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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on August 14, 2018, 09:42:03 PM
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Far from convincing and rode our luck, but Wembley here we come.
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Played badly and beat a lower league team. Well done Spudface.
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Plenty of work to do.
Tough to write off the academy players who came in as no one played with any credit.
To be fair to Bruce good subs in bringing the quality on but another game where there is no defined way of playing.
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Bruce looking Pep-like in his new black Luke attire.
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That's the sort of result that makes rivals sit up and take notice.
Well played the Aston Invincibles.
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It's not glorious at this point in the competition but if we can progress to a semi final place and then who knows, it will pay dividends in terms of form and a boost to our league season.
Still on 100%...
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A win is a win but the kids are not yet alright and our second string seniors are not good enough. We desperately need new players
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I've learned to except that we will never play decent football under Bruce, we just grind down the other team into boredom.
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At least three youngsters had some competitive football and axel looked solid at centre half.
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That'll do pig.
Nice from Kodja for the goal, not much from the kids bar Green's great effort and god knows what to think of the keeper. Connor is always a puzzle, flatters to decieve but keeps popping up with important goals or contributions.
Anyway, three in a row and rolling, churlish to complain.
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I can't remember Whelan's name being mentioned at all in the second half.
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At least three youngsters had some competitive football and axel looked solid at centre half.
The only positive, Axel will be our CH from now on
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Played badly and beat a lower league team. Well done Spudface.
It's certainly an upgrade on our usual "play badly and lose to a lower league team".
It feels like we've played well for 25 minutes in total across three matches and won them all. It feels a bit O'Neill-like.
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When whelan does pass forward it’s always behind the player he is aiming at so they have to stop.
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Not impressed by the performance but nice to see Kodjia contributing and looking as though he’s improving. Tuanzebe and RDL looked okay too.
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Hmmm. A wins a win.
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Why did we sign that keeper and let Steer go out on loan??
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That'll do pig.
Nice from Kodja for the goal, not much from the kids bar Green's great effort and god knows what to think of the keeper. Connor is always a puzzle, flatters to decieve but keeps popping up with important goals or contributions.
Anyway, three in a row and rolling, churlish to complain.
I like.
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I don’t care what anyone says about his first game etc, that goalie of our is a fucking shambles.
Yes, he saved a (poor) pen, but everything else he did was shocking.
He appears straight out of the book of dodgy European goalies who punch when they should catch and shit themselves at any sign of physical contact.
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Bruce does his normal shocked interview.
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I knew we'd make hard work of it but not quite that hard. We were poor until Grealish and Kodjia came on. Still, good to get through. Oh, and that ref was bloody awful.
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Bruce does his normal shocked interview.
How many more times are we going to hear exactly the same thing from him?
It’s all well and good telling us how poor we are, what the fuck is he doing about it?
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Did Bruce nearly let slip that there's one coming on loan then?
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The pen was a bit generous, but their disallowed goal was a shocker of a decision.
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Bruce does his normal shocked interview.
Bruce clearly not happy to be fair. Pretty angry and I sense the kids have lost their chance
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Bruce does his normal shocked interview.
I think hes forgot who the Manager is.
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I'm pleased to see an angry Bruce in the interview. Several just undeserving of a first team shirt, Albert, Green, got to do a lot more. Crap referee. Their Manager grizzling.
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"What did you say to the players". Nothing.
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No mention of the penalty we should have had.
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No mention of the Pen we should have had which balanced up the disallowed goal.
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That keeper should be nowhere near the 1st team for quite a while.
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Home draw against a team I’ve never seen please. Say Fleetwood or Exeter.
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Frustrating night
Keeper looked like he is a walking clanger unconvinced. Tuanzebe grew into the game and played ok.
Eliphick is a backs against the wall defender but when he needs quality distribution he lacks it
Taylor is poor at best. RDL so so
Whelan hourihane Doyle Hayes all did the same pass sideways pass backwards no invention. We need different types of midfielders to complement others
Green and Adomah biggest disappointment really poor for me
Rhm no service struggled
Grealish and kodija bright sparks
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Bruce just buried the young kids
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I don’t care what anyone says about his first game etc, that goalie of our is a fucking shambles.
Yes, he saved a (poor) pen, but everything else he did was shocking.
He appears straight out of the book of dodgy European goalies who punch when they should catch and shit themselves at any sign of physical contact.
Totally agree. He was terrible.
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I didn't see the interview, but if he did he needs fucking off. Especially considering how many bullets he's dodged through his incompetence.
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Biggest positive for me was Kodjia. Looked a lot more like himself. I'm not going to get to downbeat about our second XI. It's pretty obvious our kids aren't good enough, it's been the same for years. Fans clamour to get them in as 'they're the future' but as the Moores, Delfouneso et al have proved there's about ten shit ones to every Gabby, Vassel or Grealish.
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Keeper 10/ 10 for pen save - worryingly shit for everything else
Taylor 2/10 offers nothing going forward or defensively
Tuanzabe 7/ 10 slow start but gained in confidence
Elphick 7/ 10 competent
RDL 7/ 10 competent but nothing offered going forward
Whelan 6 / 10 I've seen milk turn quicker - some abysmal passing at times
Horihanne 3 / 10 the 3 is for the goal. Zero for the rest of his contribution.
Green 5/ 10 other than the great shot he has in his locker cannot see the faith others in him.
JDH 5 / 10 nothing wrong but nothingvstood out either
Adomah 6/ 10 fear we may have seen the best of him.
RUM 5/ 10 hard to make an impression when our 5ft pace forward has it lumped 50 yards to him when marked by a big CH
SUBS
Kodjia 8 / 10 positive contribution and caused them problems.
Grealish 8 / 10 as kodjia
Bree 5/ 10 meh
Bruce 6/10 Subs made at right time but awful shape and lack of method again.
We are through but painful to watch at times in all 3 games so far. Let's however can get some faces in soon
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It's a win.
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Bruce just buried the young kids
<Insert tasteless Myra Hindley related joke of your choice here>
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Not pretty but good to be through. Felt sorry for the young guns in the first half as the old heads didn't set a good example, especially for RHM as the ball was constantly launched high to him and he was up against a giant. Keeper was very dodgy.
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That keeper should be nowhere near the 1st team for quite a while.
I thought the same on Saturday.
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I only saw the last half an hour or so and thought we did all right against opponents who had nothing to lose. Fantastic bit of skill from Kodjia for the goal.
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A 5’7” lone striker/target man vs two +6’ central defenders... you do the math.
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Nice post Hookey. Agree with it all.
Need those loan players in.
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We dodged a potential banana skin, move on.
Apparently we've not won our first 3 matches since "Mercers Minors" in the 60's
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A poor performance and a lucky win. RHM totally isolated so couldn't really offer much. Fantastic from Kodjia for the goal. Jack is so much better than everyone else it's ridiculous. I thought Green tried and was at least the equal of Albert but that's not saying much. Doyle-Hayes didn't look good but it's only one game. Keeper was a bit shaky but I think people are being a bit harsh on him, saved a pen after all. Is standing in front of the keeper at a corner a foul? If not no idea why the goal was disallowed.
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Happy with the win but we rode our luck at times, the substitutions made a big difference and the fringe players didn't do anything to push for a first team start in the next game but at least they will get another chance in the next round.
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Skin of the teeth stuff again, Jimmy looked sharp as did Grealish and Green, I felt sorry for RHM, balls just hoofed up to him, Tuanzebe put himself about and Whelan was OK nothing more. That keeper though, the penalty saved really saved his bacon, bloody shocking throughout.
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Typical cup tie against lower league opposition. A bit of class from Jack and Kodjia was the difference...
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There were some positives to be taken from tonight.
Axel got better as the game went on and Kodj definitely looks on the way back.
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Next.......
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Early days, but so far Steer looks better than Nyland or Moreira.
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Skin of the teeth stuff again, Jimmy looked sharp as did Grealish and Green, I felt sorry for RHM, balls just hoofed up to him, Tuanzebe put himself about and Whelan was OK nothing more. That keeper though, the penalty saved really saved his bacon, bloody shocking throughout.
Bruce seems incapable of setting up a team to get the best out of players like RHM and Hogan but a wins a win. Ipswich here we come.
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Skin of the teeth stuff again, Jimmy looked sharp as did Grealish and Green, I felt sorry for RHM, balls just hoofed up to him, Tuanzebe put himself about and Whelan was OK nothing more. That keeper though, the penalty saved really saved his bacon, bloody shocking throughout.
Bruce seems incapable of setting up a team to get the best out of players like RHM and Hogan.
Maybe they're just not quite up to it?
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Early days, but so far Steer looks better than Nyland or Moreira.
A fortnight ago I never thought we'd be cursing letting Steer go out on loan.
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Skin of the teeth stuff again, Jimmy looked sharp as did Grealish and Green, I felt sorry for RHM, balls just hoofed up to him, Tuanzebe put himself about and Whelan was OK nothing more. That keeper though, the penalty saved really saved his bacon, bloody shocking throughout.
Bruce seems incapable of setting up a team to get the best out of players like RHM and Hogan.
Maybe they're just not quite up to it?
But how can you tell when they get so little of the ball in the right positions?
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Yet again, I'm struggling to work out what exactly it is that Bruce is trying to do.
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How I yearn for our teams to be set up with an attack-minded mentality.Leaving RHM as a lone striker was fucking criminal.
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Bruce post match. The keeper had a great debut.
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11472922/bruce-we-were-lucky
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First half was bad. So so bad
Kids struggled. They need to go on loan. Under 23 football is just too slow and uncompetitive
Only real positives for me were tuanzebe and that little bit of Kodjia magic
Front three all disappointing. We need a couple of really good quality loans in that position
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The talk of getting even more players in...
Do you honestly think it will.change things with Bruce in charge? Regardless of who actually plays there is never a discernable style of play it tactic to get the best out of the 11 on the pitch, so what difference will 1 or 2 more signings make which will cost even more money. Other managers seem able to get far more from far less than Bruce has/had at his disposal.
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Play the kids, get loan players in, sign who you want....it won't make much difference until we start playing decent, positive football....
One up front (poor RHM..all alone being marked by two giants), not a lot of attacking intent vs a 4th Division side...says it all really...
3 wins out of 3 kind of papers over the cracks a bit..if we keep grinding wins out then great...but I have my doubts (putting it mildly).
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I share your frustrations about style of play etc
But will it make a difference? Of course it will. Did snodgrass? Did grabban?
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We dodged a potential banana skin, move on.
Apparently we've not won our first 3 matches since "Mercers Minors" in the 60's
And we have won 3 games with 3 different goalkeepers. I bet that is a first.
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Skin of the teeth stuff again, Jimmy looked sharp as did Grealish and Green, I felt sorry for RHM, balls just hoofed up to him, Tuanzebe put himself about and Whelan was OK nothing more. That keeper though, the penalty saved really saved his bacon, bloody shocking throughout.
Bruce seems incapable of setting up a team to get the best out of players like RHM and Hogan.
Maybe they're just not quite up to it?
But how can you tell when they get so little of the ball in the right positions?
I know what you're saying my friend but they have to make it stick and take the right decisions. There's no shock that we started to fire when Grabban signed for us. He's just a better player. Kodjia did more in the 15 minutes he was on than RHM, Albert and Green did all night.
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I share your frustrations about style of play etc
But will it make a difference? Of course it will. Did snodgrass? Did grabban?
Yes I agree to an extent but you get the drift. It did make a difference, but not enough of one.
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I share your frustrations about style of play etc
But will it make a difference? Of course it will. Did snodgrass? Did grabban?
Well we didn't get promoted so ultimately no...
Yet Cardiff did....
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If he ain’t happy with performances, here’s a radical idea.
Start managing them to play better
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We can't be the only one's to see this surely....? I think he's under a lot of pressure and he knows it...
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I share your frustrations about style of play etc
But will it make a difference? Of course it will. Did snodgrass? Did grabban?
Well we didn't get promoted so ultimately no...
Yet Cardiff did....
We didn't get promoted no, but they absolutely did make a difference. All those goals and assists between them?
Green and Adomah need upgrades, or we can forget promotion this season.
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Not worth getting too worked up about, seeing as we won.
Remember, when we won this cup in 93/94, our first game in the competition was a one-nil win away to some no mark club at a shitty ground. They missed a penalty, too.
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We can't be the only one's to see this surely....? I think he's under a lot of pressure and he knows it...
He is under pressure to get us up due to the size and expectations of the club and the fact it is now his third attempt at doing so. Add to that the fact that we have new owners who stuck with him probably due to the timing of the takeover more than anything else and he knows he has to deliver. But to be fair three wins from the first three games given the turmoil of the summer and late transfer business is impressive.
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Skin of the teeth stuff again, Jimmy looked sharp as did Grealish and Green, I felt sorry for RHM, balls just hoofed up to him, Tuanzebe put himself about and Whelan was OK nothing more. That keeper though, the penalty saved really saved his bacon, bloody shocking throughout.
Bruce seems incapable of setting up a team to get the best out of players like RHM and Hogan.
Maybe they're just not quite up to it?
But how can you tell when they get so little of the ball in the right positions?
I know what you're saying my friend but they have to make it stick and take the right decisions. There's no shock that we started to fire when Grabban signed for us. He's just a better player. Kodjia did more in the 15 minutes he was on than RHM, Albert and Green did all night.
I just think your being a bit harsh on RHM. Make it stick and take the right decisions? From what I saw tonight nearly every time he got a ball played into him it was with his back to goal with two huge defenders on his case! He needs the ball into spaces where he can turn these goons and get into dangerous positions on the ball. Did it come as a shock to our coaching staff that they would be so big and physical at the back? There's still no discernable style of play aimed at dealing with it. RHM will have had his confidence knocked tonight along with his ribs back and head.
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Early days, but so far Steer looks better than Nyland or Moreira.
A fortnight ago I never thought we'd be cursing letting Steer go out on loan.
Where has Steer gone and can we get him back quick?
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Play the kids, get loan players in, sign who you want....it won't make much difference until we start playing decent, positive football....
One up front (poor RHM..all alone being marked by two giants), not a lot of attacking intent vs a 4th Division side...says it all really...
3 wins out of 3 kind of papers over the cracks a bit..if we keep grinding wins out then great...but I have my doubts (putting it mildly).
Last season we did well when individual players turned in good performances. In the absence of good team play/tactics, the more players we have capable of doing that the better.
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1st half embarassing at times, improved when Kodj and Jack came. Got lucky with the disallowed goal, but we should have had a pen.
First time since 1962, 3 wins on the bounce, gotta be looking at 3 points on Saturday against Ipswich, who lost on pens to Exeter. Let's hope Kodj continues his improvement, we need him badly to find his top form.
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Pretty awful for the majority of that game to be honest. I do think that a lot of Championship and Premier League sides come unstuck in the early rounds of this competition because they make wholesale changes from their starting XI and throw together teams full of players who have hardly featured in the early stages of the season. They then often come up against outfits from the lower leagues who field their first choice side that have played together for a number of weeks and are fairly settled.
That said, that doesn't excuse some of the dross we saw tonight. I'm not going to mention the goalkeeper, as after seeing what happened on Saturday and then tonight, I don't really know what has gone on there. If you are going to play young players, at least play them in an environment that is going to suit them. I've only seen a bit of Doyle-Hayes, but from what I have seen it is clear that he is not an attacking midfielder and playing him and Whelan in the same midfield isn't going to work. Similarly, playing Hepburn-Murphy up front on his own against two monster centre halves isn't really helping the kid either. For Bruce to come out after the game and point the finger at them was a bit poor really and I wonder if he was trying to make a point.
Positives for me were Grealish's cameo when he came on and Bruce was obviously looking at Tuanzebe at left centre half and he did OK there.
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Another typical Bruce performance, looked unprepared, rode our luck at times and snuck the win with a bit of extra quality. Just like we did at times last year and the year before we look like we could fall apart any time and go on a long winless run.
What boils my piss though is him picking out the kids and the 'real' football comment. Chycking a bunch of youngsters under the bus when people like Whelan, Elphick and Taylor put in shit performances is just a cunty thing to do.
Yet again though these type of comments are coming in the window, he does it every time, we play like we're not coached and he gets all angry about the poor options he has. It's something he's done everywhere he's been to put pressure on the board for signings.
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Moreira kept a clean sheet and saved a penalty. I’m not clear about why he’s getting a lot of criticism because it’s not as if there were loads of goals being knocked in at the other end. There’s not a lot more you can ask of a goalkeeper!
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A win is a win but that performance was tripe until Jack & Kodjia came on.
Hourihane, whilst can’t fault his goals record, contributes so so little around the pitch tho, just chases round 2 yards after the ball or fouls.
Adomah, has been poor since Xmas for me, again pops up with a few goals & dances well but he is so slow & should be a squad player at best.
Always think 433 (is that what we were trying to play) is a bit of a wishy washy system - defensive first, Adomah and Green permanently seemed welded to cover our full backs rather than get up and around RHM, makes the aimless hoof ball forward so easy to defend when only one up field.
Good to see Axel get 90 mins at CH but did I hear the commentator say Bruce was going to use him at LB? If that is so then CB on loan has to happen.
Both keepers have looked iffy thus far however hopefully they’ll grow into the team with a bit of patience and games.
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Moreira kept a clean sheet and saved a penalty. I’m not clear about why he’s getting a lot of criticism because it’s not as if there were loads of goals being knocked in at the other end. There’s not a lot more you can ask of a goalkeeper!
He flapped at just about everything. So i'm going to rename him Flappy McFlapface.
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Just home. I think at best I’d call that a professional job. Haven’t seen any replays of incidents yet so won’t comment but until Jack & Kodjia came on all I could see was penalties. Oh well, we’re in the hat and the M5 is behind me. Let’s hope it’s not Plymouth away next...!
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Play the kids, get loan players in, sign who you want....it won't make much difference until we start playing decent, positive football....
One up front (poor RHM..all alone being marked by two giants), not a lot of attacking intent vs a 4th Division side...says it all really...
3 wins out of 3 kind of papers over the cracks a bit..if we keep grinding wins out then great...but I have my doubts (putting it mildly).
Last season we did well when individual players turned in good performances. In the absence of good team play/tactics, the more players we have capable of doing that the better.
Yes, we just rely on individual players to produce a bit of magic to win us games, absolutely no team structure at all!
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Sky highlights (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/carabao-cup/11472902/yeovil-0-1-aston-villa)
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Only saw second half but main positive was that we got minutes into a number of players that needed it and dug out the win. That keeper looked a car crash and surely Nyland needed the game in any case.
Biggest disappointment was Green to be honest. Bar one shot that he pulled wide, he was far too passive in his play. Adamoah wasn't much better but I wouldn't worry too much about him. We really need Green to kick on this season. Disappointing that it didn't go well for JDH and RHM. Honestly think both would be a lot better served by a loan spell at the likes of Yeovil. Green too has precious little adult football played, u23 is a waste of time.
Thought RDL looked solid but we have far too many RB options. Hourihane involved in our best attacking play with set pieces and a fine through ball to Adamoah I think. Scored again of course. Hopefully assist will improve Kodjia' s confidence. Grealish on a different planet to all our other players.
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We can't be the only one's to see this surely....? I think he's under a lot of pressure and he knows it...
Yeah but it will be solved by the loans coming in.
Personally, he may be very busy what with taking care of the loans etc but he has to ask wtf his backroom team do at Bodymoor Heath every day. To blame the players for being unprepared is just passing the buck. Shape up or ship out.
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Kodja saved our blushes there.
Ace kit.
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Turgid is my description, play the kids? well there was two that were given their chance and neither took it, RHM had one clear chance and muffed it apart from that nothing they did convinced me they were ready to step up. Grealish when he came on lifted the quality of the play but like many Bruce doesn't convince me one iota that he has any kind of game plan or strategy.
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Sky highlights (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/carabao-cup/11472902/yeovil-0-1-aston-villa)
Bruce OS interview https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1029472136212168704
Bruce Sky interview (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/carabao-cup/11472922/bruce-we-were-lucky)
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3rd season in the job and it honestly looks like they have not been coached. I have no idea what our style of football is other than keep it tight get it wide and hope someone produces a bit of magic or we score from a set piece. There is such a lack of movement in the final third and you very rarely see us commit men forward in numbers to give defenders something to think about. I would love to mark our center forwards.
To give RHM his full debut and leave him so isolated with zero support is just criminal and does the kid no favors whatsoever. The worst thing is Bruce could not give a toss about this competition so send out an attacking team with a brief to enjoy their football and entertain the supporters but one up top to a bottom tier club is just pathetic.
If I had just spent millions buying the club I would be wanting us to play attractive football and given the players we have its not a lot to ask. If he has a bad run he will be gone by the end of October because the owners will soon tire of this crap.
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That was a struggle to watch.
Fucking hell, what on earth are Bruce and the coaching team doing in training?
Only Grealish, Kodjia and Axel looked like footballers, and I put that down to natural ability. Bruce's treatment of some of the youngsters has been shocking. No game plan, no playing to strengths. Crap man management.
As for the rest, jesus. Taylor, Elphick, Whelen, Hourihane....utterly dreadful. I know Conor popped up with a goal, but he looked like a poor footballer last night.
Bruce looked even more purple than usual post match. I think he knows that he won't be in a job if that's what he serves up week in ,week out.
And rightfully so. I'm sick to death of watching his idea of football. Yes, he gets results, but we can have good football and results, too.
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Amen Axl. Obviously didn’t see it but know and feel the pain. Bruce really is a colour by numbers painter.
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Amen Axl. Obviously didn’t see it but know and feel the pain. Bruce really is a colour by numbers painter.
Haha. A win is a win and all that, but it isn't much fun watching us.
Like I said, I think players like Grealish and Kodjia are just naturally talented, and they do what they want to, to an extent.
Other players need more guidance, coaching and instruction. A lot of our team looked lost, and not for the first time, may I add. The ball isn't a hot potato, and I wish out defenders would stop the aimless hoofing. That's last resort football.
We'll see soon when Brentford come to Villa Park, how comfortable their players are on the ball. Alot of that has been coached into them.
It was a pleasure to watch Grealish and McGinn on the weekend, seeing them passing and moving, interchanging play. Every player should be able to do that.
I'm fed up of Bruce and his way of football. It's so unenjoyable, and that's the bottom line for me.
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Moreira kept a clean sheet and saved a penalty. I’m not clear about why he’s getting a lot of criticism because it’s not as if there were loads of goals being knocked in at the other end. There’s not a lot more you can ask of a goalkeeper!
You can ask him to be brave. To come and collect the ball. And to generate an air of calm
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How can such an attacking formation be so mind numbingly defensive? Based on last night, None of that starting XI deserve to start against Ipswich, including Adomah & Green.
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I agree - except maybe tuanzebe
Problem is - who plays wide? Elmo and AN other?
Hopefully we get a couple of loanees soon.
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come on in Brendan
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come on in Brendan
That'd be great.
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Thoght the same thing this morning.
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Moreira kept a clean sheet and saved a penalty. I’m not clear about why he’s getting a lot of criticism because it’s not as if there were loads of goals being knocked in at the other end. There’s not a lot more you can ask of a goalkeeper!
He flapped at just about everything. So i'm going to rename him Flappy McFlapface.
Yes, let's get on the back of both keepers, as they have had the whole of 1 match each! Because as a keeper, you don't need confidence, but ridiculed into performing better.
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As debuts go, his was better than the Norse god's i thought.
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Moreira kept a clean sheet and saved a penalty. I’m not clear about why he’s getting a lot of criticism because it’s not as if there were loads of goals being knocked in at the other end. There’s not a lot more you can ask of a goalkeeper!
It is too soon to judge him one way or the other for me. De Gea looked like a calamity waiting to happen in his first season at United, especially in his first few months. Even for a big guy he had to adapt to the physical nature of the game in England.
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come on in Brendan
That'd be great.
Maybe that’s why we signed McGinn!
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It’s clearly tough for Bruce. This time last season if he’d of made this start the mass hysteria comments would be rolled out - as it is having met the owners it must know he won’t be able to get away with it this year.
His comments about the academy players who started, real football is so disingenuous. If he really feels that way he’s had 2 years to rectify; either loan them out or play them. The fact that’s he’s loaned in academy players from other clubs just adds insult to injury. Yes they may have been poor tonight; but they were just as poor as many of Bruce’s tried and trusted signings.
We all knew he was limited and his approach was to churn players and hope something sticks. He found it last season with the 7 win run then exposed his limitations by picking the same team week in week out when many of them were clearly out of form or in need of a rest.
My views on him haven’t changed and even if he does somehow manage to get promotion this year I wouldn’t be trusting him in the top flight again. After 2 years there is no Plan A, B or Z. It’s let’s hope for a bit of quality from someone. Look at the difference in Leeds after one pre season and selling arguably their best player.
Our coaches clearly don’t do much but Gary Walsh is going to be busy this year as well.
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Moreira kept a clean sheet and saved a penalty. I’m not clear about why he’s getting a lot of criticism because it’s not as if there were loads of goals being knocked in at the other end. There’s not a lot more you can ask of a goalkeeper!
He flapped at just about everything. So i'm going to rename him Flappy McFlapface.
We've had Flabby Aintgonnascore, I hope we haven't got Flappy Moreerrors now.
That said, without having seen the game, I''m with Louise: a clean sheet and a penalty saved is what the records will show.
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Well done Conor on another well taken goal. Your goals are going to be crucial again over course of season. For Yeovil away read Peterborough at home where it could be said Bruce set the team/players up to fail, without any clear coaching, tactics or plan or at least none tthey're used to. As for Bruce it's all been said before over last 2 seasons. Players get criticised but under a different manager that understands them, they may start to show the kind of form they are capable of. For me especially with Bruce in charge I would blame him first before blaming the players, some of whom because of their inexperience are looking for guidance when none is available from Bruce or his coaching team.
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Poor performance, but job jobbed.
We must have more effort off the ball against Ipswich to go with a lot more defensive organisation.
Thought we struggled with how big and committed they were, as we played at far too slow a pace.
Good goal mind.
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Thoght the same thing this morning.
Yeah I wondered too. Would he come?
A problem w the championship is that games come so thick and fast that coaching in mid season is tough
Might be one to watch tho.
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There isn't a vacancy so I wouldn't worry about Brendan "I've got some envelopes" Rogers.
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No not at the moment
I really don't think Bruce is the man for the long term. There's still no discernible pattern of play, too often
But ironically in the short term I think best to stick with him and it is possible he'll get us promoted. Although I'd note that the last six sides to go up all had a very distinctive style.
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Re: Moreira; you're on a hiding to nothing coming-in to a game like that as a young keeper. My take on it is that if Sarkic had played and kept a clean-sheet and saved a penalty, we'd all be heralding him as the next David De Gea. Moreira is only 18 months older than Sarkic.
He'll gain a lot of confidence from last night, as well as a better understanding with his teammates. I fully expect to him improve from here - exactly as Sam Johnstone did.
Let's also remember, that he's coming-in to be a 2nd choice keeper for a Championship side. Not quite sure what standard some people were expecting him to be at...
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Re: Moreira; you're on a hiding to nothing coming-in to a game like that as a young keeper. My take on it is that if Sarkic had played and kept a clean-sheet and save a penalty, we'd all be heralding him as the next David De Gea. Moreira is only 18 months older than Sarkic.
He'll gain a lot of confidence from last night, as well as a better understanding with his teammates. I fully expect to him improve from here - exactly as Sam Johnstone did.
Let's not also remember, that he's coming-in to be a 2nd choice keeper for a Championship side. Not quite sure what standard some people were expecting him to be at...
Agreed.
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Re: Moreira; you're on a hiding to nothing coming-in to a game like that as a young keeper. My take on it is that if Sarkic had played and kept a clean-sheet and save a penalty, we'd all be heralding him as the next David De Gea. Moreira is only 18 months older than Sarkic.
He'll gain a lot of confidence from last night, as well as a better understanding with his teammates. I fully expect to him improve from here - exactly as Sam Johnstone did.
Let's not also remember, that he's coming-in to be a 2nd choice keeper for a Championship side. Not quite sure what standard some people were expecting him to be at...
Better than Jed steer?
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Re: Moreira; you're on a hiding to nothing coming-in to a game like that as a young keeper. My take on it is that if Sarkic had played and kept a clean-sheet and save a penalty, we'd all be heralding him as the next David De Gea. Moreira is only 18 months older than Sarkic.
He'll gain a lot of confidence from last night, as well as a better understanding with his teammates. I fully expect to him improve from here - exactly as Sam Johnstone did.
Let's not also remember, that he's coming-in to be a 2nd choice keeper for a Championship side. Not quite sure what standard some people were expecting him to be at...
Better than Jed steer?
I saw nothing conclusive last night to suggest that he isn't. There was certainly nothing akin to Steer's calamitous error in Dresden just a few weeks ago.
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All sounds depressingly familiar. Despite three wins I really don't and can't feel positve about us. Because of our negativity, lack of tempo and movement, obvious lack of coaching and discernable style, and ultimately dependence on one or two individual players pulling something out of the bag, it's surely only a question of time before Bruce's luck runs out and the wheels fall off. Again. I hope that if (when) it does, this time he'll be seen for the charlatan that he is.
For those saying the youngsters aren't up to it and need loaning out. Bollocks. Both RHM and Green have looked decent enough when playing together with the main first choice players and in appropriate positions. e.g. they looked more effective when replacing Kodija and Adomah at Hull. I'd bet some of the the others would look a lot better too if introduced in proper games gradually. Or at least no worse than Odomah or Tuanzebe have looked in some of their games. But Bruce is too negative and cautious to do that, they don't even make the bench for most games so they cant even be given a run out if we happen to be four goals up. Plus it would leave him no-one to chuck under the bus in games like this. Should we also loan out players like Whelan and Taylor who look equally shite in games like this? It's a thrown together team with square pegs in round holes and the youngsters are expected to show they are the next Grealish? I don't think so. A proper manager would develop them and coach them so they are ready and give them some genuine chances to prove it.
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Re: Moreira; you're on a hiding to nothing coming-in to a game like that as a young keeper. My take on it is that if Sarkic had played and kept a clean-sheet and save a penalty, we'd all be heralding him as the next David De Gea. Moreira is only 18 months older than Sarkic.
He'll gain a lot of confidence from last night, as well as a better understanding with his teammates. I fully expect to him improve from here - exactly as Sam Johnstone did.
Let's not also remember, that he's coming-in to be a 2nd choice keeper for a Championship side. Not quite sure what standard some people were expecting him to be at...
Better than Jed steer?
I saw nothing conclusive last night to suggest that he isn't. There was certainly nothing akin to Steer's calamitous error in Dresden just a few weeks ago.
Plus, the thing with Steer is after the best part of two years out, he needs games. I don't think any of us would want those games to be as our no. 1 at the moment, so yes we could keep him as back up, but that would be no good to him as he needs games. So a loan out and a year injury free hopefully, with this guy on loan will give us a year to see if he is going to be truly good enough for us going forward. Makes sense to me!
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Couldn't have put it better KT.
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Yes KT well put !
And to add beating teams by default till found out against any who put in chances or a half decent. Kinda like england NT though England seemingly progressive.
The villa under brucey seem stagnant. The performance is in part his responsibility and his coaching team .
I could hear him bellowing from the touch line though may be those who are there or have been villa park have heard his instructions as just heard him shout names really.
Anyway next round draw is on Thurs
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What kt said.
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3 wins but far from convincing.
A game away from a defeat. That’s SB.
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A game away from a defeat. That’s SB.
.....every manager and team.
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A game away from a defeat. That’s SB.
.....every manager and team.
Beat me to it.
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Yes but you would not put money on a Bruce team going 15+ unbeaten. So not every manager....our man has form.
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Of course, but for many it doesn't feel like 1 defeat could easily lead to a bad run, with Bruce it always does, because it often has.
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What Legion said.
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What Legion said.
Ouch?
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Yes but you would not put money on a Bruce team going 15+ unbeaten. So not every manager....our man has form.
I wouldn't put money on any team going 15+ games unbeaten to be honest.
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Yes but you would not put money on a Bruce team going 15+ unbeaten. So not every manager....our man has form.
I wouldn't put money on any team going 15+ games unbeaten to be honest.
Quite.
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Fulham did it last season (23 actually). It's not common but if you have a habit of leading teams through 6-7 game winless streaks then you need to balance it out with long unbeaten runs. Lets not forget it was a run of wins last season that got us even involved in the race for the automatic spots, we had been clinging to the lower play off places before that run of 7 wins around the turn of the year.
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Fulham might have done it but I wouldn't have walked into a bookies and backed them to do it.
It's not been convincing but it's a start we all would have took.
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3 wins but far from convincing.
A game away from a defeat. That’s SB.
I am not a Bruce fan - I watched the game last night and thought we were awful.
However, having won all three matches we've played this season, pointing out that he might lose the next match seems somewhat harsh on the post match thread to our latest win.
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Fulham might have done it but I wouldn't have walked into a bookies and backed them to do it.
It's not been convincing but it's a start we all would have took.
No maybe not, but I'd put something on Villa going 5 without a win at some point this season (so long as Bruce is still here) because he's done that over and over again for his entire career.
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I don't suppose it's done those four promotions to his name any harm though.
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3 wins but far from convincing.
A game away from a defeat. That’s SB.
Morning sunshine! Bloody hell
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At least three youngsters had some competitive football and axel looked solid at centre half.
The only positive, Axel will be our CH from now on
Not sure Bruce will agree, he got form for making unnecessary changes
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come on in Brendan
Not for me, an improvement on Bruce, but he's too comfortable in Scotland with Celtic who when they play a decent side his team cant beat them and all he does is complain because he hasn't been allowed to buy new players, when th squad he has is more than adequate for their league
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Fulham might have done it but I wouldn't have walked into a bookies and backed them to do it.
It's not been convincing but it's a start we all would have took.
No maybe not, but I'd put something on Villa going 5 without a win at some point this season (so long as Bruce is still here) because he's done that over and over again for his entire career.
How much?
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I don't suppose it's done those four promotions to his name any harm though.
Nope, but it's also not helped him avoid getting teams into relegation battles once they've been promoted. The difference with my original point is I can point to examples since he's been at the club. Lets not forget that in his first season he survived a run that was worse than the one from RDM that got him the job.
A few people on here pointed out how harmful our start last season was and we got similar "he's got teams promoted in the past, give him time" comments, at some point people need to stop falling back on that because it really doesn't matter. I sometimes refer to similarities between his time with us and his time with Sunderland but that's far from the same thing.
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Fulham might have done it but I wouldn't have walked into a bookies and backed them to do it.
It's not been convincing but it's a start we all would have took.
No maybe not, but I'd put something on Villa going 5 without a win at some point this season (so long as Bruce is still here) because he's done that over and over again for his entire career.
How much?
Why does that matter?
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did anyone smell that awful smell? like sweaty arse crack?
Its a good job Grealish didn't leave as we would be playing every game like this.
I suspected it would be like this I remember luton last season. Just shows the B team isn't strong. you can get away with throwing a one or two in but a whole side is going to play like that.
we looked for balls down the channels for rushian but it just didn't come off. soon we were just lumping it forward to him.
Tuanzebe looked far from composed I thought he was really poor, same for the keeper however his penalty save was crucial. Grealish and Kodja changed the game. We are in the hat and thats all that matters. I'm sure if Bruce wasn't bothered about the cup he would have left them both on the bench.
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did anyone smell that awful smell? like sweaty arse crack?
Sorry about that. I blame the ham & eggs and local bitter in the Masons Arms, Lower Odcombe.
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Eggs and Gammon, poor old Rhiannon, Des had wind.
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Eggs and Gammon, poor old Rhiannon, Des had wind.
Oooooooooof!! All the way up the A1111
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The treble is still on.
Impressed by Axel...I hope Bruce as too and keeps him there
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Fulham might have done it but I wouldn't have walked into a bookies and backed them to do it.
It's not been convincing but it's a start we all would have took.
No maybe not, but I'd put something on Villa going 5 without a win at some point this season (so long as Bruce is still here) because he's done that over and over again for his entire career.
How much?
Why does that matter?
Because I'm interested to know how strong your conviction is.
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Fulham might have done it but I wouldn't have walked into a bookies and backed them to do it.
It's not been convincing but it's a start we all would have took.
No maybe not, but I'd put something on Villa going 5 without a win at some point this season (so long as Bruce is still here) because he's done that over and over again for his entire career.
How much?
Why does that matter?
Because I'm interested to know how strong your conviction is.
The most I've ever placed on a bet is £10 and I'd happily put the same on this, I'm not much of a gambler, take from that what you will. I still don't think it matters but for what it's worth I had the same as a private bet of 2 beers with a friend who was convinced Bruce would get us promoted last year and I 'won' over Christmas.
As I said, winless runs are something that has followed him his entire management career so he'd be breaking a 20 year trend t not have one this year, I doubt a bookie would give much of a price for it.
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We're on a winning run at the moment, so perhaps we should all cheer the fuck up.
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We're on a winning run at the moment, so perhaps we should all cheer the fuck up.
Amen.
Christ knows what it will be like if we lose a few.
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We're on a winning run at the moment, so perhaps we should all cheer the fuck up.
Amen.
Christ knows what it will be like if we lose a few.
Painful.
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We're on a winning run at the moment, so perhaps we should all cheer the fuck up.
Amen.
Christ knows what it will be like if we lose a few.
I’m deleting the internet when we do lose a game, wish we were Leeds who have won their first two matches and are still in the whatever it’s called these days cup. Lucky bastards.
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We're on a winning run at the moment, so perhaps we should all cheer the fuck up.
Amen.
Christ knows what it will be like if we lose a few.
We shall never know, because we are the greatest :-)
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We cannot expect to go anywhere with a scratch side and dominate any side in any of the top four leagues. We didn't play well and Bruce said so himself. Yet we still won the game. I would prefer to play a lot better and win the game by more, obviously, and I'd like to play more expansive football. We don't, but we are still winning and since the turn of the year have been a lot better. We do need those additional loans in though.
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We should be able to go to a 4th division side that hadn't won for 10 games and dominate regardless of the side we put out imo.
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We should be able to go to a 4th division side that hadn't won for 10 games and dominate regardless of the side we put out imo.
I know what you mean but we still have some players who simply aren't quite good enough. Taylor, Elphick, Whelan (who was ok last night tbf), Green, Albert and RHM. Moreirs was pants too.
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We're on a winning run at the moment, so perhaps we should all cheer the fuck up.
Who’s not cheerful? Nothing wrong with being critical at the right time and despite the “winning run” we are awful.
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What Legion said.
Ouch?
What KT said.