Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: ASHTONVILLA on February 08, 2019, 08:34:25 PM
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Might as well get this started.
I wanted Smith in but we look clueless. If this doesn't get better he will have to go before next season.
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So maybe you could wait til then to start this.
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Jesus Christ we honestly deserve the shit we get at times about being fickle.
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Astonishing.
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Ha ha hilarious. Do fuck off.
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Jesus Christ we honestly deserve the shit we get at times about being fickle.
This. Absolutely this.
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Unbelievable, give the guy a chance.
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Bit premature but there's no denying he's doing a shit job at present. Job looks too big for him. Hard to see things improving when we lose Jack, SJM and Tammy in the summer.
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Martin not far away from the trigger....
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He’ll be here till xmas at least
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It’s ridiculous. He’s kept us up for God’s sake.
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Twat! It's Bruce's team. Brainless idiot!
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I wish we could sack most of the squad.
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Twat! It's Bruce's team. Brainless idiot!
That's no way to talk about our manager.
And i'm sure it was our manager you were talking about as you wouldn't be daft enough to speak like that to another poster.
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It can only be Smith's Villa connection buying him time. It's certainly not his performance in the job so far.
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Oh my god that is the worst I’ve ever seen.
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I wouldn't call for his head yet, but if he did piss off, I would not give a single fuck.
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Might as well get this started.
I wanted Smith in but we look clueless. If this doesn't get better he will have to go before next season.
You should be embarrassed.
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That’s Smiths excuse for the defeat then. “The keeper had two hands on it”
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Sheff Utd and Norwich.
2 clubs that have been patient with their managers and are pushing for promotion.
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I don't see the need for this just yet. Give the bloke a chance.
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It's appeared at a similar time into his reign as the Bruce one did. So only fair it stays just as that one did.
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FFS! Get a grip!
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Ffs, it’s shit yes, but can we let him build a team of his own? This pile of shit is not his doing. This is years of stock piling over rated players.
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Might as well get this started.
I wanted Smith in but we look clueless. If this doesn't get better he will have to go before next season.
So we've 15 games left this season and you're starting a thread now saying he should go?
Looks to me like David O'Leary was right.
He's had one January window to address the serious imbalance we had in the squad. He and the board need to change the entire playing style and ethos.
Fans knee-jerk and impatient responses do nothing, absolutely nothing to help.
I wonder why people bother.
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Sheff Utd and Norwich.
2 clubs that have been patient with their managers and are pushing for promotion.
Great point. What a ridiculous thread
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It looks awful at the moment but I think we need to remember Smith's record at other clubs and give him a lot of time to build his own squad. No point keep switching managers and buying or loaning overated aging players. The chance to bounce back relatively quickly to the Premier League has gone now. We need to rebuild properly for once - I think Smith is the right sort of manager to do that but he's got no chance if he's not given real time.
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We have to be the only club that takes these up and coming managers and ruins them. Lambert, Garde and now Smith. Why the fuck is it Bournemouth find Howe or other clubs find managers to at least get them out of the Championship? Fuck I hate this.
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He's had 20 games in charge, Bruce had 21 when his thread appeared. I'm still in favour of Smith but I don't see why this thread gets a lot more criticism than the Bruce thread did.
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Jesus fucking Christ.
Yeah, let's get Allardyce or Moyes in to stop the rot.
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One back
Oh, wrong thread.
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He's had 20 games in charge, Bruce had 21 when his thread appeared. I'm still in favour of Smith but I don't see why this thread gets a lot more criticism than the Bruce thread did.
Because Bruce was a Bluenose and we always had it in for him.
Or rather Bruce had a far more balanced squad to pick from. Look at what he left behind?
Bruce's remit was promotion. Smith's was to build something for the future. The board said immediate promotion wasn't necessary, building for the future is.
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It’s ridiculous. He’s kept us up for God’s sake.
And now we’ve scored. Progress!!
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He's had 20 games in charge, Bruce had 21 when his thread appeared. I'm still in favour of Smith but I don't see why this thread gets a lot more criticism than the Bruce thread did.
Steve Bruce.
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3-3. How do you feel?
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It’s ridiculous. He’s kept us up for God’s sake.
And now we’ve scored. Progress!!
Three times.
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That’s Smiths excuse for the defeat then. “The keeper had two hands on it”
The excuse for not winning maybe.
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How do you feel now?? Ref was absolute shite. Clear penalty with pull on Mings shirt. Their second was offside and a foul on Kalinic. SHIT FUCKING REF!!
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Yes. Worked brilliant to swap managers every 6 months
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It's not over until it's over. Yes we were fucking crap for the first 80 minutes. But, it is not over until it is over!
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No wonder our fans are a laughing stock. FFS.
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This thread would have been embarrassing if we'd lost 3-0.
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Now delete this bloody thread until at least After the play off final
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Jesus
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We have been shite of late but we have to have a stiffer upper lip than this. We've tried the swapping manager's route and it doesn't work. We all want Villa restored to our former glory and yes that seems a million miles away but we've got to be patient now and hopefully see the benefit later.
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No wonder our fans are a laughing stock. FFS.
Agree. Some people haven't got a clue. DS needs two windows to sort this out. He can only be judged when he gets his own players in.
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Poor, Chris. I hope he at stayed until the end.
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The last 10 mins tonight aside, it hasn’t been good for a few months, and at 3-0, looked very, very poor. However even if we had lost tonight, Dean needs at least, two more transfer windows, before we can really call this.
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This is silly, but he needs to sort it out or he won’t ever get the chance to have a squad of his players.
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I don’t know what’s happened since we looked good but without any info we can pretty much see the motivation has gone - chase the ball and run around a lot? No thanks. Why? Fecking why all the time regardless of manager? WHY? I used to work for the council and I’ll get pelters for saying this but we knew we were on a soft gig and didn’t try very hard - I can only assume these effers have let the rot in. I literally don’t like my team - I hate it all.
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Oh and for ‘you need your own players’ see one ole Gunnar solsjaer - under the belt I know but still..
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Oh and for ‘you need your own players’ see one ole Gunnar solsjaer - under the belt I know but still..
And look at the quality at his disposal!
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Can't believe this thread exists.
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I have faith we can assemble a team in which he can work with. His approach requires players with that ethos, our current crop of stock piled Championship shite can it do it.
We need two new full backs a centre midfielder or two and probably a replacement for a jack and Tammy.
We’ve rebuilt so many times without a plan, we do have a plan now, that much I’m certain.
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Oh and for ‘you need your own players’ see one ole Gunnar solsjaer - under the belt I know but still..
And look at the quality at his disposal!
Well in comparison you can argue we have a pretty good squad
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Can't believe this thread exists.
Exactly. Maybe someone could delete it quickly and we can move on.
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Utter nonsense.
But while we're at it...I don't know who the next manager will be but might as well get it started...Next Manager OUT !
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A pathetic thread and whoever started it and supports it should be embarrassed. It seems like some so-called fans have forgotten what it takes to support their club. UTV!
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Neither can I. I did lock it.
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Oh and for ‘you need your own players’ see one ole Gunnar solsjaer - under the belt I know but still..
You taking the piss? Look at his squad? Look at the players ffs, then look at ours.
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Oh and for ‘you need your own players’ see one ole Gunnar solsjaer - under the belt I know but still..
You taking the piss? Look at his squad? Look at the players ffs, then look at ours.
I think the concept of it all being relative is important here.
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If only we had sacked Ron Saunders when we were mid-table in Division Two, half way through his first season at Villa Park, who knows what we might have gone on to achieve.
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Ridiculous
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Oh and for ‘you need your own players’ see one ole Gunnar solsjaer - under the belt I know but still..
And look at the quality at his disposal!
Well in comparison you can argue we have a pretty good squad
No we don't. Taylor, Hutton, Bjarnasson, Whelan, Jedinak, a disinterested Kodjia, Hourihane, Richards, Nyland. I'm sure there are one or two more. Ole couldn't fail as United needed positivity and they got it with him telling them to go out and express themselves. Smith inherited a bag of second division shit and is trying to make it work.
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Oh and for ‘you need your own players’ see one ole Gunnar solsjaer - under the belt I know but still..
You taking the piss? Look at his squad? Look at the players ffs, then look at ours.
I think the concept of it all being relative is important here.
No chance, we’re not the equivalent of Utd are we? RDM and Bruce spent a lot of money. That does not mean fuck all. Look at Everton, Utd have a very very good squad with world class players.
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Oh and for ‘you need your own players’ see one ole Gunnar solsjaer - under the belt I know but still..
You taking the piss? Look at his squad? Look at the players ffs, then look at ours.
I think the concept of it all being relative is important here.
No chance, we’re not the equivalent of Utd are we? RDM and Bruce spent a lot of money. That does not mean fuck all. Look at Everton, Utd have a very very good squad with world class players.
Their squad is miles behind that of the other teams in the top 6. Is ours worse than the 8 teams above us? Should we be getting played off the park by teams like Wigan?
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Oh and for ‘you need your own players’ see one ole Gunnar solsjaer - under the belt I know but still..
You taking the piss? Look at his squad? Look at the players ffs, then look at ours.
I think the concept of it all being relative is important here.
I didn’t spell it out but maybe I should have - a team of supposed talent not producing results deemed appropriate for their talent and worth (I know all debatable) but with marked improvement with the same people. It could be Accrington Stanley (who are they) but the point stands. A relative newcomer to management has made a team better consistently.
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I know, I was agreeing with you.
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Oh and for ‘you need your own players’ see one ole Gunnar solsjaer - under the belt I know but still..
You taking the piss? Look at his squad? Look at the players ffs, then look at ours.
I think the concept of it all being relative is important here.
No chance, we’re not the equivalent of Utd are we? RDM and Bruce spent a lot of money. That does not mean fuck all. Look at Everton, Utd have a very very good squad with world class players.
Their squad is miles behind that of the other teams in the top 6. Is ours worse than the 8 teams above us? Should we be getting played off the park by teams like Wigan?
We’re a mish mash of players though. At least The Special One had assembled a squad of players in the positions required. How long has Hutton been here? How long have we been trying to find a centre half, we have Taylor. We’ve had no spine what so ever. Whelan is the best by far at our club in that role.
We look shit so agree, I just have a bit of faith in the road ahead.
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Oh and for ‘you need your own players’ see one ole Gunnar solsjaer - under the belt I know but still..
You taking the piss? Look at his squad? Look at the players ffs, then look at ours.
I think the concept of it all being relative is important here.
I didn’t spell it out but maybe I should have - a team of supposed talent not producing results deemed appropriate for their talent and worth (I know all debatable) but with marked improvement with the same people. It could be Accrington Stanley (who are they) but the point stands. A relative newcomer to management has made a team better consistently.
Over his first five or six games yes, as Dean Smith did.
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A relative newcomer to management has made a team better consistently.
That relative newcomer has been managing since 2008.
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Sorry Risso - bad quote from me - heck considering the sheep storm I’ve just created I need all the like mindedness i can get - think I got a glimpse of piers Morgan’s life
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I don’t want him out, I want him to succeed. That doesn’t mean promotion this season, but I want to see performances that make me believe we will be promoted next year.
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If only we had sacked Ron Saunders when we were mid-table in Division Two, half way through his first season at Villa Park, who knows what we might have gone on to achieve.
Dont go there this guy is no Ron Saunders.
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Smith out is a daft call but he definitely needs to get a grip. There hasn't really been any overall improvement.
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A relative newcomer to management has made a team better consistently.
That relative newcomer has been managing since 2008.
And was lined up to be our manager seven years ago.
This thread is fucking embarrassing.
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Ridiculous thread.
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It certainly is. I’m sure Fat Sam and Pullis would get these lads playing though. That’s the answer.
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It’s this shit that stops me posting on this site. Ludicrous thread and a brain dead attitude. There’s a reason why we’re languishing in the championship whilst also being a bit of a laughing stock regarding the fickle nature of our fans. Yeah let’s sack him, get Wagner in and start a whole new thread in September..... totally mental.
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If only we had sacked Ron Saunders when we were mid-table in Division Two, half way through his first season at Villa Park, who knows what we might have gone on to achieve.
Dont go there this guy is no Ron Saunders.
That may well be the case. The point is though, Smith doesn't deserve the sort of criticism he's getting on here, just a few months into his appointment; and to call for him to be sacked is simply ridiculous.
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Can understand the frustration but I honestly think the board have given him assurances rightly or wrongly that promotion this season isn't a must (which explains a indifferent transfer window) and seemingly lack of urgency to try to rescue this season.
Seems like we're all saying it for the 100th time but massive transfer window ahead this summmer, we will see a massive overhaul of the squad particularly in the central midfield area which has been a problem for us for ages.
No guarentee of course we'll get better than we have now of course especially with no Abraham and possibly no Grealish.
When we appointed Steve Bruce I basically judged him from the first game of 17-18 so important to be consistant.
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Smith out? Really ?!! Wow.... Bigger picture and all that...we haven't got the players to play the way he wants to....especially midfield and full backs.
They'll be a huge clear out in the summer....and Jack will more than likely be off. Judge the guy this time next year...no-ones coming in and doing a quick fix with the midfield and full backs we have.
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Wilder looks like a proper manager. Smith looks lost snd out of his depth.
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It’s the gutless few villa players that need sacking. Hourihane, Taylor and Jedinak.
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Wilder looks like a proper manager. Smith looks lost snd out of his depth.
Ridiculous.
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Wilder looks like a proper manager. Smith looks lost snd out of his depth.
He's been managing them for nearly 3 years !! Slight difference...
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Might as well get this started.
I wanted Smith in but we look clueless. If this doesn't get better he will have to go before next season.
WANKER
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Wilder looks like a proper manager. Smith looks lost snd out of his depth.
Really? Ffs
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Wilder looks like a proper manager. Smith looks lost snd out of his depth.
You’re fucking joking right? He’s been there nearly 3 years
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Fans can only comment on what they see. At times it’s been poor & that frustrates. Last Saturday at Reading I was really pissed off & tonight, for large parts of the game. I believe you can question him, that’s the point of a forum, but calling for him to be sacked, I struggle to understand.
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It is a stupid thread, the existing Dean thread can debate his performance. Surely no one genuinely wants him out yet.
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Sorry Ashton this is garbage.
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Christ Smith managing us for three years The mind boggles.
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If you gave Alain Ducasse.two chicken breasts and asked him to give you beef stew then do you think he could pull it off ?
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We didn't play well tonight , and got out of jail.
I was pissed off , but glad I stayed til the end .
I can't believe someone has started this embarrassing thread .
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A relative newcomer to management has made a team better consistently.
That relative newcomer has been managing since 2008.
And was lined up to be our manager seven years ago.
This thread is fucking embarrassing.
We don't agree on many things but in this we agree 100%.
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Smith needs backing to the absolute hilt, don’t want to? Stay the fuck away...
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Christ Smith managing us for three years The mind boggles.
So you essentially want him to fail then as the thought of him managing us for three years horrifies you?
Baffling mentality
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Locked by me for the second time.
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A relative newcomer to management has made a team better consistently.
That relative newcomer has been managing since 2008.
And was lined up to be our manager seven years ago.
This thread is fucking embarrassing.
Exactly.