Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: frank black on August 12, 2018, 03:58:49 PM
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It’s been reported that Bruce has asked the board to payoff Ross McCormack and Richards.
How do we all stand on giving them their money up front, denting our FFP (assuming it does?) and allowing them to bog off to MLS or Australia.
I am not sure either way and I can see the benefits of not having them around, but the idea of them being able to double up on earnings does grate.
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I would guess we would try to do a deal and pay them a percentage of the rest of their contracts and allow them to be free to move elsewhere and get a signing on fee. The problem would be that they and their agents would know it is highly unlikely anyone else would pay them what we are currently paying them. Also the likes of Richards might struggle to find another club full stop.
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Can’t see point in paying off McCormack, make him available for loan & someone somewhere will take him if the deal is right, Melbourne must have paid a % of his salary so would imagine other A League sides would be interested - Richards is a different matter, there is no market anywhere I’d imagine.
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Oh I don't know, I heard a rumour Burger King are hiring.
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Why can't he pick them for the league cup, can you have an overaged player in the under 23s? Make their lives difficult, pick them but don't play them. Make them travel to every game, make them come to Villa Park for every game. Make it uncomfortable...
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Oh I don't know, I heard a rumour Burger King are hiring.
I think, even they have standards.
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For players burning to resume their playing career striking some sort of deal would be an option.
For that pair, I'm sure they'd be quite happy to sit it out on big contracts.
McCormack even alluded to as much in an interview he gave when at Melbourne.
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https://www.footballtransfertavern.com/championship/aston-villa/steve-bruce-urges-aston-villa-to-release-mccormack-and-richards/
If true get rid now. Not more cancer on the club
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I really do wish people would not use the c word In this context.
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I really do wish people would not use the c word In this context.
I agree.
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I really do wish people would not use the c word In this context.
I agree.
Why ever not?!? It’s meaning is “a disease caused by an uncontrolled division of abnormal cells in a part of the body” is which is exactly what they are!
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Because it can be upsetting for those affected by the disease, obviously. There are hundreds of perfectly good words you can use instead. Why use one which might upset someone? What's the point?
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I really do wish people would not use the c word In this context.
I agree.
Why ever not?!? It’s meaning is “a disease caused by an uncontrolled division of abnormal cells in a part of the body” is which is exactly what they are!
They aren't, and as cd said, it's an emotive word that's used far too often in a trivial context.
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Conversely, there are those who have not only lost loved ones but are survivors ourselves and who think that this usage is highly apposite.
As a member of both shitty camps I'm perhaps somewhat desensitised, but I think that where Messrs McCormack and Richards are concerned it's fair game.
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But would agree that there is no point in upsetting people unnecessarily. For all the occasional disagreements on here, we are all brothers and sisters under the skin and Claret and Blue over it.
Peace.
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Ok fair enough I meant no offence to others but it is how strongly I feel about these pair of robbers. Can I use robbers?
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Should have talked to mc and set him up to play, there is a player somewhere in the guy...
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Why can't he pick them for the league cup, can you have an overaged player in the under 23s? Make their lives difficult, pick them but don't play them. Make them travel to every game, make them come to Villa Park for every game. Make it uncomfortable...
Yep, plus loads of fitness training. They are far too comfy and don’t seem to feel any pressure to do what they are being so richly paid for.
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If it was this easy would have happened by now
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The McCormack situation is an odd one as far as I am concerned. A proven goalscorer at this level with an attitude problem and an intransigent manager. I don't know the politics behind their falling out apart from the gate episode. Has there been any proper dialogue between the two of them does anyone know?
If I was manager I would be moving hell and high water to do whatever I could to get his head right and re-integrate him into the system. He could be a valuable asset. It makes no difference if they hate the sight of each other as long as they're working together for the greater good which is Aston Villa.
Look at the relationship between Tony Morley and Ron Saunders, didn't stop Sir Ron from picking him and taking him to other clubs' he managed, admitted Morley didn't have an attitude problem as such. I spent most of my working life hating over half the bastards I worked with but always got on with it and I've worked for some proper arseholes.
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I have a bad feeling that McCormack is destined to score a crucial goal if ever we play against him.
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The McCormack situation is an odd one as far as I am concerned. A proven goalscorer at this level with an attitude problem and an intransigent manager. I don't know the politics behind their falling out apart from the gate episode. Has there been any proper dialogue between the two of them does anyone know?
If I was manager I would be moving hell and high water to do whatever I could to get his head right and re-integrate him into the system. He could be a valuable asset. It makes no difference if they hate the sight of each other as long as they're working together for the greater good which is Aston Villa.
Look at the relationship between Tony Morley and Ron Saunders, didn't stop Sir Ron from picking him and taking him to other clubs' he managed, admitted Morley didn't have an attitude problem as such. I spent most of my working life hating over half the bastards I worked with but always got on with it and I've worked for some proper arseholes.
Always remember Teddy Sheringham and Andy Cole hated each other too and never spoke off the pitch. They did alright.
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If SB says get rid, then after 2 years, fair enough.
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I'm all for this.
Pay them off, minus one weeks salary.
AVFC continue to hold the registration of the player, so that the player cannot sign for another club.
Sets a precedent though.
Player X signs for Villa for three years on £30,000 per week = lots.
Then thinks that he'll Bank the £4.5 million due to injury/addiction to whatever and/or questionable attitude.
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The McCormack situation is an odd one as far as I am concerned. A proven goalscorer at this level with an attitude problem and an intransigent manager. I don't know the politics behind their falling out apart from the gate episode. Has there been any proper dialogue between the two of them does anyone know?
If I was manager I would be moving hell and high water to do whatever I could to get his head right and re-integrate him into the system. He could be a valuable asset. It makes no difference if they hate the sight of each other as long as they're working together for the greater good which is Aston Villa.
Look at the relationship between Tony Morley and Ron Saunders, didn't stop Sir Ron from picking him and taking him to other clubs' he managed, admitted Morley didn't have an attitude problem as such. I spent most of my working life hating over half the bastards I worked with but always got on with it and I've worked for some proper arseholes.
Bruce seems like a very reasonable guy to me and not a spiteful manager. If he sees fit to freeze somebody out I suspect that person deserves it.
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Ok fair enough I meant no offence to others but it is how strongly I feel about these pair of robbers. Can I use robbers?
Yes, you may call them thieves if you must, but not gypsies or tramps. Cher would be turning in her grave if she had the decency to get buried. I blame Sunny Bono.
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Ok fair enough I meant no offence to others but it is how strongly I feel about these pair of robbers. Can I use robbers?
You could try and grow up.
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The benefit to the club would be huge, as there attitude is what must be most galling for the Manager and his coaching team, we spent last season building up a attitude through the club that went along way, but had some very very strong characters here, that would not let the two toss pots ruin that, I fear that is not the case this year.
If they can not be paid off, put them on gardening leave until the end of their contract, Fat Mac wont want to hang around here or back home in Scotland as he has crossed to many of the wrong sort of peoples path, to often.
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Richards is a waste of space, oxygen and time. McCormack might be reconciled by a different manager. We should hang on to him and see how Bruce gets on this season.
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Ok fair enough I meant no offence to others but it is how strongly I feel about these pair of robbers. Can I use robbers?
You could try and grow up.
Baiting is equally childish
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cant see it happening in McCormack's case. Even allowing him on loan for the remainder of his contract would make more financial sense. Beside in a team that suits his style of play he'll do well and Bruce would look a right chump if he ends up firing a rival into the premiership while we are stuck with a misfiring Kodjia
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I personally think we should honour their contracts. Micah Richards is clearly injured as a healthy fit Richards would walk into the team. If he is deliberately unfit then he would be fired. As for McCormack if every player that fell out with a manager got fired there would be a lot of free transfers.
We cannot on one hand expect players to honour contracts and not sign for other clubs, like say Spurs for example, and not pay injured/ out of favour players.
If we settle their contracts to get them out the club then fair comment, but I think that only applies to Richards.
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One paid off, one to go. But surely we shouldn’t be paying off McCormack
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Do these help ffp? Perhaps writing off nominal transfer value?
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All i've seen is one Villa site saying Richards has been paid off. I'll hold off celebrating until it's confirmed properly. Here's hoping though.
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McCormack isn't liked in the dressing room. No point in trying to rehabilitate him as it's too far gone. He won't apologise either so why the hell give him a chance.
Richards is different, he's just not up to it any more but not enough to finish him career-wise.
Get rid of both.
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But surely we shouldn’t be paying off McCormack
How else are we going to get the useless arse out the club ?
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Richards is or was on £35k a week, if he has been paid off I trust it'll be compromise agreement style ie here's our offer, we'll negotiate around the edges but basically fuck off and not a fully paid up to contract end arrangement.
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Mcormack is a different case. Sunderland-Glasgow Rangers are interested in him. So why just pay him off and then he goes and has a career with another team after paying ridiculous money for him ….
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But surely we shouldn’t be paying off McCormack
How else are we going to get the useless arse out the club ?
Plenty will want his goals but not his wages
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But surely we shouldn’t be paying off McCormack
How else are we going to get the useless arse out the club ?
Richards is or was on £35k a week, if he has been paid off I trust it'll be compromise agreement style ie here's our offer, we'll negotiate around the edges but basically fuck off and not a fully paid up to contract end arrangement.
Richards is on nearly twice as much as Jack!! How must he feel about that? Get rid of Richards and McCormack ASAP! Jack deserves a new bumper contract....
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Can't the club get Richards involved in the coaching staff, even if it's coaching some under 9s team in Sutton Coldfield? At least get him doing something for his money.
Possibly likewise for McCormack if he can't be either loaned out, sold on, or reintegrated.
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I think we should try to see if McCormack and Hogan can play together upfront in upcoming league cup game.
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Can't the club get Richards involved in the coaching staff, even if it's coaching some under 9s team in Sutton Coldfield? At least get him doing something for his money.
Possibly likewise for McCormack if he can't be either loaned out, sold on, or reintegrated.
I'd say we could get them helping out with the catering but they'd only eat all the profits.
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I’d have him painting the lines in the car park.