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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Ads on March 03, 2019, 11:03:41 AM
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In a weeks time we enter Mordor to face the slack jawed and badly dressed hordes. Hordes that have suddenly found their way out of the Touchwood Centre, got time off from Longbridge and filled their hovel for their cup final, for the one and only time in a season. Snot will be wiped, flat caps worn with gay abadonement and spotty oiks will pogo on pavements recalling a fine 1964 Michael Cain classic.
You'll have heard it for weeks that this is da best Blues side we've faced in years, they're going to batter us, it will be a wall noise and hostility. But that squeaking sound you can hear is the dual sounds of bravado shrinking and ring pieces tightening in B9.
I love these games.
Dilemma in midfield, does SJM come back in or do we stick? Given their propensity to clog it, I think SJM and his energy would be welcome.
There never seems to be much in the games at the Sty, but if we click, they won't live with us. Grealish is the key to that and I fancy Captain Jack to be well up for it.
I predict Craig Gardner and his over developed forehead and mouth breathing to look gimpier than usual. He's a red card waiting to happen and along with Kliften- I can't be bothered to Google the no marks name-belt, will try and kick us off the park. Like last time and to no avail.
Pace, tempo in transition and effort off the ball. It's been present since half time at Stoke and needs to be there next Sunday.
3-1 Villa.
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I hate this fixture. 1-1.
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I had the misfortune hear a nose Vlogger on SKY EFL round up say that they rested
Klifty Kilfto Klitenho some player I never heard of for the game vs us
hate this game too Legion....keep another clean sheet and we will win
UTV
The Doc
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I think we should stick with the same team. Whelan's passing is better than McGinn's, and I'd prefer us to pass them off the pitch than get stuck in a battle of attrition. We can always bring McGinn on to shore things up a bit when they've got tired of chasing shadows at 5-0 down.
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I think we absolutely bring back SJM for this. He's exactly what we need in Midfield for all games, not just this one.
For Sunday I'd drop Albert and let Jack drift around.
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I said something similar in another thread but Monk has allowed himself to be sucked into the vortex of their obsession. His post-match interview yesterday was almost entirely about next week's game. He's needlessly accepted the burden of their fans' desperation. It may work out for them and prove to be cathartic. It probably won't.
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Smith to use head not heart bring McGinn back in - my only concern is left back Taylor is a liability but we more than match them in every other position. Oh I f hate them like nothing else
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2-2 draw I reckon. On paper I strongly believe we are a better team than them but the Championship table suggests there is very little to choose between us and them. Plus they are at home. They don't score many goals but don't concede many goals. We score loads and concede loads. It could be 0-0 or 4-4.
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I have the feeling the 'noses would've preferred to play us a couple weeks earlier than they are, we are recovering somewhat from a bad run so this games is less daunting than it was before yesterday.
Anyway, I hate these games, always have and I'd usually be happy with draw but we need to keep winning to make the final few weeks of the season interesting.
0-1. Mings.
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I think we absolutely bring back SJM for this. He's exactly what we need in Midfield for all games, not just this one.
For Sunday I'd drop Albert and let Jack drift around.
AA played very well in the home game v these and scored last week. If that clown Taylor plays*, he will need a hardworking disciplined wide player in front of him. Think it's a straight choice between Hourihane and McGinn. McGinn hasn't played well from what I've seen in some time to be honest.
*Am hoping he won't. Mings looked far from comfortable in his brief cameo on the right side yesterday. If Chester isn't fit I'd bring Jedinak back in at RCB and leave Mings and Hause in their current positions. Their brute up front caused us serious problems at Villa Park and Jedi should be able for that anyway.
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I have the feeling the 'noses would've preferred to play us a couple weeks earlier than they are, we are recovering somewhat from a bad run so this games is less daunting than it was before yesterday.
Anyway, I hate these games, always have and I'd usually be happy with draw but we need to keep winning to make the final few weeks of the season interesting.
0-1. Mings.
I can see him being well up for it. Hope he doesn't get any silly bookings.
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McGinn has been tried out in training at left back since his suspension. Maybe Smith will put him there so as not to disrupt the midfield and Hause can continue next to Mings.
Gary Gardner being club-tied is great for us, he's been their rock this season.
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When was the last time we won by more than a goal there out of interest? 80s?
Always tight games and we've certainly gone there not to lose in our last few trips.
Had a bad feeling we'd lose this but I'd say with Jack back and how well we played yesterday we should be full of confidence going there.
Only thing we need to watch is SHA will want us to come out and attack from the start as that's how they've got so many decent results this year. Might be better to sit back and go for it in second half.
Would bring McGinn back, he's too good to leave out for this sort of game imo. Him in a 3 man midfield, Jack and El Ghazi in free roles and drifting wide and likes of Adomah and Kodj on bench as impact changes is how I'd go. Should give their rigid 4-4-2 plenty to worry about.
1-3.
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They're fuck all and on the cusp of their inevitble slide.
0-4.
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When was the last time we won by more than a goal there out of interest? 80s?
In the league it was 1970.
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All previous results (https://www.11v11.com/teams/aston-villa/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Birmingham%20City/)
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Looks like we are heading back to the Premier sooner than expected !
https://www.that lot.com/read.php?1,2643543,page=1
Squatnose
18:04, Sat 2 Mar
fingles
Yep, they're spawny bastards y'see. Having a shit run but of course they just had to get Greasy back and record their best win leading up to the derby. We can never face them when they're in the middle of a shit run and their best players are out. Oh no, that just can't happen can it?
Just watch them go on a run now and hunt down that sixth spot. They make me physically sick 🤮
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Opposition irrelevant.
Result irrelevant.
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Draw. They are overdue a result against us - would take a draw. Just avoid defeat and having to listen to them crow. And if we win even better.
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Draw, would love a win, but a draw
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Looks like we are heading back to the Premier sooner than expected !
https://www.that lot.com/read.php?1,2643543,page=1
Squatnose
18:04, Sat 2 Mar
fingles
Yep, they're spawny bastards y'see. Having a shit run but of course they just had to get Greasy back and record their best win leading up to the derby. We can never face them when they're in the middle of a shit run and their best players are out. Oh no, that just can't happen can it?
Just watch them go on a run now and hunt down that sixth spot. They make me physically sick 🤮
Daft bastards used up a centurys worth of luck against us in those first 6 Premier League games.
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I would definitely start John McGinn against them he will be looking forward to this game I can see us beating them 2-1 maybe 3-1.
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When was the last time we won by more than a goal there out of interest? 80s?
In the league it was 1970.
Worse than I thought. Even when there was a huge gulf between the two in 1993 we only won 1-0 there (and Bozzie saved a pen at 0-0).
About time we had a comfortable/routine win there like we do at VP. Can't we visualise we're playing at Boro or somewhere where we always stroll to victory.
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Draw. They are overdue a result against us - would take a draw. Just avoid defeat and having to listen to them crow. And if we win even better.
They got a result in the last game. They had a moral victory for scoring a goal and hitting the post until we went that's enough of that shite and stuck two on them in minutes.
Their first victory at Villa Park since the great moral victory of the Milner pen.
What they're due is a fucking drumming on their own patch.
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Looks like we are heading back to the Premier sooner than expected !
https://www.that lot.com/read.php?1,2643543,page=1
Squatnose
18:04, Sat 2 Mar
fingles
Yep, they're spawny bastards y'see. Having a shit run but of course they just had to get Greasy back and record their best win leading up to the derby. We can never face them when they're in the middle of a shit run and their best players are out. Oh no, that just can't happen can it?
Just watch them go on a run now and hunt down that sixth spot. They make me physically sick 🤮
Daft bastards used up a centurys worth of luck against us in those first 6 Premier League games.
Not so much 'tired and weary' as 'obsessed and paranoid'. We really do get their blood pressure up don't we?
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Please, please can we not link to that place.
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Draw. They are overdue a result against us - would take a draw. Just avoid defeat and having to listen to them crow. And if we win even better.
They got a result in the last game. They had a moral victory for scoring a goal and hitting the post until we went that's enough of that shite and stuck two on them in minutes.
Their first victory at Villa Park since the great moral victory of the Milner pen.
What they're due is a fucking drumming on their own patch.
Yup. For the first time in ages, we'll be picking a side from a pretty full bag of riches. They will be upturning a leftover dry-roasted peanuts packet to see what stinking salty crumbs fall out.
Us by more than 1.
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Please, please can we not link to that place.
Sorry about that, I shall consider myself quite rightly admonished.
I dont suppose links to Sandwell Town fansites would go down to well either then ? No, thought not.
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I'd stick with the same team as far as possible. McGinn will have to wait his chance after a 4-0 win. Competition for places based on form is what we need anyway rather than shuffling the first team in the hope they won't be as bad as the players they're replacing which is what we were doing. 1-1.
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We all know its going to be a tight game and something out or the ordinary could swing it in our favour.
Villa to clinch it. 0-9.
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Can't see Captain Jack wanting to lose this one!!
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I hate this fixture and will wince every time one of them lunges and hacks Jack down. Hope the ref is strong.
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About 2-3 weeks before we last played them in November, they were bang in form and we weren’t. Some of our fans were starting to feel apprehensive.
Then, they had a stutter and lost momentum just before they played us. We simultaneously hit form at the right time and gave Derby County a right twatting ensuring we approached the game against SHA with confidence sky high and managed to shut the fuckers up once again.
It’s all happening again.
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A very comfortable 2-0 Villa win with Albert and Tammy from the spot providing the goals both before half time.
The only real question about Sunday is who to take out the midfield for McGinn.
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McGinn should start on the bench ...... you dont change a team thats just won 4-0 with the midfield giving its best performance for months
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Whelan had his first really good game in literally ages. And I'm delighted he did. But when you have a fully charged John McGinn available you play him. It's a massive upgrade.
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Whelan has to start IMO. McGinn comes in for Hourihane if anyone but I'd probably leave Conor in for his set peices.
Any chance Chester is fit? It'd be a shame if Hause moves inside and Taylor has to play.
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But isn't it great we are asking if John McGinn should play .........
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Anyone know who the ref is,we all know their idea of how to stop Jack is to cripple him .We need someone like Mike Dean who won't be scared to show a red if needed
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McGinn to start. Whelan had his one decent game in 10 and might need a nice lie down now. We need to match their (literally) blood and thunder. The result? Not a fucking clue!
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I'm selling "Villa invasion of Birmingham 2019" commemorative keyrings if anyone is interested.
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And I'm selling horse shit if anybodys interested.
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"Franksy, I'm tellin' ya....if dat second goal went in den we would've murdered da vile at their place !"
But it wasn't a goal, you moron. It hit the post and that was it. I dont think I've heard more about a non-goal that I have about that one. Straw clutching or what ?!
Anyway, no you can't have a beanie Pete, even if you ARE in ya sixties "yaknoworramean son !"
Usual small heath, kick lumps out of Jack early on and thug it out throughout the game. I'll be happy with 0-1, just to shut em up but it'll prob end 0-0, with them claiming we "bribed da ref again and in any case we got a team and dey aint, all dat money dey spent and dey aint goin nowhere, hahaha, KRO "
Yeah........KRO to a points deduction you tw@ts.
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The Noses usual bollocks coming out. One of my favourites is that they have shut attendances because the Police cut capacity.
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A horrible team.
It's been a great run that we've been on against them. 14 years since we last lost in the league? That's mad.
It's very rare that I meet a Blues fan, even more so nowadays. But even when I was in Birmingham, I rarely did. I don't get all this 'the city is ours', nonsense. None of my mates from Birmingham support them, at gigs I went to, if the conversation did turn to football, nobody supported them...and so on. It was always a surprise to actually meet a Blues fan.
When I do meet one and they find out I'm a Villa fan, they harp on about 2002/2003, Enckleman, and that winner from Zigic in the cup. You'd think that they'd be quiet. If Villa had such shit recent history against another club, I wouldn't be banging on about things from further back.
A weird club with weird fans. I love how much we mean to them.
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Is there a poll for which second Craig Gardener will foul Jack for the first time?
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We have to be favourites, but the sty is somewhat of a leveller.
After last week, I’d say 0-2. But will probably end up a draw.
Plenty to play for though, so I expect Smith to have a proper crack at it.
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Seems pretty obvious to that they will target and kick Jack throughout the game again so we need a strong ref that won’t shy away from making early bookings if needed. I have a feeling one of them will get a red card this game. Any news on who the ref is?
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Whelan was great against Derby, but I look at that Derby midfield and think a lot of average players could have shone against it. If rather have McGinn starting as he is far more mobile. Bring Whelan on if we are winning and we need to tighten things up.
Let's not go negative to start with and have to chase the game. Blues would love that.
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Living and working in the south east, I never meet a Birmingham fan. This game is like any other in that respect, the only difference is that they play above themselves against us.
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I'd definitely start with the same team that started against Derby, for the following reasons:
- Winning mentality - they'll all be on a high and will hopefully get off on the front foot again
- Whelan's passing is better than McGinn's
- Jack is still coming back to full fitness, so will probably need to be subbed some time afrter 60 mins again. That's when I'd bring McGinn on.
- Sends the squad a message that if you come in and play well, you keep your place, and if you're out through suspension, you're not automatically recalled.
edit: obviously with Elphick injured, it necessitates a change. I really don't want to see Taylor play, any options?
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Unlikely but could try McGinn at LB?
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I was thinking similar. He strikes me as the type of player who can play anywhere on the pitch.
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The only other option would be Jedinak at CB which would be a scary prospect going back full circle to the start of the season under Bruce. More importantly, we can’t afford to pick up any more injuries at the back.
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It's not the maddest idea ever.
If I'd back anyone at the club to fill in and adapt to pretty much anywhere on the pitch, and probably make a pretty good fist of it, it'd be McGinn.
I'd be happier seeing that than Jedinak back in.
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Didn't their winger Mahoney cause Taylor a lot of problems at Villa Park. Monk bizarrely took him off. Taylor is rubbish, we really need to avoid playing him.
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Would honestly take Adomah out to bring McGinn back. Always a tight game where a couple of game changing options on the hour from the bench isn't a bad weapon.
AEM will get forward plenty on the right.
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Why change shape? Drop Whelan, he lacks the legs and was the very reason we were diabolical for 35 minutes against this shower previously.
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Why change shape? Drop Whelan, he lacks the legs and was the very reason we were diabolical for 35 minutes against this shower previously.
The play a very rigid 4-4-2 so I'd have Jack and El Ghazi floating in free roles behind Tammy. With that and also three centrally that's a hell of a lot of ground for their middle two to cover. Apparently Davis could barely keep up with the pace of Hull when he started the other day after 8 months out.
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Blues really are so irrelevant that if they were not just down the road we'd be treating this like a game against Rotherham.
Routine 0-2 win for the Villa, though Jack will have to be careful to avoid their attempts to put him back on the treatment table.
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I was thinking similar. He strikes me as the type of player who can play anywhere on the pitch.
McMilner
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Will this be Jacks first game at the Sty? Pretty sure he’s missed previous games with injuries or suspensions?
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The f*ckers need to be f*cked....that is all
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Being a Warwickshire lad I grew up personally with Coventry as my main rivals as a Villa fan. For any Villa living in the Warwickshire area of the country outside of Brum you got to see first hand how much those cranks hate us. They have been very quiet over the last decade not surprisingly..
Saying that the swamp dwellers from Small Health will all be coming out on Sunday for their cup final. Throwing hatred and bile like they always do. When the match kicks off nothing else matters but the final result. Villa to win 3-2.
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From the Birmingham Mail:
“Tim Robinson will take charge of this weekend’s Second City derby between Birmingham City and Aston Villa.
The battle at St Andrew’s is certain to be a heated affair and Robinson has gained a reputation for being one of the EFL’s more card happy officials.”
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Good. Get the twats in the book early on when they start lumping Grealish.
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Unfortunately, being card happy doesn't necessarily equate to being consistent - or very good.
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Will this be Jacks first game at the Sty? Pretty sure he’s missed previous games with injuries or suspensions?
Yes
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the first two names I would put down in midfield are Grealish and McGinn you can take your pick out of the rest of them
They are the best 2 midfielders we have and are head and shoulders above everyone else we have in that department
you can count on one hand the amount of good games Whelan, Albert, Hourihane etc have had
you can count on one hand how many bad games McGinn has had and you'd be struggling to do that
we always fall into this one game makes the player trap
play the best you've got and go and win the game Villa
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They're the best two midfielders in the league.
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Randomly ended up on the Wiki page for the 1886 FA Cup semi final, played at our place between Small Heath and Albion. Nothing changes, does it?
The semi-final took place at Aston Lower Grounds and was against one of Albion's local rivals, Small Heath Alliance. Albion won 4–0—Arthur Loach and George Woodhall each scoring twice—to become the first Midlands club to reach the FA Cup Final. After the game, Small Heath supporters invaded the pitch and then pelted missiles at vehicles bound for West Bromwich, causing several injuries.
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They're the best two midfielders in the league.
We have no room for error the rest of the way this season. We have to win the majority of our games to get into the playoffs. No fucking around. Best team available.
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Unlikely but could try McGinn at LB?
He's no stranger to the role. Played there when he was younger...
https://www.facebook.com/101566839887394/posts/2366536633390392/
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Randomly ended up on the Wiki page for the 1886 FA Cup semi final, played at our place between Small Heath and Albion. Nothing changes, does it?
The semi-final took place at Aston Lower Grounds and was against one of Albion's local rivals, Small Heath Alliance. Albion won 4–0—Arthur Loach and George Woodhall each scoring twice—to become the first Midlands club to reach the FA Cup Final. After the game, Small Heath supporters invaded the pitch and then pelted missiles at vehicles bound for West Bromwich, causing several injuries.
A Woodhall scored for the Albion you say ;)
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Being a Warwickshire lad I grew up personally with Coventry as my main rivals as a Villa fan. For any Villa living in the Warwickshire area of the country outside of Brum you got to see first hand how much those cranks hate us. They have been very quiet over the last decade not surprisingly..
Saying that the swamp dwellers from Small Health will all be coming out on Sunday for their cup final. Throwing hatred and bile like they always do. When the match kicks off nothing else matters but the final result. Villa to win 3-2.
i can vouch for your comments re: cov fans, being as I am from Nuneaton. I don’t know any blues fans, but I imagine they would be very similar- quite passive aggressive the cov lot.
It’s funny, I know a cov supporter here in aus, we’re quite good mates as it goes, but when he has a go about Villa, you can sense that the bitterness is not far from the surface. There’s definitely a slight edge to the piss-taking, which I obviously feign obliviousness to, but try to slyly stoke.
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Randomly ended up on the Wiki page for the 1886 FA Cup semi final, played at our place between Small Heath and Albion. Nothing changes, does it?
The semi-final took place at Aston Lower Grounds and was against one of Albion's local rivals, Small Heath Alliance. Albion won 4–0—Arthur Loach and George Woodhall each scoring twice—to become the first Midlands club to reach the FA Cup Final. After the game, Small Heath supporters invaded the pitch and then pelted missiles at vehicles bound for West Bromwich, causing several injuries.
A Woodhall scored for the Albion you say ;)
One of his relatives. A younger brother I think.
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Sorry if it's old news but it looks like WMPolice are not holding Villa fans back at the end of the game
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Sorry if it's old news but it looks like WMPolice are not holding Villa fans back at the end of the game
They know the Tilton Massive will have gone after going 0-3 down.
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Is there a poll for which second Craig Gardener will foul Jack for the first time?
I will go for the first ten minutes and I will also throw in the prediction that he will do that very punchable angry screwed up face that he does when he is trying to claim it was a fair challenge.
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Sorry if it's old news but it looks like WMPolice are not holding Villa fans back at the end of the game
They know the Tilton Massive will have gone after going 0-3 down.
They do have school the next day. Or borstal.
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Will this be Jacks first game at the Sty? Pretty sure he’s missed previous games with injuries or suspensions?
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If this is his first visit to the sty I hope he is up to date on all his inoculations.
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Will this be Jacks first game at the Sty? Pretty sure he’s missed previous games with injuries or suspensions?
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If this is his first visit to the sty I hope he is up to date on all his inoculations.
Particularly for swine flu!
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Yes, I know it is immature but search for 'pig sty' on Google maps.
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The Noses predicting they'll batter us. Never been so confident apparently.
I'm not sure where it comes from, maybe it's the chronically slow and unfit Davis who Hull ran rings around? Maybe instead it's Craig Gardner?
If we play anything like we can, we'll annihilate them.
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Other than question marks over Taylor at LB, we’re arguably a stronger and more solid team with Mings and Hause than when we played them at Villa Park. If we play on the front foot with our high press passing game then I can’t see them keeping up with us.
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Hause and Mings are both huge, quick and very comfortable on the ball. I feel confident with the pair of them.
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Does not take a rocket scientist to know what there major tactic will be does it?
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Does not take a rocket scientist to know what there major tactic will be does it?
Hoofing, kicking Grealish and pashun, pashun and more pashun.
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Does not take a rocket scientist to know what there major tactic will be does it?
Hoofing, kicking Grealish and pashun, pashun and more pashun.
With plenty of snot being wiped. But wiped with pashun!
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Hause and Mings are both huge, quick and very comfortable on the ball. I feel confident with the pair of them.
Agreed. We’ll have the makings of a good defensive unit and spine next season if we’re able to sign the pair of them in the summer. There remains question marks over both LB and RB but we’ll be in good shape if those 2 can compliment Chester and Axel.
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It’s in the bag...I fancy us to run riot.
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The Noses predicting they'll batter us. Never been so confident apparently.
I'm not sure where it comes from, maybe it's the chronically slow and unfit Davis who Hull ran rings around? Maybe instead it's Craig Gardner?
If we play anything like we can, we'll annihilate them.
Watching that 'Davo's Diary' thing on Youtube before the game at Villa Park it was definitely their day and it was just a question of how many they would beat us by. It was great watching and hearing their burst bubble 'if onlys' after the match.
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I predict that it will take that thug Kiftenbeld less than a minute to try and cripple Jack like at Villa Park
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Noses making their excuses already by claiming they’ve been stitched up with the choice of ref according to Birmingham Mail article. Another article claims their players were swearing and giving it large to our players in the tunnel before the 3-0 Enkleman game.
Horrible club, horrible fans...just beat the fcukers so we can move on please.
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It's the pashun' that our players won't be able to deal with. All the pashun'!
I'm not sure how our players will cope in front of a HUGE 24,000 home crowd. Massive.
Have they got clappers this year or have the plastic part time support gone the whole way with foam hands?
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Spoke to a reasonably sensible Nose yesterday and he said he’s shit scared of our midfield. Their best player has been Gary Gardner (who obviously can’t play) and every other midfielder they’ve got is shit.
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As well they should be. I get the impression their predictions of 4-0, 4-1, 5-2 and the like are more about convincing themselves than anything else.
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I love this game. All my family are noses (including my Dad whom I love to bits and just don’t understand what he did to bestow such pain on himself) and they suddenly come out of hiding and start talking utter bollox - and then just as rapidly disappear into the reality of misery that is a noses fate after the game.
Fuckin love it!!!
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Apparently Blose asked Villa if Gary Gardner could be allowed to play against us on Sunday. Request declined.
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Apparently Blose asked Villa if Gary Gardner could be allowed to play against us on Sunday. Request declined.
True story or just a fan rumour? He's our actual player so why on earth would we agree to bend the rules when he could potentially score the winner against us?
Of course if they want to give us 20m payment to help with FFP he can play!
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I love this game. All my family are noses (including my Dad whom I love to bits and just don’t understand what he did to bestow such pain on himself) and they suddenly come out of hiding and start talking utter bollox - and then just as rapidly disappear into the reality of misery that is a noses fate after the game.
Fuckin love it!!!
My Moms side are noses...none of them go to the Sty...My Dads side are all Villa bar one cousin :)
UTV
The Doc
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Apparently Blose asked Villa if Gary Gardner could be allowed to play against us on Sunday. Request declined.
True story or just a fan rumour? He's our actual player so why on earth would we agree to bend the rules when he could potentially score the winner against us?
Of course if they want to give us 20m payment to help with FFP he can play!
It appeared on my Google news feed this morning in the Birmingham Mail (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-stunned-aston-villa-15934619.amp) with quotes from Monk.
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Looks like they're desperate then as alternatives are Craig Gardner or Davis who's started one game in eight months.
Sort of thing I'd pin up on the dressing room wall tbh to amuse our team.
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Hold the nerve and we’ll batter them.
Let the occasion get to us and we will struggle.
I’ve gone for a draw in the prediction poll. They always seem to find a way to drag us down to their shitey level at the sty.
Hats off to all the Villa fans going there. Would love to see pics of the players going up to salute the away end after a big win there.
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I’d bring McGinn back as we need his tenacity. That said, you can’t really drop any of the midfielders who played against Derby. Maybe dropping Albert is the answer, and going with something like this:
Steer
Elmo
Mings
Hause
Taylor
McGinn
Whelan
Hourihane
Jack
El Ghazi
Tammy
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Yeah I’d agree with dropping Adomah too. I think we’ll be strong enough at the back but we need to win the midfield battle to protect them and control the game. We can’t afford to play one of our best midfielders in SJM at LB, so Taylor or one of the kids will have to play there. Control possession and we should have enough up front to be a threat with Jack, Tammy and El Ghazi pulling the strings and supported by Elmo, Hourihane and SJM.
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Have they ACTUALLY asked if we will break league rules and allow Gardner to play against his parent club?
Are they fucking deluded or what?
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Yep apparently they asked for special dispensation as per link. Article was by someone called Brian Dick.
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It’s suits their narrative of us being the bad guys now, whilst in reality their request was absolutely ludicrous.
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We should let him play. In addition to the other 11 they'll put out.
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Have they lost their copy of the Football League rules or something?
We should have said yes, the league could then chuck that on the list of infringements.
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I hate the run up to this game, I feel sick at just the thought that the Blosers might win.
I'll predict 1-5 anyway.
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It’s the most ridiculous thing ever. Just because Mick Ferguson screwed them over whilst on loan (showing my age), why should / would we say yes. Monk is a proper er idiot, for making a big thing about this in the media. Smash them Sunday, smash them. UTV
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From what I understand the rules would have allowed Gardner to play IF we had agreed, which obviously we weren't going to do and even Monk admitted it was a shot in the dark even asking us. Apparently Chelsea agreed that their two players on loan to Derby could play against them in the cup earlier this season.
I have discovered why they don't want Tim Robinson to ref the game. He sent off Kieftenbeld when they played Brentford earlier in the season and then Monk was also sent off by the ref for arguing the decision. Kieftenbeld's red was then rescinded on appeal.
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GARRY MONK SAYS HE WASN'T WHOLLY SURPRISED THAT ASTON VILLA REFUSED PERMISSION FOR GARY GARDNER TO PLAY AGAINST THEM ON SUNDAY.
The Blues boss asked Club personnel to approach Villa to see if they would agree to Gary Gardner being able to compete against his parent club.
“We did ask, it was a short conversation, a straight ‘No’ from Aston Villa - to be expected,” he said.
“It does not really make a difference, it is what it is. It wasn’t in his contract.
“I think there was an occasion with Derby and Chelsea earlier in the season when Derby asked for the two Chelsea loans to play and Chelsea said ‘Yes’.
“But most common is the parent club or the club that own the player have the right for them not to play against them.
“We have got a small squad, but everyone has been ready, whoever steps on that pitch will go on there and relish that occasion and give everything for three points
“We have to think about it, Gary has done brilliantly for us since he came in, he has been a really consistent performer.
“It’s not an ideal situation but we knew that and were planning for that but whichever way we set up the most important bit is the whole team is committed to this game and have 90 minutes to give everything they have got and to wake up on Monday and be happy.”
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Have they ACTUALLY asked if we will break league rules and allow Gardner to play against his parent club?
Are they fucking deluded or what?
As far as I know there is no rule in the EFL that stops it. However, the loan player can't play unless the parent club gives express permission that he can play against them.
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So they offered to play a weakened team against us and we turned it down?
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From ReadFootball (https://readfootball.co/2018/10/31/loan-players-v-parent-clubs-the-complex-battle/)
PORTSMOUTH
LuaLua joined Portsmouth on a short-term loan from Newcastle United in 2004, with the Magpies failing to include a clause that would prevent him from playing against them. When they eventually played each other, LuaLua fired in a late equaliser against his parent club and celebrated wildly, much to the displeasure of the Newcastle fans and management. This incident resulted in the FA changing their loan rules, preventing on-loan players from playing against their parent clubs in league fixtures.
Another shit thing about being in this division is trying to search on the web for championship-specific information, and then being swamped with PL and UEFA related stuff. Fwiw, I can't find precedent regarding league fixtures.
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https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-6---players/
54.8
During the period of any Temporary Loan Transfer, a Player shall not play against his Transferor Club without the prior written permission of the Transferor Club (which, if given, must be indicated on the appropriate Temporary Loan Transfer form).
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Fucking hell, I was scrolling through Section 6, but lost the will to carry on before getting anywhere near that far.
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So they offered to play a weakened team against us and we turned it down?
From what I've heard, he's their entire midfield.
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Yeah. A bit of respect Richard E, Gardz is their best player and a Villa fan, he just wanted games.
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Desperation on the cusp of madness on the part of the monkster if you ask me.
Even if you don't ask me, here is Salvo Dali's piccy for the arty types hereabout.
(https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/rendered/square-product/small/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/1/dalis-cusp-of-madness-ml-walker.jpg)
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I thought Nothing from Small Heath could surprise me anymore. Wrong! I have just read they actually asked if they could play Gardner against us on Sunday .Deluded or what.
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When your alternative is Davis, who is grossly unfit and got run all over by Hull or Craig Gardner, no wonder they're desperate.
Still, despite us catching fire in a big way and being unlucky to only score 4, them being dreadful and having no midfield, they're still going to batter us 4 or 5. Cuz' they've got Pashun! 24000 crowds are massive and da Vile will be scared of all the snot wiping.
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Having had a look at what some of their fans are saying, it's probably the understatement of all time to say they don't like us.
Far too much 'Villa are lucky fannies' type moaning on there, though. The way they bang on makes us sound like we win every week and are close to winning the quadruple.
If they win this weekend it sounds like it'll be the highlight of their entire lives. Recently there was a thread about suicide, and how Villa winning might push him over the edge. Deary me.
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Is it sold out?
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Is it sold out?
I bet their ends aren't. They never sell out, do they?
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They only experience soul doubt.
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Monk pleading for Villa to let them play Gary Gardner at the pre-match press conference:
(https://i.ibb.co/f0y2497/Screenshot-20181123-190558.png) (https://ibb.co/f0y2497)
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Is it sold out?
Of course, their one game a season fans are out for this one. Reduced capacity of about 24k, massive.
I agree that the way they go on about us being lucky and jammy is like we're Barcelona or Man City. Then in the next breath they're going on about our trophy drought. Very confused bunch.
Draw all over it this weekend. Season ending game for both.
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Tell me the Sty isn't really called the Trillion Trophy stadium....... :D
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Tell me the Sty isn't really called the Trillion Trophy stadium....... :D
That's what it says on the front of the main stand. I think the Chinese have grasped the concept of irony far better than our American cousins.
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Monk pleading for Villa to let them play Gary Gardner at the pre-match press conference:
(https://i.ibb.co/f0y2497/Screenshot-20181123-190558.png) (https://ibb.co/f0y2497)
(https://imgbb.com/)
After failing to win the star prize of a car Garry and his wife were disappointed even more when they realised they didn't even get to take home the real remote controlled 'Dusty Bin' as a consolation gift.
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Monk pleading for Villa to let them play Gary Gardner at the pre-match press conference:
(https://i.ibb.co/f0y2497/Screenshot-20181123-190558.png) (https://ibb.co/f0y2497)
(https://imgbb.com/)
Happy with that. As long as they don't want to play him on Sunday😜
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There are only 4 truly decent players in our squad - Mings, Abraham, Grealish and McGinn. To leave 25% of our really good players out would be extreme folly. Especially as the main characteristics of the two midfield players that McGinn should replace are being slow in the one case and physically weak in the other.
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I could just make 1 change and put Mile in at CB as a right sider
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Having had a look at what some of their fans are saying, it's probably the understatement of all time to say they don't like us.
Far too much 'Villa are lucky fannies' type moaning on there, though. The way they bang on makes us sound like we win every week and are close to winning the quadruple.
If they win this weekend it sounds like it'll be the highlight of their entire lives. Recently there was a thread about suicide, and how Villa winning might push him over the edge. Deary me.
I dare them if we do win 90% are wannabe villa fans so it’s all bravado I’m afraid to say
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I went past a house today that was 102 The Villa, so I immediately thought it was a prediction for the outcome at The Sty. I did, of course, rule out an outcome of 10-2 either way: so used the zero as a dot. After a jammy ricochet puts the Knuckle Draggers 1-up, we'll be level at HT - until Jack sticks a screamer in the top l/h corner, in the 93rd minute (after being kicked black & blue throughout the match). Bosh.
UTV
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Yes it's true, this is the highlight of their lives.
Two I work with. One actually lives in Aston but walks into Mordor as often as possible.
The other (poor mare) had the misfortune to be shunned when her father, grandad and brothers all stood on the holte for years and flatly refused to take her. So she shacked up with a nose and hasn't looked back. She actually gets all heated with anticipation on the match considering they haven't beaten us in the league for 14 years?
Fair play she thinks it will be a 2-2, they will try to hobble Jack, surround the ref at every opportunity and time waste if they go 1-0 up within 2 minutes.
I am going for a 2-2 aswell with Whelan starting in place of McGinn and then when he tires in the 2nd half - Enter Super John to pick up where he left off with the canny plan of nipping in when 4 orcs surround jack. Play right into our hands fools! (Evil laugh).
Onwards! Upwards! For the nerds out there, picture the Rohirim coming down the hill towards the evil hordes in Two Towers.
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I went past a house today that was 102 The Villa, so I immediately thought it was a prediction for the outcome at The Sty. I did, of course, rule out an outcome of 10-2 either way: so used the zero as a dot. After a jammy ricochet puts the Knuckle Draggers 1-up, we'll be level at HT - until Jack sticks a screamer in the top l/h corner, in the 93rd minute (after being kicked black & blue throughout the match). Bosh.
UTV
I've read it as One-Nil To The Villa.
Not what I think, though. I reckon your 10-2 might be closer. Jack's back, we're playing like we were beforehand, they're falling apart at the seams. We're still susceptible at fullback, but they won't have near enough.
Us to win by at least 3.
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I could just make 1 change and put Mile in at CB as a right sider
Jedinak at CB or Taylor at LB? I'd move Hause over to CB. SJM also has to start in place of Whelan, Hourihane or Adomah.
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Hause and Mings centre halves for me. Both physical, big, good in the air and can transition out of defence.
Dominate the ball and Taylor won't be so exposed.
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Hause and Mings centre halves for me. Both physical, big, good in the air and can transition out of defence.
Dominate the ball and Taylor won't be so exposed.
Agree. Hause is a centre half so really looking forward to seeing him there as he’s been so good out of position at LB
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Whelan had his first really good game in literally ages. And I'm delighted he did. But when you have a fully charged John McGinn available you play him. It's a massive upgrade.
I thought Whelan did well at Stoke to be fair
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There are only 4 truly decent players in our squad - Mings, Abraham, Grealish and McGinn. To leave 25% of our really good players out would be extreme folly. Especially as the main characteristics of the two midfield players that McGinn should replace are being slow in the one case and physically weak in the other.
We are in the championship and think at this standard we have far more than 4 decent players
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Hause and Mings centre halves for me. Both physical, big, good in the air and can transition out of defence.
Dominate the ball and Taylor won't be so exposed.
Agreed.
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We carry ,uniquely, the name of this great City of Birmingham ...
we set the standards and those mincers degrade this City.
So proud to be Blues .... they ain't got a fekkin clue
The usual tropes coming out.
Of all the relentless bollocks they come out with, this is the most curious one. That they seriously believe any Villa fan has ever cared about their name is just odd.
You feel like you're watching some Attenborough documentary about unusual creatures who inhabit the midnight zone of the deepest oceans. Starved of light, these creatures shouldn't exist, yet they do, with their grotesque and puzzling appearances, habits and ways.
Never change Small Heath.
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I'd love to hear of these standards they believe they set.
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I'd love to hear of these standards they believe they set.
Most disliked club in the world?
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Not ever having lived in Birmingham or had any mates/family who were noses or had work colleagues who were noses, it’s always an utter mystery to me to hear or see on social media the huge levels of jealousy, inadequacy and inferiority they display towards us.
I’ve met literally hundreds of Man City, Everton, Spurs and other big city fans who despite being the supposed “lesser” club in these big city rivalries don’t behave like this.
We really are there reason for being.
Good luck to all who go, at least you won’t be getting kept in.
Play like we can and we can beat these by 2 clear goals.
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It's so funny. They took the name in the first place because nobody gave a shit about Small Heath, and still nobody gives a shit about them. The city they profess is theirs even mafe them stop using the coat of arms as a badge, lest anyone think they were in some way representative of us.
So they chose to decorate a pair of bollocks instead.
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And to honour the the bollocks badge, they have it tattooed. Upside down.
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And to honour the the bollocks badge, they have it tattooed. Upside down.
I used to know a lad that had it done in colour. The twat.
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My favourite line of theirs is when they go on about us taking coaches there. I agree that getting an official coach for a 3 mile journey is embarrassing and anyone getting one should hand their ticket back, but they do the same everytime they play at VP. Even going back to 2004 and 2005 I remember watching 15-20 coaches arrive as I walked up Witton Lane.
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I'm pretty sure they started doing this way before us. But they don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
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They've been bringing coaches to Villa Park in large numbers since the 2003 game disabused them of the errors in believing too much in your own bullshit.
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Been thinking about whether he brings back McGinn and if he does, who does he drop. After some thought, I'd drop Whelan. One thing that Grealish does when he plays is that he creates space for the wingers and I think dropping Hourihane after his two goals last week would be a mistake.
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Search Twitter for "Blues coaches". There's a video with some Brunmie phrases I didn't notice in the NYT quiz.
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I'd drop Whelan too.
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I'd love to hear of these standards they believe they set.
Most disliked club in the world?
I think they have set some records for violence (although to be fair to their fans there was a time in the early to mid eighties when the numbers of arrests were higher amongst their playing squad than their support), they have set records for relegations from the top flight and when it comes to bitterness, jealousy, obsession and delusion they deserve a place in the Guinness Book Of Records.
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Just fuck the fuckers, as some might say!
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I'd drop Whelan too.
Be interesting dropped him after last weeks MOM performance (imo)
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Kill your darlings. Whelan lacks mobility and if anything else I expect their midfield cloggers to run around a tad more than Derby.
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Kill your darlings. Whelan lacks mobility and if anything else I expect their midfield cloggers to run around a tad more than Derby.
That's just it. Thinking its going to be easy like Derby was is a mistake. There is also a case for having Whelan's experience in there as well though.
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I'd swap him in for Whelan. His passing's not as good, but he's got the pace and mobility to rectify his own mistakes. He offers more higher up the pitch, too. Although whether he could drop a corner on Grealish's foot...
I wouldn't sacrifice a wide man to accommodate him. For all their faults, to play without width would negate so much of what we can do well.
I wouldn't be left open-mouthed to see him come in at left-back, either. I think he'd add a lot to us from that position. He could arguably contribute more than he would if his main role was sitting in front of the centre-halves.
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I think throwing him at left back would be playing him for the sake of it. Not sure about that to be honest although he has got the energy for it.
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the blues dressing room will be chuffed to bits if they see we’ve put our second best midfielder on the bench
massive own goal before we even start
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Gents, are certain parts of Birmingham all Villa or all Blues? Or what is the history behind the two tribes, based on religion, industry or other lines?
As an outsider, the level of rivalry seems a little strange given that in my lifetime both clubs have rarely been in the same division.
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the blues dressing room will be chuffed to bits if they see we’ve put our second best midfielder on the bench
massive own goal before we even start
Couldn't agree more, you can't possibly compare last Saturday's match with the Blues game. Tomorrow the players, who last week had plenty of time to do what they like on the ball, will find exact opposite tomorrow, plus the intensity tomorrow will be 10 times it was last week. Which is why McGinn must play tomorrow.
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McGinn needs to be in.
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The inner city is Rags.
All Villa fans live in mansions in the Shires......don’t we.
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Gents, are certain parts of Birmingham all Villa or all Blues? Or what is the history behind the two tribes, based on religion, industry or other lines?
As an outsider, the level of rivalry seems a little strange given that in my lifetime both clubs have rarely been in the same division.
Traditionally north Brum is Villa and East Brum is Nose country. But these days, Villa are everywhere.
Noses have some presence in south Brum and in Solihull and Warwickshire, but so do Villa.
There's no undercurrent to the rivalry. The Noses propagate myths about being proper Brummies and Villa being middle class, but it's garbage.
Villa dominate Sutton Coldfield, but the Noses have plenty B90 post code supporters who are of equivalent socio economic level. Plus if you look at PWS map, Villa heartland is Erdington, KS, Castle Vale etc. Working class neighbourhoods.
No religion, no class differences, just the haves and the have nots.
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There's also the delicious irony that Small Heath used to be part of the parish of Aston. So they are literally a small town in Aston
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Start McGinn. Obviously.
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You can't be a true working class blue nose unless you were born in the vicinity of the the smell of stale piss running down the gutters from the Garrison pub.
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Gents, are certain parts of Birmingham all Villa or all Blues? Or what is the history behind the two tribes, based on religion, industry or other lines?
As an outsider, the level of rivalry seems a little strange given that in my lifetime both clubs have rarely been in the same division.
I think at the Blues's foundation they were in a solidly working class/slum area, whereas Villa definitely had professional people with better connections and skills at The Beginning. Aston was a much more affluent area in the 19th C, I think.
But that has changed drastically. Both fanbases have plenty of middle class and professional people following them. The 'working class team of Birmingham' thing was, as I recall, a clever marketing ploy deployed by Karen Brady when they were promoted in 2002. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny, but emotional soundbites are hard to shift with reasoned logic.
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Gents, are certain parts of Birmingham all Villa or all Blues? Or what is the history behind the two tribes, based on religion, industry or other lines?
As an outsider, the level of rivalry seems a little strange given that in my lifetime both clubs have rarely been in the same division.
We're global, they're hyperlocal.
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Gents, are certain parts of Birmingham all Villa or all Blues? Or what is the history behind the two tribes, based on religion, industry or other lines?
As an outsider, the level of rivalry seems a little strange given that in my lifetime both clubs have rarely been in the same division.
We're global, they're hyperlocal.
I saw a nose in Lincoln once. He looked like he was on the run from the police or overseeing the county lines operation.
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We're scared of playing at the Sty apparently.
A place we've lost 3 times in the league in 35 years.
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I think tomorrow Smith will play Whelan in the defensive role in front of Jedinak and Mings. Hause stays at LB, Elmo at RB. McGinn will then do the running around like nutcase role winning everything, Grealish pulling all the strings and Conor playing in behind Tammy with El Ghazi out wide.
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So you think he’ll drop Adomah?
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So you think he’ll drop Adomah?
He's had two decent games in about 12 months, it's hardly the scandal of the century.
El Ghazi is playing better and he has more potential to be a match winner (although can equally go missing if things start going wrong).
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Never said it was...I've said a few times that I'd drop Adomah too. We need to win the midfield battle and keep tight at the back so it makes complete sense to me.
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Gents, are certain parts of Birmingham all Villa or all Blues? Or what is the history behind the two tribes, based on religion, industry or other lines?
As an outsider, the level of rivalry seems a little strange given that in my lifetime both clubs have rarely been in the same division.
We're global, they're hyperlocal.
I saw a nose in Lincoln once. He looked like he was on the run from the police or overseeing the county lines operation.
Must have been the inspiration for Mark Williams' Fast Show sketch.
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I saw one of them abroad the other week. Well, North Wales, if that counts. There's millions of the fuckers in China though apparently.
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I actually live next door to one and he's a Head Teacher. Anyway, only a win will do tomorrow.
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My next door neighbour and his son are Noses (believe it or not, they are actually decent non-knuckledragger types), but they've stopped going to games and prefer going to the rugby instead now. Can't say I blame them but it takes the fun out of taking the piss out of them.
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I actually live next door to one and he's a Head Teacher. Anyway, only a win will do tomorrow.
He's not a scrawny bloke called Kevin is he?
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Anybody had any dreams about the game? I did the other night, we won 1-0 with a Grealish goal.
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I think tomorrow Smith will play Whelan in the defensive role in front of Jedinak and Mings. Hause stays at LB, Elmo at RB. McGinn will then do the running around like nutcase role winning everything, Grealish pulling all the strings and Conor playing in behind Tammy with El Ghazi out wide.
I think Smith has already hinted that Jedinak will come in as it's a single change in the back four, as opposed to Taylor coming in which would be three changes at the back.
It's a straight choice of Hourihane v McGinn in the middle, everything else is a fudge. If the Blues play two up top, then our three should dominate whatever two they have in there.
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I don’t think he’ll drop a player who scored twice last game playing in his best position and it would be hard to drop Whelan. But given the choice if has to make one of those decisions I’m putting in McGinn for Whelan.
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We're scared of playing at the Sty apparently.
A place we've lost 3 times in the league in 35 years.
I think they mean that as fans we are scared of going there because they are all as hard as nails and we are a bunch of fannies. I have been going there since I was ten and the only thing I have ever been scared of is catching a nasty disease. Although at the Frank Worthington testimonial* in 1986 a bird** shit on my head.
*I think he played for them for about three years but apparently he is one of their legends.
** A bird from the sky, I think it was a pigeon. Just in case you thought it was a female nose who objected to me cheering on Villa from their main stand.
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We're scared of playing at the Sty apparently.
I love this type of stuff in the build up, they always try and out do each other with this bollocks.
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I saw one of them abroad the other week. Well, North Wales, if that counts. There's millions of the fuckers in China though apparently.
There are about 57000 working at lungbrij for the Rover. All on night shift though.
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We're scared of playing at the Sty apparently.
A place we've lost 3 times in the league in 35 years.
I think they mean that as fans we are scared of going there because they are all as hard as nails and we are a bunch of fannies. I have been going there since I was ten and the only thing I have ever been scared of is catching a nasty disease. Although at the Frank Worthington testimonial* in 1986 a bird** shit on my head.
*I think he played for them for about three years but apparently he is one of their legends.
** A bird from the sky, I think it was a pigeon. Just in case you thought it was a female nose who objected to me cheering on Villa from their main stand.
I remember going in the 80's when Gary Thompson scored a brace. I'll admit it was a nasty atmosphere , one I hadn't experienced before hand. One thing that did reassure me was the fact that there was probably as many Villa fans in the sty as bluenoses. Another fact they have wiped from their sad history.
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At that Gary Thompson game we were singing ‘there’s only 6000 Blues fans.’
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We're scared of playing at the Sty apparently.
I love this type of stuff in the build up, they always try and out do each other with this bollocks.
ALWAYS. When they came back up to the Prem I was young but I remember all the bollocks about how they would be all over Villa Park taking the piss. Didn't really happen that night ;D
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They were all over Villa Park, well parts of them were.
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They were all over Villa Park, well parts of them were.
I had no idea the steps on the upper Witton were made out of rubber. 'Dem Noses sure can bounce.
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They were all over Villa Park, well parts of them were.
I had no idea the steps on the upper Witton were made out of rubber. 'Dem Noses sure can bounce.
It's not big and it's not clever.
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You mean celebrating a Geoff Horsefield goal in a Villa end? Or believing 16 years worth of nonsense and thinking a foam hand in the eye was the only thing you'd need to worry about?
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You mean celebrating a Geoff Horsefield goal in a Villa end? Or believing 16 years worth of nonsense and thinking a foam hand in the eye was the only thing you'd need to worry about?
You know full well what I mean. If you want to glorify all that nonsense do it somewhere else.
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I'm not glorifying anything. Just joining Lee in reminiscing about the most surprising and colourful night Villa Park has ever seen.
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I'm not glorifying anything. Just joining Lee in reminiscing about the most surprising and colourful night Villa Park has ever seen.
If that's your idea of surprising and colourful there's really no hope.
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I'm not glorifying anything. Just joining Lee in reminiscing about the most surprising and colourful night Villa Park has ever seen.
If that's your idea of surprising and colourful there's really no hope.
Dust off your shift and F7 keys if you want, but it was an extraordinary game, extraordinary build up and an extraordinary atmosphere. I've been a season ticket holder for 28 years, plenty will have seen football from many more decades than that. But I've never been in B6 with an atmosphere or events like that before or since. Perhaps why just over 16 years later Lee and others brought it up.
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I'm not glorifying anything. Just joining Lee in reminiscing about the most surprising and colourful night Villa Park has ever seen.
If that's your idea of surprising and colourful there's really no hope.
Dust off your shift and F7 keys if you want, but it was an extraordinary game, extraordinary build up and an extraordinary atmosphere. I've been a season ticket holder for 28 years, plenty will have seen football from many more decades than that. But I've never been in B6 with an atmosphere or events like that before or since. Perhaps why just over 16 years later Lee and others brought it up.
I thought it was a disgraceful night on and off the pitch but if you want to think of all that idiocy as something wonderful, feel free. Just not on here.
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I'm particular about the words I choose. If I wanted to describe it as wonderful, I would have done. Seeing as we lost, and my reputation being known, I wouldn't use a positive adjective.
If I was to use a word it would be evil. I follow us everywhere. Home, away, Europe and I'll take my comments further, in 28 years and a handful of games missed, I've never exprienced an atmosphere like it. There has been noise, argy bargy, some disgraceful police brutality. But nothing like that.
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I'm particular about the words I choose. If I wanted to describe it as wonderful, I would have done. Seeing as we lost, and my reputation being known, I wouldn't use a positive adjective.
If I was to use a word it would be evil. I follow us everywhere. Home, away, Europe and I'll take my comments further, in 28 years and a handful of games missed, I've never exprienced an atmosphere like it. There has been noise, argy bargy, some disgraceful police brutality. But nothing like that.
Neither have I and I hope I never experience another.
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I'm not glorifying anything. Just joining Lee in reminiscing about the most surprising and colourful night Villa Park has ever seen.
If that's your idea of surprising and colourful there's really no hope.
Dust off your shift and F7 keys if you want, but it was an extraordinary game, extraordinary build up and an extraordinary atmosphere. I've been a season ticket holder for 28 years, plenty will have seen football from many more decades than that. But I've never been in B6 with an atmosphere or events like that before or since. Perhaps why just over 16 years later Lee and others brought it up.
I thought it was a disgraceful night on and off the pitch but if you want to think of all that idiocy as something wonderful, feel free. Just not on here.
So did I.
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I'm particular about the words I choose. If I wanted to describe it as wonderful, I would have done. Seeing as we lost, and my reputation being known, I wouldn't use a positive adjective.
If I was to use a word it would be evil. I follow us everywhere. Home, away, Europe and I'll take my comments further, in 28 years and a handful of games missed, I've never exprienced an atmosphere like it. There has been noise, argy bargy, some disgraceful police brutality. But nothing like that.
Neither have I and I hope I never experience another.
Worst match I've ever attended in every aspect. Before, during and after.
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I don't condone it, I was there with my now wife and left with 15 minutes to go because she was scared. That shouldn't have to happen.
As bad as it was though, it put them back in their box on that front and things have been generally a lot safer since.
So I think we did them a favour.
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I saw one of them abroad the other week. Well, North Wales, if that counts. There's millions of the fuckers in China though apparently.
There are about 57000 working at lungbrij for the Rover. All on night shift though.
You know this myth about Blues fans at Longbridge really pisses me off.
I’m a Villa fan from Rubery and worked at The Austin from 1990-2005 and if anything I worked next to more Wolves and Albion fans than Blues to be honest. Obviously Villa fans were in the majority,
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More undead work at Longbridge than went to Bruges. And they took over 500,000 to Bruges.
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I saw one of them abroad the other week. Well, North Wales, if that counts. There's millions of the fuckers in China though apparently.
There are about 57000 working at lungbrij for the Rover. All on night shift though.
You know this myth about Blues fans at Longbridge really pisses me off.
I’m a Villa fan from Rubery and worked at The Austin from 1990-2005 and if anything I worked next to more Wolves and Albion fans than Blues to be honest. Obviously Villa fans were in the majority,
Not their fault, it's our best reason we've ever managed to come up with as to why hardly any of the fuckers actually turn up at their home games.
I mean, it can't be because there's really not that many of them, and those few are only bothered about two games a season, can it?
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I think most Blues fans work at Landrover....lots of overtime there apparently.
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I don’t think he’ll drop a player who scored twice last game playing in his best position and it would be hard to drop Whelan. But given the choice if has to make one of those decisions I’m putting in McGinn for Whelan.
for me, I don’t think it matters too much how he sets up (Smith)- only one, maybe two changes from last week, enforced by injuries. The main thing for me, is how he reacts to how the game pans out.
No manager has a crystal ball before the match, but they earn their coin, or the boos of the crowd, by how they use their subs. Smith seems to be the best one we’ve had in recent years, for reading the game and changing things accordingly.
Gone for a draw in the poll, but expecting us to win really.
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I just looked at their SHA site. I'm pretty sure that the word 'hubris' means nothing to them, because, well, most words mean nothing to them. They're very bullish.
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I just looked at their SHA site. I'm pretty sure that the word 'hubris' means nothing to them, because, well, most words mean nothing to them. They're very bullish.
I thought the same.
I think it's another reason they hate us so much. They've somehow got it in their heads that every time they play us, they'll smash us. And they don't. So throw an anti-Villa tantrum.
Imagine if they win. Will they enjoy it or simply revert to telling us how shit we are and how blue the city is? I'm guessing the latter.
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If they get a draw they will be starting to dream of a new mirror being released.
(https://i.ibb.co/gJ7ywnY/54192529-10218224721119191-4164257770301816832-n.jpg)
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They've been unbearable for the past few years with their moral victories. When they finally do beat us it will be next level. I expect this site swell with weird twats like that oddball Albion thing in the accounts thread.
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Come on Villa lets just do it -COYLs
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They're full if themselves. Hubris is a good word for their state of mind.
Setting off down the M6 now and I am quite excited. I love these games.
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Come on you Villa boys! Let's beat the scummy b-stards from sty andrews! 3 points vital to close the gap on 6th place! UTV! VTID!
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We're scared of playing at the Sty apparently.
A place we've lost 3 times in the league in 35 years.
I think they mean that as fans we are scared of going there because they are all as hard as nails and we are a bunch of fannies. I have been going there since I was ten and the only thing I have ever been scared of is catching a nasty disease. Although at the Frank Worthington testimonial* in 1986 a bird** shit on my head.
*I think he played for them for about three years but apparently he is one of their legends.
** A bird from the sky, I think it was a pigeon. Just in case you thought it was a female nose who objected to me cheering on Villa from their main stand.
I remember going in the 80's when Gary Thompson scored a brace. I'll admit it was a nasty atmosphere , one I hadn't experienced before hand. One thing that did reassure me was the fact that there was probably as many Villa fans in the sty as bluenoses. Another fact they have wiped from their sad history.
I was stood on the Kop that day with my girlfriend. Couldn’t get in the villa end and left the queue before they opened the turnstiles like at Hillsborough. Wouldn’t say my celebrations were exactly exuberant though.
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Just off a flight from Fort Lauderdale to find my connecting one to Edinburgh now departs just as the second half kicks off. Yesterday was my 15th anniversary without a drink but that sobriety might be in jeopardy depending on the news I receive upon arrival in Scotland!
Nevertheless, I predict a 1-2 with the home support getting all worked up with their (rightful) inferiority complex and Gardner getting a red card.
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Snow on the way down. Let's hope it warms up.
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I can't decide between a 2-2 draw or a 1-3 win to us. I just hope we start the game better than we did last time.
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Snow on the way down. Let's hope it warms up.
It clears up in a bit for you just arriving wolves and it’s clear
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Heart says "fuck the fuckers as usual!" My head says "they are long overdue a win and the odds are shortening!" I've just started a new job 400 yards away from the Hawthorns and the place is naturally brimming with bogeyes. Should we lose the piss-taking will be fearsome. I hate these games. I feel a bit sick!
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Is Jedinak at CB a serious proposition? Good God.
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If they get a draw they will be starting to dream of a new mirror being released.
(https://i.ibb.co/gJ7ywnY/54192529-10218224721119191-4164257770301816832-n.jpg)
Jesus wept.
I don't remember the 0-0 very well (was it the one when the fat Dunn lad tried the rabona?) but the 2-2 can't even go down as one of their legendary "moral victories", not even by their pitiful standards.
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Let’s do it for basil aka cricket jumper Steve
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off to the Stockland , business as usual , McGinn with a screamer.
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McGinn is on the bench.
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Taylor starts.
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At that Gary Thompson game we were singing ‘there’s only 6000 Blues fans.’
I was at this game in '87 and along with the March '03 match at Villa Park I think they were two of the most hostile atmospheres I have ever witnessed.
Today concerns me simply because I think they are due a win.
I hope I am wrong...
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Phone silence from the Bluenose Lines (aka Nose family members) this week: not one "Mind the Gap" text, even.
I can't decide whether it's a good omen or not!
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All a bit heated by the Forge with the Villa Stone Island lot. A Nose kicking off on a fellow Nose too with his daughter who was visibly distressed.
They're utter scum.