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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: eddiemunster on January 07, 2019, 01:05:09 PM
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The following are out of contract at the end of the season, who would you give another year to? ;
Jed Steer, Tommy Elphick, Alan Hutton, Glen Whelan, Mile Jedinak, Mark Bunn, Ritchie de Laet, Micah Richards, Mitch Clarke, Jordan Lyden, Kelsey Mooney, Isiah Bazeley-Graham, Easah Suliman, Alex Prosser, Jack Clarke, Josef Pastorek, Harry McKirdy, Jordon Cox, Corey Taylor, Callum O'Hare, Harvey Knibbs, Indiana Vassilev.
Under youth contract until the end of season;
Callum Stretch, Callum Rowe, Jake Walker, Charlie McChonnachie, Ethan Patterson, Mungo Bridge, Luke Ige, Jack Birch, Lewis Brunt, Charlie Farr, Colin Odutayo, Jacob Ramsey, Ben Guy, Michael Tait, Dimitri Sea.
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The following are out of contract at the end of the season, who would you give another year to? ;
Jed Steer, Tommy Elphick, Alan Hutton, Glen Whelan, Mile Jedinak, Mark Bunn, Ritchie de Laet, Micah Richards, Mitch Clarke, Jordan Lyden, Kelsey Mooney, Isiah Bazeley-Graham, Easah Suliman, Alex Prosser, Jack Clarke, Josef Pastorek, Harry McKirdy, Jordon Cox, Corey Taylor, Callum O'Hare, Harvey Knibbs, Indiana Vassilev.
You sure O'Hare is out of contract? if so that's mental.
I wouldn't keep any of the older ones mentioned, probably some of the kids but i'm not sure who's good and who's not these days
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Wouldn't give a contract to any of them.
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Can’t really make a judgement on this until we know who joins in this window and what league we are in next year.
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Ohare and knibbs
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Wouldn't give a contract to any of them.
The only ones I might are the ones I have not seen and know nothing about.
I think a Ohare might be worth persevering with.
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Well Micah has certainly earned a new one >:(
I would like to see if we had a player in RDL - pre season under Bruce he was very good then never got a sniff
All the others - no
The kids - meh
I speak with a guy who does all the U23 and youth teams and he says there is not one stand out at the moment but he also said that Jack hardly set the world alight in the U23 and came in from no where so its hard to tell
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Looks like we will lose out on a bit of cash there, as we probably could have got some money for Steer, Elphick, Jedinak and De Laet had they been sold. As it is, I imagine they will all go on a free in the summer and I certainly wouldn't be too disappointed to see any of the senior players go (in fact there should be a street party in B6 to celebrate Richards finally leaving!).
The only two I would perhaps consider keeping would be Steer as back-up keeper (though I think he will probably want to move on and be a number 1 somewhere now) and De Laet (simply because I don't think he has been given enough of a chance).
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Well Micah has certainly earned a new one >:(
I would like to see if we had a player in RDL - pre season under Bruce he was very good then never got a sniff
All the others - no
The kids - meh
I speak with a guy who does all the U23 and youth teams and he says there is not one stand out at the moment but he also said that Jack hardly set the world alight in the U23 and came in from no where so its hard to tell
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If he thinks Jack came from nowhere hes not a good judge
From 15, when he was playing with kids two years his senior, his talent was obvious. Indeed I struggle to imagine anyone watching grealish for half an hour and not seeing the effortless talent
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Can’t really make a judgement on this until we know who joins in this window and what league we are in next year.
I thought I was a miserable old bastard, but even I don’t think we’re going to be relegated.
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For three years in the Championship and a spectacular spend, that's a whole heap of shit we've accumulated.
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Adomah is out of contact too isn’t he?
I wouldn’t give any of the senior ones a new deal. Based on those seniors listed above we’re talking the best part of £200k a week in wages
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We need change. There’s too many players from our first season in the Chumps hanging around. They can all go.
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There's a lot of make do and mend in that squad, and a lot of 'what the hell did we buy that for?!' It's like clearing the garage after your Nan dies.
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I think we should be relatively cautious and just dump everyone who isn't a youth team player
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Depends if we’re in prem or champ ?!😜
Can’t believe there’s so few senior ones out of contract
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I don't know many of the kids, but of the older players on that OP list, only Jed Steer is worth keeping, as a back up to Kalinic. The rest of them will save us a fortune in salary and ease FFP issues quite nicely.
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The following are out of contract at the end of the season, who would you give another year to? ;
Jed Steer, Tommy Elphick, Alan Hutton, Glen Whelan, Mile Jedinak, Mark Bunn, Ritchie de Laet, Micah Richards, Mitch Clarke, Jordan Lyden, Kelsey Mooney, Isiah Bazeley-Graham, Easah Suliman, Alex Prosser, Jack Clarke, Josef Pastorek, Harry McKirdy, Jordon Cox, Corey Taylor, Callum O'Hare, Harvey Knibbs, Indiana Vassilev.
Under youth contract until the end of season;
Callum Stretch, Callum Rowe, Jake Walker, Charlie McChonnachie, Ethan Patterson, Mungo Bridge, Luke Ige, Jack Birch, Lewis Brunt, Charlie Farr, Colin Odutayo, Jacob Ramsey, Ben Guy, Michael Tait, Dimitri Sea.
I would genuinely only keep Steer in the list from Steer to Richards which would free up about £250k a month in wages at a guess. Of the younger players after that, I haven’t a clue though Clarke (M) and Clarke (J) and O’Hare we hear good things about.
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Same. Keep Jed and be well rid of the rest. No idea if any of the kids are good enough to break into the first team squad.
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Certainly should be a priority for DS to sign up players with comedy names like Indiana Vassilev, Harvy Knibbs, Charlie McChonnachie and my personal fave......Mungo Bridge
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Keep - anyone with the capacity to improve from the younger players. Even if we can then move them on for a small fee that's a good model to operate.
Get rid - anyone who doesn't got into the above group. Not against short term contracts for older players on reasonable wages that can do a job as long as they don't impede the benefits of longer term prospects. (See Hutton deal last summer)
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I would put Micah Richards on a five year contract for us his performances this season have been outstanding.
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Keep - anyone with the capacity to improve from the younger players. Even if we can then move them on for a small fee that's a good model to operate.
Get rid - anyone who doesn't got into the above group. Not against short term contracts for older players on reasonable wages that can do a job as long as they don't impede the benefits of longer term prospects. (See Hutton deal last summer)
I'd agree with this. Everyone up to and including Richards can go (but I'd consider Steer and RDL getting another year if they have the right attitude).
Of the rest I'd prefer to see us keep almost all of them, most are U20 so there's plenty of time for them to improve, I guess they've all got 6 months to earn a contract.
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I'd clear out anyone that's played a competitive game for us and lost. Keep the rest.
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I would put Micah Richards in a cannon and fire him into the sun.
I fixed that for you.
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Tammy !!!!!!!
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I would put Micah Richards in a cannon and fire him into the sun.So sustaining life on the planet for millenia!!!!
I fixed that for you.
I fixed that for both of you
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I would put Micah Richards on a five year contract for us his performances this season have been outstanding.
In all the games Villa have lost so far this season, Micah was absent.
Just sayin'.........
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I would put Micah Richards on a five year contract for us his performances this season have been outstanding.
In all the games Villa have lost so far this season, Micah was absent.
Just sayin'.........
He hasn’t put a foot wrong.
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As I watch the youth and reserves most weeks I will comment on them as everyone has their own opinion on the senior players I guess.
I will split them into two groups, Young Professionals and YTS players.
My personal opinion of course and I have been known to be wrong.
Young Professionals.
Mitch Clark - I think is along with Callum O'Hare the best young player at the club and has done well at Port Vale. Keep.
Jordan Lyden - Bog standard. Release
Kelsey Mooney - Isiah Bazely - Graham - Not quite good enough, Release
Easah Sulliman - Never been impressed as not physically strong enough, Release.
Alex Prosser - Not flash but does a good job and only 19 - Worth keeping for a year. Best player against Man U .
Jack Clarke - One of my favourites but I fear lack of pace will be his downfall. He will have a career - Keep
Josef Pastorek - The club kept him as He had an injury. I think He has already left - Release.
Harry McKirdy - I like him and unlike most of the other players we have loaned out He has done well, as with Jack Clarke I think He will have a career but probably not quite good enough for us - Give him a Year
Jordan Cox, Corey Taylor - Not quite good enough - Release.
Callum O'Hare - Definitely Keep. Very good player.
Harvey Knibbs - Surprised He got a Pro Contract - Release.
Indy - Is in the Youth Team (U 18s) so shouldn't be included here - Offer a Pro Contract.
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YTS Players
Callum Stretch - Is playing in Denver so probably already gone - Release
Callum Rowe - A Pro already but average - Release
Jake Walker - Good prospect, could play in the first Team eventually - Keep
Charlie Conks - I Like but not good enough - Release
Ethan Patterson - I Like him but surprised He wasn't picked for Youth Cup - Keep
Mungo Bridge - Injured lately but I like him - Keep
Luke Ige - Not impressed by this Centre Back - Release
Jack Birch - Ball winning Midfielder injured for a while - Release I think
Lewis Brunt - Very talented but has just signed a new contract - Kept
Charlie Farr - Liked him the other week against Derby Youth, I think He has another year as a YTS - Probably keep
Colin Odutayo - Youth Team Bollasie - Keep for another year.
Jacob Ramsey - Good player - Keep
Ben Guy - I think He has another year as a YTS - If so Keep, if not release.
Michael Tate - I know He has been offered a Pro Contract but not signed it yet.
Dimmy Sea - Big powerful Centre Forward - Keep
Outstanding YTS players are ;
Walker, Brunt and Ramsey in my opinion.
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ramsay looked good yesterday
if thats the winger ?
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Definitely none of the first seven with the possible exception of Elphick
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I’d keep Jedi of the senior players, depending on fitness.
Will be glad to be rid of Bunn. Zero respect for him after the jumping backwards and getting tangled in the net farce at Stoke in the relegation season. It was so bad it was almost as if he’d got a few quid on it.
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Jedi is on the best part of £45k p/w. Get rid.
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Jedi is on the best part of £45k p/w. Get rid.
Doesn't really suit the style Smith will try and implement either.
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All the experienced players above will go either in Jan or in the summer on a free. Of our loanees, I can't imagine any of them being with us next year either.
Also, we have a decent number with contracts finishing in 2020. Kodjia, Chester, Elmo, AA, BB, Hourihane, Davis, RHM. Big decisions this summer on these aswell. Another reason why I think we should be very open to bids this month for likes of Kodjia.
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Glad to see Mungo Bridge gets a thumbs up. As has the delightfully monikered charlie Farr. i'd be tempted to give charlie conks another year and if he doesn't work out we can sell him to Viz.
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All the experienced players above will go either in Jan or in the summer on a free. Of our loanees, I can't imagine any of them being with us next year either.
Also, we have a decent number with contracts finishing in 2020. Kodjia, Chester, Elmo, AA, BB, Hourihane, Davis, RHM. Big decisions this summer on these aswell. Another reason why I think we should be very open to bids this month for likes of Kodjia.
Given his age, wage and the injuries we'd be offered £2-3m and would leave ourselves with Hogan and Davis as our only strikers come the summer. The money we'd get back isn't enough to be worth it. If a striker comes in early in the summer then we can revisit then but I'd let Hogan go first anyway.
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As I watch the youth and reserves most weeks I will comment on them as everyone has their own opinion on the senior players I guess.
I will split them into two groups, Young Professionals and YTS players.
My personal opinion of course and I have been known to be wrong.
Young Professionals.
Mitch Clark - I think is along with Callum O'Hare the best young player at the club and has done well at Port Vale. Keep.
Jordan Lyden - Bog standard. Release
Kelsey Mooney - Isiah Bazely - Graham - Not quite good enough, Release
Easah Sulliman - Never been impressed as not physically strong enough, Release.
Alex Prosser - Not flash but does a good job and only 19 - Worth keeping for a year. Best player against Man U .
Jack Clarke - One of my favourites but I fear lack of pace will be his downfall. He will have a career - Keep
Josef Pastorek - The club kept him as He had an injury. I think He has already left - Release.
Harry McKirdy - I like him and unlike most of the other players we have loaned out He has done well, as with Jack Clarke I think He will have a career but probably not quite good enough for us - Give him a Year
Jordan Cox, Corey Taylor - Not quite good enough - Release.
Callum O'Hare - Definitely Keep. Very good player.
Harvey Knibbs - Surprised He got a Pro Contract - Release.
Indy - Is in the Youth Team (U 18s) so shouldn't be included here - Offer a Pro Contract.
Thanks for this and the subsequent post. Interesting stuff.
According to Transfermarkt, Clark's contract is up in summer so I hope we sign him longer-term. Was impressed by his performance last season in the League Cup and he seems popular with the Vale fans.
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I agree with Larry on most of those, I'd probably give Lyden a few months to see if he can offer some enrgy in front of the defence and I'd personally like to see us keep Suliman for now and see how he develops for another year, I'd probably get him training with the senior squad and give him a list of targets for the summer. To me he reads the game well and has a calmness about him that I like but he needs to add a bit of steel to it, he appears to have grown up watching some of the classy ball playing centre backs but not noticed that they're willing to kick someone if needed.
I don't know enough about he younger lads to comment but I agree on Walker and Ramsey from what I've seen, the latter in particular looks like he could become a very good player if he works on the defensive side of him game and becomes more of a box-to-box centre mid.
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I don't think we should keep any of the senior players on that list. Maybe Steer, if Smith rates him more highly than he does Nyland.
There are plenty of better, younger and cheaper players that we could easily bring to the club rather than re-sign those ones. I don't doubt for a second that Smith would agree with that too.
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I wonder if Bruce will come sniffing for a few of the experienced ones
Jedi
Whelan
Elmo
Even on loan if They have no money
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I don't think we should keep any of the senior players on that list. Maybe Steer, if Smith rates him more highly than he does Nyland.
There are plenty of better, younger and cheaper players that we could easily bring to the club rather than re-sign those ones. I don't doubt for a second that Smith would agree with that too.
Steer if he's happy ti fight out with Nyland for a place on the bench and I could understand if Smith offered RDL a contract to get a good look at him.
They're the only 2 that I see fitting in with the way Smith will want to get us playing longer term.
As for new signings, age (up to about 26/27) doesn't matter much and costs will all be relative to what money we have available. What I'm really interested in is seeing us looking at players who fit very specific criteria and can come in and be part of what we're trying to build. Hause is a good example as he's big, quick, strong and good in the air but also strong with the ball at his feet, can make space for himself and can pass, that's the sort of defender that works if you're playing the attacking game we are.
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I wish Charlie Conks was good
as thats a great name
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I wonder if Bruce will come sniffing for a few of the experienced ones
Jedi
Whelan
Elmo
Even on loan if They have no money
Swap them all for Reach?
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Is this if it was the end of season now or more it's the end of the season who do we keep?
I mean are we forecasting as if it's the end of season today (or whenever one reads this unless it's actually end of season )
But if it's actually forecasting that at end of season who do we move on and keep is it not just based on what we have seen thus far ?
It's like if it's end of the world today what would you do?
And then there is if it's actually the end of the world what would you do ?
It's a confusing one but I think I would still not keep Whelan and jedinak for start.
Be it today or season end.
Also season may end in may 26th or Midweek may or just after may day .
I think my point is that are we saying if the season ended and the players out of contract are those players all being kept then no.
Season ends tonight - Whelan and Jedinak good bye.
Same as if it ends in may or actually when it ends as it does end in may
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Wise words mate in a space and time travel continuum kinda thing.
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As Yogi Berra said, it's déjà vu all over again. Chronosynclastic Infendebulum if we are to believe Kurt Vonnegut. Good book, The Sirens of Titan. Always liked the name Malachie Constant.
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As Yogi Berra said, it's déjà vu all over again. Chronosynclastic Infendebulum if we are to believe Kurt Vonnegut. Good book, The Sirens of Titan. Always liked the name Malachie Constant.
Thinking about Vonnegut in this instance, was not unlikely.
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I’d dump those clowns on the doors at the Holte suite. The queues to get in and the gaff is half empty
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As Yogi Berra said, it's déjà vu all over again.
"People don't go there anymore, it's too crowded"
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I’d dump those clowns on the doors at the Holte suite. The queues to get in and the gaff is half empty
Cannot understand that one----admitted the rear room is usually rammed with no empty seats at 1 pm --but the front room is rarely full --and yet the queue is often s shaped?? --and how about the staff?? never the same 2 games running!! must be on a gain experience course from a local college---and they aint properly trained--some have difficulty using the till!! the whole operation needs a serious re-think!
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I’d dump those clowns on the doors at the Holte suite. The queues to get in and the gaff is half empty
Cannot understand that one----admitted the rear room is usually rammed with no empty seats at 1 pm --but the front room is rarely full --and yet the queue is often s shaped?? --and how about the staff?? never the same 2 games running!! must be on a gain experience course from a local college---and they aint properly trained--some have difficulty using the till!! the whole operation needs a serious re-think!
I don't understand the appeal. Why queue to get in when you can have a pint in the ground?
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I posted here too as more appropriate , initial post was on transfer thread.
So Smith wants to bring down age of squad.
Makes sense with the time of football pressing to play and having energy and tempo.
Here is the squad with Current age (and age by end of season)
30s
Glenn Whelan 35
Mile Jedinak 34
Mark Bunn 34
Alan Hutton 34
Ross McCormack ! 32!!
Ahmed Elmohamady 31
Tommy Elphick 31
Albert Adomah 31
Birkir Bjarnason 30 (31 end of May)
Ritchie de Laet! 30!
Micah Richards! 30! (31 June)
Neil Taylor 29 (30 in Feb)
James Chester 29 (30 in a week or so)
20s
Jonathan Kodjia 29
Lovre Kalinić 28 (29 in April)
Ørjan Nyland 28
Henri Lansbury 28
Conor Hourihane 27 (28 in Feb)
Scott Hogan 26 (27 in April)
Jed Steer 26
Gary Gardner ! 26!
24 and under
John McGinn 24
Aaron Tshibola ! 24!
Jack Grealish 23
Kortney Hause 23
Keinan Davis 21
James Bree 21
Andre Green 20 (21 in Feb)
Callum O’Hare 20 (21 in may)
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I think move on all those in the 30s range for starters.
Those 24 and under- keep
Do what Southgate is doing with England bring in a couple of experience the rest bring in youth or mid 20s
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[/quote]Certainly should be a priority for DS to sign up players with comedy names like Indiana Vassilev, Harvy Knibbs, Charlie McChonnachie and my personal fave......Mungo Bridge
*Nods in sombre agreement*