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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2018, 04:58:19 PM
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We're gonna win the league!
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Two massive come back wins in a row. Lots to improve but 6 from 6 is a superb start.
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McGinn was excellent .. hes gonna be a legend
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Never in doubt
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Well I predicted 2-2 so fantastic to win that. Wigan could be outsiders for top 6 as they have goals in them this season.
Need to remember how we started last season so 6 points from first 2 is excellent. We obviously need a striker and at least one more defender though.
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A win and a side bet of £2 a 9-2 Vila win and both to score.
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You little fucking beauties.
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McGinn looked very good, Kod was shit. We got away with it a bit, please spud face, stop playing defenders out of position.
44 is the magic number.
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So, this new 'keeper then...
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Win is a win.
But we need a CB or put Axel there, perhaps the keeper needs time to settle. Jack and the mighty McGinn crucial even at this early stage.
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No slow start this year -even if the performances haven't been top notch.
Keep it coming.
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Yes, yes, and yes.
2 wins to start the season. First time this century.
I wonder if he makes weird substitutions just to confuse the hell out of the opposition. It's worked a few times now.
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Under Bruce we have to get used to this, grinding out the result, one after another, one win after another, keep doing it, another good result today, 2 in the bag. so far so good.
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Hope not too many fans "beat the traffic" (© BE) and ended up missing the goal.
Was it our first last-minute winner at VP since Jackie 20 months ago?
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McGinn shirt on order then..
My weekend needed that, great comeback.
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Second best for most of the match but second place in the league. McGinn looks bargain of the century.
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McGinn shirt on order then..
My weekend needed that, great comeback.
Will be available just in time for Christmas.
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A welcome win but a really stodgy, disjointed performance. What's our style of play? I still have no idea. It's all so laboured. Big high point was a fine debut for McGinn. Loads of industry, some of the best set piece deliveries we've seen in a long while and a few glimpses that Jack may finally have a midfield partner on his wavelength. Onwards and upwards!
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Nice one Birkir! Nice touch by Jack at the end handing that shirt over to that fan.
Thought John McGinn was great: seems to relish playing for us already!
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Horrible kick and rush football.
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Hope not too many fans "beat the traffic" (© BE) and ended up missing the goal.
Was it our first last-minute winner at VP since Jackie 20 months ago?
I am in a field in Garrotxa trying to recharge my phone and get some internet!
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Well that was a typical Steve Bruce win...we mugged Wigan at the death.
Awful decision to play Jedinak as CB, Kodjia was poor and should have been replaced at half-time. Despite his goal, BB was not good enough. AVTV was absolute crap and the ref should hang up his whistle.
Jack was different class and McGinn looked tidy on his debut. I enjoyed RHM's cameo too - hope he stays healthy.
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Hope not too many fans "beat the traffic" (© BE) and ended up missing the goal.
Was it our first last-minute winner at VP since Jackie 20 months ago?
Good question, think that was 87 minutes.
Any statto out there know when was last time we scored a 94th minute winner at home? Maybe Weimann v Fulham?
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Again good result but lots to improve still. The worst thing is if you take the same team as today but move the players around a bit I think it would be fine. Jedi into holding midfield, Elmo to right back, axel into the middle, Green higher up the pitch.
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Another sub-par performance but good result.
The positives - McGinn, Grealish, Bjarnason goal.
The negatives - the new goalie was all over the shop, Kodjia was poor beyond belief and the defence was generally rubbish.
Still, 6 goals and 6 points and joint top of the league will do for me!
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So why make so many changes, first sort the defense, play centre backs, use Jedi for reassurance to play in front of them.
Jack , McGinn should start every game.
That leaves 3 places to fill from a pretty big pool of resources.
We got away with it today, but this is Steve Bruce.
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Hope not too many fans "beat the traffic" (© BE) and ended up missing the goal.
Was it our first last-minute winner at VP since Jackie 20 months ago?
Good question, think that was 87 minutes.
Any statto out there know when was last time we scored a 94th minute winner at home? Maybe Weimann v Fulham?
Last one that was 90 mins plus that I can remember was the Benteke pen vs the bitters.
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Another sub-par performance but good result.
The positives - McGinn, Grealish, Bjarnason goal.
The negatives - the new goalie was all over the shop, Kodjia was poor beyond belief and the defence was generally rubbish.
Still, 6 goals and 6 points and joint top of the league will do for me!
2nd...Boro played a game more on 7pts
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Fortress Villa Park....... get the name changed for £30 Mil
It makes sense in so many ways.
then we can spend it on some proper players too
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Another sub-par performance but good result.
The positives - McGinn, Grealish, Bjarnason goal.
The negatives - the new goalie was all over the shop, Kodjia was poor beyond belief and the defence was generally rubbish.
Still, 6 goals and 6 points and joint top of the league will do for me!
2nd...Boro played a game more on 7pts
Indeed, I stand corrected.
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Great stuff Villa, well done. Beer will taste that bit nicer tonight.
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Two massive come back wins in a row. Lots to improve but 6 from 6 is a superb start.
Yep 2 wins from losing positions. Rare as hens’ teeth last season.
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Chester first scorer each way at 20/1. Nice.
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Provided he can get forward Thor has goals in him. For me, his best position has always been further up attacking. Our new number 7 looked surprisingly useful, I can see him scoring a few screamers this season.
The defence looked very suspect, but Jedinak was back there so that pretty much explains everything.
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Under Bruce we have to get used to this, grinding out the result, one after another, one win after another, keep doing it, another good result today, 2 in the bag. so far so good.
There is an argument that would state a match with 5 goals that ends with a last gasp winner is kind of exciting...
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2 wins. 6 points. Can live with that. A lot to sort out but great to be in this position to sort out things to improve us....I fuckin love Aston Villa.
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Woakes gets his first ton as well.
Good day for all the Villa.
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Under Bruce we have to get used to this, grinding out the result, one after another, one win after another, keep doing it, another good result today, 2 in the bag. so far so good.
There is an argument that would state a match with 5 goals that ends with a last gasp winner is kind of exciting...
Winning is exciting, the football was anything but mainly due to his bodged team selection. The best thing that happened today was Wigan taking off Powell, which just goes to show, we're no the only club with a dumb manager.
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Great result but woeful football. Especially the second half.
Good debut from McGinn. Looks a decent signing.
Still no idea what Tuanzebe brings to the team that one of our young un’s could try and do instead. On less money and more passion.
The new keeper, the juries out.
Kodjia? We should have got another striker in, so at least he can be dropped if needs be. Has been awful for the first two games.
Anyway onwards and upwards. Up the Villa.
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Great result but woeful football. Especially the second half.
Good debut from McGinn. Looks a decent signing.
Still no idea what Tuanzebe brings to the team that one of our young un’s could try and do instead. On less money and more passion.
The new keeper, the juries out.
Kodjia? We should have got another striker in, so at least he can be dropped if needs be. Has been awful for the first two games.
Anyway onwards and upwards. Up the Villa.
I think any new goalkeeper playing with that defence in front of him might be nervous
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ok so manure fans say Axels best position is CB , put him there
and put a RB in Axels position .
And start with RHM . Kodja looks non league
simple..
Thought Grealish and McGinn at times looked great together , going to be a great duo and JM is excellent at set pieces too and a tiger in a tackle.
maybe the goalie was nervous , give him time.
That ref was awful.
Excellent day overall. We can do this .
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I’ve just discovered that we won, thought it ended 2-2 and then looked on here to see won, BRUCE OUT!
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ok so manure fans say Axels best position is CB , put him there
and put a RB in Axels position .
And start with RHM . Kodja looks non league
simple..
Thought Grealish and McGinn at times looked great together , going to be a great duo and JM is excellent at set pieces too and a tiger in a tackle.
maybe the goalie was nervous , give him time.
That ref was awful.
Excellent day overall. We can do this .
the ref was awful, agreed, but pretty much standard for this division I'm afraid.
Wait until we get a few more points on the board and then watch it change.
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I’ve just discovered that we won, thought it ended 2-2 and then looked on here to see won, BRUCE OUT!
Same.
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A win is a win and I thought Bruce's line up was correct. Individual mistakes happen. Move Tuanzebe next to Chester and bring in RDL to right back next week. Would love to see us bring in a midfield unit to free up McGinn and Grealish even more. Need another striker too to push Kodjia. Well done Villa.
Anyone know the attendance please?
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I thought kodj was better today but really needs a goal, just to chill him out a bit.
Nice to see adomah get some time in his natural position for a change.
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Good point but he seemed to lack confidence What was jedinak playing at today 1 out 10 for turning up Grealish much too deep, axel not good enough, Kodja no idea what he was meant to be doing but promising from mcginn. One comment needs making about jack’s tackling. Won’t be long before he gets a straight red
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Great to win it at the death, was just starting to think that a point wouldn’t be the end of the world.
It’s the ideal scenario really- maximum points, but the weaknesses were displayed and identifiable whilst the window is still open. Bruce seemed very unhappy with the way we were so ponderous for many of Wigan’s crosses second half, let’s hope he can sort it.
Personally I thought Kodjia, though nowhere near his best, looked sharper than last week and was slightly encouraged, I hope he doesn’t become the new scapegoat...
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Kodjia looks very low on confidence, shame he missed that sitter in the second half, as he needs a goal. McGinn looks a really exciting prospect and is exactly what we've been lacking in midfield since Milner left. Greaish was kicked all over the place yet again - I think Bruce needs to start putting pressure on referees as it's absurd the way opposing teams go after him. As others have said, the ref was abysmal.
6 points is great, but I can't fathom what our game plan is. We also need a centre half as I never want to see Jedinak or Elphick there again.
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A win is a win and I thought Bruce's line up was correct. Individual mistakes happen. Move Tuanzebe next to Chester and bring in RDL to right back next week. Would love to see us bring in a midfield unit to free up McGinn and Grealish even more. Need another striker too to push Kodjia. Well done Villa.
Anyone know the attendance please?
Think they 34,200 and something.
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I thought kodj was better today but really needs a goal, just to chill him out a bit.
Nice to see adomah get some time in his natural position for a change.
I thought he was mostly below par in it to be honest, that pass towards the end was awful.
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We won? Blimey!
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Anyone know the attendance please?
Attendance: 34,331
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just home. What a dogs breakfast we are at the back. If you invite Tuanzebe back at least play him in position. I thought we really missed some of last season's loan players today - Terry at the back, Snoddy wide and dare I say it, Johnstone in goal. I don't know what Nyland's been playing but its not football. As for Kodjia - the player of two years ago would have scored to today if not three,
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Hmmmm quite a few talking points from that.
McGinn is bloody marvellous, what a breath of fresh air to see a midfielder who has so much drive and mobility. And great delivery from corners and free kicks. I think we just may have a gem there.
Tuanzebe, just like the few games he played last season, he got dragged out of position a few times, but he his very mobile and quick to recover. I don’t think we can trust him at centre half yet.
Barney. The good the bad and the brilliant from him. Tidied up and intercepted well but his distribution is poor. And his first touch that bounced 20 feet away from him was awful.
But, again he was in the right place at the right time when it mattered.
Green, I just don’t get it with him. Looks frightened to death to get involved.
Finally, Jedinak. I think he has finally ‘jumped the shark’ to coin a phrase. He has been a decent servant, but I think today showed he is starting to lose it.
All in all a good (but lucky) win, but there is a hell of a lot to come from this team yet
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Left the pub in Spain more than a little disappointed with the home draw, rather more impressed to learn we’d grabbed a very late winner.
UTV
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Anyone know the attendance please?
Attendance: 34,331
Not sure if it was just the broadcast but it seemed extremely quiet today apart from the last 20 minutes. The crowd looked more they were watching a tennis match than a football match.
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Lovely stuff, sounds like we got away with it a bit and there are ares of confer (defence, striker). But we won and it’s two from two and McGinn sounds like a belter.
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We still can’t seem to pass a ball, yet the plan is clearly to play through Jack. McGuinn looks like he could connect with Jack but the rest haven’t got a scooby. And as for the defence, they can neither defend nor have the ability to play the ball out. I really hope we get a new left back and CH in on loan or I think we will struggle to stay with the leaders
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Anyone know the attendance please?
Attendance: 34,331
Had an unexpected spare afternoon - no tickets available on main site. Gutted now
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Do we know if the new owners were there?
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There's nothing quite like a last minute winner in front of the Holte. Terrific noise, and four minutes into added time - serves their 'keeper right for wasting so much time. Thought Wigan played quite well and moved the ball quickly, whereas we seemed a bit disjointed with a lot of sloppy passing, but two wins and six goals, coming from behind (no sniggering at the back) both times when you're not playing brilliantly can't be sniffed at.
Early days, but I'm not convinced by our new 'keeper, Jedi isn't a centre back, Tuanzebe seems inconsistent, and Kodjia should have got the hook earlier. On the other hand Jack was Jack - sublime movement with the ball accompanied by the usual bruise count - and McGinn looks like a real find. If we could get a couple of decent loans at centre back and striker I think we could really do something this season. Over to you Mr Bruce
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left back centre back striker and winger would be even better.
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I understand he was playing out of position but Tuanzebe was awful.
The win was great and there are plenty of positives to take but we don't really have a discernible style of play, we just seem to hope something happens.
Kodjia was awful, he seems to be less keen to pass the ball as he goes longer without a goal.
We really do lack pace, that is our biggest weakness
McGinn looked quality and Grealish is the best player in this league by an absolute mile.
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Massive result, didn't really deserve it but they all count. Played two, won two.
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Chester first scorer each way at 20/1. Nice.
Forgive my ignorance but how did you have this each way ? My missus wanted me to put a fiver on Chester anytime at 7-1 - told her I had and am now £40 out of pocket ! Don’t care as we won but wasn’t happy at 2-2
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http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11470164/aston-villa-3-2-wigan
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Massive result, didn't really deserve it but they all count. Played two, won two.
We fully deserved it.
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The win was great and there are plenty of positives to take but we don't really have a discernible style of play, we just seem to hope something happens.
I said this earlier, I just can't ever see any pattern or plan to what we do. It makes me wonder how the hell new players are introduced to the side - presumably 'just hang around somewhere there and if you get the ball pass it to one of ours'. If we had a certain way of playing it'd be easy to slot someone into a particular role and they'd know what was expected of them. Instead it all looks so random and hinges far too much on Jack's brilliance.
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That defence was woeful today. Tuanzebe was cack, and Jedi slow and pedestrian, with that utterly cretinous back pass to ruin Nyland's debut. Needs sorting ASAP. As does the striking situation.
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Just got back in after being at the game earlier. Good to get the win, but there were some real concerns. I suppose he has to be given the benefit of the doubt seeing as it was his debut, but the goalkeeper looked very shaky. Him and Jedinak hesitated and he nearly got a kick blocked down early on and then those pair combined again for a calamitous first goal. I lost count of the number of times he kicked the ball out of play and he got nowhere near a high ball that came into the box in the second half. As I said, hopefully just first game nerves an we will see an improvement.
Jedinak had a really sloppy game at centre half and we desperately need to bring in a first choice player in that position. I thought Tuanzebe did OK, but like last season looked a bit clumsy in possession at times. McGinn had a couple of loose touches here and there, but worked hard and delivered some excellent set pieces. I still think Green is more effective coming on in the latter stages and although Kodjia put himself about a bit more than Monday night, he was still pretty ineffective. Bringing in a striker is another priority before the end of the window.
Thought the referee was garbage today and stopped the game far too often.
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It sounds like a typical Bruce Villa display, a decent result but unconvincing, no discernable style of play and a tendency to shoot ourselves in the foot. Take an early lead then shit the bed. The problem is we won't always get away with it and it's what cost us last season. Doesn't really matter who we get in on loan, we'll still have Bruce in charge. I suppose worst case for us is that we are "thereabouts" which makes him hard to fire, but not quite "there", like last year, which means ultimate failure. It's frustrating.
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Chester first scorer each way at 20/1. Nice.
Forgive my ignorance but how did you have this each way ? My missus wanted me to put a fiver on Chester anytime at 7-1 - told her I had and am now £40 out of pocket ! Don’t care as we won but wasn’t happy at 2-2
Skybet offer first scorers each way (ie first scorer plus any time scorer). I've only just noticed that today myself, so it may be new.
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Good news is we’re winning when not playing well. Bad news is we’re not playing well
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How did the Russian do when he came on?
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Fancy us to beat Ipswich.
Brentford will be a big test. Our bogey team down here and they outplayed Stoke at the Bet365 (Stoke look like they're going to have our 16/17 season).
Need a couple of loans in before that game I think.
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Sounds like a typical SB win, not easy on the eye, but 3 points none the less. There must come a time where he realises he must start using round pegs in round holes though.
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How did the Russian do when he came on?
Did OK and put himself about. Nearly got through but was stopped by an excellent last ditch tackle.
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They looked like scoring everytime they crossed it, i aint seeing it with andre green i gotta say, hes like a much poorer or less potential version of agbonlahor or luke moore
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Sounds like a typical SB win, not easy on the eye, but 3 points none the less. There must come a time where he realises he must start using round pegs in round holes though.
He did that most of last season and people said he should've rotated more!
Today was unnecesary though, when I saw the 11 I assumed it would Axel-Chester at the back and Jedi as DM so no idea why he tinkered. AEM should'nt have been playing out wide right with Green on the pitch and Adomah on the bench.
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Despite some calamitous defending, I think we deserved the win as we created the better chances and more of them, although it helped that Wigan didn't really shut up shop and also took off Powell for some reason.
We were better when Elmo switched to RB as Tuanzebe showed no improvement from last season. Bjarnason redeemed a lack lustre show with the drive and desire to get on the end of that cross.
Let's hope the keeper settles in quickly after a shaky display. The defence needs to have confidence and vice versa.
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We're gonna win the league!
I have just looked at the Championship table (sad I know at this stage of the season) and we are second. But how come Boro, who are top have played an extra game as have Forest, Albion and Sheffield United?
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Id try tuanzebe at centre back, jedinak seems so slow and a liability waiting to happen, grealish is so far ahead of anyone out there in talent, hutton continues to amaze me as the scottish cafu, grealish and the scottish zidane were the top performers today
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I think to be fair if we’d got Bryan we would have seen him left back Chester and Tuanxebe in the middle and Hutton right back so after plans need to be changed hard to criticise too much until the loan window is exhausted and see what we end up with.
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Just home through the Site of Ancient Roadworks sometimes called the M6/A14.
McGinn is going to be our next £30 million sale. Very impressed. Not so the new goalkeeper but will put it down to nerves after being shafted by Jedinak. Mile is NOT a back four player. He is too error prone. As a stopper in midfield his mistakes are not terminal. His best role is to mix it with the opposition trying to break Jack's legs.
All in all a Classic. One for the memory bank.
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Sorry. Double post.
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Anyone else thinks grealish was playing too deep and can sb please tell him not to keep lunging in he will get himself sent off sooner rather than later
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Fantastic to see us get a 94th minute winner! Many had already gone around us.
McGinn was MOTM for me, all action, shots, assists, crunching tackles. A star in the making here, hopefully.
Have to say, I thought Wigan looked brighter and sharper than us. Their guy who missed that guilt edged header should have won the game for them. I had hands to my head every time we were messing around at the back.
I just wish we could inject some pace into what we do. Our build up play is painful at times. At least when RHM came on he caused them problems unlike Kodjia, an absolute shadow of what he was.
Anyways, Karma for their keeper who was wasting time for at least 30 minutes and was clearly being told by their manager to slow the game down. Seemed strange to me as they could have easily won it.
Oh, and the referee was abysmal, again. Six points from six!
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I thought Jack's lunge was purely out of frustration and I'm not surprised considering how often he was kicked. The ref was dreadful.
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I thought Jack's lunge was purely out of frustration and I'm not surprised considering how often he was kicked. The ref was dreadful.
I think the ref blew up every time there was a contested challenge. And why did the game restart with a free kick to Wigan at one point after they kicked the ball into touch so an injured player could get attention!?
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Massive result, didn't really deserve it but they all count. Played two, won two.
We fully deserved it.
No we didn't, Wigan had two easy chances in the second half from crosses that they should have scored from, while we watched!
No we mugged them, they are a decent side who play at a tempo and play football!
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2 down, 44 to go ……...
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Chuffed with the three points and frankly don't care how we won, SB made 6 changes from the Hull game and still got the result.
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I thought it might be a struggle when I saw the line-up. How many of last season’s goals were on the bench? 24? I know people have got a downer on Albert and CH but what’s the most important event in a football match? (A goal obvs).
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Kodjia was awful, he has to sort out his attitude and get on with the game instead of moaning and sulking all the time!
We still look like a team that meet up for the first time just before the kick off, some bloody good players but as a cohesive team nowhere near it!
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2 down, 44 to go ……...
Or 46 or 47. ;)
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Kodjia was awful, he has to sort out his attitude and get on with the game instead of moaning and sulking all the time!
We still look like a team that meet up for the first time just before the kick off, some bloody good players but as a cohesive team nowhere near it!
Good point, I mentioned it in the first half. More time throwing his arms around like a petulant five year old and sulking than actually trying to get involved and do some positive things. As I said earlier, he looks a shadow of what he once was.
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I thought for a minute that was one of your mates who you had put a TV up for and he was proudly showing that it was still on the wall.
But seriously, what is there not to love about Paul McGrath.
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Pleased with the result though as others have said we were very sloppy at times.
Nyland - 6 - looked a bit nervous and his kicking was off a bit but I’m putting that down to some nerves but to be honest he didn’t have a lot to do, needs to sweep behind his back 4 more aggressively
Tuanzebe - 6 - again looked a bit undercooked and will settle in time
Chester - 7 - captains performance no pissing about, good goal.
Jedinak - 5 - you could tell it was his first game back and he was sloppy esp for the first goal with a hospital pass to Nyland
Hutton - 7 - no messing about from the Scottish Cafu, influence diminished as the game progressed
El Moh - 6 - again looked a bit out of sorts taking wrong options but otherwise solid
McGinn - 7 - industrious, good dead balls and an assist v encouraging more dynamic than Hourihane
Barney - 7 - did a good job but his passing was occasionally sloppy, scored at the end for an extra point
Green - 6 - faded out of the game as it progressed, he’s got to be more proactive in his involvement rather than just marking his full back out of the game
Grealish -7.5 MOTM - our creative outlet, he makes it happen and just about shaded his battle with their no5, his teammates need to give him better options as hes attractive too many fouls currently.
Kodjia - 6 - desperate for a goal, after a very ineffectual first half his play upped drastically in the second half and I think he’s starting to get it back, have patience people it will come.
Subs - no great impacts but all helped keep us moving forwards
Bruce - 7 - hmmm, not the best performance with flashes of good play but he gets a pass on this one as That’s pretty much Wigan’s team from last season and they’re well drilled with good patterns etc etc. Subs were good and kept some impetus in our play. All in all if he can get Kodjia scoring and better delivery from our wide midfielders we can get a lot better. Agree with others though stop playin defenders out of position.
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Two massive come back wins in a row. Lots to improve but 6 from 6 is a superb start.
Yep 2 wins from losing positions. Rare as hens’ teeth last season.
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Yes this is very positive. I feel as though I don’t have to panic if we go a goal down.
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I thought we looked better when we went to 4 at the back, would like to seee Tuanzebe alongside Chester.
RHM played well.
Oh and Clyde are top of the League; Mon e Bully!!
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The negatives:
1) Lack of organisation at the back - why throw so many different players in and play them out of position?
2)Hutton on the left stifled his ability to move the game on as he has no left foot.
3)Jedinak was dire and at fault for both goals.
4) Axel is a centre half
5) The poor distribution from the back - it was chronic
6) The ball for Kodjia is feet or the channel- don't keep knocking it up and expecting it to stick. It never has and it never will
Positives
1) McGinn. Excellent work rate and lovely range of passing.
2) Mentality - we went behind, again and came back, again. We went right to the death.
As poor as we were 2nd half, after comfortably dominating a plucky Wigan, it shows a lot of character to come back.
We need 4 players and to treat our defensive organisation with more respect. But we won, despite Bruce's idiocy today.
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As if there weren’t enough reasons to admire God! Mes que un club!
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We're gonna win the league!
I have just looked at the Championship table (sad I know at this stage of the season) and we are second. But how come Boro, who are top have played an extra game as have Forest, Albion and Sheffield United?
Because they have played an extra game😊
OK there is a full set of fixtures midweek after next but two games from that set were brought forward to this week for a) clash with the Test match at Trent Bridge and b) Boro were being asked to play on Tuesday and then again on Friday for tv so their Tuesday game was played this week.
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The negatives:
1) Lack of organisation at the back - why throw so many different players in and play them out of position?
2)Hutton on the left stifled his ability to move the game on as he has no left foot.
3)Jedinak was dire and at fault for both goals.
4) Axel is a centre half
5) The poor distribution from the back - it was chronic
6) The ball for Kodjia is feet or the channel- don't keep knocking it up and expecting it to stick. It never has and it never will
Positives
1) McGinn. Excellent work rate and lovely range of passing.
2) Mentality - we went behind, again and came back, again. We went right to the death.
As poor as we were 2nd half, after comfortably dominating a plucky Wigan, it shows a lot of character to come back.
We need 4 players and to treat our defensive organisation with more respect. But we won, despite Bruce's idiocy today.
Hate to say it but totally agree with this summary😊
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I thought for a minute that was one of your mates who you had put a TV up for and he was proudly showing that it was still on the wall.
But seriously, what is there not to love about Paul McGrath.
I haven't got any friends. It's cheaper at Christmas.
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The negatives:
1) Lack of organisation at the back - why throw so many different players in and play them out of position?
2)Hutton on the left stifled his ability to move the game on as he has no left foot.
3)Jedinak was dire and at fault for both goals.
4) Axel is a centre half
5) The poor distribution from the back - it was chronic
6) The ball for Kodjia is feet or the channel- don't keep knocking it up and expecting it to stick. It never has and it never will
Positives
1) McGinn. Excellent work rate and lovely range of passing.
2) Mentality - we went behind, again and came back, again. We went right to the death.
As poor as we were 2nd half, after comfortably dominating a plucky Wigan, it shows a lot of character to come back.
We need 4 players and to treat our defensive organisation with more respect. But we won, despite Bruce's idiocy today.
Hate to say it but totally agree with this summary😊
Yep, can’t fault it.
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My Rangers friends (they’re actually sound) reckon we’ve got a steal with McGinn. Their summary was a young Scott Brown but better. The “bad news” is he’ll be at Villa for 2 years before we sell him for 20m. 😢
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My Rangers friends (they’re actually sound) reckon we’ve got a steal with McGinn. Their summary was a young Scott Brown but better. The “bad news” is he’ll be at Villa for 2 years before we sell him for 20m. 😢
If we are in the 'EPL' then I think he will command a far higher fee if he chooses to leave us for lesser teams.
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I've heard he's got a medical at Spurs tomorrow. #LevyPlayingABlinder
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My Rangers friends (they’re actually sound) reckon we’ve got a steal with McGinn. Their summary was a young Scott Brown but better. The “bad news” is he’ll be at Villa for 2 years before we sell him for 20m. 😢
. Why will he want to leave a club who are in the Champions League?
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Does anyone know how Grealish got on in his debut for Spurs?
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I've heard he's got a medical at Spurs tomorrow. #LevyPlayingABlinder
And again, fuck off
Daniel
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Does anyone know how Grealish got on in his debut for Spurs?
The bit I saw of the Spurs/Newcastle game was terrible. It was like primary school football - 20 outfield players all crowding round the ball and randomly kicking it at each other.
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That defence was woeful today. Tuanzebe was cack, and Jedi slow and pedestrian, with that utterly cretinous back pass to ruin Nyland's debut. Needs sorting ASAP. As does the striking situation.
And yet we still found a way to win. The key here is luck runs out eventually, so hopefully as this new team comes together over the next few weeks we will have picked up as many points as possible in the process. We cannot continue with having no production up front. The ammo is now there.
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Just got home. Can't believe we won that. Thought we controlled the game until their equaliser and then lost bit of composure, they bossed first half of second period but we got fortunate second goal and obviously never gave up meaning we got that precious winner. Six points out of six which you can't argue with but defence looks bit sloppy - Jedi should never play centre back again and I thought Barney poor despite his goal. Hutton did ok, couldn't believe that bit of skill in the first half and McGinn was IMMENSE! We need another striker though as Kodjia looks no where near the player of two years ago.
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Just got home. Still cant work out why Bruce picked that defensive formation? However, a last minute winner and very happy with six points from the opening two games. UTV
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Does anyone know how Grealish got on in his debut for Spurs?
The bit I saw of the Spurs/Newcastle game was terrible. It was like primary school football - 20 outfield players all crowding round the ball and randomly kicking it at each other.
Yeah, he should have went to Leeds where Bielsa would have him playing with team-mates who'll pass and move for him.
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Surely he'd have been better suited at Wolveselona?
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I thought we looked better when we went to 4 at the back, would like to seee Tuanzebe alongside Chester.
RHM played well.
Oh and Clyde are top of the League; Mon e Bully!!
We played four at the back all game didn't we?
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We did.
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Dodgy at the back but feck me Grealish and McGinn look fantastic. 6 out of 6. Superb!
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My Rangers friends (they’re actually sound) reckon we’ve got a steal with McGinn. Their summary was a young Scott Brown but better. The “bad news” is he’ll be at Villa for 2 years before we sell him for 20m. 😢
I can’t believe that. That you have Rangers supporting friends😂 on McGinn he could as good as Pat McMahon. Possibly the best debut since Dion Dublin.
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That defence was woeful today. Tuanzebe was cack, and Jedi slow and pedestrian, with that utterly cretinous back pass to ruin Nyland's debut. Needs sorting ASAP. As does the striking situation.
Hutton was really poor for their second too.
Utterly ridiculous number of changes in the space of a week from Bruce though. We complained about his lack of rotation last season but this was Ranieri esque....with a hangover.
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I thought we looked better when we went to 4 at the back
So that would be start of the game😂
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Yes it’s strange we won a game without a proper team out there. Disorganised incapable defence and totally bereft of any forward formation. So 1/3 of the team worked just think how good we could be if Bruce sorted the other 2/3.
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I think a lot of people agreed with team selection before the game. Those who were generally poor on Monday were left out.
Jedinek can't play left centreback & keeper certainly didn't command his area. McGinn was excellent.
We need a left footed centre half & a centre forward.
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Nice one Birkir! Nice touch by Jack at the end handing that shirt over to that fan.
Thought John McGinn was great: seems to relish playing for us already!
I saw the lad with the shirt alongside his dad at the bus stop on Aston Lane. He was beaming like it was Christmas morning
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I think a lot of people agreed with team selection before the game. Those who were generally poor on Monday were left out.
The Eric Morecambe quote, "all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order" springs to mind. He can't keep making the same mistakes if we are to be serious contenders this season. Bruce needs to up his game and quickly. We're lucky with the soft start we have but there was little excuse playing a right back in midfield, a midfielder at centre back and a centre back at right back.
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My Rangers friends (they’re actually sound) reckon we’ve got a steal with McGinn. Their summary was a young Scott Brown but better. The “bad news” is he’ll be at Villa for 2 years before we sell him for 20m. 😢
I can’t believe that. That you have Rangers supporting friends😂 on McGinn he could as good as Pat McMahon. Possibly the best debut since Dion Dublin.
What a debut that was! His and Carbone's are two of my absolute favourites.
Hope you enjoyed today, fella!
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Yes eventually as you just can’t beat an injury time winner but you should have seen me sitting there with my head in my hands after Jedi nicely set up Nick Powell😡
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Was it last season against Wigan that we were pretty rubbish and Grealish stuck one in in injury time from 25 yards?
You'd think they'd learn.
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My Rangers friends (they’re actually sound) reckon we’ve got a steal with McGinn. Their summary was a young Scott Brown but better. The “bad news” is he’ll be at Villa for 2 years before we sell him for 20m. 😢
I can’t believe that. That you have Rangers supporting friends😂 on McGinn he could as good as Pat McMahon. Possibly the best debut since Dion Dublin.
Never as good as Pat McMahon!
I was cheered up pre-match when I heard Pat Nevin say we had one of the best deals of the summer. He reckons there were two Scottish players who could walk into the premier league - McGinn and Tierney (sp?).
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Was it last season against Wigan that we were pretty rubbish and Grealish stuck one in in injury time from 25 yards?
You'd think they'd learn.
That was December 2016. A glorious goal.
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Didn't attend the game as I was at Lord's watching Villa fan Chris Woakes' magnificent performance.
My brother tells me it was a great game for the neutrals, but he was sorely vexed by our central defence. He also used a lot of scurrilous invective which I will not repeat here at the risk of offending our more sensitive members.
Fucking great day!
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McGinn reminded me of Ray Houghton at times today
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McGinn reminded me of Ray Houghton at times today
I thought the same Mike. Ray Houghton in his Liverpool days except better.
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How many times does Bruce have to pick Jedi at centre back before he understands he is a liability there, why can't he use players in their right position? a centre back and someone to lead the line and I think we can do it this season.
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Yes eventually as you just can’t beat an injury time winner but you should have seen me sitting there with my head in my hands after Jedi nicely set up Nick Powell😡
It was the same for me at the Shed Utd game just before Christmas. Haha
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I think a lot of people agreed with team selection before the game. Those who were generally poor on Monday were left out.
Jedinek can't play left centreback & keeper certainly didn't command his area. McGinn was excellent.
We need a left footed centre half & a centre forward.
Too many changes. New keeper plus new CB pairing plus new RB plus switching RB to LB plus two new central midfielders
Always likely to breed instability surely?
He is an odd one sometimes Bruce. He barely rotated last season. This time we're only a week into the season and had 5 days between games.
Hopefully there'll be a striker and left back and ideally winger in the squad by the time we play Ipswich
But if tuanzebe isn't coming in as first choice we might need a CB instead as jedinak keeps costing us at CB
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Dodgy defence, but still managed to get 3 points, great debut by the Scottish Zidane, him and Jack could rip this league up. Kodja I thought had a better second half, but still not the player of two years ago, all clamouring for Green but he has to get himself involved, or Bruce has the perfect excuse for not giving the kids more game time and he will use it.
But 3 points are 3 points, 6 on the board long way to go.
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A great win Villa! Turning 1 point into 3 at the death is what we need to do, if we want to be auto promotion contenders, something we couldn't do last season with too many draws. 6 points from 2 games is encouraging bearing in mind it took us 6 games to achieve this at the start of last SSN. A great debut by Mcginn and Hourihane's ball into Thor was brilliant.
Bruce as an ex defender needs to sort out his defence (Jedinak is not the answer!) Also he needs to start playing to the strength of his strikers because he hasn't really got a tune out of any of them since Kodjia's 19 goals.
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Did anyone else get stuck in mad traffic near Aston Hall yesterday. Looked like a massive wedding was happening there and people leaving it really snagged up the roads. I never usually come that way to the ground and missed kick off as a result.
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When 3/4 of your backline age playing out of position you know it’s not going to go smoothly.
Axel needs to be CB. Hopefully now De Laet is back we will see;
De Laet, Axel, Chester, Hutton/new left back
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When I saw the changes I was really positive and felt they were correct. I thought Wigan were going to have a big Ariel threat so to replace Whelan with Jedi was spot on and would also help Tuanzabe in at CB. Pity Bruce didn't think the same way.
Very sloppy at times but credit for the balls to keep going and get the win so late
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I thought he made too many changes personally and Jedinak should only be playing at centre half as a last resort, he was all over the place at times.
Wigan can feel a little hard done by but it's a good start for us even if again it wasn't very convincing.
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Well if you can't be good, be lucky i say. Pretty piss poor performance all round apart from McGinn who looked a superb acquisition. Jedinak starting as centre half - well its not like everyone doesn't know he can't play there apart from Nan's hair. Seriously if he's the 2nd best centre half we have, then give all the youth centre halfs free transfers because they're never gonna make it if they can't be better than that. hell as least elphick only looked a complete disaster waiting to happen last game - Jedinak was the real deal. Kodjia, well he was pish again but i do believe he will come good. Just as well because Bruce isn't gonna play anyone else
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Did anyone else get stuck in mad traffic near Aston Hall yesterday. Looked like a massive wedding was happening there and people leaving it really snagged up the roads. I never usually come that way to the ground and missed kick off as a result.
Yeah took me nearly an hour to get from Park Circus to King Edwards. There was a wedding and a big bible/church event on Aston Park and loads of cars were trying to get out via Albert Road just as the matchday traffic hit. Mayhem
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Bruce could be the one thing holding us back this season. With a couple of loans we will have all the ingredients for a good team playing good football. But the chef has a tendency to mistake the sugar for the salt and an appetite for old fashioned plain food and stodgy puddings. Hopefully the new owners will already be scouting a michelin star contender.
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Based on highlights only, McGinn looks to have a wand of a left foot and great delivery into the box. And a shot on him. It could be another Bruce signing in the mould of a Maguire or Robertson. Not before time, but if he lives up to the promise, credit is due.
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Just word on Jedi’s poor display yesterday. He looked under cooked in his preparation. Did he have a full preseason after the World Cup? How many minutes did he have in friendlies?
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Chester first scorer each way at 20/1. Nice.
Forgive my ignorance but how did you have this each way ? My missus wanted me to put a fiver on Chester anytime at 7-1 - told her I had and am now £40 out of pocket ! Don’t care as we won but wasn’t happy at 2-2
Skybet offer first scorers each way (ie first scorer plus any time scorer). I've only just noticed that today myself, so it may be new.
Thanks. Hadn’t seen that. May have to switch from Betfair for my occasional flutter.
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I whooped with delight as Murphy reported our last-ditch winner, but it didn't sound like we performed anything like I was hoping for prior to ko. Replacing Mad Tom with Jedinak was never likely to instill the confidence & solidity that our defence was crying out for: and so it proved. Still, I ain't gonna sniff at our winning start to the campaign (although there are clearly a number of issues that SB needs to sort asap). I only saw the brief highlights last night, but I couldn't help but notice the telling contribution that SJM made on his debut. The quality of his dead-ball delivery was superb; and his already burgeoning partnership with Jack was a joy to behold. I won't repeat the concerns I just expressed in the Kodjia thread, but I hope to God we can bring in the kind of striker who's able to compliment the way Bruce appears to want his team to play (yeesh). A concerted push for promotion could well depend on it.
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Well said Auntie.
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It's a shame Davis is injured, he's obviously not prolific, but his hold up play was great at times last season and he helps the midfield as they know to make runs off of him. Hope RHM gets a start on Tuesday and a first goal, maybe play Kodjia on the left.
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Bruce should know that Jedi in the back 4 is a mistake waiting to happen so why do it?
We were the better team marginally. Wigan for their part were good and I think have a decent chance of the play offs on that showing.
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He dosen't rate Elphick one little bit.
No idea why Axel didn't play CB though.
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My Rangers friends (they’re actually sound) reckon we’ve got a steal with McGinn. Their summary was a young Scott Brown but better. The “bad news” is he’ll be at Villa for 2 years before we sell him for 20m. 😢
I can’t believe that. That you have Rangers supporting friends😂 on McGinn he could as good as Pat McMahon. Possibly the best debut since Dion Dublin.
What a debut that was! His and Carbone's are two of my absolute favourites.
Hope you enjoyed today, fella!
Sasa Curcic also had an excellent debut...
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My Rangers friends (they’re actually sound) reckon we’ve got a steal with McGinn. Their summary was a young Scott Brown but better. The “bad news” is he’ll be at Villa for 2 years before we sell him for 20m. 😢
I can’t believe that. That you have Rangers supporting friends😂 on McGinn he could as good as Pat McMahon. Possibly the best debut since Dion Dublin.
Never as good as Pat McMahon!
I was cheered up pre-match when I heard Pat Nevin say we had one of the best deals of the summer. He reckons there were two Scottish players who could walk into the premier league - McGinn and Tierney (sp?).
As o said he could be as good as Pat😊
For the first time in years I saw a midfielder pick the ball and drive forward pass and move to receive. Worth paying for.
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He'll soon have that coached out of him.
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Extended Highlights (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiTstgguj8A)
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Bruce was a brilliant centre half, it’s puzzling that he thinks Jedinak is up to playing there.
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My Rangers friends (they’re actually sound) reckon we’ve got a steal with McGinn. Their summary was a young Scott Brown but better. The “bad news” is he’ll be at Villa for 2 years before we sell him for 20m. 😢
I can’t believe that. That you have Rangers supporting friends😂 on McGinn he could as good as Pat McMahon. Possibly the best debut since Dion Dublin.
What a debut that was! His and Carbone's are two of my absolute favourites.
Hope you enjoyed today, fella!
Sasa Curcic also had an excellent debut...
I'm guessing your a glass half empty kinda guy ....
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How many more games & mistakes will it take for Bruce to realise that Jedinak is not a centre half?
Surely Mad Tom is a better prospect, until we sign someone else?
Don't we have any young defenders who are better than Tuanzebe?
And does his loan mean we have to play him, like that waste of space from spurs last season?
And for feck sake, play Hutton at right back his natural position.Not rocket science is it?
As for Kodjia, I'd say to him "shape up mate or we'll ship you out" as he has been dross so far.
Green is work in progress and will improve with more game time.
Can Elmo play LB?
Sorry, but Thor isn't a replacement for Hourihane.
McGinn, how did we manage to steal this guy for the price we paid?
Nyland (and Moreira),really better than Steer or Sarkic??
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Sasa Curcic got the hook on his debut as a magician in Las Vegas.
Luc Nilis caused a sharp intake of breath on his debut. It did not end well.
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Since the great windfall of keeping Jack ,signing McG and having a great start of the season there is one flaw in Bruce gameplan that I think cost us the PL last season. Bruce seems to rate people in terms of who they are , what they done in the past and their off the field status. Not what dynamic and potential to change the team they bring.
So you got 3 DMC competing for the same spot. Wealan, Jedi and BB. Its a kind of tossup between Jedi and Wealan but he will start both of them ahead of BB if they are available. They key though is whoever is best of playing in the 4 thats in front of the DMC, assuming that we have the 4-1-4-1 that Bruce seems to favor. You do that fast and accurate and the attacking midfielder more often will have time to turn and run at the opposing defenders. Last year that meant Jack and Conor, this year it might be even more important with Jack and McG.
BB is turning the play and gets it up the pitch ALOT faster then both Wealan and Jedi. That isnt a glamourous job but the differance between a defender hacking at Jack from behind while he runs back to receive a slow obvious pass from Jedinak or running at that defender with pace in the attacking direction will mean alot to both Villas ability to break down defensive teams as well as keeping our key player free of injuries (they will keep diving in at him but if he sees it coming he can at least try dodge it).
Bruces inability to realize this or just his obsession with DMC protecting the back four rather then enabling the four in front cost us the Fulham game (and the automatic promotion as well). Hope he wise the fuck up this year.
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Oh god, please don't call him McG. Not like that fuckwitted film director.
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My Rangers friends (they’re actually sound) reckon we’ve got a steal with McGinn. Their summary was a young Scott Brown but better. The “bad news” is he’ll be at Villa for 2 years before we sell him for 20m. 😢
I can’t believe that. That you have Rangers supporting friends😂 on McGinn he could as good as Pat McMahon. Possibly the best debut since Dion Dublin.
Never as good as Pat McMahon!
I was cheered up pre-match when I heard Pat Nevin say we had one of the best deals of the summer. He reckons there were two Scottish players who could walk into the premier league - McGinn and Tierney (
Did you go Paulie? Would’ve been a great day out eh?
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How many times does Bruce have to pick Jedi at centre back before he understands he is a liability there, why can't he use players in their right position? a centre back and someone to lead the line and I think we can do it this season.
He did ok there at times last season didn't he? Just thought it was pointless change to swap Elphick out for him. Tuanzebe already seems fairly pointless, we already four very experienced right backs in the squad, don't need another one.
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How many more games & mistakes will it take for Bruce to realise that Jedinak is not a centre half?
Surely Mad Tom is a better prospect, until we sign someone else?
Don't we have any young defenders who are better than Tuanzebe?
And does his loan mean we have to play him, like that waste of space from spurs last season?
And for feck sake, play Hutton at right back his natural position.Not rocket science is it?
As for Kodjia, I'd say to him "shape up mate or we'll ship you out" as he has been dross so far.
Green is work in progress and will improve with more game time.
Can Elmo play LB?
Sorry, but Thor isn't a replacement for Hourihane.
McGinn, how did we manage to steal this guy for the price we paid?
Nyland (and Moreira),really better than Steer or Sarkic??
i like your rants Eddie, but tell Kodjia we’ll ship him out after two shit games? He’ll come good soon. Seems as if there is less pressure on him this season, as the goals are flying in from everywhere. 6 in 3 is it?
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6 in 2 even better
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Yeah 2 sorry maths was never my best subject
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And for feck sake, play Hutton at right back his natural position.Not rocket science is it?
Can Elmo play LB?
Is the second point rocket science?
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And for feck sake, play Hutton at right back his natural position.Not rocket science is it?
Can Elmo play LB?
Is the second point rocket science?
This did make me laugh.
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do we not have anything coming through from the youth at left back ??
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Play de laet on left
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Play de Laet on the left hand side...
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So happy with the start we have made six points six goals and two wins out of two good start long may it continue.