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Title: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 05, 2019, 10:17:52 PM
I had a search to find out whether he had his own thread, and then when I couldn't find one I did wonder whether this snippet warranted a thread of its own. The conclusion I came to was that it definitely does. In fact, nothing in the history of this fine institution has ever been more deserving of its own thread. This is huge.

His middle name is Florence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_O%27Kelly
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on April 05, 2019, 10:20:09 PM
My grandmother is called Florence, but everyone calls her Floss, or Flo. I vote we call him Flo from now on.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 05, 2019, 10:21:40 PM
Dick Flo.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on April 05, 2019, 10:22:37 PM
Dick Flo.

Dicky Flo maybe
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Steve67 on April 05, 2019, 11:37:18 PM
Dick Flo O?
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 06, 2019, 12:00:45 AM
I don't think anyone has shown the reverence for Florence that I was hoping for. I think it's quite lovely.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 06, 2019, 09:17:34 AM
Slight tangent but Bob Wilson's middle name is Primrose 
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 06, 2019, 09:33:38 AM
It's a shame that he's only gained his own thread under these circumstances but it does beg the question of what the parents were thinking.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Chris Smith on April 06, 2019, 09:41:55 AM
It's a shame that he's only gained his own thread under these circumstances but it does beg the question of what the parents were thinking.

Perhaps he was conceived during a knee trembler on the Ponte Vecchio.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Sister of Top Cat on April 06, 2019, 12:06:47 PM
 Maybe it's his mother's maiden name. I have some relatives whose surname is Florence.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: eamonn on April 06, 2019, 12:12:41 PM
Definitely one for the supporters trust to interrogate at the next meeting.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: mr underhill on April 06, 2019, 12:15:25 PM
where are your family from Sister? We share something in common!
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 06, 2019, 12:19:54 PM
I saw him with James Wade earlier in the week, I said to my mate "look it's Florence and the Machine."



#i'llgetmecoat
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: dave shelley on April 06, 2019, 12:21:52 PM
There are a few men here in Ireland that I'm aware of whose middle name is Mary.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Damo70 on April 06, 2019, 12:22:14 PM
Dick Flo O?

That is his porn star name sorted. ;)
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 06, 2019, 12:40:29 PM
There are a few men here in Ireland that I'm aware of whose middle name is Mary.

Now I think of it, I was taught by a nun called Sister Kevin.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: KevinGage on April 06, 2019, 12:42:58 PM
Bless you my child.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Sister of Top Cat on April 06, 2019, 01:22:48 PM
where are your family from Sister? We share something in common!
Kirkby in Ashfield, Notts
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: mr underhill on April 06, 2019, 02:01:27 PM
mine all come from Warwickshire!
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Sister of Top Cat on April 06, 2019, 05:31:09 PM
mine all come from Warwickshire!
That's a shame - TC and I don't have many relatives!
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: UK Redsox on April 06, 2019, 06:38:32 PM
Slight tangent but Bob Wilson's middle name is Primrose 

Well i'd like to meet Stephenson the engineer
And i'd like to meet Faraday and buy him a beer
And i'd love to meet the bloke who had the bright idea of
Bob Wilson, anchorman
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: brian green on April 06, 2019, 08:00:47 PM
Wasn't Bingo Billy McNeill's middle name Blackadder.  Jack Lemmon's middle name is Uhler. (Uhlar? Uhla?).
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 28, 2019, 08:07:06 PM
People go round shaming Smith but I think this O'Kelly isn't exactly anything of note for a premier league level.
Sounds and acts rather lower league and I think bringing in some other coaches to aid and assist would be helpful.
O'Kelly just gives of a whiff of happy to be here and I bet he can't believe his luck.
Anyone questioning Smith (and JT ) has to also question this man and his pedigree
Good luck to him but don't know how effective he is in dealing with premier league players when he's been based at smaller places and less expectant clubs.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: rougegorge on December 28, 2019, 11:11:45 PM
People go round shaming Smith but I think this O'Kelly isn't exactly anything of note for a premier league level.
Sounds and acts rather lower league and I think bringing in some other coaches to aid and assist would be helpful.
O'Kelly just gives of a whiff of happy to be here and I bet he can't believe his luck.
Anyone questioning Smith (and JT ) has to also question this man and his pedigree
Good luck to him but don't know how effective he is in dealing with premier league players when he's been based at smaller places and less expectant clubs.
Well Smith clearly doesn't question his pedigree as he had him at Walsall and Brentford, so by that token, that would make Smith culpable for bringing him to VP in the first place.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 28, 2019, 11:32:07 PM
No, once again that sounds like a complete and utter load of fucking bullocks.

‘Sounds and Acts lower league’? What the fuck is that even supposed to mean? Do you know him then?
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 29, 2019, 12:40:46 AM
Think what you like I know how about football and how these things work.
JT connects the players with Smith and advises with defense
O'Kelly there to implement training, attacking  and familiarise the new players with Villas playing style
They both work on all aspects but O'Kelly has had no top flight history and i think is quite amenable to players rather than being much authority or running sessions that are being understood his work in attacking with Wesley has been pretty awful.
Of course hes very experienced and developed Maupay superbly well.
Seems to be struggling with dealing a Brazilian striker as well as his responsibility to run drills.

Smith allows shared responsibility for coaching but oversees and runs specific play and tactics .
O'kelly is his man he is there to assist in getting that message across to players in passing and movement off the ball.
Thank you.

Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Legion on August 12, 2021, 07:25:47 PM
Gone.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: PeterWithe on August 12, 2021, 07:32:48 PM
That's not good news on the back of Terry leaving as well.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 12, 2021, 07:34:08 PM
Christian Purslow always said this day could come and that we have planned for it 😉
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 12, 2021, 08:16:52 PM
Bit shocked. He's always followed DS around as number 2. Last managed at Hereford in 2012 so wonder who's offered him a job unless it's family reasons?
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: olaftab on August 12, 2021, 08:34:54 PM
Thanks Richard for promotion and escape from relegation. Good luck for the future.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: The Edge on August 12, 2021, 08:55:14 PM
The club could simply be streamlining the operation after both John Terry and Richard O'Kelly leave the club within days of each other. Or they could be making room for a coaching heavyweight to come in. Who knows? I'm not concerned in the slightest. They know what they're doing.
Thanks for your service Richard and good luck in the future.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Risso on August 12, 2021, 08:58:07 PM
The club could simply be streamlining the operation after both John Terry and Richard O'Kelly leave the club within days of each other. Or they could be making room for a coaching heavyweight to come in. Who knows? I'm not concerned in the slightest. They know what they're doing.
Thanks for your service Richard and good luck in the future.

Isn't it more likely that he's decided to leave rather than the club getting rid?
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Demitri_C on August 12, 2021, 08:59:09 PM
Thanks for your service Richard.  Best of luck in thw future.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2021, 09:01:50 PM
The club could simply be streamlining the operation after both John Terry and Richard O'Kelly leave the club within days of each other. Or they could be making room for a coaching heavyweight to come in. Who knows? I'm not concerned in the slightest. They know what they're doing.
Thanks for your service Richard and good luck in the future.

Isn't it more likely that he's decided to leave rather than the club getting rid?

Almost certainly.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: not3bad on August 12, 2021, 09:13:59 PM
Bit concerning. The effect of this Summer will cast a long shadow over the season.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 12, 2021, 09:17:40 PM
Blimey let’s not be overly pessimistic.

Thanks Richard, good luck in the future.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: DrGonzo on August 12, 2021, 09:33:27 PM
At 64 I hope he's decided to spend time with family and friends, thanks for all your efforts 🙏
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 12, 2021, 09:58:01 PM
Worrying.

Best player gone, two coaches down in a team that has consistently improved players, and half a team to bed in with a week until kick off.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Flin5tone on August 12, 2021, 09:59:54 PM
Very worrying.
2 of the Coaching Staff leaving in pre season one 2 nights before the opening Fixture is far from normal and makes me wonder what on earth is going on behind the scenes. No reason given as to why he has left the Football Club. I hope he is OK

Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: DrGonzo on August 12, 2021, 10:02:49 PM
And during a meteor shower!! The Gods must be angered, this could be like Ulysses 21 all over again!
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: charleeco7 on August 12, 2021, 10:03:51 PM
Rumour going around he was to be given an under 23 development role and decided not to take it so left.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 12, 2021, 10:05:17 PM
Rumour going around he was to be given an under 23 development role and decided not to take it so left.

Shabby way to treat him if true. Hopefully its bollocks and he just wanted to retire.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 12, 2021, 10:05:56 PM
Worrying.

Best player gone, two coaches down in a team that has consistently improved players, and half a team to bed in with a week until kick off.

Depends how you look at things I guess. On the flip side you could see it as a rookie coach who was learning with us looking to step out on his own, probably fairly minimal impact and the former lead assistant coach taking a step back a year after someone came into role in front of him. Also the addition of a set piece coach, which is an area of clear weakness. So it could be we’re down one in terms of numbers, but net it’s actually a more effective coaching team.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2021, 10:14:21 PM
Whichever way you look at it, a senior coach leaving 2 days before the start of the season is not a good thing.
I have no idea how important it is.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2021, 10:37:43 PM
Rumour going around he was to be given an under 23 development role and decided not to take it so left.

Shabby way to treat him if true. Hopefully its bollocks and he just wanted to retire.

Is it? The club wants to progress and he was excellent in getting us this far. But it has been decided that in order to move forward we need maybe a different approach and an attempt was made to offer him a role within the club. It's harsh in a way but it's also the realities tied to the business and we need to act a certain way to move forward and compete at the top end. If you look at Man City, Man U, Chelsea etc see how many coaches have come and gone from there, let alone managers. While I don't want us to sell our soul to get to the top I also accept there will be some tough decisions if we are to get there.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: john2710 on August 12, 2021, 10:38:53 PM
There's an awful lot of people jumping to all sorts of conclusions, without justification.

Just ask yourself, in the last 3 season's have the club made good decisions? We're in the best hands possible.

If he was being moved, then I'm sure the club have good reasons. Otherwise it's as simple as a 64 year old bloke is retiring.

Anyway thanks Richard & best if luck.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kell
Post by: tomd2103 on August 12, 2021, 11:54:12 PM
Whichever way you look at it, a senior coach leaving 2 days before the start of the season is not a good thing.
I have no idea how important it is.

Agree.  It's the timing which raises questions really.  Surely if he wanted to retire or was being lined up for a new role, then that would have been sorted at the end of last season, and not 2 days before the start of the new season.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Villafirst on August 13, 2021, 12:07:41 AM
You can dress it up anyway you like, but the timing is so poor with 2 days to go before the new season is upon us. Perhaps DS can explain it in the press conference tomorrow? However, I doubt we'll get the full picture. This is not good on the back of JT's departure.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 13, 2021, 12:51:37 AM
With Greaseball and his antics out the way training probably less stop start, more players actually getting a touch and a higher tempo of play, poor  Richard probably couldn't keep up.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: rooboy316 on August 13, 2021, 03:45:52 AM
There's an awful lot of people jumping to all sorts of conclusions, without justification.

Just ask yourself, in the last 3 season's have the club made good decisions? We're in the best hands possible.

If he was being moved, then I'm sure the club have good reasons. Otherwise it's as simple as a 64 year old bloke is retiring.

Anyway thanks Richard & best if luck.
I asked myself if the club as made good decisions in the last three years. The answer was yes. And I agree, we are in good hands and the owners deserve a lot of credit/benefit of doubt.

Doesn’t mean a) that every decision they make is a good one and b) that this particular instance was their decision to make

But yes, there is conjecture about what happened, because we don’t actually know what happened.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kell
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 13, 2021, 05:19:57 AM
Whichever way you look at it, a senior coach leaving 2 days before the start of the season is not a good thing.
I have no idea how important it is.

Agree.  It's the timing which raises questions really.  Surely if he wanted to retire or was being lined up for a new role, then that would have been sorted at the end of last season, and not 2 days before the start of the new season.
exactly you don’t plan to lose a First Team coach now.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: sid1964 on August 13, 2021, 06:47:30 AM
I would imagine that Dean was aware of Richard's decision for some time.

Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Demitri_C on August 13, 2021, 07:05:10 AM
Rumours rumours and more rumours. No one really knows what happened

The timings poor but i have faith in smith and purslow to get a upgrade in as soon as possible.

Shakespeare has a massive role at the club now it seems. Id be more concerned if it were him leaving
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Drummond on August 13, 2021, 07:22:39 AM
When Smith arrived it was him, O'Kelly and Terry.

Shakespeare and now MacPhee have joined and 2 have gone.

Square one.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: algy on August 13, 2021, 07:25:30 AM
Best of luck & health to him, seemed a lovely chap from the few clips of him on video I'd seen. The timing is odd, but I guess personal circumstances don't always change at the most convenient time either.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Flin5tone on August 13, 2021, 07:49:11 AM
Hopefully we get some more information today. A coach who is very Friends with Dean and has been with him throughout his Career to leave so close to the big Kick Off is absolutely bizzare. 
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Clampy on August 13, 2021, 08:10:20 AM
Hopefully we get some more information today. A coach who is very Friends with Dean and has been with him throughout his Career to leave so close to the big Kick Off is absolutely bizzare. 

A man leaving his job is not 'absolutley bizarre' at all. Don't be so ridiculous. Again.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: jwarry on August 13, 2021, 08:15:49 AM
I suspect it’s all to do with Shakespeare flexing his muscles, leaving RoK and JT on the sidelines.  I see no problem with this if Deano thinks Craig is the man to take us to the next level.  It will be interesting to see if anyone else comes in as I’m sure they would be Craig’s choice
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: brontebilly on August 13, 2021, 09:03:56 AM
With Greaseball and his antics out the way training probably less stop start, more players actually getting a touch and a higher tempo of play, poor  Richard probably couldn't keep up.

Brilliant !
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 13, 2021, 09:09:50 AM
He’s also 64 maybe he’s decided you know what, I’m done.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 13, 2021, 09:12:49 AM
You can dress it up anyway you like, but the timing is so poor with 2 days to go before the new season is upon us. Perhaps DS can explain it in the press conference tomorrow? However, I doubt we'll get the full picture. This is not good on the back of JT's departure.

Perhaps it was agreed weeks ago and he was serving notice? Perhaps he decided last season but coaches get paid throughout the summer and he didn't see the point of turning down free wages? Doesn't seem too much worth worrying about, to me. The club may well already have plans in place.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 13, 2021, 09:15:24 AM
FWIW
- ROK moving role been on cards for a while but stayed put due to JT's unplanned exit
- He was earmarked to take the under 23's - he didn't fancy it so has now left
- Overall we are looking at coaching upgrades
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: not3bad on August 13, 2021, 09:18:35 AM
Would be good if Dean Smith clarified the situation at the press conference. I'm not always mad interested to watch these but it feels different with it being the first game of the season and after such a tumultuous summer.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: chrisw1 on August 13, 2021, 09:25:59 AM
I think it's reasonable for people to express concern when a senior coach leaves two days before the start of the season, on the back of another senior coach leaving a few weeks ago.

Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: sickbeggar on August 13, 2021, 09:57:53 AM
Strange timing I guess but i doubt whether he sprung it on Smith at the last moment. From what's been said if he was asked to stay on when Terry left then it makes sense with pre-season over. Wouldn't be surprised if we see Tony Adams arrive with MacPhee here now
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: aev on August 13, 2021, 10:07:57 AM
Strange timing I guess but i doubt whether he sprung it on Smith at the last moment. From what's been said if he was asked to stay on when Terry left then it makes sense with pre-season over. Wouldn't be surprised if we see Tony Adams arrive with MacPhee here now

Tony Adams?

That video of him running that training session is very funny.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: sickbeggar on August 13, 2021, 10:12:44 AM
Strange timing I guess but i doubt whether he sprung it on Smith at the last moment. From what's been said if he was asked to stay on when Terry left then it makes sense with pre-season over. Wouldn't be surprised if we see Tony Adams arrive with MacPhee here now

Tony Adams?

That video of him running that training session is very funny.

Aye. Played evil accountant Adam Chance. Used to come into the kitchen criticising MacPhee wasting food and MacPhee would storm off. Noele Gordon would then have to persuade him to come back.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 13, 2021, 10:59:26 AM
Was worried about this one, but having read the statements from Smith and O'Kelly I am much less concerned. It seems pretty amicable, and I am guessing Shakespeare is very much the no.2 rather than O'Kelly or Terry and he is now settled in anyway. McPhee has joined the team too and cutler is still there. I am sure we will be bringing in more coaches in the next few weeks.

It is also a sign of a more ruthless and ambitious side to Smith, which he will need. Ferguson regularly changed things up on the coaching front, letting long term friend Brian Kidd go for instance and it worked out fine for him.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 13, 2021, 11:11:29 AM
Strange timing I guess but i doubt whether he sprung it on Smith at the last moment. From what's been said if he was asked to stay on when Terry left then it makes sense with pre-season over. Wouldn't be surprised if we see Tony Adams arrive with MacPhee here now

Tony Adams?

That video of him running that training session is very funny.

Aye. Played evil accountant Adam Chance. Used to come into the kitchen criticising MacPhee wasting food and MacPhee would storm off. Noele Gordon would then have to persuade him to come back.

Sid Hooper from the garage nearly bought Villa didn’t he?
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 13, 2021, 11:40:43 AM
Always knew it was on the cards when Jane Rossingrton was bought into coach the women.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: eamonn on August 13, 2021, 11:48:49 AM
64 is no age these days and he's trim, not phat. I would have expected him down at BH for another decade yet.

One of the old school...funny seeing him greet the new foreign signings on AVTV, proper down to earth welcome. Not sure how much they understood!
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Demitri_C on August 13, 2021, 12:13:42 PM
Wouldnt be suprised if he ends up back at brentford
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: john e on August 13, 2021, 01:08:34 PM
Strange timing I guess but i doubt whether he sprung it on Smith at the last moment. From what's been said if he was asked to stay on when Terry left then it makes sense with pre-season over. Wouldn't be surprised if we see Tony Adams arrive with MacPhee here now

Tony Adams?

That video of him running that training session is very funny.

Aye. Played evil accountant Adam Chance. Used to come into the kitchen criticising MacPhee wasting food and MacPhee would storm off. Noele Gordon would then have to persuade him to come back.

Sid Hooper from the garage nearly bought Villa didn’t he?


Jim Bains massive Villa fan
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Damo70 on August 13, 2021, 01:36:41 PM
Was worried about this one, but having read the statements from Smith and O'Kelly I am much less concerned. It seems pretty amicable, and I am guessing Shakespeare is very much the no.2 rather than O'Kelly or Terry and he is now settled in anyway. McPhee has joined the team too and cutler is still there. I am sure we will be bringing in more coaches in the next few weeks.

It is also a sign of a more ruthless and ambitious side to Smith, which he will need. Ferguson regularly changed things up on the coaching front, letting long term friend Brian Kidd go for instance and it worked out fine for him.

I seem to recall that Alex Ferguson was pretty pissed off about Brian Kidd's departure to take over at Blackburn. Especially as Blackburn had been genuine challengers to Manure for a while around that time.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 13, 2021, 01:49:30 PM
Maybe ROK wasn't expecting to remain as #4 following the departure of Terry and  the recruitment of McPhee.
I hope the club (Lange?) is looking at recruiting a younger coach with a fresh outlook of the game- I'm not being ageist - I am the same age as ROK, and am probably too set in my ways to make wide ranging changes to my approach to work and modern working practices.
Hopefully the decision was not "personal" and it will not affect Smiths` day to day management of things at the club.
It will be interesting to see who is recruited for the position. Good look to ROK wherever he chooses to go to.   
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2021, 02:29:55 PM
Strange timing I guess but i doubt whether he sprung it on Smith at the last moment. From what's been said if he was asked to stay on when Terry left then it makes sense with pre-season over. Wouldn't be surprised if we see Tony Adams arrive with MacPhee here now

Tony Adams?

That video of him running that training session is very funny.

Aye. Played evil accountant Adam Chance. Used to come into the kitchen criticising MacPhee wasting food and MacPhee would storm off. Noele Gordon would then have to persuade him to come back.

Sid Hooper from the garage nearly bought Villa didn’t he?

He was part of the showbiz consortium that allegedly included Max Bygraves.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 13, 2021, 02:39:33 PM
Strange timing I guess but i doubt whether he sprung it on Smith at the last moment. From what's been said if he was asked to stay on when Terry left then it makes sense with pre-season over. Wouldn't be surprised if we see Tony Adams arrive with MacPhee here now

Tony Adams?

That video of him running that training session is very funny.

Aye. Played evil accountant Adam Chance. Used to come into the kitchen criticising MacPhee wasting food and MacPhee would storm off. Noele Gordon would then have to persuade him to come back.

Sid Hooper from the garage nearly bought Villa didn’t he?

He was part of the showbiz consortium that allegedly included Max Bygraves.

Wasn’t there a tale on here years ago about Max Bygraves being a Villa fan? Or did I dream it
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: paul_e on August 13, 2021, 02:42:14 PM
Maybe ROK wasn't expecting to remain as #4 following the departure of Terry and  the recruitment of McPhee.
I hope the club (Lange?) is looking at recruiting a younger coach with a fresh outlook of the game- I'm not being ageist - I am the same age as ROK, and am probably too set in my ways to make wide ranging changes to my approach to work and modern working practices.
Hopefully the decision was not "personal" and it will not affect Smiths` day to day management of things at the club.
It will be interesting to see who is recruited for the position. Good look to ROK wherever he chooses to go to.   

If you accept the comments from Smith and ROK it was 'personal' but not in a bad way. By all accounts we were looking to move some of the coaches around which would've meant ROK working largely with the U23s and he decided that wasn't the move for him. There doesn't appear to be any animosity, in fact apparently he agreed to stay in position for a few extra weeks because of Smith isolating and Terry leaving and has moved now because the timing works.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 13, 2021, 02:56:27 PM
Strange timing I guess but i doubt whether he sprung it on Smith at the last moment. From what's been said if he was asked to stay on when Terry left then it makes sense with pre-season over. Wouldn't be surprised if we see Tony Adams arrive with MacPhee here now

Tony Adams?

That video of him running that training session is very funny.

Aye. Played evil accountant Adam Chance. Used to come into the kitchen criticising MacPhee wasting food and MacPhee would storm off. Noele Gordon would then have to persuade him to come back.

Sid Hooper from the garage nearly bought Villa didn’t he?

He was part of the showbiz consortium that allegedly included Max Bygraves.

Wasn’t there a tale on here years ago about Max Bygraves being a Villa fan? Or did I dream it

My late father was friendly with George Edwards, Harry Parkes and Stan Lynn and attended a few events with them - Max Bygraves was often in attendance and part of that particular social group - he was probably a Villa "fan" in the same way as Tom Hanks is considered one
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 17, 2021, 09:25:54 PM
Why does someone leave 2 days before a new season

Has there been any explanation?
Or at least a PR version .

Very interesting for something like this to happen. And it's clearly had an impact on Saturday performance of the players .
As has Grealish and Terry leaving.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: not3bad on August 17, 2021, 10:30:59 PM
Why does someone leave 2 days before a new season

Has there been any explanation?
Or at least a PR version .

Very interesting for something like this to happen. And it's clearly had an impact on Saturday performance of the players .
As has Grealish and Terry leaving.

The explanation given was that he would have left earlier but with John Terry leaving and Dean Smith isolating he stayed a little past the date he planned to leave to keep things ticking over at Bodymoor Heath.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Drummond on August 17, 2021, 10:39:29 PM
Why does someone leave 2 days before a new season

. And it's clearly had an impact on Saturday performance of the players .
As has Grealish and Terry leaving.

1. Because that's the right time for them to go.
2. No, it clearly didn't. What's the evidence gun going had anything at all to do with it?
3. Grealish will have done as he was obviously a key part of the team, but Terry not so much.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 18, 2021, 09:24:44 AM
Well to me it looked clear because that's the first time Villa performance was like that since 2018/19.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 18, 2021, 09:29:18 AM
Strange timing I guess but i doubt whether he sprung it on Smith at the last moment. From what's been said if he was asked to stay on when Terry left then it makes sense with pre-season over. Wouldn't be surprised if we see Tony Adams arrive with MacPhee here now

Tony Adams?

That video of him running that training session is very funny.

Aye. Played evil accountant Adam Chance. Used to come into the kitchen criticising MacPhee wasting food and MacPhee would storm off. Noele Gordon would then have to persuade him to come back.

Sid Hooper from the garage nearly bought Villa didn’t he?

He was part of the showbiz consortium that allegedly included Max Bygraves.

Wasn’t there a tale on here years ago about Max Bygraves being a Villa fan? Or did I dream it

My late father was friendly with George Edwards, Harry Parkes and Stan Lynn and attended a few events with them - Max Bygraves was often in attendance and part of that particular social group - he was probably a Villa "fan" in the same way as Tom Hanks is considered one
Pretty sure Bygraves was Millwall
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Bad English on August 18, 2021, 09:59:09 AM
He’s also 64 maybe he’s decided you know what, I’m done.
It looks like I'm going to have to work until I'm 64. I won't be doing a day more than necessary. I don't care if it is in the middle of a term.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2021, 10:06:58 AM
Teachers get tired long before 64.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: passport1 on August 18, 2021, 10:18:51 AM
Most teachers that I know retire at the earliest opportunity. It's a tough gig.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 18, 2021, 10:32:01 AM
Most teachers that I know retire at the earliest opportunity. It's a tough gig.
I can think of tougher gigs.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2021, 10:35:29 AM
By the way, O'Kelly didn't really walk-out on the eve of the season. He told Dean at the beginning of the summer that he wanted to leave but offered/agreed to stay on longer than his notice period.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Risso on August 18, 2021, 10:39:14 AM
By the way, O'Kelly didn't really walk-out on the eve of the season. He told Dean at the beginning of the summer that he wanted to leave but offered/agreed to stay on longer than his notice period.

Is that correct? I've seen it reported that he stayed longer than intended to help out, but not that he had told Smith earlier.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2021, 12:12:51 PM
I think Dean said it in one of his Pravda interviews.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Bad English on August 18, 2021, 12:26:03 PM
Most teachers that I know retire at the earliest opportunity. It's a tough gig.
I can think of tougher gigs.
Thank you for your input.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: rooboy316 on August 18, 2021, 12:32:02 PM
Most teachers that I know retire at the earliest opportunity. It's a tough gig.
I can think of tougher gigs.
I can think of easier gigs.

What’s the next step to this game?
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: ROBBO on August 18, 2021, 01:40:17 PM
Great admiration for teachers, even more so after home schooling. I try to help two of the grandkids can't imagine what it's like teaching a classful of kids.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Malandro on August 18, 2021, 01:47:52 PM
Most teachers that I know retire at the earliest opportunity. It's a tough gig.
I can think of tougher gigs.
Thank you for your input.

It's pick on BE week!
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 18, 2021, 02:31:53 PM
Most teachers that I know retire at the earliest opportunity. It's a tough gig.
I can think of tougher gigs.
Thank you for your input.

It's pick on BE week!
Not by me, I could probably handle the teaching bit, the dealing with the little darlings parents would be my problem.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Malandro on August 18, 2021, 02:40:06 PM
Most teachers that I know retire at the earliest opportunity. It's a tough gig.
I can think of tougher gigs.
Thank you for your input.

It's pick on BE week!
Not by me, I could probably handle the teaching bit, the dealing with the little darlings parents would be my problem.

Not aimed at you, I was just joking.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2021, 02:46:48 PM
Nah its the kids. Horrible things. Including my own.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: algy on August 18, 2021, 04:49:27 PM
Great admiration for teachers, even more so after home schooling. I try to help two of the grandkids can't imagine what it's like teaching a classful of kids.
+1 for me. Teachers are marvelous.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: charlatan on August 18, 2021, 05:09:00 PM
The old man retired at 50 because he didn't need the money, particularly with nice manipulation of the final salary pension. It was a doddle for him teaching the same lessons year after year. OTOH I tried teacher training and wasn't comfortable with either the performance element or the staff room. Didn't feel I belonged there and still wouldn't. Neither of those issues applies with homeschooling, but the authority dynamics can still be tricky.

Some teachers are great, some are rubbish.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Bad English on August 18, 2021, 06:37:13 PM
Most teachers that I know retire at the earliest opportunity. It's a tough gig.
I can think of tougher gigs.
Thank you for your input.

It's pick on BE week!
Not by me, I could probably handle the teaching bit, the dealing with the little darlings parents would be my problem.
Nah. It's whataboutery week!
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: clash city rocker on August 18, 2021, 06:44:50 PM
Those that do , do. And those that cant teach.
I'll get me coat..!!!And a getaway car...!!
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Malandro on August 18, 2021, 06:48:30 PM
Some claims that Kelly had been demoted to the U23s, so quit.

Odd if true.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 18, 2021, 07:57:57 PM
We need honest answers
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Flin5tone on August 18, 2021, 10:41:38 PM
Something not right at the Club , very suspicious of the Departure.  ROK more alarming than JT
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Legion on August 18, 2021, 10:45:03 PM
Some claims that Kelly had been demoted to the U23s, so quit.

Odd if true.

Not true.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Fred Crump on August 18, 2021, 10:53:23 PM
I’ve just retired at the age of 61 because I’m knackered and want to enjoy life a bit. Richard is 64, so maybe it’s no more sinister than he’s a bit tired of doing a job where he is on his feet all day and just wants to get his life back.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 18, 2021, 11:21:37 PM
By the way, O'Kelly didn't really walk-out on the eve of the season. He told Dean at the beginning of the summer that he wanted to leave but offered/agreed to stay on longer than his notice period.

Is that correct? I've seen it reported that he stayed longer than intended to help out, but not that he had told Smith earlier.

Well make of what you will.
Football insider reporter Wayne Veysey.
"But a Villa source has told Football Insider that the experienced coach had no intention of leaving until the club moved to sideline him shortly before the new Premier League campaign.

O’Kelly was told he would be taking on a new role coaching the Under-23s rather than the first team he had worked with during his three years at the club.
The former Brentford coach, who had worked alongside Smith for 10 years, resisted Villa’s move and instead offered his resignation."
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 18, 2021, 11:27:51 PM
Well make of what you will.
Football insider reporter Wayne Veysey.

He's probably as reliable as his brother Royston.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Risso on August 18, 2021, 11:33:38 PM
I’ve just retired at the age of 61 because I’m knackered and want to enjoy life a bit. Richard is 64, so maybe it’s no more sinister than he’s a bit tired of doing a job where he is on his feet all day and just wants to get his life back.

Reports say he's not retiring, and wants to carry on working in football.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 19, 2021, 01:24:34 AM
I'm far from convinced that we'd move a coach sideways/backwards to the U23s given the emphasis we seem to be placing on youth development and coaching. It's not like 40 years ago where you could just put someone out to pasture with the reserves.
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Fred Crump on August 19, 2021, 01:32:37 AM
I’ve just retired at the age of 61 because I’m knackered and want to enjoy life a bit. Richard is 64, so maybe it’s no more sinister than he’s a bit tired of doing a job where he is on his feet all day and just wants to get his life back.

Reports say he's not retiring, and wants to carry on working in football.

Oh, ok, I thought he was packing it in .
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 19, 2021, 03:17:42 AM
Some claims that Kelly had been demoted to the U23s, so quit.

Odd if true.

Not true.

You know it not to be true or just doubt it? Vinnie did say he was earmarked for the U-23s and did not fancy that (understandably so).
Title: Re: Richard O'Kelly
Post by: Villafirst on August 19, 2021, 06:23:29 AM
It'd be nice if ROK himself explained why he quit the role only 2 days before the season was due to start. I'm not convinced about Dean Smith's explanation when he was questioned in last week's press conference.
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