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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on January 19, 2019, 04:59:01 PM
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Another season beckons.
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Haven’t we conceded more than Rotherham this season?
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Shite again, yes we managed to salvage a draw but Hull at home? Fucking dire. It’s absolutely unacceptable.
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More two twos than a ballet dancer. Point rescued but rubbish again. Defence and midfield terrible, only rescued by decent attack again. Play offs still in reach but no chance with these losers and big questions about Mr Smith.
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Another weekend spoiled.
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Can I just say the talk of our relegation is pathetic. Fickle? Maybe.
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we're just not good enough!
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Just two shots on target throughout. After the horrendous start Hull had to the season, they are above us in the table. We are a joke.
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All very average.
Chester continues to struggle and is Hourihane the most light-weight centre-mid ever to play for us ?
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Well we won’t be signing El Ghazi and Bolasie in the summer...
i wonder whether we have the option to send them both back?
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A brilliant fightback to secure a point against the division's form team...
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More two twos than a ballet dancer. Point rescued but rubbish again. Defence and midfield terrible, only rescued by decent attack again. Play offs still in reach but no chance with these losers and big questions about Mr Smith.
Big questions - boy there’s some hyperbole on this thread, there really is. Here’s been here 2 mins, trying to turn round 7/8 seasons of decline - and your questioning him already.
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5th consecutive home league game we've scored at least twice and not won, and the 8th league game this season we've scored at least 2 and not won, 7 of them at home.
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5th consecutive home league game we've scored at least twice and not won, and the 8th league game this season we've scored at least 2 and not won, 7 of them at home.
Sums up our season really. Can have all the (on paper) good attackers but the promotion teams need a balanced 11.
In isolation 2-2 isn't too bad against very in form opposition but we've fallen well off the pace now for top 6.
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Been out all day shooting a music video but doesn't seem I was too far out with my prediction of another home 2-2 with Bowen running the show. I really should try and make money from the Villa, they only give you misery otherwise
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Another waste of £6 for AVTV.
Utter crap.
Tactically, Smith has been crap since the West Brom game. I don't like his selections, his substitutions or the way he sets us up to start games.
He won't be here much longer if things continue like this.
Personally, I can't forget the football we played away at Derby and Middlesbrough, and to an extent at West Brom. That little glimmer of hope keeps me supporting him and wanting him to do well.
Other than those above games, we've been pretty damn poor. We weren't that good in the derby, we've scraped draws today and in the Stoke home match.
Swansea should have beat us in the league game at their place, and smashed us in the cup, whilst we were poor away at Preston and at home to QPR.
Ah, I don't know. I've had too much wine, and did not enjoy watching Hutton fucking about and making mistake after mistake in a drab 2-2 at home to Hull.
I like McGinn and Abraham. And Kodjia a little bit. The rest are garbage.
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More two twos than a ballet dancer. Point rescued but rubbish again. Defence and midfield terrible, only rescued by decent attack again. Play offs still in reach but no chance with these losers and big questions about Mr Smith.
Big questions - boy there’s some hyperbole on this thread, there really is. Here’s been here 2 mins, trying to turn round 7/8 seasons of decline - and your questioning him already.
Yeah but the questions need asking. As bad as anything in the last 5 seasons.
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Another weekend spoiled.
I see it as an improvement !!
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More two twos than a ballet dancer. Point rescued but rubbish again. Defence and midfield terrible, only rescued by decent attack again. Play offs still in reach but no chance with these losers and big questions about Mr Smith.
Big questions - boy there’s some hyperbole on this thread, there really is. Here’s been here 2 mins, trying to turn round 7/8 seasons of decline - and your questioning him already.
I agree with but at the same time there's been nothing to make me think we've got ourselves a gem.
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Thought we were utterly abysmal. Only bits of individual quality came from McGinn and Abraham, nothing else.
Smith's sole tactic with the ball appears to be to shove it wide and get it into the box, like Moyes Man Utd.
Without the ball we are as hopeless as ever, El Ghazi strolling back after losing the ball up the pitch says it all
Both full backs exposed one on one throughout, little or no understanding between centre halves and keeper
Midfield, a black hole, Hourihane a hologram, Bjarnasson a pub player, Green, no guile or confidence when he came in
.....and I only saw the second half
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Well we won’t be signing El Ghazi and Bolasie in the summer...
i wonder whether we have the option to send them both back?
El Kharzi has had, what, one decent game for us. The less said about Bolasie the better. Utter waste of space.
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Until we get two new full backs, central midfielder these crappy performances will continue, the next week or so is gonna be so critical.
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is Hourihane the most light-weight centre-mid ever to play for us ?
Yes
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Automatic gone & play offs gone, here for another season
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Well we won’t be signing El Ghazi and Bolasie in the summer...
i wonder whether we have the option to send them both back?
El Kharzi has had, what, one decent game for us. The less said about Bolasie the better. Utter waste of space.
I would kick these two into touch now, for what they must be costing, they are delivering nothing.
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Only 2 sides have scored more than us (Norwich and the bitters), only 2 have conceded more than us (Rotherham and Ipswich).
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Another really poor game and a poor result. This just isn't good enough.
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Shite. No positives for me.
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Another weekend spoiled.
I see it as an improvement !!
It feels like a defeat due to the performance. That first half was shockingly poor. We huffed and puffed second half but overall it was an extremely disappointing display.
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At this time I like to predict how the in-house interviewer starts his post-match debrief with Smith.
*serious voice*
Dean, a battling performance to come back from 2-0 down, but ultimately another two points dropped at home. How did you see it?
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Automatic gone & play offs gone, here for another season
I’d like to say this is a bit OTT but there is no reason to see our form turning around in what remains of the season. Massively disappointed and Smith can’t be excused all blame.
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At this time I like to predict how the in-house interviewer starts his post-match debrief with Smith.
*serious voice*
Dean, a battling performance to come back from 2-0 down, but ultimately another two points dropped at home. How did you see it?
And how many times will DS start a sentence "yes no"?
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7 points off the play offs with so called easy games nearly completed. Going nowhere this season.
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Another weekend spoiled.
I see it as an improvement !!
It feels like a defeat due to the performance. That first half was shockingly poor. We huffed and puffed second half but overall it was an extremely disappointing display.
Very much agreed, mate.
We got the equaliser in the 64th minute.
There was no urgency to get a winner in the final 26 minutes. Really really worried about our players and their attitude towards the club.
No positives at all today.
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At this time I like to predict how the in-house interviewer starts his post-match debrief with Smith.
*serious voice*
Dean, a battling performance to come back from 2-0 down, but ultimately another two points dropped at home. How did you see it?
And how many times will DS start a sentence "yes no"?
He's Known as Mr Yes No in our house.
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Automatic gone & play offs gone, here for another season
Im wondering have we settled for that at management and board level already?
The two signings already made this month certainly dont seem the types to come straight into a team.
Elphick, Steer and Green all back from loans and a bunch of players in the last few months of their contracts still involved in the first team.
Has an end of days feel to it.
Grealish's injury was obviously a huge below but Ive been distinctly unimpressed by Smith since then.
We have completely fallen apart.
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Smith has a defined way of playing. Unfortunately he doesn't have the personnel to implement it. He's either got to be given time to reshape the squad or encouraged to try and adapt his style to fit the squad.
The latter is a non starter as we have so many poor players who can't do the basics right.
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Nothing will change until we sign at least two quality defenders and two quality midfielders. But I’m afraid question do have to be asked about both Smith and Terry. Something stinks about the place again.
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Although we don’t like it and don’t want to admit it but with the prima Donna big earners going at end of season and loans , if not some in rest of this month, it’s not going to get better for a long long while .
Can’t afford big earners, lot more dead wood needs to go, there’s little chance we’ll be using high paid loanees .
We’ll end up with squad similar to DS used to like Brentford come this time next year and it’ll be up to him to coach and get results.
While all that change going on and another 3 prem teams get relegated with parachute payments plus those already in championship still with parachutes spending bigger than us being around, there’s an awful lot of rebuilding to do.
I’ve been frustrated with DS the last few weeks thinking if it was Bruce, we’d be throwing more than savoys by now and he’s going the same way, but we’ve got nothing more than we got at the moment .
Pointless slagging current regime at mo we just got to buckle in and enjoy the next 2 or 3 years ride best we can
Edit...oh and btw if Steer or Nyland had played today they would have saved the first goal quite easily . We would have then won the game with a very mediocre performance like most other mid table teams do
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Can we send bolaise back now
If he is on 70k a week , what a balls up that is.
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Automatic gone & play offs gone, here for another season
Im wondering have we settled for that at management and board level already?
The two signings already made this month certainly dont seem the types to come straight into a team.
Elphick, Steer and Green all back from loans and a bunch of players in the last few months of their contracts still involved in the first team.
Has an end of days feel to it.
Grealish's injury was obviously a huge below but Ive been distinctly unimpressed by Smith since then.
We have completely fallen apart.
I think we have, see this season out then build again. Really unhappy about today, we start so slowly
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Take a poor field with poor soil that has been neglected for years and no matter what quick fix chemicals or nutrients you put into the soil no crops will really flourish. The field will take a few years of good management with the right nutrients and compost before any decent crops will grow. That is where Aston Villa is at today.
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Can we send bolaise back now
If he is on 70k a week , what a balls up that is.
Same old Villa
There is a reason clubs are willing to sell/loan these players payed this much. They are not good enough.
Bring in hungry young players on 15k a month not these donkeys.
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Can we send bolaise back now
If he is on 70k a week , what a balls up that is.
7k a week would be too much.
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Pity about first 40 mins when we were shocking and only 2-0’down
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Automatic gone & play offs gone, here for another season
Im wondering have we settled for that at management and board level already?
The two signings already made this month certainly dont seem the types to come straight into a team.
Elphick, Steer and Green all back from loans and a bunch of players in the last few months of their contracts still involved in the first team.
Has an end of days feel to it.
Grealish's injury was obviously a huge below but Ive been distinctly unimpressed by Smith since then.
We have completely fallen apart.
That is the one bit I can’t understand....all signings from now should be to improve...Hause !?
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Nothing will change until we sign at least two quality defenders and two quality midfielders. But I’m afraid question do have to be asked about both Smith and Terry. Something stinks about the place again.
Yes of cource it does but he was a 'please the fans appointment' just like Lambert and I expect he will be given far more time than his managerial ability deserves. We all saw how that ended.
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Although we don’t like it and don’t want to admit it but with the prima Donna big earners going at end of season and loans , if not some in rest of this month, it’s not going to get better for a long long while .
Can’t afford big earners, lot more dead wood needs to go, there’s little chance we’ll be using high paid loanees .
We’ll end up with squad similar to DS used to like Brentford come this time next year and it’ll be up to him to coach and get results.
While all that change going on and another 3 prem teams get relegated with parachute payments plus those already in championship still with parachutes spending bigger than us being around, there’s an awful lot of rebuilding to do.
I’ve been frustrated with DS the last few weeks thinking if it was Bruce, we’d be throwing more than savoys by now and he’s going the same way, but we’ve got nothing more than we got at the moment .
Pointless slagging current regime at mo we just got to buckle in and enjoy the next 2 or 3 years ride best we can
Edit...oh and btw if Steer or Nyland had played today they would have saved the first goal quite easily . We would have then won the game with a very mediocre performance like most other mid table teams do
LNS< thanks, a good summary of my post ....There is a reason clubs are willing to sell/loan these players payed this much. They are not good enough.
Bring in hungry young players on 15k a week not these donkeys.
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The time to judge DS is when he gets his own team together. Grealish and Tuanzebe are big losses - as soon as they return I'm sure results will improve. Still a good chance of the play-offs....
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Can we send bolaise back now
If he is on 70k a week , what a balls up that is.
He's another one who looks as if he is about to retire
no heart or zip about him at all, going through the motions
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The time to judge DS is when he gets his own team together. Grealish and Tuanzebe are big losses - as soon as they return I'm sure results will improve. Still a good chance of the play-offs....
Have you seen the tactical meltdown of recent games?
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Negatives
A long straight ball and Chester being the wrong side of Martin. Where have we seen that? We're too easy to score against. Hull didn't have to do much at all and indeed didn't, but we gift them two goals and switch off at the death.
There were several opportunities to stop both goals and we didn't take them. Much like the 7 in the box against Wigan for their first.
We've got to defend better. There's no midfield cover and Taylor in particular is such a weak link.
The transition from defence to midfield without Axel is too slow and it makes us easy to defend against.
The crowd booing and adding to the nervousness of the players.
BB was a waste of a shirt. Endeavours with his runs, but lacks quality and doesn't add anything.
Bolasie, poor.
Positives
We upped our tempo and off the ball effort. We kept Hull pinned back and were a lot quicker with the delivery.
We didn't work Marshall, enough, but we got into some good positions and I felt we deserved at least a point.
Good character to come back. Hopefully we take that effort on towards Ipswich, as we need wins and a good clutch on the spin.
442 didn't do us any harm and without a defensive midfielder or Grealish, I would persist with it.
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The time to judge DS is when he gets his own team together. Grealish and Tuanzebe are big losses - as soon as they return I'm sure results will improve. Still a good chance of the play-offs....
yep. people need to remember a lot of players are shit or past it. they were shit or past it before DS arrived. I'm not surprised some of them have returned to type. form is temporary, being shit is permanent.
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More two twos than a ballet dancer. Point rescued but rubbish again. Defence and midfield terrible, only rescued by decent attack again. Play offs still in reach but no chance with these losers and big questions about Mr Smith.
Big questions - boy there’s some hyperbole on this thread, there really is. Here’s been here 2 mins, trying to turn round 7/8 seasons of decline - and your questioning him already.
We clearly need to strengthen. Bruce left us with an unbalanced squad that neither he or Smith have been able to get a consistent tune out of. Although once a new man takes over the responsibility for results is down to him, so whilst I wouldn't hammer Smith he has to be held accountable to some extent. We can't be going through the rest of the season blaming Bruce and giving Smith a free pass. I inherited two different difficult jobs in the past but the minute I was in the boss's chair the buck stopped with me and blaming the previous manager wouldn't wash with my line management.
How much wriggle room do we have regarding any further loans in the transfer window?
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Nothing will change until we sign at least two quality defenders and two quality midfielders. But I’m afraid question do have to be asked about both Smith and Terry. Something stinks about the place again.
Yes of cource it does but he was a 'please the fans appointment' just like Lambert and I expect he will be given far more time than his managerial ability deserves. We all saw how that ended.
Smith hasn't been here long he may be the answer he may not.I'll reserve judgement on him until he has had a pre-season and has brought some of his own players in.Seems you and some others have already made their minds up.
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The trouble is that he hit the ground running and performances improved over night, we all got carried away and thought it we'd be top 3 in no time. Since Christmas the wheels have fallen off, but he really doesn't have the players to carry out his style, two good attacking full backs and a centre midfielder who can pass well and quickly. If he can't find who he wants in the next two weeks, i guess we will have to sit tight until the summer...ye gods.
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I think there was an element of it being a 'please the fans' appointment. But I think it was more about getting a head coach working with a sporting director set up.
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Nothing will change until we sign at least two quality defenders and two quality midfielders. But I’m afraid question do have to be asked about both Smith and Terry. Something stinks about the place again.
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Yes of cource it does but he was a 'please the fans appointment' just like Lambert and I expect he will be given far more time than his managerial ability deserves. We all saw how that ended.
Smith hasn't been here long he may be the answer he may not.I'll reserve judgement on him until he has had a pre-season and has brought some of his own players in.Seems you and some others have already made their minds up.
I’ve not made my mind up about Smith but I think even losing Jack and Axel doesn’t explain how we have reverted to shit mode. I think something stinks in this squad of players and if I was Smith I would send all the loans back , drop most of the rest and only play those with a genuine attitude to compete.
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Bottom line is the results are no better than they were under Bruce, which I have to say I am truly surprised about.
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I think its more to do with smith being a no-name. When Bruce took over he started well and then had a shit period during january and i don't remember everyone picking holes in him because it was Steve Bruce. It does worry me that Smith maybe hasn't got the authority to be given time to sort it out.
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More two twos than a ballet dancer. Point rescued but rubbish again. Defence and midfield terrible, only rescued by decent attack again. Play offs still in reach but no chance with these losers and big questions about Mr Smith.
Big questions - boy there’s some hyperbole on this thread, there really is. Here’s been here 2 mins, trying to turn round 7/8 seasons of decline - and your questioning him already.
We clearly need to strengthen. Bruce left us with an unbalanced squad that neither he or Smith have been able to get a consistent tune out of. Although once a new man takes over the responsibility for results is down to him, so whilst I wouldn't hammer Smith he has to be held accountable to some extent. We can't be going through the rest of the season blaming Bruce and giving Smith a free pass. I inherited two different difficult jobs in the past but the minute I was in the boss's chair the buck stopped with me and blaming the previous manager wouldn't wash with my line management.
How much wriggle room do we have regarding any further loans in the transfer window?
Send back El Ghazi and Bolasie and we should have plenty of capacity for further loans. We have a huge problem in the centre of the park that's affecting all areas of the pitch. But the attitude of these two is diabolical . Compare Snodgrass to either of them and it's night and day.
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Why are people truly surprised about the same kind of results and performances when the players are the same. We had a few great games, and then it’s dipped. But it’s the same players ffs and it’s what, 15 games? Come on.
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Can we send bolaise back now
If he is on 70k a week , what a balls up that is.
if true or even thereabouts this is why I no longer love " the game" - I called out this deal earlier in the season - Evertonians giving me the lowdown - poor attitude but why should he give a shit he still picks up the money irrespective of the effort he puts in....it's beyond a joke but this club keeps on making the same mistakes
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How come players that look half-decent at other clubs and for their country then come to play for us and turn into rat-shit?
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Unacceptable first half with McGinn aside, a complete lack of application and desire. Sat in the North Stand, it looked like both their goals went through the keeper, but will have to see them again.
The tempo was lifted in the second half and it was better if still a bit ragged at times. Green made an impact when he came on, even if his final ball was not great and I thought El Ghazi did well.
Kodjia made little impact and tried a ridiculous turn and cross in front of the Holte when he should have laid it off.
Chester and Elphick just don't look like a partnership, Taylor looks like he needs a break from the game, not sure why Hutton was chosen over Bree, Bolasie looked disinterested, and Hourihane and Bjarnason just aren't the answer in midfield.
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Sortofhighlights (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11612005/aston-villa-2-2-hull)
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Why are people truly surprised about the same kind of results and performances when the players are the same. We had a few great games, and then it’s dipped. But it’s the same players ffs and it’s what, 15 games? Come on.
Because we thought the current manager was better than the last and that might have an impact.
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Utter garbage.
Defensively we are wretched. Taylor is an accident waiting to happen, Hutton needs to be replaced, we look like we will concede every time people attack us.
Hourihane is a waste of space, as is Bolassie, and El Ghazi and Adomah are lazy bastards.
Not good enough, Dean.
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Shite. No positives for me.
Made me laugh! Concise, accurate, says it all in 5 words.
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DS post-match interview
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1086676082252808195
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To be fair after today Hull are unbeaten in their last ten league games. Winning seven and drawing three. Including wins over in form QPR, winning at Leeds, sticking three past Sheffield Wednesday and six past Bolton and drawing away to Norwich. In the three games prior to that run they beat Albion and drew with Small Heath then lost to Forest. Their recent league record is P14 W9 D4 L1
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Sortofhighlights (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11612005/aston-villa-2-2-hull)
Thanks.
Coming back from 2-0 shows resilience.
Kalinic made a good save at the end!
Ipswich next, so Dean and the lads have to feel confident about winning that one.
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When they went two up I feared a real embarrassment because we'd been terrible so on that basis fairly pleased with the point and to my mind we were the more likely winners. The table doesn't make great reading though and it looks we're going to miss out again unless Grealish is back soon and capable of carrying the team on a run.
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Today we played at home against an in form team. No it wasn't Liverpool,Man city or Chelsea it was Hull city. Grateful that we got a point. We won't be in the prem next season and it's a good job we won't be as we would be completely out of our depth. I think it will take more than 2 transfer windows to put us in a strong position.
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Take a poor field with poor soil that has been neglected for years and no matter what quick fix chemicals or nutrients you put into the soil no crops will really flourish. The field will take a few years of good management with the right nutrients and compost before any decent crops will grow. That is where Aston Villa is at today.
To be fair to Smith at least he’s trying something new, he’s sprinkling both flanks with manure in the shape of Hutton and Taylor with the centre receiving a steady dousing with BB and Hopelesshan.
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Great assist by Conor for Chester goal. It was good to get back into the game after going 2 goals down. Draws though aren't going to get us into the playoffs. Successful teams find a way of winning games like this and recent games we've drawn. We are struggling to find a way. Bolassie and Barny poor today. Defensively still fragile. There's still enough games to make an impact on the top 6 but we need Grealish back and some re-enforcemwnts in the transfer window. Well done Villa fans on raising the team in the 2nd half.
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To be fair after today Hull are unbeaten in their last ten league games. Winning seven and drawing three. Including wins over in form QPR, winning at Leeds, sticking three past Sheffield Wednesday and six past Bolton and drawing away to Norwich. In the three games prior to that run they beat Albion and drew with Small Heath then lost to Forest. Their recent league record is P14 W9 D4 L1
And here's me thinking they were crap .......must stop listening to some posters on here ;) that's a joke by the way !!!!
All joking aside it's sad when we are unable to be competitive in such an average league
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Utter garbage.
Defensively we are wretched. Taylor is an accident waiting to happen, Hutton needs to be replaced, we look like we will concede every time people attack us.
Hourihane is a waste of space, as is Bolassie, and El Ghazi and Adomah are lazy bastards.
Not good enough, Dean.
And this is it. It’s also why statements like ‘judge him when he’s got his own players’ just aren’t going to hold water. Yes there are personnel issues, but it doesn’t excuse constantly playing the same system even when it clearly doesn’t work (good that he finally seemed to realise that in the second half). He shouldn’t be sacked clearly, but he’s accountable for his decisions and has been from the moment he came in.
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We are desperate for leaders on the pitch. No one orchestrating the others and organising them in the pitch.
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Sortofhighlights (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11612005/aston-villa-2-2-hull)
Eh, our new keeper doesn't look great!
Chester kicked one off line and that was a sitter they missed at end.
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First 45 mins were a fucking disgrace.
If that was the ‘reaction’ to the Wigan humiliation then I think we have no chance.
Second half was better but we never really got up a head a steam that looked like we could win it, I don’t recall their keeper making a save and we could have lost it at the death.
Too many individual poor performances or bad choices at critical moments.
Bolasie is looking like his best days are well behind him.
Bjarnasen, as I have said before, offers great mobility but absolutely no quality.
And Hourihane was a powder puff, waste of fucking space, again.
And, thank heavens for McGinn, god knows where we’d be without him.
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Take a poor field with poor soil that has been neglected for years and no matter what quick fix chemicals or nutrients you put into the soil no crops will really flourish. The field will take a few years of good management with the right nutrients and compost before any decent crops will grow. That is where Aston Villa is at today.
To be fair to Smith at least he’s trying something new, he’s sprinkling both flanks with manure in the shape of Hutton and Taylor with the centre receiving a steady dousing with BB and Hopelesshan.
Spot on
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Utter garbage.
Defensively we are wretched. Taylor is an accident waiting to happen, Hutton needs to be replaced, we look like we will concede every time people attack us.
Hourihane is a waste of space, as is Bolassie, and El Ghazi and Adomah are lazy bastards.
Not good enough, Dean.
And this is it. It’s also why statements like ‘judge him when he’s got his own players’ just aren’t going to hold water. Yes there are personnel issues, but it doesn’t excuse constantly playing the same system even when it clearly doesn’t work (good that he finally seemed to realise that in the second half). He shouldn’t be sacked clearly, but he’s accountable for his decisions and has been from the moment he came in.
It's a good point. It's annoyed me over the years, when we've had managers I didn't rate, being excused with 'they're not his players'. My response was always along the lines of 'he's the manager. He needs to manage the players he does have. If he wants to work in recruitment then I'm sure someone will give him a job.'
Now that we have a manager (coach) that I do rate then the same principle has to apply. We badly miss Grealish but it's up to Smith to find a way to make do, and he hasn't. At all.
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Is Hogan injured? If not then it looks like Smith has seen enough. That was the one player I thought Smith would improve
Not even in the squad today with Davis and Green on the bench.
Hogan will be shipped out this window.
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Too many players in our team that give away possession and do nothing to win it back..
If you lose it, you win it back! Someone obviously said that to a young McGinn
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Is Hogan injured? If not then it looks like Smith has seen enough. That was the one player I thought Smith would improve
Not even in the squad today with Davis and Green on the bench.
Hogan will be shipped out this window.
Not injured, just fucking hopeless.
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Is Hogan injured? If not then it looks like Smith has seen enough. That was the one player I thought Smith would improve
Not even in the squad today with Davis and Green on the bench.
Hogan will be shipped out this window.
Who'd be daft enough to take him?
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Is Hogan injured? If not then it looks like Smith has seen enough. That was the one player I thought Smith would improve
Not even in the squad today with Davis and Green on the bench.
Hogan will be shipped out this window.
Who'd be daft enough to take him?
Sheffield Wednesday it is then..
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Take a poor field with poor soil that has been neglected for years and no matter what quick fix chemicals or nutrients you put into the soil no crops will really flourish. The field will take a few years of good management with the right nutrients and compost before any decent crops will grow. That is where Aston Villa is at today.
Well ours should be well fertilised by now with all the shit on for the last few years.
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Hull weren’t all that. Couldn’t really see how they’ve won 6 on the bounce.
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Hutton, Taylor, Bjarnasson, Bolasie. All need urgently replacing.
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Another weekend spoiled.
I see it as an improvement !!
It feels like a defeat due to the performance. That first half was shockingly poor. We huffed and puffed second half but overall it was an extremely disappointing display.
Very much agreed, mate.
We got the equaliser in the 64th minute.
There was no urgency to get a winner in the final 26 minutes. Really really worried about our players and their attitude towards the club.
No positives at all today.
I don't see how you can say that. There were positives in the first ten minutes and most of the second half. The goals we conceded were very poor but if we'd played the first half with the intensity we finished the match with we'd have won it easily. Green was a positive. I thought El Ghazi looked ok when he came on. Abraham was busting a gut and he's not even our player. It was a poor result but it was better than Wigan or Swansea.
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It’s crazy to think we were so very close to 3-1 vs Albion and the world would be so, so different. A late equalizer, a key injury followed by another one to AT and we have literally lost all belief in confidence in how we were playing. Dominating teams. People were talking like El Ghazi was our own Ronaldo having ripped them a new one along with some other super goals. Now we can barely string two passes together and our defence gets worse by the week. It’s one of those things where you swear it only happens to us.
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Ho hum. Another frustrating afternoon. Thought we started off quite brightly but I checked the clock when we seemed to have stopped playing - 7 minutes. Shite for the rest of the first half, conceding two goals through a combination of bungling and ineptness, subdued the boos with a goal just before half time, and played better in the second half.
Again only McGinn and Tammy emerged with any credit. Kalinic should have done better for their first, although with comedy defenders in front of him it must be difficult to concentrate; Hutton, Taylor and Chester very poor; Elphick - I genuinely didn't even notice him; Bjarnason sloppy; Hourihane incredibly sloppy and weak; Bolasie - send him back; Albert - ineffective; El Ghazi and Green - marginal upgrades; Kodjia - a brilliant cameo which illustrated perfectly why he doesn't get picked.
Jack can't come back soon enough, but we desperately need to sort that defence out.
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It’s crazy to think we were so very close to 3-1 vs Albion and the world would be so, so different. A late equalizer, a key injury followed by another one to AT and we have literally lost all belief in confidence in how we were playing. Dominating teams. People were talking like El Ghazi was our own Ronaldo having ripped them a new one along with some other super goals. Now we can barely string two passes together and our defence gets worse by the week. It’s one of those things where you swear it only happens to us.
I think you're right TV. I'm convinced MON has a voodoo doll of VP.
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That or I’m beginning to think the noses gypsies curse has found its way to B6
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Automatic gone & play offs gone, here for another season
Im wondering have we settled for that at management and board level already?
The two signings already made this month certainly dont seem the types to come straight into a team.
Elphick, Steer and Green all back from loans and a bunch of players in the last few months of their contracts still involved in the first team.
Has an end of days feel to it.
Grealish's injury was obviously a huge below but Ive been distinctly unimpressed by Smith since then.
We have completely fallen apart.
Seems it was agreed at London summit that will be massive squad overhaul in summer (ties in with DS comments about getting average age of squad down) and then DS will be under massive scrutiny from day 1 of next season.
Let's hope he gets it all right as I imagine he's already feeling pressure he simply hasn't had at his previous two clubs.
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Out of a possible 84 points so far we haven't even managed to pick up half. This time last season we were 4th with 50 points.
The play-offs are over and I highly doubt we'll end the season with more than 70 points.
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Out of a possible 84 points so far we haven't even managed to pick up half. This time last season we were 4th with 50 points.
The play-offs are over and I highly doubt we'll end the season with more than 70 points.
Agree. I'm looking to see performances improving .Ain't happening though.
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Hutton, Taylor, Bjarnson and hurry up, waste of space.
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This window has been shite too. Another goalkeeper who isn't particularly good to add to the handful we already have and a defender who isn't fit and can't make any impact on the side yet.
In other words, no additions.
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Can't underestimate the loss of Grealish, his work rate was such that he covered for some very ordinary players and always drew two defenders to him. I read a lot of frustration coming out but we need to remind ourselves that Bruce left the club with one central defender we got lucky that Axel proved himself to be a quality player in that position.
Most of this squad needs replacing too old too slow and some who are just finishing their careers, the main concern for me is that we do not have players who are capable of stepping up, looking at the ages of some of the so called youngsters if they can't get a game now they never will.
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Hull weren’t all that. Couldn’t really see how they’ve won 6 on the bounce.
They were exactly what I expected. But we're calamitous at the back.
There's so many players have poor seasons or that are just poor defensively that no combination of them will resolve the problems.
This is what comes from Johnstone, Terry, Grealish, Snoddy and Grabban being your spine and you only owning one of them.
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More two twos than a ballet dancer. Point rescued but rubbish again. Defence and midfield terrible, only rescued by decent attack again. Play offs still in reach but no chance with these losers and big questions about Mr Smith.
Big questions - boy there’s some hyperbole on this thread, there really is. Here’s been here 2 mins, trying to turn round 7/8 seasons of decline - and your questioning him already.
Yeah but the questions need asking. As bad as anything in the last 5 seasons.
I’ll give you the answer, you can’t make a silk purse out of a pigs ear. This squad is average at best
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No pressure Jack 😱
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I thought today demonstrated the absence of Axel as much as anything. How Hull were able to contain us first half with Chester so poor at playing it out.
Second half where we hemmed them in for the majority of it showed where Grealish taking runners and having that majestic quality and guile was missed.
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What's that, 1 win in 9, and almost at the end of our 'easy run'?
The answer, apparently being, yet another mass clear out and a season of two 'rebuilding ' in the 2nd division.
When will this shit ever end?
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Take a poor field with poor soil that has been neglected for years and no matter what quick fix chemicals or nutrients you put into the soil no crops will really flourish. The field will take a few years of good management with the right nutrients and compost before any decent crops will grow. That is where Aston Villa is at today.
and yet Beilsa takes on even longer neglected ground (Leeds didn’t even make the play offs last season)
and within 5 minutes they sit top of the pile
I know ads thinks they will blow up but this time they might have managed to find a manager that knows what he’s doing (and spying)
My belief is you can turn football clubs round quite quickly if you get the set up right
and that starts with having the right manager
I was convinced Smith was that man a few weeks ago but my faith has been shaken just lately
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Before the game I feared for Smith, but that Chester goal is nagging me as a turning point, no idea why but sometimes you're close to utter disaster then something turns. I really think that we may look back at this as a bullet dodged.
No evidence, nothing more than a feeling.
Jesus, I hope I'm right.
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Before the game I feared for Smith, but that Chester goal is nagging me as a turning point, no idea why but sometimes you're close to utter disaster then something turns. I really think that we may look back at this as a bullet dodged.
No evidence, nothing more than a feeling.
Jesus, I hope I'm right.
Christ almighty. Are we really myopic and impatient?
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At half time I was up for lynching the lot of them. Feckless fuckers.
Second half we at least competed (the bare minimum you'd expect) and regained some pride but bloody hell we look so poor compared to the team we were just a month or so ago
Kalanic 5 nowhere near what i expected him to be so far
Hutton 4 utter fucking mince
Chester 4 please bring back the real James Chester
Elphick 5 not the answer, but LOVED that sliding tackle second half
McGinn 7 absolutely LOVE the bloke, basically he's our entire midfield right now
Hourihane 4 nah, fucking useless again
Bjarnason 3 that fucking header ... that fucking header. useless all over
Bolasie 3 can we not send him back ?
Abraham 6 put in a shift as usual but got buckley's to work with
Adomah 4 another that can move on ASAP
Kodjia 4 nah, chose wrong option too often as always
Fugazi 4 barely noticed he was on
Green 5 wasn't blown away by him but he showed some effort. i'd much rather see him doing that and getting minutes under his belt than keep playing Bolasie/Adomah
After the Swansea cup massacre we heard how the players had bounced back in training the week after and were up for Wigan
After the Wigan massacre we heard how the players had bounced back in training the week after and were up for Hull
Dean, they're either taking the piss out of you and your coaching staff in the week mate or they've all got no fucking backbone when playing in front of a crowd. Fuck off the shirkers NOW. The play offs are unlikely, so just blood some of the younger lads now and see what they can do between now and the summer makeover.
Because this current playing staff needs a HUGE clear out that's for certain.
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Just back in from the game again two points dropped. From what I witnessed Hull certainly weren’t nothing special and relied on counter attacks against our excuse for a defence. We again gave a team a two goal start when will they learn.
Kalinic - 3- looks like zero improvement poor for their first goal came for one cross and completely missed then was stuck to his line gives no confidence to our back four. Our best keeper this season has been steer and he has only played two games he deserves a run
Hutton -5 - always tries and battled away second half exposed terribly for their second goal but personally don’t see the powder puff bree as an answer
Chester -4- got better as game went on but again caught under the ball for the first goal. His passing is woeful
Elphick -5 - average looks shaky playing out but at least stuck at it second half
Taylor - 4 - where was he when Bowen scored the first goal. Tbf was prob one of his better displays
Hourihane -1- that is for his assist after that he literally offered nothing to the game he can’t tackle he can barely cover the ground he gets caught time and time again he has to be dropped. He passes sideways and backwards and won’t take a risk because he is not up to it.You can’t pick a player just because he may do a decent delivery 1 in 10 attempts. He is stealing a living at our great club
BB - 4 - first half very poor too deep and ineffective improved second half was criminal he was took off instead of hourihane
McGinn -7- tried so hard if only they all did
Adomah -3- terrible ineffective lazy half arsed display. He needs a rocket up his arse shaking and being told to get a grip
Bolasie - 3 - another ineffective infuriating display should be tearing up this league lack of desire means he isn’t
Tammy -8- did everything he could to carry the team through defending running back
Elghazi -6 - bright but looks better as a su
Green -5 - some good but his tracking back needs improving I fear he doesn’t have much awareness
Kodj -4- greedy and not a team player
If I was smith I’d give Tammy and McGinn the day off the rest I’d have them in for hours and work on defensive shape over and over again.
Aston Villa is a soft and an average players dreamland until it changes we are going nowhere
Whelan jedinak hourihane Lansbury Hogan Richards Taylor bjarnsson bree Elmo are simply not good enough
Bolasie Adomah are not hungry enough
Kodija is simply too greedy
It don’t leave many of them left
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Automatic gone & play offs gone, here for another season
Im wondering have we settled for that at management and board level already?
The two signings already made this month certainly dont seem the types to come straight into a team.
Elphick, Steer and Green all back from loans and a bunch of players in the last few months of their contracts still involved in the first team.
Has an end of days feel to it.
Grealish's injury was obviously a huge below but Ive been distinctly unimpressed by Smith since then.
We have completely fallen apart.
Seems it was agreed at London summit that will be massive squad overhaul in summer (ties in with DS comments about getting average age of squad down) and then DS will be under massive scrutiny from day 1 of next season.
Let's hope he gets it all right as I imagine he's already feeling pressure he simply hasn't had at his previous two clubs.
Sounds horribly like the Lambert brief.
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Take a poor field with poor soil that has been neglected for years and no matter what quick fix chemicals or nutrients you put into the soil no crops will really flourish. The field will take a few years of good management with the right nutrients and compost before any decent crops will grow. That is where Aston Villa is at today.
and yet Beilsa takes on even longer neglected ground (Leeds didn’t even make the play offs last season)
and within 5 minutes they sit top of the pile
I know ads thinks they will blow up but this time they might have managed to find a manager that knows what he’s doing (and spying)
My belief is you can turn football clubs round quite quickly if you get the set up right
and that starts with having the right manager
I was convinced Smith was that man a few weeks ago but my faith has been shaken just lately
I think any turnaround in any business depends on the legacy that has been left behind.
Because he has not had the opportunity to clear out and rebuild I can’t draw a conclusion yet
Somebody was needed to do this, particularly when you look at the squad.
The question for me is he the right person to do it and we won’t know until next season.
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Dean can't do much when some of those players are blatantly not even trying.
I feel like hugging John McGinn, giving everything whilst playing alongside that chocolate fireguard Hourihane, a totally disinterested BB and a fucking woeful Bolasie.
I would send him back to Everton, now. That passage of play where Tammy ran from one side to the other, pressing, while he stood there with his thumb up his arse. Then failed to move again when we won the ball back. I've seen enough of him.
Hull have themselves to blame, they were time wasting over every dead ball from the first minute. They probably could have put us to the sword if they'd gone for it.
Another pathetic referee who let the keeper take an age over every goal kick. Week in, week out, it's a joke.
That first 40 minutes was utterly depressing, considering this was supposed to be our big response to exactly the same performance at Wigan, and exactly the same performance against Swansea. We've totally lost our way, time to ship out some loans and give our own a proper run. For me, the play offs are gone and we need to start prepraring now.
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I wouldn't blame our keeper for Hull's second goal. He is anticipating the volley but wasn't to know it would be driven into the ground and get a wicked bounce off the turf.
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I wouldn't blame our keeper for Hull's second goal. He is anticipating the volley but wasn't to know it would be driven into the ground and get a wicked bounce off the turf.
Ok fair point, but he was at fault for the first, and the first & third v Swansea in the cup. I wasn’t at Wigan so can’t comment, but he don’t look good
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After witnessing last week's debacle, I thought it couldn't get worse, but that first half today was a mere continuation.
Smith said he had 'a word' at half time, and after the break it was better, though not brilliant. However, did he not have a word before the game or during the week?
Playing two wide just doesn't work without Grealish and the wingers themselves are proving inadequate so I'm underwhelmed with the tactics.
Also, if Hourihane plays, he must be further forward.
The defence including the keepers, all throw in dreadful mistakes with regularity. They are collectively worse now than under Bruce which seems ridiculous given that defending is what Smith and Terry should know most about.
Also, I don't buy the weak excuse that Smith rolls out in every game we fail to win: the opposition taking too long to take a throw in or a free kick.
I hope he's got some ideas about players he wants as January will soon be over.
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My thoughts.
Early days but the keeper looks as bad as the previous ones.
We lack mobility in midfield and at full back, Taylor did some good things but he’s as weak as piss in a challeng
Both the starting wingers were appalling.
Barney got himself in some good positions but he lacks any kind of quality, Connar was terrible
We look more likely to be involved in th relegation battle than th play offs, and I didn’t expect to be saying that after deans first games
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Before the game I feared for Smith, but that Chester goal is nagging me as a turning point, no idea why but sometimes you're close to utter disaster then something turns. I really think that we may look back at this as a bullet dodged.
No evidence, nothing more than a feeling.
Jesus, I hope I'm right.
Christ almighty. Are we really myopic and impatient?
I said more or less the same just after we scored. We looked on our arse until that went in and goals like that can give you the lift you need and it worked today. If we'd have won that from two down, it could have changed our season. I presume that's what Nev meant.
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Hull weren’t all that. Couldn’t really see how they’ve won 6 on the bounce.
They were exactly what I expected. But we're calamitous at the back.
There's so many players have poor seasons or that are just poor defensively that no combination of them will resolve the problems.
This is what comes from Johnstone, Terry, Grealish, Snoddy and Grabban being your spine and you only owning one of them.
Nothing good ever happens once the spine is detached. We have to rebuild our backbone; we have the technology and the resources.
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First 45 mins were a fucking disgrace.
If that was the ‘reaction’ to the Wigan humiliation then I think we have no chance.
Second half was better but we never really got up a head a steam that looked like we could win it, I don’t recall their keeper making a save and we could have lost it at the death.
Too many individual poor performances or bad choices at critical moments.
Bolasie is looking like his best days are well behind him.
Bjarnasen, as I have said before, offers great mobility but absolutely no quality.
And Hourihane was a powder puff, waste of fucking space, again.
And, thank heavens for McGinn, god knows where we’d be without him.
I couldn't quite believe what I was watching in the first half. It was like watching an end of season game for a mid table side with nothing to play for and most of the players had been told they weren't being kept on.
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Something doesn't smell right. In Smith's first few games the players looked like they had bought into his coaching and tactics, even though the defence was still iffy. Even Hutton and Taylor looked half decent, Bolasie and El Ghazi were making contributions, and Hourihane was at least getting goals.
Recently there does appear to be a lack of effort and interest, players not putting a proper shift in - with the honourable exceptions of McGinn and Tammy. Hourihane is making Ashely Westwood look like Roy Keane. Has Smith done something something to piss them off? Have they cottoned on to the plan to replace older players with younger players and given up? There does seem to have been a paradigm shift that goes beyond simply losing Grealish and Tuanzebe to injury, though obviously that hasn't helped.
I agree with John E, good coaches should be able to put things right quickly, like Bielsa has, regardless of personnel. He's managed to get youngsters established in the first team and playing well. Smith's galvanising effect has been short lived and he is now looking a bit lost. I think it's way too soon to be speculating on his future but he needs to sort it out quickly, at least in terms of the effort being applied.
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Dams has been dealt a poor hand by Bruce can only do so much with the likes of Chester, Taylor etc
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Just seen the goals on Quest. That defending is straight from Billy Smarts circus.
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First game I've seen live in a month, having been out of the country.
Flippin' heck, has our entire passing game been thrown out of the window just because Axel and Jack are out? We hoofed it at Wigan last week, and our plan A this week seemed to be chip it up the line to Barney – and why is he playing as our most-advanced midfielder in a squad littered with wingers?
The greatest positive I can take from this week is Purslow saying that our squad is riddled with players who don't have a long-term future at the club. Because, eff me, other than Jack, McGinn and Tammy, I'm not sure who else would make the cut.
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Chester was hamstrung by the complete lack of movement in front of him, he scored and made an incredible off the line clearance. If we can bring in a dominant partner he’ll be excellent again.
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Dams has been dealt a poor hand by Bruce can only do so much with the likes of Chester, Taylor etc
Ok, that’s fine, but did you see today? Or Preston away, or stoke or QPR home? Dean has to take some blame for those games
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We are own worst enemies, that hoof down the center kills us.
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Today has reinforced my belief that we are going to be no where near promotion this year. The summer uncertainty and Bruce’s recruitment has left us with an unbalanced squad that aren’t technically up to playing the way Smith wants. I do feel he recognises this but perhaps he should just adjust his tactics and formation whilst we are in transition? I still want us to compete in every game but I can’t see this squad getting the results needed. If by a miracle we did go up it would be carnage next season. I hope we start the rebuild now. Let’s get more athletic players in who can pass and move and implement the tactics Smith wants. I’d ditch a few of our squad now if anyone is sniffing around, Kodjia and Hogan for example. It’s tough on us to except this reality but it’s going to be a long job. I also think the club hierarchy are set on this approach and if Smith can’t deliver he will be changed but the philosophy won’t.
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Today has reinforced my belief that we are going to be no where near promotion this year. The summer uncertainty and Bruce’s recruitment has left us with an unbalanced squad that aren’t technically up to playing the way Smith wants. I do feel he recognises this but perhaps he should just adjust his tactics and formation whilst we are in transition? I still want us to compete in every game but I can’t see this squad getting the results needed. If by a miracle we did go up it would be carnage next season. I hope we start the rebuild now. Let’s get more athletic players in who can pass and move and implement the tactics Smith wants. I’d ditch a few of our squad now if anyone is sniffing around, Kodjia and Hogan for example. It’s tough on us to except this reality but it’s going to be a long job. I also think the club hierarchy are set on this approach and if Smith can’t deliver he will be changed but the philosophy won’t.
Agree
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Dams has been dealt a poor hand by Bruce can only do so much with the likes of Chester, Taylor etc
Ok, that’s fine, but did you see today? Or Preston away, or stoke or QPR home? Dean has to take some blame for those games
Yes we can't blame Bruce for an apparent lack of effort and not trying to play the passing game any more. Smith has to own that and sort it out.
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Today we played at home against an in form team. No it wasn't Liverpool,Man city or Chelsea it was Hull city. Grateful that we got a point. We won't be in the prem next season and it's a good job we won't be as we would be completely out of our depth. I think it will take more than 2 transfer windows to put us in a strong position.
Correct I’ve been saying 3 windows to put it right since Smith took over
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Something doesn't smell right. In Smith's first few games the players looked like they had bought into his coaching and tactics, even though the defence was still iffy. Even Hutton and Taylor looked half decent, Bolasie and El Ghazi were making contributions, and Hourihane was at least getting goals.
Recently there does appear to be a lack of effort and interest, players not putting a proper shift in - with the honourable exceptions of McGinn and Tammy. Hourihane is making Ashely Westwood look like Roy Keane. Has Smith done something something to piss them off? Have they cottoned on to the plan to replace older players with younger players and given up? There does seem to have been a paradigm shift that goes beyond simply losing Grealish and Tuanzebe to injury, though obviously that hasn't helped.
I agree with John E, good coaches should be able to put things right quickly, like Bielsa has, regardless of personnel. He's managed to get youngsters established in the first team and playing well. Smith's galvanising effect has been short lived and he is now looking a bit lost. I think it's way too soon to be speculating on his future but he needs to sort it out quickly, at least in terms of the effort being applied.
The body language at times is appalling. Looking around after the second goal, there was no leadership from anywhere. Just hands on hips, happy to wait for a few minutes while they celebrated.
Apart from John McGinn trying to run the entire midfield on his own, and Tammy, an on loan Chelsea player, there seems no emotion from anywhere.
Just some players going through the motions, giving the bare minimum and picking up a massive wage into the bargain.
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Ok, don’t disagree with a lot off that, but how can we have played so well up to WBA and then fell into a hole? Yes it’s nots Deans players, but he is the manager who got us playing well, and he is the manager who has seen us play badly. It can’t all be down to Jack being injured. It’s odd, really odd
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We would improve massively with a below average full back and a below average midfielder to replace Taylor and Hourihane. Surely we have some in the club.
Bjarneson is frustrating but I thought he tried hard and tried to get forward a lot. Even with his failings he’s a better option than Whelan. That header he had at goal that went backwards was something else mind.
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As I have said other teams caught on how we play and currently our players are not good enough to deal with that. Smith than tried to change the style to keep clean sheets and that has not worked again due to lack of quality in our squad.
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And his ahem..shot...at Preston! Regardless of those chances, he’s not very good, like most of our midfielders actually
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Both Wingers were poor however what I noticed is they rarely got one on one with the full back.Atkins had them well drilled to double up on the wingers helped by the fact we played a 4-3-1 formation ( Houriane and BB were on the pitch sure but god knows they did next to sod all)
Neither fullback has the legs to play an attacking overlapping game without leaving us exposed at the back
Chester good goal , great clearance but he seems on a mission to get our players injured with constant underhit or misplaced pass's.I'm sure the 2nd goal came about orginally from a poor pass from him
Back to CM , putting Grealish in a wheel chair and having Houriane push him around the pitch would be more effective that the dross he served up today.He can't run , he can't tackle his passing is average and my god man play to the whistle , you might well have been fouled by sitting on your ass waving your arms in the air whilst the opposition run up the pitch towards our goal is not good enough.
The Goalie ,to me looks like he should save the first one and for someone 6''7 he seems no more inspiring that Nyland with balls into the box.
McGinn/Tammy by a country mile the best 2 players for both teams on the pitch.
Smith needs to sort things out by for me today we needed to change the centre mf and he literally had nothing on the bench to work with .I hope along with a LB we bring in a CM this window
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Only 2 sides have scored more than us (Norwich and the bitters), only 2 have conceded more than us (Rotherham and Ipswich).
We have conceded more at home than any other team.
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Ok, don’t disagree with a lot off that, but how can we have played so well up to WBA and then fell into a hole? Yes it’s nots Deans players, but he is the manager who got us playing well, and he is the manager who has seen us play badly. It can’t all be down to Jack being injured. It’s odd, really odd
The thing is when Jack is there, he draws two, three men to him, meaning our wingers cant be double marked, he opens up the pitch for us. Right now whoever is out wide are easy to mark because of our lack of threat through the middle.
Oh for a pair of energetic over lapping full backs (who can defend).
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It’s been like Groundhog Day for nearly ten years
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It’s been like Groundhog Day for nearly ten years
Which is exactly why its not going to be fixed in 3 months.
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Only 2 sides have scored more than us (Norwich and the bitters), only 2 have conceded more than us (Rotherham and Ipswich).
We have conceded more at home than any other team.
We don’t need reminding, we know, we’ve seen it.
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It’s been like Groundhog Day for nearly ten years
Which is exactly why its not going to be fixed in 3 months.
Not having a go at you, but this has been said - almost word for word - about each of our previous, God knows how many managers.
I'm just waiting for the "Rome wasn't built in a day", and I can shout BINGO!
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Our last manager was brought in as a quick results, promotion specialist. Nothing about that appointment was about being patient.
This time we have changed the whole set up of the club.
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The evolution from Republic to Principate didn't happen over night, while equally the step from Principate to Dominate was not a singular nocturnal occurrence. House with a flourish.
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It’s been like Groundhog Day for nearly ten years
Which is exactly why its not going to be fixed in 3 months.
Not having a go at you, but this has been said - almost word for word - about each of our previous, God knows how many managers.
I'm just waiting for the "Rome wasn't built in a day", and I can shout BINGO!
This is from over 8 years ago.
Maybe we should just concentrate on supporting the club instead of picking holes in it all the time.
Good quality support on match days will always work its way onto the pitch.
Randy's not selling.
Alex McLeish is staying.
The fact is this is a transitional season for us so all the moaning in the world will not change that.
If all that effort was put into creating a positive atmosphere at Villa Park it might just be the spark that's needed.
There you go: permanent transition i.e. a state of flux, or something that rhymes with flux.
Dear oh dear
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Our last manager was brought in as a quick results, promotion specialist. Nothing about that appointment was about being patient.
This time we have changed the whole set up of the club.
Was discussing this at half-time with some people sat round me at the game today. It seems that we are in a pretty stable position financially for the foreseeable future, so failure to achieve promotion this season is not a potentially ruinous prospect.
It will be disappointing to not go up again but the reset button needs to be hit at the end of the season (should have been done last summer) and Smith needs to be given time to put things in place.
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Dear oh dear doesn't rhyme with flux :-X
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Trucks?
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Ducks!
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Manager after manager, year after year......
You'd think, just by accident if nothing else, we'd get it right occasionally.
Out of interest, did the downturn in form coincide with the owners telling all and sundry that they weren't fussed if we went up or not?
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No.
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Gut feeling is that even winning every game wouldn't see us trouble an auto promotion spot, however, the play-offs are easily attainable.
Grealish is back in next 2-3 weeks. We'll have a new player or two. We'll be fine.
I hope.
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Yes officer I know we have hit something but just send a couple of chaps down below with buckets.
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Just got round to watching the goals on TV. Awful from Chester for the first one and it then seemed to go under the keeper's body. Hutton completely lost his man for the second one and was just jogged back after him.
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I think it goes to show that at this level, a couple of good players in a team can make a massive amount of difference. You can get by with weaknesses at this level as we are seeing with some very average teams in the top half of the division. People should not underestimate the effect of the loss of Grealish and Axel. To make matters worse, we do not have similar players to replace them. We have to have an out ball from the goalkeeper so that we can build possession. Of the four in defence and the defensive midfield player, there is not one of them you have confidence in to do that.
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This squad is too old, pure and simple - if we had the Adomah 2017, the solid Taylor at Swansea, the Palace version of Bolasie, Chester of a year ago, Whelan at Stoke etc etc, we’d go up comfortably.
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So after witnessing Wigan last week after the first 8 minutes yesterday we seemed to get a response, what happened for the next 30 minutes was quite plainly awful. Chester playing out of position, a midfield and full backs that didn’t have a clue and two wingers who might as well have been at home. It was grim. The goal against the run of play gave us a lifeline and fair play we got back in it as the second half was much better.
To fix this before we get Jack back to fitness he has to dispense with the two wide attacking players it leaves us too exposed. He needs to make a choice of Chester/Elphick on the right side defender and play Hause at Left side. He needs to give Hutton a kick up the arse to start performing or play Bree. He needs to sign a half way competent athletic left back, an athletic defensive midfielder with a pass who can complement McGinn. He needs to send Bolasie back to Everton, El Ghazi gets a pass for now. Most of all he needs a system that works for these players and not his current 4-3-3. A 4-2-3-1 might be a better option to give us more stability but it will mean a slower pace of play.
The second half stopped the rot yesterday let’s hope we can build on it.
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I think it goes to show that at this level, a couple of good players in a team can make a massive amount of difference. You can get by with weaknesses at this level as we are seeing with some very average teams in the top half of the division. People should not underestimate the effect of the loss of Grealish and Axel. To make matters worse, we do not have similar players to replace them. We have to have an out ball from the goalkeeper so that we can build possession. Of the four in defence and the defensive midfield player, there is not one of them you have confidence in to do that.
The first half yesterday was simply unacceptable in terms of application and desire, but when that was increased yesterday I agree that the extra bit of quality was just missing. Also agree that that the options in defence and defensive midfield aren't comfortable enough on the ball to play out from the back. Some of Chester's passing yesterday was awful.
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It's really starting to get to me now
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This just has to be the worst back 4 we've had in the 40 odd years I've been following the club. The midfield is a mish-mash of bang average players with only Grealish and Mcginn worth keeping. An earlier poster described Hourihane as a hologram and Bjarnesson as a pub player. An excellent description of both. It's a mess that has been a long time in the making and it's going to take time. Whatever peoples opinions of the head coach are forums like this are the place to speak. The booing from the Holte yesterday was out of order and does nothing to help the players. Just stop it.
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We’re lacking a leader/leaders on the pitch. When the Hull goals went in there was nobody going round trying to gee the others up.
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This squad is too old, pure and simple - if we had the Adomah 2017, the solid Taylor at Swansea, the Palace version of Bolasie, Chester of a year ago, Whelan at Stoke etc etc, we’d go up comfortably.
I get the sentiment, but I think the age thing is sometimes an easy cop out.
Players don't necessarily lose form as soon as they hit 30+. There are other factors to consider such as injuries.
Check out Sheffield United and Albion. You can get a good balance with older players and they dont need to be superstars either. Sharp , McGoldrick. Clarke , Duffy etc..Wilder is getting a tune out of what many would consider journeymen well into their 30s.
That's where management comes in.
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Did anyone else think the ref was a bit crap yesterday, especially second half?
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Few mentions of the shenanigans that led to the 22 man handbag episode, not quite sure what happened but it appeared that Houlihane said he’d give them the ball back from the drop and then didn’t. Anyone closer in the Trinity Lower clear that up?
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Green on ahead of Kodja? The mind boggles.
Tammy and Supermac were great, the rest were all shite.
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Thought Green did very well and gave us a balance and threat that we were lacking beforehand, Kodja was Kodja, makes poor choices for where he’s going to dribble and do tricks.
I also thought that was the best I’d seen Elphick play for us, a low bar admittedly but still......
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He got the Hull player and doubling midfielder back peddling which was good to see.
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Yes Clampy i thought the ref was crap,nothing new there though.I thought the Premier refs were bad but these in the Championship are unbelievably bad .Anyone else notice that every goal kick the Hull keeper took it was outside the six yard box and the corners they took over the Witton lane side at the holte end were outside the quadrant
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Did anyone else think the ref was a bit crap yesterday, especially second half?
He just became pedantic and began blowing for everything. Always very frustrating.
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Pooligan I agree. A whole culture of there or thereabouts has grown up in FA referees. Throws in rarely taken from where the ball actually went out of play, free kicks in wide positions moved yards infield, ball rolled forward by free kick takers when the referee has his back turned, free kicks taken instantly regardless of the correct position, throws taken like basketball passes. All in the name of letting play flow despite VAR being allowed to consume huge chunks of play.
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First five minutes good. Next 40 crap. Final 45 encouraging.
It just re-emphasised the imbalance in the squad. I know that it doesn’t come naturally to some but we have no option but to be patient while the club goes through the rebuilding process.
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Few mentions of the shenanigans that led to the 22 man handbag episode, not quite sure what happened but it appeared that Houlihane said he’d give them the ball back from the drop and then didn’t. Anyone closer in the Trinity Lower clear that up?
Yeah it looked like Hull and also the referee were expecting Hourihane to give the drop ball to them. It's not clear why or whether Hourihane reneged on his word. If he did it's a bit shitty to be honest.
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We have been "patient", for years. We've also been "rebuilding", for years.
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Few mentions of the shenanigans that led to the 22 man handbag episode, not quite sure what happened but it appeared that Houlihane said he’d give them the ball back from the drop and then didn’t. Anyone closer in the Trinity Lower clear that up?
Pretty much how I saw it. It was a bit out if order to be fair
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We have been "patient", for years. We've also been "rebuilding", for years.
As well as very poor.
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Few mentions of the shenanigans that led to the 22 man handbag episode, not quite sure what happened but it appeared that Houlihane said he’d give them the ball back from the drop and then didn’t. Anyone closer in the Trinity Lower clear that up?
Yeah it looked like Hull and also the referee were expecting Hourihane to give the drop ball to them. It's not clear why or whether Hourihane reneged on his word. If he did it's a bit shitty to be honest.
Fucks me off, giving the ball back. If you want to give it back, then don't contest it. Otherwise, it's a drop ball, just get on with it, as the people will say these days.
Anyway, when it all kicked off, my focus was down the touchline, getting peeved as once again Taylor ran off the pitch to make himself unavailable as a receiver for a quick throw from the winger, insisting on getting all the way there to take it himself. Every time, he does it. I think he's totally shot.
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Few mentions of the shenanigans that led to the 22 man handbag episode, not quite sure what happened but it appeared that Houlihane said he’d give them the ball back from the drop and then didn’t. Anyone closer in the Trinity Lower clear that up?
Yeah it looked like Hull and also the referee were expecting Hourihane to give the drop ball to them. It's not clear why or whether Hourihane reneged on his word. If he did it's a bit shitty to be honest.
Fucks me off, giving the ball back. If you want to give it back, then don't contest it. Otherwise, it's a drop ball, just get on with it, as the people will say these days.
Anyway, when it all kicked off, my focus was down the touchline, getting peeved as once again Taylor ran off the pitch to make himself unavailable as a receiver for a quick throw from the winger, insisting on getting all the way there to take it himself. Every time, he does it. I think he's totally shot.
Swap the o for an i in your final word.
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I was going to put in a note about it not being an autocorrect! I'm sticking with "shot" because he used to be pretty good, I thought he was a very good signing at the time, but there's something about his manner that suggests his head really is not in the game any more.
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Perhaps that tackle has affected him psychologically?
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If it really is that bad, he's doing neither us nor himself many favours by stoically soldiering on.
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Few mentions of the shenanigans that led to the 22 man handbag episode, not quite sure what happened but it appeared that Houlihane said he’d give them the ball back from the drop and then didn’t. Anyone closer in the Trinity Lower clear that up?
Yeah it looked like Hull and also the referee were expecting Hourihane to give the drop ball to them. It's not clear why or whether Hourihane reneged on his word. If he did it's a bit shitty to be honest.
Fucks me off, giving the ball back. If you want to give it back, then don't contest it. Otherwise, it's a drop ball, just get on with it, as the people will say these days.
Anyway, when it all kicked off, my focus was down the touchline, getting peeved as once again Taylor ran off the pitch to make himself unavailable as a receiver for a quick throw from the winger, insisting on getting all the way there to take it himself. Every time, he does it. I think he's totally shot.
If a team puts the ball out when an opponent is injured fair enough - give the ball back. BUT this was given for a clash of heads between 2 players - right for ref to check they were OK - then as there was no fault either side it should be a contested drop ball. Modern day players are too cissy to have a go. I think the last decent contested drop ball was Dublin and Savage - no prisoners taken there. May have been the spark for Dion's well placed header in a later game.
Having watched the highlights - it looks like the Hull player backs away hoping Conor will give them the ball. Conor has every right not to give it back. It was not a case of a Villa player being injured when Hull had the ball.
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We have been "patient", for years. We've also been "rebuilding", for years.
We haven’t been rebuilding, how can it be when we have so many loans and ageing players? Rebuilding implies some sort of plan when the reality is that it’s all been about short term fixes and it patently hasn’t worked.
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We have been "patient", for years. We've also been "rebuilding", for years.
Mate, we have spent every minute of every day since we got relegated looking for the quick fix to get promoted asap, nothing since we came down can be classed as rebuilding.
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Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?
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Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?
Only if you use it to learn from your mistakes.
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Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?
Only if you use it to learn from your mistakes.
Kerboom!!
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Perhaps that tackle has affected him psychologically?
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Few mentions of the shenanigans that led to the 22 man handbag episode, not quite sure what happened but it appeared that Houlihane said he’d give them the ball back from the drop and then didn’t. Anyone closer in the Trinity Lower clear that up?
Yeah it looked like Hull and also the referee were expecting Hourihane to give the drop ball to them. It's not clear why or whether Hourihane reneged on his word. If he did it's a bit shitty to be honest.
Fucks me off, giving the ball back. If you want to give it back, then don't contest it. Otherwise, it's a drop ball, just get on with it, as the people will say these days.
Anyway, when it all kicked off, my focus was down the touchline, getting peeved as once again Taylor ran off the pitch to make himself unavailable as a receiver for a quick throw from the winger, insisting on getting all the way there to take it himself. Every time, he does it. I think he's totally shot.
If a team puts the ball out when an opponent is injured fair enough - give the ball back. BUT this was given for a clash of heads between 2 players - right for ref to check they were OK - then as there was no fault either side it should be a contested drop ball. Modern day players are too cissy to have a go. I think the last decent contested drop ball was Dublin and Savage - no prisoners taken there. May have been the spark for Dion's well placed header in a later game.
Having watched the highlights - it looks like the Hull player backs away hoping Conor will give them the ball. Conor has every right not to give it back. It was not a case of a Villa player being injured when Hull had the ball.
There was one in the Old Firm game recently, it was brilliant, looked like a kickboxing contest!
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Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?
Only if you use it to learn from your mistakes.
You think we have? I'm not so sure.
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Perhaps that tackle has affected him psychologically?
Nah, he was shite before that too, Swansea fans were happy to see him go.
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I think its more to do with smith being a no-name. When Bruce took over he started well and then had a shit period during january and i don't remember everyone picking holes in him because it was Steve Bruce. It does worry me that Smith maybe hasn't got the authority to be given time to sort it out.
Then you have a very short memory, people were picking holes in Bruce right from the start
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I think its more to do with smith being a no-name. When Bruce took over he started well and then had a shit period during january and i don't remember everyone picking holes in him because it was Steve Bruce. It does worry me that Smith maybe hasn't got the authority to be given time to sort it out.
Then you have a very short memory, people were picking holes in Bruce right from the start
I think it happens with all new appointments. Not everybody is going to be happy.
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Few mentions of the shenanigans that led to the 22 man handbag episode, not quite sure what happened but it appeared that Houlihane said he’d give them the ball back from the drop and then didn’t. Anyone closer in the Trinity Lower clear that up?
Yeah it looked like Hull and also the referee were expecting Hourihane to give the drop ball to them. It's not clear why or whether Hourihane reneged on his word. If he did it's a bit shitty to be honest.
Fucks me off, giving the ball back. If you want to give it back, then don't contest it. Otherwise, it's a drop ball, just get on with it, as the people will say these days.
Anyway, when it all kicked off, my focus was down the touchline, getting peeved as once again Taylor ran off the pitch to make himself unavailable as a receiver for a quick throw from the winger, insisting on getting all the way there to take it himself. Every time, he does it. I think he's totally shot.
If a team puts the ball out when an opponent is injured fair enough - give the ball back. BUT this was given for a clash of heads between 2 players - right for ref to check they were OK - then as there was no fault either side it should be a contested drop ball. Modern day players are too cissy to have a go. I think the last decent contested drop ball was Dublin and Savage - no prisoners taken there. May have been the spark for Dion's well placed header in a later game.
Having watched the highlights - it looks like the Hull player backs away hoping Conor will give them the ball. Conor has every right not to give it back. It was not a case of a Villa player being injured when Hull had the ball.
There was one in the Old Firm game recently, it was brilliant, looked like a kickboxing contest!
That's what we want - with Super JM - in for us.
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Few mentions of the shenanigans that led to the 22 man handbag episode, not quite sure what happened but it appeared that Houlihane said he’d give them the ball back from the drop and then didn’t. Anyone closer in the Trinity Lower clear that up?
And that's exactly what Hourihane tried to do but those of us who have been watching him this season fully well know that when our Conor attempts a 40 yard pass he usually finds the wrong player 10 yards away and that was Tammy.
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I think its more to do with smith being a no-name. When Bruce took over he started well and then had a shit period during january and i don't remember everyone picking holes in him because it was Steve Bruce. It does worry me that Smith maybe hasn't got the authority to be given time to sort it out.
Then you have a very short memory, people were picking holes in Bruce right from the start
I think it happens with all new appointments. Not everybody is going to be happy.
Especially when, despite an "easy run" of fixtures, they only manage 1 win in 9.
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Poor first half better second half sums it up for me.
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I think its more to do with smith being a no-name. When Bruce took over he started well and then had a shit period during january and i don't remember everyone picking holes in him because it was Steve Bruce. It does worry me that Smith maybe hasn't got the authority to be given time to sort it out.
Then you have a very short memory, people were picking holes in Bruce right from the start
I think it happens with all new appointments. Not everybody is going to be happy.
Especially when, despite an "easy run" of fixtures, they only manage 1 win in 9.
We haven't had "9 easy games" though. It was suggested that Preston, QPR, Wigan and Hull ought to be easier than what came before.
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But the games you mention, were easier games
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Yes I'd say so, but the way it's being framed it's as if we've played 9 no-hopers and won 1.
Its been poor form since Stoke, with a decent second half against Swansea and Hullthe only bright spots.
6 points from the bottom clubs in the next 2 and Jack and Axel returning for some trickier 6 pointers and it could well be a month to forget well and truly forgot.
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4 of those 9 games were in our 'easy run'. So, I'm suggesting, 1 win in 9 (and 3 points from 12) should lead to some serious questions being asked.
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4 of those 9 games were in our 'easy run'. So, I'm suggesting, 1 win in 9 (and 3 points from 12) should lead to some serious questions being asked.
To be fair some serious questions are being asked on various H&V threads and I would hope and expect some questions are being asked amongst the management and coaching team and in turn by them of the players.
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Apart from John McGinn trying to run the entire midfield on his own, and Tammy, an on loan Chelsea player, there seems no emotion from anywhere.
Looking at the highlights I would agree!
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Only just saw the Hull goals, fucking hell!
So msny errors in both goals but what has really fucked me off again is the 2nd goal, the ball is played past Hutton and he casually jogs back half arsed, exactly like Taylor against Wigan. Its absolutely unnaceptable, the lack of effort back there is a huge reason why we conceed so many.
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4 of those 9 games were in our 'easy run'. So, I'm suggesting, 1 win in 9 (and 3 points from 12) should lead to some serious questions being asked.
The team is struggling because we are missing our two best players along with a seriously unbalanced squad.
I'm not questioning anything yet as I'm fed up with changing managers every 5 minutes and I think we need to think long term for a change because we're turning into the new Leeds United.
Which means giving the manager this season and next.
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4 of those 9 games were in our 'easy run'. So, I'm suggesting, 1 win in 9 (and 3 points from 12) should lead to some serious questions being asked.
completely unacceptable, even with the players we had available for those games.
the same thing conveniently happened a few months after Bruce took charge
thankfully we havent brought in donkeys like Lansbury and Hogan this time around...
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Too many 1 win in 9 sequences, and he won't get the rest of this season, let alone the next. Unless the current owners really have no ambition at all.
Jack coming back may be his last roll of the dice. Let's hope it changes our fortunes when he does.
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4 of those 9 games were in our 'easy run'. So, I'm suggesting, 1 win in 9 (and 3 points from 12) should lead to some serious questions being asked.
The team is struggling because we are missing our two best players along with a seriously unbalanced squad.
I'm not questioning anything yet as I'm fed up with changing managers every 5 minutes and I think we need to think long term for a change because we're turning into the new Leeds United.
Which means giving the manager this season and next.
Oh my god just because people are questioning Smith doesn't mean they want him sacked.
Honestly this attitude that if you question Smith then you clearly want him sacked is getting ridiculous. You do understand that people can question Smiths decisions and still want him as our manager.
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Too many 1 win in 9 sequences, and he won't get the rest of this season, let alone the next. Unless the current owners really have no ambition at all.
Jack coming back may be his last roll of the dice. Let's hope it changes our fortunes when he does.
You really think we're at "last roll of the dice stakes"?
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Too many 1 win in 9 sequences, and he won't get the rest of this season, let alone the next. Unless the current owners really have no ambition at all.
Jack coming back may be his last roll of the dice. Let's hope it changes our fortunes when he does.
You really think we're at "last roll of the dice stakes"?
Patience is overrated, he’s had three months and we have seen before how successfully the three managers in a year approach works.
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Too many 1 win in 9 sequences, and he won't get the rest of this season, let alone the next. Unless the current owners really have no ambition at all.
Jack coming back may be his last roll of the dice. Let's hope it changes our fortunes when he does.
I can’t believe you think that way given the time Bruce was allowed and the shocking style (?) of football he dished out.
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Too many 1 win in 9 sequences, and he won't get the rest of this season, let alone the next. Unless the current owners really have no ambition at all.
Jack coming back may be his last roll of the dice. Let's hope it changes our fortunes when he does.
You really think we're at "last roll of the dice stakes"?
Patience is overrated, he’s had three months and we have seen before how successfully the three managers in a year approach works.
15th December is been poor with two decent 2nd half performances.
He's been here 5 minutes and we've had a bad 2, brilliant 2 and a to-do 60 seconds. We all know the deficiencies with the squad.
Bring on Saturday now and let's get 3 points and some forward momentum again.
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4 of those 9 games were in our 'easy run'. So, I'm suggesting, 1 win in 9 (and 3 points from 12) should lead to some serious questions being asked.
Eh?
I don’t think I’ve accused you or anyone else of wanting Smith sacked. You’re assuming things a bit there.
I just want him given time. Which he needs.
And he’ll make mistakes. He’s human.
Just like you and me.
The team is struggling because we are missing our two best players along with a seriously unbalanced squad.
I'm not questioning anything yet as I'm fed up with changing managers every 5 minutes and I think we need to think long term for a change because we're turning into the new Leeds United.
Which means giving the manager this season and next.
Oh my god just because people are questioning Smith doesn't mean they want him sacked.
Honestly this attitude that if you question Smith then you clearly want him sacked is getting ridiculous. You do understand that people can question Smiths decisions and still want him as our manager.
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Too many 1 win in 9 sequences, and he won't get the rest of this season, let alone the next. Unless the current owners really have no ambition at all.
Jack coming back may be his last roll of the dice. Let's hope it changes our fortunes when he does.
You really think we're at "last roll of the dice stakes"?
Yes, if things don't change.
Jack coming back has been the strand that most have been clinging to.
We've got Ipswich at the weekend, which is pretty much close to '3 points in the bag' as you can get. But what it we go on another 1 win in 9 after that?
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Too many 1 win in 9 sequences, and he won't get the rest of this season, let alone the next. Unless the current owners really have no ambition at all.
Jack coming back may be his last roll of the dice. Let's hope it changes our fortunes when he does.
You really think we're at "last roll of the dice stakes"?
Yes, if things don't change.
Jack coming back has been the strand that most have been clinging to.
We've got Ipswich at the weekend, which is pretty much close to '3 points in the bag' as you can get. But what it we go on another 1 win in 9 after that?
Oh god, what if he gets hit by a bus? What if there's an earthquake in B6? What if, what if, what if?
I've seen pessimism on here before but you're bringing it to a whole new level my friend.
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What if we go on a 1 win in 18 run? What if we never win again? What if global war breaks out? What if famine strikes? What if a flesh eating virus consumes the globe? What if the sky turns black as night? What if the seas boil? What if water runs red as blood? What if the dead rise? What if we re-sign Agbonlahor?
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What if we go on a 1 win in 18 run? What if we never win again? What if global war breaks out? What if famine strikes? What if a flesh eating virus consumes the globe? What if the sky turns black as night? What if the seas boil? What if water runs red as blood? What if the dead rise? What if we re-sign Agbonlahor?
Well, to state the obvious, none of those are nearly as likely as 1 win in 9.
Afterall, Smith has already managed it once.
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What if we go on a 1 win in 18 run? What if we never win again? What if global war breaks out? What if famine strikes? What if a flesh eating virus consumes the globe? What if the sky turns black as night? What if the seas boil? What if water runs red as blood? What if the dead rise? What if we re-sign Agbonlahor?
Well, to state the obvious, none of those are nearly as likely as 1 win in 9.
Afterall, Smith has already managed it once.
What point exactly are you trying to make Villa75, because to me it just seems like you are moaning for the sake of it.
We all know Smith is on a bad run and it goes without saying that if that bad run continues to the end of the season he'll be under pressure.
It just seems to me that you are ramping up the stakes for the sake of it.
A few weeks ago Smith got the team playing some of the best football I have seen from Villa for several years. We then lost a couple of key players and now we're on a poor run. Everybody on this site knows that if we play shit for another 9 games the pressure will mount. But what is there to gain from your constant whinging and doom mongering right now? Is it a pro-Bruce thing or do you just see every glass as half empty?
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What if we go on a 1 win in 18 run? What if we never win again? What if global war breaks out? What if famine strikes? What if a flesh eating virus consumes the globe? What if the sky turns black as night? What if the seas boil? What if water runs red as blood? What if the dead rise? What if we re-sign Agbonlahor?
Well, to state the obvious, none of those are nearly as likely as 1 win in 9.
Afterall, Smith has already managed it once.
I know I'm being ridiculous, but it looked like you were have fun so I thought I'd join you.
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What if we go on a 1 win in 18 run? What if we never win again? What if global war breaks out? What if famine strikes? What if a flesh eating virus consumes the globe? What if the sky turns black as night? What if the seas boil? What if water runs red as blood? What if the dead rise? What if we re-sign Agbonlahor?
Well, to state the obvious, none of those are nearly as likely as 1 win in 9.
Afterall, Smith has already managed it once.
He’s also managed a great run as well looking on the positive side. With some enterprising, exciting footy thrown in.
I raise my half full glass!
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What if we go on a 1 win in 18 run? What if we never win again? What if global war breaks out? What if famine strikes? What if a flesh eating virus consumes the globe? What if the sky turns black as night? What if the seas boil? What if water runs red as blood? What if the dead rise? What if we re-sign Agbonlahor?
Well, to state the obvious, none of those are nearly as likely as 1 win in 9.
Afterall, Smith has already managed it once.
What point exactly are you trying to make Villa75, because to me it just seems like you are moaning for the sake of it.
We all know Smith is on a bad run and it goes without saying that if that bad run continues to the end of the season he'll be under pressure.
It just seems to me that you are ramping up the stakes for the sake of it.
A few weeks ago Smith got the team playing some of the best football I have seen from Villa for several years. We then lost a couple of key players and now we're on a poor run. Everybody on this site knows that if we play shit for another 9 games the pressure will mount. But what is there to gain from your constant whinging and doom mongering right now? Is it a pro-Bruce thing or do you just see every glass as half empty?
Bruce? God no. He had the squad underperforming as well.
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Brilliant performance by SJM; my only criticism is the he shoots from too far out at times.
The best performance I've seen from Tammy, really winding up his team-mates at 2-0 down. Some clever 'fast-foot stuff from him as well.
They were easily the stand-out performers.