Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on August 19, 2018, 11:37:39 AM
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They are undoubtedly our new bogey team in league football, the modern day Leicester City.
Why do we struggle so much against them? Just a bad match up in styles as we don't have as bad a record against other passing teams in this division e.g. Wolves last year. Or do we struggle to get up for things as "it's only Brentford." Dean Smith wanting to impress his future employers?
Don't see us winning on Wednesday so that could be 5 matches without a win v them, Wiped the floor against us twice at Griffin Park and should've won comfortably at VP last season.
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They pass and move round us like we are traffic cones.
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They pass and move round us like we are traffic cones.
Beat me to it!!
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I didn’t think we were brilliant against Swansea in the top flight and they always played good passing football too.
Woods in particular, always seems to play superbly against us.
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I think they play in-between the lines, into the gaps that Villa don't cover because we are very rigid. The play nice football and are all comfortable on the ball. To beat them we have to close down a lot quicker, match their movement, hope for good finishing when we get chances but above all work as hard as they do. I think they have 11 players who are comfortable on the ball, they don't waste possession too often. I doubt Dean Smith would find working with our team as easy as he does with his, as they are hand picked for their ability to play their way. I'd very much like to see him try through. Only a handful of our side would be comfortable playing their way at the current time.
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I didn’t think we were brilliant against Swansea in the top flight and they always played good passing football too.
Woods in particular, always seems to play superbly against us.
Swansea were actually one of the few teams we had an o.k record against under Lambert.
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Our record against Swansea in the PL was W1 D3 L6.
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Our record against Swansea in the PL was W1 D3 L6.
I remember the home game when they'd just come up to the PL. Many of us were hoping for a good home win, but Brendan Rodgers team absolutely passed us to bits.
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I guess it opens the debate again about the now defunct 'Villa engine', which would never work under a Bruce regime because of the style of football we play. Smith or Rodgers would want to build it, Bruce isn't the man to endorse it. I doubt the Villa board at the time were noused up enough to spot that error but hopefully, the new CEO will be.
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Our record against Swansea in the PL was W1 D3 L6.
Was more on about the early days. McLeish took 4 points off them for example as did Lambert in his first season. Lambert always knew how to counter Brendan Rodgers teams when you look at how good his record was at Anfield.
Of course Swansea then started beating us but then pretty much every team had winning records v us in our last two prem seasons.
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Our record against Swansea in the PL was W1 D3 L6.
Was more on about the early days. McLeish took 4 points off them for example as did Lambert in his first season. Lambert always knew how to counter Brendan Rodgers teams when you look at how good his record was at Anfield.
Of course Swansea then started beating us but then pretty much every team had winning records v us in our last two prem seasons.
How did they both take 4 points if we only beat them once? :P
McLeish took 1 point from the 2 games without us scoring.
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Opps...talking about Lambert here is a problem as I thought for some reason us winning 3-2 v his Norwich team in November 2011 was against Swansea for some reason!
You're right but we did only lose one of our first five league games against Swansea in premier league.....I think.
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Did Woods move on in the end?
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Still there. Move to Swansea fell through on deadline day. Don't think he's played in either of their games.
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Ta
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Be interesting to see if he's in the squad today.
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On the bench
They pass and move between the lines
We didn't help ourselves in the two away games. I think we have an entire midfield their debut in the first year. And in the second year we inexplicably played Whelan and jedinak together against a really nimble quick passing team
I think we'll struggle on Wednesday. But our best chance is to have enough pace in defence and to try as we can to match their tenacity and passing in midfield
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It’s the Championships fault.
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Paul Mortimer on BBC today - sounding ominous with Jedi at centre back.
There has been some wonderful one and two-touch football from Brentford to move the ball and get in behind the defence.
It is a continental style of play.
It is difficult for the Wednesday to stop.
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Brentford comfortably win 2-0.
Ollie Watkins with another. Ryan Woods unused sub so will be fresh for Wednesday.
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They will pass and play us off the park on Wednesday. It will make a change to see some good football at VP though.
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We struggled against Man City, Nicky Weaver on the sherbets apart, especially away from home. Sometimes a side just has the number on you, regardless of whether they're any good.
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We struggled against Man City, Nicky Weaver on the sherbets apart, especially away from home. Sometimes a side just has the number on you, regardless of whether they're any good.
Let’s be honest there’s a complete Bermuda Triangle around Greater Manchester the number of times Villa teams have gone missing.
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Absolutely.
I've seen 1 win at Old Trafford and then 3 wins at Man City in the best part of 30 years.
We're alright on Wigan, which is Greater Manchester. Apparently. A draw in Oldham in my only trip there and then some iffy results in Bolton.
But in the Cotton and Guns capital itself, crikey we're mince. Ok, I get Man United, but there's something in the water in that city.
Same for Newcastle. Utter bobbins.
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Breaks my heart that we missed Ollie Watkins.
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Think it's 1 win in 13 years at Newcastle yet 10-20 miles down the road we always seem to win at Boro and Sunderland.
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I think they play in-between the lines, into the gaps that Villa don't cover because we are very rigid. The play nice football and are all comfortable on the ball. To beat them we have to close down a lot quicker, match their movement, hope for good finishing when we get chances but above all work as hard as they do. I think they have 11 players who are comfortable on the ball, they don't waste possession too often. I doubt Dean Smith would find working with our team as easy as he does with his, as they are hand picked for their ability to play their way. I'd very much like to see him try through. Only a handful of our side would be comfortable playing their way at the current time.
"match their movement" Not a chance! Jedinak is great in the air but how useful is that going to be against Brentfords passing game? He runs like he's carrying a wardrobe strapped to his back.
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Woods off to Stoke so unlikely to be near the team tomorrow
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Woods off to Stoke so unlikely to be near the team tomorrow
No doubt they will have a ready made replacement to slot in.
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Stoke signed clucas too so have some squad .
Though is that woods a loan move as no transfers are allowed ??
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Woods off to Stoke so unlikely to be near the team tomorrow
I've just got to say it again then...
Can't see the woods for the bees
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Brentford pass and move and play proper football. It's alchemy, black magic, cheating I tell you, it's really not fair and should be banned like it is at Bodymoor Heath.
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Do you watch them much?
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Were a bunch of players thrown together by a manager who simply sends them out match after match, with his fingers crossed , hoping for the best, but with no particular game plan or style of play. Brentford are a team of limited players, well coached with each player knowing his role. The important difference is they are a “team” in every respect. Would like to see our players performance under someone like Dean Smith.
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Doesn't say much for the rest of the league then does it?
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Doesn't say much for the rest of the league then does it?
Nope. Which makes the fact we couldn’t get promoted last season surrounded by pretty mediocre clubs, even more unpalatable.
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When we give Brentford a 3/4 nill hiding playing pass and move Football with all the trimmings
the Bruce out thread will have to be changed back to Staying again and all the doubters can shut the fuck up
For 5 minutes
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I hope we beat them 1-0, in the last minute, having had 2% possession and with an offside goal that's come from a Velociraptor's big lump up field, that Bruce has brought on as a sub,with the dinosaur being right footed, but shoe-horned into the left hand side of midfield.
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I hope we have a plan to close down Ryan Woods and stop him from running the game yetafuckingain.
A forlorn hope many might think, but I know that my redeemer liveth, and I have iron in my soul.
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I hope we beat them 1-0, in the last minute, having had 2% possession and with an offside goal that's come from a Velociraptor's big lump up field, that Bruce has brought on as a sub,with the dinosaur being right footed, but shoe-horned into the left hand side of midfield.
More chance of yours happening than mine I feel
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We struggle against any team with a plan.
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Plan? What’s that then, haven’t heard of one of them at Villa for a long time.
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Do you watch them much?
Enough to know they play some decent football and I've seen us often enough to know that we rarely do.
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Aston Villa are winless against Brentford since 1953
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Do you watch them much?
Enough to know they play some decent football and I've seen us often enough to know that we rarely do.
They've been on TV twice since Boxing Day. You catch both those games?
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Do you watch them much?
Enough to know they play some decent football and I've seen us often enough to know that we rarely do.
They've been on TV twice since Boxing Day. You catch both those games?
Brentford shipped a late consolation goal against Rotherham and a comedy goal against Stoke so defensively they have shown concentration and lack of organisation , error prone issues .
Villa score headers and from set players despite our patent lack of creativity and chances created in open play I do feel villa will get chances to score .
Of course Brentford themselves capable of creating chances and maybe better chances from open play than villa tonight .
I take a 2-1 win.
Header from Jedinak and a Mcginn goal.
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Do you watch them much?
Enough to know they play some decent football and I've seen us often enough to know that we rarely do.
They've been on TV twice since Boxing Day. You catch both those games?
Yes. And I watched them at VP the last two seasons, and there's highlights every week. Enough to know they play some decent stuff despite regularly losing their better players.
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They are undoubtedly our new bogey team in league football, the modern day Leicester City.
Why do we struggle so much against them? Just a bad match up in styles as we don't have as bad a record against other passing teams in this division e.g. Wolves last year. Or do we struggle to get up for things as "it's only Brentford." Dean Smith wanting to impress his future employers?
Don't see us winning on Wednesday so that could be 5 matches without a win v them, Wiped the floor against us twice at Griffin Park and should've won comfortably at VP last season.
Are we essentially asking too that a team that plays this philosophy of football and style of play in contrast to the general bruce style causing villa a major headache.
And also specifically Brentford and there style seemingly so far in championship matches have caused villa issues .
Are we looking several factors.
Taking Brentford for granted
Them raising their game performance
Dean Smith extra incentive factors
I do recognise Brentford as a nice footballing side but I feel Villa could (only could) overpower them and have capabilities to do so. For me I can't just say we will lose based on past experiences.
I also like the way Sheffield united play and think wilder like Smith have done a great job. Similarly Howe at Bournemouth.
Anyway to the point I think the struggle tends to then be the lack of ball possession perhaps and obviously lack of scoring and maybe then lack of creating chances
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Do you watch them much?
Enough to know they play some decent football and I've seen us often enough to know that we rarely do.
They've been on TV twice since Boxing Day. You catch both those games?
You took the same dismissive tone with anyone who suggested that Huddersfield looked decent two seasons ago, or that Cardiff could be promotion contenders last season.
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Dismissive? Quite the opposite. I'm clarifying an opinion.
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Well hopefully Ads I've now met your criteria for being allowed to have an opinion on Brentford.
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No, you haven't. Nobody on this site, bar Sexual Ealing, watches them anymore than 90 mimites every six months.
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Despite the draw and the dodgy bit when they got on top of us I think we kind of put this to bed last night, I thought Brentford were spectacularly poor for long periods.
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Despite the draw and the dodgy bit when they got on top of us I think we kind of put this to bed last night, I thought Brentford were spectacularly poor for long periods.
As were we against them.
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Ah?
We tired from 70 minutes on, while they had a good 10 minutes from 75-85. We went ragged and then composed ourselves.
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Yesterday to answer the question and main reason came down to the final ball as should have not only been leading when they scored first but even by half time.
The other reason on this occasion was the defense
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Sorry I'm late on this but generally that was our best performance against them since we've been down here.
However there was one occasion in the second half when they did a simple thing which I wished we'd do.
Guy had throw in by the corner flag, threw it up to the striker on 18 yard line, first time lay off and the throw in guy had continued running so suddenly he was unmarked in the box.
We just about got it away for a corner but simple invention from a throw in that seems beyond us as we just throw it to the nearest standing player.
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That was a case of Green being confused who is marker was. There were two instances of very poor lapses in concentration.
The centre halves out to be screaming directions.
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Maybe but it was simply executed and gave them space in the box.
We should be capable of doing that with Jack able to find space with ease. Too often it's just wait for Hutton to trot over and he throws it to the nearest man.
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I for one was extremely happy to see that our erstwhile tormentor and nemesis Ryan Woods, the Ginger Pirlo, was confined to barracks on the bench prior to his move to Sterk, where he is now having a medical.
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Just looking back for an old thread and stumbled across this.... interesting reads about Smith before we knew he would be coming here both positive and negative !
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a bit of negativity about the defence yes.
Welcome John Terry