championship to see if he can hack it in the level above. For comparison Philiogene was one of the better players in The Championship last season and has done nothing of note.
Hopefully Barry will play a few games for us at some point and take his opportunity. I just think that the time isn’t now, it’s too soon.
Post by: Mellin on December 30, 2024, 06:57:42 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 31, 2024, 01:25:40 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 31, 2024, 07:34:20 AM
https://x.com/musicrnn/status/1871075838432858446?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 31, 2024, 07:40:35 AM
He doesn't play on the right side whenever I have seen him play at Stockport.
Post by: eye digress on December 31, 2024, 09:02:44 AM
Yep, plays on the left and all right foot:
https://x.com/musicrnn/status/1871075838432858446?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
One nice left footed finish in that lot ;)
Post by: caster troy on December 31, 2024, 09:15:04 AM
Post by: OCD on December 31, 2024, 06:36:37 PM
Post by: caster troy on January 01, 2025, 02:50:20 PM
Anyway, looks like he is injured… typical.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 01, 2025, 02:55:55 PM
Yeah, new player plus Bailey on the right, so no need to keep Philogene around. Barry taking his squad place as a utility forward.
Anyway, looks like he is injured… typical.
Yep, was gonna watch that. Won’t bother now.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 01, 2025, 03:38:04 PM
Post by: TCFKAE2 on January 01, 2025, 03:39:57 PM
Post by: Villafirst on January 01, 2025, 04:43:54 PM
TV said slight hamstring strain.
That means 6 weeks out then! Just when we need some forward cover, he injures his hamstring!
Post by: AV84 on January 01, 2025, 07:03:21 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 01, 2025, 07:26:44 PM
@JPercyTelegraph
Post by: Villafirst on January 01, 2025, 07:55:19 PM
Aston Villa intend to sell Louie Barry to a Championship club.
@JPercyTelegraph
If true, nice to see Louie being given a chance! Very little pathway for youth players to breakthrough at VP.
Post by: London Villan on January 01, 2025, 07:59:24 PM
Post by: Clampy on January 01, 2025, 08:00:50 PM
If it allows us to buy x2 quality players then fair enough. The need is now.
Like Dave said on the transfer thread, how much is a Championship club going to pay for him?
Post by: London Villan on January 01, 2025, 09:37:24 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 01, 2025, 09:41:19 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 01, 2025, 11:04:32 PM
I'd be disappointed if we don't get ten million, especially as strikers always seem to go for more money. If you're someone like Leeds and he makes the difference between staying down or going up, ten million is pennies.
They’re that price or higher if they’ve done well in the championship but he hasn’t, would you pay over £10m for a third tier player? Maybe if it’s structured a certain way but you’re paying for potential with Barry.
Post by: AV84 on January 01, 2025, 11:06:45 PM
I just hope we have a buy back and/or sell on clause in the deal. He's looked really good this season, albeit in the lower league.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 02, 2025, 12:30:42 AM
Post by: Dave on January 02, 2025, 08:26:53 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/01/01/premier-league-january-transfer-window-targets/
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Who may leave?
Villa will look to offload a number of players to make room for new signings, with Diego Carlos and Jaden Philogene-Bidace facing uncertain futures. Villa will recall loanee Louie Barry from League One Stockport and intend to sell him to a club in the Championship.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2025, 09:05:16 AM
Pay walled here:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/01/01/premier-league-january-transfer-window-targets/QuoteWho may leave?
Villa will look to offload a number of players to make room for new signings, with Diego Carlos and Jaden Philogene-Bidace facing uncertain futures. Villa will recall loanee Louie Barry from League One Stockport and intend to sell him to a club in the Championship.
Im ok with carlos and philiogene both leaving to be honest
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 02, 2025, 01:16:20 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 02, 2025, 01:20:18 PM
If Louie is on his way, I hope the seal includes ads-ons and a chunk of any future transfer.
That would be Killer.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 02, 2025, 02:05:13 PM
If Louie is on his way, I hope the seal includes ads-ons and a chunk of any future transfer.
That would be Killer.
It wouldn’t be Crazy.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 02, 2025, 02:09:53 PM
Post by: Keeno on January 02, 2025, 02:18:29 PM
Obviously the JPB gamble has failed but Emery is clearly not averse to giving players performing in the Championship (see Rogers) a chance in the first team, so the pathway is there, so I hope he continues his rise and we see him back within the next few years.
Good move for all parties IMO.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 02, 2025, 03:35:08 PM
Think with all of these links today it seems we’re acting in a pretty sensible way. Barry out for 8-10m with a buyback makes the Malen signing incredibly cheap/low risk. And allows Barry to carry on his form at a higher level.
Obviously the JPB gamble has failed but Emery is clearly not averse to giving players performing in the Championship (see Rogers) a chance in the first team, so the pathway is there, so I hope he continues his rise and we see him back within the next few years.
Good move for all parties IMO.
I’m not watching them in training every day but I’d say if there’s one thing UE hasn’t really done it’s give game time to talented young players.
Post by: Villan82 on January 02, 2025, 07:35:00 PM
Think with all of these links today it seems we’re acting in a pretty sensible way. Barry out for 8-10m with a buyback makes the Malen signing incredibly cheap/low risk. And allows Barry to carry on his form at a higher level.
Obviously the JPB gamble has failed but Emery is clearly not averse to giving players performing in the Championship (see Rogers) a chance in the first team, so the pathway is there, so I hope he continues his rise and we see him back within the next few years.
Good move for all parties IMO.
I’m not watching them in training every day but I’d say if there’s one thing UE hasn’t really done it’s give game time to talented young players.
Bogarde this season. Kellyman last season. Duran the season before. I don't think that's strictly true.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 02, 2025, 08:08:26 PM
Think with all of these links today it seems we’re acting in a pretty sensible way. Barry out for 8-10m with a buyback makes the Malen signing incredibly cheap/low risk. And allows Barry to carry on his form at a higher level.
Obviously the JPB gamble has failed but Emery is clearly not averse to giving players performing in the Championship (see Rogers) a chance in the first team, so the pathway is there, so I hope he continues his rise and we see him back within the next few years.
Good move for all parties IMO.
I’m not watching them in training every day but I’d say if there’s one thing UE hasn’t really done it’s give game time to talented young players.
Bogarde this season. Kellyman last season. Duran the season before. I don't think that's strictly true.
I’ll give you Duran, less so the others, what would it be 7/8 appearances between them including 3 starts?
Post by: Rudy65 on January 02, 2025, 10:18:40 PM
Needs to be the talent in the first placeThink with all of these links today it seems we’re acting in a pretty sensible way. Barry out for 8-10m with a buyback makes the Malen signing incredibly cheap/low risk. And allows Barry to carry on his form at a higher level.
Obviously the JPB gamble has failed but Emery is clearly not averse to giving players performing in the Championship (see Rogers) a chance in the first team, so the pathway is there, so I hope he continues his rise and we see him back within the next few years.
Good move for all parties IMO.
I’m not watching them in training every day but I’d say if there’s one thing UE hasn’t really done it’s give game time to talented young players.
Post by: Louzie0 on January 02, 2025, 10:21:39 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 02, 2025, 10:46:33 PM
Needs to be the talent in the first placeThink with all of these links today it seems we’re acting in a pretty sensible way. Barry out for 8-10m with a buyback makes the Malen signing incredibly cheap/low risk. And allows Barry to carry on his form at a higher level.
Obviously the JPB gamble has failed but Emery is clearly not averse to giving players performing in the Championship (see Rogers) a chance in the first team, so the pathway is there, so I hope he continues his rise and we see him back within the next few years.
Good move for all parties IMO.
I’m not watching them in training every day but I’d say if there’s one thing UE hasn’t really done it’s give game time to talented young players.
Yes but when players have been in the squad or been bought so by definition having the talent they’ve not had a look in.
There was a time last year when we had one fit midfielder and suspensions but Tim didn’t play, this season we’ve struggled at rb but a player with decent pedigree and highly thought of hasn’t had a kick. Maybe it’s just me and it is only a relatively small issue or perhaps nothing at all 🤷♂️.
Post by: rooboy316 on January 02, 2025, 11:02:41 PM
If Louie is on his way, I hope the seal includes ads-ons and a chunk of any future transfer.
That would be Killer.
I hope he goes to a big club…
Post by: Keeno on January 02, 2025, 11:18:05 PM
Hopefully they can do the same for Barry. In the mean time no harm in giving him playing time at that level and seeing if he can replicate his L1 form!
Post by: Pat McMahon on January 02, 2025, 11:50:55 PM
Think with all of these links today it seems we’re acting in a pretty sensible way. Barry out for 8-10m with a buyback makes the Malen signing incredibly cheap/low risk. And allows Barry to carry on his form at a higher level.
Obviously the JPB gamble has failed but Emery is clearly not averse to giving players performing in the Championship (see Rogers) a chance in the first team, so the pathway is there, so I hope he continues his rise and we see him back within the next few years.
Good move for all parties IMO.
I’m not watching them in training every day but I’d say if there’s one thing UE hasn’t really done it’s give game time to talented young players.
Bogarde this season. Kellyman last season. Duran the season before. I don't think that's strictly true.
The son of a mate of mine works at Brentford’s academy. He saw Kellyman play for Villa in a youngsters game in London, probably Brentford but I’m not certain, and reckoned he will never be a premier league player. He reckons the fee Chelsea paid for him was purely part of a merry go round to manage fair play regulations.
Post by: OCD on January 03, 2025, 10:40:20 AM
Think with all of these links today it seems we’re acting in a pretty sensible way. Barry out for 8-10m with a buyback makes the Malen signing incredibly cheap/low risk. And allows Barry to carry on his form at a higher level.
Obviously the JPB gamble has failed but Emery is clearly not averse to giving players performing in the Championship (see Rogers) a chance in the first team, so the pathway is there, so I hope he continues his rise and we see him back within the next few years.
Good move for all parties IMO.
I’m not watching them in training every day but I’d say if there’s one thing UE hasn’t really done it’s give game time to talented young players.
Bogarde this season. Kellyman last season. Duran the season before. I don't think that's strictly true.
The son of a mate of mine works at Brentford’s academy. He saw Kellyman play for Villa in a youngsters game in London, probably Brentford but I’m not certain, and reckoned he will never be a premier league player. He reckons the fee Chelsea paid for him was purely part of a merry go round to manage fair play regulations.
People go on about how much Maatsen cost but really him and Kellyman were both part of the same deal that us and Chelsea used to remain FFP compliant.
Once amortised, Maatsen is basically £3.5m a year for 5 years with Kellyman going the opposite way.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 08, 2025, 02:15:58 PM
Look at his face, just look at his face
(https://telegrafi.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/0_Louie-Barry-of-Aston-Villa.jpg)
Post by: Nev on January 08, 2025, 02:20:16 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 08, 2025, 02:25:35 PM
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And next time Klopp moans about needing more subs and how fatigued his players get remember the 11 he's put out tonight against what everyone knew would be a mix of U21/U19 players making their debuts. Goofy fucking twat.
Post by: Tuscans on January 08, 2025, 02:39:26 PM
@RichCawleySLP
Post by: UK Redsox on January 08, 2025, 02:44:57 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-liverpool/teams/440125
Post by: Somniloquism on January 08, 2025, 02:53:54 PM
It came up in my FB memories, along with me posting thisQuoteAnd next time Klopp moans about needing more subs and how fatigued his players get remember the 11 he's put out tonight against what everyone knew would be a mix of U21/U19 players making their debuts. Goofy fucking twat.
It was the fact he did that in "revenge" for us putting out a "strong" 11 against their kids two years beforehand in the League Cup. A match that he didn't have to do all kids for but did in protest, and we pretty much changed all the players from the last league match anyway.
Post by: TaxDodger on January 08, 2025, 02:58:09 PM
More of the team are still with (or are on loan from) Villa than I thought
https://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-liverpool/teams/440125
Current Aberystwyth Town first choice right back Frankie Ealing was an unused substitute. How exciting.
Post by: LeeB on January 08, 2025, 03:17:53 PM
More of the team are still with (or are on loan from) Villa than I thought
https://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-liverpool/teams/440125
Current Aberystwyth Town first choice right back Frankie Ealing was an unused substitute. How exciting.
Wonder if he's related to Sexual?
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 08, 2025, 03:23:59 PM
Millwall are keen on a loan deal for Louie Barry.
@RichCawleySLP
Surely one of the teams in and around the play offs would be more suitable than a team in mid table nowhereville
THought MIddlesborouigh / Leeds were interested?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 08, 2025, 03:25:10 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 08, 2025, 03:33:04 PM
Millwall are keen on a loan deal for Louie Barry.
@RichCawleySLP
Surely one of the teams in and around the play offs would be more suitable than a team in mid table nowhereville
THought MIddlesborouigh / Leeds were interested?
It's tricky though as those teams already have de ent options and he may find himself on the bench a lot, whereas with the lower teams he plays.
The point of the loan is to see if he can cut it at that level, so he needs to be playing every week ideally.
Post by: paul_e on January 08, 2025, 03:55:13 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 08, 2025, 06:31:21 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 08, 2025, 07:28:49 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 08, 2025, 07:31:36 PM
Yep. For me the perfect loan move for a player like Barry is go somewhere that has a decent team but is a player or 2 short of making a run at the playoffs because that's where they're looking for someone to be their spark, whereas a top 6 side will be looking for options.We've had decent success loaning to Boro in recent years, Archer did well, I think Aaron Ramsey did ok there too.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 08, 2025, 07:40:18 PM
if we sell Jaden Philegene, then why not keep Barry for the squad, he can't do any worse really.
Im almost certain he would do better
Post by: UK Redsox on January 09, 2025, 10:17:06 AM
Millwall are keen on a loan deal for Louie Barry.
@RichCawleySLP
Surely one of the teams in and around the play offs would be more suitable than a team in mid table nowhereville
THought MIddlesborouigh / Leeds were interested?
Leeds options up front/wide are pretty decent already for that level.
I doubt that he'd get much game time there
Post by: Mister E on January 09, 2025, 12:05:24 PM
agreedMillwall are keen on a loan deal for Louie Barry.
@RichCawleySLP
Surely one of the teams in and around the play offs would be more suitable than a team in mid table nowhereville
THought MIddlesborouigh / Leeds were interested?
Leeds options up front/wide are pretty decent already for that level.
I doubt that he'd get much game time there
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on January 13, 2025, 07:41:42 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 13, 2025, 07:47:09 PM
Is he gone to Celtic?
Nothing confirmed yet, although they're rumoured to be interested in signing him permanently. There's been some talk of Kyogo going to MLS (Atlanta United) so it may be connected.
Post by: frank black on January 13, 2025, 07:59:04 PM
Is he gone to Celtic?
No credible source, so doubt it.
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on January 13, 2025, 08:09:00 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 13, 2025, 09:25:29 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 13, 2025, 09:33:31 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 13, 2025, 09:50:16 PM
Celtic can fuck off basically .
Why’s that?
Has any fee been mentioned?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 13, 2025, 10:29:26 PM
Great move short-term but that league is a dead-end, he'd be hankering after the Ch'ship in a couple of years.
If he does very well, he could earn a move to the Premier League, and it might make him more likely to declare for Ireland. ;)
Post by: VillaTim on January 13, 2025, 10:34:07 PM
He's not for sale , a loan to a pub league is pointlessCeltic can fuck off basically .
Why’s that?
Has any fee been mentioned?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 13, 2025, 11:57:17 PM
Celtic can fuck off basically .
Stan disagrees. https://x.com/StanCollymore/status/1878897137364414872
Post by: VillaTim on January 14, 2025, 12:16:56 AM
Stan ? That's Petrov isn't it ?Celtic can fuck off basically .
Stan disagrees. https://x.com/StanCollymore/status/1878897137364414872
Anyway , "drive him to paradise" ? Bloody hell like daytime melodrama TV .
Post by: Reuben on January 15, 2025, 12:30:31 PM
Post by: Dave on January 15, 2025, 12:32:46 PM
If he goes there of course.
Post by: OCD on January 15, 2025, 01:09:00 PM
Post by: Dave on January 15, 2025, 01:13:35 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 15, 2025, 01:34:27 PM
*obviously it will be based on who offers the most money
Post by: OCD on January 15, 2025, 02:04:14 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 15, 2025, 02:07:54 PM
@SportsPeteO
Post by: WassallVillain on January 15, 2025, 02:09:14 PM
Aston Villa want to tie down Louie Barry to a new contract before potentially sanctioning a loan move this month.Win win for young Louie I think.
@SportsPeteO
Post by: paul_e on January 15, 2025, 02:09:56 PM
Emery said a while ago that he wanted to assess him in training, and he had a "small" injury when he first came back. There was always going to be a delay before we saw what happened with him for the second half of the season.
I have 2 hopes for Barry.
1st that we don't sell him in this window, I think it would be a shame to cash in just as he seems to be settling into senior football.
2nd that if he goes out on loan again it's right at the end of the window, giving him a good 4 weeks of training with the first team and learning how far he still has to go to be a premier league player.
Post by: Drummond on January 15, 2025, 02:24:29 PM
Aston Villa want to tie down Louie Barry to a new contract before potentially sanctioning a loan move this month.
@SportsPeteO
Ah, the Football Insider bloke....
Post by: Demitri_C on January 15, 2025, 02:48:53 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2025, 02:53:15 PM
Id like to gwt him on a new contract and loan him out to a championship club someone like boro who we have a good relationship with
We don't know that, we might be nice to each other face to face but then slag each other off to other clubs.
Wasn't it Steve Gibson that was trying to get us done over the stadium sale as well, threatening legal action?
Post by: AV84 on January 15, 2025, 11:25:20 PM
They need goals if they want to stay up, and it wouldn't take much at the moment to get in the starting 11 over DCL and Beto. Moyes wouldn't exactly be playing exciting football, but if we wanted to test him in the Premier League, it might not be a bad idea.
Post by: Chap on January 16, 2025, 12:58:38 AM
Just throwing this out there, anything to be said for sending him to Everton on loan?Poor lad. What has he done to deserve that fate?
They need goals if they want to stay up, and it wouldn't take much at the moment to get in the starting 11 over DCL and Beto. Moyes wouldn't exactly be playing exciting football, but if we wanted to test him in the Premier League, it might not be a bad idea.
Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2025, 02:08:29 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 16, 2025, 07:32:39 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 16, 2025, 09:50:25 AM
Just throwing this out there, anything to be said for sending him to Everton on loan?
They need goals if they want to stay up, and it wouldn't take much at the moment to get in the starting 11 over DCL and Beto. Moyes wouldn't exactly be playing exciting football, but if we wanted to test him in the Premier League, it might not be a bad idea.
Probably too big a jump for his development. And if he doesn't fly from the start, would he even get game time in a team flirting with relegation?
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2025, 09:52:41 AM
Just throwing this out there, anything to be said for sending him to Everton on loan?
They need goals if they want to stay up, and it wouldn't take much at the moment to get in the starting 11 over DCL and Beto. Moyes wouldn't exactly be playing exciting football, but if we wanted to test him in the Premier League, it might not be a bad idea.
Probably too big a jump for his development. And if he doesn't fly from the start, would he even get game time in a team flirting with relegation?
Not with an ultra-conservative British manager in charge, no.
Post by: LeeS on January 16, 2025, 09:53:14 AM
Celtic would be fine though.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 16, 2025, 09:55:14 AM
Just throwing this out there, anything to be said for sending him to Everton on loan?
They need goals if they want to stay up, and it wouldn't take much at the moment to get in the starting 11 over DCL and Beto. Moyes wouldn't exactly be playing exciting football, but if we wanted to test him in the Premier League, it might not be a bad idea.
Cant see either club being interested in that, he's far too slight to be trying to get on the end of field lengths hoofs from Pickford.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 16, 2025, 10:10:07 AM
Not with an ultra-conservative British manager in charge, no.
"Right Louie, welcome to Everton. You played really well at Stockport scoring all those goals. Can you use that skill and enthusiasm to launch the ball into the box from our half with it travelling in the air 40 yards minimum?
I also want to ensure you are aware your starting position as attacking midfielder is level with the 18 yard box. When you go into training, ensure you use the neck strengthening machine regularly. I don't like the injury issues with the midfielders watching the ball fly above their heads from our defenders."
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 16, 2025, 10:43:29 AM
Toffees are probably as delulu as Wham fans and think they could get Durán on-loan with a view to a perm.
You think Everton will attempt to get one of the most sought after forwards to work on early 80s Liverpool hair fashion to get them out of trouble?
Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2025, 11:15:25 AM
Post by: Tuscans on January 16, 2025, 01:44:15 PM
@Record_Sport
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 16, 2025, 01:45:53 PM
Celtic are set to test Aston Villa’s resolve with an opening seven figure bid for Louie Barry.
@Record_Sport
You’d hope it was 7 figures, wouldn’t you?
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2025, 01:55:37 PM
Celtic are set to test Aston Villa’s resolve with an opening seven figure bid for Louie Barry.
@Record_Sport
You’d hope it was 7 figures, wouldn’t you?
Yeah, 1989 called and wants it's transfer rumour back.
Post by: Drummond on January 16, 2025, 01:59:25 PM
Celtic are set to test Aston Villa’s resolve with an opening seven figure bid for Louie Barry.
@Record_Sport
You’d hope it was 7 figures, wouldn’t you?
Yeah, 1989 called and wants it's transfer rumour back.
14 years before he was born...
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 16, 2025, 02:05:19 PM
Celtic are set to test Aston Villa’s resolve with an opening seven figure bid for Louie Barry.
@Record_Sport
You’d hope it was 7 figures, wouldn’t you?
I'd prefer it if it were 8 figures.
Post by: VancouverLion on January 16, 2025, 03:08:38 PM
Post by: Dave P on January 16, 2025, 03:56:00 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 16, 2025, 04:47:57 PM
Just throwing this out there, anything to be said for sending him to Everton on loan?
They need goals if they want to stay up, and it wouldn't take much at the moment to get in the starting 11 over DCL and Beto. Moyes wouldn't exactly be playing exciting football, but if we wanted to test him in the Premier League, it might not be a bad idea.
Not a bad shout. Would give them something different compared to the two totem poles up top with bollocks for brains.
Think they'll be looking for something far closer to the finished article, mind.
Post by: AV84 on January 16, 2025, 11:06:50 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2025, 11:09:01 PM
Post by: frank black on January 17, 2025, 07:01:15 AM
Post by: Mister E on January 17, 2025, 07:03:34 AM
Talk of a new contract and being sent off on loan again. Seems the only offers have been circa 4-5mil.Hmmm, remind me again what we got for Chuky and Kellyman?!
Post by: Smithy on January 17, 2025, 12:11:08 PM
Talk of a new contract and being sent off on loan again. Seems the only offers have been circa 4-5mil.Hmmm, remind me again what we got for Chuky and Kellyman?!
Both of those had top-flight first-team appearances to their names as 18-year-olds. Louie is 21, and his only first-team appearance was in the Covid youth team in the FA Cup. He's never played higher than our third tier (as good as he's been at that level). It doesn't surprise me that he's not being talked about for similar fees to those two.
If he has a good loan in the Championship, then we're into £10m+ territory. If the loan is VERY good (think Archer at 'boro), or he plays a bit in our first team, then it's probably in the £20m range.
I suspect the talk of a new contract (if real), is because the club think he has £20m potential if they can develop him properly over the next 12-18 months.
Post by: SaddVillan on January 17, 2025, 12:13:07 PM
Talk of a new contract and being sent off on loan again. Seems the only offers have been circa 4-5mil.Hmmm, remind me again what we got for Chuky and Kellyman?!
£20m and £19m - reportedly.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 17, 2025, 12:49:29 PM
Post by: London Villan on January 17, 2025, 12:50:55 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 17, 2025, 01:15:41 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14294023/Unai-Emery-makes-decision-Louie-Barrys-Aston-Villa-future-bids-Celtic-Lens-ex-Barcelona-starlet.html?
Post by: Dave on January 17, 2025, 01:18:51 PM
4-5 mill is a pisstake given his potential. Would like to see him loaned to a non-twatty Championship club who don't have many strikers so would pick him regularly.
I had a look at what the highest transfer fees paid to a League One club were (not that that's what would be happening with Barry but gives an idea of the sort of maximum amount a club might get based on performances at that level).
Interestingly, Transfermarkt still have the highest ever as the money we gave Leeds for Delph over 15 years ago.
Other comparables would be Brentford buying Toney, Forest buying Assombalonga and Everton buying Lookman, which were all around the £5m mark.
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2025, 01:53:46 PM
Post by: Dave on January 17, 2025, 01:55:48 PM
Post by: LeeS on January 17, 2025, 02:09:16 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 17, 2025, 03:40:50 PM
It’s a pretty good proxy, Dave. However, there must be a premium on a player who has been through a Premier League academy versus a third tier one. Not to mention his stint at Barca.
I probably spent more time on the Camp Nou pitch than Louie when I did the stadium tour.
Post by: ozzjim on January 17, 2025, 04:01:34 PM
Post by: Dave on January 17, 2025, 04:04:41 PM
I think the guy at Blues is probably a decent benchmark. He'd played ok in the championship but didn't have thee pedigree of Barry.
I reckon if Barry had played ok in the Championship at some point in his caeer then talk of £10m+ would be completely reasonable. It the lack of that up to now which is presumably why teams aren't offering us those sorts of numbers.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 17, 2025, 04:12:13 PM
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Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2025, 02:04:40 PM
Barry with a brace, Cook and Heaton with the other goals.
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 27, 2025, 02:33:59 PM
London 0 Hull 4Stan Collimore surely
Barry with a brace, Cook and Heaton with the other goals.
Post by: jwarry on January 27, 2025, 03:14:06 PM
Louie Barry is due to have a medical with Hull City ahead of joining the Championship club on loan from Aston Villa for the remainder of the season.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 27, 2025, 03:15:53 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 27, 2025, 04:21:27 PM
@TheAthleticFC
Post by: London Villan on January 27, 2025, 04:22:17 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 27, 2025, 04:23:48 PM
There's £10m for PSR purposes before June 30th.
How do you work that out?
Post by: London Villan on January 27, 2025, 04:44:55 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 27, 2025, 04:48:41 PM
sounds like he is off on loan to hullPoor lad .
Post by: dorsetvillian on January 27, 2025, 05:39:59 PM
Post by: not3bad on January 27, 2025, 05:44:15 PM
London 0 Hull 4
Barry with a brace, Cook and Heaton with the other goals.
It's happy hour again.
Post by: Mister E on January 27, 2025, 07:21:51 PM
He'll know all about Rotterdam.London 0 Hull 4
Barry with a brace, Cook and Heaton with the other goals.
It's happy hour again.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 27, 2025, 11:55:25 PM
He'll know all about Rotterdam.London 0 Hull 4
Barry with a brace, Cook and Heaton with the other goals.
It's happy hour again.
Everybody’s talkin’ about him but I think he’ll just need A Little Time to adjust to the championship.
Post by: Drummond on January 28, 2025, 12:06:22 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 28, 2025, 12:31:31 AM
He'll be the Perfect 10 for them.
Olof Beard's least favourite song in the world or so it seemed when I saw him at the weekend and he was moaning about it.
Post by: Tuscans on January 29, 2025, 05:15:54 PM
Aston Villa is delighted to announce that Louie Barry has signed a new contract and will immediately join Hull City on loan for the remainder of the season.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 29, 2025, 05:45:38 PM
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Post by: SaddVillan on July 16, 2025, 12:39:05 AM
Sheffield Utd's manager- Ruben Selles was the manager at Hull last season when Barry went there on loan - injured his knee after 4 games.
Post by: Matt C on July 16, 2025, 08:27:15 AM
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Post by: Tuscans on July 22, 2025, 01:22:24 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on July 22, 2025, 02:14:30 PM
Confirmed loan to Sheff Utd.
Ho hum another loan.
Well we'll keep his wages off the books, which is a positive.
Ruben Selles who signed him for Hull is the coach at Bramhall Lane, so he must have a vision for how he wants to play him.
Looking forward:
● Positive outcome. He has a good season and either returns as a back up striker, or with his resale value increased.
● Negative outcome.He gets injured/has a poor season, in which case his resale value might have declined. It was rumoured at £3.5m + 50% sell-on, so that might drop a bit?
Either way, this isn't going to make a huge deal to our PSR/SCR numbers.
Post by: SaddVillan on July 22, 2025, 02:16:27 PM
Post by: Smithy on July 22, 2025, 07:34:33 PM
Confirmed loan to Sheff Utd.
Ho hum another loan.
Well we'll keep his wages off the books, which is a positive.
Ruben Selles who signed him for Hull is the coach at Bramhall Lane, so he must have a vision for how he wants to play him.
Looking forward:
● Positive outcome. He has a good season and either returns as a back up striker, or with his resale value increased.
● Negative outcome.He gets injured/has a poor season, in which case his resale value might have declined. It was rumoured at £3.5m + 50% sell-on, so that might drop a bit?
Either way, this isn't going to make a huge deal to our PSR/SCR numbers.
It might not mean much to PSR now, but a positive Championship loan can do wonders for a player's value. Look at Cam Archer post-Boro.
He's now had a few long-ish term injuries, so most of all he probably needs to complete a season injury free (exclusinf the usual knocks and small strains most players get from time to time). He has talent, and was clearly too good for League One. Hopefully he goes on to prove he's too good for Championship!
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2025, 08:16:57 PM
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