Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on December 26, 2019, 05:18:42 PM
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One point from safety. And still only three points behind Southampton.
Norwich are seven points from safety so that’s one place almost certain.
Watford could be in the same situation by this time on Saturday night a very difficult position for them.
We’ve still got Watford, palace, at home. As well as Bournemouth, Wet Spam and Southampton still to play.
Up the effin Villa.
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At straws clutching
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The positives are all of those things. We have money. We will spend it. Those teams above us are only a few points away and won't all sustain their recent good form. We will hopefully bounce back once new players come in and the manager will be forced to incorporate them. Like a new striker or two which I feel means Kodjia will be sold. Hopefully Mings gets back to the player we know he can be not the error ridden one we saw before his injury.
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We’ve got more points and only two less goals than the whole of the last season in the PL.
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The positives are all of those things. We have money. We will spend it. Those teams above us are only a few points away and won't all sustain their recent good form. We will hopefully bounce back once new players come in and the manager will be forced to incorporate them. Like a new striker or two which I feel means Kodjia will be sold. Hopefully Mings gets back to the player we know he can be not the error ridden one we saw before his injury.
Why do you say he'll be "forced" to accommodate them like it will be a problem for him? That's daft
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At straws clutching
No I don't think so.
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A well needed thread to cheer us up. One positive for me is the january window when things can be fixed.
Also hope some other teams will have bad spells too.
UTV.
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Heaton, Grealish, we're not 19th or 20th, a chance to strengthen in January, not too far away from 17th and safety...
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The positives are all of those things. We have money. We will spend it. Those teams above us are only a few points away and won't all sustain their recent good form. We will hopefully bounce back once new players come in and the manager will be forced to incorporate them. Like a new striker or two which I feel means Kodjia will be sold. Hopefully Mings gets back to the player we know he can be not the error ridden one we saw before his injury.
Why do you say he'll be "forced" to accommodate them like it will be a problem for him? That's daft
We spent 140m in the summer and the players he had a hand in buying aren't performning to the standards expected. Much is on the manager. Now the club will trust him with a bunch more to keep us up so there will be an expectation that if we bring players in at a premium as often is in January theat there will be some level of obligation to play them. This for a manager that hasn't proved himself to be the most flexible especially in the forward position where you would think we will invest. So it's not daft to suggest there will some influence asserted on him to play new players.
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Our owners use their astute financial acumen and brains and realise Smith isn't a manager for the league we are in - demote him and recruit a first class manager early January - he in turn brings in 5/6 players with Premier League experience (outright purchase and loans)- this includes a decent striker, midfield enforcer, creative midfielder, winger and and two full backs
Realistic ? Not a chance !!
- But it's amazing what appears achievable after a couple of bottles of dry white wine and a few large Metaxa 7 Star
UTV
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The positives are all of those things. We have money. We will spend it. Those teams above us are only a few points away and won't all sustain their recent good form. We will hopefully bounce back once new players come in and the manager will be forced to incorporate them. Like a new striker or two which I feel means Kodjia will be sold. Hopefully Mings gets back to the player we know he can be not the error ridden one we saw before his injury.
Why do you say he'll be "forced" to accommodate them like it will be a problem for him? That's daft
We spent 140m in the summer and the players he had a hand in buying aren't performning to the standards expected. Much is on the manager. Now the club will trust him with a bunch more to keep us up so there will be an expectation that if we bring players in at a premium as often is in January theat there will be some level of obligation to play them. This for a manager that hasn't proved himself to be the most flexible especially in the forward position where you would think we will invest. So it's not daft to suggest there will some influence asserted on him to play new players.
My point was that you seemed to suggest that he would have to be "forced" to play the players he, presumably, will have a hand in signing once again. Why would he not want to? In the forward position he has no alternative at the moment, that's not inflexibility that's necessity. And don't say Kodjia, for Christ's sake.
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The last we saw if Kodjia he took a breakaway goal really well and scored in instinctive goal inside the 6 yard box. Is it too much to ask a manger who is limited in his options to at least consider the options that ARE available to him? So he can maybe try another way of playing vs the one he is married to come hell or high water.
We looked shit most of today because we have a CF who is working his way to being the worst we have ever had at this level. He offers literally nothing as an attacking force. So while admittedly Kodjia isn’t the player he once was he’s a player we should be trying if nothing else to take the pressure off Wesley. Right now we are just throwing him into games, hoping and praying he comes good when in fact it’s likely having the very opposite affect and chipping away further at what is an already fragile confidence and morale.
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The last we saw if Kodjia he took a breakaway goal really well and scored in instinctive goal inside the 6 yard box. Is it too much to ask a manger who is limited in his options to at least consider the options that ARE available to him? So he can maybe try another way of playing vs the one he is married to come hell or high water.
We looked shit most of today because we have a CF who is working his way to being the worst we have ever had at this level. He offers literally nothing as an attacking force. So while admittedly Kodjia isn’t the player he once was he’s a player we should be trying if nothing else to take the pressure off Wesley. Right now we are just throwing him into games, hoping and praying he comes good when in fact it’s likely having the very opposite affect and chipping away further at what is an already fragile confidence and morale.
Wesley was pretty good today, its just most are too blinkered to admit it. He worked his socks off in a game which was always going to be a scrap, no way would Kodjia have done that. Confidence wise, he looked better, and he was first or second up to the Holte after the match. Today will have done him some good, contrary to your post. It's all about opinions I know, but I think lots of them on here are more negative than is warranted , and just reflect the prevailing H and V breeze.
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Wesley was crap. At one point he did manage to beat a player somehow, then ran into the area and passed it tamely to a Norwich player. Then his one contribution late in the second half was a shit shot/pass at the Norwick keeper's near post, with no other Villa player anywhere near him. His lack of effort in the last 20 minutes was a complete disgrace. It's not just an H&V thing, people sat around us were screaming for him to be taken off.
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Wesley was crap. At one point he did manage to beat a player somehow, then ran into the area and passed it tamely to a Norwich player. Then his one contribution late in the second half was a shit shot/pass at the Norwick keeper's near post, with no other Villa player anywhere near him. His lack of effort in the last 20 minutes was a complete disgrace. It's not just an H&V thing, people sat around us were screaming for him to be taken off.
I think last 10 mins he was knackered, I don't think it was lack of effort. That was the time to sub him. For lack of effort generally see AEG,Trezeguet and Targett.
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Wesley was crap. At one point he did manage to beat a player somehow, then ran into the area and passed it tamely to a Norwich player. Then his one contribution late in the second half was a shit shot/pass at the Norwick keeper's near post, with no other Villa player anywhere near him. His lack of effort in the last 20 minutes was a complete disgrace. It's not just an H&V thing, people sat around us were screaming for him to be taken off.
I think last 10 mins he was knackered, I don't think it was lack of effort. That was the time to sub him. For lack of effort generally see AEG,Trezeguet and Targett.
Totally agree. He worked hard today and was just knackered at the end. He was the one berrating his team mates for not closing down. Aeg, trez, target and Douglas were infinitely poorer than him today.
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He didn't have a single shot all game, against Norwich, at home. He's woefully inadequate.
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Trying to be positive so whats happened to our future stars out on loan are any of them improving, some of them must surely be in their mid twenties now.
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Half way through the season and 18 points. Have a slightly better second half of the season and we could be looking at around 40 points.
Need to get some cohesion back in to the play. A couple of astute loan signings could make all the difference.
People go on about spending a lot of money in the summer but that's when you compare it being spent on an established squad. Much of the money had to be spent just on filling places in the squad. Some of the players have clearly not combined well with others and some will take time.
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Arguably its valid under this thread to mention the plight of Sunderland.
Yesterday they scraped a 0-0 draw at home to Bolton in front of 33,000 spectators.
They now sit in the bottom half of League 1.
This could have been us.
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I did look at Sunderland during the week and think the same. Think we have Steve Bruce to thank for arresting the slide during that first season in the Championship.
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For those who like stats. (Those who don't just ignore)
Villa are 5th for most chances created .
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3rd at home after Man City and Chelsea
Villa are 5th for most crosses in league overall
Man city , Everton , Liverpool , Sheff Utd
(5th at home,9th away)
Dean Smith side in premier league are 6th for most shots on target only behind man city , man utd , Liverpool Chelsea Leicester
Aston villa are 7th for Overall average of 13 shots per game.
Only Man city , Chelsea , Liverpool , Man Utd , Leicester , Everton have had more shots at goal than
Villa this season 247 shots.
103 shots from outside the box
The 4th most in the league ( only man utd ,man city and Chelsea had more)
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We're 18th.
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We're 18th.
Finally. An easily digestible and understandable stat. Thanks, Legion!
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In Dean Smith . We have a manager who wants to progress and develop.
He loves the club.
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One positive is that all we have to do is finish 17th. We don't have to be scintillating, we don't have to score hatfuls of goals, we don't have to finish miles ahead of the bottom 3, and there are enough games left (just about) where we can expect to pick up points.
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This is the positive thread.
If you want to point our reasons to be negative there are lots of other threads to do that in.
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He didn't have a single shot all game, against Norwich, at home. He's woefully inadequate.
How many chances did our wonderful midfield create? And our two wide forwards? I agree he's been far from great but I don't think he's as bad as some make out either. It seems you decided long ago he's beyond redemption. Where others can see mitigating circumstances, effort, and some nice touches, you can't. Or is it won't? As someone else said earlier int he season we were creating a lot of chances and Wesley's goal return in the first 10-12 games wasn't that bad, somewhere between 1 in 2 and 1 in 3, without setting the world on fire. Since the midfield has become a basket case and now creates very few opportunities it's hardly surprising he's not looking much like scoring. I've seen him make a fair few runs off the shoulder of the last defender, similar to the one that led to the goal against Everton, and the man on the ball has either not seen it, seen it too late, or chosen not to play him in.
For me Trezeguet and to an extent AEG are far bigger problems up front than Wesley.
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He didn't have a single shot all game, against Norwich, at home. He's woefully inadequate.
How many chances did our wonderful midfield create? And our two wide forwards? I agree he's been far from great but I don't think he's as bad as some make out either. It seems you decided long ago he's beyond redemption. Where others can see mitigating circumstances, effort, and some nice touches, you can't. Or is it won't? As someone else said earlier int he season we were creating a lot of chances and Wesley's goal return in the first 10-12 games wasn't that bad, somewhere between 1 in 2 and 1 in 3, without setting the world on fire. Since the midfield has become a basket case and now creates very few opportunities it's hardly surprising he's not looking much like scoring. I've seen him make a fair few runs off the shoulder of the last defender, similar to the one that led to the goal against Everton, and the man on the ball has either not seen it, seen it too late, or chosen not to play him in.
For me Trezeguet and to an extent AEG are far bigger problems up front than Wesley.
Well said and whilst I’m no Wesley fanboy he’s less of a problem than El Ghazi and Trezeguet who have been utterly woeful all season.
And to keep this on topic, we’ve a lot of players who’ve either struggled to settle or struggled with the step up. However it’s now been nearly 6 months and the time for these excuses is lessening with time so let’s hope they all start to up their game.
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Arguably its valid under this thread to mention the plight of Sunderland.
Yesterday they scraped a 0-0 draw at home to Bolton in front of 33,000 spectators.
They now sit in the bottom half of League 1.
This could have been us.
Absolutely. Both Sunderland and Villa stank the Premier League out for two or three seasons and then eventually went down. Both clubs then struggled to some extent in the Championship, in Sunderland's case all the way down to league One where they are currently fifteenth. Our first season in the Championship when we finished 13th was disappointing at the time but looking back it was a solid season whilst we steadied the ship and learnt how to win a reasonable amount of games for the fist time in a while.
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Reasons to be cheerful ....... We’ve been pants for two months, yet aren’t cut adrift at the bottom, in fact we’re one win from safety. This group of players held their own and played good football earlier in the season so the underlying ability is there. After Burnley we’ve got nearly two weeks of respite before league action restarts so plenty of time to bed in our three transfer window loans/ signings, as each week passes SJM will be a weak closer to coming back fully fit how he started the season. Happy New Year Villains !
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The Championship wont be a surprise this time.
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There’s no VAR and we’d enjoy our weekends again
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The positives are,
1. The championship was quite enjoyable.
2. We can relish the fact we have jack for another 5 months.
Oh, maybe point 1 won’t apply next time once point 2 expires.
Bugger.
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There are so many clubs that are in danger of going down this year so we’ll get plenty of chances to sort this out.
We’ve reached the last 4 of one of the domestic cup competitions.
Our business in January can only improve us?
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There’s no VAR and we’d enjoy our weekends again
And every fookin Tuesday, the M1 night closures...
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We'll win more than 4 league games by the New Year.
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It'll be easier to buy a ticket again. Did loads of Championship games but only managed one this season!
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One positive- presently at least - is that so far, factions of our powder-fuelled younger away following haven’t started fighting each other in the stands...yet
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We can win two games and go mid table.
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We can only improve.
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We're going to get zillions for Jack.
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The transfer window opens in 2 days. We can be proactive and replace a dead duck manager and get in 2 or 3 to plug the gaps from the shite recruitment.
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It's going to be easier to get a ticket or two.
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We will improve with two or three signings in January and I'm confident we will be stay up.
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We’re going to do the double and be FA and League Cup winners.
Happy New Years to you all folks!
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Jack's fit and playing well in a poor team, Mings will be back soon, hopefully a new midfielder and forward will freshen things up.....There are also plenty of other dodgy teams in the league who will have terrible runs.
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We are not cut adrift. We only need 5-6 wins. If we could at least start drawing games that would be a massive plus.
This isn't a lost cause but we do need some experienced heads in the squad to help us become more solid.
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We can still win all 3 domestic trophies.
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We can still win all 3 domestic trophies.
:o ;D
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We can still win all 3 domestic trophies.
Don't know about that. Runners up in the PL will do😀
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We are Villa 8)
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Easy one today. We cannot be in the bottom three tonight as Bournemouth and Wet Spam play each other.
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We've won more games this season than Arsenal.
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We can still win all 3 domestic trophies.
It's on bitches!
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At least our players got crocked at the beginning of the transfer window and not the end
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For 2021/22
Well we have a full house for Villa Park matches and the support is back
And in Newcastle and Brentford 2 less challenging fixtures than playing a top 4 team.
We have some exciting players going forward and have the best goal keeper in the league
The squad has plenty of options and have players who can change matches from the bench.
Up the Villa!
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Yes, six points out of nine before the international break would be a decent return. Here's hoping.