Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on December 08, 2018, 01:45:37 AM
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Excuse me, but it's time I vented about these bastards again.
I get on the train, and it's full of Villa supporters singing. Some clown sitting opposite takes his coat off to show his Stripey tattoo, then puts it back on again. He finishes a bottle of some foreign fizzy shite then holds it by the neck saying to his mate that if anybody says anything to him they'll get it over their head. None of our songs are "original" apparently, unlike The Lord's My Shepherd, because an Albion supporter obviously wrote the fucking Bible. Then it's "embarrassing" to sing about winning trophies. Fair play to his mate, he looked like he's rather be anywhere else than with Mr Eightiesman.
We get off the train and go on a route march because it's written into Case Law that when Villa play away anywhere local we have to be put to the maximum possible inconvenience while for the return, visitors to Villa Park get a red carpet reception and garlands of flowers at the turnstiles.
Speaking of which, there has to be a delay at some gates for a ticket check and to let congestion at the turnstiles go down because in the forty years since I first visited this hovel they have never once been able to deal with a proper crowd. get in, and there's one toilet with one entrance/exit. Into the stand and they've got a drum.
We sing about our players, they sing about us. We sing about trophies we've won, they sing about us. We sing about us, they sing about us. And they've got a drum.
They've got one scoreboard full of adverts for scrap dealers and charity shops. They don't say who scored our goals or how much stoppage time is being played.
They spawn a late equaliser and their supporters run on the pitch. No Dark Ages there, oh no. The Pride of the Midlands celebrate a draw at home like they've won their first trophy for fifty years. With a drum.
Finally out, and miss the extra train put on because Usain Bolt would have struggled to get back in time for it. Towards the metro and West Midlands' Finest have let their supporters queue within ten yards of ours. Oh, the hilarity.
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I was seat 70, next to the twats in the Smethwick who celebrated like they'd won a cup. Earning a point. One point.
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Fair play for beating us 2-2 though. And for only singing one song second half, until we scored, which was about us and cabbages avec a fucking drum.
And fair play for the Small Heath impression launching bottles when we scored.
Getting out was a scrum. I've lost count about the number of brave tatters offering me out from the safety of two ranks of police, stewards and some mesh. Fucking tin pot twats.
There's always a queue to get in and there's always a maul to get back on the train.
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I don't get the taunts about the cabbage. Don't they realise the cabbage might turn out to be the most important player in our recent history? Without it we might still have Bruce and they'd probably have won tonight. If they brought along a cabbage every time they wanted a manager out they'd have enough to make the world's biggest coleslaw. Bloody thickos.
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And the cabbage song was ours to start with.
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Look on the bright side. At least it’s the last time we’ll ever have to go there.
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Imagine a play off final with these gimps.
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Excellent rant Dave
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Not happy they equalised late on, but I called the draw. Sounds like they are more small time than blues, from some of the comments here. That would take some doing.
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(https://i.ibb.co/NN3DSZR/Cyrille-banner.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NN3DSZR)
Taken from Project B6 on Twitter. WBA didn't allow this banner to be taken into the ground last night.
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(https://i.ibb.co/NN3DSZR/Cyrille-banner.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NN3DSZR)
Taken from Project B6 on Twitter. WBA didn't allow this banner to be taken into the ground last night.
That's a great football banner and a lot of effort has gone into that. I don't think anybody on either side could be anything other than happy with that.
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Their support was piss poor for their cup final. As said in the OP they sang about four times, all about us. Don't get the cabbage song as it did us a favour and made us stronger?
Thought our support was the best it's been for a local away game for a few years. Our support hasn't been great at Blues for example the past couple of years.
Great to hear lots of other songs rather than HEITS on repeat. Plenty of new songs aswell and good that we now have players worth making songs about again.
Allez Allez Allez
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Love the Rant DW.
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Love the Rant DW.
Yeah great rant, did anyone notice the drum?
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Love the Rant DW.
Yeah great rant, did anyone notice the drum?
I thought the part time racist/countryside alliance apologist Clapton was a guitarist.
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Such a weird club. In a very large, modern city but at the same time its like going to that black country living museum place.
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Love the Rant DW.
Yeah great rant, did anyone notice the drum?
The swamp-dwellers have a drum?! Frankly, I'm surprised any of 'em would know what to do with it.
ps Top rant there Dave. Once a Noddy outfit: always a Noddy outfit - immediately springs to mind. At least the stripey filth have always played attractive, attacking football no? Marvellous.
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Excellent description by Dave (& Ads). I've never really got these muppets or their obsessive hatred of us. Blues I can understand but Albion? Every now and again, when I go to a game with them, it reminds me that I dislike them immensely. Last night was one of those games. Next week, they will return to being absolutely nothing to me.
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Excellent description by Dave (& Ads). I've never really got these muppets or their obsessive hatred of us. Blues I can understand but Albion? Every now and again, when I go to a game with them, it reminds me that I dislike them immensely. Last night was one of those games. Next week, they will return to being absolutely nothing to me.
It's the oldest hatred in football. Us and them have been at it since the 1880s. We've grown up a bit.
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Excellent description by Dave (& Ads). I've never really got these muppets or their obsessive hatred of us. Blues I can understand but Albion? Every now and again, when I go to a game with them, it reminds me that I dislike them immensely. Last night was one of those games. Next week, they will return to being absolutely nothing to me.
It's the oldest hatred in football. Us and them have been at it since the 1880s. We've grown up a bit.
I understand the term "rivalry" but hatred is something I don't get. What have we ever done to them other than get bigger crowds and win more trophies? Most Villa fans I know (our age) don't hate Albion. They hate Blues admittedly but not Albion.
I don't see Albion as a rival or a competitor. I see them as a glorified Walsall.
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Excellent description by Dave (& Ads). I've never really got these muppets or their obsessive hatred of us. Blues I can understand but Albion? Every now and again, when I go to a game with them, it reminds me that I dislike them immensely. Last night was one of those games. Next week, they will return to being absolutely nothing to me.
It's the oldest hatred in football. Us and them have been at it since the 1880s. We've grown up a bit.
I understand the term "rivalry" but hatred is something I don't get. What have we ever done to them other than get bigger crowds and win more trophies? Most Villa fans I know (our age) don't hate Albion. They hate Blues admittedly but not Albion.
I don't see Albion as a rival or a competitor. I see them as a glorified Walsall.
You've just answered your own question.
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Small minds.small crowds.small ground.small trophy cabinet.....do you reckon they have small cocks as well ?
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Small minds.small crowds.small ground.small trophy cabinet.....do you reckon they have small cocks as well ?
No idea. Ask their sisters.
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I think we can console ourselves with the fact that we played them off the park in their own backyard.
I love the look of this Villa team.
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(https://i.ibb.co/NN3DSZR/Cyrille-banner.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NN3DSZR)
Taken from Project B6 on Twitter. WBA didn't allow this banner to be taken into the ground last night.
That’s bloody awful, a heartfelt tribute to a legend of the game that played for both sides and recently died. Are their fans aware of their club’s decision? That is incredibly narrow minded. Do you think they would refuse Hayes or Coventry fans a banner paying tribute to their hero?
I’m fuming about this.
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(https://i.ibb.co/NN3DSZR/Cyrille-banner.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NN3DSZR)
Taken from Project B6 on Twitter. WBA didn't allow this banner to be taken into the ground last night.
That’s bloody awful, a heartfelt tribute to a legend of the game that played for both sides and recently died. Are their fans aware of their club’s decision? That is incredibly narrow minded. Do you think they would refuse Hayes or Coventry fans a banner paying tribute to their hero?
I’m fuming about this.
Apparently banners are only allowed in with prior permission, and have to be checked for fire safety etc. Although it is frustrating, if B6 didn't contact the club in advance there is not much that can be done. Let's face it, when they take the bottle tops off bottles belonging to junior school children trying to take a banner in is tantamount to carrying a shotgun for the stewards.
There is always the return fixture.
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(https://i.ibb.co/NN3DSZR/Cyrille-banner.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NN3DSZR)
Taken from Project B6 on Twitter. WBA didn't allow this banner to be taken into the ground last night.
That’s bloody awful, a heartfelt tribute to a legend of the game that played for both sides and recently died. Are their fans aware of their club’s decision? That is incredibly narrow minded. Do you think they would refuse Hayes or Coventry fans a banner paying tribute to their hero?
I’m fuming about this.
Apparently banners are only allowed in with prior permission, and have to be checked for fire safety etc. Although it is frustrating, if B6 didn't contact the club in advance there is not much that can be done. Let's face it, when they take the bottle tops off bottles belonging to junior school children trying to take a banner in is tantamount to carrying a shotgun for the stewards.
There is always the return fixture.
Gah! How annoying
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I was only four at the time so do not remember it but my late father always hated them and told me many times why .In the 1959 -60 season we were fighting to stay up and were playing at the Hawthorns With time almost up a certain Ronnie Allen scored and more or less relegated us. It was'nt that he scored but the way he and their supporters celebrated it .
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I was only four at the time so do not remember it but my late father always hated them and told me many times why .In the 1959 -60 season we were fighting to stay up and were playing at the Hawthorns With time almost up a certain Ronnie Allen scored and more or less relegated us. It was'nt that he scored but the way he and their supporters celebrated it .
My Dad used to tell me the same story. He hated Albion because of that game and the way that Ronnie Allen celebrated.
To be fair, we do the same when we score goals like that against Blues.
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The 1887 cup final route home set the standard they have maintained ever since.
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What pissed me off was the fact that, the police manage to fuck us over by holding us up outside a train station with separate entrance and platforms, ideal for a swift and easy getaway. The same police that get Blues out of Witton quicker than a rocket seem incapable (or unwilling) to offer us the same courtesy. Obviously fans who are already pissed off with a late unlawful equaliser are going to get angry, and surprise surprise we did.
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I was only four at the time so do not remember it but my late father always hated them and told me many times why .In the 1959 -60 season we were fighting to stay up and were playing at the Hawthorns With time almost up a certain Ronnie Allen scored and more or less relegated us. It was'nt that he scored but the way he and their supporters celebrated it .
My Dad used to tell me the same story. He hated Albion because of that game and the way that Ronnie Allen celebrated.
To be fair, we do the same when we score goals like that against Blues.
I’ve told this tale a few times on here but my grandad, a mild Cork man, was at that game when Ronnie Allen scored the late goal. He was in tears at the final whistle. Outside the ground some Albion fans were taunting him, so he took his jacket off, as was customary in those days, and started to deal with his mockers. Other fans waded in to stop the trouble, but he did what he felt was right.
Incidentally, I lost the Peter Morris book years ago but I thought he said that Ronnie Allen had his head in his hands when he realised he had sent us down.
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Peter Morris is the epitome of never letting the facts get in the way of the story.
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My late Father and Uncle told a tale of bonfires being lit in West Bromwich for several days after and non attendance at work being excused due to excessive celebrating.
Dad really wasn’t one for exaggerating so this would be more than likely true. For the rest of his life he wouldn’t even drive past the ground and took great delight in there various mishaps over the years. I think their relegation to Division 3 caused much merriment as I recall.
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I was only four at the time so do not remember it but my late father always hated them and told me many times why .In the 1959 -60 season we were fighting to stay up and were playing at the Hawthorns With time almost up a certain Ronnie Allen scored and more or less relegated us. It was'nt that he scored but the way he and their supporters celebrated it .
My Dad used to tell me the same story. He hated Albion because of that game and the way that Ronnie Allen celebrated.
To be fair, we do the same when we score goals like that against Blues.
I’ve told this tale a few times on here but my grandad, a mild Cork man, was at that game when Ronnie Allen scored the late goal. He was in tears at the final whistle. Outside the ground some Albion fans were taunting him, so he took his jacket off, as was customary in those days, and started to deal with his mockers. Other fans waded in to stop the trouble, but he did what he felt was right.
Incidentally, I lost the Peter Morris book years ago but I thought he said that Ronnie Allen had his head in his hands when he realised he had sent us down.
I have a scout for you on the tinternet bound to find at least one for sale. Surprisingly I managed to track two down together about a year together, both in really good condition.
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Incidentally, I lost the Peter Morris book years ago but I thought he said that Ronnie Allen had his head in his hands when he realised he had sent us down.
Peter Morris didn't say that. He wrote "Johnny Dixon, who had fought so hard in his team's cause, hung his head in sheer misery. Saward. kneeling in the mud, flung wide his arms in anguish." No mention of Allen's reaction.
Morris did make factual mistakes, but his 1961 history of the club remains (in my opinion) one of the four best Villa books, together with "Children of the Revolution" by Richard Whitehead, "Villa Park 100 Years" by Simon Inglis and "From One Season to the Next" by Dave Woodhall.
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That Peter Morris book is amongst my favourite possessions. It never got to me with its dust jacket on but it has an inscription from my Nan to my Dad giving it as a Christmas present to him. Worthless to everyone else but priceless to me.
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I was only four at the time so do not remember it but my late father always hated them and told me many times why .In the 1959 -60 season we were fighting to stay up and were playing at the Hawthorns With time almost up a certain Ronnie Allen scored and more or less relegated us. It was'nt that he scored but the way he and their supporters celebrated it .
My Dad used to tell me the same story. He hated Albion because of that game and the way that Ronnie Allen celebrated.
To be fair, we do the same when we score goals like that against Blues.
I’ve told this tale a few times on here but my grandad, a mild Cork man, was at that game when Ronnie Allen scored the late goal. He was in tears at the final whistle. Outside the ground some Albion fans were taunting him, so he took his jacket off, as was customary in those days, and started to deal with his mockers. Other fans waded in to stop the trouble, but he did what he felt was right.
Incidentally, I lost the Peter Morris book years ago but I thought he said that Ronnie Allen had his head in his hands when he realised he had sent us down.
I have a scout for you on the tinternet bound to find at least one for sale. Surprisingly I managed to track two down together about a year together, both in really good condition.
Ta very much!
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Excellent description by Dave (& Ads). I've never really got these muppets or their obsessive hatred of us. Blues I can understand but Albion? Every now and again, when I go to a game with them, it reminds me that I dislike them immensely. Last night was one of those games. Next week, they will return to being absolutely nothing to me.
It's the oldest hatred in football. Us and them have been at it since the 1880s. We've grown up a bit.
I understand the term "rivalry" but hatred is something I don't get. What have we ever done to them other than get bigger crowds and win more trophies? Most Villa fans I know (our age) don't hate Albion. They hate Blues admittedly but not Albion.
I don't see Albion as a rival or a competitor. I see them as a glorified Walsall.
There you go: I first watched Villa in 1967 and used to despise the Bloose - mainly because I come from what was a Bloose / ManU part of B'ham. Over the last 20 odd years, my dislike of Bloose has morphed into a disinterest in them, and my bile is reserved more for the Bitters.
Why? - I guess that they obsess about a rivalry that, for them, was always unrequited and - frankly - unrealistic; whereas we have pushed on throughout our history and won stuff.
For the sake of clarity, I still want to see Villa humiliate both of them, each time!
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I can't stand the them either the tesco bags and small heath are vermin.
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My old man hated the Albion with a passion. I had Ronnie Allen in our house years ago trying to sell me Referees insurance, needless to say I didn't buy it, I remembered 1959.
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I was in the bloody home end!! Family stand up the corner. When El Ghazi scored the 2nd I sort of half jumped up and luckily no-one noticed as we were back but one row in that tinpot stand. Listening to most of them on the way out they were all saying they got away with it and we were the best side they've played all season. Funny what you hear when they don't know you are a Villa fan. Got to lads match this morning and some of them saying they played the better football!! I said I must have missed that part of the match. We shackled Barnes brilliantly apart from the one moment where Hutton should have done better and he set up Gayle but he was anonymous for most of the second half. Keep playing like that and top 2 place will be ours.
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Peter Morris is the epitome of never letting the facts get in the way of the story.
I was at that game with my brother i was nothing short of devastated when they doomed us right at the end, what sticks in my mind was i don't think we said a single word to each other on the way home just totally speechless.
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Funny thing about the Ronnie Allen game in 1959. Up until recently you'd often get Albion supporters saying they were there and describing it in great detail. Yet not one of them ever said a word about the game in 1954 when we beat them 6-1 and effectively stopped them from winning the double. It was strange how they could remember something from fifty years ago absolutely perfectly, buy not from just five years earlier.
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The drum in question
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What a ******.
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I fucking hate drums at games. See also Sheffield Wednesday and Huddersfield. They're all just fucking wankers.
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Lets not beat about the bush, the place is in a fucking time warp, even the Tardis couldn’t go that far backwards...
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Honestly never used to mind them that much. They were just a local team we'd regularly beat like Wolves in the premier league up to about 2010.
Naively didn't realise how much they hated us like SHA do and then all this lording about best team in the Midlands when we went into decline. Didn't last long for them anyway.
More fool me.
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My view is that it is important to have local rivalries. I can’t really hate WBA, and do actually want them to be competitive and relatively successful (but not quite as successful as us) because then the rivalry becomes more prestigious and meaningful. Getting one over on some insignificant tin pot club doesn’t give me much satisfaction.
I really enjoyed the FA Cup QF in 2015 because we were both top flight teams and in with a chance of silverware. That is how it should be in a second city derby, but has happened so infrequently. Much like all of the West Midlands clubs, they haven’t had much success in recent years. They have though won a similar number of major trophies to Man City before their money came along.
I think about how Villa gave WBA money in the 19th century to keep them afloat. I can’t remember the details, and presumably it was before the league was founded, but it was obviously recognised that a rivalry was good, or at least we needed someone to play against.
I can’t take the Blues rivalry seriously because even in their most successful periods they haven’t got one over on us to the extent of actually winning major trophies (apart from the one league cup obviously).
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These people are by and large dickheads.
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I find that the limited intelligent regulars that haunt the likes of WM and Talksport, along with the conglomeration of Noses, Stripey's , Dogheads and Coventarians that expend all their collective energies singing about us are more to be pitied than ridiculed. A total inconsequence the lot of them along with their clubs.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the drum
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the drum
Nothing depicts a small time club quite like a drum
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I don't like to point it out but we had one once. Trinity Road. The idiot walked past me belting it furiously and nearly hit me in the head with the beater.
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Honestly never used to mind them that much. They were just a local team we'd regularly beat like Wolves in the premier league up to about 2010.
Naively didn't realise how much they hated us like SHA do and then all this lording about best team in the Midlands when we went into decline. Didn't last long for them anyway.
More fool me.
They have even begun to come out in recent years with the same knuckledragging stuff usually associated with Blues fans. I went to school with an Albion fan who I reconnected with on Facebook a few years ago and immediately noticed that he seemingly spent most of his time posting about Villa. After we beat them in the FA Cup to make it the second time in a week a few years ago, all he could muster was a post claiming that Albion had supposedly 'run' Villa. You could almost feel the pain in his words and it was exactly the kind of desperation to claim any kind of victory in defeat usually employed by Blues fans.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the drum
Nothing depicts a small time club quite like a drum
What about a clacker?
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I fucking hate drums at games. See also Sheffield Wednesday and Huddersfield. They're all just fucking wankers.
I know a member of the Sheffield band and can confirm you are 100% correct. Despicable knobhead he is.
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My Mom's side of the family were West Brom, and I didn't really mind them. Then, 1977, Ally Brown and that 'tackle'. That turned me against them, and my antipathy endures.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the drum
Nothing depicts a small time club quite like a drum
"Pa-rum pum pum pum..."
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I was only four at the time so do not remember it but my late father always hated them and told me many times why .In the 1959 -60 season we were fighting to stay up and were playing at the Hawthorns With time almost up a certain Ronnie Allen scored and more or less relegated us. It was'nt that he scored but the way he and their supporters celebrated it .
So it's the Newcastle and Villa hatred but us as West Brom and Newcastle as Villa 😂
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That Peter Morris book is amongst my favourite possessions. It never got to me with its dust jacket on but it has an inscription from my Nan to my Dad giving it as a Christmas present to him. Worthless to everyone else but priceless to me.
Nice story mate
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I was there when Ronnie Allen scored, they went way over the top celebrating. I remember being shocked as at that time fans stood together at games and the atmosphere was totally different. It was the 1st time that I had grief from fans as I left the stadium. I was at school at the time.
My other bad memory was hearing "Alex,Alex Cripally" shouted. I had been at Villa Park when Ally Brown scythed him down and heard the crack of his leg. One of the few times that I cried at a match.
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WBA try to copy blues in other ways too.
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WBA try to copy blues in other ways too.
Yes, by being ******, for example.
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I was there when Ronnie Allen scored, they went way over the top celebrating. I remember being shocked as at that time fans stood together at games and the atmosphere was totally different. It was the 1st time that I had grief from fans as I left the stadium. I was at school at the time.
My other bad memory was hearing "Alex,Alex Cripally" shouted. I had been at Villa Park when Ally Brown scythed him down and heard the crack of his leg. One of the few times that I cried at a match.
My dad was at that game too, and spoke about it often.
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My view is that it is important to have local rivalries. I can’t really hate WBA...
Fair enough, I guess. But have you ever lived in an area where there are loads of them?
I moved to Stourbridge from Solihull a few years ago and obviously on that side of the city had my fair share of experience with noses. I hadn't really thought a lot about the stripeys before because of the lack of proximity to them, so was surprised when I discovered that a large amount of them actually hate Villa more than any nose I've ever met. I don't know if it's just an inferiority complex, or something to do with Villa being the biggest team in the Black Country, which they see as their turf. Whatever it is, Villa get under their skin like nothing else.
Look at the depths to which they are willing to plumb - their reaction to the 'Support Stan' season, where they were demanding to know why we were supporting a player fighting a chronic, potentially terminal, disease, when we hadn't exactly sung his name from the stands before. Hypocrites, fickle, that's what a great many of them said of us at the time. No nose, to my knowledge, sank so low. With us, anything is fair game to them. Mark that, and mark it well.
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I moved to Stourbridge from Solihull a few years ago and obviously on that side of the city had my fair share of experience with noses. I hadn't really thought a lot about the stripeys before because of the lack of proximity to them
Exactly the same with me - grew up in Hall Green / Solihull, so pretty much never actually met an Albion fan. Given that, never encountered their cuntiness, therefore never really had any strong feelings about them.
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I moved to Stourbridge from Solihull a few years ago and obviously on that side of the city had my fair share of experience with noses. I hadn't really thought a lot about the stripeys before because of the lack of proximity to them
Exactly the same with me - grew up in Hall Green / Solihull, so pretty much never actually met an Albion fan. Given that, never encountered their cuntiness, therefore never really had any strong feelings about them.
Pretty much the same for me - grew up in Hall Green, Worcester and settled in Bournville - didn't come across any Baggies until I started working on the Hagley Road and there were a few at the Bank I worked in - didn't have any problems with them - having said that we used to play every week in Coseley and then go drinking afterwards at Ma Pardoes, the Crooked House or other such decent drinking establishments
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I grew up in Oldbury, so experienced how much they hated/hate us.
I believe the response of the Albion fans to relegating us in 1959 (my dad often told me of the Villa players being spat on as they left the pitch) was their pay back for us beating them in the FA Cup semi final in 57. By most accounts we were a bit lucky.
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Spent the first 12 years of my life in Birmingham then moved to Smethwick. The attitude of some is a bit like that of Austrians/Canadians being horrified if people think they’re German/American. The reality is outside of the West Midlands, most people have more awareness of Birmingham than Sandwell.
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Slightly off topic- and I understand that this is considered a more high-brow site than the Facebook groups we all use to watch the match if we can’t get there... I don’t know too much about the West Brom rivalry, but it sickens me the way small heath somehow try to claim that we are all from Staffordshire or wherever. We literally have thousands more fans in Birmingham than them, and I bet even the Peaky Blinders were secretly jealous of us (especially
as in their era we were arguably the biggest club in the world).