Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on March 12, 2019, 12:42:30 PM
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I'm putting this here because it's Villa-related but also because I want as many people as possible to see it.
In their coverage of Sunday's game the Sun made a disgraceful allegation about the Justice for the 21 campaign. I'm not going to link to it, I'm not even going to repeat it because it was false, hurtful and contemptible even by their low standards. All I can say is to repeat what I've always said - don't buy the Sun. Ask everyone you know not to buy the Sun. Ask your newsagent not to stock it. Tell them why, and ask them how they'd feel if it was their family involved.
They've already tarnished 96 memories. Now they're doing the same to another 21.
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Never have, never will.
Scum.
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Agreed, fuck the Sun.
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I don't buy the Sun for obvious reasons even though there is an Irish issue. I have no idea what they alluded to but if those others that don't buy it either, how are they/we going to get the message across to those that sell and buy it if, when asked for a reason not to can't offer another reason. Hillsborough notwithstanding. I would appreciate a pm giving me details of the latest bile they have used to sully the continued suffering of these families.
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Preaching to the converted I would hope for most on here, Dave.
There was a collection for the campaign by the Holte Hotel before the Derby game.
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Preaching to the converted I would hope for most on here, Dave.
There was a collection for the campaign by the Holte Hotel before the Derby game.
They were also collecting outside the North Stand as well, I gave and had to take issue with another Villa fan (older than me and I am almost 60) who asked me why I was giving to what was in his opinion a obvious scam!!
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Who does buy The Sun?
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Crap paper. Never to be read again.
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I have suggested before that others might do as I do. Whenever I go to anywhere that sells The S*n I pick up any other paper, preferably not the Heil, the Torygraph or the Excess, and place it over Murdoch's shit sheet. The brain dead think the shit is sold out.
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Birmingham Mail website has coverage of The S*n's comments and the WMP response
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I don't buy the Sun for obvious reasons even though there is an Irish issue. I have no idea what they alluded to but if those others that don't buy it either, how are they/we going to get the message across to those that sell and buy it if, when asked for a reason not to can't offer another reason. Hillsborough notwithstanding. I would appreciate a pm giving me details of the latest bile they have used to sully the continued suffering of these families.
A quick google of Sun and Justice for the 21 will give plenty of examples from Twitter of the lies and the response from good people including Bluenoses.
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I went to Berlin for the weekend and flew Easyjet. There were free copies for passengers so I just kept saying, rather loudly, 'Don't buy the Sun'. The Times was the other paper. A lot changed their minds and whilst it didn't make a difference to their sales that day, hopefully it did for the future.
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I don't know anyone in my :o inner circle :o who buys the Sun and the next time I hire a plumber, electrician or decorator I'll ask them not to carry it in. In my village I know lots of
racist bigots old gentleman who stroll out of the Coop with their faithful oracle the Daily Mail. What should I say to them ???
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Written by ****** for arseholes.
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When something like an accurate history of the past 40 years emerges, that paper (so scummy that some of their own journalists won't have it in their own homes) will be judged to have been one of the prime movers in creating the toxic social atmosphere that we're now experiencing.
Could cite numerous examples - in addition to Hillsborough and Justice for the 21 - but setting working people against each other and sabotaging people's economic well-being (Toffs' organised Brexshit); supporting the Iraq war; converting everyday patriotism into right-wing nationalism; parent company News International, hacking the phones of murdered schoolgirls and of dead soldiers and their families and so, bloody on.
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I have suggested before that others might do as I do. Whenever I go to anywhere that sells The S*n I pick up any other paper, preferably not the Heil, the Torygraph or the Excess, and place it over Murdoch's shit sheet. The brain dead think the shit is sold out.
Great idea Brian.
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The great irony is of course that Soaraway Shitsheet sprang from the butchered body of a bloody good newspaper The Daily Herald.
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Agree 100%, they also ridiculed SGT, fuck the sun
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I haven't looked at it since that disgraceful GOTCHA headline.
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Never have, never will. I read the Guardian, ohh get me!!!
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The great irony is of course that Soaraway Shitsheet sprang from the butchered body of a bloody good newspaper The Daily Herald.
Went out of business with a large circulation, but couldn't get advertising revenue because of it's left wing stance. Says everything about where we are today.
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I don't even believe the tits in the sun. I think they're fake.
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Don't, won't and never will.
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It is almost impossible up here in Liverpool to buy the Sun.Some shops even have signs outside saying they don't sell it
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If I ever did but that shitrag, I'd have to buy a copy of Razzle to hide it inside.
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When on holiday my wife and I pass the time between swims and snifters watching the S*n and Heil readers scurrying back to their rooms with their daily fix of bile, lies and bigotry clutched tightly to their lobster red bellies.
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Our local shop struggle to give it away. It’s free most days and most don’t take it.
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Our local shop struggle to give it away. It’s free most days and most don’t take it.
Take a copy, find their address, put it in an envelope, post it back to them to them but don't pay any postage. just drop it in a post box once it's addressed. It will cost the scum money to receive their own shit back.
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I’ll give it a go next time!
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I have never bought the Sun. I was told at an early age that "that Tory Rag" is not coming in this house!
This was well before Hillsborough. A hateful paper read by imbeciles.
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As an Irish person, I refuse to buy the rag that is The Guardian. Up to others here whether they follow suit.
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As an Irish person, I refuse to buy the rag that is The Guardian. Up to others here whether they follow suit.
A newspaper that idolises war criminal Tony Blair and rehabilitated George W Bush? Couldn’t agree more.
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As an Irish person, I refuse to buy the rag that is The Guardian. Up to others here whether they follow suit.
What about the S*n?
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When something like an accurate history of the past 40 years emerges, that paper (so scummy that some of their own journalists won't have it in their own homes) will be judged to have been one of the prime movers in creating the toxic social atmosphere that we're now experiencing.
Could cite numerous examples - in addition to Hillsborough and Justice for the 21 - but setting working people against each other and sabotaging people's economic well-being (Toffs' organised Brexshit); supporting the Iraq war; converting everyday patriotism into right-wing nationalism; parent company News International, hacking the phones of murdered schoolgirls and of dead soldiers and their families and so, bloody on.
Whenever I see Tom Newton-Dunn, their political editor, on news programmes, he comes across to me as an employee who wouldn't buy his employer's products. I've also read recent articles from former S*n editors, David Yelland and Stig Abel where they've come across to me as trying to distance themselves from the shite that rag peddles.
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Who wrote the article?
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As an Irish person, I refuse to buy the rag that is The Guardian. Up to others here whether they follow suit.
Yeah, that whole Guardian anti Irish agenda.
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Justin Allen wrote it.
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As an Irish person, I refuse to buy the rag that is The Guardian. Up to others here whether they follow suit.
Eh? Any explanation?
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Justin Allen wrote it.
Their EFL guy then. Just don't understand how a non descript journalist could come to that viewpoint, Rod Liddle or Littlejohn I'd expect it.
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Even by the standards of that scumrag it's some going to turn what it was into what they claimed it was. Bunch of ******.
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Justin Allen wrote it.
Their EFL guy then. Just don't understand how a non descript journalist could come to that viewpoint, Rod Liddle or Littlejohn I'd expect it.
And the desperate sod was signing himself up to sha pages on Facebook and then posting links to his article with descriptions designed to get them to kick off over it.
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The Sun have released a statement - "We wrote our story in good faith but in light of info received after publication we will be clarifying the story in tomorrows newspaper".
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Maybe they could try doing some research before tarnishing people's reputations? Fucking twats.
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But dont journalists need to corroborate information before it goes to print from at least 2 sources - have they not seen All the Presidents men?
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F*ck the S*n
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F*ck the S*n
Absolutely this.
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As an Irish person, I refuse to buy the rag that is The Guardian. Up to others here whether they follow suit.
Yeah, that whole Guardian anti Irish agenda.
I must admit I have missed the anti Irish agenda, are you saying it is more anti Irish than the Daily Mail and other papers? I have certainly read articles looking at the Ballymurphy killings, and did for Bloody Sunday. If there are specific articles being racist against Irish, then I missed them.
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As an Irish person, I refuse to buy the rag that is The Guardian. Up to others here whether they follow suit.
Yeah, that whole Guardian anti Irish agenda.
I must admit I have missed the anti Irish agenda, are you saying it is more anti Irish than the Daily Mail and other papers? I have certainly read articles looking at the Ballymurphy killings, and did for Bloody Sunday. If there are specific articles being racist against Irish, then I missed them.
Anti Protestant Irish maybe?
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Any chance a kind person could pm me the article I despise the rag with a passion but would like to know what they've written (and can't seem to see the offending article with my search)
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It's news to me that The Grauniad is anti-Irish.
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An anagram of the Grauniad is 'I'd gun the IRA'.
Its this sort of subversive message that makes people distrust the msmTM
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I've stopped buying it any idea of a decent morning paper to buy instead ?
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I've stopped buying it any idea of a decent morning paper to buy instead ?
I like i. It's fairly unbiased and full of news with not too much opinion.
Meanwhile, my take on today's chip paper.
http://thebirminghampress.com/2019/03/total-eclipse-of-the-sun/
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An anagram of the Grauniad is 'I'd gun the IRA'.
Its this sort of subversive message that makes people distrust the msmTM
No it isn't.
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Had a quick search and I’m guessing it is because of the Julie Burchill business from the early noughties. I’m assuming he never looks at the Daily Mail and the Sun as well for similar reasons. And also stopped watching Jeremy Clarkson after the producer incident.
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I've stopped buying it any idea of a decent morning paper to buy instead ?
I don't really read papers these days but good on ya for giving up that rag.
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Had a quick search and I’m guessing it is because of the Julie Burchill business from the early noughties. I’m assuming he never looks at the Daily Mail and the Sun as well for similar reasons. [And also stopped watching Jeremy Clarkson after the producer incident.
Obviously. Clarkson is the Daily Mail in human form surely?
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I've stopped buying it any idea of a decent morning paper to buy instead ?
I like i. It's fairly unbiased and full of news with not too much opinion.
Meanwhile, my take on today's chip paper.
http://thebirminghampress.com/2019/03/total-eclipse-of-the-sun/
I wouldn't wrap my chips in it....
Nice article though Dave
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Personally I like the I - relatively straightforward and a big emphasis on science and innovation
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I buy the Sun occasionally. And I will continue to do so.
I think its hypocrisy if you watch Sky Sports and rant on about this topic as they are companies ultimately owned by the same individuals. Your money goes to the same corporation does it not?
Its also a private newspaper nobody is forced to buy unless they choose to consume its content. I am sure some people enjoy reading the Guardian. Despite me thinking its an atrocious left wing rag I am not trying to stop people buying it (small pool to fish from anyway).
As for J421. I have supported them with money, vigils and met the familes over the last 5 years ago and I have supported them ever since and will continue to do so. Very brave people who I hope they get the justice they are fighting for.
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I buy the Sun occasionally. And I will continue to do so.
I think its hypocrisy if you watch Sky Sports and rant on about this topic as they are companies ultimately owned by the same individuals. Your money goes to the same corporation does it not?
Its also a private newspaper nobody is forced to buy unless they choose to consume its content. I am sure some people enjoy reading the Guardian. Despite me thinking its an atrocious left wing rag I am not trying to stop people buying it (small pool to fish from anyway).
As for J421. I have supported them with money, vigils and met the familes over the last 5 years ago and I have supported them ever since and will continue to do so. Very brave people who I hope they get the justice they are fighting for.
I buy the Sun occasionally. And I will continue to do so.
I think its hypocrisy if you watch Sky Sports and rant on about this topic as they are companies ultimately owned by the same individuals. Your money goes to the same corporation does it not?
Its also a private newspaper nobody is forced to buy unless they choose to consume its content. I am sure some people enjoy reading the Guardian. Despite me thinking its an atrocious left wing rag I am not trying to stop people buying it (small pool to fish from anyway).
Thats very gracious of you; thank you for your blessing.
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Had a quick search and I’m guessing it is because of the Julie Burchill business from the early noughties. I’m assuming he never looks at the Daily Mail and the Sun as well for similar reasons. And also stopped watching Jeremy Clarkson after the producer incident.
Exactly but apparently it was just a bit of iconoclastic polemic according to The Guardian. Isn't that what that Tommy Robinson fella indulges in?
The fact that they would employ someone of her ilk says it all
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/archive/julie-burchill/julie-burchill-irish-nationalism-about-as-radical-as-islam-28573094.html
Still at it
https://london.eater.com/2018/1/26/16933806/julie-burchill-anti-irish-sentiment-nuala-es-mag-restaurant-review
I don't buy any of the tabloids but as a Tory supporter would add The Mirror to the avoid list. The only paper I've bought on a habitual basis was The Independent around 1990 before its decline.
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I buy the Sun occasionally. And I will continue to do so.
I would never have guessed.
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The only paper I've bought on a habitual basis was The Independent around 1990 before its decline.
The online version is now an absolute disgrace. Horrible click bait propaganda machine.
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The only paper I've bought on a habitual basis was The Independent around 1990 before its decline.
The online version is now an absolute disgrace. Horrible click bait propaganda machine.
I used to read it especially on a Sunday but I gave up about 12 months ago because it had become awful.
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I've stopped buying it any idea of a decent morning paper to buy instead ?
I like i. It's fairly unbiased and full of news with not too much opinion.
Meanwhile, my take on today's chip paper.
http://thebirminghampress.com/2019/03/total-eclipse-of-the-sun/
Thanks for that Dave great read again.
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Never bought a copy of that rag and never will. Heinous newspaper with bigoted "journalists"
I was working in Liverpool in 2006 and went in to the nearest newsagents for some Rizlas. One of the young lads off the job asked in all innocence "have you sold out of the Sun as there's non on the rack" The look on his face when an old boy in the queue told him to "fuck off pal" was unforgettable. To be fair to the lad he was born in 1987 and wasn't aware of the offence he'd caused. Humour can be found in the most unexpected places and circumstances.
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The only paper I've bought on a habitual basis was The Independent around 1990 before its decline.
The online version is now an absolute disgrace. Horrible click bait propaganda machine.
I used to read it especially on a Sunday but I gave up about 12 months ago because it had become awful.
I think you are at an age now where you need reading glasses ;) I found, a few years ago, that reading the sunday papers was awfully painful so I gave up. That was until I had some corrective glasses and hey presto reading was much easier again however reading Mail On Sunday was still painful.
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I buy the Sun occasionally. And I will continue to do so.
I think its hypocrisy if you watch Sky Sports and rant on about this topic as they are companies ultimately owned by the same individuals. Your money goes to the same corporation does it not?
Its also a private newspaper nobody is forced to buy unless they choose to consume its content. I am sure some people enjoy reading the Guardian. Despite me thinking its an atrocious left wing rag I am not trying to stop people buying it (small pool to fish from anyway).
As for J421. I have supported them with money, vigils and met the familes over the last 5 years ago and I have supported them ever since and will continue to do so. Very brave people who I hope they get the justice they are fighting for.
Thats very gracious of you; thank you for your blessing.
And also thank you for a very Donald like speech.
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I haven’t bought a paper for few years now but I know the difference between a slightly annoying, fulll of itself paper like the Guardian and a nasty, lying rag like the Sun, which accused football fans of pissing on dead bodies and robbing from corpses. Don’t buy it, don’t click on it would be my advice.
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Last time I read read the Sun was about 5 years ago, when I was on my own in a pub waiting for my mates, and somebody had left the paper on a table. Think it took me about 2 minutes to read it from front to back, the paper's absolutely crap. The depressing thing is it's still the country's most popular paper.
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The Sun's ownership isn't the problem. Its content is the problem. Ask Rita Taylor.
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I buy the Sun occasionally. And I will continue to do so...
...As for J421. I have supported them with money, vigils and met the familes over the last 5 years ago and I have supported them ever since and will continue to do so. Very brave people who I hope they get the justice they are fighting for.
And yet you're happy to buy a paper that denigrates them and undermines their cause, the same paper that's vilified you as a football supporter and insulted a Villa legend. Even with that knowledge you've got no problem buying it. I wouldn't have thought you'd need to be told not to.
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VCTM Jnr , now aged 18 ,recently let on to me that he had been doing Brian Greens` trick of hiding the Scum for years - ie covering with another paper whenever he went in a newsagent or supermarket away from our Merseyside home - you still don't still it sold very often in these parts - sometimes a change of shop owner/keeper sees a reappearance of the rag but that is usually remedied when the new owner learns of the reasons for locals shunning the "paper"
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I'd rather be seen buying a copy of Readers' Wives than that rag.
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The depressing thing is it's still the country's most popular paper.
With The Daily Mail a close second and both outsell The Guardian 9 or 10:1.
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The depressing thing is it's still the country's most popular paper.
With The Daily Mail a close second and both outsell The Guardian 9 or 10:1.
Those statistics are very apparent now with the birth of Social Media. You now realise nearly half the people you know, or I should say do not really know have some very nasty and narrow minded views and beliefs.
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I'd rather be seen buying a copy of Readers' Wives than that rag.
As long as it's not a copy of Posters' Wives ???
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I'd rather be seen buying a copy of Readers' Wives than that rag.
As long as it's not a copy of Posters' Wives ???
So it’s you lurking outside my house then!
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I'd rather be seen buying a copy of Readers' Wives than that rag.
As long as it's not a copy of Posters' Wives ???
So it’s you lurking outside my house then!
He is infamous for his long lens. Which reminds of a verse from the song "Generation Sex" by pop combo The Divine Comedy which is germane to the issue at hand.
Lovers watch their backs
As hacks
In macs
Take snaps
Through telephoto lenses
Chase Mercedes-Benzes through the night
A mourning nation weeps
And wails
But keeps
The sales
Of evil tabloids healthy
The poor protect the wealthy in this world
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Somebody I know is a train driver. He hates the Sun with a passion for a variety of reasons. At one time he was taking over a train and saw a copy of the Sun in the cab. He called the departing driver back to remove it as he was not prepared to enter the cab and take the train over while that shitty rag was present. It goes without saying that he was not prepared to dirty his hands by picking it up an putting it in a bin. maybe Brum should boycott the Sun as the Scousers have been doing for years.
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I buy the Sun occasionally. And I will continue to do so...
...As for J421. I have supported them with money, vigils and met the familes over the last 5 years ago and I have supported them ever since and will continue to do so. Very brave people who I hope they get the justice they are fighting for.
And yet you're happy to buy a paper that denigrates them and undermines their cause, the same paper that's vilified you as a football supporter and insulted a Villa legend. Even with that knowledge you've got no problem buying it. I wouldn't have thought you'd need to be told not to.
I hate the rag but I’d bristle if someone told me I couldn’t buy it
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I buy the Sun occasionally. And I will continue to do so...
...As for J421. I have supported them with money, vigils and met the familes over the last 5 years ago and I have supported them ever since and will continue to do so. Very brave people who I hope they get the justice they are fighting for.
And yet you're happy to buy a paper that denigrates them and undermines their cause, the same paper that's vilified you as a football supporter and insulted a Villa legend. Even with that knowledge you've got no problem buying it. I wouldn't have thought you'd need to be told not to.
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I hate the rag but I’d bristle if someone told me I couldn’t buy it
With respect I don't think anyone is telling you you can't buy it, they are just suggesting that you don't.
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I loathe the paper, the people who put the shite in it and most of all, the cnut that owns it.
When I see anyone buy it, my mind is made-up that they must be the sort of person that just doesn't think too deeply about life in general.
Oh yeah . . . and they're probably as thick as shit.
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I've stopped buying it any idea of a decent morning paper to buy instead ?
I like i. It's fairly unbiased and full of news with not too much opinion.
Meanwhile, my take on today's chip paper.
http://thebirminghampress.com/2019/03/total-eclipse-of-the-sun/
Issue with FB. Posts not going on our page. Will try again tomorrow. No, I haven't broken it.
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I've stopped buying it any idea of a decent morning paper to buy instead ?
I like i. It's fairly unbiased and full of news with not too much opinion.
Meanwhile, my take on today's chip paper.
http://thebirminghampress.com/2019/03/total-eclipse-of-the-sun/
Issue with FB. Posts not going on our page. Will try again tomorrow. No, I haven't broken it.
Widespread outages in FB and Instagram today according to most tech sites.
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My in-laws buy it and the problem pages are a good giggle as must be folk on the wind up or sad bastards. Or just made up. I hate the daily heil though and as a lefty I still read the morning star.....
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My in-laws buy it and the problem pages are a good giggle as must be folk on the wind up or sad bastards. Or just made up. I hate the daily heil though and as a lefty I still read the morning star.....
Me too.
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I used to get the Morning Star from a local co-op. The co-op near me doesn’t stock it, I never see it anywhere. Is it still about 10 pages? I gues I could joking the people’s press society, is that what the ownership is called. They always seem to make the fighting fund
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I get it from Sainsbury’s and yes it’s a bit thin!
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Wrong thread.
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But seriously no idea why anyone would want to read the sun these days....
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Don’t usually shop in Sainsbury’s, but thanks for the info. Absolutely no idea why anyone would buy the sun
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I get it from the Solihull store so not sure if all shops stock it but worth a check.
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It's a fucking embarassment, a comic written by cynical c**ts for the mentally challenged. I hope it goes bust and everyone who works on it gets genital herpes.
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And once more the nation is denied Corbyn's balloon dance.
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And once more the nation is denied Corbyn's balloon dance.
A total eclipse of the sun?
You're so vain ...
You have one in the mirror as
You watch yourself gavotte
Listened to that song for decades before checking on the lyrics.
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An anagram of the Grauniad is 'I'd gun the IRA'.
Its this sort of subversive message that makes people distrust the msmTM
Apart from an a missing I H T E you're spot on.
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An anagram of the Grauniad is 'I'd gun the IRA'.
Its this sort of subversive message that makes people distrust the msmTM
Apart from an a missing I H T E you're spot on.
I think you might find the 'H T E' in the. It was a joke by the way, not a competition.