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Title: Press-ed off again
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 29, 2019, 11:58:58 AM
You know the drill by now.

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Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2019, 12:14:44 PM
Agree this is not the time for weeks of contemplation and speculation.
Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 29, 2019, 12:19:57 PM
Sure, can't argue with a word written here. Gutting that it has come to this but it has so....
Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: Legion on December 29, 2019, 12:23:16 PM
Last paragraph is spot on.
Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: BoVillan esq on December 29, 2019, 12:26:11 PM
I think the comment about Smith being gripped in the latter stages of inertia is spot on, you only have to look at his face yesterday to see that he was transfixed with panic, point is if we can see that imagine the drift the players are getting just a few short yards away.
Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2019, 12:51:04 PM
I thought it was anger.
Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: BoVillan esq on December 29, 2019, 01:01:44 PM
I thought it was anger.

Constipation.
Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: darren woolley on December 29, 2019, 01:58:43 PM
Great read Dave and it was good to see you yesterday.
Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 29, 2019, 02:59:45 PM
Great read Dave and it was good to see you yesterday.

I was in the presence of greatness, Daz.
Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 29, 2019, 03:10:56 PM
Another fine read and there does need to be some clarity here with a decision either way.
Back the guy or sack the guy but make a decision.
Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: Villafirst on December 29, 2019, 05:29:19 PM
Smith is picking out questionable decisions against us, but he needs to look at the bigger picture; the outlook is dire with so many defeats lately. Villa look devoid of ideas and lacking any desire to fight in these games. I think defeat at Burnley on Wednesday will signal the end for DS.
Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: Drummond on December 29, 2019, 06:21:21 PM
Another fine read and there does need to be some clarity here with a decision either way.
Back the guy or sack the guy but make a decision.

Surely if he's not been sacked the decision is pretty clear?

Do you really expect the vote of confidence?
Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: Risso on December 29, 2019, 06:23:03 PM
And to be fair, they might have decided to back him but can’t do yet, what with it still being December and that.
Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: Drummond on December 29, 2019, 06:27:47 PM
And to be fair, they might have decided to back him but can’t do yet, what with it still being December and that.

It's a fucking difficult situation whichever way you look at it.

I think a lot of us expected the last 3 to be fairly straightforward, up until their form changed in the short period before playing us.

I'd like it to work, I think it could work but we need better players and the manager to have a wank and clear his head.
Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 29, 2019, 06:46:34 PM
And to be fair, they might have decided to back him but can’t do yet, what with it still being December and that.

It's a fucking difficult situation whichever way you look at it.

I think a lot of us expected the last 3 to be fairly straightforward, up until their form changed in the short period before playing us.

I'd like it to work, I think it could work but we need better players and the manager to have a wank and clear his head.

Haha!
Brilliant solution!
Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: Rico on December 29, 2019, 07:03:22 PM
The most successful clubs go out and get the best managers. It quite simply is the most important position in the football club. Time and time again Aston Villa appoint managers who have shown some promise in the lower divisions and then seem surprised when it all goes wrong when the pressure of managing at the highest of levels begins to show.

We never learn do we? Shrewsbury,  Norwich, Small Heath and Brentford do not give the incumbent the required level of preparation for the responsibility of managing Aston Villa.

Villa's most successful managers in my time: Saunders, Taylor, Atkinson and Little had already gained the necessary skills to be successful at the highest level. Next time we appoint a manager, whenever that may be, and I suspect it will be sooner rather than later I hope that we learn from history.
UTV


Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 29, 2019, 07:19:58 PM
The most successful clubs go out and get the best managers. It quite simply is the most important position in the football club. Time and time again Aston Villa appoint managers who have shown some promise in the lower divisions and then seem surprised when it all goes wrong when the pressure of managing at the highest of levels begins to show.

We never learn do we? Shrewsbury,  Norwich, Small Heath and Brentford do not give the incumbent the required level of preparation for the responsibility of managing Aston Villa.

Villa's most successful managers in my time: Saunders, Taylor, Atkinson and Little had already gained the necessary skills to be successful at the highest level. Next time we appoint a manager, whenever that may be, and I suspect it will be sooner rather than later I hope that we learn from history.
UTV

Swings and roundabouts with this, you could argue Bruce had as much experience as Little did before he came to us, Di Matteo managed Chelsea (albeit briefly). Think Saunders was at Norwich before us as well or at some point.

It seems to me Smith was a much more practical appointment that the only other seeming option last year, Thierry Henry.

Dean needs to show flexibility in his tactics, he could also do with a huge slice of luck ( a bizarre own goal, dodgy penalty etc) against Burnley to help kick start the season.
Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 29, 2019, 07:43:14 PM
And to be fair, they might have decided to back him but can’t do yet, what with it still being December and that.

It's a fucking difficult situation whichever way you look at it.

I think a lot of us expected the last 3 to be fairly straightforward, up until their form changed in the short period before playing us.

I'd like it to work, I think it could work but we need better players and the manager to have a wank and clear his head.

Haha!
Brilliant solution!

It could work. I was in my early teens when we dropped into the 3rd division. By the time I was in a satisfying relationship with a girl instead of my hand we had been promoted twice with a league cup win thrown in.
Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 29, 2019, 08:06:33 PM
That’s it then.
I know what I’m doing at 12.30 on NewYears Day!!
Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 29, 2019, 08:35:05 PM
The most successful clubs go out and get the best managers. It quite simply is the most important position in the football club. Time and time again Aston Villa appoint managers who have shown some promise in the lower divisions and then seem surprised when it all goes wrong when the pressure of managing at the highest of levels begins to show.

We never learn do we? Shrewsbury,  Norwich, Small Heath and Brentford do not give the incumbent the required level of preparation for the responsibility of managing Aston Villa.

Villa's most successful managers in my time: Saunders, Taylor, Atkinson and Little had already gained the necessary skills to be successful at the highest level. Next time we appoint a manager, whenever that may be, and I suspect it will be sooner rather than later I hope that we learn from history.
UTV


In the only full top flight season Saunders had before us his team finished 20th, which was Norwich. He was sacked by Man City after about 5 or 6 months.
Little had managed in the top flight for less time than DS has.
Title: Re: Press-ed off again
Post by: brian green on December 29, 2019, 08:57:08 PM
It looked like Valium to me.  His comment about us lacking "competitive edge" was a doozey.
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