Post by: Ads on August 08, 2018, 10:01:29 AM
Post by: Villan For Life on August 08, 2018, 10:11:09 AM
One of my favourite Villa players ever Des Bremner joined us from Hibs and if you’re anywhere as good as him then I for one will be happy.
Post by: Eckybloke on August 08, 2018, 10:11:59 AM
Probably worth his own thread as it looks like it's done.Us over Celtic?
That's a result.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 08, 2018, 10:21:27 AM
Welcome to the finest football club that you will ever play for, AVFC.
One of my favourite Villa players ever Des Bremner joined us from Hibs and if you’re anywhere as good as him then I for one will be happy.
Lets not forget dela Cruz 😉
Post by: footyskillz on August 08, 2018, 10:35:11 AM
It's understandable not like is it a Ginn or Guinness
Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2018, 10:38:04 AM
Post by: Brassneck on August 08, 2018, 10:39:08 AM
Ads, why do you think this is done?
The Villa medical guy on Twitter has posted this morning and stated that it's done and to relax.
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2018, 10:47:04 AM
Monday made clear that we need a lot more drive and legs in our central midfield. We're so static at times.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 08, 2018, 10:51:51 AM
Ads, why do you think this is done?
The Villa medical guy on Twitter has posted this morning and stated that it's done and to relax.
Do you have his twitter account please? Might give that a follow - Hopefully a busy one over the next couple of days!
Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2018, 10:53:16 AM
Post by: Brassneck on August 08, 2018, 10:55:43 AM
Ads, why do you think this is done?
The Villa medical guy on Twitter has posted this morning and stated that it's done and to relax.
Do you have his twitter account please? Might give that a follow - Hopefully a busy one over the next couple of days!
It's "Villa Transfers" but he doesn't accept new followers for some reason.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 08, 2018, 10:58:58 AM
Ads, why do you think this is done?
The Villa medical guy on Twitter has posted this morning and stated that it's done and to relax.
Do you have his twitter account please? Might give that a follow - Hopefully a busy one over the next couple of days!
It's "Villa Transfers" but he doesn't accept new followers for some reason.
OK, ta
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 08, 2018, 11:06:41 AM
Ads, why do you think this is done?
The Villa medical guy on Twitter has posted this morning and stated that it's done and to relax.
Do you have his twitter account please? Might give that a follow - Hopefully a busy one over the next couple of days!
It's "Villa Transfers" but he doesn't accept new followers for some reason.
Deeply suspicious of such people, are they gathering followers to start some sort of revolutionary army?
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2018, 11:09:09 AM
Post by: dicedlam on August 08, 2018, 11:13:07 AM
One of my favourite Villa players ever Des Bremner joined us from Hibs and if you’re anywhere as good as him then I for one will be happy.
Welcome to the finest football club that you will ever play for, AVFC.
One of my favourite Villa players ever Des Bremner joined us from Hibs and if you’re anywhere as good as him then I for one will be happy.
Lets not forget dela Cruz 😉
...or Alex Cropley (via Arsenal).
Post by: olaftab on August 08, 2018, 11:18:15 AM
Did he have a medical at Celtic as well?
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 08, 2018, 12:00:50 PM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 08, 2018, 12:12:19 PM
Post by: Bad English on August 08, 2018, 12:23:49 PM
Post by: OCD on August 08, 2018, 12:34:19 PM
STSATRTG
Don't you mean STSATRTF?
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 08, 2018, 12:45:15 PM
Welcome to the finest football club that you will ever play for, AVFC.
One of my favourite Villa players ever Des Bremner joined us from Hibs and if you’re anywhere as good as him then I for one will be happy.
Loved Dessie Bremner. He ran all day, simply did not stop.
If McGinn is as good a player and is as committed as he was, we will be very lucky and I will be very happy. The perfect foil for Sid, Dennis Mortimer, and Tony Morley.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/niDXLe/Des_Bremner.jpg) (https://ibb.co/niDXLe)
Post by: vbm on August 08, 2018, 01:03:35 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2018, 01:05:28 PM
Post by: mr underhill on August 08, 2018, 01:15:54 PM
Post by: Bad English on August 08, 2018, 01:39:02 PM
It might be STSATRTC you know!STSATRTG
Don't you mean STSATRTF?
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2018, 01:39:31 PM
Aston Villa have agreed a fee with Hibernian to sign John McGinn, with the midfielder undergoing a medical.
The player has been in talks with the English Championship club since Tuesday and is understood to be close to a move.
Celtic have had two bids for the Scotland international rejected.
"I think Celtic have matched the offer but I think Villa are in the driving position at the minute," said Hibs manager Neil Lennon.
"John went down to Birmingham, A fee has been agreed. I don't know if personal terms have been agreed yet."
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 08, 2018, 01:49:56 PM
The risk/reward doesn’t seem worth it to me. Each to their own I suppose.
Post by: manic-road on August 08, 2018, 02:18:34 PM
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2018, 02:34:35 PM
If Jack is staying this could be a transfer that will end up with him going to Celtic.
Why?
Post by: ajmant on August 08, 2018, 02:35:08 PM
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2018, 02:36:29 PM
FFP for starters.
Why?
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2018, 02:39:11 PM
Transfer fee of £2,100,00 and A four year deal with a weekly wages of £15,000.
For the 2018/19 accounts that is £1,305,000.
We've just received the thick end of £4,000,000. Why is this deal an issue for FFP?
Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 08, 2018, 02:41:27 PM
My guess is we will try bring McGinn in with the understanding jack will be off in January. That’ll give mcginn time to settle in and get up to speed without him necessarily being seen as a like for like replacement for jack
Post by: ajmant on August 08, 2018, 02:45:03 PM
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2018, 03:15:49 PM
Grealish and McGinn do not play in the same position or in the same way. This chap is box to box.
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2018, 03:18:30 PM
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2018, 03:20:36 PM
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2018, 03:21:56 PM
Post by: Whiney MacWhineface on August 08, 2018, 03:35:02 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2018, 03:37:07 PM
Most factoring I've come across only deals with known future income, which is why we've done deals on Westwood, Amavi and Sanchez monies. There was no certainty Traore would be sold and for what when we were scratching around for money. I think.
I assume they could do a cash deal on the clause.
Post by: mr underhill on August 08, 2018, 05:20:15 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 08, 2018, 07:04:32 PM
Post by: andyh on August 08, 2018, 07:22:45 PM
Hasn't Nassef Sawiris asked his accountant to look through the books and apparently said we're good to go without selling Grealish. I think a few days before NSWE bought us I heard a Simon Jordan say the figures going around that Villa needed to find were way off the mark.That’s exactly how I see it.
I think the new guys would have had their best people all over the books and the finances to understand exactly where we are and what we can and cannot do.
I still think the FFP is a real issue but was made to appear much worse by Xia to cover up the fact he hasnt got a pot to piss in.
Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2018, 07:23:53 PM
Post by: themossman on August 08, 2018, 07:25:51 PM
Post by: Eckybloke on August 08, 2018, 07:27:00 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 08, 2018, 07:34:31 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2018, 07:36:38 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2018, 07:37:06 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2018, 07:38:36 PM
“He goes with everyone’s best wishes – he’s been absolutely superb on and off the pitch. He’s a joy to work with and I’ve really enjoyed watching him play."
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 08, 2018, 07:39:12 PM
Welcome John!
Post by: manic-road on August 08, 2018, 07:43:40 PM
Post by: KevinGage on August 08, 2018, 07:44:22 PM
That'll do for me.
So long as he's not kung fu kicking tactics boards and bailing on the club the moment someone disagrees with him.
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2018, 07:44:25 PM
Post by: walsall villain on August 08, 2018, 07:44:39 PM
Post by: dave shelley on August 08, 2018, 07:45:33 PM
Post by: Stu on August 08, 2018, 07:46:05 PM
Post by: four fornicholl on August 08, 2018, 07:47:21 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 08, 2018, 07:47:37 PM
From what people have said and the small clips I've seen he could be a gem.
Yup. It could turn out to be a great bit of business. Hibs fans can't speak highly enough of him.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 08, 2018, 07:47:44 PM
Post by: CT on August 08, 2018, 07:48:57 PM
Post by: Rigadon on August 08, 2018, 07:50:03 PM
Just heard Owen Coyle give him a really glowing reference and it seems the Hibs fans think he's something really special. They also seem pleased he's joining us too.
Anybody but Celtic I'd imagine!
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 08, 2018, 07:50:45 PM
Shades of when Andy Gray joined us
Post by: four fornicholl on August 08, 2018, 07:51:11 PM
Post by: andyh on August 08, 2018, 07:51:37 PM
Bruce’s coaching already kicking in as he said ‘we’ll be there or therabouts’ 3 times in his interview.😂
Welcome John.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2018, 07:55:07 PM
Do we adopt Sunshine on Leith? I think we'd struggle to top that.
We should have agreed that the fee included the transfer of "Sunshine on Leith" to us, and if Tottenham really want Grealish, one of the conditions is that they have to take "On the piss, My Lord" with them.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2018, 07:56:21 PM
Post by: KevinGage on August 08, 2018, 07:57:19 PM
Do we adopt Sunshine on Leith? I think we'd struggle to top that.
We should have agreed that the fee included the transfer of "Sunshine on Leith" to us, and if Tottenham really want Grealish, one of the conditions is that they have to take "On the piss, My Lord" with them.
I hate Tottingham, but I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 08, 2018, 07:57:32 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2018, 07:57:54 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2018, 07:58:46 PM
He's signed. Happy with this. Welcome, John. 😁
I'm worried what is reaction will be when he realises he hasn't signed for Hearts.
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2018, 07:59:09 PM
It's clear from Monday that our midfield needs that drive and bite. We don't need a headless chicken so his range of passing is pleasing.
I don't know much about him, but I'm hopeful. I'm always hopeful.
I just feel like there's some momentum.
New owners
Keeping Jack
Adding quality like Bryan et al
Coming from behind away from home
I just feel very positive at the moment, which when you consider where we were in June is excellent.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2018, 07:59:46 PM
Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2018, 08:02:00 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2018, 08:05:46 PM
I don't know a thing about him except Hibs fans are absolutely gutted.
You know more than me then! But sounds promising.
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2018, 08:06:59 PM
Why have Villa made his first interview look like he's been taken hostage though?!
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2018, 08:07:22 PM
Post by: Tuscans on August 08, 2018, 08:09:08 PM
If we do keep hold of Jack I think these 2 could compliment each other quite nicely....a lot better than Conor or Glenn can.From what people have said and the small clips I've seen he could be a gem.
Yup. It could turn out to be a great bit of business. Hibs fans can't speak highly enough of him.
Post by: DB on August 08, 2018, 08:13:28 PM
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2018, 08:15:55 PM
Post by: Walmley_Villa on August 08, 2018, 08:18:53 PM
Post by: OCD on August 08, 2018, 08:19:54 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 08, 2018, 08:21:05 PM
I don't know a thing about him except Hibs fans are absolutely gutted.
You know more than me then! But sounds promising.
Hibs fans referring to him as a 'legend'. Almost everyone wishing him well and quite a few have now decided for the first time they an "English club" to support.
Also mentioned that despite an undisclosed fee, there are rumours of a additional £2m promotion fee if and when we go up.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2018, 08:23:46 PM
I don't know why, but I haven't been this excited about a signing for a while. He looks young, talented and hungry, and exactly what we need to supplement Jack in the centre of midfield.
Why have Villa made his first interview look like he's been taken hostage though?!
With Celtic lurking maybe we had to capture him to get him to sign. He looks like he hasn't seen daylight in a couple of days and hasn't eaten. Hungry is probably accurate.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2018, 08:24:00 PM
Someone might need to chip in a bit to help out, say £1,999,998.
Post by: villadelph on August 08, 2018, 08:25:29 PM
Hibs fans love him and send him with their best wishes which is a great sign. As I posted on the JG thread the disillusioned Jack Grealish is liking the AV Official Instagram photos of the signing???
Lots of Hibs fans on Facebook saying he's the real deal and wishing him luck.. that's promising.
Post by: ajmant on August 08, 2018, 08:27:39 PM
Post by: OCD on August 08, 2018, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2018, 08:33:55 PM
Post by: oldtimernow on August 08, 2018, 08:35:24 PM
Post by: Matt Collins on August 08, 2018, 08:35:34 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on August 08, 2018, 08:37:19 PM
Before some bright spark asks how Packie knows what Brending is thinking, I would like to proffer a preemptive "for cough".
What a great day to be a Villa fan!
Post by: The Edge on August 08, 2018, 08:38:35 PM
Just a couple of weeks ago we were staring into the financial abyss thanks to the shenanigans of Dr X and co. Today we have told Daniel "the vulture" Levy to shove his 25mill up his arse and we've outbid a huge club like Celtic to land the signature of a very promising young talent from Scotland. In light of recent developments it's a momentous day for Aston Villa Football Club. Welcome John Mcginn to our illustrious club. Massive thanks to the new owners. Can't fookin wait for Saturday.If we do keep hold of Jack I think these 2 could compliment each other quite nicely....a lot better than Conor or Glenn can.From what people have said and the small clips I've seen he could be a gem.
Yup. It could turn out to be a great bit of business. Hibs fans can't speak highly enough of him.
Post by: OCD on August 08, 2018, 08:42:01 PM
The Express says that Packie Bonner says that Brendan Rogers will be fuming. Fuckin A.
Before some bright spark asks how Packie knows what Brending is thinking, I would like to proffer a preemptive "for cough".
What a great day to be a Villa fan!
He probably is fuming - at their board. They could have had the deal done ages ago but quibbled over pennies. I imagine Pocchetino is probably feeling a similar way with Levy.
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 08, 2018, 08:55:36 PM
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 08, 2018, 09:06:33 PM
Post by: mr underhill on August 08, 2018, 09:09:36 PM
Post by: Broughty-Villian on August 08, 2018, 09:19:42 PM
Post by: Ad@m on August 08, 2018, 09:50:20 PM
Aren't we in danger of making the same mistake of the last two owners and trying to buy success whilst ignoring our youth set up?
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2018, 09:52:44 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2018, 09:55:53 PM
Not really. There’s a balance to be struck and you can’t place sole reliance on youth. If a young player is good enough they’ll come through.
Once Steve Bruce is sacked.
Post by: Matt Collins on August 08, 2018, 09:56:00 PM
But I agree would be great if we can shift out Lansbury, Gardner, Taylor etc
Post by: b23 on August 08, 2018, 10:14:44 PM
The Express says that Packie Bonner says that Brendan Rogers will be fuming. Fuckin A.
Before some bright spark asks how Packie knows what Brending is thinking, I would like to proffer a preemptive "for cough".
What a great day to be a Villa fan!
He probably is fuming - at their board. They could have had the deal done ages ago but quibbled over pennies. I imagine Pocchetino is probably feeling a similar way with Levy.
Further explanation ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45112506
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 08, 2018, 11:18:50 PM
The Express says that Packie Bonner says that Brendan Rogers will be fuming. Fuckin A.
Before some bright spark asks how Packie knows what Brending is thinking, I would like to proffer a preemptive "for cough".
What a great day to be a Villa fan!
He probably is fuming - at their board. They could have had the deal done ages ago but quibbled over pennies. I imagine Pocchetino is probably feeling a similar way with Levy.
Further explanation ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45112506
He’s a full-back though.
Post by: littleoldme on August 08, 2018, 11:22:33 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 08, 2018, 11:30:40 PM
Do we adopt Sunshine on Leith? I think we'd struggle to top that.
My youngest would love it!
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 08, 2018, 11:31:20 PM
I don't know a thing about him except Hibs fans are absolutely gutted.
You know more than me then! But sounds promising.
Hibs fans referring to him as a 'legend'. Almost everyone wishing him well and quite a few have now decided for the first time they an "English club" to support.
Also mentioned that despite an undisclosed fee, there are rumours of a additional £2m promotion fee if and when we go up.
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Post by: OCD on August 08, 2018, 11:33:00 PM
The Express says that Packie Bonner says that Brendan Rogers will be fuming. Fuckin A.
Before some bright spark asks how Packie knows what Brending is thinking, I would like to proffer a preemptive "for cough".
What a great day to be a Villa fan!
He probably is fuming - at their board. They could have had the deal done ages ago but quibbled over pennies. I imagine Pocchetino is probably feeling a similar way with Levy.
Further explanation ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45112506
He’s a full-back though.
And ironically would be perfect for us if Bryan has gone to Fulham.
With the article, I assume the lower part of the article is the relevant bit as it basically said what I had said.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 08, 2018, 11:34:45 PM
Good fill in for Snoddy and someone who can understand Hutton perhaps
He is going to piss over the rest of our midfield. Stoke flogging Adam to Liverpool comes to mind. He can play (as affirmed by a Motherwell season ticket holder I know).
Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2018, 11:35:46 PM
Post by: OCD on August 08, 2018, 11:45:50 PM
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2018, 11:47:32 PM
Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2018, 11:49:13 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on August 08, 2018, 11:52:41 PM
I know a couple of hibs fans and from what they've said, and the videos I can find I think he's the player we all want Thor to be. Works his balls off, tenacious in defence but has a decent passing game and a good shot on him. If it were up to me I spend a few months slowly bringing him on to replace Jedi/Whelan. I still want us to give game time to the kids though (once more, I think Jack Clarke could be a fantastic player in a few years) but I'd be much happier bringing them in alongside someone like McGinn than expecting them to run for Jedi or Whelan.
Looks more of an attacking midfielder to me Paul from the clips I have seen. Despite his goals last season, I didn't think Hourihane's all round game was good enough and hope that McGinn will challenge for his place.
Think the kid will need time to settle and expectations should be adjusted accordingly.
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 08, 2018, 11:53:14 PM
VERY happy about this signing. I just hope our lot stick with him and don't expect miracles straight away
Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2018, 12:08:14 AM
I know a couple of hibs fans and from what they've said, and the videos I can find I think he's the player we all want Thor to be. Works his balls off, tenacious in defence but has a decent passing game and a good shot on him. If it were up to me I spend a few months slowly bringing him on to replace Jedi/Whelan. I still want us to give game time to the kids though (once more, I think Jack Clarke could be a fantastic player in a few years) but I'd be much happier bringing them in alongside someone like McGinn than expecting them to run for Jedi or Whelan.
Looks more of an attacking midfielder to me Paul from the clips I have seen. Despite his goals last season, I didn't think Hourihane's all round game was good enough and hope that McGinn will challenge for his place.
Think the kid will need time to settle and expectations should be adjusted accordingly.
I think he has played more attacking but I suspect he'll have to move deeper to be successful in the championship and with his mobility and shot he could easily play a little deeper and be in place for the 2nd ball and get plenty of chances.
I think we need to start concentrating on adding pace, technical skill and mobility to the team and by getting him to replace Whelan/Jedi you add loads of extra pace with the only loss being Jedi's aerial ability (and you'd bring him in for games where that's going to be helpful). There aren't many teams in the league with an 8 or 10 who'd worry me to the point where we need the extra man sitting in so we can afford to look at a '1 stay 1 go' setup in midfield, Maybe with McGinn and Thor together (but then looking at getting the kids involved as well).
Post by: Matt Collins on August 09, 2018, 04:40:23 AM
He looks more of an 8 than a 6 so I agree he may compete with hourihane especially if he's got a better all round game
But perhaps Bruce does think he can hold midfield.
Post by: b23 on August 09, 2018, 08:55:17 AM
The Express says that Packie Bonner says that Brendan Rogers will be fuming. Fuckin A.
Before some bright spark asks how Packie knows what Brending is thinking, I would like to proffer a preemptive "for cough".
What a great day to be a Villa fan!
He probably is fuming - at their board. They could have had the deal done ages ago but quibbled over pennies. I imagine Pocchetino is probably feeling a similar way with Levy.
Further explanation ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45112506
He’s a full-back though.
And ironically would be perfect for us if Bryan has gone to Fulham.
With the article, I assume the lower part of the article is the relevant bit as it basically said what I had said.
Yes. The last three paragraphs.
Post by: Smithy on August 09, 2018, 09:05:30 AM
"Gutted! He's bloody brilliant mate! Can do everything. He won't be the best attacking, creative or defensive midfielder in the league, but he might be the best midfielder at doing a bit of all three. A bit like a young Roy Keane (but not that level yet, obviously). He can also run all day long. He'll make your team better, nae bother."
In a follow-up he said he doesn't really "boss" games like Keane, as the guy pulling the strings most of the time for Hibs last season was McGeouch, who has just joined Sunderland on a free. McGinn definitely the better all-round player though.
Post by: Risso on August 09, 2018, 09:47:23 AM
Almost everyone plays with a holding midfielder nowadays
He looks more of an 8 than a 6 so I agree he may compete with hourihane especially if he's got a better all round game
But perhaps Bruce does think he can hold midfield.
I really hope he's going to play the Whelan/Jedinak role. The problem with playing with either of the two older players is that as good as they are at reading the game and breaking up play, as soon as you want to launch a quick counterattack you're effectively playing with 10 men. It's what Onomah SHOULD have been doing last year, but hope that this lad can be the upgrade we need.
Post by: lovejoy on August 09, 2018, 10:03:15 AM
Post by: auntiesledd on August 09, 2018, 10:04:58 AM
Post by: footyskillz on August 09, 2018, 11:28:52 AM
Really apparent needs drive and legs and this guy can go with it and give much needed dynamism
Post by: andyh on August 09, 2018, 12:03:36 PM
https://twitter.com/euan_wishart/status/1027276662579376128?s=12
Post by: D.boy on August 09, 2018, 12:14:27 PM
Post by: auntiesledd on August 10, 2018, 10:04:09 AM
Can someone translate that please.
;)
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 10, 2018, 10:34:48 AM
Post by: boozey182 on August 10, 2018, 11:04:34 AM
It's been a long time since we've had a midfielder that can run, tackle, pass and shoot. Would be great if he can do the work of Whelan and Hourihane to free up a space for some more energy and creativity.
Post by: Drummond on August 10, 2018, 12:36:15 PM
Substitute 'He's Alan Stubbs' man' with something more relevant and it would be nice to stick with it.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 10, 2018, 12:59:00 PM
Can someone translate that please.
;)
Love it.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2018, 02:06:00 PM
I like that song for him too.
Substitute 'He's Alan Stubbs' man' with something more relevant and it would be nice to stick with it.
'He's now a Villa man'.
Post by: Tuscans on August 10, 2018, 02:08:57 PM
I like that song for him too.That will do nicely.
Substitute 'He's Alan Stubbs' man' with something more relevant and it would be nice to stick with it.
'He's now a Villa man'.
Post by: D.boy on August 10, 2018, 02:38:52 PM
that works wellI like that song for him too.That will do nicely.
Substitute 'He's Alan Stubbs' man' with something more relevant and it would be nice to stick with it.
'He's now a Villa man'.
Post by: Drummond on August 10, 2018, 03:50:29 PM
I just don’t think you understand,
He’s now a Villa man,
He’s better than Zidane,
We’ve got Super John McGinn,
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 10, 2018, 04:40:18 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on August 10, 2018, 04:52:39 PM
We’ve got McGinn, Super John McGinn,
I just don’t think you understand,
He’s now a Villa man,
He’s better than Zidane,
We’ve got Super John McGinn,
As noted, there seems such well wishing to him and us from Hibs fans I think adapting their song would feel right too.
Post by: Iamkmkm on August 10, 2018, 05:06:35 PM
Can someone translate that please.
;)
Love it.
Better than zidane?? Blimey what a bargain
Post by: Ad@m on August 10, 2018, 05:32:44 PM
Post by: john e on August 10, 2018, 06:31:24 PM
Yep, except they mean Zidane now.
would probably still be a bargain
Post by: Steve67 on August 10, 2018, 08:58:03 PM
Post by: Malandro on August 10, 2018, 09:08:47 PM
Perhaps it gives him greater vision.
I'm very optimistic, however, fans are very good judge of character.
Post by: Louzie0 on August 10, 2018, 09:17:03 PM
Post by: Malandro on August 10, 2018, 09:21:58 PM
Not sure there are plans to replace the floodlights, TheMalandro.
😀
Post by: Hibby Villa on August 11, 2018, 12:27:50 AM
I lost interest in English football when Sky ruined it with too much money and have only taken an interest in my beloved Hibs over the past few years.
Anyway I just wanted to add to the thread that you have got a fantastic player in John McGinn. He is a box to box midfielder who has managed to add goals to his game over the last season. He scored the goal which sent us through in the last round of the Europa League.
Wins tackles, holds onto the ball when he has no right and will add a real energy to your midfield. You are very lucky to have got him for the money quoted.
He has started to establish himself in the Scotland team and is generally seen as the natural successor to Scotty Brown for Scotland. He has been named as man of the match for 2 of his 9 caps.
I really look forward to seeing him develop with you. Apart from that he is a lovely guy, very level headed and a credit to his family. He will work his balls off to be a success.
On a separate note I remember both soldier ((Alex Cropley) and Des Bremner playing for both Hibs and Villa. I think as much of them as you guys do. Alex lives near me and has had a few health problems which have stopped him driving his taxi. He is in pretty good shape though and is another lovely guy.
Be looking out for your result tomorrow. Think your game on Tuesday is on Sky so hope to see SJM playing. Great idea to keep his song though you can’t get Sunshine on Villa. It just won’t work!
Post by: villan from luton on August 11, 2018, 12:40:14 AM
Great comments re John McGinn and he sure seems a great bargain. You Hibs fans are brilliant, my mate sent me a video after you beat Rangers in the final re Sunshine on leith and brilliant the lads singing it love your club. Me and the lad coming up for hibs game this season and mate coming down to see SJM. If you fancy meeting up when in Edinburgh for a beer great
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 11, 2018, 12:45:45 AM
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Post by: adrenachrome on August 11, 2018, 01:14:02 AM
Best wishes to you for the season.
Post by: olaftab on August 11, 2018, 01:30:15 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2018, 03:37:58 AM
On a separate note I remember both soldier ((Alex Cropley) and Des Bremner playing for both Hibs and Villa. I think as much of them as you guys do. Alex lives near me and has had a few health problems which have stopped him driving his taxi. He is in pretty good shape though and is another lovely guy.
Hibby, if you ever see him, send him our love.
Post by: JD on August 11, 2018, 04:26:23 AM
Post by: dave shelley on August 11, 2018, 08:22:54 AM
Reading the new Irving Welsh book and John McGinnis gets a few mentions.
It's McGinn JD, autocorrect gone mad again? I can see we're going to have a Clark/Clarke with this one.
Thanks for the post Hibby and the best of luck to you and your club for the future. I like Hibs, Rebus supports them.
Des Bremner is one of life's true gentlemen, treated me with absolute respect when I met him.
Post by: footyskillz on August 11, 2018, 08:24:40 AM
Post by: Matt Collins on August 11, 2018, 09:08:20 AM
Reading the new Irving Welsh book and John McGinnis gets a few mentions.
He does look very Scottish. And under nourished
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 11, 2018, 09:34:42 AM
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 09:49:09 AM
Hi guys. First time poster. One of the many Hibs supporters who have adopted Villa as my English team. Used to look out for Villa when I had family who lived in Warwick and rejoiced in your league and European Cup wins.
I lost interest in English football when Sky ruined it with too much money and have only taken an interest in my beloved Hibs over the past few years.
Anyway I just wanted to add to the thread that you have got a fantastic player in John McGinn. He is a box to box midfielder who has managed to add goals to his game over the last season. He scored the goal which sent us through in the last round of the Europa League.
Wins tackles, holds onto the ball when he has no right and will add a real energy to your midfield. You are very lucky to have got him for the money quoted.
He has started to establish himself in the Scotland team and is generally seen as the natural successor to Scotty Brown for Scotland. He has been named as man of the match for 2 of his 9 caps.
I really look forward to seeing him develop with you. Apart from that he is a lovely guy, very level headed and a credit to his family. He will work his balls off to be a success.
On a separate note I remember both soldier ((Alex Cropley) and Des Bremner playing for both Hibs and Villa. I think as much of them as you guys do. Alex lives near me and has had a few health problems which have stopped him driving his taxi. He is in pretty good shape though and is another lovely guy.
Be looking out for your result tomorrow. Think your game on Tuesday is on Sky so hope to see SJM playing. Great idea to keep his song though you can’t get Sunshine on Villa. It just won’t work!
The Hibs fans all over Twitter have been great. Here's hoping McGinn lives up to his promise down here, and if he put in even half the effort he did for you, the Villa fans will love him. Good luck for the season mate, I'll be keeping half an eye on your results. If you're going to watch our highlights to see how he gets on though, be prepared for the fact that it'll look like he's playing for Hearts. Sorry about that.
Post by: Hibby Villa on August 11, 2018, 10:14:54 AM
Scottish football isn’t as bad as it is made out to be by the English press. Though like English football there are some poor games Sure he can make the step up to the championship.
Looking forward to seeing how SJM performs today. Remember to give him time but you will see enough to know that you have a player.
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2018, 10:36:34 AM
Thanks for the warm welcome. Did notice the shirt had moved on from the classic style but it is not quite bloody turd coloured like the Hearts one.
Scottish football isn’t as bad as it is made out to be by the English press. Though like English football there are some poor games Sure he can make the step up to the championship.
Looking forward to seeing how SJM performs today. Remember to give him time but you will see enough to know that you have a player.
Without wanting to get too matey, your cup final win over the zombies was my favourite non-villa football thing in yonks, despite it costing me about £300 in data charges on my phone in Zagreb.
Post by: mr underhill on August 11, 2018, 10:44:45 AM
Post by: JD on August 11, 2018, 11:14:56 AM
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 11, 2018, 11:34:21 AM
Post by: dave shelley on August 11, 2018, 11:42:16 AM
Also on the Hibs link, I have fond memories of Willie Hamilton - an attacking midfielder we signed from them in 65. Only stayed a couple of years and sadly died young.
A real blast from the past Woofles. Liked a drink I believe. I'm not too sure about my recollection of this but I know we were on one of the very first MOTD's about 1964 when it was broadcast on the newly formed BBC 2, Willie scored what today we call a worldy, the opposition I can't remember, 'Boro comes to mind. It was a real beauty.
Me and the old man couldn't wait for MOD that night, it was on early IIRC, the problem was BBC 2 reception was bit hit and miss in our maisonette and we couldn't tune it in that evening so have never seen it since. It would be interesting to find out if the BBC have it archived.
RIP Willie.
Post by: malckennedy on August 11, 2018, 11:59:58 AM
Post by: dave shelley on August 11, 2018, 12:05:39 PM
Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).
I don't think it would work Mal. Leith is Leith. We need something like Sunshine on Saltley or Helianthus in Harborne.
Post by: Damo70 on August 11, 2018, 12:13:27 PM
Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).
I don't think it would work Mal. Leith is Leith. We need something like Sunshine on Saltley or Helianthus in Harborne.
We could have a summer and a winter song. A Scorcher In Aston and Wet In Witton. Or maybe even Pissing Down In Perry Barr.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 11, 2018, 12:14:13 PM
If McGinn can help end a 114 year drought, our 62 year drought should be a piece of piss.
Post by: Damo70 on August 11, 2018, 12:18:17 PM
Post by: malckennedy on August 11, 2018, 12:18:45 PM
Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).
I don't think it would work Mal. Leith is Leith. We need something like Sunshine on Saltley or Helianthus in Harborne.
Yeah, that’s the bit I meant when I said in the main. Pity it’s the central part of the song!
I was just thinking we could overlook that! Or even sing “sunshine on me” for that part?
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 11, 2018, 01:40:36 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2018, 01:46:17 PM
Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).
I don't think it would work Mal. Leith is Leith. We need something like Sunshine on Saltley or Helianthus in Harborne.
Yeah, that’s the bit I meant when I said in the main. Pity it’s the central part of the song!
I was just thinking we could overlook that! Or even sing “sunshine on me” for that part?
Just checked McGinn's height, the same as the other Hibs legend, Alex Cropley..
Five foot eight
Not much weight
John McGinn is fcuking great
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2018, 01:46:44 PM
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 01:52:28 PM
You’ll not see nothing like John McGinn
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 11, 2018, 01:57:06 PM
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 02:03:01 PM
His name is John McGinn, John McGinnnnnnn
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 11, 2018, 02:06:52 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 11, 2018, 02:20:54 PM
Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).
I love that youtube clip after the cup final of the Hibs fans singing that. Awesome.
Ever since I have wanted to get up there for the Edinburgh derby. I think Pat Nevin said it is the most atmospheric derby in football. He's played in the liverpool and london derbies, so knows a thing or two.
Post by: Ger Regan on August 11, 2018, 04:50:17 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2018, 04:59:42 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2018, 05:10:35 PM
Post by: chrisf on August 11, 2018, 05:14:58 PM
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 05:16:18 PM
With delivery like that, we need Hogan back ASAP.
I quite like being 2nd in the league though.
Post by: themossman on August 11, 2018, 05:16:28 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 11, 2018, 05:17:52 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2018, 05:19:30 PM
Sounds like his set plays were great. Seems to be the midfielder I thought Hourihane was going to be.
Let’s see him score double figures in goals before we compare them. Hourihane has plenty of positives in his game the McGinn might not have. They are very different players.
Post by: KevinGage on August 11, 2018, 05:20:48 PM
Pat Nevin's just given a glowing endorsement of McGinn on 5 Live, declaring him one of the signings of the summer. He reckons he's one of only two Scottish Prem players who would walk into an English Premier League side, never mind a Championship one (Tierney being the other? I think that's who he said, never heard of him but I'm guessing he plays for Celtic). He says he's brilliant and it's a great bit of business from Villa. Nice to hear. Hope he's right.
Tierney is good. Linked with Liverpool and Arsenal in the summer for circa £15 million.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2018, 05:20:58 PM
Sounds like his set plays were great. Seems to be the midfielder I thought Hourihane was going to be.
Let’s see him score double figures in goals before we compare them. Hourihane has plenty of positives in his game the McGinn might not have. They are very different players.
Indeed, one of them isn't anonymous if he doesn't score.
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 05:27:55 PM
Post by: oldtimernow on August 11, 2018, 05:31:24 PM
Best debut for a while.
reminds me of Deeno in some ways.
Post by: four fornicholl on August 11, 2018, 05:33:23 PM
Excellent debut and everything we were led to believe. Seems to have graft and ability in equal measure. I think he and Grealish will like playing in the same team.So that's Bremner and Cowans positions sorted, we're on our way back! ;)
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2018, 05:38:10 PM
Sounds like his set plays were great. Seems to be the midfielder I thought Hourihane was going to be.
Let’s see him score double figures in goals before we compare them. Hourihane has plenty of positives in his game the McGinn might not have. They are very different players.
Indeed, one of them isn't anonymous if he doesn't score.
My point remains though. Two entirely different types of player. We need to find someone to replace those goals as we can’t keep relying on defenders, defensive midfielders and own goals. I’m not saying at all I’d prefer Hourihane over McGinn. The opposite on the evidence of today. I’m just saying it’s great we have both but if McGinn plays more he has chip in too and as he did today create for others.
Post by: OCD on August 11, 2018, 05:57:06 PM
Best debut for a while.
reminds me of Deeno in some ways.
I thought the same.
Post by: Villafirst on August 11, 2018, 05:58:05 PM
Best debut for a while.
reminds me of Deeno in some ways.
And Carbone!
Post by: Rigadon on August 11, 2018, 05:58:37 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 11, 2018, 06:11:03 PM
I saw the Deano likeness, but somewhat alarmingly later in the game, I caught a glimpse and my brain went, "shit, Westwood's back". It was the way he was standing, probably. He wasn't pointing or anything.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2018, 06:13:12 PM
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 06:43:34 PM
Sounds like his set plays were great. Seems to be the midfielder I thought Hourihane was going to be.
Let’s see him score double figures in goals before we compare them. Hourihane has plenty of positives in his game the McGinn might not have. They are very different players.
Indeed, one of them isn't anonymous if he doesn't score.
My point remains though. Two entirely different types of player. We need to find someone to replace those goals as we can’t keep relying on defenders, defensive midfielders and own goals. I’m not saying at all I’d prefer Hourihane over McGinn. The opposite on the evidence of today. I’m just saying it’s great we have both but if McGinn plays more he has chip in too and as he did today create for others.
He had that absolute blast of a shot from about 30 yards in the first half, that had it been a few inches to the right would have flown past the keeper and into the net. I think this lad will chip in with his fair share.
Post by: andyh on August 11, 2018, 06:45:31 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 11, 2018, 07:15:45 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 11, 2018, 07:20:29 PM
Post by: four fornicholl on August 11, 2018, 07:25:18 PM
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 11, 2018, 07:25:42 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2018, 07:30:20 PM
The only person he can possibly remind you of is Des Bremner!!! In my eyes anyway.
I remember in Holman's first few games people were saying he played like Des Bremner so important to keep calm as we've seen many players look amazing on their debut and then fade into obscurity.
Looking forward to watching McGinn though, he sounds like everything I expect Hourihane to be.
Post by: achilles on August 11, 2018, 07:30:42 PM
Great set pieces, plus a gorgeous cross for Kodjia (who completely muffed it) just before Wigan's second.
He also put in a superb whipped low cross in the first half but surprise, surprise nobody was there (Hogan would love him).
This guy is going to be awesome, premier quality already, absolutely superb debut!
Hope Hibs have a sell on clause because he will eventually go for big money!
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 07:35:59 PM
The only person he can possibly remind you of is Des Bremner!!! In my eyes anyway.
I remember in Holman's first few games people were saying he played like Des Bremner so important to keep calm as we've seen many players look amazing on their debut and then fade into obscurity.
Looking forward to watching McGinn though, he sounds like everything I expect Hourihane to be.
I don’t recall anybody saying that Holman was anything other than total garbage, which he was.
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2018, 07:46:17 PM
The only person he can possibly remind you of is Des Bremner!!! In my eyes anyway.
I remember in Holman's first few games people were saying he played like Des Bremner so important to keep calm as we've seen many players look amazing on their debut and then fade into obscurity.
Looking forward to watching McGinn though, he sounds like everything I expect Hourihane to be.
I don’t recall anybody saying that Holman was anything other than total garbage, which he was.
Holman was o.k first few games away to Newcastle and West Brom although that was more due to him running around like a maniac than any quality on the ball as we saw later!
One of best villa debuts I can remember was Baros, looked like a world class striker but he quickly declined.
Post by: LukeJames on August 11, 2018, 07:47:39 PM
Post by: Damo70 on August 11, 2018, 07:55:32 PM
Reminded me of Steve McMahon a bit
Steve McMahon was one of my favourite Villa players in his couple of years with us when I was a kid. A few years later I was engaged to a girl who's younger brother was a youngster at Swindon and met McMahon, who was Swindon manager at the time at an end of season awards presentation. He was a right miserable c**t.
Post by: Colhint on August 11, 2018, 08:12:41 PM
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Post by: jcsutv on August 11, 2018, 08:35:31 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2018, 08:36:22 PM
Sounds like his set plays were great. Seems to be the midfielder I thought Hourihane was going to be.
Let’s see him score double figures in goals before we compare them. Hourihane has plenty of positives in his game the McGinn might not have. They are very different players.
Indeed, one of them isn't anonymous if he doesn't score.
My point remains though. Two entirely different types of player. We need to find someone to replace those goals as we can’t keep relying on defenders, defensive midfielders and own goals. I’m not saying at all I’d prefer Hourihane over McGinn. The opposite on the evidence of today. I’m just saying it’s great we have both but if McGinn plays more he has chip in too and as he did today create for others.
He had that absolute blast of a shot from about 30 yards in the first half, that had it been a few inches to the right would have flown past the keeper and into the net. I think this lad will chip in with his fair share.
I hope so Risso. He’s not afraid to have a go at players or shoot which I absolutely love.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 11, 2018, 08:39:56 PM
Post by: dave shelley on August 11, 2018, 08:40:56 PM
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2018, 08:51:31 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 11, 2018, 09:18:12 PM
Reminded me of Steve McMahon a bit
Steve McMahon was one of my favourite Villa players in his couple of years with us when I was a kid. A few years later I was engaged to a girl who's younger brother was a youngster at Swindon and met McMahon, who was Swindon manager at the time at an end of season awards presentation. He was a right miserable c**t.
Mine too. I remember him being sent off at Anfield after Souness did him.
Shame about when you met him....I'm going to pretend that never happened !
Edit : maybe it was just being Swindon manager ....
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 11, 2018, 09:34:16 PM
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 11, 2018, 09:42:35 PM
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 09:47:40 PM
He was fantastic. Looks a bit like Alpay from a distance in that all claret shirt. Set pieces are quality and he clearly has an eye for goal. I said to the bloke next to me I reckon he'll be our player of the season by the end of it.
Who looks like Alpay?! Our new skinny, white as a sheet 5 foot nothing midfielder?!
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 11, 2018, 09:50:43 PM
Should have gone to SpecsaversHe was fantastic. Looks a bit like Alpay from a distance in that all claret shirt. Set pieces are quality and he clearly has an eye for goal. I said to the bloke next to me I reckon he'll be our player of the season by the end of it.
Who looks like Alpay?! Our new skinny, white as a sheet 5 foot nothing midfielder?!
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 11, 2018, 09:54:34 PM
Should have gone to SpecsaversHe was fantastic. Looks a bit like Alpay from a distance in that all claret shirt. Set pieces are quality and he clearly has an eye for goal. I said to the bloke next to me I reckon he'll be our player of the season by the end of it.
Who looks like Alpay?! Our new skinny, white as a sheet 5 foot nothing midfielder?!
Just the shoulders and shortish dark hair reminded me of Alpay. Obviously facially they very different.
Post by: KRS on August 11, 2018, 09:58:45 PM
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 11, 2018, 10:23:00 PM
I love Villa, I really like Hibs, McGinn is wonderful. I didn’t see it because I’m in Turkish Cyprus with no wi-fi. I know how to holiday.
Post by: WarszaVillan on August 11, 2018, 10:33:39 PM
Post by: Villafirst on August 11, 2018, 11:06:57 PM
Great set pieces, plus a gorgeous cross for Kodjia (who completely muffed it) just before Wigan's second.
He also put in a superb whipped low cross in the first half but surprise, surprise nobody was there (Hogan would love him).
This guy is going to be awesome, premier quality already, absolutely superb debut!
Hope Hibs have a sell on clause because he will eventually go for big money!
Sounds defeatist. We have to build the team around him and Jack. These new owners are not here to mess around. We're talking Man City type wealth...
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 11, 2018, 11:11:26 PM
This is some list of players he's been compared to: Bremner, Cropley, Birchy, (Steve and Pat) Mcmahon, Deano, Carbone, Milner, Westwood (wtf?), Alpay, GardnerHe reminds me of Gary Thompson.
Post by: olaftab on August 11, 2018, 11:39:43 PM
If that fat c*** Wyness hadn’t fucked everything up it could’ve been Sunshine on Keith.Don’t knock cheap😊
I love Villa, I really like Hibs, McGinn is wonderful. I didn’t see it because I’m in Turkish Cyprus with no wi-fi. I know how to holiday.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 11, 2018, 11:45:52 PM
If that fat c*** Wyness hadn’t fucked everything up it could’ve been Sunshine on Keith.Don’t knock cheap😊
I love Villa, I really like Hibs, McGinn is wonderful. I didn’t see it because I’m in Turkish Cyprus with no wi-fi. I know how to holiday.
FUCKING cheap!
Post by: eamonn on August 11, 2018, 11:51:08 PM
This is some list of players he's been compared to: Bremner, Cropley, Birchy, (Steve and Pat) Mcmahon, Deano, Carbone, Milner, Westwood (wtf?), Alpay, Gardner
I'm bracing myself for the mention of a player I was too young to, er, appreciate - Bernie Gallacccher.
Post by: mcgrath_85 on August 12, 2018, 12:12:04 AM
What a bargain if that continues! We haven’t had many of them!
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2018, 01:43:39 AM
Post by: villadelph on August 12, 2018, 01:49:46 AM
I'm not getting too carried away, he was good though. Very much like a young Pele.
Woah, let's not get too ahead of ourselves.. he appears to be Scholes at best.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on August 12, 2018, 02:47:31 AM
This is some list of players he's been compared to: Bremner, Cropley, Birchy, (Steve and Pat) Mcmahon, Deano, Carbone, Milner, Westwood (wtf?), Alpay, GardnerHe reminds me of Gary Thompson.
A Chinese Ian Ormondroyd was my first thought.
Post by: robbo1874 on August 12, 2018, 03:34:19 AM
This is some list of players he's been compared to: Bremner, Cropley, Birchy, (Steve and Pat) Mcmahon, Deano, Carbone, Milner, Westwood (wtf?), Alpay, Gardnerall pretty decent players on that list - Westwood a bit lightweight though...
Post by: Dave P on August 12, 2018, 07:05:39 AM
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Post by: footyskillz on August 12, 2018, 10:38:56 AM
Yes it's not my money but there is satisfaction in getting value for money after the McCormick debacle! Hogan jurys half out but the point of not spending big and getting a performer .
Lansbury hasn't proved that hourihane for value for goals has been well.
Post by: thick_mike on August 12, 2018, 10:48:42 AM
All positive signs. I think he could form a great partnership with Grealish, but they will have to work out how it’s going to work between them. It will give the opposition a headache if they have to try to mark two creative midfielders out of the game.
Post by: Hibby Villa on August 12, 2018, 11:11:32 AM
Sounds like you were all impressed with SJM though. Sure he will keep up the good form.
Well done on being top of the league. Must come down sometime to here Super John McGinn sung in a Brummie accent!
Off to see my Hibs in Perth today. I will look out for him on Tuesday in your league cup match.
Post by: thick_mike on August 12, 2018, 11:41:31 AM
Didn’t see any of the match as channel 5 don’t cover the Championship any more.
Sounds like you were all impressed with SJM though. Sure he will keep up the good form.
Well done on being top of the league. Must come down sometime to here Super John McGinn sung in a Brummie accent!
Off to see my Hibs in Perth today. I will look out for him on Tuesday in your league cup match.
EFL highlights are on Quest TV on freeview (ch37 I think).
Highlights are linked on this board under match highlights thread.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2018, 02:58:24 PM
https://www.questod.co.uk/show/efl-on-quest
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 12, 2018, 03:34:17 PM
MOTM
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 12, 2018, 07:56:49 PM
Post by: Hibby Villa on August 12, 2018, 08:10:39 PM
Post by: CT on August 12, 2018, 09:19:54 PM
Didn’t see any of the match as channel 5 don’t cover the Championship any more.
Sounds like you were all impressed with SJM though. Sure he will keep up the good form.
Well done on being top of the league. Must come down sometime to here Super John McGinn sung in a Brummie accent!
Off to see my Hibs in Perth today. I will look out for him on Tuesday in your league cup match.
Hugely impressed. When we got the free kick, i mentioned it was the sort of area we would miss Snodgrass' delivery. I said "let's see what sort of left foot he has" - and got a great answer!!
Love him chasing and harrying back if he's lost the ball and that crunching tackle down by the corner of the Holte.
Add to the list of very impressive Villa debuts. Mind you, Carlton Cole played well in his first game....
Post by: Gary Penrice on August 12, 2018, 09:53:56 PM
Post by: jcsutv on August 12, 2018, 10:01:23 PM
Didn’t see any of the match as channel 5 don’t cover the Championship any more.
Sounds like you were all impressed with SJM though. Sure he will keep up the good form.
Well done on being top of the league. Must come down sometime to here Super John McGinn sung in a Brummie accent!
Off to see my Hibs in Perth today. I will look out for him on Tuesday in your league cup match.
Hugely impressed. When we got the free kick, i mentioned it was the sort of area we would miss Snodgrass' delivery. I said "let's see what sort of left foot he has" - and got a great answer!!
Love him chasing and harrying back if he's lost the ball and that crunching tackle down by the corner of the Holte.
Add to the list of very impressive Villa debuts. Mind you, Carlton Cole played well in his first game....
Agree with that. I said to my Dad he looked like an upgrade to Snoddy. I love Snoddy and his left foot too. Would like them in the same team.
Post by: AV82EC on August 12, 2018, 10:09:11 PM
Anyway can I welcome McGinn and was very impressed with his debut, more to come I think and good set piece and crossing ability.
Post by: Comrade Blitz on August 12, 2018, 10:10:27 PM
Have we finished with the fucking Hibee love in yet. As one of I think a rare few Hearts fans on here I think I’ve got some sick in my mouth.
Anyway can I welcome McGinn and was very impressed with his debut, more to come I think and good set piece and crossing ability.
I like Hearts too
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 12, 2018, 10:14:28 PM
Post by: AV82EC on August 12, 2018, 10:16:00 PM
I don't mind them, but not sure why we have chosen to play in their shirts this season. Hibs are a great bunch of lads, though, for their ability to get under the skin of the Ibrox Undead.
Anything that gets under the skin of the weegies of either persuasion is a good thing.
Post by: purpletrousers on August 12, 2018, 11:36:42 PM
Post by: Hillbilly on August 13, 2018, 11:10:20 AM
I assume you are overlooking the mighty Maryhill Magyars on purpose so as not to tar with the same brush.I don't mind them, but not sure why we have chosen to play in their shirts this season. Hibs are a great bunch of lads, though, for their ability to get under the skin of the Ibrox Undead.
Anything that gets under the skin of the weegies of either persuasion is a good thing.
Post by: kipeye on August 13, 2018, 11:22:42 AM
One of the best debuts I've had the pleasure of witnessing. We will make a very healthy profit in the future! The fact he chose Villa over C*ltic is also a bonus!What- you sold him already? Grab a prawn sandwich and celebrate the investment.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 13, 2018, 11:46:45 AM
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Post by: paul_e on August 13, 2018, 12:08:04 PM
Post by: Bad English on August 13, 2018, 01:09:07 PM
Post by: hipkiss92 on August 13, 2018, 01:15:57 PM
I'm glad he put in a performance like that, it backs up my thinking that him in a 3 with 2 from Hourihane, Thor, Doyle-Hayes, Lyden or Clarke could work and we wouldn't need a specific defensive midfielder. Then Grealish can have a fairly free role in front of them and not have to worry so much about coming deep to get the ball. We'd lose width but given Kodjia, Green and Adomah all naturally drift wide and woulld be the main options up front they'd give us a lot of the width we're losing.
I was thinking on Saturday we could be more effective pulling Kodjia wide, then playing Jack as a False 9 with as few defensive responsibilities as possible. Would also allow McGinn and Hourihane to bomb on with BB sitting deeper. Green then provides the width on the opposite wing.
Doubt Bruceiola would go for it mind.
Post by: Gary Penrice on August 13, 2018, 01:24:01 PM
One of the best debuts I've had the pleasure of witnessing. We will make a very healthy profit in the future! The fact he chose Villa over C*ltic is also a bonus!What- you sold him already? Grab a prawn sandwich and celebrate the investment.
Don't sell prawn sandwiches in the lower Holte! Although it's something the catering dept. should look at!
Post by: paul_e on August 13, 2018, 01:39:07 PM
I'm glad he put in a performance like that, it backs up my thinking that him in a 3 with 2 from Hourihane, Thor, Doyle-Hayes, Lyden or Clarke could work and we wouldn't need a specific defensive midfielder. Then Grealish can have a fairly free role in front of them and not have to worry so much about coming deep to get the ball. We'd lose width but given Kodjia, Green and Adomah all naturally drift wide and woulld be the main options up front they'd give us a lot of the width we're losing.
I was thinking on Saturday we could be more effective pulling Kodjia wide, then playing Jack as a False 9 with as few defensive responsibilities as possible. Would also allow McGinn and Hourihane to bomb on with BB sitting deeper. Green then provides the width on the opposite wing.
Doubt Bruceiola would go for it mind.
That's exactly how I'd set the team up right now. Give Kodjia and Green licence to cut in as much as they want but to start from wider. None of our strikers (other than Davis when he's fit) are going to dominate a centre back and be that traditional target man so instead we'll look to put them in through the channels and test the defence with their mobility instead of their strength.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 13, 2018, 01:56:20 PM
Always liked Hibs best in Scotland as it was too easy to go for Celtic. I’d love it if we adopted/nicked/shared Sunshine On Leith as an anthem (Liverpool and Celtic both do You’ll Never Walk Alone). It’s a great moving song and the words are very appropriate (in the main).
I don't think it would work Mal. Leith is Leith. We need something like Sunshine on Saltley or Helianthus in Harborne.
We could have a summer and a winter song. A Scorcher In Aston and Wet In Witton. Or maybe even Pissing Down In Perry Barr.
Our anthem should, undoubtedly, be Summer In Summer Lane.
Now if you’ve friends from the country for a day or two,
Take them round the town all the sights to view.
First in Cutler’s for a drink you’ll call, you show
Them the fountain and the Old Town Hall.
Then along Colmore Row, the car you can catch,
To see the Water Melons on the old Black Patch.
But there’s one sight you must not miss.
Before your friends say goodbye, just mention this.
You ought to see the palm trees swaying way down Summer Lane.
Every Saturday night there’s a jubilation
Hear the Birdies singing in The Salutation
Though there’s no snow in Snow Hill,
You’ve no cause to take the train.
To your southern home where the weather is warm
It’s always summer in Summer Lane
Now you keep on sighing for your Dad and Mam
Your Mason Dixie Line and your alabam.
You say you’ve heard your Tennesse call,
Yet you never saw Tennesse at all.
And your songs from Mandy Land have been done Brown
So let’s have a song about your home town.
You ought to see the palm trees swaying way down Summer Lane.
Every Saturday night there’s a jubilation
Hear the Birdies singing in The Salutation
Though there’s no snow in Snow Hill,
You’ve no cause to take the train.
To your southern home where the weather is warm
It’s always summer in Summer Lane
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 13, 2018, 05:15:22 PM
Early days, but he seems like a great signing, and for sensible money too. Credit to whoever scouted him.
Post by: purpletrousers on August 13, 2018, 05:35:01 PM
Aston Villa: John McGinn and Steve Bruce 'a match made in heaven' - Alan Stubbs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45151338
Do we know the fee for sure?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 13, 2018, 06:07:13 PM
I see "a reported fee of £2.75m"
Aston Villa: John McGinn and Steve Bruce 'a match made in heaven' - Alan Stubbs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45151338
Do we know the fee for sure?
2.5m was what I heard. Regardless, he looks cheap at twice the the price.
Post by: wozwebs on August 13, 2018, 11:12:09 PM
https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/exclusive-former-hibs-star-and-celtic-target-john-mcginn-on-choosing-move-to-aston-villa/
Quote
SCOTLAND legends Gordon Strachan, Joe Jordan and Gordon McQueen all gave John McGinn their seal of approval when Aston Villa asked for an opinion on his ability.
Manager Steve Bruce – a former team-mate of Strachan at Manchester United and McGinn’s previous Scotland boss – and his coaches made exhaustive checks on the talented midfielder.
The feedback convinced them to push the boat out to sign him from Hibs in a £3m deal, beating off fierce competition from Celtic to do so.
Everyone Villa turned to told the English Championship club that they would be signing an excellent player, one who could help the club win promotion.
When the deal had been done, Brendan Rodgers remained fulsome in his praise of McGinn, but was clearly disappointed to have missed out on one of his major signing targets.
For his own part, McGinn is delighted to be part of such an ambitious club, and is excited – and humbled – to be following in the footsteps of one of his heroes, Stan Petrov, by joining the Midlands outfit.
In an exclusive interview, McGinn told The Sunday Post: “It’s very flattering if people with such standing in the game have said such nice things about me. It’s very kind of them.
“This an exciting challenge and it has always been an ambition of mine to play in English football.
“Looking on from afar, I always had an idea Aston Villa were a big club.
“But now realise I misjudged it – they are a massive club.
“The training ground is out of this world, and the stadium has that old-fashioned feel about it, a proper, traditional stadium.
“I want to do my bit to see it bouncing every week as we all pull together to help the club win promotion this season.
“The Villa fans have a brilliant reputation, and it’s going to be my privilege to play in front of them for the next few years.
“I feel tremendous pride to be here.
“I’m also following in the footsteps of guys such as Stiliyan Petrov.
“He was one of my favourite players at Celtic, and he enjoyed many successful years at Villa, as well as captaining the club.
“Stiliyan made an exceptional impact here – on and off the pitch – and I can only try to live up to the high standards set by him and others.
“There is also a strong Scottish connection, from Alan Hutton in the team to Colin Calderwood on the coaching staff.
“The Scotland manager, Alex McLeish, used to be the manager here, and Eric Black, Steve Clarke and Gary McAllister have all coached here in the past few seasons.
“Paul Lambert was also the manager.
“Going even further back, my dad tells me there was a Scottish influence when Aston Villa won the European Cup in 1982 when they beat Bayern Munich, and guys such as Allan Evans, Ken McNaught and Des Bremner were in the team.
“So I feel proud to be here and to be a part of such a special club.
“The onus is now on everyone here at the current time to create our own history, and try to get us back into the Premier League.
“We have an excellent manager in Steve Bruce and he has brilliant guys beside him. We are geared up to give it a right go.
“However, we are well aware that there are some top sides in this division, and there will always be a fancy from the neutrals for the newly-relegated clubs such as Swansea, Stoke and West Brom to be heavily involved when it comes to the business end of the campaign.
“You can then add in other clubs such as Middlesbrough, Derby County, Leeds United, Nottingham Forest and a few more.
“So we can all see just how tough a challenge faces us all. But I’m up for it. I love this kind of stuff. I’m ready for it.”
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 14, 2018, 12:09:45 AM
Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2018, 01:07:28 AM
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 14, 2018, 08:50:11 AM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on August 14, 2018, 09:02:12 AM
Blimey, a footballer with a brain, respect and insight. Is there anything this lad is crap at?As he's from Scotland - probably sunbathing
Post by: Diablo on August 14, 2018, 10:10:58 AM
Hahaha!Blimey, a footballer with a brain, respect and insight. Is there anything this lad is crap at?As he's from Scotland - probably sunbathing
Post by: Rodders on August 14, 2018, 11:40:18 AM
I'm just excited our central midfield will be Xacki and McGinniesta
My 13 year - who has put up with so much over his lifetime of being like Dad and supporting Villa - has just ordered his new shirt with McGiniesta 7 on the back. Thanks Colhint :)
Post by: Ad@m on August 14, 2018, 12:23:32 PM
Good lad. And fair play to his dad for his educational output. 😊
Absolutely.
Someone needs to show him the McGregor statue as well if he wants to learn about a bit more Scottish heritage around the club.
Post by: robbo1874 on August 14, 2018, 12:26:51 PM
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Post by: Matt Collins on August 18, 2018, 06:26:03 PM
I wonder if we can get hourihane in the team alongside him. I don't love Conor but he does have a goal threat.
Maybe we could play three in a midfield, but I wouldn't try it against Brentford. Could McGinn play wide? He does seem to have a good delivery.
Post by: Ad@m on August 18, 2018, 10:09:13 PM
This is my main gripe with Grealish - for all his obvious comfort on the ball he rarely makes a contribution that changes a game. This fella on the other hand has come in and immediately started creating goals.
Long may it continue.
Post by: Steve67 on August 18, 2018, 10:13:35 PM
Post by: paul_e on August 19, 2018, 12:20:43 AM
2 games, 2 assists.
This is my main gripe with Grealish - for all his obvious comfort on the ball he rarely makes a contribution that changes a game. This fella on the other hand has come in and immediately started creating goals.
Long may it continue.
Harsh on Grealish, he made one in the first game with a great corner, he played a fantastic pass for the goal in the week and even when he's not directly involved in a move he's got 2 men fairly near him almost all the time because teams are terrified of giving him space. Who gets the assist or plays the key pass doesn't matter so long as the midfield is creating chances. Take away set pieces and, right now, we're not creating anything like as many as we should with the players we have.
Post by: Matt Collins on August 19, 2018, 06:29:51 AM
I haven't seen it but apparently there was a chance today where rather than shoot he took a number of touches and the chance went
He needs to have more of a killer instinct
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 19, 2018, 07:31:50 AM
Post by: Ads on August 19, 2018, 07:41:59 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 19, 2018, 11:11:54 AM
He should have scored to be honest. He only needed to pull the trigger, but kept faking and pulling wider across the penalty box. He was only 10 yards out.
That’s the frustrating bit right now about Jack. He needs to be more ruthless and decisive in the final third.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2018, 02:24:22 PM
Grealish needs create and score more for chances to open up for others around him.
It's difficult to do so when you're hacked to the ground every time you get the ball.
Post by: Ad@m on August 19, 2018, 04:06:43 PM
Grealish needs create and score more for chances to open up for others around him.
It's difficult to do so when you're hacked to the ground every time you get the ball.
He's always been like that though, even before he'd been declared the next Messi.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2018, 04:12:26 PM
Post by: PGW on August 19, 2018, 04:16:33 PM
Nobody has declared him the next Messi. And he's always been like what? Kicked?Not Messi but Iniesta
Post by: Ad@m on August 19, 2018, 04:17:10 PM
Post by: guyavfc on August 19, 2018, 08:33:11 PM
Post by: villan from luton on August 19, 2018, 08:47:31 PM
Shot shy, generally preferring to look for the foul rather than taking the shot on.
Have you seen some of the goals he scored for Hibs????
Post by: villan from luton on August 19, 2018, 08:48:39 PM
Post by: thick_mike on August 19, 2018, 08:49:18 PM
Shot shy, generally preferring to look for the foul rather than taking the shot on.
Have you seen some of the goals he scored for Hibs????
I think the quote was about Grealish rather than McGinn (but I might be wrong)
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2018, 08:50:03 PM
Post by: Ads on August 19, 2018, 09:19:05 PM
Post by: in exile on August 21, 2018, 03:29:46 PM
Oh feck, you were on about Jack lol
Of course they are.
Who did you expect them to be discussing in the John McGinn thread?
Post by: Damo70 on August 21, 2018, 07:09:08 PM
Post by: Rigadon on August 22, 2018, 08:48:30 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2018, 08:49:20 PM
Post by: four fornicholl on August 22, 2018, 08:51:14 PM
Post by: thick_mike on August 22, 2018, 09:16:10 PM
Post by: Ad@m on August 22, 2018, 09:52:34 PM
He’s excellent, glad he wasn’t injured by that scumbag.
Tonight's ref was diabolical. I could see that stamp on the half way line from the Holte End but that prick Moss couldn't see it from 20 yards away.
Post by: Matt Collins on August 22, 2018, 09:53:04 PM
Post by: manic-road on August 22, 2018, 09:54:28 PM
Love this guy
Yes fantastic tonight
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2018, 09:59:19 PM
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 22, 2018, 10:00:17 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on August 22, 2018, 10:04:42 PM
He’s excellent, glad he wasn’t injured by that scumbag.
Tonight's ref was diabolical. I could see that stamp on the half way line from the Holte End but that prick Moss couldn't see it from 20 yards away.
Lino missed it as well from about 15 yards away
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2018, 10:06:01 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on August 22, 2018, 10:25:21 PM
Better than Houlihane and a good signing by the look of it.
Post by: footyskillz on August 22, 2018, 10:37:27 PM
His delivery is effortless as he some sort of Griezmann or Silva .
Really the main man of midfield and lol iked how whelan worked with him
Post by: manic-road on August 22, 2018, 10:39:09 PM
Post by: footyskillz on August 22, 2018, 10:50:13 PM
He may not score as many goals as Connor but we look a far better balanced team with him in midfield.
He doesn't pass back as much as Connor
They don't have to wonder where he is
He can tackle and press far better
I like this upgrade !
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 22, 2018, 10:53:52 PM
A real tigerish presence in midfield and good quality on the ball.
Way he's been so far is what I thought we were getting when we signed Hourihane.
Fancy him to score on Saturday.
Post by: tomd2103 on August 22, 2018, 11:03:42 PM
First live viewing, pretty impressed.
A real tigerish presence in midfield and good quality on the ball.
Way he's been so far is what I thought we were getting when we signed Hourihane.
Fancy him to score on Saturday.
My second viewing of him and he understandably looked a bit. sharper than he did against Wigan. Thought he tired a bit towards the end, but had a good game and his set pieces are a real threat.
Post by: Ad@m on August 23, 2018, 10:54:56 AM
He’s excellent, glad he wasn’t injured by that scumbag.
Tonight's ref was diabolical. I could see that stamp on the half way line from the Holte End but that prick Moss couldn't see it from 20 yards away.
Lino missed it as well from about 15 yards away
Dean Smith seems to be defending it...
Quote from: Dean Smith
If you remember the incident, Mile Jedinak fell over, got up and then smashed Neal in the back of the head so, if they are looking at retrospective for Neal, then we'll do so for Jedinak.
Prick.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 23, 2018, 10:56:12 AM
Post by: Drummond on August 23, 2018, 12:02:06 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 23, 2018, 07:24:50 PM
Post by: brian green on August 23, 2018, 07:34:17 PM
Post by: Drummond on August 23, 2018, 07:55:00 PM
I don't think he'll ever manage us, not unless he goes somewhere bigger than Brentford on the way.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 23, 2018, 08:25:59 PM
Post by: Villafirst on August 23, 2018, 10:26:52 PM
The only questions I have is how did we get him for a such cheap price and why were no other English teams in for him.
Into the last year of his contract....an absolute steal for us!
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 23, 2018, 11:12:12 PM
I wonder if that game and Smith's defence of the indefensible marks the point at which Smith ceased to be a contender for the Villa job. Defending his own player can be seen as loyalty. Attacking a Villa player tit for tat smacks of narkiness, a side of Smith not widely known. Did not do his career prospects much good I suspect.
Dean Smith is employed by Brentford, to manage the interests of Brentford. He'll do that by all legal means necessary, and if doing so means having a go back at an opposition players, so be it. We regularly bemoan the fact that the Villa are too nice in certain matters, and I don't imagine for one second that when we're looking for a new manager the fact that he had a go at one of our players will count against him any more that Steve Bruce dancing on the pitch when his collection of rogues, vagabonds and ne'erdowells salvaged a point against us counted against him.
Post by: Small Rodent on August 23, 2018, 11:32:46 PM
The only questions I have is how did we get him for a such cheap price and why were no other English teams in for him.
I was best man at a wedding in the Highlands two weeks ago...north of Inverness!! The football followers of every stripe were saying what a steal he is. Many liked him enough to start following what he does at Villa.
Most importantly, the Celtic fans were pleased they lost out on him...think about that. They were pleased because a) he's an excellent Scottish prospect who deserves better than sitting on Celtic's bench
and b) it highlights their club's shitty transfer dealings trying to get the best youngsters on the cheap which leads to a) again.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 23, 2018, 11:56:43 PM
Fair play to Smith. He's obviously a Villa supporter, trying to get Jedinak suspended.
He also knew we're shit against 10 men.
Post by: Ads on August 24, 2018, 06:40:40 AM
Post by: brian green on August 24, 2018, 07:13:31 AM
Post by: Nev on August 24, 2018, 07:36:17 AM
The gripe by Smith about the retrospective banning of one of his players came across to me - and this is a forum for personal views - as unnecessarily combative. Plus I do not subscribe to the "our player right or wrong" philosophy in the game.
Heat of the moment post match reaction to losing two points at the death. On reflection it looks like he saw sense and swallowed the punishment with no come back.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 24, 2018, 08:16:17 AM
The problem we now have is that we haven't replaced Terry and the GK replacement for Johnstone might be good enough, might not, we'll see.
It also looks like Bolassie will be the alternative for Snodgrass which will be another one we'll have to hope works out but time will tell.
Whilst I'm delighted with the new owners coming in it's a shame it wasn't a month or so earlier in terms of our chances this season.
Post by: footyskillz on September 07, 2018, 06:54:38 PM
Jon Mcginn number 7 for villa and Scotland .
I hope he's not playing with this injury Bruce was going on about.
Think he'll put up a decent showing tonight as he's all action.
Post by: Hillbilly on September 08, 2018, 05:31:25 AM
Scotland V Belgium. 745pmHe’s caught the Villa disease by all accounts.
Jon Mcginn number 7 for villa and Scotland .
I hope he's not playing with this injury Bruce was going on about.
Think he'll put up a decent showing tonight as he's all action.
Post by: Risso on September 08, 2018, 06:38:48 AM
Just before the half-hour, Belgium got their first. Craig Gordon unwisely rolled the ball out to McGinn, who was facing his own goal and unaware of the danger he was in. His first touch was a total calamity and allowed Mousa Dembele to ransack him and feed Thorgan Hazard, who calmly rolled it across for Lukaku to score his 41st international goal.”
Always good too see Scotland get a pasting, not so good when our bright hope has a mare.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 08, 2018, 03:14:28 PM
https://twitter.com/CelticRockRoars/status/1038152973388603392
Post by: JD on September 09, 2018, 06:58:39 AM
Stupid by the goalie to roll it to him in that position, but that first touch!
https://twitter.com/CelticRockRoars/status/1038152973388603392
All I read is a bitter and twisted fenian :). They're just upset because McGinn chose a superior team to sign for.
Post by: Steve67 on September 09, 2018, 12:38:33 PM
Post by: Dave on September 09, 2018, 01:03:52 PM
Stupid by the goalie to roll it to him in that position, but that first touch!
https://twitter.com/CelticRockRoars/status/1038152973388603392
All I read is a bitter and twisted fenian :).
I'm pretty sure you could have chosen your words a bit more carefully there.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 09, 2018, 01:24:36 PM
Post by: JD on September 10, 2018, 09:03:36 AM
Stupid by the goalie to roll it to him in that position, but that first touch!
https://twitter.com/CelticRockRoars/status/1038152973388603392
All I read is a bitter and twisted fenian :).
I'm pretty sure you could have chosen your words a bit more carefully there.
Sorry Dave, it was a joke (ok a bad joke) hence the smiley face.
No offence meant to anyone on here.
Post by: GarTomas on September 10, 2018, 08:05:53 PM
Post by: Richard E on September 10, 2018, 08:07:03 PM
Looking good for Scotland so far tonight.
Even I'd look world class against Albania.
Post by: Villafirst on September 10, 2018, 08:10:45 PM
Looking good for Scotland so far tonight.
Even I'd look world class against Albania.
No easy games these days - just give the guy some praise!
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 10, 2018, 08:16:04 PM
Looking good for Scotland so far tonight.
Even I'd look world class against Albania.
In overall footballing terms I'd say Scotland and Albania are pretty evenly matched.
Post by: jwarry on September 22, 2018, 05:54:29 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 22, 2018, 05:55:26 PM
McGinn goal as well https://twitter.com/WittonRoad/status/1043519792089587714
Post by: Ad@m on September 22, 2018, 06:12:36 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 22, 2018, 06:21:45 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 22, 2018, 06:24:38 PM
The bright point on a crap day for us, was McGinn.
Post by: levico on September 22, 2018, 06:25:56 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 22, 2018, 06:29:20 PM
Post by: footyskillz on September 22, 2018, 07:11:02 PM
Brilliant brilliant goal and really thought go on to win but alas.
Anyway super volley
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 22, 2018, 07:40:18 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on September 22, 2018, 07:40:42 PM
McGinn goal (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/11505514/mcginn-scores-wonder-goal)
McGinn goal as well https://twitter.com/WittonRoad/status/1043519792089587714
Kind of Sky to add
“John McGinn scored a superb equaliser in Aston Villa's 1-1 draw with Sheffield Wednesday at Villa Park.”
Perhaps they also agree it was good enough for the ref to blow up for the final whistle at that point, or retrospectively scratch off one of their goals, as that one was clearly worth two of theirs.
Post by: thick_mike on September 22, 2018, 08:39:18 PM
Post by: CT on September 22, 2018, 08:45:11 PM
...and thanks for running the midfield on your own too. Great job.
Post by: nigel on September 22, 2018, 08:53:23 PM
Post by: LukeJames on September 22, 2018, 09:13:05 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 22, 2018, 09:15:41 PM
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2429073/Lowton_Goal_1.gif)
Post by: richtheholtender on September 22, 2018, 09:20:43 PM
Post by: Ad@m on September 22, 2018, 09:21:17 PM
Post by: LukeJames on September 22, 2018, 09:31:41 PM
While McGinns is still fresh though that was sublime, it should of realistically ended up deep in the Holte. Ashame it was just a consolation goal.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 22, 2018, 10:00:31 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on September 23, 2018, 09:15:12 AM
Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2018, 09:54:19 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on September 23, 2018, 09:56:12 AM
Post by: eamonn on September 23, 2018, 11:51:12 AM
Lowton wins it for a few reasons. It was my first away game in yonks, the terrace mental when it went in, the importance of it, the fact it was a defender hitting that even with 2 players closing him down.
Outweighed by personal sentiment in that case. Yesterday the goal ended up meaning nothing but as most have said for a one-off shot it was beautifully, perfectly placed. The in off the underside of the bar also adds extra drama - demonstrated finely by Tony Yeboah twice in quick succession at the beginning of the 1995/96 season.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 23, 2018, 03:02:29 PM
Post by: Richard E on September 23, 2018, 03:06:07 PM
Just a shame that it didn’t count for anything.
If we stay up on goal difference it will.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 23, 2018, 03:51:14 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 23, 2018, 03:54:08 PM
I always get annoyed when people suggest that players are definitely leaving the club. I cling to the idea that villa are big enough to keep their best players. However, even I think this time McGinn will only be with us for one season.Did you see the game yesterday? It was a great goal but otherwise McGinn was absolutely awful. I wouldn't be too worried about him moving on to greater things just yet.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 23, 2018, 04:01:27 PM
Lowton because it was just stupendous skill from a FB in the Premier League. But in both cases the technique is simply outstanding. Both goals get better and better every time you watch them. Shame there isn’t a video of the Lowton goal from directly behind.
Not completely behind him sadly
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Post by: Toronto Villa on September 23, 2018, 04:06:17 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 23, 2018, 04:19:30 PM
I always get annoyed when people suggest that players are definitely leaving the club. I cling to the idea that villa are big enough to keep their best players. However, even I think this time McGinn will only be with us for one season.Did you see the game yesterday? It was a great goal but otherwise McGinn was absolutely awful. I wouldn't be too worried about him moving on to greater things just yet.
Early in the game, I thought, "yep, didn't take us long there to coach it all out of him".
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 23, 2018, 04:23:25 PM
I generally prefer strikes that hit the net rather than go in off the woodwork - much cleaner and there is no moment of doubt that about the goal. When the ball bounced down off the bar yesterday I was looking for somebody to follow up and only realised we had scored when the ball bounced up into the roof of the net. I’m much happier without that split second of doubt.
Post by: Richard on September 23, 2018, 04:26:45 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 23, 2018, 04:29:37 PM
I like him, puts himself about but not a great combination with Conor as they are both too left footed - I'd like to see him and Grealish just in front of Jedi or Barney who seems to have been forgotten about.Don't get me wrong I like him too. But other than the goal he had a stinker yesterday.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 23, 2018, 04:43:26 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 23, 2018, 04:54:13 PM
I disagree. He gave the ball away in a dangerous position once. Other than that, pretty good. Always looking for a dangerous pass. I'd like to see him back on corner duty ahead of Hot Lips.He gave it away a lot more than once and was generally ineffective. I took my father in law to the game and had given him a big build up all morning. Neither of us could be live how poor he was.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 23, 2018, 05:08:46 PM
Post by: Mister E on September 23, 2018, 05:17:41 PM
Nah, not that bad.I like him, puts himself about but not a great combination with Conor as they are both too left footed - I'd like to see him and Grealish just in front of Jedi or Barney who seems to have been forgotten about.Don't get me wrong I like him too. But other than the goal he had a stinker yesterday.
Not great, but not bad.
For stinkers, see Adomah, Hutton, Elmo, Kodjia. Even Chester was a flake yesterday.
Post by: brian green on September 23, 2018, 05:26:08 PM
Post by: kieron on September 23, 2018, 05:31:14 PM
But, McGinn's goal yesterday, I was just stunned into silence when it happened. After the crowd had settled down I said to my 15 year old lad "Remember that, son. Witnessing moments like that don't come often".
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 23, 2018, 05:43:56 PM
Nah, not that bad.I like him, puts himself about but not a great combination with Conor as they are both too left footed - I'd like to see him and Grealish just in front of Jedi or Barney who seems to have been forgotten about.Don't get me wrong I like him too. But other than the goal he had a stinker yesterday.
Not great, but not bad.
For stinkers, see Adomah, Hutton, Elmo, Kodjia. Even Chester was a flake yesterday.
Hutton was okay, and made possibly the best interception I've ever seen at Villa Park to prevent a certain goal.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 23, 2018, 06:25:50 PM
See this is part of the overall problem.Hutton was "okay".Nah, not that bad.I like him, puts himself about but not a great combination with Conor as they are both too left footed - I'd like to see him and Grealish just in front of Jedi or Barney who seems to have been forgotten about.Don't get me wrong I like him too. But other than the goal he had a stinker yesterday.
Not great, but not bad.
For stinkers, see Adomah, Hutton, Elmo, Kodjia. Even Chester was a flake yesterday.
Hutton was okay, and made possibly the best interception I've ever seen at Villa Park to prevent a certain goal.
He wasn't.He stank and he always stinks.Probably culpable more than any one player for our demise.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 23, 2018, 06:54:57 PM
Post by: Ad@m on September 23, 2018, 07:00:42 PM
I think that's total bollocks, tbh.
Absolutely. Anyone who thinks Hutton's the main reason for our demise either has a really short memory or hasn't been to many matches at all over the past decade.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 23, 2018, 07:48:43 PM
That's bollocks and if you can't see it I reckon you've been watching matches with rose coloured filters.I think that's total bollocks, tbh.
Absolutely. Anyone who thinks Hutton's the main reason for our demise either has a really short memory or hasn't been to many matches at all over the past decade.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 23, 2018, 09:24:22 PM
Post by: kieron on September 23, 2018, 09:32:33 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 23, 2018, 09:41:58 PM
Post by: Ad@m on September 23, 2018, 10:10:12 PM
No.He's endemic to our problems.Hide your head in the sand all you like.
Has he fucked your missus?
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on September 23, 2018, 10:27:32 PM
Post by: paul_e on September 23, 2018, 10:47:20 PM
I agree that he made a brilliant interception but he needs to offer much more than throwing himself in the way of a shot every now and then.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 24, 2018, 07:17:29 AM
The fuckNo.He's endemic to our problems.Hide your head in the sand all you like.
Has he fucked your missus?
Post by: darren woolley on September 24, 2018, 09:48:59 AM
Post by: fbriai on September 24, 2018, 10:16:33 AM
I saw it being discussed here, but can't find it now, but for me it was better than the Lowton strike. He was hitting more or less through the line of the ball, while McGinn was hitting across it. Positioning and timing was everything. Had he not struck it perfectly, it would have ended up on Witton Lane.
Plus, bouncing it into the roof of the net, having struck the bar, is always a bit special!
Post by: Malandro on September 24, 2018, 10:20:32 AM
The fuckNo.He's endemic to our problems.Hide your head in the sand all you like.
Has he fucked your missus?
It must have been a standout performance.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 24, 2018, 01:12:23 PM
Post by: Mister E on September 24, 2018, 01:15:37 PM
Hutton was poor, despite the excellent saving tackle in the second half.Nah, not that bad.I like him, puts himself about but not a great combination with Conor as they are both too left footed - I'd like to see him and Grealish just in front of Jedi or Barney who seems to have been forgotten about.Don't get me wrong I like him too. But other than the goal he had a stinker yesterday.
Not great, but not bad.
For stinkers, see Adomah, Hutton, Elmo, Kodjia. Even Chester was a flake yesterday.
Hutton was okay, and made possibly the best interception I've ever seen at Villa Park to prevent a certain goal.
Post by: NeilH on September 24, 2018, 01:20:36 PM
Post by: usav on September 24, 2018, 01:25:22 PM
His goal has been on all the main news sites over here (even though La Repubblica referred to as The Hammers...). I've had quite a few people writing to me to mention it.
And over here. It made the ESPN sports center top 10 plays (for any sport, not just football).
Post by: footyskillz on October 01, 2018, 10:34:47 PM
Just as a consideration and consequence as least performing and all that from last match at Bristol so he should but I don't think will be 'rested'
However he scored best goal ever recently so really don't think he will be not included though looks like needs a rest .
Post by: Matt Collins on October 02, 2018, 08:11:40 AM
Hourihane seems our most reliable source of goals and assists at the moment
Jack is in theory our best player
But I can't figure out how to get them all in the same side consistently
People say you don't need a holding midfielders, that we didn't really have one when we won the league.
But there's a reason even the most attacking teams play with one. Football has changed. Even championship teams play with players between the lines nowadays.
When cantona came to England he was the best player in the league, despite having no pace and never doing anything internationally and in Europe. A major reason was that 442 just couldn't deal with a man playing behind the striker.
It might work against Rotherham but it's not the sustainable way forwards
Post by: boozey182 on October 02, 2018, 11:04:25 AM
It's got to be McGinn, Jack and one of Jedinak, Whelan or Bjanasson, which we can rotate depending on who we're playing. With two wingers (Bolasie and El Ghazi) playing off Tammy up front. We then have Kodjia and Hourihane to come off the bench to change things around. Of course, we'd never need them, as that front six should smash every team in this league.
Post by: Drummond on October 02, 2018, 12:07:39 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on October 02, 2018, 12:19:07 PM
I think a midfield with Hourihane in will always struggle to boss a match. He doesn't have the bite, drive or energy to get a proper grip on a game, in my opinion. But he's proved already this season that he can change matches coming off the bench; when there's a bit more space on the pitch and he can get a bit of time on the ball, he can be very useful.
It's got to be McGinn, Jack and one of Jedinak, Whelan or Bjanasson, which we can rotate depending on who we're playing. With two wingers (Bolasie and El Ghazi) playing off Tammy up front. We then have Kodjia and Hourihane to come off the bench to change things around. Of course, we'd never need them, as that front six should smash every team in this league.
Agree with that. On paper, we have got some good attacking and midfield options.
Post by: davidb on October 02, 2018, 01:35:47 PM
Post by: Clampy on October 02, 2018, 01:40:21 PM
Feels like he was bought to replace Grealish so having them in the same team feels like a stretch
I said on here a while back that Grealish hasn't looked as effective since Mcginn has come in.
Post by: robleflaneur on October 02, 2018, 02:28:00 PM
You both mean that Bruce can't work out how to use 2 talents in his midfield. Pep found that hard with Xavi and Iniesta,Silva and deBruyne.Poch has difficulties with Alli and Ericksen.Where would he have played Grealish ?Feels like he was bought to replace Grealish so having them in the same team feels like a stretch
I said on here a while back that Grealish hasn't looked as effective since Mcginn has come in.
Give Jack a freer role,he is outstanding at finding space and beating players.The closer to the opponents's box he is,the more dangerous he becomes.McGinn seems to possess all round talents,kudos to Bruce for getting him,and could feature in any midfield position.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 02, 2018, 04:49:01 PM
You both mean that Bruce can't work out how to use 2 talents in his midfield. Pep found that hard with Xavi and Iniesta,Silva and deBruyne.Poch has difficulties with Alli and Ericksen.Where would he have played Grealish ?Feels like he was bought to replace Grealish so having them in the same team feels like a stretch
I said on here a while back that Grealish hasn't looked as effective since Mcginn has come in.
Give Jack a freer role,he is outstanding at finding space and beating players.The closer to the opponents's box he is,the more dangerous he becomes.McGinn seems to possess all round talents,kudos to Bruce for getting him,and could feature in any midfield position.
Rob, I like John McGinn. A lot. But never use any of our midfielders or concerns dipshit Bruce might have in the same book let alone sentence as Xavi/Iniesta or Pep/Pochettino
Post by: footyskillz on October 03, 2018, 09:18:43 AM
I would have him ahead of Whelan to take a pen too!
Post by: chrisw1 on October 03, 2018, 09:22:01 AM
I think a midfield with Hourihane in will always struggle to boss a match. He doesn't have the bite, drive or energy to get a proper grip on a game, in my opinion. But he's proved already this season that he can change matches coming off the bench; when there's a bit more space on the pitch and he can get a bit of time on the ball, he can be very useful.Exactly.
It's got to be McGinn, Jack and one of Jedinak, Whelan or Bjanasson, which we can rotate depending on who we're playing. With two wingers (Bolasie and El Ghazi) playing off Tammy up front. We then have Kodjia and Hourihane to come off the bench to change things around. Of course, we'd never need them, as that front six should smash every team in this league.
Post by: footyskillz on October 04, 2018, 09:13:18 PM
Post by: kieron on October 04, 2018, 09:44:50 PM
Post by: olaftab on October 04, 2018, 09:52:20 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 04, 2018, 09:59:02 PM
Post by: walsall villain on October 04, 2018, 10:05:12 PM
He was terrible against PNE. His worst game so far.Can’t think of anyone who didn’t look awful second half including Grealish.
Post by: footyskillz on October 05, 2018, 12:03:55 AM
He was terrible against PNE. His worst game so far.
I thought the Bristol city one was his worst largely not apparent
Post by: tomd2103 on October 05, 2018, 01:05:19 AM
And still forced a goal, so he’s not doing too bad.
Like many of the others, I thought he had a good first half, but was pretty anonymous in the second. Think he would benefit from playing a bit further forward than he has been recently, as he pretty anonymous against Bristol City at times as well.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 05, 2018, 06:59:33 AM
Post by: CT on October 05, 2018, 08:27:32 AM
It’s all a system of the “shape” of the team. We get a proper manager in and he’ll be great.
Exactly. I'm just thankful for his effort all over the pitch when others around him consider trotting about as "putting in a shift".
Oh yeah, and he scored a world class goal.
Post by: Matt Collins on October 05, 2018, 09:04:18 AM
He could do with a break maybe?
Post by: mattjpa on October 05, 2018, 09:07:21 AM
The second half was so bad against Preston that I struggle to discriminate between our better and worse performers
He could do with a break maybe?
We cant just ask good players to play bloody mumbo jumbo though - that is exactly what happened 2nd half of PNE. When we were crying out for shape and control of the game the clear direction from management didnt come.
Post by: Risso on October 05, 2018, 09:12:58 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 05, 2018, 09:22:50 AM
It's funny how history repeats itself. An absolutely dismal second half against Preston did for our last two managers.
Not just that. But both sacked on the same date, October 3rd two years apart. That’s bizarre.
Post by: dave shelley on October 05, 2018, 12:37:21 PM
It's funny how history repeats itself. An absolutely dismal second half against Preston did for our last two managers.
Not just that. But both sacked on the same date, October 3rd two years apart. That’s bizarre.
And neither should have been employed.
Post by: Jockey Randall on October 05, 2018, 12:52:35 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 18, 2018, 03:50:15 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 18, 2018, 06:36:07 PM
Post by: Drummond on October 19, 2018, 11:52:34 AM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11516456/watch-vote-sky-bet-championship-league-one-and-league-two-goals-of-the-month-september
Post by: Richard on October 19, 2018, 12:19:33 PM
Post by: mattjpa on October 19, 2018, 12:33:14 PM
His goal and the Reach one are hard to separate to be honest.McGinns is superior, by a country mile. The way the ball pops up in front of Reach, given 50 attempts i reckon i could recreate it, there or there abouts. I think 5000 attempts at McGinns and I still wouldn't nail it. The irony that it may not win GOTM as voted for by fans, I reckon it will win goal of the season if by a professional panel
Post by: tomd2103 on October 19, 2018, 01:03:42 PM
The second half was so bad against Preston that I struggle to discriminate between our better and worse performers
He could do with a break maybe?
He's been involved with Scotland over the international break, so a short rest at this point might not be the worst idea to keep him fresh.
Post by: Diablo on October 19, 2018, 01:05:28 PM
He's not in the lead in the Goal of the Month vote! You can vote here.Update - Neck and neck now
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11516456/watch-vote-sky-bet-championship-league-one-and-league-two-goals-of-the-month-september
Post by: darren woolley on October 19, 2018, 01:21:05 PM
Post by: Rotterdam 82 on October 19, 2018, 01:46:35 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 19, 2018, 05:36:29 PM
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Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 19, 2018, 05:56:01 PM
Post by: john e on October 19, 2018, 05:58:34 PM
I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.
I'm expecting to see everybody in a better light to be honest
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 19, 2018, 06:07:31 PM
I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.
I'm expecting to see everybody in a better light to be honest
True enough. I still intend to demand a bit of "kick him up the fucking bollocks John" amongst enjoying football with a plan and played on the floor.
Post by: paul_e on October 19, 2018, 06:15:42 PM
I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.
I'm expecting to see everybody in a better light to be honest
Yep, I think this is a good chance for a lot of players who have been well below the standard you'd expect. I expect Grealish, McGinn, El Ghazi and Kodjia in particular to benefit over the next 3-4 months (probably Hogan, Thor and Lansbury as well).
Post by: Lsvilla on October 19, 2018, 06:23:09 PM
Me too. And I think we’ll be rewarded. Dean Smith’s Brentford side weren’t afraid to mix it when the opportunity arose.I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.
I'm expecting to see everybody in a better light to be honest
True enough. I still intend to demand a bit of "kick him up the fucking bollocks John" amongst enjoying football with a plan and played on the floor.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 19, 2018, 06:28:21 PM
Me too. And I think we’ll be rewarded. Dean Smith’s Brentford side weren’t afraid to mix it when the opportunity arose.I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.
I'm expecting to see everybody in a better light to be honest
True enough. I still intend to demand a bit of "kick him up the fucking bollocks John" amongst enjoying football with a plan and played on the floor.
They reminded me of Fulham. Lauded for their football but a right dirty bunch of fuckers at times which a career in lower league playing will teach you.
Post by: Diablo on October 19, 2018, 07:07:57 PM
Brentford impressed me with their ability to give it out a bit on their last visit to Villa Park, they were no shrinking violets.Me too. And I think we’ll be rewarded. Dean Smith’s Brentford side weren’t afraid to mix it when the opportunity arose.I think we will see the best of McGinn under the new regime I should add.
I'm expecting to see everybody in a better light to be honest
True enough. I still intend to demand a bit of "kick him up the fucking bollocks John" amongst enjoying football with a plan and played on the floor.
Any more for any more? https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11516456/watch-vote-sky-bet-championship-league-one-and-league-two-goals-of-the-month-september
Post by: Eckybloke on October 19, 2018, 09:42:03 PM
55% JM.
Post by: Ad@m on October 20, 2018, 01:11:29 PM
Post by: GarTomas on October 20, 2018, 01:30:42 PM
I've just got him up to 56% - 15% ahead now. It's in the bag!
The onion bag!!
Post by: Steve67 on October 20, 2018, 04:55:07 PM
Post by: GarTomas on October 20, 2018, 05:10:44 PM
Reckon he covered at least 1km more than others.
Post by: mcgrath_85 on October 20, 2018, 05:13:19 PM
Suspended for Tuesday away to Norwich. Chance for Smith to look at other players.
I’d like him to play every game! On the upside though, he grafted today and more than likely did for Scotland during the break, so at least he’ll be nice and fresh for QPR on Friday night!
Post by: achilles on October 20, 2018, 06:51:26 PM
Post by: manic-road on October 20, 2018, 06:55:57 PM
I thought he was brilliant today, he epitomises everything Dean Smith looks for in a player, dynamism, tackles well, passes well, always working and looking for the ball!
Yes he was colossus today, haven't seen a tenacious tackler like that at VP for a while.
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 20, 2018, 07:19:37 PM
I thought he was brilliant today, he epitomises everything Dean Smith looks for in a player, dynamism, tackles well, passes well, always working and looking for the ball!
Yes he was colossus today, haven't seen a tenacious tackler like that at VP for a while.
Best performance in a Villa shirt so far, workrate and tenacity are a pleasure to watch. A definite "throwback" to the 70s and 80s
Post by: CT on October 20, 2018, 07:31:02 PM
I wouldn't thank Steve Bruce for much, but I do for signing him.
Post by: paul_e on October 20, 2018, 07:33:50 PM
Post by: olaftab on October 20, 2018, 07:44:00 PM
Post by: Richard E on October 20, 2018, 07:50:43 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 20, 2018, 07:50:56 PM
Post by: robleflaneur on October 20, 2018, 07:53:05 PM
Post by: Richard E on October 20, 2018, 07:55:15 PM
Post by: brian green on October 20, 2018, 08:09:37 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 20, 2018, 08:12:25 PM
He will get better as he gets used to the pace and fitness of English football.
He will get better when his bloody teammates get up to his speed.
Post by: Villa Lew on October 20, 2018, 08:15:35 PM
Suspended for Tuesday away to Norwich. Chance for Smith to look at other players.With the Scotland games, he's played a lot of football this season, so the break, even though it's only 6 days, will do him good.
Post by: Ad@m on October 20, 2018, 08:20:10 PM
McGinn uses his arse like Gareth Barry. And that is a high compliment rather than a piss take.
He tackles with his arse rather than his feet!
Post by: Rigadon on October 20, 2018, 08:23:54 PM
Post by: martyn ellis on October 20, 2018, 09:32:01 PM
Post by: Ads on October 20, 2018, 09:39:07 PM
Post by: Ad@m on October 20, 2018, 09:45:59 PM
He steals the ball, he screens the ball and he shields the ball to perfection. Great skills, although I'm sure he'll get sent off before long if he mistimes one of his 100mph lunges.
If that prick who assaulted Grealish today near the dugouts didn't get sent off then McGinniesta should be fine.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 20, 2018, 10:07:19 PM
Post by: villan from luton on October 20, 2018, 10:18:36 PM
He steals the ball, he screens the ball and he shields the ball to perfection. Great skills, although I'm sure he'll get sent off before long if he mistimes one of his 100mph lunges.
If that prick who assaulted Grealish today near the dugouts didn't get sent off then McGinniesta should be fine.
The ref didn't even give a foul for the assault on Grealish did he? Got to say these refs are getting worse, if that is possible.
SJM was superb and has the energy and drive that the manager will be expecting from all of the players in the coming months.
Post by: walsall villain on October 20, 2018, 10:21:37 PM
He was superb but sometimes his over exuberance gets him into trouble and he loses the ball. But you cannot teach over exuberance. He’s got it in abundance and a first class attitude. Brilliant player.Our best player for me today. I’m really impressed with his tenacity and energy. Hopefully we will manage without him Tuesday.
Post by: Ad@m on October 20, 2018, 10:22:28 PM
The ref didn't even give a foul for the assault on Grealish did he?
No - absolute joker!
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 20, 2018, 10:27:20 PM
Post by: vilan461 on October 20, 2018, 10:32:41 PM
Post by: Matt Collins on October 21, 2018, 07:38:19 AM
Does need to learn when to press etc. But I thought he was terrific
Outshone grealish
Post by: chrisw1 on October 21, 2018, 07:51:50 AM
Post by: Ads on October 21, 2018, 10:17:59 AM
Post by: curiousorange on October 21, 2018, 10:19:45 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on October 21, 2018, 10:37:57 AM
Someone who will massively prosper in the Smith system imo. I think he's done pretty well in most of his games so far.
Only real problem I foresee is that Grealish likes to drift out to the left a bit and I think that is area where McGinn is most effective. He certainly got stuck in and broke play up well yesterday.
Post by: waynejames on October 21, 2018, 10:42:10 AM
McGinn was brilliant yesterday. One of those all-action midfield performances that opposition teams hate.Manages to produce an exclusion zone around himself by getting low down and sticking his bum out (more tea vicar) to shield the ball whilst being challenged.
Reminds me of Mark Hughes in that respect.
He was head and shoulders above anything else on that pitch yesterday.
The premier league sides will come a knocking if he keeps this form up.
How do we stop that......
Get promoted
Post by: Clampy on October 21, 2018, 10:45:26 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 21, 2018, 11:32:30 AM
I really like him.
Post by: olaftab on October 21, 2018, 11:36:41 AM
Yes, he was excellent again. It'll be interesting to see who replaces him on Tuesday.I think it should be Micah Richards with strict instructions that if he doesn't cover the same distance as McGinn did yesterday his contract would be immediately cancelled.
Post by: Matt Collins on October 21, 2018, 12:35:25 PM
Yes, he was excellent again. It'll be interesting to see who replaces him on Tuesday.
Hourihane surely?
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2018, 01:24:27 PM
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Post by: Ad@m on October 24, 2018, 06:34:19 AM
Reminds me a little of Milner when he played in the centre...and now for Liverpool.
I'd love to see McGinn v Milner on a bleep test. They'd run out of bleeps before either of those two gave up!
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 10, 2018, 08:14:32 PM
I've only seen the briefest of highlights, but brilliant, again.
Post by: Ad@m on November 10, 2018, 08:18:38 PM
With his engine he's capable of doing that so I can see him getting in to double-figures this season.
Post by: brian green on November 10, 2018, 08:30:16 PM
Post by: john e on November 10, 2018, 08:49:25 PM
His work rate is prodigious. Best engine in a Villa player since George Boateng.
and you and I will also remember Bremner and Carrodus who had similar engines
Post by: achilles on November 10, 2018, 08:55:52 PM
Post by: Steve67 on November 10, 2018, 11:03:57 PM
Post by: XXVilla on November 10, 2018, 11:07:57 PM
Post by: VillaAlways on November 10, 2018, 11:17:42 PM
McGinn is the type of player we should be looking at signingConfused.com Not sure if serious etc etc....
Post by: Steve67 on November 10, 2018, 11:18:16 PM
McGinn is the type of player we should be looking at signing
Four year contract not long enough for you?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 10, 2018, 11:19:28 PM
McGinn is the type of player we should be looking at signingConfused.com Not sure if serious etc etc....
probably means of that ilk
Post by: olaftab on November 10, 2018, 11:30:10 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 10, 2018, 11:59:51 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2018, 12:05:11 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 11, 2018, 12:21:31 AM
I don't give a fucketty fuck if he's good enough play at a higher level,he's just an ace footballer
I fucking love him.
I love the busy way he runs, he looks like he's got an invisible shopping bag over each arm, the way he scurries around.
He's an absolute quality player.
Post by: Colhint on November 11, 2018, 01:31:43 AM
McGinn puts in a glorious cross from the left and McGinn was there at the far post to head it in.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 11, 2018, 01:46:21 AM
As an aside, when I phoned up to cancel my Beer52 subscription, when the bloke asked what my email address was when I got to the "AVFC" bit he pretty much shouted down the phone "Super John McGinn!", they're based in Edinburgh so the next 10 mins was spent talking about him and how he's doing. They still love him up there, well the Hibs half do.
Post by: XXVilla on November 11, 2018, 06:42:23 AM
McGinn is the type of player we should be looking at signingConfused.com Not sure if serious etc etc....
Correct. It was a joke
Post by: brian green on November 11, 2018, 06:53:31 AM
Post by: Mister E on November 11, 2018, 08:46:48 AM
Energy, attitude and an eye for goal.
Post by: Villa Lew on November 11, 2018, 09:56:53 AM
Just needs to stop the yellow cards count. We can't afford to be without him.Yeah that's the only criticism I have of him, he's already served a one match ban, otherwise he's been brilliant. Reminds me very much of Des Bremner.
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2018, 10:02:31 AM
Post by: kipeye on November 11, 2018, 10:25:28 AM
Agree with the comparison-although I cannot remember Des scoring a header-not one he meant anyway.Just needs to stop the yellow cards count. We can't afford to be without him.Yeah that's the only criticism I have of him, he's already served a one match ban, otherwise he's been brilliant. Reminds me very much of Des Bremner.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 11, 2018, 12:14:25 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on November 11, 2018, 01:22:31 PM
Agree with the comparison-although I cannot remember Des scoring a header-not one he meant anyway.Just needs to stop the yellow cards count. We can't afford to be without him.Yeah that's the only criticism I have of him, he's already served a one match ban, otherwise he's been brilliant. Reminds me very much of Des Bremner.
Go to 09:20
Post by: kipeye on November 11, 2018, 02:23:44 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 11, 2018, 03:16:02 PM
The lad is brilliant. If I'm grateful to Bruce for one thing, it's signing McGinn. It was absolute highway robbery to get him for the price we did, can't believe he was so cheap or that he didn't go a Premier League team to be honest. He looks a £20m player all day long.
Given how skint most of Scottish football is you almost feel bad for Hibs. To the extent that you might hope there is tiny performance clause in the deal so that if we go up they get something for what is highway robbery.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 11, 2018, 03:29:37 PM
Post by: clash city rocker on November 11, 2018, 09:20:11 PM
I don't hope that, we paid the fee they wanted. If he'd turned out to be crap they wouldn't be offering to give us any money back.
Wouldn't it be great if we could take some off our recent signings back and get a full refund. Perhaps we should sign players by using the company credit card so that we can claim against the credit card company when we realise we have signed a defective player.
Post by: Richard E on November 11, 2018, 09:26:51 PM
I don't hope that, we paid the fee they wanted. If he'd turned out to be crap they wouldn't be offering to give us any money back.
Wouldn't it be great if we could take some off our recent signings back and get a full refund. Perhaps we should sign players by using the company credit card so that we can claim against the credit card company when we realise we have signed a defective player.
We'd be limited to only signing players for between £10 and £30,000. Like Small Heath.
Post by: clash city rocker on November 11, 2018, 09:33:17 PM
I don't hope that, we paid the fee they wanted. If he'd turned out to be crap they wouldn't be offering to give us any money back.
Wouldn't it be great if we could take some off our recent signings back and get a full refund. Perhaps we should sign players by using the company credit card so that we can claim against the credit card company when we realise we have signed a defective player.
We'd be limited to only signing players for between £10 and £30,000. Like Small Heath.
Can't we get a £30m limit or is £30k the most you can claim back ? If that's the case to take back Richard's. Etc.. and at least get something back would have helped our FFP problems no end.
Post by: darren woolley on November 12, 2018, 10:38:50 AM
Post by: olaftab on November 12, 2018, 10:54:04 AM
Post by: dicedlam on November 12, 2018, 11:26:11 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on November 12, 2018, 12:26:18 PM
I would still love to see Grealish pushed up a bit further on the left with McGinn supporting him and a good, attacking left back bombing on outside them.
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 12, 2018, 01:41:14 PM
Post by: Matt Collins on November 13, 2018, 07:24:43 AM
Although he scored from another position on Saturday, I do like him playing on the left side of central midfield. As he showed on Saturday, he produces real quality from areas on the left and looks a threat on that side.
I would still love to see Grealish pushed up a bit further on the left with McGinn supporting him and a good, attacking left back bombing on outside them.
I agree that's McGinn's best position
But I think jack should play centrally so we just need them both to move around into positions
Post by: chrisw1 on November 15, 2018, 10:35:33 AM
Post by: andyh on November 15, 2018, 11:33:41 AM
Post by: Villafirst on November 15, 2018, 11:54:11 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 16, 2018, 09:31:52 PM
Pointless international breaks! All we need is Chester to get injured!
FFS!
Post by: QuintonVilla on November 16, 2018, 10:04:47 PM
Pointless international breaks! All we need is Chester to get injured!I blame you for this!
McGinn, Chester and Bjarnason all injured. Good job we've got a nice easy game next week.
Post by: not3bad on November 16, 2018, 10:45:58 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 23, 2018, 01:42:41 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 23, 2018, 03:04:46 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 23, 2018, 03:39:59 PM
Post by: Villafirst on November 23, 2018, 04:09:33 PM
Post by: footyskillz on December 03, 2018, 06:15:52 PM
Certainly against Boro he was the one who was higher up the pitch than Grealish who droppped a bit deeper.
Interesting moves as Grealish wasn't getting in box or shooting as much last few matches as he was previous.
I think eventually they will work in tandem but with Hourihane and Mcginn in middle I think smith likes Mcginn further forward runs and Grealish offers the right foot balance closer to Hourihane.
In tine the fluidity will come as will balance because I think a new dm or Whelan with mcginn could see Grealish pushed further forward.
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 16, 2018, 02:26:48 PM
Post by: john e on December 16, 2018, 02:42:05 PM
Far too deep yesterday to influence the game
We’ve only got two really good midfielders he’s one of them and the other didn’t play yesterday so he was always going to be up against it
Post by: themossman on December 16, 2018, 02:47:25 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 16, 2018, 06:49:00 PM
I don’t actually mind him in a deeper role as long as Bolasie and el Ghazi are carrying a threat but they didn’t yesterday.
He was neutrailised yestereday, ineffective and couldnt influence anything if truth be told.
Post by: themossman on December 16, 2018, 09:32:55 PM
Post by: andyh on December 16, 2018, 10:32:58 PM
Post by: olaftab on December 16, 2018, 11:09:58 PM
Post by: mr underhill on December 18, 2018, 07:39:30 AM
Post by: john e on December 18, 2018, 09:03:54 AM
we should be prepared to resist bids in the summer, I think. Bruce's best permanent signing, IMO.
Bruce - McGinn
Lambert - Benteke
both left us very nice parting gifts if not a lot else
Post by: Clampy on December 18, 2018, 09:41:55 AM
we should be prepared to resist bids in the summer, I think. Bruce's best permanent signing, IMO.
Maybe if we don't get promoted that might happen but I don't think it's worth worrying about too much at the moment.
Post by: exigo on December 18, 2018, 12:43:35 PM
we should be prepared to resist bids in the summer, I think. Bruce's best permanent signing, IMO.
Seem to remember his quotes at the time didn't exactly make it sound like he'd scouted or chosen McGinn. "The owners want us to work with younger, hungrier players" was the gist.
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 18, 2018, 12:49:31 PM
Post by: mr underhill on December 18, 2018, 02:04:25 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2018, 02:55:14 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on December 18, 2018, 03:57:01 PM
I'm not a fan of Bruce but I think it's unfair to assume that he knew nothing of McGinn, there's no real evidence to back that up.Absolutely. For all the valid criticisms re style and not achieving what he should have, it's pretty churlish to make up (or assume) more stuff to kick him with.
Post by: Steve67 on December 18, 2018, 04:32:14 PM
Post by: footyskillz on January 02, 2019, 12:19:17 PM
I think if he plays left side or deeper rather than right side of midfield
Does have tendency to give ball away but win it back lately maybe tiredness his play hasn't been above 6 but due to his energy and in comparison to others it looks like he's playing better .
However some of his football play and senseless bookings need working on to improve
Post by: Matt Collins on January 03, 2019, 10:09:46 AM
He's just tired
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 03, 2019, 10:16:57 PM
He's just knackered.
Post by: mike on January 03, 2019, 10:36:12 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 03, 2019, 10:41:17 PM
He's brilliant
He's just tired
Don't think he's even that knackered as he kept up with Eze in the 97th minute the other day.
Post by: adrenachrome on January 04, 2019, 12:05:30 AM
He's brilliant
He's just tired
Don't think he's even that knackered as he kept up with Eze in the 97th minute the other day.
Good point.
His knackerdness comes in spurts, from which he soon recovers. In that respect, he reminds me very much of my brother's Cocker Spaniel, Charlie. He will run up and down the Malvern Hills for an hour before retiring panting under a bush, and you think he is going to peg out. 10 minutes later he is off again.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2019, 02:02:37 AM
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 04, 2019, 04:40:05 AM
Post by: Matt Collins on January 04, 2019, 07:18:58 AM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on January 04, 2019, 08:57:19 AM
I think his best position is as an 8 alongside grealish. He gets around the pitch. He'd be wasted sitting deepGrealish & McGinn roving just behind the front three - Newby at DM (whoever that may be)
Post by: paul_e on January 04, 2019, 09:45:05 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 04, 2019, 10:19:46 AM
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2019, 10:47:21 AM
He’s an obvious talent but less obvious is a system to play him in, Ive said it before but he doesn’t get involved in build up play enough for me and, given his excellent energy and striking technique, he hasn’t influenced scores as much as she should have.
Completely agree. I was hoping he'd step up a bit more after Grealish's injury, but he hasn't really. I'm hoping his relatively poor performances in the last few games are down to fatigue, rather than Smith not knowing what to do with him.
Post by: john e on January 04, 2019, 01:28:18 PM
He’s an obvious talent but less obvious is a system to play him in, Ive said it before but he doesn’t get involved in build up play enough for me and, given his excellent energy and striking technique, he hasn’t influenced scores as much as she should have.
Completely agree. I was hoping he'd step up a bit more after Grealish's injury, but he hasn't really. I'm hoping his relatively poor performances in the last few games are down to fatigue, rather than Smith not knowing what to do with him.
he's an enabler he creates the space and ball for the likes of Grealish to perform well
hes our own little modern version of Des Bremner, but Des had Mortimer, Cowans, Morley to get going,
at the moment Mcginn working with Hourahane, Whelan, Barny,
its not quite the same, he needs some quality around him and he will flourish
Post by: Clampy on January 04, 2019, 01:51:57 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 04, 2019, 08:41:47 PM
I'd just play him in Hourihane's position tbh but we need to get in a new DM (and also get Jack back) for that to happen.
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 04, 2019, 11:37:38 PM
Post by: GarTomas on January 19, 2019, 05:33:28 PM
Puts some of our senior players to shame.
Post by: brontebilly on January 19, 2019, 05:41:41 PM
Just doesnt lose the ball and uses his arse to shield the ball expertly.
Over the past 10 years, he is part of a very small minority of our players that you could say that about.
Sad to say, but he needs to leave us asap as does Grealish.
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 19, 2019, 06:05:01 PM
Its something small but he is a guaranteed possession retainer from a throw in.
Just doesnt lose the ball and uses his arse to shield the ball expertly.
Over the past 10 years, he is part of a very small minority of our players that you could say that about.
Sad to say, but he needs to leave us asap as does Grealish.
Don't say it. Much can change in football over a short period. I only remember Wolves being uber shite . Now they are bang average.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 19, 2019, 06:29:18 PM
Post by: Ads on January 19, 2019, 07:46:47 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 19, 2019, 07:59:14 PM
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 19, 2019, 08:18:12 PM
A one man midfield doing the work of three. Expect burn out or an injury because of it very soon
Post by: Villa75 on January 19, 2019, 11:24:49 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 19, 2019, 11:28:33 PM
Post by: Roysmert on January 19, 2019, 11:31:15 PM
We’re a two man team.
Post by: Des Little on January 19, 2019, 11:32:05 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on January 19, 2019, 11:43:07 PM
A one man midfield doing the work of three. Expect burn out or an injury because of it very soon
Good point.
We have give to give him more support and protection, otherwise it is likely to end badly. A decent DCM would help greatly as would wide players who are not on auto-pilot.
Post by: LukeJames on January 19, 2019, 11:48:47 PM
Post by: CT on January 20, 2019, 08:19:45 AM
Lose him from the midfield and we're done for.
I know Tammy has bagged all the goals, but he's my Player Of The Year, easily.
Post by: CJ on January 20, 2019, 09:40:45 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2019, 09:56:52 AM
Post by: Ads on January 20, 2019, 10:38:28 AM
Post by: CJ on January 20, 2019, 12:13:03 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2019, 02:39:18 PM
Post by: footyskillz on January 29, 2019, 10:57:33 PM
Said this
"I think we played a lot better. It was clear to see. We moved the ball a lot quicker. We had a lot of chances – myself included. That’s something I will be working on but, overall, the three points were absolutely vital.
“We need to use the win as a springboard. We have a tough run of games coming up. Everyone knows that.
"But that’s where, previously, we showed our best performances this season.
"If we can get a win against Reading next weekend and carry that on, then who knows what could happen.”
Post by: UK Redsox on March 04, 2019, 09:23:32 AM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leciester-city-mcginn-celtic-villa-15915360
Post by: darren woolley on March 04, 2019, 09:25:41 AM
Since Rodgers wanted McGinn at Celtic, there might be some truth in this one
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leciester-city-mcginn-celtic-villa-15915360
Let's hope not.
Post by: UK Redsox on March 04, 2019, 09:37:39 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on March 04, 2019, 10:18:29 AM
Post by: Eckybloke on March 04, 2019, 10:23:36 AM
Since Rodgers wanted McGinn at Celtic, there might be some truth in this one
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leciester-city-mcginn-celtic-villa-15915360
What a load of rehashed old shite, we shouldn't be falling for clickbait like that any more! Nothing of any substance in it at all and no quotes about JM from beyond when he signed for us.
Post by: sickbeggar on March 04, 2019, 10:28:05 AM
Post by: Steve67 on March 04, 2019, 08:44:12 PM
Post by: john e on March 04, 2019, 08:59:42 PM
he's a good player, one our best, young lots of potential and currently playing in the championship
I would be more surprised if there wasn't any transfer links
Post by: chrisw1 on March 04, 2019, 09:15:34 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 04, 2019, 09:21:35 PM
Post by: olaftab on March 04, 2019, 09:40:06 PM
Post by: LukeJames on March 04, 2019, 09:56:32 PM
An absolute gash paper, the Wolverhampton Express and Star is light years ahead of the Mail when it comes to Villa reporting.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 05, 2019, 12:48:52 PM
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043
Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.
I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.
Post by: Drummond on March 05, 2019, 01:27:32 PM
I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043
Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.
I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.
Why is it 'very possible'?
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 05, 2019, 01:29:15 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on March 05, 2019, 03:33:20 PM
I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043
Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.
I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.
Neil Moxley. That name rings a bell.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 05, 2019, 09:04:18 PM
I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043
Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.
I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.
Why is it 'very possible'?
Managers speak to journalists all the time about transfer targets so don't see why he wouldn't tip one off who he got on well with in Glasgow so the player notices and sees said manager still rates him....
All part of the act.
Post by: adrenachrome on March 06, 2019, 01:49:07 AM
I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043
Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.
I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.
Why is it 'very possible'?
Managers speak to journalists all the time about transfer targets so don't see why he wouldn't tip one off who he got on well with in Glasgow so the player notices and sees said manager still rates him....
All part of the act.
Neil is from Brum, and lives in Warwickshire.
https://muckrack.com/neil-moxley
Post by: Clampy on March 06, 2019, 07:09:52 AM
I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043
Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.
I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.
Why is it 'very possible'?
Managers speak to journalists all the time about transfer targets so don't see why he wouldn't tip one off who he got on well with in Glasgow so the player notices and sees said manager still rates him....
All part of the act.
But he doesn't need to tip a journalist off. It's common knowledge to everyone and the player Celtic wanted him so it's just as likely the journalist has put two and two together. Besides, Mcginn would find out of interest through his agent rather than the press.
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on March 06, 2019, 08:03:23 AM
I can't stand the Mail either but this story first appeared in the Daily Record on Sunday:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-transfer-news/brendan-rodgers-wants-dedryck-boyata-14078043
Very possible Rodgers would have given a nugget of info to one of their reporters about likely transfer targets.
I love McGinn but if it's a choice of between selling him or Jack to pay the bills him all day long.
Neil Moxley. That name rings a bell.
Moxley is chief sports writer at the Sunday People, but covers us mostly. Story must be syndicated to the Scottish paper so not likely attributable to Rogers while he was there.
Post by: Ads on March 06, 2019, 11:51:43 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 06, 2019, 12:06:02 PM
Moxley is a Nose.
Who has been writing about the Villa for over twenty years and has a bit more professionalism about him than to let the team he supports get in the way of the job he does.
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 10, 2019, 03:52:52 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 10, 2019, 03:54:42 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 10, 2019, 03:57:52 PM
That said at least he'll be very fresh for Wednesday now.
Post by: supertom on March 10, 2019, 04:20:27 PM
Post by: KRS on March 10, 2019, 04:22:45 PM
Post by: Steve67 on March 10, 2019, 10:35:02 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 10, 2019, 11:14:17 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 10, 2019, 11:32:14 PM
Game changed when SJM came on.
Yep. And, I’d go as far to say that his 2 week ban has helped us for the run in.
Post by: john e on March 11, 2019, 02:56:29 PM
well he did have a choice yesterday and he preferred Whelan and Hourihane over Mcginn,
think about that
we won the the game so it papered over the cracks of a terrible decision
there was no technical genius substitutions going on just a putting on the second best midfielder we have at the club with the obvious conclusions
we played over an hour with a shit midfield bested by Blues until he made the change we should have started with
I bet there's not many who want him to put McGinn on the bench for Forest
if this is the new dawn under Smith he's not going to get away with making stupid decisions like that when he has a big call to make
great win in the end because he did what was blatantly obvious but I've lost a lot of confidence in Smith making the right judgement call in the future, honestly thought he was better than that
can you imagine what McGinn must have felt like after being probably the most consistent player we have had this season
I can't count how many match threads have said 'midfield shit again apart from McGinn' and there he is playing second fiddle to an ageing Whelan passing the ball to the crowd for an hour in a massive game for us as well as a local derby
unbeleivably bad judgment call from Smith imo
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 11, 2019, 03:04:03 PM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on March 11, 2019, 03:05:18 PM
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 11, 2019, 03:07:20 PM
Post by: Villa Lew on March 11, 2019, 05:30:39 PM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on March 11, 2019, 05:34:50 PM
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on March 11, 2019, 05:46:54 PM
Post by: john e on March 11, 2019, 06:15:05 PM
that's not being tactically aware that's scoring an own goal before you start
vindicated or not i a can guarantee he won't make the same mistake on Wednesday because he should know by now that is what it was
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 11, 2019, 06:26:52 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 11, 2019, 06:29:51 PM
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2019, 06:32:10 PM
I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.
Quite agree. Think Smith got it bang on the money.
Post by: john e on March 11, 2019, 06:35:19 PM
I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.
so we dont carry on starting with a winning side then
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 11, 2019, 06:37:41 PM
I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.
so we dont carry on starting with a winning side then
We pick the best team for the match, as we did yesterday.
Post by: john e on March 11, 2019, 06:41:20 PM
I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.
so we dont carry on starting with a winning side then
We pick the best team for the match, as we did yesterday.
it wasn’t the best team though was it as was quite clearly proved yesterday when we bought a lot better player on in the second half and immediately started to play err...a lot better
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 11, 2019, 06:44:46 PM
I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.
so we dont carry on starting with a winning side then
We pick the best team for the match, as we did yesterday.
it wasn’t the best team though was it as was quite clearly proved yesterday when we bought a lot better player on in the second half and immediately started to play err...a lot better
It wasn't proved at all. The match evolved, as these matches often do, and our manager changed the team as circumstances altered.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 11, 2019, 06:45:46 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on March 11, 2019, 06:49:08 PM
I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.
so we dont carry on starting with a winning side then
We pick the best team for the match, as we did yesterday.
it wasn’t the best team though was it as was quite clearly proved yesterday when we bought a lot better player on in the second half and immediately started to play err...a lot better
He was only on for 20 odd minutes and got himself booked, the way things were going in the first half I think Whelan was the better option. McGinn was then able to come on and make an immediate impact.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 11, 2019, 06:58:26 PM
I reckon McGinn will start next game and is the right choice to. Whelan was the right one to start on Sunday.
so we dont carry on starting with a winning side then
I didnt say we should did I. Nice try though. Smith got it right even if you disagree with it.
Post by: john e on March 11, 2019, 07:01:52 PM
my last word tonight on it is if you have to leave one player out and the choice is Whelan, Hourihane and McGinn
for me the last one you leave out is McGinn
nothing to do with starting with a winning team (which he probably won’t do on Wednesday) or anything to do with experience, caution or whatever happened in the last game
just imo McGinn is a better player than the other two put together by a million miles
and in big games of football imo you should always go with your best players
imo obviously
Post by: brontebilly on March 11, 2019, 07:25:20 PM
Who managed to get booked AGAIN, and their central midfield substitute nearly scored twice.
McGinn got booked? Must have missed that.
Up to those daft passes, I thought Whelan was having another solid game. Hourihane was the one who had let the game pass him by up to that point. His goal threat was the sole reason he wasn't hooked, almost paid dividends too.
McGinn was superb on the ball when he came in but without it he doesn't have much presence either. Gets caught wrong side far too often and needs to take a share of blame for our sieve like midfield all season. I thought we missed Whelan' s presence in front of back four for last 10 mins.
No idea what BB's remit was when he came in but surely he should have been sitting a bit deeper. In hindsight, Jedinak would have been the better shout.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 11, 2019, 08:14:13 PM
But on the note about his disciplinary issues, he has to cut that out. We all love what he brings but he has to find a way to balance his assets with his over exuberance which gets him into trouble.
Post by: LeeB on March 11, 2019, 08:24:21 PM
Who managed to get booked AGAIN, and their central midfield substitute nearly scored twice.
McGinn got booked? Must have missed that.
Up to those daft passes, I thought Whelan was having another solid game. Hourihane was the one who had let the game pass him by up to that point. His goal threat was the sole reason he wasn't hooked, almost paid dividends too.
McGinn was superb on the ball when he came in but without it he doesn't have much presence either. Gets caught wrong side far too often and needs to take a share of blame for our sieve like midfield all season. I thought we missed Whelan' s presence in front of back four for last 10 mins.
No idea what BB's remit was when he came in but surely he should have been sitting a bit deeper. In hindsight, Jedinak would have been the better shout.
He got booked for bumping into the full back that had just nearly cut Tammy in half and got away with it.
Post by: KRS on March 12, 2019, 04:08:41 AM
Under normal circumstances SJM should have started but Whelan provided a calming level head when it was all kicking off, however he showed how inept he can be with several missed placed passes which could have easily been punished by a better team. It's a nice luxury to be able to bring better players off the bench, but we can't afford to have one of our best players on the bench or played out of position so SJM has to be restored to the lineup at the expense of Whelan, Hourihane, El Ghazi or Adomah.
Post by: Drummond on March 12, 2019, 11:10:29 AM
well you’ll be glad to know I’m not going to carry on banging on about it
my last word tonight on it is if you have to leave one player out and the choice is Whelan, Hourihane and McGinn
for me the last one you leave out is McGinn
nothing to do with starting with a winning team (which he probably won’t do on Wednesday) or anything to do with experience, caution or whatever happened in the last game
just imo McGinn is a better player than the other two put together by a million miles
and in big games of football imo you should always go with your best players
imo obviously
We kept the team that won convincingly.
McGinn did a good job when he came on, due to the circumstances at the time. No one knows whether he'd have been better off starting, but a win away from home suggests the manager got it right.
It wasn't a big game for us.
Post by: themossman on March 12, 2019, 11:45:29 AM
Post by: john e on March 12, 2019, 11:46:41 AM
well you’ll be glad to know I’m not going to carry on banging on about it
my last word tonight on it is if you have to leave one player out and the choice is Whelan, Hourihane and McGinn
for me the last one you leave out is McGinn
nothing to do with starting with a winning team (which he probably won’t do on Wednesday) or anything to do with experience, caution or whatever happened in the last game
just imo McGinn is a better player than the other two put together by a million miles
and in big games of football imo you should always go with your best players
imo obviously
We kept the team that won convincingly.
McGinn did a good job when he came on, due to the circumstances at the time. No one knows whether he'd have been better off starting, but a win away from home suggests the manager got it right.
It wasn't a big game for us.
do you think we should keep the winning team on Wednesday night to keep the roll going
Post by: themossman on March 12, 2019, 12:08:54 PM
Post by: john e on March 12, 2019, 03:18:34 PM
i do think McGinn is a very special player, i really do whereas i don't think Whelan is
so there's is no comparison in my view,
i personally would never pick Whelan or any other midfield player for that matter over McGinn apart from Jack because i think he's that good, even when he has a bad game he's better than the rest
but obviously if you don't quite have such a high opinion of Mcginn (admitedly mine is maybe too high) and you think Whelan is more useful than i do then the choice becomes closer, whereas to me its not even close
so i look at it and think there's no choice to be made but others including the manager thinks there is
i must accept that people think differently to me on our players,
i was exactly the same on the Grealish thread a few years ago when he was considered to be lightwieght and not offering much,
i went all over the top defending him because i thought he was fantastic, when in reality he was probably not anywhere near the player he is now
i can be a bit one eyed on stuff so please forgive me for being a bit hot headed on this thread and others
i have to realise not every on sees the game and looks at the players in the same way as i do,
and i can go off on one like a big twat
Post by: fbriai on March 12, 2019, 03:29:20 PM
I love McGinn as well - don't we all? He's a fantastic player.
I just thought that, after the Derby game, keeping the same starting line-up was the right thing to do. Everything had worked so seamlessly in that match and Whelan had had a really good game in front of the back-four, so sticking with that team, with the chance to bring McGinn on off the bench on the hour, was, for me, the right way to go.
I think it also sent out a positive message, in that Smith can honestly now look them in the eye and say to them, 'if you perform, you will be given a chance', something he wouldn't have been able to do had he dropped Whelan or Hourihane on the back of the previous performance.
Be interesting to see what he does tomorrow night. I'm sure he will start McGinn, but will he push Whelan or Hourihane to the bench? Think he might stick with Whelan in front of the back four. We'll see. I guess it depends on Whelan's condition as well.
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 12, 2019, 04:25:23 PM
Post by: paul_e on March 12, 2019, 04:34:37 PM
well you’ll be glad to know I’m not going to carry on banging on about it
my last word tonight on it is if you have to leave one player out and the choice is Whelan, Hourihane and McGinn
for me the last one you leave out is McGinn
nothing to do with starting with a winning team (which he probably won’t do on Wednesday) or anything to do with experience, caution or whatever happened in the last game
just imo McGinn is a better player than the other two put together by a million miles
and in big games of football imo you should always go with your best players
imo obviously
We kept the team that won convincingly.
McGinn did a good job when he came on, due to the circumstances at the time. No one knows whether he'd have been better off starting, but a win away from home suggests the manager got it right.
It wasn't a big game for us.
do you think we should keep the winning team on Wednesday night to keep the roll going
That depends, do you mean the team that was on the pitch when we scored or the team that started the game?
Also a 1-nil in a game like that doesn't really carry much by way of momentum, a spanking handed out to a team about is where the 3 in midfield all made massive contributions makes it much more difficult to make chances.
Personally I think Whelan struggles to play every weekend let alone midweek as well so he'd be out for me despite being very good against derby and good in the first half on Sunday. McGinn is the obvious replacement but I'd be a bit nervous about the balance of the midfield, I think we're just too open with CH, SJM and JG.
Post by: KRS on March 12, 2019, 08:39:14 PM
Post by: Matt Collins on March 13, 2019, 06:34:30 AM
I'd play whelan. Hourihane really struggled against first as DM earlier in the season. Carvalho and Lolley just ran through him
Boro don't have those sort of midfielders so id play hourihane for whelan in that one. He did very well at the Riverside
Post by: Duncan Shaw on March 13, 2019, 08:32:23 AM
I think we're just too open with CH, SJM and JG.
I agree, was not the midfield 3 that Forest danced through at will at VP?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 13, 2019, 09:38:51 AM
I think we're just too open with CH, SJM and JG.
I agree, was not the midfield 3 that Forest danced through at will at VP?
It was indeed.
I've also just noticed that we're in a run of 4 games where we're playing teams in the same sequence we played them earlier in the season. Derby, then Blose, these, Boro. A very entertaining ten points then, let's make it twelve this time.
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2019, 11:40:21 AM
i think it probably boils down to how you rate the players involved and everyone sees things differently and sometimes i struggle with that and i should no better at my age
i do think McGinn is a very special player, i really do whereas i don't think Whelan is
so there's is no comparison in my view,
i personally would never pick Whelan or any other midfield player for that matter over McGinn apart from Jack because i think he's that good, even when he has a bad game he's better than the rest
but obviously if you don't quite have such a high opinion of Mcginn (admitedly mine is maybe too high) and you think Whelan is more useful than i do then the choice becomes closer, whereas to me its not even close
so i look at it and think there's no choice to be made but others including the manager thinks there is
i must accept that people think differently to me on our players,
i was exactly the same on the Grealish thread a few years ago when he was considered to be lightwieght and not offering much,
i went all over the top defending him because i thought he was fantastic, when in reality he was probably not anywhere near the player he is now
i can be a bit one eyed on stuff so please forgive me for being a bit hot headed on this thread and others
i have to realise not every on sees the game and looks at the players in the same way as i do,
and i can go off on one like a big twat
We're all the same John.
I think McGinn is fantastic, and has been brilliant since he came. How would you tell the others, after a 3-0 win that they are dropped? In my mind, Whelan retains the ball well, is better than he looks at times and is doing a decent job right now. He isn't explosive, particularly creative or exciting, but he's a decent, solid player that does the job asked of him. Against that lot on Sunday he was a good choice, breaking up play, keeping possession and quietening things down whereas McGinn would have had them baying for more blood.
However, he did what the manager asked when he came on and made a difference when the game was there to be stretched a bit. It worked.
Both teams (i.e. pre and post substitutions) did well on Sunday and depending on the way Smith wants to set up we'll find out tonight. Personally, I'd like Whelan and McGinn in there and Hourihane to have a break.
Post by: Matt Collins on March 13, 2019, 10:47:31 PM
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Post by: john e on March 14, 2019, 08:09:54 AM
the one thing I can give Bruce a bit of credit for
Post by: itbrvilla on March 14, 2019, 08:36:57 AM
I thought he should have buried that chance that hit the post near the end but otherwise he was immense again.Pretty tight angle for him
Post by: dave shelley on March 14, 2019, 10:01:18 AM
Post by: Risso on March 14, 2019, 10:57:15 AM
I said before: he must be horrible to play against. I love him, so much an integral part of our midfield.
Totally agree Dave. One of those players that never lets you have a second's peace. His persistence last night in robbing their defender before scoring was the same as he did against Sheff U in setting up one of the goals. Him and Grealish are a great pairing, because the combination of Jack's out and out skill and ability to beat a man, and McGinn's sheer unrelenting energy and all round quality mean that defenders and midfielders are getting pulled all over the place.
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 14, 2019, 11:04:28 AM
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Post by: chrisw1 on March 15, 2019, 09:46:36 AM
Such an important player for us. The difference he makes to us. He gives us cohesion and purpose. Hope we can get another season out of him...Absolutely no reason why not (FFP excepting) I think it's a very different situation to Jack, he only joined a year ago and I don't see any reason at all why we would feel obliged to let him move on.
Post by: Villafirst on March 21, 2019, 07:04:41 PM
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Post by: LukeJames on March 21, 2019, 07:14:18 PM
Celtic fans rubbishing John McGinn's performance today. Saying he's overrated and glad they didn't sign him!Everybodys happy then.
Post by: eamonn on March 21, 2019, 08:09:53 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 21, 2019, 09:53:00 PM
Post by: footyskillz on March 30, 2019, 08:23:31 PM
So McGinn and his discipline is important to be aware of this as an issue and debate.
I see he was carded again v Blackburn in 77min
So What did John McGinn get book for this time??? The 12 time this season !
I love the guy but the fact is he keeps getting yellow cards is pretty shocking .
And it's annoying me !! so can't imagine what Smith and coaching team thinking as he is in danger of being suspended again
So people know if he gets just 3 more cards he ll be suspended for 3 matches . This happens when incur 15 yellows.
Now if he gets another 3 cards between now and Wembley he be suspended!! Yes the play off matches would be included and do we really see him not getting 3 more cards before the potential final?
I not sure if more bookings could be avoided so if people can shed light on his cautions especially today .
I'm aware he's combative also notice he does some pretty clumsy and awful attempts for tackles as much as being fouled a lot himself.
It's a shame as he's excellent in combative nature but too many yellows!
I laud him like many villa followers just have to say about his cautions!
Post by: Colhint on March 30, 2019, 08:32:45 PM
Post by: Risso on March 30, 2019, 09:08:48 PM
Ok so I here to provide the insight and bring things to attention. I like to think and getting people thinking and aware of things they hadn't considered.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your deep, remarkable insight. I'm sure we're all soooooo very grateful for you bringing things to our attention that we hadn't considered.
Post by: olaftab on March 30, 2019, 10:12:01 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 30, 2019, 10:19:06 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on March 30, 2019, 11:41:08 PM
Ok so I here to provide the insight and bring things to attention. I like to think and getting people thinking and aware of things they hadn't considered.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your deep, remarkable insight. I'm sure we're all soooooo very grateful for you bringing things to our attention that we hadn't considered.
Chortle.
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 31, 2019, 12:23:41 AM
Ok so I here to provide the insight and bring things to attention. I like to think and getting people thinking and aware of things they hadn't considered.
So McGinn and his discipline is important to be aware of this as an issue and debate.
I see he was carded again v Blackburn in 77min
So What did John McGinn get book for this time??? The 12 time this season !
I love the guy but the fact is he keeps getting yellow cards is pretty shocking .
And it's annoying me !! so can't imagine what Smith and coaching team thinking as he is in danger of being suspended again
So people know if he gets just 3 more cards he ll be suspended for 3 matches . This happens when incur 15 yellows.
Now if he gets another 3 cards between now and Wembley he be suspended!! Yes the play off matches would be included and do we really see him not getting 3 more cards before the potential final?
I not sure if more bookings could be avoided so if people can shed light on his cautions especially today .
I'm aware he's combative also notice he does some pretty clumsy and awful attempts for tackles as much as being fouled a lot himself.
It's a shame as he's excellent in combative nature but too many yellows!
I laud him like many villa followers just have to say about his cautions!
FS do you actually go to any matches, as a lot of your views are based on hearsay
Post by: KRS on March 31, 2019, 12:30:40 AM
"Fuck me...McGinn never stops...he's like the Duracell bunny!"
Post by: PeterWithe on March 31, 2019, 08:21:03 AM
That 50 yard run for the corner flag was brilliant. I have never seen another player, Villa or else, ever do that.
In 35 years of going to Villa, I can’t recall us winning a corner being celebrated quite so wildly. Absolutely fantastic play.
Post by: XXVilla on March 31, 2019, 08:44:11 AM
That 50 yard run for the corner flag was brilliant. I have never seen another player, Villa or else, ever do that.
In 35 years of going to Villa, I can’t recall us winning a corner being celebrated quite so wildly. Absolutely fantastic play.
Didn’t it go out for a throw in?
Post by: Dave P on March 31, 2019, 08:53:10 AM
That 50 yard run for the corner flag was brilliant. I have never seen another player, Villa or else, ever do that.
In 35 years of going to Villa, I can’t recall us winning a corner being celebrated quite so wildly. Absolutely fantastic play.
Didn’t it go out for a throw in?
No defiantly a corner.
Post by: XXVilla on March 31, 2019, 08:59:34 AM
That 50 yard run for the corner flag was brilliant. I have never seen another player, Villa or else, ever do that.
In 35 years of going to Villa, I can’t recall us winning a corner being celebrated quite so wildly. Absolutely fantastic play.
Didn’t it go out for a throw in?
No defiantly a corner.
Okay thanks for clarifying.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 31, 2019, 09:17:20 AM
"Dad, how good was John McGinn really?"
"Well, son, there was this one time, Blackburn I think it was..."
Post by: LeeB on March 31, 2019, 09:21:23 AM
I absolutely love him.
Post by: Fred Crump on March 31, 2019, 09:26:46 AM
In isolation, winning a corner's hardly something to recall even past leaving the ground. That yesterday, that, that one act was the stuff of legend.
"Dad, how good was John McGinn really?"
"Well, son, there was this one time, Blackburn I think it was..."
Couldn’t agree more. That one moment sums up why he is fast becoming a rival for my favourite Villa player of all time ( alongside the legendary Ian Taylor)not because of his talent, although, boy does he have some, but the sheer desire that he has to win for Aston Villa. On pure footballing intelligence and will to win, as a manager you’d want a team of 11 John McGinns .
Post by: Fred Crump on March 31, 2019, 09:28:03 AM
He's the embodiment of the culture Saunders bought to the club, steel, determination, selflessness and quality, something we've seen too little of in my time watching us.
I absolutely love him.
This. Far more eloquently put than I can manage.
Post by: PeterWithe on March 31, 2019, 09:32:21 AM
"Dad, how good was John McGinn really?"
"Well, son, there was this one time, Blackburn I think it was..."
Ha, ha.
‘He started his dribble from the bar in the Witton Arms son’
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 31, 2019, 09:52:23 AM
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Post by: taylorsworkrate on March 31, 2019, 12:39:41 PM
Best allround midfielder in the league for me.
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on March 31, 2019, 12:58:29 PM
Can someone clear up bookings/suspension status please? Someone said in a post that he has 12 now and gets 3 matches rest when he gets to 15 however he has recently been out due to accumulated bookings and I thought it all starts again from 0 after a suspension?
I'm pretty sure he's at twelve. He had a two game suspension as he accumulated 10 and has been booked at Birmingham and yesterday. I'm interested to know whether the bookings carry on into the playoffs. For example, if he gets his fifteenth booking in the first leg, should we get there, is that him out of the next two games?
Post by: Villa Lew on March 31, 2019, 01:37:50 PM
http://www.thefa.com/news/2018/jul/31/red-yellow-cards-technical-area-2018-19
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 31, 2019, 02:27:47 PM
Post by: paul_e on March 31, 2019, 07:45:57 PM
Reading that, I'm still a bit unsure. I've taken it as further cards aren't accumulated during the play-offs. But if he were to bag a fifteenth yellow against Norwich, he'd be suspended for them.
Yep, if he gets to 14 I'd be tempted to 'rest' him for any games we have left if the playoffs are on.
Post by: KRS on April 01, 2019, 12:14:55 AM
5 yellows in the first 19 matches = 1 match suspension
10 yellows in the first 37 matches = 2 match suspension
15 yellows in the whole season = 3 match suspension
I can only presume this means for the 46 league games and does not roll over into the playoffs. There's also a question whether or not an EFL league ban would be enforced in the playoffs as its not really the same competition (as per league bans not being applicable in cup games and vice versa).
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 01, 2019, 12:17:30 AM
Post by: KRS on April 01, 2019, 12:27:34 AM
Post by: purpletrousers on April 01, 2019, 12:56:54 AM
In isolation, winning a corner's hardly something to recall even past leaving the ground. That yesterday, that, that one act was the stuff of legend.
"Dad, how good was John McGinn really?"
"Well, son, there was this one time, Blackburn I think it was..."
Couldn’t agree more. That one moment sums up why he is fast becoming a rival for my favourite Villa player of all time ( alongside the legendary Ian Taylor)not because of his talent, although, boy does he have some, but the sheer desire that he has to win for Aston Villa. On pure footballing intelligence and will to win, as a manager you’d want a team of 11 John McGinns .
He's the embodiment of the culture Saunders bought to the club, steel, determination, selflessness and quality, something we've seen too little of in my time watching us.
I absolutely love him.
This. The combination of his tenacity, energy, and a good dose of skill, he really does deserve the Bremner/Taylor #7 shirt of the workhorse. Not only all that, but I’ve just watched every wee SJM video (re-watched some) on the villa YouTube channel. He’s very much like Snodgrass last year, an infectious fun presence, just a really really loveable down to earth personality. I really hope we and he do well enough to keep him for a very long time.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 01, 2019, 01:26:36 AM
There was a rule change at the start of this season which means yellow cards and bans are competition format specific (ie yellow cards picked up in league and cup games are counted and applied to only the competition they were awarded in so you can't be banned in a cup game from a ban received due to yellow cards in league games).
I stand corrected. Sorry for doubting you. 🙂
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 01, 2019, 01:27:24 AM
Post by: KRS on April 01, 2019, 02:23:08 AM
Post by: boozey182 on April 01, 2019, 11:01:19 AM
As a fan, he's everything you want from a player. He's just brilliant. Never before have I replayed winning a corner in my mind over and over again!
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 01, 2019, 05:29:22 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on April 01, 2019, 05:36:41 PM
That run for the corner was a thing of beauty. As was the fist pump to the Holte immediately after.Wonderful, wasn't it? Was getting worried they'd equalise!
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 01, 2019, 05:47:07 PM
Post by: Scratchins on April 01, 2019, 06:49:08 PM
Q What memorable event happened at Villa Park on 30 March 2019?
A John McGinn won a corner
and everyone who was there remembered it.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 01, 2019, 06:56:20 PM
Quiz 2029
Q What memorable event happened at Villa Park on 30 March 2019?
A John McGinn won a corner
and everyone who was there remembered it.
If Carlsberg did "Likes"....
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on April 01, 2019, 07:09:53 PM
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Post by: Dr Butler on April 02, 2019, 08:07:17 AM
I love the way our John plays football....
UTV
The Doc
Post by: WRVilla on April 02, 2019, 09:11:36 AM
I don’t think we will lose him in the summer whatever league we end up in, if we’re still down in the Championship we will probably need to sell Jack in which case we shouldn’t need to sell John too, surely?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 02, 2019, 09:30:21 AM
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Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 02, 2019, 11:13:16 AM
Whatever the outcome of our season, that has to be a standout moment. Imagine being a defender that late in the game and having to chase that. Definitely heading towards Des Bremner status, in fact on second thoughts he's probably attained it.
I love the bloke and all that but steady on - playing well and busting a gut in the Championship vs being a key member of the league and European Cup winning sides!!
Post by: dave shelley on April 02, 2019, 01:40:31 PM
Post by: mike on April 02, 2019, 08:15:54 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 02, 2019, 08:25:35 PM
You see, I've spent 50 plus years as a confirmed heterosexual, a choice which I do not believe to be superior to the alternative, merely the one that I have made.
My Guardian reader cred means I have to point out, it's not a choice being a hetero or homosexual.
Post by: thick_mike on April 03, 2019, 09:30:59 AM
JM2?
Post by: mike on April 03, 2019, 09:35:19 AM
You see, I've spent 50 plus years as a confirmed heterosexual, a choice which I do not believe to be superior to the alternative, merely the one that I have made.
My Guardian reader cred means I have to point out, it's not a choice being a hetero or homosexual.
Thank you. I tried to be inclusive and failed. My nephew is gay, which bothers my family not a jot, but we cannot accept him being a Tory.
Post by: Dazvillain on April 03, 2019, 10:02:59 AM
Whatever the outcome of our season, that has to be a standout moment. Imagine being a defender that late in the game and having to chase that. Definitely heading towards Des Bremner status, in fact on second thoughts he's probably attained it.Seconded, do you think we will hang onto him for next season or given the clubs philosophy changes of increasing value of assets to sell for profit, we’ll sell ?
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 03, 2019, 12:27:46 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 03, 2019, 12:43:13 PM
Post by: dave shelley on April 03, 2019, 01:01:18 PM
Whatever the outcome of our season, that has to be a standout moment. Imagine being a defender that late in the game and having to chase that. Definitely heading towards Des Bremner status, in fact on second thoughts he's probably attained it.Seconded, do you think we will hang onto him for next season or given the clubs philosophy changes of increasing value of assets to sell for profit, we’ll sell ?
I think CD has answered that one Daz. SJM has a substantial contract and my gut feeling is that he'll be here for at least another year regardless.
Post by: darren woolley on April 08, 2019, 12:35:43 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 08, 2019, 12:38:05 PM
15 and that's a 3 match ban which is a worry as he got to 10 yellows about two months ago. I imagine it will continue in play offs if we make it.
Post by: Breezeblock on April 08, 2019, 01:52:48 PM
How many yellows is he on now?He's on 12 according to Whoscored.com (https://www.whoscored.com/Players/318449/Fixtures/John-McGinn)
15 and that's a 3 match ban which is a worry as he got to 10 yellows about two months ago. I imagine it will continue in play offs if we make it.
Post by: exigo on April 08, 2019, 02:17:45 PM
How many yellows is he on now?
15 and that's a 3 match ban which is a worry as he got to 10 yellows about two months ago. I imagine it will continue in play offs if we make it.
Play-off games won't count towards the count (although presumably would towards any ban). The 15 cards limit is until the end of the season.
FA website clicky (http://www.thefa.com/news/2018/jul/31/red-yellow-cards-technical-area-2018-19).
Post by: Richard on April 08, 2019, 02:38:16 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on April 08, 2019, 03:06:01 PM
Thou I dont know as many Villa players as our older posters on here , to me he has got to be in my top 5 best value for money player in my time . I look at the likes of Platt , God Mcgrath and Dwight Yorke for me as value for money , not including any of our own youth players. But SJM has to be in my top 5 already .
Those names mentioned produced quality performances when we were up towards the top end of the top flight, so I wouldn't get too carried away just yet!! One thing I have noticed about McGinn this season though is how good he is at getting his backside into players and rolling them. He does it really well and gets out of tight areas.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 08, 2019, 08:32:59 PM
Would certainly rest him if he's on 14 yellows going into last game!
Post by: KRS on April 08, 2019, 08:46:49 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 08, 2019, 09:36:35 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 08, 2019, 09:56:06 PM
14 and once in the play offs and he gets booked he'd be available for the next game.
Post by: KRS on April 08, 2019, 10:11:24 PM
It's poorly worded but the following part of the FA link states that cumulative bookings do not apply in play off games:
Quote
Number of cautions Cut-off date [inclusive]
Five [Premier League] Following 19 league fixtures
Five [EFL] Following 19 league fixtures
Five [National League] Following 23 league fixtures
10 [Premier League Following 32 league fixtures
10 [EFL] Following 37 league fixtures
10 [National League] Following 37 league fixtures
15 [All leagues] *End of the season**
The remaining competitions will carry suspensions in those competitions only when a player has received two yellow cards in that competition.
N.B. Discipline in the EFL Trophy is competition specific and remains unchanged from last season.
* The FA Women’s Super League does not have cut-off dates. Automatic suspensions for players accumulating 5, 10, 15 cautions etc. will take effect at any stage during the season.
** This does not apply to play-off matches.
We'll need him in all 3 playoff games, so if he gets to 14 yellow cards then he needs to be rested.
Post by: in exile on April 10, 2019, 11:54:20 AM
Just can't risk him
Post by: glinch on April 10, 2019, 12:11:17 PM
My opinion is that he needs to be rested for the lesser games (as in tonight).
Just can't risk him
Bigger risk not getting the points.
Post by: DennisHodgetts on April 10, 2019, 12:20:00 PM
Post by: Nastylee on April 10, 2019, 01:34:04 PM
Post by: in exile on April 10, 2019, 01:35:14 PM
My opinion is that he needs to be rested for the lesser games (as in tonight).
Just can't risk him
Bigger risk not getting the points.
We'll get the points, don't worry :-[
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on April 10, 2019, 02:54:41 PM
Rest Whelan or Jack if anyone tonight IMHO. Not McGinn, he's not the one that's out of sorts over the last few games
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 10, 2019, 04:19:37 PM
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 10, 2019, 04:53:56 PM
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 10, 2019, 09:46:11 PM
Can you imagine him as a kid? "Time for bed now John. You must be tired." As little Johnny smiles before running around for another 92 continuous hours.
Never ever stops working. Superb.
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 10, 2019, 09:47:15 PM
Post by: jcsutv on April 10, 2019, 09:48:14 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 10, 2019, 09:48:41 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 10, 2019, 09:49:10 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 10, 2019, 09:50:38 PM
Post by: charleeco7 on April 10, 2019, 09:52:05 PM
Post by: LukeJames on April 10, 2019, 09:55:09 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on April 10, 2019, 09:56:36 PM
Man of the Match for a change...outstanding tonight. Good job he wasn't rested...
This
Superb performance.
Player of the season even when Tammy scores a hat trick in the play off final to beat Leeds😀
Post by: frank black on April 10, 2019, 09:58:50 PM
Post by: Colhint on April 10, 2019, 10:01:29 PM
Post by: Steve67 on April 10, 2019, 10:17:23 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on April 10, 2019, 10:20:53 PM
Some player isn’t he. We missed Whelan today
Hourihane dead balls were awful. Overall though he did ok
Post by: paul_e on April 10, 2019, 10:36:40 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 11, 2019, 01:31:13 AM
Post by: Smirker on April 11, 2019, 01:34:27 AM
I feel somewhat guilty at having to split my man love between John and Jack.
Same, I just left a nice post in the Grealish thread. I love John too 💜
Post by: andyh on April 13, 2019, 11:04:44 AM
Please, please watch this.
https://twitter.com/darbs1962/status/1116979146087858176?s=21
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 13, 2019, 11:07:36 AM
http://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1116996874160963584
Post by: andyh on April 13, 2019, 11:17:13 AM
This is even better...Wonderful isn’t it?
http://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1116996874160963584
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2019, 05:29:21 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 13, 2019, 05:32:36 PM
Post by: KRS on April 13, 2019, 05:40:01 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 13, 2019, 05:42:25 PM
Makes sense PWS...although I'd be inclined to play him in both the Bolton and Millwall games to make sure we pick up 6pts. He can come off at Bolton once we're 3-0 up! :D
Thing with that is if he gets booked against Bolton it leaves us no wiggle room if we don't win. Any game he plays after that could see him out of x playoff games.
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2019, 05:43:18 PM
I'm going to walk his dog and mow his lawn. He shouldn't move a muscle his week.
He's already walked it 10 miles and mowed the Villa Park pitch while he was doing it.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 13, 2019, 05:43:57 PM
I'd be resting him if he gets booked in either of the next two.
To win play offs we need him as much as Mings and Grealish.
Post by: KRS on April 13, 2019, 05:46:07 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 13, 2019, 05:46:57 PM
Post by: Villafirst on April 13, 2019, 05:54:09 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 13, 2019, 05:54:38 PM
I thought John was on 14 bookings now?
13.
Post by: footyskillz on April 13, 2019, 06:10:17 PM
Ok so I here to provide the insight and bring things to attention. I like to think and getting people thinking and aware of things they hadn't considered.
So McGinn and his discipline is important to be aware of this as an issue and debate.
I see he was carded again v Blackburn in 77min
So What did John McGinn get book for this time??? The 12 time this season !
I love the guy but the fact is he keeps getting yellow cards is pretty shocking .
And it's annoying me !! so can't imagine what Smith and coaching team thinking as he is in danger of being suspended again
So people know if he gets just 3 more cards he ll be suspended for 3 matches . This happens when incur 15 yellows.
Now if he gets another 3 cards between now and Wembley he be suspended!! Yes the play off matches would be included and do we really see him not getting 3 more cards before the potential final?
I not sure if more bookings could be avoided so if people can shed light on his cautions especially today .
I'm aware he's combative also notice he does some pretty clumsy and awful attempts for tackles as much as being fouled a lot himself.
It's a shame as he's excellent in combative nature but too many yellows!
I laud him like many villa followers just have to say about his cautions!
Brilliant player but as I say it's annoying his discipline.
I already flagged this up at 12 bookings as many seem unaware.
So what was he booked for this time?
I asked on 12 bookings if was necessary his booking? No one deemed comment
And now I flag at 13 bookings and that he has got 4 matches regular season and another 2 matches before potential play off final. Not to receive any cautions .
And if he gets booked 2 more times he will miss 3 matches. Which I said before and was part of the reason I had to highlight.
So as I say Smith must be frustrated with this as Mcginn has by his own combative style and stupidity petulance at times- brings a difficult situation.
It's a major concern that SJM will be having a 3 match ban . I wonder if engineer this sooner rather than later . (I don't like that sort of skullduggery personally)
The matches and maths don't go. And its becoming a disastrous reality he'll miss at least one match of the playoffs!
I feel this scenario should have been prevented
Post by: KRS on April 13, 2019, 06:23:18 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 13, 2019, 06:30:24 PM
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2019, 06:30:36 PM
Post by: footyskillz on April 13, 2019, 06:38:37 PM
I suggest you recognize that it's a full season. Not an 8 match season
Yes 8 out of 8 is unbelievable !! Bloody super !
However our almighty leader and coach extrodinare Dean Smith would have same attitude -that have to focus on all things .
Anyway who wants to read the same stuff over and over again as we all aware that the mighty villa have won 8 out of 8.
I take your point though !
Post by: Monty on April 13, 2019, 06:51:46 PM
I'm in business of winning and seeing bigger pictures.
Howling
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 13, 2019, 06:52:47 PM
Post by: andyh on April 13, 2019, 06:53:39 PM
Post by: KevinGage on April 13, 2019, 06:55:22 PM
Ok so I here to provide the insight and bring things to attention. I like to think and getting people thinking and aware of things they hadn't considered.
So McGinn and his discipline is important to be aware of this as an issue and debate.
I see he was carded again v Blackburn in 77min
So What did John McGinn get book for this time??? The 12 time this season !
I love the guy but the fact is he keeps getting yellow cards is pretty shocking .
And it's annoying me !! so can't imagine what Smith and coaching team thinking as he is in danger of being suspended again
So people know if he gets just 3 more cards he ll be suspended for 3 matches . This happens when incur 15 yellows.
Now if he gets another 3 cards between now and Wembley he be suspended!! Yes the play off matches would be included and do we really see him not getting 3 more cards before the potential final?
I not sure if more bookings could be avoided so if people can shed light on his cautions especially today .
I'm aware he's combative also notice he does some pretty clumsy and awful attempts for tackles as much as being fouled a lot himself.
It's a shame as he's excellent in combative nature but too many yellows!
I laud him like many villa followers just have to say about his cautions!
Brilliant player but as I say it's annoying his discipline.
I already flagged this up at 12 bookings as many seem unaware.
So what was he booked for this time?
I asked on 12 bookings if was necessary his booking? No one deemed comment
And now I flag at 13 bookings and that he has got 4 matches regular season and another 2 matches before potential play off final. Not to receive any cautions .
And if he gets booked 2 more times he will miss 3 matches. Which I said before and was part of the reason I had to highlight.
So as I say Smith must be frustrated with this as Mcginn has by his own combative style and stupidity petulance at times- brings a difficult situation.
It's a major concern that SJM will be having a 3 match ban . I wonder if engineer this sooner rather than later . (I don't like that sort of skullduggery personally)
The matches and maths don't go. And its becoming a disastrous reality he'll miss at least one match of the playoffs!
I feel this scenario should have been prevented
What worthy insight to quote yourself on. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
You certainly make me think.
Post by: KRS on April 13, 2019, 06:58:27 PM
Do cards obtained in the regular season apply in the playoffs?
From the interpretation of the FA rules, it is believed that they don't as it states that cumulative bookings do not apply in play off games:
Quote
Number of cautions Cut-off date [inclusive]
Five [Premier League] Following 19 league fixtures
Five [EFL] Following 19 league fixtures
Five [National League] Following 23 league fixtures
10 [Premier League Following 32 league fixtures
10 [EFL] Following 37 league fixtures
10 [National League] Following 37 league fixtures
15 [All leagues] *End of the season**
The remaining competitions will carry suspensions in those competitions only when a player has received two yellow cards in that competition.
N.B. Discipline in the EFL Trophy is competition specific and remains unchanged from last season.
* The FA Women’s Super League does not have cut-off dates. Automatic suspensions for players accumulating 5, 10, 15 cautions etc. will take effect at any stage during the season.
** This does not apply to play-off matches.
If that is correct, then his current bookings will not rollover into playoffs, however he could miss playoff games if he hits the 15 match quota within the next 4 games. That's my understanding of it anyway.
Post by: kieron on April 13, 2019, 07:15:20 PM
I'm 43, my first game at VP was in 1989. I've simply never seen a Villa player like McGinn, what, so, ever.
Does he have any similarities to players of past?
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 13, 2019, 07:20:19 PM
I'm surprised you can see anything you're so far up your own arse.
Like
Post by: dave shelley on April 13, 2019, 07:25:22 PM
A question for the elder Villa folk on here:
I'm 43, my first game at VP was in 1989. I've simply never seen a Villa player like McGinn, what, so, ever.
Does he have any similarities to players of past?
I'm struggling to think of anyone with a better engine. Frank Carrodus, Des Bremner, Bruce Rioch all had superb engines as did Sid Cowans but this lad seems to me to be ahead of them. It's all relative of course, different era's, different training methods, eating habits, pitches etc. SJM has the abilty to go a very long way in this game, I just hope it's with us.
Post by: brian green on April 13, 2019, 07:26:38 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 13, 2019, 07:26:43 PM
A question for the elder Villa folk on here:
I'm 43, my first game at VP was in 1989. I've simply never seen a Villa player like McGinn, what, so, ever.
Does he have any similarities to players of past?
I'm struggling to think of anyone with a better engine. Frank Carrodus, Des Bremner, Bruce Rioch all had superb engines as did Sid Cowans but this lad seems to me to be ahead of them. It's all relative of course, different era's, different training methods, eating habits, pitches etc. SJM has the ability to go a very long way in this game, I just hope it's with us.
Des Bremner comes close.
Post by: KRS on April 13, 2019, 07:27:46 PM
Post by: brian green on April 13, 2019, 07:27:54 PM
Post by: olaftab on April 13, 2019, 07:31:40 PM
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2019, 07:38:03 PM
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2019, 07:39:26 PM
£25 million player at current values.
And the rest.
Post by: London Villan on April 13, 2019, 07:39:30 PM
I love him.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 13, 2019, 07:39:30 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 13, 2019, 07:42:12 PM
£25 million player at current values.
And the rest.
Absolutely. That would only buy one of the McGinn twins.
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2019, 07:43:52 PM
Post by: Mister E on April 13, 2019, 07:50:44 PM
Bremner was simply an engine: he broke up play and did the simple things brilliantly (but I don’t think he would have done what McGinn did in the corner in the last few minutes today).
Platt was no ball winner but knew when to move and where to move to, at exactly the right time. He read the game well.
McGinn could be a legend in the game ... and I wouldn’t want to label him in any way, relative to other players.
Post by: Villa75 on April 13, 2019, 08:14:20 PM
We would probably have to go back to the likes of Platt and Yorke, to compare value for money. Unless I'm forgetting anyone?
Post by: jwarry on April 13, 2019, 08:24:36 PM
Pound for pound, the best player we have signed in many, many years.
We would probably have to go back to the likes of Platt and Yorke, to compare value for money. Unless I'm forgetting anyone?
No you’re not, an absolute steal
Post by: footyskillz on April 13, 2019, 08:40:19 PM
Post by: jwarry on April 13, 2019, 08:43:19 PM
Well in his play he has shades of snakey Delph
Disagree he’s miles better than the snake
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2019, 08:46:58 PM
Paul McGrath
Shaun Teale
Mark Delaney
Alan Wright
Gareth Southgate
Ian Taylor
Nolberto Solano
McGinn looks to be the first bargain in a very long time. We've mostly had free/cheap and crap, or expensive and a total waste of money.
Post by: XXVilla on April 13, 2019, 08:47:56 PM
Well in his play he has shades of snakey Delph
Disagree he’s miles better than the snake
Amen to that brother
Post by: footyskillz on April 13, 2019, 08:49:09 PM
Well in his play he has shades of snakey Delph
Disagree he’s miles better than the snake
More reference to similarities than who is better.
Left footed.
Drives with ball
Tackles , fouls and cards
Committed and passionate player.
Solid and energetic.
There are similarities by comparison both are actually rather unique.
Mcginn is abundance of joy I just hope he doesn't get any more bookings somehow ?!
Post by: XXVilla on April 13, 2019, 08:51:29 PM
Post by: footyskillz on April 13, 2019, 09:11:39 PM
But John McGinn has proved something outstanding both for value and actual impact and play. A cheap transfer that actually came off !!
To recall such nonsense value no marks that we usually get for 2million in last 10 makes Mcginn even more special for me.
The scot is the value signing of a midfielder position I'm certain .
The likes of el hamadi ,Sylla and Westwood all around 2million similar fee.
Think we spent double or triple the money of mcginn fee on likes of Tshibola, Jean Makon II , Reo Coker (wasn't he like 9 or 10million?)
Lansbury was proven in championship and he cost about 4 mil with a big wage .
The fee villa paid make it even sweeter and makes up for all those poor midfielder moves and attempts at the similar 2m fee players who have nothing on impact mcginn has made
Post by: CT on April 13, 2019, 11:35:10 PM
The effort is phenomenal. I thought I was a bit long in the tooth to idolise a modern day footballer, but that's changed with this fella.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 13, 2019, 11:41:35 PM
A question for the elder Villa folk on here:
I'm 43, my first game at VP was in 1989. I've simply never seen a Villa player like McGinn, what, so, ever.
Does he have any similarities to players of past?
He does remind me a lot of Milner in a) the sheer amount of ground he covers over the 90 minutes and b) also the type if you play him wider he'd do a good job for the team I reckon.
And of course he's Gareth Barry's twin for the lovely sticking his arse in to win a 50/50 challenge.
Post by: footyskillz on April 14, 2019, 12:22:32 AM
And as say if he gets 15 bookings then he gonna be suspended for 3 matches and play off matches count as part of it. I won't highlight it again but feel need to make it abuduntantly clear as people seemed to debate it! And also not acknowledge that he picks up too many yellows
So for all his amazing contribution Mcginn he's spoiling himself with the bookings
He's had 2 suspension this season already.
The play offs are part of the season anyone who thinks otherwise just doesn't get it !
The threshold is there and those are the rules. I don't understand why people think they would they be wiped out just because team reaches play off. It's part of the playing season!!
So let's have it right and not misinterpret and its why I mentioned the thing in the first place . Why would I make such a point otherwise. Unbelievable
Say he gets booked next two matches
Bolton
Millwall
Then he suspended
Leeds
Norwich
Semi final leg
-------------------------------
Eligible for
Semi final leg
Final
If he gets just one booking in next 2 matches hes therefor at risk of missing more .of crucial play offs
I won't ever mention this again until it happens. Only based on fact he can't help getting booked
I will shhh now on bookings subject .
Debate or ignore all you like but I posted for good reason !
Other than that the guy is a perfect player! And an absolute joy with bundles of energy !
I hope he plays more wisely to prevent the very likely scenario of suspension.
Thats all
Post by: Steve67 on April 14, 2019, 12:25:29 AM
Post by: Monty on April 14, 2019, 12:28:19 AM
Post by: not3bad on April 14, 2019, 01:24:14 AM
We needn't have worried with SJM on the case. That bit at the end when he received the ball in the box and thought "nah, I'll just take it to the corner flag".
Taking the piss big time. Love it!
Post by: CpF on April 14, 2019, 04:50:49 AM
We just have to go up. Grealish and McGinn in the same PL team at the same time is too great an opportunity to miss. With one or two equally astute additions we would be a force to be reckoned with up there. And no chance of keeping either of them if we're not up, they're way too good.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 14, 2019, 07:03:37 AM
This is even better...
http://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1116996874160963584
My four year old was singing the McGinn song yesterday. I will try to get a video of him later.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 14, 2019, 07:10:37 AM
I'm going to walk his dog and mow his lawn. He shouldn't move a muscle his week.
He's already walked it 10 miles and mowed the Villa Park pitch while he was doing it.
Like. It is the return of the James Milner's Awesomeness thread!
Post by: KRS on April 14, 2019, 07:24:28 AM
Well he averages 1 every 3 matches.Seeing as you keep going on about it and repeating yourself, do you think any yellow cards picked up in the two playoff semi-final games would be included in the “season” and be added to his existing 13 bookings (ie let’s say he has 14 after the Norwich game, and he gets booked in the second leg, then would he be banned for the final?). The understanding on here as stated in the FA rules is that the final game of the season is the Norwich game, and any bookings received in the playoff games wouldn’t be added to any existing number of bookings.
And as say if he gets 15 bookings then he gonna be suspended for 3 matches and play off matches count as part of it. I won't highlight it again but feel need to make it abuduntantly clear as people seemed to debate it! And also not acknowledge that he picks up too many yellows
So for all his amazing contribution Mcginn he's spoiling himself with the bookings
He's had 2 suspension this season already.
The play offs are part of the season anyone who thinks otherwise just doesn't get it !
The threshold is there and those are the rules. I don't understand why people think they would they be wiped out just because team reaches play off. It's part of the playing season!!
So let's have it right and not misinterpret and its why I mentioned the thing in the first place . Why would I make such a point otherwise. Unbelievable
Say he gets booked next two matches
Bolton
Millwall
Then he suspended
Leeds
Norwich
Semi final leg
-------------------------------
Eligible for
Semi final leg
Final
If he gets just one booking in next 2 matches hes therefor at risk of missing more .of crucial play offs
I won't ever mention this again until it happens. Only based on fact he can't help getting booked
I will shhh now on bookings subject .
Debate or ignore all you like but I posted for good reason !
Other than that the guy is a perfect player! And an absolute joy with bundles of energy !
I hope he plays more wisely to prevent the very likely scenario of suspension.
Thats all
Post by: PeterWithe on April 14, 2019, 08:07:52 AM
Post by: OzVilla on April 14, 2019, 08:21:49 AM
Post by: Ads on April 14, 2019, 08:40:19 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 14, 2019, 09:14:43 AM
Can someone please give a final answer on this McGinn booking situation. Is there a clean slate for the play offs or not? He so important that we really can't take any risks on this.
Yes, he can be banned for the play-offs. But no, he can't be banned during the play-offs (unless he gets sent off, obviously).
Gets to 15 any time before the final whistle vs Norwich, he's out for three games, be that play-offs or the start of 19/20.
After that whistle, the slate is wiped clean, and he'll be free to get himself booked in each of the play-off games without fear of immediate suspension.
After the end of the play-off final, any soiled slates get another wipe, ready for next season.
Post by: Mister E on April 14, 2019, 09:41:04 AM
Yesterday's booking was really stupid! Totally unnecessary, particularly with a ref that didn't mind flashing the yellows.
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 14, 2019, 09:45:17 AM
Rest him next Friday.
Yesterday's booking was really stupid! Totally unnecessary, particularly with a ref that didn't mind flashing the yellows.
Unnecessary but not his fault. As far as I could see, AEH played his way into trouble, McGinn had a choice of taking a booking or letting a 4 vs 2 attack start.
I'd rest him on Friday as well
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 14, 2019, 09:54:42 AM
That was how I saw it too.Rest him next Friday.
Yesterday's booking was really stupid! Totally unnecessary, particularly with a ref that didn't mind flashing the yellows.
Unnecessary but not his fault. As far as I could see, AEH played his way into trouble, McGinn had a choice of taking a booking or letting a 4 vs 2 attack start.
I'd rest him on Friday as well
Post by: Ads on April 14, 2019, 09:57:21 AM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 14, 2019, 10:08:02 AM
Is he on 13 bookings?
No idea. Why didn't Barry take the penalty?
Post by: LeeB on April 14, 2019, 10:12:34 AM
Is he on 13 bookings?
No idea. Why didn't Barry take the penalty?
A) Does he have a release clause, and
B) Could it start a bidding war?
Post by: mr underhill on April 14, 2019, 10:18:44 AM
Post by: olaftab on April 14, 2019, 10:24:28 AM
No. If we left him at home he will run after the coach all the way to Bolton and end up knackering himself for Monday.Rest him next Friday.
Yesterday's booking was really stupid! Totally unnecessary, particularly with a ref that didn't mind flashing the yellows.
Unnecessary but not his fault. As far as I could see, AEH played his way into trouble, McGinn had a choice of taking a booking or letting a 4 vs 2 attack start.
I'd rest him on Friday as well
Post by: Diablo on April 14, 2019, 10:27:04 AM
Fitness/niggles etc permitting I'd probably go the other way and have SJM play the next two games to try to get the points on the board and then rest him. I know the games missed with that theory would be harder games on paper but depending on other results we should have a pretty good idea where we are after this coming weekend. If other results go our way and we can get 2 wins we will be there or there abouts ;-).Rest him next Friday.
Yesterday's booking was really stupid! Totally unnecessary, particularly with a ref that didn't mind flashing the yellows.
Unnecessary but not his fault. As far as I could see, AEH played his way into trouble, McGinn had a choice of taking a booking or letting a 4 vs 2 attack start.
I'd rest him on Friday as well
Post by: OzVilla on April 14, 2019, 10:35:25 AM
Post by: AV82EC on April 14, 2019, 10:37:19 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 14, 2019, 10:49:32 AM
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 14, 2019, 10:56:43 AM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 14, 2019, 10:58:01 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 14, 2019, 10:58:51 AM
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Post by: brian green on April 14, 2019, 11:00:18 AM
Post by: brian green on April 14, 2019, 11:05:52 AM
Post by: footyskillz on April 14, 2019, 11:48:18 AM
And even though English isn't my first language I'm understanding R&Rs are stating cut off dates and when they are .
Therefor cut off dates for 15 yellow cards end of season ** do not apply to play offs . So I read this simply as saying end of season is the cut off point for disciplinary sanctions but the asterisk implies that= clubs which are involved in play off matches bookings incurred will count.
So I read it as the **does not apply to mean the cut off does not apply to play off matches so they are all included .
Which means no clean slate for clubs players till the play offs are over for them
It's poorly worded but the following part of the FA link states that cumulative bookings do not apply in play off games:QuoteNumber of cautions Cut-off date [inclusive]
Five [Premier League] Following 19 league fixtures
Five [EFL] Following 19 league fixtures
Five [National League] Following 23 league fixtures
10 [Premier League Following 32 league fixtures
10 [EFL] Following 37 league fixtures
10 [National League] Following 37 league fixtures
15 [All leagues] *End of the season**
The remaining competitions will carry suspensions in those competitions only when a player has received two yellow cards in that competition.
N.B. Discipline in the EFL Trophy is competition specific and remains unchanged from last season.
* The FA Women’s Super League does not have cut-off dates. Automatic suspensions for players accumulating 5, 10, 15 cautions etc. will take effect at any stage during the season.
** This does not apply to play-off matches.
As I said previous I don't want to harp on the whole point was to make aware the threat is real. We'll just see shall we ? I mean I like to think I knowledge on what goes on and share it accurately where I can but I thought only decent to reply with my thoughts on the official document which was kindly posted.
So no more from me till necessary on when the threshold is for disciplinary matter and will meet if it comes to it.
Post by: in exile on April 14, 2019, 11:58:16 AM
Post by: Risso on April 14, 2019, 12:11:22 PM
Post by: footyskillz on April 14, 2019, 12:16:28 PM
Rest him next Friday.
Yesterday's booking was really stupid! Totally unnecessary, particularly with a ref that didn't mind flashing the yellows.
Unnecessary but not his fault. As far as I could see, AEH played his way into trouble, McGinn had a choice of taking a booking or letting a 4 vs 2 attack start.
I'd rest him on Friday as well
This is the other issue I'm trying to highlight and debate outside of all the great stuff because it's not being mentioned and that is mcginn and discipline in general.
Divine retribution
After Grealish who has been fouled 133 times Mcginn 103 fouled is the 2nd most fouled player in the league (10 more than next Harry Wilson)
So though the refs are sub standard in this league and that those are the only legitimate fouls our Mcginn has had officially been fouled 2.8 times a match. I think every game players have hacked away at him.
I really think could be a case the less protection he's had plus him being in combative midfield has led him to pick up all these yellow cards
On his bookings he has been booked for fouls on all occasion bar one where it was adjudicated to have been unsporting behaviour.
Now getting more an understanding and it's frustrating that he's getting booked perhaps when opposition players have had made more fouls against him!
I think it's some of these refs way of levelling it out as Mcginn far too good a midfielder and he's joint 3rd with Barry bannan and Sam morsey(Wigan fouler! Fouls way more than he gets fouled against) on yellow cards .
Jack Colback and Ben Pearson are top on 14 yellows who are both fouling footballers and have worse disciplinary that Mcginn (not mention abilitiy)
As a central midfielder plays are going to be in combat but Mcginn unlike these other card collectors above him has been fouled over 100 times this season but only fouled opposition 57 times .
Jack Colback most yellows has been fouled 81 times and given 75 fouls away this could go some way to explaining how he gives a bit back but when Mcginn does half the fouls against him 57 to fouled 103 he's been carded nearly as much .
I think this is why SJM gets booked because He is being fouled too much every match illegal and not having the free kick.
The refs don't protect him enough in that midfield.
He's blatantly far too class a player so opposition have to foul to stop him
He's a little awks on his technics at tackling
He combative and feels he should be allowed to get stuck in but is not equally treated yet gets booked!!
Those are my facts, points and thoughts .
Post by: footyskillz on April 14, 2019, 12:25:12 PM
I hoped he'd gone. He seems to be labouring under the misapprehension that he's the only person on the site who has realised that McGinn is in danger of another ban.I think your ll find rene risso I'm highlighting the fact mcginn can miss some or all of the play off matches as the cut off does not apply to play off matches therefor mcginn can be suspended at any time for 3 games until play offs are over . That's it not mentioning til deemed necessary.
Though developing things I gave some thought as to why mcginn is getting cautioned no one else has done that. Not saying people don't realize these things but am bringing to attention and some frankly won't be aware so I'm doing a good service . Pioneering ideas and bring it to one another's thinking is what I do .
Stop trying to stop my disservices to the site. I think I brought up very good point to why mcginn has 13 yellow cards actually !
Post by: purpletrousers on April 14, 2019, 12:29:59 PM
Is there any footage of where they took a short corner near the end, which he then turned into a dribble towards goal and a shot that the keeper turned over? This doesn't seem to be included in the Sky highlights.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1117094617583955969?s=21
It was very satisfying wasn’t it.
Post by: Villan For Life on April 14, 2019, 12:37:00 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 14, 2019, 12:44:08 PM
Is there any footage of where they took a short corner near the end, which he then turned into a dribble towards goal and a shot that the keeper turned over? This doesn't seem to be included in the Sky highlights.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1117094617583955969?s=21
It was very satisfying wasn't it.
It's on the YouTube highlights. Superb!
Post by: Bad English on April 14, 2019, 01:20:07 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 14, 2019, 01:35:35 PM
Is there any footage of where they took a short corner near the end, which he then turned into a dribble towards goal and a shot that the keeper turned over? This doesn't seem to be included in the Sky highlights.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1117094617583955969?s=21
It was very satisfying wasn’t it.
Many thanks. It was glorious, great shame the keeper managed to keep it out - presumably one of the shots 'straight at him' according to some on here!
Post by: Risso on April 14, 2019, 02:23:45 PM
Post by: KRS on April 14, 2019, 03:08:36 PM
Ooooh that deserves a goal...great save from their keeper again, but I keep watching it on repeat and hope it goes in! :DIs there any footage of where they took a short corner near the end, which he then turned into a dribble towards goal and a shot that the keeper turned over? This doesn't seem to be included in the Sky highlights.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1117094617583955969?s=21
It was very satisfying wasn’t it.
Post by: olaftab on April 14, 2019, 03:12:19 PM
I think John McGinn is ace. He has 13 bookings but I don't care as there is nothing I can do about it. I'm off now, and you will not hear from me until my next post.Can't you at least wait till his next booking?
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 14, 2019, 03:26:16 PM
Ooooh that deserves a goal...great save from their keeper again, but I keep watching it on repeat and hope it goes in! :DIs there any footage of where they took a short corner near the end, which he then turned into a dribble towards goal and a shot that the keeper turned over? This doesn't seem to be included in the Sky highlights.
I think he should have passed it.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1117094617583955969?s=21
It was very satisfying wasn’t it.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 14, 2019, 03:32:48 PM
Just saying, like.
Post by: KRS on April 14, 2019, 03:41:03 PM
Post by: olaftab on April 14, 2019, 03:52:02 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 14, 2019, 03:58:16 PM
Post by: KRS on April 14, 2019, 08:53:53 PM
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Explained: Why John McGinn could miss ALL of Aston Villa's playoff charge
The AVFC midfielder has had a stunning first season in English football
Although Jack Grealish has claimed all of the Aston Villa plaudits in recent weeks, it is his midfield partner that has continued to flourish.
John McGinn has enjoyed a near perfect start to life south of the border, after his move to Villa from Hibernian last summer.
Celtic were also keen on the Scotland international and his super Championship performances have made it clear to see why.
He has become influential in Dean Smith's side, scoring four and creating two in his last six games.
Despite that, Villa may have to go into the playoffs without the 24-year-old.
One slight blot on McGinn's copybook has been his unerring ability to pick up yellow cards.
His caution against Bristol City was his 13th of the campaign. He has already served a two match suspension for reaching 10 yellows but the fate for hitting 15 could be a lot more severe.
The FA regulations stipulate that should a player reach 15 yellow cards before the end of the season, they would face a three game absence.
Should McGinn pick up two more yellow cards, he will face a three game ban that will carry on into the end of season playoffs.
An EFL spokesperson has told BirminghamLive: "Bookings in the Play-Offs don’t count towards a suspension but bookings in League matches leading up to the Play-Offs do. Therefore if a player was to accumulate a 15th yellow card on the final day of the season they would then miss the entire Play-Off campaign (if their team was to make the Play-Off Final)."
Post by: themossman on April 14, 2019, 09:31:39 PM
We absolutely need him the playoffs.
Post by: Nastylee on April 14, 2019, 10:28:27 PM
Post by: themossman on April 14, 2019, 10:47:00 PM
Post by: OzVilla on April 14, 2019, 10:51:02 PM
Post by: TaxDodger on April 14, 2019, 10:57:06 PM
I can see why it's tempting to leave him on the bench against Bolton though, particularly if Grealish is back.
Post by: andyh on April 14, 2019, 11:09:55 PM
Post by: themossman on April 14, 2019, 11:26:27 PM
Personally, given last few games and particularly Rotherham I’d like him to be rested soon anyway as he probably needs it. To me he looked a bit off it on Saturday, until the end when we were defending the 1 goal lead, by his own ridiculous standards.
Post by: walsall villain on April 14, 2019, 11:28:52 PM
Play him on Friday. If he doesn’t get booked, play him on Monday. If he does, lock him in a cupboard until the play offs.That’s what I reckon Smith will do
Post by: themossman on April 14, 2019, 11:34:18 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on April 15, 2019, 12:35:40 AM
Pisser. Be tempted to bench him for the next couple only to be brought on if we’re desperate.
We absolutely need him the playoffs.
But isn’t this good news, clarification/confirmation that a booking once in the playoffs won’t add to the count. It’s certainly good news that we won’t need to keep discussing it.
Post by: KRS on April 15, 2019, 03:13:16 AM
Making sure we bag the next 6pts is what’s most important at this stage and he will have recovered by Friday, so don’t take any risks and play him until he gets booked again.
All being well, we may well have secured our playoff spot by the time we play Leeds or Norwich, so I’d certainly be resting/protecting Jack, SJM and Tammy for those games as a precaution if we have that luxury option.
Post by: nigel on April 15, 2019, 08:17:41 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 15, 2019, 02:58:37 PM
Does he then only miss the next game (Millwall)
Maybe if we were 2/3 up against Bolton then should we play / bend the rules?
I know it is not in the spirit of the game but what the hell
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 15, 2019, 03:07:35 PM
Post by: Legion on April 15, 2019, 03:18:54 PM
It’s like the nutter on the bus and the boring bloke in the pub rolled into one.
This.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 15, 2019, 03:43:16 PM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on April 15, 2019, 04:09:37 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 15, 2019, 04:22:55 PM
From the days of yore, I'm sure I remember a situation where someone spent a game trying to get themselves sent off so's they wouldn't miss The Cup Final, or something along those lines. Did it happen? Anyone else recall the suchlike? Was it Bryan Robson?
Steve Foster.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 15, 2019, 04:24:57 PM
Post by: kieron on April 15, 2019, 04:50:38 PM
Changing the subject (sorry) but why the 'meatball' nickname/reference?
It's his nick name. Meatball head.
Post by: Tom Stewart on April 15, 2019, 05:10:59 PM
Changing the subject (sorry) but why the 'meatball' nickname/reference?
It's his nick name. Meatball head.
Yep, big meatball-like head & small features, if you look at him closely.
Post by: LeeB on April 15, 2019, 05:54:35 PM
I remember Villa players, possibly Ehiogu and Staunton, getting themselves booked so as to miss a league game and be back for a League Cup Final.
Andy Townsend said Dalian once got himself booked so he could have Boxing Day off.
Post by: themossman on April 15, 2019, 06:34:08 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on April 15, 2019, 06:34:34 PM
I remember Villa players, possibly Ehiogu and Staunton, getting themselves booked so as to miss a league game and be back for a League Cup Final.One of them was Savo, he deliberately kicked the ball away, at Liverpool when we went 0-3 down in about five minutes a couple of weeks before the League Cup Final.
Post by: JJ-AV on April 15, 2019, 07:44:00 PM
Post by: KRS on April 16, 2019, 05:27:24 AM
Post by: Bad English on April 16, 2019, 06:30:35 AM
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Post by: Neil Hawkes on April 16, 2019, 06:34:54 AM
Post by: KRS on April 16, 2019, 07:56:06 AM
Is it the person who did?Thankfully not. Is that the one they played and had us all cringing to at the Cup Final?
It’s someone called Emma Flowers and it’s “taken Twitter by storm” according to BMail (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/walking-mcginn-incredible-aston-villa-16131372.amp)
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on April 16, 2019, 08:00:47 AM
Changing the subject (sorry) but why the 'meatball' nickname/reference?
It's his nick name. Meatball head.
Yep, big meatball-like head & small features, if you look at him closely.
Suspected that - thanks for confirming. UTV
Post by: Legion on April 16, 2019, 08:24:49 AM
Post by: aj2k77 on April 16, 2019, 08:35:08 AM
Is it the person who did
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Monumentally shit.
Post by: Legion on April 16, 2019, 08:43:15 AM
Post by: KRS on April 16, 2019, 09:21:02 AM
What’s really worrying is that at some point, these ppl have said to themselves “Ooooh I’ve got a great idea for a Villa song”, recorded it, then said “Ooooh that sounds really good”, and then released their fuck nugget monstrosity onto the general public.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 16, 2019, 12:28:00 PM
This was the first video and it took off from there...
https://twitter.com/JimmyHessel/status/1116103437622624256
Post by: Tuscans on April 16, 2019, 04:59:25 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 16, 2019, 05:17:39 PM
Post by: footyskillz on April 16, 2019, 06:11:45 PM
If McGinn was to pick up 2 yellows the next game and was sent off, would that mean...15 yellow cards - 3 game ban ON TOP of a 1 game ban for a red? Meaning missing the next 3 league matches and the first leg of the play off?That is a fascinating question but scary concept!
When a player is sent off for 2 yellows that doesn't add to the yellow card amount of season it's just marked as red card.
So mcginn red against Bolton would read 13 yellows and 1 red and not a feared and ghastly I'll displined 15 and 1 red
I don't see Mcginn the type to get red cards despite all his caution this season .57 fouls made (he's been fouled 103 times!)
We know a sending off from to 2 yellow cards in match is a 1 match ban
Or a straight red card received for a professional foul.
That's what mcginn mostly gets cautioned for and he miss a game
He's not big on a dissenter but if he got a 2nd booking then that could get him a 2 match ban.
If we wants to go all tough guy with violent conduct then that sort of disgraceful and uncalled for behavior gets treated with a 3 or more game suspension.
Two yellow card caution in same match would not add to the bookings total but of course would lead to a match ban because it's a red card
Post by: KRS on April 16, 2019, 07:43:49 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on April 16, 2019, 07:47:55 PM
I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.
I quite agree, but using the term "wetting the bed" seldom has the the desired result.
Post by: Brassneck on April 16, 2019, 08:00:38 PM
Those players who played last week, Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday (including Wednesday with 10 men for an hour), may well be in need of a deserved rest - SJM, the full backs and Tammy.
Post by: KRS on April 16, 2019, 08:02:13 PM
We need to remain focused on picking up maximum points against Bolton and Millwall with our best players available, and think about resting players against Leeds and Norwich if the playoff position is secure.
Post by: Legion on April 16, 2019, 08:04:35 PM
I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.
That is how I see it aswell. Said similar earlier to another Villa fan.
Post by: adrenachrome on April 16, 2019, 08:17:55 PM
I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.
That is how I see it aswell. Said similar earlier to another Villa fan.
I don't think wetting knickers and pissing pants are reasonable responses to the points raised by fellow posters even though I strongly disagree with them.
That is that on that.
Post by: Bad English on April 16, 2019, 08:26:13 PM
Post by: Risso on April 16, 2019, 08:45:06 PM
Is it the person who did
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One of our number sung that song in its entirety in a Swiss Cottage boozer.
Post by: KRS on April 16, 2019, 09:31:26 PM
Apologies if either of my comments caused any unintended offence to yourself or anyone else.I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.
That is how I see it aswell. Said similar earlier to another Villa fan.
I don't think wetting knickers and pissing pants are reasonable responses to the points raised by fellow posters even though I strongly disagree with them.
That is that on that.
Post by: Legion on April 16, 2019, 09:36:29 PM
Post by: mike on April 16, 2019, 09:46:09 PM
I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.
That is how I see it aswell. Said similar earlier to another Villa fan.
I don't think wetting knickers and pissing pants are reasonable responses to the points raised by fellow posters even though I strongly disagree with them.
That is that on that.
It's of little consequence, but it was the bed, not knickers, which were being wet. I suppose that means the anxiety (much like the urine) is expressed whilst unconscious.
Post by: mike on April 16, 2019, 09:53:52 PM
Having said all of which, much as I have previously admitted that I have a deep man love for SJM, I would really like him to just stop fouling people so much.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 16, 2019, 10:15:33 PM
Oh, and the simple concept that 'Dean Smith is not an idiot' is the kind of thing the bed/knicker wetters don't factor in when failing to control their bladders. In fact it's massively common to think other people are incapable of seeing what is blindingly obvious to ourselves. If I was paying someone X million pounds to manage Aston Villa, I would expect him to be aware of the situation and have a plan rather than wake up sweating in the night when McGinn gets his 15th yellow card thinking, 'oh, fuck, why didn't I consider that.'
Having said all of which, much as I have previously admitted that I have a deep man love for SJM , I would really like him to just stop fouling people so much.
I'm glad to see that you've moved on from Grealish now Mike. Leave him to me, I'll look after him. SJM much more your type, I would've thought (winking face).
Post by: adrenachrome on April 16, 2019, 10:26:08 PM
Apologies if either of my comments caused any unintended offence to yourself or anyone else.I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.
That is how I see it aswell. Said similar earlier to another Villa fan.
I don't think wetting knickers and pissing pants are reasonable responses to the points raised by fellow posters even though I strongly disagree with them.
That is that on that.
No problem here, KRS. I was just pointing out that that it might inflame the argument. Nothing wrong with that either, sometimes.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 17, 2019, 12:03:02 AM
If results go our way, we could have top six secured after the Millwall game. We can rest him then.
Post by: footyskillz on April 17, 2019, 12:34:35 AM
As much as I laud him one should recognise his utter failings in his continued cautions.
People say it's for Smith to manage and to be aware yet I'm the only one debating why he may have received all those yellows and also stating that it's really poor by player himself to put himself in that situation as much as it is the manager.
The easy out is to blame Steve Bruce of course I mean he signed him !
However if Mcginn messes it up then it undoes all the good and excellence he's brought to the midfield even if he is mine and many favourites.
For me his bookings should have been addressed at 10 and that suspension now he's in the situation .
However I gave a good account to potential why he is fouling and it would be nice for others to even contemplate Mcginn and his fouling ways and what he should be doing about it.
I already suggested it's the refs and lack of protection plus something systematically wrong that he gets fouled twice as much as he gives away fouls . I think that unfair measure means opposition players get more nibbles where as our John is given less leniency.
Whatever the reasons the fact is he himself has got into the position of 13 yellows and needs to think about what he's going a heck of a lot more now but should have been doing this even more so.
I hope this teaches him and that he can learn from situation as he's a liability in that respect if he isn't addressing this.
Losing inplay offs in part to Mcginn being suspended for example would have to then lose a lot of love for him
Love is blind to a lot on here and it has to be argued that Mcginn as a player who gets cautioned is a weakness and frustrated that has been a constant situation.
I adore his work rate enthusiasm and endeavour not to mention his combative style and drive with the ball.
The goals and sheer brilliance is there but he's also very foolish and that needs to be said even if we all love him.
Post by: purpletrousers on April 17, 2019, 01:57:15 AM
Post by: Brassneck on April 17, 2019, 06:49:18 AM
I'm interested to see the teams picked for our next 2 games over the Easter period. There certainly has to be the temptation to rotate, especially those who I mentioned before as having played the last 3 games in a week.
Post by: mike on April 17, 2019, 06:51:32 AM
Oh, and the simple concept that 'Dean Smith is not an idiot' is the kind of thing the bed/knicker wetters don't factor in when failing to control their bladders. In fact it's massively common to think other people are incapable of seeing what is blindingly obvious to ourselves. If I was paying someone X million pounds to manage Aston Villa, I would expect him to be aware of the situation and have a plan rather than wake up sweating in the night when McGinn gets his 15th yellow card thinking, 'oh, fuck, why didn't I consider that.'
Having said all of which, much as I have previously admitted that I have a deep man love for SJM , I would really like him to just stop fouling people so much.
I'm glad to see that you've moved on from Grealish now Mike. Leave him to me, I'll look after him. SJM much more your type, I would've thought (winking face).
I haven’t moved on, I’m conflicted. I can’t see it ending happily.
Post by: footyskillz on April 17, 2019, 11:16:41 AM
Something isn't right .
It's up to player himself also to be aware he's targeted by refs and other players.
All a learning process.
Post by: oldtimernow on April 17, 2019, 12:15:37 PM
I think this one needs putting to bed...Dean Smith isn't an idiot, and if SJM gets one more yellow card in any game he plays (before and including Norwich) then I fully expect him to hook him straight away and he won't play again until the playoff games. Both SJM and the management team will be fully aware of the situation, and no doubt SJM will be mindful and on strict instructions to be extremely cautious with his challenges and conduct. Can we all please stop wetting the bed on this.
That is how I see it aswell. Said similar earlier to another Villa fan.
I don't think wetting knickers and pissing pants are reasonable responses to the points raised by fellow posters even though I strongly disagree with them.
That is that on that.
It's of little consequence, but it was the bed, not knickers, which were being wet. I suppose that means the anxiety (much like the urine) is expressed whilst unconscious.
I think your argument is unTENAble ;)
Post by: Drummond on April 17, 2019, 12:19:50 PM
Mcginn gets twice as fouled as he fouls but gets cautioned as much as other championship players who dish out more fouls and cautioned more than some players who dish out more fouls!
Something isn't right .
It's up to player himself also to be aware he's targeted by refs and other players.
All a learning process.
What does this even mean?
Post by: Legion on April 17, 2019, 01:51:25 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 17, 2019, 02:16:17 PM
Don't matter, anyway. With or without him, they're all getting battered.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 17, 2019, 02:31:20 PM
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Post by: Legion on April 17, 2019, 02:35:33 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on April 17, 2019, 02:48:09 PM
Mcginn gets twice as fouled as he fouls but gets cautioned as much as other championship players who dish out more fouls and cautioned more than some players who dish out more fouls!
Something isn't right .
It's up to player himself also to be aware he's targeted by refs and other players.
All a learning process.
What does this even mean?
It’s in Unwinese. If you look up the works of the late great Professor Stanley Unwin you will soon realise that Footy is just being a little obfuscationary in his syntaxywelds which can give the uninitiated great ganglings in the frontal lobybolds of his brainydido. As soon as you get the hang of it, deep joy will follow.
Post by: footyskillz on April 17, 2019, 11:09:51 PM
This made me smile..
Villa Views
@VillaViews_
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BREAKING: Game against Bolton will go ahead after John McGinn said he'd happily do the work of all police, paramedics and security while also running the Villa midfield. #avfc
And also getting booked despite less fouls committed than Bolton players on him!
Post by: CT Villan on April 18, 2019, 01:09:56 AM
It’s in Unwinese. If you look up the works of the late great Professor Stanley Unwin you will soon realise that Footy is just being a little obfuscationary in his syntaxywelds which can give the uninitiated great ganglings in the frontal lobybolds of his brainydido. As soon as you get the hang of it, deep joy will follow.
[applause]
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 18, 2019, 11:11:10 AM
This made me smile..
Villa Views
@VillaViews_
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18h
BREAKING: Game against Bolton will go ahead after John McGinn said he'd happily do the work of all police, paramedics and security while also running the Villa midfield. #avfc
And also getting booked despite less fouls committed than Bolton players on him!
Are you sure you are getting your message across Skillz? ???
Post by: Ads on April 18, 2019, 11:12:32 AM
Post by: danno on April 18, 2019, 11:23:11 AM
I might regret this, but what is his message? McGinn has been booked 13 times and...? What? What's the point?
I will regret this but I think his point(s) are:
1) McGinn should try harder not to pick up bookings.
2) Referees should protect Mcginn more, as it is possible some of the bookings he does receive are an indirect result of being fouled constantly and feeling the need to get the offenders back.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 18, 2019, 01:03:58 PM
Which all pisstaking aside are pretty valid points.I might regret this, but what is his message? McGinn has been booked 13 times and...? What? What's the point?
I will regret this but I think his point(s) are:
1) McGinn should try harder not to pick up bookings.
2) Referees should protect Mcginn more, as it is possible some of the bookings he does receive are an indirect result of being fouled constantly and feeling the need to get the offenders back.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 18, 2019, 01:36:28 PM
I will be purchasing one to drink Easter Monday
(https://oi1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/mcgin-glasgow-gin_zpsw3mawgkd.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/mcgin-glasgow-gin_zpsw3mawgkd.jpg.html)
Post by: paul_e on April 18, 2019, 02:38:40 PM
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 20, 2019, 11:47:04 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 20, 2019, 11:49:23 AM
Give them all a rest v Norwich.
Post by: olaftab on April 20, 2019, 12:08:15 PM
Post by: olaftab on April 20, 2019, 12:10:09 PM
Would play them v Leeds, vital if Leeds are going to end up in play offs now we go up there with our best 11 and give them something to think about.I don't agree. If it ends you that we play Leeds (unlikely for two reasons) rest both Jack and John so they get it with both barrels ion the play off.
Give them all a rest v Norwich.
Post by: purpletrousers on April 20, 2019, 01:36:04 PM
Can I just ask how many bookings John has so far and what happens if he gets booked 3 times against Millwall? I can't find a discussion on this anywhere:)
You get a booking for raising it. How many more before you are kicked off the thread?
We might decide to rest your comments until the play offs ;)
Post by: olaftab on April 20, 2019, 04:54:29 PM
Post by: Tuscans on April 22, 2019, 03:16:47 PM
Post by: Richard on April 22, 2019, 03:59:22 PM
Post by: four fornicholl on April 22, 2019, 04:02:36 PM
Post by: Ger Regan on April 22, 2019, 05:12:46 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 22, 2019, 06:11:18 PM
Post by: Tuscans on April 22, 2019, 06:12:53 PM
Better arse...Barry or McGinn?Barry had implants, McGinns is natural
Post by: Risso on April 22, 2019, 06:31:23 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2019, 07:32:48 PM
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 25, 2019, 08:13:46 PM
Is it the person who did
?
One of our number sung that song in its entirety in a Swiss Cottage boozer.
I dont know who you are talking about...
Gobby scouse twat blathering on about history to me!
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2019, 02:33:44 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on April 28, 2019, 02:38:04 PM
Also the handball he made, but the ref allowed Leeds to advantage. I had visions of him booking SJM for that
i would have taken SJM off instead of JG personally
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 28, 2019, 03:09:59 PM
Anyone else bricking it when SJM went to tackle anyone after his yellow?!
Also the handball he made, but the ref allowed Leeds to advantage. I had visions of him booking SJM for that
i would have taken SJM off instead of JG personally
Totally with you Rudy on all the points you make. I would probably "rest" him on the bench next Sunday. UTV
Post by: CT on April 28, 2019, 03:29:09 PM
I know a Hibs fan who booked tickets a few weeks back to come and see him play again for us!!!
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2019, 04:43:13 PM
Post by: KRS on April 28, 2019, 05:12:33 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 28, 2019, 05:13:27 PM
Dean has already said post game that SJM will sit out next week against Norwich.
Thank God !
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 28, 2019, 05:14:10 PM
Must not play next week.
Won't be. Smith has already said so.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 28, 2019, 05:16:47 PM
Must not play next week.
Won't be. Smith has already said so.
Good stuff Dean. Far too big a risk to see him booked in a nothing game and then be out for whole play off campaign.
Post by: LeeB on April 28, 2019, 07:51:46 PM
They won't notice.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2019, 08:00:12 PM
Couldn't we slap a pretend beard on him and call him 'Mile'?
They won't notice.
They will when they see how much he runs.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on April 28, 2019, 08:03:27 PM
Couldn't we slap a pretend beard on him and call him 'Mile'?
They won't notice.
They will when they see how much he runs.
Ha ha ace
Post by: Bad English on April 29, 2019, 09:54:01 AM
Hahahaha!Couldn't we slap a pretend beard on him and call him 'Mile'?
They won't notice.
They will when they see how much he runs.
Ha ha ace
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 29, 2019, 10:08:18 AM
Hahahaha!Couldn't we slap a pretend beard on him and call him 'Mile'?
They won't notice.
They will when they see how much he runs.
Ha ha ace
don't make fun of our new centre forward please
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 29, 2019, 03:53:53 PM
Post by: XXVilla on April 29, 2019, 05:04:59 PM
I was literally screaming at Smith (from the comfort of my living room) to take McGinn off after that booking. It was a purely down to a massive slice of luck and probably forgetfulness that he didn't get a second yellow for the handball.
Two yellows leading to a red would have only been a one match ban wouldn’t it? Back for the playoffs.
Post by: Risso on April 29, 2019, 05:07:16 PM
I was literally screaming at Smith (from the comfort of my living room) to take McGinn off after that booking. It was a purely down to a massive slice of luck and probably forgetfulness that he didn't get a second yellow for the handball.
Two yellows leading to a red would have only been a one match ban wouldn’t it? Back for the playoffs.
Ordinarily, yes, but that would have given him 15 yellows in total leading to the three match ban, ie out for the Norwich game and the first two play off games.
Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2019, 05:42:04 PM
I was literally screaming at Smith (from the comfort of my living room) to take McGinn off after that booking. It was a purely down to a massive slice of luck and probably forgetfulness that he didn't get a second yellow for the handball.
Two yellows leading to a red would have only been a one match ban wouldn’t it? Back for the playoffs.
Ordinarily, yes, but that would have given him 15 yellows in total leading to the three match ban, ie out for the Norwich game and the first two play off games.
cumulative with the red as well, so out for the final too.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 30, 2019, 06:56:20 AM
It was ridiculous he was on the pitch
Post by: Malandro on April 30, 2019, 08:18:40 AM
Only one or two of his bookings have been daft.
Post by: Kimaster1976 on May 05, 2019, 06:33:20 AM
Can only a red card at some stage of the 2 legs prevent anyone missing the final now?
Post by: Malandro on May 05, 2019, 06:50:52 AM
Are yellow cards reset for the play offs? If he picks up a booking in the first leg that doesn't mean he's out for the 2nd leg and potential final does it?
Can only a red card at some stage of the 2 legs prevent anyone missing the final now?
Another yellow card and he misses next season.
Post by: Legion on May 05, 2019, 07:19:59 AM
Post by: Brassneck on May 05, 2019, 07:22:51 AM
Are yellow cards reset for the play offs? If he picks up a booking in the first leg that doesn't mean he's out for the 2nd leg and potential final does it?
Can only a red card at some stage of the 2 legs prevent anyone missing the final now?
I'm fairly sure that the bookings (14) only applied up until the end of games today and then they are forgotten forever.
I think the play offs carry their own system where 2 bookings in the semi-final would see a player miss the final.
Then, next season, everybody starts on an even keel with 0 bookings.
Post by: Kimaster1976 on May 05, 2019, 08:36:21 AM
Can you see him not picking up a booking in both games again Albion?
Post by: Clampy on May 05, 2019, 08:43:10 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 05, 2019, 09:34:20 AM
You wouldn't want to take anything away from his game because he has been immense but 14 bookings is way too many.
It is and it’s sonething he needs to address, particularly those wheee he’s booked for being gobby.
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 06, 2019, 08:37:52 PM
Post by: KRS on May 06, 2019, 10:10:56 PM
Post by: Tuscans on May 06, 2019, 10:14:43 PM
Do the club fine players for receiving bookings or reaching certain number of bookings?In the extremely soft world of football I bet 1 maybe 2 were deserving of bookings.
Post by: KRS on May 06, 2019, 10:26:43 PM
Post by: paul_e on May 06, 2019, 10:45:00 PM
Absolutely. My question still stands though, and I'd imagine any fine process would take into consideration unfair or incorrectly awarded bookings.
As far as I understand it there is no review process for yellow cards.
Post by: Fred Crump on May 06, 2019, 10:52:51 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on May 06, 2019, 10:55:22 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2019, 06:37:59 PM
Post by: CT on May 17, 2019, 06:12:05 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on May 18, 2019, 09:03:00 AM
Rather classy effort from this Hibs fan (Fellow Fan on twitter) wishing John, and us, all the best for Wembley.
When I was on the phone to Sky recently I got talking to a Rangers fan who raved about SJM. It’s source of amusement for them that Celtic missed out by missing out on SJM because they wouldn’t pay another £500k to match our bid
Post by: CT on May 18, 2019, 07:32:03 PM
Class.
https://twitter.com/thetremontipick/status/1129747858738098182?s=21
Post by: Matt Collins on May 18, 2019, 08:08:39 PM
Worst game he’s had for us today I think. Hopefully out of his system now and he’ll be back to normal levels on Tuesday.
I thought he was better but still some way off his best
Hopefully Derby just won't be able to block him and grealish off in the way the baggies did
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 18, 2019, 08:29:31 PM
I've found a link to that link with Hibs wishing us all the best for the Final.
Class.
https://twitter.com/thetremontipick/status/1129747858738098182?s=21
I fucking love this!
Post by: Eckybloke on May 18, 2019, 08:59:18 PM
I've found a link to that link with Hibs wishing us all the best for the Final.
Class.
https://twitter.com/thetremontipick/status/1129747858738098182?s=21
I think this is my favourite tweet ever. ❤️
😂😂
Post by: adrenachrome on May 25, 2019, 11:28:20 PM
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Aston Villa's season has been a disappointment even if we win play-off final, admits John McGinn
John Percy
25 May 2019 • 10:30pm
In a break with tradition, John McGinn and Jack Grealish missed their Thursday meal together this week, a ritual that has developed this year and cemented the relationship between the two players at the heart of Aston Villa's renaissance.
Grealish, the local hero, and McGinn, the £2.5million bargain, have made it a regular fixture since March, and on Monday they will attempt the final step towards returning the club to the Premier League in the play-off final that can change careers, and the lives of clubs.
Family came first for McGinn on Thursday, as he sat glued to the TV to watch his older brothers Stephen and Paul play for St. Mirren in their Scottish Premiership play-off first leg against Dundee United, but it is his bromance with Grealish that has so far defined Villa's resurgence.
“During the unbeaten spell [Villa won a club record ten games in a row] we always went for food on a Thursday,” McGinn said. “We’ve got similar interests and we’re similar ages. A lot of the lads have got kids and their Thursday nights are taken up. But we go out and get some food and it just started being a wee superstition and it’s carried on.
“Jack is one of the best players I’ve played with. He’s comfortably the best in the league.
“He just glides with the ball, he’s comfortable with both feet and he gets kicked about all the time but I’ve got no doubt in my mind he will be an England player one day.
“Everyone gets the perception that he’s some sort of bad boy but he’s a hard worker and he’s been a great leader for us over the past months or ten weeks.”
The respect is mutual - in March when Villa's official Twitter account asked fans to sum up McGinn in one word, Grealish replied with 'Wonderful'.
Known as 'Ginny' around Villa's Bodymoor Heath training base, McGinn has also captured the imagination of supporters.
Signed from Hibernian by former manager Steve Bruce last August, he is a cult hero, a relentlessly energetic midfielder with a penchant for a spectacular goal – such as his stunning volley against Sheffield Wednesday in front of the Holte End. His goal against Wednesday at Hillsborough in April wasn’t too shabby, either.
Expect to hear multiple renditions of the “Walking with McGinn” chant at Wembley on Monday afternoon.
“I know I’m only 24 but when you’ve won things and been relegated you know what football is like,” he says. “If you get too high it comes back to bite you on the backside so I was always aware in spells before when I’ve done well in a season, eventually there was a wee dip. I feel this season I’ve managed to keep that consistency over long periods and I’m delighted with that.
“If you’ve not got the doubts to go and prove people wrong, that’s when you get into that comfort zone and stop progressing. You will always have people to prove wrong. I always have done and I always will. I use that to spur me on and stay hungry and that’s the big aim.”
By his own admission, McGinn’s first season in English football has proved a “rollercoaster”. He had the option of joining Celtic, then managed by Brendan Rodgers, but signed for Bruce who was then sacked two months later.
Inevitably there was some doubt over where he would fit into Dean Smith’s plans, but he was pulled aside weeks after his appointment and told: “I don’t think you realise how good you can be.”
McGinn has since emerged as a crucial weapon in Smith’s promotion mission, scoring six goals and contributing nine assists (and, ahem, 14 yellow cards). He was named as Villa’s Player's Player of the Year and Supporter's Player of the Year earlier this month and will be a big player for new Scotland manager Steve Clarke.
Yet when McGinn assesses the campaign with Villa, there is a clear sense of disappointment whatever the outcome of Monday’s final.
“The season has been a failure because with the size of this club, the target is to be in the top two. But we have given ourselves the chance through another avenue to achieve what we set out to do,” he says.
“We have managed to do it the hard way because were 13th or 14th at Christmas. The reason we are delighted to be in this final is because that is an achievement in itself. We rolled our sleeves up and went on an unbelievable run to get to the final.
“It doesn’t matter how we’ve done it. We are there.
“It is definitely the biggest game of my career. l have loved every minute of it so far and if we are a Premier League club at the end of it, it will top it off."
Post by: villan from luton on May 26, 2019, 12:09:24 AM
Post by: Godfrey Brian on May 26, 2019, 09:31:42 AM
Inevitably there was some doubt over where he would fit into Dean Smith’s plans, but he was pulled aside weeks after his appointment and told: “I don’t think you realise how good you can be"
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Great example of the positive approach Smith and his management team have bought to the club.
Post by: Clampy on May 26, 2019, 09:35:20 AM
Post by: Holte132 on May 26, 2019, 09:36:45 AM
Have I missed something? What's this? I've only heard the 'achy. breaky heart' chant for McGinn.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2019, 09:41:57 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JimmyHessel/status/1116103437622624256
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 26, 2019, 09:56:21 AM
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We rolled our sleeves up and went on an unbelievable run to get to the final.
Post by: Holte132 on May 26, 2019, 09:57:37 AM
Post by: LeeB on May 26, 2019, 09:09:24 PM
Bruce was right, after all! Smith's a bloody charlatanQuoteWe rolled our sleeves up and went on an unbelievable run to get to the final.
He's not the only one I know.
Post by: Hibby Villa on May 27, 2019, 08:18:15 PM
I told you that you had a special talent and I wasn't wrong. All us Hibbies are delighted to see him do so well and to score the winning goal.
Probably the best 2m you have ever spent. I think he will be a standout next season for you and make the next step.
Came down to see you playing WBA a few months ago. You lost 2-0 and I wouldn't have put 50p on you being where you are now😂.
All the best, enjoy your night.
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 27, 2019, 08:21:27 PM
Well guys firstly congratulations on your promotion. You are back where you belong.
I told you that you had a special talent and I wasn't wrong. All us Hibbies are delighted to see him do so well and to score the winning goal.
Probably the best 2m you have ever spent. I think he will be a standout next season for you and make the next step.
Came down to see you playing WBA a few months ago. You lost 2-0 and I wouldn't have put 50p on you being where you are now😂.
All the best, enjoy your night.
You certainly weren't wrong!
Thanks!
Post by: dave shelley on May 27, 2019, 08:38:06 PM
Well guys firstly congratulations on your promotion. You are back where you belong.
I told you that you had a special talent and I wasn't wrong. All us Hibbies are delighted to see him do so well and to score the winning goal.
Probably the best 2m you have ever spent. I think he will be a standout next season for you and make the next step.
Came down to see you playing WBA a few months ago. You lost 2-0 and I wouldn't have put 50p on you being where you are now😂.
All the best, enjoy your night.
All the best for next season to you too Hibby. He really is a talent isn't he? I'd hate to have to play against him.
Post by: Smirker on May 27, 2019, 09:03:36 PM
Well guys firstly congratulations on your promotion. You are back where you belong.
I told you that you had a special talent and I wasn't wrong. All us Hibbies are delighted to see him do so well and to score the winning goal.
Probably the best 2m you have ever spent. I think he will be a standout next season for you and make the next step.
Came down to see you playing WBA a few months ago. You lost 2-0 and I wouldn't have put 50p on you being where you are now😂.
All the best, enjoy your night.
Cheers mate.
Post by: Diablo on May 27, 2019, 09:14:27 PM
Well guys firstly congratulations on your promotion. You are back where you belong.Thank you! Hibs are now officially my favourite team north of the border!
I told you that you had a special talent and I wasn't wrong. All us Hibbies are delighted to see him do so well and to score the winning goal.
Probably the best 2m you have ever spent. I think he will be a standout next season for you and make the next step.
Came down to see you playing WBA a few months ago. You lost 2-0 and I wouldn't have put 50p on you being where you are now😂.
All the best, enjoy your night.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 27, 2019, 09:17:01 PM
Post by: Diablo on May 27, 2019, 09:38:20 PM
The Accies are better.But did the Accies give us SJM?
Post by: supertom on May 27, 2019, 09:47:23 PM
Well guys firstly congratulations on your promotion. You are back where you belong.Don't think many of us would have either mate! haha. Good luck next season and thanks very much for SJM
I told you that you had a special talent and I wasn't wrong. All us Hibbies are delighted to see him do so well and to score the winning goal.
Probably the best 2m you have ever spent. I think he will be a standout next season for you and make the next step.
Came down to see you playing WBA a few months ago. You lost 2-0 and I wouldn't have put 50p on you being where you are now😂.
All the best, enjoy your night.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 29, 2019, 11:50:26 PM
https://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/wolves/what-wolves-fans-have-been-saying-about-aston-villas-john-mcginn-on-molineux-mix
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 29, 2019, 11:56:07 PM
And they call us deluded.Wow, deluded fuckwits.....they really think they are going higher anytime soon?
https://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/wolves/what-wolves-fans-have-been-saying-about-aston-villas-john-mcginn-on-molineux-mix
Post by: stubbsyandy on June 11, 2019, 07:13:29 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 12, 2019, 10:38:45 AM
Post by: UK Redsox on June 12, 2019, 10:49:08 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 12, 2019, 10:53:01 AM
With that said, I'm glad he got a rest.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 12, 2019, 11:16:39 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 27, 2019, 10:22:00 PM
Post by: andyh on June 29, 2019, 04:24:53 PM
You’ll die a happy man.
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1144915289072644097?s=21
Post by: kieron on June 29, 2019, 10:50:32 PM
£50m
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 29, 2019, 10:53:14 PM
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MANCHESTER UNITED are set to launch a sensational bid for John McGinn that would smash the transfer record for a Scot.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer wants the midfielder to add the energy he says his side are missing.
But Villa claim it’ll take a monster £50MILLION fee to prise him away from the Midlands.
United have been making background checks on McGinn in the past few days ahead of submitting an opening offer.
The 24-year-old has made a dramatic impact at Villa since then joining for a bargain £2.75m from Hibs a year ago.
If Solskjaer can strike a deal, any potential fee would be sure to eclipse the previous record deal for a Scot, Oli Burke’s £15m move to RB Leipzig.
And Hibernian would also be quids in thanks to a sell-on clause included in last year’s deal.
Villa rate McGinn so highly they are already plotting to fend off United’s interest by offering a new long-term contract.
Players and fans voted him their Player of the Year — ahead of Holte End hero Jack Grealish — before the Scotland international scored in the play-off final win over Derby County that clinched the club’s return to the Premier League.
United, though, are clearly in the mood to spend big after shelling out a staggering £50m to secure Aaron Wan-Bissaka away from Crystal Palace.
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 29, 2019, 10:55:53 PM
Post by: LowerNorthStand on June 29, 2019, 10:57:33 PM
50 million for a player who has played in Scotland and the Championship is madness
Post by: Fasth56 on June 29, 2019, 11:02:23 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 29, 2019, 11:05:20 PM
Ftf.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 29, 2019, 11:19:41 PM
Just read the story in the The Sun
50 million for a player who has played in Scotland and the Championship is madness
Agreed. They just paid that for a full back. At minimum £75m
Post by: andyh on June 29, 2019, 11:20:19 PM
Post by: villan from luton on June 29, 2019, 11:38:19 PM
Post by: London Villan on June 29, 2019, 11:42:51 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on June 29, 2019, 11:45:44 PM
Post by: OzVilla on June 29, 2019, 11:47:16 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 29, 2019, 11:48:12 PM
Post by: wolfman999 on June 29, 2019, 11:48:54 PM
Considering they’ve just paid this for a full back I’d suggest it needs to be £75mill plus Tuanzebe to make us think.
And after thinking about it, still telling them to fuck off.
Post by: Steve67 on June 30, 2019, 12:03:16 AM
Post by: UK Redsox on June 30, 2019, 12:08:00 AM
Post by: Stu on June 30, 2019, 12:14:07 AM
Although Solskjaer is completely out of his depth and will be gone within the first couple of months of the season, so a bit of upheaval to come. Having said that, he isn't playing for the manager that signed him for Villa either.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 30, 2019, 12:14:49 AM
Tuanzebe isn't good enough to get in to their side in the Premier Division, why do people think he'll be good enough to get into ours in the Premier Division? No thanks to Tuanzebe. Tell you what, we'll take David De Gea instead. That said, it's media shite and not happening.
Nixon has been right an awful lot lately. So there's every chance they are interested.
Post by: Stu on June 30, 2019, 12:15:55 AM
Post by: Steve67 on June 30, 2019, 12:16:40 AM
Tuanzebe isn't good enough to get in to their side in the Premier Division, why do people think he'll be good enough to get into ours in the Premier Division? No thanks to Tuanzebe. Tell you what, we'll take David De Gea instead. That said, it's media shite and not happening.
Nixon has been right an awful lot lately. So there's every chance they are interested.
He has also been wrong much more often. Let's see what happens but I suspect it's tripe.
Post by: aj2k77 on June 30, 2019, 12:27:03 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on June 30, 2019, 12:30:11 AM
And so it starts.....c***s.
My thoughts, exactly.
Post by: OzVilla on June 30, 2019, 12:31:22 AM
Post by: Malandro on June 30, 2019, 12:33:45 AM
Post by: Pete3206 on June 30, 2019, 12:34:32 AM
If we get anything like that amount, who are we going to replace McGinn with? It's not like you can go and build a Premier League squad with it. You'd be lucky to get a couple of decent players at around £20m each. We should fight tooth and nail to keep McGinn. In my book, he's even more valuable than Grealish.
That said, it's Man Utd and a worrying development.
Post by: Singapore Villa on June 30, 2019, 12:37:19 AM
Get to fuck.
Best regards,
AVFC
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 30, 2019, 12:44:11 AM
Post by: aldridgeboy on June 30, 2019, 12:46:40 AM
Yes but it’s not enough. £75 mill plus Tuanzebe. So basically we’d get Tuanzebe, Butland, Ming’s, Phillips for SJM with our war chest to replace McGinn still intact. I’d seriously consider that.
I’d hate to lose him. But if he goes , and he will get attention, then this would ease the horrific pain.
But I’d rather he stay, get us up the league , and go as a hero ( more than he is now )
Post by: OCD on June 30, 2019, 12:51:33 AM
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Post by: Rigadon on June 30, 2019, 07:09:43 AM
Post by: Dave P on June 30, 2019, 07:14:02 AM
Post by: CT on June 30, 2019, 07:18:06 AM
Selling McGinn now would unnecessarily pop the good vibes bubble and considerably weaken us. I don’t care how much they offer, the answer should be a resounding and definite no.
Exactly. Imagine if Spurs offer £85m for Jack at the same time. We have to draw a line, otherwise we'll be starting from scratch.
Post by: Dave P on June 30, 2019, 07:23:09 AM
Selling McGinn now would unnecessarily pop the good vibes bubble and considerably weaken us. I don’t care how much they offer, the answer should be a resounding and definite no.
Exactly. Imagine if Spurs offer £85m for Jack at the same time. We have to draw a line, otherwise we'll be starting from scratch.
With the best will in the world, I don’t think we’ll be in a position to turn down £85m for one player. I know it’s hypothetical.
Post by: Villafirst on June 30, 2019, 07:24:24 AM
Post by: Dave P on June 30, 2019, 07:28:42 AM
Post by: frank black on June 30, 2019, 07:42:29 AM
Well that’s his left foot purchased. If we have any wish to be a top team, we keep our top players.
Post by: ROBBO on June 30, 2019, 07:43:23 AM
Post by: Rigadon on June 30, 2019, 07:46:03 AM
Selling McGinn now would unnecessarily pop the good vibes bubble and considerably weaken us. I don’t care how much they offer, the answer should be a resounding and definite no.
Exactly. Imagine if Spurs offer £85m for Jack at the same time. We have to draw a line, otherwise we'll be starting from scratch.
With the best will in the world, I don’t think we’ll be in a position to turn down £85m for one player. I know it’s hypothetical.
If we can't now, we will never, ever be able to.
Post by: Perthvillan on June 30, 2019, 08:11:49 AM
He simply loves us and I would be very surprised and gutted if this were to happen no matter how much those bastards offer for him.
Who would want to join them at the moment anyway, they are a shambles.
Post by: andrew08 on June 30, 2019, 08:27:31 AM
Post by: London Villan on June 30, 2019, 08:28:59 AM
Post by: andyh on June 30, 2019, 08:36:38 AM
If we were able to keep hold of Jack last summer, despite being in the Championship, then I have no doubt the club will laugh off this latest piece of bullshit.
Cue SJM signing a lovely new contract next week though, and deservedly so.
Post by: Rigadon on June 30, 2019, 08:40:23 AM
I don’t want him to go of course, but it’s a nice demonstration of how ‘develop and sell’ would work for us. It’s how Spuds got to the position they are today.
Know what you mean, but would Spurs have had the same trajectory had they sold Bale after one season? There has to be some balance to the approach you talk about and if we're to stay in the league (hopefully comfortably), selling McGinn would be massively risky.
Anyway, hopefully it's just the familiar agent-planting-story-to-get-player-better-money scenario.
Post by: Steve67 on June 30, 2019, 08:45:24 AM
If manu were in the champions league with a settled manager i’d be more worried.
This, all day long. OGS will most likely be binned by Christmas. They can't get a tune out of many of their players and finished 6th in a four horse race! SJM beware, this is not the United that once was.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 30, 2019, 08:46:13 AM
Those two are the best players we have in our squad currently and we need to keep them ideally but i'd say these owners are proper businessmen and they'll sell if it would be crazy not too from a business sense.
So once again, like last summer, the 'top 6' won't offer the kind of money that would tempt them in my opinion.
Honestly, i love McGinn, one of the best (and my personal favourites) we've had since MON left but £50m would be good business sense at this point. If he has as good a season as we think he will this season for us it would probably be less of a good deal for us after that, but at this point as much as i rate him, he's not the caliber of player Man Utd need to push them from 5-6th in the PL to 1-2nd. The players they've been signing so far this summer are not dissimilar in quality mind.
Post by: Risso on June 30, 2019, 08:56:06 AM
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2019, 08:57:20 AM
Having said that in a world where Griezmann is valued at £100M 50M is a lot yes a lot of money for someone like John. So if they come and John wants to go let’s squeeze as much as we can. They can also pay the Hibs sell on share.
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on June 30, 2019, 09:01:05 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 30, 2019, 09:04:00 AM
Post by: Ads on June 30, 2019, 09:07:04 AM
But £50m is just crazy money and if they're actually willing to pay it, then you could buy a £30m replacement and have money left over to over pay to get Phillips, without disrupting the budget.
But the fee quoted in the article is the price tag we want not what they're willing to pay. I can't imagine they'd want to pay anything like that. They're a huge club and a huge lure...but no Champions League football, so not quite the opportunity of a lifetime.
Post by: Villafirst on June 30, 2019, 09:09:41 AM
I think the point is Risso, neither us or Man Utd know how good he is really as he's never played a game in the PL to be fully tested. In which case, £50m sounds like a ridiculous gamble, which i reckon is a bolllox story but i suppose you never fail to be suprised with modern football. It also depends from our point of view how much of a problem it is from FFP and our own resources to be paying £11m for Target, £22m for Wesley, £14m or whatever for Mings, £22m for Butland and £25m or so for Phillips. If we don't really need the money (as i suspect we don't) that's one consideration, but as i stated earlier, whichever way you look at it £50m whould make good business sense for us regardless.
Perfect blueprint for having plenty of money in the bank and getting relegated.
Post by: Brassneck on June 30, 2019, 09:15:06 AM
I’m probably in a minority here, but I’d take £50m for him. Being honest, he isn’t THAT good and if it meant we then used the money to bring Philips, another midfielder and say Tuanzebe in, it would be great business.
It's difficult and that is a good argument. However, we should know by experience that selling our best players weakens the team significantly as we replace them for poorer versions (N'Zogbia for Young, Ayew/Gestede for Bentetke.
SJM improved as the season played out. Who knows how much more he can improve, playing with and against better players?
For me, in the hypothetical scenario that £50 mil was on the table, I would turn it down. We already have the money for Phillips and another midfielder and I'm not convinced that Tuanzebe would hit the ground running in the PL.
Post by: VillaAlways on June 30, 2019, 09:20:43 AM
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Post by: chrisw1 on June 30, 2019, 09:35:12 AM
But we already have far too much to do in this window. We need some continuity from last season and he is a key player for us. Retaining PL status is just too important so I’d say right now we just can’t afford to let him go at any price. Hopefully the owners will nip this in the bud with an unequivocal ‘hands off’
Post by: OzVilla on June 30, 2019, 09:44:53 AM
Thinking a out it, why would we want less for him tha Wan-Bissaka went for?
Man Utd have set their own bar on signings now. If they’ll spend £50 mill on a young full back it’s atleast £75 mill for a midfielder like SJM. We don’t need or want to sell so it needs to be an unbelievable deal for us to consider it.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 30, 2019, 09:49:12 AM
McGinn is ours
Fcuk off Newton Heath
McGinn is ours!"
Post by: Clampy on June 30, 2019, 09:51:56 AM
Post by: john2710 on June 30, 2019, 09:52:45 AM
Post by: Ads on June 30, 2019, 09:55:52 AM
Still, they are Man United and they do pay ridiculous wages. But they're also an utter shambles, without an identity, full of over paid sulks like Pogba and Sanchez, who will be sacking another manager come December.
Post by: TopDeck113 on June 30, 2019, 10:22:57 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2019, 10:26:40 AM
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 30, 2019, 10:27:00 AM
Post by: TopDeck113 on June 30, 2019, 10:28:05 AM
Yes.
What percentage? And is it up to a maximum amount?
Post by: Clampy on June 30, 2019, 10:30:44 AM
I'd worry about going into a season in the Premier League without last season's best defender, best striker and second-best (by a whisker) midfielder.
Well Abraham wont come back but he's been replaced, Mings could still come and Mcginn has not gone anywhere so I'd not worry too much.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 30, 2019, 10:32:04 AM
You're quite right but until we do sign Mings and Man Utd go fuck themselves it'll be a nagging worry.I'd worry about going into a season in the Premier League without last season's best defender, best striker and second-best (by a whisker) midfielder.
Well Abraham wont come back but he's been replaced, Mings could still come and Mcginn has not gone anywhere so I'd not worry too much.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2019, 10:32:28 AM
Post by: Richard E on June 30, 2019, 10:33:18 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 30, 2019, 10:33:22 AM
I think the point is Risso, neither us or Man Utd know how good he is really as he's never played a game in the PL to be fully tested. In which case, £50m sounds like a ridiculous gamble, which i reckon is a bolllox story but i suppose you never fail to be suprised with modern football. It also depends from our point of view how much of a problem it is from FFP and our own resources to be paying £11m for Target, £22m for Wesley, £14m or whatever for Mings, £22m for Butland and £25m or so for Phillips. If we don't really need the money (as i suspect we don't) that's one consideration, but as i stated earlier, whichever way you look at it £50m whould make good business sense for us regardless.
Perfect blueprint for having plenty of money in the bank and getting relegated.
What is? Spending nearly £100m on 5 players and resisting offers for McGinn that are well short of £50m. I would have said that's a blue print for splashing a fortune and establishing ourselves back in the Premier League, not quite sure what you're expecting?
Post by: andrew08 on June 30, 2019, 10:36:34 AM
Yes.
What percentage? And is it up to a maximum amount?
I don’t think I’ve seen one more than 20% of profit. So less than £10 million. It would be great business by everyone, and set up by Steve Bruce in fairness to him. I’d be tempted in all honesty, get that Leeds fella or the equivalent and move on. I’d rather not, but this is where we’re at right now. Bigger clubs can still click their fingers.
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2019, 10:37:23 AM
Did Hibs have the foresight to insert an sell-on clause?
Yes.We expect our Scottish friends to be frugal and fiducial in such matters.
Post by: TopDeck113 on June 30, 2019, 10:38:19 AM
I doubt there is a maximum amount. 15% according to a Hibs forum but they seem to be speculating wildly.
Cheers.
Post by: London Villan on June 30, 2019, 10:38:24 AM
Post by: Clampy on June 30, 2019, 10:39:52 AM
Yes.
What percentage? And is it up to a maximum amount?
I don’t think I’ve seen one more than 20% of profit. So less than £10 million. It would be great business by everyone, and set up by Steve Bruce in fairness to him. I’d be tempted in all honesty, get that Leeds fella or the equivalent and move on. I’d rather not, but this is where we’re at right now. Bigger clubs can still click their fingers.
So you'd sell one of our best players just because a big team supposedly put in a bid so we can 'move on'?
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2019, 10:40:08 AM
If he has to go I'd rather they make up the deal with players so throw in Tuanzebe, Sanchez and Martial plus cash and I'd think about it.
Post by: Clampy on June 30, 2019, 10:42:01 AM
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2019, 10:43:39 AM
Post by: Richard E on June 30, 2019, 10:44:41 AM
Paying Martial and Sanchez's big fat wage bill will soon get rid os that £50M.
They’ll both be prepared to take a pay cut to join a more prestigious club.
Post by: richtheholtender on June 30, 2019, 10:54:15 AM
Post by: dave shelley on June 30, 2019, 11:03:06 AM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 30, 2019, 11:06:16 AM
IF there is any substance to this, it's the sheer arrogance that pisses me off. It may be well-founded arrogance given the history of Manure's transfer policy, See Dwight Yorke. It really annoys me that they feel they can just come and cherry-pick the better players of clubs they perceive to be lesser than themselves. Sadly, it was ever so.Surely we put down a marker last year when we said Jack was not for sale, why would it be any different now with SJM?
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 30, 2019, 11:11:15 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 30, 2019, 11:11:28 AM
IF there is any substance to this, it's the sheer arrogance that pisses me off. It may be well-founded arrogance given the history of Manure's transfer policy, See Dwight Yorke. It really annoys me that they feel they can just come and cherry-pick the better players of clubs they perceive to be lesser than themselves. Sadly, it was ever so.What like us with a Leeds and Bristol you mean?
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2019, 11:30:52 AM
IF there is any substance to this, it's the sheer arrogance that pisses me off. It may be well-founded arrogance given the history of Manure's transfer policy, See Dwight Yorke. It really annoys me that they feel they can just come and cherry-pick the better players of clubs they perceive to be lesser than themselves. Sadly, it was ever so.
Isn't that the way football works e.g. we seem to be cherry picking better players from championship clubs going by the links.
Anyway he needs to stay here so I'd just dismiss it as paper talk. One of our crown jewels like Jack that isn't simply for sale at any price imo.
Post by: TaxDodger on June 30, 2019, 11:34:10 AM
Post by: Iamkmkm on June 30, 2019, 11:35:31 AM
Post by: danno on June 30, 2019, 11:37:50 AM
Probably smarter to hold onto him in that case.
Makes me wonder what someone like Ward Prowse must cost.
Post by: Villafirst on June 30, 2019, 11:38:23 AM
I would rather still be in the championship then sell McGinn, that's how much i like him.
McGinn wouldn't be here if we were still in yhe Championship
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 30, 2019, 11:42:26 AM
I think like most 'stories' you read around this time it's a load of bollocks anyway.
Post by: Stu on June 30, 2019, 11:45:48 AM
Post by: andrew08 on June 30, 2019, 11:48:11 AM
Yes.
What percentage? And is it up to a maximum amount?
I don’t think I’ve seen one more than 20% of profit. So less than £10 million. It would be great business by everyone, and set up by Steve Bruce in fairness to him. I’d be tempted in all honesty, get that Leeds fella or the equivalent and move on. I’d rather not, but this is where we’re at right now. Bigger clubs can still click their fingers.
So you'd sell one of our best players just because a big team supposedly put in a bid so we can 'move on'?
I’d rather we didn’t sell him, but I’d hope we’d ‘move on’ if we did.
Or we could sit and mope about it, is that what you expect us to do? I’d hope we’d signed his replacement and have this eventuality pre planned.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2019, 11:52:26 AM
Post by: wittonwarrior on June 30, 2019, 11:57:21 AM
Post by: Billy Walker on June 30, 2019, 12:23:19 PM
Post by: Clampy on June 30, 2019, 12:55:03 PM
Yes.
What percentage? And is it up to a maximum amount?
I don’t think I’ve seen one more than 20% of profit. So less than £10 million. It would be great business by everyone, and set up by Steve Bruce in fairness to him. I’d be tempted in all honesty, get that Leeds fella or the equivalent and move on. I’d rather not, but this is where we’re at right now. Bigger clubs can still click their fingers.
So you'd sell one of our best players just because a big team supposedly put in a bid so we can 'move on'?
I’d rather we didn’t sell him, but I’d hope we’d ‘move on’ if we did.
Or we could sit and mope about it, is that what you expect us to do? I’d hope we’d signed his replacement and have this eventuality pre planned.
But you are talking as if it's already done and not just a few hours old paper rumour.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2019, 01:00:39 PM
Think same applies to McGinn here, he's simply too important to lose at this point.
Post by: Smithy on June 30, 2019, 01:09:14 PM
BUT - do you really think ManU would spend £50m on him to add to a midfield that includes Pogba, Mata, Herrera, Lindgard, and Matic and think McGinn in the one who helps them go from outside the champions league places to title contenders? I don't.
Next summer, after he's spent a year showing everyone what he can do in the top flight, maybe - but for a team hoping to make up a thirty point gap on the champions, I just don't see it.
Can you imagine the fan reaction if they spent £50m on a player who spent last season in the championship for a team that didn't even go up automatically? It just doesn't pass the smell test. At all.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2019, 01:13:12 PM
Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 30, 2019, 01:16:36 PM
They have paid £50m for Wan Bissaka so it’s not beyond the realms of possibility they could pay the same for SGM
Just hope we tell them where to go if they do come calling, the thing is a club like United May only call once and players get their heads turned by such offers.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2019, 01:18:14 PM
John McGinn is a brilliant, brilliant player for us - and almost certainly essential if we're to consolidate as a premier league force this coming season.
BUT - do you really think ManU would spend £50m on him to add to a midfield that includes Pogba, Mata, Herrera, Lindgard, and Matic and think McGinn in the one who helps them go from outside the champions league places to title contenders? I don't.
Next summer, after he's spent a year showing everyone what he can do in the top flight, maybe - but for a team hoping to make up a thirty point gap on the champions, I just don't see it.
Can you imagine the fan reaction if they spent £50m on a player who spent last season in the championship for a team that didn't even go up automatically? It just doesn't pass the smell test. At all.
Pogba wants to leave, Herrera already has (PSG), Matic looked past it in run in last season although still there, Mata and Lingard more number 10 players . Certainly an area where they could sign 1-2 players.
Man. United policy now seems to be going after under 25 players given the two they've signed already, that said I've read they're more interested in Longstaff from Newcastle.
Edit: They signed Fred for 50m last summer but he looked ill suited to premier league. Still there for now.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 30, 2019, 01:19:24 PM
OGS has got a mandate for a rebuild and he has a huge problem with mentality.
No idea if that makes the SJM a target or not, but it’s in The Sun.
What I do know, is that our owners number 1 priority is surviving next season in the PL.
Post by: Monty on June 30, 2019, 01:25:22 PM
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 30, 2019, 01:41:01 PM
I’m probably in a minority here, but I’d take £50m for him. Being honest, he isn’t THAT good and if it meant we then used the money to bring Philips, another midfielder and say Tuanzebe in, it would be great business.I agree.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2019, 01:47:31 PM
It's the area where we would have least amount of work to do in building the club up.
If we sell McGinn we also have to replace him while also find two good centre halfs, another decent wide player and prolific striker.
At this stage of building the club up I just don't feel it would be smart move to cash in. It would be similar to Wolves selling Ruben Neves last summer when his stock was high.
They kept him, signed 2-3 other quality players around him and he more than played his part in them finishing 7th.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2019, 01:59:02 PM
I’m probably in a minority here, but I’d take £50m for him. Being honest, he isn’t THAT good and if it meant we then used the money to bring Philips, another midfielder and say Tuanzebe in, it would be great business.I agree.
I don't. We have loads of money, just go and improve the squad without selling any of our star players.
In any case, they haven't offered £50 million, the article suggests that's what we want, not what they want to pay. They would likely offer roughly the same amount that Leeds want for Phillips.
It would be a completely pointless deal.
Post by: andyh on June 30, 2019, 02:05:22 PM
I’m probably in a minority here, but I’d take £50m for him. Being honest, he isn’t THAT good and if it meant we then used the money to bring Philips, another midfielder and say Tuanzebe in, it would be great business.Phillips and Tuanzebe would be the best part of £30m, taking into account the Leeds valuation for Phillips.
Who would you get that is better than McGinn for the remaining money?
I agree.
Post by: Villafirst on June 30, 2019, 02:27:27 PM
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2019, 02:29:41 PM
Yeah, Wolves players like Neves, Jota and the manager seem to slip under the radar. Having said that, I think SJM is better than Neves!No comparison as they are totally different players.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2019, 02:45:46 PM
Yeah, Wolves players like Neves, Jota and the manager seem to slip under the radar. Having said that, I think SJM is better than Neves!
Neves was being linked to Man. City last season although seems to have gone quiet there so hopefully little in this McGinn link aswell. Seems Wolves put 100m price tag and Pep was no longer interested.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2019, 02:49:36 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 30, 2019, 03:16:03 PM
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 30, 2019, 03:21:16 PM
If Man U really put a 50m bid in i don't think we could turn it down to be honest. I mean, technically we could but is McGinn worth 50m?
Plus he might actually want to go if they did of course.
35m and Tuanzebe ?
Obviously the ideal scenario would be to say fuck off and still sign Tuanzebe from them
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2019, 03:32:24 PM
Post by: Smirker on June 30, 2019, 06:32:06 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on June 30, 2019, 08:42:24 PM
I think Manure will be having a huge clear out including Pogba Mata Matic,
OGS has got a mandate for a rebuild and he has a huge problem with mentality.
No idea if that makes the SJM a target or not, but it’s in The Sun.
What I do know, is that our owners number 1 priority is surviving next season in the PL.
Mata signed a new contract
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 30, 2019, 08:58:12 PM
Post by: VillaAlways on June 30, 2019, 08:58:49 PM
He did. Their “fans” were lividI think Manure will be having a huge clear out including Pogba Mata Matic,
OGS has got a mandate for a rebuild and he has a huge problem with mentality.
No idea if that makes the SJM a target or not, but it’s in The Sun.
What I do know, is that our owners number 1 priority is surviving next season in the PL.
Mata signed a new contract
Post by: manic-road on June 30, 2019, 09:57:56 PM
Someone could come in with a 50m bid for Grealish next week, next to no chance we'd sell him.
Think same applies to McGinn here, he's simply too important to lose at this point.
If a big enough/stupid offer went in for any player they would consider it. I think it's bullshit about wee John but £50m I'd sell at that price.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 30, 2019, 10:48:00 PM
Wow.He did. Their “fans” were lividI think Manure will be having a huge clear out including Pogba Mata Matic,
OGS has got a mandate for a rebuild and he has a huge problem with mentality.
No idea if that makes the SJM a target or not, but it’s in The Sun.
What I do know, is that our owners number 1 priority is surviving next season in the PL.
Mata signed a new contract
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 01, 2019, 11:53:41 AM
Someone could come in with a 50m bid for Grealish next week, next to no chance we'd sell him.
Think same applies to McGinn here, he's simply too important to lose at this point.
Tottenham will improve their previos offer from last season to £27.50 Million any day now.
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 01, 2019, 01:49:15 PM
Someone could come in with a 50m bid for Grealish next week, next to no chance we'd sell him.
Think same applies to McGinn here, he's simply too important to lose at this point.
Tottenham will improve their previos offer from last season to £27.50 Million any day now.
We wont go a penny over a fiver but will lob in a goldfish and balloon.
Post by: not3bad on July 01, 2019, 04:55:52 PM
Not sure why he'd want to leave a successful team and a club on the up for a club in chaos?
Indeed. If he's going to step up to the Premier League I find it difficult to think of a better option to make that step with than Villa.
Post by: TonyD on July 01, 2019, 06:28:40 PM
Post by: themossman on July 01, 2019, 06:43:43 PM
It feels to me like managers and clubs are wise to this.
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2019, 06:57:03 PM
Post by: danno on July 01, 2019, 08:42:27 PM
It's why Palace can ask £50 million for Wan Bissaka, Leicester can ask £70 million for Maguire and just shrug if the interested clubs back off.
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2019, 09:13:45 PM
Think in England at least, the transfer fees are so mental because TV money means no club is under any real financial pressure to sell.
It's why Palace can ask £50 million for Wan Bissaka, Leicester can ask £70 million for Maguire and just shrug if the interested clubs back off.
But how does that apply to Bristol and Leeds wanting £20m+ for Webster and Phillips? Or Justin going for £8m. Those fees are inflated partly because there's loads of money around but also because so many clubs would rather bring players through after they have experience of first team football elsewhere.
Post by: wolfman999 on July 02, 2019, 12:46:39 PM
Think in England at least, the transfer fees are so mental because TV money means no club is under any real financial pressure to sell.
It's why Palace can ask £50 million for Wan Bissaka, Leicester can ask £70 million for Maguire and just shrug if the interested clubs back off.
But how does that apply to Bristol and Leeds wanting £20m+ for Webster and Phillips? Or Justin going for £8m. Those fees are inflated partly because there's loads of money around but also because so many clubs would rather bring players through after they have experience of first team football elsewhere.
The huge money available to Premiership clubs can be both a benefit and a curse. Clubs will quote higher prices because they know you have the money hence the inflation which filters down the leagues. Can't blame them really, I would.
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 02, 2019, 01:38:26 PM
The heart, emotional side of me thinks that these 2 represent the ethos and the whole spirit and heartbeat of our club so it could not be replaced.
And if I were to sell it would not be to that Red filth from Manchester
Post by: mike on July 02, 2019, 01:45:46 PM
The professional, head side of me thinks that if £50million was offered for each of Grealish or McGinn then the club should rip their hands off
The heart, emotional side of me thinks that these 2 represent the ethos and the whole spirit and heartbeat of our club so it could not be replaced.
And if I were to sell it would not be to that Red filth from Manchester
I think our survival this year depends upon keeping the heartbeat of the club, which is McGinn/Grealish. We couldn't just replace them like for like, and even if we could, the soul would have been ripped out of the squad.
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 02, 2019, 02:00:07 PM
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Post by: KRS on July 02, 2019, 02:32:08 PM
When people are paying 50 million for a rookie full back, you wonder how we could replace Jack for a similar fee.Man Utd appear to have shot themselves in the foot with that £50m signing...Leicester are already (and quite rightly) using it as a milestone and comparison for Man Utd’s pursuit of McGuire stating that £75m isn’t enough for an experienced international CB.
For me, £50-60m would be very tempting for SJM but he is worth more to us than his market value. If there were many affordable replacements available then Man Utd would be chasing those. We need to strengthen our team not weaken it by letting our best players go.
Post by: not3bad on July 02, 2019, 04:13:09 PM
The professional, head side of me thinks that if £50million was offered for each of Grealish or McGinn then the club should rip their hands off
The heart, emotional side of me thinks that these 2 represent the ethos and the whole spirit and heartbeat of our club so it could not be replaced.
And if I were to sell it would not be to that Red filth from Manchester
I think our survival this year depends upon keeping the heartbeat of the club, which is McGinn/Grealish. We couldn't just replace them like for like, and even if we could, the soul would have been ripped out of the squad.
The logical side of me says that if we sold Grealish and Mcginn for whatever price we'd be heading straight back down to the Championship. You don't just replace players like that with ease. O maybe Jordan Vertout is available again?
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2019, 01:20:58 PM
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1149814288820908034?s=12
Post by: Steve67 on July 13, 2019, 09:57:04 PM
Post by: Tuscans on July 13, 2019, 11:19:26 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 13, 2019, 11:22:36 PM
Post by: jcsutv on July 13, 2019, 11:25:12 PM
To be handed a bumper contract according to papers.
Well deserved
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 14, 2019, 12:12:06 AM
Post by: Steve67 on July 14, 2019, 12:36:19 AM
Post by: darren woolley on July 15, 2019, 09:42:57 AM
Post by: Dazvillain on July 16, 2019, 09:12:28 AM
Post by: Clampy on July 16, 2019, 09:16:05 AM
I know there’s a lot of contract work going on but this was talked about a long time ago (approaching 8 weeks from Wembley). Needs urgently sorting
Not really. He's only a year into his present one.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 25, 2019, 03:14:12 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2019, 03:18:27 PM
Where is John going to play? I am getting worried for him.
Why? We can’t just rely on him and he needs competition too. I want us to play different styles and there will be times when he doesn’t start he will be massively effective coming of the bench late in games. I still remember the first time I saw Ronaldo on the bench for Man U. A bloke who’s scored 50 or so in a season being rotated. If it’s good enough for the biggest clubs out there to rotate their star players then we absolutely need to have the squad depth to do the same. For years our bench has been a huge drop off in quality to our first team. It won’t be anymore.
Post by: Smirker on July 25, 2019, 03:21:03 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on July 25, 2019, 03:22:53 PM
Where is John going to play? I am getting worried for him.
Start of season....... Conor, John, Jack
By mid Sep....... Doug, John, Jack
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 25, 2019, 03:24:01 PM
Post by: Brassneck on July 25, 2019, 03:24:28 PM
Post by: Brassneck on July 25, 2019, 03:25:32 PM
Where is John going to play? I am getting worried for him.
Start of season....... Conor, John, Jack
By mid Sep....... Doug, John, Jack
Please God, not Conor at Spurs.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 27, 2019, 07:32:04 PM
Post by: Smirker on July 27, 2019, 08:08:29 PM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 27, 2019, 08:15:42 PM
Can only be good for the team.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2019, 08:17:26 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 27, 2019, 09:11:04 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 27, 2019, 09:14:33 PM
Welcome to the finest football club that you will ever play for, AVFC.
One of my favourite Villa players ever Des Bremner joined us from Hibs and if you’re anywhere as good as him then I for one will be happy.
Loved Dessie Bremner. He ran all day, simply did not stop.
If McGinn is as good a player and is as committed as he was, we will be very lucky and I will be very happy. The perfect foil for Sid, Dennis Mortimer, and Tony Morley.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/niDXLe/Des_Bremner.jpg) (https://ibb.co/niDXLe)
What do you reckon?
Post by: Steve67 on July 27, 2019, 10:58:41 PM
Post by: Dazvillain on July 27, 2019, 11:05:05 PM
I hope that we remember SJM in years to come, the way we remember Des Bremner.Yeh did that a while ago .... there was talk since Wembley that he would be tied down to an improved contract . Unusually that’s all gone very quiet
Post by: Steve67 on July 27, 2019, 11:08:49 PM
I hope that we remember SJM in years to come, the way we remember Des Bremner.Yeh did that a while ago .... there was talk since Wembley that he would be tied down to an improved contract . Unusually that’s all gone very quiet
True, but hoes does still have another three years left I guess. The club won't sell unless they really have to and I don't think even Man United can afford SJM.
Post by: aldridgeboy on July 27, 2019, 11:35:41 PM
I can’t see it ( hopefully)
(https://i.ibb.co/WDR8F3f/1-BEDBD76-533-A-4508-9-CE8-E8-E9975-A7608.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WDR8F3f)
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2019, 11:39:14 PM
Twat.
Post by: Smirker on July 27, 2019, 11:40:22 PM
Post by: malckennedy on July 27, 2019, 11:42:25 PM
Fergie allegedly wants United to sign him.
I can’t see it ( hopefully)
(https://i.ibb.co/WDR8F3f/1-BEDBD76-533-A-4508-9-CE8-E8-E9975-A7608.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WDR8F3f)
Yes, the twat in the Scum says Ferguson wants him. I think that, if this if true, then Ferguson will have to go on wanting! We’re not quite in the position we were just over a year ago.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2019, 11:43:36 PM
And neither are they.Fergie allegedly wants United to sign him.
I can’t see it ( hopefully)
(https://i.ibb.co/WDR8F3f/1-BEDBD76-533-A-4508-9-CE8-E8-E9975-A7608.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WDR8F3f)
Yes, the twat in the Scum says Ferguson wants him. I think that, if this if true, then Ferguson will have to go on wanting! We’re not quite in the position we were just over a year ago.
They are a shambles of a club right now.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2019, 11:44:41 PM
Post by: danno on July 27, 2019, 11:45:37 PM
Post by: KevinGage on July 27, 2019, 11:46:55 PM
Post by: Villafirst on July 27, 2019, 11:51:57 PM
It was cobblers a month ago, A £50 million bid was imminent wasn't it? And it's bunkum now.
£50m ? That's a joke considering Palace want upwards of £70m for the bang average Wilfred Zaha. We need to show intent and get SJM on a longer lucrative contract sharpish.
Post by: dave shelley on July 28, 2019, 12:53:30 AM
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2019, 12:58:42 AM
And if that isn't being mooted amongst the Villa hierarchy...
If he's worth that now, think what he'll be worth in a years time.
That only questiion, would be mad to sell him now not just from a team point of view.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2019, 02:03:33 AM
Post by: Dazvillain on July 28, 2019, 07:46:11 AM
Post by: Baldy on July 28, 2019, 07:53:37 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 28, 2019, 08:14:04 AM
There is not a chance in hell we will sell him. It’s not just about market value or a number. John McGinn is the embodiment of all that is great about us right now. He is as much the heart and soul of the team as Jack is. Or Tyrone. He is what we have come to love about this team. He represents intangibles that simply cannot he measured or written on a piece of paper or as a figure next to a pound sign on a cheque. He might not be the best midfielder in the world. Heck he might not be the best midfielder we have at the club. But on and off the pitch he is everything we want in a man Aston Villa player. And I’m sure Dean Smith, Purslow and our owners know that.
Superbly put.
Post by: PeterWithe on July 28, 2019, 08:54:16 AM
He’s a massive talent when we have the ball and has great energy for when we press, be interesting to see how his positional play without possession develops.
Post by: john e on July 28, 2019, 09:16:21 AM
Source -
Post by: Baldy on July 28, 2019, 09:33:32 AM
In the main they were very complimentary towards him and Jack but acknowledge that Villa are no longer a feeder club and do not need to sell.
Our improved status is not going unnoticed!! Long may it continue.
Post by: Pete3206 on July 28, 2019, 11:58:17 AM
So do one you has beens.
Post by: AV82EC on July 28, 2019, 12:00:43 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/mrjimmyhessel/status/1155407027604262912
Post by: Steve67 on July 28, 2019, 12:19:06 PM
Post by: villadelph on July 28, 2019, 03:39:01 PM
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 28, 2019, 06:05:36 PM
Out of curiosity, just had a peep at the Man Utd message board (redcafe) and the consensus seems to be 'give McGinn one year with Villa in the EPL to see how he does before contemplating 50 million quid'.
Once McGinn shows the uneducated Premier League watchers just how good he really is, £50m will be nowhere near enough in our crazy transfer market.
Post by: olaftab on July 28, 2019, 06:27:52 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on August 02, 2019, 09:42:39 AM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/john-mcginn-trains-like-a-demon-he-reminds-me-of-wayne-rooney-zxn6vwdkm
Post by: kieron on August 02, 2019, 09:55:18 AM
Quote
Firstly, John McGinn launched the press to force a mistake from a panicked rival before pouncing on the error to dart forward with the ball at his feet. There was a scything challenge from a defender, desperately seeking to avert danger, to vault over, before bursting into the penalty area where he showcased some fancy footwork to flummox an embarrassed goalkeeper.
A close-range finish into a gaping net brought an end to eight seconds of mayhem for Aston Villa in a 4-1 victory over Charlton Athletic in their penultimate pre-season fixture and served to whet the appetite for what might follow.
“What happened at the weekend will happen many more times in the Premier League,” says Andy Holden, a former Everton coach. “That goal is John in a nutshell. Not many midfielders do what he does.”
Holden speaks from experience having worked with McGinn at Hibernian while a member of Alan Stubbs’s coaching staff and has championed the 24-year-old long before Villa’s return to the top flight was confirmed in May. Typically, it was McGinn who scored the decisive goal at Wembley in a 2-1 victory over Derby County.
A year ago, the Scotland international was preparing to move from Hibernian to the Championship for what has proved, in this money-flushed era, a bargain £3 million fee, and another step up in a career set on fast-forward.
McGinn can already count on the adoration of the Holte End, but boasts the potential to earn himself an army of new admirers next season as his all-action style and penchant for the spectacular gains wider attention. For rivals he is not so much one to watch, as one to stifle.
“He is a throwback,” says Holden, who also spent more than a decade as a coach at Everton before two seasons in Edinburgh as McGinn helped Hibernian win the Scottish Cup for the first time in more than a century in 2016.
“At Hibs, he would be the first one out to train and he’d ask, ‘What was Wayne Rooney like?’
“I’d say, ‘Just like you, son.’ Wayne would be the first out with a bag of balls on his back and last in carrying a bag of balls as well.
“They are different players, and you can’t compare what they have done, but in terms of loving football and having drive and focus they are very similar.
“John trains like a demon, cares massively about what he does and he is a gem of a kid. In the dressing room, he will say something to gee-up his team-mates but what sets him apart is that he also has the ability to do things in a game that lead the way as well.
“I’m sure a lot of people will see that over the coming months.”
The education McGinn received in his homeland with St Mirren and then Hibs ensured he arrived at Villa with almost 200 appearances in senior football under his belt by the age of 23.
If Steve Bruce did little to endear himself to the Villa fans during his tenure, then he can, at least, point to one of his last acts being to recruit the high-octane midfielder who will look to continue offering both industry and inspiration.
Having also signed Andrew Robertson during his time in charge at Hull City, Bruce seems decidedly less sniffy about recruiting from Scotland than those who prefer to wait to see how exports fare south of the border.
Like Robertson and Virgil van Dijk, McGinn is also attracting interest from the established elite.
Manchester United have watched McGinn — Sir Alex Ferguson knows his grandfather, Jack, a former chairman of Celtic — but the likelihood remains that he signs a new long-term contract at Villa Park.
If the new season goes as predicted for McGinn then Villa’s foresight will be rewarded.
“He won’t have any fears about the Premier League. He will actually get more time to play, more time to get on the ball and influence matches; name the midfielders who do what he does.
“People thought of him as a battering ram, but he’s much more than that. He’ll drive past you and if he sends a shot 30 yards over the crossbar, it won’t bother him because he will back himself to put it in the top corner next time.
“We worked on his distances at Hibs because sometimes he would come too deep and get the ball off the centre halves and play the pass they could have played,” continued Holden.
“But he quickly learnt and if I shouted ‘McGinn’ he would just raise his hand in acknowledgement and move forward to where he could influence the game better.
“He’s at a massive club at Villa, but there’ll be plenty of clubs doing homework on John this season. He’s a special kid and a special player.”
Post by: Axl Rose on August 02, 2019, 10:03:49 AM
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Post by: Hookeysmith on August 02, 2019, 12:25:51 PM
The more I see that goal against Charlton the more you realise he must be bloody tough to play against. He swarmed over the defenders like they were in quicksand and then the quickness of his feet to go past the keeper was sublime.
I really do think he will surprise a few this year
Post by: Mister E on August 02, 2019, 12:51:53 PM
I have a twitch followed by a lovely warm feelingI know what you mean, Hookey, but I think other teams will bear down hard on John and Jack ... which is great news for AEG and Trezeguet / Jota. I think Smith is going to set us up a bit like Liverpool over the last 2 seasons, where Firmino effectively played at the top of the diamond, and Sane and Salah wreaked havoc.
The more I see that goal against Charlton the more you realise he must be bloody tough to play against. He swarmed over the defenders like they were in quicksand and then the quickness of his feet to go past the keeper was sublime.
I really do think he will surprise a few this year
I see our 2 wide players being very influential this season, with Wesley being the lynchpin in front of our 3 midfielders.. As long as we can retain possession and move the ball quickly, we'll be fine and great to watch.
Post by: bjfoster on August 02, 2019, 12:57:58 PM
This. A million times over.
Post by: Smirker on August 02, 2019, 01:06:36 PM
Can't wait to see him work his magic in the PL.
Post by: paul_e on August 02, 2019, 01:35:40 PM
I have a twitch followed by a lovely warm feelingI know what you mean, Hookey, but I think other teams will bear down hard on John and Jack ... which is great news for AEG and Trezeguet / Jota. I think Smith is going to set us up a bit like Liverpool over the last 2 seasons, where Firmino effectively played at the top of the diamond, and Sane and Salah wreaked havoc.
The more I see that goal against Charlton the more you realise he must be bloody tough to play against. He swarmed over the defenders like they were in quicksand and then the quickness of his feet to go past the keeper was sublime.
I really do think he will surprise a few this year
I see our 2 wide players being very influential this season, with Wesley being the lynchpin in front of our 3 midfielders.. As long as we can retain possession and move the ball quickly, we'll be fine and great to watch.
I completely agree with this, I think that's exactly how we'll play and it wouldn't surprise me if one of the wide players ends up being our top scorer this year.
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on August 04, 2019, 07:41:06 PM
Worrying about John McGinn, I've seen it all now.
Maybe someone could put this up by his peg in the changing room....
Post by: Smirker on August 04, 2019, 07:46:34 PM
From a Spuds forum :
Worrying about John McGinn, I've seen it all now.
Maybe someone could put this up by his peg in the changing room....
If we win and McGinn scores in the game, this is my new sig.
Post by: algy on August 04, 2019, 08:02:59 PM
That's pretty much how I've seen it. To me, Big Wes has been brought in not because he'll score 20 goals a season, but that he'll score 10 and set up another 20 or so. Can see us having half a dozen players on, or close to, the 10 goal mark.I have a twitch followed by a lovely warm feelingI know what you mean, Hookey, but I think other teams will bear down hard on John and Jack ... which is great news for AEG and Trezeguet / Jota. I think Smith is going to set us up a bit like Liverpool over the last 2 seasons, where Firmino effectively played at the top of the diamond, and Sane and Salah wreaked havoc.
The more I see that goal against Charlton the more you realise he must be bloody tough to play against. He swarmed over the defenders like they were in quicksand and then the quickness of his feet to go past the keeper was sublime.
I really do think he will surprise a few this year
I see our 2 wide players being very influential this season, with Wesley being the lynchpin in front of our 3 midfielders.. As long as we can retain possession and move the ball quickly, we'll be fine and great to watch.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2019, 10:16:48 PM
On a side note, if Jack had scored the same goals as John, the Villa internet and beyond would be in meltdown. Quality wise, you can't separate them with a cigarette paper. Jack may take the headlines but together they're unstoppable. Completely different players but both adding that magic. Second half on Saturday I wondered if Jack had been subbed at half time. Then I saw SJM. We are seriously blessed.
Post by: Smirker on August 04, 2019, 10:25:36 PM
Post by: mike on August 05, 2019, 06:38:22 AM
Jack and John go together like curry and rice.
I think you mean naan.
Post by: Axl Rose on August 05, 2019, 07:03:58 AM
That's pretty much how I've seen it. To me, Big Wes has been brought in not because he'll score 20 goals a season, but that he'll score 10 and set up another 20 or so. Can see us having half a dozen players on, or close to, the 10 goal mark.I have a twitch followed by a lovely warm feelingI know what you mean, Hookey, but I think other teams will bear down hard on John and Jack ... which is great news for AEG and Trezeguet / Jota. I think Smith is going to set us up a bit like Liverpool over the last 2 seasons, where Firmino effectively played at the top of the diamond, and Sane and Salah wreaked havoc.
The more I see that goal against Charlton the more you realise he must be bloody tough to play against. He swarmed over the defenders like they were in quicksand and then the quickness of his feet to go past the keeper was sublime.
I really do think he will surprise a few this year
I see our 2 wide players being very influential this season, with Wesley being the lynchpin in front of our 3 midfielders.. As long as we can retain possession and move the ball quickly, we'll be fine and great to watch.
It seemed to be the case at Brentford, too. They always used to have so many different goalscorers.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 05, 2019, 01:46:58 PM
Will be difficult for opposition to know who to try and nullify.
The most important thing of all is that even on a bad day and we possibly get thumped you just know the line up and tactics were to win the game and we were only let down by the unplanned individual error or a bit of genius from a better quality team / player.
And for me - I could not ask any more than that
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 08, 2019, 09:47:18 AM
Post by: Dazvillain on August 08, 2019, 09:47:43 AM
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2019, 09:48:33 AM
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Post by: frank black on August 08, 2019, 09:50:50 AM
Top player
Post by: andyh on August 08, 2019, 09:51:49 AM
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Post by: not3bad on August 08, 2019, 09:59:19 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2019, 10:03:31 AM
Post by: Villa Lew on August 08, 2019, 10:04:39 AM
Great news
Post by: Villan For Life on August 08, 2019, 10:05:38 AM
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 08, 2019, 10:06:19 AM
Oh and piss off yer whisky faced old has been, he's ours.
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 08, 2019, 10:07:58 AM
Unlucky, Newton Heath... :D
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 08, 2019, 10:15:46 AM
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2019, 10:16:18 AM
Quote from: Super John McGinn
“I have loved every minute of my time at Aston Villa and I am delighted to commit myself to the club for the long term,"
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 08, 2019, 10:23:31 AM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 08, 2019, 10:33:04 AM
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 08, 2019, 10:48:40 AM
Andy Gray certainly, Alan Evans, Alan McInally briefly, Alan Hutton...we did didn't we? especially for that goal. I'm sure Villa fans of yesteryear loved Archie Hunter. There's probably more I know.
SJM gives his all every game and that's what we want to see from a player. Goals, great goals, 90 minutes non stop, even running the entire length of the pitch to find a corner flag to park yourself there. you gotta love SJM .
Post by: mattjpa on August 08, 2019, 10:51:39 AM
I wonder if he has a release clause, and would like to speculate on how big it might be.
I mean this in all seriousness...If we have a release clause of anything less than 100m we are fucking mental. If 80m for McGuire is acceptable this year, what will prices be like in 2years. SJM like Jack is going to make people sit up and take serious notice this year
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 08, 2019, 10:56:04 AM
McGinn could probably do a good job for us up front, anyway. :P
Post by: darren woolley on August 08, 2019, 10:56:41 AM
Post by: Border villan on August 08, 2019, 10:58:00 AM
It's very Aston Villa having a person within the club who all the fans love and who also happens to be Scottish.Alex Cropley, Des Bremner.
Andy Gray certainly, Alan Evans, Alan McInally briefly, Alan Hutton...we did didn't we? especially for that goal. I'm sure Villa fans of yesteryear loved Archie Hunter. There's probably more I know.
SJM gives his all every game and that's what we want to see from a player. Goals, great goals, 90 minutes non stop, even running the entire length of the pitch to find a corner flag to park yourself there. you gotta love SJM .
Post by: not3bad on August 08, 2019, 11:02:48 AM
George RamsayIt's very Aston Villa having a person within the club who all the fans love and who also happens to be Scottish.Alex Cropley, Des Bremner.
Andy Gray certainly, Alan Evans, Alan McInally briefly, Alan Hutton...we did didn't we? especially for that goal. I'm sure Villa fans of yesteryear loved Archie Hunter. There's probably more I know.
SJM gives his all every game and that's what we want to see from a player. Goals, great goals, 90 minutes non stop, even running the entire length of the pitch to find a corner flag to park yourself there. you gotta love SJM .
Post by: The Moose on August 08, 2019, 11:10:37 AM
Post by: Perthvillan on August 08, 2019, 11:16:19 AM
Super John McGinn epitomises everything we are.
It's clear that he loves Villa as much as we love him.
Newton Heath was never in the hunt.
Their time is fast approaching.
Post by: Smirker on August 08, 2019, 11:59:48 AM
Excellent news, good luck for the season John 8)
Post by: danno on August 08, 2019, 12:17:32 PM
John McGinn is my favourite player. I Effing love him.
Post by: rob_bridge on August 08, 2019, 12:40:53 PM
100m to Real Madrid in 2021
Post by: Oscar Arce on August 08, 2019, 01:40:27 PM
Post by: Matt C on August 08, 2019, 01:42:25 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 08, 2019, 02:43:45 PM
Brilliant news.
Post by: Pete3206 on August 08, 2019, 02:48:09 PM
Excellent news.
100m to Real Madrid in 2021
A derisory opening bid if ever I saw one.
Post by: CT Villan on August 08, 2019, 02:54:36 PM
It's very Aston Villa having a person within the club who all the fans love and who also happens to be Scottish.
Andy Gray certainly, Alan Evans, Alan McInally briefly, Alan Hutton...we did didn't we? especially for that goal. I'm sure Villa fans of yesteryear loved Archie Hunter. There's probably more I know.
SJM gives his all every game and that's what we want to see from a player. Goals, great goals, 90 minutes non stop, even running the entire length of the pitch to find a corner flag to park yourself there. you gotta love SJM .
and Ken McNaught
Post by: thick_mike on August 08, 2019, 03:12:34 PM
And Des BremnerIt's very Aston Villa having a person within the club who all the fans love and who also happens to be Scottish.
Andy Gray certainly, Alan Evans, Alan McInally briefly, Alan Hutton...we did didn't we? especially for that goal. I'm sure Villa fans of yesteryear loved Archie Hunter. There's probably more I know.
SJM gives his all every game and that's what we want to see from a player. Goals, great goals, 90 minutes non stop, even running the entire length of the pitch to find a corner flag to park yourself there. you gotta love SJM .
and Ken McNaught
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2019, 03:13:40 PM
Excellent news.
100m to Real Madrid in 2021
Who will we be paying them that much for?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 08, 2019, 03:14:48 PM
I thought I was long past having a favourite player. Far too old and cynical now for that schoolboy hero worship stuff.
John McGinn is my favourite player. I Effing love him.
This.
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2019, 03:16:57 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on August 08, 2019, 03:27:30 PM
Excellent news.
100m to Real Madrid in 2021
Why would he want to leave the Champions League winners to go to Madrid?
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Post by: Pete3206 on August 08, 2019, 10:45:23 PM
I cannot wait
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2019, 04:24:02 AM
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Aston Villa midfielder John McGinn says he laughed off links to Manchester United and that he is delighted to have signed a long-term deal with his current club.
Having helped Villa back to the top flight, McGinn was mentioned as a possible United target in the summer, with Sir
Alex Ferguson reportedly championing him.
However, McGinn was rewarded with a new five-year contract at Villa on Thursday ahead of Saturday's trip to Tottenham
And the Scotland international admitted he was baffled at the United speculation.
"I had a little chuckle at it to be honest," said McGinn. "I'm sure a lot of people did.
"It is up to me to go and prove it is justified. At that point, my whole mindset was on Villa and being successful here.
"I have still got so much left to learn and prove.
"In the environment here I am appreciated. I'm loved and respected by everyone - there is no better feeling. I still have to pinch myself driving in.
"I feel like one of the main players here but I still need to improve and get better.
"To have any speculation lingering about isn't what you want.
"I'm just glad to be settled and to focus on the next five years."
Villa signed 12 new players during pre-season in a spending spree of £130million, including new £22m record buy Wesley from Club Brugge.
Boss Dean Smith has revamped his squad and McGinn knows the jury is out regarding that strategy.
"I am not sure," he said. "There are a lot of new signings.
"A lot of boys have had to get their visas and stuff sorted, get used to the cuisine in Birmingham and the temperature. It took me seven months to get used to it.
"They are nice lads, no egos, I think that is important, with Villa being in the Premier League.
"Speaking to some of the experienced boys they all say Villa had a reputation for bad characters and big egos.
"I don't think we have that now.
"It is an important trait to have for a hard-working club. I think they have recruited well in that sense."
Post by: dicedlam on August 10, 2019, 03:45:48 PM
Great player, absolutely fantastic news that he's staying for many years, alongside Jack and Douglas.
"Phwaay!"
Post by: Smirker on August 10, 2019, 05:44:57 PM
Post by: Smirker on August 10, 2019, 05:46:11 PM
From a Spuds forum :
Worrying about John McGinn, I've seen it all now.
Maybe someone could put this up by his peg in the changing room....
I hope that guy feels daft now.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2019, 05:52:18 PM
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Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 10, 2019, 06:30:11 PM
Post by: colin69 on August 10, 2019, 07:36:50 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2019, 07:48:01 PM
Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
Post by: colin69 on August 10, 2019, 07:53:24 PM
Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.
Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?
Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.
But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
Post by: Border villan on August 10, 2019, 07:56:31 PM
You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.
Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?
Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.
But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
Post by: colin69 on August 10, 2019, 08:00:15 PM
You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.
Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?
Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.
But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
And so am I my friend.
Just an honest opinion.... nothing more, nothing less.
Post by: Border villan on August 10, 2019, 08:02:32 PM
I choose my friends carefully. You are not included.You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.
Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?
Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.
But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
And so am I my friend.
Just an honest opinion.... nothing more, nothing less.
Post by: Smithy on August 10, 2019, 08:04:04 PM
You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.
Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?
Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.
But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
And so am I my friend.
Just an honest opinion.... nothing more, nothing less.
An honest opinion you've put in the post-match thread, the Grealish thread, and now the John McGinn thread. A disinterated party might think you're just interested in having a pop at Grealish, rather than discussing our first game back in the premier league?
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2019, 08:05:45 PM
Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.
Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?
Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.
But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
You’ve been all over the place telling everyone how shit he was. Where was your wise observations on Jack all summer or more season. All of a sudden on the back of an admittedly poor display by his standards, but ONE game nonetheless, you are out here telling us he won’t make it.
Post by: colin69 on August 10, 2019, 08:19:59 PM
I choose my friends carefully. You are not included.You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.
Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?
Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.
But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
And so am I my friend.
Just an honest opinion.... nothing more, nothing less.
Well I won’t lose any sleep over that.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 10, 2019, 08:20:44 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on August 10, 2019, 10:06:52 PM
You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.
Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?
Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.
But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
And so am I my friend.
Just an honest opinion.... nothing more, nothing less.
An honest opinion you've put in the post-match thread, the Grealish thread, and now the John McGinn thread. A disinterated party might think you're just interested in having a pop at Grealish, rather than discussing our first game back in the premier league?
I often share the observation with my clients, the louder we shout, the less we get heard.
Post by: villan from luton on August 10, 2019, 10:25:33 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2019, 11:17:38 PM
Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
One game. Give him a chance. If McGinn had had a poor game (he has in the past) would that mean he’s hopeless? No clearly. If Jack plays every game this year and struggles like that you might have a point. But he won’t and he’ll learn.
Post by: LeeB on August 10, 2019, 11:57:43 PM
You may be watching Villa but the rest of us are supporting them.Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Fucking hell. You have a real hate on for Grealish don’t you? I don’t recall up until this point you ever being on here and having that opinion. Which frankly is utter bollocks.
No I don’t hate him at all. I’m just extremely disappointed with his performance.
Do you really think it was a performance worthy of an England call up?
Like I’ve said, I really want him to prove me wrong and if and when he does I will praise him to the rafters.
But my honest opinion is as a 50 year old watching Villa for a long time is that Conor and SJM makings their PL debuts were much better.
And so am I my friend.
Just an honest opinion.... nothing more, nothing less.
In my opinion, you're chatting shit.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 11, 2019, 12:23:34 AM
Class. He is the future of Aston Villa not Grealish.
Nose alert.
Post by: ROBBO on August 11, 2019, 12:29:18 AM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2019, 04:35:18 AM
Dean needed Marvellous and Doug on the pitch today. Not sure where the Marvellous one was.
He will play a major role this season. As will Doug. Long season mate.
Post by: Drummond on August 11, 2019, 07:25:54 AM
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 11, 2019, 04:02:11 PM
Felt he went a bit AWOL second half along with the rest of the midfield but once again raised his game to yet another level over all.
Post by: Villafirst on August 12, 2019, 06:13:35 AM
Post by: four fornicholl on August 12, 2019, 06:38:11 AM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?Not the draw they once were,
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on August 12, 2019, 08:19:30 AM
Post by: Villafirst on August 12, 2019, 08:33:32 AM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?Not the draw they once were,
Money talks - they're still a big draw, ask Harry Maguire
Post by: Clampy on August 12, 2019, 08:59:56 AM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
No.
Post by: Chris Smith on August 12, 2019, 09:17:19 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on August 12, 2019, 09:32:15 AM
Don't think he's gonna have his beautiful little head turned just yet.
Post by: darren woolley on August 12, 2019, 09:45:40 AM
Post by: danno on August 12, 2019, 09:57:30 AM
A good game for Longstaff next week and the same papers and twitter glory hunters will be carping on about him instead.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 12, 2019, 10:00:14 AM
I don't see this, he's with a group of lads he likes at a club that loves him, playing in one of the best leagues in the world and earning more money that he's ever earned in his life.Agreed, if we stay up and keep progressing he'll be with us for a least two more seasons.
Don't think he's gonna have his beautiful little head turned just yet.
Post by: Villafirst on August 12, 2019, 10:00:46 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 12, 2019, 10:06:40 AM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
When did Utd fans take over from the Glaziers?
Post by: Dogtanian on August 12, 2019, 10:09:31 AM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
When did Utd fans take over from the Glaziers?
;D ;D ;D
Post by: dave shelley on August 12, 2019, 10:52:58 AM
Post by: Risso on August 12, 2019, 10:57:53 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2019, 11:15:12 AM
I have a feeling that our Board will not be a soft touch on this.
Post by: aj2k77 on August 12, 2019, 11:30:17 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on August 12, 2019, 11:31:07 AM
I'm walking with McGinn.
No need to get all Christmassy, it's only August!
Post by: Risso on August 12, 2019, 11:38:17 AM
I think there is a wider consideration. We can not be, or seen to be a club that every time we have an exceptional player we allow arrogant xxxxts like Manure walk up and take them away.
I have a feeling that our Board will not be a soft touch on this.
I agree, but there's being a soft touch, and then there's robbing a club blind like Leicester did with Maguire. I wouldn't sell McGinn for something derisory like £25m, but if they want to pay stupid money then you take it off them and use it to improve the squad massively. I reckon Leicester who appear to be a well run, ambitious club will do well with the money.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2019, 03:08:32 PM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/mrmen/images/7/70/Mr-jelly-5a.png/revision/latest?cb=20180104121201)
It's not an earthquake. It's a leaf falling from a tree. Take a deep breath and count to ten.
Post by: Pete3206 on August 12, 2019, 06:14:04 PM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
So back in my North West purgatory today, I had to endure the absolute twat of a Man U fan who only 2 weeks ago said "Who?" at the mention of McGinn, guffawing at the notion that his club would stump up £50 million to the likes of '"Aston Vanilla" (ho ho, great Manc humour).
Today, not only are Man U going to challenge for the top 4, but McGinn could now be the "final piece in the jigsaw" for a title bid. Next week, It'll be "Ole out!" again.
A colossal bell end
Post by: Dogtanian on August 12, 2019, 06:16:54 PM
Post by: Richard on August 12, 2019, 06:20:25 PM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
So back in my North West purgatory today, I had to endure the absolute twat of a Man U fan who only 2 weeks ago said "Who?" at the mention of McGinn, guffawing at the notion that his club would stump up £50 million to the likes of '"Aston Vanilla" (ho ho, great Manc humour).
Today, not only are Man U going to challenge for the top 4, but McGinn could now be the "final piece in the jigsaw" for a title bid. Next week, It'll be "Ole out!" again.
A colossal bell end
Bellends like most of them ! Theyre the ones I want to beat more than anyone now we're back - even more than Wolves.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 12, 2019, 08:46:43 PM
Post by: Villafirst on August 12, 2019, 10:27:56 PM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
So back in my North West purgatory today, I had to endure the absolute twat of a Man U fan who only 2 weeks ago said "Who?" at the mention of McGinn, guffawing at the notion that his club would stump up £50 million to the likes of '"Aston Vanilla" (ho ho, great Manc humour).
Today, not only are Man U going to challenge for the top 4, but McGinn could now be the "final piece in the jigsaw" for a title bid. Next week, It'll be "Ole out!" again.
A colossal bell end
Just mention the fact their vastly superior bitter rivals are winning trophies galore whilst Yanited scratch around in the Europa League.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 12, 2019, 10:39:44 PM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
So back in my North West purgatory today, I had to endure the absolute twat of a Man U fan who only 2 weeks ago said "Who?" at the mention of McGinn, guffawing at the notion that his club would stump up £50 million to the likes of '"Aston Vanilla" (ho ho, great Manc humour).
Today, not only are Man U going to challenge for the top 4, but McGinn could now be the "final piece in the jigsaw" for a title bid. Next week, It'll be "Ole out!" again.
A colossal bell end
Just mention the fact their vastly superior bitter rivals are winning trophies galore whilst Yanited scratch around in the Europa League.
Indeed, both of them are.
Post by: danno on August 12, 2019, 10:43:08 PM
Complete bollocks of course but so are the links to the second biggest team in Manchester.
Post by: Smirker on August 12, 2019, 10:52:07 PM
I don’t think McGinn would suit Man U tbh. Imagine if he went there and started slicking his hair back and poncing around with gold jewellery and diamond earrings. :-\
He is far too good for them.
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 13, 2019, 10:40:22 AM
Good 5 minute interview on Talksport earlier. Start of the Jim White show
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 13, 2019, 11:02:21 AM
Heard it. He's obviously very happy with us, and gets on very well with Jack. Jim White still looking for us to sell him at the end of the season though: fcuk off Talksport!
Good 5 minute interview on Talksport earlier. Start of the Jim White show
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 13, 2019, 11:08:42 AM
Heard it. He's obviously very happy with us, and gets on very well with Jack. Jim White still looking for us to sell him at the end of the season though: fcuk off Talksport!
Good 5 minute interview on Talksport earlier. Start of the Jim White show
When Jack has a scintillating performance at the weekend they'll switch attention to him.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 13, 2019, 01:41:52 PM
United fans calling for McGinn to be signed after watching him against Spurs. They'd even like United to pay £70m if that what it takes! Another Yorke/ Young situation brewing?
So back in my North West purgatory today, I had to endure the absolute twat of a Man U fan who only 2 weeks ago said "Who?" at the mention of McGinn, guffawing at the notion that his club would stump up £50 million to the likes of '"Aston Vanilla" (ho ho, great Manc humour).
Today, not only are Man U going to challenge for the top 4, but McGinn could now be the "final piece in the jigsaw" for a title bid. Next week, It'll be "Ole out!" again.
A colossal bell end
Bellends like most of them ! Theyre the ones I want to beat more than anyone now we're back - even more than Wolves.
I work 3 days a week in Stockport where in the main they are City. The older supporters are great to talk to as they reminisce about being excited when Shaun Goater signed a contract extension and Paul Dickov signed. They remember where they came from and are a decent bunch. The younger lot have only really known their recent history so can be as obnoxious as the typical United fan.
I agree - want to beat United more than a Villa hating XI of Wolves / Blues / Cov / Bitters
I hate the fuck out of them
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 13, 2019, 02:59:59 PM
I prefer to refer to City as 'Manchester'; it's guaranteed to piss off the Man Utd, gloryhunting, arrogant twats.
Post by: Smirker on August 13, 2019, 05:49:21 PM
It does annoy me when neutrals refer to them as such though, because this simply did not happen before they won the lottery. The informality (?) of it is what gets me.
Post by: purpletrousers on August 13, 2019, 06:08:04 PM
Good 5 minute interview on Talksport earlier. Start of the Jim White show
audio at the top of this, has quotes too
https://talksport.com/football/586741/john-mcginn-aston-villa-never-intending-to-leave-summer-manchester-united/
Post by: Smirker on August 13, 2019, 06:30:26 PM
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 25, 2019, 04:28:12 PM
John McGinn is the sort of person who you'd want to date.
FTFY
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 25, 2019, 04:37:53 PM
John McGinn is the sort of person who you'd want your sister to date.
Love it !
Post by: adrenachrome on August 26, 2019, 03:28:09 PM
Same rules apply, I suppose.
Post by: Damo70 on September 06, 2019, 10:14:34 PM
John McGinn walks on Irn-Bru.
Post by: Steve67 on September 09, 2019, 08:15:33 PM
Post by: CT on September 09, 2019, 09:36:34 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 09, 2019, 09:37:15 PM
4-0 down and they brought him on with 4 minutes left.
And they wonder why they're so shit.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 10, 2019, 03:21:15 PM
4-0 down and they brought him on with 4 minutes left.
I know. How odd . Shame Tshbola isnt scottish , Clark would have him first on the team sheet.
And they wonder why they're so shit.
Post by: TaxDodger on September 10, 2019, 05:01:49 PM
Post by: Chipsticks on September 11, 2019, 12:20:44 PM
" As we enter the first international break this season, it's time to take a look at which players have excelled during the early weeks to book their place in the Power Rankings' Premier League XI...
Aston Villa workhorse John McGinn edges countless superstars for the final spot, scoring and assisting once, in addition to recording chart-topping stats across a raft of defensive metrics. "
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Post by: Risso on September 11, 2019, 12:27:31 PM
John McGinn doesn't make the Scotland team? Seriously?
It's obviously because they're so good, and have a raft of brilliant midfield options.
What's that, they're 48th in the world? Oh.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 11, 2019, 04:20:47 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 11, 2019, 05:07:20 PM
https://youtu.be/ditRx_WQC2I
Post by: CJ on September 11, 2019, 06:54:45 PM
This is quite funny.
https://youtu.be/ditRx_WQC2I
Excellent! 'Meatball McGinn' has a certain ring to it
Post by: Scratchins on September 12, 2019, 08:15:53 AM
This is quite funny.I think that this is the best interview that I have ever seen!
https://youtu.be/ditRx_WQC2I
Post by: mike on September 12, 2019, 07:52:34 PM
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Post by: villabear on September 22, 2019, 08:02:08 AM
John McGinn: ‘I feel I offer something different to other players’
Hard-working midfielder had to wait for a shot at the big time but will fancy his chances of hustling Arsenal today
The thing about Clydebank, says John McGinn, is it sits between Loch Lomond and Glasgow, and that means you can go one of two ways.
You go “posh,” he grins, if you travel west to the loch and the mountains and pretty villages there. Or you go real if you head east into Glasgow. In life, McGinn always goes real. No Louis Vuitton wash bag for him, but one he picked up in a Glasgow store. And his car? He used a Football League scheme for players to purchase his, a Mercedes 4x4 with a towbar. Aston Villa’s squad thinks it is hilarious. They call him Eddie Stobart but, McGinn shrugs, “I’d never drive anything my mum wouldn’t get in to.”
Mum Mary and Stephen, his dad, are teachers and the biggest influences upon a 24-year-old who reeks of hard work and humble values, but the rest of the McGinn clan have shaped him too. It’s a big one. He has “50 or 60 cousins”, all of whom would knock him back down to earth were he ever to say or do anything flash.
His grandad, Jack, was chairman of Celtic and president of the Scottish Football Association and is a patriarch from whom he gets solid guidance. Then there are Stephen and Paul, his professional footballer brothers, and twin sister Katie who “would slap me silly if I ever got carried away,” says a midfielder who interested Manchester United in the summer and is deemed “super” by Jurgen Klopp.
After an article where he was rated at £50m, he was asked how much he would pay for himself and “£5” was his reply. He has not forgotten the periods in his life where being here — a flourishing Premier League newcomer and Villa fans’ and players’ player of the year — was very far away. An early hurdle arose when his school, St Peter the Apostle High, had no teacher to take the football team. Mary, who taught there and coached ladies’ netball, stepped in: “It was murder!”
When an SFA rule forbade youngsters playing schools football and for a professional club youth team, and John was at St Mirren’s academy, Mary intervened again. “She gave St Mirren an ultimatum — he either plays for his school and nobody or his school and you. We won the Scottish Schools Cup that year.”
Clydebank itself “presents its own challenges,” he reflects. “There was loads of football played. It’s all you really know from there. It was a brilliant place but the temptations of drink are common.
At 15, 16, I’d be street-walking with pals. We’d go up the hill and I’d have my Capri Sun — they’d have Mad Dog [nickname for a fortified wine popular in the west of Scotland]. I was always driven to be a player and had training three or four nights a week, nothing was going to stop me. I had good people round me — even if they were on the Mad Dog,” he laughs.
He has a social conscience and still supports initiatives in Edinburgh, where he played for Hibs, while being an enthusiastic participant in Villa’s community work, and Scotland’s problematic relationship with alcohol troubles him. “Don’t get me wrong, I like a beer from time to time,” he says, “but [at 15] that was a point where it’s easy to get sucked in. Everyone says, ‘Oh, if I hadnae turned to drink...’ It’s so easy in places like Clydebank. And there are a lot worse places in the Glasgow area where it’s even easier to get dragged in.” He hopes Scottish initiatives to tackle the problem work.
St Mirren was a testing but valuable breeding ground. McGinn captained the Under-19s and was charged by fellow players with asking youth head David Longwell to relent. “Everything was old school. We picked litter and cleaned the changing room,” McGinn recalls. “Two or three gym sessions a day. I’d have to ask [Longwell] can the boys go home and he’d say ‘go and do another session’.
“Looking back he was doing it for our benefit, making stuff up to keep us there after 5pm, and keep us out of trouble.” His progress took off when a coach, Tommy Craig, converted him to a midfielder. He helped St Mirren win the League Cup and was player of the year. The next campaign (2014-15) is the one he always reaches back to for perspective.
St Mirren changed managers, overhauled their squad, and he decided against extending his contract. He felt the pressure of being the young talisman, and the team struggled — ultimately going down. His future was uncertain, no top-flight Scottish club willing to pay the £250,000 compensation required.
Then, weeks before becoming a free agent, McGinn suffered serious injury in a training prank — St Mirren captain Steven Thompson speared him with a sharpened pole. It plunged into McGinn’s thigh. “It was a millimetre from the femoral artery. Mentally I struggled. It was a complete accident and there were no hard feelings but the fact I was so close to dying... the surgeon showed me the path of [the pole] and it was 7.7cm deep, somehow avoiding the artery. [Had it not] I’d have bled out in minutes, he said.”
That incident felt “like the icing on the cake. Getting relegated was hard early in my career and I thought the world was against me. Nobody — I mean nobody — would pay the compensation fee for me. And it got to the stage, even St Mirren supporters would agree, I was rubbish.”
He felt even sorrier for himself when red tape thwarted a move to Houston Dynamo in the MLS, then a transfer to Dundee United collapsed — United preferring to sign a Dutch nonentity, Rodney Sneijder, instead. His last option was Hibs, in the Scottish Championship, but moving there proved transformative — and look at him now, Villa’s best player this season, scorer of last year’s Championship Goal of the Season and the “£170m goal” that earned Villa promotion via the playoff final at Wembley.
Dean Smith, Villa’s manager, has unlocked creative and penetrative aspects of his game — moving him upfield to play as an attacking No 8 alongside Jack Grealish. “I feel I offer something different to other players,” he says. “I can hustle and bustle. [In Scotland] what frustrated me, and my dad and grandad, was the impression I was just a rat, a runner. Coming here I’ve proved I can play.”
Villa have big ambitions (“everywhere you look there’s building work”) but know their priority — survival. At games are a regular stream of McGinn guests — his parents, his pals and Mikey, a young leukaemia sufferer he befriended visiting Edinburgh Sick Children’s Hospital and who FaceTimes him daily.
Grealish is a close buddy. “We’re similar age and like similar things,” McGinn says. He considers Grealish’s pin-up boy status and is modest to the last. “We’re different looks-wise but I suppose we’re probably a 12 out of 20 together…”
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 22, 2019, 08:51:16 AM
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Post by: SoccerHQ on September 22, 2019, 11:07:50 AM
Watching the Wolves match and im hearing that they have stolen the John McGinn song and using it for Ruben Neves i think it was, it was sort of half hearted singing so couldn't quite hear but think it was Neves lol
They were chanting that before we even signed SJM.
Post by: supertom on September 22, 2019, 11:34:17 AM
This lad will go a long way. I really hope we've got a few more years to come with McGinn running our midfield. If I look at things right now though, I worry about him getting poached way more than anyone else in the side.
Post by: Dogtanian on September 23, 2019, 08:53:54 AM
Love him.
Post by: Axl Rose on September 23, 2019, 08:55:06 AM
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Post by: brontebilly on September 23, 2019, 09:09:59 AM
He was fucking great again, yesterday. Very unlucky to be on the losing side.
Not managing his stamina though and it's a problem. Wish the likes of AEG or Wesley could watch and learn how to press an opponent like McGinn.
Post by: Luke8 on September 23, 2019, 09:25:26 AM
massive bids incoming in January?
No chance in January, I would reckon. Guaranteed to start every week with us and just signed a brand new contract.
End of the season might be a different matter depending on how we do though.
Post by: Drummond on September 23, 2019, 11:23:28 AM
massive bids incoming in January?
The pink elephant smiles in the moonlight.
Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2019, 01:04:43 PM
massive bids incoming in January?
I doubt it. You have to laugh sometimes.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 23, 2019, 01:46:06 PM
Post by: Luke8 on September 23, 2019, 01:50:00 PM
None of them will be going anywhere in January though.
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 23, 2019, 03:02:18 PM
He's took to the PL like the proverbial duck to water. Doesn't look fazed by it at all.
It's absolutely certain bigger clubs will already be watching him. Klopp commented on how good a player he was just last week.
It's up to us to be a better team to keep him happy where he is.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 25, 2019, 03:28:39 PM
fuck off u c'##t . why the fuck are you such an expert who gives a shit what you say.
£75 million and throw Greenwood in and will do it
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 25, 2019, 03:49:24 PM
I'd be surprised if clubs further up the current food chain weren't keeping an eye on him.
True which is why it's nonsense that McGinn would consider an half arsed club like Man Utd.
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 25, 2019, 06:55:45 PM
He is hot property.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 25, 2019, 11:47:29 PM
so that c##t Noel Whelan is telling the media Manure are looking at buying SJM in January .
fuck off u c'##t . why the fuck are you such an expert who gives a shit what you say.
£75 million and throw Greenwood in and will do it
Yes, I'm pretty sure Man United run most of their potential transfer business by forgotten former journeymen strikers who now work for Radio Leeds.
If Noel "not as good as Glen" Whelan says it's true, it's likely true. Just need Darren Gough to 100% confirm it.
Post by: Bobby Boy on September 29, 2019, 11:31:23 AM
I can't think of a Villa player I've enjoyed watching so much in 20 or 30 years or so. He's exactly what you'd hope a Villa player could be.
Just got to ward off the vultures who will certainly be circling.
Post by: Risso on September 29, 2019, 11:45:48 AM
Post by: oldhill_avfc on September 29, 2019, 11:51:55 AM
Fading in the 2nd half has been a bit of theme with him - maybe he goes to hard and doesn't pace himself?
Currently not as good as Milner at his peak for me, but if he carries on improving he'll get there
Post by: richtheholtender on September 29, 2019, 12:00:16 PM
Post by: Dazvillain on September 29, 2019, 12:20:16 PM
All players have a shelf life, but I just can’t get my head around him ever playing for anyone else !!
Post by: Monty on September 29, 2019, 12:32:54 PM
He’s like a better James Milner.
Yes, or a harder-working Delph. His close control getting out of tight spots is unbelievable.
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 29, 2019, 07:52:15 PM
Got to be worth 75m already going on his performances so far this season. Our most valuable and important player for god knows how long.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 29, 2019, 08:23:05 PM
Post by: Brassneck on September 29, 2019, 08:26:35 PM
Post by: Billy Walker on September 29, 2019, 08:58:21 PM
The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable. He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player. He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot. If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.
Assuming (fingers crossed) we stay up, why will it be hard for us to keep hold of him? We're not run by Doug or Randy any more.
Post by: frank black on September 29, 2019, 09:10:27 PM
The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable. He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player. He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot. If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.
Assuming (fingers crossed) we stay up, why will it be hard for us to keep hold of him? We're not run by Doug or Randy any more.
Depends on who’s interested I guess.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 29, 2019, 09:16:17 PM
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Post by: Brassneck on September 30, 2019, 12:47:57 AM
The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable. He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player. He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot. If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.
Assuming (fingers crossed) we stay up, why will it be hard for us to keep hold of him? We're not run by Doug or Randy any more.
It doesn't matter who you're run by - If a top 4 side come knocking, it's hard to keep a player.
And you're being very unfair on Doug & possibly Randy. I don't think either wanted to sell our best players.
Post by: danno on September 30, 2019, 12:58:52 AM
He's here, he's awesome, any bid in January would have to be ridiculous considering staying in prem for one season is worth £100 million.
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on September 30, 2019, 07:59:16 AM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on September 30, 2019, 08:03:16 AM
Is this what it's going to be like every time he scores a goal? Oh no Liverpool might buy him... ::) Wasn't it Mings to Man City last week?
He's here, he's awesome, any bid in January would have to be ridiculous considering staying in prem for one season is worth £100 million.
Well said.
Post by: walsall villain on September 30, 2019, 08:45:24 AM
The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable. He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player. He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot. If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.Can’t recall many clubs letting their key players go in January. Not a chance of mcginn going then
Post by: Drummond on September 30, 2019, 09:04:38 AM
We're trying to build something here, not dismantle it. Look at what our owners did with Grealish when Spurs were almost there for proof of what they'll do.
Post by: darren woolley on September 30, 2019, 09:28:27 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 30, 2019, 09:32:34 AM
We don't have to sell anybody regardless of how much another club wants any of our players.
Post by: paul_e on September 30, 2019, 10:49:05 AM
Post by: Brassneck on September 30, 2019, 10:49:55 AM
We can't help ourselves can we? As soon as any of our players start showing decent form they will be off in the next transfer window. I'm amazed that Grealish lasted at least 6 windows.
We don't have to sell anybody regardless of how much another club wants any of our players.
And we can't help ourselves adding a bit of drama to our posts either can we?
Nobody said he would be off - I said that if he continues in this form, it will be difficult to keep him.
It isn't a case of not needing to sell (we didn't need to sell Yorke, Young, Milner etc). The issue is that if a top 4 club came knocking, the difficulty is standing in the players way, convincing him to stay for another year to see if we improve. We got away with Jack because Spurs didn't put an acceptable offer in - Had one been received, the chances are that Jack would have gone.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 30, 2019, 11:03:22 AM
We can't help ourselves can we? As soon as any of our players start showing decent form they will be off in the next transfer window. I'm amazed that Grealish lasted at least 6 windows.
We don't have to sell anybody regardless of how much another club wants any of our players.
And we can't help ourselves adding a bit of drama to our posts either can we?
Nobody said he would be off - I said that if he continues in this form, it will be difficult to keep him.
It isn't a case of not needing to sell (we didn't need to sell Yorke, Young, Milner etc). The issue is that if a top 4 club came knocking, the difficulty is standing in the players way, convincing him to stay for another year to see if we improve. We got away with Jack because Spurs didn't put an acceptable offer in - Had one been received, the chances are that Jack would have gone.
Every player has a price. Jack's was £35 Million. We didn't get it so we didn't sell. Now we're in a totally different position but it will still be difficult to keep the likes of McGinn just because he plays great in every game? That doesn't make any sense at all.
And how come this only applies to us and not every club below Man City and Liverpool?
Post by: Risso on September 30, 2019, 11:14:11 AM
Post by: LeeB on September 30, 2019, 11:22:26 AM
I've no worries about McGinn leaving. I can't see him fitting into a Liverpool or Man City team, and Spurs seem blessed with a few central midfielders. Man U might fancy him, but seeing as they're struggling to reach the top 6, why would you bother. We need to build the team around the spine of Mings, Grealish and McGinn, and make sure that as many of the other players as possible are on their level, especially up front. McGinn's goals should be an added bonus, not our main hope of staying up.
I can't see him leaving either, but I'd contend that he would be brilliant in that Liverpool team.
Post by: Brassneck on September 30, 2019, 12:08:06 PM
We can't help ourselves can we? As soon as any of our players start showing decent form they will be off in the next transfer window. I'm amazed that Grealish lasted at least 6 windows.
We don't have to sell anybody regardless of how much another club wants any of our players.
And we can't help ourselves adding a bit of drama to our posts either can we?
Nobody said he would be off - I said that if he continues in this form, it will be difficult to keep him.
It isn't a case of not needing to sell (we didn't need to sell Yorke, Young, Milner etc). The issue is that if a top 4 club came knocking, the difficulty is standing in the players way, convincing him to stay for another year to see if we improve. We got away with Jack because Spurs didn't put an acceptable offer in - Had one been received, the chances are that Jack would have gone.
Every player has a price. Jack's was £35 Million. We didn't get it so we didn't sell. Now we're in a totally different position but it will still be difficult to keep the likes of McGinn just because he plays great in every game? That doesn't make any sense at all.
And how come this only applies to us and not every club below Man City and Liverpool?
There you are being a drama queen again to add value to your argument. I didn't say just because he plays well, it will be difficult to keep him. I said if he carries on as he has in the past 7 games which is a damn sight better than just playing well. With the same goals to game ratio, he'll finish with around 17 goals. It makes perfect sense to me that better teams will be looking.
I didn't say it only applies to us either - That is just something else you added for value.
Post by: LukeJames on September 30, 2019, 12:31:30 PM
The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable. He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player. He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot. If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.
Assuming (fingers crossed) we stay up, why will it be hard for us to keep hold of him? We're not run by Doug or Randy any more.
It doesn't matter who you're run by - If a top 4 side come knocking, it's hard to keep a player.
Not under these owners, we turned down a 'top 4 club' when they came in for Grealish when we were a Championship team.
Post by: Risso on September 30, 2019, 12:40:09 PM
The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable. He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player. He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot. If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.
Assuming (fingers crossed) we stay up, why will it be hard for us to keep hold of him? We're not run by Doug or Randy any more.
It doesn't matter who you're run by - If a top 4 side come knocking, it's hard to keep a player.
Not under these owners, we turned down a 'top 4 club' when they came in for Grealish when we were a Championship team.
I think that was when they offered £3.50, some old Green Shield stamps and Onomah though. When they realised how rich our new guys were they realised they couldn't afford him.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 30, 2019, 01:36:30 PM
We can't help ourselves can we? As soon as any of our players start showing decent form they will be off in the next transfer window. I'm amazed that Grealish lasted at least 6 windows.
We don't have to sell anybody regardless of how much another club wants any of our players.
And we can't help ourselves adding a bit of drama to our posts either can we?
Nobody said he would be off - I said that if he continues in this form, it will be difficult to keep him.
It isn't a case of not needing to sell (we didn't need to sell Yorke, Young, Milner etc). The issue is that if a top 4 club came knocking, the difficulty is standing in the players way, convincing him to stay for another year to see if we improve. We got away with Jack because Spurs didn't put an acceptable offer in - Had one been received, the chances are that Jack would have gone.
Every player has a price. Jack's was £35 Million. We didn't get it so we didn't sell. Now we're in a totally different position but it will still be difficult to keep the likes of McGinn just because he plays great in every game? That doesn't make any sense at all.
And how come this only applies to us and not every club below Man City and Liverpool?
There you are being a drama queen again to add value to your argument. I didn't say just because he plays well, it will be difficult to keep him. I said if he carries on as he has in the past 7 games which is a damn sight better than just playing well. With the same goals to game ratio, he'll finish with around 17 goals. It makes perfect sense to me that better teams will be looking.
I didn't say it only applies to us either - That is just something else you added for value.
I'm the one saying he isn't going anywhere and your the one worrying about a possible hypothetical situation concerning one of our players and I'm the drama queen? I'd leave it there if I were you.
Post by: Villafirst on September 30, 2019, 01:42:34 PM
The improvement he's made in the past 12 months is quite remarkable. He was a steal from Hibs once he became an established Championship player. He's put 7 PL performances in on the bounce which have been to drawer with goals to boot. If this carries on, it's going to be very hard to keep hold of him next summer, if not January.
Assuming (fingers crossed) we stay up, why will it be hard for us to keep hold of him? We're not run by Doug or Randy any more.
It doesn't matter who you're run by - If a top 4 side come knocking, it's hard to keep a player.
Not under these owners, we turned down a 'top 4 club' when they came in for Grealish when we were a Championship team.
Our owners don't need their money. Far richer than most of the Premier League owners! Interesting to see Fosun losing £1 billion through the collapse of Thomas Cook. Wolves might see a tightening of their spending power.
Post by: Villa75 on September 30, 2019, 01:48:24 PM
The only way he'd leave, any time soon, is if we got relegated.
Post by: Dogtanian on September 30, 2019, 03:56:33 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 30, 2019, 05:53:02 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/sep/30/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-weekend-action
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on September 30, 2019, 06:13:02 PM
Post by: JJ-AV on September 30, 2019, 06:59:52 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on October 01, 2019, 05:57:51 PM
Fcuk off!!
Post by: Villan For Life on October 01, 2019, 06:01:23 PM
Our Franksy's stirring it on the radio at the moment about selling him.
Fcuk off!!
Don’t worry only Dingles, Noses and Olbiyun fans listen. If they clubbed together they still couldn’t afford him.
Post by: Villa Lew on October 01, 2019, 06:08:42 PM
Our Franksy's stirring it on the radio at the moment about selling him.
Fcuk off!!
Don’t worry only Dingles, Noses and Olbiyun fans listen. If they clubbed together they still couldn’t afford him.
They couldn't even afford his big toe!
Post by: villabear on October 02, 2019, 04:03:35 PM
John McGinn is everything Aston Villa fans could want from a midfielder
Scotland international scored the goal that took Villa to the Premier League. His performances could keep them there
By Martin Laurence
The promoted clubs find themselves in the bottom half of the Premier League after seven matches, but all three have shown that they will be competitive in the top flight. Sheffield United have made the brightest start – they are up in 12th place, just a point below Manchester United – while Norwich City and Aston Villa are sitting in 17th and 18th, either side of the relegation line, as they prepare to meet at Carrow Road on Saturday.
A number of players have impressed for the Blades and Canaries, but Villa have been much more reliant on the performances of a single player. Before the season began, most football fans would have expected that player to be Jack Grealish, whose return from injury last season inspired Villa to a historic 10-match winning streak. The academy graduate was the heartbeat of the side’s sprint to promotion, but the team’s other midfielder, John McGinn, was the star in the play-off final against Derby, scoring the winning goal and picking up the man of the match award at Wembley.
“Super” John joined “Super” Jack at Villa in the summer of 2018 and fans quickly fell head over heels. The former Hibs man is the sort of player who is impossible not to love and the perfect embodiment of what people mean when they speak about a player being a “dream” for a manager. He almost literally runs himself into the ground; his unnatural running style is instantly recognisable, with the 24-year old seemingly getting closer and closer to the turf with every endless yard he travels. Yet he somehow stays on his feet, even when under pressure, and almost always alleviates any pressure his side are facing.
McGinn doesn’t look like a modern footballer, nor does he care. The Scotland international is more than happy to poke fun at his teammates and himself. He has won over the Villa fanbase and the dressing room as a result, building a close friendship with the Grealish, who certainly fits the mould of the image-conscious Premier League player.
McGinn, in contrast to his elegant midfield partner, is a hunched ball of energy whose sheer determination on the pitch has earned him a place among the elite. He has stepped up to the Premier League comfortably. McGinn scored his third goal of the season in Villa’s 2-2 draw against Burnley last Saturday, making him the club’s top joint scorer in the league so far.
It was the third time this season that Villa have dropped points from a winning position and McGinn has scored in all three of those games. He will be delighted with his own start to the campaign, even if his performances have not yet been rewarded by results. He was Villa’s standout players against Burnley, picking up his fourth man of the match award in the club’s seven league games so far this season. For context, no other player in the league has won more than two man of the match awards.
When Villa are lacking ideas – which has happened more often than Dean Smith would have liked this season – McGinn will fire off a shot from distance or embark on a burrowing run that gets the fans off their feet and behind the team. He is a unifying figure who brings the players and supporters together at Villa Park.
At a time when specialist roles have become prominent in midfield, McGinn is a welcome throwback. He does everything and, even if he does not look the most cultured, his effectiveness cannot be questioned. He has taken more shots (21), made more tackles (23) and completed more dribbles (16) than any of his teammates. Those statistics stand up across the league; he ranks sixth for shots, 10th for tackles and 11th for dribbles in the entire division. On top of that, only Grealish (28) and Wilfried Zaha (24) have been fouled more times than McGinn (23).
Such busy, complete performances will not go unnoticed. There were tentative links with Manchester United over the summer, which were laughed off by some at the time but look increasingly logical now. Brendan Rodgers is also a big fan, having been desperate to sign the midfielder when he was Celtic manager. It was reported at the time that Celtic would not stump up an asking price in the region of £2m. Their loss was Villa’s gain. As far as Villa are concerned, McGinn is the signing of the century so far. He scored the goal that took the club back to the Premier League and his ability to impact games will be crucial if they are to stay there.
Can they not print such lies. He's rubbish and no one should buy him.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on October 04, 2019, 03:54:18 PM
Voting on the September prize, sponsored by EA SPORTS, is now open.
McGinn has been sensational this month, continuing his brilliant form with goals against Burnley and Arsenal.
He is one of eight top-flight players up for the gong.
His competition includes:
- Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool)
- Pierre Emerick-Aubameyang (Arsenal)
- Kevin De Bruyne (Man City)
- Riyad Mahrez (Man City)
- Son Heung-min (Tottenham)
- Ricardo Pereira (Leicester City)
- Callum Wilson (Bournemouth)
You can VOTE NOW.
It closes at 6pm on Monday.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/10/04/john-mcginn-up-for-september-award
Post by: dave shelley on October 04, 2019, 05:57:22 PM
Post by: Villa Lew on October 05, 2019, 05:14:27 PM
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Post by: Mister E on October 06, 2019, 11:06:47 AM
His turn to skin leitner in the first half was absolutely filthy, scholes-esque. Wish I could find a better clip of it.Indeed it was. I thought he had a quiet game ... but pretty much everything he did was done well.
Post by: Ads on October 06, 2019, 11:08:22 AM
Post by: Risso on October 06, 2019, 12:17:28 PM
Post by: dave shelley on October 06, 2019, 12:22:51 PM
That little step over bit of skill he did in the second half to get past a Norwich player was sensational.
That had me drooling, sublime skill.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 06, 2019, 02:17:17 PM
https://twitter.com/andyvillain1212/status/1180602703099023372?s=12
Post by: LukeJames on October 06, 2019, 02:24:20 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 06, 2019, 02:26:19 PM
He went quiet second half, but first half he ran the show.
Similar story over the last few games. Can't think why other than instructions from Dean Smith. Jack normally comes to life second half but yesterday he was a 90 minuter.
Post by: in exile on October 07, 2019, 12:11:34 PM
...if I tried that with my left foot I'd end up fouling myself.
Dirrty boy
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 07, 2019, 01:36:22 PM
With his weak foot aswell, if I tried that with my left foot I'd end up fouling myself.
And me - but not in a football sense :(
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 07, 2019, 04:04:03 PM
The absolute king.
Post by: kieron on October 13, 2019, 06:53:38 PM
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Post by: Bad English on October 13, 2019, 07:09:38 PM
A Scotland hat trick for Mr McGinn this evening.Yes, but can he do it in Andorra-la-Vella on a cold winter night?
Post by: Villafirst on October 13, 2019, 07:11:09 PM
Post by: LukeJames on October 13, 2019, 07:27:27 PM
Post by: Damo70 on October 13, 2019, 07:54:02 PM
A Scotland hat trick for Mr McGinn this evening.Yes, but can he do it in Andorra-la-Vella on a cold winter night?
He did it today on a pitch that looked like the set of Singin' In The Rain.
Post by: Bad English on October 13, 2019, 08:21:45 PM
Post by: Mellin on October 13, 2019, 08:25:26 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 13, 2019, 08:44:29 PM
I'm really, really going to miss him.
It's ok, he'll be back by Tuesday.
Post by: olaftab on October 13, 2019, 08:50:18 PM
Post by: Villafirst on October 13, 2019, 09:37:37 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on October 13, 2019, 09:45:59 PM
I see Man Utd fans clamouring for SJM's signature according to the B'ham Mail. Will we be able to fend them off??
I’m not sure McGinn’s head is easily turned to be honest. Not because I am biased about Villa, but because of everything we see and hear about the man. He does appear to be very grounded, to the point the other players take the piss out of his boring normal car, so I can’t see him rushing out the door for a few extra million a year somewhere else.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure if he felt he had to move to continue to progress and a club that could offer him a bigger challenge came in then he would be sensible and go. But I don’t see that being Man United in the next twelve months.
Post by: olaftab on October 13, 2019, 09:47:08 PM
Post by: KevinGage on October 13, 2019, 09:54:57 PM
I see Man Utd fans clamouring for SJM's signature according to the B'ham Mail. Will we be able to fend them off??
With a spade and Molotov cocktails would be my preferred method.
Post by: thick_mike on October 13, 2019, 09:57:17 PM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 13, 2019, 10:07:35 PM
Post by: Risso on October 13, 2019, 10:08:28 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on October 13, 2019, 10:33:00 PM
Look it's great he got a hat-trick in an international but even SHA's reserves could beat San Marina.
Have we ever had a player who scored an international hat-trick before? Struggling to think of one.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 13, 2019, 10:36:35 PM
Post by: Bad English on October 13, 2019, 10:46:11 PM
Wikipedia: The first players to score a hat-trick for England were Howard Vaughton and Arthur Alfred Brown, both Aston Villa players; in a friendly match against Ireland in 1882, they scored nine goals between them.Look it's great he got a hat-trick in an international but even SHA's reserves could beat San Marina.
Have we ever had a player who scored an international hat-trick before? Struggling to think of one.
Post by: Billy Walker on October 13, 2019, 11:28:53 PM
I see Man Utd fans clamouring for SJM's signature according to the B'ham Mail. Will we be able to fend them off??
Yep, no problem.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 13, 2019, 11:55:07 PM
Wikipedia: The first players to score a hat-trick for England were Howard Vaughton and Arthur Alfred Brown, both Aston Villa players; in a friendly match against Ireland in 1882, they scored nine goals between them.Look it's great he got a hat-trick in an international but even SHA's reserves could beat San Marina.
Have we ever had a player who scored an international hat-trick before? Struggling to think of one.
Fred Wheldon and Albert Allen also scored hat-tricks for England, all four were against pre-partition Ireland. Unless I've missed one, we don't seem to have had an international hat-trick scorer since Queen Victoria died. Until today, obviously.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 14, 2019, 12:11:57 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 14, 2019, 12:20:08 AM
Wikipedia: The first players to score a hat-trick for England were Howard Vaughton and Arthur Alfred Brown, both Aston Villa players; in a friendly match against Ireland in 1882, they scored nine goals between them.Look it's great he got a hat-trick in an international but even SHA's reserves could beat San Marina.
Have we ever had a player who scored an international hat-trick before? Struggling to think of one.
Fred Wheldon and Albert Allen also scored hat-tricks for England, all four were against pre-partition Ireland. Unless I've missed one, we don't seem to have had an international hat-trick scorer since Queen Victoria died. Until today, obviously.
Historians F.C.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 14, 2019, 12:24:24 AM
8-1 Faroe Islands, 6/10/96. Savo scored a hat-trick.
I thought earlier I'll check if Savo got one, then forgot about him. D'oh.
Post by: The Edge on October 14, 2019, 08:02:28 AM
Man United can fuck off and so can the trolling Evening Mail.Well said on both counts. BM is supposed to be a local paper supporting local clubs so why are they instigating this story? Probably got MU supporting journos in their ranks. Fuck the BM and fuck MU.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on October 14, 2019, 08:28:08 AM
Post by: The Edge on October 14, 2019, 08:46:52 AM
The BM stopped being a local paper years ago when it was taken over by the mirror group, hence its love of all things manchester.I did not know that but now i do it makes perfect sense. But they should stop using the name Birmingham in it's title when it's clear they do not have this city's best interests at heart.
Post by: UK Redsox on October 14, 2019, 09:29:43 AM
Man United can fuck off and so can the trolling Evening Mail.Well said on both counts. BM is supposed to be a local paper supporting local clubs so why are they instigating this story? Probably got MU supporting journos in their ranks. Fuck the BM and fuck MU.
Surely newspapers should be reporting rather than supporting, unless it's a paid-for advertising feature
Post by: darren woolley on October 14, 2019, 09:41:26 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 14, 2019, 10:07:14 AM
Man United can fuck off and so can the trolling Evening Mail.Well said on both counts. BM is supposed to be a local paper supporting local clubs so why are they instigating this story? Probably got MU supporting journos in their ranks. Fuck the BM and fuck MU.
Surely newspapers should be reporting rather than supporting, unless it's a paid-for advertising feature
It's not the lack of support I object to, it's more the general going out of their way to annoy Villa fans with non-stories and blatant trolling. Example would be when they interviewed an ex-Liverpool player who had never played for any of our local clubs. It may have been Whelan, I forget. The gist of the article was: why Villa should sell their best player to Liverpool.
Can you imagine the Liverpool Echo running an interview with Dennis Wise trying to undermine Liverpool and saying that Gerrard should sign for Chelsea?
Post by: The Edge on October 14, 2019, 10:17:37 AM
But they are not supporting or reporting. They are actively creating a story from nothing which could easily upset McGinns form and that of the team. The local team.Man United can fuck off and so can the trolling Evening Mail.Well said on both counts. BM is supposed to be a local paper supporting local clubs so why are they instigating this story? Probably got MU supporting journos in their ranks. Fuck the BM and fuck MU.
Surely newspapers should be reporting rather than supporting, unless it's a paid-for advertising feature
Post by: Dogtanian on October 14, 2019, 10:40:02 AM
Their webpages too are the biggest pile of badly designed crap too, they remind of the mid-90s internet where everything took an age to load and then froze up.
Videos playing everywhere, adverts and more clickbait interspersed with the actual ‘article’, it’s pathetic tbh.
Post by: UK Redsox on October 14, 2019, 11:02:38 AM
It’s just blatant click-bait and they re-use the stories across their multiple newspaper sites, Birmingham, Manchester, Bristol, etc.
Their webpages too are the biggest pile of badly designed crap too, they remind of the mid-90s internet where everything took an age to load and then froze up.
Videos playing everywhere, adverts and more clickbait interspersed with the actual ‘article’, it’s pathetic tbh.
I think that they're part of the same group (Reach) as the former Gloucester Citizen / Cheltenham Echo sites, now rebranded as 'Gloucestershire Live'
The site is pretty pathetic, especially their OTT panic weather reporting. I'm continually taking the piss on their Facebook page, which has somehow earned me Top Fan status :)
Dave Gorman did an interesting feature on such apparently local but not actually local news sites on 'Modern Life is Goodish'.
Post by: The Edge on October 14, 2019, 11:45:38 AM
Ah yes. One of my favourite tv shows. You can only get it on Dave nowadays.It’s just blatant click-bait and they re-use the stories across their multiple newspaper sites, Birmingham, Manchester, Bristol, etc.
Their webpages too are the biggest pile of badly designed crap too, they remind of the mid-90s internet where everything took an age to load and then froze up.
Videos playing everywhere, adverts and more clickbait interspersed with the actual ‘article’, it’s pathetic tbh.
I think that they're part of the same group (Reach) as the former Gloucester Citizen / Cheltenham Echo sites, now rebranded as 'Gloucestershire Live'
The site is pretty pathetic, especially their OTT panic weather reporting. I'm continually taking the piss on their Facebook page, which has somehow earned me Top Fan status :)
Dave Gorman did an interesting feature on such apparently local but not actually local news sites on 'Modern Life is Goodish'.
Post by: Drummond on October 14, 2019, 02:51:18 PM
Post by: brian green on October 14, 2019, 05:39:20 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 14, 2019, 06:20:13 PM
Post by: Villafirst on October 15, 2019, 09:58:05 AM
Post by: Drummond on October 15, 2019, 10:52:38 AM
Now Alan Brazil saying SJM would be a perfect fit for Man Utd. Also, he was gutted that Celtic didn't sign him last year.
I don't give a fuck what Brazil says.
Now we're starting to build a squad that's being talked about. Mings, McGinn and Grealish all rumoured to be coveted by other sides, Nakamba and Engels doing brilliantly too. I suspect Wesley will bang in a few more and be linked with a move too come the summer.
The great thing is, we don't need to sell.
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 15, 2019, 11:05:09 AM
Now Alan Brazil saying SJM would be a perfect fit for Man Utd. Also, he was gutted that Celtic didn't sign him last year.Alan dough boy Brazil in negative comment about Villa shock.
Post by: LeeB on October 15, 2019, 11:14:32 AM
Now Alan Brazil saying SJM would be a perfect fit for Man Utd. Also, he was gutted that Celtic didn't sign him last year.Alan dough boy Brazil in negative comment about Villa shock.
Alan Brazil can suck my hairy sack, and if I dipped it it champagne he probably would, the fat jakey prick.
Post by: KRS on October 15, 2019, 11:19:33 AM
Oh yeah...and Alan Brazil can fuck right off.
Post by: Drummond on October 15, 2019, 11:45:26 AM
There are a lot of players that would improve Man Utd’s midfield at the moment. It was actually quite funny watching SSN select the best XI from the Man Utd and Liverpool squads yesterday with not a single Man Utd player being picked.
Oh yeah...and Alan Brazil can fuck right off.
You mean that ex-Leeds and ex-Man City player and all round cock Danny Mills picked?
Post by: KRS on October 15, 2019, 12:13:39 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 15, 2019, 01:06:57 PM
Post by: paul_e on October 15, 2019, 01:22:48 PM
Now Alan Brazil saying SJM would be a perfect fit for Man Utd. Also, he was gutted that Celtic didn't sign him last year.
I don't give a fuck what Brazil says.
Now we're starting to build a squad that's being talked about. Mings, McGinn and Grealish all rumoured to be coveted by other sides, Nakamba and Engels doing brilliantly too. I suspect Wesley will bang in a few more and be linked with a move too come the summer.
The great thing is, we don't need to sell.
Agree with all that and I suspect Guilbert will be linked as well because I'd rank him as our 2nd best player this year so far (after McGinn) and he is exactly what teams want in a modern fullback.
4 of those are truly inspired signings, McGinn, Guilbert, Nakamba and Engles for less than £20m is some of the best spending the club as ever done, they're over £100m in market value right now.
Post by: hipkiss92 on October 15, 2019, 02:05:32 PM
Now Alan Brazil saying SJM would be a perfect fit for Man Utd. Also, he was gutted that Celtic didn't sign him last year.
I don't give a fuck what Brazil says.
Now we're starting to build a squad that's being talked about. Mings, McGinn and Grealish all rumoured to be coveted by other sides, Nakamba and Engels doing brilliantly too. I suspect Wesley will bang in a few more and be linked with a move too come the summer.
The great thing is, we don't need to sell.
Agree with all that and I suspect Guilbert will be linked as well because I'd rank him as our 2nd best player this year so far (after McGinn) and he is exactly what teams want in a modern fullback.
4 of those are truly inspired signings, McGinn, Guilbert, Nakamba and Engles for less than £20m is some of the best spending the club as ever done, they're over £100m in market value right now.
Early days still, but the benchmark would be SGT bringing in McGrath, Platt and Yorke for peanuts.
Post by: Dogtanian on October 15, 2019, 02:08:26 PM
Early days still, but the benchmark would be SGT bringing in McGrath, Platt and Yorke for peanuts.
What a spine!
Post by: Axl Rose on October 15, 2019, 02:09:12 PM
In fairness to Mills, who is a knob, I doubt many of us would have many, and quite possibly it would also be zero. The only good thing about Liverpool being so good is how shite it must be for manure fans. They've spent a fortune to be mid table dross while the 2 sides they hate the most are winning everything. Which is rather Nakamba.
I hope we never see Blues and West Brom cleaning up whilst we scuttle around doing fuck all. Can you imagine how unsavoury that would be?
Post by: Exeter 77 on October 15, 2019, 02:32:00 PM
£660000 for all three. When Yorke joined the record transfer involving a British club was £4.25M when Chris Waddle moved to Marseille from Spurs. SGT could spot a bargain.Early days still, but the benchmark would be SGT bringing in McGrath, Platt and Yorke for peanuts.
What a spine!
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on October 15, 2019, 06:20:43 PM
Post by: BC Villain on October 15, 2019, 08:50:08 PM
Man United can fuck off and so can the trolling Evening Mail.Well said on both counts. BM is supposed to be a local paper supporting local clubs so why are they instigating this story? Probably got MU supporting journos in their ranks. Fuck the BM and fuck MU.
Surely newspapers should be reporting rather than supporting, unless it's a paid-for advertising feature
It's not the lack of support I object to, it's more the general going out of their way to annoy Villa fans with non-stories and blatant trolling. Example would be when they interviewed an ex-Liverpool player who had never played for any of our local clubs. It may have been Whelan, I forget. The gist of the article was: why Villa should sell their best player to Liverpool.
Can you imagine the Liverpool Echo running an interview with Dennis Wise trying to undermine Liverpool and saying that Gerrard should sign for Chelsea?
The Meaning Evil are on a par with Radio WM.
Post by: brentastonb6 on October 15, 2019, 09:43:55 PM
Was that £100m each? If they are prepared to pay £100m for Pogba and £80m for McGuire. As is said we don’t need to sell.Let’s hope the ambition of the owners,manager and players are the same and that we can finally stop being the selling club we’ve been since Gerry Hitchens and at last build a team around the best players 🙏Now Alan Brazil saying SJM would be a perfect fit for Man Utd. Also, he was gutted that Celtic didn't sign him last year.
I don't give a fuck what Brazil says.
Now we're starting to build a squad that's being talked about. Mings, McGinn and Grealish all rumoured to be coveted by other sides, Nakamba and Engels doing brilliantly too. I suspect Wesley will bang in a few more and be linked with a move too come the summer.
The great thing is, we don't need to sell.
Agree with all that and I suspect Guilbert will be linked as well because I'd rank him as our 2nd best player this year so far (after McGinn) and he is exactly what teams want in a modern fullback.
4 of those are truly inspired signings, McGinn, Guilbert, Nakamba and Engles for less than £20m is some of the best spending the club as ever done, they're over £100m in market value right now.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 15, 2019, 10:23:01 PM
Post by: brentastonb6 on October 15, 2019, 10:38:53 PM
Trevor Ford and Danny Blanchflower both left before Hitchens so it's even longer than that!True I forgot about Blanchflower to Spurs ? Where and when did Trevor Ford go ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 15, 2019, 10:49:08 PM
Post by: brentastonb6 on October 15, 2019, 10:56:08 PM
Ford went to Sunderland for what I think at the time was a British record fee.Thank you.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 15, 2019, 10:57:47 PM
Post by: paul_e on October 15, 2019, 10:59:15 PM
Was that £100m each? If they are prepared to pay £100m for Pogba and £80m for McGuire. As is said we don’t need to sell.Let’s hope the ambition of the owners,manager and players are the same and that we can finally stop being the selling club we’ve been since Gerry Hitchens and at last build a team around the best players 🙏Now Alan Brazil saying SJM would be a perfect fit for Man Utd. Also, he was gutted that Celtic didn't sign him last year.
I don't give a fuck what Brazil says.
Now we're starting to build a squad that's being talked about. Mings, McGinn and Grealish all rumoured to be coveted by other sides, Nakamba and Engels doing brilliantly too. I suspect Wesley will bang in a few more and be linked with a move too come the summer.
The great thing is, we don't need to sell.
Agree with all that and I suspect Guilbert will be linked as well because I'd rank him as our 2nd best player this year so far (after McGinn) and he is exactly what teams want in a modern fullback.
4 of those are truly inspired signings, McGinn, Guilbert, Nakamba and Engles for less than £20m is some of the best spending the club as ever done, they're over £100m in market value right now.
I said over £100m (as in that the minimum) and it was in the spirit of being conservative and not wanting to over hype players too quickly.
Post by: brentastonb6 on October 15, 2019, 11:23:08 PM
Was that £100m each? If they are prepared to pay £100m for Pogba and £80m for McGuire. As is said we don’t need to sell.Let’s hope the ambition of the owners,manager and players are the same and that we can finally stop being the selling club we’ve been since Gerry Hitchens and at last build a team around the best players 🙏Now Alan Brazil saying SJM would be a perfect fit for Man Utd. Also, he was gutted that Celtic didn't sign him last year.
I don't give a fuck what Brazil says.
Now we're starting to build a squad that's being talked about. Mings, McGinn and Grealish all rumoured to be coveted by other sides, Nakamba and Engels doing brilliantly too. I suspect Wesley will bang in a few more and be linked with a move too come the summer.
The great thing is, we don't need to sell.
Agree with all that and I suspect Guilbert will be linked as well because I'd rank him as our 2nd best player this year so far (after McGinn) and he is exactly what teams want in a modern fullback.
4 of those are truly inspired signings, McGinn, Guilbert, Nakamba and Engles for less than £20m is some of the best spending the club as ever done, they're over £100m in market value right now.
I said over £100m (as in that the minimum) and it was in the spirit of being conservative and not wanting to over hype players too quickly.
Seems a fair current market price if you can say £100m is fair . I am just worried in advance regarding McGinn , I’ve been watching us for forty two years and have seen plenty of great players . There hasn’t been an occasion though where I couldn’t think of a player who could come in and possibly be their equal . I am struggling with him as I can’t think of anyone who could replace the minimum of two of him that seem to be on the pitch at any given time ( At Rotherham away I’m sure there were at least four of him)
Coupled to that I’ve been listening to arrogant shite from a Man Utd fan ( actually from Manchester ) telling me that when they come calling he’ll be off to Man U and be known around the world as a household name where as most people around the world have never heard of us , needless to say I do tell him what a tosser he is, It’s just making me pray harder for our club’s continued leadership and hopefully success coupled to their continued demise that he never feels the need to leave us .
When was the last time a great player saw out their entire career with us ?
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 15, 2019, 11:28:32 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 15, 2019, 11:29:51 PM
Post by: paul_e on October 15, 2019, 11:31:11 PM
If we can keep the core of this side in place for next season so we can have a summer without a massive rebuild then I'll be happy, I can't bring myself to look much beyond that, I just want to get to the point where we signing 5-6 players across the 2 windows and not expecting them to be straight into the team and firing on all cylinders, that's when we'll start to see the consistency in performance and results that will show us how far this team can go.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 15, 2019, 11:31:33 PM
Post by: brentastonb6 on October 15, 2019, 11:53:01 PM
So who did you have coming in as the equal for McGrath?I knew Tyrone Mings as a baby and knew if we hung around long enough he’d come good for us 😉
At the time you’re probably right although we have had other great centre halves who might never be held in the same high esteem and be given god like status but Ken McNaught before him helped win more silverware for us and I’d happily accept either in our defence . Laursen, Southgate and Ugo ditto so there’s plenty out there not far off him. I can see in Liverpool’s Virgil a player I believe to be as cool and composed as our God. I just genuinely don’t see a replacement for McGinn and don’t want us to have to start looking or thinking.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on October 15, 2019, 11:53:32 PM
Post by: brentastonb6 on October 15, 2019, 11:56:20 PM
Lots of players don't see out their career at one club because their legs go and they have to play at a lower level. If McGinn leaves Villa aged 39 for some lower division, Scottish, MLS or Chinese team having helped us to seven straight European Cups, it won't be because Villa lack ambition.Amen.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 16, 2019, 12:02:06 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 16, 2019, 12:03:33 AM
Lots of players don't see out their career at one club because their legs go and they have to play at a lower level. If McGinn leaves Villa aged 39 for some lower division, Scottish, MLS or Chinese team having helped us to seven straight European Cups, it won't be because Villa lack ambition.Amen.
So are we ignoring Hibs and St Mirren or ignoring the "entire career" bit?
Post by: dave shelley on October 16, 2019, 09:27:41 AM
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 16, 2019, 09:31:45 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 16, 2019, 09:41:47 AM
The last player that I can think of that played a full, entire career for us was Charlie Aitken. I don't count the twenty-one games he played for New York Cosmos as their league was in its infancy.
What's Brian Little done to you?
Post by: Brassneck on October 16, 2019, 10:35:00 AM
The last player that I can think of that played a full, entire career for us was Charlie Aitken. I don't count the twenty-one games he played for New York Cosmos as their league was in its infancy.
What's Brian Little done to you?
I guess it wasn't a "full" career? Likewise Gary Shaw.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 16, 2019, 10:46:22 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 16, 2019, 11:53:29 AM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 16, 2019, 12:21:17 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 16, 2019, 12:29:38 PM
Gary Shaw also played for other clubs.
Didn't he make a very short comeback at some Austrian team.
I can't remember their name, and can't be arsed to google, but *dons WW2 history buff hat* it was the site of a large ball bearing factory which was bombed a lot in the war.
Which is a slightly random fact to recall
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 16, 2019, 12:31:38 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 16, 2019, 12:37:00 PM
Gabby played for both Wednesday and Watford on loan.
I thought about that but to me there's a difference to going out on loan as a youth player and being signed to other clubs. Grealish retires in 15 years as a Villa player, his year at Notts County won't stop me classing him as having spent his entire career with us.
Post by: luke95 on October 16, 2019, 12:37:11 PM
He also played for Walsall, Shrewsbury & short Spell at KilmarnockThe last player that I can think of that played a full, entire career for us was Charlie Aitken. I don't count the twenty-one games he played for New York Cosmos as their league was in its infancy.
What's Brian Little done to you?
I guess it wasn't a "full" career? Likewise Gary Shaw.
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2019, 12:37:59 PM
Gary Shaw also played for other clubs.
Didn't he make a very short comeback at some Austrian team.
I can't remember their name, and can't be arsed to google, but *dons WW2 history buff hat* it was the site of a large ball bearing factory which was bombed a lot in the war.
Which is a slightly random fact to recall
He played for Shrewsbury after that, which was his final "proper" team. I seem to remember they had a good FA Cup run with him in 91, which was my last year at 6th form.
Post by: dave shelley on October 16, 2019, 12:54:15 PM
The last player that I can think of that played a full, entire career for us was Charlie Aitken. I don't count the twenty-one games he played for New York Cosmos as their league was in its infancy.
What's Brian Little done to you?
Nowt. He made a couple of appearances for Darlington but they may have been as sub not sure, but Charlie was the one that immediately sprang to mind.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 16, 2019, 01:21:54 PM
Post by: brentastonb6 on October 16, 2019, 11:14:42 PM
Lots of players don't see out their career at one club because their legs go and they have to play at a lower level. If McGinn leaves Villa aged 39 for some lower division, Scottish, MLS or Chinese team having helped us to seven straight European Cups, it won't be because Villa lack ambition.Amen.
So are we ignoring Hibs and St Mirren or ignoring the "entire career" bit?
Neither really, I’m grateful to them and Hibs in particular for providing us with a great player yet again. I suppose I could have / should have quantified my spending their entire career here . I’ll be overjoyed if he spends the peak years of his career here and that we are the pinnacle of his hopefully massively successful record, How does that sound ? I also have no problem with him returning to Scotland, China , MLS or anywhere aged 35 .
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 16, 2019, 11:58:50 PM
Post by: artvandelay on October 17, 2019, 12:41:22 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 18, 2019, 05:33:50 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on October 19, 2019, 01:56:42 PM
Post by: glinch on October 19, 2019, 02:05:55 PM
See the Birmingham Mail were at it again the other day with a piece on how Alex Ferguson is interested in McGinn. Bit of further reading and it turned out to be comments from a Scottish scout who thinks that Ferguson might be interested in McGinn and nothing actually from Ferguson himself.
Manufactured click bait that unfortunately perpetuates all these rumours.
It's a sad state of affairs that the largest local paper resorts to this to essentially stay in business - working against the local teams best interests.
... but enough has been said about how far that paper has gone downhill.
Post by: purpletrousers on October 20, 2019, 02:22:46 AM
I was talking to a colleague at work about John McGinn and he said his flat mate (a Hibs fan) described McGinn as perpetually running like he’s just jumped out of a landing helicopter. I thought that was pretty accurate.
I enjoyed watching out for this today. I’d read something about him running like a helicopter or something early on and it made no sense. Now it does :)
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 20, 2019, 12:26:49 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 20, 2019, 12:28:45 PM
Post by: Richard E on October 20, 2019, 12:35:46 PM
Why would McGinn want to drop down the table by signing for Man U?
For all the Michelin starred restaurants in Manchester.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 20, 2019, 12:59:24 PM
Met Super John out on the town last night. Great guy, very willing to have a quick chat but I didn't bother him long. Seemed really down to earth and gracious. We both had birthdays this week, mine the day before his, and he seemed chuffed when I wished him a happy birthday.
Happy birthday to you too! Bonus you got meet McGinn and enjoy the villa win yesterday ! Great week for you ,!
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 20, 2019, 10:05:20 PM
Post by: Malandro on October 21, 2019, 02:50:08 AM
Thanks Vill I An. It was a cocktail bar down by the canal and near Broad Street area.
I met him at the same place.
I told him success has been so easy for you.
But don't forget, it's me who put you where you are now.
Post by: The Edge on October 21, 2019, 07:39:31 AM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 21, 2019, 08:20:37 AM
What were you guys AND SJM doing in town on a Saturday night? According to the Small Heath massive we're not allowed.
Surprised we weren't killed. Was afeared for me life the entire time, with the triumphant Zulu Army swarming the place
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 21, 2019, 08:50:53 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on October 21, 2019, 08:53:30 AM
I think in time unless we break into the top 6 the pressure to really go for it will be too much for him and Tyrone. I think jack will be our Matt tissAssuming we stay up then we'll keep them all for at least one more season. It will depend on where we are then as to how it pans out.
Post by: paul_e on October 21, 2019, 09:31:37 AM
Post by: The Edge on October 21, 2019, 09:39:20 AM
I was in the Shakespeare/Briar Rose/ Sun on the hill. Guess i got lucky too.What were you guys AND SJM doing in town on a Saturday night? According to the Small Heath massive we're not allowed.
Surprised we weren't killed. Was afeared for me life the entire time, with the triumphant Zulu Army swarming the place
Post by: purpletrousers on October 21, 2019, 11:22:29 PM
I think in time unless we break into the top 6 the pressure to really go for it will be too much for him and Tyrone. I think jack will be our Matt tiss
Maybe you are right, but with the personalities these guys seem to have, the progress they’ve made together, the joyous way we came up and *they* were both so pivotal in making history, excelling for club and country, both so loved, the unadulterated fun they seem to have had at times, John being mates with Jack, I think we’ve got the best chance for that extra bit of loyalty.
Of course I’ll always be the naive optimist, but I think I can judge a character too and I don’t think they’ll be off at the first sniff, and we certainly don’t need to let them go.
Post by: purpletrousers on October 21, 2019, 11:25:03 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 22, 2019, 09:51:12 AM
And it’s so damn good to be able to type that, to believe it even if I’m wrong. We’ve had our share of those not delivering or even trying, but it’s just wondeful to have multiple players we love.
It's been a long long time since we've loved players, great isn't it?
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 22, 2019, 01:10:59 PM
And it’s so damn good to be able to type that, to believe it even if I’m wrong. We’ve had our share of those not delivering or even trying, but it’s just wondeful to have multiple players we love.
It's been a long long time since we've loved players, great isn't it?
What an excellent point - we really do seem to have "our" club back and the players seem to be every bit a part of that
Long may it continue
Post by: DrGonzo on October 22, 2019, 04:46:00 PM
Post by: Dave P on October 22, 2019, 04:49:26 PM
In terms of value and impact, Villa's best signing since...? I'm struggling to think. Maybe Barry?
Barry didn't make an 'instant' impact as he was a kid. McGinn certainly has. I'm thinking maybe Dublin?
Post by: manic-road on October 22, 2019, 05:29:16 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on October 22, 2019, 05:34:57 PM
Post by: Virgil Caine on October 22, 2019, 06:48:13 PM
In terms of value and impact, Villa's best signing since...? I'm struggling to think. Maybe Barry?
I have always thought in my time supporting the greatest team in the world that the signing of Ray Graydon had the most impact. A part exchange deal involving Brian Godfrey seemed to me to be the catalyst in the revival of Villas fortunes from the dark days of Div 3.
Post by: amfy on October 22, 2019, 06:58:17 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 23, 2019, 11:42:35 AM
Post by: DrGonzo on October 23, 2019, 12:46:41 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on October 23, 2019, 03:12:28 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 23, 2019, 04:51:43 PM
Why would McGinn want to drop down the table by signing for Man U?
For the Michelin starred restaurant in Manchester.
FIFY. They’ve got one at last.
Post by: AV82EC on October 23, 2019, 05:32:00 PM
Why would McGinn want to drop down the table by signing for Man U?
For the Michelin starred restaurant in Manchester.
FIFY. They’ve got one at last.
I’m going soon, I’ll report back.
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2019, 02:07:32 PM
Why would McGinn want to drop down the table by signing for Man U?
For the Michelin starred restaurant in Manchester.
FIFY. They’ve got one at last.
I’m going soon, I’ll report back.
It should be good. It was an absolute travesty that Manchester House didn't have one when Aiden Byrne was there, completely brilliant food. Pushed into second place by in my list of all time favourite meals by Adams, but still very good indeed.
Post by: AV82EC on October 24, 2019, 03:33:22 PM
Why would McGinn want to drop down the table by signing for Man U?
For the Michelin starred restaurant in Manchester.
FIFY. They’ve got one at last.
I’m going soon, I’ll report back.
It should be good. It was an absolute travesty that Manchester House didn't have one when Aiden Byrne was there, completely brilliant food. Pushed into second place by in my list of all time favourite meals by Adams, but still very good indeed.
I agree the food was very good there but I felt the service and ambience was a bit too try hard, I preferred the French myself as Rogan is very good but that probably suffered a bit from the same problem.
Post by: Mister E on October 24, 2019, 05:51:54 PM
Whatever happened to 'real' football fans?!Why would McGinn want to drop down the table by signing for Man U?
For the Michelin starred restaurant in Manchester.
FIFY. They’ve got one at last.
I’m going soon, I’ll report back.
It should be good. It was an absolute travesty that Manchester House didn't have one when Aiden Byrne was there, completely brilliant food. Pushed into second place by in my list of all time favourite meals by Adams, but still very good indeed.
My best culinary experience was a long, long time ago in Eugénie-les-Bains, courtesy of chef Michel Guérard.
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2019, 08:07:54 PM
Post by: Iamkmkm on October 24, 2019, 08:55:33 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on October 24, 2019, 09:40:01 PM
My lunch today was from Greggs.My lunch today was on the M1
UTV!
Post by: purpletrousers on October 25, 2019, 12:22:03 AM
My lunch today was from Greggs.
Vegan sausage roll again Risso?
My lunch was made by Gregg in Luton’s finest (only) vegan establishment, Gregg himself despite living nowhere near having been taken to the Villa a lot by a neighbour as a nipper.
Post by: robbo1874 on October 25, 2019, 03:40:25 AM
Post by: Villa Lew on October 26, 2019, 07:39:34 AM
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20191026/283270279564583
Post by: purpletrousers on October 27, 2019, 12:27:30 AM
Article on SJM in today's Daily Mail
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20191026/283270279564583
Can you paste Lew, so others don’t have to soil themselves?
Post by: Villa Lew on October 27, 2019, 01:31:47 PM
Article on SJM in today's Daily Mail
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20191026/283270279564583
Can you paste Lew, so others don’t have to soil themselves?
Sorry unfortunately that's beyond my extremely limited computer skills!
Post by: danno on October 27, 2019, 02:06:39 PM
Article on SJM in today's Daily Mail
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20191026/283270279564583
Can you paste Lew, so others don’t have to soil themselves?
Sorry unfortunately that's beyond my extremely limited computer skills!
The link is fine/ was fine as is. Great article btw, thanks for posting it.
Post by: purpletrousers on November 16, 2019, 04:06:22 PM
Post by: Damo70 on November 16, 2019, 04:34:51 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 16, 2019, 04:39:27 PM
Post by: brian green on November 16, 2019, 08:26:57 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 16, 2019, 11:31:17 PM
Post by: The Edge on November 19, 2019, 09:47:53 PM
Another goal for a Scotland victory, 4 in 2 games for them. Hope he’s not too knackered!Scored 2 more tonight. Congratulations to him. It's a double edged sword though as the media wankfest over him supposedly being wanted by Yanited will be in full swing now.
Post by: Rigadon on November 19, 2019, 10:08:43 PM
Post by: Smirker on November 19, 2019, 10:20:12 PM
Post by: Billy Walker on November 19, 2019, 11:25:30 PM
Another goal for a Scotland victory, 4 in 2 games for them. Hope he’s not too knackered!Scored 2 more tonight. Congratulations to him. It's a double edged sword though as the media wankfest over him supposedly being wanted by Yanited will be in full swing now.
It matters not a jot what the media say, I can't see NSWE wanting to sell our key players.
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 20, 2019, 12:20:08 AM
Post by: OCD on November 20, 2019, 12:01:16 PM
Post by: AV82EC on November 20, 2019, 12:39:01 PM
It's not easy for teams to cherry pick players these days. There's so much money in the Premier League that you just do what Leicester did with Maguire. If you want him, it will cost you £80m otherwise go away.
However, if you have assets like McGinn, Mings and Grealish they do have a price and if idiot clubs like United want to splash the cash and pay it then fine. For me it’s how you then reinvest that money that’s important, something Leicester have done very well with the Maguire money. I’m more confident that our whole ownership and management at the club know when the right time to cash in is and how to then reinvest. However it’s a moot point currently as we’re nowhere near that point currently.
Post by: OCD on November 20, 2019, 04:52:37 PM
Post by: Risso on November 20, 2019, 05:15:53 PM
Post by: AV82EC on November 20, 2019, 05:32:18 PM
I think if you were offered silly money for Mings and McGinn, you'd be able to replace them without too much bother. Grealish is different though, I don't think we'll see his like at Villa again, he's a once in a generation sort of player.
Fair comment Riss, I’d agree with that, which makes progression on the football front vital for the club as ultimately someone with Grealish talent could command silly money and silly wages within the next 18 months.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 20, 2019, 09:32:54 PM
I think if you were offered silly money for Mings and McGinn, you'd be able to replace them without too much bother. Grealish is different though, I don't think we'll see his like at Villa again, he's a once in a generation sort of player.I agree, obviously Southgate doesn’t.
I do not think England produces this sort of player too often, closest thing to Gascoine I have seen.
Not saying he is or will be as good but i do see similarities.
Post by: Drummond on November 21, 2019, 10:53:20 AM
I wouldn't sell McGinn, he's far too good to easily replace.
Post by: Rigadon on November 21, 2019, 10:58:39 AM
Grealish's absence is similar to Sid's lack of call-ups.
I wouldn't sell McGinn, he's far too good to easily replace.
Agree. All players are sold / leave at some point. The trick is to do it at the right time, be that because the player is just beyond their peak and you can still get decent money, or because you have a ready made replacement that is at least as good and will cost you less.
At the moment, I don't care how much money we might get for Jack or McGinn, because selling them would completely burst the bubble on the fan / player good vibes and buying a replacement would be nigh on impossible.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 21, 2019, 01:54:42 PM
Surely we should be pushing him up the pitch as he is one of a few players that might actually score.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 22, 2019, 07:25:04 AM
I think he may go for big money next summer if one of the big boys comes calling .
Post by: JD on November 22, 2019, 07:51:01 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 22, 2019, 08:37:16 AM
If we stay up this season (which we will), with our owners we will be one of the big boys.
Every indication is that they're being cautious this season, then when we stay up it's stratosphere time
Post by: Risso on November 23, 2019, 10:04:49 AM
If we stay up this season (which we will), with our owners we will be one of the big boys.
Every indication is that they're being cautious this season, then when we stay up it's stratosphere time
It's the staying up bit that is key, and if their caution sends us down, then it's another year wasted and having to completely rebuild.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 23, 2019, 01:29:11 PM
(I'm just posting this before the latter, inevitably, scores today).
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 23, 2019, 05:01:38 PM
We have the January transfer window to address our concerns - you honestly think they will not invest and the management team have not identified their targets?If we stay up this season (which we will), with our owners we will be one of the big boys.
Every indication is that they're being cautious this season, then when we stay up it's stratosphere time
It's the staying up bit that is key, and if their caution sends us down, then it's another year wasted and having to completely rebuild.
Post by: CT on November 23, 2019, 05:09:36 PM
Fingers crossed he's bang at it on Monday night.
Post by: Risso on November 23, 2019, 05:12:32 PM
We have the January transfer window to address our concerns - you honestly think they will not invest and the management team have not identified their targets?If we stay up this season (which we will), with our owners we will be one of the big boys.
Every indication is that they're being cautious this season, then when we stay up it's stratosphere time
It's the staying up bit that is key, and if their caution sends us down, then it's another year wasted and having to completely rebuild.
I hope so. But then I didn't think they'd leave us so short up front during the summer window, so who knows.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 24, 2019, 06:35:06 AM
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Fair comment
Post by: Mister E on November 24, 2019, 10:46:54 AM
Grealish's absence is similar to Sid's lack of call-ups.Really? - I don't think Grealish has yet played anything like enough top-flight games, in the way that Sid had. Maybe by the end of this season he'll have provied himself.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 24, 2019, 03:22:08 PM
https://twitter.com/AvfcGhana/status/1193832509177581568
Post by: olaftab on November 24, 2019, 07:10:13 PM
“Newcastle manager and former Villa boss Steve Bruce claimed McGinn was currently performing "at Man United level" such have been his high standards of late”
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 24, 2019, 07:59:24 PM
I see Bruce thinks John is only good enough for a mid table team:And people wonder why he gets so much stick.
“Newcastle manager and former Villa boss Steve Bruce claimed McGinn was currently performing "at Man United level" such have been his high standards of late”
Post by: OCD on November 25, 2019, 11:12:36 AM
Post by: brontebilly on November 25, 2019, 01:33:46 PM
I've seen Bruce say McGinn was probably his best ever signing but I'm sure I've read somewhere that it was the owners who wanted to bring him in and Bruce was reluctant. Has anybody else seen similar?
Think Celtic were set to sign McGinn at the time but were penny pinching with Hibs so we swooped in to get him. It was one of the reasons Brendan Rodgers cited for leaving Celtic later on. It may have been Bruce, we were heavily linked to an Aberdeen centre half whose name escapes me that summer too, so obviously we were scouting the Scottish league.
Post by: fbriai on November 25, 2019, 01:45:00 PM
Post by: Dazvillain on November 25, 2019, 06:36:36 PM
Been playing well for Scotland though so I’ve been kept loyalty and he’s still in my dream team....need a couple of goals / assists tonigh though or he’s getting dropped
Post by: Demitri_C on November 26, 2019, 08:09:15 AM
Post by: Drummond on November 26, 2019, 10:27:41 AM
Didn't have his best game but hopefully saving thag for manure on Sunday! We owe them a beating
We certainly do.
And I thought he made a couple of uncharacteristic errors, losing possession last night. I suspect due to a little fatigue; he needs a breather soon.
Still, he's bloody brilliant.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 26, 2019, 10:59:26 AM
Post by: brentastonb6 on November 26, 2019, 11:31:19 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 26, 2019, 11:25:45 PM
Post by: stevo_st on November 26, 2019, 11:42:42 PM
I would love to see SJM pushed alongside Jack and Wes.How would that work?
Play 3 Centre Backs, with wingbacks
3-4-2-1?
Post by: Risso on November 26, 2019, 11:49:43 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/Tb0383v/sjm.png)
I've just clicked on the play arrow three times.
Post by: stevo_st on November 27, 2019, 12:02:52 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 27, 2019, 12:13:53 AM
4-3-3I would love to see SJM pushed alongside Jack and Wes.How would that work?
Play 3 Centre Backs, with wingbacks
3-4-2-1?
Same as now with any 3 from Hourihane Luis Marvelous and Angela in midfield
Post by: OCD on November 27, 2019, 11:50:56 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 28, 2019, 05:46:10 PM
Bit harsh on AEG. SJM has got enough energy to be able to support the front players from the midfield. May even help him to be running from deeper.I would not mind a front 3 of SJM AEG and Jack.
McGinn is scoring goals for fun for Scotland and maybe our most natural finisher.
Post by: Damo70 on December 02, 2019, 12:31:48 AM
Post by: adrenachrome on December 02, 2019, 01:16:37 AM
Either he has to pace himself, or we need to rest him occasionally.
Post by: OzVilla on December 02, 2019, 03:34:59 AM
Post by: in exile on December 02, 2019, 06:47:55 AM
Post by: Pete3206 on December 02, 2019, 08:30:01 PM
He's one of our best players.
Post by: olaftab on December 02, 2019, 08:35:25 PM
Post by: Ian. on December 02, 2019, 09:26:15 PM
Post by: hipkiss92 on December 02, 2019, 09:30:21 PM
Post by: brontebilly on December 02, 2019, 09:57:43 PM
Keep him in, he’s been still playing well enough, just not as brilliant as he can.
He was poor yesterday I thought, offered little with or without the ball. Following on from average/poor performances v Wolves and Newcastle. Time for a break.
Post by: Ian. on December 02, 2019, 10:46:16 PM
Post by: Ian. on December 02, 2019, 10:48:20 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 02, 2019, 10:49:41 PM
A rest? Not for me.
He's one of our best players.
This.
Post by: brontebilly on December 02, 2019, 11:29:08 PM
Just go back to March, April this year and people were saying this, then he has a stormer and we were all glad he wasn’t benched.
He was benched v Birmingham. Came on and helped change the game.
Post by: Diablo on December 03, 2019, 09:39:52 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 03, 2019, 09:50:21 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 03, 2019, 10:16:04 AM
Keep him in, he’s been still playing well enough, just not as brilliant as he can.
He was poor yesterday I thought, offered little with or without the ball. Following on from average/poor performances v Wolves and Newcastle. Time for a break.
Both he and Freddy have been busy on the right side up against some more than decent attackers. For some strange reason teams have been targeting our right side, no idea why when it's much stronger defensively than our left. Still, not to worry.
Post by: FrankyH on December 07, 2019, 12:01:31 PM
Post by: ROBBO on December 08, 2019, 08:36:29 AM
Post by: themossman on December 08, 2019, 09:24:49 AM
Post by: Mister E on December 08, 2019, 10:18:17 AM
Agree with these points I was watching SJM closely against Chelsea and I don’t think he actually had a quiet game as such - his tackling, ball retention and recycling were good and he made incisive runs. I just think he’s being asked to play in a way that frees jack up. It’s not a coincidence that he has gone ‘quiet’ at the same time jack has started getting headlines again.The challenge is to make that system flexible, so that our apporach is less predictable for the oppo.
Post by: themossman on December 08, 2019, 01:10:09 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 08, 2019, 03:50:58 PM
Post by: Small Rodent on December 08, 2019, 04:26:50 PM
Only on BBC to tout him to “bigger” clubs.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 08, 2019, 04:33:29 PM
Probably does need a breather. He's on 3 yellows so will get a one match ban soon anyway.
Post by: Flin5tone on December 08, 2019, 05:00:05 PM
Done nothing today
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 08, 2019, 05:01:19 PM
Showing why he only cost what he did.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/JUMLTR3dHEGpW/200.gif)
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 08, 2019, 06:40:16 PM
Post by: Risso on December 08, 2019, 06:42:37 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 08, 2019, 06:49:47 PM
Post by: Risso on December 08, 2019, 07:05:02 PM
Post by: brontebilly on December 08, 2019, 07:05:23 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 08, 2019, 07:15:15 PM
Showing why he only cost what he did.
Done nothing today
Aye, he's pish. Worse than Balaban.
Post by: CT on December 08, 2019, 07:29:46 PM
Showing why he only cost what he did.
Done nothing today
For whatever the reasons, SJM is a shadow of the player we've come to know at VP at the moment.
But that comment is a wind up surely?
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 16, 2019, 11:14:19 PM
McGinn has been having painkilling injections to get through matches, and was not able to take a full part in training sessions.
He is believed to have resumed normal training only last week, even though he still played every minute of the games against Manchester United, Chelsea and Leicester.
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 16, 2019, 11:19:21 PM
Needs dropping and has done for a few weeks now.
Well now we know .
He's been playing injured
Post by: OzVilla on December 17, 2019, 03:31:40 AM
We need him at 100% asap.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 17, 2019, 04:29:40 AM
I'm not sure why he should be knackered. There are fewer games than in the Championship, and we're not in Europe.
We're chasing the ball a lot more in the PL. We kept the ball a lot more in the Championship.
Post by: eamonn on December 17, 2019, 07:41:14 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on December 17, 2019, 08:36:10 AM
The report states that SJM will be rested against Liverpool tomorrow and that the midfielder was in considerable discomfort following Villa's 2-0 win over Newcastle last month, and a scan revealed a tear to a thigh muscle, thought to have sustained playing for Scotland.Fair play, what a trooper. Hopefully he'll be back to his best soon.
McGinn has been having painkilling injections to get through matches, and was not able to take a full part in training sessions.
He is believed to have resumed normal training only last week, even though he still played every minute of the games against Manchester United, Chelsea and Leicester.
Hard to understand why we didn't rest him for at least one of those games though. He's too important to us to risk long term injury.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 17, 2019, 08:40:15 AM
I want DS to stay and be successful here but it seems like every day that passes just raises another big question about his management this season.
Post by: Steve67 on December 17, 2019, 08:44:33 AM
Post by: DB on December 17, 2019, 09:04:50 AM
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 17, 2019, 09:09:57 AM
In DS defence, he will be going on the advice of the Dr and medical team. I hope so anyway.
There is no way a medical team has assessed a thigh muscle tear (if the reports are true) and said "yep, he's OK to play".
Post by: chrisw1 on December 17, 2019, 09:59:41 AM
To be fair, non of us know the extent of the injury or what the medical team said. I'd be amazed if Smith insisted he played against medical advice.In DS defence, he will be going on the advice of the Dr and medical team. I hope so anyway.
There is no way a medical team has assessed a thigh muscle tear (if the reports are true) and said "yep, he's OK to play".
He's not the first and won't be the last player to play through a niggling injury.
Post by: Ads on December 17, 2019, 10:20:32 AM
Sportsmen play with injuries on a routine basis. Find me a fast bowler that's not got a niggling injury.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 17, 2019, 10:30:56 AM
He was administered injections to enable him to play, its self evident that the medical team were involved in the decision making process of allowing him to play.
Sportsmen play with injuries on a routine basis. Find me a fast bowler that's not got a niggling injury.
A medical team being told to administer a pain-killing injection so a player can make it through 90 minutes is a world away from them advising the manager "He's fine to play" and DS making the decision on that basis.
Are you telling me they also signed off on James Chester playing through injury for virtually a whole season, on the basis of the fact that they were the ones administering the injections? That was clearly a decision made by player & manager.
The difference there is we had very little option but to play James Chester, who deserves every plaudit for agreeing to play nonetheless.
Conversely, Smith allowing McGinn to play through an injury when there are other available options is not just negligent, it's downright stupid. That's if the report is true.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 17, 2019, 10:33:14 AM
He was administered injections to enable him to play, its self evident that the medical team were involved in the decision making process of allowing him to play.
Sportsmen play with injuries on a routine basis. Find me a fast bowler that's not got a niggling injury.
Bob Willis?
Post by: Risso on December 17, 2019, 10:39:38 AM
Post by: Ads on December 17, 2019, 11:40:21 AM
Post by: Ads on December 17, 2019, 11:42:13 AM
He was administered injections to enable him to play, its self evident that the medical team were involved in the decision making process of allowing him to play.
Sportsmen play with injuries on a routine basis. Find me a fast bowler that's not got a niggling injury.
A medical team being told to administer a pain-killing injection so a player can make it through 90 minutes is a world away from them advising the manager "He's fine to play" and DS making the decision on that basis.
Are you telling me they also signed off on James Chester playing through injury for virtually a whole season, on the basis of the fact that they were the ones administering the injections? That was clearly a decision made by player & manager.
The difference there is we had very little option but to play James Chester, who deserves every plaudit for agreeing to play nonetheless.
Conversely, Smith allowing McGinn to play through an injury when there are other available options is not just negligent, it's downright stupid. That's if the report is true.
Yes, the medical team will have had an input in the decision making process. Like with Grealish. He was played last season up until he couldn't any longer, as the risks of a leg fracture became too great
Post by: robleflaneur on December 17, 2019, 12:10:07 PM
If he had to play any games ,then surely the next 3 league games against possible relegation candidates should have been the priority.
Post by: SheffieldVillain on December 17, 2019, 12:26:42 PM
Makes a mockery of the 'we have two players for each position' comment when we are not playing SJM's replacement?
Not really. I'm sure Barcelona have another player in Messi's position, they'd just rather play Messi if possible. Same with Aguero at Man City and so on. McGinn is one of our best players so they want to play him if at all possible. Having two players per position doesn't mean we are going to have 22 players of a Grealish/McGinn standard yet.
Post by: Risso on December 17, 2019, 12:42:35 PM
The trouble is, all of the midfielders we have, ie McGinn, Luiz, Nakamba, Hourihane, Lansbury are all looking poor at the same time.
Post by: Steve67 on December 17, 2019, 01:05:43 PM
Makes a mockery of the 'we have two players for each position' comment when we are not playing SJM's replacement?
Not really. I'm sure Barcelona have another player in Messi's position, they'd just rather play Messi if possible. Same with Aguero at Man City and so on. McGinn is one of our best players so they want to play him if at all possible. Having two players per position doesn't mean we are going to have 22 players of a Grealish/McGinn standard yet.
So the McGinn replacement is so bad that we'd rather play an injured McGinn.
Post by: olaftab on December 17, 2019, 01:09:31 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on December 17, 2019, 01:15:38 PM
Some players have to play if fit. For us it’s Mings, McGinn and Grealish....no Hackney Council Cuts
No ifs no buts.
Sorry pavlovian response.
Post by: BC Villain on December 17, 2019, 01:29:43 PM
Makes a hell of a lot of sense. Have to say I'm massively disappointed in Dean Smith if true that McGinn has a thigh muscle tear and he's been letting him play through it week-in, week-out. Wilfully stupid.
I want DS to stay and be successful here but it seems like every day that passes just raises another big question about his management this season.
Same thing happened with James Chester. Albeit Bruce leaving us with no defenders played a part
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 17, 2019, 02:33:39 PM
Post by: in exile on December 17, 2019, 02:53:21 PM
Is not Douglas injured too ?you are yoda and I collect £10.00
Post by: purpletrousers on December 21, 2019, 12:03:18 AM
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Former Hibs ace John McGinn gets name-check in the House of Commons
Aston Villa star mentioned by SNP member of parliament
Thursday, 19th December 2019, 5:29 pm
Former Hibs midfielder John McGinn has been mentioned in the House of Commons.
The Aston Villa and Scotland ace has been a revelation in his maiden season in the English Premier League, with Manchester United linked with a big-money move for the 25-year-old.
For the time being, he is a fans' favourite of Villa - and when new Walsall North MP Eddie Hughes was congratulated for his address to parliament by SNP Commons leader and keen Hibs fan Ian Blackford, McGinn's name came up in conversation.
Ross, Skye and Lochaber MP Blackford said: “I must say to the honourable member for Walsall North, I know he is a great football fan, I thought he would have perhaps mentioned Aston Villa. I know they are not having the best of times, but I hope he is enjoying watching John McGinn that we gifted from Hibernian to him last year.”
Hughes, a passionate Villa supporter, recognised the reference with a cheery laugh.
Post by: CT on December 21, 2019, 04:57:11 PM
Post by: frank black on December 21, 2019, 06:02:19 PM
I know his been off sorts recently but he’s going to be a massive miss.
Are we going to roll the dice in January by spending? I think we have to, but I guess FFP will dictate. Pfft shite day all round
Post by: john e on December 21, 2019, 06:04:36 PM
Post by: themossman on December 21, 2019, 06:14:38 PM
Post by: frank black on December 21, 2019, 06:16:36 PM
Fingers crossed with the scan.
Post by: Ad@m on December 21, 2019, 07:28:35 PM
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Post by: David_Nab on December 21, 2019, 08:37:42 PM
We were sat in front of it, looked like he caught his stud and turned his ankle as well as landing badly. He was in a lot of pain by the look of it as well, not good.
Yup didnt look good at all , he couldn't stand on it at all.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 21, 2019, 09:06:17 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 21, 2019, 09:08:06 PM
Post by: FrankyH on December 21, 2019, 09:09:28 PM
Out for season allegedly
What source is that from ?
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 21, 2019, 09:10:53 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 21, 2019, 09:14:24 PM
From your mate, Vinnie?
Not from my usual. Done his ankle. 4 months ish he reckons
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 21, 2019, 09:18:19 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 21, 2019, 09:20:01 PM
From your mate, Vinnie?
Not from my usual. Done his ankle. 4 months ish he reckons
Ouch!
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 21, 2019, 10:58:38 PM
From your mate, Vinnie?
Not from my usual. Done his ankle. 4 months ish he reckons
That's not too bad. Might come back for final few games.
To spin it means we're more likely to keep hold of him whatever division we're in.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on December 22, 2019, 06:48:33 AM
Why was John though bombing from right to left to put a tackle in on a right back on the touchline by the dugout at that stage in the game? The ball was going nowhere anyway! He had to pass Wesley to do so, so why didn't he chase the right back down? As we didn't have the ball why wasn't Jack closing the right back down? If John felt he had to do what he did because others aren't doing their jobs, then Deano needs to f-cking sort that out even if it's the captain getting a rollicking! As it is we are probs going to be without McGinn for a while.
Post by: frank black on December 22, 2019, 07:10:34 AM
It's great that John has so much energy and enthusiasm that he wants to bomb about in the first minutes of a game, but in the PL if you take that approach you are going to be blowing out your arse after 60 minutes.
Why was John though bombing from right to left to put a tackle in on a right back on the touchline by the dugout at that stage in the game? The ball was going nowhere anyway! He had to pass Wesley to do so, so why didn't he chase the right back down? As we didn't have the ball why wasn't Jack closing the right back down? If John felt he had to do what he did because others aren't doing their jobs, then Deano needs to f-cking sort that out even if it's the captain getting a rollicking! As it is we are probs going to be without McGinn for a while.
Because he was pissed off after being fouled and the ref didn’t give it. Passion was substituted from the team at that point.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 22, 2019, 07:34:12 AM
From your mate, Vinnie?
Not from my usual. Done his ankle. 4 months ish he reckons
That's not too bad. Might come back for final few games.
To spin it means we're more likely to keep hold of him whatever division we're in.
He wont wnat to play in the chmapionship. If we go down he will leave whether he is injured or not.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 22, 2019, 08:18:15 AM
Post by: Roysmert on December 22, 2019, 10:52:23 AM
Post by: manic-road on December 22, 2019, 10:57:23 AM
April apparently.
According to the club or someone's comment on Twitter?
Post by: Dazvillain on December 22, 2019, 12:47:17 PM
Post by: LukeJames on December 22, 2019, 12:47:20 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 22, 2019, 12:52:55 PM
From your mate, Vinnie?
Not from my usual. Done his ankle. 4 months ish he reckons
Now confirmed by club
Post by: David_Nab on December 22, 2019, 12:57:07 PM
Post by: Dazvillain on December 22, 2019, 01:03:02 PM
Post by: Malandro on December 22, 2019, 01:05:53 PM
I realise fracturing his ankle has very little to do with his other injury.
However, players who are playing on with the help of injections always seem to get badly crocked.
I knew we'd lose McGinn, Mings or Grealish long term. So bloody unlucky.
Post by: KRS on December 22, 2019, 01:08:10 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 22, 2019, 01:10:28 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on December 22, 2019, 01:10:51 PM
Post by: KRS on December 22, 2019, 01:17:44 PM
Jack HAS to be back centrally now (10) Change formation to a 4231442 diamond or 4312 for me with Jack playing centrally behind the front 2. Neither wingers are working, Wes never gets on the end of crosses and we need to tighten up at the back.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 22, 2019, 01:26:33 PM
Merry Christmas.
I realise fracturing his ankle has very little to do with his other injury.
However, players who are playing on with the help of injections always seem to get badly crocked.
I knew we'd lose McGinn, Mings or Grealish long term. So bloody unlucky.
For me it doesn't matter that the injury is unrelated to whatever he was carrying, he shouldn't have been playing in the first place and many people said it before the game. If amateur spectators can spot when an important player desperately needs a rest, the minimum we can ask from a manager is that he realise that also, and act upon it.
I'm as angry about this as the result, tbh, and I'm done with Smith now. He'd have to work a miracle to win back my trust.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 22, 2019, 01:27:42 PM
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Post by: themossman on December 22, 2019, 01:36:57 PM
Merry Christmas.
I realise fracturing his ankle has very little to do with his other injury.
However, players who are playing on with the help of injections always seem to get badly crocked.
I knew we'd lose McGinn, Mings or Grealish long term. So bloody unlucky.
I’m feeling less generous. Playing a player like him when they are injured and below par leads to frustration, rash judgment and risk of compensation injuries. Whether they were directly linked or not we’ve still risked and (possibly) ruined our prize asset for the season.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 22, 2019, 01:38:34 PM
Merry Christmas.
I realise fracturing his ankle has very little to do with his other injury.
However, players who are playing on with the help of injections always seem to get badly crocked.
I knew we'd lose McGinn, Mings or Grealish long term. So bloody unlucky.
For me it doesn't matter that the injury is unrelated to whatever he was carrying, he shouldn't have been playing in the first place and many people said it before the game. If amateur spectators can spot when an important player desperately needs a rest, the minimum we can ask from a manager is that he realise that also, and act upon it.
I'm as angry about this as the result, tbh, and I'm done with Smith now. He'd have to work a miracle to win back my trust.
Don’t agree.
It’s too easy to lump everything Deano’s way because that’s how it’s inevitably going now. It was just an unfortunate injury from a challenge for the ball.
It’s just a momentum thing now and this site will be full of people baying for blood.
It’s a shame because I believe Smith deserves more time but I accept that I’m in the minority now.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 22, 2019, 01:41:38 PM
Merry Christmas.
I realise fracturing his ankle has very little to do with his other injury.
However, players who are playing on with the help of injections always seem to get badly crocked.
I knew we'd lose McGinn, Mings or Grealish long term. So bloody unlucky.
For me it doesn't matter that the injury is unrelated to whatever he was carrying, he shouldn't have been playing in the first place and many people said it before the game. If amateur spectators can spot when an important player desperately needs a rest, the minimum we can ask from a manager is that he realise that also, and act upon it.
I'm as angry about this as the result, tbh, and I'm done with Smith now. He'd have to work a miracle to win back my trust.
Don’t agree.
It’s too easy to lump everything Deano’s way because that’s how it’s inevitably going now. It was just an unfortunate injury from a challenge for the ball.
It’s just a momentum thing now and this site will be full of people baying for blood.
It’s a shame because I believe Smith deserves more time but I accept that I’m in the minority now.
So you think Smith was right to start McGinn?
Post by: wolfman999 on December 22, 2019, 01:43:16 PM
Post by: CT on December 22, 2019, 01:59:39 PM
Whilst the injury is nothing to do with the one he was carrying, I feel his condition has been very badly handled and he really shouldn’t have been on the field to pick up this up.
I'd agree, sometimes though it's just smallest margins. If the ref had just given the fucking obvious free kick, that may never have happened.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 22, 2019, 02:03:23 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 22, 2019, 02:13:34 PM
Whilst the injury is nothing to do with the one he was carrying, I feel his condition has been very badly handled and he really shouldn’t have been on the field to pick up this up.
I'd agree, sometimes though it's just smallest margins. If the ref had just given the fucking obvious free kick, that may never have happened.
Agree. We should sue that twat for reparations.
Post by: darren woolley on December 22, 2019, 02:45:29 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on December 22, 2019, 03:08:25 PM
Merry Christmas.
I realise fracturing his ankle has very little to do with his other injury.
However, players who are playing on with the help of injections always seem to get badly crocked.
I knew we'd lose McGinn, Mings or Grealish long term. So bloody unlucky.
For me it doesn't matter that the injury is unrelated to whatever he was carrying, he shouldn't have been playing in the first place and many people said it before the game. If amateur spectators can spot when an important player desperately needs a rest, the minimum we can ask from a manager is that he realise that also, and act upon it.
I'm as angry about this as the result, tbh, and I'm done with Smith now. He'd have to work a miracle to win back my trust.
Don’t agree.
It’s too easy to lump everything Deano’s way because that’s how it’s inevitably going now. It was just an unfortunate injury from a challenge for the ball.
It’s just a momentum thing now and this site will be full of people baying for blood.
It’s a shame because I believe Smith deserves more time but I accept that I’m in the minority now.
Not necessarily in the minority. "Smith out" is just noisier . H and V isn't necessarily reflective of the Villa support as a whole.
FWIW I agree with you.
How many people on here, WITHOUT the 20:20 hindsight, wanted McGinn left out yesterday? Where were the posts on the pre-match thread to that effect?
Blaming Smith for McGinn's injury is like blaming Bernard Matthews for your turkey being overcooked.
Post by: Clampy on December 22, 2019, 03:13:34 PM
Merry Christmas.
I realise fracturing his ankle has very little to do with his other injury.
However, players who are playing on with the help of injections always seem to get badly crocked.
I knew we'd lose McGinn, Mings or Grealish long term. So bloody unlucky.
For me it doesn't matter that the injury is unrelated to whatever he was carrying, he shouldn't have been playing in the first place and many people said it before the game. If amateur spectators can spot when an important player desperately needs a rest, the minimum we can ask from a manager is that he realise that also, and act upon it.
I'm as angry about this as the result, tbh, and I'm done with Smith now. He'd have to work a miracle to win back my trust.
Don’t agree.
It’s too easy to lump everything Deano’s way because that’s how it’s inevitably going now. It was just an unfortunate injury from a challenge for the ball.
It’s just a momentum thing now and this site will be full of people baying for blood.
It’s a shame because I believe Smith deserves more time but I accept that I’m in the minority now.
Not necessarily in the minority. "Smith out" is just noisier . H and V isn't necessarily reflective of the Villa support as a whole.
FWIW I agree with you.
How many people on here, WITHOUT the 20:20 hindsight, wanted McGinn left out yesterday? Where were the posts on the pre-match thread to that effect?
Blaming Smith for McGinn's injury is like blaming Bernard Matthews for your turkey being overcooked.
Well I did for a start. It just would have been a sensible thing to do seeing as he's been having injections to play.
Post by: Ads on December 22, 2019, 03:14:35 PM
Jack HAS to be back centrally now (10) Change formation to a 4231442 diamond or 4312 for me with Jack playing centrally behind the front 2. Neither wingers are working, Wes never gets on the end of crosses and we need to tighten up at the back.
I completely agree. It can revert to two holding out of possession to give the defence and full backs extra cover too.
Post by: Rudy65 on December 22, 2019, 03:30:37 PM
3 months out according to John Percy /Telegraph
Let’s hope we are still in with a hope of staying up when he returns
Post by: hilts_coolerking on December 22, 2019, 03:36:09 PM
How many people on here, WITHOUT the 20:20 hindsight, wanted McGinn left out yesterday? Where were the posts on the pre-match thread to that effect?To be fair, people have been saying he should have been rested weeks ago.
Post by: UK Redsox on December 22, 2019, 04:27:38 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on December 22, 2019, 04:39:04 PM
Very unfortunate for McGinn and Villa, but that was a challenge that he didn't need to make. He seemed riled up by not getting a foul moments earlier.
Sadly, that's exactly what I thought the instant he made the challenge. He'll be missed though, for sure.
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 22, 2019, 04:56:45 PM
Good it's possible he'll still be able to play a part in the run in but important we don't hype him up to be a saviour when he returns, probably won't fully get back up to speed until August in any case.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 22, 2019, 05:37:49 PM
How many people on here, WITHOUT the 20:20 hindsight, wanted McGinn left out yesterday? Where were the posts on the pre-match thread to that effect?To be fair, people have been saying he should have been rested weeks ago.
Yes. It's not hindsight at all. Go back a few pages in this very thread, 'itmustbe'.
Post by: AsTallAsLions on December 22, 2019, 05:39:18 PM
Not necessarily in the minority. "Smith out" is just noisier . H and V isn't necessarily reflective of the Villa support as a whole.
FWIW I agree with you.
How many people on here, WITHOUT the 20:20 hindsight, wanted McGinn left out yesterday? Where were the posts on the pre-match thread to that effect?
Blaming Smith for McGinn's injury is like blaming Bernard Matthews for your turkey being overcooked.
That logic doesn't even nearly follow. Stupid analogy.
Post by: Ian. on December 22, 2019, 06:02:07 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 22, 2019, 08:16:01 PM
Post by: themossman on December 22, 2019, 08:20:06 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 22, 2019, 08:22:02 PM
Post by: Luke8 on December 22, 2019, 08:25:39 PM
I don’t think 4 3 3 is getting the best out of him,
It’s not really getting the best out of many of our players at the moment.
Post by: themossman on December 22, 2019, 08:34:08 PM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on December 22, 2019, 09:00:30 PM
Considering we had the luxury of getting promoted with two players who were immediately talked up as 50m + targets for manu, we’ve done quite well to play them both out of position and reduce their threat to the opposition.
Ha ha,🤣, that’s good but so sad at the same time
Post by: Villafirst on January 31, 2020, 11:16:07 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 31, 2020, 11:44:11 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2020, 11:58:04 PM
Post by: OzVilla on February 01, 2020, 12:32:47 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 01, 2020, 02:38:58 AM
Post by: purpletrousers on February 01, 2020, 05:46:31 AM
Isn't it just as likely to be moved to the midweek before the final? It can't be the midweek after as Sheffield Utd have an FA Cup game.We’d not accept that surely?
Post by: Ads on February 01, 2020, 11:45:22 AM
Post by: CT on February 01, 2020, 02:39:45 PM
Come on SJM!
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 01, 2020, 03:00:03 PM
Isn't it just as likely to be moved to the midweek before the final? It can't be the midweek after as Sheffield Utd have an FA Cup game.We’d not accept that surely?
Why? Game has to be played sometime. May as well be played before the League Cup Final as before a vital league game. Plus Man City have Real Madrid on the Wednesday so us playing midweek wouldn't be the worst thing ever, especially if it was on the Tuesday.
Post by: Richard on February 01, 2020, 05:52:26 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 01, 2020, 05:59:11 PM
Perhaps in April sometime. I read if Man. United make semi final of FA cup that will get moved to a midweek so perhaps if Sheffield United are out of the cup by then we could slot that fixture in whatever weekend it is.
Otherwise playing it just after Palace at home could be the best bet.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2020, 06:14:59 PM
Post by: Nastylee on February 02, 2020, 10:04:17 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 02, 2020, 10:25:38 AM
Post by: olaftab on February 02, 2020, 10:32:47 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 02, 2020, 10:42:21 AM
6 weeks at best plus match fitness.After the boot? Ah, shit.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2020, 10:58:42 AM
Post by: ROBBO on February 02, 2020, 11:28:08 AM
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2020, 03:54:00 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 03, 2020, 05:25:54 PM
My wholly uneducated guess is that he'll be back sometime mid-April around the time of the Liverpool and Man U games.
Yeah, 2021 knowing our luck.
Post by: Ugo on February 03, 2020, 06:55:02 PM
A genuinely all round nice guy.
He said “a couple of months” before he is back.
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2020, 08:07:23 PM
My wholly uneducated guess is that he'll be back sometime mid-April around the time of the Liverpool and Man U games.
Yeah, 2021 knowing our luck.
That would mean we'd stayed up, no disrespect to SJM but I'll take that kind of luck! ;)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2020, 10:51:46 PM
He was singing autographs/posing for selfies/speaking to Villa fans friends on the phone for a long, long time just in front of the Digbeth Dining section before last Tuesday’s semi. He happily posed for a selfie with my 9 year old, proudly wearing her Villa shirt.
A genuinely all round nice guy.
He said “a couple of months” before he is back.
Does he have a good voice and what was his preferred choice of song?
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2020, 11:45:12 PM
Post by: Ugo on February 04, 2020, 07:28:04 AM
I know he's quite little but, even so, surprised a nine year old girl's shirt fits him.Ha, quite. She wasn’t a million miles of his height at all.
Post by: Villa Lew on February 11, 2020, 09:43:45 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 11, 2020, 10:35:36 AM
Daily Mail are saying Villa hope he'll be fit for the Newcastle game on 21 March.
Man getting him back could be difference to staying up. Hurry back big john!
Post by: Villan82 on February 11, 2020, 10:43:56 AM
Post by: Ads on February 11, 2020, 12:43:20 PM
Post by: john e on February 11, 2020, 03:10:06 PM
Daily Mail are saying Villa hope he'll be fit for the Newcastle game on 21 March.
Man getting him back could be difference to staying up. Hurry back big john!
agree with you
I reckon if he hadn’t got injured we might have 2/3 more points on the board that’s how important he is to us
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 11, 2020, 04:16:09 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 11, 2020, 04:31:22 PM
we could win 3 of the 8 games with SJM , lets try and get an extra 6 pts on the board before the magpies game . . Its still possible we can do this .
Why say "It's still possible" like it's some Herculean task when we're not even in the bottom three?
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 11, 2020, 06:33:39 PM
we could win 3 of the 8 games with SJM , lets try and get an extra 6 pts on the board before the magpies game . . Its still possible we can do this .
Why say "It's still possible" like it's some Herculean task when we're not even in the bottom three?
Yep
Post by: robbo1874 on February 12, 2020, 07:59:06 AM
only by 1 point though we’re not in the bottom 3.we could win 3 of the 8 games with SJM , lets try and get an extra 6 pts on the board before the magpies game . . Its still possible we can do this .
Why say "It's still possible" like it's some Herculean task when we're not even in the bottom three?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 12, 2020, 11:06:27 AM
only by 1 point though we’re not in the bottom 3.we could win 3 of the 8 games with SJM , lets try and get an extra 6 pts on the board before the magpies game . . Its still possible we can do this .
Why say "It's still possible" like it's some Herculean task when we're not even in the bottom three?
Then that would mean those currently in the bottom 3 would also have to produce form above a Herculean task, wouldn't it?
Post by: OCD on February 12, 2020, 12:08:18 PM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on February 12, 2020, 01:18:15 PM
We're in a 5-team mini league and we just have to get one of the spots in the top 3 of that mini league. Hardly Herculean.I'm confused - if 3rd out of the 5 in this mini league is that not 3rd from bottom and relegation?
Post by: chrisw1 on February 12, 2020, 01:22:37 PM
I'm guessing Norwich aren't in the mini league?We're in a 5-team mini league and we just have to get one of the spots in the top 3 of that mini league. Hardly Herculean.I'm confused - if 3rd out of the 5 in this mini league is that not 3rd from bottom and relegation?
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on February 12, 2020, 01:25:06 PM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on February 12, 2020, 01:28:10 PM
Post by: Ugo on February 13, 2020, 09:39:30 PM
Sky Sports News presenting it as McGinn “could” be back for the Cup Final.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on February 13, 2020, 10:10:33 PM
Deal?
Post by: andyh on February 13, 2020, 10:13:40 PM
Dean Smith saying McGinn “would” love to be back for the Cup Final and he is running on grass with no pain but also said he “would” love to be back for all big games.To be fair, Smith didn’t say he is running on grass.
Sky Sports News presenting it as McGinn “could” be back for the Cup Final.
He said he is running on the ‘g machine’ and could soon be out on the grass.
Post by: darren woolley on February 14, 2020, 12:25:14 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 14, 2020, 12:26:00 PM
Dean Smith saying McGinn “would” love to be back for the Cup Final and he is running on grass with no pain but also said he “would” love to be back for all big games.To be fair, Smith didn’t say he is running on grass.
Sky Sports News presenting it as McGinn “could” be back for the Cup Final.
He said he is running on the ‘g machine’ and could soon be out on the grass.
Isn't that what astronauts use? The centrifugal force gravity thingy?
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 14, 2020, 06:07:00 PM
Dean Smith saying McGinn “would” love to be back for the Cup Final and he is running on grass with no pain but also said he “would” love to be back for all big games.To be fair, Smith didn’t say he is running on grass.
Sky Sports News presenting it as McGinn “could” be back for the Cup Final.
He said he is running on the ‘g machine’ and could soon be out on the grass.
Isn't that what astronauts use? The centrifugal force gravity thingy?
On his day SJM is out of this world !
Post by: Villa Lew on February 15, 2020, 05:16:01 PM
Post by: manic-road on February 15, 2020, 06:48:42 PM
Only caught the very end of it, The Duke of Cambridge was interviewing John McGinn on Sky.
Yes the prince was declaring his undying love for Tyrone during the interview from John.
Post by: JJ-AV on February 20, 2020, 08:26:58 AM
I do like the 3-4-3 system but McGinn and Luiz are are two best CMs and I think a third-man (Nakamba or Conor) would suit them better and allow them to break forward.
Post by: walsall villain on February 20, 2020, 08:38:40 AM
Does anyone think we'll go back to 4 at the back when McGinn returns?I think we may well and I think it would be a good thing if he can get back to his best quickly.
I do like the 3-4-3 system but McGinn and Luiz are are two best CMs and I think a third-man (Nakamba or Conor) would suit them better and allow them to break forward.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 20, 2020, 10:14:26 AM
Will also help grealish as we wont have ti rely so heavily in him.
Post by: Lizz on February 20, 2020, 10:29:33 PM
Only caught the very end of it, The Duke of Cambridge was interviewing John McGinn on Sky.
Yes the prince was declaring his undying love for Tyrone during the interview from John.
Just seen it on Twitter.
Post by: Ads on February 22, 2020, 11:43:48 AM
Post by: paul_e on February 22, 2020, 12:23:32 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 22, 2020, 12:24:06 PM
Important not to put too much expectation on him although he will probably pop up with a key goal in the run in.
Post by: Risso on February 22, 2020, 02:44:08 PM
Wonder if he'll be involved for the final, I can see him getting a spot on the bench if the week goes well.
I hope not. Use the two weeks to get his fitness up and make sure he's not rushed back. Even with McGinn, I think Man City will have too much for us, and I'd hate him to have a setback and miss league games. He could be the difference between staying up and going down.
Post by: Luke8 on February 23, 2020, 12:20:13 AM
Does anyone think we'll go back to 4 at the back when McGinn returns?
I do like the 3-4-3 system but McGinn and Luiz are are two best CMs and I think a third-man (Nakamba or Conor) would suit them better and allow them to break forward.
Based on the performance of our midfield recently, I reckon as soon as John can stand on one leg he will be back in the middle with another two alongside him.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 23, 2020, 12:22:36 AM
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Post by: N'ZMAV on February 23, 2020, 08:48:27 PM
Post by: OzVilla on February 23, 2020, 08:51:42 PM
We need McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle. Grealish off the striker. Fuck the wide shite like AEG and Trez off. They're not up for it.
Agree with this, we also need to use Hourihane more from the bench. AEG is too inconsistent and Trez, well I’ve yet to see what the point of him is. A nothing player.
Post by: Richard E on February 23, 2020, 08:53:07 PM
Post by: Brassneck on February 23, 2020, 08:56:36 PM
We need McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle. Grealish off the striker. Fuck the wide shite like AEG and Trez off. They're not up for it.
This for me as well. The 2 wing backs need to cover the entire width.
I also think you should play to your strengths. For me, this is to start Jack in his best position and build the team around it. Invairiably this would mean him cutting in from the left but it also frees him to get involved if we're coming down the right.
On Saturdsy, I looked at our right hand side and wondered why Southampton bothered defending when we got the ball ther - It was noticeably less serious than when we attacked down the left with Jack.
Post by: Pat McMahon on February 23, 2020, 09:49:23 PM
We need McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle. Grealish off the striker. Fuck the wide shite like AEG and Trez off. They're not up for it.
If I could bring in two players from days gone by to beef up our team it would be Milner and Young. Wide players who could provide a decent service but who worked like trojans when out of possession. A big contrast to our current wide men.
Interestingly on the interminable bus journey after the game we were chatting to a lovely Southampton fan and his son. They were amazed at how shit we were, but thought Samatta “showed promise” and Trezeguet was the only one who looked dangerous in the 2nd half. They reckoned he was robbed on one occasion when going past the left sided defender (Stevens?) he was clearly pulled back for what should have been a yellow and the ref waved play on.
Post by: ROBBO on February 23, 2020, 11:00:58 PM
Post by: David_Nab on February 23, 2020, 11:10:33 PM
His form was a worry before he got injured and I put that down to the fact he was playing a more defensive role when he is more valuable further forward, thought Smith was to blame for that.
Was carrying an injury as well
Post by: themossman on February 23, 2020, 11:19:14 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 24, 2020, 08:49:23 AM
He’s not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.
He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.
We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.
Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.
Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen
Post by: Richard on February 24, 2020, 08:58:11 AM
He’s not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.
He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.
We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.
Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.
Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen
Who's your other player in this system mate ?
Post by: Taylor on February 24, 2020, 09:12:50 AM
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on February 24, 2020, 09:24:31 AM
It was pretty incredible last season how Jack hit the ground running after a long lay off, with no requirement for him to be ‘eased in’. We pretty much need John to do the same.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 24, 2020, 09:54:37 AM
He’s not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.
He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.
We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.
Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.
Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen
Who's your other player in this system mate ?
Id maybe consider hourihane or lansbury. Both have given much less game time than trez and AEG. Both tend to perform better as subs.
If davis was fight id start him onbthe shoulder. I mean other ootion is play 4-4-2. If baston is cup tied give vassilev a go. He looked very good on his fww appearances he made.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 24, 2020, 09:59:59 AM
And no width whatsoever? Interesting idea.He’s not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.
He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.
We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.
Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.
Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen
Post by: Demitri_C on February 24, 2020, 10:21:50 AM
And no width whatsoever? Interesting idea.He’s not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.
He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.
We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.
Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.
Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen
So basicalky same tactics when aeg and trez are there
Post by: chrisw1 on February 24, 2020, 10:36:12 AM
That's hardly a defence of an unworkable formation. At least with 3 at the back there's more chance for the fullbacks to get forward and provide some width.And no width whatsoever? Interesting idea.He’s not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.
He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.
We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.
Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.
Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen
So basicalky same tactics when aeg and trez are there
Post by: Demitri_C on February 24, 2020, 11:09:21 AM
That's hardly a defence of an unworkable formation. At least with 3 at the back there's more chance for the fullbacks to get forward and provide some width.And no width whatsoever? Interesting idea.He’s not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.
He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.
We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.
Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.
Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen
So basicalky same tactics when aeg and trez are there
Width is over rated. Conor can drift in and out on the left as well. Targett and guikbert like to get forward so you have width.
Our width is absolutely non existent anyway
Post by: LukeJames on February 24, 2020, 11:23:30 AM
Post by: Drummond on February 24, 2020, 11:29:32 AM
We need McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle. Grealish off the striker. Fuck the wide shite like AEG and Trez off. They're not up for it.
Agree with this, we also need to use Hourihane more from the bench. AEG is too inconsistent and Trez, well I’ve yet to see what the point of him is. A nothing player.
Apart from scoring the goal that got us to the League Cup Final and the goal that gave us the lead against Liverpool.
Post by: Mister E on February 24, 2020, 11:37:23 AM
Yep. 3 at the back is supposed to work on the basis of highly- energetic wingbacks providing the width whilst the 3 in the middle compact the centre of the park.That's hardly a defence of an unworkable formation. At least with 3 at the back there's more chance for the fullbacks to get forward and provide some width.And no width whatsoever? Interesting idea.He’s not going to make one jot of difference to our absurdly shit defensive record. But he will give us a better chance of outscoring teams. Him and jack getting up the pitch with Samatta should cause some damage.
He will if we revert back to four at the back. Im sorry but this five at the back has been a utter failure. Why smith still persists with this garbage formation he will relegate us.
We look even worse. My opinion is lets go back to when enegls and mings were at cb with targett and guilbert at rb.
Nakamba luiz and mcginn in cm with jack behind the striker.
Dump bloody trez and aeg both utter shit and should be sold in the summer. Between them and jota what terrible business them three hav ebeen
So basicalky same tactics when aeg and trez are there
Post by: Risso on February 24, 2020, 12:48:26 PM
We need McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle. Grealish off the striker. Fuck the wide shite like AEG and Trez off. They're not up for it.
Agree with this, we also need to use Hourihane more from the bench. AEG is too inconsistent and Trez, well I’ve yet to see what the point of him is. A nothing player.
Apart from scoring the goal that got us to the League Cup Final and the goal that gave us the lead against Liverpool.
Slim pickings though really. He's been hugely disappointing.
Post by: SamTheMouse on February 24, 2020, 01:00:37 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 24, 2020, 01:04:28 PM
Even when McGinn returns, Hourihane has to start games for me. Despite his shortcomings, the lad knows where the net is.He does. But when he's not taking set pieces it's like playing with 10 men.
Post by: LeeB on February 24, 2020, 01:55:20 PM
Even when McGinn returns, Hourihane has to start games for me. Despite his shortcomings, the lad knows where the net is.He does. But when he's not taking set pieces it's like playing with 10 men.
I know but when you have the most fouled player in the league, it would be useful to have someone that can make that pay.
It's things like that that will be the difference between going down and staying up.
Post by: Luke8 on February 24, 2020, 02:14:04 PM
Even when McGinn returns, Hourihane has to start games for me. Despite his shortcomings, the lad knows where the net is.He does. But when he's not taking set pieces it's like playing with 10 men.
I know but when you have the most fouled player in the league, it would be useful to have someone that can make that pay.
It's things like that that will be the difference between going down and staying up.
I think that would require a change back to three central midfielders though. I don’t think Hourihane gets around the pitch enough and games bypass him too much to play as one of two midfielders.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 24, 2020, 02:24:17 PM
We need McGinn, Luiz and Nakamba in the middle. Grealish off the striker. Fuck the wide shite like AEG and Trez off. They're not up for it.
Agree with this, we also need to use Hourihane more from the bench. AEG is too inconsistent and Trez, well I’ve yet to see what the point of him is. A nothing player.
Apart from scoring the goal that got us to the League Cup Final and the goal that gave us the lead against Liverpool.
Name 5 other games where has been brilliant for us? Or even name 3 games where was excellent for the whole game? He has been a terriblw signing for me. The goals dont hide the fact he has been a massive disappointment
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 24, 2020, 02:31:31 PM
Post by: Mister E on February 24, 2020, 02:39:16 PM
The idea that you need 3 at the back to have attacking full backs.No - of course you don't need to have 3 at the back to have attacking full backs; you can play a back four and have attacking fullbacks, as long as someone in midfield or wide is covering for them when they are on the rampage down the wing. Earlier in the season, we found that AEG and - to a much larger extent - Trez were not covering very well.
The idea that you need 3 at the back to have full backs providing width is bollocks.The point is that if you have 3 at the back it gives more scope for attacking fullbacks; which means that it is more sensible to play 3 in the middle.
Liverpool do it very well, with AA and Robertson. SheffU do it pretty well with Baldock and our very own Enda Stevens.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 24, 2020, 02:42:34 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 24, 2020, 03:31:20 PM
Even when McGinn returns, Hourihane has to start games for me. Despite his shortcomings, the lad knows where the net is.He does. But when he's not taking set pieces it's like playing with 10 men.
I know but when you have the most fouled player in the league, it would be useful to have someone that can make that pay.
It's things like that that will be the difference between going down and staying up.
I think that would require a change back to three central midfielders though. I don’t think Hourihane gets around the pitch enough and games bypass him too much to play as one of two midfielders.
I agree, and I think we need to do it as having a back three at present is not making us tight. We may as well carry Hourihane just to have him there for for set piece/edge of box threat than another defender.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 02, 2020, 10:34:38 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/03/02/aston-villas-survival-fight-handed-boost-john-mcginn-targets/
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 02, 2020, 10:39:56 PM
Post by: Ads on March 06, 2020, 06:25:53 PM
Post by: LeeB on March 06, 2020, 09:52:49 PM
Back in full training by the looks of it. Nope, correction, not in full contact yet.
They need to make sure the rest of the squad are ready first.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 06, 2020, 11:05:01 PM
John Percy saying that he's looking at Newcastle on 21st March for his return. I'd copy it here but it's behind their paywall.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/03/02/aston-villas-survival-fight-handed-boost-john-mcginn-targets/
Game cancelled so Wolves it is.
Fancy him to get the winner v Man. United in the run in.
Post by: kieron on March 06, 2020, 11:34:41 PM
Is the return of McGinn really going to get us out of the mire?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 07, 2020, 12:51:21 AM
I know "it's the hope that always kills ya", but, genuine question:
Is the return of McGinn really going to get us out of the mire?
Nobody can know for definite, but we've been desperate for energy, drive and goal-threat in his absence. Like Grealish and Mings, he's become fundamental to our play. Him just being on the pitch will make a big difference to us.
Post by: Goldie.7 on March 07, 2020, 01:04:17 AM
I know "it's the hope that always kills ya", but, genuine question:
Is the return of McGinn really going to get us out of the mire?
Well, if you whitewash his last 9 or 10 pre-injury performances (which were mostly dire) and conveniently act like he wasn't playing when we lost to 10-man Arsenal, as well as factoring in a little extra delusional logic that he's somehow going to be a completely different player after a long absence out, then yes, he's going to save us.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 07, 2020, 01:45:24 AM
He will add some energy to the midfield for sure but that is not enough.
To have him available off the bench will be a boost.
Post by: KevinGage on March 07, 2020, 02:15:35 AM
I know "it's the hope that always kills ya", but, genuine question:
Is the return of McGinn really going to get us out of the mire?
Another way to look at it:
A fit again McGinn means no Drinkwater.
Not carrying that doofus must boost our survival hopes exponentially.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 07, 2020, 02:55:51 AM
I think he will play Drinkwater unless he has Gironde back on the piss.I know "it's the hope that always kills ya", but, genuine question:
Is the return of McGinn really going to get us out of the mire?
Another way to look at it:
A fit again McGinn means no Drinkwater.
Not carrying that doofus must boost our survival hopes exponentially.
Post by: Malandro on March 07, 2020, 07:17:43 AM
I think he will play Drinkwater unless he has Gironde back on the piss.I know "it's the hope that always kills ya", but, genuine question:
Is the return of McGinn really going to get us out of the mire?
Another way to look at it:
A fit again McGinn means no Drinkwater.
Not carrying that doofus must boost our survival hopes exponentially.
I hate that estuary accent.
Post by: JJ-AV on March 07, 2020, 07:32:27 AM
Post by: Mister E on March 07, 2020, 07:41:27 AM
At least it's claretI think he will play Drinkwater unless he has Gironde back on the piss.I know "it's the hope that always kills ya", but, genuine question:
Is the return of McGinn really going to get us out of the mire?
Another way to look at it:
A fit again McGinn means no Drinkwater.
Not carrying that doofus must boost our survival hopes exponentially.
I hate that estuary accent.
Post by: Ads on March 07, 2020, 07:50:56 AM
He came back and had a huge impact from his brief absence last season. Had an impact at the Sty, brilliant at Forest and on from there.
He seems to be straining at his lead to get back to it. It may take a bit of time to get back to the pace for 90 minutes, but there's no question that his return will improve us.
No individual is going to save us, it's a collective effort. A work rate like Sunday, a belief in adversity not to become brittle, defend solidly and protect the goal to a handful of chances even against the very best. A player as good as McGinn will only help.
Only the most dour and po faced assessment of his return would deny the benefits of McGinn (who?) Super John McGinn and his passing, running and Gareth Barry backsides likely impact on us.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 07, 2020, 11:48:00 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 07, 2020, 12:00:16 PM
If yo remember at the start when he was playing well we had one of Luiz/Nakamba as the DM, McGinn as box to box, Jack as number 10 and also played two wide players.
Left far too much ground to cover. I'd be interested to see how he goes playing ahead of two central midfielders.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 07, 2020, 12:09:34 PM
For most of the season I actually think he's been asked to do too much.completely agree.
If yo remember at the start when he was playing well we had one of Luiz/Nakamba as the DM, McGinn as box to box, Jack as number 10 and also played two wide players.
Left far too much ground to cover. I'd be interested to see how he goes playing ahead of two central midfielders.
Post by: Risso on March 07, 2020, 12:34:07 PM
GK
Gilbert Engels Mings Targett
Nakamba Luiz
El Ghazi McGinn Jack
Samatta
If El Ghazi reverts to massive fanny mode, stick Elmo in instead.
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 07, 2020, 01:18:54 PM
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
Grealish
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
Post by: Clampy on March 07, 2020, 01:40:01 PM
I'd go with:
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
Grealish
McGinn
McGinn
McGinn
How ridiculous. You haven't named him as sub.
Post by: Pat Mustard on March 07, 2020, 01:41:11 PM
I think when he's back I'd go
GK
Gilbert Engels Mings Targett
Nakamba Luiz
El Ghazi McGinn Jack
Samatta
If El Ghazi reverts to massive fanny mode, stick Elmo in instead.
That would be my team, apart from starting Hourihane instead of Luiz - Luiz seems to offer more coming off the bench, and Hourihane’s set pieces could be vital.
Post by: Steve67 on March 09, 2020, 11:07:37 PM
Crying out for McGinn in that midfield ..Smith has a dilemma now weather to bring him in for minutes v Chelsea or hold him back.
The rest of midfield is just so up and down and lacking energy and drive that it will be a super uplift whenever he comes in
Before he got injured, he was struggling with form. Hopefully the rest has done him some good. We do need him back, even if it's just to replace the heavily over-rated Douglas Luiz and Hologram.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2020, 11:18:04 PM
He's a stark contrast and a level above anything currently in the squad.
And also I think his slump in form was due to the injury he sustained with Scotland and needed a break
I for one cannot wait and think he can be a saviour
My lordy we need something !
Post by: chrisw1 on March 10, 2020, 05:36:40 PM
We just need you to come back at 100%, playe every minute of the last 10 games, single handedly turn the recent shit show into a winning team and keep us up. Then persuade your mate Jack to sign a new 5 year contract.
Sort this and we'll buy you some chips.
Cheers mate.
Post by: Rigadon on March 10, 2020, 07:18:59 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on March 10, 2020, 10:18:25 PM
He needs to come back and have the same impact Jack had on the last 10 games of last season.
Spooky timing
Post by: Small Rodent on March 11, 2020, 12:30:01 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2020, 07:34:11 PM
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Post by: Steve67 on March 12, 2020, 07:38:01 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 12, 2020, 07:38:35 PM
Wishful thinking.
Post by: aj2k77 on March 12, 2020, 09:22:11 PM
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2020, 09:43:51 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 12, 2020, 11:38:54 PM
Back in full training.
(https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p960x960/89263422_3090893774288004_2194706972333309952_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=-VBZFRHbtmsAX87O8Uf&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=a4ab4fb41680bd8f1d9d01f4df1afbe5&oe=5E8F7043)
I've bloody missed that little guy 🥰
Post by: ROBBO on March 13, 2020, 04:24:02 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 13, 2020, 11:16:22 AM
Post by: Smithy on March 13, 2020, 11:22:49 AM
Post by: mallo on March 13, 2020, 11:23:04 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 13, 2020, 11:27:52 AM
Post by: olaftab on March 13, 2020, 11:35:04 AM
Post by: postal on March 13, 2020, 11:46:42 AM
Something good always comes out of bad😊
Do you mean the postponement of games? If so, it will help him get ready for when the games get back on.
Post by: manic-road on March 13, 2020, 12:00:31 PM
With the league suspended, at least we know he'll come back fully fit for the last 10 games!
As long as Drinkwater doesn't lay the nut on him and puts him out again.
Post by: eamonn on March 18, 2020, 09:10:18 AM
Something good always comes out of bad😊
Is that from a song?
Post by: itbrvilla on March 31, 2020, 08:21:48 AM
Don't ask. I just stumbled across it at r/AVFC on reddit.
Post by: not3bad on April 28, 2020, 10:35:40 AM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/mcginn-nufc-takeover-aston-villa-18135652
Post by: wolfman999 on April 28, 2020, 11:09:09 AM
???!!!??
https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/mcginn-nufc-takeover-aston-villa-18135652
Exactly what I thought when trying to open this link.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 28, 2020, 11:11:41 AM
Post by: LeeB on April 28, 2020, 12:10:10 PM
Just our friendly local newspaper being supportive as usual. Don't bother searching for it, don't give the twats the click they don't deserve. I'd be happy if we refused to allow them access to the stadium when we get up and running again.
Too right, sort your sorry arse click bait bullshit out before you're treated to the kind of access given to genuine news outlets.
Post by: Drummond on April 28, 2020, 12:17:13 PM
Just our friendly local newspaper being supportive as usual. Don't bother searching for it, don't give the twats the click they don't deserve. I'd be happy if we refused to allow them access to the stadium when we get up and running again.
Too right, sort your sorry arse click bait bullshit out before you're treated to the kind of access given to genuine news outlets.
Thirded.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 11, 2020, 09:59:14 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 21, 2020, 01:09:47 PM
Can we confirm he was at training
Post by: Drummond on May 21, 2020, 01:59:51 PM
Is any truth in the rumour that fits with McGinn being the player with asthma ?!
Can we confirm he was at training
Probably just a ruse. Poor attitude, he should play on regardless.
Post by: nigel on May 21, 2020, 04:26:03 PM
???!!!??
https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/mcginn-nufc-takeover-aston-villa-18135652
Exactly what I thought when trying to open this link.
I don’t know why people post a link then change it because they don’t like where it’s come from. Do they not realise that nobody can open it?
Might just as well post a blank sheet!
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 21, 2020, 04:50:32 PM
???!!!??
https://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/mcginn-nufc-takeover-aston-villa-18135652
Exactly what I thought when trying to open this link.
I don’t know why people post a link then change it because they don’t like where it’s come from. Do they not realise that nobody can open it?
Might just as well post a blank sheet!
It's the H&V word filter in action. Birmingham Mail link, I assume.
Post by: JD on May 22, 2020, 07:00:49 AM
Is any truth in the rumour that fits with McGinn being the player with asthma ?!
Can we confirm he was at training
Probably just a ruse. Poor attitude, he should play on regardless.
Agree Drummond. Great post, made me laugh.
Post by: Drummond on May 22, 2020, 09:47:26 AM
I always expecting some adult content .
Like one of those pornographers site where there are a lot of X's .
X rated context .
Filth.
Ah, so you're disappointed then? ;)
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 22, 2020, 03:28:10 PM
Is he still not able to kick a ball or is he self isolating due to underlying health conditions?
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 22, 2020, 04:46:22 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 22, 2020, 04:48:08 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 22, 2020, 08:50:37 PM
That's good to hear ,good info cheers !
He's a local reporter isn't he so think he has some know and a villa supporter .
Super McGinni being fit is such a plus
Glad to be of service, footy.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 24, 2020, 10:46:00 AM
Hopefully Mings and Grealish will be well rested too.
Post by: aj2k77 on May 24, 2020, 11:43:31 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 24, 2020, 12:47:37 PM
And whoever we sign in the summer transfer window
Similar could be said for Heaton. Don't forget steer .
Reina and Nyland hold the gloves at the moment.
Plenty of choice now in both departments and be interesting to see who goes on
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 24, 2020, 01:04:17 PM
No Heaton or Moraes as we withdrew them from our named 25 man squad.
Which is another reason to be pissed off. The rules can be changed regarding the end of the season and player contracts, but not squad names.
Post by: LeeB on May 24, 2020, 01:07:20 PM
No Heaton or Moraes as we withdrew them from our named 25 man squad.
Which is another reason to be pissed off. The rules can be changed regarding the end of the season and player contracts, but not squad names.
Come on Dave, we must protect the integrity of the league as long as it doesn't get in the way of making money.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2020, 01:53:17 PM
No Heaton or Moraes as we withdrew them from our named 25 man squad.
Which is another reason to be pissed off. The rules can be changed regarding the end of the season and player contracts, but not squad names.
Yep it’s just stupid.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 24, 2020, 01:58:13 PM
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Post by: Risso on May 26, 2020, 05:26:49 PM
I think I’ve read Somewhere that even if Heaton was fit, he wouldn’t be allowed to play now, as we took him out of the 25.
Yep, same with Wesley. However, whether the Premier League can insist on squad lists being adhered to given that the season as a whole should be finished now is another thing. Another thing they'll get wrong I expect.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 26, 2020, 05:32:41 PM
Premier League set to relax rules as it aims for resumption in June
Lifting squad-size edict and 29-game completed season among options
Clubs would have six weeks to complete their remaining nine or ten fixtures under a June start
Clubs would have six weeks to complete their remaining nine or ten fixtures under a June start
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Jonathan Northcroft, Football correspondent
Sunday March 29 2020, 2.01am, The Sunday Times
Restrictions on Premier League squads could be lifted as part of emergency measures to help clubs finish the season.
The proposal is one of several likely to be discussed at the Premier League’s next meeting, which will be held via conference call on Friday, as owners consider ways to conclude the 2019-20 campaign.
There is acceptance that the present plan to resume after April 30 will be impossible to implement because of the pandemic and that the “best-case scenario” — in the words of one chairman — is a resumption at the start of June, leaving teams six weeks to complete their remaining nine or ten fixtures by July 16. This is regarded as a significant deadline because it is when the present season’s broadcast
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 26, 2020, 05:57:06 PM
I think I’ve read Somewhere that even if Heaton was fit, he wouldn’t be allowed to play now, as we took him out of the 25.
Yep, same with Wesley. However, whether the Premier League can insist on squad lists being adhered to given that the season as a whole should be finished now is another thing. Another thing they'll get wrong I expect.
It’s daft isn’t it. You can’t hold clubs to a squad decision made in January, with a view to a season finishing in May, and at the same time be allowing contracts to be extended beyond their original expiry date.
Post by: Mister E on May 28, 2020, 12:56:11 PM
Post by: Mister E on May 28, 2020, 01:55:00 PM
Quote from: Grauniad
John McGinn scored the goal that secured Aston Villa’s promotion last season, then he opened their account in the Premier League and now, after recovering from a broken ankle, he says he is raring to save Villa from relegation when the season restarts.
He was due to return to action against Chelsea in March but that match was postponed when the league was paused. Since then McGinn, like everyone else, has been playing a waiting game.
“It’s coming up to six months since my last game so I’m choking to get out there,” says the Scot, whose enterprise from midfield was sorely missed by Villa after his injury against Southampton in December. The club’s problems deepened 10 days later when they lost another two influential players, Tom Heaton and Wesley, to damaged cruciate ligaments.
Although deeply frustrated at being forced to watch from the sidelines as his team slipped into the relegation zone, McGinn says his sympathy for the misfortunes of others made sure he never felt too sorry for himself even before the pain inflicted on so many by Covid-19.
“I got injured two days after the team Christmas visits to the Acorns Hospice and the Children’s Hospital,” he says. “It is something I won’t forget. It is something which brings you right back down to earth and you realise the things these families are going through. How tough it is for them. ”
Now that Premier League clubs have been given the go-ahead to resume contact training, McGinn detects “light at the end of the tunnel” and says he is looking forward to playing “as soon as it is safe to do so”. Villa sit 19th in the table but have a game in hand on everyone else in the bottom half. They face a particularly tough schedule, with most of their remaining 10 matches against the top teams.
Villa’s survival could depend on their ability to make the best of the league’s disruption, using the hiatus to do work that would not have been possible in a normal season. The task of staying up has been complicated by having to mould a team rapidly after signing more than a dozen players following promotion to the top flight.
“I thought that before the lockdown we were showing small signs of progression,” says McGinn. “It’s not easy when you sign a lot of new players. They have to adapt to the country and the lifestyle first and foremost and then try to gel as a team.”
During the lockdown Dean Smith staged regular analysis sessions with the squad over Zoom, and for the last fortnight the players have enjoyed solo attention at the training ground.
“We’ve been working on weaknesses individually that you don’t always get the chance to do,” says McGinn. “In football the pressure is obviously on results and when games are coming thick and fast you focus on the team. But during this period we’ve had to do individual work. So that’s a positive in a way but we’ve got to implement it now.
“We all know we’ve not had a great season really in the league but we still have the opportunity to finish strongly and make sure that no matter what, we keep Villa in the league.”
He knows Villa will have to get accustomed quickly to playing in eerie surrounds. “It’s going to be odd,” he says. “A lot of the lads are used to playing at a full Villa Park and other packed stadiums and thriving off the atmosphere and using that adrenaline you get as a football player.
“But nothing is going to be straightforward now, whether that’s in football or even just going to the shops. You have to queue up to get into supermarkets. None of it is ideal but we all just have to try and adapt as best as we can. We’re no different. In an ideal world we would love to have the support of our fans and the supporters would all love to be there but it’s not ideal at the minute and the powers that be will decide when it’s safe to do so. When that moment comes it will be even more special than before.”
He has been encouraged by the way the Bundesliga has returned. “I’ve been watching most of it,” he says. “It’s been good and quite refreshing to see. I think they have adapted to it quite well. It’s very odd hearing the echo, especially in the bigger stadiums, but they have dealt with it quite well.
Aston Villa’s John McGinn scores the winner against Derby last May
“Even watching Dortmund v Bayern Munich [on Tuesday], the standard is still so good. I’m sure if we can adapt to it as quickly and as easily as possible we can keep the same standard as when the fans were in.”
Villa can also take heart from the example of their own form last season, when they went on a 10-match winning streak to make a late surge into the play-offs, a run that set the stage for McGinn’s winning goal against Derby County in the play-off final. “We’ve got to use that experience,” he says. “We’re not naive enough to think we can go and win 10 in a row in the Premier League but if we can get that sort of confidence and belief we can get Villa out of this situation we’re in. We’re just inside the relegation zone at the minute but we’re more than capable of getting out of it and it’s in our own hands.”
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 28, 2020, 02:01:21 PM
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Post by: cdbearsfan on June 06, 2020, 07:07:28 PM
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Post by: Footy-Vill on June 15, 2020, 01:37:10 PM
I do fancy him to start but now thinking with the match on Sunday and the extended break that he won't do a whole 90 either time?
I'm also worried he'll get injured if he does and even just coming back playing there is a risk.
The Man has so much drive, energy and such a great dynamic to the villa midfield and team . I can't wait to see him back playing just want Villa to be sensible with him.
I've been reading and get the impression he's been encouraged to constantly be a nuisance to the opposition with his closing down , pressing using his enthusiasm to good measure. Like Jamie Vardy it's been said.
I think this is something that Smith has said for him to look to emulate in giving performance and always being involved and a problem to the opponent.
It's clearly a strength of SJM his attacking play and Smith has sounded like he's encouraging more of it.
I totally think he'll score if he's selected on Wednesday from that start and hope he gets decent minutes.
I imagine he'll want to play the whole game but Smith has to be wise to know that is not realistic.
We are going to have to see how best to utilise him for the match. Be it he starts or from the bench.
Post by: Steve67 on June 15, 2020, 04:27:27 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 16, 2020, 12:20:23 AM
And he has to get to a level to retain that fitness .
Maybe he could even play a full 90 on Wednesday and Sunday but then he'll start experiencing fatigue and struggle v Newcastle.
The ideal way would be to play him for an hour slowly build it up and again Vs Chelsea and have him do the whole 90mins away at Newcastle or the following Saturday morning v Wolves
Whatever way can't wait to see him in action though must be extra careful with him
Post by: Mister E on June 16, 2020, 11:01:43 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 16, 2020, 01:02:02 PM
Smith hints in an artilce in today's online GRauniad that he probably won't play the full game.I don't really get this. He was ready to return just before the lockdown, so has had a pretty full pre-season. Given his natural dilligence and work rate I can't see how he's going to be significantly less prepared than any of the players who have had 2 months off.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 16, 2020, 05:36:41 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on June 16, 2020, 05:42:40 PM
Whilst normally I’d agree with always start with our best 11, the idea of him coming on after 60 mins, whilst everyone else is tiring, might be an idea?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 16, 2020, 10:08:26 PM
John McGinn: “I honestly think the break has been good for us mentally. I played with Douglas Luiz for the first half of the season before I got injured and he genuinely couldn’t understand a word I said.” [daily record]
“I don’t know if he spent the lockdown with his tutor online but fair play to him because it helps so much when he can understand ‘man on!’. I don’t think they know what ‘man on’ is in Brazil.”
“There were a lot of players all from different leagues and countries kind of flung together and because of the money that was spent, people just expected us to gel instantly.”
“But it really doesn’t work like that, especially in a league where you get punished for making mistakes. The break has been good for us. It has made us appreciate the situation we are in and we have 10 games now to get ourselves out of it.”
Post by: Steve67 on June 16, 2020, 10:34:03 PM
Post by: paul_e on June 16, 2020, 10:42:55 PM
From on twitter
John McGinn: “I honestly think the break has been good for us mentally. I played with Douglas Luiz for the first half of the season before I got injured and he genuinely couldn’t understand a word I said.” [daily record]
“I don’t know if he spent the lockdown with his tutor online but fair play to him because it helps so much when he can understand ‘man on!’. I don’t think they know what ‘man on’ is in Brazil.”
“There were a lot of players all from different leagues and countries kind of flung together and because of the money that was spent, people just expected us to gel instantly.”
“But it really doesn’t work like that, especially in a league where you get punished for making mistakes. The break has been good for us. It has made us appreciate the situation we are in and we have 10 games now to get ourselves out of it.”
He's spot on with this, I've said a few times that the biggest change that we need is to stop rebuilding the squad every summer. 3-4 players in and out is the limit if you want to create any sort of familiarity in the squad and even then only 1-2 of those should be straight into the team from the start. Sometimes that's impossible (like last summer) but proper management (all through the club not just in terms on the first team manager) should mean you're never in that position and if nothing else I hope that's the important lesson we've learned from the last 5 years were we've repeatedly fucked it up and gone into each new season with a team that's been barely recognisable to the one we finished the year before with.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 16, 2020, 11:46:05 PM
Post by: ez on June 17, 2020, 10:06:40 AM
Post by: Mister E on June 17, 2020, 10:25:16 AM
From on twitterTotally unsurprising.
John McGinn: “I honestly think the break has been good for us mentally. I played with Douglas Luiz for the first half of the season before I got injured and he genuinely couldn’t understand a word I said.” [daily record]
“I don’t know if he spent the lockdown with his tutor online but fair play to him because it helps so much when he can understand ‘man on!’. I don’t think they know what ‘man on’ is in Brazil.”
“There were a lot of players all from different leagues and countries kind of flung together and because of the money that was spent, people just expected us to gel instantly.”
“But it really doesn’t work like that, especially in a league where you get punished for making mistakes. The break has been good for us. It has made us appreciate the situation we are in and we have 10 games now to get ourselves out of it.”
The good news is that the issue of familiarity is acknowledged, has been recognised and - hopefully - dealt with during the lockdown.
Second seasons usually expose the kind of players bought in the season before ... if the players are still around and have not been sold on!
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2020, 10:51:44 AM
If we stay up we should just aim for 3-4 new signings this summer. A commanding CB alongside Mings, a good quality wide player and a midfielder who can read the game and stick his foot in would make a world of difference to us and would propel us to the giddy heights of 10th or 11th.
I'm not sure about the centre back, I like Engels and I think Konsa has a lot of potential so I'm pretty happy with us there. I'd go with a defensive midfielder, a left back and a wide player, with Lansbury, Taylor and Jota leaving to make space for them. After that it would just be one out, one in if anyone wants to leave.
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 17, 2020, 01:36:43 PM
Ok. Well he can't be 90minute match fit.
And he has to get to a level to retain that fitness .
Maybe he could even play a full 90 on Wednesday and Sunday but then he'll start experiencing fatigue and struggle v Newcastle.
The ideal way would be to play him for an hour slowly build it up and again Vs Chelsea and have him do the whole 90mins away at Newcastle or the following Saturday morning v Wolves
Whatever way can't wait to see him in action though must be extra careful with him
As I suspected and have been saying.
Dean Smith said
"It’s great to have him back but I have to manage him accordingly. It’s easy for me to go and throw him straight into the battle, knowing the sort of lad he is, but the players have had 14 weeks without a game. He has had over six months without a game. He has managed to get minutes in the West Brom and Leicester [friendly] games [this month] but I have to be a little bit mindful of where he’s been and where he’s come from.”
Post by: Drummond on June 17, 2020, 02:42:07 PM
From on twitter
John McGinn: “I honestly think the break has been good for us mentally. I played with Douglas Luiz for the first half of the season before I got injured and he genuinely couldn’t understand a word I said.” [daily record]
“I don’t know if he spent the lockdown with his tutor online but fair play to him because it helps so much when he can understand ‘man on!’. I don’t think they know what ‘man on’ is in Brazil.”
“There were a lot of players all from different leagues and countries kind of flung together and because of the money that was spent, people just expected us to gel instantly.”
“But it really doesn’t work like that, especially in a league where you get punished for making mistakes. The break has been good for us. It has made us appreciate the situation we are in and we have 10 games now to get ourselves out of it.”
I'm hoping that the enforced break will have helped us massively. The pressure is back on again now but the last few weeks of training will have allowed everyone to get to know each other better. I always thought that if we could get through this season and get a full pre-season under our belts we'd be far better off next season. Now's the time to see.
Post by: Flin5tone on June 17, 2020, 11:49:54 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 17, 2020, 11:53:32 PM
He wasn't very good the few weeks leading up to his injury and returned today in the same form
He was better than you were in the weeks leading up to your resignation.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 17, 2020, 11:54:31 PM
Post by: Smithy on June 18, 2020, 11:42:58 AM
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 23, 2020, 08:15:21 AM
Post by: Drummond on June 23, 2020, 10:56:59 AM
Being rusty is understandable but McGinn seems to have piled on the pounds. Is there any excuse for his poor conditioning?
He had a broken ankle and a number of months out. It takes time to get back up to speed.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 23, 2020, 04:26:46 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 23, 2020, 07:23:42 PM
Far too early for him to be starting games.
Indeed it has been proven to be the case, so who and by what process was it decided that he should not only start but stay on the pitch for the majority of these two games? Good as he is, he was no more than a passenger in these games. Could he not perhaps have been brought on for the last 20 minutes in each game?
Post by: olaftab on June 23, 2020, 07:27:17 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on June 23, 2020, 07:31:20 PM
Far too early for him to be starting games.
Indeed it has been proven to be the case, so who and by what process was it decided that he should not only start but stay on the pitch for the majority of these two games? Good as he is, he was no more than a passenger in these games. Could he not perhaps have been brought on for the last 20 minutes in each game?
Under normal circumstances I’d agree but that would mean he’d take even longer to get up to full speed and we don’t have time for that.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 23, 2020, 07:48:32 PM
OK he has two games now under his belt so I expect he will will be fully match for tomorrow.
No way should he be in the starting line up tomorrow.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 23, 2020, 08:49:03 PM
Exactly. Needs must and if we are going to stay up we will need him to play a major part. We need to play him into fitness and form as quickly as we can.Far too early for him to be starting games.
Indeed it has been proven to be the case, so who and by what process was it decided that he should not only start but stay on the pitch for the majority of these two games? Good as he is, he was no more than a passenger in these games. Could he not perhaps have been brought on for the last 20 minutes in each game?
Under normal circumstances I’d agree but that would mean he’d take even longer to get up to full speed and we don’t have time for that.
Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2020, 10:05:22 PM
Exactly. Needs must and if we are going to stay up we will need him to play a major part. We need to play him into fitness and form as quickly as we can.Far too early for him to be starting games.
Indeed it has been proven to be the case, so who and by what process was it decided that he should not only start but stay on the pitch for the majority of these two games? Good as he is, he was no more than a passenger in these games. Could he not perhaps have been brought on for the last 20 minutes in each game?
Under normal circumstances I’d agree but that would mean he’d take even longer to get up to full speed and we don’t have time for that.
Absolutely, and even if he has been poor, who's going to come in and do better? Lansbury?
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 25, 2020, 10:46:23 AM
McGinn is being carried at the moment.
It's like what Villa did with Drinkwater trying to get him match fit with precious use of a playing position
Only difference SJM is a very capable and useful player
For me others may have to come in sooner during his game time or he has to be dropped and played accordingly as he's not doing anything of significance apart from one run into the box for a header a match and literally a couple of shots.
As we all know it's usually several forrays into the box.
Driving with the ball
Tackling ,pressing and winning balls
And shots and goals
SJM is just not doing that and after such a long lay off it's going to take a few more games
Does not help with team having little possession of ball.
Needs to be given the hook if he's not performing next game.
Painful to see him as he's limited at the moment and he's limiting the team for all his amazing qualities.
None are being shown ! Despite being the excellent player.
Post by: Clampy on June 25, 2020, 10:57:33 AM
Post by: AVH87 on June 25, 2020, 11:25:08 AM
Maybe if we can keep in touch for the next 2-3 games he can then up it and get more out of Jack as well.
Post by: Villan82 on June 25, 2020, 11:27:54 AM
Post by: Drummond on June 25, 2020, 11:55:31 AM
I think SJM could be firing on all cylinders 2 or 3 games from now. By then, he and Jack could be match winners for us.
I wish I was a converted Small Heath fan right now. I'd have more fingers to cross.
Post by: WarszaVillan on June 25, 2020, 12:16:39 PM
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 25, 2020, 12:24:37 PM
My nagging worry with McGinn's form is that he was playing poorly for the few matches before his injury.Yep. I reckon we've seen peak SJM for about a third of the season.
Post by: Clampy on June 25, 2020, 12:26:45 PM
My nagging worry with McGinn's form is that he was playing poorly for the few matches before his injury.
I think he was carrying a knock when he got injured.
Post by: brontebilly on June 25, 2020, 12:28:19 PM
My nagging worry with McGinn's form is that he was playing poorly for the few matches before his injury.
I'm not sure both Grealish and McGinn have ever played well at the same time really. McGinn prefers to be further up the pitch freed from defensive responsibilities, as he was earlier in the season when Grealish was poor. That was the time of Smith's " two number eights" when our midfield was being walked through at will.
While I can understand rustiness in terms of a poor touch or pass, his general conditioning levels are nowhere near good enough. Given the pedestrian nature of the Sheff Utd and Newcastle games he shouldn't have been so far off the pace. Seems to be carrying weight and if so that's inexcusable for a player at the top level.
Post by: AVH87 on June 25, 2020, 12:40:18 PM
Post by: OzVilla on June 25, 2020, 12:42:06 PM
Post by: Steve67 on June 25, 2020, 07:52:23 PM
Post by: LeeB on June 26, 2020, 08:38:56 AM
Post by: Pat Mustard on June 26, 2020, 08:59:58 AM
Hopefully he will get better as games go on, but the pessimist in me worries that he might end up doing himself more damage and we might have been better off giving him an extra 2-3 weeks to get himself fully fit for the run-in.
Post by: Villan82 on June 26, 2020, 10:09:36 AM
Maybe, just maybe, John isn't quite good enough for the Premier Division, just yet. As much faith as I have in him, he's not arrived yet. Yes, hang me for heresy. He will be great, but needs the right players around him. We don't have them. I also don't think he will leave the club if we go down, certainly not for the prices being touted on here.
For the first 5 games or so he was our best player and our main attacking threat imo.
Post by: john e on June 26, 2020, 10:27:23 AM
he’s a model professional and will return to top form I’ve no doubts
it’s just that we could do with it starting to happen by tomorrow please
Post by: Clampy on June 26, 2020, 10:46:18 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2020, 06:56:17 PM
Post by: brian green on June 26, 2020, 07:19:25 PM
Post by: Ian. on June 26, 2020, 07:49:18 PM
He was bloody brilliant for a while in this league. Maybe just maybe we’ve not played well as a team and got the right system and balance. So yes, how dare you, where’s the noose! 😉Maybe, just maybe, John isn't quite good enough for the Premier Division, just yet. As much faith as I have in him, he's not arrived yet. Yes, hang me for heresy. He will be great, but needs the right players around him. We don't have them. I also don't think he will leave the club if we go down, certainly not for the prices being touted on here.
For the first 5 games or so he was our best player and our main attacking threat imo.
Post by: Steve67 on June 26, 2020, 08:02:30 PM
Post by: Ad@m on June 27, 2020, 11:53:55 AM
Not underserved either - he's looked a shadow of his former self since we started back.
Post by: Risso on June 27, 2020, 11:57:04 AM
Dropped today.
Not underserved either - he's looked a shadow of his former self since we started back.
Agreed. Hopefully he can make an impact from the bench later in the game.
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2020, 12:02:58 PM
Dropped today.
Not underserved either - he's looked a shadow of his former self since we started back.
That's what coming back from a long lay off can do. He was hardly going to hit the ground running.
Post by: Ad@m on June 27, 2020, 12:24:37 PM
Dropped today.
Not underserved either - he's looked a shadow of his former self since we started back.
That's what coming back from a long lay off can do. He was hardly going to hit the ground running.
Was he that much worse off than anyone else? He was back in training when everything stopped so I'm not sure why he looks so far off the pace and Luis, for example, seems to have benefited from the break.
Post by: Drummond on June 27, 2020, 12:58:38 PM
Dropped today.
Not underserved either - he's looked a shadow of his former self since we started back.
Agreed. Hopefully he can make an impact from the bench later in the game.
Better still let's hope we don't need him to.
Post by: Risso on June 27, 2020, 02:49:24 PM
Dropped today.
Not underserved either - he's looked a shadow of his former self since we started back.
Agreed. Hopefully he can make an impact from the bench later in the game.
Better still let's hope we don't need him to.
Well we did, and he didn't.
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 27, 2020, 02:57:13 PM
I thought there were a few, tiny glimpses of him getting back at it during his cameo today. Nothing major, just a bit of 'something'
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2020, 02:58:55 PM
Dropped today.
Not underserved either - he's looked a shadow of his former self since we started back.
That's what coming back from a long lay off can do. He was hardly going to hit the ground running.
Was he that much worse off than anyone else? He was back in training when everything stopped so I'm not sure why he looks so far off the pace and Luis, for example, seems to have benefited from the break.
Well yes, because hadn't kicked a ball since December and Luiz hasn't been out injured. It's not just about form, it's match fitness and sharpness. If you can't see that, then fair enough.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 27, 2020, 03:09:48 PM
Post by: Ad@m on June 27, 2020, 03:48:31 PM
Dropped today.
Not underserved either - he's looked a shadow of his former self since we started back.
That's what coming back from a long lay off can do. He was hardly going to hit the ground running.
Was he that much worse off than anyone else? He was back in training when everything stopped so I'm not sure why he looks so far off the pace and Luis, for example, seems to have benefited from the break.
Well yes, because hadn't kicked a ball since December and Luiz hasn't been out injured. It's not just about form, it's match fitness and sharpness. If you can't see that, then fair enough.
How much match fitness did Luiz have from not playing since the start of March?
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2020, 04:26:34 PM
Dropped today.
Not underserved either - he's looked a shadow of his former self since we started back.
That's what coming back from a long lay off can do. He was hardly going to hit the ground running.
Was he that much worse off than anyone else? He was back in training when everything stopped so I'm not sure why he looks so far off the pace and Luis, for example, seems to have benefited from the break.
Well yes, because hadn't kicked a ball since December and Luiz hasn't been out injured. It's not just about form, it's match fitness and sharpness. If you can't see that, then fair enough.
How much match fitness did Luiz have from not playing since the start of March?
Again, he wasn't out injured previously was he.
Post by: Ad@m on June 27, 2020, 04:43:05 PM
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2020, 04:45:32 PM
It doesn't matter. Neither of them had played for three months. It's like a brand new season. Match fitness has nothing to do with it.
Match fitness has nothing to do with coming back from a long injury lay off? Hmm, I think I'll leave it there. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Wow.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 27, 2020, 04:46:29 PM
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2020, 04:49:53 PM
Cracking read lads.
Thanks.
Post by: Ad@m on June 27, 2020, 06:17:31 PM
It doesn't matter. Neither of them had played for three months. It's like a brand new season. Match fitness has nothing to do with it.
Match fitness has nothing to do with coming back from a long injury lay off? Hmm, I think I'll leave it there. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Wow.
Educate me then. How much match fitness did any other player have in the squad having not played a competitive fixture for 3 months?
Post by: Ian. on June 27, 2020, 06:27:02 PM
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2020, 06:40:03 PM
It doesn't matter. Neither of them had played for three months. It's like a brand new season. Match fitness has nothing to do with it.
Match fitness has nothing to do with coming back from a long injury lay off? Hmm, I think I'll leave it there. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Wow.
Educate me then. How much match fitness did any other player have in the squad having not played a competitive fixture for 3 months?
I'll try and explain it one more time. None of the other players were injured prior to the lockdown. He hadn't kicked a ball since before christmas. It sounds like you are either arguing for the sake of it or just a bit dim. Either way, I'm bored of it
Post by: Ad@m on June 27, 2020, 06:51:32 PM
It doesn't matter. Neither of them had played for three months. It's like a brand new season. Match fitness has nothing to do with it.
Match fitness has nothing to do with coming back from a long injury lay off? Hmm, I think I'll leave it there. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Wow.
Educate me then. How much match fitness did any other player have in the squad having not played a competitive fixture for 3 months?
I'll try and explain it one more time. None of the other players were injured prior to the lockdown. He hadn't kicked a ball since before christmas. It sounds like you are either arguing for the sake of it or just a bit dim. Either way, I'm bored of it
That's just completely untrue. McGinn was in full training before the season suspension, just like Luiz.
Neither of them had any match fitness going in to the Sheffield United game. Luiz has coped with it much better than McGinn. It's just not an excuse. Nor is an injury he recovered from four months ago.
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2020, 06:58:15 PM
Crikey, heard it all now. Bloody hell, of cause SJM is not going to be on pace after a lengthy layoff. It can take weeks of playing to get back to a decent match fitness which is very different to just being fit. If you’ve ever played the game you’d certainly know.
Yep, bizarre isn't it?
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 27, 2020, 07:00:50 PM
Post by: Ad@m on June 27, 2020, 07:05:26 PM
Crikey, heard it all now. Bloody hell, of cause SJM is not going to be on pace after a lengthy layoff. It can take weeks of playing to get back to a decent match fitness which is very different to just being fit. If you’ve ever played the game you’d certainly know.
Blimey. I didn't realise we had a professional footballer in our midst.
I'm not arguing whether match fitness is a thing. Of course it is. But no one had any match fitness when this mini season started. That's why the first few games were so poor.
But some of our players have picked up quicker than others. McGinn just doesn't look like himself. He was out injured for less than 3 months and has been back in training for more than 4 months. How long after an injury does he get a free pass for?
Post by: Ian. on June 27, 2020, 10:09:20 PM
Absolutely.Crikey, heard it all now. Bloody hell, of cause SJM is not going to be on pace after a lengthy layoff. It can take weeks of playing to get back to a decent match fitness which is very different to just being fit. If you’ve ever played the game you’d certainly know.
Yep, bizarre isn't it?
Post by: Ian. on June 27, 2020, 10:11:18 PM
He has had a serious injury. You do not become fit overnight. He needs game to get this. The others were playing before lockdown and remained a certain fitness level. It’s not really that hard to understand.Crikey, heard it all now. Bloody hell, of cause SJM is not going to be on pace after a lengthy layoff. It can take weeks of playing to get back to a decent match fitness which is very different to just being fit. If you’ve ever played the game you’d certainly know.
Blimey. I didn't realise we had a professional footballer in our midst.
I'm not arguing whether match fitness is a thing. Of course it is. But no one had any match fitness when this mini season started. That's why the first few games were so poor.
But some of our players have picked up quicker than others. McGinn just doesn't look like himself. He was out injured for less than 3 months and has been back in training for more than 4 months. How long after an injury does he get a free pass for?
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2020, 10:15:32 PM
Post by: Ian. on June 27, 2020, 10:28:17 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 09, 2020, 09:53:56 PM
^^ McGinn since the return, in a nutshell.
Post by: eamonn on July 09, 2020, 10:00:57 PM
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2020, 11:36:31 PM
Post by: themossman on July 09, 2020, 11:37:30 PM
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 09, 2020, 11:38:08 PM
https://twitter.com/PunjabiVillans/status/1281328950732558342?s=20That's appalling. Also a little bit hilarious.
^^ McGinn since the return, in a nutshell.
Post by: Matt C on July 09, 2020, 11:39:31 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 09, 2020, 11:39:52 PM
Post by: Drummond on July 09, 2020, 11:42:05 PM
How has he let himself get into that state? Watched this in a bar in Northampton this evening, and loads of people commented on how lardy he looks. Unacceptable.
He broke a bone, it's a bit tricky to be up to this standard, playing every 2 or 3 days when you've had months out following a broken bone.
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2020, 11:42:21 PM
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2020, 11:44:04 PM
How has he let himself get into that state? Watched this in a bar in Northampton this evening, and loads of people commented on how lardy he looks. Unacceptable.
He broke a bone, it's a bit tricky to be up to this standard, playing every 2 or 3 days when you've had months out following a broken bone.
There's no reason WHATSOEVER for him to be overweight. I'm not talking about the quality of his play, even though that's shit. But he's got a paunch on him and rolls of fat on his back. That is not acceptable, at all.
Post by: olaftab on July 09, 2020, 11:49:46 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on July 09, 2020, 11:50:17 PM
Post by: LukeJames on July 09, 2020, 11:50:48 PM
https://twitter.com/PunjabiVillans/status/1281328950732558342?s=20
^^ McGinn since the return, in a nutshell.
Fucking hell.
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2020, 11:51:51 PM
Post by: The_ads on July 09, 2020, 11:52:07 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on July 09, 2020, 11:56:04 PM
I'm less fat than McGinn and I went into lockdown not a professional footballer and weighing 16 stone.
Dunno. I know loads of people who have put on loads in lockdown and they're not chubbies normally. I was 2 stone overweight for my height and i've gone down 3 trouser sizes. Lockdown has really messed with people's metabalism
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 09, 2020, 11:56:09 PM
Post by: Drummond on July 09, 2020, 11:57:17 PM
I'd be playing Drinkwater instead of him. I'd be playing Mark Kinsella instead of him.
What about your grandma? Go on, say it...
Post by: Villan82 on July 09, 2020, 11:59:06 PM
I'm less fat than McGinn and I went into lockdown not a professional footballer and weighing 16 stone.
Dunno. I know loads of people who have put on loads in lockdown and they're not chubbies normally. I was 2 stone overweight for my height and i've gone down 3 trouser sizes. Lockdown has really messed with people's metabalism
You make a good point. But, when people earn more in a week than I earn in a year to play a sport that I love I damn well expect them to keep fit and in shape.
Post by: Steve67 on July 10, 2020, 12:00:27 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on July 10, 2020, 12:04:47 AM
I'm less fat than McGinn and I went into lockdown not a professional footballer and weighing 16 stone.
Dunno. I know loads of people who have put on loads in lockdown and they're not chubbies normally. I was 2 stone overweight for my height and i've gone down 3 trouser sizes. Lockdown has really messed with people's metabalism
You make a good point. But, when people earn more in a week than I earn in a year to play a sport that I love I damn well expect them to keep fit and in shape.
yeah. still if you love the gym and you keep your weight down by the gym rather than running 10 miles every day, its a bit of a change to your lifestyle. Doesn't excuse the fact that someone at the club should have been monitoring his weight.
Post by: OzVilla on July 10, 2020, 12:30:29 AM
Really surprised and disappointed. I knew he'd had an injury so needed to get sharp again but I expected better than this.
Post by: Risso on July 10, 2020, 12:49:23 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/F0t9RVs/2-DEFA7-D0-587-F-4-E87-B86-D-32655-E043-B65.jpg)
(https://ibb.co/F0t9RVs)
Eerily accurate prediction.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 10, 2020, 12:57:07 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dnr82nzXcAAzWXA.jpg)
Post by: OzVilla on July 10, 2020, 01:18:30 AM
Just posted something similar on Twitter.
(https://i.ibb.co/F0t9RVs/2-DEFA7-D0-587-F-4-E87-B86-D-32655-E043-B65.jpg)
(https://ibb.co/F0t9RVs)
Eerily accurate prediction.
Yeah that's the one. Can you imagine Klopp, Guardiola or even Nigel Pearson putting up with this shite.
Post by: dicedlam on July 10, 2020, 09:41:12 AM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 10, 2020, 09:53:19 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on July 10, 2020, 09:53:51 AM
Leicester bound this summer
Really?
Post by: Clampy on July 10, 2020, 09:54:48 AM
Leicester bound this summer
Really?
Probably just a simple guess seeing as Rodgers wanted him before he came in.
Post by: Axl Rose on July 10, 2020, 09:55:44 AM
Leicester bound this summer
Really?
Probably just a simple guess seeing as Rodgers wanted him before he came in.
Ah, ok. Cheers Clampy.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 10, 2020, 09:56:10 AM
Leicester bound this summer
Really?
Probably just a simple guess seeing as Rodgers wanted him before he came in.
Leicester DO want him. I'd be trying to get Albrighton back as part of the deal
Post by: WarszaVillan on July 10, 2020, 09:57:43 AM
Post by: in exile on July 10, 2020, 09:58:07 AM
Post by: Clampy on July 10, 2020, 10:01:17 AM
Post by: OzVilla on July 10, 2020, 10:05:54 AM
Post by: LeeB on July 10, 2020, 10:25:36 AM
I'd be playing Drinkwater instead of him. I'd be playing Mark Kinsella instead of him.
I'd be playing you instead of him.
Post by: Mister E on July 10, 2020, 10:26:48 AM
McGinn is simply suffering from post-injury rehab and fitness issues, which don't stop him being a great player after a proper close season.
Post by: Ads on July 10, 2020, 10:31:35 AM
Post by: Ad@m on July 10, 2020, 10:33:17 AM
If we go down he will go and we will get good money for him.
I'm not sure he will. How bad he's been since his injury could've spooked potential buyers.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 10, 2020, 10:36:32 AM
Post by: CT on July 10, 2020, 01:26:38 PM
I don’t, I think he’d be off in a heartbeat. Same with Mings.
As poor as he’s been, at least McGinn doesn’t make it quite so obvious that he’s already gone, unlike Mings.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 10, 2020, 01:50:15 PM
I can't see is being able to keep him, he is a good player. Granted, he's gone off the boil a bit after the bad injury
He's clearly nowhere near fit. He looks like he's carrying a shed load of extra weight.
How that is allowed to happen by either him or our fitness people or both is beyond me.
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 10, 2020, 01:57:22 PM
Not the first player to come back from a serious injury and look like he's lost something, Kodj was never the same after his two injuries in 2017.
Partly why I'm uncomfortable with some hyping up Wes to be a saviour for us in the championship when it will probably take him 2-3 months to just back into things given he's had a serious injury.
Still keep him here and hopefully he gets going again in the championship as we know he's pretty good in that division.
Post by: Drummond on July 10, 2020, 02:07:56 PM
I can't see is being able to keep him, he is a good player. Granted, he's gone off the boil a bit after the bad injury
He's clearly nowhere near fit. He looks like he's carrying a shed load of extra weight.
How that is allowed to happen by either him or our fitness people or both is beyond me.
I'd agree. I just wonder whether he wasn't really anywhere near as ready as we thought he'd be and as such he's struggling to keep up now. He doesn't strike me as being an unprofessional type?
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 10, 2020, 02:12:52 PM
He was good at the start of the season. Bursting into the box and scoring v Spurs, Arsenal and Burnley. Also set up the AEG goal v Everton with a nice run. Looks miles away from that level now.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 10, 2020, 03:40:38 PM
https://twitter.com/PunjabiVillans/status/1281328950732558342
He's either criminally out of shape or he's phoning it in. Or both. No wonder Luiz was pissed off.
Post by: LukeJames on July 10, 2020, 03:49:58 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2020, 03:53:19 PM
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2020, 09:58:51 AM
Lest we forget, Drinkwater was brought in as a like for like replacement on the safe assumption that SJM might be out for virtually the whole season.
He was clearly less match fit than the rest of the players, joining mid season. That factor should have been removed, since none of them are now match fit, and we should have got him in good shape to be a useful resource for us. Instead Dean is giving it the hard man act and not even putting him on the bench, while moaning about 5 subs and playing a fat John McGinn. It’s the kind of rank amateur, cut your nose off to spite your face shite that took us down the first time.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 12, 2020, 10:03:37 AM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 12, 2020, 10:08:53 AM
The shape he's returned in post-lockdown, and the effort he's putting into matches (Liverpool aside - Thought he played quite well in that game), he should be nowhere near the matchday squad - Especially after that showing against Man Utd.
Post by: PeterWithe on July 12, 2020, 10:11:45 AM
Post by: David_Nab on July 12, 2020, 10:18:38 AM
Post by: OzVilla on July 12, 2020, 10:21:02 AM
Post by: Allan C on July 12, 2020, 10:21:08 AM
It was reported that he was carrying an injury before the major one and yet he was kept in the team. He’s not been managed at all well this seasonThe management team can be blamed for a lot of things this season but the personal condition and fitness of McGinn isn’t one of them. He’s got to take a lot of the responsibility for that
Post by: CT on July 12, 2020, 10:28:19 AM
It was reported that he was carrying an injury before the major one and yet he was kept in the team. He’s not been managed at all well this seasonThe management team can be blamed for a lot of things this season but the personal condition and fitness of McGinn isn’t one of them. He’s got to take a lot of the responsibility for that
He should.
But why aren’t our fitness people checking on him daily? Maybe the BMI is going up, maybe weight, stamina. I don’t know. It just seems like he rocked back up at BMH and said “Hi everyone, here I am”.
I do agree though the doesn’t seem like one of the players who would just switch off and give up, so yeah, maybe there is more than meets the eye here. For Tyrone Mings to be having a go at him is ironic in the extreme.
Post by: PeterWithe on July 12, 2020, 10:36:43 AM
It was reported that he was carrying an injury before the major one and yet he was kept in the team. He’s not been managed at all well this seasonThe management team can be blamed for a lot of things this season but the personal condition and fitness of McGinn isn’t one of them. He’s got to take a lot of the responsibility for that
I’m afraid I don’t agree, if he reported an injury and said he wanted to play through it, and then his performance noticeably dipped, and he then picked up a more serious injury. That’s poor management, he shouldn’t have been given the choice.
Post by: London Villan on July 12, 2020, 11:41:09 AM
As I put in the Smith thread , he suffered another stress fracture before we where due to play Chelsea before the Covid break.He couldnt train during lockdown he has been thrown in with hardly any training that's why he looks so off the pace
Where has that story come from?
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2020, 11:48:07 AM
As I put in the Smith thread , he suffered another stress fracture before we where due to play Chelsea before the Covid break.He couldnt train during lockdown he has been thrown in with hardly any training that's why he looks so off the pace
Interesting. So I guess in normal circumstances he'd have been ruled out for the season. I assume with the lockdown he simply couldn't do any rehab at training ground for two months.
He's miles off the pace and shouldn't be starting. I really doubt anyone is going to come in with 20m + bids. Remember he did sign a new deal last August.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2020, 11:57:08 AM
He might actually stay.
Post by: Clampy on July 12, 2020, 12:27:42 PM
As I put in the Smith thread , he suffered another stress fracture before we where due to play Chelsea before the Covid break.He couldnt train during lockdown he has been thrown in with hardly any training that's why he looks so off the pace
Where has that story come from?
Smith has said so himself. It explains why he's looked so off the pace if he's hardly trained.
Post by: David_Nab on July 12, 2020, 12:30:32 PM
As I put in the Smith thread , he suffered another stress fracture before we where due to play Chelsea before the Covid break.He couldnt train during lockdown he has been thrown in with hardly any training that's why he looks so off the pace
Where has that story come from?
Telegraph behind paywall
Post by: David_Nab on July 12, 2020, 12:31:46 PM
As I put in the Smith thread , he suffered another stress fracture before we where due to play Chelsea before the Covid break.He couldnt train during lockdown he has been thrown in with hardly any training that's why he looks so off the pace
Interesting. So I guess in normal circumstances he'd have been ruled out for the season. I assume with the lockdown he simply couldn't do any rehab at training ground for two months.
He's miles off the pace and shouldn't be starting. I really doubt anyone is going to come in with 20m + bids. Remember he did sign a new deal last August.
Yeah would of been out for season, from what I can gather with a stress fracture the most he would be able to do is cycling /swimming.
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2020, 01:17:04 PM
You can’t blame the management for a professional footballer letting himself go and becoming a lard arse. You can blame them for thinking it’s a good idea to bring him into vital PL games looking like said lard arse.
My point is that we’ve snookered ourselves and despite having the jan window to solve the issue was ended up with a replacement so useless that he can’t get on the bench when McGinn is barely able to cover 5 yards to get on a pass after half an hour.
Of course the players are to blame for being out of shape and/or a bad presence in the squad.
But why the hell are we having to pick between two players so hopelessly ill equipped to do a job in such a key position? That bit isn’t their fault.
Post by: Ian. on July 12, 2020, 01:44:10 PM
Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2020, 05:36:09 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 12, 2020, 05:41:40 PM
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2020, 05:57:40 PM
When Samatta missed that header SJM was up there next to him.
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 12, 2020, 06:42:42 PM
Better today. Should have been subbed but looked up for it, covered a decent amount distance and attacked a lot more.
When Samatta missed that header SJM was up there next to him.
Yeah a lot better today and still running at the end.
Post by: OCD on July 12, 2020, 07:00:10 PM
Post by: ozzjim on July 13, 2020, 07:56:48 AM
Post by: dicedlam on July 26, 2020, 07:35:29 PM
Post by: Rudy65 on July 26, 2020, 07:36:21 PM
He was fantastic today.
That ass!
Post by: Monty on September 02, 2020, 10:31:48 AM
Post by: OCD on September 02, 2020, 11:05:12 AM
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2020, 11:53:32 AM
So I've developed a minor obsession with the idea of moving SJM to a kind of inside right forward position in a 4-2-3-1. This would free up Jack to play at no 10 while still having some solidity in midfield behind him (Luiz and Conor staying deep, for instance), and also would solve one of our wide-forward problems by allowing McGinn to do what he does best - get the ball, run at defences, get into goalscoring positions, and pester opposition defenders off the ball without worrying about leaving a huge gap in the middle of the pitch.
Didn't he essentially start there at Everton. I certainly think he's an option further forward, it gives you the orion of a very high press. Needs to get back to his fighting fitness though, and treated with a bit more care next season.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on September 02, 2020, 12:07:26 PM
Guilbert has shown, in patches, he can do that though to deliver a consistent and major improvement it might need an upgrade of both fullbacks - with Matty Cash the target (no pun intended) for RB.
The other option is to switch to three at the back - as DS seems to like and which would mean (most likely) Mings - Engels - Konsa.
I've not given up on Engels and I think that could work as both Mings and Konsa like to bring the ball out. Though it is quite a fundamental change when a bit of continuity and stability might be the better bet in terms of delivering a steady start to the season. As ever - the decision is long-term plan versus short-term gain.
Anyone know whether Shakespeare has a preferred formation?
Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2020, 12:13:52 PM
So I've developed a minor obsession with the idea of moving SJM to a kind of inside right forward position in a 4-2-3-1. This would free up Jack to play at no 10 while still having some solidity in midfield behind him (Luiz and Conor staying deep, for instance), and also would solve one of our wide-forward problems by allowing McGinn to do what he does best - get the ball, run at defences, get into goalscoring positions, and pester opposition defenders off the ball without worrying about leaving a huge gap in the middle of the pitch.
I like that idea, get in someone very defensive im midfield and tel lthe fullbacks to play more like wing backs and I think that could work really well. I think one of the biggest problems early in the season was us trying to get Grealish and McGinn in as 2 8s, which just didn't work.
Post by: Monty on September 02, 2020, 12:20:04 PM
So I've developed a minor obsession with the idea of moving SJM to a kind of inside right forward position in a 4-2-3-1. This would free up Jack to play at no 10 while still having some solidity in midfield behind him (Luiz and Conor staying deep, for instance), and also would solve one of our wide-forward problems by allowing McGinn to do what he does best - get the ball, run at defences, get into goalscoring positions, and pester opposition defenders off the ball without worrying about leaving a huge gap in the middle of the pitch.
I like that idea, get in someone very defensive im midfield and tel lthe fullbacks to play more like wing backs and I think that could work really well. I think one of the biggest problems early in the season was us trying to get Grealish and McGinn in as 2 8s, which just didn't work.
Yeah, you'd need peak-Javi Martinez or someone to make that 4-3-3 work. I'm a huge fan of Doug but he's not that player, and in fact you could free him up to play the Xabi Alonso role in deep alongside a more orthodox defensive player if we sign the latter (or if Nakamba steps up, as OCD says).
Post by: brontebilly on September 02, 2020, 12:25:52 PM
So I've developed a minor obsession with the idea of moving SJM to a kind of inside right forward position in a 4-2-3-1. This would free up Jack to play at no 10 while still having some solidity in midfield behind him (Luiz and Conor staying deep, for instance), and also would solve one of our wide-forward problems by allowing McGinn to do what he does best - get the ball, run at defences, get into goalscoring positions, and pester opposition defenders off the ball without worrying about leaving a huge gap in the middle of the pitch.
I like that idea, get in someone very defensive im midfield and tel lthe fullbacks to play more like wing backs and I think that could work really well. I think one of the biggest problems early in the season was us trying to get Grealish and McGinn in as 2 8s, which just didn't work.
I sincerely hope we don't try that 2x8s again this upcoming season. No matter what Grealish might think his best position is or most likely to get him firmly into the England reckoning.
Have McGinn and Grealish ever played particularly well for us at the same time?
Post by: London Villan on September 02, 2020, 12:31:32 PM
Post by: Risso on September 02, 2020, 01:18:54 PM
They were pretty good during the 10 game run-in but other than that not really!
I don't agree with that, McGinn was really poor for most of it.
Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2020, 01:37:27 PM
Post by: ozzjim on September 02, 2020, 01:40:13 PM
They were pretty good during the 10 game run-in but other than that not really!
I don't agree with that, McGinn was really poor for most of it.
I think he meant the season before?
Post by: Mister E on September 02, 2020, 01:44:47 PM
...Have McGinn and Grealish ever played particularly well for us at the same time?Last season, Naaarrrich away, they played really well together. one or two other early games, they did so too; but it was flashes rather than a solid performance.
Post by: eamonn on September 02, 2020, 01:44:53 PM
Sure look...here's the quotes:
Quote
I never want to experience that again, so the feeling at West Ham was one of relief. But also of pride — because it’s naive to think we don’t listen to criticism or read negative stories.
“We were driving to games and, whether it was talkSPORT or some other station, not one person gave us a chance of staying up with four games to go when we were seven points behind.
“We used that negativity to stay up. It came down to professional pride.
“No one gave us a chance — and that made it even sweeter.
“Wes Edens private-messaged a lot of us after West Ham to say congratulations.
“And basically to tell us that the club wasn’t going to rest there.
He said they’d support us with new players and improve the depth of the squad to kick on.
“The owners made it clear that they want Villa back where we belong, challenging at the top end of English and European football.
“It’s not going to be easy. But we’re behind each other, backing each other. We’re on the same page.”
Post by: London Villan on September 02, 2020, 09:06:35 PM
They were pretty good during the 10 game run-in but other than that not really!
I don't agree with that, McGinn was really poor for most of it.
I think he meant the season before?
Yep the promotion 10 wins on the spin.
Post by: brontebilly on September 21, 2020, 11:39:55 PM
If ever there was a player that needs competition for his place it's McGinn.
Post by: ozzjim on September 22, 2020, 08:29:23 AM
McGinn's form isn't just a rut any longer. Was tried in at least three different positions tonight and was rubbish. Putting passes out of play when under no pressure. Not showing for possession, not taking players on, not breaking into the box.Just said the same in the transfer thread. He was worse than Targett last night and that is a statement.
If ever there was a player that needs competition for his place it's McGinn.
Post by: LeeB on September 22, 2020, 08:32:53 AM
He's class, he'll get there.
Post by: ozzjim on September 22, 2020, 08:42:54 AM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.
He's class, he'll get there.
Agree, he needs football and fitness.
Post by: Ad@m on September 22, 2020, 08:46:41 AM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.
He's class, he'll get there.
Rushed back in?! He was back in training in March and played his first competitive league game in June!!!
He's then played just as much first team football as everyone else for the past six months.
I get that he's a fan favourite but how long does his free pass last?!
Post by: Clampy on September 22, 2020, 08:59:44 AM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.
He's class, he'll get there.
Agree, he needs football and fitness.
Agree. It's obvious he hasn't quite reached the heights of when he first came but he has been out injured. All this 'he was training in March and came back in June' is not strictly true because I think he picked another injury and no-one really trained as team after the lockdown anyway. Let's just give him time shall we?
Post by: Smithy on September 22, 2020, 09:04:12 AM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.
He's class, he'll get there.
Rushed back in?! He was back in training in March and played his first competitive league game in June!!!
He's then played just as much first team football as everyone else for the past six months.
I get that he's a fan favourite but how long does his free pass last?!
Didn't I read he had an injury setback that would likely have seen him miss the rest of the season? Did I dream that? I'm sure I remember seeing somewhere that when we restarted he was only just back to full training.
Post by: brontebilly on September 22, 2020, 09:05:40 AM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.
He's class, he'll get there.
Rushed back in?! He was back in training in March and played his first competitive league game in June!!!
He's then played just as much first team football as everyone else for the past six months.
I get that he's a fan favourite but how long does his free pass last?!
It ended last night for me, his performances need to improve or else he needs a spell on the bench.
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2020, 09:14:31 AM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.
He's class, he'll get there.
Is he class though? Personally I'm not sure he's good enough at any one aspect of the game to be a Premier League starter. He was absolute gash yesterday and has been for ages now.
Post by: brian green on September 22, 2020, 09:24:59 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on September 22, 2020, 09:37:17 AM
I suspect his appetite for the hard yards has declined sharply. No racism intended but Celts are prone frequently to be tempted by less than full fitness lifestyles. Many exceptions of course of totally committed Scots, Welsh and Irish players but lots have form for battered Mars bars diets. He will be back. Of that you can be sure.
As opposed to English people all absolutely committed to a healthy lifestyle 24/7.
Post by: in exile on September 22, 2020, 09:38:39 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on September 22, 2020, 09:41:24 AM
Post by: eamonn on September 22, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
£2.5m players from Scotland (or anywhere) rarely are.
I get the impression that his first instinct is to draw a foul when he receives the ball in tight situations which could speak volumes about the lack of confidence in his game. The bum-roll will only get him so far. We need someone else in the middle who has an undoubted touch of class about them like has always been clear with Jack and Hey Dougie.
Post by: brontebilly on September 22, 2020, 09:56:04 AM
Thought he looked a lot better when he dropped a bit deeper last night and was alongside Luiz. Not sure the more advanced role suits him really.
He struggled there in the championship though, didn't have the position discipline really. Probably a return to the right of the three needs to be considered (where Trez played last night) but I guess we have bought Traore to play there. In any case, the excuses are running out for McGinn. He is in the team on reputation only at the moment.
Post by: Edvard Remberg on September 22, 2020, 11:16:25 AM
Twitter (https://twitter.com/mattycash622/status/1308319220355272704?s=20)
Post by: Villan82 on September 22, 2020, 11:58:48 AM
I suspect his appetite for the hard yards has declined sharply. No racism intended but Celts are prone frequently to be tempted by less than full fitness lifestyles. Many exceptions of course of totally committed Scots, Welsh and Irish players but lots have form for battered Mars bars diets. He will be back. Of that you can be sure.
No racism intended but I will just go ahead and smear three nations. Class act.
Post by: Axl Rose on September 22, 2020, 12:09:37 PM
Post by: ozzjim on September 22, 2020, 12:09:45 PM
I suspect his appetite for the hard yards has declined sharply. No racism intended but Celts are prone frequently to be tempted by less than full fitness lifestyles. Many exceptions of course of totally committed Scots, Welsh and Irish players but lots have form for battered Mars bars diets. He will be back. Of that you can be sure.
As opposed to English people all absolutely committed to a healthy lifestyle 24/7.
I don't think he nationality has anything to do with it.
I also think he is good enough, both technically and mentally for this level. I just think he takes a bit of time to get to peak fitness. In fairness to him, I thought he actually looked stronger in the last 10 than he did the middle part of the game, almost like a second wind hit him.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 22, 2020, 12:13:05 PM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.
He's class, he'll get there.
Is he class though? Personally I'm not sure he's good enough at any one aspect of the game to be a Premier League starter. He was absolute gash yesterday and has been for ages now.
I think he did enough at the start of the season before getting injured to show he could be a decent player at this level. However he has been awful since the injury, and has had plenty of time to gain form now. We need better competition for places, so he can be benched whilst he finds form. At the moment I would be picking Hourihane and Nakamba ahead of him.
Post by: usav on September 22, 2020, 01:19:39 PM
Post by: brontebilly on September 22, 2020, 01:50:40 PM
I suspect his appetite for the hard yards has declined sharply. No racism intended but Celts are prone frequently to be tempted by less than full fitness lifestyles. Many exceptions of course of totally committed Scots, Welsh and Irish players but lots have form for battered Mars bars diets. He will be back. Of that you can be sure.
No racism intended but I will just go ahead and smear three nations. Class act.
Roy Keane said something similar a few years back about some unnamed Irish players.
The condition McGinn came back from injury last season wasn't really acceptable as was clearly carrying surplus weight. couldn't really tell last night if it was still an issue but it should be the easiest thing for a professional footballer to correct. I'm still a big fan and confident he will turn it around. But Smith letting him try to play himself into form needs to end.
Post by: Ads on September 22, 2020, 01:52:54 PM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.
He's class, he'll get there.
Rushed back in?! He was back in training in March and played his first competitive league game in June!!!
He's then played just as much first team football as everyone else for the past six months.
I get that he's a fan favourite but how long does his free pass last?!
He broke his ankle again in March.
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 22, 2020, 02:15:25 PM
Was really poor last night so it's frustrating.
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Post by: sickbeggar on September 22, 2020, 02:58:37 PM
It doesn't really matter why he's playing shit. The fact is, he's playing shit.
Well it depends. If you think he's shit because he's off the pace, then we have to get him match fit otherwise he will remain shit. If you think he's shit through loss of form or just being found out in the Premier then yeah drop him.
Post by: Smithy on September 22, 2020, 03:04:23 PM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.
He's class, he'll get there.
Rushed back in?! He was back in training in March and played his first competitive league game in June!!!
He's then played just as much first team football as everyone else for the past six months.
I get that he's a fan favourite but how long does his free pass last?!
He broke his ankle again in March.
Yeah, I can't find the link now, but I was sure I read about some recurrence/relapse during lockdown that would have put him out for the season (if we weren't locked down). He didn't come back in the summer having been training for three months, he was JUST back in full training. Clearly he wasn't as fit as he should be, and quite rusty.
I think last night he looked fitter (and a little lighter), but still pretty rusty. Misplaced passes, miscontrols etc. That said, I've no doubt he'll play himself into form. Jack is also notorious for starting the season slowly until he's up to proper match fitness - I guess that's just the way with some players.
If we're still wondering about his fitness/form in another four or five games, then I'll start to be concerned.
Post by: Ad@m on September 22, 2020, 03:04:27 PM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.
He's class, he'll get there.
Rushed back in?! He was back in training in March and played his first competitive league game in June!!!
He's then played just as much first team football as everyone else for the past six months.
I get that he's a fan favourite but how long does his free pass last?!
He broke his ankle again in March.
According to who?
He gave an interview in May and never mentioned it - https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/18480525.scotland-aston-villa-star-john-mcginn-says-horror-ankle-break-nearly-bad-facing-relegation-st-mirren/
Post by: Clampy on September 22, 2020, 03:08:47 PM
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Post by: Hillbilly on September 23, 2020, 01:20:40 AM
I suspect his appetite for the hard yards has declined sharply. No racism intended but Celts are prone frequently to be tempted by less than full fitness lifestyles. Many exceptions of course of totally committed Scots, Welsh and Irish players but lots have form for battered Mars bars diets. He will be back. Of that you can be sure.Nah, it's not racism. But it is bigotry. The kind that makes many of us from Scotland, Ireland and Wales wonder why we are still yoked to the English.
Post by: danno on September 23, 2020, 01:31:07 AM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.
He's class, he'll get there.
Rushed back in?! He was back in training in March and played his first competitive league game in June!!!
He's then played just as much first team football as everyone else for the past six months.
I get that he's a fan favourite but how long does his free pass last?!
He broke his ankle again in March.
According to who?
He gave an interview in May and never mentioned it - https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/18480525.scotland-aston-villa-star-john-mcginn-says-horror-ankle-break-nearly-bad-facing-relegation-st-mirren/
Took some finding but... yes he did have two injuries.
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2020/08/03/fitness-will-be-the-key-for-aston-villa-midfielder-john-mcginn/
Quote
The Scotland international was sidelined for around five months in total after first fracturing his left ankle in December and then suffering a stress fracture in the same leg, just before the Premier League was suspended due to the coronavirus pandemic in March.
Post by: eamonn on September 23, 2020, 01:40:32 AM
Post by: Ads on September 23, 2020, 07:22:33 AM
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.
He's class, he'll get there.
Rushed back in?! He was back in training in March and played his first competitive league game in June!!!
He's then played just as much first team football as everyone else for the past six months.
I get that he's a fan favourite but how long does his free pass last?!
He broke his ankle again in March.
According to who?
He gave an interview in May and never mentioned it - https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/18480525.scotland-aston-villa-star-john-mcginn-says-horror-ankle-break-nearly-bad-facing-relegation-st-mirren/
Took some finding but... yes he did have two injuries.
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2020/08/03/fitness-will-be-the-key-for-aston-villa-midfielder-john-mcginn/QuoteThe Scotland international was sidelined for around five months in total after first fracturing his left ankle in December and then suffering a stress fracture in the same leg, just before the Premier League was suspended due to the coronavirus pandemic in March.
Thank you. Now book em' danno.
Post by: sid1964 on September 23, 2020, 07:34:54 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 23, 2020, 08:05:30 AM
Smith needs to back his words with action - another horror show next Monday and McGinn needs to be dropped. Competition is what will propel us forward and we can’t carry midfielders no matter what went before
And replaced with.....?
Post by: themossman on September 23, 2020, 08:11:06 AM
I suspect his appetite for the hard yards has declined sharply. No racism intended but Celts are prone frequently to be tempted by less than full fitness lifestyles. Many exceptions of course of totally committed Scots, Welsh and Irish players but lots have form for battered Mars bars diets. He will be back. Of that you can be sure.
As a Celt, I do my best to embody this statement :-)
I don’t know how true a generalisation it is but it does remind me of a story I heard from a mate who played for Wales about how John Hartson’s pre match meal was spaghetti bolognese with a fried egg on top.
Post by: Tony Boucher on September 23, 2020, 09:03:09 AM
Midfielder John McGinn is still building up his fitness after Smith revealed he sustained a thin break in his shin prior to the cancelled fixture against Chelsea on March 14.
"Prior to lockdown we were due to play Chelsea on the Saturday," Smith explained. "John was fit to play and he was going to be on the bench, but then earlier in the week he started to feel his shin. We sent him for a scan and we found another stress fracture, which put him out for another six weeks.
"He didn't train during the lockdown but once we came back to small group training he was back. He's been playing catch-up and it's been very difficult. It can take a while to get back up to speed but he’s certainly getting there now."
From Meaning Evil article on 14th July
Post by: in exile on September 23, 2020, 09:05:01 AM
I'm looking forward to the answer :)Smith needs to back his words with action - another horror show next Monday and McGinn needs to be dropped. Competition is what will propel us forward and we can’t carry midfielders no matter what went before
And replaced with.....?
Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2020, 09:23:24 AM
Smith needs to back his words with action - another horror show next Monday and McGinn needs to be dropped. Competition is what will propel us forward and we can’t carry midfielders no matter what went before
Another horror show? Blimey, he wasn't that bad.
Post by: darren woolley on September 23, 2020, 09:35:00 AM
Smith needs to back his words with action - another horror show next Monday and McGinn needs to be dropped. Competition is what will propel us forward and we can’t carry midfielders no matter what went before
Another horror show? Blimey, he wasn't that bad.
I agree Clampy.
Post by: eamonn on September 23, 2020, 09:38:18 AM
I think he will be the next to get a new 4 year contract
Me too. Smith always speaks highly of him.
If Rodgers still loves him too, imagine swapping him for one of Leicester's midfield juggernauts.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 23, 2020, 10:10:04 AM
I'm looking forward to the answer :)Smith needs to back his words with action - another horror show next Monday and McGinn needs to be dropped. Competition is what will propel us forward and we can’t carry midfielders no matter what went before
And replaced with.....?
I only agree on the competition bit. But I think McGinn will reach level of consistency again .
Don't forget he's a ball carrier and makes runs rather than someone who gets on the ball passing it around like Pirlo. So he can look like he's not involved
But yes a midfielder to come in for competition would be great however it's the same all round
Paul Merson once said :
"You can go for £50-60m now, three bad games and you’re out of the team"
Post by: Drummond on September 23, 2020, 12:36:37 PM
I'm looking forward to the answer :)Smith needs to back his words with action - another horror show next Monday and McGinn needs to be dropped. Competition is what will propel us forward and we can’t carry midfielders no matter what went before
And replaced with.....?
Me too!
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 23, 2020, 12:42:52 PM
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Post by: Smithy on September 23, 2020, 01:36:46 PM
It also didn't help that with Sheff Utd down to 10 men and retreating to their box with everyone behind the ball, it completely nullified his biggest assets; carrying the ball forward and making runs into space. With most of the match spent with the ball moving side to side in the final third and trying to find a way through two compact banks of four, he was never going to be man of the match. It wasn't the sort of game he is ever going to excel in, even when 100% fit.
Ironically, given we were camped in their half, someone like Jota would probably have been a better bet - given his lack of pace and mobility wouldn't have been a major issue. Would have been a brave decision to swap them though!
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 23, 2020, 01:42:34 PM
Post by: algy on September 23, 2020, 07:56:42 PM
My absolute favourite meal is half a deep fried pizza & chips, with battered mars bar & vanilla ice cream for pudding.I suspect his appetite for the hard yards has declined sharply. No racism intended but Celts are prone frequently to be tempted by less than full fitness lifestyles. Many exceptions of course of totally committed Scots, Welsh and Irish players but lots have form for battered Mars bars diets. He will be back. Of that you can be sure.
As a Celt, I do my best to embody this statement :-)
I don’t know how true a generalisation it is but it does remind me of a story I heard from a mate who played for Wales about how John Hartson’s pre match meal was spaghetti bolognese with a fried egg on top.
Only have it once a year, but my word it's the best day of that year. Usually from a chippy on Queensferry Rd coming out of Edinburgh, which has red white & green neon lights outside, not sure of the name but it's been there for years.
Assuming it's a takeaway, it gets washed down with a bottle of Buckfast. Obviously. :D
Post by: brontebilly on September 28, 2020, 09:20:38 PM
McGinn's form isn't just a rut any longer. Was tried in at least three different positions tonight and was rubbish. Putting passes out of play when under no pressure. Not showing for possession, not taking players on, not breaking into the box.
If ever there was a player that needs competition for his place it's McGinn.
Well done SJM, back to his best tonight. Will be tougher games ahead but you could visibly see his confidence lifting as the game went on.
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Post by: richtheholtender on September 29, 2020, 07:23:58 AM
Really good tonight.Yes super was great.
His only blot was the senseless yellow for running round reckless and throwing himself unacceptably into a tackle
That the one on Bryan? On the subject of that prick, is it worth forgetting the fact her stupidly rejected us and have a punt on signing him?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 29, 2020, 07:49:30 AM
Post by: LeeB on September 29, 2020, 08:13:18 AM
Really good tonight.Yes super was great.
His only blot was the senseless yellow for running round reckless and throwing himself unacceptably into a tackle
He wasn't reckless at all, that knob had left one on him earlier in the game and he gave it him back.
Post by: Drummond on September 29, 2020, 10:00:10 AM
Lovely driving run and turn. Slightly lucky with the assist for Hourihane but we won't mention it.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on September 29, 2020, 10:16:22 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 29, 2020, 10:18:31 AM
Really good tonight.Yes super was great.
His only blot was the senseless yellow for running round reckless and throwing himself unacceptably into a tackle
He wasn't reckless at all, that knob had left one on him earlier in the game and he gave it him back.
Well said LeeB. Too fucking right as well.
Post by: Drummond on September 29, 2020, 10:52:33 AM
Lucky how? It looked very deliberate to me.
He was trying to control it for himself and then noticed Hourihane was coming in...
Post by: in exile on September 29, 2020, 12:02:17 PM
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 29, 2020, 12:51:26 PM
Loved the pirouette spin he did, confidence was clearly high after the assists. I still think he tries to win too many free kicks with his arse and he anticipates the challenge rather than driving on with the ball but that was a really good performance last night.
Zidane's just a French John McGinn.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 29, 2020, 12:56:16 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1310633720907542529
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Post by: itmustbe_it is! on October 04, 2020, 09:47:23 PM
He's fucking back!
With a bang tonight.
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Post by: paul_e on October 04, 2020, 09:59:18 PM
Love the way that prick Bryan goes down injured to try to pretend that he hasn't just been made to look a twat. The twat.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1310633720907542529
the one tonight mid way through the 2nd half was so much better, it'll need a health warning on the highlights.
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Post by: Somniloquism on October 16, 2020, 08:43:28 AM
Shame he now has to miss the next two internationals, as is the custom.
Was McMount mentioned in the press conference afterwards as being a better player in the few minutes he was on?
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 16, 2020, 07:32:44 PM
https://twitter.com/scotlandnt/status/1317065753871482880?s=21
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Post by: N'ZMAV on October 16, 2020, 08:44:21 PM
We've had a good line in big arse merchants of the highest quality. Barry, Stan and now SJM.Heskey.
Post by: Louzie0 on October 16, 2020, 09:00:35 PM
My heroWe've had a good line in big arse merchants of the highest quality. Barry, Stan and now SJM.Heskey.
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Post by: Steve67 on October 18, 2020, 10:48:50 PM
A man who didn't have a big arse but used what he did have to perfection was Kenny Dalgleish.
Mark Hughes was brilliant at using his arse. SJM does it even better. Great turn for the pass and goal tonight. He is getting better each game.
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Post by: Drummond on October 23, 2020, 09:56:27 AM
For monthsI have been racking my brains regarding who my favourite Villa player reminds me of in appearance. It is not a person. It is a biscuit. A gingerbread man with two pressed in currants for eyes. Run run as fast as you can. You can't catch me. I'm the gingerbread man.
Hahaha!
Post by: Drummond on October 23, 2020, 09:57:18 AM
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 23, 2020, 11:28:45 AM
It just great to see him back to his best, he's a truly fabulous player and what a shame we lost him for so long last season.
Great to have him and his arse back to full fitness. His enthusiasm is infectious throughout the team
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I think he needs to lose some weight.
Same
(I’m not agreeing just saying so do I )
Post by: eamonn on December 11, 2020, 07:57:58 PM
*Please don't
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Has not looked the same player since his injury
I think that's true, by and large, but he has shown the old him in patches.
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Edit: before anyone reports me, this is not a dig at anyone’s sexual practices.
Post by: Bobby Boy on December 12, 2020, 12:21:16 PM
Class is permanent though so the consistency will come.
Post by: olaftab on December 12, 2020, 01:53:58 PM
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Post by: brontebilly on December 12, 2020, 06:07:47 PM
Post by: Clampy on December 12, 2020, 07:57:38 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 12, 2020, 08:04:48 PM
Still not there yet.
Post by: Mister E on December 12, 2020, 08:29:27 PM
Pen, and a decent cross that Watkins missed aside, thought McGinn was dreadful again. A passenger in truth with and without the ball.LOL
Post by: Ian. on December 12, 2020, 08:54:20 PM
Pen, and a decent cross that Watkins missed aside, thought McGinn was dreadful again. A passenger in truth with and without the ball.LOL
Errrrr, really?
Not you Mister E.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 12, 2020, 08:58:57 PM
Same I thought he did ok, got caught In Possession a couple of times but was still trying to win the game at the end.
Still not there yet.
Agree and thought he looked quite sluggish at times. I'm not sure that playing in a more deeper role alongside Luiz really suits him and I think if we are going to move forwards then we need a more and physical option in there.
That might mean a choice between McGinn and Barkley in the more advanced role.
Post by: D.boy on December 14, 2020, 07:41:33 AM
Post by: in exile on December 14, 2020, 10:32:55 AM
Post by: SheffieldVillain on December 17, 2020, 09:51:39 AM
Needs to go carefully as he's got an inevitable suspension coming up one booking away now having 4 cards. The one against Wolves was poor from Mike Dean .
SjM has played every minute this season he'll need a rest at some point be it the suspension ? Or just a rest.
If Barkley's back, might as well get the suspension and rest done at the same time. A few studs down the back of Ben Mee's leg should do the trick.
Post by: Risso on December 17, 2020, 01:26:47 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 17, 2020, 01:48:04 PM
"Any player earning five bookings from his side's first 19 Premier League matches will have to serve a one-match ban in the same competition. Players who accumulate 10 yellow cards in Premier League matches up to and including their sides' 32nd fixture will serve a two-match suspension in the competition."
Post by: paul_e on December 17, 2020, 02:30:36 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 18, 2020, 07:35:34 AM
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Post by: in exile on December 21, 2020, 09:39:13 AM
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 21, 2020, 10:05:53 AM
Post by: Mister E on December 21, 2020, 10:12:53 AM
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 22, 2020, 06:18:11 PM
Thought he was very impressive in the first half. Less so in the second, left too much of the playmaking to Luiz I thought but maybe was under instruction to push further forward. Really should have buried that header. Needs to work on his shooting from distance, it's gone to pot recently.
Agree about the shooting but the keeper had his header covered at the near post. Great move though.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 25, 2020, 02:40:43 PM
Post by: LukeJames on December 25, 2020, 02:48:15 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on December 25, 2020, 04:05:31 PM
Post by: nigel on December 25, 2020, 06:35:47 PM
He was asked what SJM is like as a neighbour.
He said he’s great, but you have to be on guard as he has a habit of jumping out of the hedge at you 😂
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 25, 2020, 07:02:12 PM
Love the man and the player.
Post by: Ian. on December 25, 2020, 08:20:40 PM
Post by: Mister E on December 26, 2020, 09:31:15 AM
Images of SJM sitting in a hedge for hours waiting for Targett to come out of his house."Not now, Kato!"
Love the man and the player.
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 26, 2020, 09:46:52 AM
Images of SJM sitting in a hedge for hours waiting for Targett to come out of his house."Not now, Kato!"
Love the man and the player.
Excellent (but may have to explain to the younger ones)
Post by: Steve67 on December 26, 2020, 10:22:23 PM
Post by: CT on December 28, 2020, 07:28:30 PM
What a shift tonight. Herculean.
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 28, 2020, 07:43:38 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 28, 2020, 07:44:34 PM
Just love this bloke. What a performance today.
Post by: Malandro on December 28, 2020, 07:46:54 PM
Just shows what you miss when watching the game on TV- well what I miss, at least.
Post by: Risso on December 28, 2020, 07:51:03 PM
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Post by: eamonn on December 29, 2020, 11:26:56 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on December 29, 2020, 11:32:38 AM
Colossal performance tonight. Full of energy and tenacity. Rsttles the bar too, so unlucky.
Yep, where others were obviously flagging from back to back games he looked as though he could play again tonight.
Post by: Singapore Villa on December 29, 2020, 01:13:08 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 29, 2020, 03:01:05 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1343874906363101185?s=21
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 29, 2020, 03:16:58 PM
Post by: Steve67 on December 29, 2020, 06:04:36 PM
Post by: LukeJames on January 20, 2021, 08:58:20 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 20, 2021, 09:05:13 PM
Post by: CT on January 20, 2021, 09:06:52 PM
Post by: OCD on January 20, 2021, 09:10:14 PM
His cross field passes need a bit of work....
It's not easy to hit pin point cross field passes when you've gassed your legs because you've done a lot of running immediately before. I think he hit one straight after a quick interchange of passes too and just gauged it wrong. It would be a bit unfair to start picking individual errors out though when we don't know who had Covid, how recently or where they are fitness-wise.
Post by: Ads on January 20, 2021, 09:16:06 PM
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 20, 2021, 09:16:24 PM
Is he banned for the weekend after being booked?
Yep.
Post by: LukeJames on January 20, 2021, 09:22:38 PM
Post by: OCD on January 20, 2021, 09:26:00 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 20, 2021, 09:30:43 PM
Newcastle play over their midfield anyway so hopefully he wont be a miss.
6 games in 18 games Smith said after the game so he will have to rotate anyway.
Ideal game for Ramsey and AEG will likely come back in too. Barkley maybe to sit it out from the start.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 20, 2021, 09:54:00 PM
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Post by: AlexAlexCropley on February 06, 2021, 05:16:46 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 06, 2021, 09:30:49 PM
I gave him an 8 today vs Arsenal thought he had super energy and had all requirements in his role. Pressed well and raised his standard.
Good to have him playing so well
Loads of energy today, a right nuisance. As is often the case with McGinn, if we win he gets an 8, lose and it’s a 6.5. Just lacking that moment of absolute quality to cement his, err quality.
Post by: Mister E on February 06, 2021, 09:42:05 PM
I gave him an 8 today vs Arsenal thought he had super energy and had all requirements in his role. Pressed well and raised his standard.Played well. I'd like to see him in the #10 role.
Good to have him playing so well
Post by: Keeno on February 06, 2021, 09:53:02 PM
Always the engine room of the team.
Post by: Ads on February 07, 2021, 02:41:47 PM
Link for audio (https://twitter.com/TyBracey/status/1358401645726609411?s=09)
Post by: LukeJames on February 07, 2021, 02:53:17 PM
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Post by: Dave on February 07, 2021, 05:05:12 PM
Post by: shirley_villan on February 07, 2021, 05:32:24 PM
I didn’t think I could love SJM any more.
Post by: Ian. on February 07, 2021, 05:57:01 PM
Post by: darren woolley on February 07, 2021, 05:59:18 PM
Post by: Mellin on February 07, 2021, 09:36:12 PM
Quick Scottish sass there and no mistake. I wonder did it cause Dyche to ponder his coat.
I went to the final day of the Edgbaston test in the last Ashes. Siddle spent most of the day at the Birmingham End and there was some good natured back and forth. I gave him some stick about having his collar up and how we don't do that in England. He spent the next 10 minutes going to adjust it and then stopping himself. Was pretty satisfying, but he had the last laugh when he turned and gave it ten once we'd been skittled for sod all.
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2021, 10:48:44 PM
‘You big prick’.
I didn’t think I could love SJM any more.
That bit did for me! The shit coat comment was funny enough, but that was just the icing on the cake.
Post by: Smithy on February 08, 2021, 03:07:16 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 08, 2021, 04:02:21 PM
Quote
At one stage, Burnley manager Sean Dyche could be heard roaring at Robbie Brady to pay attention to Hudson-Odoi’s runs, to which the Irishman had a very honest response.
“Tune in!” Dyche ordered, according to The Athletic’s Chelsea correspondent Liam Twomey.
“I know where he f**king is, I just can’t stop him,” Brady responded. “What do you want me to do?!"
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 13, 2021, 10:17:34 PM
Post by: OzVilla on February 13, 2021, 10:19:08 PM
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Post by: PaulWinch again on February 13, 2021, 10:26:56 PM
Post by: danno on February 13, 2021, 10:52:19 PM
Unfortunately he was every bit as bad offensively as he was good defensively. It can't be easy for him or Luiz when for most of the game they're outnumbered three to two.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 14, 2021, 01:29:24 AM
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 14, 2021, 07:54:00 PM
Post by: Risso on February 14, 2021, 09:36:27 PM
Post by: AV82EC on February 14, 2021, 09:42:20 PM
However that's a discussion for the summer, how do we get the best out of him now. I like the 2 x 8s theory being banded about elsewhere with Doug sitting as a number 6.
Post by: brontebilly on February 14, 2021, 10:17:24 PM
There are mitigating factors to McGinns poor form not least the defensive midfielder bit but as much as I love him is he a regular starter in a top 6 Premier League team? I think he's most at risk from any major midfield spending this summer.
However that's a discussion for the summer, how do we get the best out of him now. I like the 2 x 8s theory being banded about elsewhere with Doug sitting as a number 6.
The formation West Ham drove a horse and cart through only a couple of weeks back?
Agreed on McGinn's form. Think he struggles with a high press. His big arse only covers for a ropey enough first touch and his range of passing is quite limited. He looks to be running on empty too last few games. No zip to his movement at all.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 14, 2021, 10:30:03 PM
I'm blaming the blue shorts, they're as cursed as claret socks.
Post by: Ads on February 15, 2021, 08:11:37 AM
Post by: Mister E on February 15, 2021, 09:03:17 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 15, 2021, 10:46:10 AM
He's got 1 league goal in something like 40 games now, being the defensive midfielder definitely doesn't suit his natural game.I wish we could allow him more attacking freedom, he is not an ideal 10 but he would not give defenders in posession an easy ride.
Post by: Risso on February 15, 2021, 10:49:12 AM
Guardian highlights McGinn's performance on Saturday in their review of the weekend's Premier League here (https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2021/feb/15/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-the-weekends-action)
Seems a very strange match to highlight his performance to be honest, I thought he was largely awful.
Post by: Lsvilla on February 15, 2021, 11:03:32 AM
I thought he looked quite resilient under pressure in possession, he just seemed quick to join in with the mode du jour of giving the ball back with a shoddy pass after doing the hard bit.It’s because I bought a pair (of the shorts).
I'm blaming the blue shorts, they're as cursed as claret socks.
Post by: in exile on February 15, 2021, 11:57:04 AM
Post by: OCD on February 15, 2021, 12:08:38 PM
Post by: Pat Mustard on February 15, 2021, 12:10:41 PM
Needs dropping.
Barkley needs dropping before McGinn - bring in Sanson and give McGinn a bit more freedom to get forward.
Post by: LeeB on February 15, 2021, 12:18:27 PM
Post by: Baldy on February 15, 2021, 12:50:38 PM
Seems to be taking an unnecessary touch too often of late, although he wasn't alone with that in Saturday.
When marking him, opponents have learnt to keep a meter distance from McGinn.
Previously, they marked tighter, John would stoop, poke out his arse, push the opponent away and swivel quickly.
Now when he pokes out his arse he is only hitting fresh air.
To adapt, he probably needs a few more touches of the ball. :)
Post by: Chris Smith on February 15, 2021, 01:02:13 PM
Seems to be taking an unnecessary touch too often of late, although he wasn't alone with that in Saturday.
When marking him, opponents have learnt to keep a meter distance from McGinn.
Previously, they marked tighter, John would stoop, poke out his arse, push the opponent away and swivel quickly.
Now when he pokes out his arse he is only hitting fresh air.
To adapt, he probably needs a few more touches of the ball. :)
Or grow a bigger arse.
Post by: Baldy on February 15, 2021, 01:06:24 PM
Seems to be taking an unnecessary touch too often of late, although he wasn't alone with that in Saturday.
When marking him, opponents have learnt to keep a meter distance from McGinn.
Previously, they marked tighter, John would stoop, poke out his arse, push the opponent away and swivel quickly.
Now when he pokes out his arse he is only hitting fresh air.
To adapt, he probably needs a few more touches of the ball. :)
Or grow a bigger arse.
Could be dangerous with VAR. :)
Post by: usav on February 15, 2021, 02:23:04 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 15, 2021, 02:56:24 PM
Not passing the ball directly to the opposition right outside our penalty area would also help. He was guilty of that several times on Saturday.
Yes, although I was also going mad as every time Brighton aimed a long ball forward we happily nodded the bloody ball back to them.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 16, 2021, 10:31:28 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 16, 2021, 05:46:39 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 16, 2021, 05:55:54 PM
Post by: algy on February 16, 2021, 06:08:13 PM
No way. McGinn is great and has to stay.I agree. Love the guy, he absolutely belongs in a top 6 midfield.
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2021, 08:16:58 PM
No way. McGinn is great and has to stay.I agree. Love the guy, he absolutely belongs in a top 6 midfield.
He doesn't. He's midtable to bottom half at best.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 16, 2021, 08:25:34 PM
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2021, 08:34:10 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on February 16, 2021, 11:01:34 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 16, 2021, 11:37:06 PM
You get solid players like McGinn, who can produce moments of brilliance to accompany their all round endeavours, and supplement them with megastars.
We have one already in Grealish, I can see us adding another one or two this summer and they will love having someone like McGinn in the squad doing the dirty work for them.
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 17, 2021, 07:46:22 AM
I love the guy and would love him to stay in the squad but we will need better 1st team starters to progress im afraid
Post by: Chris Smith on February 17, 2021, 07:57:16 AM
People seem to think the top six is made up exclusively of Galacticos. There are plenty of far worse players than McGinn at, for instance, Man U.
You get solid players like McGinn, who can produce moments of brilliance to accompany their all round endeavours, and supplement them with megastars.
We have one already in Grealish, I can see us adding another one or two this summer and they will love having someone like McGinn in the squad doing the dirty work for them.
Exactly, Des Bremner was just as important as Gordon Cowans.
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2021, 10:08:24 AM
People seem to think the top six is made up exclusively of Galacticos. There are plenty of far worse players than McGinn at, for instance, Man U.
You get solid players like McGinn, who can produce moments of brilliance to accompany their all round endeavours, and supplement them with megastars.
We have one already in Grealish, I can see us adding another one or two this summer and they will love having someone like McGinn in the squad doing the dirty work for them.
To be fair to him, I think Smith is shoehorning him into the side. He's not a defensive midfielder and he looks shit trying to be one. Can't see why Smith doesn't give him a go in Barkley's position, and bring Nakamba in to partner Luiz.
Post by: danno on February 17, 2021, 10:22:39 AM
People seem to think the top six is made up exclusively of Galacticos. There are plenty of far worse players than McGinn at, for instance, Man U.
You get solid players like McGinn, who can produce moments of brilliance to accompany their all round endeavours, and supplement them with megastars.
We have one already in Grealish, I can see us adding another one or two this summer and they will love having someone like McGinn in the squad doing the dirty work for them.
To be fair to him, I think Smith is shoehorning him into the side. He's not a defensive midfielder and he looks shit trying to be one. Can't see why Smith doesn't give him a go in Barkley's position, and bring Nakamba in to partner Luiz.
I'd love to see that. Maybe when Sanson is settled it might happen. For whatever reason I don't think Smith trusts a midfield of Nakamba and Luiz.
McGinn has four assists in the PL this season, second only to Grealish with ten. So that might be why he's reluctant to take him out. As we rely on Grealish for creativity so much already.
Post by: brontebilly on February 17, 2021, 11:17:01 AM
People seem to think the top six is made up exclusively of Galacticos. There are plenty of far worse players than McGinn at, for instance, Man U.
You get solid players like McGinn, who can produce moments of brilliance to accompany their all round endeavours, and supplement them with megastars.
We have one already in Grealish, I can see us adding another one or two this summer and they will love having someone like McGinn in the squad doing the dirty work for them.
To be fair to him, I think Smith is shoehorning him into the side. He's not a defensive midfielder and he looks shit trying to be one. Can't see why Smith doesn't give him a go in Barkley's position, and bring Nakamba in to partner Luiz.
Nakamba is nowhere near good enough unfortunately. Our big problem at the moment is that our midfield duo aren't able to break the opposition press so Mings has to go long too often to Watkins. Nakamba won't improve that at all. I'm hoping that's Sanson's best position, certainly seems to have tidy footwork but the EPL is far more physical than the French league. Suspect he may need a summer in the gym to be fully ready to start regularly there.
Perhaps McGinn was one of those with covid. I don't think he has had a 7 or 8 /10 performance since (exception may be the Newcastle game). Medium/Long term I don't think he has the skill set or tactical discipline to play in that midfield two. In off the right I think is his best position with Cash overlapping outside him.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 17, 2021, 11:28:16 AM
yep, he is not a defensive midfielder and nor is Luiz. So we are shohorning both of them but Luiz looks the more natural in that position. Would love to see what SJM would do in the Barkley position, lots more than Ross I suspect.People seem to think the top six is made up exclusively of Galacticos. There are plenty of far worse players than McGinn at, for instance, Man U.
You get solid players like McGinn, who can produce moments of brilliance to accompany their all round endeavours, and supplement them with megastars.
We have one already in Grealish, I can see us adding another one or two this summer and they will love having someone like McGinn in the squad doing the dirty work for them.
To be fair to him, I think Smith is shoehorning him into the side. He's not a defensive midfielder and he looks shit trying to be one. Can't see why Smith doesn't give him a go in Barkley's position, and bring Nakamba in to partner Luiz.
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 17, 2021, 11:30:43 AM
People seem to think the top six is made up exclusively of Galacticos. There are plenty of far worse players than McGinn at, for instance, Man U.
You get solid players like McGinn, who can produce moments of brilliance to accompany their all round endeavours, and supplement them with megastars.
We have one already in Grealish, I can see us adding another one or two this summer and they will love having someone like McGinn in the squad doing the dirty work for them.
Exactly, Des Bremner was just as important as Gordon Cowans.
Agree.
SJM has returned from a serious injury and played a significant part of the season “out of position.” When we have won this is taken for granted but when we lose he goes from “Super” to plain John. Douglas Luiz is also acclimatising to a new position, both in my opinion have, on the whole, done pretty well especially taking into account 12 clean sheets! I do think that it’s not SJMs best position but he’s doing a good job for the team and I applaud that. I’m sure that Dean recognises all this and will have a cunning plan and addition to fill this role in the summer. I am definitely in SJM camp and think that he’s still got more to offer than we’ve already seen
Post by: in exile on February 17, 2021, 11:49:54 AM
...I am definitely in SJM campI used to be but not anymore.
He was outstanding in the Championship but I've not seen it replicated since we were promoted.
Post by: Ian. on February 17, 2021, 12:15:55 PM
I definitely am, I just think like Risso said he’s playing out of position. He’s so more effective higher up the pitch. Before our Covid break he was playing very well and he was starting to look like his old self before his injury....I am definitely in SJM campI used to be but not anymore.
He was outstanding in the Championship but I've not seen it replicated since we were promoted.
Post by: DrGonzo on February 17, 2021, 05:48:35 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 17, 2021, 06:08:02 PM
Best fat arsed midfielder since Barry, and he was alright too. Playing deeper this year so I think we aren't getting the best from him. Would like to see Sanson in his spot and McGinn replace Barkley on Sunday.
i love the man, but I can't see Dean Smith doing anything as radical as that.
Post by: algy on February 17, 2021, 06:14:51 PM
McGinn has been a brilliant bargain for us and is a good player but he's doesn't have the attributes or consistency for top 6.I think he's already a first team midfielder in a top 8 side, who are 4pts behind a top 6 side with 2 games in hand.
I don't think it's a ridiculous leap to say that SJM is a top 6 midfielder.
Post by: paul_e on February 17, 2021, 06:40:27 PM
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2021, 07:50:47 PM
I don't think having a 10 is working right now, I'd play McGinn and Sanson as box-to-box midfielders either side of Luiz who needs to get back to doing the Pirlo role and not having to track into the fullback areas so much.
It's not. We've gone back to giving away 20+ shots a game, and that's not a good way of winning games. A more usual flat 4-3-3 with Sanson next to McGinn and Luiz as you suggest should be the way forward. Grealish and Traore/Trez either side of Ollie, depending on the circumstances. I'd be starting Trez there at the weekend.
Post by: brontebilly on February 17, 2021, 11:07:39 PM
I don't think having a 10 is working right now, I'd play McGinn and Sanson as box-to-box midfielders either side of Luiz who needs to get back to doing the Pirlo role and not having to track into the fullback areas so much.
I don't think Luiz is good enough (yet) to play that role by himself. Any time we play with "two 8s" like against West Ham we get destroyed in midfield.
Post by: wittonwarrior on March 07, 2021, 12:45:48 PM
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 07, 2021, 06:09:57 PM
He was much more like his old self during the first half last night. He needs to be playing further forward otherwise he's only half the player.
Agreed, John. When all in front of him were clueless, he was trying to feed the ball through into the spaces and drive the team on. Beyond the defence he was the only leader out there. I just feel he's asked to do too much, be too many different types of player rather than being allowed to be the player we all know he can be. His shooting needs some work though but it will come.
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 07, 2021, 06:19:25 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 07, 2021, 07:14:15 PM
Post by: in exile on March 08, 2021, 11:51:53 AM
Post by: Risso on March 08, 2021, 04:16:43 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 08, 2021, 04:49:33 PM
Post by: LeeB on March 08, 2021, 04:56:04 PM
Post by: Mister E on March 08, 2021, 06:12:40 PM
I might be mad, but I'd look at playing him wide right. He can take the ball into feet and turn the full back, cut inside to put in shooting range or whip in crosses. I just think with his fairly unique skillset it might work and get the most out of him, and it's a position not nailed down in the team at present.I've thought that, Lee. I could see us playing 2 forwards - Watkins plus Barry, Traore, Wesley, AN other - with a fluid midfield 4 that allows McGinn and JG to drift wide as required.
Or, as you say, maintain the 4-3-3 with McGinn as part of the front three.
Post by: Risso on March 08, 2021, 06:15:45 PM
I might be mad, but I'd look at playing him wide right. He can take the ball into feet and turn the full back, cut inside to put in shooting range or whip in crosses. I just think with his fairly unique skillset it might work and get the most out of him, and it's a position not nailed down in the team at present.
He's got the skill and the quick feet but possibly not the pace to make that a success.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 08, 2021, 06:54:08 PM
midfielder for me , he is best at finding a threaded pass at the moment
Post by: LeeB on March 08, 2021, 07:12:00 PM
I might be mad, but I'd look at playing him wide right. He can take the ball into feet and turn the full back, cut inside to put in shooting range or whip in crosses. I just think with his fairly unique skillset it might work and get the most out of him, and it's a position not nailed down in the team at present.
He's got the skill and the quick feet but possibly not the pace to make that a success.
He's got decent acceleration though and he's clever enough to work half a yard, I don't think he needs to be full on rapid.
Post by: Risso on March 08, 2021, 09:26:30 PM
I might be mad, but I'd look at playing him wide right. He can take the ball into feet and turn the full back, cut inside to put in shooting range or whip in crosses. I just think with his fairly unique skillset it might work and get the most out of him, and it's a position not nailed down in the team at present.
He's got the skill and the quick feet but possibly not the pace to make that a success.
He's got decent acceleration though and he's clever enough to work half a yard, I don't think he needs to be full on rapid.
You could be right. He'd almost certainly not be as shite there as the other three consistently are. Need to develop him as the new Snodgrass.
Post by: Ian. on March 08, 2021, 09:31:01 PM
I like this idea. I really like McGinn and he’s so much better further forward. He can really cause havoc and get amongst the goals which were really lacking at the moment.I might be mad, but I'd look at playing him wide right. He can take the ball into feet and turn the full back, cut inside to put in shooting range or whip in crosses. I just think with his fairly unique skillset it might work and get the most out of him, and it's a position not nailed down in the team at present.
He's got the skill and the quick feet but possibly not the pace to make that a success.
He's got decent acceleration though and he's clever enough to work half a yard, I don't think he needs to be full on rapid.
You could be right. He'd almost certainly not be as shite there as the other three consistently are. Need to develop him as the new Snodgrass.
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 08, 2021, 09:35:22 PM
Post by: LeeB on March 08, 2021, 09:49:59 PM
I might be mad, but I'd look at playing him wide right. He can take the ball into feet and turn the full back, cut inside to put in shooting range or whip in crosses. I just think with his fairly unique skillset it might work and get the most out of him, and it's a position not nailed down in the team at present.
He's got the skill and the quick feet but possibly not the pace to make that a success.
He's got decent acceleration though and he's clever enough to work half a yard, I don't think he needs to be full on rapid.
You could be right. He'd almost certainly not be as shite there as the other three consistently are. Need to develop him as the new Snodgrass.
Snodgrass was exactly the player I had in mind when thinking of it.
Post by: brontebilly on March 08, 2021, 09:50:31 PM
McGinn is an average to decent attacking midfielder in Premier League terms. As a defensive midfielder, I think he's below average to poor. When he plays as a two in front of the defence with Luiz he's crap, he looked quite a bit better in a proper 4-3-3 getting forward more.
Crap is very strong....there were games like Liverpool, Chelsea, Man Utd, Newcastle, Arsenal where he played very well in a deeper role next to Luiz. But I think ultimately he isn't that comfortable receiving the ball facing his own goal. Teams I think have copped onto that in recent weeks and pressed our midfield leaving Mings with little option but to go direct to Watkins. It's worse when Jack isn't there obviously as another option but the Luiz/McGinn combo was dreadful against Southampton and Brighton too. Nakamba obviously isn't going to help ball retention either so it's an area we need to strengthen.
As with others I think in off the right is likely his best position. It's where he played a lot for us in the championship and early last season if I recall correctly.
Post by: eamonn on March 09, 2021, 09:32:28 AM
Then again, he's always trying to push us forward and his first time through balls are consistently top notch.
Such a frustrating player but then we have a lot of them hence upper mid-table is where we live.
Post by: in exile on March 13, 2021, 07:25:28 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2021, 08:15:49 AM
Post by: aj2k77 on March 13, 2021, 09:35:48 AM
Post by: Baldy on March 13, 2021, 09:53:46 AM
Alas, not top six material.
Post by: mr underhill on March 13, 2021, 10:30:32 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on March 13, 2021, 10:34:28 AM
The song doesn't sound the same
" We've got Mcginn"
"John Mcginn"
As far as I'm concerned for what he's done for us its staying.
Post by: Bobby Boy on March 13, 2021, 10:48:41 AM
Definitely a position we can improve on in the Summer. Games are just passing him by this season.
I'm not sure though that we have been using him effectively. The defensive midfielder role that he has played more recently negates his forward energy and drive.
In the first three games this season he had 3 assists and one goal but he hasn't really held that more forward position throughout the season. I'm still a big fan. Having two defensively minded midfielders to create a base is fine but I don't think that SJM should be one of them.
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 13, 2021, 10:56:07 AM
A busy bee who has lost his sting.
Alas, not top six material.
Don’t agree with this to be honest. He was the one trying to drive us forwards last night, he played one sublime 40 yard pass to Trez in the first half, predictably Trez took one touch then tripped over his own feet.
Post by: eamonn on March 13, 2021, 11:06:41 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 13, 2021, 11:14:01 AM
Post by: Nelly on March 13, 2021, 11:19:37 AM
Post by: OCD on March 13, 2021, 01:39:21 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on March 15, 2021, 01:39:31 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 15, 2021, 07:27:11 AM
Post by: Drummond on March 15, 2021, 10:07:04 AM
Who do we think we are? He may not have hit top form after returning from injury but he's been brilliant for us. Why are people so keen to look for scapegoats and peopel to move on after each poor result or run of games?
McGinn, Mings, Luiz, Konsa, Targett. All players that have been lauded and then vilified and suggested we should do better. How abotu giving them a chance. Look at what Targett is producing, look what Konsa is doing. See how good the others have been. We're not Champions League regulars, we're in our second season back in the Premier League.
It seems that a couple of poor performances can ruin a player on here, despite what potential they show and however many good performances they may have delivered before.
We're trying new things, players in different positions, let's see how it works, see how they develop before writing them off. McGinn is 26 and the best is yet to come.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 15, 2021, 10:30:50 AM
I think the midfield structure is wrong which gets shown up with Jack out the team.
Post by: OCD on March 15, 2021, 11:02:51 AM
Post by: Moonraker on March 15, 2021, 11:29:48 AM
Post by: ROBBO on March 15, 2021, 11:38:41 AM
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 15, 2021, 01:38:16 PM
Post by: Clampy on March 15, 2021, 01:49:37 PM
Post by: JuanMartinez on March 15, 2021, 02:06:41 PM
Post by: Drummond on March 15, 2021, 02:37:49 PM
Post by: Ian. on March 15, 2021, 02:49:03 PM
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2021, 03:56:44 PM
Why do people get so het up with people having a differing opinion? It seems to me that opining that McGinn not being good enough for where we want to be isn't really something to get so worked up over. At his consistent best he's probably good enough for the top 6-8; the way he's playing recently, he looks more like a mid to lower table player. However, I do think he's mostly been played out of position this season, as a lot of the time when chosen as a defensive midfielder he's looked quite poor. While still not quite back to his best he's looked better recently, playing in a more orthodox midfield three. At present I think there are a good number of players who need replacing before him, assuming a similar level of investment this summer as in the last couple of years.
Post by: TelfordVilla on March 15, 2021, 05:19:33 PM
Post by: brontebilly on March 16, 2021, 12:11:17 AM
Too many posters react as though this is FIFA 2021 or whatever the latest Football manager game is. In real life we should be glad the likes of SJM are happy to play for Villa, a club on the up and hopefully they will be rewarded.
McGinn has been average enough this season in truth. Some decent performances at times in the deeper role but over time he has struggled there. It's hardly heresy to suggest he needs competition for his place. Perhaps should have been rotated out of the side at times this season as has played a lot of football for club and country.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 16, 2021, 08:20:02 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 16, 2021, 08:43:58 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 16, 2021, 08:50:55 AM
Easy to forget with McGinn, he’s come from the Scottish premier, not the highest quality at the moment. Had one year in the championship, where he was excellent, then less than half a season in the premier league before a pretty serious injury. This is his first full season in the premier league and he’s being played in an unfamiliar position. Needs to have another season I think, before being judged as to whether he’s good enough for a team with top six aspirations.
Hibs are my 'Scottish team', in that if I chance upon them playing I want them to win, so I'm no expert, but I think he might have been playing in the Scottish second tier when we bought him.
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 16, 2021, 10:53:19 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 16, 2021, 11:51:42 AM
Easy to forget with McGinn, he’s come from the Scottish premier, not the highest quality at the moment. Had one year in the championship, where he was excellent, then less than half a season in the premier league before a pretty serious injury. This is his first full season in the premier league and he’s being played in an unfamiliar position. Needs to have another season I think, before being judged as to whether he’s good enough for a team with top six aspirations.
Hibs are my 'Scottish team', in that if I chance upon them playing I want them to win, so I'm no expert, but I think he might have been playing in the Scottish second tier when we bought him.
They're mine too for the same reason and I have a mate who supports them who used to live up that way.
McGinn has been okay this season. I wish that disallowed goal he scored at Arsenal stood or that rasping shot he had against Chelsea had gone in as he needs a goal or two to give him a bit more confidence in his game. That's what he's lacking in my opinion.
Post by: eamonn on March 19, 2021, 09:54:35 AM
Post by: Risso on March 19, 2021, 10:35:32 AM
He's been interviewed for Football Focus tomorrow. In the preview clip he discusses his nickname in Scotland (inventive - "Meatball"), at Villa (boring - "Ginny") and his new one back in Scotland again (resourceful - "Guinea Pig").
I'd go with McGinnster's Pasty
Post by: OCD on March 19, 2021, 11:02:45 AM
Post by: eamonn on March 19, 2021, 01:04:56 PM
Post by: darren woolley on March 22, 2021, 05:13:31 PM
Jesus.
Who do we think we are? He may not have hit top form after returning from injury but he's been brilliant for us. Why are people so keen to look for scapegoats and peopel to move on after each poor result or run of games?
McGinn, Mings, Luiz, Konsa, Targett. All players that have been lauded and then vilified and suggested we should do better. How abotu giving them a chance. Look at what Targett is producing, look what Konsa is doing. See how good the others have been. We're not Champions League regulars, we're in our second season back in the Premier League.
It seems that a couple of poor performances can ruin a player on here, despite what potential they show and however many good performances they may have delivered before.
We're trying new things, players in different positions, let's see how it works, see how they develop before writing them off. McGinn is 26 and the best is yet to come.
Totally agree with you Drummond.
Post by: Mister E on March 22, 2021, 06:41:23 PM
Post by: Bad English on March 22, 2021, 06:54:53 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 22, 2021, 07:30:14 PM
The midfield does not look balanced, it actually looked better with Nakamba.
Post by: brontebilly on March 22, 2021, 08:26:12 PM
He showed for the ball more than any other midfielder, he worked his nuts off. Yes he made a few mistakes but I really think the criticism is unwarranted. He is trying to cover back as well as drive attacks.
The midfield does not look balanced, it actually looked better with Nakamba.
Agreed, he is making mistakes but when trying to do the right thing. That's across this rancid run, one of the few players to get a pass for me. Sanson's struggles maybe can be expected but Luiz was pretty much hiding v Spurs. McGinn was trying to cover all that. Thought he played some good passes down the left channel at times.
Post by: CT on March 25, 2021, 09:35:19 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on March 25, 2021, 09:39:18 PM
Drummond you're spot on.Jesus.
Who do we think we are? He may not have hit top form after returning from injury but he's been brilliant for us. Why are people so keen to look for scapegoats and peopel to move on after each poor result or run of games?
McGinn, Mings, Luiz, Konsa, Targett. All players that have been lauded and then vilified and suggested we should do better. How abotu giving them a chance. Look at what Targett is producing, look what Konsa is doing. See how good the others have been. We're not Champions League regulars, we're in our second season back in the Premier League.
It seems that a couple of poor performances can ruin a player on here, despite what potential they show and however many good performances they may have delivered before.
We're trying new things, players in different positions, let's see how it works, see how they develop before writing them off. McGinn is 26 and the best is yet to come.
Totally agree with you Drummond.
Dromm
Post by: Rudy65 on March 25, 2021, 09:52:10 PM
Jesus.
Who do we think we are? He may not have hit top form after returning from injury but he's been brilliant for us. Why are people so keen to look for scapegoats and peopel to move on after each poor result or run of games?
McGinn, Mings, Luiz, Konsa, Targett. All players that have been lauded and then vilified and suggested we should do better. How abotu giving them a chance. Look at what Targett is producing, look what Konsa is doing. See how good the others have been. We're not Champions League regulars, we're in our second season back in the Premier League.
It seems that a couple of poor performances can ruin a player on here, despite what potential they show and however many good performances they may have delivered before.
We're trying new things, players in different positions, let's see how it works, see how they develop before writing them off. McGinn is 26 and the best is yet to come.
In SJM’s case it isn’t a Couple though is it
Just heard he’s scored with an OH kick tonight for the Scots😉
Post by: Risso on March 25, 2021, 10:07:50 PM
Post by: brian green on March 25, 2021, 10:16:13 PM
Post by: villa for life on March 26, 2021, 10:43:29 AM
Hopefully, if we can add the right players to our squad, Mcginn can go back to his old role and show everyone that he is still just as good as he used to be.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 26, 2021, 11:18:48 AM
Post by: Pat Mustard on March 26, 2021, 11:49:10 AM
Post by: robbo1874 on March 26, 2021, 12:05:38 PM
My guess is after our terrible defensive record last season Dean wanted to make sure it wasn't repeated and to his credit it hasn't. SJM has certainly played his part in us having one of the best defensive records in the league but in doing that we've lost his attacking side and goals. Maybe it was also seen as a safer bet this season with him coming back from a long term injury whereby he wouldn't have to be running up and down the pitch. Whatever the reason was/is, McGinn for me is a natural box to box midfielder and the sooner we get him doing that the better. By playing him in a defensive role we only get half the player.I agree with this. His threat going forwards has been nullified by being played deeper. I think Nakamba might be the key to helping McGinn get forward more and attack.
Post by: Clampy on March 26, 2021, 12:07:30 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 26, 2021, 12:26:19 PM
Post by: darren woolley on March 26, 2021, 08:07:06 PM
Post by: Mister E on March 31, 2021, 10:13:15 PM
Post by: paul_e on March 31, 2021, 10:51:40 PM
Post by: villa for life on April 01, 2021, 12:23:54 AM
This period when Jack has been out would have been the perfect time to make the change...
Post by: JuanMartinez on April 01, 2021, 12:27:53 AM
McGinn should be playing in the Ross Barkley-Sanson role, like he did previously. The decision to turn him into a defensive central midfielder is mind boggling, and for me ranks as the biggest regret of the season. Watkins would have been a major beneficiary, as well.
This period when Jack has been out would have been the perfect time to make the change...
Agreed,
Good post.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 01, 2021, 08:13:26 AM
We have been crying out for support of Watkins up front. All we have done is rotate AEG,Trez and Traore. When it obvious where we should be deploying SJM.McGinn should be playing in the Ross Barkley-Sanson role, like he did previously. The decision to turn him into a defensive central midfielder is mind boggling, and for me ranks as the biggest regret of the season. Watkins would have been a major beneficiary, as well.
This period when Jack has been out would have been the perfect time to make the change...
Agreed,
Good post.
It looks like a major fuck up.
Post by: Clampy on April 01, 2021, 08:16:00 AM
McGinn should be playing in the Ross Barkley-Sanson role, like he did previously. The decision to turn him into a defensive central midfielder is mind boggling, and for me ranks as the biggest regret of the season. Watkins would have been a major beneficiary, as well.
This period when Jack has been out would have been the perfect time to make the change...
I agree overall and I hope he is put back there eventually but you could also argue that he has helped play his part in the defence keeping as many clean sheets as they have.
Post by: Mister E on April 01, 2021, 08:39:21 AM
With a EPL status assured, this is a time to try new things and seek to optimise player-contribution.
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2021, 09:01:26 AM
We have been crying out for support of Watkins up front. All we have done is rotate AEG,Trez and Traore. When it obvious where we should be deploying SJM.McGinn should be playing in the Ross Barkley-Sanson role, like he did previously. The decision to turn him into a defensive central midfielder is mind boggling, and for me ranks as the biggest regret of the season. Watkins would have been a major beneficiary, as well.
This period when Jack has been out would have been the perfect time to make the change...
Agreed,
Good post.
It looks like a major fuck up.
It's one of Smith's biggest failings, lack of tactical flexibility, and sticking to the same tired subs that never, ever change a match. The completely ineffective rotation of the AEG, Traore and Trez is really dispiriting.
Post by: Drummond on April 01, 2021, 09:26:29 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 01, 2021, 09:29:41 AM
if Clarke can work this out.We have been crying out for support of Watkins up front. All we have done is rotate AEG,Trez and Traore. When it obvious where we should be deploying SJM.McGinn should be playing in the Ross Barkley-Sanson role, like he did previously. The decision to turn him into a defensive central midfielder is mind boggling, and for me ranks as the biggest regret of the season. Watkins would have been a major beneficiary, as well.
This period when Jack has been out would have been the perfect time to make the change...
Agreed,
Good post.
It looks like a major fuck up.
It's one of Smith's biggest failings, lack of tactical flexibility, and sticking to the same tired subs that never, ever change a match. The completely ineffective rotation of the AEG, Traore and Trez is really dispiriting.
A front 3 of Jack Ollie and SJM would be fun to watch.
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 01, 2021, 05:38:37 PM
McGinn should be playing in the Ross Barkley-Sanson role, like he did previously. The decision to turn him into a defensive central midfielder is mind boggling, and for me ranks as the biggest regret of the season. Watkins would have been a major beneficiary, as well.
This period when Jack has been out would have been the perfect time to make the change...
I agree overall and I hope he is put back there eventually but you could also argue that he has helped play his part in the defence keeping as many clean sheets as they have.
Yeah agree, I presume Smith knew that SJM could be relied on to help out
Post by: Ian. on April 01, 2021, 05:51:49 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 01, 2021, 06:04:19 PM
Post by: exigo on April 01, 2021, 06:38:17 PM
Would be worth giving him a go where Barkley was earlier in the season.
On the bench at Chelsea?
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2021, 06:45:48 PM
One of his biggest? Makes it sound likes he's an error-strewn type?
Fair point. His main, if not only weakness.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 01, 2021, 09:56:41 PM
I think it is the most pressing need recruitment wise.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 01, 2021, 09:58:38 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 01, 2021, 11:27:03 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 01, 2021, 11:29:31 PM
Martinez
Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett
Luiz-Nakamba
Traore-McGinn-Grealish
Watkins
Post by: Ian. on April 01, 2021, 11:55:43 PM
Post by: Risso on April 02, 2021, 12:07:35 AM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on April 02, 2021, 12:21:02 AM
I think that this might be our best team at present:
Martinez
Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett
Luiz-Nakamba
Traore-McGinn-Grealish
Watkins
I'd agree with that.
Post by: West Derby Villan on April 02, 2021, 11:31:24 AM
I think that this might be our best team at present:
Martinez
Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett
Luiz-Nakamba
Traore-McGinn-Grealish
Watkins
Definitely worth a try
Post by: in exile on April 02, 2021, 11:52:51 AM
Me too.I think that this might be our best team at present:
Martinez
Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett
Luiz-Nakamba
Traore-McGinn-Grealish
Watkins
I'd agree with that.
Post by: Clampy on April 02, 2021, 11:57:29 AM
Post by: Mister E on April 02, 2021, 12:10:01 PM
Martinez
Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett
Luiz-Nakamba
Sanson-McGinn-Grealish
Watkins
Save Traore to come in as an impact sub.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 02, 2021, 12:28:23 PM
We have Nakamba, Luiz, Ramsey and Sanson.Only Nakamba looks a natural in that position but has other limitations.
I don’t think any of them can do the job Hojbjerg does for example.
Post by: achilles on April 02, 2021, 05:00:19 PM
Martinez
Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett
Luiz-Nakamba
Ramsey
McGinn-Grealish
Watkins
The full backs giving us the width, Ramsey to give midfield cover, with McGinn and Grealish to support Watkins
Post by: paul_e on April 02, 2021, 06:19:39 PM
Cash Konsa Mings Targett
Luiz Mcginn Nakamba
Grealish
Watkins AEG
Let McGinn and the full backs get up the pitch early and have Watkins and AEG as wide strikers trying to either pull the fullbacks narrow or the centre-backs wide. Grealish as a false 9 occupying the defensive midfielder so McGinn can run beyond him into the box. Basically the only person in the front 4 who is in a normal position to be marked is Grealish and we use that to our advantage because he'd be tightly marked anywhere on the pitch anyway.
Post by: Mister E on April 02, 2021, 07:27:30 PM
Martinezit would be interesting to see this, Paul. Not sure it will happen!!
Cash Konsa Mings Targett
Luiz Mcginn Nakamba
Grealish
Watkins AEG
Let McGinn and the full backs get up the pitch early and have Watkins and AEG as wide strikers trying to either pull the fullbacks narrow or the centre-backs wide. Grealish as a false 9 occupying the defensive midfielder so McGinn can run beyond him into the box. Basically the only person in the front 4 who is in a normal position to be marked is Grealish and we use that to our advantage because he'd be tightly marked anywhere on the pitch anyway.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 02, 2021, 07:58:31 PM
I think that this might be our best team at present:
Martinez
Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett
Luiz-Nakamba
Traore-McGinn-Grealish
Watkins
Maybe it's time to start trusting the defence, do we really need 7 out of our 11 players in defensive roles? I'd move it up a level with SJM and Luiz playing box to box in front of Marvelous. Attack as a team, defend as a team.
Martinez
Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett
Nakamba
Luiz - McGinn
Traore------------Grealish
Watkins
Post by: Ian. on April 02, 2021, 08:15:16 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on April 11, 2021, 10:14:20 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 11, 2021, 10:24:24 AM
The only difference from yesterday is JackI think that this might be our best team at present:
Martinez
Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett
Luiz-Nakamba
Traore-McGinn-Grealish
Watkins
Maybe it's time to start trusting the defence, do we really need 7 out of our 11 players in defensive roles? I'd move it up a level with SJM and Luiz playing box to box in front of Marvelous. Attack as a team, defend as a team.
Martinez
Cash-Konsa-Mings-Targett
Nakamba
Luiz - McGinn
Traore------------Grealish
Watkins
Post by: Rudy65 on April 11, 2021, 05:24:38 PM
Shit, again. We've got to have an eye on replacing him next season. He's had a handful of really good Premier League games in nearly 2 seasons.
Just didn’t seem to be involved
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 11, 2021, 05:36:42 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 11, 2021, 05:38:39 PM
Post by: Bobby Boy on April 11, 2021, 05:47:52 PM
one of a few players who is good enough for a mid-table side, but if we want to be top 6 then we would replace him at some point.
I think that he is of a higher quality than that and is being undermined by the fact that our other midfielders and wingers are so disappointing. There's only so much that he can do with the personnel around him. With better players I'm sure that Super John McGinn would indeed be Super again.
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 11, 2021, 06:37:37 PM
one of a few players who is good enough for a mid-table side, but if we want to be top 6 then we would replace him at some point.
I think that he is of a higher quality than that and is being undermined by the fact that our other midfielders and wingers are so disappointing. There's only so much that he can do with the personnel around him. With better players I'm sure that Super John McGinn would indeed be Super again.
Completely agree with this and playing him further forward more regularly. I think he’ll shine at the Euros as well.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 11, 2021, 06:44:50 PM
one of a few players who is good enough for a mid-table side, but if we want to be top 6 then we would replace him at some point.
I think that he is of a higher quality than that and is being undermined by the fact that our other midfielders and wingers are so disappointing. There's only so much that he can do with the personnel around him. With better players I'm sure that Super John McGinn would indeed be Super again.
Completely agree with this and playing him further forward more regularly. I think he’ll shine at the Euros as well.
Where he has mainly worse players around him? I agree he’s better playing further forward. He’s doing okay where he is though.
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 11, 2021, 06:53:02 PM
one of a few players who is good enough for a mid-table side, but if we want to be top 6 then we would replace him at some point.
I think that he is of a higher quality than that and is being undermined by the fact that our other midfielders and wingers are so disappointing. There's only so much that he can do with the personnel around him. With better players I'm sure that Super John McGinn would indeed be Super again.
Completely agree with this and playing him further forward more regularly. I think he’ll shine at the Euros as well.
Where he has mainly worse players around him? I agree he’s better playing further forward. He’s doing okay where he is though.
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True, and see my contradiction, but different factors, playing for his country at a major tourno, he’s one of the main men for them etc etc. Point is I think he’s still good enough to be one of our main men over next couple of years
Post by: eamonn on April 11, 2021, 07:12:21 PM
Post by: OCD on April 11, 2021, 07:24:55 PM
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2021, 10:46:32 PM
I'd like to see McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey and Sanson playing alongside someone like that before we change anything else in there. I also think Chukwuemeka will break-through as the backup for that player pretty soon so someone he can learn from would be fantastic. The problem is I have no idea who the right player is, I haven't watched any European football this year and I've only half-watched domestic games other than ours (usually as something in the background whilst I'm working).
I think all the midfielders could make that circular argument "It's not me, it's the other ones!" McGinn and Luiz are good central midfielders - probably good enough for the top half but only if they have someone else in there alongside them who is better. Barkley and Nakamba aren't and it's too early to say if Sanson or Ramsey will be. It's a key position we need to strengthen in the summer - a genuinely top-class midfielder who will walk into the team. Probably would help if he has athleticism and height too. I hope Lange has been scouting someone like Soucek.
This mostly covers it but I don't agree with the bold bit. Midfield is all about finding a group of players that complement each other in a way that lets them all play their natural game.
Post by: LeeB on April 12, 2021, 10:17:43 AM
As I've said a few times now the issue is that the balance of the midfield isn't right. A fit and in form Barkley ahead of McGinn and Luiz looked easily top 6 standard but Barkley just isn't capable of playing at that level consistently. On that basis the first signing this summer needs to be a replacement for him, someone with pace, strength and a good shot on them who wants to boss the midfield and take advantage of the space that Jack creates.
I'd like to see McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey and Sanson playing alongside someone like that before we change anything else in there. I also think Chukwuemeka will break-through as the backup for that player pretty soon so someone he can learn from would be fantastic. The problem is I have no idea who the right player is, I haven't watched any European football this year and I've only half-watched domestic games other than ours (usually as something in the background whilst I'm working).I think all the midfielders could make that circular argument "It's not me, it's the other ones!" McGinn and Luiz are good central midfielders - probably good enough for the top half but only if they have someone else in there alongside them who is better. Barkley and Nakamba aren't and it's too early to say if Sanson or Ramsey will be. It's a key position we need to strengthen in the summer - a genuinely top-class midfielder who will walk into the team. Probably would help if he has athleticism and height too. I hope Lange has been scouting someone like Soucek.
This mostly covers it but I don't agree with the bold bit. Midfield is all about finding a group of players that complement each other in a way that lets them all play their natural game.
Agreed, and for a fleeting moment it had looked like Barkley had done just that.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 12, 2021, 10:38:41 AM
Post by: eamonn on April 21, 2021, 10:45:09 PM
Aston Villa midfielder John McGinn, speaking to Sky Sports: "It was just my feeling on the pitch but that was the best 90 minutes I have seen [from an opposition team]. It was a nightmare to be perfectly honest."
Did he play in the 1-6 defeat last season?! Fair play for his honesty, though. That goal should give him and Dean confidence to keep playing him further forward. He must have been annoyed that he had to drop deep again to accommodate Barkley when he came on.
Post by: Smirker on April 21, 2021, 10:48:14 PM
Post by: paul_e on April 21, 2021, 11:00:07 PM
Meatball speaks:
Aston Villa midfielder John McGinn, speaking to Sky Sports: "It was just my feeling on the pitch but that was the best 90 minutes I have seen [from an opposition team]. It was a nightmare to be perfectly honest."
Did he play in the 1-6 defeat last season?! Fair play for his honesty, though. That goal should give him and Dean confidence to keep playing him further forward. He must have been annoyed that he had to drop deep again to accommodate Barkley when he came on.
I think he's spot on there, it's what I was getting at when I said I don't think we were out of that because of a lack of fitness or effort, that was all about them moving the ball around quickly and accurately and us just not being able to get hold of it.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 21, 2021, 11:00:47 PM
That goal should give him and Dean confidence to keep playing him further forward. He must have been annoyed that he had to drop deep again to accommodate Barkley when he came on.
It's a shame SJM has had to play so long as a defensive midfielder this season and it was only his goals for Scotland that forced Dean to have a rethink. There's more and better to come from him.
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 22, 2021, 06:08:55 PM
That goal should give him and Dean confidence to keep playing him further forward. He must have been annoyed that he had to drop deep again to accommodate Barkley when he came on.
It's a shame SJM has had to play so long as a defensive midfielder this season and it was only his goals for Scotland that forced Dean to have a rethink. There's more and better to come from him.
Doesn's suit him one iota playing deep, he's like a fish out of water or a blue's player in a villa kit
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 22, 2021, 11:10:53 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 23, 2021, 09:26:25 AM
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Post by: cdbearsfan on April 24, 2021, 11:16:35 PM
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Post by: aj2k77 on April 26, 2021, 07:54:21 AM
SJM is becoming a problem, playing in midfield only highlights his lack of control, constantly not controlling the ball or just plain bad passing is hurting us in midfield. He has not regained the form that made him a stand out two years ago.
In the Championship. In two years in the Premier League, how many times has he looked the part? Center Mid is the heart of a team and we don't have control of games because we don't have the center mids to do it.
He shouldn't be a guaranteed starter next season if we mean to move onwards.
Post by: Monty on April 26, 2021, 08:07:45 AM
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Post by: brontebilly on April 26, 2021, 08:27:32 AM
Could it be that the super star status he has been gifted in the Scotland team gone to his head? Good against weaker opposition but found wanting againot sterner opposition?
You don't get much weaker than the second worst team in the division! It was an easy night to play in midfield with the ball as there was zero pressing or tackling really. McGinn lacks a bit of patience with the ball and opponents have wised up to his arse roll. It disguises a heavy touch as seen in the first half when his first touch gifted them possession in front of their box. Like Luiz, once they are turned they don't seem to have any recovery speed.
McGinn would be better higher up the pitch I think. Instead of Traore possibly.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 26, 2021, 09:07:15 AM
Post by: paul_e on April 26, 2021, 09:09:51 AM
Post by: WarszaVillan on April 26, 2021, 09:16:10 AM
A lot of pundits and the press are claiming he was great yesterday, a lot on here thought he was shit, I think the reality is he was somewhere in between, a couple of heavy touches let him down badly and there were a few passes where I don't think he looked before playing the ball but he also pressed them well, kept the ball moving through midfield and made himself available.
Made a couple of great passes as well. His through ball for Watkin's chance in the 2nd half was top class and it was nice pass for Davis's goal
Post by: paul_e on April 26, 2021, 09:34:05 AM
A lot of pundits and the press are claiming he was great yesterday, a lot on here thought he was shit, I think the reality is he was somewhere in between, a couple of heavy touches let him down badly and there were a few passes where I don't think he looked before playing the ball but he also pressed them well, kept the ball moving through midfield and made himself available.
Made a couple of great passes as well. His through ball for Watkin's chance in the 2nd half was top class and it was nice pass for Davis's goal
Indeed, as I say very much a mixed bag for me and I'm not sure why he's been singled out for so much criticism on here. All I can think is that it's mostly a result of that one really bad first touch in the first half which really sticks in the mind.
Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2021, 11:35:32 AM
A lot of pundits and the press are claiming he was great yesterday, a lot on here thought he was shit, I think the reality is he was somewhere in between, a couple of heavy touches let him down badly and there were a few passes where I don't think he looked before playing the ball but he also pressed them well, kept the ball moving through midfield and made himself available.
Made a couple of great passes as well. His through ball for Watkin's chance in the 2nd half was top class and it was nice pass for Davis's goal
Indeed, as I say very much a mixed bag for me and I'm not sure why he's been singled out for so much criticism on here. All I can think is that it's mostly a result of that one really bad first touch in the first half which really sticks in the mind.
That was funny, it went further than I can kick it these days.
Post by: Risso on April 26, 2021, 11:46:10 AM
Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2021, 12:01:16 PM
Not as funny as Traore attempting to head the ball in an acre of space. It's like me on a Tuesday night when somebody skies one and I don't fancy it, so pretend to be blinded by the lights or fooled by the bounce.
That was funny too, just as the commentary was lauding Mings for his clearing header. Still, Luke Ayling attempting a cross field pass with the outside of his foot against Man Utd was funnier than both put together, the top knott twat.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 26, 2021, 12:15:00 PM
SJM is becoming a problem, playing in midfield only highlights his lack of control, constantly not controlling the ball or just plain bad passing is hurting us in midfield. He has not regained the form that made him a stand out two years ago.
In the Championship. In two years in the Premier League, how many times has he looked the part? Center Mid is the heart of a team and we don't have control of games because we don't have the center mids to do it.
He shouldn't be a guaranteed starter next season if we mean to move onwards.
He was good when we first came up, better than Jack imo who didn't fully get going until October/November. 3 goals in first 6 games I think.
Obviously the injury set him back but he did start the season well in terms of general performance.
We all want him to be another Milner for us but there's a gulf between the two.
It is odd how he never ever gets taken off. Fair enough yesterday he was still fighting and getting on the ball plenty at the end which created chances but also many games in recent times when it's fizzled out and he's offered as little as anyone else second half in final third.
Luiz has had spells on the bench in last 3 months so don't get why SJM is protected species, guess DS just showing incredible loyalty to him for the promotion season but I think we will have to snap out of that mentality sooner or later.
Post by: Bobby Boy on April 26, 2021, 12:19:20 PM
A lot of pundits and the press are claiming he was great yesterday, a lot on here thought he was shit, I think the reality is he was somewhere in between, a couple of heavy touches let him down badly and there were a few passes where I don't think he looked before playing the ball but he also pressed them well, kept the ball moving through midfield and made himself available.
Made a couple of great passes as well. His through ball for Watkin's chance in the 2nd half was top class and it was nice pass for Davis's goal
Indeed, as I say very much a mixed bag for me and I'm not sure why he's been singled out for so much criticism on here. All I can think is that it's mostly a result of that one really bad first touch in the first half which really sticks in the mind.
That was funny, it went further than I can kick it these days.
'Doing a Benteke'. Fantastic 19 goal season but boy, could he miscontrol a football.
As has been said I felt that McGinn was a mixture of the sublime and the ridiculous yesterday. I wonder whether at times he is trying to too hard to instill some urgency into our play but the execution can be off.
I really like him though. He's a class act.
Post by: Drummond on April 26, 2021, 12:39:02 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 26, 2021, 03:23:56 PM
I admire his confidence to keep trying though, we'd all be moaning if he turned into a square ball merchant.
It's why he'll come through and be a better player for it. As Bobby Boy says, he's a class act, we're a long way off upgrading on him.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 16, 2021, 10:24:29 AM
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Post by: ChicagoLion on May 18, 2021, 06:20:06 AM
Post by: Steve67 on May 18, 2021, 12:59:24 PM
Would love to see him play in a set up that gets the best of him.
Anything other than further up the field and he's being wasted.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 18, 2021, 03:43:45 PM
Post by: Drummond on May 18, 2021, 04:07:21 PM
Just to be clear even though he's picked up 10 yellows again this season for 2 matches as he won't be suspended as the threshold for ten yellow cards is after 32 league matches.
Thanks for telling us all. We didn't know.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 18, 2021, 04:54:08 PM
He is definitely not suited to a 2 in the middle with Luiz and vice versa.Would love to see him play in a set up that gets the best of him.
Anything other than further up the field and he's being wasted.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 19, 2021, 08:53:16 PM
https://twitter.com/nocontextmcginn/status/1395083191422177287?s=21
Post by: danno on May 19, 2021, 08:59:17 PM
Just to be clear even though he's picked up 10 yellows again this season for 2 matches as he won't be suspended as the threshold for ten yellow cards is after 32 league matches.
Thanks for telling us all. We didn't know.
I didn't.
Post by: Nelly on May 19, 2021, 09:15:03 PM
Filthy
https://twitter.com/nocontextmcginn/status/1395083191422177287?s=21
I've not seen another player pull this off so consistently. I think I remember him doing it against Arsenal? My Scottish mate text me when he did it for them not too long ago and this one today. I'm certain there have been others. Time to re-name it The McGinn Turn.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2021, 12:15:38 AM
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Post by: Axl Rose on May 20, 2021, 07:22:04 AM
Probably his best performance of the season for me. Outstanding.
Me too. Needs to be more like that more often. I think he'll have a great Euros
Post by: olaftab on May 20, 2021, 07:50:12 AM
Post by: olaftab on May 20, 2021, 07:52:02 AM
Yes but he will have to carry his team mates most of time as some are League 1 standard.Probably his best performance of the season for me. Outstanding.
Me too. Needs to be more like that more often. I think he'll have a great Euros
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 20, 2021, 08:21:12 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on May 20, 2021, 09:03:33 AM
Yes but he will have to carry his team mates most of time as some are League 1 standard.Probably his best performance of the season for me. Outstanding.
Me too. Needs to be more like that more often. I think he'll have a great Euros
If my Gran was still here, she'd have raised her eyebrow at you, mate! :)
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 20, 2021, 09:05:56 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 20, 2021, 01:39:16 PM
He’s now a established Premier League midfielder. Best role for him is to play up as high as he can and snap at their heels.
No better example than the very late first half chance where he literally charged through Dire (correctly spelled) I think and won the ball for Bert who slipped in Ollie. Head down, single focus. They hated him all game.
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2021, 02:12:16 PM
He's a one-off, and his best is yet to come. I reckon every other team in the league would take him if they got the chance, including the c**t 6.
Post by: john2710 on May 20, 2021, 02:23:59 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 20, 2021, 06:03:07 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 20, 2021, 06:05:33 PM
he was class.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 20, 2021, 08:56:02 PM
Just needs to watch the discipline.
Post by: Clive W on May 20, 2021, 09:10:45 PM
Watkins closes down defenders for the whole 90 minutes never giving them a chance to settle
If they work their way round Watkins they then find McGinn chewing at their ankles
After McGinn they are faced with Marvellous/Dougie
And then it’s on to our back four
Not forgetting EMI
It requires huge levels of fitness from Watkins and McGinn but they seem to have that by the bucket load
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 21, 2021, 12:31:25 AM
Post by: West Derby Villan on May 21, 2021, 11:09:33 AM
Post by: OCD on May 21, 2021, 11:58:04 AM
The issue has been his 11 yellow cards this season
Just needs to watch the discipline.
Still avoided the 10 card and 15 card cut-off points though. I can't remember whether he missed a game for getting 5 cards but it's not the end of the world.
Post by: eamonn on May 21, 2021, 01:36:05 PM
When he plays as well as the other night though he's possibly the first player you'd want on the teamsheet.
Post by: LeeB on May 21, 2021, 01:49:10 PM
No one presses like Meatball. Don't think he has the discipline/legs for a general/defensive midfield role but he's not exactly a number 10 either.
When he plays as well as the other night though he's possibly the first player you'd want on the teamsheet.
When Dier tried to come out with the ball at his feet, and McGinn chased him down from behind it put me in mind of a scared and confused wildebeest being attacked by a lion.
Post by: JD on May 24, 2021, 10:08:36 AM
Post by: SaddVillan on May 24, 2021, 10:18:09 AM
Non-stop for 90 minutes, tackling anybody, anytime, anywhere and having no respect for the foreign dilettantes playing for Chelsea.
He set the tone for the team in terms of aggression and effort and showed why he needs to be playing in front of the opposition back line instead of in front of our back four.
Post by: Monty on May 24, 2021, 10:22:46 AM
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 25, 2021, 12:14:15 AM
Finished the season very strong after a mixed enough season. Passing still very dicey at times so I don't think a role in a midfield two is where he needs to be . Would be great to get him higher up the pitch next season with Grealish as that is where he does his best work. Recovered well from a bad enough injury last season and his conditioning improved too.
Agree that he needs to be in that more advanced role next season, with Sanson challenging for that position as well. He could lead the press from there, with hopefully Grealish and a quality new signing either side of him.
Post by: Eckybloke on May 25, 2021, 08:50:46 AM
He'll be at the Euros so not much of a break even if they get knocked-out early.
When not if.
(I get to make that joke, some others don’t.)
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2021, 08:57:25 AM
Post by: KevinGage on May 25, 2021, 10:28:02 AM
No one presses like Meatball. Don't think he has the discipline/legs for a general/defensive midfield role but he's not exactly a number 10 either.
Yes. We've tried him as defensive/ deeper midfielder with more discipline and restrictions but it doesn't suit his game.
He's better up higher up, with freedom to pick passes (or pick fights) as he sees fit. El Ghazi's workrate as well as goal output have come on leaps and bounds this year. Trez was giving us plenty of workrate on the right earlier this season. Bertrand is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. From the sublime to the ridiculous - sometimes in the same move.
Only he and Jack don't really put a shift in defensively. But Jack -if the ball is anywhere near him in the opposition half- is canny enough to nick it. And does so much with it anyway you can never countenance dropping him. Unless your partial to Burton waistcoats and horse biscuits, obv.
A nuisance of right sided winger with a blast of pace will help with the press and make us even harder to play against next season. Don't give the opposition a moment's rest.
Post by: nigel on May 25, 2021, 11:47:10 AM
No one presses like Meatball. Don't think he has the discipline/legs for a general/defensive midfield role but he's not exactly a number 10 either.
Yes. We've tried him as defensive/ deeper midfielder with more discipline and restrictions but it doesn't suit his game.
He's better up higher up, with freedom to pick passes (or pick fights) as he sees fit. El Ghazi's workrate as well as goal output have come on leaps and bounds this year. Trez was giving us plenty of workrate on the right earlier this season. Bertrand is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. From the sublime to the ridiculous - sometimes in the same move.
Only he and Jack don't really put a shift in defensively. But Jack -if the ball is anywhere near him in the opposition half- is canny enough to nick it. And does so much with it anyway you can never countenance dropping him. Unless your partial to Burton waistcoats and horse biscuits, obv.
A nuisance of right sided winger with a blast of pace will help with the press and make us even harder to play against next season. Don't give the opposition a moment's rest.
That probably sums him up perfectly, and the reason I think he’s brilliant
Post by: jwarry on June 02, 2021, 01:52:33 PM
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Post by: Mister E on June 07, 2021, 05:39:05 PM
Note the comments about not being deep-lying or being shackled by too many 'tactics'.
Post by: Villa Lew on June 14, 2021, 07:22:53 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 14, 2021, 07:29:40 PM
Very jealous of your power cut. ☹
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 14, 2021, 08:43:26 PM
Very jealous of your power cut. ☹
Steve Clarke got a bit tetchy when the post-match reporter asked him about the lack of energy during the game.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 15, 2021, 01:29:41 AM
Remember the days of Billy Bremmer, Joe Jordan,Kenny Delgesh, even our own Des Bremmer, and of course Ken McNaught and Alan Evans and many more that graced the English game, sadly missing today, afraid looking at the Scottish game won't see that type of player again apart from mad John Mcginn
Their first 11 is no worse than about ten other teams in tournament. Robertson CL winner and first choice for top european club. Tierney is very good aswell but just moved to Arsenal at wrong time. McTominay awful today but regular for second placed team in league and we know SJM has limitations but he will hopefully be regular in top 8 team next season. Billy Gilmour is very promising aswell and will hopefully start v England.
All their great players in the past failed to get out of the group stages at major tournament just like this one will.
They lack a Bale type in final third but not really sure it's that much weaker aside from that (well o.k the keeper and right back were hopeless) than what Wales put out at Euro 2016. But they rode their luck a bit in the first game, took their chances and won and rode the momentum from that point while as ever Scotland do the exact opposite.
Czech republic hardly brimming with top class players themselves considering they had likes of Nedved, Baros, Cech, Rosicky 15 years ago.
Post by: dcdavecollett on June 15, 2021, 01:43:05 AM
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Post by: eamonn on June 22, 2021, 11:07:32 AM
Quote
"In Spain, if I collected the ball from the defender, I sometimes had what felt like 10 seconds on the ball. In England, against the English players, you have maybe five seconds before someone tries to remove it from you. In those early games I had for City, I had a little bit of a problem – I would take the ball from the defender with my back to the centre circle and then BAM!, the opposition would come from behind and he would dispossess me. This kept happening in those first games. I’m a big man but every game someone would try the same thing when I wasn’t looking and BAM! I remember thinking, ‘What do I do? It’s impossible to play here!’
What helped me a lot was one of the physios at City who explained it to me very simply. He said, 'You’re already a big guy, but you need to do something to deal with the shock when people run at you while you control the ball. We need to build your muscles to absorb it. We need to build the strength in your bum and hips.'
It sounds funny, but your bum can be a very important tool when you play football.
I’m sure a lot of you watched England play Scotland last week in the Euros. What impressed me in that game was how disciplined John McGinn was in midfield, taking the ball from defence and protecting it from England players before making the pass.
If you look at a picture of McGinn, you can see he has very powerful legs and hips, and there were times where you could see him get the ball with his back to an England player, smell the danger was coming and then use his bum to shield the ball from them. The bum is important as it can create a moment of space between you and another player so you have more time with the ball."
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 22, 2021, 11:09:34 AM
The secret of McGinn's arse is now out of the bag, I'm afraid:Quote"In Spain, if I collected the ball from the defender, I sometimes had what felt like 10 seconds on the ball. In England, against the English players, you have maybe five seconds before someone tries to remove it from you. In those early games I had for City, I had a little bit of a problem – I would take the ball from the defender with my back to the centre circle and then BAM!, the opposition would come from behind and he would dispossess me. This kept happening in those first games. I’m a big man but every game someone would try the same thing when I wasn’t looking and BAM! I remember thinking, ‘What do I do? It’s impossible to play here!’
What helped me a lot was one of the physios at City who explained it to me very simply. He said, 'You’re already a big guy, but you need to do something to deal with the shock when people run at you while you control the ball. We need to build your muscles to absorb it. We need to build the strength in your bum and hips.'
It sounds funny, but your bum can be a very important tool when you play football.
I’m sure a lot of you watched England play Scotland last week in the Euros. What impressed me in that game was how disciplined John McGinn was in midfield, taking the ball from defence and protecting it from England players before making the pass.
If you look at a picture of McGinn, you can see he has very powerful legs and hips, and there were times where you could see him get the ball with his back to an England player, smell the danger was coming and then use his bum to shield the ball from them. The bum is important as it can create a moment of space between you and another player so you have more time with the ball."
Well I hope he has insured his arse
Post by: eamonn on June 22, 2021, 12:47:23 PM
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Post by: fredm on June 23, 2021, 03:43:33 PM
Unlucky a couple of times tonight with half-chances at crucial times against Croatia. You get the feeling he relishes the more attacking role he has at Scotland with license to get forward. With Buendia and possibly more attacking midfield talent on the way at Villa Park this summer, I sense the shackles we put on him a little bit will continue next season.
That is why we need a big bruiser of a midfield enforcer to be signed. That would allow McGinn and also Luiz more freedom to attack.
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2021, 10:13:28 PM
Unlucky a couple of times tonight with half-chances at crucial times against Croatia. You get the feeling he relishes the more attacking role he has at Scotland with license to get forward. With Buendia and possibly more attacking midfield talent on the way at Villa Park this summer, I sense the shackles we put on him a little bit will continue next season.
That is why we need a big bruiser of a midfield enforcer to be signed. That would allow McGinn and also Luiz more freedom to attack.
Yep, when we need to be more attacking we can have Jack/Emi/Bert at 10 and McGinn/Sanson/Luiz/Ramsey as a pair in behind and when we need to be more defensive we swap the 10 out for a holding midfielder. Right now the only chocie if we want to go a bit more defensive in there is to bring Nakamba in and he's very hot and cold.
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 23, 2021, 10:44:33 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 23, 2021, 10:49:47 PM
News now (I know I shouldn't) have Liverpool interested in SJM for reputed £50m. I love the guy but I would take him in the car myself for thatStop it!
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2021, 10:51:02 PM
Post by: OCD on June 23, 2021, 11:33:22 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 23, 2021, 11:42:17 PM
News now (I know I shouldn't) have Liverpool interested in SJM for reputed £50m. I love the guy but I would take him in the car myself for that
News now (I know I shouldn't) have Liverpool interested in SJM for reputed £50m. I love the guy but I would take him in the car myself for thatStop it!
newsnow is ridiculous and has the feeling it is run by a team of 11 year olds
however i do go on it😞
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 23, 2021, 11:45:22 PM
I’ve been following the story for a few days. The talk is that Liverpool thought they could get him for £20m. We’ve supposedly told them it’s £50m with Hibs having a 10% sell-on fee. They’re not prepared to pay that.
You can’t get shit players in the PL now for £20m let alone really good ones.
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2021, 12:44:44 AM
News now (I know I shouldn't) have Liverpool interested in SJM for reputed £50m. I love the guy but I would take him in the car myself for thatNews now (I know I shouldn't) have Liverpool interested in SJM for reputed £50m. I love the guy but I would take him in the car myself for thatStop it!
newsnow is ridiculous and has the feeling it is run by a team of 11 year olds
however i do go on it😞
As I've said before it's just an aggregator, nothing you read on there was written by them, it's just appeared on a site that is considered a news source. That includes some pretty ropey blogs when it comes to football so you get made up shit.
The criticism to aim at newsnow is the low bar for inclusion on some topics.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 24, 2021, 01:06:56 AM
News now (I know I shouldn't) have Liverpool interested in SJM for reputed £50m. I love the guy but I would take him in the car myself for that
It's on the BBC (via The Athletic) and agree. I'd be inclined to accept that, much as I love SJM. Won't happen though.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 24, 2021, 08:35:33 AM
Post by: Ian. on June 24, 2021, 08:38:03 AM
I’ve been following the story for a few days. The talk is that Liverpool thought they could get him for £20m. We’ve supposedly told them it’s £50m with Hibs having a 10% sell-on fee. They’re not prepared to pay that.
I like this new model of ours, telling those special big clubs to bugger off and also sniffing around their players.
Post by: eamonn on June 24, 2021, 10:14:56 AM
I do love how the press seemingly ignore small details like him signing a brand new contract in December less than six months ago.
Nuno signed a new deal at Wolves in the autumn. Love/Money changes everything.
Post by: pooligan on June 24, 2021, 11:36:16 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 24, 2021, 11:53:55 AM
I think McGinn provides more than the sum of his footballing qualities, with his personality in the dressing room, best mates with Jack etc - but looking at it coldly if that £50m enabled us to get an excellent DM, given we have Luiz and Sanson, would be stronger over all for it?
Post by: eamonn on June 24, 2021, 12:21:01 PM
It would be the first sale of a key player under the current ownership and even at a silly amount (i.e £50m), it would knock-us back in the reputation we have worked so hard to re-establish as a big club that means business.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 24, 2021, 12:30:04 PM
Post by: in exile on June 24, 2021, 12:42:24 PM
News now (I know I shouldn't) have Liverpool interested in SJM for reputed £50m. I love the guy but I would take him in the car myself for thatGet in the queue.
Post by: TaxDodger on June 24, 2021, 12:43:24 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on June 24, 2021, 12:52:12 PM
Post by: Dick Edwards on June 24, 2021, 01:01:39 PM
I’ve been following the story for a few days. The talk is that Liverpool thought they could get him for £20m. We’ve supposedly told them it’s £50m with Hibs having a 10% sell-on fee. They’re not prepared to pay that.
If the story is actually true, it beggars belief that Super League wannabees Liverpool think they could take an international and first team regular in his prime from a Premier League rival, and one who they must also consider good enough for their team, for £20m!
Perhaps they have SJM and Conor Hourihane mixed up. They might be able to get Conor for that.
Post by: Ian. on June 24, 2021, 01:06:02 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 24, 2021, 01:18:39 PM
I think we could manage without him but Deano loves him, as does Jack...he's a tremendous character to have in the squad. One of the few examples where I'd be keener on him to stay for non-footballing reasons than what he does on the pitch (which isn't to say he's pish...he's a fine player, but we are going to be crowded by top midfield options by the end of the summer).
It would be the first sale of a key player under the current ownership and even at a silly amount (i.e £50m), it would knock-us back in the reputation we have worked so hard to re-establish as a big club that means business.
Agreed. He’s a leader like Mings who also adds more than just his ability. Think Buendia will be another one. There are quite a few in our team who would get in top 4/6 teams, which is why we are rapidly becoming one.
4 more and we’ll crack it IMO. DM, Alvarez, Smith-Rowe, JWP.
No sales.
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2021, 01:33:22 PM
I think we could manage without him but Deano loves him, as does Jack...he's a tremendous character to have in the squad. One of the few examples where I'd be keener on him to stay for non-footballing reasons than what he does on the pitch (which isn't to say he's pish...he's a fine player, but we are going to be crowded by top midfield options by the end of the summer).
It would be the first sale of a key player under the current ownership and even at a silly amount (i.e £50m), it would knock-us back in the reputation we have worked so hard to re-establish as a big club that means business.
Agreed. He’s a leader like Mings who also adds more than just his ability. Think Buendia will be another one. There are quite a few in our team who would get in top 4/6 teams, which is why we are rapidly becoming one.
4 more and we’ll crack it IMO. DM, Alvarez, Smith-Rowe, JWP.
No sales.
Rather than loooking specifically at the top 4 I think we should compare ourselves to Leicester, that's who we want to 'be' next year. If you pick the best 11 from both of us I don't think there's much in it but they have 2 big differences to us.
We have no one who compares to Ndidi and lets the 4 midfields/wingers in front of him play their game.
We haven't had a reliable backup to our primary centre forward.
Fill those 2 gaps and I honestly see nothing in the team that finished 5th that we can't match. After that we just need a bit of luck with injuries or to add depth to cover for them. If we can overtake Leicester then the top 4 isn't such abig jump from there and I don't think it would be impossible this year.
Post by: Risso on June 24, 2021, 01:43:25 PM
I think we could manage without him but Deano loves him, as does Jack...he's a tremendous character to have in the squad. One of the few examples where I'd be keener on him to stay for non-footballing reasons than what he does on the pitch (which isn't to say he's pish...he's a fine player, but we are going to be crowded by top midfield options by the end of the summer).
It would be the first sale of a key player under the current ownership and even at a silly amount (i.e £50m), it would knock-us back in the reputation we have worked so hard to re-establish as a big club that means business.
Agreed. He’s a leader like Mings who also adds more than just his ability. Think Buendia will be another one. There are quite a few in our team who would get in top 4/6 teams, which is why we are rapidly becoming one.
4 more and we’ll crack it IMO. DM, Alvarez, Smith-Rowe, JWP.
No sales.
Rather than loooking specifically at the top 4 I think we should compare ourselves to Leicester, that's who we want to 'be' next year. If you pick the best 11 from both of us I don't think there's much in it but they have 2 big differences to us.
We have no one who compares to Ndidi and lets the 4 midfields/wingers in front of him play their game.
We haven't had a reliable backup to our primary centre forward.
Fill those 2 gaps and I honestly see nothing in the team that finished 5th that we can't match. After that we just need a bit of luck with injuries or to add depth to cover for them. If we can overtake Leicester then the top 4 isn't such abig jump from there and I don't think it would be impossible this year.
I'd say in Barnes, Maddison and Tielemans they've got more consistently excellent players than we have in the attacking areas. Obviously we have Jack who is better than all of those, but the drop off in quality when Jack was missing last season was stark. Buendia is a step towards putting that right. I agree that a top quality defensive midfielder is a must. It doesn't really seem to suit either Luiz or McGinn's natural game.
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2021, 02:22:56 PM
I think we could manage without him but Deano loves him, as does Jack...he's a tremendous character to have in the squad. One of the few examples where I'd be keener on him to stay for non-footballing reasons than what he does on the pitch (which isn't to say he's pish...he's a fine player, but we are going to be crowded by top midfield options by the end of the summer).
It would be the first sale of a key player under the current ownership and even at a silly amount (i.e £50m), it would knock-us back in the reputation we have worked so hard to re-establish as a big club that means business.
Agreed. He’s a leader like Mings who also adds more than just his ability. Think Buendia will be another one. There are quite a few in our team who would get in top 4/6 teams, which is why we are rapidly becoming one.
4 more and we’ll crack it IMO. DM, Alvarez, Smith-Rowe, JWP.
No sales.
Rather than loooking specifically at the top 4 I think we should compare ourselves to Leicester, that's who we want to 'be' next year. If you pick the best 11 from both of us I don't think there's much in it but they have 2 big differences to us.
We have no one who compares to Ndidi and lets the 4 midfields/wingers in front of him play their game.
We haven't had a reliable backup to our primary centre forward.
Fill those 2 gaps and I honestly see nothing in the team that finished 5th that we can't match. After that we just need a bit of luck with injuries or to add depth to cover for them. If we can overtake Leicester then the top 4 isn't such abig jump from there and I don't think it would be impossible this year.
I'd say in Barnes, Maddison and Tielemans they've got more consistently excellent players than we have in the attacking areas. Obviously we have Jack who is better than all of those, but the drop off in quality when Jack was missing last season was stark. Buendia is a step towards putting that right. I agree that a top quality defensive midfielder is a must. It doesn't really seem to suit either Luiz or McGinn's natural game.
To be fair I was already counting in Buendia. Tielemans is the difficult one, I really rate him but I think Luiz and McGinn could get pretty close if they had someone doing more of the defensive work for them. get that signing right and I think, on balance, our midfield options would be a solid match for them, we just need that top class defensive option in there to balance things out.
Post by: eamonn on June 24, 2021, 02:43:22 PM
Is it Ward-Prowse? Or could Sanson be that defensive option? From his Marseille highlights he likes a tackle, but it's too early in his Villa performances to say he could do that for us. I fear he's another bits and pieces midfielder and we are stock-piling that type - McGinn/Luiz/Ramsey/Hourihane (if he hangs around).
I worry that our midfield will look bloated in number with too many generalists and not enough specialists come the start of the season.
Post by: jwarry on June 24, 2021, 02:48:30 PM
I don't disagree, Paul, but are we even looking for that type of player? Smith-Rowe seems to be more attack-minded and as we've made a bid, clearly we seem to want to improve more attacking options from midfield despite having Grealish and Buendia (and the two wingers).
Is it Ward-Prowse? Or could Sanson be that defensive option? From his Marseille highlights he likes a tackle, but it's too early in his Villa performances to say he could do that for us. I fear he's another bits and pieces midfielder and we are stock-piling that type - McGinn/Luiz/Ramsey/Hourihane (if he hangs around).
I worry that our midfield will look bloated in number with too many generalists and not enough specialists come the start of the season.
Before we write Sanson off let’s not forget what he can do
https://youtu.be/LVs45IPX-_s
Post by: chrisw1 on June 24, 2021, 03:51:02 PM
Post by: Mister E on June 24, 2021, 03:57:36 PM
Upping the quality of the squad as a whole (occupying opposition defences) will give players like Sanson the chance to shine, perhaps more.I don't disagree, Paul, but are we even looking for that type of player? Smith-Rowe seems to be more attack-minded and as we've made a bid, clearly we seem to want to improve more attacking options from midfield despite having Grealish and Buendia (and the two wingers).Before we write Sanson off let’s not forget what he can do
Is it Ward-Prowse? Or could Sanson be that defensive option? From his Marseille highlights he likes a tackle, but it's too early in his Villa performances to say he could do that for us. I fear he's another bits and pieces midfielder and we are stock-piling that type - McGinn/Luiz/Ramsey/Hourihane (if he hangs around).
I worry that our midfield will look bloated in number with too many generalists and not enough specialists come the start of the season.
https://youtu.be/LVs45IPX-_s
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 24, 2021, 04:00:30 PM
I'm a bit perplexed by JWP. Excellent player as I think he is again I think he'd be more suited to the McGinn, Luiz, Sanson role. I can't see him being happy being expected to be our main DM.
As far as I know, not sure we’re definitely interested. But I don’t think he’d be our DM if we did sign him.
I want us to have a strong squad with intense competition and minimal drop off in standards for injuries and suspensions. The type of squad that competes on four fronts and wins things. Like:
Martinez
Cash
Targett
Mings
Konsa
Bissouma
Ward-Prowse
McGinn
Buendia
Watkins
Grealish
Subs:
Steer
Young
Hause
Luiz
Smith-Rowe
Alvarez
Wesley
Chuck
Traore
Post by: Mister E on June 24, 2021, 04:21:18 PM
That's a helluva line-up, if we could keep them all happy (although potentially light in defensive cover).
... I want us to have a strong squad with intense competition and minimal drop off in standards for injuries and suspensions. The type of squad that competes on four fronts and wins things. Like:
Martinez
Cash
Targett
Mings
Konsa
Bissouma
Ward-Prowse
McGinn
Buendia
Watkins
Grealish
Subs:
Steer
Young
Hause
Luiz
Smith-Rowe
Alvarez
Wesley
Chuck
Traore
And, Ramsey, Barry, Ramsey Minor et al don't even make it until injuries / suspensions play a part.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 24, 2021, 04:23:10 PM
If we got Smith Rowe he'd have to start at 10 for me.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 24, 2021, 04:43:33 PM
I'd love it if we got Bissouma, Smith Rowe & JWP. So are you a playing a 6 and two 8's or McGinn at 10?
If we got Smith Rowe he'd have to start at 10 for me.
I’d play a 6 and two 8s with those three (Bissouma, JWP & SJM). Mad pressing energy with Ollie and Buendia as well. ESR would play 10 when we change formation or 11 when Jack’s out.
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2021, 04:54:13 PM
I'd love it if we got Bissouma, Smith Rowe & JWP. So are you a playing a 6 and two 8's or McGinn at 10?
If we got Smith Rowe he'd have to start at 10 for me.
I’d play a 6 and two 8s with those three (Bissouma, JWP & SJM). Mad pressing energy with Ollie and Buendia as well. ESR would play 10 when we change formation or 11 when Jack’s out.
I'd always play 2 8s but switch between a 6 or a 10 depending on the game (generally a 6 away and a 10 at home) I'd also consider some of the players as rotation options.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 24, 2021, 05:04:51 PM
I'd love it if we got Bissouma, Smith Rowe & JWP. So are you a playing a 6 and two 8's or McGinn at 10?
If we got Smith Rowe he'd have to start at 10 for me.
I’d play a 6 and two 8s with those three (Bissouma, JWP & SJM). Mad pressing energy with Ollie and Buendia as well. ESR would play 10 when we change formation or 11 when Jack’s out.
I'd always play 2 8s but switch between a 6 or a 10 depending on the game (generally a 6 away and a 10 at home) I'd also consider some of the players as rotation options.
My thoughts exactly.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 24, 2021, 05:42:11 PM
Before we write Sanson off let’s not forget what he can do
https://youtu.be/LVs45IPX-_s
Seeing that again, maybe Sanson's best position is the Barkley role. He's technically good with both feet, can play and moves right across the front, lethal shooting from just outside the box, not afraid to drop back to pick up the ball and bring it forward and the complete opposite of Ross Barkley, loves to put a shift in. Maybe we've already got our 10.
Post by: Mister E on June 24, 2021, 05:43:10 PM
Yes, what I thought.Before we write Sanson off let’s not forget what he can doSeeing that again, maybe Sanson's best position is the Barkley role. He's technically good with both feet, can play and moves right across the front, lethal shooting from just outside the box, not afraid to drop back to pick up the ball and bring it forward and the complete opposite of Ross Barkley, loves to put a shift in. Maybe we've already got our 10.
https://youtu.be/LVs45IPX-_s
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 25, 2021, 09:44:09 PM
Yes, what I thought.Before we write Sanson off let’s not forget what he can doSeeing that again, maybe Sanson's best position is the Barkley role. He's technically good with both feet, can play and moves right across the front, lethal shooting from just outside the box, not afraid to drop back to pick up the ball and bring it forward and the complete opposite of Ross Barkley, loves to put a shift in. Maybe we've already got our 10.
https://youtu.be/LVs45IPX-_s
The Smith Rowe link is great because it is a huge statement but I’d prefer that statement being applied to signing a decent DM. Bissouma being an obvious candidate.
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 25, 2021, 09:56:59 PM
One little issue I have though and I'd love some theories on.....why is he never ever subbed?
Pretty sure last season he wasn't taken off in a single game he started.
Can anyone understand the logic there? I mean it's an issue as McGinn tends to flag after 70 minutes with all the effort he puts in so we simply can't press that well if his energy levels are well down so inevitably we drop deep.
Is Dean scared to death we'd just collapse if we took him off when 1 up? Seems odd as for example we took Jack off after 70 minutes v Spurs given he was still in his comeback stage then and we held on comfortably for the win v 7th place finish. Luiz came on for him in that game IIRC and Nakamba was regulary on the bench last season so not like we hardly have any o.k midfield options to see games out, add Sanson back into the mix aswell.
Think this is where we need to get smarter next season. Have the guts to sub some of our key players off around 75/80th minute mark even if we're just a goal up as in the long run that should mean they're sharper come business end of the seasons when we always struggle to peak unless we're battling relegation.
The world won't end if McGinn is on the bench for a game or two which will happen sooner or later if we're targeting likes of Ward Prowse. He'll still do for now anyway as he's got plenty of credit in the bank.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 26, 2021, 10:39:12 AM
Seeing that again, maybe Sanson's best position is the Barkley role. He's technically good with both feet, can play and moves right across the front, lethal shooting from just outside the box, not afraid to drop back to pick up the ball and bring it forward and the complete opposite of Ross Barkley, loves to put a shift in. Maybe we've already got our 10.
He never looked that good at anything to me last season, bit of a utility player. But he came into the team midway through a season and had to adjust so no surprise.
I look at how much Nakamba, Targett and El Ghazi improved after the first season and hope we see the same uptick from Sansom. He was highly rated in France and played Champions League football, so you'd think theres more to come from him next season.
Post by: jwarry on July 01, 2021, 03:33:05 PM
😂
Post by: Risso on July 01, 2021, 04:46:11 PM
Been a bit quiet on the SJM rumours this week, wonder if it’s because his suitors have seem this https://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2021/06/30/hilarious-video-shows-john-mcginns-disastrous-attempt-at-backflip-scottish-football-news/
😂
That's not actually him is it?
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2021, 06:25:33 PM
Been a bit quiet on the SJM rumours this week, wonder if it’s because his suitors have seem this https://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2021/06/30/hilarious-video-shows-john-mcginns-disastrous-attempt-at-backflip-scottish-football-news/
😂
That's not actually him is it?
When the bloke looks up from the water it looks nothing like him
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 01, 2021, 07:43:21 PM
100% not him
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 01, 2021, 08:22:04 PM
Sorry, but the page you are looking for doesn't exist.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on July 25, 2021, 10:06:03 AM
I expect John McGinn to kick on this season. Gives the ball away too much, doesn't score many goals or create a load, but does do a lot of dirty work. Seems somewhat unedifying to say it but I'd hope for much more from him this season. I don't know whether it's the position he's being asked to play in or because he has reached his level?I was expecting Ash Young to captain though.
I love Ginny but I think the captain role is more for him at Scotland.
To me agree but Yes he grew in season latterly and became far more apparent and influential in matches and immense in leading the press or playing passes as well as the winning the ball back. Brilliant energy and to see him back to near peak levels on that side was joyous.
I also think he still must continue to work in his onfield discipline. Far too many cautions and inevitably suspending ensued.
All well and good part of his game but he could become someone who will lose out on minutes when getting cautioned so much as to be on safe side be subbed off or rotated as well as suspended and then unable to get back straight into team as squad becomes competitive.
Point being some of his cautions are avoidable. Yet he'll persist in mindless tackling which prohibits both him and the team.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 11:20:13 PM
Sounding captain esq.
And I like his attitude. "Now we’ve got players coming into good ages. We’re going to be at Villa for years to come and hopefully with the more Premier League games we get under our belt, the more experienced we are, the more we can push up the table"
Post by: CT on August 14, 2021, 12:08:55 PM
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Post by: john e on August 15, 2021, 06:15:07 PM
I thought he looked good
I’ve no idea where his best position is yet though
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 15, 2021, 06:26:22 PM
Another of the very few positives from yesterday was McGinn
I thought he looked good
I’ve no idea where his best position is yet though
based on the squad we have, I’d play three 8s. That should allow him to buzz around and get involved which is his strength, occasionally finding himself in attacking positions when we have the ball.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 28, 2021, 08:57:52 PM
Dean Smith knew earlier in week he would be unavailable but didn't mention at all when asked pre match and team news. It was suggested all other players were available yet today after match he says he McGinn covid situation earlier in week. Only the rumours that came out were we to find out and then official news
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 29, 2021, 11:55:04 AM
Post by: OzVilla on August 29, 2021, 11:58:57 AM
What's going on here
Dean Smith knew earlier in week he would be unavailable but didn't mention at all when asked pre match and team news. It was suggested all other players were available yet today after match he says he McGinn covid situation earlier in week. Only the rumours that came out were we to find out and then official news
I don’t believe a word Smith says in the pressers anymore. Not that it’s a bad thing as he doesn’t want to tip off the opposition but he’s been proven to be economical with the truth. I haven’t bothered with them this season tbh.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 29, 2021, 12:01:19 PM
yeh but noWhat's going on here
Dean Smith knew earlier in week he would be unavailable but didn't mention at all when asked pre match and team news. It was suggested all other players were available yet today after match he says he McGinn covid situation earlier in week. Only the rumours that came out were we to find out and then official news
I don’t believe a word Smith says in the pressers anymore. Not that it’s a bad thing as he doesn’t want to tip off the opposition but he’s been proven to be economical with the truth. I haven’t bothered with them this season tbh.
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Post by: olaftab on August 29, 2021, 12:22:45 PM
Players should be deducted wages if they don't get the Vaccine. I have a feeling half our squad are unvaccinatedYes and supermarket checkout operators should have their arms amputated for same offence. You do like making ridiculous remarks.
Post by: Villa Lew on September 04, 2021, 10:46:53 AM
Post by: SaddVillan on September 06, 2021, 02:43:54 PM
Would win his first cap if he plays.
Post by: Steve67 on September 06, 2021, 10:46:03 PM
Players should be deducted wages if they don't get the Vaccine. I have a feeling half our squad are unvaccinated
I'm sure Lee Bowyer would bully them all into getting double jabbed. Not the first time he's jabbed someone from what I understand. I think your lot will be ok fella.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 11, 2021, 08:39:12 PM
We will have to switch/swap Ings and Watkins to make this work but I think it will be worth it.
Post by: Mister E on September 11, 2021, 08:45:59 PM
McGinn looks a different player when he doesn’t have to sit. I really hope we play three in midfielders from now on and obsess with having a ten.As I've said before, Smith wants midfielders who can sit, pass, tackle, play and score. Hence his apparent lack of interest in a world-class DMF.
We will have to switch/swap Ings and Watkins to make this work but I think it will be worth it.
McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey, Sanson, Chukwuemeka and Buendia can do all these things (although, based on tonight, MacPhee needs to help Ramsey and Luiz in shooting practice).
Marv is a tactical player, brought in to shut things down ... which is why I was surprised to see him come on tonight.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 11, 2021, 08:54:41 PM
McGinn looks a different player when he doesn’t have to sit. I really hope we play three in midfielders from now on and obsess with having a ten.As I've said before, Smith wants midfielders who can sit, pass, tackle, play and score. Hence his apparent lack of interest in a world-class DMF.
We will have to switch/swap Ings and Watkins to make this work but I think it will be worth it.
McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey, Sanson, Chukwuemeka and Buendia can do all these things (although, based on tonight, MacPhee needs to help Ramsey and Luiz in shooting practice).
Marv is a tactical player, brought in to shut things down ... which is why I was surprised to see him come on tonight.
In which case I agree with Smith but it only works if three are playing othewise you’re in a situation where you need at least one DMC.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 11, 2021, 08:59:28 PM
Post by: Risso on September 11, 2021, 09:01:41 PM
He's so good at so many things, but his distribution is often terrible. It's why he plays for us rather than one of the c*nt teams.
I agree. He looked much better today, becacuse he got to do more driving forward than when he's asked to sit with Luiz in that two in front of the back four. Passing isn't his thing though really is it?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 11, 2021, 09:18:14 PM
He's so good at so many things, but his distribution is often terrible. It's why he plays for us rather than one of the c*nt teams.
I agree. He looked much better today, becacuse he got to do more driving forward than when he's asked to sit with Luiz in that two in front of the back four. Passing isn't his thing though really is it?
He's a bit of a curate's egg. He tackles and wins the ball so well that you can see why the manager has persisted with him as a DM. He surges forward so well (and scores the odd screamer) that you can see why fans are screaming for him to play further up the pitch. But the inability to pass well consistently means he's not really a player that you can build around, and shouldn't be accommodating if you're serious about being a European team.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 11, 2021, 11:47:58 PM
He had the most of any player last season
Let's him down
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Post by: CT on September 12, 2021, 11:13:21 AM
He got booked for winning the ball. An abysmal decision by a wank referee.
I know you can’t rescind a yellow card, but surely it wouldn’t take someone 10 seconds to look at that and realise it was an appalling decision.
Thought SJM was superb yesterday. Ron Saunders would’ve fucking loved him.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 12, 2021, 11:26:25 AM
Tenacious in the tackle and work rate off the scale.
Any side or fan would want him in their starting XI.
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 12, 2021, 02:26:45 PM
Post by: Bobby Boy on September 12, 2021, 03:50:17 PM
He was one of quitea few real positives for me yesterday.
Tenacious in the tackle and work rate off the scale.
Any side or fan would want him in their starting XI.
Absolutely. He was inspirational yesterday. The way he dispossessed their midfielders high up the pitch would have taken the roof off had the match been played at Villa Park.
That tenacity really raises the temperature.
For me our most important player.
Post by: Steve67 on September 12, 2021, 07:32:39 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 12, 2021, 08:14:18 PM
The booking was just ridiclous. I've no idea why Footy has a thing for players getting booked. It's a bit odd although yes, he does get too many.
Footy like our players to be disciplined, nowt wrong with that.
Post by: Clampy on September 13, 2021, 08:25:05 AM
The booking was just ridiclous. I've no idea why Footy has a thing for players getting booked. It's a bit odd although yes, he does get too many.
Footy like our players to be disciplined, nowt wrong with that.
Getting booked is just going to happen though and sometimes it can't be helped, especially when you have refs like the one we had Saturday.
Post by: Risso on September 13, 2021, 01:34:56 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 13, 2021, 02:58:05 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on September 13, 2021, 05:14:54 PM
McGinn looks a different player when he doesn’t have to sit. I really hope we play three in midfielders from now on and obsess with having a ten.As I've said before, Smith wants midfielders who can sit, pass, tackle, play and score. Hence his apparent lack of interest in a world-class DMF.
We will have to switch/swap Ings and Watkins to make this work but I think it will be worth it.
McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey, Sanson, Chukwuemeka and Buendia can do all these things (although, based on tonight, MacPhee needs to help Ramsey and Luiz in shooting practice).
Marv is a tactical player, brought in to shut things down ... which is why I was surprised to see him come on tonight.
In which case I agree with Smith but it only works if three are playing othewise you’re in a situation where you need at least one DMC.
One DMC?? It's tricky...
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 13, 2021, 05:35:18 PM
McGinn looks a different player when he doesn’t have to sit. I really hope we play three in midfielders from now on and obsess with having a ten.As I've said before, Smith wants midfielders who can sit, pass, tackle, play and score. Hence his apparent lack of interest in a world-class DMF.
We will have to switch/swap Ings and Watkins to make this work but I think it will be worth it.
McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey, Sanson, Chukwuemeka and Buendia can do all these things (although, based on tonight, MacPhee needs to help Ramsey and Luiz in shooting practice).
Marv is a tactical player, brought in to shut things down ... which is why I was surprised to see him come on tonight.
In which case I agree with Smith but it only works if three are playing othewise you’re in a situation where you need at least one DMC.
One DMC?? It's tricky...
Like what you did there
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 13, 2021, 06:53:36 PM
I would have SJM as skipper.
Post by: Ads on September 13, 2021, 06:56:17 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 13, 2021, 07:01:54 PM
What's this Chelsea abuse thing of McGinn that's being investigated?It seems a Chelsea fan was shouting something sectarian at him.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/12407330/john-mcginn-chelsea-investigating-alleged-sectarian-abuse-of-aston-villa-midfielder
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 13, 2021, 07:20:46 PM
https://twitter.com/garland_conor/status/1437098776540422150?s=08
Post by: LukeJames on September 13, 2021, 07:22:57 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on September 13, 2021, 07:27:38 PM
Amazes me how people get so worked up and angry over race or nationality
You can Boo a player and make it hostile for the opposition but this scum need to be driven out of Stadiums
Post by: Nev on September 13, 2021, 07:28:15 PM
Yeah, and we know what sort.
Post by: FrankyH on September 13, 2021, 07:29:15 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/september/Club-Statement/
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 13, 2021, 07:32:31 PM
Hopefully he's identified and banned from watching football again.
I'd Imagine Chelsea will come down hard on him poor lad.
Post by: Steve67 on September 13, 2021, 07:37:29 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 13, 2021, 07:38:58 PM
Post by: LeeB on September 13, 2021, 07:39:36 PM
The Zombie alliance
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 13, 2021, 07:41:50 PM
Club statement
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/september/Club-Statement/
from Chelsea
https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2021/09/13/club-statement
Post by: Steve67 on September 13, 2021, 07:45:06 PM
Club statement
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/september/Club-Statement/
from Chelsea
https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2021/09/13/club-statement
Blimey, their website is a bit pony. Shame their centre forward isn't, or their midfielders, or defenders come to that!
Post by: algy on September 13, 2021, 07:47:52 PM
Why did he call him a fucking Vegan bastard?;D
Pescatarian wankers.
Post by: Ad@m on September 13, 2021, 07:50:21 PM
Video here. I think I can guess who the bigot's second team is.
https://twitter.com/garland_conor/status/1437098776540422150?s=08
Has anyone got an English translation?! I genuinely can't work out a word he's saying!!!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 13, 2021, 07:55:40 PM
Video here. I think I can guess who the bigot's second team is.
https://twitter.com/garland_conor/status/1437098776540422150?s=08
Has anyone got an English translation?! I genuinely can't work out a word he's saying!!!
Seems pretty clear to me.
He shouts: "Boo you f****** F***** b******. McGinn, you dirty ****.
"F*** off you f****** w*****. We Are The People!
"F*** off!"
Post by: CT on September 13, 2021, 07:58:37 PM
Video here. I think I can guess who the bigot's second team is.
https://twitter.com/garland_conor/status/1437098776540422150?s=08
Has anyone got an English translation?! I genuinely can't work out a word he's saying!!!
I must admit, I couldn’t either. I got “boo”, that was about it.
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 13, 2021, 08:01:41 PM
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 08:11:28 PM
When you are called it a few times you generally get to understand,
Yep, I've been called it a few times, including once when I was wearing a Celtic watch that I bought purely because my watch had broken, and it was the cheapest one I could find in a charity shop I went to.
Only been called a Taig twice though, so that's something to be grateful for.
Post by: Ad@m on September 13, 2021, 08:15:32 PM
When you are called it a few times you generally get to understand,
I'm sure this is my total ignorance so please excuse the dumb questions, but what is the element of sectarian abuse? All the effing and jeffing is stuff you'd hear at any ground to any player.
What's the relevance of the "We are the people" comment?
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 08:19:19 PM
When you are called it a few times you generally get to understand,
I'm sure this is my total ignorance so please excuse the dumb questions, but what is the element of sectarian abuse? All the effing and jeffing is stuff you'd hear at any ground to any player.
What's the relevance of the "We are the people" comment?
I believe it relates to the word 'fenian'. Can't say the word bothers me too much, but it's clearly abuse of a player based on his background.
'We are the People' is a Rangers/bigot thing.
Post by: brontebilly on September 13, 2021, 08:21:05 PM
Post by: Ger Regan on September 13, 2021, 08:23:18 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 13, 2021, 08:26:00 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 13, 2021, 08:33:47 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 13, 2021, 08:34:29 PM
Post by: Ad@m on September 13, 2021, 08:41:36 PM
When you are called it a few times you generally get to understand,
I'm sure this is my total ignorance so please excuse the dumb questions, but what is the element of sectarian abuse? All the effing and jeffing is stuff you'd hear at any ground to any player.
What's the relevance of the "We are the people" comment?
I believe it relates to the word 'fenian'. Can't say the word bothers me too much, but it's clearly abuse of a player based on his background.
'We are the People' is a Rangers/bigot thing.
Ok thanks. Hopefully Chelsea ban the simpleton for a very long time.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 13, 2021, 08:57:40 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 13, 2021, 08:59:33 PM
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 09:12:25 PM
I know Hibs/Hearts is a similar dynamic, but it's not like SJM is Neil Lennon or Martin McGuinness. I've always thought of him as just Scottish.
Post by: dr.chekov on September 13, 2021, 09:15:18 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 13, 2021, 09:15:25 PM
Does McGinn even have a connection with Celtic? We bought him from Hibs, right?
I know Hibs/Hearts is a similar dynamic, but it's not like SJM is Neil Lennon or Martin McGuinness. I've always thought of him as just Scottish.
His Grandad was chairman, and he's a lifelong fan.
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 09:15:56 PM
Quite. And, while I dislike the club, credit to Chelsea for denouncing it so quickly with no whataboutery. When their cousins north of the border sing songs including that word, at virtually every match, "Rangers" either pretend it didn't happen or claim that they are somehow being victimised.
If people can't sing 'we're up to our knees in fenian blood' then it's political correctness gone mad!
Post by: Bad English on September 13, 2021, 09:16:26 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 13, 2021, 09:17:06 PM
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 09:17:14 PM
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 09:18:35 PM
These days, if you say you're up to your knees in Fenian blood, they throw you in jail.
Haha!
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 13, 2021, 09:36:22 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 13, 2021, 09:39:15 PM
These days, if you say you're up to your knees in Fenian blood, they throw you in jail.
Do they? What, just for saying you’re up to your knees in Fenian blood? They arrest you and throw you in jail?
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 13, 2021, 09:41:13 PM
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 09:46:41 PM
When did this come in?
After my cousin, whose Dad is Irish and Mom is black, was called a 'cheating n*gger IRA fucking ******' on a football pitch. The parent who shouted that wasn't reprimanded or anything. My cousin was 13.
Post by: lovejoy on September 13, 2021, 09:47:06 PM
This is vent occurred 170 years ago and pre dates the clubs.
And there was no away fans.
It’s a societal problem and until it’s taken seriously it will always be there.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 13, 2021, 09:54:06 PM
These days, if you say you're up to your knees in Fenian blood, they throw you in jail.
Do they? What, just for saying you’re up to your knees in Fenian blood? They arrest you and throw you in jail?
You honestly can't say anything. These days, if you say 'bollocks', free speech activists throw you in jail.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 13, 2021, 09:59:33 PM
These days, if you say you're up to your knees in Fenian blood, they throw you in jail.
Do they? What, just for saying you’re up to your knees in Fenian blood? They arrest you and throw you in jail?
You honestly can't say anything. These days, if you say 'bollocks', free speech activists throw you in jail.
These days, you can’t even quote Fawlty Towers without them warning the authorities that you’re a trans-atlantic hitman, these days.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 13, 2021, 10:01:48 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 13, 2021, 10:14:43 PM
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 10:28:01 PM
At the recent old firm game the Rangers fans were referencing that Celtic fans should go home because the famine was over.
This is vent occurred 170 years ago and pre dates the clubs.
And there was no away fans.
It’s a societal problem and until it’s taken seriously it will always be there.
Yep. As an English guy from an Irish background, I had a very strange experience in Glasgow. I visited Ibrox just to have a look and I was intimidated, followed, suffered sectarian abuse, spat at in the street. It was like they smelled the cabbage and white pudding in my genes.
I thought 'oh great, I got shit around Ibrox for having an Irish-looking head, I'll get shit around Parkhead for having an English accent' but everyone was really nice.
Our hotel receptionist, who was a Hearts fan, said they get more tourists and half/half scarf types at Celtic Park, so it's a bit more relaxed around there.
Don't know if that's true or not, but I was 16 when I went, and I was far more worried about getting anti-English crap from Celtic fans than anti-Irish stuff from Rangers fans.
Can't say I'll be going back in a hurry.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 13, 2021, 10:28:08 PM
Wonder if the attitude would be different if it was n***ers blood or Jewish blood or Muslim blood
Eh? Everyone's agreeing it's bad.
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 10:32:10 PM
Wonder if the attitude would be different if it was n***ers blood or Jewish blood or Muslim blood
Eh? Everyone's agreeing it's bad.
Yeah, it's been called out and condemned. I just don't think somebody saying 'fenian bastard' is as emotive as somebody saying 'black bastard' or whatever.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 13, 2021, 11:10:48 PM
At the recent old firm game the Rangers fans were referencing that Celtic fans should go home because the famine was over.
This is vent occurred 170 years ago and pre dates the clubs.
And there was no away fans.
It’s a societal problem and until it’s taken seriously it will always be there.
Yep. As an English guy from an Irish background, I had a very strange experience in Glasgow. I visited Ibrox just to have a look and I was intimidated, followed, suffered sectarian abuse, spat at in the street. It was like they smelled the cabbage and white pudding in my genes.
I thought 'oh great, I got shit around Ibrox for having an Irish-looking head, I'll get shit around Parkhead for having an English accent' but everyone was really nice.
Mirrors almost exactly my experience, except I’m English with no other background and mine was in the pubs in Glasgow. I thought I’d be fine with Rangers fans and hated by Celtic, but it was wrong on both counts. It’s why the ignorant ‘bigot brothers’ jibes wind me up. It’s like saying the blacks and whites in the Deep South USA are all as bad as each other, especially when taking into account the history of Irish persecution in Scotland..
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 13, 2021, 11:24:10 PM
It's the law, any discussion touching on Rangers - Celtic always does.
Post by: lovejoy on September 13, 2021, 11:29:22 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 13, 2021, 11:37:00 PM
Post by: Rory on September 13, 2021, 11:38:46 PM
But I have witnessed plenty of pro-IRA and anti-protestant nonsense from sections of Celtic supporters, and that shit is unacceptable as well.
Post by: JD on September 14, 2021, 01:24:20 AM
At the recent old firm game the Rangers fans were referencing that Celtic fans should go home because the famine was over.
This is vent occurred 170 years ago and pre dates the clubs.
And there was no away fans.
It’s a societal problem and until it’s taken seriously it will always be there.
Yep. As an English guy from an Irish background, I had a very strange experience in Glasgow. I visited Ibrox just to have a look and I was intimidated, followed, suffered sectarian abuse, spat at in the street. It was like they smelled the cabbage and white pudding in my genes.
I thought 'oh great, I got shit around Ibrox for having an Irish-looking head, I'll get shit around Parkhead for having an English accent' but everyone was really nice.
Mirrors almost exactly my experience, except I’m English with no other background and mine was in the pubs in Glasgow. I thought I’d be fine with Rangers fans and hated by Celtic, but it was wrong on both counts. It’s why the ignorant ‘bigot brothers’ jibes wind me up. It’s like saying the blacks and whites in the Deep South USA are all as bad as each other, especially when taking into account the history of Irish persecution in Scotland..
Good job you weren't using your alias Mr Pennell, otherwise you would have been strung up in the West End of Glasgow.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 14, 2021, 03:18:33 AM
At the recent old firm game the Rangers fans were referencing that Celtic fans should go home because the famine was over.
This is vent occurred 170 years ago and pre dates the clubs.
And there was no away fans.
It’s a societal problem and until it’s taken seriously it will always be there.
Yep. As an English guy from an Irish background, I had a very strange experience in Glasgow. I visited Ibrox just to have a look and I was intimidated, followed, suffered sectarian abuse, spat at in the street. It was like they smelled the cabbage and white pudding in my genes.
I thought 'oh great, I got shit around Ibrox for having an Irish-looking head, I'll get shit around Parkhead for having an English accent' but everyone was really nice.
Mirrors almost exactly my experience, except I’m English with no other background and mine was in the pubs in Glasgow. I thought I’d be fine with Rangers fans and hated by Celtic, but it was wrong on both counts. It’s why the ignorant ‘bigot brothers’ jibes wind me up. It’s like saying the blacks and whites in the Deep South USA are all as bad as each other, especially when taking into account the history of Irish persecution in Scotland..
Good job you weren't using your alias Mr Pennell, otherwise you would have been strung up in the West End of Glasgow.
I was using the first name but not the last, which was successfully added to ward off the appointment of the manager of the same name to the Villa job.
Post by: KRS on September 14, 2021, 03:55:19 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 07:24:39 AM
I think I need to go back to school and pay attention in history classes. I’ve never even heard of some of the words being mentioned over the last few pages let alone understand what any of them mean.
'Rangers' is a word that means obsolete.
Post by: Proposition Joe on September 14, 2021, 09:24:43 AM
Does McGinn even have a connection with Celtic? We bought him from Hibs, right?
I know Hibs/Hearts is a similar dynamic, but it's not like SJM is Neil Lennon or Martin McGuinness. I've always thought of him as just Scottish.
You really have to be a dedicated prick to find out another team's players' religious denominations! I had no idea which he was, and nor do I care. Sigh. Such utter bullshit it all is.
Post by: Rory on September 14, 2021, 09:40:30 AM
I think I need to go back to school and pay attention in history classes. I’ve never even heard of some of the words being mentioned over the last few pages let alone understand what any of them mean.
To be fair, they're never really taught in school. Most people on here who know about them have probably experienced them at some point or other.
Post by: Rory on September 14, 2021, 09:41:53 AM
Does McGinn even have a connection with Celtic? We bought him from Hibs, right?
I know Hibs/Hearts is a similar dynamic, but it's not like SJM is Neil Lennon or Martin McGuinness. I've always thought of him as just Scottish.
You really have to be a dedicated prick to find out another team's players' religious denominations! I had no idea which he was, and nor do I care. Sigh. Such utter bullshit it all is.
Agreed.
Post by: sickbeggar on September 14, 2021, 09:42:26 AM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 14, 2021, 09:43:20 AM
Was this the idiot in the corner who kept gobbing off and giving SJM the V's? I noticed him when watching the game and wondered why, given everyone could see it on the telly and it makes Chelsea look stupid, they didn't haul him out there and then.
It doesn't look like it, the footage seems to be in the opposite corner and the first half. The bloke we saw on the tv doing all the gesturing, screaming and abusing was in the opposite corner, and in the second half. Whether the abuse was sectarian in nature I obviously wouldn't know, as any Villa player who happened to be deep in that corner appeared to be being targetted. At the time I was hoping the broadcasters might have panned the cameras right in on him, not least because he seemed to have free rein to run down several rows in order to do his abusing and gesturing etc.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 09:45:56 AM
Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.
As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.
Post by: Monty on September 14, 2021, 09:46:50 AM
Anyway, credit to Chelsea fans for digging into the bigotry encyclopedia there, really leaving no stone unturned in their quest to be absolute twats.
Post by: sickbeggar on September 14, 2021, 09:53:47 AM
Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.
As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.
yeah its a sort of universal "well I don't believe in God really but its easier to say COE" Mind the big fellah was obviously protecting me that day..
Post by: AV82EC on September 14, 2021, 09:57:54 AM
Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.
As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.
I saw Stephen Fry describe Anglicanism as one of the great religions with the only drawback being the need to believe in God. I’d suggest half the vicars I’ve met down the years are pretty flaky on the believing in God part anyway.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 10:00:00 AM
Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.
As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.
I saw Stephen Fry describe Anglicanism as one of the great religions with the only drawback being the need to believe in God. I’d suggest half the vicars I’ve met down the years are pretty flaky on the believing in God part anyway.
I know the Reverend Richard Coles a tiny bit, and that sums him up perfectly.
Post by: AV82EC on September 14, 2021, 10:01:02 AM
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2021, 10:09:19 AM
I know the Reverend Richard Coles a tiny bit, and that sums him up perfectly.
He's the vicar in my sister's village. I see him on the train to London quite a bit, as he uses the same line I do to get to London. Had a chat with him once, and told him that I was a big fan of Bronski Beat and The Communards back in the day. He's a really lovely bloke.
Post by: algy on September 14, 2021, 10:22:32 AM
Ha, the thing I like about CofE/Church of Wales is that it's quite a broad church as it were. I struggle with censuses etc because I see my religion as atheist/Church of Wales. I don't believe in a magical sky fairy or such, but am quite happy with the concept of 'god' being a cover-all word for 'good' emotions (happiness, peace, love, ...). Once you remove the "magic" elements from it all, CoE-type christianity becomes just about being nice to other people, finding happiness in oneself rather than external things (possessions, power, money, ..), seeking love over hate ... basically, it's a heavily rave-influenced version of moral philosophy.Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.
As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.
--
Anecdotally, when I was living in Scotland, I found that there were a lot of really nice "Rangers" supporters, but it was absolutely undeniable that any encounters with dickhead football supporters were 90%+ certain to be with Rangers fans. I do think the knobhead section of their support is a minority, and that by and large they're nice folk. But my word, when you get a bad Rangers fan they really are something else. Hibernian have a weird fanbase, I find -- they seem to go to real extremes, either safe-as-fuck great person or utter knobhead, with very little in between.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 14, 2021, 10:27:17 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 10:31:01 AM
I know the Reverend Richard Coles a tiny bit, and that sums him up perfectly.
He's the vicar in my sister's village. I see him on the train to London quite a bit, as he uses the same line I do to get to London. Had a chat with him once, and told him that I was a big fan of Bronski Beat and The Communards back in the day. He's a really lovely bloke.
He's great.
Post by: AV82EC on September 14, 2021, 10:32:53 AM
I know the Reverend Richard Coles a tiny bit, and that sums him up perfectly.
He's the vicar in my sister's village. I see him on the train to London quite a bit, as he uses the same line I do to get to London. Had a chat with him once, and told him that I was a big fan of Bronski Beat and The Communards back in the day. He's a really lovely bloke.
He's great.
Yep, one of the best follows on the Twatter platform.
Post by: Proposition Joe on September 14, 2021, 10:35:42 AM
Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.
As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.
I am Episcopalian (American anglican ... long story, I needed to get baptised get married and these guys were the most easy going) and it's probably even more watered down than the CofE. A true church for arheists :-)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 10:40:49 AM
Ha, the thing I like about CofE/Church of Wales is that it's quite a broad church as it were. I struggle with censuses etc because I see my religion as atheist/Church of Wales. I don't believe in a magical sky fairy or such, but am quite happy with the concept of 'god' being a cover-all word for 'good' emotions (happiness, peace, love, ...). Once you remove the "magic" elements from it all, CoE-type christianity becomes just about being nice to other people, finding happiness in oneself rather than external things (possessions, power, money, ..), seeking love over hate ... basically, it's a heavily rave-influenced version of moral philosophy.Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.
As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.
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Anecdotally, when I was living in Scotland, I found that there were a lot of really nice "Rangers" supporters, but it was absolutely undeniable that any encounters with dickhead football supporters were 90%+ certain to be with Rangers fans. I do think the knobhead section of their support is a minority, and that by and large they're nice folk. But my word, when you get a bad Rangers fan they really are something else. Hibernian have a weird fanbase, I find -- they seem to go to real extremes, either safe-as-fuck great person or utter knobhead, with very little in between.
Hibs fans, as any reader of Irvine Welsh will know, are a funny lot. They had one of the most active and feared 'firms' back in the day, but it was mainly (in my experience. God knows there will have been plenty of psychopaths) daft lads playing at being hard men. I half-follow them because I went to school in Hibs territory, my dad played for their youth team and it gives me an insight into what it must be like to be a Blues fan, i.e. permanently shite
That's until they started being a bit better. And there's this, obviously.
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Post by: West Derby Villan on September 14, 2021, 11:13:38 AM
Ha, the thing I like about CofE/Church of Wales is that it's quite a broad church as it were. I struggle with censuses etc because I see my religion as atheist/Church of Wales. I don't believe in a magical sky fairy or such, but am quite happy with the concept of 'god' being a cover-all word for 'good' emotions (happiness, peace, love, ...). Once you remove the "magic" elements from it all, CoE-type christianity becomes just about being nice to other people, finding happiness in oneself rather than external things (possessions, power, money, ..), seeking love over hate ... basically, it's a heavily rave-influenced version of moral philosophy.Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.
As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.
--
Anecdotally, when I was living in Scotland, I found that there were a lot of really nice "Rangers" supporters, but it was absolutely undeniable that any encounters with dickhead football supporters were 90%+ certain to be with Rangers fans. I do think the knobhead section of their support is a minority, and that by and large they're nice folk. But my word, when you get a bad Rangers fan they really are something else. Hibernian have a weird fanbase, I find -- they seem to go to real extremes, either safe-as-fuck great person or utter knobhead, with very little in between.
Hibs fans, as any reader of Irvine Welsh will know, are a funny lot. They had one of the most active and feared 'firms' back in the day, but it was mainly (in my experience. God knows there will have been plenty of psychopaths) daft lads playing at being hard men. I half-follow them because I went to school in Hibs territory, my dad played for their youth team and it gives me an insight into what it must be like to be a Blues fan, i.e. permanently shite
That's until they started being a bit better. And there's this, obviously.
Possibly the best football fans song ever
Post by: LeeB on September 14, 2021, 11:39:54 AM
Ha, the thing I like about CofE/Church of Wales is that it's quite a broad church as it were. I struggle with censuses etc because I see my religion as atheist/Church of Wales. I don't believe in a magical sky fairy or such, but am quite happy with the concept of 'god' being a cover-all word for 'good' emotions (happiness, peace, love, ...). Once you remove the "magic" elements from it all, CoE-type christianity becomes just about being nice to other people, finding happiness in oneself rather than external things (possessions, power, money, ..), seeking love over hate ... basically, it's a heavily rave-influenced version of moral philosophy.Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.
As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.
--
Anecdotally, when I was living in Scotland, I found that there were a lot of really nice "Rangers" supporters, but it was absolutely undeniable that any encounters with dickhead football supporters were 90%+ certain to be with Rangers fans. I do think the knobhead section of their support is a minority, and that by and large they're nice folk. But my word, when you get a bad Rangers fan they really are something else. Hibernian have a weird fanbase, I find -- they seem to go to real extremes, either safe-as-fuck great person or utter knobhead, with very little in between.
Hibs fans, as any reader of Irvine Welsh will know, are a funny lot. They had one of the most active and feared 'firms' back in the day, but it was mainly (in my experience. God knows there will have been plenty of psychopaths) daft lads playing at being hard men. I half-follow them because I went to school in Hibs territory, my dad played for their youth team and it gives me an insight into what it must be like to be a Blues fan, i.e. permanently shite
That's until they started being a bit better. And there's this, obviously.
I'd developed a soft spot for them from reading Irvine Welsh from right back at the start, and I was in Croatia for my mates stag do on the day. I thought I was on the pub WiFi watching it on my phone but that turned out to be incorrect and it cost me the best part of £350.
It still remains the happiest I've been at a non-Villa victory, the context of the game and the way they did it with two late goals, and against them. Plus, it was a really good game and was the first time I'd seen Super John. Love that he gets a mention in The Blade Artist, think it was Renton that says "I like the look of McGinn in midield" when they're at the game.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 12:17:19 PM
@WDV: definitely. Any terrace anthem that begins with "my heart was broken", and has as its main refrain the word "sorrow" will do for me.
@LeeB: it was Renton, but wasn't it in Dead Men's Trousers? I can't remember any chapters of the Blade Artist written from Renton's perspective. I'm probably wrong about both.
Post by: PeterWithe on September 14, 2021, 12:34:27 PM
I'd developed a soft spot for them from reading Irvine Welsh from right back at the start, and I was in Croatia for my mates stag do on the day. I thought I was on the pub WiFi watching it on my phone but that turned out to be incorrect and it cost me the best part of £350.
I had similar in Cape Verde watching about a minutes highlights of us beating Sheffield Weds 4;2 at Hillsborough in the Champ, hotel wifi must have dropped out round the pool and my work iPad was billed £530, which I thought was a bit heavy.
They waived it down to about £40 after a bit of complaint, God bless them.
Post by: LeeB on September 14, 2021, 01:02:13 PM
To avoid a massive quotathon:
@WDV: definitely. Any terrace anthem that begins with "my heart was broken", and has as its main refrain the word "sorrow" will do for me.
@LeeB: it was Renton, but wasn't it in Dead Men's Trousers? I can't remember any chapters of the Blade Artist written from Renton's perspective. I'm probably wrong about both.
My memory is shite, and you might be right. Think I read them both one after the other.
Post by: aldridgeboy on September 14, 2021, 01:22:07 PM
The one night , the resident Scottish Sgt DJ ( I’ve overstate that but it was technically a DJ deck he’s go over to every 20 mins) put what I can only imagine is a Scottish sectarian song.
The fellow Scot RSM, a bloke around 6’5, and built like you’d want our soldiers to be , walked over and gave a level of violence I’d never seen ( and I’ve run pubs in Walsall!!).
Came back to bar, sits back down next to me , and calm as you like said “ I’ve told him not to play that before “
That’s the day I realised Villa Blues just isn’t the same level of hate as the Religion angle massively escalates it.
Post by: Drummond on September 14, 2021, 01:34:19 PM
Post by: algy on September 14, 2021, 02:07:22 PM
My Grandad was a Hibee, my dad a Jam Tart. They lived less than a mile from Tynecastle so I ended up following Hearts.I lived in Edinburgh for a bit, and used to watch both. I like both - more Hibs supporting mates than Hearts ones, so I guess I've probably seen them slightly more of the two - but am 'neutral' as far as that's concerned. My best mate's family are all Inverness Caledonian Thistle supporters (and Inverness Thistle prior to 1994), so as a kind of 'foreign exchange' they support the Villa when they're south of the border, and I support Thistle when I'm in the north.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on September 14, 2021, 08:23:53 PM
To avoid a massive quotathon:
@WDV: definitely. Any terrace anthem that begins with "my heart was broken", and has as its main refrain the word "sorrow" will do for me.
@LeeB: it was Renton, but wasn't it in Dead Men's Trousers? I can't remember any chapters of the Blade Artist written from Renton's perspective. I'm probably wrong about both.
There's a bit of that clip where a Hibs supporter is in tears singing. That's me, and you, and every one of us when it finally happens.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 08:49:32 PM
To avoid a massive quotathon:
@WDV: definitely. Any terrace anthem that begins with "my heart was broken", and has as its main refrain the word "sorrow" will do for me.
@LeeB: it was Renton, but wasn't it in Dead Men's Trousers? I can't remember any chapters of the Blade Artist written from Renton's perspective. I'm probably wrong about both.
There's a bit of that clip where a Hibs supporter is in tears singing. That's me, and you, and every one of us when it finally happens.
The one with the green tartan scarf around four minutes in? I thought exactly that myself. The sheer disbelief/realisation is amazing.
Post by: Monty on September 14, 2021, 09:04:08 PM
To avoid a massive quotathon:
@WDV: definitely. Any terrace anthem that begins with "my heart was broken", and has as its main refrain the word "sorrow" will do for me.
@LeeB: it was Renton, but wasn't it in Dead Men's Trousers? I can't remember any chapters of the Blade Artist written from Renton's perspective. I'm probably wrong about both.
There's a bit of that clip where a Hibs supporter is in tears singing. That's me, and you, and every one of us when it finally happens.
The one with the green tartan scarf around four minutes in? I thought exactly that myself. The sheer disbelief/realisation is amazing.
Exactly. I thought it was a great moment, and the only problem I have with that song is I always seem to listen to it when I'm chopping onions.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 09:06:29 PM
Nice to see wee, overwhelmed John McGinn too, whose best days are still to come.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 09:07:01 PM
To avoid a massive quotathon:
@WDV: definitely. Any terrace anthem that begins with "my heart was broken", and has as its main refrain the word "sorrow" will do for me.
@LeeB: it was Renton, but wasn't it in Dead Men's Trousers? I can't remember any chapters of the Blade Artist written from Renton's perspective. I'm probably wrong about both.
There's a bit of that clip where a Hibs supporter is in tears singing. That's me, and you, and every one of us when it finally happens.
The one with the green tartan scarf around four minutes in? I thought exactly that myself. The sheer disbelief/realisation is amazing.
Exactly. I thought it was a great moment, and the only problem I have with that song is I always seem to listen to it when I'm chopping onions.
And me.
Post by: Monty on September 14, 2021, 09:20:13 PM
Of course if that's how I get when Hibs win the trophy and sing a nice song, should Villa win the cup this season I think Venice might have to put out a flood warning.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 14, 2021, 09:27:10 PM
It was such an emotional moment especially as I was totally convinced we would win.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2021, 09:33:27 PM
It was the year after my first six-year stint in Edinburgh, and though I didn't really take a side in the city rivalry (anyone except the OF is fine by me) this moment absolutely got me. The song was a bit of a personal anthem for me up there too, as it is for so many of course, but there was one of those specific and fortuitous resonances in the lyrics that just absolutely wrung me, and I was on my own in a pub in Oxford, moderately sloshed, having a quiet lacrimose moment to myself. Great day.
Of course if that's how I get when Hibs win the trophy and sing a nice song, should Villa win the cup this season I think Venice might have to put out a flood warning.
Every time I see it I look out for old school friends, many of whom would definitely have been there. Obviously I wouldn't recognise a single one of them now.
Post by: robbo1874 on September 14, 2021, 09:34:38 PM
SJM’s uncle or Grandad used to run Celtic in the 80’s / 90’s. I think he was called Jock or Jack McGinn. Scottish version of Ellis from what I remember being told by Celtic supporters. Jack McGinn and his biscuit tin (where the money was allegedly kept)Does McGinn even have a connection with Celtic? We bought him from Hibs, right?
I know Hibs/Hearts is a similar dynamic, but it's not like SJM is Neil Lennon or Martin McGuinness. I've always thought of him as just Scottish.
You really have to be a dedicated prick to find out another team's players' religious denominations! I had no idea which he was, and nor do I care. Sigh. Such utter bullshit it all is.
Post by: Drummond on September 15, 2021, 12:58:32 PM
Having a 2nd club is weird.
I support Aston Villa. That's it.
However, I still follow other teams results, like Hearts because of my dad. Like Watford as that's where I was born and have family there. Like Harrogate Town as they were my non-league team and I lived a couple of hundred yards from their ground.
We all have teams other than our own that we'd like to see particular results for, whether that be wins or defeats, surely?
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 15, 2021, 01:13:30 PM
Does that mean it was John's granddad who signed the cheque for Tony Cascarino?SJM’s uncle or Grandad used to run Celtic in the 80’s / 90’s. I think he was called Jock or Jack McGinn. Scottish version of Ellis from what I remember being told by Celtic supporters. Jack McGinn and his biscuit tin (where the money was allegedly kept)Does McGinn even have a connection with Celtic? We bought him from Hibs, right?
I know Hibs/Hearts is a similar dynamic, but it's not like SJM is Neil Lennon or Martin McGuinness. I've always thought of him as just Scottish.
You really have to be a dedicated prick to find out another team's players' religious denominations! I had no idea which he was, and nor do I care. Sigh. Such utter bullshit it all is.
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 15, 2021, 01:59:14 PM
I cried singing Abide with me at the 2000 Cup Final.
It was such an emotional moment especially as I was totally convinced we would win.
And so did I - i stood with my old man and hoped it would be full circle as i grew up with him reminding me every year about being at the win in 57 and what it was like to have won the 7th FA cup.
Later that year he died and it was played at his funeral
When i stood there for the final against Arsenal and it played i completely lost it.
This club has to win the fucking thing before i face the oven
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 15, 2021, 02:26:59 PM
I cried singing Abide with me at the 2000 Cup Final.
It was such an emotional moment especially as I was totally convinced we would win.
This club has to win the fucking thing before i face the oven
You'll starve to death!
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 15, 2021, 02:31:17 PM
I cried singing Abide with me at the 2000 Cup Final.
It was such an emotional moment especially as I was totally convinced we would win.
This club has to win the fucking thing before i face the oven
You'll starve to death!
It was just something I'd always wanted to happen.
At Wembley Stadium with my Dad singing that with my heroes ready to carve their names in Villas iconic and illustrious history.
It was all too much.
Then we kicked off.
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 15, 2021, 02:45:45 PM
To avoid a massive quotathon:
@WDV: definitely. Any terrace anthem that begins with "my heart was broken", and has as its main refrain the word "sorrow" will do for me.
@LeeB: it was Renton, but wasn't it in Dead Men's Trousers? I can't remember any chapters of the Blade Artist written from Renton's perspective. I'm probably wrong about both.
There's a bit of that clip where a Hibs supporter is in tears singing. That's me, and you, and every one of us when it finally happens.
The one with the green tartan scarf around four minutes in? I thought exactly that myself. The sheer disbelief/realisation is amazing.
Exactly. I thought it was a great moment, and the only problem I have with that song is I always seem to listen to it when I'm chopping onions.
And me.
Bloody onions !!!!
Post by: dave shelley on September 15, 2021, 03:00:55 PM
Fast forward twelve months and on the bus travelling through Belgium enroute to Rotterdam I felt the same when thinking about winning the bloody European Cup. Well, once again we did and I didn't.
What I did do, when Peter Withe's glorious shin guided the ball into the back of the net was to raise my eyes skyward and point my flag in the same direction and roar at the top of my voice: DAAAAD! I did it again at the final whistle.
He'd died four years earlier and it was because of him I was on this incredible journey following the greatest football club in the world. The Villa have had me on the verge of tears many, many times since but you know what? Having been lucky enough to see what I have seen, I wouldn't have it any other way.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 15, 2021, 04:38:28 PM
I'm a bit of a sentimental old sod and back in time when the Villa winning the first division was just a pipe dream, I always thought that if I saw it happen I would burst into tears. Well, we did, and I didn't.Brilliant post.
Fast forward twelve months and on the bus travelling through Belgium enroute to Rotterdam I felt the same when thinking about winning the bloody European Cup. Well, once again we did and I didn't.
What I did do, when Peter Withe's glorious shin guided the ball into the back of the net was to raise my eyes skyward and point my flag in the same direction and roar at the top of my voice: DAAAAD! I did it again at the final whistle.
He'd died four years earlier and it was because of him I was on this incredible journey following the greatest football club in the world. The Villa have had me on the verge of tears many, many times since but you know what? Having been lucky enough to see what I have seen, I wouldn't have it any other way.
And now there's something in my eye.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 15, 2021, 05:06:16 PM
Post by: dicedlam on September 15, 2021, 05:10:21 PM
I'm a bit of a sentimental old sod and back in time when the Villa winning the first division was just a pipe dream, I always thought that if I saw it happen I would burst into tears. Well, we did, and I didn't.Brilliant post.
Fast forward twelve months and on the bus travelling through Belgium enroute to Rotterdam I felt the same when thinking about winning the bloody European Cup. Well, once again we did and I didn't.
What I did do, when Peter Withe's glorious shin guided the ball into the back of the net was to raise my eyes skyward and point my flag in the same direction and roar at the top of my voice: DAAAAD! I did it again at the final whistle.
He'd died four years earlier and it was because of him I was on this incredible journey following the greatest football club in the world. The Villa have had me on the verge of tears many, many times since but you know what? Having been lucky enough to see what I have seen, I wouldn't have it any other way.
And now there's something in my eye.
Wonderful post dave.
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 15, 2021, 07:36:49 PM
I'm a bit of a sentimental old sod and back in time when the Villa winning the first division was just a pipe dream, I always thought that if I saw it happen I would burst into tears. Well, we did, and I didn't.Lovely Dave.
Fast forward twelve months and on the bus travelling through Belgium enroute to Rotterdam I felt the same when thinking about winning the bloody European Cup. Well, once again we did and I didn't.
What I did do, when Peter Withe's glorious shin guided the ball into the back of the net was to raise my eyes skyward and point my flag in the same direction and roar at the top of my voice: DAAAAD! I did it again at the final whistle.
He'd died four years earlier and it was because of him I was on this incredible journey following the greatest football club in the world. The Villa have had me on the verge of tears many, many times since but you know what? Having been lucky enough to see what I have seen, I wouldn't have it any other way.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 15, 2021, 08:01:12 PM
Reminds me of a weird experience i had in a Birmingham pub years back when a drunk glaswegian Rangers top-wearing fan accosted me carrying a heavy looking scrap book. I was slightly nervous but he turned out to be tame, but the scrapbook just contained photo's of him following the Chelsea headhunters. No idea what was going on there except they have some vague hoolie link-up based on all that sectarian crap. Mind I once had a very drunk Celtic fan repeatedly ask me if I was Catholic or Protestant in a menacing way in another pub. Church of England seemed to confuse him and he went away. ;D.
As a recovering Catholic and atheist, I've always been a big fan of the CofE (whilst knowing nothing about it). It seems like a religion that sort of believes, but doesn't take it that seriously. As early Alan Partridge put it, he believes in God, but thinks of him as a kind of gas.
yeah its a sort of universal "well I don't believe in God really but its easier to say COE" Mind the big fellah was obviously protecting me that day..
Gave the same answer when similarly questioned by a Rangers fan on ‘that day in the Holte, 1976’. Mainly because although I knew I was CofE from reading the sign on my school gate, I didn’t actually know if that made me a Catholic or a Protestant.
This episode was documented by Richard Whitehead in COTR.
Post by: DB on September 15, 2021, 08:03:01 PM
I cried singing Abide with me at the 2000 Cup Final.
It was such an emotional moment especially as I was totally convinced we would win.
And so did I - i stood with my old man and hoped it would be full circle as i grew up with him reminding me every year about being at the win in 57 and what it was like to have won the 7th FA cup.
Later that year he died and it was played at his funeral
When i stood there for the final against Arsenal and it played i completely lost it.
This club has to win the fucking thing before i face the oven
Same here. My old man always wanted to see us win the F.A. Cup. Now I am older than him when he died and want us to win it.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 20, 2021, 08:38:29 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 20, 2021, 09:03:16 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 21, 2021, 11:07:05 AM
Smith also mentioned that the first bump didn't cause the concussion, but there was another challenge that did it. Perhaps it was the repeat knock that caused it.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 21, 2021, 05:30:01 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 21, 2021, 05:31:15 PM
Post by: villadelph on September 24, 2021, 08:19:44 PM
Is he in line to play tomorrow?
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 24, 2021, 09:16:01 PM
Can't see anything but midfield being Doug-Ramsey-SJM. It generally worked well v Chelsea and they have better options in central midfield (o.k perhaps not Saul) than McTominay and Fred so will be a good battle there I think.
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 24, 2021, 09:21:35 PM
https://twitter.com/jmcginn7/status/1441395158918987779?s=19
Post by: villadelph on September 24, 2021, 09:29:21 PM
Mcginn thinks he's available for tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/jmcginn7/status/1441395158918987779?s=19
LET'S GOOO.
Post by: Ads on September 24, 2021, 09:45:10 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 25, 2021, 04:25:22 PM
I assume with the protocol he hasn't trained much this week so perhaps there's something in that, rest him early part of the training week and then he's raring to go for the weekend as many times he starts to flag on 70 minutes from all the work he puts in, little sign of that today.
Post by: OCD on September 25, 2021, 04:36:16 PM
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Post by: PaulWinch again on September 25, 2021, 07:46:26 PM
Post by: LukeJames on September 25, 2021, 07:54:29 PM
Would have been clean through on goal if he hadn't been pulled back and then have the ref completely ignore it.
That fucked me off so much, it wasnt given purely because we fairly tackled them a few seconds before and they all appealed vigorously, an absolutely awful decision by Mike Dean.
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 25, 2021, 08:18:51 PM
Would have been clean through on goal if he hadn't been pulled back and then have the ref completely ignore it.
That fucked me off so much, it wasnt given purely because we fairly tackled them a few seconds before and they all appealed vigorously, an absolutely awful decision by Mike Dean.
Shocking decision, from a shocking referee. SJM was at his awesome best today.
Post by: Risso on September 25, 2021, 08:20:56 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 26, 2021, 10:19:46 AM
However this time (and I think something I noticed upon particularly in championship , sometimes Prem) Ginny was so aggrieved not to have had a blatant foul maybe even red card vs Maguire that in his frustration he did do quite a fantastic trip on Bruno and was cautioned.
We're only human and Mike Dean had also earlier already penalised a perfectly great tackle/ interception by McGinn when we won ball high up the pitch and would be away for an attack on goal and yet Dean deems foul against.
Basically sometimes the culminating fouling against McGinn sees him become an aggressor and does his own back as such leading to yellow cards. Yes his combative style, nature and sometimes reckless ways contribute but the officials haven't helped him out many a time with degree of fairness.
He then also gets a reputation. He can't win. Most yellow cards by any player in Prem league last season
Has 2 yellow already.
Yesterday it was outrageous the lazy and cynical foul by Maguire not penalised by McGinn excellent heading ball past him and Maguire blocks of illegally by fouling SJM he would be through and away to goal.
For next minutes as Mike Dean dismisses it Ginny is saying foul that's a foul and it was.
It could even be red yet its left him frustrated by poor officiating
Unbelievable
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 26, 2021, 10:23:06 AM
We all enjoyed a great performance by McGinn yesterday despite a booking his energy , enthusiasm, passing , drive and running were a delight.
And yes a good old boot to Bruno too for the yellow is one I'll allow!
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 26, 2021, 01:28:44 PM
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on September 27, 2021, 10:22:36 AM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 27, 2021, 10:29:46 AM
In short vs Man Utd brilliant!
We all enjoyed a great performance by McGinn yesterday despite a booking his energy , enthusiasm, passing , drive and running were a delight.
And yes a good old boot to Bruno too for the yellow is one I'll allow!
Made me laugh this morning.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 27, 2021, 10:30:22 AM
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Post by: Smithy on September 27, 2021, 06:43:59 PM
Class on Saturday. Good to see him back to his best.
There was a bit in the first half where Greenwood broke from the centre-circle and McGinn chased him down, but Greenwood ran across him, basically preventing him making a tackle (or face being booked), but rather than back off, meatball ran around the wrong side of him to make an excellent block from the 'wrong' side. It was a brilliant piece of defensive work, against a very quick forward, but also the sort of thing you only see from him when he's 100% fit and 'on it'. It bodes well for the coming weeks!
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 27, 2021, 06:50:45 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 27, 2021, 06:59:02 PM
Post by: LeeB on September 27, 2021, 08:36:15 PM
Class on Saturday. Good to see him back to his best.
There was a bit in the first half where Greenwood broke from the centre-circle and McGinn chased him down, but Greenwood ran across him, basically preventing him making a tackle (or face being booked), but rather than back off, meatball ran around the wrong side of him to make an excellent block from the 'wrong' side. It was a brilliant piece of defensive work, against a very quick forward, but also the sort of thing you only see from him when he's 100% fit and 'on it'. It bodes well for the coming weeks!
It was, and I screaming at him to hack him down as well.
Post by: Villa Lew on September 28, 2021, 05:46:34 PM
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 29, 2021, 08:27:04 AM
He's on QoS on Friday BBC1 7.30
He's got a face more suited for radio.
Post by: pelty on September 29, 2021, 02:40:22 PM
Class on Saturday. Good to see him back to his best.
There was a bit in the first half where Greenwood broke from the centre-circle and McGinn chased him down, but Greenwood ran across him, basically preventing him making a tackle (or face being booked), but rather than back off, meatball ran around the wrong side of him to make an excellent block from the 'wrong' side. It was a brilliant piece of defensive work, against a very quick forward, but also the sort of thing you only see from him when he's 100% fit and 'on it'. It bodes well for the coming weeks!
Agreed, this was a wonderful play. He managed not to give a foul away and then blocked the ball. I am glad you brought this play up!
Post by: Somniloquism on September 29, 2021, 02:55:33 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 29, 2021, 03:01:37 PM
I think he is our main man right now.
I thought something similar, he's certainly taken on a more senior role since Joe left. Whilst he may only be sub-Captain, he along with Mings, Konsa and Ollie lead by example. The other thing is I honestly believe he really gets the club, the values and expectations that come with it. He may like a joke or two at BH but he's no fool. These players are setting the standards new players have to meet. There's no place for lazy arse, prima donnas or sulkers if you're not in the first XI.
Dean Smith has brought this fantastic collective culture to the club but he couldn't maintain it without the likes of SJM. I thought Bailey might come in a bit Billy Big Bollocks but like every new signing to date, he seems to have bought in to who and what we are trying to achieve. Long may it continue.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 29, 2021, 03:28:12 PM
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Post by: LeeB on September 29, 2021, 08:06:16 PM
Bravearse always gives his all. When he's below par it's because he's carrying a knock or recovering to get back to his best. When he's at his best, like on Saturday there's nobody I'd rather have in the side in his position. He's another leader on the field too.
He's unique, I can't think of another player quite like him, and I love him all the more for it. He gets knocked for his passing at times but he's brave, he doesn't look for the easy ball each time, and that ball to Cash on Saturday was as good as you will see.
I too wouldn't take anyone over him, hope he's with us till he hangs up his boots.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 29, 2021, 08:15:44 PM
Post by: Ian. on September 29, 2021, 08:19:59 PM
Bravearse always gives his all. When he's below par it's because he's carrying a knock or recovering to get back to his best. When he's at his best, like on Saturday there's nobody I'd rather have in the side in his position. He's another leader on the field too.
He's unique, I can't think of another player quite like him, and I love him all the more for it. He gets knocked for his passing at times but he's brave, he doesn't look for the easy ball each time, and that ball to Cash on Saturday was as good as you will see.
I too wouldn't take anyone over him, hope he's with us till he hangs up his boots.
Definitely with you, he’s a fantastic player and the biggest engine we’ve had since Milner left.
Post by: LeeB on September 29, 2021, 08:20:10 PM
He reminds me a bit of Milner. Not directly in how they play, but how their ‘force of will” means the whole way exceeds the sum of their parts.
I was thinking similar, but thought of a kind of Roy Keane minus the malice.
Post by: Ian. on September 29, 2021, 08:20:41 PM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 29, 2021, 08:26:56 PM
Love it.
As someone else mentioned.....he's our beating heart atm.
Long may it stay that way!
Post by: algy on September 30, 2021, 08:41:31 AM
Bravearse.Bravearse is an elite tier nickname.
Love it.
As someone else mentioned.....he's our beating heart atm.
Long may it stay that way!
Post by: SaddVillan on October 01, 2021, 06:38:51 PM
McGinniesta
Bravearse
They get better every time.
Hope
"John McGinn, FA Cup winning goalscorer " isn't too far off.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 01, 2021, 08:42:01 PM
On Question of Sport on Friday
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00104cn/question-of-sport-series-51-episode-5
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 09, 2021, 05:46:44 PM
Post by: Mister E on October 09, 2021, 05:47:52 PM
Why isn't McGinn taking the pens for Scotland?Because Barry is.
Oh, no wrong thread / wrong era / wrong nationality.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 09, 2021, 05:48:43 PM
Interesting match going on and think Scotland have been OK despite tarilinf at half time
McGinn quality strike as well.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 09, 2021, 06:03:11 PM
Post by: Dave on October 09, 2021, 10:18:11 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 09, 2021, 10:22:26 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on October 09, 2021, 10:37:01 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/58859358
Post by: Rory on October 09, 2021, 10:37:30 PM
The supporters love him as much as Villa fans do, too. His name always gets sang loudest and longest.
Because he's brilliant, and has the most influential arse in world football.
Post by: nigel on October 09, 2021, 11:30:04 PM
WHO
Super John mcGinn
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 09, 2021, 11:31:37 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 09, 2021, 11:38:24 PM
The supporters love him as much as Villa fans do, too. His name always gets sang loudest and longest.
Because he's brilliant, and has the most influential arse in world football.
Bravearse.
Post by: Rory on October 09, 2021, 11:46:51 PM
The supporters love him as much as Villa fans do, too. His name always gets sang loudest and longest.
Because he's brilliant, and has the most influential arse in world football.
Bravearse.
I do think that is a superb and appropriate nickname. I don't recall an arse as significant since Barry, but he didn't use his quite as effectively, so 'custard pants' worked for him.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 10, 2021, 01:12:56 AM
It's those careless ones needs to cut out if his game
Post by: purpletrousers on October 10, 2021, 01:54:01 AM
Vs Israel picked up a yellow and how I saw it was needless and reckless.Any positives Footy?
It's those careless ones needs to cut out if his game
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 10, 2021, 02:11:18 PM
Post by: Risso on October 10, 2021, 08:17:43 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 11, 2021, 12:20:49 AM
He scored a brilliant goal but you come on and just mention his yellow card? You have some odd obsessions with Villa players at times.Wrong
I initially and perhaps was first to bring up the point of McGinn not taking penalty for Scotland
Then I also mention the goal he scored vs Israel and said how good it was.
I then made a post about his ill discipline.
His cards lead to suspension so that reckless needless challenges he makes comes back to bite him on his backside.
Post by: stevo_st on October 11, 2021, 07:47:54 AM
He’s goal scoring for Scotland is around 1 in 4, compared to 1 in 10 for us. That is something I’d like to see improvement in
Post by: Mister E on October 11, 2021, 08:27:32 AM
He’s goal scoring for Scotland is around 1 in 4, compared to 1 in 10 for us. That is something I’d like to see improvement inQuite. I can't be arsed about his scoring for Scotland but would love to see him scoring more for us.
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2021, 09:55:57 AM
He’s goal scoring for Scotland is around 1 in 4, compared to 1 in 10 for us. That is something I’d like to see improvement inQuite. I can't be arsed about his scoring for Scotland but would love to see him scoring more for us.
Unfortunately we don't play many games against teams of the quality of San Marino and the Faroes.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 11, 2021, 10:07:29 AM
He’s goal scoring for Scotland is around 1 in 4, compared to 1 in 10 for us. That is something I’d like to see improvement inQuite. I can't be arsed about his scoring for Scotland but would love to see him scoring more for us.
Unfortunately we don't play many games against teams of the quality of San Marino and the Faroes.
That's where Albion used to come in handy.
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2021, 10:11:22 AM
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2021, 10:55:34 AM
I'd like to see all of our players score more goals for us. However, I don't think it's necessarily something upon which we should be measuring McGinn.
We could do with more goals from the midfielders. None of them score enough.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 11, 2021, 11:08:29 AM
I did think we would have got more Luiz goals by now, though, after he scored a couple of screamers within his first half a dozen or so games.
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2021, 11:09:52 AM
I'd like to see all of our players score more goals for us. However, I don't think it's necessarily something upon which we should be measuring McGinn.
We could do with more goals from the midfielders. None of them score enough.
I agree, though I don't think it's necessarily what they as individuals should be measured on? It's on Smith and the coaches and system (unless they are missing a lots of chances).
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 11, 2021, 11:24:29 AM
What was he booked for?
He’s goal scoring for Scotland is around 1 in 4, compared to 1 in 10 for us. That is something I’d like to see improvement in
Clattered a player. Middle of the park.
Because he does that sometimes.
And agree has the ability to score goals.
In the Championship he was outstanding for a goal threat . All seemingly though only scored 5 or 6 in our promotion
I remember in first ever prem game he took his goal vs Spurs superbly and thought he would be getting 10 goals as he took to the Prem very well initially before getting injured.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 11, 2021, 08:23:07 PM
He’s goal scoring for Scotland is around 1 in 4, compared to 1 in 10 for us. That is something I’d like to see improvement inQuite. I can't be arsed about his scoring for Scotland but would love to see him scoring more for us.
Unfortunately we don't play many games against teams of the quality of San Marino and the Faroes.
That's where Albion used to come in handy.
Genuine lol, excellent stuff paulie.
Post by: LukeJames on October 17, 2021, 03:54:14 PM
Even his thunderbolt against Sheff Wed came in a defeat.
Post by: ez on October 17, 2021, 03:56:58 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 17, 2021, 04:14:18 PM
Post by: LukeJames on October 17, 2021, 04:35:08 PM
Did he get one in the 7-2 against Liverpool? Just checked, yes he did.
Aaaaaagh yes, don't know how I forgot that one!
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 17, 2021, 04:37:10 PM
He was immense yesterday.best player by a country mile
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 17, 2021, 05:01:22 PM
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on October 18, 2021, 07:51:34 AM
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Post by: OCD on October 18, 2021, 11:56:58 AM
Post by: spartacuss on October 18, 2021, 01:09:18 PM
He was absolutely superb on Saturday.The worry for me is if we don't shape up over the next couple of months, he'll be a January target for other clubs (Manure?). We're particularly vulnerable on the 'loyalty' issue because of Joe's Villa 'credentials' not stopping him take the narrow road to the deep north. So our better players know it would be humbug on the club's part to play the Villa heritage/potential card.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on October 22, 2021, 09:57:01 PM
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Post by: Bobby Boy on October 22, 2021, 11:17:11 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 22, 2021, 11:17:53 PM
Blaming McGinn for today's debacle is way off. Dennis Mortimer or Gordon Cowans at their prime would have struggled in that set up.
Smith would have had them playing centre-half.
Post by: adrenachrome on October 22, 2021, 11:35:15 PM
Blaming McGinn for today's debacle is way off. Dennis Mortimer or Gordon Cowans at their prime would have struggled in that set up.
Smith would have had them playing centre-half.
He has been brilliant for us, but I would tell him to stay out of our penalty box. He can't defend and often gets in the way. In fact, stay out of the defensive third.
Post by: paul_e on October 22, 2021, 11:47:54 PM
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Post by: brontebilly on October 22, 2021, 11:56:24 PM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on October 23, 2021, 04:33:04 AM
Gone from very good last week to detritus this week. Not the first time this has happened.
But even last week, when in many ways he had a great game, he was dispossessed three times just outside our own penalty area. It happens a lot and his poor passing happens a lot too.
Post by: Demitri_C on October 23, 2021, 06:52:10 AM
Post by: Ads on October 23, 2021, 10:26:15 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 23, 2021, 12:28:19 PM
Gone from very good last week to detritus this week. Not the first time this has happened.
But even last week, when in many ways he had a great game, he was dispossessed three times just outside our own penalty area. It happens a lot and his poor passing happens a lot too.
That's just what his game is really. If you want a midfielder with 95% pass completion then he simply isn't it but can influence games in many other ways as he showed v Man. United when he was brilliant.
Terrible pass for their third though, he does need to play it simple far more sometimes.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 01, 2021, 07:22:24 AM
Bit not sure why he was booked vs West Ham as he was pushed over
That's 4 for the season and likely to be suspended soon
Couple of his cards have actually been unfair the other 2 stupid ones
I don't think he should be carded yesterday
Post by: nigel on November 01, 2021, 07:59:54 AM
I think if Carney had come on it would have been a better fit
Post by: Smirker on November 20, 2021, 08:07:27 PM
I am a big fan of him and he is arguably our best player with Emi also. A smart and tidy little footballer with an aggressive bite, like a skilful Yorkshire Terrier who just won't stop yapping.
Super John McGinn 😎
Post by: Ads on November 20, 2021, 09:01:48 PM
He gives it away in such dangerous spaces and areas! Brighton's sole phase of attacking intent came from him giving it away cheaply. He needs to cut that out.
Post by: brian green on November 20, 2021, 09:20:51 PM
Post by: Steve67 on November 20, 2021, 09:27:57 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on November 21, 2021, 01:38:17 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see SJM really come on well under Gerrard but he needs someone behind him as he can't defend for shit and remains part of a midfield that allows far too much space and time for the opposition. Hopefully this is addressed either with quality coaching or better signings.
I agree.
He is one of those all-action players with a phenomenal engine and wants to be involved in everything, but S.G. needs to tell him to concentrate on his strengths.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 21, 2021, 09:12:15 AM
By his standards I thought his play was careless at times today.
I actually think this is his achilles heel and a problem on display virtually every game. There is such a good player in there if he could just stop giving the ball away so easily at times.
Post by: rooboy316 on November 21, 2021, 10:22:33 AM
He also tries to play a lot of adventurous passes, some of which obviously won’t work out. I don’t want him to stop trying them either, as he plays some gems. I think part of the issue is we have tended to play him too deep, so there’s a lot more risk if the pass is misplaced. Play him further forward and it becomes less of an issue.By his standards I thought his play was careless at times today.
I actually think this is his achilles heel and a problem on display virtually every game. There is such a good player in there if he could just stop giving the ball away so easily at times.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on November 21, 2021, 11:47:41 AM
The solution you propose I agree with. I think he'll do even better further up the pitch for us.
Post by: rooboy316 on November 21, 2021, 12:00:54 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 21, 2021, 02:14:22 PM
Post by: Smirker on November 27, 2021, 05:02:15 PM
Keep going Ginny 8)
Post by: OCD on November 27, 2021, 05:18:49 PM
Post by: supertom on November 27, 2021, 06:49:21 PM
Post by: Smirker on November 27, 2021, 07:03:26 PM
Today he caught the ball on his chest, flicked it over the defender while turning and won a foul.
Post by: Rigadon on November 27, 2021, 07:04:30 PM
Post by: Smirker on November 27, 2021, 07:06:22 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 27, 2021, 07:21:24 PM
If he keeps this form going he will be the next player we need to keep hold of.
"We had McGinn, Super Joe McGinn....."
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 28, 2021, 11:44:44 AM
Post by: Risso on November 28, 2021, 01:23:03 PM
Post by: eamonn on November 28, 2021, 03:13:56 PM
Post by: john e on November 28, 2021, 03:29:04 PM
Amazing what happens when you play somebody in their best position eh? He is not, never was, and won't ever be a defensive midfielder.
Agreed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 28, 2021, 04:43:05 PM
McGinn has certain Gerrard-esque qualities about his play. Certainly his bullishness, running and an eye for goal. He's certainly got the right manager to bring his game up a level. Could be a very big season for SJM.
I think this is perfect manager for this stage of his career. Strange how DS knew how to use him for pretty much the first year of his tenure and then tried to change him into more deeper lying midfielder.
Of course he can do a job there with his energy but he's better popping up on edge of the box and getting shots away so all for him being most advanced midfielder if the system allows it.
I said when he was appointed Gerrard would've heard all about how good he was from Rangers players called up by Scotland and he said exactly that yesterday.
I wonder with Gerrard's vague-ish comments on Mings keeping the captains armband whether he's thinking of giving it to McGinn perhaps for next season.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 28, 2021, 05:39:51 PM
YepAmazing what happens when you play somebody in their best position eh? He is not, never was, and won't ever be a defensive midfielder.
Agreed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 28, 2021, 06:03:10 PM
Amazing what happens when you play somebody in their best position eh? He is not, never was, and won't ever be a defensive midfielder.
Listen...
Post by: eamonn on November 28, 2021, 10:05:35 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 28, 2021, 10:16:20 PM
By the way, what is his googly-eyed goal celebration all about ? He'd make a good Robin in a cape as he charges over to the Villa fans to celebrate.
Biggles ??
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 28, 2021, 10:35:57 PM
By the way, what is his googly-eyed goal celebration all about ? He'd make a good Robin in a cape as he charges over to the Villa fans to celebrate.
On another club's forum his running style was described as being to similar to someone exiting a helicopter which made me smile.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 05, 2021, 08:21:46 AM
Up it by another 30m then we will consider it. 50m is a derisory offer. If pogba is worth 100m+ then mcginns 80m+
Post by: Ad@m on December 05, 2021, 08:25:05 AM
Post by: Smirker on December 05, 2021, 09:59:11 AM
Most papers this morning saying ragnick wants mcginn and will pay 50m.
Up it by another 30m then we will consider it. 50m is a derisory offer. If pogba is worth 100m+ then mcginns 80m+
McGinn is better than Pogba. 100% serious. I wouldn't take Pogba for free.
And could see this coming, this is partly why I couldn't understand why many were so willing to accept the Joe transfer and the idea of our players leaving in general. We'll never get anywhere if it continues.
Post by: olaftab on December 05, 2021, 10:04:08 AM
Most papers this morning saying ragnick wants mcginn and will pay 50m.That's the headline but when you read the articles it's not him but apparently Ferguson however SAF has not met Rangnick yet and has no idea what he wants.
Up it by another 30m then we will consider it. 50m is a derisory offer. If pogba is worth 100m+ then mcginns 80m+
But it's obvious speculation based on who is the best player in the division not in the top 3 teams and it's John without a doubt.
Post by: Rigadon on December 05, 2021, 10:09:28 AM
Most papers this morning saying ragnick wants mcginn and will pay 50m.
Up it by another 30m then we will consider it. 50m is a derisory offer. If pogba is worth 100m+ then mcginns 80m+
McGinn is better than Pogba. 100% serious. I wouldn't take Pogba for free.
And could see this coming, this is partly why I couldn't understand why many were so willing to accept the Joe transfer and the idea of our players leaving in general. We'll never get anywhere if it continues.
Yup. Said a while back that he'll be the next one of our players to come under this scrutiny, especially if he keeps this form up.
Post by: Villan82 on December 05, 2021, 10:37:40 AM
Post by: Ian. on December 05, 2021, 10:44:03 AM
Why do we bother? I am sick of this. I thought the new owners meant the end of this?
Sick of what? Speculation?
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on December 05, 2021, 10:46:50 AM
Post by: Rigadon on December 05, 2021, 10:50:19 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 05, 2021, 10:53:08 AM
Why do we bother? I am sick of this. I thought the new owners meant the end of this?it's just the football food chain - we don't get sick of it when we're taking Watkins and Konsa off Brentford, Buendia off Norwich and Cash off Forest etc
Post by: Rigadon on December 05, 2021, 11:01:02 AM
Post by: Fred Crump on December 05, 2021, 11:02:28 AM
Absolutely. While Football continues to be structured the way it is ( and there is no way capitalism is going to let it be anything else) it will always be so. Which is why I take Purslow and Co’s marketing bs about European ambitions etc. with a hefty dose of salt. The reality is we will almost certainly be a mid / upper table club at best, because we will always be a selling club. The only possible exceptions to this football food chain are Spuds and Wet Spam, because they have the huge advantage of being in London.Why do we bother? I am sick of this. I thought the new owners meant the end of this?it's just the football food chain - we don't get sick of it when we're taking Watkins and Konsa off Brentford, Buendia off Norwich and Cash off Forest etc
Post by: Ads on December 05, 2021, 11:03:27 AM
Post by: Ad@m on December 05, 2021, 11:11:33 AM
It is, but wee got to break that chain sooner or later or we won't progress.
Why won't we?
Man United lost Ronaldo years ago when he was their best player. Liverpool lost Countinho when he was their best player. It's fair to say they've both had a reasonable amount of success.
What's important isn't whether we sell our best players - all clubs do - it's whether we sell on our terms and reinvest the money wisely.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on December 05, 2021, 11:39:40 AM
Alongside this they flex their financial muscles at the right times. Our owners are about twice as rich as Man United's. I'd like to see us starting to bully other clubs both on the pitch and in the transfer market more.
Post by: Stu on December 05, 2021, 11:56:21 AM
Post by: Stu on December 05, 2021, 12:08:20 PM
Post by: Rigadon on December 05, 2021, 12:09:51 PM
It is, but wee got to break that chain sooner or later or we won't progress.
Why won't we?
Man United lost Ronaldo years ago when he was their best player. Liverpool lost Countinho when he was their best player. It's fair to say they've both had a reasonable amount of success.
What's important isn't whether we sell our best players - all clubs do - it's whether we sell on our terms and reinvest the money wisely.
I agree it possible to sell a star player now and again. Losing them every transfer window isn’t what you’re talking about though.
I’d have to say that selling our best midfielder to Man Utd wouldn’t signal any flexing of muscles.
Anyway, it’s a stupid rumour in the sun. So fuck it.
Post by: Smithy on December 05, 2021, 12:10:39 PM
I have no concerns about him going anywhere, I'm far more excited to see how Gerrard develops his game this season. I suspect the SJM that finishes the season will look even more valuable than the one on the pitch right now.
Post by: sickbeggar on December 05, 2021, 12:19:21 PM
Post by: not3bad on December 05, 2021, 12:19:32 PM
He's going nowhere, unless it's silly money. This is just what happens when players have a run of good form, paper speculation.
I have no concerns about him going anywhere, I'm far more excited to see how Gerrard develops his game this season. I suspect the SJM that finishes the season will look even more valuable than the one on the pitch right now.
Indeed. SJM is going to have a great season for us I think, and by the end of it Man Ure can get in the queue.
Post by: KevinGage on December 05, 2021, 12:31:13 PM
If I seen that, I'm sure some of the spotty Herberts who knock out online articles ripped from TV and podcasts did too. More fool their editors who decided to fill up space in the papers with it.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 05, 2021, 12:53:54 PM
Post by: Fred Crump on December 05, 2021, 12:55:24 PM
Mid-table at best? Why?I probably should have said mid to upper mid, Ads. My point is that the system is self limiting. If we get a good enough collection of players to threaten to ‘break through’ into the very top group of clubs one of them will inevitably come knocking as they did with Grealish , and for all the talk of replacing top players with players of similar quality, we and other clubs hardly ever do e.g. Barry, Young mk1, Milner, Benteke, etc. Although they have bought or developed good players, I would argue that Leicester also haven’t replaced the likes of Kante, Maguire, Mahrez and Chilwell with the same level of quality.
Obviously we all (me included) like to dream that we may be the exception that proves the rule, but the harsh reality is that ‘it is what it is’ and we probably are what we are. Still a great club, but not one of the plastic Sky three or however many it is.
Sorry to be such a killjoy or Buzz Killington for any Family Guy aficionados out there :)
Post by: not3bad on December 05, 2021, 01:36:45 PM
Remember not saying i want or that it will happen, but if we sold mcginn for lets say 70m thats a profit of 65m add that to the grealish 100m we are secure for ffp for many many years
He'll be worth more than 70 mill come the Summer hopefully.
Post by: not3bad on December 05, 2021, 01:39:04 PM
Mid-table at best? Why?I probably should have said mid to upper mid, Ads. My point is that the system is self limiting. If we get a good enough collection of players to threaten to ‘break through’ into the very top group of clubs one of them will inevitably come knocking as they did with Grealish , and for all the talk of replacing top players with players of similar quality, we and other clubs hardly ever do e.g. Barry, Young mk1, Milner, Benteke, etc. Although they have bought or developed good players, I would argue that Leicester also haven’t replaced the likes of Kante, Maguire, Mahrez and Chilwell with the same level of quality.
Obviously we all (me included) like to dream that we may be the exception that proves the rule, but the harsh reality is that ‘it is what it is’ and we probably are what we are. Still a great club, but not one of the plastic Sky three or however many it is.
Sorry to be such a killjoy or Buzz Killington for any Family Guy aficionados out there :)
However we do have ambitions to break that mold and I'm sure that's the vision the owners have sold Gerrard. Also remember, that "Sky Plastic 3" are by no means set in stone. Just ask Arsenal.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on December 05, 2021, 01:53:17 PM
But we're loaded, just like Man City and Chelsea and richer in owners net worth (but obviously not turnover) than Man U, who've been able to spunk as much money as they like over the years. Why can't we?
And if we're now apparently not allowed to blow the budget, why can't we just hire better lawyers than the league?
This might seem a bit entitled, but we are genuinely loaded. We have a great set up from youth through to first team. A really big fan base and a rich history. We should be blowing nearly every other club in the league out of the water.
I realise I'm being blinkered, but I want us to properly properly go for it. We should be shopping in Waitrose not Tesco.
Post by: Beard82 on December 05, 2021, 01:56:28 PM
The owners and the management are the only ones that can change that narrative. We will lose players the challenge is making sure we reinvest well - and ahead of time - for all the talk of planning for joe’s leaving the money we spent isn’t looking great at the moment.Mid-table at best? Why?I probably should have said mid to upper mid, Ads. My point is that the system is self limiting. If we get a good enough collection of players to threaten to ‘break through’ into the very top group of clubs one of them will inevitably come knocking as they did with Grealish , and for all the talk of replacing top players with players of similar quality, we and other clubs hardly ever do e.g. Barry, Young mk1, Milner, Benteke, etc. Although they have bought or developed good players, I would argue that Leicester also haven’t replaced the likes of Kante, Maguire, Mahrez and Chilwell with the same level of quality.
Obviously we all (me included) like to dream that we may be the exception that proves the rule, but the harsh reality is that ‘it is what it is’ and we probably are what we are. Still a great club, but not one of the plastic Sky three or however many it is.
Sorry to be such a killjoy or Buzz Killington for any Family Guy aficionados out there :)
However we do have ambitions to break that mold and I'm sure that's the vision the owners have sold Gerrard. Also remember, that "Sky Plastic 3" are by no means set in stone. Just ask Arsenal.
As some said above all clubs lose players - The big difference with Liverpool etc is they have other players of similar quality. We simply don’t - we have three very good players - SJM, Emi1 and Watkins - they have all been linked with moves to bigger clubs in Jan or next summer. We shouldn’t lose any of those - and if we lose more than 1 then I think we’ll never get back into Europe. Losing Joe set us back at least a year.
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 05, 2021, 02:21:54 PM
Post by: Rigadon on December 05, 2021, 02:25:00 PM
I have to admit to not understanding financial (un)fair play at all.
But we're loaded, just like Man City and Chelsea and richer in owners net worth (but obviously not turnover) than Man U, who've been able to spunk as much money as they like over the years. Why can't we?
And if we're now apparently not allowed to blow the budget, why can't we just hire better lawyers than the league?
This might seem a bit entitled, but we are genuinely loaded. We have a great set up from youth through to first team. A really big fan base and a rich history. We should be blowing nearly every other club in the league out of the water.
I realise I'm being blinkered, but I want us to properly properly go for it. We should be shopping in Waitrose not Tesco.
You are not alone. The question should be, 'can John McGinn hold down a place in the Villa midfield?'. Not 'can Villa keep hold of John McGinn?'. I don't think that is entitled at all, it's just a hope that we will progress from perennial also-rans to proper challengers.
Post by: Ad@m on December 05, 2021, 02:49:53 PM
If we're going to comply, success takes time.
Post by: Drummond on December 05, 2021, 02:52:29 PM
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on December 05, 2021, 02:56:51 PM
FFP was introduced specifically to stop clubs like Villa getting minted owners and just buying success.
If we're going to comply, success takes time.
Is it currently suspended? If it is, then isn't this a good time to go hard.
Post by: Ad@m on December 05, 2021, 03:29:37 PM
FFP was introduced specifically to stop clubs like Villa getting minted owners and just buying success.
If we're going to comply, success takes time.
Is it currently suspended? If it is, then isn't this a good time to go hard.
Afraid not. There is a slight easing of the rules to allow for the effects of covid, but it doesn't allow us to go crazy.
Post by: Beard82 on December 05, 2021, 03:33:36 PM
How do we know what we are / aren’t allowed? How is it worked out?FFP was introduced specifically to stop clubs like Villa getting minted owners and just buying success.
If we're going to comply, success takes time.
Is it currently suspended? If it is, then isn't this a good time to go hard.
Afraid not. There is a slight easing of the rules to allow for the effects of covid, but it doesn't allow us to go crazy.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 05, 2021, 03:35:30 PM
Spurs sold a lot of good players on their rise to the 'top six'.
Post by: ozzjim on December 05, 2021, 03:42:33 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 05, 2021, 03:54:55 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 05, 2021, 07:54:08 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 05, 2021, 08:43:26 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 05, 2021, 08:54:39 PM
SJM’s dribble today was pure McGinn fifth. Just bouncing off players and running straight into them. I’m not convinced it was a foul too.
Not a chance , the guy dived , he could have gone all the way
Post by: supertom on December 05, 2021, 09:12:07 PM
He also needs to be upping his goal and assist tally to levels where someone will pay what it takes to prise him away. Which isn't yet. Assuming there's no clause, any off we can give the short shrift.
Post by: Smirker on December 05, 2021, 09:48:33 PM
If they want him he will go. If we got £70m I'd consider that a fair deal.
Spurs sold a lot of good players on their rise to the 'top six'.
They didn't.
They sold Berbatov for £30m and Robbie Keane for £16m in the summer window of 2008 but then got Keane back in January. They finished 8th that season and 4th the next.
By the time they sold Bale, Modric and Walker, they were already established in the top six.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 05, 2021, 10:00:01 PM
I seen one of those Scottish players who never made it down South (Kris Boyd?) on Sky Sports News yesterday saying McGinn would be just what Yanited need.
If I seen that, I'm sure some of the spotty Herberts who knock out online articles ripped from TV and podcasts did too. More fool their editors who decided to fill up space in the papers with it.
There was a story in the Birmingham Mail a couple of seasons back with a title along the lines of Manchester United being interested in McGinn. When you actually read the article though, it was comments from a scout who knew Alex Ferguson and said that he thought he might rate him and recommend that they sign him.
Post by: Steve67 on December 05, 2021, 10:54:24 PM
Post by: not3bad on December 05, 2021, 11:04:00 PM
He's going nowhere. He plays every week. He's gonna revel playing under Gerrard. I'm not sure he's got the dazzling lights of Champions League in his eyes just yet. On current form, it'd take a huge offer. What I will say about McGinn, he's not unlike Delph. He could perhaps move up, but is he excelling here because he can play every week and he drives the team? He's got more to give here and should enjoy learning from Gerrard and McCallister, as well as being central to the team here, rather than a squad option. He doesn't strike me as a fancy Dan either. Joe likes the glitz and in fairness that probably attracted our Ash away back in the day too. He also needs a solid season of maintaining 7-8/10 every game. He had some dips in his first two seasons up (injuries here and there not helping of course).
He also needs to be upping his goal and assist tally to levels where someone will pay what it takes to prise him away. Which isn't yet. Assuming there's no clause, any off we can give the short shrift.
Remember when Chelsea wanted to sign Gerrard from Liverpool then someone had a word in his ear and he didn't go.
Post by: TonyD on December 05, 2021, 11:31:03 PM
But I think we might take £60m if someone come knocking.
Post by: not3bad on December 05, 2021, 11:33:27 PM
He is class.
But I think we might take £60m if someone come knocking.
No we will not. £60 mill is practically giving him away on this form.
Post by: TonyD on December 05, 2021, 11:48:03 PM
Well. We will see in Jan or the summer.He is class.
But I think we might take £60m if someone come knocking.
No we will not. £60 mill is practically giving him away on this form.
I bloody hope we turn offers down.
It will be a test to what the owners have in their plans.
Jack was different. They had to let him go.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 06, 2021, 02:02:28 AM
If they want him he will go. If we got £70m I'd consider that a fair deal.
Spurs sold a lot of good players on their rise to the 'top six'.
They didn't.
They sold Berbatov for £30m and Robbie Keane for £16m in the summer window of 2008 but then got Keane back in January. They finished 8th that season and 4th the next.
By the time they sold Bale, Modric and Walker, they were already established in the top six.
Berbatov and Keane were pretty good players! Also, Carrick?
Post by: Risso on December 06, 2021, 07:48:12 AM
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on December 06, 2021, 08:03:40 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 06, 2021, 08:36:10 AM
agreed.He is class.
But I think we might take £60m if someone come knocking.
No we will not. £60 mill is practically giving him away on this form.
We really need to be keeping Him if we have any ambition.
Post by: Mister E on December 06, 2021, 09:06:43 AM
Post by: Risso on December 06, 2021, 09:37:46 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 06, 2021, 10:36:33 AM
Post by: sickbeggar on December 06, 2021, 10:42:02 AM
He is class.
But I think we might take £60m if someone come knocking.
If we flogged another key player this January/summer, I think we'd all be wondering if we were entering Lerner MkII territory especially when he's contracted to 2025.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 06, 2021, 10:44:07 AM
Post by: Smirker on December 06, 2021, 12:56:26 PM
If they want him he will go. If we got £70m I'd consider that a fair deal.
Spurs sold a lot of good players on their rise to the 'top six'.
They didn't.
They sold Berbatov for £30m and Robbie Keane for £16m in the summer window of 2008 but then got Keane back in January. They finished 8th that season and 4th the next.
By the time they sold Bale, Modric and Walker, they were already established in the top six.
Berbatov and Keane were pretty good players! Also, Carrick?
They were but they got Keane back six months later and made a profit.
I was using the beginning of the Redknapp era (2008/9) as the start point because under Ramos they were in crisis and going to get relegated, Redknapp was the one who really turned it round for them and started their ascent so I didn't include Carrick as he was sold before that.
Post by: Villa Lew on December 15, 2021, 02:01:43 PM
Post by: Villafirst on December 15, 2021, 02:14:22 PM
He is class.
But I think we might take £60m if someone come knocking.
No we will not. £60 mill is practically giving him away on this form.
£60m is a joke in today's crazy market. Jadon Sancho at £70m+? He's utter garbage....
Post by: eamonn on December 15, 2021, 02:49:15 PM
It's noticeable that when Buendia, Luiz and Ramsey receive the ball to feet, they are very comfortable on the half-turn and can smoothly move forward.
With Meatball, he's always thinking about how to use his body (arse) to shield any challenges, meaning he receives the ball less fluidly and turns more awkwardly with it. I love him but for me that is one of the few but noticeable things lacking in his profile. At times in the past he has been breathing through his arse on the hour-mark. That might be lack of conditioning, his natural body limitations or the fact that he plays with intensity off the ball as well as on - partly cos of his top attitude but also partly to compensate for his technical limitations.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 23, 2021, 03:38:36 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1474031183986151428?s=21
Post by: Smirker on December 23, 2021, 03:45:38 PM
Well done Wee John.
Post by: Villa Lew on December 23, 2021, 04:54:32 PM
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Post by: N'ZMAV on December 29, 2021, 07:16:28 PM
He should have not gone to watch his brother play in the cup final. We missed him on Saturday.was that against any rules? I can't keep up at the moment.
Post by: Villa Lew on January 03, 2022, 12:30:03 PM
Post by: Ads on January 03, 2022, 12:30:42 PM
Post by: Villa Lew on January 03, 2022, 12:36:57 PM
Post by: Clampy on January 03, 2022, 12:43:55 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 03, 2022, 12:48:37 PM
Why does he not miss the next game?
Is it because we are not halfway through and the amnesty has kicked in? Does he miss the Man Yew league game instead of the cup game?
Post by: Clampy on January 03, 2022, 12:55:15 PM
Why does he not miss the next game?
Is it because we are not halfway through and the amnesty has kicked in? Does he miss the Man Yew league game instead of the cup game?
Yes. He can play in the Cup game on Monday but not the league game. I thought it was the next game they miss.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 03, 2022, 12:56:11 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 03, 2022, 12:57:29 PM
Bookings are competition specific!
So, if he gets a straight red at United in the cup, will he not miss three league matches?
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2022, 02:03:13 PM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 03, 2022, 02:39:38 PM
Don't think so. May be a three year ban! (Going out at first attempt every year).Bookings are competition specific!
So, if he gets a straight red at United in the cup, will he not miss three league matches?
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 03, 2022, 07:33:56 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 10, 2022, 10:39:16 PM
Post by: sickbeggar on January 10, 2022, 10:40:10 PM
Post by: Risso on January 10, 2022, 10:40:18 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 10, 2022, 10:43:30 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 10, 2022, 10:50:17 PM
he seemed to be playing on the right side a lot tonight which didn’t really suit him
He has been playing there for quite a while. Its something we have been doing for years, even Hourihane used often play RCM. I guess around the opposition box it gives them more scope for getting a shot off but I prefer if our setup was more orthodox with McGinn as LCM, taking the ball in midfield on his stronger foot. His right foot is basically for standing on and the big arse trick is struggling to hide this technical limitation when facing his own goal.
Post by: Villafirst on January 11, 2022, 04:03:17 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 11, 2022, 04:10:00 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 11, 2022, 04:13:29 PM
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 11, 2022, 04:16:08 PM
He plays on the right because that's the position he's been asked to play. And where has all this Cash hate come from?
Must be his turn ?
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2022, 04:16:59 PM
He plays on the right because that's the position he's been asked to play. And where has all this Cash hate come from?
I know, wtf! Cash is ace.
Post by: paul_e on January 11, 2022, 04:51:38 PM
Re. The right hand side... It's probably because he can see the weakness down our right with a misfiring Matty Cash. He's forced over there to cover Cash's arse all the time.
Or it's because it's the position and job he's being asked to do.
Post by: Drummond on January 11, 2022, 04:58:56 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 14, 2022, 08:57:41 PM
I think he'll improve with Gerrard though always have a discipline problem and I think he needs to sometimes play central or on the left
The trouble is the system allows for width from the full backs so Cash has to make sure he advances otherwise it's all too narrow. Or we always have Watkins as he moves all around the pitch.
But on McGinn I like to see him more central rather than right sided.
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2022, 02:02:19 PM
Post by: john2710 on January 17, 2022, 02:06:41 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 17, 2022, 02:14:33 PM
Post by: Monty on January 17, 2022, 02:17:16 PM
Post by: Smirker on January 17, 2022, 02:45:37 PM
Not going anywhere though hopefully and certainly not for £40m.
Post by: villadelph on January 17, 2022, 02:56:23 PM
Post by: Didier Five on January 17, 2022, 03:45:47 PM
Anyway, he's being linked with ManUre again.
Seen he's been linked with a summer move, probably bullshit as Manure don't even know who their manager will be yet.
Post by: cdward on January 17, 2022, 03:56:29 PM
Post by: dicedlam on January 17, 2022, 04:00:18 PM
Anyway, he's being linked with ManUre again.
Seen he's been linked with a summer move, probably bullshit as Manure don't even know who their manager will be yet.
Apparently, old whiskey face rates him very highly and as we know he is still very influential at Manure.
If we were to consider a transfer then it would have to be silly money. If they paid 50+ million for Wan-Bissaka, then meatball has got to be in the 60 + million bracket.
Post by: AV82EC on January 17, 2022, 04:26:07 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 17, 2022, 04:35:11 PM
We might pick up the phone at £65m any less and the pricks can fuck off.
Obviously it has to be a football decision but it would be a big help on the FFP front given he only cost £2.25m.
Post by: Pat Mustard on January 17, 2022, 04:36:57 PM
Anyway, he's being linked with ManUre again.
Seen he's been linked with a summer move, probably bullshit as Manure don't even know who their manager will be yet.
Apparently, old whiskey face rates him very highly and as we know he is still very influential at Manure.
If we were to consider a transfer then it would have to be silly money. If they paid 50+ million for Wan-Bissaka, then meatball has got to be in the 60 + million bracket.
They paid £80 million for Maguire - at that rate, I'd expect nothing less that £60+billion.
Post by: Gerrin on January 17, 2022, 05:22:25 PM
We might pick up the phone at £65m any less and the pricks can fuck off.
Obviously it has to be a football decision but it would be a big help on the FFP front given he only cost £2.25m.
Much as I like the guy, he's been a great servant to the club, but it might actually make sense to let him go for the right price in the Summer.
Post by: Moonraker on January 17, 2022, 05:29:21 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2022, 07:09:20 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2022, 09:50:17 PM
We might pick up the phone at £65m any less and the pricks can fuck off.
Obviously it has to be a football decision but it would be a big help on the FFP front given he only cost £2.25m.
Much as I like the guy, he's been a great servant to the club, but it might actually make sense to let him go for the right price in the Summer.
Why?
Post by: Ad@m on January 17, 2022, 09:54:17 PM
We might pick up the phone at £65m any less and the pricks can fuck off.
Obviously it has to be a football decision but it would be a big help on the FFP front given he only cost £2.25m.
Much as I like the guy, he's been a great servant to the club, but it might actually make sense to let him go for the right price in the Summer.
Why?
To be fair, I don't think he'll go in the summer and I don't want him to go in the summer, but every player has his price. Invested properly, if we sell every player for their peak value, as I believe we did with Grealish, we'll be a better team for it in the long run.
If Newton Heath are desperate and offer silly money (I'm talking Harry Maguire-style silly money) then I think we'd be better off letting him go. Plenty on the Sanson thread are already saying they'd prefer Sanson in the team ahead of SJM and you'd get a lot of Sansons for £80m!
Post by: Steve67 on January 17, 2022, 10:01:45 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 17, 2022, 10:02:03 PM
Bizarre.
Post by: Steve67 on January 17, 2022, 10:05:28 PM
The first sign that maybe just maybe we are on the verge of creating a team to compete at the top end of the league, we have people start auctioning our first team players off.
Bizarre.
It's ok, he hasn't actually been sold.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 17, 2022, 10:10:56 PM
Thank fuck that the Football manager types are not in charge of transfer policy in the real world.The first sign that maybe just maybe we are on the verge of creating a team to compete at the top end of the league, we have people start auctioning our first team players off.
Bizarre.
It's ok, he hasn't actually been sold.
Post by: Steve67 on January 17, 2022, 10:16:28 PM
Thank fuck that the Football manager types are not in charge of transfer policy in the real world.The first sign that maybe just maybe we are on the verge of creating a team to compete at the top end of the league, we have people start auctioning our first team players off.
Bizarre.
It's ok, he hasn't actually been sold.
Or that people aren't allowed an opinion on a football message board without other people getting bent out of shape! Who said SJM is good enough to get us there? This is what people are debating.
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2022, 10:33:40 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 17, 2022, 10:40:55 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on January 17, 2022, 10:43:30 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 18, 2022, 05:13:09 AM
Post by: darren woolley on January 18, 2022, 06:12:36 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 18, 2022, 06:32:45 AM
The new manager has just come into the building and who knows where he'll take the player development wise.
It's different if he wants to leave but I'm excited as to what will happen.
Not for sale unless the player asks to leave for me.
Post by: Mellin on January 18, 2022, 06:42:19 AM
Post by: sid1964 on January 18, 2022, 06:53:47 AM
If he did move to Manchester he will be near to his old mate Jack.
Post by: OzVilla on January 18, 2022, 07:01:26 AM
Post by: andyh on January 18, 2022, 07:18:00 AM
I’m amazed people would be happy to sell.
If his value is somewhere between £45m and £60m then that means we have one hell of a player on our books.
Post by: Ian. on January 18, 2022, 07:28:18 AM
Post by: WarszaVillan on January 18, 2022, 07:31:36 AM
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2022, 07:45:14 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 18, 2022, 07:56:33 AM
I wouldn't choose to sell him. He's very good, but not great. He doesn't score enough goals and his passing can be terrible at times, so for £60m you'd almost certainly be able to get a better replacement.
Like who though?
He's brilliant, and unique.
Post by: Drummond on January 18, 2022, 07:57:44 AM
I'd bit your hand off for 60 mill. I like SJM but I think if we got a id like that I'd be cashing in, I often think his work rate and his song often blinds some fans to his actual return performance-wise.
Clearly such a high opinion of your fellow fans if you think we want to keep a player because of his song.
He's everywhere and exactly what we needed on Saturday.
Post by: cannock villa on January 18, 2022, 08:13:31 AM
The one player with us as a mid table championship club who could still be a big player for us if we broke into the top 4.
Post by: villabear on January 18, 2022, 08:30:50 AM
I'd bit your hand off for 60 mill. I like SJM but I think if we got a id like that I'd be cashing in, I often think his work rate and his song often blinds some fans to his actual return performance-wise.
yeah, first think I think of when rating a player is how good his song is. Jeez.
Post by: Clampy on January 18, 2022, 08:35:42 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 18, 2022, 08:36:36 AM
Who says you are not allowed an opinion? Bent out of shape?Thank fuck that the Football manager types are not in charge of transfer policy in the real world.The first sign that maybe just maybe we are on the verge of creating a team to compete at the top end of the league, we have people start auctioning our first team players off.
Bizarre.
It's ok, he hasn't actually been sold.
Or that people aren't allowed an opinion on a football message board without other people getting bent out of shape! Who said SJM is good enough to get us there? This is what people are debating.
The only thing I was responding to was the (how much they wold sell him for)
I want us to build the strongest team we can, and that requires us to keep our best players.
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2022, 09:48:44 AM
I wouldn't choose to sell him. He's very good, but not great. He doesn't score enough goals and his passing can be terrible at times, so for £60m you'd almost certainly be able to get a better replacement.
Like who though?
He's brilliant, and unique.
He isn't brilliant though really, is he? I mean, he can be great, and he's a very popular member of the squad, but brilliant, not for me.
Post by: OzVilla on January 18, 2022, 09:53:03 AM
I'd bit your hand off for 60 mill. I like SJM but I think if we got a id like that I'd be cashing in, I often think his work rate and his song often blinds some fans to his actual return performance-wise.
Clearly such a high opinion of your fellow fans if you think we want to keep a player because of his song.
Which isn’t what I said. I said it sometimes blinds people to his off days. He’s a fans favourite and part of that is his song. But a 60 million bid and I’d be taking it.
Post by: teamvillage on January 18, 2022, 09:58:43 AM
We know McGinn works for us.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 18, 2022, 10:01:47 AM
Post by: OzVilla on January 18, 2022, 10:02:18 AM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 18, 2022, 10:03:27 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 18, 2022, 10:10:01 AM
I wouldn't choose to sell him. He's very good, but not great. He doesn't score enough goals and his passing can be terrible at times, so for £60m you'd almost certainly be able to get a better replacement.
Like who though?
He's brilliant, and unique.
His arse is brilliant and unique. It gets him free kicks when his technique on the half-turn or with his back to goal fails him time and time again. He just can't get away from players as smoothly as any of our other midfielders and he slows us down more than anyone else when we're trying to break forward. He'll always prefer the Barry Bannan-patented left-footed Hollywood (Hollyrood, considering the Scottish links?) pass than taking players on because he knows he doesn't have the chops to do that.
He's tenacious, drives at the opposition, has a lovely left foot and is a great character but if we want to get into the top six I'd expect him to be overtaken by more complete midfielders before too long. Ramsey already looks like he's ahead of him in the pecking order.
Post by: UK Redsox on January 18, 2022, 10:14:05 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 18, 2022, 10:18:09 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 18, 2022, 10:31:57 AM
The amount of fans suddenly happy to sell McGinn is ridiculous. On form he is the heartbeat of our team. It would be madness to lose that when we're not strapped for cash.And that’s not taking into account the risk of replacing him.
My expectation is that he has not hit his peak yet and could become a devastating player.
Looks like some will be happy to see him in a manure shirt.
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2022, 10:38:00 AM
The amount of fans suddenly happy to sell McGinn is ridiculous. On form he is the heartbeat of our team. It would be madness to lose that when we're not strapped for cash.
The number of fans over-reacting to a simple difference of opinion is ridiculous. Nobody would be "happy" to sell him, unless the fee received was too good to turn down. He's not irreplaceable.
Post by: Billy Walker on January 18, 2022, 10:39:28 AM
As with Mings, McGinn might be a cult hero but he's also a player who Villa should look to be upgrading from if the opportunity arises.
I'm kind of thinking this too. The smart decision might be to move the remainder of our promotion winning team on while their stock is high and replace them with younger, superior players. Indeed, it's possible that we might already have younger, superior players already within our ranks.
I don't like the coldness of such an approach because I have an awful lot of respect and gratitude for players like McGinn and Mings...but then I ask myself what would Ron Saunders have done? It's the kind of decision that can only be made properly if our CEO and management are totally on the ball.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 18, 2022, 10:39:51 AM
This.
Post by: algy on January 18, 2022, 10:40:00 AM
The amount of fans suddenly happy to sell McGinn is ridiculous. On form he is the heartbeat of our team. It would be madness to lose that when we're not strapped for cash.This. For me, McGinn is off the table. No offers considered.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 18, 2022, 10:40:17 AM
Selling our better players when a Manc club flashes the cash is a horrible pattern I would love to see broken.The amount of fans suddenly happy to sell McGinn is ridiculous. On form he is the heartbeat of our team. It would be madness to lose that when we're not strapped for cash.
The number of fans over-reacting to a simple difference of opinion is ridiculous. Nobody would be "happy" to sell him, unless the fee received was too good to turn down. He's not irreplaceable.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 18, 2022, 10:41:16 AM
I'm not just talking about on here Risso. It seems plenty would be 'happy' to sell him from what I've read elsewhere.The amount of fans suddenly happy to sell McGinn is ridiculous. On form he is the heartbeat of our team. It would be madness to lose that when we're not strapped for cash.
The number of fans over-reacting to a simple difference of opinion is ridiculous. Nobody would be "happy" to sell him, unless the fee received was too good to turn down. He's not irreplaceable.
Post by: Simon Page on January 18, 2022, 10:41:54 AM
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2022, 10:44:50 AM
Selling our better players when a Manc club flashes the cash is a horrible pattern I would love to see broken.
There's a big difference between selling your most talented player of a generation and somebody who gives the ball away on an all too frequent basis. I wouldn't be in a rush to sell him, but I think we need better players to challenge the top 6.
Post by: Smithy on January 18, 2022, 10:57:42 AM
Selling our better players when a Manc club flashes the cash is a horrible pattern I would love to see broken.
There's a big difference between selling your most talented player of a generation and somebody who gives the ball away on an all too frequent basis. I wouldn't be in a rush to sell him, but I think we need better players to challenge the top 6.
I also think that if the last 6 months has taught us anything, it's that no player - no matter how good or important - is bigger than the club, and that our owners are happy to reinvest, which means you can sell one of your better players and still improve the team.
And I say that as someone who absolutely does NOT want McGinn sold.
Post by: Drummond on January 18, 2022, 11:27:42 AM
We should keep him.
Every player loses the ball, every player tries stuff that doesn't work, we sold the one who does it the least, we should be keeping our next best at it. He also wins lots of free kicks and keeps the tempo going.
If really silly money is offered, then I suppose every player has his price, but in reality, his value to us is higher than the numbers quoted. £40m? You're joking, £60m? No thanks, hes not for sale.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 18, 2022, 11:37:54 AM
The amount of fans suddenly happy to sell McGinn is ridiculous. On form he is the heartbeat of our team. It would be madness to lose that when we're not strapped for cash.This. For me, McGinn is off the table.
If he were he might lose a bit of weight.
Post by: Beard82 on January 18, 2022, 11:39:12 AM
The bottom line is that people are suggesting we should sell him. The rumour is that Man Utd want him. We shouldn't sell because there's no need, they are our competitorbthese days, and he is a brilliant player. The only side he wouldn't get in right now is Man City, and potentially Chelsea, but other than that, he'd get in any team.Exactly - needs to be Joe type money I would think. Pretty sure the club will want to keep him as much to send a message.
We should keep him.
Every player loses the ball, every player tries stuff that doesn't work, we sold the one who does it the least, we should be keeping our next best at it. He also wins lots of free kicks and keeps the tempo going.
If really silly money is offered, then I suppose every player has his price, but in reality, his value to us is higher than the numbers quoted. £40m? You're joking, £60m? No thanks, hes not for sale.
To me players like him and Mings are missed when there not there.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 18, 2022, 11:40:53 AM
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2022, 11:44:12 AM
The bottom line is that people are suggesting we should sell him. The rumour is that Man Utd want him. We shouldn't sell because there's no need, they are our competitorbthese days, and he is a brilliant player. The only side he wouldn't get in right now is Man City, and potentially Chelsea, but other than that, he'd get in any team.
We should keep him.
Every player loses the ball, every player tries stuff that doesn't work, we sold the one who does it the least, we should be keeping our next best at it. He also wins lots of free kicks and keeps the tempo going.
If really silly money is offered, then I suppose every player has his price, but in reality, his value to us is higher than the numbers quoted. £40m? You're joking, £60m? No thanks, hes not for sale.
Each to his own, but I think you're wildly overstating his ability. No way does he get into Liverpool's team, or even West Ham's ahead of Soucek and Rice, or Leicester ahead of Ndidi, Tielemans, Barnes or Maddison. I don't think it's the trying positive stuff that doesn't work that's the main problem with him, it's the number of times he'll do something daft in a dangerous position and just give it away quite often leading to a chance for the opposition.
Post by: Bad English on January 18, 2022, 12:11:27 PM
Post by: Billy Walker on January 18, 2022, 12:20:42 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 18, 2022, 12:25:14 PM
If we were to sell for upwards of £45m then it would be a great deal for us given what we paid, and I think we could recruit someone at least as good that would give us a more balanced set of midfielders. He is good, but I don't think he good enough for a 'top 6 team' as a regular. I don't think he would do much to improve Man Utds fortunes and for once I'd trust the club to use the proceeds properly.
If he went and Zakaria came in (or another player of that ilk) and we turn a profit then the team would benefit from it.
That said would rather keep him and sell Luiz and Trez.
Post by: robbo1874 on January 18, 2022, 12:28:13 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 18, 2022, 12:41:07 PM
The bottom line is that people are suggesting we should sell him. The rumour is that Man Utd want him. We shouldn't sell because there's no need, they are our competitorbthese days, and he is a brilliant player. The only side he wouldn't get in right now is Man City, and potentially Chelsea, but other than that, he'd get in any team.
We should keep him.
Every player loses the ball, every player tries stuff that doesn't work, we sold the one who does it the least, we should be keeping our next best at it. He also wins lots of free kicks and keeps the tempo going.
If really silly money is offered, then I suppose every player has his price, but in reality, his value to us is higher than the numbers quoted. £40m? You're joking, £60m? No thanks, hes not for sale.
Each to his own, but I think you're wildly overstating his ability. No way does he get into Liverpool's team, or even West Ham's ahead of Soucek and Rice, or Leicester ahead of Ndidi, Tielemans, Barnes or Maddison. I don't think it's the trying positive stuff that doesn't work that's the main problem with him, it's the number of times he'll do something daft in a dangerous position and just give it away quite often leading to a chance for the opposition.
From the weekend he'd get into those teams.
He's better than Jones, Oxlade Chamberlain and could arguably get in ahead of Henderson at Liverpool.
Lanzini, Vlasic at West Ham?
Leicester haven't played but I'd say he'd get in their side. They aren't settled and have chopped and changed a lot recently Tielemens, Dewsbury-Hall, Perez, Lookman all playing in the last few games. I'd argue he'd be ahead of them but get your point.
It's funny how there's always someone in our team who all of sudden isn't good enough. I guess we'll know we're the finished article when none of our current lot are left, barring Martinez, though even he chucked one in his own net on Saturday.
I know we have to grow and evolve but sometimes we need to let players do that too.
Post by: Clampy on January 18, 2022, 12:42:38 PM
If John McGinn could be split up, would you sell his arse to Manchester United or keep it and sell them the other bits?
Well, his arse is worth about £45m on its own.
Post by: Risso on January 18, 2022, 12:45:12 PM
From the weekend he'd get into those teams.
He's better than Jones, Oxlade Chamberlain and could arguably get in ahead of Henderson at Liverpool.
Lanzini, Vlasic at West Ham?
Leicester haven't played but I'd say he'd get in their side. They aren't settled and have chopped and changed a lot recently Tielemens, Dewsbury-Hall, Perez, Lookman all playing in the last few games. I'd argue he'd be ahead of them but get your point.
It's funny how there's always someone in our team who all of sudden isn't good enough. I guess we'll know we're the finished article when none of our current lot are left, barring Martinez, though even he chucked one in his own net on Saturday.
I know we have to grow and evolve but sometimes we need to let players do that too.
So we're judging the strength of players on one particular weekend?! OK, so Martinez wouldn't get into a single one of those teams!
And nobody said "McGinn isn't good enough". He's fine for where we are now, trying to crack the top half. If we're going to be top 6 regulars, then I'd argue we need better, but then that probably applies to 3 or 4 players.
Post by: Drummond on January 18, 2022, 12:52:01 PM
From the weekend he'd get into those teams.
He's better than Jones, Oxlade Chamberlain and could arguably get in ahead of Henderson at Liverpool.
Lanzini, Vlasic at West Ham?
Leicester haven't played but I'd say he'd get in their side. They aren't settled and have chopped and changed a lot recently Tielemens, Dewsbury-Hall, Perez, Lookman all playing in the last few games. I'd argue he'd be ahead of them but get your point.
It's funny how there's always someone in our team who all of sudden isn't good enough. I guess we'll know we're the finished article when none of our current lot are left, barring Martinez, though even he chucked one in his own net on Saturday.
I know we have to grow and evolve but sometimes we need to let players do that too.
So we're judging the strength of players on one particular weekend?! OK, so Martinez wouldn't get into a single one of those teams!
And nobody said "McGinn isn't good enough". He's fine for where we are now, trying to crack the top half. If we're going to be top 6 regulars, then I'd argue we need better, but then that probably applies to 3 or 4 players.
Nah, I just couldn't be arsed trawling through every team for the last few weeks, barring Leicester, because they haven't played, and the players you mentioned hadn't played much for them.
Liverpool, but more frequently Man Utd have been linked with signing him. They are the established Top 6 sides, and if they think he'll improve them, I'm pretty sure that's another reason to keep him. I happen to think he could play for any team in the League, I'm just not sure Man City or Chelsea would pick him.
Post by: LeeB on January 18, 2022, 02:02:25 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 18, 2022, 02:11:18 PM
If McGinn, Watkins and Mings, three players who it has been suggested we should upgrade, went on the market tomorrow they'd all end up in better teams than we are right now.100%
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 18, 2022, 03:13:52 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 18, 2022, 03:51:41 PM
He makes mistakes, and he has his off days, but I find it a joy to watch McGinn giving his all in a Villa shirt, the epitome of the player willing to run through the proverbial brick wall, and capable of individual brilliance too. He's a special player, and special to Villa - 'upgrade' my arse.
Hi, I'd like a bit more pert and definitely less hairy please, especially around the sphincter.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 18, 2022, 04:35:32 PM
They don't even know who the manager is next season, so he could end up with a manager that does not rate him. Its classic Manure crisis management, appease the fans by buying a player that they don't know what to do with.
McGinn will do well to avoid that shit show.
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on January 18, 2022, 05:08:45 PM
Post by: Gerrin on January 18, 2022, 05:25:54 PM
Why on earth would he leave Villa Park? He's found his home and we love him. Have a horrible feeling Grealish will be back within two years to re-establish the pairing though.
If Man U qualify for the Champions League, he's away. I think you are right about Grealish, I think it would be a mistake to bring him back. Since Gerrard cam in we look a much better team without him. Dean just couldn't find a way to play in his absence which cost him his job.
Post by: Clampy on January 18, 2022, 05:55:31 PM
Why on earth would he leave Villa Park? He's found his home and we love him. Have a horrible feeling Grealish will be back within two years to re-establish the pairing though.
If Man U qualify for the Champions League, he's away.
I'm not sure what you are basing that on. He's been linked with them before and he's still here and besides, the next manager up there might not want him.
Post by: gpbarr on January 18, 2022, 05:55:55 PM
Its a lure we will continue to battle against until we get there. And when we do, other clubs will complain because we will do what others did to us. Its a cycle.
Post by: Gerrin on January 18, 2022, 06:04:43 PM
Simple. Regular European football.
Its a lure we will continue to battle against until we get there. And when we do, other clubs will complain because we will do what others did to us. Its a cycle.
Totally agree, I think Watkins would be at risk because of this if he was scoring more goals. But I think the Arsenal rumours are rubbish because of his low goal return this season.
Post by: john e on January 18, 2022, 06:07:33 PM
He’s already a top six rated player in my view
Post by: Havencheese on January 18, 2022, 07:45:13 PM
This is the new narrative.
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 18, 2022, 07:52:47 PM
We don’t need to upgrade McGinn
He’s already a top six rated player in my view
This, if he was not up to it why the interest in buying him?
Post by: olaftab on January 19, 2022, 09:30:31 AM
200%If McGinn, Watkins and Mings, three players who it has been suggested we should upgrade, went on the market tomorrow they'd all end up in better teams than we are right now.100%
Post by: chrisw1 on January 19, 2022, 10:57:49 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 19, 2022, 10:58:36 AM
Lets just not sell one of our better players and fan favourites to Manchester fucking Utd eh? Surely we can all agree on that?
I wouldn't sell those fuckers air.
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2022, 11:00:58 AM
Post by: Pete3206 on January 19, 2022, 11:01:50 AM
Post by: Ad@m on January 20, 2022, 11:05:01 AM
We don’t need to upgrade McGinn
He’s already a top six rated player in my view
This, if he was not up to it why the interest in buying him?
Because they're not a top 6 team.
This is the worst Man Utd team in living memory. SJM would struggle to get in to any of Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, and West Ham's midfields. If we want to get in to the Champions League there'll come a point in time when SJM isn't good enough. That's not now as we're not there yet. But if a desperate Man Utd offered Harry Maguire money I'd snap their hands off.
Post by: amfy on January 20, 2022, 11:16:15 AM
We don’t need to upgrade McGinn
He’s already a top six rated player in my view
This, if he was not up to it why the interest in buying him?
Because they're not a top 6 team.
This is the worst Man Utd team in living memory. SJM would struggle to get in to any of Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, and West Ham's midfields. If we want to get in to the Champions League there'll come a point in time when SJM isn't good enough. That's not now as we're not there yet. But if a desperate Man Utd offered Harry Maguire money I'd snap their hands off.
They’d be buying him as part of top 6 ambitions though which might be an indicator that we shouldn’t be letting him go as part of ours.
Post by: Ad@m on January 20, 2022, 11:31:06 AM
We don’t need to upgrade McGinn
He’s already a top six rated player in my view
This, if he was not up to it why the interest in buying him?
Because they're not a top 6 team.
This is the worst Man Utd team in living memory. SJM would struggle to get in to any of Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, and West Ham's midfields. If we want to get in to the Champions League there'll come a point in time when SJM isn't good enough. That's not now as we're not there yet. But if a desperate Man Utd offered Harry Maguire money I'd snap their hands off.
They’d be buying him as part of top 6 ambitions though which might be an indicator that we shouldn’t be letting him go as part of ours.
I'm not sure they are. Chances are this is actually just journalist rumours, simply based on the fact that their midfield is crap and SJM would absolutely be an upgrade on McTominay and Fred.
But being better than McTominay doesn't make him top 6 quality. There are no rumours of the teams who are actually top 6 quality being interested in him. The only team currently in the top 6 I think he'd get in is Arsenal and they're level on points with a dreadful Man Utd team.
Just to be clear though, I don't think we should be looking to move him on, nor do I think he will move on. But he's not as good as Grealish and we sold him without the club collapsing. So if someone offered us £80m I'd take it.
Post by: eamonn on January 20, 2022, 12:44:21 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on January 20, 2022, 12:52:31 PM
I'd swap him for Ward-Prowse.
I wouldn’t. He’s a decent player but just swapping one good player for another isn’t the way to improve a team.
Post by: Ian. on January 20, 2022, 01:04:42 PM
We don’t need to upgrade McGinn
He’s already a top six rated player in my view
This, if he was not up to it why the interest in buying him?
Because they're not a top 6 team.
This is the worst Man Utd team in living memory. SJM would struggle to get in to any of Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, and West Ham's midfields. If we want to get in to the Champions League there'll come a point in time when SJM isn't good enough. That's not now as we're not there yet. But if a desperate Man Utd offered Harry Maguire money I'd snap their hands off.
They’d be buying him as part of top 6 ambitions though which might be an indicator that we shouldn’t be letting him go as part of ours.
Absolutely Amfy, completely agree with this.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 20, 2022, 01:12:07 PM
Lets just not sell one of our better players and fan favourites to Manchester fucking Utd eh? Surely we can all agree on that?
I wouldn't sell those fuckers air.
If it was put in a 'Yanited' or 'TTOD' branded bottle they'd probably buy it.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 20, 2022, 01:19:28 PM
He has had some shockers and is never pulled or left out unless through injury and i do not think that is healthy in any team. Different story with the likes of Greedy as he was an exceptional, generational talent and his absence seriously hindered our play. I thought our midfield in 2nd half was superb with out SJM.
You just know he will be straight back in on Saturday, no matter how well we played in 2nd half and i am never happy when that happens with any player
Post by: eamonn on January 20, 2022, 01:21:59 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 22, 2022, 08:03:10 AM
They'd probably offer McTominay with a side portion of Kleberson and Bebé in exchange.
Am I the only person that rates McTomminay? I think he’s a decent DCM.
The only justification for selling SJM as I see it are: 1. Stupid money is offered (>£70m) 2. It unlocks a looming FFP problem that us fans might not be aware of/care about.
Post by: Fred Crump on January 22, 2022, 08:35:54 AM
They'd probably offer McTominay with a side portion of Kleberson and Bebé in exchange.
Am I the only person that rates McTomminay? I think he’s a decent DCM.
The only justification for selling SJM as I see it are: 1. Stupid money is offered (>£70m) 2. It unlocks a looming FFP problem that us fans might not be aware of/care about.
Me too, I think he’s excellent. Not as consistently good as Rice but the same sort of player.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 22, 2022, 09:39:55 AM
I'd swap him for Ward-Prowse.
I wouldn’t. He’s a decent player but just swapping one good player for another isn’t the way to improve a team.
Ward-Prowse is much better though.
I’d swap Dougie for Bissouma as well.
Post by: LeeB on January 22, 2022, 10:24:30 AM
They'd probably offer McTominay with a side portion of Kleberson and Bebé in exchange.
Am I the only person that rates McTomminay? I think he’s a decent DCM.
The only justification for selling SJM as I see it are: 1. Stupid money is offered (>£70m) 2. It unlocks a looming FFP problem that us fans might not be aware of/care about.
Me too, I think he’s excellent. Not as consistently good as Rice but the same sort of player.
I think he's shite, personally.
Post by: Eckybloke on January 22, 2022, 10:35:17 AM
They'd probably offer McTominay with a side portion of Kleberson and Bebé in exchange.
Am I the only person that rates McTomminay? I think he’s a decent DCM.
You’re not. I don’t think he’s the world class DCM we would love but he is very versatile. He can do the DCM job, he does score goals and he can play as central defender in Scotland’s 3
Post by: Ad@m on January 22, 2022, 11:20:08 AM
They'd probably offer McTominay with a side portion of Kleberson and Bebé in exchange.
Am I the only person that rates McTomminay? I think he’s a decent DCM.
The only justification for selling SJM as I see it are: 1. Stupid money is offered (>£70m) 2. It unlocks a looming FFP problem that us fans might not be aware of/care about.
Me too, I think he’s excellent. Not as consistently good as Rice but the same sort of player.
I think he's shite, personally.
So does every Man Utd fan I know.
Post by: eamonn on January 22, 2022, 11:39:03 AM
Post by: brontebilly on January 22, 2022, 12:10:45 PM
They'd probably offer McTominay with a side portion of Kleberson and Bebé in exchange.
Am I the only person that rates McTomminay? I think he’s a decent DCM.
The only justification for selling SJM as I see it are: 1. Stupid money is offered (>£70m) 2. It unlocks a looming FFP problem that us fans might not be aware of/care about.
Me too, I think he’s excellent. Not as consistently good as Rice but the same sort of player.
I think he's shite, personally.
So does every Man Utd fan I know.
It's kind of harsh on McT, United supporters compare their current midfielders to the likes of Roy Keane and the influence he had on their play. Maybe a fairer comparison would be the likes of Darren Fletcher or Nicky Butt. McT would benefit hugely from having a top midfielder next to him. Fred and Matic are joke players in comparison.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 23, 2022, 12:26:51 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/john-mcginn-man-utd-transfer-26024736
Post by: Steve67 on January 23, 2022, 12:31:47 PM
Post by: stubbsyandy on January 23, 2022, 12:33:34 PM
I'm fairly sure there will be a lot of footballers jetting off to Dubai for a break. Is that Tyrone Mings in the background of McGinn's picture?
Yes
Post by: Steve67 on January 23, 2022, 12:36:13 PM
I'm fairly sure there will be a lot of footballers jetting off to Dubai for a break. Is that Tyrone Mings in the background of McGinn's picture?
Yes
So the Mirror is still the same bullshitting crap it's always been. Oh No? SJM is going on holiday with Man united players, exclusively, which is what it is implying. Good job Tyrone is there to protect him. Oh No, Tyrone Mings is about to join Man United!!
Post by: AV82EC on January 23, 2022, 03:00:22 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 23, 2022, 03:32:04 PM
I'm fairly sure there will be a lot of footballers jetting off to Dubai for a break. Is that Tyrone Mings in the background of McGinn's picture?
Flying from Manchester as well. Article makes it sound like something of the Inbetweeners.
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 23, 2022, 06:34:14 PM
Away from the article, i love McGinn and wouldnt want him to leave, but when we get the fabled DCM in, it means we have McGinn, Sanson, Dougie and Ramsey, competing for two no 8 spots, this would soften the blow.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 23, 2022, 06:34:55 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 23, 2022, 07:02:12 PM
The one where McGinn is actually in a picture with anyone its with Mings. You often see this sort of thing TBH I think its just easy way of filling pages.
Post by: WassallVillain on January 23, 2022, 07:27:11 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 23, 2022, 07:29:20 PM
Maguire looks like his mum got him ready. Who ties a hoodie?You should have seen the food on the side of his face til his mum did the "lick your thumb" thing and wiped it off
Post by: Smirker on January 24, 2022, 05:50:08 PM
Inside of Villa Park wearing claret and blue
In the centre of the pitch with a cheeky wee grin
There played a little wizard called Johnny McGinn
And if you wanted to know what he was about
Just watch him volley it in from 40 yards out
Go, go
Go Johnny go, go
Go Johnny go, go
Go Johnny go, go
Go Johnny go, go
Johnny McGinn
My attempt at a song for Wee John 8)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 24, 2022, 07:12:15 PM
Got some weight
John McGinn is fooking great
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 25, 2022, 10:41:09 AM
Doesn't quite seem to make sense to me because he is so one footed and means he's constantly turning back into traffic or is unable to play balls down the line that would be much easier if he was on the left, or perhaps crossing the ball (which he definitely can do).
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 25, 2022, 10:44:43 AM
Does anyone have any idea why McGinn seems to play predominantly on the right side of midfield for us atm?
Doesn't quite seem to make sense to me because he is so one footed and means he's constantly turning back into traffic or is unable to play balls down the line that would be much easier if he was on the left, or perhaps crossing the ball (which he definitely can do).
Maybe because we're generally narrow behind the striker(s), so Gerrard wants the ball play from wider in towards the middle? Rather than opening up and passing out wide?
Dunno, one for the manager :)
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 25, 2022, 11:01:13 AM
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 25, 2022, 11:30:16 AM
Post by: mrfuse on January 25, 2022, 11:32:07 AM
Obviously Doug isint the best for that role but hes filling it until we get a better option or Nakamba comes back.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 26, 2022, 02:53:40 PM
Until we get a proper defensive midfielder, McGinn is being slightly restricted and its affecting his game more than it is Ramsey.
Obviously Doug isint the best for that role but hes filling it until we get a better option or Nakamba comes back.
And maybe McGinn is filling in on the right (in an eight) until Douglas is free?
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 10, 2022, 07:30:27 PM
Post by: brontebilly on February 10, 2022, 08:24:57 PM
To be honest I think McGinn isn't good enough to play regularly in midfield in a decent team. Further up like he does for Scotland for sure but his passing from a deeper position is woeful. Doesn't track runners, struggles to get turned on the ball (bum roll trick isn't working any more) and lacks the required stamina to play in a 2 or even 3.
Post by: Le Lapin on February 13, 2022, 07:38:27 PM
Post by: Smirker on February 13, 2022, 07:53:19 PM
He has been in poor form and wasn't good today but he's still a good player.
Post by: Ads on February 13, 2022, 07:57:42 PM
A desperate and woeful performance.
Post by: Risso on February 13, 2022, 08:03:09 PM
Wasn't long ago that the forum didn't want to sell for less than £50m. Now it seems we'd all give him away for free.
He has been in poor form and wasn't good today but he's still a good player.
Personally I'd have driven him where he wants to go for £50m. If he continues like he is we'll be lucky to get half that in the summer.
Post by: brontebilly on February 13, 2022, 08:05:14 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 13, 2022, 10:16:39 PM
Wasn't long ago that the forum didn't want to sell for less than £50m. Now it seems we'd all give him away for free.
He has been in poor form and wasn't good today but he's still a good player.
There is no point since he has played for us that I wouldn't have happily taken a bid over £35m, which is at least £10m more than he is worth.
Post by: Steve67 on February 13, 2022, 10:27:07 PM
Post by: Ian. on February 13, 2022, 10:41:26 PM
Post by: BC Villain on February 13, 2022, 10:43:10 PM
Wasn't long ago that the forum didn't want to sell for less than £50m. Now it seems we'd all give him away for free.
He has been in poor form and wasn't good today but he's still a good player.
On his last few performances we'd do well to get £5 million for him
Post by: OzVilla on February 13, 2022, 10:50:31 PM
If we got anywhere near 45-50mill I'd definitely be cashing in and thanking him for his service.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2022, 12:06:14 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on February 14, 2022, 12:17:53 AM
I get that he was a big part of us being promoted, but in the Premier League, the way he performs in the majority of games, it doesn't warrant being included each game.
I'm amazed he appears immune to being dropped.
Needs to improve sharpish.
Post by: Hillbilly on February 14, 2022, 12:30:42 AM
Post by: eamonn on February 14, 2022, 12:33:34 AM
I really like him but he's made the most of his abilities and he at least needs to be rotated with other midfielders on our books, and probably relegated to the bench in the summer if we are to improve.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2022, 08:01:28 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 14, 2022, 08:17:01 AM
Post by: andyh on February 14, 2022, 08:19:24 AM
Post by: LeeB on February 14, 2022, 09:15:24 AM
Maybe playing him in his right position might help
The drop off in form does seem to correlate to being pushed back down the pitch.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 14, 2022, 09:31:34 AM
Maybe playing him in his right position might help
The drop off in form does seem to correlate to being pushed back down the pitch.
Yes but would you replace Ramsay, Coutinho or Buendia with him further up the pitch? Maybe against more physical teams he replaces Buendia, but he certainly shouldn't be a nailed on starter there.
Post by: LeeB on February 14, 2022, 09:40:47 AM
Maybe playing him in his right position might help
The drop off in form does seem to correlate to being pushed back down the pitch.
Yes but would you replace Ramsay, Coutinho or Buendia with him further up the pitch? Maybe against more physical teams he replaces Buendia, but he certainly shouldn't be a nailed on starter there.
No, I wouldn't necessarily, but as much as Buendia and Coutinho are joyful to watch we're losing some of the solidity of shape that marked our earlier performances under Gerrard and we're not pressing as hard.
The lord gives with one hand and takes away with the other.
Post by: eamonn on February 14, 2022, 09:45:19 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 14, 2022, 09:10:20 PM
I have always thought he is "undroppable" and all the evidence so far supports that
And he should be faraway from that
If we are to improve then I'm sorry to say we need better than john
Post by: LukeJames on February 14, 2022, 09:13:33 PM
Post by: LukeJames on February 14, 2022, 09:18:00 PM
Post by: rougegorge on February 15, 2022, 01:12:08 PM
I also wonder about his physical condition.Yes, my perception at the Leeds game was that he was carrying a bit extra. It's not much, but at this level and for professional athletes it makes a difference. Maybe the break he was given a couple of weeks ago didn't help.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 15, 2022, 01:54:11 PM
Also, while im still in a bit of a shit mood whenever I think of yesterday, can I just bring up that he took one of the worst free kicks I've ever seen in the second half, the one on the halfway line that he played 20 yards on the ground straight to a Newcastle player. I was watching the game in my car on my phone and I headbutted the horn as soon as I saw that.
So not just his performance that was honking.
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 15, 2022, 02:26:38 PM
Quote
Maybe the break he was given a couple of weeks ago didn't help.
You mean on the piss in Dubai with Greedy - not a great idea was it
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 15, 2022, 05:50:19 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 15, 2022, 05:51:53 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 15, 2022, 05:52:28 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 15, 2022, 05:53:29 PM
Post by: Risso on February 15, 2022, 05:57:44 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 15, 2022, 06:01:12 PM
QuoteMaybe the break he was given a couple of weeks ago didn't help.
You mean on the piss in Dubai with Greedy - not a great idea was it
That would be my analysis.
Post by: nigel on February 15, 2022, 06:01:40 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 15, 2022, 06:03:27 PM
Been linked to Liverpool, now 🤷♂️Is that Greasys next piss up destination.
Post by: ozzjim on February 15, 2022, 06:23:14 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 15, 2022, 06:27:00 PM
Been linked to Liverpool, now 🤷♂️
I'm sure I can remember Klopp saying how much he admired him after one of their routine wins at VP.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 15, 2022, 07:20:39 PM
Been linked to Liverpool, now 🤷♂️
According to The Mirror both Liverpool and Yanited are interested in him. Bring on the bidding war whist we brace ourselves.
Post by: john e on February 15, 2022, 07:28:57 PM
But he is still a top player and will be again for us
Teams that are linked with him are Liverpool and Man United not Norwich and Watford
But some on here are saying get rid because he’s had a few below par games and he misplaced a fucking freekick
It’s pathetic really
Maybe he will be rested for the next game and maybe that’s the best thing right now but he’ll be back I’m absolutely certain of that
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 15, 2022, 07:52:59 PM
McGinn is a top player but at the moment not playing at his best
But he is still a top player and will be again for us
Teams that are linked with him are Liverpool and Man United not Norwich and Watford
But some on here are saying get rid because he’s had a few below par games and he misplaced a fucking freekick
It’s pathetic really
Maybe he will be rested for the next game and maybe that’s the best thing right now but he’ll be back I’m absolutely certain of that
110% this
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 15, 2022, 07:53:55 PM
Christ somebody make it stop.Literally laughing hysterically 😂😂
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 15, 2022, 07:57:35 PM
Post by: Clampy on February 15, 2022, 08:07:01 PM
Christ somebody make it stop.Literally laughing hysterically 😂😂
I know when I'm under appreciated. If people don't want to take in some astute observations and potential happenings I won't give such in depth views next time as you two being immature trying trying ridicule ny work well Good day sirs!
Just because you think it's 'astute observations', it dosent mean it actually is. That said, McGinn does seem to be this weeks scapegoat when he wasn't really any worse than any of the others.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 15, 2022, 08:14:18 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 15, 2022, 08:20:47 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 15, 2022, 08:45:57 PM
Footy, i wasnt laughing at you, I was laughing at Risso’s reaction.Christ somebody make it stop.Literally laughing hysterically 😂😂
I know when I'm under appreciated. If people don't want to take in some astute observations and potential happenings I won't give such in depth views next time as you two being immature trying trying ridicule ny work well Good day sirs!
Just because you think it's 'astute observations', it dosent mean it actually is. That said, McGinn does seem to be this weeks scapegoat when he wasn't really any worse than any of the others.
On the subject of McGinn, I’ve got a huge sentimental soft spot for him and i think he’s also a very good player, who has some off days. Sunday was a really big off day. Id keep him in the team for Saturday and take Luiz out.
Post by: olaftab on February 15, 2022, 08:55:06 PM
Well we can see what happens and how my theories work out makes sense to me.Is your keyboard broken or do you have finger numbaitis?
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 15, 2022, 10:40:56 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 16, 2022, 12:29:46 AM
Footy, i wasnt laughing at you, I was laughing at Risso’s reaction.Christ somebody make it stop.Literally laughing hysterically 😂😂
I know when I'm under appreciated. If people don't want to take in some astute observations and potential happenings I won't give such in depth views next time as you two being immature trying trying ridicule ny work well Good day sirs!
Just because you think it's 'astute observations', it dosent mean it actually is. That said, McGinn does seem to be this weeks scapegoat when he wasn't really any worse than any of the others.
On the subject of McGinn, I’ve got a huge sentimental soft spot for him and i think he’s also a very good player, who has some off days. Sunday was a really big off day. Id keep him in the team for Saturday and take Luiz out.
What would it take for you to drop him? He's being shown-up by Ramsey, that's how an attacking modern midfielder plays.
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 16, 2022, 06:14:45 AM
Footy, i wasnt laughing at you, I was laughing at Risso’s reaction.Christ somebody make it stop.Literally laughing hysterically 😂😂
I know when I'm under appreciated. If people don't want to take in some astute observations and potential happenings I won't give such in depth views next time as you two being immature trying trying ridicule ny work well Good day sirs!
Just because you think it's 'astute observations', it dosent mean it actually is. That said, McGinn does seem to be this weeks scapegoat when he wasn't really any worse than any of the others.
On the subject of McGinn, I’ve got a huge sentimental soft spot for him and i think he’s also a very good player, who has some off days. Sunday was a really big off day. Id keep him in the team for Saturday and take Luiz out.
What would it take for you to drop him? He's being shown-up by Ramsey, that's how an attacking modern midfielder plays.
I think the issue is that you could quite conceivably drop him and Luiz and Watkins, but i just dont think we have the strength in depth to take those three out in one go. It might also seem a bit panicky from the management to take 3 relatively big hitters out of the team in one go. With that, if there was a choice between McGinn and Luiz to come out of the team on Saturday, i’d personally choose Luiz, as i think at least McGinn adds a bit of aggression even when playing badly.
He was really bad on Sunday ill admit and half invisible against Leeds, so he must be close to being benched for a bit.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 16, 2022, 09:14:10 AM
So you have to solve that problem first.
It is pivotal.
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 16, 2022, 12:30:24 PM
He has been out of sorts for a long time and should of been dropped before now
Same for Luiz and lately Watkins
Post by: Ian. on February 16, 2022, 12:57:59 PM
I think it was the Everton match and Ramsey said he was giving a rollicking at half time and that helped make the difference to his game. It obviously didn’t work at the weekend with SJM or Luiz.
Post by: brontebilly on February 16, 2022, 01:40:57 PM
It’s become very apparent that in this system Gerrard favours we can not afford to have any passengers or dips in form in midfield, especially with Doug, McGinn and Ramsey. Gerrard needs to more ruthless in either dragging them off quickly or starting with someone else.
I think it was the Everton match and Ramsey said he was giving a rollicking at half time and that helped make the difference to his game. It obviously didn’t work at the weekend with SJM or Luiz.
Maybe it's the midfield setup that's the problem. Someone shared a link to one of those anorak analysis sites post Leeds which highlighted McGinn and Ramsey being dragged wide to cover the full backs leaving Luiz to be overran in the middle. In that scenario we should have been forcing Leeds down the flanks. Gerrard was routed tactically by Bielsa really that day. But nothing explains the capitulation against a dreadful Newcastle team last week. Bar a few exceptions we were rubbish v Everton too.
Ramsey is having an excellent season but I don't think he contributes all that much without the ball in terms of winning back possession nor general midfield play either. McGinn and Luiz haven't contributed anything in last two games. I thought Luiz was having a decent season before then. McGinn has been poor for ages.
Post by: Ads on February 16, 2022, 01:47:35 PM
I'd don't by the system excuse. Ramsey looks like prime Gerrard at times going forwards playing in the same roll.
Defensively, he is not getting tight to his man and lunges in too readily. He was close to being sent off on Sunday and got lucky.
I really like McGinn and his personality, what he can bring to the side. But he's been dire for weeks now. A stint out the side will do him good.
Post by: Ian. on February 16, 2022, 04:42:30 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 16, 2022, 05:14:43 PM
His weakness for giving the ball away is going to hold him back and us by consequence.
I'd don't by the system excuse. Ramsey looks like prime Gerrard at times going forwards playing in the same roll.
Defensively, he is not getting tight to his man and lunges in too readily. He was close to being sent off on Sunday and got lucky.
I really like McGinn and his personality, what he can bring to the side. But he's been dire for weeks now. A stint out the side will do him good.
It's McGinn who needs to put down the rolls.
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 17, 2022, 01:49:45 AM
Another awful performance glossed over by the result. For £47m+ profit manure or plôp can have him. McGinn is 28 soon, so financially it's a good time to cash in.
I would then spend around half the McGinn dosh to buy Koopmeiners from Atalanta.
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 17, 2022, 08:29:53 AM
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2022, 08:31:37 AM
McGinn is good enough. He’s just knackered. Gets picked every week without ever really being rested.
They just had 3 weeks off.
Post by: eamonn on February 17, 2022, 09:40:30 AM
Post by: Drummond on February 17, 2022, 11:25:31 AM
McGinn is good enough. He’s just knackered. Gets picked every week without ever really being rested.
They just had 3 weeks off.
You keep saying this. But it's not accurate is it? He played against Molde and Brentford and Gerrard said that training was designed to replicate the intensity of a match.
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2022, 12:40:43 PM
McGinn is good enough. He’s just knackered. Gets picked every week without ever really being rested.
They just had 3 weeks off.
You keep saying this. But it's not accurate is it? He played against Molde and Brentford and Gerrard said that training was designed to replicate the intensity of a match.
Two weeks then, whatever. He's played 26 games this season, players for teams in Europe like Henderson at Liverpool or Fernandes at Man U have played at least 10-12 more than that.
And if he is tired, well he won't mind a few games rest then, which his recent displays have more than merited.
Post by: john e on February 17, 2022, 01:56:42 PM
It’s always been bollocks, is now and will continue to be in the future
Post by: usav on February 17, 2022, 02:24:13 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 17, 2022, 03:01:48 PM
Since time and memorial on here the same lame excuses have always been, they’re shattered, not fit enough, Played too many games, need a rest
It’s always been bollocks, is now and will continue to be in the future
But I thought you've been sticking up for McGinn?
Post by: john e on February 17, 2022, 03:09:19 PM
Since time and memorial on here the same lame excuses have always been, they’re shattered, not fit enough, Played too many games, need a rest
It’s always been bollocks, is now and will continue to be in the future
But I thought you've been sticking up for McGinn?
I have I’m just talking generally about tiredness and fitness
Post by: Drummond on February 17, 2022, 04:45:36 PM
There's always someone who's shit, either the players or the manager. No need for excuses, or reasons, we're Aston Villa, we should be the best and if not, we're just shit.
Post by: Whiney MacWhineface on February 17, 2022, 05:24:04 PM
Yeah, you're right, there are no other factors at play here, everyone we have is just shit.
There's always someone who's shit, either the players or the manager. No need for excuses, or reasons, we're Aston Villa, we should be the best and if not, we're just shit.
From what I’ve read here, you’re dead right: the players are shit, the management and coaching staff are shit, it‘s shit getting to and from the ground, getting served at half time is shit, the P.A. is shit, the North Stand is shit, the new Trinity is shit, as is the Witton Road stand.
I’m clinging to the thought that the Holte End isn’t shit.
Post by: Whiney MacWhineface on February 17, 2022, 05:30:14 PM
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2022, 05:40:35 PM
Yeah, you're right, there are no other factors at play here, everyone we have is just shit.
There's always someone who's shit, either the players or the manager. No need for excuses, or reasons, we're Aston Villa, we should be the best and if not, we're just shit.
Especially Steven Fucking Gerrard eh, before he'd even walked through the door!
Post by: rougegorge on February 17, 2022, 06:39:15 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 17, 2022, 06:59:22 PM
Yeah, you're right, there are no other factors at play here, everyone we have is just shit.
There's always someone who's shit, either the players or the manager. No need for excuses, or reasons, we're Aston Villa, we should be the best and if not, we're just shit.
Especially Steven Fucking Gerrard eh, before he'd even walked through the door!
You cling on to the one negative view I've had.. I didn't want him, no, but have I been derogatory about him since? Do I keep going on about how shit he is if we have a poor performance? No, he deserves a chance and he won't get everything right.
McGinn is a bloody brilliant player who is being played out of his best position. That doesn't make him shit, worth selling etc.
Post by: LeeB on February 17, 2022, 07:13:18 PM
Yeah, you're right, there are no other factors at play here, everyone we have is just shit.
There's always someone who's shit, either the players or the manager. No need for excuses, or reasons, we're Aston Villa, we should be the best and if not, we're just shit.
Especially Steven Fucking Gerrard eh, before he'd even walked through the door!
You cling on to the one negative view I've had.. I didn't want him, no, but have I been derogatory about him since? Do I keep going on about how shit he is if we have a poor performance? No, he deserves a chance and he won't get everything right.
McGinn is a bloody brilliant player who is being played out of his best position. That doesn't make him shit, worth selling etc.
You know what it's like on here, say something once and it's sticks. I mean, I go in a caravan for a week.....
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 17, 2022, 08:07:33 PM
Indeed it is. It seems loss of form = tired these days.yep that may be one of the reasons for loss of form.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 17, 2022, 08:35:12 PM
Yeah, you're right, there are no other factors at play here, everyone we have is just shit.
There's always someone who's shit, either the players or the manager. No need for excuses, or reasons, we're Aston Villa, we should be the best and if not, we're just shit.
Especially Steven Fucking Gerrard eh, before he'd even walked through the door!
You cling on to the one negative view I've had.. I didn't want him, no, but have I been derogatory about him since? Do I keep going on about how shit he is if we have a poor performance? No, he deserves a chance and he won't get everything right.
McGinn is a bloody brilliant player who is being played out of his best position. That doesn't make him shit, worth selling etc.
You know what it's like on here, say something once and it's sticks. I mean, I go in a caravan for a week.....
Thoughts and prayers for it tomorrow, bub. Otherwise you'll be holidaying in Wem in future.
Post by: boozey182 on March 11, 2022, 11:08:16 AM
It's made me more confident that he will be an important player for us as we attempt to step up a level - we just need to let him charge around the pitch rather than tethering him to the full-back spots. Having McGinn, Ramsey, Sanson, Doug, Marvellous and a new starting DM would be a great midfield going into next season. 2 great options for each position.
Post by: LukeJames on March 11, 2022, 11:12:09 AM
Post by: paul_e on March 11, 2022, 12:29:48 PM
Post by: Mister E on March 31, 2022, 05:43:33 PM
Quote from: bbc website after the game with Austria
In midfield, John McGinn capped another all-action performance with a top-class goal, thundering a first-time strike high into the net from Kieran Tierney's delivery to double the lead.
McGinn's Scotland tally now stands at an impressive 12 goals in 14 games and his importance as the dynamic fulcrum of this team cannot be overstated.
"He has developed and become the most complete Scotland player in a long time," said former striker Billy Dodds.
"He doesn't lose the ball, gets about the pitch, is so strong and a driving force. He's also added goals to his game. A phenomenal player. He's my first name on the team sheet."
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 31, 2022, 06:28:41 PM
How does this guy get the plaudits he does for Scotland and look so out of sorts with us?!Quote from: bbc website after the game with AustriaIn midfield, John McGinn capped another all-action performance with a top-class goal, thundering a first-time strike high into the net from Kieran Tierney's delivery to double the lead.
McGinn's Scotland tally now stands at an impressive 12 goals in 14 games and his importance as the dynamic fulcrum of this team cannot be overstated.
"He has developed and become the most complete Scotland player in a long time," said former striker Billy Dodds.
"He doesn't lose the ball, gets about the pitch, is so strong and a driving force. He's also added goals to his game. A phenomenal player. He's my first name on the team sheet."
He's facing lower quality players.
Post by: eamonn on March 31, 2022, 07:25:45 PM
And what's the craic with his four-eyed goal celebration?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2022, 07:30:10 PM
His arse works better internationally.
And what's the craic with his four-eyed goal celebration?
I absolutely hate the four eyed goal celebration.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2022, 07:40:49 PM
- four eye goal celebrations (as per SJM, although more acceptable in his case for obvious reasons)
- the making of the shape of a heart with the hands
- signs of the 'GREALISH CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIRT' type
- Bebeto style baby rocking celebrations
- That Chelsea celebration from about 25 years ago where they all arranged themselves like a group photo
- Goal music
- Anything involving ball boys waving flags after goals
- Players who are not 1. Brazilian and 2. World class having anything but their surname on the back of their shirt
- Jorginho hoppy skippy dummy style penalties
- Mike Dean
Post by: mrfuse on March 31, 2022, 07:41:29 PM
His arse works better internationally.
And what's the craic with his four-eyed goal celebration?
I absolutely hate the four eyed goal celebration.
If it happened every match we played, I could learn to like it.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2022, 07:41:41 PM
Post by: mrfuse on March 31, 2022, 07:46:36 PM
The worst things to see at football matches (no particular order, they're all revolting).
- four eye goal celebrations (as per SJM, although more acceptable in his case for obvious reasons)
- the making of the shape of a heart with the hands
- signs of the 'GREALISH CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIRT' type
- Bebeto style baby rocking celebrations
- That Chelsea celebration from about 25 years ago where they all arranged themselves like a group photo
- Goal music
- Anything involving ball boys waving flags after goals
- Players who are not 1. Brazilian and 2. World class having anything but their surname on the back of their shirt
- Jorginho hoppy skippy dummy style penalties
- Mike Dean
I think you've about covered the main gripes.
I think If I was a player, I would take my shirt off and hand it to the person next to one holding the sign...is that mean?
Post by: LukeJames on March 31, 2022, 07:54:29 PM
Post by: Risso on March 31, 2022, 08:30:36 PM
I'm cutting SJM some slack here, but i really do hate that thing he does.
It’s not like we get to see it very often…
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 31, 2022, 08:48:05 PM
I'm cutting SJM some slack here, but i really do hate that thing he does.the sticking his arse out thing?
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 01, 2022, 08:39:32 AM
I'm cutting SJM some slack here, but i really do hate that thing he does.
It’s not like we get to see it very often…
And presumably we don't like it because when we do see it we lose?
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2022, 09:14:30 AM
The worst things to see at football matches (no particular order, they're all revolting).
- four eye goal celebrations (as per SJM, although more acceptable in his case for obvious reasons)
- the making of the shape of a heart with the hands
- signs of the 'GREALISH CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIRT' type
- Bebeto style baby rocking celebrations
- That Chelsea celebration from about 25 years ago where they all arranged themselves like a group photo
- Goal music
- Anything involving ball boys waving flags after goals
- Players who are not 1. Brazilian and 2. World class having anything but their surname on the back of their shirt
- Jorginho hoppy skippy dummy style penalties
- Mike Dean
Great post.
Can I add:
Grown men responding to opposition fan chants by miming that fake orchestra conductor thing with their fingers
Our chant for Coutinho
The slowed down version of "Oh when the Saints..." that Spurs do
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 01, 2022, 10:03:01 AM
The slowed down version of "Oh when the Saints..." that Spurs do
Absolutely yes, that is the worst away fan song ever.
Post by: stubbsyandy on April 01, 2022, 10:27:11 AM
The slowed down version of "Oh when the Saints..." that Spurs do
Absolutely yes, that is the worst away fan song ever.
Absolutely! And Southampton…it’s so booooring!
Post by: Clampy on April 01, 2022, 10:41:45 AM
The worst things to see at football matches (no particular order, they're all revolting).
- four eye goal celebrations (as per SJM, although more acceptable in his case for obvious reasons)
- the making of the shape of a heart with the hands
- signs of the 'GREALISH CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIRT' type
- Bebeto style baby rocking celebrations
- That Chelsea celebration from about 25 years ago where they all arranged themselves like a group photo
- Goal music
- Anything involving ball boys waving flags after goals
- Players who are not 1. Brazilian and 2. World class having anything but their surname on the back of their shirt
- Jorginho hoppy skippy dummy style penalties
- Mike Dean
Great post.
Can I add:
Grown men responding to opposition fan chants by miming that fake orchestra conductor thing with their fingers
Our chant for Coutinho
The slowed down version of "Oh when the Saints..." that Spurs do
Can I add VAR and fans who go to away games but spend half the time in the concourse getting hammered and taking other substances.
Post by: Steve67 on April 01, 2022, 10:54:14 AM
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2022, 10:57:32 AM
The worst things to see at football matches (no particular order, they're all revolting).
- four eye goal celebrations (as per SJM, although more acceptable in his case for obvious reasons)
- the making of the shape of a heart with the hands
- signs of the 'GREALISH CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIRT' type
- Bebeto style baby rocking celebrations
- That Chelsea celebration from about 25 years ago where they all arranged themselves like a group photo
- Goal music
- Anything involving ball boys waving flags after goals
- Players who are not 1. Brazilian and 2. World class having anything but their surname on the back of their shirt
- Jorginho hoppy skippy dummy style penalties
- Mike Dean
Great post.
Can I add:
Grown men responding to opposition fan chants by miming that fake orchestra conductor thing with their fingers
Our chant for Coutinho
The slowed down version of "Oh when the Saints..." that Spurs do
Can I add VAR and fans who go to away games but spend half the time in the concourse getting hammered and taking other substances.
You most certainly can.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 02, 2022, 10:44:38 AM
The worst things to see at football matches (no particular order, they're all revolting).
- four eye goal celebrations (as per SJM, although more acceptable in his case for obvious reasons)
- the making of the shape of a heart with the hands
- signs of the 'GREALISH CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIRT' type
- Bebeto style baby rocking celebrations
- That Chelsea celebration from about 25 years ago where they all arranged themselves like a group photo
- Goal music
- Anything involving ball boys waving flags after goals
- Players who are not 1. Brazilian and 2. World class having anything but their surname on the back of their shirt
- Jorginho hoppy skippy dummy style penalties
- Mike Dean
- Players talking into their hands
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 02, 2022, 11:24:58 AM
The worst things to see at football matches (no particular order, they're all revolting).
- four eye goal celebrations (as per SJM, although more acceptable in his case for obvious reasons)
- the making of the shape of a heart with the hands
- signs of the 'GREALISH CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIRT' type
- Bebeto style baby rocking celebrations
- That Chelsea celebration from about 25 years ago where they all arranged themselves like a group photo
- Goal music
- Anything involving ball boys waving flags after goals
- Players who are not 1. Brazilian and 2. World class having anything but their surname on the back of their shirt
- Jorginho hoppy skippy dummy style penalties
- Mike Dean
- Players talking into their hands
I've seen kids aping this in thier own games - quite pathetic
Post by: ROBBO on April 02, 2022, 12:32:51 PM
Post by: Bad English on April 02, 2022, 02:36:19 PM
Post by: eamonn on April 02, 2022, 04:05:55 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 02, 2022, 04:47:55 PM
Post by: Ads on April 02, 2022, 06:34:15 PM
Post by: achilles on April 02, 2022, 10:16:46 PM
The worst things to see at football matches (no particular order, they're all revolting).
- four eye goal celebrations (as per SJM, although more acceptable in his case for obvious reasons)
- the making of the shape of a heart with the hands
- signs of the 'GREALISH CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIRT' type
- Bebeto style baby rocking celebrations
- That Chelsea celebration from about 25 years ago where they all arranged themselves like a group photo
- Goal music
- Anything involving ball boys waving flags after goals
- Players who are not 1. Brazilian and 2. World class having anything but their surname on the back of their shirt
- Jorginho hoppy skippy dummy style penalties
- Mike Dean
Great post.
Can I add:
Grown men responding to opposition fan chants by miming that fake orchestra conductor thing with their fingers
Our chant for Coutinho
The slowed down version of "Oh when the Saints..." that Spurs do
Can I add VAR and fans who go to away games but spend half the time in the concourse getting hammered and taking other substances.
Can I ask how you know this as I seem to spend most of my time actually watching the game?
Post by: Clampy on April 03, 2022, 07:02:04 AM
The worst things to see at football matches (no particular order, they're all revolting).
- four eye goal celebrations (as per SJM, although more acceptable in his case for obvious reasons)
- the making of the shape of a heart with the hands
- signs of the 'GREALISH CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIRT' type
- Bebeto style baby rocking celebrations
- That Chelsea celebration from about 25 years ago where they all arranged themselves like a group photo
- Goal music
- Anything involving ball boys waving flags after goals
- Players who are not 1. Brazilian and 2. World class having anything but their surname on the back of their shirt
- Jorginho hoppy skippy dummy style penalties
- Mike Dean
Great post.
Can I add:
Grown men responding to opposition fan chants by miming that fake orchestra conductor thing with their fingers
Our chant for Coutinho
The slowed down version of "Oh when the Saints..." that Spurs do
Can I add VAR and fans who go to away games but spend half the time in the concourse getting hammered and taking other substances.
Can I ask how you know this as I seem to spend most of my time actually watching the game?
Every now and again, I have to visit the toilet and sometimes that's during the game.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 04, 2022, 11:47:20 AM
Gives the ball away far too often.
He does and probably more than anyone else. He does get more of the ball too because he gets himself involved and tries stuff no other midfielder dare attempt. Even so, his surging runs from the back as exciting as they can be should be more measured. For starters, don't attempt them so deep and with a gaping hole in defense should they not come off as happened V Wolves. Gerrard needs to instruct him to cut that sort of shit out.
Post by: john e on April 09, 2022, 02:07:27 PM
He might not be playing to the top of his form at the moment, but he will play for a top six side within the next two or three years whether it will be us or not is another matter
If he leaves Villa in that time he will not be going to the likes of Southampton, Everton, Crystal Palace or even Wolves it will be for a team in the top six you mark my words
Post by: Steve67 on April 09, 2022, 04:18:53 PM
Post by: fredm on April 09, 2022, 05:11:02 PM
Post by: Steve67 on April 09, 2022, 06:29:25 PM
Post by: eamonn on April 09, 2022, 06:38:07 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 09, 2022, 06:45:44 PM
Tonight? It's daylight, please don't wish away time ;)might wish away the next 40 mins or so
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 09, 2022, 07:05:43 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 09, 2022, 07:20:21 PM
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2022, 07:31:24 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 09, 2022, 07:32:10 PM
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2022, 07:38:46 PM
This isn't on McGinn.
His inability to make a simple pass to a team mate is. What is he actually good at?
Post by: villadelph on April 09, 2022, 07:41:23 PM
This isn't on McGinn.
His inability to make a simple pass to a team mate is. What is he actually good at?
He had three or four bad turnovers.. and continues to open up his hips in the middle of the pitch to hit a 20yd telegraphed ball to the left and fails.
It’s costing us goals and we’re actively getting punished for it. He needs some time on the pine.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 09, 2022, 07:44:01 PM
Drop. Him. Play him in his position for Scotland or not at all. The fact that he seems undroppable really fucks me off, which is obviously not his fault.Yep.
Exactly.
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2022, 07:45:38 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 09, 2022, 07:50:53 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 09, 2022, 07:54:29 PM
The good thing is we’ll get decent offers for those two, especially McGinn as other teams and fans don’t seem to realise he’s just not very good.
Post by: passport1 on April 09, 2022, 07:55:05 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 09, 2022, 07:55:10 PM
Its not his fault we lost 0-4.
No, but he’s crap nearly every week.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 09, 2022, 07:55:39 PM
Slightly odd to be giving pelters to J McG today given the shit show by our central defenders and strikers.
It’s the McGinn thread.
Don’t rate our strikers. However, I’d be interested to see our defence playing behind a midfield that actually exists.
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2022, 07:57:01 PM
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2022, 07:57:35 PM
We need two big improvements on JM and Doug, give JJ the chance to realise his potential, and keep Coutinho. The rest are fine as squaddies.
The good thing is we’ll get decent offers for those two, especially McGinn as other teams and fans don’t seem to realise he’s just not very good.
Well said Perce.
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 09, 2022, 08:10:56 PM
Post by: Steve67 on April 09, 2022, 08:14:18 PM
Its not his fault we lost 0-4.
He is part of a collective, therefore, yes it is his fault. Same as the rest of them.
Post by: Ads on April 09, 2022, 08:36:06 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 09, 2022, 08:48:07 PM
Post by: brontebilly on April 10, 2022, 01:29:43 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on April 10, 2022, 04:03:23 AM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on April 10, 2022, 05:06:14 AM
Complete liability on the ball in defensive areas.
Yes. I can't recall a single player that gifts the ball to our opponents in such damaging areas with such obscene regularity.
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 10, 2022, 09:53:06 AM
Post by: john e on April 10, 2022, 10:55:25 AM
he will play for a top 6 team and play champions league football for someone in the prem
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2022, 10:58:36 AM
I still stand by what I said about John McGinn
he will play for a top 6 team and play champions league football for someone in the prem
I will bare my arse on the steps of the Holte if that ever happens. Not a chance in hell.
Post by: john e on April 10, 2022, 11:01:53 AM
I still stand by what I said about John McGinn
he will play for a top 6 team and play champions league football for someone in the prem
I will bare my arse on the steps of the Holte if that ever happens. Not a chance in hell.
Post Banked and put away for later time
Post by: Mister E on April 10, 2022, 11:15:34 AM
I still stand by what I said about John McGinnHe's not a dud, for sure. He needs a rest and a decent team around him.
he will play for a top 6 team and play champions league football for someone in the prem
Post by: Ads on April 10, 2022, 11:29:14 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 10, 2022, 01:19:48 PM
He gives it away far too much to be a top player.
And normally it's when he's under no pressure.
Post by: Proposition Joe on April 10, 2022, 01:22:30 PM
He gives it away far too much to be a top player.
Yes, exactly this. We need someone in his position with much better technique - I thought this would be Sanson, but he hasn't really kicked on.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 10, 2022, 01:27:45 PM
We need an outlet further forward so we have a choice to play it long or short. If McGinn has to keep getting the ball ten yards from our penalty area he is never going to be at his most effective. Defensive midfielder behind him and a vaguely competent replacement for Watkins will sort that out.
Post by: Drummond on April 10, 2022, 03:24:50 PM
Its his distribution that lets him down, if he is forced to play deep then there must be better options at the club.
He's a risk taker playing in a position where he shouldn't be taking them as it leaves us exposed when he does.
Either he changes, the formation changes, or he should be dropped.
Post by: achilles on April 10, 2022, 03:57:01 PM
Its his distribution that lets him down, if he is forced to play deep then there must be better options at the club.
He's a risk taker playing in a position where he shouldn't be taking them as it leaves us exposed when he does.
Either he changes, the formation changes, or he should be dropped.
Absolutely!
Watched him closely in the second half yesterday and he seemed utterly lost! He is obviously under instructions not to get forward so he is really struggling and becoming a shadow of the player he once was for us! Still convinced McGinn is a good player but his style is an all action involvement style which doesn't suit the system that Gerrard wants him to play.
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2022, 04:28:56 PM
Post by: john e on April 10, 2022, 04:59:06 PM
He was in forward areas for most of the game yesterday, he just wasn't very good.
We battered Spurs yesterday in the first half everybody admits that even pundits on the telly, We didn’t capitalise on the domination because of the misfits upfront And a keeper that turned into Gordon Banks
So he really couldn’t have been that bad don’t know what you were watching because it obviously wasn’t the match
He gave the ball away three times you said, I’m not saying that’s good and admittedly they were in dangerous positions but to use words like useless and did nothing, he needs to go, that I’m seeing on here is just pathetically ridiculous
You have an agenda against him fair enough I’ve been there I’ve done that with certain players in the past so I know what it’s like, but you’re still wrong
No mentions of the times he won the ball back, no mentions of the forward runs forward passes, no mention of the decent shot he had, no mention of the part he played when we were all over Spurs in the first half,
he gave the ball away three times for fuck‘s sake, Honestly it’s the most pathetic thing I’m reading on here lately
I’m not looking to change your mind because I know that won’t happen you’re set in your ways on this one and quite frankly don’t have very good judgement on players in my opinion which doesn’t help
McGinn is not in top form but he is no way the biggest liability we have in our team at the moment when we have a couple of misfiring numpties up front and centre backs with no composure or technical ability at the back
Post by: eamonn on April 10, 2022, 05:00:48 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 30, 2022, 10:49:47 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on June 01, 2022, 12:42:47 AM
He runs like Quasimodo, the hunched little meatball.
I didn’t quite get the the thing he quoted himself that he always looks like he’s just got out of/is getting away from a helicopter until the next time I saw him play, then thought aha!
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 02, 2022, 04:27:46 PM
Post by: eamonn on June 02, 2022, 05:09:52 PM
Post by: Risso on June 03, 2022, 09:20:41 AM
His header miss yesterday... oooh boy.
Just seen it on SSN. Deary me.
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 03, 2022, 11:53:14 AM
Post by: Pete3206 on June 03, 2022, 12:01:00 PM
Exactly the reason we should not have his as a starter in our team
One missed header? That's a stretch.
Post by: Steve67 on June 03, 2022, 04:13:38 PM
Exactly the reason we should not have his as a starter in our team
One missed header? That's a stretch.
And quite possibly the various mis-placed passes, only a couple of goals and few assists. Flatters to deceive despite his hustle and bustle style. Needs to kick on now. Hopefully will do, knowing the defence is protected at last.
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 03, 2022, 04:18:59 PM
Post by: Taylor on June 03, 2022, 04:51:37 PM
Post by: OCD on June 03, 2022, 05:31:48 PM
I don't want to see us keeping playing him on the right of midfield so he has to turn inside to get onto his left foot though.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2022, 10:10:05 AM
I f**king love John Mcginn. Leave him alone.
Correct.
Post by: john e on June 04, 2022, 12:54:30 PM
I f**king love John Mcginn. Leave him alone.
Correct.
H&V’s most underated player
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 04, 2022, 03:26:19 PM
I f**king love John Mcginn. Leave him alone.
Correct.
H&V’s most underated player
Quite the opposite amongst media and opposition fans in my experience.
Post by: Risso on June 04, 2022, 03:47:42 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on June 04, 2022, 04:31:17 PM
H&V's most overrated player.
This.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 04, 2022, 04:43:10 PM
I think he probably is.H&V's most overrated player.
This.
His loose passing at times is overlooked because of his pressing. He's got a very big season coming up.
Post by: john e on June 04, 2022, 04:52:55 PM
I think he probably is.H&V's most overrated player.
This.
His loose passing at times is overlooked because of his pressing. He's got a very big season coming up.
Sometimes I wonder whether you guys know anything about Football whatsoever
I know it’s all about opinions but you know the stick John McGinn gets on here is unbelievable it makes me think you guys have zero idea and I mean zero idea about what you’re talking about
Reminds me of that time years ago when people said Grealish was just a one trick pony Who offered nothing just fuck off You don’t know what you’re talking about
Post by: stubbsyandy on June 04, 2022, 05:28:34 PM
I think he probably is.H&V's most overrated player.
This.
His loose passing at times is overlooked because of his pressing. He's got a very big season coming up.
Sometimes I wonder whether you guys know anything about Football whatsoever
I know it’s all about opinions but you know the stick John McGinn gets on here is unbelievable it makes me think you guys have zero idea and I mean zero idea about what you’re talking about
Reminds me of that time years ago when people said Grealish was just a one trick pony Who offered nothing just fuck off You don’t know what you’re talking about
Spot on
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 04, 2022, 05:36:32 PM
I think he probably is.H&V's most overrated player.
This.
His loose passing at times is overlooked because of his pressing. He's got a very big season coming up.
Enough about Ollie Watkins, he has his own thread.
As for SJM, I look forward to seeing him next season when he's not carrying the weight of the team on his shoulders and played out of position.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 04, 2022, 06:13:42 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2022, 06:17:38 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2022, 06:28:02 PM
My son asked me why some Villa fans think he’s so good. I told him it’s a sentimental hangover from him being a top championship player making them blind to the fact he’s pretty mediocre in the PL.
I agree with that.
He's not useless, far from it, but at PL level he's looked middling at best.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 04, 2022, 06:35:09 PM
I would like to see him in a functioning team with a role that does not involve chasing and covering for full backs.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 04, 2022, 06:40:56 PM
Post by: Risso on June 04, 2022, 07:29:11 PM
My son asked me why some Villa fans think he’s so good. I told him it’s a sentimental hangover from him being a top championship player making them blind to the fact he’s pretty mediocre in the PL.
Yep. He’s a plodding, one paced midfielder whose passing is mostly average to crap, and who doesn’t score enough goals or create enough assists. If he played for somebody else, I doubt that football geniuses like john would be dying for us to sign him.
Post by: Clampy on June 04, 2022, 07:31:36 PM
My son asked me why some Villa fans think he’s so good. I told him it’s a sentimental hangover from him being a top championship player making them blind to the fact he’s pretty mediocre in the PL.
Yep. He’s a plodding, one paced midfielder whose passing is mostly average to crap, and who doesn’t score enough goals or create enough assists. If he played for somebody else, I doubt that football geniuses like john would be dying for us to sign him.
Do you not rate him? You've not mentioned it before.
Post by: KevinGage on June 04, 2022, 07:49:32 PM
But agree with others that he needs more competition to push him on.
Great guy, but shouldn't be one of the sacred cows who have no fear of being dropped. He looked flat for large parts from Jan onwards.
Will be good to see how he looks after the summer with the batteries recharged.
Post by: john e on June 04, 2022, 08:11:10 PM
My son asked me why some Villa fans think he’s so good. I told him it’s a sentimental hangover from him being a top championship player making them blind to the fact he’s pretty mediocre in the PL.
Yep. He’s a plodding, one paced midfielder whose passing is mostly average to crap, and who doesn’t score enough goals or create enough assists. If he played for somebody else, I doubt that football geniuses like john would be dying for us to sign him.
if he leaves it will be for big money and a team far higher than us at the moment
Post by: eamonn on June 04, 2022, 08:50:51 PM
When we play the top eight they're wiser to this and his weaknesses are highlighted. I'd keep him as he still has great attributes (lovely left foot, works like a trojan) but he should not be a regular starter, let alone the practical ever-present he is at the moment.
Post by: Risso on June 04, 2022, 09:13:07 PM
My son asked me why some Villa fans think he’s so good. I told him it’s a sentimental hangover from him being a top championship player making them blind to the fact he’s pretty mediocre in the PL.
Yep. He’s a plodding, one paced midfielder whose passing is mostly average to crap, and who doesn’t score enough goals or create enough assists. If he played for somebody else, I doubt that football geniuses like john would be dying for us to sign him.
if he leaves it will be for big money and a team far higher than us at the moment
But then again, it probably won't be.
Post by: Risso on June 04, 2022, 09:14:24 PM
My son asked me why some Villa fans think he’s so good. I told him it’s a sentimental hangover from him being a top championship player making them blind to the fact he’s pretty mediocre in the PL.
Yep. He’s a plodding, one paced midfielder whose passing is mostly average to crap, and who doesn’t score enough goals or create enough assists. If he played for somebody else, I doubt that football geniuses like john would be dying for us to sign him.
Do you not rate him? You've not mentioned it before.
We're up to 220 pages in the John McGinn thread. If you've got something new to say, let's hear it.
Post by: Nelly on June 04, 2022, 09:26:12 PM
If we are building a squad that might be able to compete on multiple fronts, I'd be very surprised if there was no room for McGinn.
Post by: Clampy on June 04, 2022, 10:48:42 PM
My son asked me why some Villa fans think he’s so good. I told him it’s a sentimental hangover from him being a top championship player making them blind to the fact he’s pretty mediocre in the PL.
Yep. He’s a plodding, one paced midfielder whose passing is mostly average to crap, and who doesn’t score enough goals or create enough assists. If he played for somebody else, I doubt that football geniuses like john would be dying for us to sign him.
Do you not rate him? You've not mentioned it before.
We're up to 220 pages in the John McGinn thread. If you've got something new to say, let's hear it.
Nah, that's ok. I'm sure you'll update us tomorrow though.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 04, 2022, 10:51:35 PM
Post by: Drummond on June 04, 2022, 10:52:01 PM
I think he's better whne he keeps it simple and isn't trying to force games. And again when he's in his favoured position.
Post by: Allan C on June 04, 2022, 11:09:45 PM
Someone on a different thread alluded to the idea that Beale going might be good news for McGinn as the two may have not seen eye to eye. Maybe he will be refreshed under a new coach? Maybe integrated nearer his preferred role?This is a problem with some people on these threads, it’s always someone else’s fault, it’s the coaches fault, it was the previous coaches fault, they’re playing out of position, “he didn’t see eye to eye with Beale”. Maybe it is actually that he’s not quite good enough at this level ??
If we are building a squad that might be able to compete on multiple fronts, I'd be very surprised if there was no room for McGinn.
Post by: Steve67 on June 04, 2022, 11:10:26 PM
Post by: Legion on June 04, 2022, 11:21:19 PM
He looks great at times and awful at others. Other teams appear to covet him, ex player pundits rave about him.
I think he's better whne he keeps it simple and isn't trying to force games. And again when he's in his favoured position.
Agreed. I think he's great. Super, even.
Post by: Nelly on June 04, 2022, 11:37:57 PM
Someone on a different thread alluded to the idea that Beale going might be good news for McGinn as the two may have not seen eye to eye. Maybe he will be refreshed under a new coach? Maybe integrated nearer his preferred role?This is a problem with some people on these threads, it’s always someone else’s fault, it’s the coaches fault, it was the previous coaches fault, they’re playing out of position, “he didn’t see eye to eye with Beale”. Maybe it is actually that he’s not quite good enough at this level ??
If we are building a squad that might be able to compete on multiple fronts, I'd be very surprised if there was no room for McGinn.
"Some people". Sure, Allan.
It could be that he's not good enough, that's an option. Let's at least replace him with better before we write him off. Also, I do think it's worth a go playing him in his favoured position - I thought footballers trained all day to specialise in what they do best? Extreme example, but would we be okay with sticking Emi Martinez up front and writing him off if he doesn't deliver a glorious return?
Post by: DC1874 on June 04, 2022, 11:47:52 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 05, 2022, 12:08:16 AM
Someone on a different thread alluded to the idea that Beale going might be good news for McGinn as the two may have not seen eye to eye. Maybe he will be refreshed under a new coach? Maybe integrated nearer his preferred role?
If we are building a squad that might be able to compete on multiple fronts, I'd be very surprised if there was no room for McGinn.
The only thing I heard these last few months from SJM was he'd been told by SG that he needs to start living like a professional footballer and change his diet. Maybe Beale had mentioned it to him previously, thus a potential fall out but once SG told him he knew he had an issue.
For what it's worth, I think SJM has been playing too much football both for us and Scotland these last few years. I also wouldn't be surprised if he was brought back too early from his injury. Add to that playing out of position until it was pointed out to Dean how many goals he was scoring for Scotland and then being undroppable under SG. The fat fucker needs a rest. I love him and I'm sure come the new season we'll see the same SJM we all saw on our return to the PL, hopefully with a fresh pair of legs.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2022, 10:07:08 AM
A player played in the wrong position for me - he's a cracking attacking midfielder as his goal vs Spurs 1st season back can testify! Alternatively, if you want to hate him cos he's a Jock then fine, but as a Mick (as the BBC seemed fine with some Public School Rupert saying the other day) then I suspect there's a bit of an agenda with having a go at a player who only cost us £3M from Hibs!
I think the fact he cost next to nothing will be a problem for absolutely nobody, or will the fact he's Scottish!
That goal you referred to is a good point - that's what he can do, we've seen that. We just haven't seen him do it for quite a long time now.
Post by: Risso on June 05, 2022, 10:11:51 AM
A player played in the wrong position for me - he's a cracking attacking midfielder as his goal vs Spurs 1st season back can testify! Alternatively, if you want to hate him cos he's a Jock then fine, but as a Mick (as the BBC seemed fine with some Public School Rupert saying the other day) then I suspect there's a bit of an agenda with having a go at a player who only cost us £3M from Hibs!
I think the fact he cost next to nothing will be a problem for absolutely nobody, or will the fact he's Scottish!
That goal you referred to is a good point - that's what he can do, we've seen that. We just haven't seen him do it for quite a long time now.
And we've never seen him do it in the Premier League more than three times a season. He played as one of the most attacking of the midfield three for most of last season, and still couldn't score.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2022, 10:16:42 AM
From that, I'd say that I'd rather sell a £20m player for £45m than a £45m player for £45m.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2022, 10:20:17 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 05, 2022, 10:29:25 AM
He’s had to play with piss weak, off the pace players like Nakamba, Luiz and Sanson since we’ve been in the PL, or kids.
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 05, 2022, 10:29:42 AM
Post by: Clampy on June 05, 2022, 10:33:19 AM
As for McGinn, I like him a lot, I think he's great. Hopefully next season with a couple of additions, we can give him a rest now and again and more importantly, play him further forward.
Post by: Rigadon on June 05, 2022, 10:42:35 AM
RCF mentions that he's played too much football and I'd agree, especially with the high energy game he plays. I think most footballers do in our league. You only have to look at that turge fest yesterday. The seasaon only finished a few weeks ago and they're playing pointless games. I'm glad the likes of Watkins and Mings are sitting on a beach somewhere with their feet up.
As for McGinn, I like him a lot, I think he's great. Hopefully next season with a couple of additions, we can give him a rest now and again and more importantly, play him further forward.
Totally agree. These pointless international games are a right load of bollocks. McGinn is a cracking player on his day and hopefully those days will be more commonplace when he's playing in a settled, high-functioning midfield with a specialist holding midfielder doing the water carrying.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2022, 10:43:42 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 05, 2022, 10:44:28 AM
Post by: Clampy on June 05, 2022, 10:58:54 AM
They aren't "pointless games". Scotland have, literally, qualified for one tournament in the past 24 years and it was because of their Nations League performance.
But players don't need them so soon after a season has finished and especially with another season and a World Cup looming.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 05, 2022, 11:06:14 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2022, 11:08:31 AM
They aren't "pointless games". Scotland have, literally, qualified for one tournament in the past 24 years and it was because of their Nations League performance.
But players don't need them so soon after a season has finished and especially with another season and a World Cup looming.
Better to play them at the end of the season than disrupt the season over and over again, IMO. And McGinn's last game was moved from March, to be fair. FIFA aren't to blame for Russia invading Ukraine.
Post by: LeeB on June 05, 2022, 11:23:22 AM
They aren't "pointless games". Scotland have, literally, qualified for one tournament in the past 24 years and it was because of their Nations League performance.
Sorry mate, but aren't most of Scotland's fixtures pointless precisely because they never fucking qualify?
Post by: nigel on June 05, 2022, 11:33:13 AM
A player played in the wrong position for me - he's a cracking attacking midfielder as his goal vs Spurs 1st season back can testify! Alternatively, if you want to hate him cos he's a Jock then fine, but as a Mick (as the BBC seemed fine with some Public School Rupert saying the other day) then I suspect there's a bit of an agenda with having a go at a player who only cost us £3M from Hibs!
I think the fact he cost next to nothing will be a problem for absolutely nobody, or will the fact he's Scottish!
That goal you referred to is a good point - that's what he can do, we've seen that. We just haven't seen him do it for quite a long time now.
And we've never seen him do it in the Premier League more than three times a season. He played as one of the most attacking of the midfield three for most of last season, and still couldn't score.
Not for want of trying, though.
I’m pretty sure on 3 or 4 occasions the various keepers pulled of a good/great save, and a few other times he was slightly off target.
So, just like Ollie, a bit more accuracy/luck and SJM could have hit double figures, or pretty close.
I think he’s certainly a top half Premier League player. Top 4 or 5? Probably not, but he could certainly do a grand job for any team hovering around 6-10
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2022, 11:39:08 AM
They aren't "pointless games". Scotland have, literally, qualified for one tournament in the past 24 years and it was because of their Nations League performance.
Sorry mate, but aren't most of Scotland's fixtures pointless precisely because they never fucking qualify?
It's always worth seeing which teams we help qualify.
Post by: john e on June 05, 2022, 11:40:10 AM
And I think Gerrard sees him as integral to the project over the next couple of seasons
Hopefully we will hit the top six with McGinn as a starter to prove you know nothings all wrong
either that or McGinn will be playing for a top six side somewhere else either way he’s a top six player and that’s where he’ll end up playing
Post by: Risso on June 05, 2022, 11:55:55 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2022, 12:04:37 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 05, 2022, 12:07:33 PM
I love McGinn, but i do think he hasn’t quite been the same player since, equally that could be as much about him being played much deeper. There have been flashes when he’d grabbed games by the scruff of the neck, doing those barnstorming runs, Man Utd away in the cup and Southampton at home spring to mind.
I think he’s absolutely a top 10 player, i also think we need to see how he does this season within a proper structured and balanced midfield before judging whether he can be part of a top 6 midfield. Either way he’s already been a great servant and player for the club in an important time in our recent history.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 05, 2022, 01:02:42 PM
A player played in the wrong position for me - he's a cracking attacking midfielder as his goal vs Spurs 1st season back can testify! Alternatively, if you want to hate him cos he's a Jock then fine, but as a Mick (as the BBC seemed fine with some Public School Rupert saying the other day) then I suspect there's a bit of an agenda with having a go at a player who only cost us £3M from Hibs!
I think the fact he cost next to nothing will be a problem for absolutely nobody, or will the fact he's Scottish!
That goal you referred to is a good point - that's what he can do, we've seen that. We just haven't seen him do it for quite a long time now.
And we've never seen him do it in the Premier League more than three times a season. He played as one of the most attacking of the midfield three for most of last season, and still couldn't score.
Not for want of trying, though.
I’m pretty sure on 3 or 4 occasions the various keepers pulled of a good/great save, and a few other times he was slightly off target.
So, just like Ollie, a bit more accuracy/luck and SJM could have hit double figures, or pretty close.
I think he’s certainly a top half Premier League player. Top 4 or 5? Probably not, but he could certainly do a grand job for any team hovering around 6-10
He had sixteen efforts on target all season. That's a world class conversion rate if he's scoring double figures from that.
Post by: WarszaVillan on June 05, 2022, 01:22:08 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 05, 2022, 01:32:01 PM
I think he’s absolutely a top 10 player, i also think we need to see how he does this season within a proper structured and balanced midfield before judging whether he can be part of a top 6 midfield. Either way he’s already been a great servant and player for the club in an important time in our recent history.
I think that’s about where he is as well. In terms of position, he’s box to box, but considering how little support he’s been getting in there it’s been difficult for him to not get bogged down meaning that he’s not really free to play that role as well as he could.
Post by: Rigadon on June 05, 2022, 01:44:28 PM
They aren't "pointless games". Scotland have, literally, qualified for one tournament in the past 24 years and it was because of their Nations League performance.
I don't watch much international football, actually, I don't watch any football apart from Villa and if England qualify for a major tournament. So I'm pretty ignorant on the subject and would rather our players have a rest unless it's one of the above!
Post by: UK Redsox on June 05, 2022, 01:50:57 PM
They aren't "pointless games". Scotland have, literally, qualified for one tournament in the past 24 years and it was because of their Nations League performance.
These games might well turn out to be pointless because I don't think that UEFA have confirmed that this edition of the Nations League will be included in the qualification process for the next Euros.
Post by: john e on June 05, 2022, 01:57:31 PM
I think he is a great player and would be greatly missed if he went. Just look at the last goal of the month, two great assists by SJM: one from the left for Watkins, another from the right for Buendia. Like some others he could do with not playing every game and having a more solid midfield base behind him.
Yeah but what about that misplaced pass he made in the 23rd minute when he was trying to move the ball forward and set up an attacking situation and went to the opposition, The bastard he’s shit,
He needs to go and let’s bring in someone that only passes sideways and never gives it away, we don’t need progressive players who go forward and sometimes give the ball away, We need a bunch load of defensive midfielders passing the fucker backwards
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2022, 02:17:07 PM
They aren't "pointless games". Scotland have, literally, qualified for one tournament in the past 24 years and it was because of their Nations League performance.
These games might well turn out to be pointless because I don't think that UEFA have confirmed that this edition of the Nations League will be included in the qualification process for the next Euros.
At the minimum, they will be used to decide seeding for the European Championship Qualifiers. They will almost certainly be used to allocate playoff spots, too. All that has really to be decided is if the Nations League is the sole provider of playoff spots, like it was for Euro 2020, or if it provides two additional playoff spots, like it does for this World Cup.
In any case, you can still win a trophy, so I'd argue it isn't "pointless", regardless. I don't believe Villa winning the League Cup in 1961 was worthless because it wasn't it didn't provide European competition at that point. The Nations League is clearly not as big a deal as the Euros or World Cup, but it's still well worth winning, and it would be front page news in every newspaper if England won it.
Post by: nigel on June 05, 2022, 04:03:44 PM
A player played in the wrong position for me - he's a cracking attacking midfielder as his goal vs Spurs 1st season back can testify! Alternatively, if you want to hate him cos he's a Jock then fine, but as a Mick (as the BBC seemed fine with some Public School Rupert saying the other day) then I suspect there's a bit of an agenda with having a go at a player who only cost us £3M from Hibs!
I think the fact he cost next to nothing will be a problem for absolutely nobody, or will the fact he's Scottish!
That goal you referred to is a good point - that's what he can do, we've seen that. We just haven't seen him do it for quite a long time now.
And we've never seen him do it in the Premier League more than three times a season. He played as one of the most attacking of the midfield three for most of last season, and still couldn't score.
Not for want of trying, though.
I’m pretty sure on 3 or 4 occasions the various keepers pulled of a good/great save, and a few other times he was slightly off target.
So, just like Ollie, a bit more accuracy/luck and SJM could have hit double figures, or pretty close.
I think he’s certainly a top half Premier League player. Top 4 or 5? Probably not, but he could certainly do a grand job for any team hovering around 6-10
He had sixteen efforts on target all season. That's a world class conversion rate if he's scoring double figures from that.
I also mentioned the ones that were slightly off target, too.
I don’t count the numbers, but, the point I was making was that it’s not as if he wasn’t having a go, he was pretty unlucky on a fair few occasions
Post by: Drummond on June 06, 2022, 12:48:28 AM
I also think his style is precisely what a lot of managers want, though I'm not sure he'd be seen as a starter, but definitely a very well used substitute and Cup player.
And perhaps that's where we need to go with him too. Milner as an example is very similar, though more of an athlete, and that's an area that McGinn,by common consent, needs to work on.
Post by: eamonn on June 06, 2022, 01:12:08 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 06, 2022, 01:32:53 PM
He's 27 now, how likely is he to change his meatball diet?
Or improve his ability.
He is high energy and i can see how he gets fans on side with his honest endeavour but its not enough and too many times his arse pivot then 40/50 yard Hollywood pass just gives up possession in the wrong places. He does it with such regularity that i feel he can be a liability at times.
Post by: frank black on June 06, 2022, 01:57:48 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on June 14, 2022, 07:06:57 PM
https://twitter.com/OptaJoe/status/1536758773976649729?t=lH2Hwegq4jBkp-xt0dvqxQ&s=19
Post by: Ads on June 14, 2022, 08:57:12 PM
He does it so often and so repeatedly that it costs goals. Arsenal away stands out, but he did the same thing at Man City.
He needs to look after the ball better if we're going to improve as a side and dominate possession and territory further up the pitch.
His goal scoring record is poor too with 9 goals in 100 games. He was outscored by Cash and totally outshone by Ramsey, who is significantly better quality.
He's the weak link of a midfield of Kamara, Ramsey and McGinn. He needs to improve.
Post by: Colhint on June 14, 2022, 09:50:20 PM
Post by: Paul.S on June 20, 2022, 12:42:05 PM
I just think he’s not been used correctly at all this season. A high energy, attacking midfielder who does most of his best work in the final 3rd. It’s no surprise his goals tally hasn’t been great when he’s been asked to take up a mostly defensive position in midfield. If Gerrard doesn’t want him to play this role then that would be a shame as I see him as a great asset for us.
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 20, 2022, 12:52:02 PM
https://www.footballinsider247.com/aston-villa-mcginn-offers/
I dont necessarily want him to be sold but i do want him to become a squad player and in the side on merit rather than his personality. He has been a cast in stone regular for 3 managers now, mainly i think because we have not had better quality, but i hope we now do going forward.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 20, 2022, 12:55:17 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2022, 01:10:13 PM
As for last season, I think he came back from injury too soon, probably to make sure he didn't miss out on the important international games for Scotland. It did nobody any favours and he only started finding his real form with a few games to go. The frustrating thing is we had for the best part Sanson sitting on the bench who could have done a job but never used.
As Colhint says above, if SJM had a rest once in a while it would do us all good. Oh and not playing him out of position might help too.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2022, 01:10:39 PM
We've got McGinn, whinging John McGinn....
.. he just never seems to understand
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2022, 01:26:46 PM
We've got McGinn, whinging John McGinn....
.. he just never seems to understand
..Irn Bru man, he's bigger than a van..
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 20, 2022, 01:35:59 PM
We've got McGinn, whinging John McGinn....
.. he just never seems to understand
'Fore he becomes the Michelin Man
We've put him on Jane's Plan
We've got bingeing John McGinn
Post by: eamonn on June 20, 2022, 02:05:42 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2022, 02:55:07 PM
Would it matter much that he fell out with Beale if Micky's since fucked off to QPR?
No, providing he sorts himself out. There's no excuse for a player of his ability, salary, status, I hate the term 'elite' not refueling correctly. No idea if that was behind the reason of him and Beale falling out, it may not be true but he has been told by SG to stop eating junk.
Post by: villadelph on June 20, 2022, 05:09:20 PM
I don't believe any of it quite frankly, and 6 different papers are now going to pick it up and run with it.. regurgitating the same crap until either the club or SJM dismiss it.
Modern football, eh? So much fun.
Post by: Risso on June 20, 2022, 05:12:41 PM
i think if he had a rest once in a while it would do us all good
God help us if we ever qualify for Europe then, or have an extended run in a cup or two.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 20, 2022, 05:19:10 PM
Post by: Ads on June 20, 2022, 05:35:30 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 20, 2022, 05:47:44 PM
Post by: Risso on June 20, 2022, 05:51:34 PM
I’d agree regarding his passing but would say the same about most of our midfield.
I just think he’s not been used correctly at all this season. A high energy, attacking midfielder who does most of his best work in the final 3rd. It’s no surprise his goals tally hasn’t been great when he’s been asked to take up a mostly defensive position in midfield. If Gerrard doesn’t want him to play this role then that would be a shame as I see him as a great asset for us.
He hasn't been played in a defensive position though. Whenever we've lined up with a midfield 3, Luiz sits further back, with McGinn and Ramsey playing more advanced roles.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2022, 05:59:16 PM
McGinn himself said he's not played enough football this season and hopes to play more next with Cup runs etc.
Not seen him say he's not played enough football this season and it would be pretty hard for him to have as apart from the games he was out with his injury he hardly missed a game. Was there one game where he was dropped?
I'd certainly like to see him involved in more games next season though his 46 games this season is no bad showing all considered. As the man said himself, “If I had the choice I would be playing more games. If you ask any of the Villa lads, the reason we’re not playing more games is because we haven’t done well as a team, so I want to be involved in finals and want to try and get into Europe.
“The more the merrier for me. If you’re playing all those games it means you’re in the starting team for one and certainly you’ve been successful. Hopefully next season it is not just 46 (games). I hope it’s more than that with semi-finals and finals.”
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 20, 2022, 08:24:07 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2022, 11:19:56 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2022, 12:45:01 AM
He basically plays every minute of every league game he's available for so not sure what he's on about when he's played 10 + games for Scotland aswell.
I think a good barometer of our transfer window is does he go to rotation player next season or will he still play every single minute given we still need another CM so not to heap all pressure on Kamara to hit it off instantly.
Don't think he'll be sold anyway unless we get a ridiculous bid.
Post by: Drummond on June 21, 2022, 08:10:18 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2022, 09:09:30 AM
Bless We Are All Plastic Twats (https://weallfollowunited.com/2022/06/21/manchester-united-man-utd-transfer-aston-villa-john-mcginn-summer/)
That reads like it was written by a bot that's run out of battery.
Post by: Risso on June 21, 2022, 09:12:49 AM
Bless We Are All Plastic Twats (https://weallfollowunited.com/2022/06/21/manchester-united-man-utd-transfer-aston-villa-john-mcginn-summer/)
That reads like it was written by a bot that's run out of battery.
You're not wrong:
"This news would come as a great piece of update for Sir Alex Ferguson,"
"Man United are looking into the market for reinforcements to improve their declined midfield"
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 21, 2022, 11:48:04 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2022, 11:52:57 AM
They're idiots. If he leaves, bleed them dry. £60 million before we even think about it.
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2022, 11:54:42 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 21, 2022, 12:16:20 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 21, 2022, 12:55:02 PM
Its all a load of old bollix
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 21, 2022, 01:10:19 PM
Do we think Van Tagg with all his European market experience, has been keeping a close eye on mid table Aston Villas John McGinn all this time. Same as Conte.
Its all a load of old bollix
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 21, 2022, 01:22:18 PM
Do we think Van Tagg with all his European market experience, has been leeping a close eye on mid table Aston Villas John McGinn all this time. Sane as Conte
Its all a load of old bollix
Is that the same Conte who just bought a midfielder from mid table Brighton?
;-)
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2022, 01:32:09 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 21, 2022, 01:34:17 PM
Do we think Van Tagg with all his European market experience, has been leeping a close eye on mid table Aston Villas John McGinn all this time. Sane as Conte
Its all a load of old bollix
Is that the same Conte who just bought a midfielder from mid table Brighton?
;-)
Good point and maybe its a case of me not valuing one of our players (though i still really like McGinn).
I just think theres not much going really transfer wise and its just shite talk. Same as Bale coming to us. Absolutely nothing to see here officer
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 21, 2022, 01:55:50 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2022, 02:07:02 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 21, 2022, 02:26:06 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 21, 2022, 03:08:05 PM
McGinn has been going to ManU for the last 4 years if you believe every article.Exactly, and it all originated as apparently Ferguson liked his fellow Scot some years ago.
Theres very little going on transfer wise for anyone at the moment and its just creating stories for the sake of it.
Luiz is out of contract, even if we get another midfielder in, theres not a chance of both McGinn and Luiz going and if its between the two it’ll clearly be Luiz
Post by: Risso on June 21, 2022, 03:28:43 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 21, 2022, 03:36:21 PM
Because only the greatest players in the world have ever finished in the top four? Wes Brown won five league titles.
And he came through their youth system and was mainly a back up player to better players. Do you think that Man Utd would be wise to shell out £40 - £50m on McGinn in the expectation that he'll propel them into the top 4 and maybe beyond then?
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2022, 04:16:47 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2022, 04:21:35 PM
I think he would be a shrewd signing at that price, compared to the money they have spent in the last few years. Anyone who thinks McGinn is worth half a Maguire is at it.
He's worth twice Maguire. If you've ever watched that donkey play
Post by: Dogtanian on June 24, 2022, 09:35:56 AM
https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa (https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa)
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 24, 2022, 10:21:49 AM
An interesting analysis of McGinn;
https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa (https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa)
Interesting. Or at least it would be, if I could only understand a fraction of it!
Post by: mike on June 24, 2022, 10:41:41 AM
An interesting analysis of McGinn;
https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa (https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa)
Interesting. Or at least it would be, if I could only understand a fraction of it!
I wonder what Steve Bruce makes of stats like this. Not a word about sleeves being rolled up.
Post by: Mister E on June 24, 2022, 10:49:45 AM
An interesting analysis of McGinn;So, basically what we've been saying here all of last season - play him further up the pitch!
https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa (https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa)
It does, clearly, indicate the selection challenge DG has: whether to play McGinn or Ramsey; or whether to keep Luiz.
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2022, 11:31:19 AM
An interesting analysis of McGinn;So, basically what we've been saying here all of last season - play him further up the pitch!
https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa (https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2022/6/24/23019073/john-mcginn-future-aston-villa)
It does, clearly, indicate the selection challenge DG has: whether to play McGinn or Ramsey; or whether to keep Luiz.
I think you can easily carry 3 players for those 2 positions (and then have a 4th choice who is clearly squad cover). We really need to starting thinking about a 20 man match day squad more than a first 11, most games we're going to see 16 players get time on the pitch so you want at least that many that you'd be happy to see starting.
On the basis that we play 41221 or 41212 (the 2 shapes we've mostly used under Gerrard) you want a bench with a keeper, centre half, DM, CM, AM and striker who wouldn't look out of place starting as the minimum squad. Right now I think we're pretty close to that but we'd probably want a 3rd striker (if Archer isn't considered ready) and I'm not sure about Nakamba as the cover if Kamara is out for any length of time. After that a few useful squad players and the youth team covers most gaps so we only need to find where we're really short on cover for any signings after the 1-2 mentioned (maybe full backs and a 4th CM option if I'm greedy).
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 24, 2022, 01:50:35 PM
I can't remember a game over last couple of seasons where he has been MOTM or left out or hooked unless injured or suspended.
I have nothing against him per se but I do consider his immovability from starting XI is causing our midfield to be imbalanced in every game.
To succeed I feel he needs to be benched so we can utilise the midfield staff we have to better effect.
Post by: Paul.S on July 24, 2022, 08:49:52 PM
Post by: Risso on July 24, 2022, 09:20:58 PM
McGinn is not a defensive midfielder and is not a ball player. He’s at his best when he’s got the licence to fly forward. Last season he was the victim of the turmoil when Grealish left and then Deano. If he’s played in his best position then he’ll be a huge asset for us again.
He's never been a huge asset for us going forwards. 3 goals a season is his lot, every year in the Premier league.
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 24, 2022, 09:37:12 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 24, 2022, 11:08:17 PM
I wouldnt be shocked to see a surprise on the first day of the season, but think its more likely to be Mings benched for Chambers. I really can’t see both Mings and McGinn dropped straight away.
I’ve thought for a while (can’t mind if I’ve posted it) that I wouldn’t mind selling either of them, or Ollie, but I think it might be too much change for one summer. Plus I suspect they are leaders within the squad.
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 26, 2022, 12:54:52 PM
He simply is not good or consistent enough to warrant a guaranteed 1st team starting spot. Maybe a spot of bench time might get him back to the levels he once was
Post by: usav on July 26, 2022, 01:04:58 PM
After Emi (GK) i bet his name is first on team sheet every week - and that is just not right with the mixture of midfielders / attackers we have now.
He simply is not good or consistent enough to warrant a guaranteed 1st team starting spot. Maybe a spot of bench time might get him back to the levels he once was
Agree with the second part, hope you are wrong on the first.
Post by: Ger Regan on July 27, 2022, 05:02:31 PM
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Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 05:05:48 PM
Announced as captain. From a seniority perspective makes some sense, but I'd expect hope his position to be under threat.I did not expect to see that. Think that confirms the two formations we will play are: 4-3-2-1 and 4-3-1-2
Cant see McGinn working in a 4-2-3-1, as he cant keep the ball for shit
Think Emi would be a better choice - as risk this shows you can under perform for large chunks of the season and its fine.
Post by: cdward on July 27, 2022, 05:06:19 PM
Wonder what this means for Mings?
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 05:08:08 PM
Martinez is vice captain, Ashley Young is club captain.Club Captain is a load of b*ll*cks in my opinion
Wonder what this means for Mings?
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 05:09:41 PM
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 27, 2022, 05:11:54 PM
Looking at the statement, I wonder whether Gerrard thinks it will help Mings and being captain was a distraction on the pitch for him.... (not sure I buy it though)
Post by: SaddVillan on July 27, 2022, 05:12:39 PM
Post by: OCD on July 27, 2022, 05:14:34 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2022, 05:15:01 PM
https://twitter.com/tyronemings/status/1552323972628447239?s=21&t=h5sFtB4veJ1C3-djDTtR9Q
Post by: bilsim on July 27, 2022, 05:15:54 PM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 27, 2022, 05:16:02 PM
“Naturally, I have had to have a discussion with Tyrone Mings and have explained my reasons for making this decision. More importantly, I believe that not having the responsibility of the captaincy will allow Tyrone to focus more on his own game which can only benefit him and the team.”
Post by: Paul.S on July 27, 2022, 05:19:42 PM
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 05:20:25 PM
I dont have an issue with him being captain for a game, I think he is a good player, but McGinn doesnt suit the way SG has had us playing.
We have enough issue trying to balance the midfield as is, and now making him pretty much undroppable worries me
It convinces me we aren't getting in another midfielder now.
Post by: Villan For Life on July 27, 2022, 05:21:08 PM
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 05:21:37 PM
Hmm. Not thrilled about this as it suggests little will change from last year with McGinn being in a no-mans land between defence and attack. Hope I'm wrong but starting to feel a little anxious about this season.Yeah
Post by: Risso on July 27, 2022, 05:24:40 PM
Just because someone’s captain, it doesn’t mean they are guaranteed a game if they aren’t performing. Personally, I couldn’t care who it is and it’s not as big a deal as it used to be.
I can't think of many teams where the captain isn't a guaranteed starter. Why would you make them captain if they weren't?
Post by: Paul.S on July 27, 2022, 05:27:23 PM
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 05:28:00 PM
I think when he DS dropped Mings, we all knew the writing was on the wall. And as McGinn wasnt dropped when he was poor for large parts of last season, I cant see him being dropped nowJust because someone’s captain, it doesn’t mean they are guaranteed a game if they aren’t performing. Personally, I couldn’t care who it is and it’s not as big a deal as it used to be.
I can't think of many teams where the captain isn't a guaranteed starter. Why would you make them captain if they weren't?
Post by: usav on July 27, 2022, 05:32:18 PM
Post by: Paul.S on July 27, 2022, 05:32:32 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 27, 2022, 05:34:35 PM
Post by: Nev on July 27, 2022, 05:35:49 PM
Post by: Drummond on July 27, 2022, 05:37:00 PM
From one-versus-one
He has scored 3 times after 38 match days in the season 2021/2022. This makes him the number 102 scorer in the Premier League so far. His conversion rate for shots to goals is 37.
John McGinn has 4 assists after 38 match days in the season 2021/2022. With these statistics he ranks number 41 in the Premier League. He also has a total of 26 chances created. With these statistics he ranks number 36 in the Premier League.
In season 2021/2022. He has won 57 aerial duels and 176 tackles. On top of this he made a total of 14 blocks. Based on these statistics after match day 38 he ranks on number 2 in the Premier League.
He is a Midfielder - Right central in Aston Villa. Within his team of Aston Villa he is currently ranked 1 best player of his team based on our 1vs1 Index Aston Villa.
Also.... McGinn won more tackles than any other Premier League player last season and won more fouls than anyone else bar Zaha. He was the 20th biggest threat going forwards too.
In summary he's an all-round player with a great attitude.
Part of the reason Mings lost it in my view is that he was top of the Yellow Card list last season (and his partner Konsa top of the Red Card list.)
Post by: brontebilly on July 27, 2022, 05:41:11 PM
No matter what spin Mings puts on it, it certainly is a blow for him. I never really thought being captain put him out too much, whenever he concentrated on the basics he was fine. Not trying to be Maldini and losing the ball in contact. Communicated well on the pitch and certainly a role model off it.
If it's a football decision and ultimately Gerrard wants centre halves better able to bring the ball out from the back then fair enough, that's not Mings strength and his time with us could be up quite quickly if Carlos is seen as ready. But ball retention has never been the friend of McGinn either.
Post by: cdward on July 27, 2022, 05:41:43 PM
Maybe the real point is that SG can drop/rotate Mings a lot more now.Just because someone’s captain, it doesn’t mean they are guaranteed a game if they aren’t performing. Personally, I couldn’t care who it is and it’s not as big a deal as it used to be.
I can't think of many teams where the captain isn't a guaranteed starter. Why would you make them captain if they weren't?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 27, 2022, 05:44:20 PM
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 27, 2022, 05:45:13 PM
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 05:47:57 PM
My worry is that signals that we are going to set up as last season with SJM in no mans land and Mings and Watkins up front.Or worse, Ings and Watkins
This is whats giving me the sinking feeling - that this season will just be a re-run of last one
McGinn is a good player - if used right - I dont think that the way that SG wants his team to play suits his strengths. Having Kamara may help, but to me he is SGM is worse than Luiz and Ramsey
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 27, 2022, 05:48:37 PM
Post by: usav on July 27, 2022, 05:51:00 PM
Seems a pointless and unnecessary snub to Mings for me.
Or it shows that this is Gerrard's team and nobody's place is guaranteed.
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 05:55:29 PM
Both have been great for us - but evidence to suggest that both have a) hit theirs ceiling, b) dont suit SG style of play
Promised myself I wouldnt get worked up by shit like this, this season - so will try and stop now and give SG the benefit of my doubt (which I am sure he'll be pleased with)
Post by: Matt C on July 27, 2022, 05:56:34 PM
I think we can take Gerrard's explanation at face value. We all know Mings is a fine defender but that his problem, such as it is, is maintaining full concentration for 90 minutes. I genuinely think the manager sees this as removing a distraction.
That’s my take too. Help Mings become a better defender.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 27, 2022, 05:59:38 PM
Just because someone’s captain, it doesn’t mean they are guaranteed a game if they aren’t performing. Personally, I couldn’t care who it is and it’s not as big a deal as it used to be.
This is true. I’ll add, Mings will behave like a captain in any case just like when Grealish was captain.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 27, 2022, 05:59:57 PM
As for the McGinn decision - It sends alarm bells that he'll be playing week in, week out, when he shouldn't even be first choice imo. Sanson, Kamara and Buendia should be our midfield 3.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 27, 2022, 06:01:08 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2022, 06:01:40 PM
Post by: OCD on July 27, 2022, 06:16:29 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 27, 2022, 06:17:30 PM
I don't think Mings was great Captain material, not vocal enough and too accepting of referees going against us.
Not vocal enough…without him we’re virtually a team of mutes.
Post by: Villa Lew on July 27, 2022, 06:19:46 PM
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 06:20:58 PM
I was expecting us to get in another player who would become captain.
Post by: villadelph on July 27, 2022, 06:21:50 PM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 27, 2022, 06:22:01 PM
I can see Gerard's reasoning but still a bit of a surprise, hopefully being captain will improve SJM's game.Having Kamara behind will improve SJM's game.
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on July 27, 2022, 06:25:12 PM
I don't think Mings was great Captain material, not vocal enough and too accepting of referees going against us.
Not vocal enough, really?
Post by: OCD on July 27, 2022, 06:25:23 PM
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2022, 06:28:51 PM
I don't think Mings was great Captain material, not vocal enough and too accepting of referees going against us.
Not vocal enough, really?
Yeah, bit odd really. He's very vocal.
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2022, 06:32:53 PM
Post by: jwarry on July 27, 2022, 06:35:05 PM
Feel a bit for Mings, but I remember saying on here around the time he first got the captaincy that I thought it might hinder his game slightly. Club Captain would have been a better call instead of Young. Pleased for McGinn though.
Or maybe Gerrard doesn’t think he should be a regular starter?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 27, 2022, 06:36:02 PM
I can see Gerard's reasoning but still a bit of a surprise, hopefully being captain will improve SJM's game.
Apparently being captain has the opposite effect.
Post by: pelty on July 27, 2022, 06:36:06 PM
Post by: Risso on July 27, 2022, 06:36:50 PM
Feel a bit for Mings, but I remember saying on here around the time he first got the captaincy that I thought it might hinder his game slightly. Club Captain would have been a better call instead of Young.
Club captain tends to be the older, wiser professional though. It would also have probably been seen as a bit of a token effort to give him that after taking the captaincy off him, like being made hall monitor after being head boy.
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2022, 06:37:46 PM
Feel a bit for Mings, but I remember saying on here around the time he first got the captaincy that I thought it might hinder his game slightly. Club Captain would have been a better call instead of Young. Pleased for McGinn though.
Or maybe Gerrard doesn’t think he should be a regular starter?
It does look that way possibly but we'll see. If it improves his game then fair enough.
Post by: PeterWithe on July 27, 2022, 06:38:30 PM
Apologies in advance for my ignorance, but what does the Club Captain role filled by Young do exactly?
It appears to be pretty much a ceremonial role given to the most experienced bloke who isn't rocking the boat.
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 06:39:28 PM
Its like the Father of House of CommonsApologies in advance for my ignorance, but what does the Club Captain role filled by Young do exactly?
It appears to be pretty much a ceremonial role given to the most experienced bloke who isn't rocking the boat.
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2022, 06:40:03 PM
Feel a bit for Mings, but I remember saying on here around the time he first got the captaincy that I thought it might hinder his game slightly. Club Captain would have been a better call instead of Young.
Club captain tends to be the older, wiser professional though. It would would have probably been seen as a bit of a token effort to give him that after taking the captaincy off him, like being made hall monitor after being head boy.
I suppose and it's a role he could always move into once Young retires, if he's still here that is.
Post by: London Villan on July 27, 2022, 06:42:42 PM
Post by: Flin5tone on July 27, 2022, 06:51:30 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 27, 2022, 06:54:30 PM
Surprised by this, as i dont know if SJM will even be a regular starter, unless Gerrard has a new formation up his sleeve that works.
That’s the thing, he is captain now so will start every game if available.
Post by: UK Redsox on July 27, 2022, 06:54:33 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 27, 2022, 06:55:17 PM
Seems a pointless and unnecessary snub to Mings for me.
Or it shows that this is Gerrard's team and nobody's place is guaranteed.
Unless you are named John McGinn. I really think this is a terrible decision and could have team repercussions as it firmly endorses his role as being undroppable
Post by: usav on July 27, 2022, 06:56:32 PM
Absolutely baffled by this decision? Was expecting him to be a substitute next season to be honest.....VERY worrying
It is baffling, not sure about VERY worrying.
Logically, if he had already made his mind up about Mings, who else was he going to pick? Neither Ings or Watkins, as both will be interchangeable/droppable. Coutinho - not the right character. Buendia - still establishing himself. Ramsay - too young. Kamara - too new. Digne - too French (joke). Cash - about the only other person I could think of, but doesn't seem vocal enough.
I can only think McGinn was his only choice and that he won't be afraid to drop him, much in the same way he wasn't afraid to take the captaincy from Mings.
Post by: Chris Smith on July 27, 2022, 06:57:29 PM
Feel a bit for Mings, but I remember saying on here around the time he first got the captaincy that I thought it might hinder his game slightly. Club Captain would have been a better call instead of Young.
Club captain tends to be the older, wiser professional though. It would also have probably been seen as a bit of a token effort to give him that after taking the captaincy off him, like being made hall monitor after being head boy.
Yes, team captain is a role for during a game but club captain has a responsibility across the whole squad.
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2022, 07:01:57 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 27, 2022, 07:02:45 PM
Seems a pointless and unnecessary snub to Mings for me.
Or it shows that this is Gerrard's team and nobody's place is guaranteed.
Unless you are named John McGinn. I really think this is a terrible decision and could have team repercussions as it firmly endorses his role as being undroppable
Philippe Coutinho says hello, as does Ollie Watkins.
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 27, 2022, 07:08:17 PM
Post by: Ian. on July 27, 2022, 07:09:34 PM
I also still have faith that McGinn will get back to a more consistent force for us.
Post by: Flin5tone on July 27, 2022, 07:10:32 PM
Absolutely baffled by this decision? Was expecting him to be a substitute next season to be honest.....VERY worrying
It is baffling, not sure about VERY worrying.
Logically, if he had already made his mind up about Mings, who else was he going to pick? Neither Ings or Watkins, as both will be interchangeable/droppable. Coutinho - not the right character. Buendia - still establishing himself. Ramsay - too young. Kamara - too new. Digne - too French (joke). Cash - about the only other person I could think of, but doesn't seem vocal enough.
I can only think McGinn was his only choice and that he won't be afraid to drop him, much in the same way he wasn't afraid to take the captaincy from Mings.
You've said it all , we don't have enough true leaders , if anyone thinks things are going to improve next season then they're in for a shock , mcginn will be undropable and we struggle for goals plus a few unhappy players in the camp.
I would have just given Martinez the captaincy, if vice needed then choose on the day with A.Young given the Club Captain role
I'm fuming
Post by: BC Villain on July 27, 2022, 07:15:12 PM
Just because someone’s captain, it doesn’t mean they are guaranteed a game if they aren’t performing. Personally, I couldn’t care who it is and it’s not as big a deal as it used to be.
This is true. I’ll add, Mings will behave like a captain in any case just like when Grealish was captain.
By breaking lockdown regulations and getting pissed behind the wheel? I hope not
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on July 27, 2022, 07:16:53 PM
Don't get me wrong McGinn's a good character and very funny, but captain material? I'd suggest our manager has sat out in the heatwave far too long, but he was pondering this with 5-10 games remaining last season. No wonder our form suffered and we couldn't win against anybody in the top 8!
In all the time I've watched McGinn I've never seen him take charge of any situation on the pitch, as a captain might. He may yet surprise me!
As regards Mings, a class statement, one you'd expect a proper captain to make.
We've got captain McGinn, super captain McGinn...
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2022, 07:17:53 PM
I'm fuming
Isn't that just your default mode though?
Post by: Smithy on July 27, 2022, 07:22:53 PM
Martinez is vice captain, Ashley Young is club captain.
Wonder what this means for Mings?
Martinez being vice-captain gives gerrard scope to drop McGinn. I think he likes having an outfield player as his captain, but we literally have no one who you could say is a guaranteed starter who is also captain material. I would imagine we’ll see Martinez as the on field captain a reasonable amount this season… it takes away all the uncertainty when meatball isn’t on the pitch, because barring injury, Emi definitely will be…
Post by: Smithy on July 27, 2022, 07:24:56 PM
I'm fuming
Isn't that just your default mode though?
😂 Triple F. Fumin’ Fred
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 07:27:14 PM
Not convinced by that - if you want Martinez as captain, you make him captain. McGinn, barring injury or things going to sh*t will start at least 35 games next seasonMartinez is vice captain, Ashley Young is club captain.
Wonder what this means for Mings?
Martinez being vice-captain gives gerrard scope to drop McGinn. I think he likes having an outfield player as his captain, but we literally have no one who you could say is a guaranteed starter who is also captain material. I would imagine we’ll see Martinez as the on field captain a reasonable amount this season… it takes away all the uncertainty when meatball isn’t on the pitch, because barring injury, Emi definitely will be…
Post by: eamonn on July 27, 2022, 07:28:14 PM
Post by: Drummond on July 27, 2022, 07:33:08 PM
Absolutely baffled by this decision? Was expecting him to be a substitute next season to be honest.....VERY worrying
It is baffling, not sure about VERY worrying.
Logically, if he had already made his mind up about Mings, who else was he going to pick? Neither Ings or Watkins, as both will be interchangeable/droppable. Coutinho - not the right character. Buendia - still establishing himself. Ramsay - too young. Kamara - too new. Digne - too French (joke). Cash - about the only other person I could think of, but doesn't seem vocal enough.
I can only think McGinn was his only choice and that he won't be afraid to drop him, much in the same way he wasn't afraid to take the captaincy from Mings.
You've said it all , we don't have enough true leaders , if anyone thinks things are going to improve next season then they're in for a shock , mcginn will be undropable and we struggle for goals plus a few unhappy players in the camp.
I would have just given Martinez the captaincy, if vice needed then choose on the day with A.Young given the Club Captain role
I'm fuming
U ok Hun? Sorry Branch?
Post by: Ian. on July 27, 2022, 07:40:02 PM
I'm fuming
Isn't that just your default mode though?
It’s a disgrace Dave, absolute disgrace.
Post by: colin69 on July 27, 2022, 07:44:40 PM
Post by: Ian. on July 27, 2022, 07:51:48 PM
Post by: Malandro on July 27, 2022, 07:55:22 PM
Mings was one our best players last season, he wasn’t shit?
I thought he had a terrible season, not the only one. Unless he improves dramatically, I think he will be replaced.
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 27, 2022, 07:55:45 PM
My worry is that signals that we are going to set up as last season with SJM in no mans land and Mings and Watkins up front.Or worse, Ings and Watkins
This is whats giving me the sinking feeling - that this season will just be a re-run of last one
McGinn is a good player - if used right - I dont think that the way that SG wants his team to play suits his strengths. Having Kamara may help, but to me he is SGM is worse than Luiz and Ramsey
I think your over thinking the impact this will have on the whole season. There are far too many unknowables at the moment, what the first day team will be, although easier to guess now, will the new players settle, will Coutinhio pull up trees…or not, will Bailey been like a new player etc etc. i dont think it sensible to start worrying what the whole season will be because McGinn is a favourite of the manager.
I do think an earlier poster had called this in thats its probably just as much about Mings not having an automatic place in the team.
Post by: Steve67 on July 27, 2022, 08:00:01 PM
Post by: boozey182 on July 27, 2022, 08:01:32 PM
McGinn is a well-liked and established member of the squad. I don't think that him being captain makes him undroppable, but it does suggest that he is going to be in the team to start the season. As a team, we looked at our best last season when we were pressing high up the pitch - for that you need tenacity and energy which McGinn has in abundance. He hasn't been good enough in possession recently, but I think he has been playing too deep - we need him to be making runs in the opposition half - getting in behind the opposition. Not receiving it on the halfway line with 10 players between him and the goal. We forget that in our first season up, McGinn was our most prominent goal threat before he got injured (which is when our form really nose-dived). He was at his best popping up in the box - that's what we need to get him doing again.
His energy and willingness to run should complement the subtlety of Buendia and Coutinho. He should be running to create space and options for them, and to support whoever is playing upfront. I would imagine that is the thinking behind his inclusion in the team.
Kamara will barely cross the halfway line. He'll sit in and spray the ball about, leaving the rest of the midfield to buzz around - finding space and forcing the opposition onto the back foot. That's what McGinn's job will be, which is slightly different to what he had to do last season - often finding himself covering for the full backs which was a ludicrous tactic.
As for Tyrone, I can see the sense there too. I think he always tried to do too much - taking more responsibility than he should have. Hopefully this will ease the burden on him and he can focus on just doing what needs to be done. He seems to have taken it very well, which is no less than I would expect from him. Captain or not, he's a credit to the club.
Post by: colin69 on July 27, 2022, 08:10:45 PM
Mings was one our best players last season, he wasn’t shit?Who said he was shit?
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 27, 2022, 08:16:24 PM
I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.
He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.
I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.
Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.
Post by: Risso on July 27, 2022, 08:20:39 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on July 27, 2022, 08:23:12 PM
I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.
He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.
I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.
Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.
If he was upsetting the Tories it would be an argument for keeping him as captain. However, I don’t believe it’s an issue at all.
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 27, 2022, 08:29:14 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 27, 2022, 08:30:44 PM
Post by: AGRIPPA on July 27, 2022, 08:31:12 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 27, 2022, 08:32:17 PM
I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.
He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.
I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.
Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.
I honestly think Mings will push to leave if he's on bench for early games. I imagine after today's decision he now knows which way the wind is blowing on team selection.
He's still fighting to make world cup squad and won't be doing that stuck on our bench.
Not sure how long is left on his deal but could be a deadline day departure now.
Post by: boozey182 on July 27, 2022, 08:40:53 PM
To all those saying that McGinn will now play further up the pitch with the addition on Kamara….this again leaves a massive gap between the defence (and Kamara) and the forwards and all our attacking midfielders……really struggling to see the logic in all of this…
From the few pre-season games that I've seen, it's almost looked like we've played a 5-5 formation out of possession. Pressing with the front three and two midfielders, and if the opposition beat that, there are five players back to halt the progress while the others get back. I'm not saying that's how I want us to play, but I think McGinn is going to be integral in pressing the opposition further up the pitch next season.
When we have possession, we have three at the back - Kamara and the two CB's. Not seen enough to work out precisely what the plan is, but it involves the full backs bombing on. The others presumably have some instructions as well, but I'll be damned if I can work out what they are...
Post by: Ian. on July 27, 2022, 08:43:44 PM
Mings was one our best players last season, he wasn’t shit?Who said he was shit?
I thought you did?
I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.
Or did you mean Shit hot?
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 27, 2022, 08:44:59 PM
I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.
He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.
I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.
Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.
Eloquent intelligent black man, speaks out against racism and at times this ultra right wing Tory party, and this is ‘divisive’. If Mings offends some people I’m glad, the worlds a better place for his sort of divisiveness.
Tye captaincy i would guess is based on a number of factors and i would hope this is not one of them.
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 27, 2022, 08:45:04 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 27, 2022, 08:45:44 PM
To all those saying that McGinn will now play further up the pitch with the addition on Kamara….this again leaves a massive gap between the defence (and Kamara) and the forwards and all our attacking midfielders……really struggling to see the logic in all of this…
Kamara-Luiz-McGinn seems logical in theory.
However how on earth are we going to keep all the final third players happy as we're overloaded in those areas now. Just playing a few of them in league cup v likes of Barrow isn't going to be enough.
Ramsey should also be starting over McGinn anyway as he's younger, bigger goal threat, links up much better with Coutinho and well is just better than SJM these days.
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 27, 2022, 08:49:13 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on July 27, 2022, 09:03:15 PM
Agree with this, the country would be in a much better place with more people like Mings, and fewer idiots moaning about foreigners whilst dribbling into the Sun newspaper.I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.
He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.
I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.
Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.
Eloquent intelligent black man, speaks out against racism and at times this ultra right wing Tory party, and this is ‘divisive’. If Mings offends some people I’m glad, the worlds a better place for his sort of divisiveness.
Tye captaincy i would guess is based on a number of factors and i would hope this is not one of them.
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 09:07:01 PM
Agreed - always very proud to have him as a Villa player and Captain. Think hes our most natural leader, and just a great (and ridclously handsome) human being . Hopefully he'll still lead and be vocal, and Mcginn finds an extra gear like Grealish did as captain.I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.
He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.
I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.
Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.
Eloquent intelligent black man, speaks out against racism and at times this ultra right wing Tory party, and this is ‘divisive’. If Mings offends some people I’m glad, the worlds a better place for his sort of divisiveness.
Tye captaincy i would guess is based on a number of factors and i would hope this is not one of them.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 27, 2022, 09:17:07 PM
Agree with this, the country would be in a much better place with more people like Mings, and fewer idiots moaning about foreigners whilst dribbling into the Sun newspaper.I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.
He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.
I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.
Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.
Eloquent intelligent black man, speaks out against racism and at times this ultra right wing Tory party, and this is ‘divisive’. If Mings offends some people I’m glad, the worlds a better place for his sort of divisiveness.
Tye captaincy i would guess is based on a number of factors and i would hope this is not one of them.
Well said 100% spot on
Post by: PhilVill on July 27, 2022, 09:18:08 PM
Post by: colin69 on July 27, 2022, 09:19:14 PM
No I said he’s been shit on, (by SG). I am a big fan of Mings and don’t think he should have had the armband taken off him.Mings was one our best players last season, he wasn’t shit?Who said he was shit?
I thought you did?I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.
Or did you mean Shit hot?
Looks to me like SG clearly doesn’t rate him.
Post by: CT Villan on July 27, 2022, 09:27:14 PM
Post by: Olof's Beard on July 27, 2022, 09:33:19 PM
It does seem like an unnecessary kick in the teeth to me, he's done very little wrong yet being dropped by England and now very publicly stripped of the Villa captaincy. I'd say it's very likely that Chambers will partner Carlos at the back vs Bournemouth now. Mings and Konsa have been a great partnership for us for the most part. Football moves quickly sometimes.
Post by: john e on July 27, 2022, 09:36:37 PM
Post by: Beard82 on July 27, 2022, 09:42:28 PM
If you're looking for the obvious leader in the squad, it's Tyrone. Whatever you think of his playing ability, he has every attribute you'd want from a Captain both on and off the pitch. When we were on the Championship, I sat on the front row near the Holte vs Millwall at home and Mings didn't shut up the whole game. He's vocal, utterly professional and eloquent when he speaks.Yeah - I think Mings and Konsa have struggled from having a disfunctional midfield ahead of them. Both are poor on the ball, but very good defensively.
It does seem like an unnecessary kick in the teeth to me, he's done very little wrong yet being dropped by England and now very publicly stripped of the Villa captaincy. I'd say it's very likely that Chambers will partner Carlos at the back vs Bournemouth now. Mings and Konsa have been a great partnership for us for the most part. Football moves quickly sometimes.
I cant understand how McGinn has done less wrong, they seem very similar to me in terms of ability and mistakes but Mings seems a much more natural leader. Dont think either suit the way SG wants to play tbh.
For me its less about Mings or McGinn and more that it signals what SG has taken from his time in charge.
I think its the wrong call, but it is what it is. Wasnt convinced when Grealish was made captain, but it was the right call - so well see.
Post by: Ian. on July 27, 2022, 09:43:49 PM
No I said he’s been shit on, (by SG). I am a big fan of Mings and don’t think he should have had the armband taken off him.Mings was one our best players last season, he wasn’t shit?Who said he was shit?
I thought you did?I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.
Or did you mean Shit hot?
Looks to me like SG clearly doesn’t rate him.
Sorry Colin, I get you now.
I just think with the way we play, actually how most teams play out from the back, you need defenders more comfortable on the ball and Chambers and Carlos may fit that role much better than Mings.
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2022, 09:46:34 PM
It might be a great decision, I can't see a scenario where we're looking back on it as a terrible one.
Post by: Gareth on July 27, 2022, 10:18:03 PM
Not sure being captain makes you undroppable…hopefully it makes him step up his levels & likewise the lack of captaincy let’s Mings concentrate more.
Not a meltdown decision for me…just a fairly logical one
Post by: Richard on July 27, 2022, 10:25:28 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 27, 2022, 10:30:54 PM
'Ultra right wing' tory party?!? Jesus, how times and brains have changed. Its probably the most centre left the tories have ever been. I did a politics degree in late 80's and early 90's, now that was when the tories were right wing.
Fucking hell. Did you go to the University of Fulchester?
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 27, 2022, 10:42:19 PM
I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.
He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.
I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.
Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.
Eloquent intelligent black man, speaks out against racism and at times this ultra right wing Tory party, and this is ‘divisive’. If Mings offends some people I’m glad, the worlds a better place for his sort of divisiveness.
Tye captaincy i would guess is based on a number of factors and i would hope this is not one of them.
To call the Tory party 'ultra right wing' is patently absurd. In their current incarnation they are centre left.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 27, 2022, 10:44:45 PM
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2022, 10:59:12 PM
If you'd all be so kind.
Post by: Rory on July 27, 2022, 11:04:47 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 27, 2022, 11:11:12 PM
I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.
He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.
I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.
Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.
Eloquent intelligent black man, speaks out against racism and at times this ultra right wing Tory party, and this is ‘divisive’. If Mings offends some people I’m glad, the worlds a better place for his sort of divisiveness.
Tye captaincy i would guess is based on a number of factors and i would hope this is not one of them.
To call the Tory party 'ultra right wing' is patently absurd. In their current incarnation they are centre left.
You may not think they are ultra right wing but to suggest they are centre left is frankly ridiculous.
Edit: Sorry Dave, I should have read on first. I'll zip it.
Post by: brontebilly on July 27, 2022, 11:39:47 PM
Mings was one our best players last season, he wasn’t shit?
I thought he had a terrible season, not the only one. Unless he improves dramatically, I think he will be replaced.
Have never been a huge fan of Mings as a player (his unease on his right side is the cause of most of his errors) but thought he was solid in the main last season (his best by far for us in the top division). Smith made a ridiculous decision to drop him at a crucial time. Id always have rated Konsa a better defender but he had a horrible run of form towards the end of the season. Mings wasnt brilliant but solid in the main in a team of very inconsistent players throughout. Arguably the biggest underperformer from all the consistent starters was McGinn.
Very strange logic from Gerrard. I dont think McGinn is good enough frankly to play in a midfield three, passing is rubbish from deep and again very weak turning onto his right side facing our goal. Technically, Luiz, Ramsey and Sanson are all better footballers but McGinn does have a bit more bite about him than those three.
Id like to see him further up the pitch like for Scotland ideally but we already have Coutinho and Buendia getting in each other's way and also trying to fit a mix of Bailey, Ings, Watkins into a cohesive unit. Muddled.
Post by: Beard82 on July 28, 2022, 12:25:39 AM
Good summary and reasoningMings was one our best players last season, he wasn’t shit?
I thought he had a terrible season, not the only one. Unless he improves dramatically, I think he will be replaced.
Have never been a huge fan of Mings as a player (his unease on his right side is the cause of most of his errors) but thought he was solid in the main last season (his best by far for us in the top division). Smith made a ridiculous decision to drop him at a crucial time. Id always have rated Konsa a better defender but he had a horrible run of form towards the end of the season. Mings wasnt brilliant but solid in the main in a team of very inconsistent players throughout. Arguably the biggest underperformer from all the consistent starters was McGinn.
Very strange logic from Gerrard. I dont think McGinn is good enough frankly to play in a midfield three, passing is rubbish from deep and again very weak turning onto his right side facing our goal. Technically, Luiz, Ramsey and Sanson are all better footballers but McGinn does have a bit more bite about him than those three.
Id like to see him further up the pitch like for Scotland ideally but we already have Coutinho and Buendia getting in each other's way and also trying to fit a mix of Bailey, Ings, Watkins into a cohesive unit. Muddled.
Post by: aj2k77 on July 28, 2022, 01:04:07 AM
I do think Mings has been shit on to be honest, but I guess we will have to wait and see how McGinn takes to the role.
He will spend as much time on the bench as off it this season, as Chambers is a better player.
I also think he is a bit too divisive to be captain. Whilst many may appreciate his anti-tory rants, half the country and a large part of our fanbase don't. I think you need someone 1. mostly starting games. 2. Leader on the pitch. 3. Not controversial. Keep the headlines for the football skills.
Last good captain we had was probably Petrov. Not convinced McGinn should be a certain starter, but am hoping he is better with a more solid set of players behind him this season.
Eloquent intelligent black man, speaks out against racism and at times this ultra right wing Tory party, and this is ‘divisive’. If Mings offends some people I’m glad, the worlds a better place for his sort of divisiveness.
Tye captaincy i would guess is based on a number of factors and i would hope this is not one of them.
To call the Tory party 'ultra right wing' is patently absurd. In their current incarnation they are centre left.
Centre left? Have you borrowed Richard Pryor's crack?
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Post by: RamboandBruno on July 28, 2022, 03:51:13 AM
'Ultra right wing' tory party?!? Jesus, how times and brains have changed. Its probably the most centre left the tories have ever been. I did a politics degree in late 80's and early 90's, now that was when the tories were right wing.
Im unfortunately old enough to have lived through Thatcher and the country is still feeling the scars of her. But if you think this lot aren’t as right wing as her Governments your really not sitting up and taking notice. Horrendous benefit cuts, looking for their ‘war’ with working people by purposely antagonising the unions, privatising the school system, dismantling the NHS, the list is endless, but its for another thread.
Post by: Rory on July 28, 2022, 04:24:38 AM
'Ultra right wing' tory party?!? Jesus, how times and brains have changed. Its probably the most centre left the tories have ever been. I did a politics degree in late 80's and early 90's, now that was when the tories were right wing.
Im unfortunately old enough to have lived through Thatcher and the country is still feeling the scars of her. But if you think this lot aren’t as right wing as her Governments your really not sitting up and taking notice. Horrendous benefit cuts, looking for their ‘war’ with working people by purposely antagonising the unions, privatising the school system, dismantling the NHS, the list is endless, but its for another thread.
Yeah, no disrespect to anyone in particular, the articulate right wingers on this forum contribute a hell of a lot, but the dodgy types often appear in the football threads.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 28, 2022, 07:28:38 AM
On the evidence of the matches in Australia I'd have said he's a problem, mostly because he is so one-footed. The play slows or breaks down when he gets the ball as he often receives it with his back to opposition and has to manoeuvre himself into a position to use his left foot. I thought we looked way more fluid and attacking when the play went through Luiz and Sanson. If we want a stocky little wasp-in-a-bottle type player on the field, Buendia is a better bet.
On the money there - Buendia is a fiery little character in a similar vein to McGinn, just with the ability to make THAT pass. McGinn should be nowhere near that starting eleven on the basis of his performances the past couple of seasons, when we have better options that would make him second choice (at best).
I'll trust Gerrard's judgement for now, but if the argument for stripping Mings was that the captaincy hindered his game, what the fuck is it going to do to McGinn?! The second coming of Danny Drinkwater anyone??
Hopefully it works, but I can prempt the same error prone, frustrating displays this season as we have seen the past few. Only difference is that now Gerrard has made him captain, he will have to stick to his guns to save face. McGinn seemed undroppable before - he's pretty much etched in the Villa Park turf now.
Post by: Proposition Joe on July 28, 2022, 08:09:48 AM
I worry what this does for our attacking play. The 433 just does not create chances in open play. And with McGinn nailed on to start I guess that means no Buendia and Coutinho starting together either.
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 28, 2022, 09:37:55 AM
On the evidence of the matches in Australia I'd have said he's a problem, mostly because he is so one-footed. The play slows or breaks down when he gets the ball as he often receives it with his back to opposition and has to manoeuvre himself into a position to use his left foot. I thought we looked way more fluid and attacking when the play went through Luiz and Sanson. If we want a stocky little wasp-in-a-bottle type player on the field, Buendia is a better bet.Love that description.
I also thought Luiz and Sanson looked very good. And I love Buendia, I really think we need to find a way to get him in the team.
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Post by: Chris Smith on July 28, 2022, 10:37:56 AM
I think you just have to respect the manager’s decision on this one. He’s the one around the players all the time so will presumably understand the dynamic on the squad to a far greater extent than we do.
Post by: Steve kirk on July 28, 2022, 11:01:17 AM
Hmm, I was thinking if we were to progress this season then McGinn wouldn't be a starter, replaced by someone with more technique and control. So now he's captain, he's starting every game, unless Gerrard does a Deano and drops him to make a point (at the precise worst point possible).
I worry what this does for our attacking play. The 433 just does not create chances in open play. And with McGinn nailed on to start I guess that means no Buendia and Coutinho starting together either.
My thoughts entirely, we needed an upgrade on him to push towards the top 7/8, he wouldn’t be in my team never mind captain
Post by: Axl Rose on July 28, 2022, 11:04:11 AM
Hmm, I was thinking if we were to progress this season then McGinn wouldn't be a starter, replaced by someone with more technique and control. So now he's captain, he's starting every game, unless Gerrard does a Deano and drops him to make a point (at the precise worst point possible).
I worry what this does for our attacking play. The 433 just does not create chances in open play. And with McGinn nailed on to start I guess that means no Buendia and Coutinho starting together either.
My thoughts entirely, we needed an upgrade on him to push towards the top 7/8, he wouldn’t be in my team never mind captain
Same here..He might be a great captain, however.
Post by: caster troy on July 28, 2022, 11:28:26 AM
Hmm, I was thinking if we were to progress this season then McGinn wouldn't be a starter, replaced by someone with more technique and control. So now he's captain, he's starting every game, unless Gerrard does a Deano and drops him to make a point (at the precise worst point possible).
I worry what this does for our attacking play. The 433 just does not create chances in open play. And with McGinn nailed on to start I guess that means no Buendia and Coutinho starting together either.
Totally agree. I don't think it should have been taken off Mings in the first place, but if he wants to let him concentrate on his own performances the obvious choice for captain was Martinez who is on a long term deal and is one of the best in the world in his position so its hard to see a scenario where he would be dropped. McGinn is clearly a likeable character in the dressing room but as it stands he is arguably in a battle to be our third best central midfielder. He needs to improve if he wants to keep his place in the team ahead of Sanson/Luiz/Tim/new signing, but as you say if he is now undroppable we are really limiting ourselves both in terms of personnel and tactics. I reckon it is one dimensional thinking from Gerrard, he is looking for a carbon copy of himself and only seeing a combative midfielder leading the team.
Post by: john2710 on July 28, 2022, 12:01:25 PM
I love Mings but he's not a leader on the pitch, his conduct off the pitch is impeccable. McGinn sets the tempo & drive of the team. But if he doesn't perform he won't play.
Post by: rooboy316 on July 28, 2022, 12:09:29 PM
I’m also taking Gerrards comments at face value… maybe less responsibility will help Mings cut out some of the errors/lapses in concentration.
Might end up being a good decision, might not, but it’s worth trying.
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2022, 12:10:43 PM
Between Konsa, Mings and Carlos, there might be some rotation based on form. Throw Chambers into the mix as someone Gerrard clearly rates, means Mcginn may well start more games than Mings, hence being more present as skipper.
I’m also taking Gerrards comments at face value… maybe less responsibility will help Mings cut out some of the errors/lapses in concentration.
Might end up being a good decision, might not, but it’s worth trying.
I'd say McGinn makes as many mistakes as Mings does though, certainly with his passing. Being a midfielder rather than a central defender they're just not as immediately obvious.
Post by: Beard82 on July 28, 2022, 12:18:14 PM
Agreed - for much of last season our midfield was barely functional. Not the decision I would have made, but I guess at the end of the day - we have to let SG do his thing and hope he knows what hes doing.Between Konsa, Mings and Carlos, there might be some rotation based on form. Throw Chambers into the mix as someone Gerrard clearly rates, means Mcginn may well start more games than Mings, hence being more present as skipper.
I’m also taking Gerrards comments at face value… maybe less responsibility will help Mings cut out some of the errors/lapses in concentration.
Might end up being a good decision, might not, but it’s worth trying.
I'd say McGinn makes as many mistakes as Mings does though, certainly with his passing. Being a midfielder rather than a central defender they're just not as immediately obvious.
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2022, 12:28:10 PM
Henderson is the Liverpool captain but he doesn't start every game. Giving McGinn the captaincy doesn't mean he will start every game.
I love Mings but he's not a leader on the pitch, his conduct off the pitch is impeccable. McGinn sets the tempo & drive of the team. But if he doesn't perform he won't play.
The Henderson comparison doesn't really stack up. He's 32 now, and they need to manage his fitness. He still played 57 times for them in all competitions last season though.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 28, 2022, 12:29:35 PM
I love Mings but he's not a leader on the pitch
No idea how you can say this - one thing he is is a fantastic leader on the pitch.
McGinn sets the tempo & drive of the team. But if he doesn't perform he won't play.
Last season would suggest this isn't necessarily true. At times we looked desperate for McGinn or Ramsey to come out the team and Sanson was chomping at the bit, but it just never happened.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 28, 2022, 12:31:14 PM
Post by: villainabroad on July 28, 2022, 12:39:51 PM
Agreed - for much of last season our midfield was barely functional. Not the decision I would have made, but I guess at the end of the day - we have to let SG do his thing and hope he knows what hes doing.Between Konsa, Mings and Carlos, there might be some rotation based on form. Throw Chambers into the mix as someone Gerrard clearly rates, means Mcginn may well start more games than Mings, hence being more present as skipper.
I’m also taking Gerrards comments at face value… maybe less responsibility will help Mings cut out some of the errors/lapses in concentration.
Might end up being a good decision, might not, but it’s worth trying.
I'd say McGinn makes as many mistakes as Mings does though, certainly with his passing. Being a midfielder rather than a central defender they're just not as immediately obvious.
Agree with all this re McGinn too. He disappeared in a lot of games last year. Him, TM or EM could be captain on the pitch at the end of the day. Assuming Kamara will start most games in a midfield three, it looks like McGinn will too. Hmmm.
Off the pitch, TM is exactly the kind of role model you would want your club to have as club captain, so I'm surprised they've not kept him on in some capacity. A strange look for our club I think, after he was being touted widely over the last year or so.
SG has got some strange ways of managing people. Obviously he wants results on the pitch, but his comments about TM, Emi B and Matt Targett (no wonder he wanted out!) feel like they're just a bit too blunt. Though I suspect it's a fine margin between motivating someone to do better and undermining team spirit. We'll only find out with time what he succeeds in doing I suppose.
Post by: john2710 on July 28, 2022, 01:15:44 PM
A captain is not based on matchday performance, otherwise would Cash get it on his performances since Gerrard arrived?
McGinn is the best option at this point.
Post by: olaftab on July 28, 2022, 01:22:16 PM
And when Henderson was first appointed captain he was nailed on starter in every game.Henderson is the Liverpool captain but he doesn't start every game. Giving McGinn the captaincy doesn't mean he will start every game.
I love Mings but he's not a leader on the pitch, his conduct off the pitch is impeccable. McGinn sets the tempo & drive of the team. But if he doesn't perform he won't play.
The Henderson comparison doesn't really stack up. He's 32 now, and they need to manage his fitness. He still played 57 times for them in all competitions last season though.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2022, 02:07:45 PM
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Post by: Risso on July 28, 2022, 02:48:04 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2022, 02:56:27 PM
He's never going to play in a front 3 for us like he does for Scotland, because a) we've got players who are much better at that and b) we don't play the likes of Andorra and San Marino.
Without a recognized DM him and Luiz dropped way too deep and took away from their strengths. You're right we won’t be seeing exactly the Scotland McGinn, but we should be able to see an all round more productive version, and one that contributes more on the attacking side than he has the past two seasons.
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Post by: Dogtanian on July 29, 2022, 01:11:27 PM
With McGinn he’s done the opposite. He’s put the focus on him and told him all eyes are on him now, he has to step up and be the best because he’s setting the example for the rest of the team.
Post by: usav on July 29, 2022, 01:19:04 PM
In Gerrard’s interview with VillaTV he says that just because McGinn, Martinez, and Carlos have captaincy roles it doesn’t mean any of them are undroppable. He also says he’s expecting McGinn to go up a level.
Only one of those three is close to being undroppable.
Post by: Risso on July 29, 2022, 01:29:04 PM
With McGinn he’s done the opposite. He’s put the focus on him and told him all eyes are on him now, he has to step up and be the best version of himself because he’s setting the example for the rest of the team.
FTFY
Post by: brontebilly on July 29, 2022, 02:54:22 PM
Between Konsa, Mings and Carlos, there might be some rotation based on form. Throw Chambers into the mix as someone Gerrard clearly rates, means Mcginn may well start more games than Mings, hence being more present as skipper.
I’m also taking Gerrards comments at face value… maybe less responsibility will help Mings cut out some of the errors/lapses in concentration.
Might end up being a good decision, might not, but it’s worth trying.
There might be some rotation at CB but for most teams outside of European football it's not a good idea. I've always thought at CB it's about how you interact with the other CB, GK and DM. Over time you develop a good understanding as to the strengths and weaknesses in each other's game.
The likes of Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City have a huge amount of games and need to manage player workload carefully. Even then at City particularly, Guardiola isn't averse to giving likes of Stones and Ake the odd game at full back. But we don't have that luxury hence I don't think Gerrard will be able to carry Konsa, Carlos and Mings if all are fully fit. Especially now with Carlos announced already as vice captain, if Gerrard didn't see him as first choice then he wouldn't be.
I also don't buy the argument that taking the captaincy off Mings will take pressure off him. Mings wasn't captain when Grealish was with us and he was average at best for our first two seasons back. If anything the additional responsibility improved his concentration and performance levels. To give one example, he was far better defensively in the air last season than he was previously.
Post by: Gareth on July 29, 2022, 03:15:14 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on July 29, 2022, 03:18:16 PM
also gives Gerrard the option to go 3 at the back at times,
And that can never be a bad thing can it H&V ers?
Post by: Dogtanian on July 29, 2022, 03:18:55 PM
With McGinn he’s done the opposite. He’s put the focus on him and told him all eyes are on him now, he has to step up and be the best version of himself because he’s setting the example for the rest of the team.
FTFY
>:(
Post by: OCD on July 29, 2022, 05:48:22 PM
Between Konsa, Mings and Carlos, there might be some rotation based on form. Throw Chambers into the mix as someone Gerrard clearly rates, means Mcginn may well start more games than Mings, hence being more present as skipper.
I’m also taking Gerrards comments at face value… maybe less responsibility will help Mings cut out some of the errors/lapses in concentration.
Might end up being a good decision, might not, but it’s worth trying.
There might be some rotation at CB but for most teams outside of European football it's not a good idea. I've always thought at CB it's about how you interact with the other CB, GK and DM. Over time you develop a good understanding as to the strengths and weaknesses in each other's game.
The likes of Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City have a huge amount of games and need to manage player workload carefully. Even then at City particularly, Guardiola isn't averse to giving likes of Stones and Ake the odd game at full back. But we don't have that luxury hence I don't think Gerrard will be able to carry Konsa, Carlos and Mings if all are fully fit. Especially now with Carlos announced already as vice captain, if Gerrard didn't see him as first choice then he wouldn't be.
I also don't buy the argument that taking the captaincy off Mings will take pressure off him. Mings wasn't captain when Grealish was with us and he was average at best for our first two seasons back. If anything the additional responsibility improved his concentration and performance levels. To give one example, he was far better defensively in the air last season than he was previously.
In Grealish's last season we had the best defensive record we've had for some time, especially while Grealish was fit.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 29, 2022, 08:30:20 PM
Doesn’t he look a lot leaner in this picture donning the new armband?
https://twitter.com/dougellisstand/status/1553050325245988873?s=21&t=P69q7hQeCRH9V-brLob7tA
Post by: villadelph on July 29, 2022, 08:48:12 PM
We’ve got McGinn, super slim McGinn…
Doesn’t he look a lot leaner in this picture donning the new armband?
https://twitter.com/dougellisstand/status/1553050325245988873?s=21&t=P69q7hQeCRH9V-brLob7tA
Doesn't look too much different to me, but the kit looks good!
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 30, 2022, 06:58:42 AM
Between Konsa, Mings and Carlos, there might be some rotation based on form. Throw Chambers into the mix as someone Gerrard clearly rates, means Mcginn may well start more games than Mings, hence being more present as skipper.
I’m also taking Gerrards comments at face value… maybe less responsibility will help Mings cut out some of the errors/lapses in concentration.
Might end up being a good decision, might not, but it’s worth trying.
There might be some rotation at CB but for most teams outside of European football it's not a good idea. I've always thought at CB it's about how you interact with the other CB, GK and DM. Over time you develop a good understanding as to the strengths and weaknesses in each other's game.
The likes of Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City have a huge amount of games and need to manage player workload carefully. Even then at City particularly, Guardiola isn't averse to giving likes of Stones and Ake the odd game at full back. But we don't have that luxury hence I don't think Gerrard will be able to carry Konsa, Carlos and Mings if all are fully fit. Especially now with Carlos announced already as vice captain, if Gerrard didn't see him as first choice then he wouldn't be.
I also don't buy the argument that taking the captaincy off Mings will take pressure off him. Mings wasn't captain when Grealish was with us and he was average at best for our first two seasons back. If anything the additional responsibility improved his concentration and performance levels. To give one example, he was far better defensively in the air last season than he was previously.
In Grealish's last season we had the best defensive record we've had for some time, especially while Grealish was fit.
There is the endless debate about Mings, me and my son do it, where he thinks he’s average and makes too many mistakes and i think we judge him too harshly. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this, I’m sure in our second season back, didn’t we have the best defensive record outside of the top four? I just don’t see how that happens if one of that unit in Mings is ‘average at best’ during that season.
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2022, 07:59:44 AM
There is the endless debate about Mings, me and my son do it, where he thinks he’s average and makes too many mistakes and i think we judge him too harshly. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this, I’m sure in our second season back, didn’t we have the best defensive record outside of the top four? I just don’t see how that happens if one of that unit in Mings is ‘average at best’ during that season.
That stat's not right though.
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 30, 2022, 08:44:32 AM
There is the endless debate about Mings, me and my son do it, where he thinks he’s average and makes too many mistakes and i think we judge him too harshly. Whatever the rights and wrongs of this, I’m sure in our second season back, didn’t we have the best defensive record outside of the top four? I just don’t see how that happens if one of that unit in Mings is ‘average at best’ during that season.
That stat's not right though.
Ive just had a look at the final league table and five teams let in less goals than us, the top four and also spurs, who finished seventh i think. Then there was us and Brighton who let in 46. So we had the joint sixth best defence in the league. Thats still pretty good and Mings was a big part of that.
Im not saying that Mings should be starting now by the way, jurys out for me on who our best CB pairing will be. I just think it’s a bit harsh to say he’s been average at best, when in one of those seasons we had a very good defence.
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 30, 2022, 09:03:27 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on July 30, 2022, 09:16:31 AM
Post by: john e on July 30, 2022, 09:27:33 AM
He fusses around too much and for every season he’s played down at VP we have been asking him to cut the sloppiness out and he hasn’t done it so let’s face it he’s not going to
Every defender will make mistakes the problem with Mings is at least 50% of his mistakes come from his own doing to lax and not focused enough, This will or maybe has been his undoing he just never learnt
he’s never been much of a ball player so there’s nothing he can do about that really but Gerrard I think feels if we are going to be pushing for Euro football he becomes too much of a liability
Been fantastic for us so far but his lack of ball control and too many unforced errors means he can’t cut it at higher level
He’s look good for England when he sat in a back five with two holding midfielders in front protecting but that’s not the way we play
I fear the same fate for Konsa
Premiership can be ruthless at times
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2022, 09:48:07 AM
Premiership can be ruthless at times
Psssst John, it hasn't been called that for twenty years.
Post by: john e on July 30, 2022, 09:50:04 AM
Premiership can be ruthless at times
Psssst John, it hasn't been called that for twenty years.
I’m always behind the times
Post by: LeeB on July 30, 2022, 10:24:57 AM
Premiership can be ruthless at times
Psssst John, it hasn't been called that for twenty years.
I’m always behind the times
There aren't many people that can still carry off a Terry McDermott bubble perm and moustache, and neither can John, but top marks for trying.
Post by: john e on July 30, 2022, 11:41:36 AM
Premiership can be ruthless at times
Psssst John, it hasn't been called that for twenty years.
I’m always behind the times
There aren't many people that can still carry off a Terry McDermott bubble perm and moustache, and neither can John, but top marks for trying.
I did have a perm in the 80s When I was ‘with it‘
Post by: Drummond on July 30, 2022, 11:57:29 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 02, 2022, 09:05:08 PM
A player who is a jokester off the field in the locker room.
A footballer with poor discipline on the field who frequently receives yellow cards.
And has been suspended for such.
Mings was a fan of clumsy and reckless yellow cards something that McGinn is also guilty of so no upgrade there
To be fair to his appointment JM is someone who has been at the club a while and seems committed he's a member of the club's leadership team and as a passionate and committed player the idea us supporters will be impressed with such determination .
Though his exbuerence can contributes to the cautions sometimes needless.
SJM is someone who doesn't have the same influence as Mings off the field as a passionate advocate for diversity and a role model for players who have emerged from the non-league. McGinn also lacks the winning credentials of Martinez and Young.
There's most obvious reasons to why McGinn was picked to me was his old school values of way he plays and his character of the pitch in regards to being one of the lads.
Post by: BC Villain on August 06, 2022, 04:55:49 PM
Post by: Risso on August 06, 2022, 05:21:09 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 06, 2022, 05:23:01 PM
Post by: Paul.S on August 06, 2022, 05:44:40 PM
Post by: levico on August 06, 2022, 05:50:41 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 06, 2022, 05:51:20 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2022, 05:52:01 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on August 06, 2022, 05:57:00 PM
He’s just not good enough to be a starting CM at PL level.
Based on today neither are most of his teammates in their respective positions.
Post by: brontebilly on August 06, 2022, 06:00:20 PM
He’s just not good enough to be a starting CM at PL level.
He has no chance at RCM. The logic of playing a guy who can't kick a ball with his right foot at RCM beggars belief.
Post by: Le Lapin on August 06, 2022, 08:34:01 PM
Post by: brian green on August 06, 2022, 08:41:18 PM
Post by: Le Lapin on August 06, 2022, 08:45:58 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2022, 08:46:05 PM
I think his appointment as captain was just another fuck you to Tyrone Mings from Steven Gerrard. It is all deeply personal now. All this bollocks by Gerrard saying Tyrone Mings has to "look him in the eye".
It is starting to have that somethin' ain't right feel about it.
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 06, 2022, 08:54:36 PM
It does and if it comes down to a popularity contest Gerrard may find he isn't as well liked at Villa as he might think he is.I think his appointment as captain was just another fuck you to Tyrone Mings from Steven Gerrard. It is all deeply personal now. All this bollocks by Gerrard saying Tyrone Mings has to "look him in the eye".
It is starting to have that somethin' ain't right feel about it.
Post by: London Villan on August 06, 2022, 09:02:59 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 06, 2022, 09:20:49 PM
Yes, this is the worry.I think his appointment as captain was just another fuck you to Tyrone Mings from Steven Gerrard. It is all deeply personal now. All this bollocks by Gerrard saying Tyrone Mings has to "look him in the eye".
It is starting to have that somethin' ain't right feel about it.
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2022, 09:25:26 PM
Post by: brian green on August 06, 2022, 09:27:14 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2022, 09:55:26 PM
Off the pitch he seems a likeable clown and on the pitch he's been piss poor for at least two years.
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 12:49:40 AM
He's reliable in buying cheap free kicks and giving the ball away in dangerous areas. An absolute bargain, but we need so much better.
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2022, 12:59:26 AM
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 01:03:15 AM
Post by: ROBBO on August 07, 2022, 01:48:25 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2022, 06:45:54 AM
Does anyone else sense that all is not well in the squad, the body language speaks volumes, somehow i get the feeling the manager is not well liked.There are quite a few players that are likely to be unhappy with him and it does not take long for a them and us situation to develop.
Post by: Axl Rose on August 07, 2022, 07:19:36 AM
I think it was a lazy choice of captain from Gerrard, and one that could backfire. It may have already
Post by: London Villan on August 07, 2022, 07:24:02 AM
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 08:43:47 AM
Post by: London Villan on August 07, 2022, 09:05:02 AM
When squad leaders like Mings are undermined, but the decisions aren’t getting the right results, things slide quickly.
Post by: Le Lapin on August 07, 2022, 11:07:17 AM
Post by: BC Villain on August 07, 2022, 12:46:23 PM
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 01:00:07 PM
"Disappointed with today. We'll work hard an come back stronger. Support was great"
There you go. Copy and paste lads, throw in a few emojis too.
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2022, 01:01:06 PM
Any reason we didnt hear from our new captain after yesterday's shambles?
Maybe he wasnt interviewed.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 07, 2022, 01:03:26 PM
The rest were lower!
Post by: BC Villain on August 07, 2022, 01:09:04 PM
Any reason we didnt hear from our new captain after yesterday's shambles?
Maybe he wasnt interviewed.
Maybe not by Sky or the BBC. I'd have thought the clubs own media people would have though, given his new status. Perhaps he was too busy planning his dressing room pranks for the week.
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2022, 01:13:41 PM
Any reason we didnt hear from our new captain after yesterday's shambles?
Maybe he wasnt interviewed.
Maybe not by Sky or the BBC. I'd have thought the clubs own media people would have though, given his new status. Perhaps he was too busy planning his dressing room pranks for the week.
Oh dear, what a pathetic post.
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 01:33:50 PM
Tbf to McGinn I think he was probably Villas best outfield player against Bournemouth. He made attempts to fight for the cause but he be hard pushed to get even 6.5/10
The rest were lower!
He really wasn't.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 07, 2022, 01:35:58 PM
Tbf to McGinn I think he was probably Villas best outfield player against Bournemouth. He made attempts to fight for the cause but he be hard pushed to get even 6.5/10
The rest were lower!
Kamara was way ahead of everybody. SJM did indeed put in his usual shift but we'll never see the best of him whilst those around are passengers.
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2022, 01:43:42 PM
Post by: Paul.S on August 07, 2022, 03:11:14 PM
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 07, 2022, 03:21:02 PM
Post by: Paul.S on August 07, 2022, 03:48:43 PM
Post by: brontebilly on August 07, 2022, 03:52:12 PM
Tbf to McGinn I think he was probably Villas best outfield player against Bournemouth. He made attempts to fight for the cause but he be hard pushed to get even 6.5/10
The rest were lower!
Kamara was way ahead of everybody. SJM did indeed put in his usual shift but we'll never see the best of him whilst those around are passengers.
McGinn was a passenger too. The amount of times he got caught in possession. Terrible passing from deep as per usual. Id prefer too if he stopped shooting from outside the box.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 07, 2022, 03:58:11 PM
Post by: Mister E on August 07, 2022, 04:05:57 PM
I think his appointment as captain was just another fuck you to Tyrone Mings from Steven Gerrard. It is all deeply personal now. All this bollocks by Gerrard saying Tyrone Mings has to "look him in the eye".it does seem that way, Brian.
Post by: Paul.S on August 07, 2022, 04:10:09 PM
If that’s not how we are going to play him then it’s no good him being in the team. Last season he was being played as a defensive midfielder at times and now he’s expected to be a Sid Cowans and spray the ball about. If Gerrard wants to use him like this then it won’t work.
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2022, 04:22:21 PM
Post by: Paul.S on August 07, 2022, 04:25:16 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 07, 2022, 04:37:20 PM
Wasn’t McGinn being touted as a possible target for Sky’s favourite team 12 months ago for £50m? Now I read he’s not a PL player. He didn’t have the best season last season but he wasn’t the worst player. Seems as if he’s the latest target along with Gerrard, Coutinho and Watkins.
Think it's more he just plays every single minute of every single game that's really grating on people. You can understand that principle being applied to Grealish given he could create a goal for us at any minute but McGinn's been average for ages and I don't think at this level he's had the same consistent influence since he did his ligaments v Southampton in December 2019.
I was hoping we'd sign another CM in addition to Kamara and we've have some rotation going in that area depending on opposition e.g. 5 games in a month and McGinn starts 3 of them and is left on bench for other two.
Instead as captain he'll be starting all 5 games this month, he really should've been subbed yesterday but given he's captain others got hooked instead of him.
A few also probably wanted to see Sanson get a run of starts but again McGinn's automatic presence in team means that won't happen unless there's an injury or suspension.
Gerrard has dropped a massive clanger making him captain, he really should've given the armband to Martinez if he didn't rate Mings as a starter anymore. This decision is really going to mess up our season until it gets rectified and only way that happens is changing the manager.
Post by: BC Villain on August 07, 2022, 04:59:04 PM
Any reason we didnt hear from our new captain after yesterday's shambles?
Maybe he wasnt interviewed.
Maybe not by Sky or the BBC. I'd have thought the clubs own media people would have though, given his new status. Perhaps he was too busy planning his dressing room pranks for the week.
Oh dear, what a pathetic post.
Don't see how wanting to hear the views of the newly appointed captain after a dismal performance is pathetic. I'd say its perfectly reasonable.
Mings had a disastrous 20 minute spell against Wolves that went a long way to losing the game, but he fronted up and did an interview afterwards. Not even a peep from McGinn on social media.
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2022, 05:36:44 PM
Any reason we didnt hear from our new captain after yesterday's shambles?
Maybe he wasnt interviewed.
Maybe not by Sky or the BBC. I'd have thought the clubs own media people would have though, given his new status. Perhaps he was too busy planning his dressing room pranks for the week.
Oh dear, what a pathetic post.
Don't see how wanting to hear the views of the newly appointed captain after a dismal performance is pathetic. I'd say its perfectly reasonable.
Mings had a disastrous 20 minute spell against Wolves that went a long way to losing the game, but he fronted up and did an interview afterwards. Not even a peep from McGinn on social media.
It was the 'pranks' comment which made your post pathetic. I've heard better from the Twitter youth. Sounds like you have petty grudge with him but hey, that's people for you.
Post by: Flin5tone on August 07, 2022, 05:38:52 PM
Post by: four fornicholl on August 07, 2022, 05:43:13 PM
Crapper
Post by: dorsetvillian on August 07, 2022, 05:46:31 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on August 07, 2022, 08:43:23 PM
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2022, 09:39:58 PM
He's neither one of our better players nor comes across as a leader of men. I just don't get this move.
It's a weird one, as it's not something that can be undone easily without a disastrous loss of face. I understand a new manager wanting to appoint his own captain, and especially if he thinks that the incumbent isn't playing well enough to be a guaranteed starter. But then to give it to somebody even worse is a startling lack of judgement. The problem for him though is that there aren't many stand out candidates in this team, so I think McGinn got it by being the least worst option.
Post by: rob_bridge on August 07, 2022, 09:52:57 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on August 08, 2022, 10:37:22 AM
Post by: Smithy on August 08, 2022, 10:49:35 AM
It might turn out to be a terrible appointment, but there is little reason to believe it was done for any other reason other than "he was the best candidate for the job" based on the above observations of the management team.
People were slamming Mings last season, insisting we needed an upgrade in defence, or that he had to improve. So if he's NOT the captain, who realistically could it otherwise be? Assuming you don't want a keeper as your on-field captain.
First and foremost he has to put in better performances for the team, because if he doesn't, he'll get dropped. We know he's capable of better. We've seen it. Some players need a bollocking, some players need an arm around them. Some thrive with responsibility, some shrink from it. If Gerrard thinks this is the way to get the best out of him, then great, I'm willing to give it time to see.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 08, 2022, 01:36:37 PM
For all the criticism of McGinn's appointment, and what he does and doesn't bring to the role, not one of us sees him in the changing room before and during games. Not one of us sees him on the training pitch day in day out. Not one of us watches him engaging with his teammates one-on-one when things are going well or badly.
It might turn out to be a terrible appointment, but there is little reason to believe it was done for any other reason other than "he was the best candidate for the job" based on the above observations of the management team.
Agree with this. I went through the team and no other candidates really stood out apart from Emi.
Anyway it's 4 years to the day since he signed for us. Seems much longer but another reminder that we've come a long way in a relatively short space of time.
Post by: Smithy on August 08, 2022, 02:39:19 PM
Nyland
Tuanzebe Chester Jedinak Hutton
Elmo McGinn Bjarnason Green
Grealish
Kodjia
Post by: chrisw1 on August 08, 2022, 05:41:42 PM
McGinn being Captain after his last 18 months is frankly speaking laughable. Objectively speaking.Thre's nothing objective about that comment.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 08, 2022, 05:56:41 PM
I just checked the team on his debut - blimey, we really HAVE come a long way in four years...
Nyland
Tuanzebe Chester Jedinak Hutton
Elmo McGinn Bjarnason Green
Grealish
Kodjia
We have. Our current Steve Bruce speaks very well and is enviably slender.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 08, 2022, 06:02:10 PM
I have nothing against mcginn personally its just that he is not consistently good enough at this level.
It comes to something when we will be almost hoping he has an injury or suspension just to get him out. I really hope it does not come to that.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 09, 2022, 09:11:46 AM
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2022, 09:16:35 AM
With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.Maybe he should do a daily podcast.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 09, 2022, 09:26:01 AM
With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.Maybe he should do a daily podcast.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?
Well done you for coming up with the extreme thought of the day!
Post by: Risso on August 09, 2022, 10:08:40 AM
With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?
I'm not a fan of McGinn at all, but it's been one match. And you don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Anyway, he's there to gee up the troops on the pitch, not act as a union spokesman.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2022, 10:44:30 AM
You can catch me on Radio 4With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.Maybe he should do a daily podcast.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?
Well done you for coming up with the extreme thought of the day!
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 09, 2022, 10:56:31 AM
You can catch me on Radio 4With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.Maybe he should do a daily podcast.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?
Well done you for coming up with the extreme thought of the day!
No thanks!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 09, 2022, 10:57:43 AM
With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?
I'm not a fan of McGinn at all, but it's been one match. And you don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Anyway, he's there to gee up the troops on the pitch, not act as a union spokesman.
Agreed, it's only been one game but it's refreshing to see someone accusing McGinn of not stepping up to a plate.
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 09, 2022, 11:23:14 AM
With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?
I'm not a fan of McGinn at all, but it's been one match. And you don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Anyway, he's there to gee up the troops on the pitch, not act as a union spokesman.
Agreed, it's only been one game but it's refreshing to see someone accusing McGinn of not stepping up to a plate.
Maybe it's already been emptied!
Union spokesperson uuh?
I may be doing McGinn a disservice. Maybe he's already had a chat with the boss, but he in his infinite misguided wisdom has decided not to listen.
McGinn is probably a great lad to party with, but seriously captain material no matter how many games? ...No way!
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2022, 11:30:19 AM
Not to listen to what?With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?
I'm not a fan of McGinn at all, but it's been one match. And you don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Anyway, he's there to gee up the troops on the pitch, not act as a union spokesman.
Agreed, it's only been one game but it's refreshing to see someone accusing McGinn of not stepping up to a plate.
Maybe it's already been emptied!
Union spokesperson uuh?
I may be doing McGinn a disservice. Maybe he's already had a chat with the boss, but he in his infinite misguided wisdom has decided not to listen.
McGinn is probably a great lad to party with, but seriously captain material no matter how many games? ...No way!
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2022, 01:25:15 PM
Anyone else make any sense out of the above post?Not to listen to what?With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?
I'm not a fan of McGinn at all, but it's been one match. And you don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Anyway, he's there to gee up the troops on the pitch, not act as a union spokesman.
Agreed, it's only been one game but it's refreshing to see someone accusing McGinn of not stepping up to a plate.
Maybe it's already been emptied!
Union spokesperson uuh?
I may be doing McGinn a disservice. Maybe he's already had a chat with the boss, but he in his infinite misguided wisdom has decided not to listen.
McGinn is probably a great lad to party with, but seriously captain material no matter how many games? ...No way!
No me neither
Post by: aj2k77 on August 09, 2022, 06:17:36 PM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 09, 2022, 07:05:04 PM
Anyone else make any sense out of the above post?Not to listen to what?With captaincy comes responsibility. A captain should act as some kind of bridge between the players and the coaching staff/management. So when is McGinn going to step up to the plate. Mings was supportive of him when he got given the captaincy. When is he going to return the same level of support and not just regarding Mings, but also Traore, Guilbert, Nakamba, Sanson and maybe others.
He's been very quiet as captain since last weekend's debacle or is it that he's quiet because he's just another "yes" man?
I'm not a fan of McGinn at all, but it's been one match. And you don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Anyway, he's there to gee up the troops on the pitch, not act as a union spokesman.
Agreed, it's only been one game but it's refreshing to see someone accusing McGinn of not stepping up to a plate.
Maybe it's already been emptied!
Union spokesperson uuh?
I may be doing McGinn a disservice. Maybe he's already had a chat with the boss, but he in his infinite misguided wisdom has decided not to listen.
McGinn is probably a great lad to party with, but seriously captain material no matter how many games? ...No way!
No me neither
Aah bless!
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2022, 08:24:20 PM
We need a weekly podcast from him after every weekend match telling us exactly what he is doing to put things right and a few anecdotal examples of leadership. Call it Meatball Mondays or something, but we need him to step up to the plate.As well as stepping up to the plate, he needs to grasp the nettle, act as a bridge, reach out to people, square the circle, not be in his infinite misguided wisdom because there is no I in TEAM.
Post by: KRS on August 09, 2022, 08:51:39 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on August 09, 2022, 11:34:34 PM
Post by: gpbarr on August 09, 2022, 11:40:40 PM
it was a truly woeful and abject performance from our new captain!
Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2022, 01:42:45 AM
I'm not convinced he's a player good enough to be in a top 10 side. Who's team would he get in to that finished top half last season?
Celtic and Rangers (obviously he'd only choose one of them).
Post by: KRS on August 10, 2022, 10:28:46 AM
Media loves him (Souness giving it large on TS this week) but I'm not convinced - spent most of Saturday either playing it sideways or on his arse looking at the referee, and i could not discern any leadership at all to right the wrongs that were pretty clear after 10-15 mins.Can’t remember if it was WM or TS, but their commentator at the ground said SJM was our best player against Bournemouth. They must be watching a different game to most on here.
it was a truly woeful and abject performance from our new captain!
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2022, 02:47:06 PM
Looking for a proper captain's example today. And to lead us well.
We've got McGinn!
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 20, 2022, 05:22:32 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2022, 05:23:56 PM
Changing room joker becomes undroppable captain. Looked like he was trying his best to get sent off today, too.
Post by: Axl Rose on August 20, 2022, 05:24:49 PM
Captain material my arse
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 20, 2022, 05:26:31 PM
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 20, 2022, 05:29:15 PM
Stop sugar-coating mediocre!
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2022, 05:30:36 PM
Should've been sent off today aswell which ironically might've helped as at least could've seen a different midfield structure next week.
Post by: Steve67 on August 20, 2022, 05:33:11 PM
Post by: Paul.S on August 20, 2022, 06:20:22 PM
Post by: brontebilly on August 20, 2022, 06:29:04 PM
Post by: LukeJames on August 20, 2022, 06:31:46 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2022, 06:33:13 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 20, 2022, 06:44:24 PM
Post by: Vegas on August 20, 2022, 06:53:18 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2022, 06:55:42 PM
Post by: Risso on August 20, 2022, 07:08:13 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2022, 07:19:03 PM
Unfortunately, if he wanted to take it from Mings there wasn’t an alternative. This says a lot about the squad and the lack of real leaders. Now Carlos has an injury and he’s got to play Mings so that’s backfired massively. Like a lot of us when it was announced, I just couldn’t see the logic to it.
I'd have given it to Martinez personally. A winner with Arsenal and Argentina when he broke into their teams and likes of Lloris and Schmeichel in recent seasons have captained top 6 teams. Pretty sure Casillas and Neurer were captains when their respective countries won the world cup aswell.
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2022, 07:39:43 PM
He’s fucking terrible. I’d sell him tomorrow.
I know it's all about opinions but he's not 'fucking terrible' at all. Good enough for where we want to be? Debatable. Fucking terrible? Nah.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2022, 07:41:35 PM
Unfortunately, if he wanted to take it from Mings there wasn’t an alternative. This says a lot about the squad and the lack of real leaders. Now Carlos has an injury and he’s got to play Mings so that’s backfired massively. Like a lot of us when it was announced, I just couldn’t see the logic to it.
I'd have given it to Martinez personally. A winner with Arsenal and Argentina when he broke into their teams and likes of Lloris and Schmeichel in recent seasons have captained top 6 teams. Pretty sure Casillas and Neurer were captains when their respective countries won the world cup aswell.
Yes I touted for Martinez and said that on his thread pre season.
Lloris is spurs captain. Pickford Everton captain
Kasper Schmeichel was Leicester captain.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2022, 07:44:43 PM
Thing is he's not played or given enough licence in his best position enough hereHe’s fucking terrible. I’d sell him tomorrow.
I know it's all about opinions but he's not 'fucking terrible' at all. Good enough for where we want to be? Debatable. Fucking terrible? Nah.
McGinn needs to be played further up the pitch.
Like he does for his national team
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2022, 07:46:40 PM
He’s fucking terrible. I’d sell him tomorrow.
I know it's all about opinions but he's not 'fucking terrible' at all. Good enough for where we want to be? Debatable. Fucking terrible? Nah.
He's been very poor for a long time, but is the first name on the team sheet and, somehow, the new captain.
Post by: Richard E on August 20, 2022, 07:47:19 PM
He’s fucking terrible. I’d sell him tomorrow.
The person who knows how to work the fax machine link to the FA doesn’t work Sundays.
Post by: Goldenballs on August 20, 2022, 07:49:07 PM
Shouldn't be captain, and shouldn't be a nailed on starter either.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2022, 09:24:29 PM
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 20, 2022, 10:07:26 PM
Thing is he's not played or given enough licence in his best position enough hereHe’s fucking terrible. I’d sell him tomorrow.
I know it's all about opinions but he's not 'fucking terrible' at all. Good enough for where we want to be? Debatable. Fucking terrible? Nah.
McGinn needs to be played further up the pitch.
Like he does for his national team
Further up the pitch we have Buendia, Coutinho (and Bailey), who are all better, so we don't need McGinn there either.
Post by: aj2k77 on August 20, 2022, 10:40:17 PM
Post by: Beard82 on August 20, 2022, 10:43:38 PM
I think McGinn is a massive problem and one that Gerrard has made worse by making him captain. For me he’s never kicked on beyond a lower mid table to bottom of the table player. I’m just not sure what his usp is - he doesn’t produce much in attack, he’s not a good passer, and he’s not good defensively. Him starting every week is a big problem.Yeah to me it feels like SG wanted to take the armband off Mings and he was the only person who could have it.
Post by: OzVilla on August 21, 2022, 01:07:05 AM
Need a starting upgrade so this could be the shortest official captaincy role on record.
Post by: eamonn on August 21, 2022, 02:13:30 AM
Post by: Drummond on August 21, 2022, 02:18:48 AM
He’s fucking terrible. I’d sell him tomorrow.
And yet he's our captain. What must the manager be on?
Post by: villadelph on August 21, 2022, 02:19:12 AM
13 turnovers
19 completed passes
36’ Yellow
Where’s the super gone?
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 21, 2022, 06:29:46 AM
Is he still going on the piss with Greasy?
Post by: saint13 on August 21, 2022, 07:17:57 AM
Said this for 2 years now, he's not good enough for a team who want to be top half of the division. And he ain't no captain either.
I have said the same for ages. He was an excellent signing for us at the time for the fee and where we were. Howver, he is simply not good enough for where we want to be now. He seems to be highly rated by people outside of the club, (lots of pundits) who watch him on highlight reels, (for Scotland mostly I think). My best hope for him was that we could offload him to Man Utd or Arsenal for an inflated fee, but I think that boat has long sailed.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 21, 2022, 07:20:18 AM
For all the criticism of McGinn's appointment, and what he does and doesn't bring to the role, not one of us sees him in the changing room before and during games. Not one of us sees him on the training pitch day in day out. Not one of us watches him engaging with his teammates one-on-one when things are going well or badly.
It might turn out to be a terrible appointment, but there is little reason to believe it was done for any other reason other than "he was the best candidate for the job" based on the above observations of the management team.
People were slamming Mings last season, insisting we needed an upgrade in defence, or that he had to improve. So if he's NOT the captain, who realistically could it otherwise be? Assuming you don't want a keeper as your on-field captain.
First and foremost he has to put in better performances for the team, because if he doesn't, he'll get dropped. We know he's capable of better. We've seen it.
Yes, he was great in the championship. How often in the PL? People were pointing out his bad form in our first season up, then he got injured and became the messiah.
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 21, 2022, 08:05:52 AM
Zaha has him on a string!
Look back and pre-season we were poor but not losing. Gerrard then went and upset the dressing room by giving the Scottish Mr. Blobby the armband.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 21, 2022, 08:23:29 AM
He’s fucking terrible. I’d sell him tomorrow.
Agree 100%
Post by: Risso on August 21, 2022, 02:49:45 PM
He’s fucking terrible. I’d sell him tomorrow.
And yet he's our captain. What must the manager be on?
God knows. I said it was a bad decision by Gerrard when it was announced.
Post by: rob_bridge on August 21, 2022, 02:58:24 PM
Post by: BC Villain on August 21, 2022, 04:11:01 PM
39 touches, 10 less than Emi1.
13 turnovers
19 completed passes
36’ Yellow
Where’s the super gone?
And by all accounts bolted straight down the tunnel at full-time yesterday.
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 21, 2022, 06:23:08 PM
For all the criticism of McGinn's appointment, and what he does and doesn't bring to the role, not one of us sees him in the changing room before and during games. Not one of us sees him on the training pitch day in day out. Not one of us watches him engaging with his teammates one-on-one when things are going well or badly.
It might turn out to be a terrible appointment, but there is little reason to believe it was done for any other reason other than "he was the best candidate for the job" based on the above observations of the management team.
People were slamming Mings last season, insisting we needed an upgrade in defence, or that he had to improve. So if he's NOT the captain, who realistically could it otherwise be? Assuming you don't want a keeper as your on-field captain.
First and foremost he has to put in better performances for the team, because if he doesn't, he'll get dropped. We know he's capable of better. We've seen it.
Yes, he was great in the championship. How often in the PL? People were pointing out his bad form in our first season up, then he got injured and became the messiah.
I think he was probably one of if not our best performers in those first few months of the first season back, then he got that horrible injury against Southampton. I don’t really think he’s been the same player since.
The captaincy just over complicates everything, if we do manage to get another midfielder in, it shouldn’t automatically be Ramsey that drops out, but it’ll just seem controversial ‘dropping’ the captain. If pre Carlos injury, Mings wasn’t going to be an automatic starter, it should of just gone to Martinez. Loris does fine at Spurs. It'll just be an unnecessary distraction.
Post by: Small Rodent on August 21, 2022, 06:29:28 PM
What a fan wants may be way different to what a team wants.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 21, 2022, 06:33:53 PM
It’s a tough one. What is captain material?
What a fan wants may be way different to what a team wants.
I guess it how the manager wants a player to lead.
Some shout & organise. Others lead by their performance.
McGinn doesn’t do either
Post by: Ads on August 21, 2022, 06:34:33 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 21, 2022, 06:37:55 PM
He's not played well since January in the Cup at Man United. He gives the ball away so easily.
Sometimes the ball is at his feet and he still doesn’t know where it is. Ends up bending over and going round in circles.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 21, 2022, 07:02:31 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 21, 2022, 07:48:42 PM
Let’s not rewrite things here. John McGinn has paid for himself many, many times over. He’s played some superb games for us. But as we aimed higher he has shown that he’s not at the level we need. A brilliant squad player to have but he should not be starting and not captain. I thought it might elevate him but he just doesn’t have the quality.
Football 365.
John McGinn: The grease monkey whose Aston Villa fee ‘was an absolute disgrace’
By John Nicholson
Little snippet from the article
'McGinn is the WD40 that oils the wheels of The Machine. He is the grease monkey. He is the boiler room which you stoke to deliver the goods.
While his 12 assists in the last three seasons are decent, they don’t document his role in creating the assists, often being the fourth or third pass in the move, but making the most important. There must be a deep cut stat for that – ‘expected forward progressions’, perhaps.'
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 21, 2022, 07:51:01 PM
It’s a tough one. What is captain material?
What a fan wants may be way different to what a team wants.
I guess it how the manager wants a player to lead.
Some shout & organise. Others lead by their performance.
McGinn doesn’t do either
'it seems that Steven Gerrard understands how important John is to Aston Villa, giving him the captain’s armband this season, saying: “He is universally respected, he has been around the club for a long time, the fans adore him and everyone around Bodymoor (the club’s training ground), everyone around Villa Park, have got major respect for John, his peers have, he plays with consistency, he is my type of player and that is a few reasons why I decided to go with him.”
You can’t say fairer than that, can you?
At his best, he is the fountain from which all things flow. For those of us who saw him on the way up, it’s something of a vindication.
He’ll be 30 by the end of his current contract, at which point it’d be good to see him return to Scotland. I don’t know if Celtic hold a bit of a grudge about him because their bids were rejected, but he plays the kind of football that Celtic like to play and it would be an obvious move for this excellent midfielder'
Full article
https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-mcginn-aston-villa-fee-absolute-disgrace-hibernian-scotland
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 21, 2022, 07:59:46 PM
Type of player other fans love as only see snippets
Yep funnily enough I was having the same conversation with a couple of players I play 6-a-side with tonight. Their perception was that Villa fans think he’s brilliant at everything he does.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 21, 2022, 09:43:31 PM
Thats been happening to me regards perceptions by non villa followers over this weekend in similar ways. This was in regards Gerrard leaving out Coutinho and why we obviously lost the match to Palace because of not selecting him.Type of player other fans love as only see snippets
Yep funnily enough I was having the same conversation with a couple of players I play 6-a-side with tonight. Their perception was that Villa fans think he’s brilliant at everything he does.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2022, 09:31:08 PM
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Post by: richtheholtender on August 23, 2022, 10:02:47 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 23, 2022, 10:12:48 PM
Needs a rest.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 23, 2022, 10:14:08 PM
He just seems to lack the energy he had previously, I thought we’d lose him to Liverpool who want that in their press but now, he’s lucky, very lucky, to get a game for us.
Post by: TonyD on August 23, 2022, 10:15:15 PM
Post by: Steve kirk on August 23, 2022, 10:18:43 PM
Type of player other fans love as only see snippets
This
Post by: brian green on August 23, 2022, 10:19:29 PM
Post by: richtheholtender on August 23, 2022, 10:20:02 PM
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 23, 2022, 10:41:56 PM
Post by: Risso on August 23, 2022, 10:44:43 PM
Looks lost and not capable of what he is being asked to do. The formation is hampering a number of the players.
He's a midfielder being to asked to play in midfield. If he can't manage that, he needs to be sold.
Post by: DB on August 23, 2022, 11:02:29 PM
He looks completely fucked.
Needs a rest.
It’s August.
If he is fucked, then something is wrong.
Post by: Richard on August 23, 2022, 11:06:25 PM
He looks completely fucked.
Needs a rest.
It’s August.
If he is fucked, then something is wrong.
Didn't Scotland play loads of games in June or something. Not totally excusing him, he just needs to be not starting every game, captain or not.
Post by: tomd2103 on August 23, 2022, 11:17:58 PM
Looks lost and not capable of what he is being asked to do. The formation is hampering a number of the players.
He's a midfielder being to asked to play in midfield. If he can't manage that, he needs to be sold.
He's being asked to drop in to deep areas, pick the ball up from central defenders and play out from there. No problem if you're Gordon Cowans, but he just isn't that type of player.
He was very poor for the majority of the game tonight.
Post by: AndyB6 on August 23, 2022, 11:20:39 PM
A captain needs to be a calming influence (at times) not just continually pump the ball forwards.
Post by: Villan82 on August 23, 2022, 11:25:20 PM
He has been out of sorts since then but I feel sometimes our fans are too quick to get on a player's back. He probably needs a rest but I would be confident that he can find his form again.
Post by: Mellin on August 23, 2022, 11:30:28 PM
Post by: Monty on August 23, 2022, 11:31:24 PM
There is a lot of revisionism about McGinn recently. He took to the premier-league like a duck to water in 2019 and was pretty good the following season too. When Gerrard first came in last season McGinn did well- was my man of the match in the FA cup game at Old Trafford.
He has been out of sorts since then but I feel sometimes our fans are too quick to get on a player's back. He probably needs a rest but I would be confident that he can find his form again.
I don't think we've been quick to get on his back. I don't think most people would've had him dropped for the first game of the season, for instance. I just think he's been so abject - and so noticeably below what we know he can do - that we've been left with no choice but to question his place in the team.
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2022, 11:36:44 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2022, 11:43:48 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2022, 11:59:47 PM
Yep. Remember how gutted we all were when he was injured against Brighton. He was flying. The ability is there.
I don’t think he was flying at all. I remember thinking people were too despondent considering he wasn’t playing very well. Nothing wrong with being gutted for him by the way, but I wasn’t gutted for our prospects.
Post by: LeonW on August 24, 2022, 12:19:06 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2022, 12:58:37 AM
He'll be hard to replace but right now he looks like he's ready for the knacher's yard. Cash in now as next summer, like AEG and Watkins last summer, his value will be halved or more in 12 months time.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 24, 2022, 05:31:57 AM
1.He does not look technically suited to the role he is being asked to play. ( the set up makes it very difficult)
2. physically he does not look right.
The only person that can not see that he is struggling is the Manager which is baffling.
Post by: sid1964 on August 24, 2022, 06:02:05 AM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 24, 2022, 06:59:36 AM
He looks completely fucked.
Needs a rest.
It’s August.
If he is fucked, then something is wrong.
If he started using his brains before his legs he’d not be so fucked.
Post by: Bad English on August 24, 2022, 07:53:03 AM
He looks completely fucked.But they have had a full pre-season.
Needs a rest.
Post by: brontebilly on August 24, 2022, 08:35:32 AM
2 things.
1.He does not look technically suited to the role he is being asked to play. ( the set up makes it very difficult)
2. physically he does not look right.
The only person that can not see that he is struggling is the Manager which is baffling.
The first one is the most important. He hasnt the skills to play that role. Does not want to be getting the ball on the half turn. He also doesn't play like a midfielder. Every second pass is a highly ambitious one. Felt sorry for him last night as very little was working. Missed goal chance near end was a bit of a sitter too.
Post by: nick harper on August 24, 2022, 09:11:03 AM
Maybe the burden of captaincy is too much. I think he finds the role he is being asked to play really difficult - the manager’s made things worse for him but looks like there is no choice but to hope he plays himself back into form.
Post by: LeeB on August 24, 2022, 09:14:58 AM
He seems to lack awareness and composure. Too often looks for the 'Hollywood' ball instead of simply retaining possession for the team.
A captain needs to be a calming influence (at times) not just continually pump the ball forwards.
I think you're spot on with this, it's composure that's lacking, not abillity.
I think it's something that whole team is lacking.
Post by: Mister E on August 24, 2022, 09:15:10 AM
His performance deteriorated through the game.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 24, 2022, 09:23:15 AM
This season, he seems to have gone backwards. Leggy in possession, prone to giving the ball away and struggling to have any impact further up the pitch. Not sure if anything to do with the captaincy but hope he sorts it out.
Post by: London Villan on August 24, 2022, 10:01:25 AM
Post by: aldridgeboy on August 24, 2022, 10:20:57 AM
He is out of form and needs a break. It shouldn't be a big deal to rest a player.
You're right, it shouldn't. But then he went and made him captain.
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 24, 2022, 10:54:20 AM
Tim came on and looked class. I would love to see Tim and Bouba v Spammers!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2022, 11:01:55 AM
He is out of form and needs a break. It shouldn't be a big deal to rest a player.
You're right, it shouldn't. But then he went and made him captain.
And then said it wouldn’t make him undroppable despite him getting picked every time despite looking dreadful for months.
What a mess. Was it worth all that mess with Mings to make him captain?
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 24, 2022, 11:09:01 AM
Post by: Baldy on August 24, 2022, 11:24:15 AM
Unfortunately, does not have the required quality. Lacks composure, finesse and a footballing brain. Reminds me of a 'spinning top' on speed. Too frantic. Gives away possession to often, lost the scoring touch and a dodgy tackler.
McGinn, a top bloke but alas, not what we need in the starting eleven if we are to move forward.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 24, 2022, 11:36:26 AM
Followed on from the weekend with another terrible performance last night, worst player on the pitch for me.
Tim came on and looked class. I would love to see Tim and Bouba v Spammers!
yep with Buendia Bailey and Ramsey in front and Archer up top
Post by: mrfuse on August 24, 2022, 11:55:51 AM
He is out of form and needs a break. It shouldn't be a big deal to rest a player.
You're right, it shouldn't. But then he went and made him captain.
And then said it wouldn’t make him undroppable despite him getting picked every time despite looking dreadful for months.
What a mess. Was it worth all that mess with Mings to make him captain?
Totally agree, we seem to have enough issues without Gerrard putting more pressure on himself by making McGinn captain. I think he had in mind that if McGinn lost form somewhere down the line it wouldn't be an issue dropping him. Realising now to drop him this this early makes his decision even worse.
I think this is why Gerrard being our Manager is worrying us as he should have realised that McGinn has been out of form for some time.
Post by: Drummond on August 24, 2022, 11:57:07 AM
McGinn's stats are pretty damn good though, regardless of what people may feel they see.
From one-versus-one
He has scored 3 times after 38 match days in the season 2021/2022. This makes him the number 102 scorer in the Premier League so far. His conversion rate for shots to goals is 37.
John McGinn has 4 assists after 38 match days in the season 2021/2022. With these statistics he ranks number 41 in the Premier League. He also has a total of 26 chances created. With these statistics he ranks number 36 in the Premier League.
In season 2021/2022. He has won 57 aerial duels and 176 tackles. On top of this he made a total of 14 blocks. Based on these statistics after match day 38 he ranks on number 2 in the Premier League.
He is a Midfielder - Right central in Aston Villa. Within his team of Aston Villa he is currently ranked 1 best player of his team based on our 1vs1 Index Aston Villa.
Also.... McGinn won more tackles than any other Premier League player last season and won more fouls than anyone else bar Zaha. He was the 20th biggest threat going forwards too.
In summary he's an all-round player with a great attitude.
Part of the reason Mings lost it in my view is that he was top of the Yellow Card list last season (and his partner Konsa top of the Red Card list.)
Just quoting myself because these are last season's stats.
He may be off-form right now, but the above suggest he's a decent player and surely can't be ready for the knacker's yard just yet?
Post by: Drummond on August 24, 2022, 12:16:06 PM
In the Premier League this season he's 4th for pass interceptions in the opponents half, 9th in successful tackles.
Going forward he's not faring very well....
Anyway, his stats are here https://one-versus-one.com/en/players/john-mcginn
Post by: brian green on August 24, 2022, 12:26:39 PM
Post by: aev on August 24, 2022, 12:47:40 PM
Who was it said "there are lies, damned lies and statistics"?
erm, was it J Mcginniesta?
Post by: KRS on August 24, 2022, 01:39:03 PM
Sometimes the ball is at his feet and he still doesn’t know where it is. Ends up bending over and going round in circles.As others have said, I don’t think he looks right physically (although he looked a bit trimmer in the tunnel last night), but I know exactly what you mean and I’ve thought that he may have some balance/eyesight issues the way he’s been playing. Some of the challenges he was making last night were so clumsy that he looked half cut.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 24, 2022, 01:53:01 PM
He seems to lack awareness and composure. Too often looks for the 'Hollywood' ball instead of simply retaining possession for the team.
A captain needs to be a calming influence (at times) not just continually pump the ball forwards.
Nail on head - he loses possession so often its embarrassing. His control makes Heskey look like Messi at times
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Post by: brontebilly on August 24, 2022, 05:48:13 PM
The stats back up his form. 48 passes last night, 72% accuracy. Against Palace, 28 passes at 71%. For comparison, Luiz, 52 passes at 94% accuracy.
Luiz can be quite safe in his passing though, does irk me when he doesn't turn on the ball instead playing unnecessary 1-2s with FBs and CBs and then turning. I don't mind McGinn taking occasional risks with his passes but it's far too often from deep. His shooting from distance is terrible and lately his first touch is abysmal.
If Gerrard's going to let him play his way into form, then it has to be on the left side of Kamara. Ramsey is struggling too so it's the likely change. Sanson and Nakamba (on bench v Palace but not in squad last night?) must be finished under Gerrard.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 28, 2022, 03:26:36 PM
Sounds like he lucky not to have been taken off as he's not driving the team.
Post by: Bad English on August 28, 2022, 03:27:03 PM
Post by: Drummond on August 28, 2022, 04:02:46 PM
Post by: brontebilly on August 28, 2022, 04:16:53 PM
The stats back up his form. 48 passes last night, 72% accuracy. Against Palace, 28 passes at 71%. For comparison, Luiz, 52 passes at 94% accuracy.
Luiz can be quite safe in his passing though, does irk me when he doesn't turn on the ball instead playing unnecessary 1-2s with FBs and CBs and then turning. I don't mind McGinn taking occasional risks with his passes but it's far too often from deep. His shooting from distance is terrible and lately his first touch is abysmal.
If Gerrard's going to let him play his way into form, then it has to be on the left side of Kamara. Ramsey is struggling too so it's the likely change. Sanson and Nakamba (on bench v Palace but not in squad last night?) must be finished under Gerrard.
Poor on left of three aswell. Horrific when he switched back to right of Kamara after Luiz went off. Felt sorry for him, he never asked to be captain and is getting it in the neck instead of Gerrard.
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2022, 04:41:26 PM
McGinn was decent first half but his usual shit self second half. If he ever shoots at goal again he should be fined a year’s wages..
Post by: villainabroad on August 28, 2022, 04:42:08 PM
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Post by: villainabroad on August 28, 2022, 04:47:05 PM
Having said that, if I was at the ground I'd probably be booing him too.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2022, 04:51:27 PM
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Post by: levico on August 28, 2022, 05:08:42 PM
Sell him while the greater football world thing he’s still good.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 28, 2022, 05:13:16 PM
Post by: manic-road on August 28, 2022, 05:38:27 PM
Just when I thought his performances had reached rock bottom — today topped everything. I used to really enjoy watching him play now I wince every time I see his name on the teamsheet.
Sell him while the greater football world thing he’s still good.
He was better today than last week, I thought he was ok first half today but disappeared second half.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 28, 2022, 05:40:33 PM
Just when I thought his performances had reached rock bottom — today topped everything. I used to really enjoy watching him play now I wince every time I see his name on the teamsheet.
Sell him while the greater football world thing he’s still good.
He was better today than last week, I thought he was ok first half today but disappeared second half.
Mainly because first half both teams appeared to have agreed on playing walking football. As soon as they upped the pace in tve second half we we were lost. The Luiz substitution that sent McGinn back to the right killed us and him.
Post by: olaftab on August 28, 2022, 05:43:28 PM
Doug knew it was the wrong decision too. Sat there head in his hands. We lost all balance in midfield and they attacked at will down that side once McGinn moved to the right. Ramsey nor McGinn can play in this formation, neither has the discipline or awareness. Ramsey should be the spearhead of a 3 man midfield with 2 sitting deep and 2 wide forwards feeding a striker.Yes wrong subs.Sitting in my sedate seat in the upper Witton End I normally never scream but I did today when Steven did what he did. Ramsey came on to play on the left but went awol when Rice ran through on the left and Kamara (MotM by the way) was forced to foul him and give away a dangerous free kick. And for the first time I must say I was totally disappointed with McGinn. I did not expect him to stay on the oitch in the second half.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 28, 2022, 05:47:03 PM
Just when I thought his performances had reached rock bottom — today topped everything. I used to really enjoy watching him play now I wince every time I see his name on the teamsheet.
Sell him while the greater football world thing he’s still good.
He was better today than last week, I thought he was ok first half today but disappeared second half.
Agreed. It was obvious he'd been given instructions to shut down Rice and he did just that comfortably for most of the game. His passing was very hit or miss, some great moments immediately followed by some shocking passes.
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2022, 07:27:31 PM
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Post by: LukeJames on August 28, 2022, 07:32:19 PM
I thought first ha;f he was b=very good.I agree with this... if it means what I think it does. He was decent up until the slip to put Bowrn through.
Post by: tomd2103 on August 28, 2022, 08:01:18 PM
I thought first half he was very good. We were all worried about the midfield being bullied before the game, but it didn't happen. His passing was good too. Second half, same old shit though, not helped by having Ramsey next to him. That lad has regressed alarmingly.
I agree Risso. I actually thought he looked a bit more like his old self today and was a bit sharper in general. Thought he tired as the game went in though, not helped by the fact that the formation requires him to constantly make up a considerable amount of ground to close down the opposition full-back.
He has been poor recently, but honestly didn’t think he was too bad today.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on August 28, 2022, 08:22:13 PM
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Post by: WassallVillain on August 28, 2022, 09:39:42 PM
It wasn’t a slip from where I saw it. It was a complete mistake. He had a simple nod back to a Villa man but elected to get the ball down and turned into trouble leaving us exposed to that counter.I thought first ha;f he was b=very good.I agree with this... if it means what I think it does. He was decent up until the slip to put Bowrn through.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2022, 10:33:49 PM
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2022, 10:48:22 PM
Has McGinn done a post match interview yet? I don’t recall one. I don’t even know if he wants to be captain. It certainly hasn’t elevated his game.
Don't remember seeing one. Konsa has stepped up a couple of times though.
Post by: aj2k77 on August 28, 2022, 11:06:43 PM
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Post by: villabear on August 29, 2022, 03:50:10 AM
I thought he was ok in the first half but soon tired in the second.
Tired. Four games into the season.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 29, 2022, 03:50:59 AM
see Coutinho Phil.I thought he was ok in the first half but soon tired in the second.
Tired. Four games into the season.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 29, 2022, 04:12:42 AM
Has McGinn done a post match interview yet? I don’t recall one. I don’t even know if he wants to be captain. It certainly hasn’t elevated his game.
Thought this myself. He defo seems to be ducking at the minute
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 31, 2022, 07:15:13 PM
He enjoys playing here.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 01, 2022, 02:39:46 PM
Has McGinn done a post match interview yet? I don’t recall one. I don’t even know if he wants to be captain. It certainly hasn’t elevated his game.
Thought this myself. He defo seems to be ducking at the minute
John McGinn defends Steven Gerrard after Aston Villa lose to Arsenal.
McGinn the Captain has spoken
"We were standoffish in the first half. Douglas scored a great goal and we were right back in it and then we make the same mistakes over and over again and we were punished.
It is about us as players taking responsibility and being more streetwise. We need to start getting results and we are all aware of it.
It would be a bigger problem if the effort wasn’t there. But we seem to be weak when we score a goal. It is something we need to improve if we are to take the club where we want to.
If you don’t perform you get criticism and you can either go into your shell and worry or you can puff your chest out and try to do something about it. It is not going to turn overnight.
It has nothing to do with the manager. Players are put out to do jobs and if we don’t perform those jobs it is our responsibility. Arsenal were in a similar position last season and stuck with it and got it right"
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 03, 2022, 09:13:47 PM
Post by: Risso on September 03, 2022, 09:57:29 PM
Post by: Steve67 on September 03, 2022, 10:38:30 PM
Hopefully the penny is starting to drop with Gerrard that McGinn isn't good enough to start. The midfield three looked much better when it was Ramsey, Luiz and Kamara. I'd start with that next week.
I agree, but would replace him with Dendonker to give us the extra beef. Free the others up to get forward and still give us the defensive cover.
Post by: Matt C on September 04, 2022, 12:41:04 AM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 04, 2022, 01:49:34 AM
ATM, absolutely!Hopefully the penny is starting to drop with Gerrard that McGinn isn't good enough to start. The midfield three looked much better when it was Ramsey, Luiz and Kamara. I'd start with that next week.
I agree, but would replace him with Dendonker to give us the extra beef. Free the others up to get forward and still give us the defensive cover.
For whatever reason, he's not playing like SJM.
For me he's gone from being the fulcrum of our play to being a bit of a liability!
Had Dendoncker been fit today, who would have dropped out?
SJM is the obvious choice!
Post by: Rory on September 04, 2022, 02:00:20 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 04, 2022, 08:24:40 AM
Funnily enough, I think SJM at his best would be a perfect bench player. A well-rested McGinn from a couple of years ago coming on at HT if we're lacking energy, or on 70 minutes with the brief to go forward against tired defenders, could be so effective.Agree
Post by: WarszaVillan on September 04, 2022, 10:16:40 AM
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 04, 2022, 01:55:36 PM
Post by: KevinGage on September 04, 2022, 02:05:14 PM
Dendocker playing a more disciplined midfield role will probably be the option to go when he's fit enough to come in.
Post by: Risso on September 04, 2022, 02:25:50 PM
Not using it as a defence as I think he needs to be left out but he has pretty much played non stop football for about two years now.
Aw, shame. Lots of midfielders ahve played far more games than he has. How's he going to cope if we ever do get into Europe and the latter stages of cups?
Post by: Chris Smith on September 04, 2022, 02:28:43 PM
Not using it as a defence as I think he needs to be left out but he has pretty much played non stop football for about two years now.
Aw, shame. Lots of midfielders ahve played far more games than he has. How's he going to cope if we ever do get into Europe and the latter stages of cups?
The teams playing in Europe regularly have a depth of squad that allows them to rest players ahead of big games.
Post by: Risso on September 04, 2022, 02:36:28 PM
Not using it as a defence as I think he needs to be left out but he has pretty much played non stop football for about two years now.
Aw, shame. Lots of midfielders ahve played far more games than he has. How's he going to cope if we ever do get into Europe and the latter stages of cups?
The teams playing in Europe regularly have a depth of squad that allows them to rest players ahead of big games.
Their better players still end up playing far more games/minutes than McGinn.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 04, 2022, 02:48:45 PM
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on September 04, 2022, 02:52:11 PM
Not using it as a defence as I think he needs to be left out but he has pretty much played non stop football for about two years now.
Aw, shame. Lots of midfielders ahve played far more games than he has. How's he going to cope if we ever do get into Europe and the latter stages of cups?
I don’t think he’s in too much danger of being tested on that front.
Post by: Chris Smith on September 04, 2022, 02:59:06 PM
Not using it as a defence as I think he needs to be left out but he has pretty much played non stop football for about two years now.
Aw, shame. Lots of midfielders ahve played far more games than he has. How's he going to cope if we ever do get into Europe and the latter stages of cups?
The teams playing in Europe regularly have a depth of squad that allows them to rest players ahead of big games.
Their better players still end up playing far more games/minutes than McGinn.
Yes, but they also get rested from time to give them some recovery time. If he’s been available he’s played pretty much every game for Villa and Scotland over the past 2-3 years and looks jaded to me.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 04, 2022, 03:01:32 PM
Post by: danno on September 04, 2022, 03:38:58 PM
In the previous 2 years McGinn played 92 games for club and country, de Bruyne has played 97, Foden 108, Havertz 110, Salah 119. As a few examples of players that are in teams that have regular cup runs.
Isn't the old adage that you generally work harder/run more out of possession? How often does De Bruyne for example have to tear about chasing after the ball?
Liverpool Man City etc do have high pressing styles but they only have to do it for small parts of the match, the rest of the time they dominate possession and knock it around.
Im not actually defending McGinn here, I just think playing 40 games playing for a bottom half side is tougher than playing 50 games for a champions league side. I think it's partly why players like Carrick Lampard etc careers lasted so long.
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 04, 2022, 04:02:16 PM
Post by: DB on September 04, 2022, 04:11:46 PM
Not using it as a defence as I think he needs to be left out but he has pretty much played non stop football for about two years now.
Aw, shame. Lots of midfielders ahve played far more games than he has. How's he going to cope if we ever do get into Europe and the latter stages of cups?
The teams playing in Europe regularly have a depth of squad that allows them to rest players ahead of big games.
Their better players still end up playing far more games/minutes than McGinn.
Yes, but they also get rested from time to give them some recovery time. If he’s been available he’s played pretty much every game for Villa and Scotland over the past 2-3 years and looks jaded to me.
I don't think he has ever really proved he can really do it consistently at PL level. As mentioned, good option from the bench.
Post by: Risso on September 04, 2022, 04:24:58 PM
Yes, but they also get rested from time to give them some recovery time. If he’s been available he’s played pretty much every game for Villa and Scotland over the past 2-3 years and looks jaded to me.
That just doesn't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. McGinn is "getting a rest" every midweek when other players are playing midweek European games.
Last season McGinn played 3,092 minutes in the Premier League, and 90 minutes in the FA Cup. Bruno Fernandes played 3,120 minutes in the Premier League, and 520 in the Champions League.
Post by: Ian. on September 04, 2022, 04:31:28 PM
Yes, but they also get rested from time to give them some recovery time. If he’s been available he’s played pretty much every game for Villa and Scotland over the past 2-3 years and looks jaded to me.
That just doesn't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. McGinn is "getting a rest" every midweek when other players are playing midweek European games.
Last season McGinn played 3,092 minutes in the Premier League, and 90 minutes in the FA Cup. Bruno Fernandes played 3,120 minutes in the Premier League, and 520 in the Champions League.
McGinn does have more weight to carry I suppose, actually more in his backside than Bruno weighs altogether.
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 04, 2022, 05:16:14 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on September 04, 2022, 05:24:01 PM
Yes, but they also get rested from time to give them some recovery time. If he’s been available he’s played pretty much every game for Villa and Scotland over the past 2-3 years and looks jaded to me.
That just doesn't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. McGinn is "getting a rest" every midweek when other players are playing midweek European games.
Last season McGinn played 3,092 minutes in the Premier League, and 90 minutes in the FA Cup. Bruno Fernandes played 3,120 minutes in the Premier League, and 520 in the Champions League.
That would all be valid if human beings were all physiologically and psychologically identical. To me he looks like a man who needs a break.
Post by: eamonn on September 04, 2022, 05:26:04 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on September 04, 2022, 07:06:12 PM
Does he not look to you a player whose lack of technique (i.e bum-shuffle) has been found-out?
No.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 04, 2022, 07:59:36 PM
Post by: Risso on September 04, 2022, 09:12:20 PM
That would all be valid if human beings were all physiologically and psychologically identical. To me he looks like a man who needs a break.
He's welcome to rest of the season off. If we're going to add "not fit enough" to "not good enough" he's even less use than I thought.
Post by: KRS on September 04, 2022, 09:43:22 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 05, 2022, 01:06:07 AM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 05, 2022, 01:08:50 AM
I don’t think he’s captain material in a million years. I’ve not seen him leading or coaching or coaxing or even talking to the players in one match. He is someone that just needs to be allowed to play his game. Terrible decision by the manager.
It is one of the strangest things for me, he really doesn't come across as captain material at all. He's a 'character', not a 'leader'.
Post by: rooboy316 on September 05, 2022, 02:41:05 AM
Does he not look to you a player whose lack of technique (i.e bum-shuffle) has been found-out?I've noticed this a couple of times this year. Players have been pressing him, but standing off enough that he can't engage them physically. Forces him to turn/make a decision, instead of using his ample asset.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 05, 2022, 05:51:39 PM
Has McGinn done a post match interview yet? I don’t recall one. I don’t even know if he wants to be captain. It certainly hasn’t elevated his game.
Don't remember seeing one. Konsa has stepped up a couple of times though.
Yes. And doesn’t exactly look comfortable.
https://youtu.be/OHpCFoCgJWI
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 05, 2022, 07:46:22 PM
Post by: brontebilly on September 05, 2022, 08:49:01 PM
Given how much Mings DOES come across as a captain, it looks a really poorly judged decision by Gerrard.
Replacing Carlos with Mings you could argue was a football decision until Gerrard made a complete mess of it over the summer. Making McGinn captain was the real problem, under performing senior player that's SJM I'm afraid.
If I recall correctly, Deano dropped McGinn for a game or two in the championship and he finished the season great. He only came on at St Andrews the day Grealish got hit and did well from memory. Maybe this will do the trick again, I'd like to see him further forward anyway. If/when we switch to 4231 he can compete for a spot in the three. Pressing with likes of Ramsey from the front. Not taking ball off his centre backs. 433 is not his friend.
Post by: frank on September 05, 2022, 08:50:00 PM
I’ve not seen him leading or coaching or coaxing or even talking to the players in one match.I was watching him on Saturday and I agree with you. He occasionally waved an arm, and that was it. Mings, however, was constantly shouting, gesturing and encouraging.
Post by: coreyfeldman on September 06, 2022, 10:00:06 AM
Post by: Risso on September 06, 2022, 10:02:21 AM
Post by: coreyfeldman on September 06, 2022, 10:09:28 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 06, 2022, 10:28:42 AM
Yes, but they also get rested from time to give them some recovery time. If he’s been available he’s played pretty much every game for Villa and Scotland over the past 2-3 years and looks jaded to me.
That just doesn't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. McGinn is "getting a rest" every midweek when other players are playing midweek European games.
Last season McGinn played 3,092 minutes in the Premier League, and 90 minutes in the FA Cup. Bruno Fernandes played 3,120 minutes in the Premier League, and 520 in the Champions League.
Maybe that's the difference, the players you've cited are match-fit. They play more regularly and therefore stay at Peak Fitness, whereas McGinn and the rest of our crew (who do less running overall than anyone else) just aren't fit enough.
I'd hope it's something that is being worked on behind the scenes, because we need more days like Saturday where they are running, chasing, pressing etc. all through the game. If our players can play at that intensity every week, and let's face it there's no excuse not to be, then we would be flying.
Post by: LeeB on September 06, 2022, 10:30:01 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 06, 2022, 10:30:18 AM
61% pass accuracy, that's abysmal. Goalkeepers normally do better than that, and most of their "passes" are big wellies up the pitch!
Thankfully it appears you're right on that, I'm sick of us tippy tappying it around our 6 yard box.
Post by: Risso on September 06, 2022, 10:31:41 AM
Maybe that's the difference, the players you've cited are match-fit. They play more regularly and therefore stay at Peak Fitness, whereas McGinn and the rest of our crew (who do less running overall than anyone else) just aren't fit enough.
I'd hope it's something that is being worked on behind the scenes, because we need more days like Saturday where they are running, chasing, pressing etc. all through the game. If our players can play at that intensity every week, and let's face it there's no excuse not to be, then we would be flying.
I don't think it's that to be honest. Whatever people think of their current form, you couldn't accuse Cash, Digne or Watkins of not running enough or lacking fitness. I just don't think McGinn is naturally very athletic.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 06, 2022, 10:44:37 AM
Not a single tackle and dispossessed 10 times, it sounds like he was asleep
Seems he was still chasing around after the City players the following evening, at Grealish's birthday bash.
Post by: Clampy on September 06, 2022, 10:47:46 AM
I love the guy to bits, and I still think at his best he's a great player, but we've not seen it for a long time and he needs time out of the team.
Agree with this. He's nowhere near the terrible player some posters constantly say he is.
Post by: Drummond on September 06, 2022, 11:13:49 AM
Maybe that's the difference, the players you've cited are match-fit. They play more regularly and therefore stay at Peak Fitness, whereas McGinn and the rest of our crew (who do less running overall than anyone else) just aren't fit enough.
I'd hope it's something that is being worked on behind the scenes, because we need more days like Saturday where they are running, chasing, pressing etc. all through the game. If our players can play at that intensity every week, and let's face it there's no excuse not to be, then we would be flying.
I don't think it's that to be honest. Whatever people think of their current form, you couldn't accuse Cash, Digne or Watkins of not running enough or lacking fitness. I just don't think McGinn is naturally very athletic.
That's my excuse too. But you're probably right. The whole lot of them need to be faster and get better stamina. McGinn, Ings and Coutinho all seem to be sluggish to me.
Post by: Risso on September 06, 2022, 11:25:12 AM
That's my excuse too. But you're probably right. The whole lot of them need to be faster and get better stamina. McGinn, Ings and Coutinho all seem to be sluggish to me.
I think years of serious injuries have had an effect on Ings. He's not long turned 30 but he looks more like 40 and plays like an old pro right at the end of his career. I don't think we've got a systemic problem as the players I mentioned, plus Ramsey, Buendia, Bailey and Luiz all seem perfectly fit enough. Whatever it is with McGinn though, whether fitness, confidence or whatever, he shouldn't be in the first team at the moment.
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 06, 2022, 01:49:11 PM
That's my excuse too. But you're probably right. The whole lot of them need to be faster and get better stamina. McGinn, Ings and Coutinho all seem to be sluggish to me.
I think years of serious injuries have had an effect on Ings. He's not long turned 30 but he looks more like 40 and plays like an old pro right at the end of his career. I don't think we've got a systemic problem as the players I mentioned, plus Ramsey, Buendia, Bailey and Luiz all seem perfectly fit enough. Whatever it is with McGinn though, whether fitness, confidence or whatever, he shouldn't be in the first team at the moment.
Agree. I know a different level and f opposition but id just like to see the 2019 version that never ever stopped running. Anyway, needs to be dropped now, hopefully the big calls Getard made on Saturday are the start of him being braver in his team selections.
Post by: Risso on September 06, 2022, 03:22:11 PM
Agree. I know a different level and f opposition but id just like to see the 2019 version that never ever stopped running. Anyway, needs to be dropped now, hopefully the big calls Getard made on Saturday are the start of him being braver in his team selections.
He's dropped Mings, dropped Coutinho and Buendia, now he needs to complete his "I'm the boss" Top Trumps by dropping the one player who really deserves it.
Post by: Clampy on September 06, 2022, 04:26:09 PM
Agree. I know a different level and f opposition but id just like to see the 2019 version that never ever stopped running. Anyway, needs to be dropped now, hopefully the big calls Getard made on Saturday are the start of him being braver in his team selections.
He's dropped Mings, dropped Coutinho and Buendia, now he needs to complete his "I'm the boss" Top Trumps by dropping the one player who really deserves it.
There's no pleasing you is there?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 06, 2022, 04:33:08 PM
Agree. I know a different level and f opposition but id just like to see the 2019 version that never ever stopped running. Anyway, needs to be dropped now, hopefully the big calls Getard made on Saturday are the start of him being braver in his team selections.
He's dropped Mings, dropped Coutinho and Buendia, now he needs to complete his "I'm the boss" Top Trumps by dropping the one player who really deserves it.
There's no pleasing you is there?
It is fair comment, though, isn't it?
McGinn hasn't been the player he was for a long time, but SG has put himself in an awkward position by making him captain and then feeling like he had to say that doesn't make him undroppable, when, based on matches until that point, he'd looked entirely undroppable.
I hope Gerrard puts it all right, but it's hard not to look at what has gone on and reflect that he's brought a lot of unnecessary extra stress on himself.
The bizarre way he handled Mings was even more troubling than the constant McGinn selection.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 06, 2022, 04:37:58 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 06, 2022, 04:44:01 PM
There’s nothing wrong with McGinn if he’s playing well week in, week it, then of course put him in.
It is just that when he doesn’t even have the occasional good game but keeps his place anyway, then we have to organise the whole midfield around him being there (when midfield is the part of the pitch where we have most problems).
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 06, 2022, 05:27:51 PM
Post by: usav on September 06, 2022, 05:32:12 PM
Yes I suspect, hope, that his recent subbing of McGinn is a gradual move away from him being a guaranteed starter. As you say he must be aware he got the Mings stuff wrong, so hopefully he’s realised that and this a more measured approach to ushering McGinn out.
Curious as to what people think he got wrong with Mings? He might have picked the wrong person to succeed him as captain, but taking the captaincy away was done with the right intentions as far as I can see.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 06, 2022, 05:45:30 PM
Post by: Risso on September 06, 2022, 05:50:11 PM
Agree. I know a different level and f opposition but id just like to see the 2019 version that never ever stopped running. Anyway, needs to be dropped now, hopefully the big calls Getard made on Saturday are the start of him being braver in his team selections.
He's dropped Mings, dropped Coutinho and Buendia, now he needs to complete his "I'm the boss" Top Trumps by dropping the one player who really deserves it.
There's no pleasing you is there?
I don't follow. I think he was right to drop Coutinho and Buendia as they've both been below par. I've been supportive of Gerrard so don't really know what you're talking about to be honest.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 06, 2022, 08:08:40 PM
Yes I suspect, hope, that his recent subbing of McGinn is a gradual move away from him being a guaranteed starter. As you say he must be aware he got the Mings stuff wrong, so hopefully he’s realised that and this a more measured approach to ushering McGinn out.
Curious as to what people think he got wrong with Mings? He might have picked the wrong person to succeed him as captain, but taking the captaincy away was done with the right intentions as far as I can see.
It was taking the captaincy away and then dropping him. I don’t know if they were related, but the perception was they were and it basically created a story and noise when it wasn’t needed.
Post by: eamonn on September 06, 2022, 08:49:16 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on September 06, 2022, 08:53:26 PM
Post by: brontebilly on September 06, 2022, 09:43:40 PM
Yes I suspect, hope, that his recent subbing of McGinn is a gradual move away from him being a guaranteed starter. As you say he must be aware he got the Mings stuff wrong, so hopefully he’s realised that and this a more measured approach to ushering McGinn out.
Curious as to what people think he got wrong with Mings? He might have picked the wrong person to succeed him as captain, but taking the captaincy away was done with the right intentions as far as I can see.
Making his replacement vice captain without playing a game was ridiculous. Lage handled a similar situation with Coady a lot better and with respect. Gerrard seemed to create a situation with Mings to demonstrate his authority and unsurprisingly it blew up in his face. Now he is completely reliant on him as our only LCB option.
Post by: eamonn on September 06, 2022, 09:55:10 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 06, 2022, 11:04:05 PM
https://twitter.com/Total_Villa/status/1566823477797130240?t=UjCAz7IvGB5BICQ_wIsekA&s=19
As I said after the game in response to someone somehow praising his performance, he was terrible.
Post by: Axl Rose on September 07, 2022, 03:01:31 AM
https://twitter.com/Total_Villa/status/1566823477797130240?t=UjCAz7IvGB5BICQ_wIsekA&s=19
As I said after the game in response to someone somehow praising his performance, he was terrible.
He hasn't played well for...a long time. This season he hasn't played well at all.
Post by: Scott Nielsen on September 07, 2022, 03:41:20 AM
Yes I suspect, hope, that his recent subbing of McGinn is a gradual move away from him being a guaranteed starter. As you say he must be aware he got the Mings stuff wrong, so hopefully he’s realised that and this a more measured approach to ushering McGinn out.
Curious as to what people think he got wrong with Mings? He might have picked the wrong person to succeed him as captain, but taking the captaincy away was done with the right intentions as far as I can see.
It was taking the captaincy away and then dropping him. I don’t know if they were related, but the perception was they were and it basically created a story and noise when it wasn’t needed.
I get what you are saying but that 'perception' was created by endless speculation on social media and the reaction to the 'look me in the eye'-comment I believe has been totally overblown. It's a figure of speech and Gerrard has used it before in different circumstances. Post-games, I don't see anything in the body-language between Gerrard and Mings that suggests there is a problem there.
Post by: paul_e on September 07, 2022, 06:37:48 AM
The whole topic of picking his captain has been overblown. If he'd said nothing and just had the club put out a press release about the captaincy no one would've cared particularly with a simple quote from Mings on there saying it's been an honour and good luck to the new guy.
Post by: Ian. on September 07, 2022, 06:58:36 AM
I really hope he turns this around though and has learned you need to be flexible. If he reverts back to the side and formations he’s tried since March he’s not going to last much longer.
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 07, 2022, 01:55:09 PM
New Manager changing the Captain is not a new thing - it happens a lot
Post by: paul_e on September 07, 2022, 01:58:56 PM
Gerrard has played Mings in every game that he has been fit to play in - can we let the conspiracy go now about bad blood between SG / TM
New Manager changing the Captain is not a new thing - it happens a lot
Changing captain happens all the time, but how Gerrard has gone about it made it feel like more than that, which is why people are filling the gaps.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 07, 2022, 02:02:10 PM
Post by: sid1964 on September 22, 2022, 06:46:08 AM
Play him in his proper position and he will do really well for us
Post by: Bobby Boy on September 22, 2022, 07:53:02 AM
Fantastic performance tonight and captain of his country
Play him in his proper position and he will do really well for us
Bang on. He's been getting a lot of stick on here recently but maybe it would help if he was played in a position that best used his talents. Unfortunately that is very unlikely to happen.
Post by: Ian. on September 22, 2022, 07:53:10 AM
So his contribution to the match was more suited to playing deep. Would he have the touch, control and speed of thought to play further up the pitch against better opponents?
Post by: Bobby Boy on September 22, 2022, 07:54:23 AM
There’s lots of mention about his position but in one sense, off the ball, he played very well against Southampton, he was bombing around, being a nuisance and winning the ball in midfield. His distribution was woeful though, one of the worst I’ve seen him on the ball. He also slowed the game down as he was slow to think and to move it on.
So his contribution to the match was more suited to playing deep. Would he have the touch, control and speed of thought to play further up the pitch against better opponents?
Why not give it a try?
Post by: olaftab on September 22, 2022, 08:20:51 AM
Super John McGinn
When the Tartan Army belt out their 'Super John McGinn' anthem, there is of course an element of tongue-in-cheek when it comes to the line about the Aston Villa captain being 'better than Zidane' - even if some of them believe it.
What there is no doubt about, though, is the line that comes just before it - 'he's Stevie Clarke's man'.
The former Hibernian and St Mirren midfielder is just one game away from half a century of caps. In the first of those 14 appearances under Gordon Strachan, Alex McLeish and Malky Mackay, McGinn failed to score or assist.
In the following 35 games under Clarke, the 27-year-old has had 20 goal involvements - scoring 14 and assisting six - which is 12 more than any other player.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 22, 2022, 08:54:09 AM
Post by: mallo on September 22, 2022, 09:19:09 AM
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2022, 09:33:23 AM
We're clearly using him wrongly
He's a midfielder being played as an attacking midfielder. We just don't play against teams that are as poor as Israel or the Faroe Islands. If you want to play him further forward for Villa, are you going to use him there instead of Coutinho or Buendia? Because that would be utterly insane.
Post by: London Villan on September 22, 2022, 09:44:37 AM
Where is his perfect position? Attack-minded midfielder? I can't liken him to a previous player we've had? Ian Taylor at a push maybe?
What formation would suit him? 451?
More questions than answers!
Post by: boozey182 on September 22, 2022, 09:49:23 AM
We're clearly using him wrongly
He's a midfielder being played as an attacking midfielder. We just don't play against teams that are as poor as Israel or the Faroe Islands. If you want to play him further forward for Villa, are you going to use him there instead of Coutinho or Buendia? Because that would be utterly insane.
He's not really being used as an attacking midfielder though, is he? Often his 'average position' is behind the fullbacks - it wasn't against Southampton though, admittedly. As I said in another thread, I think he could have a role to play, but on current form I wouldn't be starting him every week - because that would be utterly insane...
I would love to be able to pick different players depending on form and the opposition, and against some teams having McGinn charging around high up the pitch, both in and out of possession, would be a benefit. It could create space for Coutinho and Buendia. I would have three behind a front man, and pick any three of Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey, Ramsey, McGinn. Or even Doug or Sanson. Assess the opposition's weaknesses and pick a team to exploit them.
For example, if I was playing against Villa, I would love a player like McGinn. I'd get him to harry our back 5 or 6 every time they were on the ball, and then just wait for them to cough it up.
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2022, 10:06:20 AM
He's not really being used as an attacking midfielder though, is he? Often his 'average position' is behind the fullbacks
Name one game this season where that's been true.
He's rubbish. If we're going to buy players based on their form for Scotland, then let's go for Dykes. One goal all season for QPR in the Championship, but two last night for Scotland. 95% of international football is absolute pish.
Post by: London Villan on September 22, 2022, 10:13:19 AM
I also think there is an element of fatigue based on the amount of games he has played in the last couple of years, on top of the problems of playing him out of position.
Post by: Martyn Smith on September 22, 2022, 10:15:52 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 22, 2022, 10:22:04 AM
He's not really being used as an attacking midfielder though, is he? Often his 'average position' is behind the fullbacks
Name one game this season where that's been true.
He's rubbish. If we're going to buy players based on their form for Scotland, then let's go for Dykes. One goal all season for QPR in the Championship, but two last night for Scotland. 95% of international football is absolute pish.
Isn't it just. I reckon Villa would qualify for every tournament final stages and would have more chance of winning them than the PL at the moment.
Post by: Villafirst on September 22, 2022, 10:24:45 AM
Post by: boozey182 on September 22, 2022, 10:27:51 AM
He's not really being used as an attacking midfielder though, is he? Often his 'average position' is behind the fullbacks
Name one game this season where that's been true.
He's rubbish. If we're going to buy players based on their form for Scotland, then let's go for Dykes. One goal all season for QPR in the Championship, but two last night for Scotland. 95% of international football is absolute pish.
Fortunately for you, I am a huge fan of procrastination, so I could look into this for you. The website I was using only went back to the Bolton game, but in that time it looked like there two matches - Man City where he was behind Digne, and Arsenal where he was behind Cash and alongside (slightly ahead of) Digne. This wasn't the 'Gotcha!' that I was hoping for, but I don't think it really suggests he's being used as an attacking midfielder either. Of course, these two games were against much better opposition, so it's likely that he was naturally going to play further back.
As a retort to "He's rubbish", may I offer: "Maybe, but I think we could be using him in way that would help him and the team better. And if we don't do that, we should drop him".
Also, just to clarify, I am not advocating buying McGinn. I think that would be a chronic waste of resources. In fact, I'll go further and say that I don't think we should be buying any of our players, no matter how well they perform during the international break. Sorry if that upsets people.
Post by: LeeB on September 22, 2022, 10:29:36 AM
Post by: Ian. on September 22, 2022, 10:59:52 AM
There’s lots of mention about his position but in one sense, off the ball, he played very well against Southampton, he was bombing around, being a nuisance and winning the ball in midfield. His distribution was woeful though, one of the worst I’ve seen him on the ball. He also slowed the game down as he was slow to think and to move it on.
So his contribution to the match was more suited to playing deep. Would he have the touch, control and speed of thought to play further up the pitch against better opponents?
Why not give it a try?
I’d say because there’s better players than him in that role who are quicker thinking and more mobile and less careless with the ball and with all his faults he’s actually quite good at being a workhorse.
Post by: olaftab on September 22, 2022, 11:10:04 AM
Post by: paul_e on September 22, 2022, 12:44:38 PM
There’s lots of mention about his position but in one sense, off the ball, he played very well against Southampton, he was bombing around, being a nuisance and winning the ball in midfield. His distribution was woeful though, one of the worst I’ve seen him on the ball. He also slowed the game down as he was slow to think and to move it on.
So his contribution to the match was more suited to playing deep. Would he have the touch, control and speed of thought to play further up the pitch against better opponents?
The reason he's better higher up the pitch is that he gives the ball away trying to force things and that creates 2 problems if he's deeper, firstly it means he's giving the ball away in bad areas of the pitch and secondly if he succeeds it doesn't really amonut to anything because he's created space 40-50 yards from goal instead of on the edge of the box.
Post by: Ian. on September 22, 2022, 01:14:24 PM
There’s lots of mention about his position but in one sense, off the ball, he played very well against Southampton, he was bombing around, being a nuisance and winning the ball in midfield. His distribution was woeful though, one of the worst I’ve seen him on the ball. He also slowed the game down as he was slow to think and to move it on.
So his contribution to the match was more suited to playing deep. Would he have the touch, control and speed of thought to play further up the pitch against better opponents?
The reason he's better higher up the pitch is that he gives the ball away trying to force things and that creates 2 problems if he's deeper, firstly it means he's giving the ball away in bad areas of the pitch and secondly if he succeeds it doesn't really amonut to anything because he's created space 40-50 yards from goal instead of on the edge of the box.
I agree, however it goes back to maybe he’s a good player, but not better than who plays further upfield than him and we need better where he plays. I love him, he’s been a very good player for us but he definitely does have his limitations at this level.
Post by: Baldy on September 22, 2022, 01:18:36 PM
Try playing controlled football in that environment.
Great bloke but we will never have a decent footballing team with him in it.
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 22, 2022, 01:18:55 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 22, 2022, 01:24:17 PM
I disagree with you Baldy. I think a few top 8 teams would like him in their squad.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 22, 2022, 01:31:55 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 22, 2022, 01:40:48 PM
If we keep playing the system we have been, 3 midfielders, Dendonker or Nakamba as the 6, Kamara or Luiz as the 7 and McGinn or Ramey as the 8. In other words, Dendonker and Kamara behind McGinn with him getting licence to break forward more. The ideal 3 in front asCoutinhoBuendia, Watkins, Bailey.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 22, 2022, 01:53:15 PM
Post by: paul_e on September 22, 2022, 02:22:50 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 22, 2022, 02:48:12 PM
On the evidence this season Buendia has been far better off the bench than when he's started, for me.True, but he's only started twice.
Post by: paul_e on September 22, 2022, 03:15:55 PM
On the evidence this season Buendia has been far better off the bench than when he's started, for me.True, but he's only started twice.
I know, clearly a small sample size.
Post by: olaftab on September 23, 2022, 10:52:39 AM
Great bloke but we will never have a decent footballing team with him in it.No, that problem is somewhere else not with McGinn.
Post by: sid1964 on September 23, 2022, 12:19:14 PM
Post by: Risso on September 23, 2022, 12:28:03 PM
Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2022, 12:50:37 PM
Post by: Risso on September 23, 2022, 01:14:10 PM
For £2.5m, he's been an absolute bargain and a very good player for us and still is.
He's not a very good player for us though, currently. What was the last good game he had, Crystal Palace last season?
Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2022, 01:15:48 PM
For £2.5m, he's been an absolute bargain and a very good player for us and still is.
He's not a very good player for us though, currently. What was the last good game he had, Crystal Palace last season?
You don't like him, we get it.
Post by: Risso on September 23, 2022, 01:21:16 PM
For £2.5m, he's been an absolute bargain and a very good player for us and still is.
He's not a very good player for us though, currently. What was the last good game he had, Crystal Palace last season?
You don't like him, we get it.
I know that having a go at other posters is your favourite pastime on here, but how about having a go at answering the question instead?
Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2022, 01:25:14 PM
Post by: Risso on September 23, 2022, 01:29:47 PM
I just don't get the continuous jumping on posters who like the bloke. I think he's been an excellent signing for us and I like him a lot. Isn't that a valid enough opinion?
Where has anybody been jumped on? If you like him, then great. I just asked when he last had a great game. The last I can recall is Palace away last season.
Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2022, 01:39:21 PM
I thought he had a really good first half against Southampton. Overall, he's probably trying too hard at times and I wouldn't be too upset if he was left out now and again but I think he's been terrific for us overall.
Post by: paul_e on September 23, 2022, 02:02:20 PM
Me, Sid and Boozey have posted some kind of defence of him and you replied to all three Instead of just letting the post stand. It's not like we don't know how you feel. You tell us on a daily basis.
I thought he had a really good first half against Southampton. Overall, he's probably trying too hard at times and I wouldn't be too upset if he was left out now and again but I think he's been terrific for us overall.
Not for me, he gave away possession far too easily, his pass success was something like 55% at half time, that will never be acceptable for a centre mid. I think he's a much better player than he's showing right now but his form this season is awful and he should be nowhere near starting right now (although the Kamara injury means it's harder to leave him out).
Post by: Risso on September 23, 2022, 03:03:50 PM
Me, Sid and Boozey have posted some kind of defence of him and you replied to all three Instead of just letting the post stand. It's not like we don't know how you feel. You tell us on a daily basis.
It's a forum for discussion Clampy, that's the whole point of the board. I wasn't rude to anybody, unlike you, so if discussing things with other people offends you then feel free to use the 'ignore' feature.
Post by: Clampy on September 23, 2022, 03:49:58 PM
Me, Sid and Boozey have posted some kind of defence of him and you replied to all three Instead of just letting the post stand. It's not like we don't know how you feel. You tell us on a daily basis.
It's a forum for discussion Clampy, that's the whole point of the board. I wasn't rude to anybody, unlike you, so if discussing things with other people offends you then feel free to use the 'ignore' feature.
I can't see where I've been rude to be honest but I shall leave it there.
Post by: eamonn on September 23, 2022, 06:57:58 PM
Post by: brontebilly on September 24, 2022, 12:17:01 PM
If we move to 4-2-3-1 McGinn could definitely be an option in the advanced midfielder / 10 role, but then it's probably the best position for both Coutinho and Buendia too.
He could play inside right too, might offer a lot more than Bailey there. Pressing from the front is one of his strengths, not taking the ball from the centre backs and distributing it from deep.
Post by: brontebilly on September 24, 2022, 12:22:48 PM
We're clearly using him wrongly
He's a midfielder being played as an attacking midfielder. We just don't play against teams that are as poor as Israel or the Faroe Islands. If you want to play him further forward for Villa, are you going to use him there instead of Coutinho or Buendia? Because that would be utterly insane.
His main position in a 4231 under Smith or 433 under Gerrard was definitely not as an attacking midfielder. His best work is the opposition's third of the pitch, it's where he should be competing for a spot for us (not a guaranteed starting place).
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 24, 2022, 07:40:33 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 24, 2022, 09:15:26 PM
Compare his technique to Coutinho and Buendia (who presumably he'd be replacing) as a 10 and it's night and day.
Post by: brontebilly on September 24, 2022, 10:49:37 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on September 24, 2022, 11:14:46 PM
Had a very good second half tonight. Playing at 10. Somehow avoided a yellow card for several meaty challenges. Fortunate win for the Scots I thought.
Agreed on all 3 points.
Meatball's gonna make meaty challenges all day and twice on Saturday. Just don't make them in our defensive third is all.
Good ole meatball.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 01, 2022, 03:08:40 PM
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Post by: Bobby Boy on October 02, 2022, 06:56:32 PM
I thought he was pretty good tonight. Still playing through a bad run of form, but it was a captains performance that was epitomised with that tackle at the end.
I agree. Thought he was decent tonight. Great last ditch tackle at the end which has saved this site from going into total and complete meltdown.
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Post by: paul_e on October 02, 2022, 07:28:13 PM
Best game of the season. There was a lot of talk before the game about how good the Leeds midfield duo were. McGinn and Luiz utterly dominated them. Still would prefer him further up the pitch.
He had decent spells today but for the first half hour he was trying to force play and just gave away possession almost constantly and then in the 2nd half he had a long spell of having absolutely no impact on the game when they were down to 10 men. The game saving tackle at the end and his constant niggling of them made it look like he was a lot more productive but it's another game where his pass success is far too low for a centre mid. Giving the ball away as often as he does is just about acceptable if you're a 10 who's playing sliderule passes into the box but not for where we play him.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 02, 2022, 08:39:15 PM
Post by: paul_e on October 02, 2022, 08:43:49 PM
He was better today. It was a good run for Bailey’s cross, if Ollie had just got out of the way he might well have scored.
I think it was behind him anyway so it'd have been a very difficult chance. As seems to be the case with everything McGinn does right now he was guilty of rushing in when he needed to take a second and think. Irrelevant anyway because Watkins took the ball instead but it was a good example of where McGinn needs to drag himself down and show a bit more composure.
Post by: Risso on October 10, 2022, 11:42:43 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 10, 2022, 11:43:57 PM
Post by: brontebilly on October 10, 2022, 11:50:33 PM
What a useless fat knacker he is. Abysmal passing as per usual, and sod all else useful. Why is he still getting a game? Got nearly as much abuse as Gerrard and was booed off when subbed.
Diabolical comment. He scored the playoff winning goal and is a Villa hero for that alone, certainly no knacker anyway.
Post by: Risso on October 10, 2022, 11:52:41 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 11, 2022, 12:09:20 AM
What a useless fat knacker he is. Abysmal passing as per usual, and sod all else useful. Why is he still getting a game? Got nearly as much abuse as Gerrard and was booed off when subbed.
Diabolical comment. He scored the playoff winning goal and is a Villa hero for that alone, certainly no knacker anyway.
Risso is quite right in my books. Maybe not the way i would put it, but McGinn is a dinosaur. Specialising in yellow cards.
McGinn is merely a spirited so-and-so who any half decent European coach would not have in his team due to the scottish meatballs footballing deficiencies. A relic of a player.
Sanson is a technically superior player and an upgrade, and it is clear that Gerrard selects a captain based on basic qualities of British old school midfield play. And rewards it with captaincy. It's not right. But it's OK.
That was three and a half years ago. Did you see his abysmal attempt at a diving header in front of an open goal. Useless.
Risso explained it all in this post.
Shocking attempt to score by a very limited player.
Post by: Rory on October 11, 2022, 12:13:07 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 11, 2022, 12:19:04 AM
What a useless fat knacker he is. Abysmal passing as per usual, and sod all else useful. Why is he still getting a game? Got nearly as much abuse as Gerrard and was booed off when subbed.
He's an absolute waste of fucking space.
That diving header was one of the worst things I've seen on a pitch in a long time.
He's absolutely shit, not good enough for this level, yet is first name on the team sheet week in, week out.
Post by: brontebilly on October 11, 2022, 12:24:16 AM
That was three and a half years ago. Did you see his abysmal attempt at a diving header in front of an open goal. Useless.
We all saw it and your pathetic comment too. Criticise the player fine but unless it's someone in the McCormack, Gabby, Richards ilk, throwing slurs at them ain't on.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 11, 2022, 12:24:44 AM
You disappear for six weeks then come back and attack our captain? How dare you.Club captain Ashley Young. I showered with praise. Thank you.
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2022, 12:26:49 AM
That was three and a half years ago. Did you see his abysmal attempt at a diving header in front of an open goal. Useless.
We all saw it and your pathetic comment too. Criticise the player fine but unless it's someone in the McCormack, Gabby, Richards ilk, throwing slurs at them ain't on.
I'll be sure to take your feedback seriously and have given it to the relevant department to action.
Post by: Rory on October 11, 2022, 12:28:28 AM
You disappear for six weeks then come back and attack our captain? How dare you.Club captain Ashley Young. I showered with praise. Thank you.
To clarify, Footy, I was joking. Good to see you back.
Post by: brontebilly on October 11, 2022, 12:35:14 AM
That was three and a half years ago. Did you see his abysmal attempt at a diving header in front of an open goal. Useless.
We all saw it and your pathetic comment too. Criticise the player fine but unless it's someone in the McCormack, Gabby, Richards ilk, throwing slurs at them ain't on.
I'll be sure to take your feedback seriously and have given it to the relevant department to action.
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Post by: eamonn on October 11, 2022, 01:00:56 AM
I watched the first-half in Waxy O'Connors near Lesta Square as I had a ticket for a film at the London Film Festival. Quickly finshed a bottle of Modelo on half-time and made it for the 20.50 start. Turned my phone back on at 22:30 and just knew I hadn't missed anything in the game!
Post by: purpletrousers on October 11, 2022, 04:31:00 AM
Any clips of the McGinn header/avoid the right foot at all costs?
I watched the first-half in Waxy O'Connors near Lesta Square as I had a ticket for a film at the London Film Festival. Quickly finshed a bottle of Modelo on half-time and made it for the 20.50 start. Turned my phone back on at 22:30 and just knew I hadn't missed anything in the game!
Couldn’t see any but there is this, ‘I know, I’ll head it!” still
(https://i.ibb.co/sHHvVjj/4-FA2-BD45-5-AA7-44-BD-B9-C8-73154-AA79-E14.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sHHvVjj)
I was going to add a tweeted meme response with Gordon Ramsey losing the will to live, but instead, I’ll look forward to the Villa podcast tomorrow to see how many categories wee Johnny makes it into. http://linktr.ee/thevillapodcast
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 11, 2022, 05:47:43 AM
Any clips of the McGinn header/avoid the right foot at all costs?
I watched the first-half in Waxy O'Connors near Lesta Square as I had a ticket for a film at the London Film Festival. Quickly finshed a bottle of Modelo on half-time and made it for the 20.50 start. Turned my phone back on at 22:30 and just knew I hadn't missed anything in the game!
Couldn’t see any but there is this, ‘I know, I’ll head it!” still
(https://i.ibb.co/sHHvVjj/4-FA2-BD45-5-AA7-44-BD-B9-C8-73154-AA79-E14.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sHHvVjj)
I was going to add a tweeted meme response with Gordon Ramsey losing the will to live, but instead, I’ll look forward to the Villa podcast tomorrow to see how many categories wee Johnny makes it into. http://linktr.ee/thevillapodcast
It’s already out PT, I listened to it about 1am.
Post by: frank black on October 11, 2022, 07:26:29 AM
Post by: LeeB on October 11, 2022, 08:42:19 AM
John McGinn was awful last night wasn’t he. Certainly looks like he could do without the captains armband
Took the armband off a player unaffected by wearing it, so he could concentrate on his game, and given to a player already struggling that now looks like he's playing with an albatross hanging around his neck.
He's lost all dynamism, he's hesitant and seems to lose every 50-50 tackle too, before we even talk about the state of his passing. That bloody first time chip ball to the back post he keeps trying as well, never works and the opposition can see it a mile off
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 11, 2022, 08:44:39 AM
Post by: Clampy on October 11, 2022, 08:46:53 AM
A new manager needs to give Mings the arm band back and drop McGinn. Then deal with all the noise that’ll create.
I personally think Mings has been better and more focused since the captaincy was taken off him.
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2022, 08:48:56 AM
A new manager needs to give Mings the arm band back and drop McGinn. Then deal with all the noise that’ll create.
It won't create any noise. That's the thing, I think everyone, McGinn included, knows it too.
Post by: LeeB on October 11, 2022, 08:51:02 AM
A new manager needs to give Mings the arm band back and drop McGinn. Then deal with all the noise that’ll create.
I personally think Mings has been better and more focused since the captaincy was taken off him.
He was fine before it was done, he just hasn't let it affect him because he's a top pro and a first class human being.
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2022, 08:53:27 AM
A new manager needs to give Mings the arm band back and drop McGinn. Then deal with all the noise that’ll create.
I personally think Mings has been better and more focused since the captaincy was taken off him.
He was fine before it was done, he just hasn't let it affect him because he's a top pro and a first class human being.
Absolutely this.
Post by: Nev on October 11, 2022, 08:53:28 AM
There were 2 incidents last night that stuck out for me. The first was when he was called over by the ref after a set too between Young and one of their players, he showed scant interest and looked to get back in position as soon as possible, not even talking to Ash. Then, when he was subbed he appeared to avoid the Manager altogether and went straight to the bench.
I maintain that he is still a good player who will thrive, but not under this Manager.
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2022, 08:54:58 AM
Still, he may score the winner at the weekend...
Post by: LeeB on October 11, 2022, 08:59:59 AM
Mings appeared to thrive as Captain ( my theory is that he was more popular than the Manager so that's why he took the captaincy off him and came out with that look me in the eye bollocks, wanted to force him out but was scuppered by the injury to Carlos) and as stated above SJM looks the exact opposite.
There were 2 incidents last night that stuck out for me. The first was when he was called over by the ref after a set too between Young and one of their players, he showed scant interest and looked to get back in position as soon as possible, not even talking to Ash. Then, when he was subbed he appeared to avoid the Manager altogether and went straight to the bench.
I maintain that he is still a good player who will thrive, but not under this Manager.
I remember the incident you mention and it struck me at the time, I can't remember who it was but they were being shithoused by a few forest players and it was Young that got in amongst them to protect our man, McGinn was stood about 10 years away uninterested.
Like you I know he's a much better player than what we're seeing, like many of our players.
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2022, 09:55:46 AM
Like you I know he's a much better player than what we're seeing, like many of our players.
He isn't though. He's another one who was made to look better for a few games under Smith by playing with an in form Grealish. Even at his "best" he only got 3 goals a season. His passing has always been shite.
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2022, 10:02:30 AM
Post by: aj2k77 on October 11, 2022, 10:11:21 AM
Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2022, 11:08:28 AM
He's a championship player. This is his 4th season in the top flight now and he's only looked decent for around 6 months of it.
A championship player that had various pundits and former players trying to arrange a £50-60m move to Man Utd 18 months ago?
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 11, 2022, 11:39:43 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 11, 2022, 12:53:00 PM
What a useless fat knacker he is. Abysmal passing as per usual, and sod all else useful. Why is he still getting a game? Got nearly as much abuse as Gerrard and was booed off when subbed.
He's an absolute waste of fucking space.
That diving header was one of the worst things I've seen on a pitch in a long time.
He's absolutely shit, not good enough for this level, yet is first name on the team sheet week in, week out.
And those fucking shit loopy crosses. I know that we scored albeit indirectly from one thanks to Ollie’s header and Ash being opportunistic, but for the most part they never work. They are easy to defend against for towering CB’s. And when he gets the ball it’s as if he’s never seen a football before. The hesitancy makes us so predictable and provides time for the opponents to get back into position. How on earth does the manager not see it?
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2022, 02:45:31 PM
He's a championship player. This is his 4th season in the top flight now and he's only looked decent for around 6 months of it.
A championship player that had various pundits and former players trying to arrange a £50-60m move to Man Utd 18 months ago?
Since when has baseless speculation been proof of anything?
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2022, 02:47:11 PM
He's a championship player. This is his 4th season in the top flight now and he's only looked decent for around 6 months of it.
A championship player that had various pundits and former players trying to arrange a £50-60m move to Man Utd 18 months ago?
Since when has baseless speculation been proof of anything?
It worked when people thought Gerrard was a great manager and perfect for the Villa!
Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2022, 02:59:18 PM
He's a championship player. This is his 4th season in the top flight now and he's only looked decent for around 6 months of it.
A championship player that had various pundits and former players trying to arrange a £50-60m move to Man Utd 18 months ago?
Since when has baseless speculation been proof of anything?
It's proof that it itself exists, i.e. lots of people thought McGinn was good enough to play Champions League football 18 months ago, which suggests he was playing well enough for people to form those opinions. That alone is enough to suggest that he's not a "championship player who's had 6 decent months in his 4 seasons in the premier league". As so often happens he's not champions league of championship, he's an average premier league midfielder who is currently struggling for form in a system which is making it very difficult for a number of our players to play to their strengths.
I'm not even arguing that he's particularly good, just that he's not as shit as some people insist. He's trying too hard, he's giving possession away cheaply through poor passing or getting caught in possession and he doesn't create or score enough goals but he's not shit and we'll make a massive profit on him if we choose to sell him at some point and I doubt he'll ever play in the championship again (certainly not before the twilight of his career).
Post by: Risso on October 11, 2022, 03:09:38 PM
Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2022, 03:22:17 PM
We’ve never had a whiff of a serious offer for him, not even from a top half team let alone a Champions League club.
which doesn't mean a thing in this context. Lots of people involved in the game as pundits, journalists, former players/talking heads, etc were of the opinion that he was playing to a standard and of a style that would improve a team that view missing out on the champions league as a failure. Those opinions don't exist if he's shit, never been good enough for the premier league, etc.
I'm sure the next argument will be that "we watch our games, they only watch highlights" but you only have to go back to some older posts on this thread to see us making similar comments:
I've no worries about McGinn leaving. I can't see him fitting into a Liverpool or Man City team, and Spurs seem blessed with a few central midfielders. Man U might fancy him, but seeing as they're struggling to reach the top 6, why would you bother. We need to build the team around the spine of Mings, Grealish and McGinn, and make sure that as many of the other players as possible are on their level, especially up front. McGinn's goals should be an added bonus, not our main hope of staying up.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 11, 2022, 03:24:46 PM
We’ve never had a whiff of a serious offer for him, not even from a top half team let alone a Champions League club.
which doesn't mean a thing in this context. Lots of people involved in the game as pundits, journalists, former players/talking heads, etc were of the opinion that he was playing to a standard and of a style that would improve a team that view missing out on the champions league as a failure. Those opinions don't exist if he's shit, never been good enough for the premier league, etc.
I'm sure the next argument will be that "we watch our games, they only watch highlights" but you only have to go back to some older posts on this thread to see us making similar comments:I've no worries about McGinn leaving. I can't see him fitting into a Liverpool or Man City team, and Spurs seem blessed with a few central midfielders. Man U might fancy him, but seeing as they're struggling to reach the top 6, why would you bother. We need to build the team around the spine of Mings, Grealish and McGinn, and make sure that as many of the other players as possible are on their level, especially up front. McGinn's goals should be an added bonus, not our main hope of staying up.
^^^ that was on the basis of seeing McGinn play in the championship though.
He did look very good in the championship, because he's a championship player.
Post by: brontebilly on October 11, 2022, 03:39:08 PM
Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2022, 03:39:50 PM
We’ve never had a whiff of a serious offer for him, not even from a top half team let alone a Champions League club.
which doesn't mean a thing in this context. Lots of people involved in the game as pundits, journalists, former players/talking heads, etc were of the opinion that he was playing to a standard and of a style that would improve a team that view missing out on the champions league as a failure. Those opinions don't exist if he's shit, never been good enough for the premier league, etc.
I'm sure the next argument will be that "we watch our games, they only watch highlights" but you only have to go back to some older posts on this thread to see us making similar comments:I've no worries about McGinn leaving. I can't see him fitting into a Liverpool or Man City team, and Spurs seem blessed with a few central midfielders. Man U might fancy him, but seeing as they're struggling to reach the top 6, why would you bother. We need to build the team around the spine of Mings, Grealish and McGinn, and make sure that as many of the other players as possible are on their level, especially up front. McGinn's goals should be an added bonus, not our main hope of staying up.
^^^ that was on the basis of seeing McGinn play in the championship though.
He did look very good in the championship, because he's a championship player.
No it wasn't it was 7-8 games into the season after promition and in response to him being easily our best player a for those games. Either way I said people were talking about him as a Man Utd player (i.e a bit better than the championship) and found a quote of a person who disputed it saying exactly that.
If you want different angle how about this one from the following season?
It was all there last night, in spades. The arse into the opposition player to send him flying, and the perfectly hit volley from miles out. I was really concerned about him, as back end of last season he seemed really out of sorts, but glad I got that wrong as well. I think I'll stick to talking about finance and watches in future, safer ground.
So he had a bad spell of form and got heavily criticised before finding his feet and looking comfortably a premier player again. All I'm saying is why do we have to lurch from extreme to extreme on players all the time? At his best McGinn is good enough to be a top half of the premier player, maybe even playing in Europe, at his worst he's some way short of that, like one of hundreds of players in the last 30 years who've been the same.
Right now he's at his worst since he joined us but that doesn't mean he's always been shit, that we were wrong to say nice things about him in the past or that there's no chance he'll ever be decent again.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 11, 2022, 03:40:37 PM
https://twitter.com/avfc_aston/status/1579569823788716032?s=46&t=0n1RXkfL8J0L6ZepUhRbgA
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 11, 2022, 03:50:13 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 11, 2022, 03:51:11 PM
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2022, 04:01:33 PM
We've seen enough in the past to suggest it could go either way, with most of our players to be fair.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on October 11, 2022, 04:05:55 PM
I agree Nev. Like virtually everyone else, he looks worse under this manager and whatever system it is he's trying to implement.EVERY player we have looks worse under this manager.
Still, he may score the winner at the weekend...
Fact.
Post by: London Villan on October 11, 2022, 04:13:19 PM
Where he is played
Burnout
Quality
Are the order of the issues with McGinn.
Post by: LukeJames on October 11, 2022, 04:48:28 PM
It's so obvious he's going to score that Gibbs-White is already celebrating.Any clips of the McGinn header/avoid the right foot at all costs?
I watched the first-half in Waxy O'Connors near Lesta Square as I had a ticket for a film at the London Film Festival. Quickly finshed a bottle of Modelo on half-time and made it for the 20.50 start. Turned my phone back on at 22:30 and just knew I hadn't missed anything in the game!
Couldn’t see any but there is this, ‘I know, I’ll head it!” still
(https://i.ibb.co/sHHvVjj/4-FA2-BD45-5-AA7-44-BD-B9-C8-73154-AA79-E14.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sHHvVjj)
I was going to add a tweeted meme response with Gordon Ramsey losing the will to live, but instead, I’ll look forward to the Villa podcast tomorrow to see how many categories wee Johnny makes it into. http://linktr.ee/thevillapodcast
Post by: eamonn on October 11, 2022, 04:58:52 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 11, 2022, 05:02:24 PM
But watching him suffer week after week is cruel.
Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2022, 05:15:40 PM
Paul-e, do you rate McGinn technically?
In terms of premier league midfielders I'd say his touch and ball carrying is about average, his passing is maybe a bit below and his tenacity, energy levels and battling is a bit above. Overall making him a pretty average, mid-table premier league midfielder. I always thought the idea of him going to a champions league club was a bit far-fetched and I think the idea that he's a championship player is is just as wide of the mark.
What I can't get my head round is people trying to rewrite history and claim that he's never been good enough, never been talked about as an option for top 6 clubs and is holding us back. I have almost the exact same problem with Watkins but in 'black and white world' where everything is perfect or irredeemably shit too many people feel the need to lurch between those 2 extremes.
It's not just players either, Purslow, after 1 bad managerial appointment is a shit CEO who should be sacked by the owners or at least have all footballing matters taken out of his remit. Lange was great for striking a bargain and keeping deals quiet until the player was in the building, now he's shit and has done nothing of any value since he arrived. It's all bullshit borne of frustration that the team aren't playing very well because the manager doesn't appear to be able to get them playing as a unit.
As I said a while back there's a habit on here for things to spiral to armageddon very quickly and once it gets there EVERYTHING has to be shit, there can be no silver linings, no green shoots, no objectivity, just shit all the way down and the only solution is to burn everything down and start again.
McGinn is massively out of form, struggling with the captaincy and seemingly confused by the role he's being asked to play and all of those things are normal for most footballers at times in their career, he just needs to be taken out of the spotlight for a while, be given some coaching to get him back on track and then see how he responds, he doesn't need to be booed off the field, thrown to the dogs by his manager and called shit all over the internet.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 11, 2022, 05:24:38 PM
Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2022, 05:27:13 PM
How about a good manager tells him; when you get the ball, don’t stand on it for ages wondering what to do because it allows the opponents defence to get back into position. And why not tell him to stop those stupid lofted passes that are very low percentage plays. Instead he does that week after week. And week after week is fans see it isn’t working and he keeps doing it without risk of losing his starting job. I accept he’s low on confidence and out of form. But the management of him and others has been shocking
That's the sort of thing i mean by "coaching to get him back on track". More generally he really needs to stop trying to make something from nothing on the halfway line. Players that can change a game with a single pass from there are few and far between and he's never going to be one of them.
Post by: Paul.S on October 11, 2022, 05:45:02 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 12, 2022, 02:22:34 AM
He's a championship player. This is his 4th season in the top flight now and he's only looked decent for around 6 months of it.
A championship player that had various pundits and former players trying to arrange a £50-60m move to Man Utd 18 months ago?
That was madness and I’d have snapped their hands off. Sourness was still banging on about it at the start of this season.
The know-nothing, Sun-loving throbber.
Post by: aj2k77 on October 12, 2022, 09:52:06 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on October 12, 2022, 10:17:11 AM
It's reasonable to criticise how he's playing in our current set up, but there's no need to rewrite history for a player who has given so much to the club.
Post by: Risso on October 12, 2022, 10:52:42 AM
McGinn is out of form but at times has been a fantastic player for us.
It's reasonable to criticise how he's playing in our current set up, but there's no need to rewrite history for a player who has given so much to the club.
He's had a few good games, but for the last year or so, other than the odd game, he's been consistently poor. Palace away last seaosn he was great, other than that it's hard to recall a game where he was anything other than bang ordinary, and for most of the time he's just been really bad, including Monday night against the worst side in the league.
Post by: frank black on October 12, 2022, 11:10:33 AM
McGinn is out of form but at times has been a fantastic player for us.
It's reasonable to criticise how he's playing in our current set up, but there's no need to rewrite history for a player who has given so much to the club.
It just feels like it’s been a very long time since he’s been consistent, a very long time. He’s one of those players that we loved and made such a difference to us at the time, but now I wouldn’t really worry if he got injured or left. It’s the performances for Scotland that give us the hope that he might get back to his best (perhaps)
Post by: Clampy on October 12, 2022, 11:11:28 AM
McGinn is out of form but at times has been a fantastic player for us.
It's reasonable to criticise how he's playing in our current set up, but there's no need to rewrite history for a player who has given so much to the club.
Agree totally. He's been great overall for the money we paid. Hopefully he'll come good again and I think he will.
Post by: paul_e on October 12, 2022, 11:11:41 AM
£50/60m lol that's paper talk. I really really wouldn't believe the rumour mill of Robbie Savage and Talksport. The fact is he wasn't sold for that amount of money. He's still here, stinking the place out and the most anyone has ever paid for him is £2.5m.
Again this is missing the point, all I was saying is that those rumours existed and persisted for a long time, if he was a "championship player" those people wouldn't have been creating that link.
Post by: Clampy on October 12, 2022, 11:17:38 AM
McGinn is out of form but at times has been a fantastic player for us.
It's reasonable to criticise how he's playing in our current set up, but there's no need to rewrite history for a player who has given so much to the club.
It just feels like it’s been a very long time since he’s been consistent, a very long time. He’s one of those players that we loved and made such a difference to us at the time, but now I wouldn’t really worry if he got injured or left. It’s the performances for Scotland that give us the hope that he might get back to his best (perhaps)
Not being bothered if a player gets injured just because you don't think he's good enough anymore is a bit naff really.
Post by: LeeB on October 12, 2022, 11:27:11 AM
Post by: Clampy on October 12, 2022, 11:29:39 AM
Picking him up on that is a bit naff really, he clearly means it leads to McGinn not getting selected rather than being indifferent to his suffering.
Not its not. I'd rather he either plays his way back into form or get dropped. I wouldn't want anyone to get injured. We've enough players out as it is.
Post by: LeeB on October 12, 2022, 11:36:28 AM
Picking him up on that is a bit naff really, he clearly means it leads to McGinn not getting selected rather than being indifferent to his suffering.
Not its not. I'd rather he either plays his way back into form or get dropped. I wouldn't want anyone to get injured. We've enough players out as it is.
He didn't say he wanted anyone injured, bloody hell. You might read it better if you get down off your high horse
Post by: Clampy on October 12, 2022, 11:39:44 AM
Picking him up on that is a bit naff really, he clearly means it leads to McGinn not getting selected rather than being indifferent to his suffering.
Not its not. I'd rather he either plays his way back into form or get dropped. I wouldn't want anyone to get injured. We've enough players out as it is.
He didn't say he wanted anyone injured, bloody hell. You might read it better if you get down off your high horse
He said he wouldnt worry if he got injured. Still a bit naff though. I get what he's trying to say as he's not going to be dropped by the look of it but still, I'd rather we have the old McGinn back. There's still a very good player there.
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 12, 2022, 11:48:15 AM
I don’t see any of the above right now though.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on October 16, 2022, 04:30:06 PM
Post by: Steve67 on October 16, 2022, 05:22:56 PM
Post by: KevinGage on October 16, 2022, 05:27:33 PM
He has been ropey in some games earlier season but better recently.
I hope the booing was directed at the substitution itself and not him. There's no lack of graft from him even when he is off form.
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2022, 05:31:24 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on October 16, 2022, 05:31:34 PM
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2022, 05:34:20 PM
He can graft all he wants but what is the point when you make a decision like shooting at a tight angle, on your weak foot when there is a clear pass on? Piss poor decision making regularly from him.
Yep that was typical of him. Terrible.
Post by: gpbarr on October 16, 2022, 05:42:33 PM
Post by: brontebilly on October 16, 2022, 06:36:22 PM
Thought we noticeably went to pot and lost any shape we had when he went off.
He has been ropey in some games earlier season but better recently.
I hope the booing was directed at the substitution itself and not him. There's no lack of graft from him even when he is off form.
Agreed, terrible decision to take him off. Gerrard was only playing to the crowd with that one.
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2022, 07:58:29 PM
Post by: Clampy on October 16, 2022, 08:13:31 PM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.
Do you have an alert on your phone whenever someone says something positive about McGinn?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 16, 2022, 08:15:04 PM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.
That was absolutely piss poor.
Post by: coreyfeldman on October 16, 2022, 08:21:04 PM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.
Do you have an alert on your phone whenever someone says something positive about McGinn?
Or something positive about Potter, strangely
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2022, 08:26:46 PM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.
Do you have an alert on your phone whenever someone says something positive about McGinn?
It's called reading the forum and responding to people Clampy, it's how this place works.
Post by: Clampy on October 16, 2022, 08:28:40 PM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.
Do you have an alert on your phone whenever someone says something positive about McGinn?
It's called reading the forum and responding to people Clampy, it's how this place works.
It sure does. That's why I posted what I did.
Post by: LukeJames on October 16, 2022, 08:29:22 PM
It was pretty much the good and bad of McGinn in one incident.Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.
That was absolutely piss poor.
Post by: brontebilly on October 16, 2022, 08:30:44 PM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.
We were on top in midfield before he was hooked. We lost all semblance of shape once Coutinho came on. He used the ball a lot better today, that example in the box aside.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 16, 2022, 08:35:34 PM
Post by: brontebilly on October 16, 2022, 09:07:29 PM
As the sub was straight after we'd gone 2 down it's hard to know if it was the subs or the second goal that did for us. I will say though that it was noticeable, to me at least, that one manager made multiple changes despite leading 1-0 while the one losing 1-0 didn't make any.
Buendia was waiting for a couple of minutes to come on when they got their second to be fair.
Ings should have been first man hooked, switch to 4231 and got Ramsey further up the pitch.
Post by: ozzjim on October 16, 2022, 09:54:40 PM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.
It was criminal.
His shot down the Kepa's throat before the Ramsey miss was awful too. No composure, from captain down.
Post by: brontebilly on October 16, 2022, 10:06:12 PM
Post by: eamonn on October 17, 2022, 01:59:43 AM
Post by: Rory on October 17, 2022, 04:46:13 AM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.
Do you have an alert on your phone whenever someone says something positive about McGinn?
It's called reading the forum and responding to people Clampy, it's how this place works.
It sure does. That's why I posted what I did.
Bloody hell, even the optimists are arguing! That can't be good.
Post by: adrenachrome on October 17, 2022, 02:28:01 PM
Why was it a terrible decision? He did fuck all except shoot from a ridiculous angle when anybody with half a footballing brain would have passed it to the man in space. Almost as bad a mistake as Mings made.
It was criminal.
His shot down the Kepa's throat before the Ramsey miss was awful too. No composure, from captain down.
As soon as he cut in onto his right foot, I knew nothing would come of it. Wouldn't be surprised at all if he was trying to pass it. All bets are off when it comes to JM's right peg.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 18, 2022, 12:29:05 AM
He also squandered some excellent opportunities against Chelsea due to poor shooting and decision-making.
With all the pressure, he's really become a subpar player, and I believe the captaincy has made him worse.
He is now subbed constantly- having an inability to justify him playing for 90 minutes, because he's basically showing ineffectiveness, and a distinct lack of quality.
Very unimpressed by him at the moment he's very disappointing captain.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 18, 2022, 09:12:53 AM
Think he's had his peak at Villa. Reached his level.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 20, 2022, 09:07:37 PM
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2022, 09:48:33 PM
Post by: FrankyH on October 20, 2022, 10:16:26 PM
Post by: Tayls_7 on October 20, 2022, 10:18:08 PM
What did McGinn say, I caught the tail end of Les Ferdinand saying he shouldn't have said that ?
That they needed to ignore the derision from the travelling fans.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 20, 2022, 10:18:18 PM
What did McGinn say, I caught the tail end of Les Ferdinand saying he shouldn't have said that ?
McGinn
https://twitter.com/primevideosport/status/1583203404490211328
Post by: curiousorange on October 20, 2022, 10:21:33 PM
Post by: Clampy on October 20, 2022, 10:23:33 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 20, 2022, 10:23:51 PM
Part of interview I'd ask the next candidate what role they see for McGinn. You could imagine someone like Sean Dyche wanting to continue to make him fulcrum of the team so that's why I don't want us to go anywhere near that type of manager.
Post by: ozzjim on October 20, 2022, 10:24:49 PM
Post by: dr.chekov on October 20, 2022, 10:25:55 PM
Post by: brontebilly on October 20, 2022, 10:26:22 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 20, 2022, 10:27:10 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on October 20, 2022, 10:30:15 PM
I think he just worded that bit badly, which i'd imagine is easy to do right after a game, especially one that bad.
Which bit? That "the performance doesn't represent us as players" when most have been playing like that all season.
And I wish the press looked at the Chelsea game for what it was. The Chelsea formation played into our hands. As soon as the moved Sterling around and tightened up, we didn't have a sniff.
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2022, 10:32:30 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 20, 2022, 10:32:56 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 20, 2022, 10:34:05 PM
Post by: FrankyH on October 20, 2022, 10:35:47 PM
What did McGinn say, I caught the tail end of Les Ferdinand saying he shouldn't have said that ?
That they needed to ignore the derision from the travelling fans.
Thanks Tayls_7 & PWS . I don't think that was said in arrogance , but just chose his words wrong under pressure.
Post by: Somniloquism on October 20, 2022, 10:36:06 PM
Everything about him on the pitch then off the pitch showed why it was a daft decision to make him captain and why the managers judgement is so far off.
Yep. One of the few decent performances on the pitch this season happened in the 35 minutes he was off the pitch against Citeh. During that same time we didn't have Watkins and Ings playing together either.
Post by: The_ads on October 20, 2022, 10:41:35 PM
Agree. Hugely out of form and he’s nowhere near it. But Villa fans had extremely short memories. Must be the best £2.5m ever spent. This is his first tough period and has coincided with a job he should never have had. To call him absolutely shite is out of order in my opinion. He’ll come good again
He is absolutely shite. Can he please piss off in the same taxi as Gerrard. An honest to god shit sandwich of a player. Never mind the results, Gerrard deserves the sack for making this waste of space captain alone.
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2022, 11:00:05 PM
This is totally unnecessary
Agree. Hugely out of form and he’s nowhere near it. But Villa fans had extremely short memories. Must be the best £2.5m ever spent. This is his first tough period and has coincided with a job he should never have had. To call him absolutely shite is out of order in my opinion. He’ll come good againHe is absolutely shite. Can he please piss off in the same taxi as Gerrard. An honest to god shit sandwich of a player. Never mind the results, Gerrard deserves the sack for making this waste of space captain alone.
When has he been consistently good in the Premier League? I don't care how much he cost, he's not good enough.
Post by: Steve67 on October 20, 2022, 11:07:27 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on October 20, 2022, 11:18:25 PM
He hasn't played well for what seems like an eternity, either. You're never going to win many games with him and Luiz in the midfield.
Post by: usav on October 20, 2022, 11:21:22 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on October 21, 2022, 12:48:00 AM
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2022, 01:14:34 AM
First thing that needs to happen is McGinn dropped to the bench. Of course, Luiz has done him a favour in that regard.
Sold for £50m to a top 6 team I think you mean.
Post by: villadelph on October 21, 2022, 02:40:10 AM
Is that a shot at the south american contingent?
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 21, 2022, 09:29:37 AM
Post by: passport1 on October 21, 2022, 09:42:30 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on October 21, 2022, 09:44:08 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 21, 2022, 09:47:24 AM
Not a scintilla of pain or disappointment on his face. Looked like he’d be more upset by forgetting to put the bins out. Not what you want from a captain.
Nice bloke, totally not captain material, but his getting picked week in week out is a big contributor to SG getting potted.
I don’t think he’s ever really proved himself consistently at this level, he’s an excellent Championship player who has not made the jump, and his starting every single match for us is emblematic of the meek acceptance of low standards at the club.
Post by: Paul.S on October 21, 2022, 09:56:13 AM
Post by: Clampy on October 21, 2022, 09:58:40 AM
Some of the personal abuse aimed at him over the last few weeks has been uncalled for and out of order. He can do a job for us for the rest of the season but he is not a ball player and has to be used correctly. He clearly doesn’t like being captain but he does care and the weight of what’s been going on is clearly having a huge affect upon him.
Couldn't agree more.
Post by: brontebilly on October 21, 2022, 10:05:22 AM
In the right set up he can be a useful player. When I see him now he looks distraught. He got a lot of love from the Villa fans when he first signed but is struggling to cope with the bile hurled at him now.
That's the way I see it too. Should never have been made captain as was already struggling but that's on Gerrard not McGinn. Our next coach will take the captaincy back off him as one of his first actions no doubt and give it back to Mings. Simply needs to be playing further up the pitch or not at all.
Those throwing bile at him, including on these pages, have short memories.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on October 21, 2022, 12:08:26 PM
Removing the arm band from him may be demoralising personally and needs to be handled carefully, but playing him further forward would bring SJM back....imho.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 21, 2022, 01:40:15 PM
Percy from the Daily Telegraph said
"John McGinn replaced Mings as captain, but has at times seemed inhibited by the role. Gerrard had planned to drop the Scotland international for the visit of Chelsea on the Friday before the game, but changed his mind and named McGinn in his starting line-up.
McGinn played well against Chelsea, but he is one of a clutch of players Gerrard found himself accused of being too loyal to"
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 22, 2022, 08:09:15 PM
https://twitter.com/telefootball/status/1583895151428177920?s=46&t=dZPNJXLhfE66tuTWhDuN9A
Post by: Axl Rose on October 22, 2022, 08:13:02 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 22, 2022, 08:16:24 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on October 22, 2022, 08:18:18 PM
Dropped for tomorrow apparently
https://twitter.com/telefootball/status/1583895151428177920?s=46&t=dZPNJXLhfE66tuTWhDuN9A (https://twitter.com/telefootball/status/1583895151428177920?s=46&t=dZPNJXLhfE66tuTWhDuN9A)
Also from that article in the Torygraph by Matt Law:
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Danks has also left out Jacob Ramsey, the midfielder, from the side that lost at Craven Cottage on Thursday evening.
Post by: astonvilla82 on October 22, 2022, 08:18:46 PM
Post by: dave shelley on October 22, 2022, 08:49:15 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 22, 2022, 09:02:20 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 22, 2022, 09:03:13 PM
Post by: dr.chekov on October 22, 2022, 09:05:11 PM
The bit I’m a bit bothered about is how this got out. Not the decision itself
True. Not good.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 22, 2022, 09:05:57 PM
Post by: Ian. on October 22, 2022, 09:19:32 PM
I’m also surprised how this has been leaked. Seems odd and not very professional at all.
Post by: Mellin on October 22, 2022, 10:15:39 PM
And I love McGinn. Still. He needs some time out the side to get his head straight though. No shame in it.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 22, 2022, 10:51:24 PM
The bit I’m a bit bothered about is how this got out. Not the decision itself
True. Not good.
My first thought, too.
Leaked by a player? I hope not.
Post by: brontebilly on October 22, 2022, 10:53:16 PM
The bit I’m a bit bothered about is how this got out. Not the decision itself
True. Not good.
My first thought, too.
Leaked by a player? I hope not.
The Torygraph seem to have the inside line at Villa Park these days....
Post by: aj2k77 on October 23, 2022, 12:21:11 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on October 23, 2022, 12:37:21 AM
First thing the new manager should do is as tactfully as possible change the captain.
Providing he is capable of playing regularly, Ashley Young should be given the armband until the uncertainty at the club is resolved. Our most experienced player and you can see he is a leader on the pitch.
Post by: ozzjim on October 23, 2022, 12:40:55 AM
Post by: Drummond on October 23, 2022, 01:00:51 AM
There was a lot of passing and move drills which means McGinn dropping out isn't a surprise to me. Plus he's got nothing to lose himself in the selection he puts out there.
I like McGinn but he's woefully out of form (I'm not interested in whether anyone thinks he's shit) and isn't performing at the levels he can reach. A spell out will do him good, I hope he trains like a beast and puts himself in contention again.
Post by: eamonn on October 23, 2022, 02:44:45 AM
Could we be about to see the Renaissance of a certain Morgan Sanson?
Bloody hope so.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 23, 2022, 06:29:35 AM
Post by: Clampy on October 23, 2022, 08:39:18 AM
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2022, 08:40:46 AM
Post by: Villan82 on October 23, 2022, 08:47:45 AM
Some of the personal abuse aimed at him over the last few weeks has been uncalled for and out of order. He can do a job for us for the rest of the season but he is not a ball player and has to be used correctly. He clearly doesn’t like being captain but he does care and the weight of what’s been going on is clearly having a huge affect upon him.
Agree. Some people have short memories. He hasn't had a good 2022 *except for the Man U cup game where he was exceptional) but what professional footballer doesn't hit a sticky patch at some point in their career. The mistake was Gerrard not taking him out of the firing line when it started.
Post by: Taylor on October 23, 2022, 08:53:27 AM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 23, 2022, 09:23:55 AM
Post by: ozzjim on October 23, 2022, 09:24:06 AM
Post by: Clampy on October 23, 2022, 09:31:21 AM
He needs a few games out and the arm band taken off him. If he can’t handle that then move him on.
I've not seen any suggestion of him not handling it. Why wouldn't he?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 23, 2022, 09:33:38 AM
He needs a few games out and the arm band taken off him. If he can’t handle that then move him on.
I've not seen any sugeesting of him not handling it. Why wouldn't he?
Hence the if.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 23, 2022, 09:47:11 AM
McGinn was in a pub in the city centre today. I'm not sure if he was drinking or not but he was definitely in the pub.
That's nothing. I saw Douglas Luiz trying to fix a car.
Post by: Clampy on October 23, 2022, 09:54:33 AM
He needs a few games out and the arm band taken off him. If he can’t handle that then move him on.
I've not seen any sugeesting of him not handling it. Why wouldn't he?
Hence the if.
I dont understand the point in creating possible scenarios for a player who hasn't given us a minute of trouble. Players get dropped all the time. He's hardly going to do a Ronaldo.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 23, 2022, 10:06:21 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 23, 2022, 10:39:03 AM
I'm glad he's out of the team, he's shit and fat.
Ha ha, almost inhaled coffee laughing at that.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 23, 2022, 10:53:57 AM
Ok
Percy from the Daily Telegraph said
"John McGinn replaced Mings as captain, but has at times seemed inhibited by the role. Gerrard had planned to drop the Scotland international for the visit of Chelsea on the Friday before the game, but changed his mind and named McGinn in his starting line-up."
I'm assuming you'd read this, which i noticed yesterday. Whether that's Percy's opinion or whether someone has told him something from the inside i'm not sure. I don't think you can gauge too much from performances, he's been similar to last season and the end of the one before, i.e. good sometimes, average a lot of the time and occasionally crap. I think like Watkins he needs a little break so i'll be glad to see him out of the team for a couple of matches or maybe more, no reason why Sanson or Nakamba couldn't get a few matches to show whether they're up to it. Same with Archer for Watkins.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 23, 2022, 11:05:21 AM
Post by: Bobby Boy on October 23, 2022, 11:12:49 AM
However he has been great for us for the most part since he joined us and has credit in the bank for sure.
He could do with a spell out of the first XI but we need to stick by him.
There are people in this team way more worthy of criticism than John McGinn.
Post by: eamonn on October 23, 2022, 11:14:07 AM
Post by: Bobby Boy on October 23, 2022, 11:16:05 AM
Like who?
Luiz, Ings. At least McGinn looks like he gives a damn.
Post by: Bobby Boy on October 23, 2022, 11:19:47 AM
Like who?
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Oh, and Leon Bailey. I wanted to put my foot through the telly watching Bailey's utterly uninterested 'performance' at Fulham.
Disgusting.
Post by: Goldenballs on October 23, 2022, 11:19:50 AM
Post by: coreyfeldman on October 23, 2022, 11:23:17 AM
Like who?
Luiz, Ings. At least McGinn looks like he gives a damn.
Luiz has been probably our best player this season
Post by: dave shelley on October 23, 2022, 11:23:41 AM
He needs a few games out and the arm band taken off him. If he can’t handle that then move him on.
I've not seen any sugeesting of him not handling it. Why wouldn't he?
Hence the if.
I dont understand the point in creating possible scenarios for a player who hasn't given us a minute of trouble. Players get dropped all the time. He's hardly going to do a Ronaldo.
I agree, there's nothing in his conduct I can criticise him for. He really does need to be taken out of the firing line and needs to be relieved of the captaincy but I'm not saying anything that hasn't already been said. I hope he can recharge the batteries so to speak and regain a bit of form.
Post by: Mellin on October 23, 2022, 11:25:17 AM
Like who?
Luiz, Ings. At least McGinn looks like he gives a damn.
Luiz has been probably our best player this season
Yep. Luiz and Young.
Post by: Bobby Boy on October 23, 2022, 11:29:03 AM
Like who?
Luiz, Ings. At least McGinn looks like he gives a damn.
Luiz has been probably our best player this season
Yep. Luiz and Young.
Luiz? I genuinely don't understand what he does.
Is he a defensive midfielder? An attacking one?
The midfield is routinely cited as our biggest problem and he's a mainstay in that midfield.
Maybe I am missing something but I rarely think that Luiz has stood out in a game.
Post by: Mellin on October 23, 2022, 11:35:54 AM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on October 23, 2022, 11:37:46 AM
And dropped for the next game!
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on October 23, 2022, 11:39:37 AM
McGinn has also been asked to play an unnatural game, either too deep or as some auxiliary full back, particularly this season.
Post by: astonvilla82 on October 23, 2022, 11:41:17 AM
McGinn was in a pub in the city centre today. I'm not sure if he was drinking or not but he was definitely in the pub.Believe he was watching the Celtic match, drinking coffee
Post by: Mellin on October 23, 2022, 11:46:09 AM
Then out wide play...oh shit. Bring back Bert. But the front 3 is where are problems are now imo. Centre mid looks okay with the right personnel.
Post by: Axl Rose on October 23, 2022, 11:46:49 AM
I'm glad he's out of the team, he's shit and fat.
Agreed.
A woeful player.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 23, 2022, 11:47:22 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 23, 2022, 11:48:42 AM
I'm glad he's out of the team, he's shit and fat.well that's enough about me, but what about McGinn? :D
Post by: tomd2103 on October 23, 2022, 12:48:32 PM
I think that’s the issue with Doug, what is he?For me he’s a traditional midfielder who does a bit of everything or an 8 but mostly in all his time in the team he’s been asked to play as the only defensive midfielder, he’s had decent games there but not his speciality.
McGinn has also been asked to play an unnatural game, either too deep or as some auxiliary full back, particularly this season.
That's the issue with McGinn and Ramsey to some extent - Gerrard's system didn't play to their strengths at all. I woukd still like to see McGinn further forward, where he coukd lead the press and use his strengths.
Post by: john e on October 23, 2022, 12:50:53 PM
I'm glad he's out of the team, he's shit and fat.
I’m glad he’s out of the team
but he’s a top player and will be back
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 23, 2022, 01:14:39 PM
Post by: Lescottstweets on October 23, 2022, 01:52:29 PM
Post by: Matt C on October 23, 2022, 01:56:17 PM
Post by: AGRIPPA on October 23, 2022, 02:06:23 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 23, 2022, 02:35:44 PM
This is a player who consistently delivers at international level….there’s definitely a very decent player in there who over the last two seasons we’ve rarely seen. Dropping him will probably do us and him a favour…..
He plays a different role which is part of the issue but at international level most of the games are against crap opponents. Not wanting to dismiss what he’s done because he’s been great for Scotland but the overall weekly quality of the PL is greater than international level.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on October 24, 2022, 02:02:09 AM
Edit: I guess he's back up for Dougie then now, although I don't think he has the passing ability.
Post by: Ian. on October 24, 2022, 08:38:56 AM
He might work in another side, a side that soaks up pressure and attacks on the break. A team like Spurs with Conte, or even Brentford.
I reckon unless we appoint Dyche he will be sold this summer.
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2022, 08:54:08 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on October 24, 2022, 08:54:35 AM
Post by: ozzjim on October 24, 2022, 08:58:50 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on October 24, 2022, 09:00:19 AM
A 56% pass completion rate for his half an hour on the pitch yesterday, compared to 96% for Dedoncker.
I didn't even notice him when he came on, other than him laughing when he got the armband back. I was nicely drunk at that point however.
Loaning him out might rekindle some fire in him
Post by: simboy on October 24, 2022, 09:02:29 AM
He needed to be dropped but he’s a good player and, just like Bailey, played in his best position he has plenty to offer.
Agreed.
But he is competing for that place with Ramsey, Buendia, and Coutinho in the system we played yesterday. Perhaps in the "Man City" counter-attacking formation he starts with Dendoncker and Luiz, and indeed I wouldn't be too surprised to see him start against Newcastle next week as we should be more compact.
Post by: Ger Regan on October 24, 2022, 09:05:57 AM
EDIT: I see simboy made the same point as me
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2022, 09:31:08 AM
But he is competing for that place with Ramsey, Buendia, and Coutinho in the system we played yesterday. Perhaps in the "Man City" counter-attacking formation he starts with Dendoncker and Luiz, and indeed I wouldn't be too surprised to see him start against Newcastle next week as we should be more compact.
Part of the problem has been that a 4-3-3 with McGinn and Ramsey in the midfield 3 is neither one thing or the other. The passing just isn't good enough, and Luiz can't do all of the donkey work himself in protecting the defence, so they end up doing nothing especially well. We looked so much better yesterday with the 4-2-3-1, as everybody was doing a job that suited them. You would think with everybody fit that Kamara and Luiz will be first choice as the two, with Dedoncker and Marv as back ups, and then the attcking three will come from Buendia, Bailey, Watkins, Coutinho and Ramsey with McGinn as last pick there.
Post by: Mister E on October 24, 2022, 09:40:53 AM
Attacking 3 or 4? And, with the current squad Ings and Archer would be in contention for one of those attacking slots. 8 contenders for 4 slots.
But he is competing for that place with Ramsey, Buendia, and Coutinho in the system we played yesterday. Perhaps in the "Man City" counter-attacking formation he starts with Dendoncker and Luiz, and indeed I wouldn't be too surprised to see him start against Newcastle next week as we should be more compact.
Part of the problem has been that a 4-3-3 with McGinn and Ramsey in the midfield 3 is neither one thing or the other. The passing just isn't good enough, and Luiz can't do all of the donkey work himself in protecting the defence, so they end up doing nothing especially well. We looked so much better yesterday with the 4-2-3-1, as everybody was doing a job that suited them. You would think with everybody fit that Kamara and Luiz will be first choice as the two, with Dedoncker and Marv as back ups, and then the attcking three will come from Buendia, Bailey, Watkins, Coutinho and Ramsey with McGinn as last pick there.
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 24, 2022, 09:41:05 AM
He needed to be dropped but he’s a good player and, just like Bailey, played in his best position he has plenty to offer.
Agreed.
But he is competing for that place with Ramsey, Buendia, and Coutinho in the system we played yesterday. Perhaps in the "Man City" counter-attacking formation he starts with Dendoncker and Luiz, and indeed I wouldn't be too surprised to see him start against Newcastle next week as we should be more compact.
I think he’ll pick the sane starting 11 against Newcastle
Post by: simboy on October 24, 2022, 09:42:04 AM
But he is competing for that place with Ramsey, Buendia, and Coutinho in the system we played yesterday. Perhaps in the "Man City" counter-attacking formation he starts with Dendoncker and Luiz, and indeed I wouldn't be too surprised to see him start against Newcastle next week as we should be more compact.
Part of the problem has been that a 4-3-3 with McGinn and Ramsey in the midfield 3 is neither one thing or the other. The passing just isn't good enough, and Luiz can't do all of the donkey work himself in protecting the defence, so they end up doing nothing especially well. We looked so much better yesterday with the 4-2-3-1, as everybody was doing a job that suited them. You would think with everybody fit that Kamara and Luiz will be first choice as the two, with Dedoncker and Marv as back ups, and then the attcking three will come from Buendia, Bailey, Watkins, Coutinho and Ramsey with McGinn as last pick there.
I think it depends who we are playing, the "style" of the 4-2-3-1. Against teams we should be attacking then the natural choice is Buendia or Ramsey. Where we want to counter-attack i see McGinn as playing there as he's a better defender [generally] than those two. He plays the role well for Scotland.
I would also add Chambers to the "Dendoncker" role ahead of McGinn, if fit.
As to Coutinho ... maybe an[other] expensive mistake.
Post by: LeeB on October 24, 2022, 09:46:26 AM
He needed to be dropped but he’s a good player and, just like Bailey, played in his best position he has plenty to offer.
Agreed.
But he is competing for that place with Ramsey, Buendia, and Coutinho in the system we played yesterday. Perhaps in the "Man City" counter-attacking formation he starts with Dendoncker and Luiz, and indeed I wouldn't be too surprised to see him start against Newcastle next week as we should be more compact.
I think he’ll pick the sane starting 11 against Newcastle
He'd be mad not to.
Post by: Chris Smith on October 24, 2022, 09:50:22 AM
His best position for me is where Buendia played yesterday though Chris, not in a holding role, so he has to fight for that spot. The 2 holding mids should be from Luiz, DD, Marv and Kamara when fit. We were noticeably worse when he replaced DD yesterday.
I don’t disagree but competition for places is a never a bad thing, keeps players on their toes if they know that a manager means it rather than just talks about it,
Post by: simboy on October 24, 2022, 09:54:24 AM
He needed to be dropped but he’s a good player and, just like Bailey, played in his best position he has plenty to offer.
Agreed.
But he is competing for that place with Ramsey, Buendia, and Coutinho in the system we played yesterday. Perhaps in the "Man City" counter-attacking formation he starts with Dendoncker and Luiz, and indeed I wouldn't be too surprised to see him start against Newcastle next week as we should be more compact.
I think he’ll pick the sane starting 11 against Newcastle
Maybe/probably. I just think we will need more " energy" defensively.
Don't get me wrong I thought it was a brilliant performance yesterday. I loved the way we ran the game, from Luiz and Dendoncker to Buendia and Bailey.
Danks did something that Gerrard rarely did, he picked a formation and team to play the opposition. Gerrard did that when he thought teams would " wipe the floor with us". Whilst i loved being able to name the starting 11 back in 1980/81 and formation, especially after winning - I just think the game moves on. There's a necessity to pick teams and formations to counter the opposition, when the opposition are playing better than you. I think Newcastle are the form side in the league apart from Man Citeh.
They will know how we intend to get at them. Our "base" looks far more solid when Cash/Young are not expected to provide the attacking threat. Howe will adjust, we need to as well. I actually think we have a squad who are flexible enough to do that. I hope Danks is as well. Maybe same team different formation.
Post by: Clampy on October 24, 2022, 09:57:09 AM
He needed to be dropped but he’s a good player and, just like Bailey, played in his best position he has plenty to offer.
Agreed.
But he is competing for that place with Ramsey, Buendia, and Coutinho in the system we played yesterday. Perhaps in the "Man City" counter-attacking formation he starts with Dendoncker and Luiz, and indeed I wouldn't be too surprised to see him start against Newcastle next week as we should be more compact.
I think he’ll pick the sane starting 11 against Newcastle
He'd be mad not to.
He'd be off his head if he didn't.
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2022, 10:28:44 AM
Attacking 3 or 4? And, with the current squad Ings and Archer would be in contention for one of those attacking slots. 8 contenders for 4 slots.
But he is competing for that place with Ramsey, Buendia, and Coutinho in the system we played yesterday. Perhaps in the "Man City" counter-attacking formation he starts with Dendoncker and Luiz, and indeed I wouldn't be too surprised to see him start against Newcastle next week as we should be more compact.
Part of the problem has been that a 4-3-3 with McGinn and Ramsey in the midfield 3 is neither one thing or the other. The passing just isn't good enough, and Luiz can't do all of the donkey work himself in protecting the defence, so they end up doing nothing especially well. We looked so much better yesterday with the 4-2-3-1, as everybody was doing a job that suited them. You would think with everybody fit that Kamara and Luiz will be first choice as the two, with Dedoncker and Marv as back ups, and then the attcking three will come from Buendia, Bailey, Watkins, Coutinho and Ramsey with McGinn as last pick there.
Yep, I meant the attacking three behind the main striker, which for the forseeable future should be Ings with Archer as back up.
Post by: London Villan on October 24, 2022, 10:37:03 AM
Post by: Risso on October 24, 2022, 10:40:37 AM
Post by: brontebilly on October 24, 2022, 11:08:31 AM
With how we started yesterday, Ramsey can come in as a slightly more solid/defensive replacement for Bailey - say if we are winning with 30 mins to go, or to start slightly more cautiously. But I just can't see where McGinn fits into this line-up - unless its third place behind Emi, then Phil as a 10.
McGinn could fill in on RW or at 10. I don't think Watkins on either side of the 3 will work against most teams, although he did well v Chelsea and yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he gets back in there but he needs to earn his spot.
McGinn is not suited to the 2, that's between Luiz, Dendocker, Nakamba and Kamara when he is back for gametime.
Post by: Vegas on October 24, 2022, 12:11:34 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 28, 2022, 04:52:13 PM
Patently not up to it
Emery will have that sussed out and I think his number will be up by season end.
A decent pro but severally limited and hasn't the ounce of authority, leadership or footy intelligence to be a captain.
I wish him well every time he plays for us at Villa but I suspect he's not someone who can now improve and will find hard to adapt or add any thing of real merit once Emery gets going.
When have likes of Ilkay Gundogan out of contract in summer and with the quality of our new manager being able to attract the likes of such football ability then a McGinn type needs to be squad player at best. The hustle and bustle is so passé it's what Gerrard would have wanted and is only required for relegating battles.
Time for him to be ousted as both captain and player.
The telling thing is how Gerrard identified as a strength when he's a real weak link in the middle to my observations.
And telling how McGinn had the nerve to criticize the support when he and the players hadn't performed.
No more of Captain McGinn please. Disastrous.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 06, 2022, 01:23:52 PM
No place for him in Emerys 11.
Post by: Bad English on November 06, 2022, 02:55:08 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2022, 01:30:15 PM
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2022, 01:31:32 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 07, 2022, 01:42:28 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 07, 2022, 01:46:46 PM
Thought he also shut down the one ploy they were getting a bit of success out of, switching the ball crossfield from their right. He did well of course, but I thought it was yet another clever detail from our manager.
Absolutely spot on - superb tactical change by Emery
Post by: LeeB on November 07, 2022, 01:58:43 PM
We'll need everyone happy and ready to contribute if we're going to win both cups and qualify for the Champions League.
Post by: Risso on November 07, 2022, 02:01:52 PM
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2022, 02:03:33 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 07, 2022, 02:06:22 PM
Hard to see where he's going to start though to be honest. His biggest weakness is giving the ball away, and yesterday showed that if you don't do that as a team, then you're going to have a lot more control in the match. Still, he can see the standards that Emery expects so if he can match those then the clean slate applies as much to him as anybody else and I hope he proves me wrong.
Things can change quickly. We're bound to get some crippling injuries just as players are finding form, someone gets the shirt and plays well and suddenly the outlook appears different again.
Post by: London Villan on November 07, 2022, 02:27:06 PM
And he got a good reception as wellAnd rightly so - he had as big a role as the Rat did in getting us back up. He'd done a lot for us in his time here, but is off form and needs a break. Not hounding out of the club.
Post by: paul_e on November 07, 2022, 02:28:18 PM
I suspect we'll see him in different positions and roles to previously. His strengths - running with the ball basically - are much more suited to the wide-midfield roles occupied by Buendia and Ramsey than to the central ones of Doug and Donck.
I agree, I think he'll definitely be in those roles when he plays, having 2 more defensive players, who are more assured passers, in those middle roles is fundamental to playing how we did yesterday, McGinn will never be that sort of player.
Post by: rob_bridge on November 07, 2022, 02:30:32 PM
Hard to see where he's going to start though to be honest. His biggest weakness is giving the ball away, and yesterday showed that if you don't do that as a team, then you're going to have a lot more control in the match. Still, he can see the standards that Emery expects so if he can match those then the clean slate applies as much to him as anybody else and I hope he proves me wrong.
I think first goal lead up shows. Watkins drops deep forced deeper but doesn't lose it and doesn't look like losing it for a change. The rest is history. 3 weeks ago that is a best a half way line throw in to us. McGinn needs to show that kind of football brain - if Ollie can do it then anyone can
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2022, 02:30:49 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2022, 02:32:29 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 07, 2022, 02:50:22 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 07, 2022, 02:57:35 PM
He played markedly faster yesterday and in a slightly more advanced and fluid role. Still using his arse to good affect to keep possession. And not taking the captains armband was revealing and I thought liberating for him.McGinn is a captain for Bournemouth or Nottingham Forest, not Aston Villa.
His pedigree is the weakest of any midfielder we have in our first team.
As is his stamina.
No way a top 6 midfielder on a consistent basis. He'll be phased out once we bring in higher calibre of player in my reckoning.
Signing say Lo Celso would illustration the difference in quality and having Sanson well they are both much better players who have competed in the Champions League and are technically superior to the hustle and bustle of McGinn.
McGinn will never play Champions League football for a big club including oursleves because he is simply not at that level for any club of merit. This is my view.
I appreciated his efforts over the years, but as we look to top half football and beyond, he's nothing more than a squad player, and with the goal of improving our playing roster, he's someone I'd rather have on the bench than on the field if even in the squad.
I just don't see how he has any stamina or tactical awareness, as well as far too much of an old-school tendency in his playing style and attitude, to fit into our way of playing. He's a trier at best, and may that be applauded. I would think Emery and the coaches want more from their midfielders than this.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 07, 2022, 03:34:31 PM
That will hopefully help him with a bit of confidence too, which I think he's been really struggling with.
We'll need everyone happy and ready to contribute if we're going to win both cups and qualify for the Champions League.
You could easily imagine McGinn and, say, Coutinho coming in for Ramsey and Buendia yesterday and perpetrating a perfectly respectable amount of havoc.
Hard to see where he's going to start though to be honest. His biggest weakness is giving the ball away, and yesterday showed that if you don't do that as a team, then you're going to have a lot more control in the match. Still, he can see the standards that Emery expects so if he can match those then the clean slate applies as much to him as anybody else and I hope he proves me wrong.
And he got a good reception as wellAnd rightly so - he had as big a role as the Rat did in getting us back up. He'd done a lot for us in his time here, but is off form and needs a break. Not hounding out of the club.
To emphasise this point of how McGinn's lower level to where we are going and to debate what some above have said well simply I bring in a comparison to other midfield captain's who are way ahead of McGinn in all aspects of football.
So compare John McGinn our Villa Captain with Leicester and Wolves Captains. I argue they are of a higher calibre and proficiency of midfielders and they have in recently season represented their clubs in European competition. That's the required level to me.
Belgian international Leicester Tielemans, Captain
Look at his passing, his impressive goals, and his talent.
Captain of Wolves Neves, an international.
His talent, passing range, shooting prowess, and football ability and tenacious I would gladly swap for McGinn.
These are the types of midfielders Villa should be looking to have as essential to our progress. McGinn not at that level let alone a captain.
Theres no agenda it's just straight up observations on what level is needed and why Emery needs to look at a better type of midfielder to improve the overall quality of our midfield. So in my opinion, it's more than adequate and fair to highlight Tielemans and Neves in regards to abilities to show the weaknesses we have in McGinn.
Furthermore, I'm confident that a majority of us here and general football fans would prefer either midfielder to McGinn in our team let alone as captain.
That completely demonstrates how unsuited he is for our development, and I wanted to bring that up in relation to the discussion on McGinn and to those who might harbour hopes for improvement or for him to actually play a role in the future or him as Captain.
I rest my case.
Post by: Monty on November 07, 2022, 03:35:47 PM
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Post by: Risso on November 07, 2022, 03:51:14 PM
Post by: Smithy on November 07, 2022, 04:21:14 PM
McGinn has had a bad 12 months, I doubt anyone is going to dispute that, possibly going slightly backwards. But, like everyone else, he gets a clean slate now, and if he can perform well under a coach who doesn't see him primarily as cover for a marauding full-back, then who knows, we might have a really valuable player back on our hands.
Post by: Baldy on November 07, 2022, 06:10:42 PM
For now, he might have a role in the squad until Emery gets an upgrade. One example, 'man to man' marker. Next Thursday we play Man Utd again. This time they will have Bruno Fernandez who will improve them. Put McGinn on him, mark him out the game. SJM is more of a destroyer than a creator at this level of the game.
Currently, in my opinion, he is way down the pecking order from our existing midfield players and that area is also likely to strengthened within the next year. Cash in as soon as replacement found.
Great servant but time to move on and upwards.
Post by: Mister E on November 07, 2022, 06:26:27 PM
Some on here have had the knives out for McGinn - and I am certainly no fawning advocate of his - but he can still be part of a successful Premier League squad.
Post by: Drummond on November 07, 2022, 08:29:01 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on November 07, 2022, 09:17:35 PM
He was much better further forward when he came on yesterday. Don't think Emery will be dropping him back into a holding midfield role.
Yep. Got the ball with his back to goal a number of times and either spun the defender or got brought down. Still think he will be more than useful if he's played in the right role.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 07, 2022, 09:21:04 PM
We've just got a new manager, a 3-1 win, McGinn came on and did a job and we're here devoting loads of time to sys how shit he is? Fuck me.
Well, quite.
Post by: robleflaneur on November 07, 2022, 11:26:12 PM
Out wide or as a no 10 maybe but we have the potential inclusion of Sanson,Coutinho and next year,Aaron Ramsey, also the wide area looks where Emery might easily reinforce,especially from Villareal.
His backside would be a huge miss and he has played a pivotal role in our recent history but I think he could be a bargaining chip in getting a more expensive player.
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 07, 2022, 11:40:46 PM
We've just got a new manager, a 3-1 win, McGinn came on and did a job and we're here devoting loads of time to sys how shit he is? Fuck me.pity Emery if he doesn't win our next game,off with his head
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 09:08:12 PM
Fouls toward end of half was yet again reckless and needless.
To be fair around 68th minutes he started to show some prominence and improving now in match but still pondering on ball a lot.
He also continues to do strange fouls
As captain needs to be offering far more.
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2022, 10:13:42 PM
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Post by: Clampy on November 10, 2022, 10:28:23 PM
He needs to be sold as soon as the January transfer window opens. £5m to Wigan or somewhere back in Scotland. Anywhere, I don't care. Woeful.
Well, that did'nt take long.
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2022, 10:30:03 PM
He needs to be sold as soon as the January transfer window opens. £5m to Wigan or somewhere back in Scotland. Anywhere, I don't care. Woeful.
Well, that did'nt take long.
What were you expecting to read in a John McGinn thread, after he's given another godawful display, Clamps?
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 10, 2022, 10:30:34 PM
Post by: Clampy on November 10, 2022, 10:31:59 PM
He needs to be sold as soon as the January transfer window opens. £5m to Wigan or somewhere back in Scotland. Anywhere, I don't care. Woeful.
Well, that did'nt take long.
What were you expecting to read in a John McGinn thread, after he's given another godawful display, Clamps?
That you couldnt help yourself and he wasnt the only one?
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 10:32:51 PM
We've just got a new manager, a 3-1 win, McGinn came on and did a job and we're here devoting loads of time to sys how shit he is? Fuck me.
Well, quite.
And now. Can you see what many can see. Didn't particularly aid the cause as a starter or as captain versus Man Utd
Tielemans or Neves wins games and impacts them.
McGinns best achievement was not getting booked today.
Awful tragic and saw how lost he looked on the pitch as well as complete lack of stamina.
He's certainly not a captain
Young who is nearly 10 years old and puts him to shame and as club captain should be having armband over McGinn whenever on the pitch.
Back on the bench sunday McGinn
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 10, 2022, 10:33:28 PM
He needs to be sold as soon as the January transfer window opens. £5m to Wigan or somewhere back in Scotland. Anywhere, I don't care. Woeful.
Well, that did'nt take long.
What were you expecting to read in a John McGinn thread, after he's given another godawful display, Clamps?
That you couldnt help yourself and he wasnt the only one?
He was awful and nobody was pretending he was the only one
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 10, 2022, 10:34:38 PM
He’s not good enough for where we are going. He’s a trier which is all well and good but technically dreadful.Thank you TV. Good to know you know whats required
I know youre astute despite sometimes us having diiffering views
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 10, 2022, 10:36:12 PM
Would be amazed if he's still here in 12 months and we know by now his time as automatic starter finished as soon as Gerrard was sent packing.
Post by: PhilVill on November 10, 2022, 10:43:55 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2022, 10:46:13 PM
We've just got a new manager, a 3-1 win, McGinn came on and did a job and we're here devoting loads of time to sys how shit he is? Fuck me.
Well, quite.
And now. Can you see what many can see. Didn't particularly aid the cause as a starter or as captain versus Man Utd
Tielemans or Neves wins games and impacts them.
McGinns best achievement was not getting booked today.
Awful tragic and saw how lost he looked on the pitch as well as complete lack of stamina.
He's certainly not a captain
Young who is nearly 10 years old and puts him to shame and as club captain should be having armband over McGinn whenever on the pitch.
Back on the bench sunday McGinn
It doesn't really change the point Drummond made on Sunday, in that game he came on and did a job to help us beat them at home for the first time in 27 years, it was a truly bizarre time to give him shit.
Today he was shit, gave possession away too cheaply and looked miles off the pace. Tonight's criticism is perfectly reasonable.
Post by: Clampy on November 10, 2022, 11:04:59 PM
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Post by: SamTheMouse on November 10, 2022, 11:08:44 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on November 10, 2022, 11:15:30 PM
He was great for us in the Championship. Personally, I think that's his level.
Same here. I feel uncomfortable watching him nowadays. Unprofessional performance after unprofessional performance.
Looks out of shape.
Post by: paul_e on November 10, 2022, 11:17:33 PM
For me I don't think he's anything like as bad a player as some suggest but I also struggle to see where he fits under Emery other than as a sub to do a very specific job.
Post by: OzVilla on November 11, 2022, 12:29:13 AM
His metabolism and a lack of confidence have caught up with him.
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 12:29:52 AM
And there were rumours of 50 million bids from Man Utd last Summer. Be lucky to get half that now.
His metabolism and a lack of confidence have caught up with him.
£25m?! Not a chance.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 11, 2022, 12:53:02 AM
But it's the same people giving him the same shit. It's as if they can't help themselves and they accuse Footy of doing the same thing (which he does). No, he's not been his best and tonight, I forgot he was even on the pitch. He's been fantastic for us though. If he gets it back, great. If he dosent, then, thanks and goodbye.
When was the last time he was fantastic for us?
We’ve been waiting for him to perform for a long, long time, and people are saying we should be doing exactly what you say in your last sentence.
Post by: aj2k77 on November 11, 2022, 01:34:56 AM
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Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 11, 2022, 01:41:53 AM
Was surprised he wasn't hooked as he did look as if he was breathing through his arse in the last 15 minutes.I fully expected him to be the first one to go off.
Like many I think he has been really excellent for us in the past and I have been very reluctant to criticise him, but tonight he was truly awful and we carried him for over 90 minutes. Slow, sluggish, wasteful in possession and lunging into tackles like a pub player. If we want to progress we can't afford to do that.
Post by: Rory on November 11, 2022, 02:23:52 AM
And there were rumours of 50 million bids from Man Utd last Summer. Be lucky to get half that now.
His metabolism and a lack of confidence have caught up with him.
£25m?! Not a chance.
£10m would be a good result. We had a couple of very good years from him, but sadly the last 18 months have shown he just isn't quite up to it.
Sell him next summer and we should make a profit on him. I think he'd be perfect for a newly-promoted team, and it would give him the chance to play regularly as he enters what should be his peak years.
Post by: Ian. on November 11, 2022, 06:53:48 AM
But it's the same people giving him the same shit. It's as if they can't help themselves and they accuse Footy of doing the same thing (which he does). No, he's not been his best and tonight, I forgot he was even on the pitch. He's been fantastic for us though. If he gets it back, great. If he dosent, then, thanks and goodbye.
I don’t think it is the same people, I think a lot of people have been reluctant to say something in the hope he turns it around due to respect of what he’s been for us.
Unfortunately I don’t think it’s even down to form, he’s just not got the speed of thought or the skill set. Granted he will huff and puff like against Man City when our possession of the ball is lucky to be around 28% his effort will count and he will have a good game based on that desire of his, I just think people are realising as much as you they like him, a realisation is happening that it isn’t going to change.
Its the same with Mings, as much as I love him and we are a far better team with him at the moment, he’s not going to be the player we need to make the next step forward. Probably the same with Konsa.
The only difference with those two is currently they are our best two centre halves but we’ve got four or five players ahead of McGinn now.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 11, 2022, 08:41:00 AM
He’s a great Championship player but we are never going to prosper with him in the team at this level.
He doesn’t deserve abuse - which is why he’s not getting any - but ‘great guy’ sentiment is one of the first emotions we are going to have to ditch if we are serious about improving.
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2022, 09:22:30 AM
He came on at the weekend and immediately started giving the ball away. He spent the whole match doing that last night.
He’s a great Championship player but we are never going to prosper with him in the team at this level.
He doesn’t deserve abuse - which is why he’s not getting any - but ‘great guy’ sentiment is one of the first emotions we are going to have to ditch if we are serious about improving.
Yes, I love the bloke but he looks totally shot. Sansom needs to be in front of him now as 'first change', we need to see what he can do and he can't be any worse.
Post by: Drummond on November 11, 2022, 10:34:22 AM
The bigger question is whether or not he's good enough when he's on form.
Last season's stats had him placed really high in the whole division for tackles etc, I posted those stats a while back. That to me shows he's a good player; the main issue is his distribution and retention of the ball.
He has a specific skill set, gets stuck in and is an asset when he's on his game. Personally, I think it's too soon to write him off, even though I understand why many have. Gut feeling is that he got lost in Gerrard's system, and the captaincy did him no favours,i don't think he's the cleverest player either a d you can see him looking lost right now.
With Emery and his new team in place, I like to think they will focus on what's needed and that we'll see a big reset and upturn in form after the World Cup. If we don't, then perhaps in the summer it's time to move on, or accept being a squad player.
Post by: Martyn Smith on November 11, 2022, 10:37:16 AM
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 10:49:22 AM
He's really out of form right now, and I hope he turns that around.
The bigger question is whether or not he's good enough when he's on form.
Last season's stats had him placed really high in the whole division for tackles etc, I posted those stats a while back. That to me shows he's a good player; the main issue is his distribution and retention of the ball.
He has a specific skill set, gets stuck in and is an asset when he's on his game. Personally, I think it's too soon to write him off, even though I understand why many have. Gut feeling is that he got lost in Gerrard's system, and the captaincy did him no favours,i don't think he's the cleverest player either a d you can see him looking lost right now.
With Emery and his new team in place, I like to think they will focus on what's needed and that we'll see a big reset and upturn in form after the World Cup. If we don't, then perhaps in the summer it's time to move on, or accept being a squad player.
Kamara was number one in the Premier League for tackles before his injury. The big plus with him though is that he can pass the ball, and looks like he's got a hell of a lot of potential. Dendoncker is also a better tackler and a better passer of the ball. I think that in the two players I've mentioned, plus Luiz, Ramsey and Buendia, we have better options all round than McGinn. He's not very good at any one aspect of the game and the others are all better at specific things, eg Ramsey at running with the ball and scoring, Buendia at apotting 30 yard passes etc, Luiz at keeping things ticking over.
Post by: simboy on November 11, 2022, 11:07:40 AM
He's really out of form right now, and I hope he turns that around.
The bigger question is whether or not he's good enough when he's on form.
Last season's stats had him placed really high in the whole division for tackles etc, I posted those stats a while back. That to me shows he's a good player; the main issue is his distribution and retention of the ball.
He has a specific skill set, gets stuck in and is an asset when he's on his game. Personally, I think it's too soon to write him off, even though I understand why many have. Gut feeling is that he got lost in Gerrard's system, and the captaincy did him no favours,i don't think he's the cleverest player either a d you can see him looking lost right now.
With Emery and his new team in place, I like to think they will focus on what's needed and that we'll see a big reset and upturn in form after the World Cup. If we don't, then perhaps in the summer it's time to move on, or accept being a squad player.
Kamara was number one in the Premier League for tackles before his injury. The big plus with him though is that he can pass the ball, and looks like he's got a hell of a lot of potential. Dendoncker is also a better tackler and a better passer of the ball. I think that in the two players I've mentioned, plus Luiz, Ramsey and Buendia, we have better options all round than McGinn. He's not very good at any one aspect of the game and the others are all better at specific things, eg Ramsey at running with the ball and scoring, Buendia at apotting 30 yard passes etc, Luiz at keeping things ticking over.
Agreed. It's time for him to move on. Benefit all parties.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 11, 2022, 01:01:01 PM
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 01:02:39 PM
I think as an impact sub he has a role to play.
In what way, he hasn't had an impact for the best part of 18 months. You're never going to get a goal from him, so what's the point?
Post by: dave shelley on November 11, 2022, 01:06:33 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 11, 2022, 01:09:03 PM
With 5 subs his energy and hustle might be an option off the bench, but I might be clutching at straws.I think as an impact sub he has a role to play.
In what way, he hasn't had an impact for the best part of 18 months. You're never going to get a goal from him, so what's the point?
Post by: Axl Rose on November 11, 2022, 01:18:47 PM
Please sell. Hasn't played well since the Championship :D
Post by: Smirker on November 11, 2022, 01:33:35 PM
Terrible player.
Please sell. Hasn't played well since the Championship :D
I was a fan of Wee John for a long time but this is what I think now.
He's been poor for so long now. Overall his time and the transfer has been a success but the longer this goes on the worse fans will feel toward him.
Ask Celtic for £5m and let him go there.
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2022, 01:36:31 PM
Terrible player.
Please sell. Hasn't played well since the Championship :D
I was a fan of Wee John for a long time but this is what I think now.
He's been poor for so long now. Overall his time and the transfer has been a success but the longer this goes on the worse fans will feel toward him.
Ask Celtic for £5m and let him go there.
I'm glad your not in charge of our club if you'd sell an international midfielder for £5m. How ridiculous.
Post by: Mister E on November 11, 2022, 01:42:31 PM
I was surprised Sanson didn't get on the pitch at around 65 minutes last night: from the little we've seen, he looks like a footballing McGinn.He's really out of form right now, and I hope he turns that around.Kamara was number one in the Premier League for tackles before his injury. The big plus with him though is that he can pass the ball, and looks like he's got a hell of a lot of potential. Dendoncker is also a better tackler and a better passer of the ball. I think that in the two players I've mentioned, plus Luiz, Ramsey and Buendia, we have better options all round than McGinn. He's not very good at any one aspect of the game and the others are all better at specific things, eg Ramsey at running with the ball and scoring, Buendia at spotting 30 yard passes etc, Luiz at keeping things ticking over.
The bigger question is whether or not he's good enough when he's on form.
Last season's stats had him placed really high in the whole division for tackles etc, I posted those stats a while back. That to me shows he's a good player; the main issue is his distribution and retention of the ball.
He has a specific skill set, gets stuck in and is an asset when he's on his game. Personally, I think it's too soon to write him off, even though I understand why many have. Gut feeling is that he got lost in Gerrard's system, and the captaincy did him no favours,i don't think he's the cleverest player either a d you can see him looking lost right now.
With Emery and his new team in place, I like to think they will focus on what's needed and that we'll see a big reset and upturn in form after the World Cup. If we don't, then perhaps in the summer it's time to move on, or accept being a squad player.
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 01:51:10 PM
Terrible player.
Please sell. Hasn't played well since the Championship :D
I was a fan of Wee John for a long time but this is what I think now.
He's been poor for so long now. Overall his time and the transfer has been a success but the longer this goes on the worse fans will feel toward him.
Ask Celtic for £5m and let him go there.
I'm glad your not in charge of our club if you'd sell an international midfielder for £5m. How ridiculous.
Olsen is an international keeper. He’s not even worth that.
Post by: ozzjim on November 11, 2022, 01:54:56 PM
McGinn has a role. For me it's playing off a striker and initiating a high press, something I'm sure we'll see Emery try in the second half of the season. He can be terrific on his day, but his use of the ball over the last 18 months or more now has been dire.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 11, 2022, 02:50:07 PM
Post by: villadelph on November 11, 2022, 02:55:37 PM
He's worth a fiver for the comedy show though.
McGinn has a role. For me it's playing off a striker and initiating a high press, something I'm sure we'll see Emery try in the second half of the season. He can be terrific on his day, but his use of the ball over the last 18 months or more now has been dire.
He just has no idea how to play with tempo anymore. Every time the ball comes to him, he wants to shield off the nearest player with his backside and peel off of him to create the space. When really, he can just play a 3yd pass to JJ or Emi. He doesn't seem to "get it". The amount of attention Joe use to command would leave him with plenty of time and space.. not the case anymore. Its a shame, but I have no idea how he fits into this team when Kamara and Doug are showing that they're up for it and JJ, Leon and Ollie have the ability to get forward and create.
We should hold our nerve and get a decent sum for him. He is still admired around the league because they don't see him day in and day out.
Post by: Drummond on November 11, 2022, 02:57:24 PM
McGinn's stats are pretty damn good though, regardless of what people may feel they see.
From one-versus-one
He has scored 3 times after 38 match days in the season 2021/2022. This makes him the number 102 scorer in the Premier League so far. His conversion rate for shots to goals is 37.
John McGinn has 4 assists after 38 match days in the season 2021/2022. With these statistics he ranks number 41 in the Premier League. He also has a total of 26 chances created. With these statistics he ranks number 36 in the Premier League.
In season 2021/2022. He has won 57 aerial duels and 176 tackles. On top of this he made a total of 14 blocks. Based on these statistics after match day 38 he ranks on number 2 in the Premier League.
He is a Midfielder - Right central in Aston Villa. Within his team of Aston Villa he is currently ranked 1 best player of his team based on our 1vs1 Index Aston Villa.
Also.... McGinn won more tackles than any other Premier League player last season and won more fouls than anyone else bar Zaha. He was the 20th biggest threat going forwards too.
In summary he's an all-round player with a great attitude.
Part of the reason Mings lost it in my view is that he was top of the Yellow Card list last season (and his partner Konsa top of the Red Card list.)
I'm doing this again, because for some reason, people seem to want to make loads of crap up about him not being good enough for 18 months plus. These are last season's stats, under Gerrard, one of the worst managers we've ever had. Though for some reason, the people who defended Gerrard to the hilt want to have a go at McGinn.
The stats suggest he's great defensively, and not bad going forward, when he's playing well. And as has been said he's woefully out of form, but that doesn't make him shit forever.
Post by: Simon Page on November 11, 2022, 03:02:43 PM
Post by: villadelph on November 11, 2022, 03:17:19 PM
McGinn's stats are pretty damn good though, regardless of what people may feel they see.
From one-versus-one
He has scored 3 times after 38 match days in the season 2021/2022. This makes him the number 102 scorer in the Premier League so far. His conversion rate for shots to goals is 37.
John McGinn has 4 assists after 38 match days in the season 2021/2022. With these statistics he ranks number 41 in the Premier League. He also has a total of 26 chances created. With these statistics he ranks number 36 in the Premier League.
In season 2021/2022. He has won 57 aerial duels and 176 tackles. On top of this he made a total of 14 blocks. Based on these statistics after match day 38 he ranks on number 2 in the Premier League.
He is a Midfielder - Right central in Aston Villa. Within his team of Aston Villa he is currently ranked 1 best player of his team based on our 1vs1 Index Aston Villa.
Also.... McGinn won more tackles than any other Premier League player last season and won more fouls than anyone else bar Zaha. He was the 20th biggest threat going forwards too.
In summary he's an all-round player with a great attitude.
Part of the reason Mings lost it in my view is that he was top of the Yellow Card list last season (and his partner Konsa top of the Red Card list.)
I'm doing this again, because for some reason, people seem to want to make loads of crap up about him not being good enough for 18 months plus. These are last season's stats, under Gerrard, one of the worst managers we've ever had. Though for some reason, the people who defended Gerrard to the hilt want to have a go at McGinn.
The stats suggest he's great defensively, and not bad going forward, when he's playing well. And as has been said he's woefully out of form, but that doesn't make him shit forever.
We've all seen McGinn on his best day, and worryingly through the first third of the season he has been absolutely abysmal. We say his best position is a more advanced role as seen with Scotland, but all of the statistics provided above seem to suggest he's better defensively. At the moment, neither are true. He's not drawing the fouls that he used to, he's been irresponsible with the ball at his feet and he has been anonymous in the final third.
The club has to consider his current value and determine if that value will either continue to rise or begin to plateau and decrease. We cannot keep letting players leave for nothing or push them out of the setup with loan to buy deal at foreign clubs. If a decent offer comes in, it should absolutely be considered. His form is his responsibility.
Post by: Smirker on November 11, 2022, 03:18:41 PM
Terrible player.
Please sell. Hasn't played well since the Championship :D
I was a fan of Wee John for a long time but this is what I think now.
He's been poor for so long now. Overall his time and the transfer has been a success but the longer this goes on the worse fans will feel toward him.
Ask Celtic for £5m and let him go there.
I'm glad your not in charge of our club if you'd sell an international midfielder for £5m. How ridiculous.
He's an international for Scotland. Not Brazil.
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2022, 03:26:05 PM
Terrible player.
Please sell. Hasn't played well since the Championship :D
I was a fan of Wee John for a long time but this is what I think now.
He's been poor for so long now. Overall his time and the transfer has been a success but the longer this goes on the worse fans will feel toward him.
Ask Celtic for £5m and let him go there.
I'm glad your not in charge of our club if you'd sell an international midfielder for £5m. How ridiculous.
He's an international for Scotland. Not Brazil.
What kind of argument is that? There'd be a queue a mile long if we only wanted £5m for him.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 11, 2022, 03:29:45 PM
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2022, 03:33:50 PM
Post by: Smirker on November 11, 2022, 03:33:59 PM
Terrible player.
Please sell. Hasn't played well since the Championship :D
I was a fan of Wee John for a long time but this is what I think now.
He's been poor for so long now. Overall his time and the transfer has been a success but the longer this goes on the worse fans will feel toward him.
Ask Celtic for £5m and let him go there.
I'm glad your not in charge of our club if you'd sell an international midfielder for £5m. How ridiculous.
He's an international for Scotland. Not Brazil.
What kind of argument is that? There'd be a queue a mile long if we only wanted £5m for him.
Obviously that there is a difference between the Scotland squad and the Brazil one.
Would you want us to pay £5m for one of San Marino's midfielders, just on the basis they are an international? That's what you're suggesting.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 11, 2022, 03:38:29 PM
The answer is not 'let Celtic have him for £5m'.
So would you want us to sign him, and if so, for how much?
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2022, 03:45:31 PM
The answer is not 'let Celtic have him for £5m'.
So would you want us to sign him, and if so, for how much?
I've always liked him, so yes. As for how much, well I dont think £20m is unreasonable. I think we would easily fetch near to that.
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2022, 03:46:49 PM
Terrible player.
Please sell. Hasn't played well since the Championship :D
I was a fan of Wee John for a long time but this is what I think now.
He's been poor for so long now. Overall his time and the transfer has been a success but the longer this goes on the worse fans will feel toward him.
Ask Celtic for £5m and let him go there.
I'm glad your not in charge of our club if you'd sell an international midfielder for £5m. How ridiculous.
He's an international for Scotland. Not Brazil.
What kind of argument is that? There'd be a queue a mile long if we only wanted £5m for him.
Obviously that there is a difference between the Scotland squad and the Brazil one.
Would you want us to pay £5m for one of San Marino's midfielders, just on the basis they are an international? That's what you're suggesting.
I can't think of too many San Marino players in the top league in England can you?
Post by: Smirker on November 11, 2022, 03:56:22 PM
Terrible player.
Please sell. Hasn't played well since the Championship :D
I was a fan of Wee John for a long time but this is what I think now.
He's been poor for so long now. Overall his time and the transfer has been a success but the longer this goes on the worse fans will feel toward him.
Ask Celtic for £5m and let him go there.
I'm glad your not in charge of our club if you'd sell an international midfielder for £5m. How ridiculous.
He's an international for Scotland. Not Brazil.
What kind of argument is that? There'd be a queue a mile long if we only wanted £5m for him.
Obviously that there is a difference between the Scotland squad and the Brazil one.
Would you want us to pay £5m for one of San Marino's midfielders, just on the basis they are an international? That's what you're suggesting.
I can't think of too many San Marino players in the top league in England can you?
That wasn't what you said.
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I dont think £20m is unreasonable
You'd want us to sign McGinn for £20m? ;D
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2022, 03:59:27 PM
Yes, let's flog a player for £5m because he's out of form. I shouldnt laugh really.
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 04:07:20 PM
You bought up San Marino, nobody else.
Yes, let's flog a player for £5m because he's out of form. I shouldnt laugh really.
It's no more ludicrous than your suggestion of £20m. I think the realistic amount would be somewhere in the middle.
Post by: Smirker on November 11, 2022, 04:10:45 PM
You bought up San Marino, nobody else.
Yes, let's flog a player for £5m because he's out of form. I shouldnt laugh really.
Because you said international midfielders are worth more than £5m purely due to them being internationals.
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2022, 04:11:50 PM
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2022, 04:41:32 PM
I think we'd get more than £10m as well, especially the way transfer prices are nowadays. £20m is not that ludricrous. How much did Morgan Gibbs-White go for again?
£25m plus a load of add ons. Forest were paying silly money for potential though, as Chelsea were when they took Chukwuemeka off us. Older players who are out of favour at their current club tend not to go for as much. See Maupay to Everton for £15m, or Matt Targett to Newcastle for £12m.
Post by: eamonn on November 11, 2022, 04:47:34 PM
Post by: Rory on November 11, 2022, 11:25:46 PM
He loves Celtic and they love him, but they can't afford more than £5m so do them a favour and let wee John win some cups.
Depends. If somebody else were to offer closer to what he's currently worth (probably £8-12m) then balls to Celtic.
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 12, 2022, 11:15:28 AM
But he is just not good enough for this level. I think momentum from the promotion run carried him into the premier league and he looked decent for the first couple of months, but apart from the odd game he’s never looked at it since the ankle break. He was like a mad dog on Thursday, stopping round the pitch like a headless chicken, a booking or sending off waiting to happen, he got caught on the ball so many times, the awful cross that went straight out of play, when it was still 2-3 summed it all up.
I really don’t want my memories of SJM tarnished anymore and i think it would be good for all concerned if he was phased out of the team and sold in the summer.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 12, 2022, 12:26:23 PM
The Villa Podcast did a really good (funny as always) summary SJM yesterday, it very much summed up my feelings. I do love McGinn, that promotion side is one of my favourite Villa sides for a very long time, at least going back to early O’Neil. And in that team there was an axis of four players that were the heartbeat, Grealish, Mings, Abraham and McGinn. I will forever remember games away at Sheffield Wednesday when he was absolutely brilliant.
But he is just not good enough for this level. I think momentum from the promotion run carried him into the premier league and he looked decent for the first couple of months, but apart from the odd game he’s never looked at it since the ankle break. He was like a mad dog on Thursday, stopping round the pitch like a headless chicken, a booking or sending off waiting to happen, he got caught on the ball so many times, the awful cross that went straight out of play, when it was still 2-3 summed it all up.
I really don’t want my memories of SJM tarnished anymore and i think it would be good for all concerned if he was phased out of the team and sold in the summer.
I remember the ankle break and, while I had sympathy for him of course, I didn’t think we’d miss him much as he hadn’t been playing well.
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 12, 2022, 01:14:51 PM
The Villa Podcast did a really good (funny as always) summary SJM yesterday, it very much summed up my feelings. I do love McGinn, that promotion side is one of my favourite Villa sides for a very long time, at least going back to early O’Neil. And in that team there was an axis of four players that were the heartbeat, Grealish, Mings, Abraham and McGinn. I will forever remember games away at Sheffield Wednesday when he was absolutely brilliant.
But he is just not good enough for this level. I think momentum from the promotion run carried him into the premier league and he looked decent for the first couple of months, but apart from the odd game he’s never looked at it since the ankle break. He was like a mad dog on Thursday, stopping round the pitch like a headless chicken, a booking or sending off waiting to happen, he got caught on the ball so many times, the awful cross that went straight out of play, when it was still 2-3 summed it all up.
I really don’t want my memories of SJM tarnished anymore and i think it would be good for all concerned if he was phased out of the team and sold in the summer.
I remember the ankle break and, while I had sympathy for him of course, I didn’t think we’d miss him much as he hadn’t been playing well.
Fair enough, but i thought he was playing as well as anyone in a struggling side. There was a palpable murmur round the ground that day when he got injured, like a lot of people thought we’d lost an important player. Either way, he’s not good now and shouldn’t be anywhere other than the subs bench and should be moved on sooner rather than later with thanks for the promotion memories.
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 12, 2022, 02:32:46 PM
The Villa Podcast did a really good (funny as always) summary SJM yesterday, it very much summed up my feelings. I do love McGinn, that promotion side is one of my favourite Villa sides for a very long time, at least going back to early O’Neil. And in that team there was an axis of four players that were the heartbeat, Grealish, Mings, Abraham and McGinn. I will forever remember games away at Sheffield Wednesday when he was absolutely brilliant.I was shocked by the actual performance from him,
But he is just not good enough for this level. I think momentum from the promotion run carried him into the premier league and he looked decent for the first couple of months, but apart from the odd game he’s never looked at it since the ankle break. He was like a mad dog on Thursday, stopping round the pitch like a headless chicken, a booking or sending off waiting to happen, he got caught on the ball so many times, the awful cross that went straight out of play, when it was still 2-3 summed it all up.
I really don’t want my memories of SJM tarnished anymore and i think it would be good for all concerned if he was phased out of the team and sold in the summer.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 12, 2022, 03:10:09 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2022, 06:36:31 PM
Take him out of the squad, give the new manager time with him but don't sell now, it's a waste. There are others to get rid of before McGinn.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 12, 2022, 07:02:18 PM
So still people say he should be moved on, despite ranking 1st in the division in various stats last season.
First in the division in which stats?
Calories consumed?
Greggs' loyalty points?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 12, 2022, 07:13:31 PM
So still people say he should be moved on, despite ranking 1st in the division in various stats last season.
First in the division in which stats?
Calories consumed?
Greggs' loyalty points?
No need for that, I believe he was No. 1 for Iniesta puns.
Post by: coreyfeldman on November 12, 2022, 11:02:20 PM
So still people say he should be moved on, despite ranking 1st in the division in various stats last season. So far we've only played 14 games this under three managers. The first of which is the worst we've had in decades.
Take him out of the squad, give the new manager time with him but don't sell now, it's a waste. There are others to get rid of before McGinn.
Care to share the stats?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 12, 2022, 11:08:23 PM
2020/21 Premier League pie eating champion
2021/22 Premier League pie eating champion
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2022, 11:26:00 PM
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Post by: cdbearsfan on November 12, 2022, 11:54:51 PM
The people that fall over themselves to see how much they can abuse him are weirdos, IMO.
It's more an online phenomenon, I notice. He always gets serenaded when he comes on in matches.
Post by: coreyfeldman on November 13, 2022, 12:23:21 AM
The stat about being number one for tackles is fine, but look at the other players on that list and it's hardly an indicator of being a good player.
A bit like Deano, loved him for what he did to get us up and in the survival season but he's not very good and we need better players than him.
Post by: Risso on November 13, 2022, 12:50:59 AM
I still think he could be good enough, we will see how he does under a good manager. If he doesn't improve, he should still go with the best wishes of any Villa fan given his contribution to our revival and that, even when he's off form, nobody could ever question his commitment to the cause.
The people that fall over themselves to see how much they can abuse him are weirdos, IMO.
It's more an online phenomenon, I notice. He always gets serenaded when he comes on in matches.
He's been booed several times this season. I don't agree with that, but the idea that he hasn't had stick from the stands is plain wrong.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 13, 2022, 12:59:06 AM
Post by: Rory on November 13, 2022, 02:20:23 AM
I still think he could be good enough, we will see how he does under a good manager. If he doesn't improve, he should still go with the best wishes of any Villa fan given his contribution to our revival and that, even when he's off form, nobody could ever question his commitment to the cause.
The people that fall over themselves to see how much they can abuse him are weirdos, IMO.
It's more an online phenomenon, I notice. He always gets serenaded when he comes on in matches.
He's been booed several times this season. I don't agree with that, but the idea that he hasn't had stick from the stands is plain wrong.
Yeah, he doesn't deserve that. He always gives us 100%.
Not that I'm blaming Gerrard whatsoever, but maybe he gave him the captaincy thinking it would bring him to a whole new level. Sadly it did, but a level down.
I don't think he's been right since Grealish left.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 13, 2022, 02:57:08 AM
He's been totally pish for the best part of 2 seasons now and his limitations are there for all to see. However, he was part of the squad that turned the club around from being a load of half arsed, couldn't be bothered, last pay cheque no marks back in to professionals that cared about their performance and the club. He loved/loves the Villa and I myself feel a bit uncomfortable with some of the personal jibes about him. He might not be good enough anymore but I've a lot of respect for the job he did and the group that he helped forge that got us back stable. He is a bit crap though, yes.
All of this.
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2022, 06:23:25 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 13, 2022, 07:49:28 AM
He's been totally pish for the best part of 2 seasons now and his limitations are there for all to see. However, he was part of the squad that turned the club around from being a load of half arsed, couldn't be bothered, last pay cheque no marks back in to professionals that cared about their performance and the club. He loved/loves the Villa and I myself feel a bit uncomfortable with some of the personal jibes about him. He might not be good enough anymore but I've a lot of respect for the job he did and the group that he helped forge that got us back stable. He is a bit crap though, yes.
All of this.
Yes.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 13, 2022, 09:20:19 AM
ThirdedHe's been totally pish for the best part of 2 seasons now and his limitations are there for all to see. However, he was part of the squad that turned the club around from being a load of half arsed, couldn't be bothered, last pay cheque no marks back in to professionals that cared about their performance and the club. He loved/loves the Villa and I myself feel a bit uncomfortable with some of the personal jibes about him. He might not be good enough anymore but I've a lot of respect for the job he did and the group that he helped forge that got us back stable. He is a bit crap though, yes.
All of this.
Yes.
Post by: aldridgeboy on November 13, 2022, 01:06:52 PM
I have ( albeit dwindling) hope that the new manager, and his coaches , improve him and realise he’s better further up than where he’s playing.
Do I think it will happen ? No
Would I like it to happen? Hell yeah
Post by: aldridgeboy on November 13, 2022, 01:11:46 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 13, 2022, 01:29:04 PM
So still people say he should be moved on, despite ranking 1st in the division in various stats last season. So far we've only played 14 games this under three managers. The first of which is the worst we've had in decades.
Take him out of the squad, give the new manager time with him but don't sell now, it's a waste. There are others to get rid of before McGinn.
Care to share the stats?
I have three times on this thread already
Search stats Drummond and they'll appear fairly high in the results.
He had good stats in various areas last season. He's not a bad player, he's just woefully out of form. Why not give the new coaching team some time?
I guess there's always someone we have to moan about though.
Post by: Paul.S on November 13, 2022, 01:37:24 PM
He's been totally pish for the best part of 2 seasons now and his limitations are there for all to see. However, he was part of the squad that turned the club around from being a load of half arsed, couldn't be bothered, last pay cheque no marks back in to professionals that cared about their performance and the club. He loved/loves the Villa and I myself feel a bit uncomfortable with some of the personal jibes about him. He might not be good enough anymore but I've a lot of respect for the job he did and the group that he helped forge that got us back stable. He is a bit crap though, yes.
Well said.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 13, 2022, 02:47:22 PM
So far, using him as the runner and playing to his strengths has worked out well.
Excellent work, carry on till your subbed.
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His best 90 minutes for two years, today. Good to see.
Very much so. Did his job well today. I’ll forgive him that one pass to put Ramsey through in first half.
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It looked to me that he showed a decent bit of pace for the run that resulted in the penalty, that has to be good as he's never been known for his speed.
Yes. He was quick.
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Post by: Ian. on November 14, 2022, 08:04:22 AM
Maybe he was selected ahead of Dendonker today for this purpose, again is this Emery actually using the squad accordingly to fit the opposition?
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Post by: Drummond on November 15, 2022, 09:32:45 AM
He isn't the sort of player to win a match on his own, but can be a key piece in a system.
Post by: paul_e on November 15, 2022, 11:13:45 AM
He thrives in a good set up, it's. It always him losing the ball, and often when he does its because he's surrounded by opposition players. He tries the Hollywood pass too often though and that's when it can go wrong.
He isn't the sort of player to win a match on his own, but can be a key piece in a system.
The bold bit is a problem for me, in 2 ways.
Firstly he gets crowded out because of things he does. The use of his arse is fantastic at times but often it means he's not in a position to play a quick pass, which means players have time to get 'at' him. If we can work on that in training and get him making better choices on when to engage the arse it will give him a lot more time to look up.
Aside from that the number of times he gives the ball away when he misplaces a 10 yard pass needs to be addressed but this can be worked on in training and I'd hope will be something we see change fairly quickly.
I agree completely on the hollywood passes thing though, he just needs to be told to stop trying those, it isn't a strangth of his and I doubt it ever will be. It feels like this is something Gerrard pushed onto him because it's only become a big problem in the last year so I hope Emery and the coaches can take it back out of his game.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 15, 2022, 11:23:35 AM
He thrives in a good set up, it's. It always him losing the ball, and often when he does its because he's surrounded by opposition players. He tries the Hollywood pass too often though and that's when it can go wrong.
He isn't the sort of player to win a match on his own, but can be a key piece in a system.
The bold bit is a problem for me, in 2 ways.
Firstly he gets crowded out because of things he does. The use of his arse is fantastic at times but often it means he's not in a position to play a quick pass, which means players have time to get 'at' him. If we can work on that in training and get him making better choices on when to engage the arse it will give him a lot more time to look up.
Aside from that the number of times he gives the ball away when he misplaces a 10 yard pass needs to be addressed but this can be worked on in training and I'd hope will be something we see change fairly quickly.
I agree completely on the hollywood passes thing though, he just needs to be told to stop trying those, it isn't a strangth of his and I doubt it ever will be. It feels like this is something Gerrard pushed onto him because it's only become a big problem in the last year so I hope Emery and the coaches can take it back out of his game.
If they can't they'll be taking him out of the game. That might make him think more about trying the Hollywood pass all the time. His tenacity is welcome, his reckless tackling and giving the ball away isn't.
Post by: Risso on November 15, 2022, 11:25:46 AM
He thrives in a good set up, it's. It always him losing the ball, and often when he does its because he's surrounded by opposition players. He tries the Hollywood pass too often though and that's when it can go wrong.
He isn't the sort of player to win a match on his own, but can be a key piece in a system.
The bold bit is a problem for me, in 2 ways.
Firstly he gets crowded out because of things he does. The use of his arse is fantastic at times but often it means he's not in a position to play a quick pass, which means players have time to get 'at' him. If we can work on that in training and get him making better choices on when to engage the arse it will give him a lot more time to look up.
Aside from that the number of times he gives the ball away when he misplaces a 10 yard pass needs to be addressed but this can be worked on in training and I'd hope will be something we see change fairly quickly.
I agree completely on the hollywood passes thing though, he just needs to be told to stop trying those, it isn't a strangth of his and I doubt it ever will be. It feels like this is something Gerrard pushed onto him because it's only become a big problem in the last year so I hope Emery and the coaches can take it back out of his game.
He used to do it under Smith as well, and was probably more successful as he had more time on the ball when Grealish was playing, as teams tended to double up on him. Buendia's miles better at it, so McGinn needs to not try it so often. Buendia tends to play 25 yard balls to feet to people in space, whereas McGinn usually tries curling, lofted passes which are far easier for defenders to cut out.
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 15, 2022, 01:32:18 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 15, 2022, 01:39:31 PM
He thrives in a good set up, it's. It always him losing the ball, and often when he does its because he's surrounded by opposition players. He tries the Hollywood pass too often though and that's when it can go wrong.
He isn't the sort of player to win a match on his own, but can be a key piece in a system.
The bold bit is a problem for me, in 2 ways.
Firstly he gets crowded out because of things he does. The use of his arse is fantastic at times but often it means he's not in a position to play a quick pass, which means players have time to get 'at' him. If we can work on that in training and get him making better choices on when to engage the arse it will give him a lot more time to look up.
Aside from that the number of times he gives the ball away when he misplaces a 10 yard pass needs to be addressed but this can be worked on in training and I'd hope will be something we see change fairly quickly.
I agree completely on the hollywood passes thing though, he just needs to be told to stop trying those, it isn't a strangth of his and I doubt it ever will be. It feels like this is something Gerrard pushed onto him because it's only become a big problem in the last year so I hope Emery and the coaches can take it back out of his game.
My biggest issue is that he seemingly always receives the ball facing the wrong way and that time to control it and rotate means that a player or 2 are on him - then the big arse technique comes into play but refs nowadays are allowing play on when he looks for a foul. Once they regain possession the rest of our team is caught going forward and there is space behind us.
Post by: Drummond on November 17, 2022, 12:17:50 AM
Post by: eamonn on November 17, 2022, 01:49:14 AM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 17, 2022, 06:17:35 AM
He always scores for Scotland, they seem to facilitate him better. But as is often pointed out, international games are generally of a lower standard than the Prem.
He has now scored the same number of goals for Scotland as he has for us, in precisley 1/3 the number of games.
Villa. Played 156 Goals 15.
Scotland Played 52 Goals 15.
Post by: eamonn on November 17, 2022, 06:32:27 PM
Post by: Lizz on December 10, 2022, 05:48:52 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 10, 2022, 06:26:15 PM
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 10, 2022, 06:30:36 PM
He posted a photo in Instagram the other day in training, he's look a lot leaner. Which makes you wonder about the fitness regime under Gerrard.
Please tell me he hasn’t lost it from his arse
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 11, 2022, 06:47:36 PM
He posted a photo in Instagram the other day in training, he's look a lot leaner. Which makes you wonder about the fitness regime under Gerrard.
Please tell me he hasn’t lost it from his arse
Looking at the footage of his goal in Dubai he doesn't look any leaner to me. Still seems to have a bit of a gut on him.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 11, 2022, 07:09:27 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 11, 2022, 09:27:33 PM
Amazing what can happen when you get a player in his correct position!
Post by: Dogtanian on December 11, 2022, 10:16:17 PM
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2022, 10:34:06 AM
McGinn played well today.
Amazing what can happen when you get a player in his correct position!
What, midfield like he's always played?
Post by: Clampy on December 12, 2022, 10:52:19 AM
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2022, 11:04:11 AM
I see Risso's 'someone has said something positive about Mcginn' alarm has gone off.
I see that creepy stalker Clampy's "somebody's talked about McGinn in the McGinn thread" alarm has gone off again. I'm off to lock the front door and hide my bins.
Post by: Clampy on December 12, 2022, 11:11:47 AM
I see Risso's 'someone has said something positive about Mcginn' alarm has gone off.
I see that creepy stalker Clampy's "somebody's talked about McGinn in the McGinn thread" alarm has gone off again. I'm off to lock the front door and hide my bins.
My first post's on this thread for a month. Mcginn is not my daily obsession.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 12, 2022, 11:13:59 AM
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2022, 11:14:02 AM
I see Risso's 'someone has said something positive about Mcginn' alarm has gone off.
I see that creepy stalker Clampy's "somebody's talked about McGinn in the McGinn thread" alarm has gone off again. I'm off to lock the front door and hide my bins.
My first post's on this thread for a month. Mcginn is not my daily obsession.
Same here. Odd that, it's almost like the Premier League has been shut down for the World Cup. Anyway, I can see you in the bushes, bugger off or I'll set the dogs on you.
Post by: Clampy on December 12, 2022, 11:20:07 AM
I see Risso's 'someone has said something positive about Mcginn' alarm has gone off.
I see that creepy stalker Clampy's "somebody's talked about McGinn in the McGinn thread" alarm has gone off again. I'm off to lock the front door and hide my bins.
My first post's on this thread for a month. Mcginn is not my daily obsession.
Same here. Odd that, it's almost like the Premier League has been shut down for the World Cup. Anyway, I can see you in the bushes, bugger off or I'll set the dogs on you.
To be fair, it's best to test your alarm now and then, even when we're not playing.
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2022, 12:00:33 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 12, 2022, 03:51:41 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 13, 2022, 01:21:14 AM
His passing was better, as well.
Post by: Clampy on December 13, 2022, 08:45:52 AM
I think most people who saw the game would have seen McGinn playing further up the pitch, that's all.
His passing was better, as well.
I thought it was a reasonable enough observation.
Post by: eamonn on December 13, 2022, 11:49:33 AM
He has had a good haircut ( trying to keep it light and christmassy ) :)
Has he? He never grows it long which is just as well as I doubt it would suit him but I dunno what would constitute a good haircut. He's a meatball and that's that.
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 24, 2022, 12:21:39 AM
Flagging up the concern again as he could potentially miss a match due to his accumulation of yellow cards if he's booked again within the next two matches (Liverpool or Spurs) as he would have 5 for the season and he will be immediately subjected to a one-match suspension. He has up until the 19th game.
He's on a tightrope once more, endangering both himself and the team.
I sincerely hope that in the new he'll pick up less bookings when he's on the field.
Bailey and Ramsey are also on 4 yellow cards and would be suspended if they get booked before the Wolves match. however they don't concern me the way McGinn does. Though all 3 have picked up needless bookings McGinn consistently has done this now for a long while and any match can expect him to be close to getting booked which I don't think is great play by him
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 24, 2022, 10:19:08 AM
Post by: Steve67 on December 24, 2022, 12:12:47 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on December 25, 2022, 07:50:37 AM
No great loss.
This.
We'll be replacing him over the course of the next year, hopefully.
Post by: Mister E on December 25, 2022, 09:26:28 AM
Or, the Emery treatment works and he kicks on (not in the way that worries Footy).No great loss.This.
We'll be replacing him over the course of the next year, hopefully.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 01, 2023, 07:57:03 PM
Today though it's unfortunate that he can't maintain his fitness and has been pulled up with his hamstring.
It was difficult to watch him try to outpace players.
He simply does not have that ability against top- higher tier players.
Credit to him for playing well and maintaining excellent discipline to avoid being booked in two tough matches.
I've noticed he's lost some weight and had his hair cut, which is an overall improvement. Sorry to those backside worshippers those days are over. Emery doesn't have overweight plodders in his squads.
I'm sure he was told to improve and did so as he's an example as Captain. There's nothing impressive as best asset being a big backside and Emery and I don't entertain such lower league style players at Villa.
Congratulations, McGinn you're learning it's not just hustle and bustle and that the game is football.
Gerrard was far too encouraging for this hard work and aggressive applications of getting stuck in, whereas Emery recognises that he also understands football and has introduced some football intelligence into McGinn!
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 01, 2023, 08:00:16 PM
Oh Mr Gerrard what was you doing?
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 01, 2023, 10:35:40 PM
weird how all these shite midfielders are now no-longer shite.Very true!
Oh Mr Gerrard what was you doing?
Post by: Villafirst on January 02, 2023, 05:08:04 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 14, 2023, 04:52:59 PM
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 14, 2023, 04:56:11 PM
I can confirm that John (man of the people) McGinn was on Ryanair flight 5291 to Dublin this afternoon. As I was boarding I spotted a guy wearing a light blue 'Represent' hoodie but didn't clock it was him till the Villa fan behind me tapped me on the shoulder and told me. I'm no Eastie. :(
Did he need to book two seats, one for each arse cheek?
Post by: eamonn on January 14, 2023, 05:06:19 PM
I can confirm that John (man of the people) McGinn was on Ryanair flight 5291 to Dublin this afternoon. As I was boarding I spotted a guy wearing a light blue 'Represent' hoodie but didn't clock it was him till the Villa fan behind me tapped me on the shoulder and told me. I'm no Eastie. :(
Did you go over and have a chat? You don't strike me as the shy and retiring type...
Post by: usav on January 17, 2023, 02:44:52 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 17, 2023, 05:10:55 AM
Post by: Clampy on January 17, 2023, 08:06:18 AM
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 09:20:09 AM
He said in his interview on Friday he’s not back for a ‘few weeks’.
I think Emery said in the last pre-match press conference that it was going to be '1-2 months'.
Post by: Ger Regan on January 17, 2023, 09:26:21 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2023, 10:11:26 AM
He said in his interview on Friday he’s not back for a ‘few weeks’.
I think Emery said in the last pre-match press conference that it was going to be '1-2 months'.
Interested to know why our captain is going to a party city like Dublin when he's bored and injured.
On Sky Sports Friday Night Football, McGinn said he was bored; he also indicated Emery goes on a bit in team meetings. Well, McGinn deserves to give Emery a bit of respect. And there's a good reason Emery goes on; he covers all the details!
I can confirm that John (man of the people) McGinn was on Ryanair flight 5291 to Dublin this afternoon. As I was boarding I spotted a guy wearing a light blue 'Represent' hoodie but didn't clock it was him till the Villa fan behind me tapped me on the shoulder and told me. I'm no Eastie. :(
He shouldn't be taken to flying away for weekends in Dublin when injured unless it's for business of rehabilitation, or a personal matter. If it's for some jolly, then that's just plain wrong. This isn't professional, in my book, and could be the beginning of the end. I don't think Emery will be pleased.
Post by: Clampy on January 17, 2023, 10:22:10 AM
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 10:24:06 AM
As one of his critics on here, even I acknowledge that he has improved so far under Emery. At the very least, I think he will be a useful squad member for a season or two.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 17, 2023, 10:25:40 AM
Post by: Bully2345 on January 17, 2023, 10:38:48 AM
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 10:43:27 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 17, 2023, 10:55:36 AM
I can confirm that John (man of the people) McGinn was on Ryanair flight 5291 to Dublin this afternoon. As I was boarding I spotted a guy wearing a light blue 'Represent' hoodie but didn't clock it was him till the Villa fan behind me tapped me on the shoulder and told me. I'm no Eastie. :(
Do you see what you've done now? I hope you're proud of yourself.
Post by: Axl Rose on January 17, 2023, 10:56:38 AM
He said in his interview on Friday he’s not back for a ‘few weeks’.
I think Emery said in the last pre-match press conference that it was going to be '1-2 months'.
Interested to know why our captain is going to a party city like Dublin when he's bored and injured.
On Sky Sports Friday Night Football, McGinn said he was bored; he also indicated Emery goes on a bit in team meetings. Well, McGinn deserves to give Emery a bit of respect. And there's a good reason Emery goes on; he covers all the details!I can confirm that John (man of the people) McGinn was on Ryanair flight 5291 to Dublin this afternoon. As I was boarding I spotted a guy wearing a light blue 'Represent' hoodie but didn't clock it was him till the Villa fan behind me tapped me on the shoulder and told me. I'm no Eastie. :(
He shouldn't be taken to flying away for weekends in Dublin when injured unless it's for business of rehabilitation, or a personal matter. If it's for some jolly, then that's just plain wrong. This isn't professional, in my book, and could be the beginning of the end. I don't think Emery will be pleased.
Yawn yawn and yawn again
Post by: Clampy on January 17, 2023, 11:01:30 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2023, 11:01:48 AM
He's supposed to be managing a hamstring.
Maybe he hears Guendouzi is inbound and has gone off on one.
Of course players can do with their time accordingly but the captain being injured hoping on a cheap flight screams of something peculiar to me
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 17, 2023, 11:15:13 AM
Yeah well doesn't make any sense to be travelling especially in low class flights, without I imagine much leg space. At least he had the decency not to set up photos of him at the airport.
He's supposed to be managing a hamstring.
Maybe he hears Guendouzi is inbound and has gone off on one.
Of course players can do with their time accordingly but the captain being injured hoping on a cheap flight screams of something peculiar to me
He's not flying to Australia, he's going to Dublin where once the plane gets to the correct flying altitude the seat belt fasten sign comes on for the descent to Dublin airport.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2023, 11:15:56 AM
Christ al-fucking-mighty, I'm not the biggest fan of McGinn the player, but that's utterly ridiculous. Where players go in their time off is completely their business, and there are loads of reasons to go to Ireland other than to 'party'. By bored, he means bored of not playing, that much was very obvious. Do you want a professional footballer to be happy that they're sat round watching rather than playing? There are many reasons McGinn might start to get less playing time, but getting a flight to Dublin isn't one of them....Dublin is renowned for its vibrant nightlife and atmosphere. Thats known. Anyway had my say will leave it be but I'm suitability unimpressed and disappointed if there isn't a good reason.
Post by: AV82EC on January 17, 2023, 11:24:43 AM
Christ al-fucking-mighty, I'm not the biggest fan of McGinn the player, but that's utterly ridiculous. Where players go in their time off is completely their business, and there are loads of reasons to go to Ireland other than to 'party'. By bored, he means bored of not playing, that much was very obvious. Do you want a professional footballer to be happy that they're sat round watching rather than playing? There are many reasons McGinn might start to get less playing time, but getting a flight to Dublin isn't one of them....Dublin is renowned for its vibrant nightlife and atmosphere. Thats known. Anyway had my say will leave it be but I'm suitability unimpressed and disappointed if there isn't a good reason.
I’m sure John will be suitably cut up about your disapproval.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 17, 2023, 11:29:03 AM
There is more to Dublin than drinking
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 11:32:07 AM
Dublin is renowned for its vibrant nightlife and atmosphere. Thats known. Anyway had my say will leave it be but I'm suitability unimpressed and disappointed if there isn't a good reason.
Blimey, who knew? You'll be telling us that we had a Colombian player called Juan Pablo Angel next.
You do realise you almost certainly won't know if there was a good reason or not? He could be going over to get absolutely hammered in Copper Face Jacks and chat up some nurses (or maybe that was just me in the mid 90s) or he could going to a funeral/wedding, or just to see some sights in the beautiful Emerald Isle.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2023, 11:33:39 AM
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 11:33:57 AM
There is more to Dublin than drinking
Indeed, there are leprechauns, shamrock, Guinness... horses running through council estates... toothless simpletons... people with eyebrows on their cheeks... badly tarmacked drives, in this country... uh, men in platform shoes being arrested for bombings... lots of rocks, and, uh, Beamish.
Post by: Villan82 on January 17, 2023, 11:35:38 AM
Christ al-fucking-mighty, I'm not the biggest fan of McGinn the player, but that's utterly ridiculous. Where players go in their time off is completely their business, and there are loads of reasons to go to Ireland other than to 'party'. By bored, he means bored of not playing, that much was very obvious. Do you want a professional footballer to be happy that they're sat round watching rather than playing? There are many reasons McGinn might start to get less playing time, but getting a flight to Dublin isn't one of them....Dublin is renowned for its vibrant nightlife and atmosphere. Thats known. Anyway had my say will leave it be but I'm suitability unimpressed and disappointed if there isn't a good reason.
Stereotype much? I wonder would you come out with this if we heard he visited another European capital like Paris or Berlin? Maybe he has family there, maybe he has business there, maybe he is taking a city break. Dublin is renowned for culture- museums, galleries, music and is a major tech hub. McGinn doesn't answer to you Mr high and mighty
Post by: Dave on January 17, 2023, 11:37:45 AM
There is more to Dublin than drinking
"Dere's more to Ireland dan dis"
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 17, 2023, 11:38:59 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2023, 11:47:50 AM
Christ al-fucking-mighty, I'm not the biggest fan of McGinn the player, but that's utterly ridiculous. Where players go in their time off is completely their business, and there are loads of reasons to go to Ireland other than to 'party'. By bored, he means bored of not playing, that much was very obvious. Do you want a professional footballer to be happy that they're sat round watching rather than playing? There are many reasons McGinn might start to get less playing time, but getting a flight to Dublin isn't one of them....Dublin is renowned for its vibrant nightlife and atmosphere. Thats known. Anyway had my say will leave it be but I'm suitability unimpressed and disappointed if there isn't a good reason.
Stereotype much? I wonder would you come out with this if we heard he visited another European capital like Paris or Berlin? Maybe he has family there, maybe he has business there, maybe he is taking a city break. Dublin is renowned for culture- museums, galleries, music and is a major tech hub. McGinn doesn't answer to you Mr high and mighty
I made me point and I've moved on. As I said.
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 12:04:18 PM
Anyway all this Dublin chat makes me want a weekend away , who is in ?? ;D
John McGinn! Shots, shots shots!
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 12:04:38 PM
There is more to Dublin than drinking
"Dere's more to Ireland dan dis"
Far too slow!
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 17, 2023, 12:07:46 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2023, 12:14:11 PM
Jaysus some of you lot are so feckin miserable it's unreal. Mind your own
Eh?
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 17, 2023, 12:19:57 PM
Anyway all this Dublin chat makes me want a weekend away , who is in ?? ;DIs Footy coming?
Post by: dave shelley on January 17, 2023, 12:27:09 PM
Yeah well doesn't make any sense to be travelling especially in low class flights, without I imagine much leg space. At least he had the decency not to set up photos of him at the airport.
He's supposed to be managing a hamstring.
Maybe he hears Guendouzi is inbound and has gone off on one.
Of course players can do with their time accordingly but the captain being injured hoping on a cheap flight screams of something peculiar to me
He's not flying to Australia, he's going to Dublin where once the plane gets to the correct flying altitude the seat belt fasten sign comes on for the descent to Dublin airport.
And if there's a tail wind it's only 35 minutes, not even time for a good crap.
I have him locked up down here pedaling away on an exercise bike.*
* Not really, we don't have an exercise bike.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 17, 2023, 12:36:11 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2023, 12:36:23 PM
Yeah well doesn't make any sense to be travelling especially in low class flights, without I imagine much leg space. At least he had the decency not to set up photos of him at the airport.
He's supposed to be managing a hamstring.
Maybe he hears Guendouzi is inbound and has gone off on one.
Of course players can do with their time accordingly but the captain being injured hoping on a cheap flight screams of something peculiar to me
He's not flying to Australia, he's going to Dublin where once the plane gets to the correct flying altitude the seat belt fasten sign comes on for the descent to Dublin airport.
And if there's a tail wind it's only 35 minutes, not even time for a good crap.
I have him locked up down here pedaling away on an exercise bike.*
* Not really, we don't have an exercise bike.
I hope you've removed all access to the booze though.
Post by: dave shelley on January 17, 2023, 12:38:20 PM
Yeah well doesn't make any sense to be travelling especially in low class flights, without I imagine much leg space. At least he had the decency not to set up photos of him at the airport.
He's supposed to be managing a hamstring.
Maybe he hears Guendouzi is inbound and has gone off on one.
Of course players can do with their time accordingly but the captain being injured hoping on a cheap flight screams of something peculiar to me
He's not flying to Australia, he's going to Dublin where once the plane gets to the correct flying altitude the seat belt fasten sign comes on for the descent to Dublin airport.
And if there's a tail wind it's only 35 minutes, not even time for a good crap.
I have him locked up down here pedaling away on an exercise bike.*
* Not really, we don't have an exercise bike.
I hope you've removed all access to the booze though.
Not to worry Drummond, our booze bottles are in a high kitchen unit, he wouldn't be able to reach.
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2023, 12:39:05 PM
Yeah well doesn't make any sense to be travelling especially in low class flights, without I imagine much leg space. At least he had the decency not to set up photos of him at the airport.
He's supposed to be managing a hamstring.
Maybe he hears Guendouzi is inbound and has gone off on one.
Of course players can do with their time accordingly but the captain being injured hoping on a cheap flight screams of something peculiar to me
He's not flying to Australia, he's going to Dublin where once the plane gets to the correct flying altitude the seat belt fasten sign comes on for the descent to Dublin airport.
And if there's a tail wind it's only 35 minutes, not even time for a good crap.
I have him locked up down here pedaling away on an exercise bike.*
* Not really, we don't have an exercise bike.
I hope you've removed all access to the booze though.
Not to worry Drummond, our booze bottles are in a high kitchen unit, he wouldn't be able to reach.
You'd better not have a galley kitchen either, his arse might get stuck.
Post by: dave shelley on January 17, 2023, 12:44:26 PM
Yeah well doesn't make any sense to be travelling especially in low class flights, without I imagine much leg space. At least he had the decency not to set up photos of him at the airport.
He's supposed to be managing a hamstring.
Maybe he hears Guendouzi is inbound and has gone off on one.
Of course players can do with their time accordingly but the captain being injured hoping on a cheap flight screams of something peculiar to me
He's not flying to Australia, he's going to Dublin where once the plane gets to the correct flying altitude the seat belt fasten sign comes on for the descent to Dublin airport.
And if there's a tail wind it's only 35 minutes, not even time for a good crap.
I have him locked up down here pedaling away on an exercise bike.*
* Not really, we don't have an exercise bike.
I hope you've removed all access to the booze though.
Not to worry Drummond, our booze bottles are in a high kitchen unit, he wouldn't be able to reach.
You'd better not have a galley kitchen either, his arse might get stuck.
Ha ha ☺️
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 17, 2023, 12:45:51 PM
Victim card alert. I can sense someone will be threatening us with yet another self imposed sabbatical.Easiest is to just block him.
Post by: CT Villan on January 17, 2023, 12:52:48 PM
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 12:53:17 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2023, 01:01:36 PM
God knows what he'd have made of Carew.
Bannan, Hendrie, Grealish, Barry, Collymore, Daley, Mings, Charles, Merson, Herd, Collins, Dunne, Delph......
Post by: paul_e on January 17, 2023, 01:02:31 PM
God knows what he'd have made of Carew.
Bannan, Hendrie, Grealish, Barry, Collymore, Daley, Mings, Charles, Merson, Herd, Collins, Dunne, Delph......
Well we know what he thinks of Grealish, we suffered his opiions there for a logn time.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 17, 2023, 01:05:16 PM
God knows what he'd have made of Carew.
Bannan, Hendrie, Grealish, Barry, Collymore, Daley, Mings, Charles, Merson, Herd, Collins, Dunne, Delph......
Well we know what he thinks of Grealish, we suffered his opiions there for a logn time.
Though to be fair...
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 17, 2023, 01:07:34 PM
even a broken clock is right some timesGod knows what he'd have made of Carew.
Bannan, Hendrie, Grealish, Barry, Collymore, Daley, Mings, Charles, Merson, Herd, Collins, Dunne, Delph......
Well we know what he thinks of Grealish, we suffered his opiions there for a logn time.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2023, 01:09:39 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2023, 01:11:52 PM
Post by: Risso on January 17, 2023, 01:17:37 PM
Is it a coincidence for McGinn to do his hamstring? When he must have been suffering fatigue. Rest and recuperation is what's needed for him.
They'd just had a month off for the World Cup. Please do stop making stuff up, it makes you look very stupid.
Post by: brontebilly on January 17, 2023, 01:25:29 PM
Christ al-fucking-mighty, I'm not the biggest fan of McGinn the player, but that's utterly ridiculous. Where players go in their time off is completely their business, and there are loads of reasons to go to Ireland other than to 'party'. By bored, he means bored of not playing, that much was very obvious. Do you want a professional footballer to be happy that they're sat round watching rather than playing? There are many reasons McGinn might start to get less playing time, but getting a flight to Dublin isn't one of them....Dublin is renowned for its vibrant nightlife and atmosphere. Thats known. Anyway had my say will leave it be but I'm suitability unimpressed and disappointed if there isn't a good reason.
Pretty cold out too, hope John won't be exposing his hamstrings to the elements on this trip.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 17, 2023, 01:28:06 PM
Is it a coincidence for McGinn to do his hamstring? When he must have been suffering fatigue. Rest and recuperation is what's needed for him.
Honestly do you read what you’ve written a second time before hitting post? You do realize he is surrounded by health professionals. And he’s a grown man. I think he can make some pretty informed decisions without your expertise on his need for rest and recuperation.
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2023, 01:34:43 PM
Dublin is mostly about the drinking, and be careful using the Luas at night centrally, plenty of ne'er-do-wells about.
Post by: Villan For Life on January 17, 2023, 01:35:55 PM
Is it a coincidence for McGinn to do his hamstring? When he must have been suffering fatigue. Rest and recuperation is what's needed for him.
Honestly do you read what you’ve written a second time before hitting post? You do realize he is surrounded by health professionals. And he’s a grown man. I think he can make some pretty informed decisions without your expertise on his need for rest and recuperation.
Fatigue? He's just has several weeks off for the world cup. Players get injured regardless of alleged "lifestyle" issues, of which you have no proof.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 17, 2023, 01:37:20 PM
Is it a coincidence for McGinn to do his hamstring? When he must have been suffering fatigue. Rest and recuperation is what's needed for him.
Honestly do you read what you’ve written a second time before hitting post? You do realize he is surrounded by health professionals. And he’s a grown man. I think he can make some pretty informed decisions without your expertise on his need for rest and recuperation.
Fatigue? He's just has several weeks off for the world cup. Players get injured regardless of alleged "lifestyle" issues, of which you have no proof.
You balls up the quote
Post by: LukeJames on January 17, 2023, 01:47:47 PM
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 17, 2023, 01:55:55 PM
I can confirm that John (man of the people) McGinn was on Ryanair flight 5291 to Dublin this afternoon. As I was boarding I spotted a guy wearing a light blue 'Represent' hoodie but didn't clock it was him till the Villa fan behind me tapped me on the shoulder and told me. I'm no Eastie. :(
Did you go over and have a chat? You don't strike me as the shy and retiring type...
I'm not but I don't go up to celebrities as I'm sure they get pestered enough. The only one I've spoken to was Ronnie Wood and that's only because he was standing beside me at LHR T1.
One of the Villa fans got a picture with SJM in WH Smith's and said he was sound. No one heeded him or his lady friend on the plane even though there 40-50 Villa fans on board.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 17, 2023, 01:56:40 PM
Dublin is renowned for its vibrant nightlife and atmosphere. Thats known. Anyway had my say will leave it be but I'm suitability unimpressed and disappointed if there isn't a good reason.
I may be mistaken but pretty sure when I passed he was booking tickets for the The Book of Kells tour and had a brochure for the Hugh Lane gallery in his lap. It should also be remembered that "Guinness is good for you' as long as you don't overdo it.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 17, 2023, 01:56:58 PM
There is more to Dublin than drinking
Indeed, there are leprechauns, shamrock, Guinness... horses running through council estates... toothless simpletons... people with eyebrows on their cheeks... badly tarmacked drives, in this country... uh, men in platform shoes being arrested for bombings... lots of rocks, and, uh, Beamish.
Please leave me out of this.
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 17, 2023, 02:02:02 PM
Post by: Clampy on January 17, 2023, 02:07:09 PM
Have we hung, drawn and quartered him yet?
No need to, he's just taking another break from the site.
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 17, 2023, 02:07:55 PM
Like it, very funnyHave we hung, drawn and quartered him yet?
No need to, he's just taking another break from the site.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 17, 2023, 02:55:29 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2023, 04:40:37 PM
I can confirm that John (man of the people) McGinn was on Ryanair flight 5291 to Dublin this afternoon. As I was boarding I spotted a guy wearing a light blue 'Represent' hoodie but didn't clock it was him till the Villa fan behind me tapped me on the shoulder and told me. I'm no Eastie. :(
Did you go over and have a chat? You don't strike me as the shy and retiring type...
I'm not but I don't go up to celebrities as I'm sure they get pestered enough. The only one I've spoken to was Ronnie Wood and that's only because he was standing beside me at LHR T1.
One of the Villa fans got a picture with SJM in WH Smith's and said he was sound. No one heeded him or his lady friend on the plane even though there 40-50 Villa fans on board.
So, womanising too, it's a disgrace.
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2023, 05:08:14 PM
Have we hung, drawn and quartered him yet?
No need to, he's just taking another break from the site.
A bit cruel, I thought. If it weren't for Footy and Flintstone, H&V would be GroupThink.
Post by: Mister E on January 17, 2023, 05:25:35 PM
You're soooo right, eamonn ;DA bit cruel, I thought. If it weren't for Footy and Flintstone, H&V would be GroupThink.Have we hung, drawn and quartered him yet?No need to, he's just taking another break from the site.
Post by: Bad English on January 17, 2023, 05:54:13 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2023, 09:47:45 PM
Have we hung, drawn and quartered him yet?
No need to, he's just taking another break from the site.
A bit cruel, I thought. If it weren't for Footy and Flintstone, H&V would be GroupThink.
Well the think bit is right.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 17, 2023, 09:52:09 PM
God knows what he'd have made of Carew.
Probably something like ‘we once had a Norwegian striker called John Carew’.
Post by: adrenachrome on January 17, 2023, 10:08:48 PM
I bet you McGinn is attending a seminar on Odyssean déconstruction in Finnegan's Wake.
In fact, he is attending Strange Atmospheres, The Seventh International Flann O’Brien Conference.
"The conference title, ‘Strange Atmospheres,’ foregrounds a concept that sits uneasily on the semantic boundary between environment, embodied space, and mood. Often bending to the fantastic, the uncanny, the fake and unconvincing, O’Brien’s style is itself characterised by a constant apprehension of the ways in which the atmospheric and the literary fertilise each other. The symposium will provide the occasion to reflect more fully on these aspects of his work."
I believe Super John is presenting a paper on "At Swim Two Birds".
Fair play, so.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 19, 2023, 08:25:13 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2023, 05:09:52 PM
Trust Is he back from Dublin in good fettle post bender as some of this parish were insinuating?Not fit enough.
Tomorrow at home to Leicester and as I expect many would have suspected McGinn won't be in the starting 11.
Emery has already announced this in his press conference -which is telling.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 03, 2023, 05:14:40 PM
Trust Is he back from Dublin in good fettle post bender as some of this parish were insinuating?Not fit enough.
Tomorrow at home to Leicester and as I expect many would have suspected McGinn won't be in the starting 11.
Emery has already announced this in his press conference -which is telling.
Digne is fit now too. If he’s not playing tomorrow, what is ‘telling’ about that?
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2023, 05:30:29 PM
2 things which were notable regards McGinn and Digne on team news in the available to view presser:Trust Is he back from Dublin in good fettle post bender as some of this parish were insinuating?Not fit enough.
Tomorrow at home to Leicester and as I expect many would have suspected McGinn won't be in the starting 11.
Emery has already announced this in his press conference -which is telling.
Digne is fit now too. If he’s not playing tomorrow, what is ‘telling’ about that?
1. "John McGinn is not first in my mind for starting eleven" direct quote Emery
2. When asked Emery had to actually be prompted to even be reminded about Digne and his availability . As he clearly seen to have not really paid much thought to him
If you see the presser you can see him hesitate pause and goo hmmm say who ? Ahh Digne..and making hand gestures of do I even care about this player though.
So yeah very telling
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 03, 2023, 05:49:08 PM
2 things which were notable regards McGinn and Digne on team news in the available to view presser:Trust Is he back from Dublin in good fettle post bender as some of this parish were insinuating?Not fit enough.
Tomorrow at home to Leicester and as I expect many would have suspected McGinn won't be in the starting 11.
Emery has already announced this in his press conference -which is telling.
Digne is fit now too. If he’s not playing tomorrow, what is ‘telling’ about that?
1. "John McGinn is not first in my mind for starting eleven" direct quote Emery
2. When asked Emery had to actually be prompted to even be reminded about Digne and his availability . As he clearly seen to have not really paid much thought to him
If you see the presser you can see him hesitate pause and goo hmmm say who ? Ahh Digne..and making hand gestures of do I even care about this player though.
So yeah very telling
So he went to Dublin?
Post by: eamonn on February 03, 2023, 05:53:21 PM
Post by: Clampy on February 03, 2023, 05:55:00 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 03, 2023, 05:59:48 PM
Did Dion ever go to Dublin?
He must have been to Harare, one of my Zimbabwean friend's surname is Dube which isn't uncommon there.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2023, 06:02:42 PM
I can only presume the reason why he's not starting tomorrow is because he's been out injured and throwing him back in unnecessarily wouldnt be wise. Pretty simple really.Ramsey is back fit now though wasn't Ginny just a place holder?
And is he displacing Luiz or Kamara?
Because starting wise where does he fit in now?
Post by: Clampy on February 03, 2023, 06:04:34 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 07, 2023, 11:35:31 AM
Since he was not involved in the loss to Leicester and would be ideal for shackling our Jack* against Man City, I'm keeping an eye on whether he will be included against Man City. Ginny would certainly work deployed on the right, it would be a really strong move to match him there against Grealish*.
*I do wonder if Grealish may have an agreement where he's either asked if he wants to play versus us anytime he has to play. Since he moved he doesn't play or gets limited minutes against Villa
I think a clause wouldn't be the case but an agreement on his suitable head space as it's a lot playing against us.
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2023, 12:03:37 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 07, 2023, 12:06:52 PM
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2023, 12:10:04 PM
*I do wonder if Grealish may have an agreement where he's either asked if he wants to play versus us anytime he has to play. Since he moved he doesn't play or gets limited minutes against Villa
I think a clause wouldn't be the case but an agreement on his suitable head space as it's a lot playing against us.
No.
1) As if Pep Guardiola would ever agree to a clause like that
2) He doesn't play much against anybody
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 07, 2023, 12:14:34 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 07, 2023, 12:15:55 PM
Not a clause more an agreement.
*I do wonder if Grealish may have an agreement where he's either asked if he wants to play versus us anytime he has to play. Since he moved he doesn't play or gets limited minutes against Villa
I think a clause wouldn't be the case but an agreement on his suitable head space as it's a lot playing against us.
No.
1) As if Pep Guardiola would ever agree to a clause like that
2) He doesn't play much against anybody
Don't forget Deano asked players if they were ok to play again.
Players get asked a lot more about if they are ok to play than the MON days.
There's welfare checks and fitness checks.
Though some managers disagreed or disregard the fitness data and don't listen to the sport science.
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2023, 12:33:36 PM
Post by: brontebilly on February 07, 2023, 12:36:57 PM
Think he will start v Man City and put the conspiracy theory to bed.
Post by: john e on February 07, 2023, 12:55:47 PM
It would be nice though wouldn't it, having a job where your gaffer rings up the night before and tells you that it's up to you whether you turn up the next day or not, he'll pay you either way :-)
In fairness my job is like that
But then I am self employed
Post by: WarszaVillan on February 07, 2023, 01:10:37 PM
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2023, 02:23:27 PM
I do think we need McGinn back in the team. He adds energy that is lacking when he is not there and helps to press the opposition back. He has played well under Emery so far.
The obvious thing would be to replace Ramsey, who's been below par.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 07, 2023, 02:43:25 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on February 07, 2023, 03:40:48 PM
I think it's clear Emery doesn't seem him as an option in the (somewhat) holding two any more, with the Donk as first reserve. That's a positive.
Think he will start v Man City and put the conspiracy theory to bed.
There you go.
Keep the wee fellah away from our final third and let him loose when the situation merits.
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2023, 03:43:37 PM
I think it's clear Emery doesn't seem him as an option in the (somewhat) holding two any more, with the Donk as first reserve. That's a positive.
Think he will start v Man City and put the conspiracy theory to bed.
There you go.
Keep the wee fellah away from our final third and let him loose when the situation merits.
Hopefully he'll get involved in a spat with Guardiola where he rinses him over dressing like a tech startup bro, or how he looks like an actual bellend in a polar neck jumper
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2023, 03:48:59 PM
I think it's clear Emery doesn't seem him as an option in the (somewhat) holding two any more, with the Donk as first reserve. That's a positive.
Think he will start v Man City and put the conspiracy theory to bed.
There you go.
Keep the wee fellah away from our final third and let him loose when the situation merits.
Hopefully he'll get involved in a spat with Guardiola where he rinses him over dressing like a tech startup bro, or how he looks like an actual bellend in a polar neck jumper
LeeB was this many years old when somebody pointed out it's polo neck.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 07, 2023, 03:50:04 PM
I think it's clear Emery doesn't seem him as an option in the (somewhat) holding two any more, with the Donk as first reserve. That's a positive.
Think he will start v Man City and put the conspiracy theory to bed.
There you go.
Keep the wee fellah away from our final third and let him loose when the situation merits.
Hopefully he'll get involved in a spat with Guardiola where he rinses him over dressing like a tech startup bro, or how he looks like an actual bellend in a polar neck jumper
LeeB was this many years old when somebody pointed out it's polo neck.
He's probably just tired after spending hours earlier counting up his rental income from his property empire.
In his caravan.
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2023, 03:58:23 PM
I think it's clear Emery doesn't seem him as an option in the (somewhat) holding two any more, with the Donk as first reserve. That's a positive.
Think he will start v Man City and put the conspiracy theory to bed.
There you go.
Keep the wee fellah away from our final third and let him loose when the situation merits.
Hopefully he'll get involved in a spat with Guardiola where he rinses him over dressing like a tech startup bro, or how he looks like an actual bellend in a polar neck jumper
LeeB was this many years old when somebody pointed out it's polo neck.
It's a fair cop, I blame my mom who pronounced it as such.
Unlike yourself, I don't wear them every single day and in bed so I've never had cause to search for such items.
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2023, 04:00:20 PM
Unlike yourself, I don't wear them every single day and in bed so I've never had cause to search for such items.
They look great with a smoking jacket amd sock suspenders though, you should try it.
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2023, 04:05:05 PM
I think it's clear Emery doesn't seem him as an option in the (somewhat) holding two any more, with the Donk as first reserve. That's a positive.
Think he will start v Man City and put the conspiracy theory to bed.
There you go.
Keep the wee fellah away from our final third and let him loose when the situation merits.
Hopefully he'll get involved in a spat with Guardiola where he rinses him over dressing like a tech startup bro, or how he looks like an actual bellend in a polar neck jumper
LeeB was this many years old when somebody pointed out it's polo neck.
He's probably just tired after spending hours earlier counting up his rental income from his property empire.
In his caravan.
On the subject of said property, my mom was minding her own business there Sunday evening when she got a knock at the door to find several policemen at the door, and a lot more outside, looking for someone by a name that hasn't lived there since I've owned the place. They clearly had been misled and apologised, but the one copper said they were contemplating knocking the door down beforehand, probably didn't as it's quite a nice respectable courtyard. She spoke to the lady upstairs today who is a civillian police worker and she said the officers outside were armed!
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2023, 04:07:47 PM
Unlike yourself, I don't wear them every single day and in bed so I've never had cause to search for such items.
They look great with a smoking jacket amd sock suspenders though, you should try it.
Thanks mate, I'm going to need therapy now
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 07, 2023, 04:15:06 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2023, 04:19:21 PM
An armed raid at one of his many properties, and he thinks the smoking jacket is why he needs therapy. THEY'RE CLOSING IN ON YOU LEE! Have you never seen Scarface?!
I checked the WMP twitter feed, they nabbed two lads in the early hours of yesterday morning in an armed raid.
The face swap operation was a success, I think I'm in the clear
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 07, 2023, 04:22:59 PM
An armed raid at one of his many properties, and he thinks the smoking jacket is why he needs therapy. THEY'RE CLOSING IN ON YOU LEE! Have you never seen Scarface?!
I checked the WMP twitter feed, they nabbed two lads in the early hours of yesterday morning in an armed raid.
The face swap operation was a success, I think I'm in the clear
I'm sure you have ways of making sure they don't sing. Turning off the karaoke machine at the caravan park, for one.
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2023, 04:29:03 PM
Post by: wince on February 07, 2023, 04:44:52 PM
I think it's clear Emery doesn't seem him as an option in the (somewhat) holding two any more, with the Donk as first reserve. That's a positive.
Think he will start v Man City and put the conspiracy theory to bed.
There you go.
Keep the wee fellah away from our final third and let him loose when the situation merits.
Hopefully he'll get involved in a spat with Guardiola where he rinses him over dressing like a tech startup bro, or how he looks like an actual bellend in a polar neck jumper
LeeB was this many years old when somebody pointed out it's polo neck.
Brilliant! he will be minted now!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 07, 2023, 05:56:46 PM
Hopefully he'll get involved in a spat with Guardiola where he rinses him over dressing like a tech startup bro, or how he looks like an actual bellend in a polar neck jumper
LeeB was this many years old when somebody pointed out it's polo neck.
Whatever way Lee wants to spell 'polo' they're still shite. I believe the Italians call them 'dolcevita' in a vain attempt to make them more palatable but even they can't make them look good.
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2023, 07:49:26 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/rxqjB2W/Screenshot-2023-02-07-at-19-48-18.png) (https://ibb.co/rxqjB2W)
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2023, 08:49:28 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/PYrFQq5/alan-p-9a0d50e.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PYrFQq5)
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 07, 2023, 08:55:53 PM
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 07, 2023, 09:09:05 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 07, 2023, 09:19:52 PM
Steve McQueen says you're wrong.
Steve McQueen could have made a Small Heath shirt look half-decent. The polo neck just makes him look less cool than usual (even with Neile Adams hanging out of him).
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 11:15:02 AM
Post by: Ian. on February 12, 2023, 11:16:30 AM
Ginny must start today as he can curtail Grealish!
Think he will. It wouldn’t surprise me to see one up top and Bailey being replaced by him.
Post by: Risso on February 12, 2023, 11:23:11 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 11:30:29 AM
Maybe Dendoncker will be deployed in team too but after Stevenage he has to have learnt.
Post by: Zouch Villa on February 12, 2023, 11:50:35 AM
Ginny must start today as he can curtail Grealish!
Yeah, she could have him under her spell:
(https://i.ibb.co/jw5DrVh/DC2-B2-E4-D-0-FCB-4095-B25-F-511461-FFA3-EE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jw5DrVh)
Post by: Mister E on February 12, 2023, 12:19:08 PM
That Rhodri is one of most annoying footballers hope Ginny sorts him out too.Didn't Rhodri play for Wales in the 6 Nations yesterday?
Maybe Dendoncker will be deployed in team too but after Stevenage he has to have learnt.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 12:55:37 PM
Only bodes well for later!
Sunday Best.
Post by: adrenachrome on February 12, 2023, 01:58:52 PM
Ginny's on the chronic
He can do it all
But does he really wannit
Post by: pablo_picasso on February 12, 2023, 02:03:56 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 12, 2023, 02:12:39 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 12, 2023, 02:16:37 PM
Im not sure if there is anything more that I despise about modern day football is fans & media using nicknames for players they have never met & will never meet, like they are old school bestest buddies... My 'non' favourite is Alexander-Arnold being called "Trent" by all & sundry. Just use his surname. Its almost as annoying as having stupid nicknames on the backs of players shirts. Just because Dele Alli's first name looks like Pele, all of a sudden we have all sorts of random words on players shirts. Surnames only should be allowed on the backs of shirts. Rant over...
Couldn't agree more regarding Alexander-Arnold. The worst culprit is Jamie Carragher, who is the only TV pundit who is too lazy to pronunce the second syllable in Bruyne (Kevin de). Oddly though, he never seems to refer to us simply as Villa, only ever as Aston Villa (as if there is some other Villa with whom he does not wish to confuse us).
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 03:40:08 PM
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.
Post by: Axl Rose on February 12, 2023, 03:41:10 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.
Isn't he coming back from an injury though, Footy? I think he'll be on at some point today.
Post by: Clampy on February 12, 2023, 03:59:01 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.
You also insisted Grealish wouldn't start. Why don't you stop trying to be a know all?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 12, 2023, 04:00:12 PM
To be fair, people probably type Trent because they can’t be arsed with typing his surname. I know I did on perhaps one occasion I wanted to say something about him.
It's a fair point but I don't recall anyone calling Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink just 'Jan'.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 12, 2023, 04:04:07 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.
You also insisted Grealish wouldn't start. Why don't you just stop
^Alternatively…
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 12, 2023, 04:05:03 PM
Ok sorry. I was wrong on that interesting to see how they both do today.And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.
You also insisted Grealish wouldn't start. Why don't you stop trying to be a know all?
Sad to see him against us.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2023, 04:24:51 PM
To be fair, people probably type Trent because they can’t be arsed with typing his surname. I know I did on perhaps one occasion I wanted to say something about him.
It's a fair point but I don't recall anyone calling Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink just 'Jan'.
Or even more efficient, "Of"
Post by: Risso on February 13, 2023, 12:27:53 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.
Why is Moreno not starting then, especially as Emery bought him? Did he go on an imagined drinking spree to a European capital as well?
Post by: LeeB on February 13, 2023, 12:30:20 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.
Why is Moreno not starting then, especially as Emery bought him? Did he go on an imagined drinking spree to a European capital as well?
Had a three course lunch then fell asleep during Thursday afternoon's seminar on 'optimising transitions', Emery was livid.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 13, 2023, 04:06:13 PM
Since then, I've learned that McGinn's trip was with his fiancée, so it was probably less boisterous. However, I wonder if McGinn would have been better off staying home to get back to fitness or if travelling to see some Spanish culture in order to get closer to El Maestro.And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.
Why is Moreno not starting then, especially as Emery bought him? Did he go on an imagined drinking spree to a European capital as well?
Had a three course lunch then fell asleep during Thursday afternoon's seminar on 'optimising transitions', Emery was livid.
I have given Moreno some thought now you ask, so perhaps he is adjusting to his new home and all the family arrangements so he won't always be fully ready to play the full 90 minutes so we have Digne and they shared duties because say Moreno has to be excused for a team meeting but not for lunches as they either have own chef and the club provide meals in the complex. Nutritionist are on hand but more for the settling in period. We have a luxury of having two left backs. The Moreno family are all settling in so maybe Emery is giving him that sort of space and time.
Things like that need to be considered, especially for a new signing in the middle of the season. Also he can catch up with Emery over tapas and all in Spanish too so will be at an advantage.
I mean I don't know full picture of course.
Many football players nap in the afternoon though. Furthermore, it need not originate from siestas culture as players here in England have a sleep or massage after training. I would not be liking a player who is falling asleep at a team briefing that's really unprofessional but surely that's unlikely.
Post by: Drummond on February 13, 2023, 04:15:44 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 13, 2023, 04:19:07 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 13, 2023, 04:23:30 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.
Why is Moreno not starting then, especially as Emery bought him? Did he go on an imagined drinking spree to a European capital as well?
Had a three course lunch then fell asleep during Thursday afternoon's seminar on 'optimising transitions', Emery was livid.
He's Spanish and they love their siestas, don't they? Hopefully one of aspect of Spanish culture that SJM doesn't take on board.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 13, 2023, 04:36:15 PM
Since then, I've learned that McGinn's trip was with his fiancée, so it was probably less boisterous.And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.
Why is Moreno not starting then, especially as Emery bought him? Did he go on an imagined drinking spree to a European capital as well?
Had a three course lunch then fell asleep during Thursday afternoon's seminar on 'optimising transitions', Emery was livid.
So you reckon he's a gentle lover then, and not a fan of the sort of thing Stefan Postma was into?
Post by: AV82EC on February 13, 2023, 05:13:55 PM
Since then, I've learned that McGinn's trip was with his fiancée, so it was probably less boisterous.And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.
Why is Moreno not starting then, especially as Emery bought him? Did he go on an imagined drinking spree to a European capital as well?
Had a three course lunch then fell asleep during Thursday afternoon's seminar on 'optimising transitions', Emery was livid.
So you reckon he's a gentle lover then, and not a fan of the sort of thing Stefan Postma was into?
Oh good, we haven’t had a pegging tangent on a thread for a while.
Post by: adrenachrome on February 13, 2023, 06:44:16 PM
Post by: Beard82 on February 13, 2023, 06:58:40 PM
I know - its a right royal shameSince then, I've learned that McGinn's trip was with his fiancée, so it was probably less boisterous.And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.
Why is Moreno not starting then, especially as Emery bought him? Did he go on an imagined drinking spree to a European capital as well?
Had a three course lunch then fell asleep during Thursday afternoon's seminar on 'optimising transitions', Emery was livid.
So you reckon he's a gentle lover then, and not a fan of the sort of thing Stefan Postma was into?
Oh good, we haven’t had a pegging tangent on a thread for a while.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 13, 2023, 07:25:20 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.
Any idea when this 'football' is going to start, we've had a few weeks without McGinn - unless it's a black tie event and I've completely misread your post?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 13, 2023, 07:27:12 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.
What the fuck is this Dublin trip nonsense that you're STILL going on about?
Post by: dave shelley on February 13, 2023, 07:28:51 PM
Post by: Risso on February 13, 2023, 07:33:32 PM
I was actually walking through Temple Bar yesterday, the little bugger ducked into a doorway when he saw me coming.
He'd slept in that doorway all night, covered in his own vomit, shouting "Emery youse fucking bastard, youse!"
Post by: adrenachrome on February 13, 2023, 08:30:50 PM
I was actually walking through Temple Bar yesterday, the little bugger ducked into a doorway when he saw me coming.
He'd slept in that doorway all night, covered in his own vomit, shouting "Emery youse fucking bastard, youse!"
When Manc Moaner and Racist Shitbag Morris Sea wrote his seminal song "Meatball is Murder!", he wasn't kidding around. Just sayin'.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 13, 2023, 08:35:24 PM
And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.
What the fuck is this Dublin trip nonsense that you're STILL going on about?
i am waiting for the book to come out
Post by: eamonn on February 14, 2023, 02:32:12 PM
I was actually walking through Temple Bar yesterday, the little bugger ducked into a doorway when he saw me coming.
What did you shout at him, "Come here, ya little bollix" ?
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 18, 2023, 09:56:57 AM
Very Good. Smart casual.And people scoffed at Dublin trip.
Well I championed McGinn to start but he's really looking like a non starter
Under football.
Any idea when this 'football' is going to start, we've had a few weeks without McGinn - unless it's a black tie event and I've completely misread your post?
football is something to make a song and a dance about.
Post by: LeeB on February 18, 2023, 11:13:14 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on February 18, 2023, 11:22:23 PM
Thought John had his best game for yonks today, really good
Agreed.
He did his thing, and we would have been well further fucked if he didn't.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 19, 2023, 03:37:51 AM
Yes , the midfield was v good until we changed it.Thought John had his best game for yonks today, really good
Agreed.
He did his thing, and we would have been well further fucked if he didn't.
The worry is what was happening behind them.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 19, 2023, 12:54:36 PM
Well the basics.Thought John had his best game for yonks today, really good
Agreed.
He did his thing, and we would have been well further fucked if he didn't.
The fundamentals, then.
Yet its contrary to what I've noticed, as hes confused with the football. He was possibly the weakest part of a fantastic first half. Made a few recovery tackles but appears completely clueless and must carefully choose how to pass he ball. We can observe the activity in his brain. He seemed to continually have to consider where he should be on the field and was somewhat anonymous for the majority of the game.
It is extremely obvious to me that he is struggling, and I have a strong suspicion that he is someone who struggles to advance under Emery's guidance and to maintain control of the ball and discipline in his duties
Good luck to him in his attempts to impress and improve, nevertheless, I have my doubts because he has been trained in a far different manner throughout his career than what has been requested of him, and I don't think his thinking or character can change. This is applicable to a lot of individuals in the team who have not received training in this manner, such as Ramsy Watkins, Konsa and Mings but to me they sound much more enthusiastic and at least tried to show and be eager to make improvements, and they all have articles on the state of things.
McGinn, who is always making jokes, I believe insulted Emery by describing what he does in team meetings as "going on" and "We do lots of long meetings but if we are winning and getting results then it’s worth it."
Contrastingly to Mings, who says attention to detail.
"It is easy to hold people’s focus in a long meeting when everything you’re saying has a purpose"
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 19, 2023, 12:57:29 PM
This is a senior pro who needs to be far more serious and known his strengths the sort of comments he makes for his job aren't acceptable especially if captain. Emery is proper professional and expects same focus from players which will ultimately improve them
"I don’t really mind what position I play in, the manager asked me when he came in if I had a preference but as a football player, the preference is anywhere on the park and not the bench"
At least he has perhaps understood a bit more about his body shape in instruction when recieving the ball but that's going to take a bit of work
Emery improves players its up to McGinn to start learning as come the busy summer plans he be further down the team or out of the club completely. He's a place holder in this team and squad for an upgrade in my eyes and will take me and I'm sure Emery a lot of convincing he belongs in Villa midfield in the way we want to possession the ball moving forward next season.
Intriguing 15 games ahead for McGinn.
Post by: eamonn on February 19, 2023, 01:11:05 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 19, 2023, 01:14:44 PM
It's more the principles when injured to be resting and recuperating rather than swanning off over Europe
No doubt a dilemma so will give him credit.
But then have to give him some grace if that only time he could get away.
Post by: Clampy on February 19, 2023, 01:17:37 PM
Re Dublin We established he was with his fiancé and perhaps a recreation for impending wedding.
It's more the principles when injured to be resting and recuperating rather than swanning off over Europe
No doubt a dilemma so will give him credit.
But then have to give him some grace if that only time he could get away.
I'm glad he's got your approval as to why he was there. This is important.
Post by: Tayls_7 on February 19, 2023, 01:20:29 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 19, 2023, 01:25:18 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 19, 2023, 02:22:07 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 20, 2023, 01:51:51 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 20, 2023, 02:57:40 PM
Post by: Risso on February 20, 2023, 04:22:40 PM
McIndublin more like.
TenpintsofguinessandabigMacIndublin more like.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 20, 2023, 04:34:49 PM
McIndublin more like.
TenpintsofguinessandabigMacIndublin more like.
Who, Super John or Footy?
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 20, 2023, 06:27:28 PM
Mclovin more like considering his marriage proposal!McIndublin more like.
TenpintsofguinessandabigMacIndublin more like.
Who, Super John or Footy?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 20, 2023, 06:29:59 PM
Mclovin more like considering his marriage proposal!McIndublin more like.
TenpintsofguinessandabigMacIndublin more like.
Who, Super John or Footy?
Congratulations!
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 21, 2023, 10:11:50 AM
Such banter won't occur under Emery since masterclass on the training pitch and in the analysis room will devote more time to teaching football strategy than to joking around.
Imagine McGinn pulling that stunt under Emery.
Post by: Baldy on February 21, 2023, 10:15:23 AM
On one occasion, McGinn drove Cashy's car and parked it in the centre of the practise field before training. To get him back prank for prank.
Such banter won't occur under Emery since masterclass on the training pitch and in the analysis room will devote more time to teaching football strategy than to joking around.
Imagine McGinn pulling that stunt under Emery.
Emery would ram the car up McGinn's arse. There would be plenty of parking space!! :)
Post by: LeeB on February 21, 2023, 10:32:54 AM
On one occasion, McGinn drove Cashy's car and parked it in the centre of the practise field before training. To get him back prank for prank.
Such banter won't occur under Emery since masterclass on the training pitch and in the analysis room will devote more time to teaching football strategy than to joking around.
Imagine McGinn pulling that stunt under Emery.
Did any of this happen outside of your head?
Post by: eamonn on February 21, 2023, 10:48:47 AM
On one occasion, McGinn drove Cashy's car and parked it in the centre of the practise field before training. To get him back prank for prank.
Such banter won't occur under Emery since masterclass on the training pitch and in the analysis room will devote more time to teaching football strategy than to joking around.
Imagine McGinn pulling that stunt under Emery.
Emery would ram the car up McGinn's arse. There would be plenty of parking space!! :)
Good grief!
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 21, 2023, 11:41:42 AM
On one occasion, McGinn drove Cashy's car and parked it in the centre of the practise field before training. To get him back prank for prank.
Such banter won't occur under Emery since masterclass on the training pitch and in the analysis room will devote more time to teaching football strategy than to joking around.
Imagine McGinn pulling that stunt under Emery.
Did any of this happen outside of your head?
Shame on you, LeeB! Shame on you!
Meatballs said it in an interview when asked about pranks! Actually!
And he also talked about bantering with Sean Dyche and his coat, but that then Burnley's boss made a comment first, and he came back with something, but it was reported as one-sided.
McIneista antics are scottish folklore
Post by: Risso on February 21, 2023, 11:49:47 AM
Shame on you, LeeB! Shame on you!
Meatballs said it in an interview when asked about pranks! Actually!
And he also talked about bantering with Sean Dyche and his coat, but that then Burnley's boss made a comment first, and he came back with something, but it was reported as one-sided.
McIneista antics are scottish folklore
It's Iniesta by the way, you need to brush up on your Spanish.
Post by: eamonn on February 21, 2023, 01:15:34 PM
Post by: john e on February 21, 2023, 02:21:36 PM
On one occasion, McGinn drove Cashy's car and parked it in the centre of the practise field before training. To get him back prank for prank.
Such banter won't occur under Emery since masterclass on the training pitch and in the analysis room will devote more time to teaching football strategy than to joking around.
Imagine McGinn pulling that stunt under Emery.
Did any of this happen outside of your head?
I think you need to bow to the font of superior information mate
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 25, 2023, 05:10:20 PM
I had noticed his poor positional play time and time again in the first half, leaving far too much space open for Cashy. He appeared to be lost as he drifted inside or committed careless fouls.
He made direct running in the second half and contributed to both goals.
He didn't have a consistent 90-minute performance, but he got better and better to my trained eye after the restart, even if he was still finding his way on his responsibility and keeping shape in the team.
Well played McIniesta.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 25, 2023, 05:12:55 PM
I have to applaud the captain's performance in the second half today and writing specifically to do so.
I had noticed his poor positional play time and time again in the first half, leaving far too much space open for Cashy. He appeared to be lost as he drifted inside or committed careless fouls.
He made direct running in the second half and contributed to both goals.
He didn't have a consistent 90-minute performance, but he got better and better to my trained eye after the restart, even if he was still finding his way on his responsibility and keeping shape in the team.
Well played McIniesta.
Haha, trained eye. When did you do your badges?
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 25, 2023, 05:23:41 PM
CubsI have to applaud the captain's performance in the second half today and writing specifically to do so.
I had noticed his poor positional play time and time again in the first half, leaving far too much space open for Cashy. He appeared to be lost as he drifted inside or committed careless fouls.
He made direct running in the second half and contributed to both goals.
He didn't have a consistent 90-minute performance, but he got better and better to my trained eye after the restart, even if he was still finding his way on his responsibility and keeping shape in the team.
Well played McIniesta.
Haha, trained eye. When did you do your badges?
Post by: adrenachrome on February 25, 2023, 05:36:52 PM
Meatball did his stuff. Again. I just don't think you understand.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 25, 2023, 07:39:35 PM
Involved in both goals.
Post by: Bad English on February 25, 2023, 07:45:14 PM
Haha! They're taking the piss nowI have to applaud the captain's performance in the second half today and writing specifically to do so.
I had noticed his poor positional play time and time again in the first half, leaving far too much space open for Cashy. He appeared to be lost as he drifted inside or committed careless fouls.
He made direct running in the second half and contributed to both goals.
He didn't have a consistent 90-minute performance, but he got better and better to my trained eye after the restart, even if he was still finding his way on his responsibility and keeping shape in the team.
Well played McIniesta.
Haha, trained eye. When did you do your badges?
Post by: eamonn on February 25, 2023, 07:49:22 PM
Post by: Risso on February 25, 2023, 07:55:14 PM
Captain Clueless.
Well played McIniesta.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 25, 2023, 08:06:27 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 25, 2023, 08:13:58 PM
You need to get Team Footy to be a bit more consistent in their output.Foul play!Captain Clueless.Well played McIniesta.
I called him clueless in the first half.
By the end of the game, he had demonstrated otherwise and was rightfully praised for how much he improved in the second half.
It's all there in my writings.
I'm having to defend myself like Prince Harry and his taliban comments as its just the same agenda by your mob by quoting out of context.
Extremely unjust.
Down with this sort of thing.
I'm on strike to further notice!
Post by: Drummond on February 25, 2023, 09:27:58 PM
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Post by: brontebilly on February 26, 2023, 12:10:17 AM
Post by: LeonW on February 26, 2023, 02:17:21 AM
To be honest I thought he found the pace of the game a bit much today. Lowest number of touches by an outfield player apparently (source some stats guru on twatter). Was thinking maybe the Donk should have been coming on and move Luiz over. But he was brilliant in winning the peno and got the assist for the second.
It was a bit frenetic at points and McGinn was in an advanced position where he would see less of the ball. But when he got it, he didn’t waste it. He did well in his off the ball work and obviously played his part in the goals.
Post by: London Villan on February 26, 2023, 06:50:51 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on February 26, 2023, 10:17:38 AM
He found lots of space and changed the direction of attacking moves on a few occasions. He looked good.
Agreed, also thought he managed to offer Cash a bit more protection in the second half meaning it reduced their main attacking option.
Post by: Mister E on February 26, 2023, 11:01:36 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 26, 2023, 11:07:57 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 05, 2023, 09:58:33 AM
My theory tells me this is because he takes some time to grasp the strategy before settling and playing football rather than his own way of playing that he's been use to for so many years.
He's almost back to being as good as Super John McGinn if he can put on a 90-minute show. He's definitely needs to work on his decisions and composure in the box and he can actually score.
Well done McGinn he's wanting to take things on board and he'll only improve by doing so.
Post by: Drummond on March 05, 2023, 08:09:46 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 05, 2023, 08:13:07 PM
Regarding McGinn my observations tell me he's getting better in the second half of matches. That is mow 2 matches in a row he's shown up and finished strongly.
My theory tells me this is because he takes some time to grasp the strategy before settling and playing football rather than his own way of playing that he's been use to for so many years.
Maybe, but it's more likely that it's due to the copious amounts of Guinness he had in Dublin.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 05, 2023, 08:37:15 PM
Ramsey appeared, from highlights, to be more like his old self yesterday ...
He is better when able to run at the opposition through the middle . Technically think he struggles in tight areas with passes
Post by: Rory on March 06, 2023, 01:36:53 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/jJCdm75/20230304-224919.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jJCdm75)
Bravearse
Post by: Axl Rose on March 06, 2023, 03:31:55 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 06, 2023, 04:23:02 AM
Ramsey appeared, from highlights, to be more like his old self yesterday ...I thought he was disappointing, a few runs but failed to pick out passes to players in good positions.
Should have been subbed earlier.
Post by: sid1964 on March 06, 2023, 06:24:30 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 11, 2023, 09:23:37 AM
Interview and article with the Villa midfielder on Football Focus.
(Excused if people are boycotting BBC sport at the moment and apologies)
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2023, 09:47:20 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 11, 2023, 10:31:34 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64901699Alex Scott and other pundits have pulled out of presenting the Football Focus and Final Score programmes, in solidarity with Gary Lineker, the BBC understands.
Interview and article with the Villa midfielder on Football Focus.
(Excused if people are boycotting BBC sport at the moment and apologies)
The former Arsenal player, who has presented the popular Saturday show since 2021, pulled out just a few hours before it was due to go on air.
Post by: brontebilly on March 12, 2023, 05:40:34 PM
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Post by: nigel on March 14, 2023, 07:40:30 AM
Excellent again today.
He’s becoming Super again
Post by: Chap on March 14, 2023, 08:02:29 AM
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 14, 2023, 08:11:23 AM
Post by: Baldy on March 14, 2023, 08:26:20 AM
Goes to show what proper coaching can do!
Absolutely.
Unai has brought more 'calmness' and less 'chaos' into McGinn's game.
I take my hat off to SJM, I thought he might be one who would struggle with the new style of play.
Long may it continue.
Post by: Le Lapin on March 14, 2023, 08:32:37 AM
Post by: Drummond on March 14, 2023, 09:22:12 AM
Good to see him back to himself, he's been shite for the last few seasons.
Last few? Last season he was getting worse as it went on (hardly a surprise), and the start of this..
Post by: eamonn on March 14, 2023, 11:46:51 PM
Excellent again today.
He’s becoming Super again
He's only human, born to make mistakes.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 14, 2023, 11:58:43 PM
Good to see him back to himself, he's been shite for the last few seasons.
Last few? Last season he was getting worse as it went on (hardly a surprise), and the start of this..
Yeah, last few for me too. I think he enjoyed a good spell in the 7-2 season, apart from that he’s looked out of his depth. Emery’s definitely come to his rescue a bit but I’d still buy Guendouzi to replace him.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 15, 2023, 11:12:58 AM
I was certainly in favour of John being rested during his poor run of form and I never thought he should have been made captain, but fair play to him! The guy under the watchful eye and coaching of Unai and his team is doing brilliantly at the moment. Keep up the good work!
Is he still Captain now he is back playing regularly?
The captaincy seemed to be Gerrard wanting to put Mings in his place and probably thinking he needed a midfielder to be captain "coz he was a midfielder who was captain". But yes it put undue pressure on McGinn as his performances were awful, but Gerrard couldn't then drop him because of giving him the captaincy in such a way. I do wonder if that caused a split in the dressing room for awhile as well.
Post by: rob_bridge on March 15, 2023, 11:21:41 AM
McGinn looked good when Grealish was playing not when Grealish was injured or since he left. For the first time since, McGinn has started to string decent performances together. Kamara, Luiz, Ramsey, McGinn, A.N Other and all of a sudden that looks like a Top 6 or 7 midfield which could comfortably compete in Europa League
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 11:30:28 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 15, 2023, 01:22:34 PM
Heaping pressure on McGinn? He picked him as captain, a position he still holds.
The pressure was the way the captaincy was changed over. Neither Mings or McGinn were playing particularly well last season although I still think Mings shaded it, but stating "he (McGinn) deserved it" and Mings needed to just concentrate on playing, then the ridiculous "look me in the eyes" message after the first loss of the season definitely made the captaincy decision a talking point. However it also meant McGinn was also then undroppable as his performances went worse and worse.
Yes he is still Captain under Emery when he plays, but Emery didn't start him for several games which probably took the pressure off, allowed him to get his head around the tactics and has now returned playing some of his best play.
Post by: Clampy on March 15, 2023, 01:40:42 PM
Post by: algy on March 15, 2023, 01:54:00 PM
Yeah, fortunately in that respect Emery could reasonably keep SJM on as captain (rather than a disruptive change mid-season), but also drop him (as he wasn't his appointment as captain). He won't have that luxury again after the summer, although hopefully he won't need it.Heaping pressure on McGinn? He picked him as captain, a position he still holds.
The pressure was the way the captaincy was changed over. Neither Mings or McGinn were playing particularly well last season although I still think Mings shaded it, but stating "he (McGinn) deserved it" and Mings needed to just concentrate on playing, then the ridiculous "look me in the eyes" message after the first loss of the season definitely made the captaincy decision a talking point. However it also meant McGinn was also then undroppable as his performances went worse and worse.
Yes he is still Captain under Emery when he plays, but Emery didn't start him for several games which probably took the pressure off, allowed him to get his head around the tactics and has now returned playing some of his best play.
Gerrard massively fucked up with the captaincy. Not such much in deciding to take the captaincy off Mings, but the manner he did it in was a complete mess.
Post by: tomd2103 on March 15, 2023, 03:17:53 PM
Goes to show what proper coaching can do!
And playing in a position that suits him.
Post by: paul_e on March 15, 2023, 03:27:00 PM
Yeah, fortunately in that respect Emery could reasonably keep SJM on as captain (rather than a disruptive change mid-season), but also drop him (as he wasn't his appointment as captain). He won't have that luxury again after the summer, although hopefully he won't need it.Heaping pressure on McGinn? He picked him as captain, a position he still holds.
The pressure was the way the captaincy was changed over. Neither Mings or McGinn were playing particularly well last season although I still think Mings shaded it, but stating "he (McGinn) deserved it" and Mings needed to just concentrate on playing, then the ridiculous "look me in the eyes" message after the first loss of the season definitely made the captaincy decision a talking point. However it also meant McGinn was also then undroppable as his performances went worse and worse.
Yes he is still Captain under Emery when he plays, but Emery didn't start him for several games which probably took the pressure off, allowed him to get his head around the tactics and has now returned playing some of his best play.
Gerrard massively fucked up with the captaincy. Not such much in deciding to take the captaincy off Mings, but the manner he did it in was a complete mess.
He will if he doesn't make his choice of captain one of the big talking points for the entire summer. If he plays down how big a deal it is and maybe even talks about a leadership group he'll be able to pick whoever he likes almost game by game and not feel he needs to stick with 'his' man.
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 03:29:24 PM
Goes to show what proper coaching can do!
And playing in a position that suits him.
What, midfield?
Post by: paul_e on March 15, 2023, 03:34:11 PM
Goes to show what proper coaching can do!
And playing in a position that suits him.
What, midfield?
He means playing more box-to-box, he was definitely way too deep under Gerrard.
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 03:39:15 PM
He means playing more box-to-box, he was definitely way too deep under Gerrard.
I don't think that's true at all.
Post by: Drummond on March 15, 2023, 03:44:47 PM
He means playing more box-to-box, he was definitely way too deep under Gerrard.
I don't think that's true at all.
No, you're right, him covering Right Back wasn't out of position at all.
Post by: paul_e on March 15, 2023, 03:57:38 PM
He means playing more box-to-box, he was definitely way too deep under Gerrard.
I don't think that's true at all.
I can prove it with data (below) but you're very wrong.
(https://i.ibb.co/fdLbvWG/mcginn-position.png) (https://ibb.co/fdLbvWG)
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 04:16:58 PM
He means playing more box-to-box, he was definitely way too deep under Gerrard.
I don't think that's true at all.
I can prove it with data (below) but you're very wrong.
(https://i.ibb.co/fdLbvWG/mcginn-position.png) (https://ibb.co/fdLbvWG)
That's genuinely hilarious. So under Gerrard, according to those, he played slightly further forward against Palace and Everton under Gerrard than he did against Everton away under Emery, and somehow that's proof that he's played too deep under Gerrard?! Right you are then.
Here's his heatmap from Whoscored for the Everton home game under Gerrard (Martinez included for context), virtually the whole game in the opposition half, but yeah, he played too deep. ::)
(https://i.ibb.co/NNL7Bv2/Screenshot-2023-03-15-at-16-07-45.png) (https://ibb.co/NNL7Bv2)
Post by: paul_e on March 15, 2023, 04:35:13 PM
I knew exactly what point you'd make about the everton game though, and in the image pointed out why it's meaningless but you just can't help but desperately try to be right, even when you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
I'll leave it there because there's literally no point engaging in this further, you're talking shit, everyone can see it and I don't need to point it out further.
Post by: Chris Smith on March 15, 2023, 04:40:42 PM
He means playing more box-to-box, he was definitely way too deep under Gerrard.
I don't think that's true at all.
I can prove it with data (below) but you're very wrong.
(https://i.ibb.co/fdLbvWG/mcginn-position.png) (https://ibb.co/fdLbvWG)
That's genuinely hilarious. So under Gerrard, according to those, he played slightly further forward against Palace and Everton under Gerrard than he did against Everton away under Emery, and somehow that's proof that he's played too deep under Gerrard?! Right you are then.
Here's his heatmap from Whoscored for the Everton home game under Gerrard (Martinez included for context), virtually the whole game in the opposition half, but yeah, he played too deep. ::)
(https://i.ibb.co/NNL7Bv2/Screenshot-2023-03-15-at-16-07-45.png) (https://ibb.co/NNL7Bv2)
That seems to show him mostly around 10 yards into their half and never anywhere near the penalty box in a game where we had majority position. It was one of many attempts from Gerrard to force square pegs into round holes but without first coaching them in what he wanted.
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 04:52:53 PM
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 05:22:18 PM
That seems to show him mostly around 10 yards into their half and never anywhere near the penalty box in a game where we had majority position. It was one of many attempts from Gerrard to force square pegs into round holes but without first coaching them in what he wanted.
Yes the football was rubbish, and the main problem with McGinn was that he was made captain when his form didn't merit him being in the team, but being captain meant that Gerrard was pretty much forced to play him. He wasn't playing in a deep role, mostly he was in a 4-3-3 with Luiz covering the defence, and McGinn and Ramsey taking it in turns to advance forward.
Here are his heatmaps for away games against Leeds and Forest:
(https://i.ibb.co/1TfZMGY/Screenshot-2023-03-15-at-17-15-45.png) (https://ibb.co/1TfZMGY)
(https://i.ibb.co/yp0vv7s/Screenshot-2023-03-15-at-17-17-05.png) (https://ibb.co/yp0vv7s)
Chelsea at home:
(https://i.ibb.co/PmnqqyT/Screenshot-2023-03-15-at-17-18-07.png) (https://ibb.co/PmnqqyT)
West Ham away at the weekend:
(https://i.ibb.co/5Fy9Wyk/Screenshot-2023-03-15-at-17-20-14.png) (https://ibb.co/5Fy9Wyk)
He's not playing any more advanced recently, indeed you could argue he's playing a more reserved role. What he's doing is playing better. Better passing, better runs with the ball.
Post by: Ian. on March 15, 2023, 05:24:45 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 15, 2023, 05:36:01 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on March 15, 2023, 06:15:24 PM
Paul’s right of course, playing a few feet forward of where he does for Emery means he was playing too deep. He’ll leave it there, obviously. (He won’t leave it there)
From what I’ve seen from some recent games is that he is playing on the right of a tight midfield four, which is quite different to how he was employed under Gerrard.
Post by: OCD on March 15, 2023, 06:30:30 PM
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 06:31:50 PM
Paul’s right of course, playing a few feet forward of where he does for Emery means he was playing too deep. He’ll leave it there, obviously. (He won’t leave it there)
From what I’ve seen from some recent games is that he is playing on the right of a tight midfield four, which is quite different to how he was employed under Gerrard.
It's what we were told to expect when Emery arrived, with one of the full backs, in recent cases the left side with Moreno, bombing forward, and the other side being a bit more controlled.
Post by: adrenachrome on March 15, 2023, 06:56:06 PM
He seems to be revelling in being given clear instruction about his role in the side. No vaguery, he's playing a position his manager believes he's capable of, and he's doing it very well. From watching him from my seat in the stands I'd say he's playing quite a reserved role, less cavalier, more disciplined, undoutedly more effective.
That's it.
The wee fella is bursting with energy and likes to get involved and put it about. He has a fantastic left foot and is weak on his right. You don't want him near our penalty area committing fouls.
Emery has worked it out. Super John is a valuable asset if used efficiently.
Post by: brontebilly on March 16, 2023, 12:31:46 AM
Paul’s right of course, playing a few feet forward of where he does for Emery means he was playing too deep. He’ll leave it there, obviously. (He won’t leave it there)
From what I’ve seen from some recent games is that he is playing on the right of a tight midfield four, which is quite different to how he was employed under Gerrard.
The "box" I think is how the anoracks are referring to our midfield four type set up. With McGinn and Ramsey certainly further infield when we have possession with more onus on Ramsey to come inside and let Digne/Moreno push forward as an extra man. Young/Cash in the main on the opposite side are being told to stay goal side of the ball so we always have at least three back (more a problem for Cash than Young). So you can get McGinn pinning left backs out of position one on one like he did very well at times v Arsenal and Palace (like setting Cash free). That's McGinn at his best for me. He ain't the player with the silkiest skills ...but he's a wily fox around the opposition box like mugging Gueye at Everton for the peno. Should have scored v Palace too.
Under Gerrard near the end this was a complete mess trying to replicate Liverpool's setup with full backs bombing on crossing to nobody and leaving McGinn trying to race back Wijnaldum like to cover Cash on counters. This was also a tactical problem under Emery on the left side against likes of Leicester, Man City and Arsenal but the return of Ramsey instead of Buendia/Coutinho on that side seems to be helping Digne/Moreno a lot more.
It was interesting that McGinn switched back to Kamara's position against WHU as RCM next to Luiz (which used to drive me mad under Smith and Gerrard). But he did very well and to be fair I think Luiz and himself switched over at one point anyway. But while it was ok as a one off that isn't McGinns best position (and also enabled the dreadful Bailey to get another undeserved start). If the Donk is fit, I'd much prefer pushing McGinn back to where he was. WHU snail like press led by Ings also helped the likes of McGinn have an extra second or two to get turned on it (both our CBs benefited from this too). Most teams won't allow that and that's when for me he comes a liability in front of his own box in that position.
Post by: tomd2103 on March 16, 2023, 01:11:24 AM
Paul’s right of course, playing a few feet forward of where he does for Emery means he was playing too deep. He’ll leave it there, obviously. (He won’t leave it there)
From what I’ve seen from some recent games is that he is playing on the right of a tight midfield four, which is quite different to how he was employed under Gerrard.
It's what we were told to expect when Emery arrived, with one of the full backs, in recent cases the left side with Moreno, bombing forward, and the other side being a bit more controlled.
I've noticed a couple of variations in the formation since he has been here. Against Palace at home, it was definitely a tight midfield four, with McGinn and Ramsey outside the central two. The onus was definitely on both full-backs to get forward, which Cash did for the goal.
There has definitely been another variation of formation where Bailey plays like a traditional right winger (Traore did as well on Sunday when he came on), there is a tightish midfield three and the left side is left open for the left-back to get forward.
Post by: paul_e on March 16, 2023, 09:54:19 AM
Paul’s right of course, playing a few feet forward of where he does for Emery means he was playing too deep. He’ll leave it there, obviously. (He won’t leave it there)
From what I’ve seen from some recent games is that he is playing on the right of a tight midfield four, which is quite different to how he was employed under Gerrard.
The "box" I think is how the anoracks are referring to our midfield four type set up. With McGinn and Ramsey certainly further infield when we have possession with more onus on Ramsey to come inside and let Digne/Moreno push forward as an extra man. Young/Cash in the main on the opposite side are being told to stay goal side of the ball so we always have at least three back (more a problem for Cash than Young). So you can get McGinn pinning left backs out of position one on one like he did very well at times v Arsenal and Palace (like setting Cash free). That's McGinn at his best for me. He ain't the player with the silkiest skills ...but he's a wily fox around the opposition box like mugging Gueye at Everton for the peno. Should have scored v Palace too.
Under Gerrard near the end this was a complete mess trying to replicate Liverpool's setup with full backs bombing on crossing to nobody and leaving McGinn trying to race back Wijnaldum like to cover Cash on counters. This was also a tactical problem under Emery on the left side against likes of Leicester, Man City and Arsenal but the return of Ramsey instead of Buendia/Coutinho on that side seems to be helping Digne/Moreno a lot more.
It was interesting that McGinn switched back to Kamara's position against WHU as RCM next to Luiz (which used to drive me mad under Smith and Gerrard). But he did very well and to be fair I think Luiz and himself switched over at one point anyway. But while it was ok as a one off that isn't McGinns best position (and also enabled the dreadful Bailey to get another undeserved start). If the Donk is fit, I'd much prefer pushing McGinn back to where he was. WHU snail like press led by Ings also helped the likes of McGinn have an extra second or two to get turned on it (both our CBs benefited from this too). Most teams won't allow that and that's when for me he comes a liability in front of his own box in that position.
This is correct, the important part is that the formation switches between 442 and 4222 in defence and attack (and has loads of nuance on top of that). This means that, when we have the ball, McGinn and Ramsey are in front of Luiz and Kamara (and almost in a 3 with Buendia/Bailey) and hence both are able to get involved further forward in the play. Of course that is relative to the rest of the team and relies on the context of where the game was played in terms of territiorial dominance but surely anyone who understands football already knows that and wouldn't post pointless data that doesn't show what they think it does.
Post by: Risso on March 16, 2023, 10:00:11 AM
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 16, 2023, 10:50:33 AM
Post by: Risso on March 16, 2023, 11:06:55 AM
You can see from that graphic that McGinn's position hasn't really changed much. The big difference now is that Cash doesn't bomb on so much (clearly by design), so the distance between them is greater on average.
One of the big difference is tactics. Against Forest and Leeds away under Gerrard, we spent most of the game pushed right up in their halves. The trouble is, the only tactics seemed to be passing it from side to side waiting for an opportunity to present it itself, which mostly didn't happen. McGinn spent most of the game against Forest really advanced and had that terrible fluffed attempt when he couldn't decide between a shot and a header, but his and the rest of the team's form was just too poor to break down a solid defence. Same with Leeds, especially after they had a man sent off. Against Chelsea at home, in a game we dominated, McGinn had three times as many touches in their half as he did in our half, including four in their box.
Now we have much more movement and possessionpartly as a result of McGinn using the ball much better, with the plan obviously to try to suck teams in and break their press.
Post by: paul_e on March 16, 2023, 11:20:29 AM
Ha ha, as if by clockwork, Mr "I'll leave it there" doesn't leave it there! I'll repeat for the hard of thinking. Wherever McGinn plays now under Emery, it's impossible to say he was "too deep" under the previous manager, when he spent the vast majority of every game well inside the opposition half.
I wanted to leave it, I really did, but if you decide to carry on the argument I'm not a fan of letting bad data and shit analysis go unchallenged. Especially when it's being shared by someone willing to use 'hard of thinking' towards people who disagree with him (in fact you insulting the intelligence of other posters happens far more than me returning to a topic I tried to leave, how do you like "mr condescending" as a title?), even when they have a far better knowledge of the subject, because you're a literal manifestation of dunning-kruger.
That said I did give it a day to see if you'd work out why I included Everton instead of West Ham but you were so determined to be right that you just jumped in with both feet and never even considered it. Everton is a perfect example of my point because under Gerrard it was one of a very small number of games where we dominated play and, conversely, under Emery we were pretty passive and played a much deeper defensive line. That meant the absolute positions on the pitch under Emery were deeper and the heatmap shows that.
What it ignores is relative positions, which are far more important when it comes to working out how a player is being used and what their role in the team is. Under Emery the only players consistently further forward than McGinn have been Watkins and Bailey/Buendia, under Gerrard he was generally behind at least 1 of the fullbacks and about level with Kamara as the 4th or 5th most defensive player. This is what matters because it shows what the player does when we're attacking.
Now McGinn is being asked to get in or around the box and be involved in creating opportunities. Before he was clearly (and it upsets me that anyone needs to have this explained when they claim to actually have watched the matches) being asked to stay deeper and cover for Cash if we lost the ball.
The other thing that heatmaps can't show is the fact that we are now holding onto the ball in our own half to try to draw teams out and create space. To do that we have a lot of vertical movement from Ramsey, McGinn and Buendia (assuming that's the 3 who are playing) to come back, make themselves an option, and then break forward again. This can mean that even our more attacking players will appear in deeper positions as a tactical choice but isn't defensive.
In short if you want to talk about tactical choices (such as using a player 'too deep') please try to have more than a Steve Bruce understanding of the concept.
Post by: adrenachrome on March 16, 2023, 12:30:14 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 16, 2023, 12:41:00 PM
It sounds somewhat like my step father anyway who has claimed on more than one occasion that he 'could have been a brain surgeon' and in reality is the closest human incarnation of 'Terry Fuckwit' from Viz that i've come across.
Post by: LeeB on March 16, 2023, 12:44:46 PM
Is dunning-kruger that midfielder at Hamburg?
Voted for himself for the Ballon D'Or.
Post by: paul_e on March 16, 2023, 12:45:44 PM
Post by: Simon Page on March 16, 2023, 01:16:31 PM
Is dunning-kruger that midfielder at Hamburg?
Voted for himself for the Ballon D'Or.
It gives me great pleasure to nominate this as post of the month.
Post by: LeeB on March 16, 2023, 01:17:54 PM
Yes i had to look that one up. I like to be educated on here every now and again.
It sounds somewhat like my step father anyway who has claimed on more than one occasion that he 'could have been a brain surgeon' and in reality is the closest human incarnation of 'Terry Fuckwit' from Viz that i've come across.
I was trying to explain the concept of a 'Karen' to the kids last night, and once I'd explained the characteristics at length I realised the best example I could think of was my dad.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 16, 2023, 01:23:12 PM
Yes i had to look that one up. I like to be educated on here every now and again.
It sounds somewhat like my step father anyway who has claimed on more than one occasion that he 'could have been a brain surgeon' and in reality is the closest human incarnation of 'Terry Fuckwit' from Viz that i've come across.
I was trying to explain the concept of a 'Karen' to the kids last night, and once I'd explained the characteristics at length I realised the best example I could think of was my dad.
Well, i've just had to look that one up too and i'm now sitting here laughing at your post :-)
2 new expressions in one lunch time, i'm doing well.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 16, 2023, 01:31:14 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 17, 2023, 09:30:19 AM
Is dunning-kruger that midfielder at Hamburg?
Think they’re a spin off act from some unlistenable German 1970s electronic group that only Legion and UKR like*
* I know I’ve used this before.
Post by: Smirker on March 18, 2023, 05:48:57 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 18, 2023, 06:26:32 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 18, 2023, 07:17:17 PM
Wee John had a pretty good game today.
That's Super John to you Mr Smirker. I think he deserves his title back after the last few performances. I'd give him MOTM today and there was a few other excellent performances. The deciding factor was he put in that performance on a yellow card for most of the game; it really was a disciplined, skillful and hardworking display.
Post by: paul_e on March 18, 2023, 08:02:57 PM
Wee John had a pretty good game today.
That's Super John to you Mr Smirker. I think he deserves his title back after the last few performances. I'd give him MOTM today and there was a few other excellent performances. The deciding factor was he put in that performance on a yellow card for most of the game; it really was a disciplined, skillful and hardworking display.
That yellow card was really harsh as well.
Post by: rob_bridge on March 18, 2023, 08:06:03 PM
Wee John had a pretty good game today.
Yup and he was good last week too. Amazing what happens when you have a coach who knows what they are doing. Unlike the twat before who hung Mings out to dry and put McGinn in a no-win position.
Post by: colin69 on March 18, 2023, 08:06:35 PM
Back to his best I’d say.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 18, 2023, 08:16:15 PM
I’m no expert but I’d guess, under Emery, the right midfielder position’s heat map looks similar to the Gerrard version because the player spends very little time loitering in advanced positions but is given license to ‘arrive’ there without worry of leaving the team exposed. The subtle difference is they have full permission to do it whereas under Gerrard it was primarily the job of the full-backs to bomb forward.
Post by: Smirker on March 18, 2023, 08:21:33 PM
That one turn on a dime in the second half was superb. Brilliant skill.
Yes that was superb.
Post by: LeeB on March 18, 2023, 08:31:15 PM
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Post by: andyh on March 18, 2023, 10:44:40 PM
Gerard wanted McGinn playing in a very narrow channel…he was totally shackled.
The shackles are off, he’s free to cover every blade of grass on the pitch, and he does.
He’s thriving and one of the best midfielders in the country again.
Ginny is back. Gerard is a c.unt.
Simple.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 18, 2023, 10:48:32 PM
He was superb today and he's been decent since Emery came in. And to think some used to call him shit and fat.
Pointless whine at other posters there.
Honestly, why bother? Why feel the need?
Post by: brontebilly on March 18, 2023, 11:16:38 PM
He was superb today and he's been decent since Emery came in. And to think some used to call him shit and fat.
Pointless whine at other posters there.
Honestly, why bother? Why feel the need?
Considering one called him a fat knacker only a few months ago.....anyway enough about Risso
John McGinn is a Villa legend, playing under a proper coach he is thriving.
Post by: Ian. on March 18, 2023, 11:40:35 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 18, 2023, 11:40:56 PM
He was superb today and he's been decent since Emery came in. And to think some used to call him shit and fat.
It’s because he went through a period of being shit and fat. He’s much fitter now and he is back to playing some of his best football.
Post by: LeeB on March 18, 2023, 11:54:45 PM
He was really shit for a fair while under Gerard, as was a few others, so something is telling me it may not have been the players for the lack of form which was very evident.
Thinking back a bit, I picture him dallying on the ball and getting mugged or trying a pass that isn't on, the product of muddled thinking. That's gone and the player can show his qualities.
Post by: Ian. on March 19, 2023, 12:01:21 AM
He was really shit for a fair while under Gerard, as was a few others, so something is telling me it may not have been the players for the lack of form which was very evident.
Thinking back a bit, I picture him dallying on the ball and getting mugged or trying a pass that isn't on, the product of muddled thinking. That's gone and the player can show his qualities.
It was quite painful to see a player who was so adored by so many of us play so poorly.
I’m now pretty convinced Gerard picked a team and a formation and basically sent them out and hoped for the best, very much the same way my old football manager did when I was a kid.
Post by: Blorgons7 on March 19, 2023, 12:05:36 AM
Think it's a testament to how much him and Luiz have improved in general recently to see how dominant they were as a midfield two today.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 19, 2023, 12:23:46 AM
Post by: Drummond on March 19, 2023, 12:45:20 AM
He was really shit for a fair while under Gerard, as was a few others, so something is telling me it may not have been the players for the lack of form which was very evident.
Thinking back a bit, I picture him dallying on the ball and getting mugged or trying a pass that isn't on, the product of muddled thinking. That's gone and the player can show his qualities.
It was quite painful to see a player who was so adored by so many of us play so poorly.
I’m now pretty convinced Gerard picked a team and a formation and basically sent them out and hoped for the best, very much the same way my old football manager did when I was a kid.
Yep, isn't it funny that a player with a clear direction and coaching can actually do a good job.
The players obviously know where they are supposed to be, but not only that, their teammates too. Perhaps our recruitment hasn't been all bad.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 19, 2023, 01:34:49 AM
I still think there's more to come from Dougie. He has the talent, he's still young, I'd love to see him dominating the midfield. It's certainly within his capacity. I still think he cruises through games but there most certainly has a recent, big improvement. I guess it's up to him just how far he wants to develop. Love him but I know he can step up another gear.
Absolutely, and it will come with having JJ improve, Kamara develop and better players around him. Today he glided around the pitch and through Bournemouth. But it was Bournemouth and not Arsenal or Man City. He can still improve
Post by: Bad English on March 19, 2023, 06:48:12 AM
He was superb today and he's been decent since Emery came in. And to think some used to call him shit and fat.We were shit and crap; he was shit and fat. And this was expressed by people. Now we're not; he's not, and people are expressing that. To think people have a range of opinions and emotions that vary over time according to a given situation, moment or context. Tsk!
Post by: Clampy on March 19, 2023, 08:38:50 AM
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Post by: Footy-Vill on March 23, 2023, 04:53:07 PM
I'm sure Emery will be watching!
Post by: Dave on March 23, 2023, 04:54:46 PM
Scotland play Spain on Tuesday.
I'm sure Emery will be watching!
Maybe his opponents can help him pick up a bit of the language?
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 23, 2023, 05:21:48 PM
I think McIneista knows a few here and there Spain phrasesScotland play Spain on Tuesday.
I'm sure Emery will be watching!
Maybe his opponents can help him pick up a bit of the language?
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 25, 2023, 05:13:36 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on March 25, 2023, 05:20:41 PM
Just under 1 in 3.
If he did that in the Leagues he'd have 11 in a season!
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Post by: adrenachrome on March 25, 2023, 09:25:06 PM
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14:59
Main man McGinn
Scotland 1-0 Cyprus
John McGinn has been involved in 22 goals - scored 16, assisted six - since Steve Clarke took charge. That's 12 more than any other Scotland player in that period.
Imperious.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 25, 2023, 09:28:14 PM
He now moves up to 7th in Scotland's all time Top Goalscorers list, pretty impressive.
The top scorer for Scotland is (I think) Kenny Dalglish with 30-something. It's ridiculously low anyway. Possibly to do with their bizarre policy of not picking excellent strikers like Andy Gray and Graeme Sharp back in the day.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 26, 2023, 11:44:19 AM
"I have gone 46 [games] without a goal at Villa which is eating away at me – and I score after 20 [minutes] for Scotland. I am sure when I get down to Birmingham I will be getting reminders of that and I need to try and get back on the goal trail with the club."
Yes, I'll tell you that the reason you scored after 20 minutes was because you were playing against Cyprus McGinn! They have an extremely limited pool of players from which to choose. A country in football terms which is a minnow. In all honesty he should be scoring against them if hes the main goal threat for Scotland given the difference in abilities.
What is the significance of his comparison? Does our captain believe there is no difference between the Premier League and the quality of opposition he faces for Scotland?
Fact
Internationallly 10 or even more of McGinn's 16 goals have come against lowly ranked sides and the smaller countries, he has never scored against a major footballing power. In actuality, he has never even scored more than one goal except when playing against San Marino with a Hat Trick and a brace against the Faroe Islands.
Fact
The reality Ginny has faced France, Portugal, England, Croatia, Holland, Italy, Mexico, and did not score. Some of these countries he's faced mire than once.
Context
Credit where credit is due, but the opposition must be considered in addition to the role and position he plays internationally compared to playing at Villa.
Prediction on Evidence
Based on his international record and having seen him at Villa be a very non existence goal threat or unavke to convert John McGinn will never complete a hat trick in the Premier League, in my opinion.
Based on this level he may have a hat trick against a lower-level team in a domestic cup
Theory
McGinn is expected to appear against Spain soon. If he is to demonstrate any sign that he can compete with the best, and where we expect our Villa players to be capable, I want to see him score against Spain on Tuesday.
Prediction
I doubt he will unlikely given the type of opposition Ginny scores against for Scotland.
Conclusion
And that, to me, shows that, while he is a spirited and good player for Villa and a key player, goalscorer, and danger for Scotland, he is someone who can be upgraded at Villa and we bring in a midfielder capable of scoring against top 10 World/European sides.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 26, 2023, 12:20:34 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on March 26, 2023, 12:23:35 PM
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The reality Ginny has faced France, Portugal, England, Croatia, Holland, Italy, Mexico, and did not score. Some of these countries he's faced mire than once.
That’s the equivalent of criticising a midfielder from a League One side for failing to score against Premier League teams. Scotland is a tiny footballing nation so will inevitably be on the back-foot in games agains the bigger countries.
Post by: Monty on March 26, 2023, 12:30:26 PM
Post by: OCD on March 26, 2023, 01:38:27 PM
Context
Credit where credit is due, but the opposition must be considered in addition to the role and position he plays internationally compared to playing at Villa.
Then there's the context that Scotland aren't exactly world beaters themselves either. And also have a small pool of talent to choose from.
Post by: eamonn on March 26, 2023, 02:45:48 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 26, 2023, 03:02:26 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 26, 2023, 03:19:26 PM
Signing a player who has scored against a top ranked nation on the international stage would be an upgrade on McGinn.
Use specific reasons and examples to support your answer.
Post by: Monty on March 26, 2023, 03:24:32 PM
Post by: Risso on March 26, 2023, 03:29:37 PM
Do you agree or disagree with the following statement?
Signing a player who has scored against a top ranked nation on the international stage would be an upgrade on McGinn.
Use specific reasons and examples to support your answer.
I think that would be a silly way to judge players. I mean, I'd really like Martin Odegaard in the Villa team, but he's only scored two international goals, and they weren't against top flight teams, so he must be shit.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 26, 2023, 03:46:30 PM
Hal Robson-Kanu scored against Belgium.
Robson Kanu has retired and doesn't play as a midfielder.Do you agree or disagree with the following statement?
Signing a player who has scored against a top ranked nation on the international stage would be an upgrade on McGinn.
Use specific reasons and examples to support your answer.
I think that would be a silly way to judge players. I mean, I'd really like Martin Odegaard in the Villa team, but he's only scored two international goals, and they weren't against top flight teams, so he must be shit.
Odergaard hasn't scored against a top ranked nation.
So I'm suggesting replacing McGinn with an international player who regularly scores against the established top footballing countries would be beneficial to Villa progressing. An established international player of a higher pedigree than McGinn would win us more games.
Post by: Monty on March 26, 2023, 03:47:30 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 26, 2023, 03:49:24 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2023, 03:49:47 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 26, 2023, 03:59:08 PM
It's all well and good having a goal scorer for Scotland national team but would we not rather have a top player from Spain, Portugal or Germany?
I would.
Post by: Monty on March 26, 2023, 04:07:03 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 26, 2023, 04:20:30 PM
Do you agree or disagree with the following statement?
Signing a player who has scored against a top ranked nation on the international stage would be an upgrade on McGinn.
Use specific reasons and examples to support your answer.
You’ve moved the goalposts in your later posts, but this question has lots of holes in it. Lots of players who wouldn’t get in the Villa side have scored against top international sides. Robson-Kanu is mentioned below, Sam Voekes also scored for Wales in the same game.
Post by: Risso on March 26, 2023, 04:21:42 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 26, 2023, 04:29:38 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 26, 2023, 04:29:45 PM
Robin Olsen is an established international.
As is Augustinsson. Sweden really are fucked
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 26, 2023, 04:41:26 PM
That said, a random video popped up on my YouTube feed the other day of all our goals from last season and this, and he looked really good on that, involved in lots of them.
Post by: LeeB on March 26, 2023, 04:57:08 PM
Anyway, it’s great that SJM has hit some form. I don’t think he’s been good since the championship but I’d love him to kick on from now on.
That said, a random video popped up on my YouTube feed the other day of all our goals from last season and this, and he looked really good on that, involved in lots of them.
Back when Andy Townsend signed I always thought he was a bit underwhelming in his first season, then I watched the season highlights a couple of years back and he was involved in loads
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 26, 2023, 04:58:17 PM
Yes, I'll tell you that the reason you scored after 20 minutes was because you were playing against Cyprus McGinn! They have an extremely limited pool of players from which to choose. A country in football terms which is a minnow. In all honesty he should be scoring against them if hes the main goal threat for Scotland given the difference in abilities.
The Stevenage of international football.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 26, 2023, 06:03:04 PM
He now moves up to 7th in Scotland's all time Top Goalscorers list, pretty impressive.
The top scorer for Scotland is (I think) Kenny Dalglish with 30-something. It's ridiculously low anyway. Possibly to do with their bizarre policy of not picking excellent strikers like Andy Gray and Graeme Sharp back in the day.
Law and Dalglish both have 30 each but he has a chance to overtake Hughie Gallacher who's 3rd with 23 goals. They did have a bizarre selection policy though when you consider Alan Hansen only got 26 caps.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 26, 2023, 06:08:28 PM
To me that would be a great statement of his form.
Post by: Mister E on March 26, 2023, 06:14:36 PM
The likelihood though is player with a proven pedigree on the international stage would be a major asset to the team.Despite your well laid-out post, your stating the obvious. The question is whether regularly-scoring international midfielders- who net against the best nations - would currently join Villa.
It's all well and good having a goal scorer for Scotland national team but would we not rather have a top player from Spain, Portugal or Germany?
I would
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 26, 2023, 06:22:25 PM
I think like Mings he'll pen a contract extension in the summer as UE understands the importance of keeping a core of players around who know the club/league.
Think those games he spent on the bench after Gerrard got sacked gave him the kick up his considerable backside he needed so that's important going forward, we don't just start the established players for the sake of it.
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 26, 2023, 06:40:09 PM
McGinn's done really well since Emery came in, miles ahead of the level he was this time last year (and for most of 2021).
I think like Mings he'll pen a contract extension in the summer as UE understands the importance of keeping a core of players around who know the club/league.
Think those games he spent on the bench after Gerrard got sacked gave him the kick up his considerable backside he needed so that's important going forward, we don't just start the established players for the sake of it.
I think this is right. If playing well and scoring for Scotland against the lesser footballing nations, gives him confidence, then great. I however, tend to judge any of our players on how they play for Villa. Apart from his period out injured, McGinns form under Emery, has been largely excellent. The challenge will be whether he can maintain that form for the rest of the season and then how he reacts if we buy someone who can also play in a similar position like the lad from Marseille.
I understand FVs overall point but if McGinn doesn’t score against Spain (no matter how well he plays) but then has a blinder for Villa at Chelsea, it kind of makes the overall point mute.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2023, 07:12:56 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 26, 2023, 07:21:55 PM
McGinn's done really well since Emery came in, miles ahead of the level he was this time last year (and for most of 2021).
I think like Mings he'll pen a contract extension in the summer as UE understands the importance of keeping a core of players around who know the club/league.
Think those games he spent on the bench after Gerrard got sacked gave him the kick up his considerable backside he needed so that's important going forward, we don't just start the established players for the sake of it.
I think this is right. If playing well and scoring for Scotland against the lesser footballing nations, gives him confidence, then great. I however, tend to judge any of our players on how they play for Villa. Apart from his period out injured, McGinns form under Emery, has been largely excellent. The challenge will be whether he can maintain that form for the rest of the season and then how he reacts if we buy someone who can also play in a similar position like the lad from Marseille.
I understand FVs overall point but if McGinn doesn’t score against Spain (no matter how well he plays) but then has a blinder for Villa at Chelsea, it kind of makes the overall point mute.
Well McGinn, himself, is the one emphasising goals by his broadcasting about not scoring goals for Villa!
You make a valid point though, RBruno, and his performances for Villa are considerably of the most utmost importance and concern
We are most interested about his contributions in the Premier League next match against Chelsea so in that respect he doesn't have to score against Spain
Signing some one in the summer to come in for McGinn will represents the next step in moving forward as a team, the idea of an improvement in that position, and the kind of midfielder who is scoring goals from that position.
Although I support McGinn and recognize his improvement ,to some extent, and he has a shown a great attitude and will always make an effort, as well as a certain likeable nature , I do believe that a better football player is required because Ginny has already demonstrated what he is capable of doing and that isn't contributing by scoring goals
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 26, 2023, 07:22:11 PM
I think this is right. If playing well and scoring for Scotland against the lesser footballing nations, gives him confidence, then great. I however, tend to judge any of our players on how they play for Villa. Apart from his period out injured, McGinns form under Emery, has been largely excellent. The challenge will be whether he can maintain that form for the rest of the season and then how he reacts if we buy someone who can also play in a similar position like the lad from Marseille.
I understand FVs overall point but if McGinn doesn’t score against Spain (no matter how well he plays) but then has a blinder for Villa at Chelsea, it kind of makes the overall point mute.
Your post started well but then took a swan dive.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 26, 2023, 07:22:15 PM
*clears throat, waits for BE*
:)
I'm saying nothing.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2023, 07:23:59 PM
*clears throat, waits for BE*
:)
I'm saying nothing.
Ha ha, very good.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 26, 2023, 07:47:23 PM
Had 4 big chances.
XGoals 1.53
Ramsey has chipped in with 3 goals
Douglas Luiz has chipped in with 3 goals
McGinn? Nothing.
Yes, McGinn strength is his tackling and combative nature, but he surely needs to have offered up a even one goal by now.
Ward Prowse 7 goals and Neves 5 goals play the right of midfield and at times deeper. They take penalties.
Then there are the likes
5 goals Højbjerg
4 goals Xhaka
3 goals Paulina
3 goals Partey.
Midfielder at Everton Doucoure has even scored 2 in recent weeks under a new manager having not scored all season. So now come on McGinn give us a goal man!
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 26, 2023, 08:05:32 PM
Post by: colin69 on March 26, 2023, 08:14:17 PM
If only he hadn’t got wasted that weekend in Dublin.
God you’re boring…..
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 26, 2023, 09:27:25 PM
If only he hadn’t got wasted that weekend in Dublin.
God you’re boring…..
And you paid attention to my post because?
Post by: colin69 on March 26, 2023, 09:39:26 PM
Post by: olaftab on March 26, 2023, 11:54:58 PM
Do you agree or disagree with the following statement?I don't think signing the Alshehri or Aldawsari who both scored for Saudi Arabia against Argentina will be an upgrade on John.
Signing a player who has scored against a top ranked nation on the international stage would be an upgrade on McGinn.
Use specific reasons and examples to support your answer.
Post by: adrenachrome on March 27, 2023, 01:36:14 AM
Do you agree or disagree with the following statement?I don't think signing the Alshehri or Aldawsari who both scored for Saudi Arabia against Argentina will be an upgrade on John.
Signing a player who has scored against a top ranked nation on the international stage would be an upgrade on McGinn.
Use specific reasons and examples to support your answer.
Yes.
There is a glitch in the logic of the algorithm.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 27, 2023, 09:34:33 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 27, 2023, 09:49:02 AM
Sheer jubilation for me that one! Classic McGinn, and he announced himself to the league.
But will John McGinn score for Villa this season?
Post by: Somniloquism on March 27, 2023, 09:56:49 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 27, 2023, 10:35:28 AM
SJM is aware of the issue and sounds like he's aware of the topic being discussed by followers of Aston Villa and football people who notice the difference in goals at Club and Country level
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 27, 2023, 10:42:18 AM
I don't think it has anything to do with anyone else discussing it, he's not stupid, he knows he used to score more.
Post by: eamonn on March 27, 2023, 10:44:22 AM
Post by: Risso on March 27, 2023, 10:52:06 AM
He should be scoring more for us though, we all know that, including him. 43 games or whatever it is, without a goal is pisspoor.
He should have buried that chance away at Forest earlier in the season, he had the whole goal to aim at and got caught in two minds between heading and shooting. Might have been a minor Glen Whelan 'Sliding Doors' moment that, as if he had scored and we'd won, we'd have been 10th rather than 16th and it might have delayed/prevented the rage sacking a couple of games later, and we possibly might not have Unai now.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 27, 2023, 10:55:01 AM
But it was McGinn who brought up the topic of goals for Villa, and it stands to reason that his international goalscoring exploits and the dearth of goals at club level will spark discussion and debate.
SJM is aware of the issue and sounds like he's aware of the topic being discussed by followers of Aston Villa and football people who notice the difference in goals at Club and Country level
I expect he was "joking" that his team mates would jibe him that he hasn't scored. I doubt he was talking about items on fans sites. The only reason any of this has become a discussion is because someone was craving attention so decided to turn a throwaway line into some stupid point that if someone who plays for a small international side doesn't score against former World Champions, then they should not be playing for better club sides. People are not discussing Mcginn, they are discussing why someone has made stupid arguments.
BTW, if we get better players, we get better players. Which international side and who they happen to score against should be less of concern on whether they make us better or worse on the player being replaced.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 27, 2023, 10:57:13 AM
Remember when we first arrived back in the Prem McGinn ahead of anyone was the one who looked most comfortable at the top level.
I'll just say no more and wait on outcome now on goals, but hopefully, he scores vs. Spain AND Chelsea! That would be Super.
Facts
SJM has appaeraed in 123 matches in the Premier League.
Started in 118 matches and scored 9 goals.
He has scored 3 goals each season in his 3 seasons at Prem Level.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 27, 2023, 10:57:41 AM
Post by: Risso on March 27, 2023, 11:02:02 AM
He's now got over half as many goals for Scotland as League goals in his career. In the time it's taken him to score those 16 international goals he's scored 9 for us. I don't really know what to make of that fact. We should set up like Scotland?
The average Premier League team is a bit better than Cyprus, the Faeroes or Israel though.
Post by: stevo_st on March 27, 2023, 11:03:03 AM
Probably the equivalent of playing against Championship or League One
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2023, 11:07:41 AM
He should be scoring more for us though, we all know that, including him. 43 games or whatever it is, without a goal is pisspoor.
He should have buried that chance away at Forest earlier in the season, he had the whole goal to aim at and got caught in two minds between heading and shooting. Might have been a minor Glen Whelan 'Sliding Doors' moment that, as if he had scored and we'd won, we'd have been 10th rather than 16th and it might have delayed/prevented the rage sacking a couple of games later, and we possibly might not have Unai now.
That miss summed up him, the manager he played for and the way he 'set up' the team at that time.
Confused and indecisive, a world away from what we've seen from McGinn this year.
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2023, 11:11:10 AM
Have you noticed against which defences he’s picked up those goals for Scotland though? Cyprus / Faeroe Island etc
Probably the equivalent of playing against Championship or League One
It doesn't prove anything but it's also not to be sniffed at. There's plenty of higher rated midfielders that also play against these teams and don't have the same return, and they're not playing alongside Grant Hanley and Lyndon Dykes.
Post by: Risso on March 27, 2023, 11:12:10 AM
That miss summed up him, the manager he played for and the way he 'set up' the team at that time.
Confused and indecisive, a world away from what we've seen from McGinn this year.
It was a terrible match. We did nothing but past it sideways over and over again between the midfielders, we had no cutting edge whatsoever.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 27, 2023, 11:26:34 AM
He's now got over half as many goals for Scotland as League goals in his career. In the time it's taken him to score those 16 international goals he's scored 9 for us. I don't really know what to make of that fact. We should set up like Scotland?
The average Premier League team is a bit better than Cyprus, the Faeroes or Israel though.
Yeah, I just don't see him as a goalscorer. What he does in a Scotland shirt is hugely at odds with the rest of his career. One in close to eleven, be that with us or before. If he can bag three before season's end he'll maintain his typical average. If not, he'll have scored 3 fewer than he normally does in a season. No biggy.
Him alone not scoring is less of an issue with me than the dearth of goals from our regular 'back sevens', for want of a better term. 2 from defenders, 6 from Ramsey, Douglas Luiz, McGinn, Kamara and Dendoncker. Pitiful.
Post by: Risso on March 27, 2023, 11:33:09 AM
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2023, 11:52:07 AM
Yes we definitely need to increase the goals from all areas.
I think we're starting to see this happening, midfielders are actually appearing in the opposition box now as opposed to covering the full backs
Post by: Drummond on March 27, 2023, 11:55:22 AM
Yes we definitely need to increase the goals from all areas.
Yep, though i think that's at odds with the manager's philosophy to be fair.
Martinez went up for a corner and the manager has been clear he doesn't want it happening again.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 27, 2023, 12:16:17 PM
I’m assuming these stats are correct….
https://twitter.com/lfcshaunjudge/status/1640058119991488515?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 27, 2023, 12:24:15 PM
While we’re on the subject of McGinn scoring most of his international goals against “soft” opponents…..
I’m assuming these stats are correct….
https://twitter.com/lfcshaunjudge/status/1640058119991488515?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA
A number of his penalties were against the sides listed.
You can probably break down Messi's or Ronaldo's international goals and a very small number will be against top sides.
Post by: Risso on March 27, 2023, 12:31:37 PM
While we’re on the subject of McGinn scoring most of his international goals against “soft” opponents…..
I’m assuming these stats are correct….
https://twitter.com/lfcshaunjudge/status/1640058119991488515?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA (https://twitter.com/lfcshaunjudge/status/1640058119991488515?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA)
A number of his penalties were against the sides listed.
You can probably break down Messis or Ronaldo's international goals and a very small number will be against top sides.
A quick look and you're right. Ronaldo's got 11 against Luxembourg, 7 against Lithuania, 6 against Andorra. His only "top tier" goals are:
Argentina - 1
Belgium - 3
France - 2
Germany - 1
Spain - 3
And he's never scored against England, the shit bastard.
That's the nature of international football these days I guess.
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2023, 12:33:19 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 27, 2023, 12:36:56 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 27, 2023, 12:44:10 PM
While we’re on the subject of McGinn scoring most of his international goals against “soft” opponents…..
I’m assuming these stats are correct….
https://twitter.com/lfcshaunjudge/status/1640058119991488515?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA
A number of his penalties were against the sides listed.
Yeah, I asked him if he was counting some goals twice.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 27, 2023, 12:50:15 PM
The commentator the other night said most of Booby Charlton's were against farmers and postmen, or words to that effect.
49 goals.
22 in friendlies.
16 the Home Championships*.
6 in other* qualifiers (5 against Luxembourg WC, 1 against Spain EC).
5 in tournaments (4WC, 1EC)
* There's an overlap of 3 goals when the HC was deemed a qualifying group.
Post by: Bad English on March 27, 2023, 12:54:13 PM
I've not followed but just skimmed through and seen this so I'm a bit nonplussed but YES or NO as the case may be. I'm working so you'll have to point me to it later. Ta! :-)*clears throat, waits for BE*
:)
I'm saying nothing.
Ha ha, very good.
Post by: Dave on March 27, 2023, 12:58:37 PM
The commentator the other night said most of Booby Charlton's were against farmers and postmen, or words to that effect.
49 goals.
22 in friendlies.
16 the Home Championships*.
6 in other* qualifiers (5 against Luxembourg WC, 1 against Spain EC).
5 in tournaments (4WC, 1EC)
* There's an overlap of 3 goals when the HC was deemed a qualifying group.
Yup, I remember there being a lot of pant-wetting when Rooney broke Sir Booby's record about how it didn't mean anything due to the opponents Rooney scored against. From people assuming in the '60s every international match was the equivalent of a World Cup final.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 27, 2023, 01:01:17 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 27, 2023, 01:04:44 PM
That World Cup qualifiers one is eyebrow raising. 5 against Luxembourg, and that's it.
In fairness to him we didn't play any for the 1966 or 1970 World Cups.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 27, 2023, 01:09:15 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 27, 2023, 01:22:55 PM
I've not followed but just skimmed through and seen this so I'm a bit nonplussed but YES or NO as the case may be. I'm working so you'll have to point me to it later. Ta! :-)*clears throat, waits for BE*
:)
I'm saying nothing.
Ha ha, very good.
Mute / moot.
Post by: aldridgeboy on March 27, 2023, 01:36:53 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/W3S4C0d/BFB52968-1566-4564-84-A0-C4-DEFDE6446-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/W3S4C0d)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 27, 2023, 01:39:07 PM
I think it will be similar for all strikers at international level. This is Kanes record ( from Twitter )
(https://i.ibb.co/W3S4C0d/BFB52968-1566-4564-84-A0-C4-DEFDE6446-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/W3S4C0d)
Which as mentioned on the previous page isn't accurate as a number of his pens were against the sides listed. Two against Panama at the World Cup for example.
Post by: Bad English on March 27, 2023, 01:56:49 PM
Ah, yes. My eyes had already glazed over at some apostrophe crime and various misdemeanours and the final word in the post didn't register.I've not followed but just skimmed through and seen this so I'm a bit nonplussed but YES or NO as the case may be. I'm working so you'll have to point me to it later. Ta! :-)*clears throat, waits for BE*
:)
I'm saying nothing.
Ha ha, very good.
Mute / moot.
But I hear you.
Post by: paul_e on March 27, 2023, 02:02:29 PM
All of which suggests that singling out McGinn for scoring against shit international teams and not scoring for us is a bit unfair. The biggest difference is how he's used.
For us in 23 league appearances he's had 27 shots.
For Scotland in 7 appearances he's managed 21.
He should definitely have a couple of goals for us but comparing his record to how he is for Scotland is a bit pointless.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 27, 2023, 02:08:19 PM
Not accurate but indicative that every* international striker will have a record that is dominated by goals against teams that are miles below the standard they are used to playing at club level. It's why I don't look at domestic cup goals either as they can often be misleading. Even the champions league and Europa league can be difficult to read into.Then comparing his shots for international and club is also pointless isn't it.
All of which suggests that singling out McGinn for scoring against shit international teams and not scoring for us is a bit unfair. The biggest difference is how he's used.
For us in 23 league appearances he's had 27 shots.
For Scotland in 7 appearances he's managed 21.
He should definitely have a couple of goals for us but comparing his record to how he is for Scotland is a bit pointless.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 27, 2023, 02:21:06 PM
Not accurate but indicative that every* international striker will have a record that is dominated by goals against teams that are miles below the standard they are used to playing at club level. It's why I don't look at domestic cup goals either as they can often be misleading. Even the champions league and Europa league can be difficult to read into.Then comparing his shots for international and club is also pointless isn't it.
All of which suggests that singling out McGinn for scoring against shit international teams and not scoring for us is a bit unfair. The biggest difference is how he's used.
For us in 23 league appearances he's had 27 shots.
For Scotland in 7 appearances he's managed 21.
He should definitely have a couple of goals for us but comparing his record to how he is for Scotland is a bit pointless.
Oh come on footy, surely you can see that he plays in a very attacking role for Scotland, and that for a long time he’s played in a more defensive role for Villa. Under Smith he lined-up alongside, or slightly ahead of Dougie in a 4-2-3-1, while under Gerrard he was expected to cover his full-back. I’m not his biggest fan but in his few games for Emery you can see he has been involved more in the attacking play, especially before Dougie’s regular partner Kamara got injured.
If he continues to be goal and/or assist-shy in the more attacking role Emery assigned him to before Bouba’s injury I’m sure UE will look to address that in the summer.
Post by: Dave on March 27, 2023, 02:24:08 PM
Oh come on footy, surely even someone a clueless as you can work out that he plays in a very attacking role for Scotland
Not really called for.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 27, 2023, 02:24:51 PM
Oh come on footy, surely even someone a clueless as you can work out that he plays in a very attacking role for Scotland
Not really called for.
Sorry. Edit incoming.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 27, 2023, 02:27:22 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 27, 2023, 02:32:03 PM
I have already said " He's been looking fitter and leaner and has performed well in recent matches for us.
Remember when we first arrived back in the Prem McGinn ahead of anyone was the one who looked most comfortable at the top level.
I'll just say no more and wait on outcome now on goals, but hopefully, he scores vs. Spain AND Chelsea! That would be Super."
I'm hardly clueless as reeled of actual stats.
Facts
SJM has appaeraed in 123 matches in the Premier League.
Started in 118 matches and scored 9 goals.
He has scored 3 goals each season in his 3 seasons at Prem Level.
I don't wish to talk on this anymore till after the matches.
Anyone can look up statistics. You lack the insight to see them in context.
Post by: paul_e on March 27, 2023, 03:42:20 PM
Not accurate but indicative that every* international striker will have a record that is dominated by goals against teams that are miles below the standard they are used to playing at club level. It's why I don't look at domestic cup goals either as they can often be misleading. Even the champions league and Europa league can be difficult to read into.Then comparing his shots for international and club is also pointless isn't it.
All of which suggests that singling out McGinn for scoring against shit international teams and not scoring for us is a bit unfair. The biggest difference is how he's used.
For us in 23 league appearances he's had 27 shots.
For Scotland in 7 appearances he's managed 21.
He should definitely have a couple of goals for us but comparing his record to how he is for Scotland is a bit pointless.
Honestly, yes but it's a better insight into why he scores more goals for them. The very basic concept of 'you can't score goals if you don't shoot' covers most of the difference recently.
The only important question for anyone to be asking on this is why does he take nearly 3x as many shots per game for scotland than he does for Villa?
We can put forward some theories, for example: Is it just a positional thing? is it confidence? Is it that they're comparatively weaker defences so he gets more time? Is it because he knows he NEEDS to score for them whereas for us he trusts the players in front of him more?
If we want more goals from him we need to work out the answer(s) to that and address it. I don't think it's gonig to be down to any single one of those points though, probably elements of all of them, and other things on top that no one on here has mentioned.
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 27, 2023, 09:28:48 PM
Ah, yes. My eyes had already glazed over at some apostrophe crime and various misdemeanours and the final word in the post didn't register.I've not followed but just skimmed through and seen this so I'm a bit nonplussed but YES or NO as the case may be. I'm working so you'll have to point me to it later. Ta! :-)*clears throat, waits for BE*
:)
I'm saying nothing.
Ha ha, very good.
Mute / moot.
But I hear you.
I apologise for the mute/moot error, but absolutely not for my various misdemeanours.
Post by: avfcdale on March 29, 2023, 08:14:53 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 30, 2023, 09:28:41 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 30, 2023, 09:31:40 PM
McGinn has said Scotland were absolutely time wasting against Scotland. Has to be wise to his comments as both captain of Villa but also that he is coached by Spainish.
I think one of the FV collective has been on some special medicines tonight.
Post by: johnc on March 30, 2023, 09:57:16 PM
Even Martinez would doff his cap to that level of time wastingMcGinn has said Scotland were absolutely time wasting against Scotland. Has to be wise to his comments as both captain of Villa but also that he is coached by Spainish.
I think one of the FV collective has been on some special medicines tonight.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 30, 2023, 10:15:08 PM
McGinn has said Scotland were absolutely time wasting against Scotland. Has to be wise to his comments as both captain of Villa but also that he is coached by Spainish.
Do you think Emery might be angry with McGinn because Scotland engaged in time wasting against Spain?
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 31, 2023, 08:36:08 AM
disgusting him wasting time, should send him to Dublin as a punishment, don't let him back until Saturday morning as wellMcGinn has said Scotland were absolutely time wasting against Scotland. Has to be wise to his comments as both captain of Villa but also that he is coached by Spainish.
Do you think Emery might be angry with McGinn because Scotland engaged in time wasting against Spain?
Post by: algy on March 31, 2023, 09:23:06 AM
Post by: olaftab on March 31, 2023, 09:29:11 AM
I have a feeling that he's going to get a mouthful from Emi Martinez this morning. Total amateur he was!disgusting him wasting time, should send him to Dublin as a punishment, don't let him back until Saturday morning as wellMcGinn has said Scotland were absolutely time wasting against Scotland. Has to be wise to his comments as both captain of Villa but also that he is coached by Spainish.
Do you think Emery might be angry with McGinn because Scotland engaged in time wasting against Spain?
Post by: eamonn on March 31, 2023, 10:14:44 AM
Think the goals against international opponents thing is an odd argument. Particularly for someone who plays for Scotland - who've had a somewhat sparse record of games in World Cup / European Championship finals for the last 25 years ... who exactly is he meant to have scored goals against? Cos pretty much by definition 3/4 of the games he's been playing have been against sides that haven't qualified for a WC/EC. Or is it that players should intentionally save up their goals against shit teams so they can score them against better ones?
Yeah but it would be nice to see him whack one in against Liverpool again. It's been far too long.
Post by: OCD on March 31, 2023, 11:26:48 AM
Post by: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 11:36:38 AM
I watched Emery's pre-match press conference last night and he was asked whether there was any banter between him and McGinn (over the result). The question seemed to totally go over Emery's head as he went on to say how pleased he is with McGinn, what a good player he is, how he always has a smile on his face in training etc. The journalist had to re-phrase the question, by which point Emery just seemed to brush it away. Get the feeling he doesn't really give a shit that Scotland beat Spain.
As a Basque it may be that Unai genuinely doesn't care a toss for Spain, or indeed anyone a bit Spainy like the 'Spainish'
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 12:25:47 PM
I watched Emery's pre-match press conference last night and he was asked whether there was any banter between him and McGinn (over the result). The question seemed to totally go over Emery's head as he went on to say how pleased he is with McGinn, what a good player he is, how he always has a smile on his face in training etc. The journalist had to re-phrase the question, by which point Emery just seemed to brush it away. Get the feeling he doesn't really give a shit that Scotland beat Spain.
As a Basque it may be that Unai genuinely doesn't care a toss for Spain, or indeed anyone a bit Spainy like the 'Spainish'
In regards to Tom Ross question in 12 minute of the presser.
When Emery responded with a clear and obvious nose touch and then declared "I like him," I believe I saw a sign that was very intriguing and obvious to my trained eye.
I'm well versed in seeing things but for those who aren't familiar the gesture made is called the pinocchio effect.
I have more to say about Emery's hand gestures at the Villa news briefing on Unai Emery thread, including another clear and obvious sign to the trained eye. I also advise people to interpret between the lines of Emery's communication regarding his preference for mature players. That reveals a lot about some of the squads behavior.
Post by: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 12:30:30 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2023, 12:31:18 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2023, 12:32:15 PM
I watched Emery's pre-match press conference last night and he was asked whether there was any banter between him and McGinn (over the result). The question seemed to totally go over Emery's head as he went on to say how pleased he is with McGinn, what a good player he is, how he always has a smile on his face in training etc. The journalist had to re-phrase the question, by which point Emery just seemed to brush it away. Get the feeling he doesn't really give a shit that Scotland beat Spain.
He didn't understand the question at first (the bragging rights thing) and got his assistant to explain it to him.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2023, 12:34:34 PM
I watched Emery's pre-match press conference last night and he was asked whether there was any banter between him and McGinn (over the result). The question seemed to totally go over Emery's head as he went on to say how pleased he is with McGinn, what a good player he is, how he always has a smile on his face in training etc. The journalist had to re-phrase the question, by which point Emery just seemed to brush it away. Get the feeling he doesn't really give a shit that Scotland beat Spain.
As a Basque it may be that Unai genuinely doesn't care a toss for Spain, or indeed anyone a bit Spainy like the 'Spainish'
In regards to Tom Ross question in 12 minute of the presser.
When Emery responded with a clear and obvious nose touch and then declared "I like him," I believe I saw a sign that was very intriguing and obvious to my trained eye.
I'm well versed in seeing things but for those who aren't familiar the gesture made is called the pinocchio effect.
I have more to say about Emery's hand gestures at the Villa news briefing on Unai Emery thread, including another clear and obvious sign to the trained eye. I also advise people to interpret between the lines of Emery's communication regarding his preference for mature players. That reveals a lot about some of the squads behavior.
Have you ever spoken a foreign language in a work environment, Footy?
It is very challenging, especially when your level is that of UE's (which is not the highest). One of the things you find yourself doing is adopting other bits of body language, mostly because you are being put on the spot and asked difficult questions in a work environment.
It is totally different to the way people act and their little tics and movements when thinking so fast and on their feet and answering in another language, especially when languages do not come naturally to you.
You might also want to reflect on his mindset when speaking in English these days after the merciless pisstake he got over it when he was at Arsenal.
Post by: dave shelley on March 31, 2023, 12:37:17 PM
Post by: Monty on March 31, 2023, 12:37:47 PM
FV - you say you're well trained in 'seeing things', but might I ask, do you think maybe you're habituated to seeing things that might not be there? You mentioned a rather numerological approach to match predictions which struck me as a bit mystic and conspiratorial. It might be worth asking yourself the all-important question 'am I reading too much into this?' from time to time.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 31, 2023, 12:40:11 PM
I can echo Paulie's points, it's exactly like that.
FV - you say you're well trained in 'seeing things', but might I ask, do you think maybe you're habituated to seeing things that might not be there? You mentioned a rather numerological approach to match predictions which struck me as a bit mystic and conspiratorial. It might be worth asking yourself the all-important question 'am I reading too much into this?' from time to time.
Or just do fewer hallucinogens.
Post by: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 12:45:35 PM
I can echo Paulie's points, it's exactly like that.
FV - you say you're well trained in 'seeing things', but might I ask, do you think maybe you're habituated to seeing things that might not be there? You mentioned a rather numerological approach to match predictions which struck me as a bit mystic and conspiratorial. It might be worth asking yourself the all-important question 'am I reading too much into this?' from time to time.
Or just do fewer hallucinogens.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 12:53:57 PM
Utter, utter horseshitHow so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.
I ask anyone to look it up.
And also anyone to watch clearly what occurs when Tom Ross asks a question on 12 mins. Then make up your minds now you know what a gesture called pinocchio effect is.
Apparently, a former USA president was also doing such with his hand to nose.
Anyway it was just an observation. If people don't want to pick up on those things then thats their preogrative.
Post by: Monty on March 31, 2023, 12:59:35 PM
Utter, utter horseshitHow so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.
FV, it's worth learning all of these 'x means y' body language ideas are baseless pseudoscience.
Post by: Risso on March 31, 2023, 01:13:06 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 01:19:49 PM
Well, I always listen and usually do what other posters request or say when all are considered. And you're one of sound reason, Monty.Utter, utter horseshitHow so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.
FV, it's worth learning all of these 'x means y' body language ideas are baseless pseudoscience.
I personally believed it to be rather accurate. However, wjen others cast some things in a different light despite some of my training in observation, I'm willing to close the case on this one as after all Unai Emery and the players of Aston Villa, don't need to have further investigation or scrutiny.
Apologies. Back to the subject of football.
Up The Villa!
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 01:23:51 PM
I've mentioned before how Emery is constantly fidgeting with his face when he's being interviewed. As Paulie says, this is clearly because he's still a bit uncomfortable speaking in English, and isn't the usual 'tells' you get when somebody is lying etc.Fair point Risso and Paulie previously. And Emery is expressive and a passionate man.
I take on entirely what Paulie says. And its very insightful in another way than my own insights.
Respect to you both in what has been said as I like to pay attention to you two as you're fair and (mostly) enjoy your musings and knowledge on football and all things.
So I've closed the case on body language. I have swayed too far from what this forum on h and v is about.
As we were.
Post by: OCD on March 31, 2023, 01:27:29 PM
I can echo Paulie's points, it's exactly like that.
FV - you say you're well trained in 'seeing things', but might I ask, do you think maybe you're habituated to seeing things that might not be there? You mentioned a rather numerological approach to match predictions which struck me as a bit mystic and conspiratorial. It might be worth asking yourself the all-important question 'am I reading too much into this?' from time to time.
As well as 'how might I be coming across to the reader'.
Post by: eamonn on March 31, 2023, 01:27:51 PM
Footy mate, if you're so well versed in 'seeing things' how come you can't see the woods for the trees? I'm intrigued.
Uncalled for, referee! The minnows need support.
Post by: Monty on March 31, 2023, 01:32:26 PM
Well, I always listen and usually do what other posters request or say when all are considered. And you're one of sound reason, Monty.Utter, utter horseshitHow so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.
FV, it's worth learning all of these 'x means y' body language ideas are baseless pseudoscience.
I personally believed it to be rather accurate. However, wjen others cast some things in a different light despite some of my training in observation, I'm willing to close the case on this one as after all Unai Emery and the players of Aston Villa, don't need to have further investigation or scrutiny.
Apologies. Back to the subject of football.
Up The Villa!
It's fair enough FV, it's not astrology, it has a basis in something real - it's just more complicated than it looks. E.g., as others have said, rubbing your nose as Emery's doing indicates discomfort, which in some situations (police interrogations perhaps) might mean you're hiding something. But that doesn't mean it's like that in every scenario.
Another classic is 'woman fiddling with her hair is into you'. Sometimes, maybe! But hardly always.
Post by: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 01:33:27 PM
Utter, utter horseshitHow so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.
FV, it's worth learning all of these 'x means y' body language ideas are baseless pseudoscience.
Precisely.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 01:36:11 PM
Well to Monty.I can echo Paulie's points, it's exactly like that.
FV - you say you're well trained in 'seeing things', but might I ask, do you think maybe you're habituated to seeing things that might not be there? You mentioned a rather numerological approach to match predictions which struck me as a bit mystic and conspiratorial. It might be worth asking yourself the all-important question 'am I reading too much into this?' from time to time.
As well as 'how might I be coming across to the reader'.
That's why I was wondering if others were of ritualistic mind or tendency at times.
My number imagery of 3 and 22 was a first regards football matters but not in free association and drawing. And I am going to be looking for signs regards 3 and 22 tomorrow. It actually to help me as I'm live at the game.
To OCD
And now that I've been made aware of it, I'd want to apologise for my thinking once more veering off the subject of football and the fact that you and others have to read what are essentially considered to be unrelated topics for football debate.
As we were.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2023, 01:36:34 PM
Namely the inside of my nose with my preferred picking finger.
Post by: Drummond on March 31, 2023, 01:41:59 PM
Post by: LeeB on March 31, 2023, 01:45:15 PM
I am constantly touching parts of my face.
Namely the inside of my nose with my preferred picking finger.
Well from that information I can glean that you think Robin Olsen is shit
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 31, 2023, 01:46:41 PM
Utter, utter horseshitHow so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.
I ask anyone to look it up.
And also anyone to watch clearly what occurs when Tom Ross asks a question on 12 mins. Then make up your minds now you know what a gesture called pinocchio effect is.
I take it you watched with the sound off as like me I struggle to understand what Emery is saying, even with what I believe is a more than decent trained ear, I prefer to use the subtitles. If you had seen the interview you would have heard him wax lyrical about SJM and how since the first day he's been fantastic, hard working, takes on instruction and is now reaching such high levels Emery feels confident he can move SJM around if necessary. That's an unlimited sign of trust.
So yeah, LeeB's call is spot on (for once). Must try harder.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 01:54:07 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 01:54:28 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 31, 2023, 02:02:57 PM
Another classic is 'woman fiddling with her hair is into you'. Sometimes, maybe! But hardly always.
As espoused by former Brummie, Mike Skinner, in his "imperial phase".
"I saw this thing on ITV the other week
It said, that if she plays with her hair she's probably keen
She's playing with her hair regularly
So I reckon I could well be in"
Post by: Risso on March 31, 2023, 02:12:20 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2023, 02:18:13 PM
I've just watched the press conference, and the only thing Emery did when talking about McGinn was to rub the side of his head with his fingers. Which is something he does almost the entire time he's speaking in English, so if he was lying about his true feelings about McGinn, then he's lied about every single thing he's ever said since he came through the door. I don't think Emery's a liar, personally.Must we.
Look he touched his nose immediately after Tom Ross question on how's it been with John McGinn.
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 31, 2023, 02:22:15 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2023, 02:26:07 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on March 31, 2023, 02:44:53 PM
Well, I always listen and usually do what other posters request or say when all are considered. And you're one of sound reason, Monty.Utter, utter horseshitHow so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.
FV, it's worth learning all of these 'x means y' body language ideas are baseless pseudoscience.
I personally believed it to be rather accurate. However, wjen others cast some things in a different light despite some of my training in observation, I'm willing to close the case on this one as after all Unai Emery and the players of Aston Villa, don't need to have further investigation or scrutiny.
Apologies. Back to the subject of football.
Up The Villa!
Footy, you keep saying that you're trained, I'm interested to know what in?
Post by: Risso on March 31, 2023, 02:45:54 PM
Footy, you keep saying that you're trained, I'm interested to know what in?
There's a few of them, so it could be a variety of things.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 31, 2023, 02:52:05 PM
Well, I always listen and usually do what other posters request or say when all are considered. And you're one of sound reason, Monty.Utter, utter horseshitHow so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.
FV, it's worth learning all of these 'x means y' body language ideas are baseless pseudoscience.
I personally believed it to be rather accurate. However, wjen others cast some things in a different light despite some of my training in observation, I'm willing to close the case on this one as after all Unai Emery and the players of Aston Villa, don't need to have further investigation or scrutiny.
Apologies. Back to the subject of football.
Up The Villa!
Footy, you keep saying that you're trained, I'm interested to know what in?
If he told you, he would then have to kill you
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 31, 2023, 03:09:04 PM
I watched Emery's pre-match press conference last night and he was asked whether there was any banter between him and McGinn (over the result). The question seemed to totally go over Emery's head as he went on to say how pleased he is with McGinn, what a good player he is, how he always has a smile on his face in training etc. The journalist had to re-phrase the question, by which point Emery just seemed to brush it away. Get the feeling he doesn't really give a shit that Scotland beat Spain.
As a Basque it may be that Unai genuinely doesn't care a toss for Spain, or indeed anyone a bit Spainy like the 'Spainish'
In regards to Tom Ross question in 12 minute of the presser.
When Emery responded with a clear and obvious nose touch and then declared "I like him," I believe I saw a sign that was very intriguing and obvious to my trained eye.
I'm well versed in seeing things but for those who aren't familiar the gesture made is called the pinocchio effect.
I have more to say about Emery's hand gestures at the Villa news briefing on Unai Emery thread, including another clear and obvious sign to the trained eye. I also advise people to interpret between the lines of Emery's communication regarding his preference for mature players. That reveals a lot about some of the squads behavior.
You really do spout some absolute bollocks.
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 31, 2023, 03:14:56 PM
Well, I always listen and usually do what other posters request or say when all are considered. And you're one of sound reason, Monty.Utter, utter horseshitHow so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.
FV, it's worth learning all of these 'x means y' body language ideas are baseless pseudoscience.
I personally believed it to be rather accurate. However, wjen others cast some things in a different light despite some of my training in observation, I'm willing to close the case on this one as after all Unai Emery and the players of Aston Villa, don't need to have further investigation or scrutiny.
Apologies. Back to the subject of football.
Up The Villa!
Footy, you keep saying that you're trained, I'm interested to know what in?
Trolling?
Post by: Paul.S on March 31, 2023, 03:17:35 PM
Utter, utter horseshitHow so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.
I ask anyone to look it up.
And also anyone to watch clearly what occurs when Tom Ross asks a question on 12 mins. Then make up your minds now you know what a gesture called pinocchio effect is.
Apparently, a former USA president was also doing such with his hand to nose.
Anyway it was just an observation. If people don't want to pick up on those things then thats their preogrative.
Yes it is and I’ll not bother thanks.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 31, 2023, 03:19:26 PM
I hope he doesn't suffer from hayfever.
Steve Martin in Roxanne comes to mind.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 31, 2023, 05:49:20 PM
I've just watched the press conference, and the only thing Emery did when talking about McGinn was to rub the side of his head with his fingers. Which is something he does almost the entire time he's speaking in English, so if he was lying about his true feelings about McGinn, then he's lied about every single thing he's ever said since he came through the door. I don't think Emery's a liar, personally.
El
Post by: paul_e on March 31, 2023, 06:16:42 PM
In a situation where people are looking to catch you in a lie then lying or omitting the truth is stressful and hence this belief is created but it's a misleading correlation at best.
There are many other situations where you can feel under stress whilst talking and the same behaviours show up there.
For example: talking in a foreign language, discussing a topic that you're uncomfortable about, remembering something tangentially related that you need to do, being distracted by something completely unrelated, either as a memory or in your eyeline, etc. All of them, and many more, result in the same nose touch, fingers around your mouth, rubbing ears, etc behaviours and happen at least as often as lying (and probably far more so).
Post by: Beard82 on March 31, 2023, 06:18:07 PM
Thats some niche Only Fans contentI've just watched the press conference, and the only thing Emery did when talking about McGinn was to rub the side of his head with his fingers. Which is something he does almost the entire time he's speaking in English, so if he was lying about his true feelings about McGinn, then he's lied about every single thing he's ever said since he came through the door. I don't think Emery's a liar, personally.ElMaestroMentiroso
Post by: Ian. on March 31, 2023, 06:18:55 PM
Utter, utter horseshit
Is that your professional analysis of what Footy is trained in?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 31, 2023, 06:20:42 PM
Another classic is 'woman fiddling with her hair is into you'. Sometimes, maybe! But hardly always.
As espoused by former Brummie, Mike Skinner, in his "imperial phase".
"I saw this thing on ITV the other week
It said, that if she plays with her hair she's probably keen
She's playing with her hair regularly
So I reckon I could well be in"
Brilliant album, think I’ll listen to that tonight. Thanks Eamonn.
Post by: eamonn on March 31, 2023, 06:27:22 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 31, 2023, 06:46:50 PM
Blinded By The Lights still has it.
Love the concept of the album as a whole, it’s like listening to a film.
Simone, what a bitch.
Post by: FatSam on March 31, 2023, 11:55:56 PM
Footy, you keep saying that you're trained, I'm interested to know what in?In the house.
Post by: WassallVillain on April 01, 2023, 12:37:34 AM
Well, I always listen and usually do what other posters request or say when all are considered. And you're one of sound reason, Monty.Utter, utter horseshitHow so. Rubbing nose is a gesture that indicates deception.
FV, it's worth learning all of these 'x means y' body language ideas are baseless pseudoscience.
I personally believed it to be rather accurate. However, wjen others cast some things in a different light despite some of my training in observation, I'm willing to close the case on this one as after all Unai Emery and the players of Aston Villa, don't need to have further investigation or scrutiny.
Apologies. Back to the subject of football.
Up The Villa!
Footy, you keep saying that you're trained, I'm interested to know what in?
Earlier this week is was equine stuff he’s a good alrounder is footy v. Very entertaining.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 01, 2023, 01:10:21 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 01, 2023, 01:29:19 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.
I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 01, 2023, 02:05:47 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.
I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.
I definitely clocked but not straight away. Your mate sounds annoying :D... "Watch this film, I swear you won't believe who Keyser Soze is!!!"
Post by: Rory on April 01, 2023, 02:11:22 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.
I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.
I definitely clocked but not straight away. Your mate sounds annoying :D... "Watch this film, I swear you won't believe who Keyser Soze is!!!"
Is it Gabriel Byrne? 😉
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 01, 2023, 02:21:26 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.
I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.
I definitely clocked but not straight away. Your mate sounds annoying :D... "Watch this film, I swear you won't believe who Keyser Soze is!!!"
Is it Gabriel Byrne? 😉
Ssshhh! You know... is he any good? As an actor? I feel like I've barely seen him in anything. Maybe I just look in the wrong places. I vaguely recall him as the devil in the something.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 01, 2023, 02:40:20 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.
I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.
In China it was called "He's A Ghost".
Post by: Rory on April 01, 2023, 03:14:49 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.
I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.
I definitely clocked but not straight away. Your mate sounds annoying :D... "Watch this film, I swear you won't believe who Keyser Soze is!!!"
Is it Gabriel Byrne? 😉
Ssshhh! You know... is he any good? As an actor? I feel like I've barely seen him in anything. Maybe I just look in the wrong places. I vaguely recall him as the devil in the something.
Haha, End of Days, Schwarzenegger film. He was unfairly nominated for a Razzie.
Personally, I think he has a good screen presence, but he's a bit limited compared to some of the countrymen of his generation, like Brendan Gleeson or Ciarán Hinds.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 01, 2023, 03:34:02 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.
I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.
I definitely clocked but not straight away. Your mate sounds annoying :D... "Watch this film, I swear you won't believe who Keyser Soze is!!!"
He is annoying actually, but for reasons that are irrelevant on the football part of the site.
Post by: Rory on April 01, 2023, 03:35:22 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.
I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.
I definitely clocked but not straight away. Your mate sounds annoying :D... "Watch this film, I swear you won't believe who Keyser Soze is!!!"
He is annoying actually, but for reasons that are irrelevant on the football part of the site.
One of your Danny Dyer mates, Percy? 😉
Post by: Villan For Life on April 01, 2023, 08:31:21 AM
In a geography classroom at St Peter the Apostle High School back in 2010 a teenage John McGinn was presented with his first chance to write himself into Scottish football history. His teacher, Mr Ferrier, asked him to captain the school side for the Under-16 Shield the then 15-year-old did not think it was the cool thing to do so passed the responsibility to his friend Kieran.
It was only when they were crowned champions of the national tournament and it registered with McGinn that the winning captain had their name engraved on the trophy that he realised his mistake. “Some of Scotland’s best ever players are on there, and I turned it down. I regret it every day,” the Aston Villa midfielder says, smiling.
He was in a relaxed mood as he reflected on one of the best international breaks of his career; a goal against Cyprus and a historic 2-0 win against Spain. If he regretted missing that opportunity 13 years ago he has certainly made up for it
Their two wins put Scotland in good stead to qualify for next summer’s European Championship and McGinn hopes that it is the start of a new generation for the national side. With a number of big names on the Spain bench at Hampden Park on Tuesday there was a feeling in the home dressing room that Luis de la Fuente’s side had underestimated the steely Scots. “I don’t think they’d do that again,” McGinn says.
And then there were the post-match comments by the Manchester City midfielder Rodri, who accused them of playing “rubbish” football and time-wasting. But McGinn was not surprised or offended by the words from his Premier League counterpart.
“I think there needs to be a bit of realism, Scotland aren’t a team that can go toe-to-toe in a game that will suit Spain for 90 minutes because we would come out on the losing end. We have to find every single marginal gain that we can get,” he explains. “Whether that’s taking 30 seconds instead of ten for a throw-in, sometimes you need a breather. If any of the Spanish players tried playing right wing in that team the other night . . . I needed a breather. So I was shouting back to Angus [Gunn], ‘Take your time.’ If there’s anyone that was encouraging the time-wasting it was me.”
The 28-year-old has it down as one of his best moments in a Scotland shirt and it is a standout moment in a season that has been a learning curve. Thirteen years after turning down Mr Ferrier’s request to be captain of his school team, McGinn did not need to think twice when the same question was asked of him by Steven Gerrard. It was a big call by the former Aston Villa manager, who had decided that he wanted the midfielder as his captain instead of Tyrone Mings, the leader when Gerrard took charge.
“It was an amazing feeling having someone who’s achieved so much in the game telling you what they think of you. I was buzzing and proud to be a captain of a club this size,” McGinn says.
But unfortunately for McGinn, gaining the armband coincided with a drop in form that led to widespread criticism and then, in the two games after Gerrard’s dismissal, he lost his place
“The biggest disappointment for me and the biggest disappointment I have in my time under Gerrard is that I didn’t lead with the way I played, it wasn’t my best football,” he says. “Sometimes when you’re not playing well you get targeted by people saying you’re not a captain or a leader and you take it with a pinch of salt. But I certainly do have a bit of regret after the manager put a lot of faith in me and it wasn’t through a lack of effort or trying but I didn’t perform my best under him.”
While he was not bothered about the world of social media questioning his capabilities to lead the team he was disappointed that that filtered into some staff at the club. After Gerrard was sacked, McGinn was dropped for the next two games and cites it as one of the most difficult points in his career.
“It was my toughest few weeks as a player,” he says. “There was a lot of noise when the manager changed with people saying that I wasn’t good enough for Villa. A lot was said and I was disappointed at the time after the amount I’ve contributed while I’ve been here. There were people who had been here a long, long time that got sucked into thinking that I wasn’t good enough and that I was the issue.”
But under Unai Emery, and with the departure of some long-standing staff, the midfielder has found a new lease of life. He credited the Spaniard for making his own assessments and not listening to outside influences and he is thriving under his new manager.
McGinn has established himself as one of Emery’s most reliable players as they have navigated their way away from the congested relegation battle
“He and his staff judged with their own eyes which was so refreshing,” McGinn says. “I managed to just keep training and playing and bring my qualities to the team and thankfully so far I’ve been back in the team and in my best form that I’ve been in a while. It’s been refreshing to have that and obviously I’m glad to know that I’m not the problem after all.”
Far from being a problem, McGinn has established himself as one of Emery’s most reliable players as they have navigated their way away from the congested relegation battle to mid-table security.
Being coached by Emery has been a different experience for McGinn, who had previously only ever been managed by British former professionals. While he was not critical of any of his previous managers he did explain how the Spaniard brings a different perspective and more meticulous level of detail, which has taken the players some time to adapt to. And McGinn explained how he nearly had to get used to playing a totally new role in the team after Emery told him he could see him leading the line in Villa’s attack.
“When the manager came in he spoke to me about a few different positions he thought I could play, and one of them was upfront believe it or not,” he says. “I would have done it, I’d have been happy with that. My first game under him I came on up front against Manchester United, which is something I’ll be able to tell the grandkids. I think I lasted five minutes and then I got shifted to the wing.
“He asked me what my preferred position was and I’d spent a few weeks on the bench and I just said, ‘Not on the bench.’ I don’t think he could take me seriously.”
The squad knew from Emery’s first day on the job that things were going to be different under their new manager but it was not until McGinn was on the coach on the way back from their 2-0 win against Tottenham Hotspur on New Year’s Day that the penny dropped that they could be on to something really good.
“At half-time he came in and said he was delighted with the performance and we all sat wondering what was going on because we felt like we had been battered a bit. But he had planned the game to a tee and it was going exactly how he predicted,” McGinn says. “Then we went out and won 2-0 in the second half and I thought it was a bit mental.”
That was, for McGinn, the first of a number of moments under Emery that has made them believe they are at the beginning of an exciting journey. There is a renewed sense of optimism around the club’s Bodymoor Heath training ground and there are whisperings of European football as the team prepare for their final 11 games of the campaign.
“The owners have got massive ambitions. It has maybe taken a little bit longer than what we imagined but they want this team to be back in Europe consistently and not stop there,” he says. “There’s times when you’ve thought, is this going to happen? But with the manager coming in with his CV of European football there we’re starting to see signs that it could be possible and I’m sure he’s not going to stop until we get there.”
Post by: Bad English on April 01, 2023, 09:15:09 AM
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2023, 09:16:25 AM
this
Sorry mate :(
Post by: Baldy on April 01, 2023, 09:17:24 AM
We go on a lot about 5 subs, 9 subs and 2 goalies on the bench etc but I honestly believe having a master technician in charge is tantamount to having 15 substitutes on the bench.
Based on their attributes, Unai has more than one role in mind for most of our players and is quite happy to 'tweak' things on the field instead of always resorting to the bench. Going into precise detail about the oppositions strengths/weaknesses and thorough knowledge of our own players attributes is nectar to a Grand Master.
Unai knows 'there is more than one way to peel a potato'.
Post by: Bad English on April 01, 2023, 09:31:33 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on April 01, 2023, 09:51:48 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.
I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.
In China it was called "He's A Ghost".
I remember reading that the Chinese Government has a ‘Ministry of Certain Things’ which I thought was pretty handy.
Post by: Nev on April 01, 2023, 10:01:43 AM
What is also obvious from that interview is that there is a chasm between the likes of Gerrard and Emery, the latter is a coach, the former an ex player almost "having a go at it". Perhaps this is why the likes of him and Lampard will never be successful?
Post by: brontebilly on April 01, 2023, 10:07:47 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 01, 2023, 10:08:48 AM
I thought it wasn't great against Spurs in the first half as well. It is about confidence and belief for both the players and the fans, that much is now obvious.That’s right, Emery is a coach first and is focussed on every aspect of the game as opposed to those that think it’s all about media stuff, swanning about , turning up to training occasionally and picking the team.
What is also obvious from that interview is that there is a chasm between the likes of Gerrard and Emery, the latter is a coach, the former an ex player almost "having a go at it". Perhaps this is why the likes of him and Lampard will never be successful?
Post by: olaftab on April 01, 2023, 10:08:57 AM
It's no good apologise now after totally ignoring what Sir had said. Detention slip will be issued, shortly.this
Sorry mate :(
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 01, 2023, 10:31:11 AM
I wonder who had been at the club a long time who had written him off?
Post by: Villan For Life on April 01, 2023, 10:41:53 AM
I wonder who had been at the club a long time who had written him off?
Presumably someone who has left since Emery came in?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 01, 2023, 10:56:30 AM
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 01, 2023, 11:17:00 AM
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Spain captain Rodri criticised Scotland's "rubbish" approach to football after his team were on the end of a Hampden defeat in the Euro 2024 qualifiers.
The Manchester City player accused Scotland of time-wasting and provocation after Manchester United midfielder Scott McTominay hit a double to earn Scotland a 2-0 victory and a first win over Spain in 39 years.
Spain had not been beaten in Euro qualifying since 2014, when they were beaten 2-1 by Slovakia ahead of the 2016 tournament in France.
They had won 34 of their last 38 European qualifying matches, with three draws, but at Hampden Park they looked unsettled.
Rodri skippered a side featuring eight changes from their previous game, and he criticised the way Scotland went about their work.
"We did many good things to win," he said on Viaplay. "We conceded easy goals - this is football, if you concede easy goals you are penalised.
"It's the way they play, but for me it's rubbish, always wasting time, provoking you, always they fall. For me, this is not football. The referee has to take on this, but he says nothing.
"We will learn for the next time. We want to go for duels, for battles - we always fight, but this is not about fighting. It's about wasting time - four, five players on the floor, but this depends on the referee, not on us.
"Today we did many good things, but what's important is the goal, and we didn't score."
David Garcia, who was making his Spain debut, also blamed the results on the length of the pitch at Hampden.
He told Marca: "We already saw that the grass was too long, and that cost us. We can't make excuses for that, we have to look at ourselves and fix what we did wrong today."
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 01, 2023, 11:36:53 AM
Not Cutts?
He did say someone who’s been there a long long time??
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 01, 2023, 01:40:11 PM
I thought it wasn't great against Spurs in the first half as well. It is about confidence and belief for both the players and the fans, that much is now obvious.
What is also obvious from that interview is that there is a chasm between the likes of Gerrard and Emery, the latter is a coach, the former an ex player almost "having a go at it". Perhaps this is why the likes of him and Lampard will never be successful?
That’s a great observation. No one mentions Gerrard (lampard) the coach whereas that’s what they should be judged on, it is their current careers.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 01, 2023, 02:12:08 PM
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Post by: eamonn on April 01, 2023, 03:37:42 PM
Also, a bit surprised and disappointed that he feels so sensitive about people questioning his worth to the Villa. He had been out of form for a long time and in fairness he seems to acknowledge that but his ultimate conclusion is that the scrutiny and criticism wasn't warranted.
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2023, 03:47:02 PM
Some interesting quotes from McGinn in that. I wonder who he is referring to when he mentions long-term people at the club questioning his quality.
Also, a bit surprised and disappointed that he feels so sensitive about people questioning his worth to the Villa. He had been out of form for a long time and in fairness he seems to acknowledge that but his ultimate conclusion is that the scrutiny and criticism wasn't warranted.
Yep, not a fan of players mouthing off to be honest, he should button it and just get on with playing.
Post by: KevinGage on April 01, 2023, 05:07:40 PM
McGinn is a spiky character, it's a positive if he used those sort of doubts as fuel for the fire. Rather than sulking and pushing for a move.
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Post by: Ian. on April 01, 2023, 07:39:30 PM
Whether you're keen on him or not, that was some performance from Super John McGinn.
In this form and with this manager I very much doubt anyone is not keen on him. In fact most that had doubted him, myself included, were probably gutted to do so. It’s so good to have him back to this level.
What a player!
Post by: Somniloquism on April 01, 2023, 07:44:40 PM
Whether you're keen on him or not, that was some performance from Super John McGinn.
In this form and with this manager I very much doubt anyone is not keen on him. In fact most that had doubted him, myself included, were probably gutted to do so. It’s so good to have him back to this level.
What a player!
Although there was question marks over the opposition, you could see the way he carried Scotland forward that he was still a player. Previous management of lets try forcing Luiz and McGinn to play "this way" and hope they gel does seem to be a major problem. (even under Smith).
I actually think Emery could have got Lampard and Gerrard playing well in the same team he seems that good.
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Post by: eamonn on April 01, 2023, 08:04:46 PM
He also seems to retain respect from opposition players who are wary of engaging him physically. That run of his, head ducked is almost as innovative as his arse shuffle. It completely bamboozled opponents and usually means he can drive us up the field with the ball.
Post by: Baldy on April 01, 2023, 08:09:47 PM
Sir Alex was right with his 50 million valuation.
Post by: brontebilly on April 01, 2023, 08:26:15 PM
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Post by: Nev on April 01, 2023, 09:03:12 PM
And he was far too generous to the previous manager tonight.
Post by: rougegorge on April 01, 2023, 09:23:32 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 01, 2023, 09:34:30 PM
To many previous posters , I trust the humble pie is going down well.
I was due a small slice. It is, and it's delicious.
And I have to disagree that he's back to his best: I think he's playing at a level above anything he's shown us before. For weeks if not months now he's been one of the best players in the division.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 01, 2023, 10:40:41 PM
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 02, 2023, 12:36:36 AM
A proper manager is now getting the best out of him.
Post by: TonyD on April 02, 2023, 12:43:37 AM
He admitted himself on Sky that his form was rubbish earlier in the season. Now he’s back to his best.Did you notice Ollie’s body language when McGinn talked about Gerrard.
Very telling.
Post by: adrenachrome on April 02, 2023, 12:54:09 AM
He admitted himself on Sky that his form was rubbish earlier in the season. Now he’s back to his best.Did you notice Ollie’s body language when McGinn talked about Gerrard.
Very telling.
Deffo innit.
Stroked his right gonad while rasing the left eyebrow. As Lady Gaga pointed out in her seminal song "Poker Face", this is a clear tell denoting a Full Flush, whatever that is.
Post by: Matt C on April 02, 2023, 02:42:47 AM
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Post by: eamonn on April 03, 2023, 10:25:31 AM
I also like that he actually shows some of his personality in his interviews, unlike most players. You can only media-train those with Gaelic blood, so much, after all. The bit in bold at the end, is telling:
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“It’s been a long time coming,” he said.
“It’s obviously been bothering me a wee bit and it was in the back of my mind after I scored with Scotland after 19 minutes. I was thinking ‘ah, typical’.
“So, I just thought I’d keep my head down, the amount of times I’ve had shots blocked from the edge of the box trying to lace it.
“I’ve just given it the side-foot, got enough power and thankfully it’s gone in the back of the net, so I’m delighted.”
“It’s a tough place to come,” he said.
“Since I’ve been here (at Villa), we’ve not won here, but we’ve always played pretty well. So, we were due one.
“We probably didn’t play as well as we can in the first half, but we scored a great goal, and could have scored a couple of others.
“We’re running hard, we’re working hard, we’re sticking together as a team. And even in those bad moments, you don’t really feel anyone is going to let you down. And that’s an amazing feeling.
“We’re on a brilliant run and you just never know what can happen.”
Post by: Nev on April 03, 2023, 10:29:44 AM
He was already having a great game so when he scored I ran down the living room and almost threw myself through the window.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 03, 2023, 10:44:21 AM
I said a while back when he was going though his slump that we'd get £20m for him if we sold him which got laughed at by some. We'd get more than that now. Cracking player who has never hid. Well done Meatball.
I mentioned this on the 2022 transfer thread. Emery might yet decide McGinn is not in his long term plans but at least if he does we will be selling for near his ceiling price. If we’d signed someone else McGinn its likely he’d have stayed on the bench for the remainder of the season and we’d be selling for £20m max.
That’s not me advocating selling him, just stressing another good thing about Emery. He’s sweating the existing assets rather than trying to buy a squad of players that suit his system (completely the opposite of Gerrard who suggested our players were too limited to understand his system).
Post by: darren woolley on April 03, 2023, 11:47:34 AM
Post by: Risso on April 03, 2023, 11:56:38 AM
He has never changed as a player since the day he joined. He just needs a good gaffer.
I don't think this is true. For one thing he's obviously a lot leaner and fitter now. Even my missus who doesn't follow football much said when she saw him on the telly "God, McGinn's lost weight."
Post by: ez on April 03, 2023, 03:44:35 PM
Beautiful strike and another great all round performance. He’s had a very fine week.
The set piece coach is claiming that move 😉
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 03, 2023, 03:55:17 PM
Add to my stance on SJM the fact i clearly thought Mings and Watkins were also ready to be binned
Could I of been any more wrong? Selling Ings and giving Watkins the responsibility for leading our line has made him explode back into the form of his life.
Mings i am sure appreciates that UE will not be asking to "look him in the eyes" or any other bollocks - just coaching and moulding him into one of the best defenders in the league - even better by making Mouthgate look the mug he is for sticking with Slabhead and co
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 03, 2023, 08:36:36 PM
I am still eating humble pie - and loving every minute of itthat's what happened,knobhead hypnotized Mings
Add to my stance on SJM the fact i clearly thought Mings and Watkins were also ready to be binned
Could I of been any more wrong? Selling Ings and giving Watkins the responsibility for leading our line has made him explode back into the form of his life.
Mings i am sure appreciates that UE will not be asking to "look him in the eyes" or any other bollocks - just coaching and moulding him into one of the best defenders in the league - even better by making Mouthgate look the mug he is for sticking with Slabhead and co
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 03, 2023, 10:49:42 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 04, 2023, 12:12:39 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.
I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.
I definitely clocked but not straight away. Your mate sounds annoying :D... "Watch this film, I swear you won't believe who Keyser Soze is!!!"
He is annoying actually, but for reasons that are irrelevant on the football part of the site.
One of your Danny Dyer mates, Percy? 😉
I don’t find my Danny Dyer mates annoying unless they’ve got dodgy politics. This one is not a DD, but he has got dodgy politics.
Post by: Rory on April 04, 2023, 12:50:15 AM
I reckon Footy knew Bruce Willis was a ghost straight away.
I did. But to be fair, my mate who recommended watching it told me there was a twist so I was on alert.
I definitely clocked but not straight away. Your mate sounds annoying :D... "Watch this film, I swear you won't believe who Keyser Soze is!!!"
He is annoying actually, but for reasons that are irrelevant on the football part of the site.
One of your Danny Dyer mates, Percy? 😉
I don’t find my Danny Dyer mates annoying unless they’ve got dodgy politics. This one is not a DD, but he has got dodgy politics.
Say no more.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 04, 2023, 01:35:04 AM
Post by: algy on April 10, 2023, 09:05:27 AM
https://www.shropshirestar.com/sport/football/2023/04/10/john-mcginn-aston-villa-must-be-almost-perfect-to-realise-european-dream/
Post by: eamonn on April 10, 2023, 09:39:37 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 10, 2023, 09:58:42 AM
John always dreamed of Shropshire
He’s down at Bob Warman’s static caravan at Oswestry for the bank holiday.
Knowing what Bob is like, he probably got McGinn to speak with an old mate at the Shropshire Star in return for letting him have the ‘van.
Post by: Mister E on April 10, 2023, 11:14:55 AM
Interview in the Shropshire StarDoes F-V know that McGinn's taken off to Shropshire?
https://www.shropshirestar.com/sport/football/2023/04/10/john-mcginn-aston-villa-must-be-almost-perfect-to-realise-european-dream/
Post by: dave shelley on April 10, 2023, 11:29:41 AM
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Post by: Risso on April 15, 2023, 06:12:17 PM
I just wanted to bump this up. He was fucking great today.
Absolutey immense. Gave Dan Burn a torrid time from the off.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on April 15, 2023, 09:56:46 PM
Close to MOTM again today.I just wanted to bump this up. He was fucking great today.
Absolutey immense. Gave Dan Burn a torrid time from the off.
Love the way he is playing.
Post by: Gareth on April 15, 2023, 10:04:46 PM
Seems so long ago that he looked lost under that idiot playing that stupid auxiliary full back role
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 15, 2023, 10:11:42 PM
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Post by: Risso on April 16, 2023, 12:19:33 AM
The challenge in the first minute after Ollie hit the post set the tone, he absolutely slammed Burn because the opportunity presented itself
That was great. Went through him like a dose of salts.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 17, 2023, 02:54:44 PM
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John McGinn hasn't wasted the opportunity to put Callum Wilson in his place after the Newcastle striker's " fire brigade" remark.
Wilson gave McGinn's Aston Villa plenty ammunition ahead of their meeting on Saturday, as he suggested the emergency services were need to put "the fire out". The comment was a reference to Newcastle's superb form under Eddie Howe this season.
Villa responded by thumping Newcastle 3-0 at home on Saturday to dent their Premier League top-four hopes. Not content with their resounding win, Scotland international McGinn has made a cheeky remark of his own to leave Wilson with his egg on his face.
McGinn was asked about Wilson's pre-match comment after Saturday's game during a chat with the Express & Star. He replied: "Actually, I didn’t notice that but like a lot of emergency services at the minute, the fire brigade must have been on strike."
Newcastle are enjoying a superb season under Eddie Howe. They are fourth in the Premier League table, three points ahead of Tottenham in fifth, and are now expected to beat the likes of Spurs and Liverpool to a Champions League qualification spot.
As such, Wilson was full of confidence heading into Saturday's game. "Looks like we're going to have to put the fire out," Wilson told the BBC's Footballer's Football Podcast - delivering his now regrettable line. "Someone call the fire brigade!"We've won the last five. On form it's a good fixture, they'll have extra motivation as we beat them [Villa] 4-0 at home. It's going to be a game where they want to get their own back in front of the fans. It's going to be a difficult match."
It proved to be exactly that, as a brace from Ollie Watkins helped Villa ease to victory. Unai Emery's side have now picked up 22 points from the last 24 available to jump up to sixth in the Premier League table - just six points behind Newcastle in fourth.
While it seems unlikely Villa will catch Newcastle, qualifying for Europe is now a possibility for the West Midlands club. McGinn is confident his team can get over the line.
The Scot added: "I said last week we need to be almost perfect to get European football. I think we would maybe need to be 100 per cent to get there [Champions League].
"As much as we are getting really excited, it is important we make sure the group does not get too carried away. As good as we feel at the moment, this game can bring you down like a ton of bricks.
"Brentford next week is a huge game for us. They are someone we have been chasing all season and now we have the opportunity to put them behind us. Once it is full-time there, we will see where we are."
Post by: Pat Mustard on April 17, 2023, 02:56:10 PM
The challenge in the first minute after Ollie hit the post set the tone, he absolutely slammed Burn because the opportunity presented itself
I said to a couple of mates after the game that McGinn had bullied Burn from the first minute - so much so I thought he might cry when Howe finally put him out of his misery and brought him off.
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Post by: LeeB on April 17, 2023, 03:07:37 PM
The challenge in the first minute after Ollie hit the post set the tone, he absolutely slammed Burn because the opportunity presented itself
I said to a couple of mates after the game that McGinn had bullied Burn from the first minute - so much so I thought he might cry when Howe finally put him out of his misery and brought him off.
Dan Burn will have been questioning his own existence after Saturday
Post by: Risso on April 17, 2023, 03:28:41 PM
Dan Burn will have been questioning his own existence after Saturday
He appeard to have a bit of a "Buendia" ie a mild strop at his manager as he was subbed. The huge fucking donkey.
Post by: danno on April 17, 2023, 03:30:52 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 17, 2023, 03:32:52 PM
I did laugh when Matt Targett came on, in a sort of what do you expect him to do? kind of way.
i was relieved when he came on and then felt bad for feeling , then ecstatic and then hungry 🤔
Post by: Nev on April 17, 2023, 03:39:29 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 17, 2023, 03:52:41 PM
I think he touched the ball once in that first half, and he touched our Captain constantly. I was incandescent with the ref for letting it go but in hindsight it made it worse for Burn. He was like a bouncer manhandling someone out of The Tuxedo Princess.
It was like an octopus trying to wrestle a bear, but the bear is a bit bored and just getting on with his day despite the minor inconvenience.
Post by: Drummond on April 17, 2023, 04:10:15 PM
I think he touched the ball once in that first half, and he touched our Captain constantly. I was incandescent with the ref for letting it go but in hindsight it made it worse for Burn. He was like a bouncer manhandling someone out of The Tuxedo Princess.
It was like an octopus trying to wrestle a bear, but the bear is a bit bored and just getting on with his day despite the minor inconvenience.
It was a big fucking octopus. More like an 8 armed elephant.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 21, 2023, 05:51:30 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fhjs64
Post by: Rigadon on April 21, 2023, 06:05:05 PM
Actually brilliant from Callum Wilson responding to SJM’s comments after last weeks game
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fhjs64
Yeah, fair play. People say daft shit all the time at work don't they.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 21, 2023, 06:25:32 PM
Actually brilliant from Callum Wilson responding to SJM’s comments after last weeks game
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fhjs64
90% of that podcast is someone laughing over everyone else / “bro” / “You know what I mean”.
Bring back that Joe Devine bell end and the droning on and on about XG.
All is forgiven.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 21, 2023, 06:32:00 PM
Actually brilliant from Callum Wilson responding to SJM’s comments after last weeks game
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fhjs64
90% of that podcast is someone laughing over everyone else / “bro” / “You know what I mean”.
Bring back that Joe Devine bell end and the droning on and on about XG.
All is forgiven.
Oh believe me, I’m not listening to the 90%. It’s precisely as you’ve described it. I’d be fearing that useless, laughing like a twat wanker Micah Richards to jump onto my screen any minute.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on April 21, 2023, 06:46:23 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on April 21, 2023, 08:34:29 PM
https://twitter.com/5liveSport/status/1649402176815472642?t=UV-hxE44V0lxrmhM4o01wg&s=19
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Post by: Risso on April 26, 2023, 12:28:06 AM
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Post by: Pat Mustard on April 26, 2023, 08:14:08 AM
A mention for John McGinn's corners tonight. Looks like he's been practising with Luiz, because they were put into really dangerous areas just under the bar. Great stuff.
Every one of our corners in the first half was delivered with real pace and intent, with no short corners or floaty nonsense - it was obvious that it was part of the game plan against Fulham. I don't know whether that is just down to McPhee or the fact that Emery is more open to working on specific plans for specific teams, but they just seem to have cracked every opponent's weaknesses at the moment.
I said after the first 2 or 3 corners that we would score off one eventually as it was such a clear part of what we had worked on this week, and just like pretty much everyone else before them Fulham could do absolutely nothing about it.
Post by: Drummond on April 26, 2023, 11:24:52 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on April 26, 2023, 11:28:22 AM
Fulham were a big side, and floaty corners would have allowed them time to cover, I think a pacier version gave us more chance. Anyway, McGinn is doing just fine thank you very much.
I thought they were a particularly small side other than a couple of defenders.
Post by: Drummond on April 26, 2023, 11:29:48 AM
Fulham were a big side, and floaty corners would have allowed them time to cover, I think a pacier version gave us more chance. Anyway, McGinn is doing just fine thank you very much.
I thought they were a particularly small side other than a couple of defenders.
That centre half was huge, I think that's what I meant.
Post by: Risso on April 26, 2023, 11:31:59 AM
Fulham were a big side, and floaty corners would have allowed them time to cover, I think a pacier version gave us more chance. Anyway, McGinn is doing just fine thank you very much.
I thought they were a particularly small side other than a couple of defenders.
That centre half was huge, I think that's what I meant.
We couldn't tell if they were a small side lining up at kick off or if it was just that their defender was a giant. He looked taller than Mings anyway.
Post by: Drummond on April 26, 2023, 11:32:44 AM
Fulham were a big side, and floaty corners would have allowed them time to cover, I think a pacier version gave us more chance. Anyway, McGinn is doing just fine thank you very much.
I thought they were a particularly small side other than a couple of defenders.
That centre half was huge, I think that's what I meant.
We couldn't tell if they were a small side lining up at kick off or if it was just that their defender was a giant. He looked taller than Mings anyway.
He had pretty good control too to be fair.
Post by: Chris Smith on April 26, 2023, 11:38:04 AM
Fulham were a big side, and floaty corners would have allowed them time to cover, I think a pacier version gave us more chance. Anyway, McGinn is doing just fine thank you very much.
I thought they were a particularly small side other than a couple of defenders.
That centre half was huge, I think that's what I meant.
Yes he was, was but normally we look like a small group alongside opponents but it was the other way round last night.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 26, 2023, 11:48:06 AM
Post by: Smithy on April 26, 2023, 12:42:55 PM
i thought their centre half looked good , who was he ?
Tosin? Another one from the Man City youth production line. Played a few cup games for them as a teenager, but then had a few loans and ended up at Fulham. Still only 25, but been around for a while now.
Post by: paul_e on April 26, 2023, 04:14:23 PM
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Post by: aldridgeboy on May 13, 2023, 05:15:21 PM
Double points for knocking Kane down with his arse
Post by: ldavfc4eva on May 13, 2023, 05:41:50 PM
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 13, 2023, 06:20:39 PM
When the babby had his name on his shirt at the start of the season I had to bite my lip - was going to say ‘he’s not gonna have a good season and I don’t think he’ll play much’. Marvellous under Unai’s tutelage.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 13, 2023, 06:32:05 PM
Anyone got some Haggis humble Pie I can munch on?
Post by: Kevin Dawson on May 13, 2023, 06:33:11 PM
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Post by: Clampy on May 13, 2023, 06:57:56 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 07:01:36 PM
Ex supposed shit fat bastard was immense. He bossed that midfield at times.
He's been like a man reborn since he came back from Dublin. Pleased for him.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 13, 2023, 07:25:55 PM
Ex supposed shit fat bastard was immense. He bossed that midfield at times.
He's been like a man reborn since he came back from Dublin. Pleased for him.
Haha, spot on.
Post by: Ian. on May 13, 2023, 08:11:26 PM
So happy for him and so happy he’s ours and not producing this form for another team elsewhere.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 13, 2023, 08:16:27 PM
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Post by: Deano's Mullet on May 13, 2023, 08:37:01 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 13, 2023, 08:43:13 PM
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 13, 2023, 09:35:02 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 14, 2023, 10:43:13 AM
Captain's performance, lead by example. 'Super' doesn't do him enough credit, 'Superb' is more fitting but it does work with his song.
Lead by example - couldn’t agree more. A real captain’s performance.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 14, 2023, 10:45:18 AM
SJM should be player of the season.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on May 14, 2023, 01:33:11 PM
If he, Tyrone, Luis & big Emi finish their careers with us, they will all be major trophy holders and Villa legends, as per the last league/European winning team where.
Post by: andyh on May 14, 2023, 01:40:55 PM
The Scouse prick had him playing n a narrow corridor up and down the left side of midfield where he rarely ventured from.
He was shackled, stifled and nearly ruined,
He now has the freedom of the park, he covers every blade of grass, many times over and is back to his brilliant best.
His loss of form and impact was 100% down to the scouse prick and not because SJM isn’t good enough.
Post by: Flin5tone on May 14, 2023, 02:24:40 PM
Post by: Drummond on May 14, 2023, 02:30:45 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2023, 02:36:26 PM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1657740798035652611?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
Post by: Axl Rose on May 14, 2023, 02:40:51 PM
Pleased for him.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2023, 02:43:25 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 14, 2023, 03:03:41 PM
Post by: OCD on May 14, 2023, 09:50:19 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2023, 11:15:14 PM
Recently, he finally realised what was going on and realised how to play his role in the team under Emery instructions
I worry about him because I think a lot better technical player who offers and scores more goals will replace him come the summer.
He might be reduced to the Henderson of Liverpool type and used from the bench or rotated in but not a first choicer.
Certainly he would be required and valued for the squad if Villa were to get the extra matches with European matches.
But as he's just not a goal-scoring midfielder he's going to be upgraded to one who is in my view.
Post by: Rory on May 14, 2023, 11:19:03 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwF6uLsX0AA4tAo?format=jpg&name=small)
Every woman's dream.
Post by: Drummond on May 14, 2023, 11:22:00 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 15, 2023, 12:03:43 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 15, 2023, 06:59:45 AM
McGinn did perform wonderfully against Spurs despite receiving a booking.Yes let’s replace him with Ayez Perez :-[ :o :-X
Recently, he finally realised what was going on and realised how to play his role in the team under Emery instructions
I worry about him because I think a lot better technical player who offers and scores more goals will replace him come the summer.
He might be reduced to the Henderson of Liverpool type and used from the bench or rotated in but not a first choicer.
Certainly he would be required and valued for the squad if Villa were to get the extra matches with European matches.
But as he's just not a goal-scoring midfielder he's going to be upgraded to one who is in my view.
Post by: brontebilly on May 15, 2023, 09:02:51 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on May 15, 2023, 09:22:28 AM
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2023, 09:25:41 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 15, 2023, 09:30:55 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on May 15, 2023, 09:37:16 AM
There’s a reel on twitter of his highlights from Saturday. Sorry I don’t know how to link tweets.Just copying the address bar will do it
https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1657529761256685568
Post by: Drummond on May 15, 2023, 09:42:41 AM
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2023, 09:43:06 AM
Post by: Drummond on May 15, 2023, 09:45:59 AM
He makes Richarlison look spectacularly shit in that reel. Which of course, he is.
Kane looks like a lumbering oaf too.
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2023, 09:50:40 AM
He makes Richarlison look spectacularly shit in that reel. Which of course, he is.
I pulled that 'shape to pass wide then turn inside the player' a couple of times last night at football, was one of my old faves but McGinn inspired me to bring it out again and surprisingly it worked.
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2023, 09:51:31 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 15, 2023, 10:41:46 AM
There’s a reel on twitter of his highlights from Saturday. Sorry I don’t know how to link tweets.Just copying the address bar will do it
https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1657529761256685568
I’m on the app on my phone, there doesn’t seem to be an address bar.
Post by: Rigadon on May 15, 2023, 10:45:32 AM
I might try it tomorrow evening. I'm not expecting much success though.
You needed to do the written word equivalent of when footballers and staff speak behind a cupped hand there. Your opponent will no doubt be waiting for the move now.
That said, premier league footballers must know full well what SJM does with his arse by now, and it doesn’t stop it from working.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 15, 2023, 10:59:14 AM
There’s a reel on twitter of his highlights from Saturday. Sorry I don’t know how to link tweets.Just copying the address bar will do it
https://twitter.com/buendiazboyz/status/1657529761256685568
I’m on the app on my phone, there doesn’t seem to be an address bar.
In the App, you have serveral icons at the bottom of the tweet. One will have an UP arrow which is Share Tweet. Once clicked you have the option to copy link.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 15, 2023, 11:01:08 AM
The skipper
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1657740798035652611?s=46&t=0-BUXD66ovTcofwrbTW4Ag
The last section with the challenge where the player dove in with two feet and luckily missed. The ref did blow for it but did he give a yellow as that was totally uncontrolled?
Post by: Bad English on May 15, 2023, 11:13:53 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 15, 2023, 11:15:06 AM
He makes Richarlison look spectacularly shit in that reel. Which of course, he is.
Kane looks like a lumbering oaf too.
If you notice, after that Kane doesn't press him tight again, keeping his respectful distance.
Post by: darren woolley on May 15, 2023, 11:20:58 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 15, 2023, 11:22:39 AM
Sussed it, thanks.
Post by: Drummond on May 15, 2023, 12:11:35 PM
He makes Richarlison look spectacularly shit in that reel. Which of course, he is.
Kane looks like a lumbering oaf too.
If you notice, after that Kane doesn't press him tight again, keeping his respectful distance.
Yep, just sort of goes within a couple of yards, and then jogs off the other way...
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2023, 02:15:52 PM
Perez is more an attacking player.McGinn did perform wonderfully against Spurs despite receiving a booking.Yes let’s replace him with Ayez Perez :-[ :o :-X
Recently, he finally realised what was going on and realised how to play his role in the team under Emery instructions
I worry about him because I think a lot better technical player who offers and scores more goals will replace him come the summer.
He might be reduced to the Henderson of Liverpool type and used from the bench or rotated in but not a first choicer.
Certainly he would be required and valued for the squad if Villa were to get the extra matches with European matches.
But as he's just not a goal-scoring midfielder he's going to be upgraded to one who is in my view.
Wouldn't compare them but I know who I think would get more goals
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 15, 2023, 08:26:47 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2023, 04:03:17 AM
Old Flinstone isn’t going to be happy reading this.
Post by: astonvilla82 on May 22, 2023, 06:33:25 AM
John McGinn on Aston Villa European dream, Unai Emery's obsession & the manager's pull this summer. "We could probably sell out the ground twice over next week. It's a passionate club, a sleeping giant and hopefully next week we can start to wake up a wee bit."But is it a sellout or are they just saying that?
Old Flinstone isn’t going to be happy reading this.
Post by: Deano's Mullet on May 22, 2023, 08:29:27 AM
Post by: AV82EC on May 22, 2023, 08:37:55 AM
What drives me mad is rival fans saying we shut the Upper Trinity most of the championship years when every time it actually was open we filled it. Wasn't it more of a police thing rather than lack of interest?
Lack of interest in the first 1 and a bit seasons.
Post by: LeeB on May 22, 2023, 08:42:38 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 25, 2023, 08:41:17 AM
"McGinn, 28, has been back at the heart of the Villa team since Emery’s appointment in November. It has been a notable turnaround since the end of October when McGinn was left out of the side by caretaker manager Aaron Danks for the home fixture against Brentford.
Since Emery took over, the Scotland international has been played in his best position and back at his best levels of performance. He has two years left on his existing deal, the third he has signed since joining the club five years ago"
Source: ITK John Percy
Post by: Matt C on May 28, 2023, 07:18:19 PM
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2023, 01:36:47 AM
Post by: Rory on May 29, 2023, 01:58:17 AM
Him and Mings are 21st century Villa icons. Championship to Europe. Undisputable.
Absolutely. It's not just about pots and pans - these guys have been with us from pretty much our lowest ebb in half a century, they helped drag us back and will still be key players for us in Europe next year.
Post by: Rory on May 29, 2023, 01:59:55 AM
In that three years we had a higher average than Leeds in two out of the three seasons, and that's with them having the Emery-esque appointment, at that level anyway, of Bielsa
To be fair, I think Leeds did have some black players during that time. That's bound to have affected their attendances.
Post by: adrenachrome on May 29, 2023, 05:08:14 AM
Post by: Bad English on May 29, 2023, 07:22:42 AM
Snort!In that three years we had a higher average than Leeds in two out of the three seasons, and that's with them having the Emery-esque appointment, at that level anyway, of Bielsa
To be fair, I think Leeds did have some black players during that time. That's bound to have affected their attendances.
Post by: dave shelley on May 29, 2023, 08:17:06 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 08:35:08 AM
Him and Mings are 21st century Villa icons. Championship to Europe. Undisputable.
Just need to see them lift a trophy now…
Post by: Richard E on May 29, 2023, 08:36:16 AM
Post by: OCD on May 29, 2023, 11:17:43 AM
Post by: Goldenballs on May 29, 2023, 11:25:16 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on May 29, 2023, 11:37:25 AM
I’m celebrating the end of 5 years of growth and improvement and the start of the next era. And I’m celebrating the fact that we now go into games we have to win and actually win.
7th and ECL is the least of what I want us to achieve, but it’s the next step on the ladder.
Post by: Steve67 on May 29, 2023, 11:51:09 AM
Post by: Monty on May 29, 2023, 11:53:06 AM
Post by: KevinGage on May 29, 2023, 12:13:09 PM
In his interview with Pat Murphy on the radio last night he said that Villa shouldn’t really be celebrating 7th place because we should be higher. He gets this club.
100%
Post by: LeeB on May 29, 2023, 12:23:19 PM
Conference League is nice, just ask West Ham and Fiorentina (and Roma!). But the thing to really celebrate is that it symbolises our return to contender status. We've finished above Spurs - and miles above Chelsea - to get there, we've won 18 games, and we just look like a real team. It's the best we've been since the O'Neill days and, with this manager and ownership structure, this time feels infinitely more sustainable, like the real thing. That's what we're celebrating really.
Absolutely this, and for me also that we set out to achieve an unlikely target and actually did it. It feels like a cup win in that sense, and I think it will do wonders for belief going forward
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2023, 12:56:29 PM
In his interview with Pat Murphy on the radio last night he said that Villa shouldn’t really be celebrating 7th place because we should be higher. He gets this club.
Next year I am going to agree with this. If we maintain our trajectory then Conference qualification will be something of a disappointment as we will have dropped into it from a CL or Europa position in the table.
Post by: Bad English on May 30, 2023, 12:25:21 PM
Anyone seen Wilma? Post-match thread perhaps? Have they read the latest article spewed out by the Pravda app?
Post by: dave shelley on May 30, 2023, 12:59:55 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2023, 01:47:21 PM
Quote
When asked about Emery’s impact, he said: “Unbelievable. He’s a bit mad but he’s brilliant.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 30, 2023, 02:07:11 PM
Just saw this, made me chuckle, from SJMQuoteWhen asked about Emery’s impact, he said: “Unbelievable. He’s a bit mad but he’s brilliant.
You could say the same about SJM.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 30, 2023, 02:32:46 PM
“The club’s got no ceiling. There’s a long waiting list for Season Tickets and everyone wants to be a part of Aston Villa.” J. McGinn.
Anyone seen Wilma? Post-match thread perhaps? Have they read the latest article spewed out by the Pravda app?
obviously all that Guinness in Dublin
Post by: astonvilla82 on May 30, 2023, 03:38:23 PM
“The club’s got no ceiling. There’s a long waiting list for Season Tickets and everyone wants to be a part of Aston Villa.” J. McGinn.There's no waiting list for season tickets, it's all propaganda
Anyone seen Wilma? Post-match thread perhaps? Have they read the latest article spewed out by the Pravda app?
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2023, 05:11:34 PM
Exclusive interview: Villa captain is thriving under the Spanish manager and wishes he had experienced non-British coaching ideas sooner
By Jason Burt, CHIEF FOOTBALL CORRESPONDENT
John McGinn returned to Aston Villa’s training ground at Bodymoor Heath last week for one last time this season. He was there to collect his boots ahead of reporting for international duty with Scotland and popped in to say hello to head coach Unai Emery.
“He was watching back the Brighton game,” McGinn says. “That just shows you he is obsessed about football and improving us. He is dedicated to making us better.”
That 2-1 home victory over Brighton sealed Villa’s seventh-place finish in the Premier League and a return to European football for the first time in 13 years, qualifying for the Europa Conference League.
“Get your passports, see you in Europe,” a beaming McGinn declared on the Villa Park pitch afterwards amid exuberant scenes and it capped an extraordinary campaign for the club and for him personally. “It’s been a rollercoaster,” he says. “And now this is the highest I have ever been in football.”
The 28-year-old is in the form of his life – so much so that Villa want to extend his contract even though it has two years still to run. “My agent is good at dealing with this stuff,” he says. “It’s been quite a turnaround. If that had been mentioned in October or November it would have been laughed at.”
What McGinn says next would certainly have been laughed at. But not now. “The challenge is can we keep that consistency next season and why not challenge for top four?” he poses. “We are in that way – the structure, the belief. Everything has come together.”
It felt very different not so long ago. Last summer McGinn was made Villa captain by manager Steven Gerrard but the season started badly with just two wins in 12. A relegation battle loomed and it was worse for McGinn as he struggled for form. The harder he tried the worse it got.
“I was feeling guilty. He [Gerrard] had put so much faith in me and it was brilliant to learn from him as a midfield player,” McGinn says. A low point came in the 1-1 away draw with Nottingham Forest in October. He was substituted and there was, McGinn recalls, some “sarcastic cheering” from Villa supporters.
“The fans have been phenomenal with me but that cut deep. My dad didn’t go back to the away games for four or five weeks. I kept my head down and didn’t get too upset but it did hurt and my ego did take a bit of a dent,” he admits. “It’s then about proving those people wrong and thankfully I’ve managed to do that.”
Eleven days later Gerrard was sacked and McGinn was dropped by caretaker Aaron Danks. It looked like he was the fall guy. “That was the most challenging part of my career. It was slightly embarrassing, especially when the manager was sacked and it was the first thing that happened after that,” he says. “I wasn’t naive to think I was playing well. I was probably trying too hard to find the answers. The criticism the manager was getting, the criticism everyone was getting. I was trying my best to put it right.”
McGinn used the time out positively, he got “back to basics” but – emphatically – it was the arrival of Emery that changed everything. Rarely is a player as enthusiastic as McGinn is about the Spaniard. It is almost messianic.
“He has probably transformed me as a player; taken me to a level that I probably didn’t think I was capable of; made me adapt in so many ways I probably didn’t think I was capable of,” McGinn explains. “He is so intense, so passionate about football, so detailed. He just wants to improve every single player.”
McGinn gives two examples. The first is how Emery tasks two of his coaches – Antonio Rodríguez and Jaime Arias – to work individually with each player. So when McGinn was asked to play on the right wing he had already worked on “body shape” and where to position himself with Rodríguez.
Second he talks about Emery drilling into left-back Alex Moreno how good a team Bournemouth are and the threat they pose. In fact, McGinn says, Bournemouth were the side Villa spent most time analysing because Emery was fascinated “by their level”. Villa won 3-0 having been beaten 2-0 by Bournemouth on the opening day of the season.
“Tyrone [Mings] talks about it as well – he’s 30, I am 28 – and we regret not having a different style of coaching earlier,” McGinn explains. “We are used to British ex-pro managers who are all brought up the same way and this style, the Spanish way, is something I really enjoy.”
McGinn has had similar chats with his friend and former Villa team-mate Jack Grealish, who works under Pep Guardiola at Manchester City.
“The best thing for me is that he [Emery] judged with his own eyes,” McGinn says. “There was a lot of noise from outside – ‘he [McGinn] can’t lead, he can’t be the captain’. I am not a huge speaker. I feel I have a lot of respect in the dressing room but I am not going to be a Conor Coady or Jordan Henderson. I try and lead by the way that I play. The perception was pretty easy for me to see: because I wasn’t playing well, therefore I was not leading. Now I am playing well I am all of a sudden an OK captain. I feel that perception is normal but I have grown into the role and am enjoying the responsibility.”
Emery has taught McGinn another thing: that he has more time than he thinks.
“The Spanish have always had a lot more composure – certainly more composure than Scottish people,” McGinn says. “When you are a midfielder you don’t get a lot of time on the ball or you don’t think you do but you actually have more time.
“Putting your foot on the ball in midfield in Scotland is frowned upon but the manager came in and said, ‘Why not? You haven’t got an opponent anywhere near you, take your time, bring someone else in and create space for your team-mate’. That is something I have learnt and realised.
“It’s opened my eyes. Quite often before the Villa fans would have mumbled and grumbled but they are buying into it. There have been bumps along the way – Stevenage at home [FA Cup], Leicester at home [4-2 defeat] – when we have been punished for playing out from the back, but I think the fans are learning as well, the fans are seeing there’s a bigger picture here and that we are progressing as a team with a certain style.”
McGinn is even, for the first time, considering going into coaching when he eventually retires. “My understanding has gone through the roof under him [Emery],” he says. “I never thought I would dip my hand into coaching but he’s made me think a completely different way about the game. When someone is that obsessed with perfection and doing things right you can’t get away from learning. It’s been priceless and I can use that if I decide to go down the coaching route. I always thought you buy the best players and you win but he’s opened my eyes.”
For example, when McGinn was in Emery’s office they talked about the Brighton game. “I said to him, ‘It was a bit like a chess game’. Because their structure is so impressive we were both kind of cancelling each other out. It was like moving parts,” he says.
Unsurprisingly there is a huge amount of analysis and tactical planning. “The meetings can be long but it’s something new every week,” McGinn explains, and the “marginal gain” is in watching clips, “mentally being on it”, staying focused, “not sprinting around the pitch”.
McGinn adds: “Football intelligence goes a long way because now these managers are so intense and detailed. It’s just so interesting. People are finding a way to win because the margins are so fine and the standards are so high.”
He has also shown football intelligence in his adaptability. “The only positions I have not played are centre-back, right-back and goalkeeper. It’s a good thing,” McGinn says, while the exciting challenge for Villa next season is that they will “no longer be under the radar”.
Emery was under no illusion when he arrived that his remit was simply to avoid relegation. But that quickly changed. “We had staged ambition: keep the club in the league, then let’s try to get in the top 10 and then let’s see who we can catch,” McGinn says.
“But he also said, ‘I’ve managed in Europe for the last 14 years and this is the first season I have missed out on it and I don’t want to miss out’, so his personality is so driven to succeed that it has certainly rubbed off on the players. Now watching West Ham [in the Europa Conference League final] there is definitely a tinge of jealousy. Hopefully it can be us next season.”
For now McGinn is heading off to a training camp in Spain with Scotland before their European Championship qualifiers against Norway and Georgia. In a sign of their togetherness and determination to reach another major finals the players have elected to join up early rather than take a holiday.
“Last summer we had a big play-off game for the World Cup [against Ukraine] and we had a break before it but we should have kept training,” McGinn says. “The players and the staff came together and said, ‘Right, how do we improve if we are in this situation again?’ So we are going to Spain for a few days for training. We decided that. We have about 18 players going. It would be easy for us to be on a beach but we want to get Scotland back to another major tournament.”
It is all part of learning and improving even if there is, with McGinn, always a hint of being quite tough on himself.
“It’s just the way I have been brought up,” he says, laughing. “If you interview any player from the west of Scotland we are all the same. We are all quite hard on ourselves. If you get too carried away then you get slapped back down. I am always appreciative of what we are doing for a living.”
Positive results for Scotland would complete a hugely impressive campaign for McGinn. “The resilience I have shown this season is something I am quite proud of and thinking I am now through that means there is more to come,” he says. “I have certainly enjoyed the last three-quarters of this season and have probably played the best football of my career.
“It’s a club on the up but it means absolutely nothing if we don’t deliver on the pitch. The fans are demanding but they crave success, they crave European football. The manager is the same and he has been clear about it: compete in Europe, compete for trophies.”
Post by: Drummond on June 07, 2023, 05:12:52 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2023, 05:16:14 PM
Only a page or so late with that one TV.... :-)
Oh am I? I didn’t see this article anywhere else and it’s got today’s date on it.
Post by: eamonn on June 07, 2023, 05:16:35 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 07, 2023, 05:22:20 PM
Post by: Drummond on June 07, 2023, 11:08:22 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 05:06:44 PM
But it's good he has seen the light:
"The style, the Spanish way, is something I really enjoy.”
Post by: Axl Rose on June 08, 2023, 05:16:06 PM
But it's good he has seen the light:
"The style, the Spanish way, is something I really enjoy.”
:D
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 08, 2023, 05:17:56 PM
Thats what is good to hear.
Wins us games, takes us places.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 10, 2023, 07:49:02 PM
Post by: Bad English on June 10, 2023, 07:50:35 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 10, 2023, 09:54:35 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2023, 09:56:09 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 23, 2023, 09:07:49 AM
Post by: Walmley_Villa on June 23, 2023, 09:09:28 AM
Signed four year contract
Great!
Post by: frank black on June 23, 2023, 09:12:08 AM
Great news !
Post by: Dogtanian on June 23, 2023, 09:14:02 AM
Post by: Clampy on June 23, 2023, 09:14:51 AM
Post by: Smithy on June 23, 2023, 09:16:55 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 23, 2023, 09:20:45 AM
Post by: brontebilly on June 23, 2023, 09:21:11 AM
Post by: dr.chekov on June 23, 2023, 09:25:48 AM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 23, 2023, 09:36:30 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 23, 2023, 09:36:45 AM
Post by: aldridgeboy on June 23, 2023, 09:58:44 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 23, 2023, 10:09:39 AM
Signed four year contract
Great news, on his way to becoming a Villa legend especially if he lifts a trophy in the next year or two.
Post by: eamonn on June 23, 2023, 10:14:57 AM
Fingers crossed there's no release clause that can be met by one of the money-bags clubs once he's led us to a trophy and into the Champions League this season!
None of them would take him, they're too snobby and all they see is a big arse.
We know different, Unai certainly does. Meatball 4eva!
Post by: Drummond on June 23, 2023, 11:06:19 AM
He never quits, never stops, and with the right tactics and coaching he thrives.
Post by: Ads on June 23, 2023, 11:08:52 AM
But like so many under Emery, his performances have just gone through the roof. He's a better player now and probably one the best value players of the last 20 years.
Post by: Steve67 on June 23, 2023, 11:51:29 AM
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2023, 12:42:11 PM
His form from January 2022 until January 2023 was miles off the pace. I considered his ball retention a huge issue and would have ultimately been satisfied with him going.
But like so many under Emery, his performances have just gone through the roof. He's a better player now and probably one the best value players of the last 20 years.
Yep, agreed. Under Gerrard he was regularly posting pass completion stats of around 60%, that's just not good enough in the premier league as a midfielder. A big part of the problem was the he seemed to have been told that his job was to do what Luiz is now doing for us, and it just wasn't suited to his game at all. That was the biggest problem with Gerrard, he seemed to make all of our midfielders worse by not letting them play their natural game.
Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2023, 12:43:46 PM
Post by: dave shelley on June 23, 2023, 01:04:16 PM
Post by: Monty on June 23, 2023, 01:12:12 PM
Post by: usav on June 23, 2023, 01:50:37 PM
Also, is he the best pound for pound signing since Paul McGrath? 2.5m - an absolute steal.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 23, 2023, 02:00:31 PM
Also, is he the best pound for pound signing since Paul McGrath? 2.5m - an absolute steal.
Can't think of many better if you exclude Barry. Mellberg for £5m might be in the conversation, but that was a decent fee back then.
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 23, 2023, 02:01:53 PM
Everything I was going to say. Just love it when SJM is on it, heartbeat of the team.Signed four year contract
Great news, on his way to becoming a Villa legend especially if he lifts a trophy in the next year or two.
Post by: Exeter 77 on June 23, 2023, 02:35:17 PM
https://twitter.com/gazswain/status/1672161363030933504?t=SPpRJIfUpfst7AyDRDo_KA&s=19
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 23, 2023, 03:12:28 PM
Before Emery came in I was starting to come to the melancholy conclusion that he'd gone as far as he could with us. As with so many, however, it turns out this was not actually his fault, that maybe having an actual coach helps bring out the best in players. His performance against Newcastle was the best performance I've ever seen from a player's arse.
Agree with all that as well as poor in all these areas.
Fitness levels
Ball retention
Failed Hollywood passes
Playing RB when Cash went forward - WTF was that all about?
As for the game against the Geordies, Dan Burn must still be having therapy - SJM Tortured him so much in that game he should of been sent off for bullying :)
Post by: Villa Lew on June 23, 2023, 04:23:56 PM
Post by: LukeJames on June 23, 2023, 04:37:27 PM
What a job Emery has done here, as to think that just a few months ago alot of us would have been happy to see him and Dougie leave (I include myself in that).
Post by: Matt C on June 23, 2023, 04:42:19 PM
Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2023, 04:47:13 PM
Before Emery came in I was starting to come to the melancholy conclusion that he'd gone as far as he could with us. As with so many, however, it turns out this was not actually his fault, that maybe having an actual coach helps bring out the best in players. His performance against Newcastle was the best performance I've ever seen from a player's arse.
Agree with all that as well as poor in all these areas.
Fitness levels
Ball retention
Failed Hollywood passes
Playing RB when Cash went forward - WTF was that all about?
As for the game against the Geordies, Dan Burn must still be having therapy - SJM Tortured him so much in that game he should of been sent off for bullying :)
I do think though the supposed lack of fitness and ball rentention you mention are also the product of poor management, lack of defined structure in the team means running when and where you shouldn't be and trying to make things happen because you're getting overrun by teams and players that have proper coaches.
Post by: Rotterdam on June 23, 2023, 04:47:38 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on June 23, 2023, 04:49:34 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 23, 2023, 05:05:17 PM
This had never occurred to me.
https://twitter.com/gazswain/status/1672161363030933504?t=SPpRJIfUpfst7AyDRDo_KA&s=19
Nor me, nice one.
As an aside, every time I see Gary Swain's name on Twitter I momentarily think that he was a full back on our European Cup winning team.
Post by: Taylor on June 23, 2023, 05:31:17 PM
Post by: dekko on June 23, 2023, 05:49:30 PM
Chups.
Post by: darren woolley on June 24, 2023, 04:39:03 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 28, 2023, 10:08:31 AM
Post by: Villa Lew on July 12, 2023, 10:20:46 PM
Post by: VillaTim on July 12, 2023, 10:29:07 PM
SJM was playing in The Scottish Open Pro Am today at North Berwick, looking at his swing, don't think he'll be taking golf up in a future career!Good we need him in our midfield , can't have the LIV tour poaching him
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2023, 07:27:57 AM
I very hopeful of captain McGinn being able to assist and score a lot more.
Post by: Mister E on August 06, 2023, 08:40:47 AM
I believe that if Mings and Pau start we can afford to play without Kamara and Luiz as double pivot in certain matches as Pau would be a kinda inverted full back that assists the midfield and control. So he can step into midfield, giving Tielemans the game start ahead of potentially Kamara and allowing Luiz , or Youri and McGinn to push forward. Of the midfielders, Luiz has been the most proficient as a scorer and goal threat since Emery took over but I believe we are all hoping for McGinn to add goals this season to continue his fantastic growth under Emery.Pau Torres is unlikely to be the inverted fullback, though, is he? More likely it'll be Cash as the midfield-fullback; or Moreno, with Chambers or Konsa at right fullback.
I very hopeful of captain McGinn being able to assist and score a lot more.
However, your point is that with 3 centre backs when we are in possession the double pivot may not always need to be an option.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2023, 08:43:39 AM
This then releases the hounds like McGinn and Doug to advance.
Post by: Risso on August 06, 2023, 08:47:47 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 06, 2023, 09:12:21 AM
I'm considering it over the course of the lengthy season and amount of games he will likely play he'll get more than one!
Anything the same or less which is none! Well from his position and role in the team within reason is unacceptable.
It's expected he'll improve on his 1 goal showing of last season as that was his worse goal scoring season in the prem.
Post by: Le Lapin on August 13, 2023, 11:29:59 AM
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 13, 2023, 11:46:23 AM
Was he even playing yesterday...... don't remember him being involved in much.I remember him being taken off. But that is about it.
Post by: Chris Smith on August 13, 2023, 12:01:06 PM
Was he even playing yesterday...... don't remember him being involved in much.
He was shoved out on the left to cover for the loss of Buendia and it didn’t work.
Post by: simboy on August 13, 2023, 12:06:21 PM
Post by: Risso on August 13, 2023, 12:06:54 PM
Post by: simboy on August 13, 2023, 01:36:21 PM
It didn't work whatsoever, and I think it was apparent even before kick off that Emery had got the line up all wrong. Everything that made us play so well against them at Villa Park was missing, including McGinn getting at Dan Burn at left back. Instead we had the utterly anonymous Bailey, who's completely incapable of giving defenders a hard time.
No JJ or Moreno made a difference as well. We didn’t attack their left side with any real precision. The one time we did we scored.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2023, 11:53:56 PM
Post by: villadelph on August 14, 2023, 12:28:02 AM
https://x.com/avfcthereligion/status/1690849817172357120?s=46
That’s great!
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 14, 2023, 01:00:34 PM
I thought all week how Dan Burn must be having nightmares about lining up against him - instead he got powder puff Bailey
Emery got this so wrong
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2023, 01:36:47 PM
I could not believe how anonymous and ineffectual McGinn was on Saturday.
I thought all week how Dan Burn must be having nightmares about lining up against him - instead he got powder puff Bailey
Emery got this so wrong
Again. SJM's performance was extremely similar to the Lazio (or Valencia?) game where he hardly touched the ball. Playing him out of position once especially pre-season is easy to forgive. Repeating the mistake in the first game of the season however is as you say, 'so wrong' and done to fit Bailey in the side.
Post by: Risso on August 14, 2023, 05:55:12 PM
Post by: Ian. on August 14, 2023, 06:08:39 PM
Not sure it was to was fit Bailey in, more to cover for Buendia's absence. Whatever the reason though, it was a terrible decision. It buggered up both sides completely.
I reckon that’s exactly what Emery was thinking.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 14, 2023, 07:55:24 PM
Not sure it was to was fit Bailey in, more to cover for Buendia's absence. Whatever the reason though, it was a terrible decision. It buggered up both sides completely.Yep, I was surprised with the team selection and not surprised it didn't work.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on August 20, 2023, 08:04:48 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2023, 08:33:03 PM
Post by: OCD on August 20, 2023, 09:57:20 PM
Post by: Steve67 on August 20, 2023, 10:03:29 PM
Post by: Mister E on August 20, 2023, 10:15:22 PM
MotM.true
Post by: colin69 on August 20, 2023, 10:38:32 PM
Post by: darren woolley on August 21, 2023, 09:00:14 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 21, 2023, 09:54:02 AM
Amazing what a difference a game makes.Not sure it was to was fit Bailey in, more to cover for Buendia's absence. Whatever the reason though, it was a terrible decision. It buggered up both sides completely.Yep, I was surprised with the team selection and not surprised it didn't work.
I'll admit I wasn't sure about picking him on the left again either, but he shoved that opinion down our throats. A fantastic performance and he even had the energy to carry the St John's medical bag 40m when it was left on the pitch after the Coutinho injury.
Post by: Goldenballs on August 21, 2023, 09:56:12 AM
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 21, 2023, 09:58:34 AM
Post by: LeeB on August 21, 2023, 10:02:43 AM
In terms of value for money I think McGinn is in the same bracket as David Platt and Paul McGrath.
I agree.
Post by: Axl Rose on August 21, 2023, 10:08:16 AM
Going against popular opinion, I've never been a massive Mcginn (or Mings) fan. I always thought he's ok, but a bit limited, or on occasion, shit.
But he (and Ty) have absolutely forced humble pie down my throat. Since Unai joined, he (and Ty) has been magnificent. It's like watching a different player to the one I had to endure in the Premier League under Smith and that tosser Gerrard.
I sat yesterday and was shocked at how good he was. Long may it continue
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 21, 2023, 10:11:27 AM
Post by: andyh on August 21, 2023, 10:17:03 AM
To think, that Scouse git nearly ruined him last season.
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 21, 2023, 11:35:23 AM
https://twitter.com/VillaViews_/status/1693272611591962689?t=gbPoOjw1Jyi796xSV4pNkQ&s=19
Post by: Smirker on August 27, 2023, 04:00:30 PM
Bit of skill too 8)
Post by: Drummond on August 27, 2023, 05:45:46 PM
https://twitter.com/jmcginn7/status/1695824070217003214?t=MB4vb58knUKMp1HDisTYqg&s=19
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2023, 04:21:39 AM
Post by: The Charmer on August 28, 2023, 01:26:31 PM
Yesterday, in the 2nd-half, he received the ball under pressure and performed some sort-of 450-degree spin in order to retain and then release a lovely little chipped pass down the left wing.
The forin' commentator on the stream I was watching just said:
" John McGinn . . . John McGinn . . . Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha!"
It sounded pure Fast Show and was an absolute joy to behold.
Scorchio!
Post by: Steve67 on August 28, 2023, 01:32:26 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2023, 02:01:03 PM
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2023, 02:06:33 PM
Improved beyond all recognition since Emery came. Absolutely superb again yesterday.
Just about everybody has to be fair, but the improvement in McGinn is probably the most noticeable.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 28, 2023, 02:09:20 PM
Improved beyond all recognition since Emery came. Absolutely superb again yesterday.
Just about everybody has to be fair, but the improvement in McGinn is probably the most noticeable.
We've always liked SJM, but I think it's fair to say he's reaching levels that we thought were above his 'ceiling'.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2023, 02:12:22 PM
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2023, 02:20:25 PM
And he's really embraced the captaincy. Something he was forced into because of Lego Head was not convinced Tyrone could look him in the eye. Wanker. SJM looked very unsure of himself in that role early on. He didn't even do a lot of post match press interviews. But now he represents everything it means to be captain. He's not only taken much better care of his physique and fitness, but now understands what it takes to be a top player and a great leader.
I think that’s because he knew deep down that based on his form he didn’t really deserve it. Now he does. The only other candidate I’d entertain now would be Luiz, but he’s a bit busy being the best central midfielder in the Premier League.
Post by: Ian. on August 28, 2023, 02:40:54 PM
And he's really embraced the captaincy. Something he was forced into because of Lego Head was not convinced Tyrone could look him in the eye. Wanker. SJM looked very unsure of himself in that role early on. He didn't even do a lot of post match press interviews. But now he represents everything it means to be captain. He's not only taken much better care of his physique and fitness, but now understands what it takes to be a top player and a great leader.
I think that’s because he knew deep down that based on his form he didn’t really deserve it. Now he does. The only other candidate I’d entertain now would be Luiz, but he’s a bit busy being the best central midfielder in the Premier League.
I’d imagine he was also pissed off with the way Gerrard treated the last captain before handing it to him.
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 28, 2023, 02:49:03 PM
Of course, you still need talent and the right attitude, and Meatball has those in abundance.
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 28, 2023, 06:52:24 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2023, 07:33:51 PM
John was in Nortons (bar in digbeth) last night !
Don’t tell footy!
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 28, 2023, 08:09:38 PM
John was in Nortons (bar in digbeth) last night !Fancy a trip there myself,I have to contact him to see how much the lager is
Post by: Aldridge Villa on September 16, 2023, 08:21:31 PM
Post by: AV84 on September 16, 2023, 08:26:40 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on September 21, 2023, 08:24:26 PM
Post by: usav on September 21, 2023, 09:08:35 PM
Something not right the last couple of games. Looks a pale shadow of the SJM of the second half of last season.
Position. Drop Kamara, put McGinn back with Luiz and Ramsey in McGinn's spot.
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 21, 2023, 09:09:01 PM
agreedSomething not right the last couple of games. Looks a pale shadow of the SJM of the second half of last season.
Position. Drop Kamara, put McGinn back with Luiz and Ramsey in McGinn's spot.
Post by: Steve67 on September 21, 2023, 09:16:06 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 21, 2023, 10:49:15 PM
agreedSomething not right the last couple of games. Looks a pale shadow of the SJM of the second half of last season.
Position. Drop Kamara, put McGinn back with Luiz and Ramsey in McGinn's spot.
McGinn and Luiz as a 2 doesn't work, we already know this (ask Gerrard). He needs to be on the right where he was successful last season or not played at all.
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2023, 10:52:06 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 21, 2023, 10:55:06 PM
I think I'd perhaps be bringing on Dendoncker next to Luiz v Chelsea, at least he can put a foot in when needed. Tielemans and McGinn can't play in a midfield two, so with Kamara playing like a mix of Kinsella and Djemba Djemba, it should probably be the Donk. If Ramsey can start, McGinn can go back to his preferred spot on the right.
Yeah, this is where I'm at now. Kamara needs to earn his spot.
Post by: VillaTim on September 21, 2023, 11:03:33 PM
Post by: AV84 on September 22, 2023, 12:00:55 AM
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 22, 2023, 12:15:35 AM
Post by: AV84 on September 22, 2023, 12:17:33 AM
You're probably not going to bring on a DM when you need goals, though.
We brought on an actual defender against Newcastle when we needed goals. But yeah, maybe he wasn't the sub of choice today, but maybe he should start over Tielemans against Everton.
Post by: AV82EC on September 22, 2023, 04:01:47 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 22, 2023, 05:05:57 AM
He was anonymous last night, a few small flashes but Warsaw had done their homework on him and he was ineffectual.
Anonymous is being kind.
Big performance needed at Chelsea
Post by: AV82EC on September 22, 2023, 05:07:46 AM
.He was anonymous last night, a few small flashes but Warsaw had done their homework on him and he was ineffectual.
Anonymous is being kind.
Big performance needed at Chelsea
That’s 2 games in a row, he does need to turn up at the Bridge…….if selected.
Post by: London Villan on September 22, 2023, 08:35:45 AM
Post by: Monty on September 22, 2023, 08:36:34 AM
He's played best under Emery in the wider right midfield role. I'm not sure he's been played in that position all season.
He's played there almost every game? He's just been off it a lot.
Post by: London Villan on September 22, 2023, 08:38:52 AM
Post by: Monty on September 22, 2023, 08:43:45 AM
I think he's playing broadly speaking where he always has, with adjusted instructions like everyone else. He's just not doing it very well this season. Love him, genuinely one of my favourite players, but the point of competition should mean that nobody's spot is safe.
Post by: Chris Smith on September 22, 2023, 08:47:12 AM
He's played best under Emery in the wider right midfield role. I'm not sure he's been played in that position all season.
Losing Ramsey and Buendia has unbalanced the midfield and McGinn has been the one shunted about to compensate. Hopefully we’ll see him playing in a position he’s better suited to with Jacob available again.
Post by: London Villan on September 22, 2023, 09:07:02 AM
He's played best under Emery in the wider right midfield role. I'm not sure he's been played in that position all season.
Losing Ramsey and Buendia has unbalanced the midfield and McGinn has been the one shunted about to compensate. Hopefully we’ll see him playing in a position he’s better suited to with Jacob available again.
Ramsey definitely, as no-one else what he does - closing players down from the front, late runs into the box and driving forward from midfield with the ball.
Trying to accommodate three attacking players (Diaby, Bailey and Watkins) has increased the workload on the remaining midfielders - Bailey and Diaby do very little defensively and the result is the number of goals we are now conceding, added to losing Mings and McGinn not playing in his best position.
Post by: Monty on September 22, 2023, 09:11:48 AM
Post by: London Villan on September 22, 2023, 09:31:36 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/n0m9JMr/AV-1.png) (https://ibb.co/n0m9JMr)
Post by: Monty on September 22, 2023, 09:39:28 AM
Post by: AV84 on September 24, 2023, 07:17:38 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2023, 07:20:56 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 24, 2023, 07:29:51 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2023, 08:23:47 PM
https://x.com/jmcginn7/status/1705985883470487892?s=46
Post by: Monty on September 24, 2023, 09:59:04 PM
Candid from SJM
https://x.com/jmcginn7/status/1705985883470487892?s=46
I do love him. He'll know he's not exactly in peak form too, and that's fine, it happens, we should have the options to cope while he works his way back. He'll be back to his best.
Post by: Monty on October 01, 2023, 08:53:09 AM
Post by: Steve67 on October 01, 2023, 10:33:29 AM
I thought he was man of the match yesterday.
SJM was excellent and also played a couple of lovely passes to Ollie for Douglas's goal and another for Matt Cash for the first goal, shame they don't go down as his assists as it was his passes that opened up Brighton. Great reverse pass to Ollie for the hat-trick goal too.
Post by: Risso on October 01, 2023, 10:49:43 AM
I thought he was man of the match yesterday.
He was great, back to his best. He's so much better on the right hand side, almost like a completely different player.
Very hard to pick a MOTM yesterday, as everybody was excellent. Hard to see past Ollie though.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 01, 2023, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: Rigadon on October 01, 2023, 04:03:57 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 01, 2023, 04:17:43 PM
https://x.com/avfcthereligion/status/1708264764932055203?s=46
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 01, 2023, 05:01:31 PM
Post by: London Villan on October 01, 2023, 06:44:22 PM
Post by: Monty on October 01, 2023, 11:19:58 PM
He is very good (amongst other things) at passes that completely switch direction of play. The ball for Ollie’s third being a good example.
It's why he's better on the right - he can find more natural angles for those passes from there.
The trouble for us is that Zaniolo also only really looks comfortable on the right too, cutting in onto his left foot, so how to play both of them? Nice problem to have I suppose!
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 02, 2023, 08:23:54 AM
He is very good (amongst other things) at passes that completely switch direction of play. The ball for Ollie’s third being a good example.
It's why he's better on the right - he can find more natural angles for those passes from there.
The trouble for us is that Zaniolo also only really looks comfortable on the right too, cutting in onto his left foot, so how to play both of them? Nice problem to have I suppose!
I think the answer to that conundrum is Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on October 02, 2023, 09:01:46 AM
He is very good (amongst other things) at passes that completely switch direction of play. The ball for Ollie’s third being a good example.
It's why he's better on the right - he can find more natural angles for those passes from there.
The trouble for us is that Zaniolo also only really looks comfortable on the right too, cutting in onto his left foot, so how to play both of them? Nice problem to have I suppose!
I think the answer to that conundrum is Jacob Ramsey
Absolutely. Our best 11 at the moment is:
Cash, Konsa, Torres, Digne
McGinn, Kamara, Luiz, Ramsey
Diaby Watkins
Zaniolo can cover for either McGinn or Ramsey, or Diaby at a push.
Post by: LeeB on October 02, 2023, 09:21:27 AM
He is very good (amongst other things) at passes that completely switch direction of play. The ball for Ollie’s third being a good example.
It's why he's better on the right - he can find more natural angles for those passes from there.
The trouble for us is that Zaniolo also only really looks comfortable on the right too, cutting in onto his left foot, so how to play both of them? Nice problem to have I suppose!
I think the answer to that conundrum is Jacob Ramsey
Absolutely. Our best 11 at the moment is:
Cash, Konsa, Torres, Digne
McGinn, Kamara, Luiz, Ramsey
Diaby Watkins
Zaniolo can cover for either McGinn or Ramsey, or Diaby at a push.
That team can beat anyone. If we could field it every week we'd be in the Champions League.
Post by: Risso on October 02, 2023, 09:25:45 AM
Post by: LeeB on October 02, 2023, 09:35:28 AM
Post by: Monty on October 02, 2023, 09:40:14 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on October 02, 2023, 09:54:44 AM
Post by: paul_e on October 02, 2023, 09:55:28 AM
Post by: LeeB on October 02, 2023, 09:57:07 AM
I noticed in his interview after the game SJM mentioned that the Villa crowd always let you know if you're not playing well. I've heard him mention this before. It's obviously rattled him in the past and it's not great to hear tbh.
Risso's voice does carry unfortunately.
Post by: Clampy on October 02, 2023, 10:02:51 AM
I noticed in his interview after the game SJM mentioned that the Villa crowd always let you know if you're not playing well. I've heard him mention this before. It's obviously rattled him in the past and it's not great to hear tbh.
That's a common thing that players say about their own fans, I've heard it loads of times.
Post by: OCD on October 02, 2023, 11:24:26 AM
Post by: paul_e on October 02, 2023, 11:28:26 AM
I think Zaniolo's position may be as a 10. Once he's found his feet and looks the part, it would be interesting to see him there and Diaby's pace used on the flank.
In my head Zaniolo is a bit of a unicorn in that I think he'd be a good alternative to Ramsey, McGinn, Diaby or Watkins depending on the game situation.
Post by: Monty on October 02, 2023, 06:04:59 PM
Post by: brontebilly on October 02, 2023, 06:11:17 PM
I noticed in his interview after the game SJM mentioned that the Villa crowd always let you know if you're not playing well. I've heard him mention this before. It's obviously rattled him in the past and it's not great to hear tbh.
That's a common thing that players say about their own fans, I've heard it loads of times.
Andy Townsend mentions it a lot about Villa Park in commentary. Likes of Hourihane in the past have done aswell. Either a player can cope with that kind of atmosphere and thrive or they can't and are at the wrong club. Bailey comes to mind in the latter camp, couple of mistakes/kicks and he goes into his shell.
Post by: Drummond on October 03, 2023, 12:06:23 AM
He is very good (amongst other things) at passes that completely switch direction of play. The ball for Ollie’s third being a good example.
It's why he's better on the right - he can find more natural angles for those passes from there.
The trouble for us is that Zaniolo also only really looks comfortable on the right too, cutting in onto his left foot, so how to play both of them? Nice problem to have I suppose!
I think the answer to that conundrum is Jacob Ramsey
Absolutely. Our best 11 at the moment is:
Cash, Konsa, Torres, Digne
McGinn, Kamara, Luiz, Ramsey
Diaby Watkins
Zaniolo can cover for either McGinn or Ramsey, or Diaby at a push.
That team can beat anyone. If we could field it every week we'd be in the Champions League.
With Moreno close to being fit it will be stronger still.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 03, 2023, 01:02:40 AM
He is very good (amongst other things) at passes that completely switch direction of play. The ball for Ollie’s third being a good example.
It's why he's better on the right - he can find more natural angles for those passes from there.
The trouble for us is that Zaniolo also only really looks comfortable on the right too, cutting in onto his left foot, so how to play both of them? Nice problem to have I suppose!
I think the answer to that conundrum is Jacob Ramsey
Absolutely. Our best 11 at the moment is:
Cash, Konsa, Torres, Digne
McGinn, Kamara, Luiz, Ramsey
Diaby Watkins
Zaniolo can cover for either McGinn or Ramsey, or Diaby at a push.
That team can beat anyone. If we could field it every week we'd be in the Champions League.
With Moreno close to being fit it will be stronger still.
A bit left-field I know, but I’d put a keeper in as well.
Post by: Smirker on October 05, 2023, 10:17:25 PM
Post by: Beard82 on October 05, 2023, 10:30:50 PM
Typical negativityHe is very good (amongst other things) at passes that completely switch direction of play. The ball for Ollie’s third being a good example.
It's why he's better on the right - he can find more natural angles for those passes from there.
The trouble for us is that Zaniolo also only really looks comfortable on the right too, cutting in onto his left foot, so how to play both of them? Nice problem to have I suppose!
I think the answer to that conundrum is Jacob Ramsey
Absolutely. Our best 11 at the moment is:
Cash, Konsa, Torres, Digne
McGinn, Kamara, Luiz, Ramsey
Diaby Watkins
Zaniolo can cover for either McGinn or Ramsey, or Diaby at a push.
That team can beat anyone. If we could field it every week we'd be in the Champions League.
With Moreno close to being fit it will be stronger still.
A bit left-field I know, but I’d put a keeper in as well.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 06, 2023, 08:59:56 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on October 10, 2023, 12:53:31 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 19, 2023, 09:29:59 PM
John mcginn story
Post by: LeeB on October 19, 2023, 10:01:20 PM
Premier league stories sky sports. 9.30
John mcginn story
Nice one, that was a lovely half hour
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 20, 2023, 09:49:14 AM
"When teams come and sit deep, defend with five and six, that's where we need to improve.
We need to be more patient, make more runs. It's something we're aware of and we're working hard on but like the manager says all the time we are progressing as a team, we're getting there.
We're not quite there yet [Champions League qualification] but we're giving ourselves a chance to be right in the mix for some special things."
"It's up to us players. You either get on board with it, get on the train and improve to a level where he [Emery] wants to get to, otherwise you'll be shifted out and we've seen that already. Hopefully I can keep improving and keep being part of that group."
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 20, 2023, 11:26:48 AM
Post by: OCD on October 20, 2023, 11:28:01 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on October 20, 2023, 12:00:36 PM
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It's up to us players. You either get on board with it, get on the train and improve to a level where he [Emery] wants to get to, otherwise you'll be shifted out and we've seen that already.
Ings? Coutinho? I would be surprised if he was talking about the kids that were let go as with the buybacks, it just seemed to be a FFP issue.
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2023, 12:44:19 PM
QuoteIt's up to us players. You either get on board with it, get on the train and improve to a level where he [Emery] wants to get to, otherwise you'll be shifted out and we've seen that already.
Ings? Coutinho? I would be surprised if he was talking about the kids that were let go as with the buybacks, it just seemed to be a FFP issue.
Ings, certainly. Coutinho was more of a fitness issue I'd argue, as he certainly had the ability.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 20, 2023, 12:47:28 PM
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2023, 12:57:06 PM
Post by: brontebilly on October 20, 2023, 01:56:07 PM
I don't think McGinn's been as good as he was at the back end of last season, and he needs to get back to those levels.
Hasn't been playing in his best position for most of it. Brilliant against Brighton but shifted again for Wolves. Get Ramsey back fit and McGinn will thrive.
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2023, 02:33:41 PM
I don't think McGinn's been as good as he was at the back end of last season, and he needs to get back to those levels.
Hasn't been playing in his best position for most of it. Brilliant against Brighton but shifted again for Wolves. Get Ramsey back fit and McGinn will thrive.
He isn't going to be fit for several weeks again though.
Post by: Ian. on October 20, 2023, 02:46:46 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 22, 2023, 03:44:21 PM
Brilliant.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 22, 2023, 03:58:08 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 24, 2023, 05:03:42 PM
Upon observations McGinn and Douglas Luiz seem to share responsibility on through balls(and to a lesser extent Kamara) but its Tielemans (and Buendia ) who are the someones who can help add that creativity and unlock defences
Tielemans has ability and vision to play passes into the penalty area and balls through to players at a better standard than McGinn but doesn't offer the same dynamics as our Captain.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 29, 2023, 10:10:02 AM
“I was thinking this morning when the manager did the tactics meeting that it's either going to be 6-1 to us or 6-1 to them,”
Post by: Smirker on October 29, 2023, 07:10:21 PM
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Post by: Risso on October 29, 2023, 09:05:20 PM
Post by: AV82EC on October 29, 2023, 09:19:32 PM
He was our best player today. I don't think anybody needed to raise themselves above a 7/10 performance, we won't have a more straightforward game all season.
Sheffield United at home says hold my beer.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 31, 2023, 02:55:56 PM
Great leading by SJM v Luton however and I think he's really excelling in his role
Post by: Louzie0 on November 01, 2023, 01:04:26 AM
I was really impressed by SJM, his leadership ( talking all the time to team mates, directing attacks) and his technical ability when surrounded; it seemed that he turned and set off in an unexpected direction, or he was able to pass and then get the ball back to threaten again. Luton didn’t seem to have a clue how to deal with him. He was fantastic!
What a wonderful example of player development he is with his work ethic and the right manager/coaching set up.
And, what a great team we have, playing such exciting football as a result of that set up. Long may it last!
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 01, 2023, 02:11:10 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 08, 2023, 08:11:55 PM
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Aston Villa captain John McGinn said his side want to "write our names in the history books" by ending the club's long wait for a trophy this season.
McGinn's team face AZ Alkmaar on Thursday in the Europa Conference League when a win leave them well placd to reach the knockout stage.
Villa's last trophy was the 1996 League Cup, 27 years ago.
"Hopefully at the end of the season we can be proud of something we've done," said McGinn.
"We have three opportunities [Premier League, FA Cup and Europa Conference League] to break that spell of Aston Villa teams not having any silverware.
"We are embracing the Conference League. We know we are one of the biggest teams in the competition but that doesn't mean we can just turn up."
After two wins and one defeat, Unai Emery's Villa are second in Group E and need two more victories from their final three group matches to guarantee reaching the knockout stages.
The West Midlands club missed out on a chance to go third in the Premier League last weekend, losing to Nottingham Forest to end a six-match unbeaten run.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 08, 2023, 08:25:47 PM
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"We are embracing the Conference League. We know we are one of the biggest teams in the competition but that doesn't mean we can just turn up."
.... like we did at Legia Warsaw.
Post by: Steve67 on November 08, 2023, 08:33:54 PM
Quote"We are embracing the Conference League. We know we are one of the biggest teams in the competition but that doesn't mean we can just turn up."
.... like we did at Legia Warsaw.
And at Forest.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 08, 2023, 08:43:29 PM
There is no way that we just turned up" to either game.Quote"We are embracing the Conference League. We know we are one of the biggest teams in the competition but that doesn't mean we can just turn up."
.... like we did at Legia Warsaw.
And at Forest.
We didn't get the results but Emery wouldn't be treating either side lightly.
Post by: Clampy on November 12, 2023, 05:31:01 PM
Post by: Villafirst on November 12, 2023, 05:35:59 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on November 12, 2023, 05:36:31 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 12, 2023, 06:25:19 PM
In the heart of the pitch, where dreams begin,
John McGinn, a maestro, a football kin.
With skillful strides and vision keen,
He dances on the grass, a midfield scene.
Through the tackles and crowded space,
McGinn weaves with both power and grace.
A player of passion, relentless might,
In every match, he’s a glorious sight.
From Villa Park’s roar to Hampden’s call,
His dedication stands tall.
A warrior in claret and blue,
John McGinn, the pitch’s truest hue.
Goals celebrated, victories sung,
His legacy, forever young.
In the beautiful game, a shining star,
John McGinn, both near and far.
Post by: olaftab on November 12, 2023, 06:29:45 PM
Post by: supertom on November 12, 2023, 06:30:36 PM
McGinn's arse 10/10
Post by: enigma on November 12, 2023, 06:39:52 PM
I asked chatGPT to write me a poem about McGinnDescribing him as the pitches truest hue is a bit odd but otherwise not bad!
In the heart of the pitch, where dreams begin,
John McGinn, a maestro, a football kin.
With skillful strides and vision keen,
He dances on the grass, a midfield scene.
Through the tackles and crowded space,
McGinn weaves with both power and grace.
A player of passion, relentless might,
In every match, he’s a glorious sight.
From Villa Park’s roar to Hampden’s call,
His dedication stands tall.
A warrior in claret and blue,
John McGinn, the pitch’s truest hue.
Goals celebrated, victories sung,
His legacy, forever young.
In the beautiful game, a shining star,
John McGinn, both near and far.
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 12, 2023, 06:45:59 PM
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Post by: ChicagoLion on November 12, 2023, 06:59:32 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 12, 2023, 07:01:47 PM
And it is worth noting he has been with us on the journey from the championship to here - on his way to legend status for me. Let's hope he lifts some silverware with us to cement his position.
How amazing would that be. The sort of bloke you’d want your daughter to marry.
Post by: Ian. on November 12, 2023, 07:13:43 PM
And it is worth noting he has been with us on the journey from the championship to here - on his way to legend status for me. Let's hope he lifts some silverware with us to cement his position.
Absolutely this.
To think just over a year ago when he was miles off the pace it was hard due to his popularity and reasons as written above to see fans (myself included) writing him off and thinking we need an upgrade. How wrong we were.
He’s incredible good and such a vital cog in that midfield. Him and Doug are fantastic, what a midfield we have now.
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2023, 07:15:27 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on November 12, 2023, 07:26:07 PM
I can't remember which game it was, but he got booed to the rafters when he came off in one game. That whole period seems a long time ago now.
Just over a year ago I suspect. If at Villa Park, I suspect Chelsea match.
Post by: Bobby Boy on November 12, 2023, 08:15:07 PM
He really has taken to his position as captain too. He leads by example.
Post by: Gareth on November 12, 2023, 08:25:50 PM
Post by: Matt C on November 12, 2023, 08:30:25 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 12, 2023, 08:50:28 PM
3 goals in 6 league games this season.
Stepped up another level.
Post by: Somniloquism on November 12, 2023, 08:55:19 PM
(I know, you meant to put home).
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 12, 2023, 08:57:35 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 12, 2023, 09:00:52 PM
Post by: brontebilly on November 12, 2023, 09:07:19 PM
I can't remember which game it was, but he got booed to the rafters when he came off in one game. That whole period seems a long time ago now.
Crazy times for sure...think someone on here around that time called him a fat knacker
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 12, 2023, 09:12:44 PM
Everything you'd want in a midfielder encapsulated into 90+ minutes.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 12, 2023, 09:16:46 PM
Awesome, the heartbeat of this team.
He certainly was today but we often say the same thing about Dougie. I do wonder if SJM knowing both Dougie and Kamara were both on four yellows with Spurs away next up, he decided to take on the extra responsibility. He played like a man possessed, probably by Zidane at his best.
Post by: brontebilly on November 12, 2023, 09:19:55 PM
He was magnificent today.
Everything you'd want in a midfielder encapsulated into 90+ minutes.
Absolute perfection. Best individual performance in a Villa shirt since peak Grealish maybe.
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 12, 2023, 09:30:26 PM
For the type of player he is, I honestly don't believe there's a level above his performance today, he was that good. And just when you think you can't love him any more he tells the story of his goal celebration and the meaning behind it.
Its a great story and sums up the man. The whole McGinn at Villa story from championship to now, is fantastic. He is fast becoming one of my all time favourite villa players. McGinn lifting a trophy as pur skipper would/will be an emotional moment.
Post by: rooboy316 on November 13, 2023, 09:39:07 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 13, 2023, 09:42:35 AM
It's remarkable what world class training can do to players.
Post by: Risso on November 13, 2023, 09:52:09 AM
I can't remember which game it was, but he got booed to the rafters when he came off in one game. That whole period seems a long time ago now.
Crazy times for sure...think someone on here around that time called him a fat knacker
He was a fat knacker, even his team mates were joking about it on social media.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 13, 2023, 09:58:22 AM
An incredible turnaround after that pretty long period where he was mediocre at best.
It's remarkable what world class training can do to players.
It’s hard to imagine a time when JM wasn’t a great player for us but it did happen. He’s now playing the best he has ever played for us. Yesterday he was immense.
Post by: AV84 on November 13, 2023, 09:58:50 AM
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John McGinn (Aston Villa): Of all the Aston Villa players who have been part of their success since the arrival of Unai Emery; McGinn has probably been their most consistent.
He seldom misses a game, gives 100% every match and doesn't seem remotely interested in being in the spotlight.
I make no apology for selecting him in my team as he was the star of the show against a totally outclassed Fulham. The Scotland international scored Villa's second goal with a cracking left-footed drive and played an integral part in their third that sealed the game. McGinn - a man for all seasons.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 13, 2023, 10:44:14 AM
For the type of player he is, I honestly don't believe there's a level above his performance today, he was that good. And just when you think you can't love him any more he tells the story of his goal celebration and the meaning behind it.I've missed that - what's the reason?
Its a great story and sums up the man. The whole McGinn at Villa story from championship to now, is fantastic. He is fast becoming one of my all time favourite villa players. McGinn lifting a trophy as pur skipper would/will be an emotional moment.
Post by: Nev on November 13, 2023, 10:46:54 AM
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Post by: Hookeysmith on November 13, 2023, 01:43:58 PM
Hope he enjoyed his flight to Tenerife this morning
Wonder where he is - im off to there on Wednesday :)
Post by: chrisw1 on November 13, 2023, 02:55:36 PM
His nephew needs glasses and has to wear goggles when he plays.I've missed that - what's the reason?For the type of player he is, I honestly don't believe there's a level above his performance today, he was that good. And just when you think you can't love him any more he tells the story of his goal celebration and the meaning behind it.I've missed that - what's the reason?
Its a great story and sums up the man. The whole McGinn at Villa story from championship to now, is fantastic. He is fast becoming one of my all time favourite villa players. McGinn lifting a trophy as pur skipper would/will be an emotional moment.
Post by: TaxDodger on November 13, 2023, 03:07:10 PM
Hope he enjoyed his flight to Tenerife this morning
I don't understand how we didn't sack him after the much discussed flight to Dublin. Surely his days are numbered here now?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 13, 2023, 03:10:40 PM
Hope he enjoyed his flight to Tenerife this morning
Matty Cash flew to Dubai last night.
Wait till Footy hears about these two.
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 13, 2023, 03:48:45 PM
His nephew needs glasses and has to wear goggles when he plays.I've missed that - what's the reason?For the type of player he is, I honestly don't believe there's a level above his performance today, he was that good. And just when you think you can't love him any more he tells the story of his goal celebration and the meaning behind it.I've missed that - what's the reason?
Its a great story and sums up the man. The whole McGinn at Villa story from championship to now, is fantastic. He is fast becoming one of my all time favourite villa players. McGinn lifting a trophy as pur skipper would/will be an emotional moment.
Yes that it, he says like a lot of kids, his nephew feels self conscious wearing goggles when playing football, so just SJM’s way of supporting. Top man!
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 13, 2023, 03:51:54 PM
Hope he enjoyed his flight to Tenerife this morning
Wonder where he is - im off to there on Wednesday :)
Welcome back.
Post by: LeeB on November 13, 2023, 03:54:03 PM
An incredible turnaround after that pretty long period where he was mediocre at best.
It's remarkable what world class training can do to players.
It's also amazing how much damage a carpetheaded, overindulged egomaniac can cause.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 13, 2023, 04:08:45 PM
An incredible turnaround after that pretty long period where he was mediocre at best.
It's remarkable what world class training can do to players.
It's also amazing how much damage a carpetheaded, overindulged egomaniac can cause.
Yeahhh 'course.
Post by: Bad English on November 13, 2023, 04:23:55 PM
San Juan!Hope he enjoyed his flight to Tenerife this morning
Wonder where he is - im off to there on Wednesday :)
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 13, 2023, 06:22:48 PM
Hope he enjoyed his flight to Tenerife this morning
Wonder where he is - im off to there on Wednesday :)
Welcome back.
How have you done that?
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 13, 2023, 06:31:56 PM
Hope he enjoyed his flight to Tenerife this morning
Wonder where he is - im off to there on Wednesday :)
Welcome back.
How have you done that?
It's a conspiracy.
Post by: Ian. on November 13, 2023, 06:43:12 PM
Hope he enjoyed his flight to Tenerife this morning
Wonder where he is - im off to there on Wednesday :)
Welcome back.
How have you done that?
It's a conspiracy.
I was worried for a minute.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 13, 2023, 07:01:36 PM
CheersHis nephew needs glasses and has to wear goggles when he plays.I've missed that - what's the reason?For the type of player he is, I honestly don't believe there's a level above his performance today, he was that good. And just when you think you can't love him any more he tells the story of his goal celebration and the meaning behind it.I've missed that - what's the reason?
Its a great story and sums up the man. The whole McGinn at Villa story from championship to now, is fantastic. He is fast becoming one of my all time favourite villa players. McGinn lifting a trophy as pur skipper would/will be an emotional moment.
Post by: purpletrousers on November 13, 2023, 10:19:09 PM
The weight of Slippy's management skills clearly affected plenty of players - who are now playing better than ever., Watkins, Luiz and SJM have all emerged from Gerrard's grey cloud and are in the form of their careers.
Isn’t it amazing. I mean it’s all been said before, and whilst I knew very well he was used out of position badly, he was a different beast for Scotland, he was so so off it, it was so so sad that the wheels had fallen off a ‘fan favourite’ so badly, I’d grown frustrated and once or twice at least internally thought, the not-so-S-JM.
That he has stepped up to be Captain, that he is in such great form and confidence, he can adapt, and he is our longest serving player that has seen us through so much, that he was the biggest bargain going even without reaching these supreme levels…
There would be an element of good things *do* happen to good people if we lift silverware under him.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 13, 2023, 10:24:04 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 14, 2023, 01:30:35 PM
Hope he enjoyed his flight to Tenerife this morning
Wonder where he is - im off to there on Wednesday :)
Welcome back.
How have you done that?
It's a conspiracy.
I was worried for a minute.
You're not the only one.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 15, 2023, 03:38:42 AM
https://x.com/buendiazboyz/status/1724584165734019271?s=61
Post by: Dick Edwards on November 15, 2023, 07:58:58 AM
Post by: Witton Warrior on November 15, 2023, 08:15:55 AM
He really was superb vs Fulham. Highlights package
https://x.com/buendiazboyz/status/1724584165734019271?s=61
Marvellous skill and determination
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 15, 2023, 10:14:43 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 16, 2023, 12:52:51 AM
SuperMcGinn playing away Georgia today , thursday November 16, and Sunday Norway home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 16, 2023, 10:16:59 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 17, 2023, 02:10:02 PM
(https://scontent.fbhx4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/398612047_7220923971263605_174072605165209080_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=xG_erdqERncAX94KMZF&_nc_ht=scontent.fbhx4-2.fna&oh=00_AfBrTkzvRq_Aa-w-b9nOeD85XYMXAhBpbbEao-pBJVng4A&oe=655CCD3F)
Post by: usav on November 17, 2023, 04:22:02 PM
Post by: Risso on November 17, 2023, 04:27:42 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 17, 2023, 04:37:28 PM
Interesting SJM stat with added Hitz.
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Who's the bloke that brought der Hammer into it?
Post by: AV82EC on November 17, 2023, 04:38:08 PM
Interesting SJM stat with added Hitz.
(https://scontent.fbhx4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/398612047_7220923971263605_174072605165209080_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=xG_erdqERncAX94KMZF&_nc_ht=scontent.fbhx4-2.fna&oh=00_AfBrTkzvRq_Aa-w-b9nOeD85XYMXAhBpbbEao-pBJVng4A&oe=655CCD3F)
Who's the bloke that brought der Hammer into it?
Dan Bardell, never heard of him.
Post by: Somniloquism on November 17, 2023, 09:33:32 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on November 17, 2023, 11:53:42 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on November 18, 2023, 12:00:48 AM
Post by: Villafirst on November 19, 2023, 09:55:05 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 20, 2023, 11:55:55 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on November 21, 2023, 12:26:50 AM
Apparently SJM went off with a knock to his hip. Why didn't Clarke just play him for 45 minutes? He played the whole match previously. I hate these international breaks. We have a tough run of games coming and don't need these injuries. Hope John is okay....
I would guess that McGinn wants to play every minute of every international match he can, just as probably every professional footballer does. It’s frustrating to pick up injuries but that’s sport, huh?
Post by: Aldridge Villa on November 23, 2023, 03:29:50 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 23, 2023, 04:35:02 PM
I would guess that McGinn wants to play every minute of every international match he can, just as probably every professional footballer does. It’s frustrating to pick up injuries but that’s sport, huh?
I would say some professional footballers see it as a duty, whilst others see it as an honour to be relsihed. I'd suggest McGinn's in the latter camp.
Post by: VillaTim on November 23, 2023, 04:42:32 PM
SSN reporting this morning that’s he’s training on his own today due to niggle picked up on international duty. Fingers crossed ok for weekend.that don't sound good
Post by: pablo_picasso on November 23, 2023, 04:43:20 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 23, 2023, 09:16:01 PM
"Thoughts & prayers..."
Lighting candles
Post by: CT Villan on November 24, 2023, 02:24:01 AM
Dublin has a lot to answer for.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 24, 2023, 02:25:15 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 24, 2023, 02:36:13 PM
Maybe a bit of kidology from SUE?
Post by: Villafirst on November 24, 2023, 05:11:01 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on November 24, 2023, 05:40:26 PM
I'm guessing Konsa, Martinez or Luiz, although I don't GK captains these days due to them having to speak to the ref, it would mean him having to sprint the length of the pitch.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 24, 2023, 06:08:21 PM
SSN reporting this morning that’s he’s training on his own today due to niggle picked up on international duty. Fingers crossed ok for weekend.that don't sound good
My theory is that training alone yesterday merely meant he was recovering and Emery didn't want him picking up any knocks in combative training.
Precautionary measures.
And now hearing he's back in the mix for things.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 24, 2023, 06:12:08 PM
As an aside, when he doesn't play in a match and with Mings and Young missing this season, who will be Captain?Martinez is the vice captain, as far as the understanding goes.
I'm guessing Konsa, Martinez or Luiz, although I don't GK captains these days due to them having to speak to the ref, it would mean him having to sprint the length of the pitch.
If we are leading, Martinez isn't sprinting to speak to the ref that's for sure!
Reminds me of all the Robbie Williams chatter and song I did on Martinez actually saying this.
Post by: Clampy on November 26, 2023, 06:17:09 PM
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Post by: paul_e on November 26, 2023, 06:52:07 PM
Another bump up. Really good again today. Loved the shithousing timewasting putting on the captains arm band on Emi.
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Unlucky to get a yellow card from the ref for asking why him being kicked in the heel by Hjoberg wasn't a foul but it was when Cash did it 20 seconds later.
Post by: OCD on November 27, 2023, 11:09:09 AM
Another bump up. Really good again today. Loved the shithousing timewasting putting on the captains arm band on Emi.
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Emi's the vice captain!
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 27, 2023, 11:27:34 AM
Another bump up. Really good again today. Loved the shithousing timewasting putting on the captains arm band on Emi.
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Emi's the vice captain!
and they can be really hard to get on
Post by: Risso on November 27, 2023, 02:06:13 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 27, 2023, 02:21:14 PM
Thought he was our best player yesterday, leading by example again.
A gnats bollock between him, Doug and Pau for me and Martinez was excellent as well.
Post by: Smithy on November 27, 2023, 02:51:39 PM
Thought he was our best player yesterday, leading by example again.
A gnats bollock between him, Doug and Pau for me and Martinez was excellent as well.
Martinez demonstrated yesterday what a world-class goalkeeper can do. Almost any other goalie in the league and we lose that game yesterday. Two absolutely brilliant and one world-class save, each of which would likely have been a goal with another keeper. I think the three points were thanks to him.
Post by: spartacuss on November 28, 2023, 11:54:39 AM
"John McGinn, meanwhile, is perhaps the world's leading arse-dribbler. John McGinn's arse bobs. John McGinn's arse wiggles. John McGinn's arse swivels. And then in a flash John McGinn's arse is gone, never to be seen again."
(Jonathan Liew - 'On dribbling' Grauniad.)
Post by: olaftab on November 29, 2023, 12:41:38 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 02, 2023, 05:43:43 PM
Post by: Villafirst on December 03, 2023, 04:16:20 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 03, 2023, 05:21:59 PM
How many bookings is that for SJM? Hopefully not 5?
Only his 3rd.
Post by: Villafirst on December 03, 2023, 06:19:51 PM
How many bookings is that for SJM? Hopefully not 5?
Only his 3rd.
That's good!
Post by: 85kota on December 03, 2023, 07:18:48 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 03, 2023, 07:23:16 PM
Is there a point when bookings get reset or you need 10 to trigger a ban?
Reset after 19 games (halfway point) I believe.
Post by: 85kota on December 03, 2023, 07:26:04 PM
Is there a point when bookings get reset or you need 10 to trigger a ban?
Reset after 19 games (halfway point) I believe.
Thanks! 👍
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 03, 2023, 07:30:28 PM
Post by: Steve67 on December 03, 2023, 10:38:24 PM
Not so much reset, I think it just goes up to a higher number of bookings (possibly 10) before a ban.
Correct, but the ban at that point becomes two games I believe.
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 06, 2023, 10:42:40 PM
Super John McGinn.
Post by: Smirker on December 06, 2023, 10:59:27 PM
What a little bulldog of a player.
Post by: brontebilly on December 06, 2023, 11:03:45 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on December 06, 2023, 11:28:03 PM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on December 06, 2023, 11:34:46 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 07, 2023, 12:42:25 AM
Post by: AV84 on December 07, 2023, 12:44:52 AM
(Or maybe Juan Ginnez?)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 07, 2023, 01:08:54 AM
Juan Maguiño
(Or maybe Juan Ginnez?)
Probably Juan Blanco or Rubio.
Post by: darren woolley on December 07, 2023, 06:24:06 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 07, 2023, 07:07:15 AM
Can any one think of a player you would swap him for right now?
No nor me.
Post by: Rigadon on December 07, 2023, 07:29:37 AM
Post by: Risso on December 07, 2023, 08:00:01 AM
My MOTM, he is the driving force of this team.
Can any one think of a player you would swap him for right now?
No nor me.
There are a couple of midfielders doing as well as he is, in Kamara and Luiz, but well bugger me, they're ours as well.
Post by: luke95 on December 07, 2023, 08:03:55 AM
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on December 07, 2023, 08:22:08 AM
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 07, 2023, 08:36:17 AM
Post by: Scratchins on December 07, 2023, 08:38:51 AM
His arse is sensational, what a player, when he plays well we win. Love him.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - his backside should have it's own squad number.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 07, 2023, 08:42:45 AM
His close control and precise passing is so unappreciated because he’s just not a glamorous player. But he does things that if was South American, Spanish, Italian, even English there would be so much more conversation about him.
His little shuffle to disguise the perfect pass for the Torres chance was sublime. I rewound it back several times to watch and I still couldn't tell when he was going to release the ball it was disguised so well, and so perfectly weighted.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 07, 2023, 08:45:28 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on December 07, 2023, 08:58:23 AM
Post by: Clampy on December 07, 2023, 09:10:32 AM
Post by: ursineultra on December 07, 2023, 09:10:53 AM
Post by: stevo_st on December 07, 2023, 09:15:42 AM
Did a good job of putting him off for a cross he should have come for and caught easily
Post by: Risso on December 07, 2023, 09:17:00 AM
Post by: cdward on December 07, 2023, 09:33:09 AM
When he was distracting Ederson and Konsa's header went over, he had moved away and was completely unmarked towards the back post when the ball was played in.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 07, 2023, 09:38:08 AM
Tielmens didn’t look too shabby last night either.My MOTM, he is the driving force of this team.
Can any one think of a player you would swap him for right now?
No nor me.
There are a couple of midfielders doing as well as he is, in Kamara and Luiz, but well bugger me, they're ours as well.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on December 07, 2023, 09:52:41 AM
Post by: UK Redsox on December 07, 2023, 11:05:57 AM
I like the way he positions himself "offside" when we have free kicks close to their goal, it definitely distracts the keeper and other defenders, not knowing where he will go or do.
When he was distracting Ederson and Konsa's header went over, he had moved away and was completely unmarked towards the back post when the ball was played in.
Last night SJM also had the Ref puzzled when he was dancing in front of Ederson.
Looked as if the Ref was looking for a reason to move SJM out of the way, then realised that there wasn't one.
Post by: AV82EC on December 07, 2023, 12:06:41 PM
I was one of those thinking he couldn’t improve and that he’d reached his ceiling but his performance last night was little short of exceptional.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 07, 2023, 12:12:58 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on December 07, 2023, 12:15:50 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 07, 2023, 12:28:15 PM
I like the way he positions himself "offside" when we have free kicks close to their goal, it definitely distracts the keeper and other defenders, not knowing where he will go or do.
When he was distracting Ederson and Konsa's header went over, he had moved away and was completely unmarked towards the back post when the ball was played in.
Last night SJM also had the Ref puzzled when he was dancing in front of Ederson.
Looked as if the Ref was looking for a reason to move SJM out of the way, then realised that there wasn't one.
I was just looking through some videos on YouTube from the game and one kid was filming him during that and it's so funny to watch. He's doing star jumps and everything in front of Ederson.
Post by: LeeB on December 07, 2023, 12:29:41 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 07, 2023, 12:55:38 PM
My MOTM, he is the driving force of this team.
Can any one think of a player you would swap him for right now?
No nor me.
There are a couple of midfielders doing as well as he is, in Kamara and Luiz, but well bugger me, they're ours as well.
Tielemans isn't far behind in the last month and JJ coming back will get there as well. Add Bailey given he's often playing in a 4 and we have 6 players across the midfield who are all good enough to make us title challengers in my opinion. If we can keep this up into January and then add a little depth I think most of the league will be very nervous of us, it's insane to think that we are genuinely only 3-4 players away from having a champions league level squad.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 07, 2023, 01:17:44 PM
Unai Emery: "They are very good players and when I arrived here they were very good. But sometimes you need a comfortable atmosphere. John McGinn is the example of it. He's a fantastic man and captain. On the pitch he is smiling but he is also so responsible."
Post by: OCD on December 07, 2023, 01:44:56 PM
I like the way he positions himself "offside" when we have free kicks close to their goal, it definitely distracts the keeper and other defenders, not knowing where he will go or do.
When he was distracting Ederson and Konsa's header went over, he had moved away and was completely unmarked towards the back post when the ball was played in.
Last night SJM also had the Ref puzzled when he was dancing in front of Ederson.
Looked as if the Ref was looking for a reason to move SJM out of the way, then realised that there wasn't one.
😂
We did it against Legia Warsaw too and there does seem to be some merit for doing it.
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 07, 2023, 01:51:18 PM
Simply outstanding
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 07, 2023, 01:54:41 PM
I like the way he positions himself "offside" when we have free kicks close to their goal, it definitely distracts the keeper and other defenders, not knowing where he will go or do.
When he was distracting Ederson and Konsa's header went over, he had moved away and was completely unmarked towards the back post when the ball was played in.
Last night SJM also had the Ref puzzled when he was dancing in front of Ederson.
Looked as if the Ref was looking for a reason to move SJM out of the way, then realised that there wasn't one.
😂
We did it against Legia Warsaw too and there does seem to be some merit for doing it.
Look no further than McPhee. It’s all part of the plan.
Post by: dave shelley on December 07, 2023, 01:55:21 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 07, 2023, 03:48:09 PM
https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1732788808444260556?s=46
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 07, 2023, 04:27:03 PM
Highlights package of Meatball from last night. Just fucking immense
https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1732788808444260556?s=46
And some.
Post by: OCD on December 07, 2023, 04:36:37 PM
Post by: Ian. on December 07, 2023, 05:22:00 PM
Post by: Clampy on December 07, 2023, 05:30:59 PM
Post by: basavfc on December 07, 2023, 08:01:16 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/pn5KYFF/sjm1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pn5KYFF)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 07, 2023, 08:03:12 PM
Post by: Smithy on December 07, 2023, 08:10:38 PM
That over the top ball for Bailey was class. I only saw Watkins ahead of him and I muttered something about the pass when it was clear he had overhit it for Watkins. But then to see it was a perfect ball for Bailey, that was just quality.
The cheeky twat commentating on MOTD implied he'd overhit a pass to Watkins. Which I suppose is technically possible, but there is no way he didn't see Bailey as well.
Post by: Risso on December 07, 2023, 08:13:26 PM
That over the top ball for Bailey was class. I only saw Watkins ahead of him and I muttered something about the pass when it was clear he had overhit it for Watkins. But then to see it was a perfect ball for Bailey, that was just quality.
The cheeky twat commentating on MOTD implied he'd overhit a pass to Watkins. Which I suppose is technically possible, but there is no way he didn't see Bailey as well.
To be fair, it looked like he had massively overhit it to Watkins, and there were a few groans around the ground. But nobody (including the Man City defence) had seen Bailey steaming through to pick the ball up, and if Bailey had shot to the left instead of the right he'd have scored for sure. But that's half the point of Ollie, even though he had a fairly quiet game, he drew the Man City defenders away and left Leon with a chance.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 07, 2023, 08:17:20 PM
Post by: Dave on December 07, 2023, 08:47:57 PM
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There are a handful of players whose fitness and availability will help decide the Premier League title race. Rodri is perhaps the most obvious, but Declan Rice, William Saliba, Virgil van Dijk, Mo Salah and apparently John sodding McGinn are in that next echelon of importance
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 07, 2023, 08:48:48 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 07, 2023, 09:50:45 PM
Highlights package of Meatball from last night. Just fucking immense
https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1732788808444260556?s=46
The shuffle I mentioned earlier to disguise the pass to Torres is at 50 seconds onwards. As I mentioned even watching it a few times, the pass is still not seen until Torres has it.
Post by: AV84 on December 07, 2023, 10:26:59 PM
Highlights package of Meatball from last night. Just fucking immense
https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1732788808444260556?s=46
The shuffle I mentioned earlier to disguise the pass to Torres is at 50 seconds onwards. As I mentioned even watching it a few times, the pass is still not seen until Torres has it.
I thought he was waiting for someone to come back from an offside position when I first saw it, and then he had to pass it to Torres because he had no option. Watching it back multiple times it does look like deliberate subterfuge.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 07, 2023, 10:29:33 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 07, 2023, 10:41:48 PM
We all know how good he is at rolling a defender, and so do opposition managers, so in the past they could setup to handle it but now having a extra player to cover it creates too much space for Doug or Pau who can cause just as much trouble so teams struggle to pick them all up and, generally, 1 of the 3 finds himself in space to pick a pass into the final 3rd.
Post by: dave shelley on December 08, 2023, 09:27:36 AM
Post by: AV84 on December 08, 2023, 06:17:33 PM
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Dougray on Villa midfielder John McGinn: We had him at Hibs and he is a brilliant player, doing a great job for Villa. This is no disrespect to Villa, who are having a brilliant season, but I think he will end up at Manchester City, Liverpool or Manchester United - or he will go to Real Madrid or Barcelona; he is that good
Post by: OCD on December 08, 2023, 06:33:37 PM
Post by: Bad English on December 08, 2023, 06:37:59 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 08, 2023, 06:45:37 PM
Actor Dougray Scott on the BBC predictions page. No idea if he's serious or if it's Scottish sense of humour, but it made me laugh.That's a typical comment from someone who doesn't even have a passing interest in what Aston Villa are building.QuoteDougray on Villa midfielder John McGinn: We had him at Hibs and he is a brilliant player, doing a great job for Villa. This is no disrespect to Villa, who are having a brilliant season, but I think he will end up at Manchester City, Liverpool or Manchester United - or he will go to Real Madrid or Barcelona; he is that good
Post by: eamonn on December 08, 2023, 07:01:36 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 08, 2023, 07:09:35 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 08, 2023, 07:27:44 PM
Yeah, fuck him off. Scott that is, not Meatball.
Yeah, I've never met anyone called Dougray who was sound.
Post by: Smirker on December 09, 2023, 07:56:15 PM
What else can you say?
He is in the form of his life and everything he does just comes off.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 09, 2023, 07:57:29 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 09, 2023, 07:58:43 PM
In the post match interview SJM said that he had the same opportunity in a Europa game this season and laid it off. Said the Villa analysts advised him that for the same move to turn and shoot instead.
an anecdote that explains perfectly why Emery is the real deal.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 09, 2023, 08:09:30 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on December 09, 2023, 08:37:11 PM
Arsenal paid Chelsea £65m for Havertz.
Villa paid Hibs £2.7m for Meatball.
Havertz's 36 goals for Arse/Chelski have each cost £3.91m
McGinn's 22 for Villa?
£122,727
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 09, 2023, 09:39:36 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 09, 2023, 09:42:07 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 09, 2023, 09:58:03 PM
Unbelievable work rate, performance, and leader.
Brilliant from start to finish and wonderful goal.
He's banned the T (title) word, but he's leading and delivering first-class performances worthy of a title winning team
Wonderful swivel for the goal he took it so well with great instincts.
Ginny is looking forward to his two days off, acknowledging the manager's fairness in giving players some rest.
We've got McGinn! Super John McGinn!
Post by: Smirker on December 09, 2023, 10:02:23 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 09, 2023, 11:06:24 PM
Agree Footy. Glad you enjoyed it, enjoy the rest of your day mate 8)And you enjoy the wonderful weekend ! What a week it's been!!
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 09, 2023, 11:06:31 PM
Emery has improved the players by teaching them positional play and organisation, but I also credit many, including McGinn, who have learned, developed, stepped up, and improved considerably.
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Post by: darren woolley on December 09, 2023, 11:52:32 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 09, 2023, 11:58:49 PM
Post by: AGRIPPA on December 10, 2023, 12:08:47 AM
On RAWK they were saying his backside is a work of art, and comparing him to King Kenny. High praise indeed.
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Who’s King Kenny??
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 10, 2023, 12:15:18 AM
On RAWK they were saying his backside is a work of art, and comparing him to King Kenny. High praise indeed.
Who’s King Kenny??
It's what Kopites call Kenny Dalglish.
Post by: Villan82 on December 10, 2023, 12:18:12 AM
Been with us from the championship and stuck with us. All heart, tenacity and a hell of a lot of skill. An all-rounder. I desperately want him to either lift us a trophy or lead us out in the Champions league.
A big call this, but for me he is probably our player of the past 25 years (if he does one of those).
Post by: not3bad on December 10, 2023, 12:26:37 AM
Post by: LeeB on December 10, 2023, 12:36:20 AM
SJM has surged into my top five players of all time.
Been with us from the championship and stuck with us. All heart, tenacity and a hell of a lot of skill. An all-rounder. I desperately want him to either lift us a trophy or lead us out in the Championship.
A big call this, but for me he is probably our player of the past 25 years (if he does one of those).
He's certainly eclipsed another player that I think he was mates with.
Post by: monteddie on December 10, 2023, 01:55:52 AM
Very proud of Meatball, brilliant player who never fails to give 100% on top of that a Captain who has it all,. Your lads are doing the talking on the park, but he shines on and off. His after-match interview are brilliant, anyone looking in from the outside cannot fail to be impressed!
Looking forward to following you lot in the Champions League!!
Post by: Rory on December 10, 2023, 02:25:44 AM
First time poster, A hibby who has followed Villa since the Des Bremner days.
Very proud of Meatball, brilliant player who never fails to give 100% on top of that a Captain who has it all,. Your lads are doing the talking on the park, but he shines on and off. His after-match interview are brilliant, anyone looking in from the outside cannot fail to be impressed!
Looking forward to following you lot in the Champions League!!
Welcome, mate!
Post by: supertom on December 10, 2023, 10:58:25 AM
Absolutely superb. There's not really another player like him who can do what he does and of all the wondrous sights to see at the Villa right now, perhaps my favourite is the McGinn spin. It's majestic.
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 10, 2023, 12:14:40 PM
Hello Hibby! Did you see the Europa playoffs matches?First time poster, A hibby who has followed Villa since the Des Bremner days.
Very proud of Meatball, brilliant player who never fails to give 100% on top of that a Captain who has it all,. Your lads are doing the talking on the park, but he shines on and off. His after-match interview are brilliant, anyone looking in from the outside cannot fail to be impressed!
Looking forward to following you lot in the Champions League!!
Welcome, mate!
El Professor is teaching his captain well.
On the Goal yesterday.
After Ginny had previously been in a similar position and found himself with a chance in the box via Bailey, the analysts advised him that the next time he gets in that position, he should touch with his right foot, turn to his left, and shoot with his left foot as he had previously turned to his right. That he did take note of body positioning is credit to him and the coaches.
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 10, 2023, 12:15:32 PM
What's Rawk?On RAWK they were saying his backside is a work of art, and comparing him to King Kenny. High praise indeed.
Who’s King Kenny??
It's what Kopites call Kenny Dalglish.
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on December 10, 2023, 12:36:08 PM
Post by: Risso on December 10, 2023, 12:38:23 PM
What's Rawk?On RAWK they were saying his backside is a work of art, and comparing him to King Kenny. High praise indeed.
Who’s King Kenny??
It's what Kopites call Kenny Dalglish.
Red and White Kop, a Liverpool forum. Well known for their over the top meltdowns over the years.
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 10, 2023, 12:42:49 PM
First time poster, A hibby who has followed Villa since the Des Bremner days.Welcome
Very proud of Meatball, brilliant player who never fails to give 100% on top of that a Captain who has it all,. Your lads are doing the talking on the park, but he shines on and off. His after-match interview are brilliant, anyone looking in from the outside cannot fail to be impressed!
Looking forward to following you lot in the Champions League!!
Post by: Neil Hawkes on December 10, 2023, 01:27:18 PM
McGinn has seemed indefatigable this season but last night he looked like his legs were on the verge of saying enough is enough. He still found those moments to really press and harry and break forward. Incredible. I'd rest on him Thursday along with a handful of the other players who've cranked up a lot of minutes. We've got a few coming back and some who've just broken into the team who could benefit from the minutes. SGM, Dougie, Ollie and King Konsa deserve a break.Sorry, but I disagree, we do have another player that's similar to SJM, and that's JJ when fit.
Absolutely superb. There's not really another player like him who can do what he does and of all the wondrous sights to see at the Villa right now, perhaps my favourite is the McGinn spin. It's majestic.
To have both of them, one on the right & one on the left, carrying/driving the ball through multiple opposition players is a thing of beauty.
We've got to 3rd without JJ, as he comes back into form I hope that's the extra spark that makes us contenders.
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 10, 2023, 01:28:54 PM
Thanks.What's Rawk?On RAWK they were saying his backside is a work of art, and comparing him to King Kenny. High praise indeed.
Who’s King Kenny??
It's what Kopites call Kenny Dalglish.
Red and White Kop, a Liverpool forum. Well known for their over the top meltdowns over the years.
Interesting title.
I never view them as red and white
Post by: Somniloquism on December 10, 2023, 01:51:59 PM
Thanks.What's Rawk?On RAWK they were saying his backside is a work of art, and comparing him to King Kenny. High praise indeed.
Who’s King Kenny??
It's what Kopites call Kenny Dalglish.
Red and White Kop, a Liverpool forum. Well known for their over the top meltdowns over the years.
Interesting title.
I never view them as red and white
Well the kop is normally red and white as the home city isn't seen as multicultural as Birmingham... :P
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 13, 2023, 09:29:27 AM
I think could be looking at 8 to 10 goals+ for Ginny this season. In the Prem.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 13, 2023, 05:10:27 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 14, 2023, 12:29:56 AM
Red and White Kop, a Liverpool forum. Well known for their over the top meltdowns over the years.Thanks.
Interesting title.
I never view them as red and white
They wore white shorts until 1964. Shankly changed their kit to all red as he thought it would make the players would look more imposing.
Post by: algy on December 14, 2023, 08:04:49 AM
First time poster, A hibby who has followed Villa since the Des Bremner days.Heya, welcome. There's a certain level of mutual affection here - whilst I was living up in Scotland I'd go and watch Hibs a fair bit.
Very proud of Meatball, brilliant player who never fails to give 100% on top of that a Captain who has it all,. Your lads are doing the talking on the park, but he shines on and off. His after-match interview are brilliant, anyone looking in from the outside cannot fail to be impressed!
Looking forward to following you lot in the Champions League!!
Not been such a bad season for your lot so far either. Hopefully you'll keep it going for the rest of the season & get back in to Europe :)
Post by: purpletrousers on December 15, 2023, 12:07:11 AM
The John McGinn Story
Thank you Rudy, really enjoyed that!
Post by: JD on December 15, 2023, 07:03:41 AM
The John McGinn Story
That's fantastic RCF.
Post by: Axl Rose on December 15, 2023, 08:20:17 AM
But since Emery came in, and particularly this season, he's been superb.
I wanted him out under Gerrard. He was shite. But I'm feasting on humble pie now and it tastes delicious.
Fantastic, John.
Post by: Axl Rose on December 15, 2023, 08:21:27 AM
Thanks.What's Rawk?On RAWK they were saying his backside is a work of art, and comparing him to King Kenny. High praise indeed.
Who’s King Kenny??
It's what Kopites call Kenny Dalglish.
Red and White Kop, a Liverpool forum. Well known for their over the top meltdowns over the years.
Interesting title.
I never view them as red and white
I just view them as sub human scum
Post by: Bad English on December 15, 2023, 09:02:00 AM
Post by: Bad English on December 15, 2023, 09:03:19 AM
Correct. Everton are white.Thanks.What's Rawk?On RAWK they were saying his backside is a work of art, and comparing him to King Kenny. High praise indeed.
Who’s King Kenny??
It's what Kopites call Kenny Dalglish.
Red and White Kop, a Liverpool forum. Well known for their over the top meltdowns over the years.
Interesting title.
I never view them as red and white
Post by: hipkiss92 on December 15, 2023, 02:45:23 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 15, 2023, 03:05:58 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/john-mcginn-aston-villa-scotland-euro-2024-b2464146.html?lid=vw7ry8k6w2pi&utm_medium=email&utm_source=braze&utm_campaign=Reading%20the%20Game%20Newsletter%2015-12-23&utm_term=IND_Football_CDP
Paywalled, could you share?
Post by: OCD on December 15, 2023, 04:51:15 PM
Post by: KNVillan on December 15, 2023, 06:04:27 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/john-mcginn-aston-villa-scotland-euro-2024-b2464146.html?lid=vw7ry8k6w2pi&utm_medium=email&utm_source=braze&utm_campaign=Reading%20the%20Game%20Newsletter%2015-12-23&utm_term=IND_Football_CDP
Paywalled, could you share?
Fill your boots
https://archive.ph/31Jit
Post by: purpletrousers on December 16, 2023, 05:20:22 AM
Post by: purpletrousers on December 16, 2023, 03:19:12 PM
Loving the BraveArse love-in :)
Just been sent this by a Scottish Buddhist friend, from the Tartan Army FB group:
(https://i.ibb.co/G3xCwVV/IMG-4867.jpg) (https://ibb.co/G3xCwVV)
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 16, 2023, 05:41:01 PM
Post by: Mister E on December 16, 2023, 07:07:22 PM
I note the first-paragraph references the Rear of the Year award: just as an aside, I presented said award to Melinda Messenger in - I think -1998.Fill your bootshttps://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/john-mcginn-aston-villa-scotland-euro-2024-b2464146.html?lid=vw7ry8k6w2pi&utm_medium=email&utm_source=braze&utm_campaign=Reading%20the%20Game%20Newsletter%2015-12-23&utm_term=IND_Football_CDP (https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/john-mcginn-aston-villa-scotland-euro-2024-b2464146.html?lid=vw7ry8k6w2pi&utm_medium=email&utm_source=braze&utm_campaign=Reading%20the%20Game%20Newsletter%2015-12-23&utm_term=IND_Football_CDP)
Paywalled, could you share?
https://archive.ph/31Jit (https://archive.ph/31Jit)
A lovely woman she was.
Post by: AV82EC on December 16, 2023, 07:33:40 PM
I note the first-paragraph references the Rear of the Year award: just as an aside, I presented said award to Melinda Messenger in - I think -1998.Fill your bootshttps://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/john-mcginn-aston-villa-scotland-euro-2024-b2464146.html?lid=vw7ry8k6w2pi&utm_medium=email&utm_source=braze&utm_campaign=Reading%20the%20Game%20Newsletter%2015-12-23&utm_term=IND_Football_CDP (https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/john-mcginn-aston-villa-scotland-euro-2024-b2464146.html?lid=vw7ry8k6w2pi&utm_medium=email&utm_source=braze&utm_campaign=Reading%20the%20Game%20Newsletter%2015-12-23&utm_term=IND_Football_CDP)
Paywalled, could you share?
https://archive.ph/31Jit (https://archive.ph/31Jit)
A lovely woman she was.
I still prefer Sean Locks "Rectum of the Year".
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 16, 2023, 07:47:51 PM
I note the first-paragraph references the Rear of the Year award: just as an aside, I presented said award to Melinda Messenger in - I think -1998.
A lovely woman she was.
And a great customer services manager. All things considered, probably preferable to present the award to her rather than Michael Barrymore, Richard Fairbrass or Frank Skinner.
Post by: olaftab on December 16, 2023, 08:15:27 PM
What’s a FORUM?What's Rawk?On RAWK they were saying his backside is a work of art, and comparing him to King Kenny. High praise indeed.
Who’s King Kenny??
It's what Kopites call Kenny Dalglish.
Red and White Kop, a Liverpool forum. Well known for their over the top meltdowns over the years.
Post by: Border villan on December 16, 2023, 08:18:05 PM
Post by: OCD on December 17, 2023, 11:45:20 AM
A stat that came up on the latest Claret And Blue podcast was that for what Chelsea paid for Caicedo and Enzo Fernández you could get 111 John McGinns based on how much we signed him for.
I'd settle for 11 John McGinn's.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 12, 2024, 01:28:01 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/67959508
As he mentions the Captain speaks to the manager about players, I wonder whether that was why Carpethead took against Mings on something that was raised.
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2024, 02:36:44 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 12, 2024, 02:46:52 PM
The problem at the time with Gerrard was the way he handled everything
fixed
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2024, 02:49:11 PM
The problem at the time with Gerrard was the way he handled everything
fixed
Well, even in jest, that's not true. Kamara for example.
Post by: Drummond on January 12, 2024, 02:54:21 PM
The problem at the time was Gerrard
fixed
Post by: Drummond on January 12, 2024, 02:55:13 PM
The problem at the time with Gerrard was the way he handled everything
fixed
Well, even in jest, that's not true. Kamara for example.
Has he got something on you? ;)
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 12, 2024, 02:57:28 PM
The problem at the time with Gerrard was the way he handled everything
fixed
Well, even in jest, that's not true. Kamara for example.
Has he got something on you? ;)
Look at fucking Risso backing up his mate Gerrard. Sad day. He'll be telling us Garde was solid next.
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2024, 03:02:15 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 12, 2024, 03:07:47 PM
I fucking loved Garde me, not as much as O'Leary, obvs, but it's a close run thing. Personally I'd be sacking Emery and bring back Eric Black though.
Pauliewalnuts best mate.
Post by: Risso on January 12, 2024, 03:14:45 PM
I fucking loved Garde me, not as much as O'Leary, obvs, but it's a close run thing. Personally I'd be sacking Emery and bring back Eric Black though.
Pauliewalnuts best mate.
Everybody's best mate. Well not the Villa players who looked a bit foreign, but apart from them.
Post by: eamonn on January 12, 2024, 05:23:26 PM
"Leon told me "Bro...14 months until I learned what you were saying..." ;D
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 16, 2024, 11:57:21 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/7XwT7fr/IMG-1709.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7XwT7fr)
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 17, 2024, 12:52:34 PM
Although that could be laid at a good few of them to be honest
Post by: Richard on January 17, 2024, 02:04:17 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2024, 02:07:09 PM
Hadn’t seen this pic before. Mini SJM
(https://i.ibb.co/7XwT7fr/IMG-1709.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7XwT7fr)
He looks a little like Simon Barlow off Corrie.
Post by: AV84 on January 17, 2024, 02:22:23 PM
I assume they've all gone away this week and back in training Monday 22nd?
There was a video put up yesterday of a little kid from Jr Bake Off giving Pau Torres a birthday cake at Bodymoor. Not sure when they filmed it but his birthday was yesterday. So some of them are still around. Doesn't mean they're training, I suppose.
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 18, 2024, 01:12:05 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2024, 03:00:31 PM
1. Jeremy Doku 51
2. Matheus Cunha 50
3. Kudus Mohammed 46
4. Eberechi Eze 43
5. John McGinn 42
Progressive Passes
1. Declan Rice • 195
2. Bruno Fernandes and Zinchenko • 191
4. Rodri • 188
5. Pascal Groß • 174
6. Martin Ødegaard • 160
7. Bruno Guimarães • 153
8. Trent Alexander-Arnold • 144
9. Billy Gilmour • 138
10. John McGinn • 137
Fouls Drawn
1. Jordan Ayew 69
2. Bruno Guimarães 62
3. Bukayo Saka 45
4. Anthony Gordon 43
5. Lucas Paquetá 42
6. João Pedro • 41
7. John McGinn • 40
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2024, 06:09:36 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 06, 2024, 05:21:44 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFkM0gEWQAADMzr?format=jpg&name=360x360)
Post by: Dogtanian on February 06, 2024, 06:04:42 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 06, 2024, 06:07:59 PM
Scoring the 1st against Sheffield United that's 6 goals scored this season best ever scoring season in the Prem.
Footy, how many assists is he on now?
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 06, 2024, 06:40:54 PM
League:Scoring the 1st against Sheffield United that's 6 goals scored this season best ever scoring season in the Prem.
Footy, how many assists is he on now?
2 assists
6 goals
6 cards
2 goals in the Conference League makes his total goals scored 8.
I just wish Ginny would cut out his needless yellow cards as has been suspended once this season already. It could cost us if he doesn't adjust.
He's a much improved goal scorer this season which is great!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 06, 2024, 06:49:00 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 06, 2024, 06:50:48 PM
Seems Watkins does the assisting these days!
Leads the way with 10
Bailey 6
Luiz 4
Diaby 4
Tielemans 3
McGinn 2
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 06, 2024, 07:15:34 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 06, 2024, 07:37:50 PM
6/12
And if Bailey had the minutes it would be even better at .58 goals to shots on target.
7/12
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 07, 2024, 09:57:54 PM
Was he carrying an injury?
Was pretty shocking and had expected him to be part of a dominating midfield.
Rightfully subbed.
Post by: Dogtanian on February 08, 2024, 08:09:37 AM
He sinks when we are under the cosh. We need someone who will get the team and crowd worked up when we are in the shit, have some bite, and show that it's not okay to retreat into your shell when things are going wrong.
Mings has made the odd cock-up, but he knew how important this aspect of the game is.
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 08, 2024, 03:01:47 PM
Quite rightly hooked but it could of been at HT he was that poor.
Post by: Risso on February 08, 2024, 03:15:55 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 11, 2024, 12:20:27 PM
It would be unfair of me to say he'll score as well because I've already done my intuition forecast for Matty Cash to score.
However, Ginny could score from the free kick routine in which it's tapped to him he turns and he smashes it, as they must have been flying in training for him to keep having a go!
All that is required is proper execution and lift off!
I imagined it going in and the wild celebrations and everything!!
Post by: Drummond on February 12, 2024, 01:18:16 AM
Post by: OCD on February 12, 2024, 10:11:17 AM
Post by: Risso on February 12, 2024, 10:13:15 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 12, 2024, 10:14:12 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 12, 2024, 10:16:07 AM
Footy, instead of coming out with these predictions, why don't you just keep schtum and instead put a bet on at the bookies for all of them?
Or just do them on VillaTalk.
Post by: Risso on February 12, 2024, 10:40:01 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 25, 2024, 09:08:42 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 25, 2024, 09:44:56 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 03:26:19 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2024, 03:29:57 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 10, 2024, 03:30:46 PM
Post by: Risso on March 10, 2024, 03:40:48 PM
He's a fucking idiot.
Yep. Especially as he was one player actually doing OK. He’s let everybody down badly today, and even putting aside the humiliation of the result this afternoon, his three game ban really could bugger our top 5 hopes mire than anything else.
West Ham away and Wolves coming up who we always struggle against. Then Man City away where we’ll get another shoeing.
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2024, 03:43:37 PM
Post by: Monty on March 10, 2024, 03:45:27 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 03:49:51 PM
Why he decided to do sonwthing so idiotic ill never know. 3 game ban what have you done john ffs?
Post by: eamonn on March 10, 2024, 03:50:39 PM
Just before the sending-off he was winning free-kicks and taking them quickly to get us in behind their defence.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 10, 2024, 03:51:30 PM
I think we all know the answer to that one Risso!
His religious beliefs?
Post by: rougegorge on March 10, 2024, 03:53:35 PM
It’s pretty unforgivable given he’s the captain. Absolutely idiotic.And yet lots of people were applauding him off as if he had done something really good. One or two near me were even giving a standing ovation. Ridiculous!
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2024, 03:56:16 PM
It’s pretty unforgivable given he’s the captain. Absolutely idiotic.And yet lots of people were applauding him off as if he had done something really good. One or two near me were even giving a standing ovation. Ridiculous!
Yeah well that’s equally idiotic.
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 04:00:36 PM
It’s pretty unforgivable given he’s the captain. Absolutely idiotic.And yet lots of people were applauding him off as if he had done something really good. One or two near me were even giving a standing ovation. Ridiculous!
Wow that really is
It’s pretty unforgivable given he’s the captain. Absolutely idiotic.And yet lots of people were applauding him off as if he had done something really good. One or two near me were even giving a standing ovation. Ridiculous!
Well thats just pure embarrassing
Post by: ez on March 10, 2024, 04:01:31 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on March 10, 2024, 04:02:11 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on March 10, 2024, 04:04:08 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 10, 2024, 04:04:16 PM
Shame that one or two of his colleagues didn’t show the same claret and blue desire and determination today….
Yeah, we could've got the game abandoned and it'd have gone down as a 0-3 defeat.
Post by: eamonn on March 10, 2024, 04:06:46 PM
Desire and determination isn't measured by a poor tackle and getting the game ended as a contest just after the hour mark. He was shite today, like the rest of them, and had lost his head.
Prior to his moment of madness, he was our our lad most likely to make a difference. We're going to miss his urgency a lot til April.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 10, 2024, 04:07:39 PM
Post by: Monty on March 10, 2024, 04:10:06 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 04:19:35 PM
Thats the second violent conduct red we have seen this season. Really really not good enough we need to be far more rational
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 10, 2024, 04:45:21 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 10, 2024, 04:47:44 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 10, 2024, 04:48:13 PM
And whose fault is that?
His, just as it's partially (big partially) down to him that we've done so well this season.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 10, 2024, 04:50:01 PM
And whose fault is that?
His, just as it's partially (big partially) down to him that we've done so well this season.
Without wanting to be too Roy Keane about it, that's his job. What his job doesn't involve is sitting on his admirable backside for three games because he's acted the ******.
Post by: Villan82 on March 10, 2024, 04:51:17 PM
Post by: Ian. on March 10, 2024, 04:53:21 PM
I can only think giving them two goals has really done his head in and he lost the plot for a second.
Post by: eamonn on March 10, 2024, 04:57:15 PM
And whose fault is that?
His, just as it's partially (big partially) down to him that we've done so well this season.
Without wanting to be too Roy Keane about it, that's his job. What his job doesn't involve is sitting on his admirable backside for three games because he's acted the ******.
All I'm saying is that I cut him more slack because no one tries harder for us than he does. He's fucked-up and I'm sure when he's next interviewed, he'll admit that and look to make amends.
Post by: Ian. on March 10, 2024, 05:00:42 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on March 10, 2024, 05:10:30 PM
As for him getting applauded off "by a few" - literally the whole Holte End sang his name after he made the challenge - it was the loudest we were all game. It's a passionate game and it's part of the McGinn package - yes it was daft and reckless but that red mist descends sometimes and it's part of what makes him tick.
Post by: Risso on March 10, 2024, 05:13:44 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 10, 2024, 05:16:07 PM
I guess to be fair to those at Villa Park, they didn't see it in slow motion like we did. It was a red card, but it wasn't studs up or a leg breaker.
I certainly thought it was fucking stupid and reckless. But you see infringements like that where the player doesn’t go flying and a yellow is given. I can see why it was given. I just don’t think it merited a straight red when you see how much other stuff goes unpunished or only given as yellows.
Post by: Steve67 on March 10, 2024, 05:23:27 PM
Post by: brontebilly on March 10, 2024, 05:24:52 PM
Post by: Chris Harte on March 10, 2024, 05:29:24 PM
He was also pretty much the only player in our team showing any urgency at this point.
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 10, 2024, 05:34:49 PM
I guess to be fair to those at Villa Park, they didn't see it in slow motion like we did. It was a red card, but it wasn't studs up or a leg breaker.
I certainly thought it was fucking stupid and reckless. But you see infringements like that where the player doesn’t go flying and a yellow is given. I can see why it was given. I just don’t think it merited a straight red when you see how much other stuff goes unpunished or only given as yellows.
I haven't seen it again since, and the only replay I caught was from in front, but at the time I thought that if the ref had shown him a yellow card, the VAR wouldn't have sent him to the monitor.
Post by: Chris Harte on March 10, 2024, 05:37:39 PM
Post by: Dave on March 10, 2024, 05:41:19 PM
I thought it was a yellow card, myself. It was reckless, and a clear foul, but giving a red card for that was poor by the referee.
No it wasn't. An argument could plausibly be made that it was a yellow. The fact that it was a red was still completely fine though.
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 05:49:41 PM
Post by: Chris Harte on March 10, 2024, 05:52:14 PM
At first thought it was a yellow but thats a red. No attempt to get the ball whatsoever. Pathetic and ridiculous by mcginn. He should receive a fine from the club for that in my opinion. Its cost us today and probably will in next 3. Cheers John. As captain should be setting a example not to lose your head like that.He will get a fine for that, assuming it's not overturned. I think the poor defending cost us more.
Post by: AV82EC on March 10, 2024, 06:05:35 PM
Post by: Drummond on March 10, 2024, 06:14:26 PM
Post by: Drummond on March 10, 2024, 06:14:54 PM
Post by: walsall villain on March 10, 2024, 06:17:43 PM
He’s owes us big time on Thursday night.It was rash but he’s competitive and it’s surprising he hasn’t seen red with us before. He owes me nothing, he’s been fantastic for us.
Post by: Richard E on March 10, 2024, 06:18:26 PM
Post by: nick harper on March 10, 2024, 06:24:21 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 10, 2024, 06:27:59 PM
Post by: Ads on March 10, 2024, 06:29:08 PM
Post by: Grande Pablo on March 10, 2024, 06:31:56 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 10, 2024, 06:32:34 PM
That's his first red for us in 205 games. That surprised me I have to say.
And that says a lot. He’s seen some shit since joining us. So for that to be a snapping point shows how angry he’d become at himself and the team. He’s built this game up in the media too as really important. He lost his head because he gave a fuck. Just that it came across in a way that didn’t ultimately help us today or for a few games to come.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 10, 2024, 06:33:05 PM
It was stupid but I cut him some slack because it's his physicality and attitude that often wakes-up our slow, passive playing.
Just before the sending-off he was winning free-kicks and taking them quickly to get us in behind their defence.
Just before the red he also got down the byline and hit a decent cross. Think he was annoyed Zaniolo and others were just standing waiting for the ball rather than one making a near post run (I mention Zaniolo as he was the nearest to McGinn and the goal).
He was our best player today. If he just trips Udogie it's just a yellow. The issue was the ridiculous force he went in with. Surprised a few are still saying it's a yellow as that's exactly the type of foul that needs to be taken out of football.
Believe it or not but other teams do get players sent off for those challenges so it's not some sort of conspiracy.
Is that McGinn's first ever red for us? He gets booked plenty but always tends to manage himself o.k when on a yellow so he'll have to learn from this and make sure he dosen't do anything like that in games in May as that will really cost us.
Post by: TonyD on March 10, 2024, 06:33:24 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 10, 2024, 06:34:37 PM
It’s pretty unforgivable given he’s the captain. Absolutely idiotic.And yet lots of people were applauding him off as if he had done something really good. One or two near me were even giving a standing ovation. Ridiculous!
That's pretty much the law isn't it? Fans by the tunnel will always give a standing ovation to a player sent off even if they've committed GBH!
Was the same when Dublin got sent off v SHA all those years ago.
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 06:38:47 PM
He’s owes us big time on Thursday night.It was rash but he’s competitive and it’s surprising he hasn’t seen red with us before. He owes me nothing, he’s been fantastic for us.
Fantastic yes but now we have missing for four games including today. So all that good work could have been all been for nothing.
I think he owes us a performance vs ajax before his break off
Post by: ez on March 10, 2024, 06:41:33 PM
I'm desperately trying to look for positives.
Post by: Risso on March 10, 2024, 06:44:13 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on March 10, 2024, 06:47:34 PM
It’s pretty unforgivable given he’s the captain. Absolutely idiotic.And yet lots of people were applauding him off as if he had done something really good. One or two near me were even giving a standing ovation. Ridiculous!
That's pretty much the law isn't it? Fans by the tunnel will always give a standing ovation to a player sent off even if they've committed GBH!
Was the same when Dublin got sent off v SHA all those years ago.
In Dublin's case he should get an OBE for nutting Robbie Savage , a standing ovation just wasnt enough
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on March 10, 2024, 06:48:26 PM
He’s owes us big time on Thursday night.It was rash but he’s competitive and it’s surprising he hasn’t seen red with us before. He owes me nothing, he’s been fantastic for us.
Agree.
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 06:50:26 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on March 10, 2024, 06:58:25 PM
If the ref had given him a yellow I don’t think VAR would have upgraded it to a red.That is how I saw it. It was a definite foul but and I expected a yellow card.
Post by: Olof's Beard on March 10, 2024, 07:01:41 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 10, 2024, 07:04:11 PM
Not sure what we do now. Iroegbunam is miles off being good enough, and Tielemans (the world’s oldest 26 year old) hasn’t got the legs to play centrally. Maybe Ramsey if he’s fit.
Tim needs to be given a chance. Yes he's raw in a few aspects but that's the whole point of young players, you develop them by giving them decent game time.
People been slagging off Howe and Ten Hag all season but both at least have given young players like Miley and Mainoo regular starts and in very big games aswell so time for us to do that now rather than going with starting formations the players really aren't that comfortable with.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 10, 2024, 07:04:15 PM
If ramsey isnt fit it will be timmy but do we still have o reilly?? He looks a prospect.
He's on loan at Real Union, where he's played one match.
I reckon he's about as read to play against Man City, Wolves and West Ham as your average matchday mascot.
Post by: brontebilly on March 10, 2024, 07:21:15 PM
Not sure what we do now. Iroegbunam is miles off being good enough, and Tielemans (the world’s oldest 26 year old) hasn’t got the legs to play centrally. Maybe Ramsey if he’s fit.
Tim needs to be given a chance. Yes he's raw in a few aspects but that's the whole point of young players, you develop them by giving them decent game time.
People been slagging off Howe and Ten Hag all season but both at least have given young players like Miley and Mainoo regular starts and in very big games aswell so time for us to do that now rather than going with starting formations the players really aren't that comfortable with.
Tim got a start against a 'bang average' Ajax team midweek and was lost. To be fair to Emery, look through our bench and there aren't any hard luck stories with not being picked. Tielemans is starting because noone else is showing any bit of form.
McGinn will be a colossal loss.
Post by: Holy Trinity on March 10, 2024, 07:38:46 PM
All players have moments like this from time to time, he's no exception. But he's got an enormous amount of credit in the bank and he can now have a rest for a few weeks and be like a man possessed when he's back in the team.
Post by: Drummond on March 10, 2024, 07:51:22 PM
Post by: Holy Trinity on March 10, 2024, 11:11:22 PM
Being a man possessed is what caused today's infraction.
I think it was probably Italy beating Scotland yesterday that did him in.
Post by: adrenachrome on March 11, 2024, 12:36:07 AM
It's all very well playing with your heart and emotion, but there is a downside. That's why I always use to say keep him away from our final third.
Post by: itbrvilla on March 11, 2024, 07:34:02 AM
Post by: Villafirst on March 11, 2024, 07:50:05 AM
Why did we sell Donk given the state of the squad?
Agree. Then came Kamara's ACL injury shortly after and now McGinn's 3 game suspension leaves the midfield looking threadbare. I think Diego Carlos can play as a DM? - this might be necessary to add some physicality to the midfield. Thoughts?
Post by: simboy on March 11, 2024, 07:57:31 AM
Post by: ozzjim on March 11, 2024, 08:00:16 AM
I would have been pissed too with the lack of urgency some of our lot were showing.
Post by: Ian. on March 11, 2024, 08:04:31 AM
We were very careless after halftime though. We came out far too sluggish and Spurs obviously responded to their half time talk quicker than us.
Post by: Ian. on March 11, 2024, 08:05:27 AM
Why did we sell Donk given the state of the squad?
He wasn’t good enough. He can’t get in the team over there in that shit league.
Post by: ozzjim on March 11, 2024, 08:11:37 AM
Looking back today, it’s nowhere near as bad as I thought it was at the time.
We were very careless after halftime though. We came out far too sluggish and Spurs obviously responded to their half time talk quicker than us.
Worst thing is, we all knew we would be shit for 5 minutes after half time. Said to my lad at the ground, first 5 second half are vital as we have been sloppy after half time so often.
Post by: Olof's Beard on March 11, 2024, 08:29:24 AM
Why did we sell Donk given the state of the squad?
He wasn’t good enough. He can’t get in the team over there in that shit league.
He is no world beater, but he played a good chunk of the winning run which got us into Europe last season, covering for Kamara. He played in our two best performances last season (Brentford home, Newcastle home).
Most importantly, he is an experienced international who knows how to play in a critical position for which we have no cover. If we had sold him in January, it would have made more sense. But loaning him out looked daft at the time and so it has proved.
Post by: Drummond on March 11, 2024, 08:53:31 AM
Post by: Olof's Beard on March 11, 2024, 09:23:02 AM
Dendoncker is not the answer.
I am not sure what this even means. I am not saying he would be our first choice as we look to improve, but he would have been a better option that shifting to a back five that the team are unfamiliar with, negating McGinn's attacking threat and now throwing an untried kid into the starting XI, possibly alongside the changed formation if Ramsey remains out.
The evidence is there, his presence in Kamara's absence last season was not detrimental to the side. We left to squad too light in midfield, so much so that two injuries meant five at the back.
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2024, 09:25:02 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2024, 09:27:25 AM
Agree with OB. The Donk wasn't the greatest or most mobile player, but he could pass and was a physical presence. He'd absolutely be starting the next three games while McGinn is out.
He's certainly a much more sensible option currently than Tim would be - and before anyone weighs in, I am not writing Tim off, I am happy to see him get game time, but I'd much rather it wasn't under these circumstances, at this point in the season, with where things are poised.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 11, 2024, 09:28:40 AM
Dendoncker is not the answer.Not having a central midfield isn’t either.
Hopefully he saw Tim as a better option.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 11, 2024, 09:53:03 AM
Dendoncker is not the answer.Not having a central midfield isn’t either.
Hopefully he saw Tim as a better option.
If he does, he needs to play him in the system that's got us to where we are. There's no point throwing a kid into a system that the experienced players haven't got a clue how to play either.
Post by: sid1964 on March 11, 2024, 09:57:54 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 11, 2024, 09:59:20 AM
Agree with OB. The Donk wasn't the greatest or most mobile player, but he could pass and was a physical presence. He'd absolutely be starting the next three games while McGinn is out.
Agree with OB. The Donk wasn't the greatest or most mobile player, but he could pass and was a physical presence. He'd absolutely be starting the next three games while McGinn is out.
He's certainly a much more sensible option currently than Tim would be - and before anyone weighs in, I am not writing Tim off, I am happy to see him get game time, but I'd much rather it wasn't under these circumstances, at this point in the season, with where things are poised.
Yes I’ll be honest I haven’t seen much of Tim but I had assumed they saw him as more advanced in his development since they’ve left him exposed. McGinn has really badly let us down. Yesterday was horrible, but had we just lost 2-0 without a sending off we could have moved on fairly quickly. Now McGinn has left us with a major problem for 3 games, and if we don’t get a good points return in two of those (the Citeh game is a bit of a no hoper) it could be fatal for our top 4 hopes.
Fair or not Tim is going to have to step up.
Post by: PeterWithe on March 11, 2024, 10:12:11 AM
Post by: Rigadon on March 11, 2024, 10:14:15 AM
Having watched it again, you see Udogie carries on then falls over, so for me, McGinns red card rescinded and a yellow to Udogie for simulation.
It would be funny... At least one of their players should've been booked for the reaction. Brennan Johnson for one. But of course they weren't.
Post by: Demitri_C on March 11, 2024, 10:21:26 AM
Having watched it again, you see Udogie carries on then falls over, so for me, McGinns red card rescinded and a yellow to Udogie for simulation.
It was a red but i agree he should ahve been booked for that. We never get pens or spurs rarely gets reds against us. I bet if a spurs player did that to one of ours he would have got a yellow
Post by: Chris Smith on March 11, 2024, 11:18:49 AM
Post by: Drummond on March 11, 2024, 11:31:11 AM
If that had happened on the other side of the pitch away from their dugout then in all probability it would have been a yellow card at most.
At the time it looked like a minimum booking to me, and when red was waved I wasn't surprised.
Their reaction, including the play acting of the victim didn't help at all. Having seen the replay since, I'd have said yellow was fairer, and if it had been on the other side of the pitch a yellow would have been given, with no intervention from VAR.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 11, 2024, 11:39:34 AM
The reaction of the Spurs players and bench didn't help, but that's par for the course now.
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2024, 11:41:18 AM
Post by: simboy on March 11, 2024, 11:44:09 AM
I hope the players do that thing they do at rough schools, where they make a tunnel, force him to walk through it, then give him a good kicking. Konsa too. Then Emery.
if they did that after yesterday's game there would be no one to form the tunnel
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2024, 11:48:03 AM
I hope the players do that thing they do at rough schools, where they make a tunnel, force him to walk through it, then give him a good kicking. Konsa too. Then Emery.
if they did that after yesterday's game there would be no one to form the tunnel
Ah, that's a good point actually. Maybe it could be a continually moving one, where the players at the front run round to the back for their (fully deserved) turn?
Post by: LeeB on March 11, 2024, 11:51:23 AM
I hope the players do that thing they do at rough schools, where they make a tunnel, force him to walk through it, then give him a good kicking. Konsa too. Then Emery.
if they did that after yesterday's game there would be no one to form the tunnel
Ah, that's a good point actually. Maybe it could be a continually moving one, where the players at the front run round to the back for their (fully deserved) turn?
A human centipede of arse kicking would've been appropriate yesterday.
Post by: Mister E on March 11, 2024, 01:25:39 PM
Poor refereeing and no apparent input from the lino.
Post by: aj2k77 on March 11, 2024, 01:28:56 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 11, 2024, 01:38:12 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 11, 2024, 01:40:23 PM
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2024, 01:58:49 PM
A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.
Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play."
It was a red card all day long. Not a studs up leg-breaker, but there was no attempt to play the ball and there was definitely excessive force. I wouldn't have wanted to be on the end of it anyway.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 11, 2024, 02:01:50 PM
Edit: here it is.
(https://i.ibb.co/DGmZq1B/Screenshot-2024-03-11-16-04-24.png) (https://ibb.co/DGmZq1B)
Post by: Demitri_C on March 11, 2024, 02:24:04 PM
Now he costs us in the next 3 at a very crucial period.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 11, 2024, 02:37:20 PM
Yep. At the time i thought it was harsh but after seeing it properly in a more rational state thats a clear red. Dangerous and lathtuc from our experienced captain. Should know better and i hope the club fine him as he deserves it after letting us down with that reckless decision that cost us dearly.
Now he costs us in the next 3 at a very crucial period.
Lets see if we lose them before stating we have.
Post by: Drummond on March 11, 2024, 03:06:55 PM
There's a still online somewhere that shows the moment of impact. McGinn only has eyes for the player, the ball's miles away and he's not interested. It's as red as you like.
Edit: here it is.
(https://i.ibb.co/DGmZq1B/Screenshot-2024-03-11-16-04-24.png) (https://ibb.co/DGmZq1B)
I'm surprised you're able to decipher what he's looking at and what he's intending with the look based on that photo.
It was a shit challenge, absolutely worthy of a card. On many days a yellow would have been given, yesterday it was red. I don't think anyone is saying anything much different.
If that had been a yellow, it could have been the challenge that sparked us into life.
I'd say he took his legs, bit there were no studs, no leg was planted, he just took him out. Nobody would want to be on the receiving end of one, but then you'd argue the same about many of his legitimate tackles!!
Post by: OCD on March 11, 2024, 03:10:20 PM
Post by: Ads on March 11, 2024, 03:11:49 PM
Post by: Rigadon on March 11, 2024, 03:13:28 PM
It's the reaction from the Spurs players and bench that made up the ref's mind to give red, rather than yellow. He could have given a yellow and given the VAR the chance to review it and call him over to the monitor if they felt it needed upgrading to red.
I think it was a red and would’ve been called one if it had gone to VAR. that said, at least a couple of the spurs players who were shoving and grabbing McGinn by the neck should also have been at least booked. Not one of them was though.
Post by: Olof's Beard on March 11, 2024, 03:15:35 PM
He's the player he is because he's so competitive and tenacious but that on this occasion, he crossed the line. He's not done it before and I'm sure he won't do it again. But our midfield without him is going to be a bit scary over the next few games.
Post by: Demitri_C on March 11, 2024, 03:16:54 PM
Yep. At the time i thought it was harsh but after seeing it properly in a more rational state thats a clear red. Dangerous and lathtuc from our experienced captain. Should know better and i hope the club fine him as he deserves it after letting us down with that reckless decision that cost us dearly.
Now he costs us in the next 3 at a very crucial period.
Lets see if we lose them before stating we have.
Well if yesterday was anything to go by id say the probability is extremely high
Post by: usav on March 11, 2024, 03:17:26 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 11, 2024, 03:42:43 PM
Yep. At the time i thought it was harsh but after seeing it properly in a more rational state thats a clear red. Dangerous and lathtuc from our experienced captain. Should know better and i hope the club fine him as he deserves it after letting us down with that reckless decision that cost us dearly.
Now he costs us in the next 3 at a very crucial period.
Lets see if we lose them before stating we have.
Well if yesterday was anything to go by id say the probability is extremely high
Or we look at the season as a whole and we haven't followed up a league loss with another loss. Of course it could happen, but why take one match and use that as the guide for how all the other matches will go?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 11, 2024, 03:47:05 PM
Has he apologised? He should.I don't get the constant demand for apologies in the current world. It's almost an obsession. I imagine he's far more pissed off about the sending-off and result than you are.
Post by: usav on March 11, 2024, 03:56:38 PM
Has he apologised? He should.I don't get the constant demand for apologies in the current world. It's almost an obsession. I imagine he's far more pissed off about the sending-off and result than you are.
Nonsense. He's the club captain and is supposed to lead by example. Ignoring the immediate mess he left us in yesterday, he has fucked us over for the next 3 games.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 11, 2024, 04:02:25 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 11, 2024, 04:48:47 PM
Yep. At the time i thought it was harsh but after seeing it properly in a more rational state thats a clear red. Dangerous and lathtuc from our experienced captain. Should know better and i hope the club fine him as he deserves it after letting us down with that reckless decision that cost us dearly.
Now he costs us in the next 3 at a very crucial period.
Lets see if we lose them before stating we have.
Well if yesterday was anything to go by id say the probability is extremely high
Or we look at the season as a whole and we haven't followed up a league loss with another loss. Of course it could happen, but why take one match and use that as the guide for how all the other matches will go?
I dont agree with that. We have entered a very important part of the season and we have no kamara and potentially no JJ. Now with no mcginn its a absolute disaster in Cm as we are down to the bare bones thanks to his stupidity. A captain sets the example. If we lose the next few matches the mcginn red will be a main factor in that.
Post by: Clampy on March 11, 2024, 05:07:04 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on March 11, 2024, 05:10:23 PM
Post by: WassallVillain on March 11, 2024, 05:13:27 PM
He lost his head, it was a crazy thing to do and we’re going to miss him hugely. It was far more mental than what Kamara did before Christmas as he nearly put that fella in row z.I think he was pissed off with Zaniolo having just created the best chance of the game for us by barging his way along the goal line.
I can only think giving them two goals has really done his head in and he lost the plot for a second.
Post by: The Charmer on March 11, 2024, 05:45:51 PM
I'm with you on this summation Drummond.There's a still online somewhere that shows the moment of impact. McGinn only has eyes for the player, the ball's miles away and he's not interested. It's as red as you like.
Edit: here it is.
(https://i.ibb.co/DGmZq1B/Screenshot-2024-03-11-16-04-24.png) (https://ibb.co/DGmZq1B)
I'm surprised you're able to decipher what he's looking at and what he's intending with the look based on that photo.
It was a shit challenge, absolutely worthy of a card. On many days a yellow would have been given, yesterday it was red. I don't think anyone is saying anything much different.
If that had been a yellow, it could have been the challenge that sparked us into life.
I'd say he took his legs, bit there were no studs, no leg was planted, he just took him out. Nobody would want to be on the receiving end of one, but then you'd argue the same about many of his legitimate tackles!!
I think Udogie looks like a very useful part of the Tottenham set-up, a real athlete.
SJM had a rush of blood and took him out - it happens.
But then what happened next was interesting.
He hit the deck, was rightly furious, bounced up and went to confront McGinn.
This all happened in seconds but, in a flash, the mindset of the modern day player took over.
Straight back down on the turf to maximise the seriousness for all to witness. Job done.
Stayed down for a few minutes. McGinn is red carded. Udogie is helped to his feet & performs the obligatory hobble - Praise be, he's going to live.
Of course, the madcap tackle bashed him up for a few minutes but, fortunately, he wasn't injured.
He seemed quite comfortably able to see-out the full 100 minutes at any rate.
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 11, 2024, 06:32:01 PM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on March 11, 2024, 07:33:10 PM
It was a yellow and a talking to, anywhere else on the pitch, it is a yellow. Right in front of the Spurs bench - gets him the red.
I would have been pissed too with the lack of urgency some of our lot were showing.
Agree with this it’s a yellow all day, fucking Spurs wanky over reaction got him sent off.
Amazed so many think it’s a red.
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 11, 2024, 08:38:48 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 11, 2024, 08:51:09 PM
It was a yellow and a talking to, anywhere else on the pitch, it is a yellow. Right in front of the Spurs bench - gets him the red.
I would have been pissed too with the lack of urgency some of our lot were showing.
Agree with this it’s a yellow all day, fucking Spurs wanky over reaction got him sent off.
Same here, I'm in the 'it was more of a yellow than a red' camp.
Post by: Hillbilly on March 12, 2024, 05:04:14 AM
*ducks for cover*
Post by: ldavfc4eva on March 12, 2024, 07:00:54 AM
Natural replacement for Kam, even if he isn’t at his level
Post by: Chris Harte on March 12, 2024, 07:52:36 AM
Same here. Both posts.It was a yellow and a talking to, anywhere else on the pitch, it is a yellow. Right in front of the Spurs bench - gets him the red.
I would have been pissed too with the lack of urgency some of our lot were showing.
Agree with this it’s a yellow all day, fucking Spurs wanky over reaction got him sent off.
Amazed so many think it’s a red.
Btw, we're people as angry as some have been over McGinn when Boubacar Kamara got sent off at Brentford after Emi Martinez had stupidly got involved with Neal Maupay?
(Edit for clarity)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 12, 2024, 07:56:32 AM
And given the evidence and the aggravating circumstances he should be tried, convicted and sentenced to ten years apologising in writing to everyone he’s wronged.
Post by: Risso on March 12, 2024, 07:58:49 AM
Btw, we're people as angry as some have been over McGinn when Boubacar Kamara got sent off at Brentford after Emi Martinez had stupidly got involved with Neal Maupay?
(Edit for clarity)
Probably not, but then
a) We won the game
b) We didn't go on to ship 4 goals to our closest top 4 rivals wiping out our goal difference over them
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 12, 2024, 08:18:36 AM
Anyone know what the recall provisions are on Sanson and Dendonker?
*ducks for cover*
Can’t be done.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 12, 2024, 08:49:19 AM
Yeah, I think so. Although possibly more so at Emi than Bouba.
Btw, were people as angry as some have been over McGinn when Boubacar Kamara got sent off at Brentford after Emi Martinez had stupidly got involved with Neal Maupay?
Post by: Somniloquism on March 12, 2024, 09:22:21 AM
As for my reaction to Kamara, I was furious the ref decided a tap to the face was a straight red, but a running two handed shove to the chest right in front of him, and multiple wild swings of his arms on other players was only a yellow. There is something wrong when any slight hand to face is classed as violent conduct and the other acts are not.
And I was angry at Martinez for continuing it with Maupay when we had all the space at the back to play it around because he was on the ground so were down to 9 men when trying to press.
Post by: eamonn on March 12, 2024, 01:07:24 PM
Anyone know what the recall provisions are on Sanson and Dendonker?
*ducks for cover*
Can’t be done.
I've loved Morgan from the start and always will.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 12, 2024, 01:10:37 PM
Yeah, I think so. Although possibly more so at Emi than Bouba.
Btw, were people as angry as some have been over McGinn when Boubacar Kamara got sent off at Brentford after Emi Martinez had stupidly got involved with Neal Maupay?
I remember quite a few moaning about it but i suppose you would when they're such key players and we've lost so many others to injury (Bouba and McGinn).
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on March 12, 2024, 01:16:17 PM
Yeah, I think so. Although possibly more so at Emi than Bouba.
Btw, were people as angry as some have been over McGinn when Boubacar Kamara got sent off at Brentford after Emi Martinez had stupidly got involved with Neal Maupay?
I remember quite a few moaning about it but i suppose you would when they're such key players and we've lost so many others to injury (Bouba and McGinn).
I was definitely pissed and am at McGinn. You can't do a cynical foul with that much force, it's incredibly dumb. When it's that obvious you're not playing the ball then you are simply risking a red.
Post by: Pat McMahon on March 12, 2024, 11:18:20 PM
Morgan de toi?Anyone know what the recall provisions are on Sanson and Dendonker?
*ducks for cover*
Can’t be done.
I've loved Morgan from the start and always will.
Post by: Bad English on March 13, 2024, 12:02:48 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 15, 2024, 02:41:36 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 15, 2024, 07:02:58 AM
We need to start pressuring officialdom just like our peers do and seemingly get away with
Post by: Demitri_C on March 15, 2024, 07:13:25 AM
Btw, we're people as angry as some have been over McGinn when Boubacar Kamara got sent off at Brentford after Emi Martinez had stupidly got involved with Neal Maupay?
(Edit for clarity)
Probably not, but then
a) We won the game
b) We didn't go on to ship 4 goals to our closest top 4 rivals wiping out our goal difference over them
This. Just to clarify i was still pissed off more because he missed a further 3 games. Mcginn missing 3 games at a crucial period.
Mcginn did what romaro did vs chelsea. Lost his head and it cost us dearly
Post by: Somniloquism on March 15, 2024, 08:52:29 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 15, 2024, 10:07:37 AM
Post by: eamonn on March 15, 2024, 10:08:56 AM
Post by: LeeB on March 15, 2024, 01:19:30 PM
It’s not a yellow, the ball had gone and he didn’t just trip him he booted him. It wouldn’t get overturned.
Yeah, it's not a leg breaker or anything but it was a clear and obvious boot in the air and no panel in the world would overturn it.
Post by: Dogtanian on March 26, 2024, 11:29:28 AM
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/scots-star-john-mcginn-turned-into-superman-ahead-of-northern-ireland-clash/a46817598.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/scots-star-john-mcginn-turned-into-superman-ahead-of-northern-ireland-clash/a46817598.html)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 26, 2024, 11:51:09 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on March 26, 2024, 11:51:53 AM
Brilliant stuff, good to see the SFA going for something bit different.
Definitely. It's their best cover since Radiator.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 26, 2024, 11:53:59 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on March 26, 2024, 11:56:34 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/K6hYGqM/4ae8edd9-6f9a-4d06-8e17-d7115eb40d21.jpg) (https://ibb.co/K6hYGqM)
Post by: Clampy on March 26, 2024, 12:09:40 PM
Brilliant stuff, good to see the SFA going for something bit different.
Definitely. It's their best cover since Radiator.
Applause.
Post by: Drummond on March 26, 2024, 12:56:14 PM
Brilliant stuff, good to see the SFA going for something bit different.
Definitely. It's their best cover since Radiator.
I like that you quoted the post before it was made.
Post by: Dogtanian on March 26, 2024, 01:02:21 PM
Brilliant stuff, good to see the SFA going for something bit different.
Definitely. It's their best cover since Radiator.
I like that you quoted the post before it was made.
Foresight. 8)
Post by: caster troy on March 31, 2024, 11:43:36 AM
Post by: Ian. on March 31, 2024, 11:53:55 AM
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Post by: Dogtanian on March 31, 2024, 10:25:28 PM
I think he had a beer in his hand.
Surely, twas Irn Bru?
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 01, 2024, 02:09:51 AM
Post by: olaftab on April 01, 2024, 05:37:33 AM
Did anyone notice that when they put SJM and Mings up on the big screen yesterday he didn't give a thumbs up even when pushed by Mings to do it? I think he was too embarrassed to be in the stands for a huge game after the stupid red card, especially as captain. That shows a really top class mentality and is a good indicator of where we are as a team now compared to recent years. I'm expecting him to be seriously fired up when he returns next week.I hope he's not "fired up" as that's what got him in trouble against spuds.
Post by: Tuscans on April 01, 2024, 01:41:28 PM
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Post by: Somniloquism on April 01, 2024, 03:53:44 PM
Some fun little quips from Ginny.
Same YT channel has an interview with Unai, I will post it there.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 01, 2024, 04:02:00 PM
Post by: Tuscans on April 01, 2024, 04:23:45 PM
The Emery one is terrible. First question from the interviewer, "You say good evening and good afternoon every time....why"?Some fun little quips from Ginny.
Same YT channel has an interview with Unai, I will post it there.
Post by: Tuscans on April 01, 2024, 04:25:52 PM
Have they also got that short one of him and Watkins discussing how they want each other's national side to get on?
https://www.tiktok.com/@avfcofficial/video/7349589652434619681
Post by: Somniloquism on April 01, 2024, 05:33:29 PM
The Emery one is terrible. First question from the interviewer, "You say good evening and good afternoon every time....why"?
It does sound worse when you use ellipses to cut out her stating she doesn't get it much in any other managerial interviews which was the point in asking. And she is correct, how many other managers do you notice greeting the interviewer after the match? It is very unique to him.
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 02, 2024, 08:58:58 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 05, 2024, 02:09:31 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on April 05, 2024, 02:17:29 PM
When was this odd interview with McGinn and Watkins take place as the interviewer said he saw Martinez at an amusement park with his family !
He won't still be there, if you're thinking of stalking him!
Post by: Somniloquism on April 05, 2024, 02:33:41 PM
When was this odd interview with McGinn and Watkins take place as the interviewer said he saw Martinez at an amusement park with his family !
The same day as the City match obviously. Martinez had not recovered from the Wurlitzers and that as well as the dodgy hot dog was why he had the Wurlshitzers.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 06, 2024, 04:50:05 AM
Post by: Clampy on April 06, 2024, 07:35:28 AM
Post by: DrGonzo on April 06, 2024, 09:00:14 AM
We've struggled badly without him or Kamarra to fill those deeper midfield positions. Luiz is class but he needs a strong tackler alongside him to make the formation effective.
Post by: Chris Smith on April 06, 2024, 09:30:08 AM
Post by: Ian. on April 06, 2024, 09:43:10 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 06, 2024, 10:19:38 AM
If Villa were at full strength squad, he may not be able to just walk right into the team, but I forecast Ginny will start and captain the team today. So I say welcome back SJM a captain's performance today please !
If he doesn't start then Emery is trying to make a point and I hope that doesn't happen.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 06, 2024, 10:22:07 AM
I heard he was spotted in the Temple Bar area at three in the morning drunkenly singing My Lovely Mayo Mammy.
I heard he was serenading female passers-by with "When they begin the McGinn" before heading heading to Zaytoon for a kebab.
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 06, 2024, 10:31:46 AM
Let's hope he doesn't have any further episodes of aggressive lunacy. If he can retain his cool, he'll be a valuable asset for remaining games. Offers so much to the midfield .
If Villa were at full strength squad, he may not be able to just walk right into the team, but I forecast Ginny will start and captain the team today. So I say welcome back SJM a captain's performance today please !
If he doesn't start then Emery is trying to make a point and I hope that doesn't happen.
Normal service has been resumed.
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2024, 10:44:11 AM
Let's hope he doesn't have any further episodes of aggressive lunacy. If he can retain his cool, he'll be a valuable asset for remaining games. Offers so much to the midfield .
If Villa were at full strength squad, he may not be able to just walk right into the team, but I forecast Ginny will start and captain the team today. So I say welcome back SJM a captain's performance today please !
If he doesn't start then Emery is trying to make a point and I hope that doesn't happen.
Lunacy you say? Of course he's going to start.
Post by: AV82EC on April 06, 2024, 10:44:53 AM
Let's hope he doesn't have any further episodes of aggressive lunacy. If he can retain his cool, he'll be a valuable asset for remaining games. Offers so much to the midfield .
If Villa were at full strength squad, he may not be able to just walk right into the team, but I forecast Ginny will start and captain the team today. So I say welcome back SJM a captain's performance today please !
If he doesn't start then Emery is trying to make a point and I hope that doesn't happen.
Normal service has been resumed.
Define “normal”.
Post by: Ian. on April 06, 2024, 10:59:37 AM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on April 06, 2024, 11:05:13 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 06, 2024, 11:06:41 AM
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2024, 11:18:18 AM
There's a good chance he'll score today.
Do give it a rest.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 06, 2024, 12:09:35 PM
Let's hope he doesn't have any further episodes of aggressive lunacy. If he can retain his cool, he'll be a valuable asset for remaining games. Offers so much to the midfield .
If Villa were at full strength squad, he may not be able to just walk right into the team, but I forecast Ginny will start and captain the team today. So I say welcome back SJM a captain's performance today please !
If he doesn't start then Emery is trying to make a point and I hope that doesn't happen.
Normal service has been resumed.
Indeed, but if footy is advocating for less lunacy there is hope for his future posts.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 06, 2024, 12:11:20 PM
There's a good chance he'll score today.
Do give it a rest.
I like his left-field prediction that the captain might be erm… the captain. I wonder what odds the bookies will give me?
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 06, 2024, 12:27:44 PM
Let's hope he doesn't have any further episodes of aggressive lunacy. If he can retain his cool, he'll be a valuable asset for remaining games. Offers so much to the midfield .
If Villa were at full strength squad, he may not be able to just walk right into the team, but I forecast Ginny will start and captain the team today. So I say welcome back SJM a captain's performance today please !
If he doesn't start then Emery is trying to make a point and I hope that doesn't happen.
What the fuck is a "Ginny"?
Was that was John McGinn was drinking in Dublin?
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2024, 12:36:00 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 06, 2024, 08:03:54 PM
There's a good chance he'll score today.
I presume you lost a lot of money on that bet.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 07, 2024, 12:08:39 AM
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Post by: SaddVillan on April 22, 2024, 08:37:38 AM
We must have some very clever people at Villa - how else does he pass the post match drugs tests?
Post by: Somniloquism on April 22, 2024, 08:55:48 AM
Post by: nick harper on April 22, 2024, 09:20:37 AM
Post by: Rigadon on April 22, 2024, 09:40:09 AM
I like him in that deeper central role. Him and Tielemans really complement each other. Dougie is a real technician but McGinn just brings more energy and moves the ball quicker. Interesting decision for Unai on Saturday.
Yes, I agree - tough call.
Post by: Risso on April 22, 2024, 10:07:04 AM
Post by: Keeno on April 22, 2024, 10:17:06 AM
I wouldn't mind him coming off the bench v Chelsea and moving McGinn or Tielemans slightly further forward, with Luiz coming back in to his usual role. Chelsea also tend to play with quite a compact, energetic midfield with Gallagher, Caicedo and Enzo behind so we could perhaps do with an extra man in there.
Post by: Risso on April 22, 2024, 10:19:28 AM
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 24, 2024, 12:37:12 AM
What a difference a top coach makes!
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 24, 2024, 01:56:40 AM
Bailey looked fit enough all game to me, second half especially he tore them a new arsehole. No mid-week game this week, I reckon he'll be fine. We can't afford any slip ups, so if we do want an extra midfielder I'd move Tielemans further forward and use Diaby as a sub.
Exactly what I’d do.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 24, 2024, 01:57:46 AM
Hard to take in how good McGinn and Teillemens were on Sunday, when you consider that Bouba and Doug were regarded as rock-solid selections for these positions before they became unavailable..
What a difference a top coach makes!
Imagine how good they’ll be when inspired by competition for places.
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 24, 2024, 02:14:07 AM
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Post by: chrisw1 on April 24, 2024, 02:05:53 PM
Let's remember, the first third of the season, Tielemans couldn't get in the team....we have Kamara, Ramsey and Buendia to come back for next season.Nor could Bailey. They both showed superb attitudes and are integral now.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 08, 2024, 08:54:45 PM
Seems below par. Somewhat tired.
Needs a big performance tomorrow.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 08, 2024, 10:29:43 PM
What's going on with Ginny ?Playing something approaching 60 games this season (including internationals) might have a bit to do with it.
Seems below par. Somewhat tired.
Needs a big performance tomorrow.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 09, 2024, 05:24:44 PM
Since the start of this Premier League season and for club and country, the Scotland international has played 58 games in 267 days. This equates to a match every four and a half days over nine straight months.
Players are playing through pain,” said McGinn. “We did not expect Leon in Lille, never mind coming on and putting in a performance like that. Several players, including myself, had off nights. But that is when you look at the squad. We have had many injuries and many games. You are in the trenches now. You look to your left and right and hope someone digs you out.”
McGinn is Villa’s captain. His leadership style, according to team-mates and Emery, errs on the side of showing rather than telling on the pitch, but his attitude is exemplary. On occasions this season, he has reminded certain players about the standards of how to behave and speak to staff around the training ground. He is a down-to-earth, honest talker and has, lately, spoken about frustrations with his own slightly skittish performances.
McGinn has spoken about being “knackered” and the growing appreciation he has for rest days, even if he has learned his lesson of not asking Emery, on behalf of the players, for days off, knowing the brick-wall response he will be given.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2024, 05:50:24 PM
"The manager has a no-excuse mentality. People have written us off and we’ve floated under the radar. We’ll have our Man City tops on [on Tuesday]. Big Jhon is a bit nuts at times, he’s a nightmare to play against. It was a brilliant effort towards the end. We got a bit of luck. It’s been a tough few weeks with lads coming back and playing through the pain barrier.”
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2024, 05:51:06 PM
Post by: LeeB on May 14, 2024, 05:51:55 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2024, 05:55:54 PM
It was disgusting how he was elbowed by McAllister and the official seemed to not take any notice instead warning McGinn
I thought he was going to have to come off just before half time but was obviously some good medical work done and think he was Super John McGinn last night all in all. Aside from a yellow card but I think it was necessary.
It's annoying how opponents weren't booked for such fouls on him
Post by: Drummond on May 14, 2024, 06:05:26 PM
Jack Grealish says Ginny and Callum Robinson are his closest and two best friends in football
Not to be funny or anything but why would you
A/ care
B/ post it on here
C/ think anyone else would care
D/ not post it on the Grealish thread in other football
I couldn't give a toss what that twat says to be honest. And all it does is suggest to me that McGinn (I presume that's who you are talking about) has poor judgement in his choice of acquaintance.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 14, 2024, 06:36:22 PM
Post by: Drummond on May 14, 2024, 08:31:29 PM
Because Grealo is playing for City tonight and Ginny is supporting them as we all are!
Who?
Post by: Bad English on May 14, 2024, 08:41:06 PM
Post by: dave shelley on May 15, 2024, 08:30:58 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on May 15, 2024, 08:41:42 AM
He has been here almost 6 years already
Post by: darren woolley on May 15, 2024, 08:42:48 AM
Post by: dave shelley on May 15, 2024, 09:23:18 AM
Would you say mcginns close to legend status here?
He has been here almost 6 years already
Ask me again when he's sold or retires.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 15, 2024, 09:43:13 AM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1790512917215068293
Post by: Risso on May 15, 2024, 09:43:56 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 15, 2024, 09:50:26 AM
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 15, 2024, 09:52:21 AM
Would you say mcginns close to legend status here?
He has been here almost 6 years already
I think he’s a club legend now. Bought for peanuts in the Championship. Scored the goal to get us promoted. Big part in keeping us up and now captained us to the champions league.
Usually, you’d want a legend to have won something, but I think he’s an exception to that. And he still might anyway.
Post by: Drummond on May 15, 2024, 09:54:12 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 15, 2024, 09:57:17 AM
*Baby Jacob..... ;D
Post by: 144 Hard Boiled Eggs on May 15, 2024, 10:02:18 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 15, 2024, 10:33:36 AM
I would state that at some point we would out grow him, but he seems to raise his level to match where the club needs it to be. Some European midfielder won't know what has hit them, but will have nightmares of two globes clad in white material when they sleep at night.
There's not many clubs in the Prem' who wouldn't want SJM in their team, if he keeps fit and clear of injuries he has another 4 years in him at this level.
Post by: eamonn on May 15, 2024, 10:59:06 AM
Wonder if he'll get to 10 years with us. Be nice to have someone do it properly, ie by deserving to and playing well, rather than just hanging round, getting fat and collecting his wages for doing fuck all like Agbonlahor.
He's certainly come a long way from the "fat knacker" dying days under Gerrrard whose "no ketchup in the canteen" seemed to be the height of his fitness policy!
Post by: purpletrousers on May 15, 2024, 11:08:52 AM
Would you say mcginns close to legend status here?
He has been here almost 6 years already
I think he’s a club legend now. Bought for peanuts in the Championship. Scored the goal to get us promoted. Big part in keeping us up and now captained us to the champions league.
Usually, you’d want a legend to have won something, but I think he’s an exception to that. And he still might anyway.
Add in the down to earth/humble/loveable personality and he ensures our Scottish roots/quota. Happy Days.
Not sure where Unai’s statue would go, but if we keep progressing at this rate the Scot’s might be a bit over represente in Bronze. (That would require a lot more, no need to bite)
Post by: robleflaneur on May 15, 2024, 11:36:54 AM
I would state that at some point we would out grow him, but he seems to raise his level to match where the club needs it to be. Some European midfielder won't know what has hit them, but will have nightmares of two globes clad in white material when they sleep at night.So a new McGinn song,"Arse in White Satin "
Post by: brontebilly on May 15, 2024, 11:37:59 AM
Would you say mcginns close to legend status here?
He has been here almost 6 years already
Think he has surpassed Gareth Barry in that X1 of last 30 years. McGinn is a Villa legend.
Post by: Demitri_C on May 15, 2024, 12:02:22 PM
Would you say mcginns close to legend status here?
He has been here almost 6 years already
I think he’s a club legend now. Bought for peanuts in the Championship. Scored the goal to get us promoted. Big part in keeping us up and now captained us to the champions league.
Usually, you’d want a legend to have won something, but I think he’s an exception to that. And he still might anyway.
I completely agree. One of our biggest bargains ever and a fantastic role model for our club. Take note grealish
Post by: chrisw1 on May 15, 2024, 12:06:05 PM
(no puking back there)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 15, 2024, 12:21:02 PM
Captain. Leader. Legend.
(no puking back there)
Well it's too fucking late for that. Where do I sign up for trigger warnings?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 15, 2024, 12:24:03 PM
Captain. Leader. Legend.
Fast becoming a Villa legend, like JT.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 15, 2024, 12:24:16 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 15, 2024, 12:24:57 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on May 15, 2024, 12:28:13 PM
Captain. Leader. Legend.
Fast becoming a Villa legend, like JT.
🧯
Post by: Somniloquism on May 15, 2024, 02:39:43 PM
I don't have to admit any such thing.
Not going to use it in the byword for your latest work?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2024, 02:39:57 PM
https://x.com/tybracey/status/1790732804528943451?s=46
Post by: Dogtanian on May 15, 2024, 04:41:54 PM
A new post football career beckons for our captain.
https://x.com/tybracey/status/1790732804528943451?s=46
His little eyes! ;D
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 17, 2024, 11:44:58 PM
https://x.com/keslerszn/status/1791212909848109159?s=46
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 17, 2024, 11:48:32 PM
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour. Needs to be stripped of the captaincy.
Seems a bit culturally tone-deaf of you, it's what us Celts do.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 18, 2024, 12:01:30 AM
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour. Needs to be stripped of the captaincy.
Seems a bit culturally tone-deaf of you, it's what us Celts do.
I won’t have it. “Celts”…that explains it all.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 18, 2024, 12:15:43 AM
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour. Needs to be stripped of the captaincy.
Seems a bit culturally tone-deaf of you, it's what us Celts do.
I won’t have it. “Celts”…that explains it all.
Well, if you prefer 'Tuatha Dé Danann'....
Post by: Rory on May 18, 2024, 12:38:33 AM
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour. Needs to be stripped of the captaincy.
Seems a bit culturally tone-deaf of you, it's what us Celts do.
I won’t have it. “Celts”…that explains it all.
Well, if you prefer 'Tuatha Dé Danann'....
'Taig' is easier to spell 🙂
(Upon bar staff reading the name on my ID, I've been refused service and called that more than a dozen times, so I reserve the right to use it just as a black man may with the 'n word'.)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 18, 2024, 12:59:43 AM
'Taig' is easier to spell 🙂
(Upon bar staff reading the name on my ID, I've been refused service and called that more than a dozen times, so I reserve the right to use it just as a black man may with the 'n word'.)
You still passing that Freddie Scappaticci passport?
Post by: Rory on May 18, 2024, 01:14:37 AM
'Taig' is easier to spell 🙂
(Upon bar staff reading the name on my ID, I've been refused service and called that more than a dozen times, so I reserve the right to use it just as a black man may with the 'n word'.)
You still passing that Freddie Scappaticci passport?
Haha, not for a year or so.
But it took me three years to get citizenship. Sending all sorts of paperwork. I finally get it, apply for a passport - they want me to send it all again, but in a slightly different configuration!
As if they need evidence. Look at my name, look at my fucking complexion (you know both).
Post by: eamonn on May 18, 2024, 02:27:50 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 19, 2024, 01:31:32 PM
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour. Needs to be stripped of the captaincy.
Seems a bit culturally tone-deaf of you, it's what us Celts do.
I won’t have it. “Celts”…that explains it all.
Well, if you prefer 'Tuatha Dé Danann'....
That gave me 2000AD backflashes.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 06, 2024, 09:31:27 AM
I listened to it so you have to too.
https://x.com/jj_bull/status/1798301603935756417
Yes, it is shite but it's meant to be. JJ Bull has a pretty quirky sense of humour, I quite like him.
edit - full version
Post by: purpletrousers on June 06, 2024, 10:39:57 AM
If a meteor tried to land on John McGinn he would bounce it away with his ample arse not head it away.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 06, 2024, 11:07:21 AM
Utter nonsenseLove the fact you must have listened to most the song to get to that part. It's released on Spotify at midday if you want it on repeat.If a meteor tried to land on John McGinn he would bounce it away with his ample arse not head it away.
Post by: Lizz on June 09, 2024, 08:30:14 PM
https://x.com/ScotlandNT/status/1799865438446514408
Edit: already in the Euros thread.
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 11, 2024, 11:25:51 AM
https://x.com/saintmirrenfc/status/1800471070203338981?t=KgnI__oQ4tA7_yPuGyxu0w&s=19
Another one is still at Motherwell.
Post by: SaddVillan on June 14, 2024, 10:19:14 AM
Sing along everybody.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 14, 2024, 10:46:05 AM
https://open.spotify.com/track/5KVselr0rm9x9NkaeF18u5?si=j6uJWfjdTXupcU_iQJdXUw&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A7tGmlNhWLTaqITAA2ntPWx
Sing along everybody.
It's no 'Ally's Tartan Army'.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on June 23, 2024, 08:44:52 PM
Post by: Villan For Life on June 23, 2024, 08:46:10 PM
Performances for Scotland of late of of late draw a striking similarity to the final weeks of Gerrard’s tenure. Not overly worried, am sure Unai pre August will get him back to where he needs to be for us.
Don’t worry, he’s got better players around him at Villa Park.
Post by: SaddVillan on June 23, 2024, 08:48:08 PM
Performances for Scotland of late of of late draw a striking similarity to the final weeks of Gerrard’s tenure. Not overly worried, am sure Unai pre August will get him back to where he needs to be for us.
Working with a lower quality of player for Scotland compared to Villa.
Better performance thus far against Hungary, despite getting fouled almost every time he's on the ball.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 23, 2024, 08:48:53 PM
Performances for Scotland of late of of late draw a striking similarity to the final weeks of Gerrard’s tenure. Not overly worried, am sure Unai pre August will get him back to where he needs to be for us.
Don’t worry, he’s got better players around him at Villa Park.
And better fans.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on June 23, 2024, 08:52:38 PM
Is correct but like I said , not overly worried.Performances for Scotland of late of of late draw a striking similarity to the final weeks of Gerrard’s tenure. Not overly worried, am sure Unai pre August will get him back to where he needs to be for us.
Don’t worry, he’s got better players around him at Villa Park.
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2024, 08:57:52 PM
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 23, 2024, 09:18:15 PM
There was a graphic doing the rounds a while back that only 1 player in a major european league had played more games than McGinn in the last 12 months (think it was a Benfica player). There's nothing complicated about it, the guy is fucking exhausted and needs a break. Personally I'd be planning for him to miss the first 2-3 games so he can have a proper 4-5 week break after this.
Said something similar earlier today, I expect Unai to give him a decent break and ease him into the season. Fortunately we have plenty of midfielders coming in to share the load.
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2024, 09:23:23 PM
I presume you mean pre season friendly games Paul and not the actual season?
Nope, I mean that I wouldn't want to see him in training until the end of July, I'd say the same about a few others as well. We need to keep an eye on player welfare after the way last season ended.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 23, 2024, 09:33:21 PM
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Post by: astonvilla82 on June 23, 2024, 10:35:13 PM
He usually goes to Benidorm I believe.We should see him just before the season starts then, with his Spanish hat and donkey
Post by: VillaTim on June 23, 2024, 10:42:13 PM
And then onto Dubai to meet his chum Grealish.Vegas baby .
Post by: eamonn on June 23, 2024, 10:42:20 PM
In an era of 5 subs regularly being made, I think 90 minute games are probably a thing of the past for him now.
Still expect him to start the majority of our matches next season and to continue to be a key player for us.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 23, 2024, 11:09:20 PM
He usually goes to Benidorm I believe.
I was wondering why aldridgeboy was there. Hotel's nice and there's no kids, so he should get some rest.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2024, 04:38:06 PM
He does so much running off the ball, he's not a natural athlete given his size (apart from the elite-level arse) and he's 30 in October.I'm wondering where is he fitting into the team ? Especially bringing in two or three more signings and probably a couple of those being big name players.
In an era of 5 subs regularly being made, I think 90 minute games are probably a thing of the past for him now.
Still expect him to start the majority of our matches next season and to continue to be a key player for us.
I tend to think he be club captain but not necessarily a guaranteed starter though will start initially
I think once squad is finalised can see what the approach will be.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 14, 2024, 09:58:45 PM
None of this banning the T word this season !
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Post by: Dogtanian on August 17, 2024, 11:38:09 PM
Game seemed to pass him by a little today. Having said that if he’d buried his chance my stance would be somewhat different. Competition for places will do him the world of good.
I thought he played some great stuff in the first half. He was less influential the second, hence his replacement.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 18, 2024, 12:33:50 AM
It would be very interesting to see all our midfield options on absolute top form. I reckon Martinez, Torres, and Watkins are the only 3 players Emery sees as sure things on the team sheet. Captain or not.
I know we will be rotating a lot anyway but one of my 'hot takes' before the season is that he will not be first choice come the second half of the season. Which is great as it shows our depth.
Post by: Risso on August 18, 2024, 08:39:58 AM
It would be very interesting to see all our midfield options on absolute top form. I reckon Martinez, Torres, and Watkins are the only 3 players Emery sees as sure things on the team sheet. Captain or not.
I know we will be rotating a lot anyway but one of my 'hot takes' before the season is that he will not be first choice come the second half of the season. Which is great as it shows our depth.
I think you could be right. He'll still have his part to play of course, but at the moment he doesn't seem to have a nailed on position.
Post by: Steve67 on August 18, 2024, 09:14:07 AM
Post by: danno on August 18, 2024, 09:38:42 AM
I think it will be a lot harder to name our best eleven when everyone is fit. I was thinking yesterday that Kamara should play when he’s available but I’d not want to drop Tielemans or Onana.
Post by: AV84 on August 18, 2024, 09:51:51 AM
Post by: Risso on August 18, 2024, 10:40:44 AM
Hopefully we do well in multiple competitions this season and everyone gets a fair amount of playing time. It's highly unlikely we get a full season of 50 or more games without anyone being injured either. I've seen several media places talking about how many players we've brought in and do we now have too many, but only a few have acknowledged the fact we're looking to compete in the CL this season AND maintain our position in the Premier League. You need a big squad to do that, and the teams that do it consistently have quality players on the bench all the time.
When everybody's fit (yeah, I know) we'll have excellent players not even getting in the matchday squad. Yesterday we had Moreno, Barrenechea and Iling-Jr out of the 20. And we've got Mings and Kamara to return.
Post by: AV84 on August 18, 2024, 10:53:00 AM
The likes of Digne, Moreno, Mings, McGinn and even Watkins are the wrong side of 25 and there's great opportunity for a lot of the young lads to become their replacements, if they're happy to learn under Emery for a season or two.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 18, 2024, 03:27:25 PM
He does so much running off the ball, he's not a natural athlete given his size (apart from the elite-level arse) and he's 30 in October.I'm wondering where is he fitting into the team ? Especially bringing in two or three more signings and probably a couple of those being big name players.
In an era of 5 subs regularly being made, I think 90 minute games are probably a thing of the past for him now.
Still expect him to start the majority of our matches next season and to continue to be a key player for us.
I tend to think he be club captain but not necessarily a guaranteed starter though will start initially
I think once squad is finalised can see what the approach will be.
I think he plays better on the right, but Bailey was out there yesterday.
I think it will be a lot harder to name our best eleven when everyone is fit. I was thinking yesterday that Kamara should play when he’s available but I’d not want to drop Tielemans or Onana.
Yes I think he starts again on the left for protection against Saka like it was to negate Bowen.
I actually would have Ramsey on the left in some matches ahead of McGinn
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Post by: purpletrousers on September 04, 2024, 11:23:58 PM
Force of habit searching for Villa items revealed the John McGinn draft excluder
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 09, 2024, 08:16:57 PM
Didn't Steve Bruce sign John McGinn?Oh yes quite right!
I just always associate McGinn and Smith.
So it's Bruce who made our best value signing this century.
And this is how he did it :
"I remember Neil Lennon's son telling me the best player in Scotland was John McGinn. He was at Hibs at the time, Lenny, so I got straight on the phone to him and said we need to find out about McGinn. So we went to work on it.
On signing McGinn
"I had heard his grandad used to be Celtic chairman. We had to stall.
We didn't have the £2million at the time and he was going to Celtic, but I had heard that his dad and grandad played golf. I thought 'I am going to try and get his dad down to give us a little bit of stalling time'
We got him to The Belfry and got the pro to play him - which gave us another 4-5 hours to rustle up the £2million because we didn't have it at the time. I am really pleased for him because he has turned into a really, really top player"
Quite Brilliant by Bruce.
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On a lighter note, clearly approving new terms and conditions for an online selling app I've only used onvce was clearly more attractive than the painful task I was procrastinating.My lad has one of those, it's brilliant
Force of habit searching for Villa items revealed the John McGinn draft excluder
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 14, 2024, 06:52:37 PM
He does so much running off the ball, he's not a natural athlete given his size (apart from the elite-level arse) and he's 30 in October.I'm wondering where is he fitting into the team ? Especially bringing in two or three more signings and probably a couple of those being big name players.
In an era of 5 subs regularly being made, I think 90 minute games are probably a thing of the past for him now.
Still expect him to start the majority of our matches next season and to continue to be a key player for us.
I tend to think he be club captain but not necessarily a guaranteed starter though will start initially
I think once squad is finalised can see what the approach will be.
Worth opening the debate again given some felt discontent with his contribution
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2024, 08:34:40 PM
Worth opening the debate again given some felt discontent with his contribution
I think we're getting to the point where he'll be an important squad player, but without necessarily being first choice. McGinn's issue is we've got better players than him in every position now, and he doesn't really have a nailed on position to call his own.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 19, 2024, 10:43:24 PM
Worth opening the debate again given some felt discontent with his contribution
I think we're getting to the point where he'll be an important squad player, but without necessarily being first choice. McGinn's issue is we've got better players than him in every position now, and he doesn't really have a nailed on position to call his own.
I agree on the quality aspect but I suspect there’ll be a period where Emery will pick him ahead of more talented players because he needs his personality on the pitch. Back handed praise but a bit like how Henderson was picked by clearly decent managers despite being a limited player.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 19, 2024, 10:49:36 PM
McGinn, who played 66 matches last season, including with Scotland at Euro 2024, acknowledged success could be a double-edged sword. “I think that there is a part of it that’s getting a little out of hand, especially the Club World Cup next season,” he said. “We are fortunate to be well paid for doing a job we absolutely love. No one is getting away from that, but at times the mental side of things you need to switch off.
“Initially, when we first got into European competition, it was like: ‘Keep the games coming, just keep them coming.’ But it is hard to churn them out when you are playing 70-plus games a season and then you’re playing international games. There’s not a lot of time to rest.”
Asked about the pressures games bring, McGinn said: “It’s more so the mental side. Football at this level brings amazing highs and tremendous lows. At the end of the season you just want to go: ‘Hands up, I’m done.’ But now the teams in that Club World Cup, they’re not going to have any time to do that. People’s health is the most important thing
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 19, 2024, 10:57:28 PM
Quite frankly, McGinn should not be complaining. He played 66 games. It is his profession. Milner and Young do not moan. I see his point, but it's about how a professional looks after themselves off the pitch, and it sounds like Ginny feeling under pressure to perform at a high level on a consistent basis.
McCoist said on TNT the other night that McGinn never gets less than a 7/10. I'm not sure. I've seen him have some really awful showings, but in games when he's not performing, he can spring into action for periods and looks busy and he'll always be a committed player.
Interesting thoughts, but I can't help thinking he's going to be rotation for Ginny so he won't need to worry about playing too many games.
I remember under Deano of the 6th game in 18 days we beat Arsenal 1-0. And didn't even make many changes in that period!
Post by: Risso on September 19, 2024, 11:03:36 PM
I agree on the quality aspect but I suspect there’ll be a period where Emery will pick him ahead of more talented players because he needs his personality on the pitch. Back handed praise but a bit like how Henderson was picked by clearly decent managers despite being a limited player.
Henderson did at least have a defined role in the team though, as the main water carrier and grafter. McGinn isn't going to get in to central midfield ahead of Tielemans or Onana (or Kamara when he's back). Be interesting to see who makes way when Bailey is back fit.
Post by: AV84 on September 19, 2024, 11:03:41 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 19, 2024, 11:31:36 PM
I agree with him and Rodri. There are far too many games being played. Especially with international football. Throw in pre season games across the globe and an expanded CL, coupled with domestic cups, the players don’t rest anymore.
Post by: Risso on September 19, 2024, 11:35:10 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 19, 2024, 11:51:43 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 19, 2024, 11:53:31 PM
Post by: Risso on September 19, 2024, 11:55:52 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 19, 2024, 11:59:33 PM
Going back to Rodri, he is definitely great and everything, but he tucks his shirt into his shorts and then wears his shorts way too high.
It's a bit of a 'special' look.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 20, 2024, 12:42:48 AM
Somebody made the point on the radio yesterday though, that the players are part of a 25 man squad. If Rodri is getting to the point where he wants to go on strike, why isn't his manager giving him more of a rest?
I agree with the broader point he’s making. Not the strike nonsense. I just feel they are burning the best players into the ground. We saw it in the Euros where many players just looked knackered after a long season. And we see it in the WC too in 2026 when the competition is even bigger. Clubs don’t want to turn down the money tied broadening their global reach. We will be a bigger part of it soon enough fucking off to all parts of the globe. The whole nations league right after the Euros is absolute stupidity.
Post by: paul_e on September 20, 2024, 09:14:04 AM
I'd withdraw teams in Europe from the league cup (but keep a european place for the winners) as a start.
I'd then remove all 2 legged ties across all competitions and remove all replays.
Then I'd look at reducing the league to 16 teams in the top 2 leagues with 3 20 team leagues below that.
That'd mean a minimum of 39 and a maximum of 48 games for a CL side which seems reasonable compared to the current situation which makes 65-70 realistic for a side like Man City who expect to compete in all 4 competitions.
Then you look at internationals where a competitive side like Spain or England will play something like 30 games over the course qualifying, friendlies and tournaments in each 2 year cycle. Currently that means some players can be pushing towards 75-80 games a season and playing competitively from early August to early July without a break.
With the club level reforms you bring that down to 50-60 at most which is still a bit too high but is better and with fewer games you could shift the calendar around to have all club football finished by mid May and then start the international tournaments earlier so the season is complete by something like June 20th to give a solid 7-8week gap before the new season starts.
Post by: VillaTim on September 20, 2024, 09:16:26 AM
Post by: paul_e on September 20, 2024, 09:19:25 AM
Should squad sizes be increased to say 35 players and by that i don't mean clubs go out and spend a lot more .
No, if anything changes around squads it should be to encourage more U21 players from the academy to be included so something like 3-4 players in the matchday 20 have to meet the club-trained criteria.
Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2024, 09:21:20 AM
Nah, I think footballers need to rise up and seize the means of production. Only in this way will they ever be truly free.
Going back to Rodri, he is definitely great and everything, but he tucks his shirt into his shorts and then wears his shorts way too high.
It's a bit of a 'special' look.
It's the kind of look that suggests he'd be comfortable enforcing a fascist state should one come into being.
Post by: Ads on September 20, 2024, 09:24:32 AM
Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2024, 09:29:35 AM
He is, he's a fantastic player. But there's an easy answer to playing too many games, and it's not organising strike action.
I'm not sure what else they can do though really, it's pretty crazy when another organisation that you're not employed by can increase your workload without consultation.
Post by: Dave on September 20, 2024, 09:37:42 AM
He is, he's a fantastic player. But there's an easy answer to playing too many games, and it's not organising strike action.
I'm not sure what else they can do though really, it's pretty crazy when another organisation that you're not employed by can increase your workload without consultation.
A suggestion I heard the other day is that they don't go on strike, but when they sign a contract all players insist on a "per season my labour will be available for 45 / 50 / 55 club matches to be chosen by the club" clause.
So if Man City or Arsenal are expecting to be in the FA Cup final or the latter stages of the Champions League then maybe they use some of their other riches at home to Ipswich and Leicester instead of running Saka and Rodri into the ground.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 20, 2024, 09:41:08 AM
Post by: Bully2345 on September 20, 2024, 09:43:04 AM
It'd be hard to see someone in League two who has mortgage and a family to pay for showing that much sympathy with an elite player on £300k per week
Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2024, 09:43:06 AM
At the same time his employers are probably happy with the extra CL games, it helps them pay his current £180k a week and his rumoured new contract offer of £375k a week. Clubs will never agree to fewer games when players are after obscene wages. It's become a vicious circle.
In thrall to mammon.
Post by: Baldy on September 20, 2024, 09:44:23 AM
If I was fringe player in the Man City squad I would be insulted by Rodri's comments and demand an apology. If Rodri needs a rest he can speak to Pep and give some other multi talented player in the squad a chance.
F***ing cry baby.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2024, 09:46:32 AM
On a wider point, I agree there's probably too many games. But the first thing that should give is European games. If the workload is too high they should be reducing the amount of Champions League Games not increasing them. And if clubs want to go and make millions on summer world tours and 'Club World Cups' they should do so at their own players risk, not by depriving Accrington Stanley of a replay that could give them a transformational payday.
I agree that at a push the leagues sizes could possibly be reduced a little, but no less than 18. Why should domestic fans of 'the other 14' miss out because the glamour clubs are galavanting around Europe and on World Tours creaming in even more money to help them continue to keep their foot on the necks of the not so lucky?
Rotate your fucking glamour squads and leave our domestic game alone, you greedy, greedy fucking bastards.
Post by: Drummond on September 20, 2024, 10:00:11 AM
The club World Cup is completely unnecessary.
FIFA want more of the pie, UEFA want more of the pie, the clubs do, the players do, National associations do.
I think it's a bit rich of players earning in excess of £100k per WEEK, to start complaining and threatening strikes, they need to talk to their clubs, and agree on how many games they'll play. They don't have to play and be available.
Historically, the Premier League had more teams, so more games, there were some internationals, and nobody complained. Part of it is that the marketing and publicity and press conferences etc has grown so much.
These players train for a couple of hours a day, and then have plenty of downtime. It's up to clubs and managers to get the workload right.
As for the club World Cup and all the internationals, nobody really cares do they?
Post by: London Villan on September 20, 2024, 10:06:52 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 20, 2024, 10:12:48 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5779549/2024/09/19/fifa-club-world-cup-broadcast-rights/
Post by: paul_e on September 20, 2024, 10:18:38 AM
There are too many internationals.
The club World Cup is completely unnecessary.
FIFA want more of the pie, UEFA want more of the pie, the clubs do, the players do, National associations do.
I think it's a bit rich of players earning in excess of £100k per WEEK, to start complaining and threatening strikes, they need to talk to their clubs, and agree on how many games they'll play. They don't have to play and be available.
Historically, the Premier League had more teams, so more games, there were some internationals, and nobody complained. Part of it is that the marketing and publicity and press conferences etc has grown so much.
These players train for a couple of hours a day, and then have plenty of downtime. It's up to clubs and managers to get the workload right.
As for the club World Cup and all the internationals, nobody really cares do they?
but that's really difficult to do. Imagine the reaction on here if the team tomorrow sees Tielemans, Konsa, Rogers, Martinez and Watkins a 'break' after a tough european match? Fans just about accept that sort of weakening of the team in domestic cups but do it in Europe or the league and people lose their shit if the team doesn't win.
I agree about the club world cup, I'd get rid of the european super cup and the charity shield as well, and I agree that there are far too many internationals and, more importantly, international windows.
This isn't about pandering to rich clubs and any loss of revenue that comes from reducing the number of games would need to be offset with better redistribution of wealth down the pyramid but, for me, what it would do is improve the quality of games and improve player welfare. I know it's easy to see footballers as pampered millionaires who only do a few hours a day in training but in comparison to most other sports they are massively overloaded (I have the same concern for Cricket by the way).
Post by: Lucky Eddie on September 20, 2024, 10:27:19 AM
Post by: VillaTim on September 20, 2024, 10:35:38 AM
That's kind of what i meant , allow bigger squad sizes not through buying more players but utilising U21/U18 resourceShould squad sizes be increased to say 35 players and by that i don't mean clubs go out and spend a lot more .
No, if anything changes around squads it should be to encourage more U21 players from the academy to be included so something like 3-4 players in the matchday 20 have to meet the club-trained criteria.
Post by: Dave on September 20, 2024, 10:37:55 AM
That's kind of what i meant , allow bigger squad sizes not through buying more players but utilising U21/U18 resourceShould squad sizes be increased to say 35 players and by that i don't mean clubs go out and spend a lot more .
No, if anything changes around squads it should be to encourage more U21 players from the academy to be included so something like 3-4 players in the matchday 20 have to meet the club-trained criteria.
As the moment you have a squad of 25 players and then you can use as many youth players on top of that as you want. How does your suggestion improve on the current situation?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 20, 2024, 10:38:01 AM
Post by: paul_e on September 20, 2024, 10:49:27 AM
That's kind of what i meant , allow bigger squad sizes not through buying more players but utilising U21/U18 resourceShould squad sizes be increased to say 35 players and by that i don't mean clubs go out and spend a lot more .
No, if anything changes around squads it should be to encourage more U21 players from the academy to be included so something like 3-4 players in the matchday 20 have to meet the club-trained criteria.
As the moment you have a squad of 25 players and then you can use as many youth players on top of that as you want. How does your suggestion improve on the current situation?
That's why I specifically mentioned the matchday 20 rather than the overall squad, it would force teams to rotate the squad more if they wanted to maintain a 25man senior squad and, by focusing on club-trained players, would stop teams (like us) from cashing in on the youth players to offset new signings.
Post by: VillaTim on September 20, 2024, 10:50:43 AM
I didn't know you could do that so as things stand i think the system is fineThat's kind of what i meant , allow bigger squad sizes not through buying more players but utilising U21/U18 resourceShould squad sizes be increased to say 35 players and by that i don't mean clubs go out and spend a lot more .
No, if anything changes around squads it should be to encourage more U21 players from the academy to be included so something like 3-4 players in the matchday 20 have to meet the club-trained criteria.
As the moment you have a squad of 25 players and then you can use as many youth players on top of that as you want. How does your suggestion improve on the current situation?
Post by: paul_e on September 20, 2024, 10:51:37 AM
Successful club have played loads of games all my time as a fan. I bet Liverpool back in the day would hit 60 a games a season at times. There's less domestic football now. Replays are ditched, even extra time in earlier rounds. Gone are the days of 3 or 4 replays. It's European competitions that have added back to it. And now the Club World Cup. But that only impacts a small number of the clubs in the professional game. Cutting more domestic games hits the smaller clubs that aren't having long cup runs or are in Europe. And that would have included us until Unai appeared.
True but also largely irrelevant. The pace of the game now is incomparable to even the early years of the premier league. Can you imagine seeing someone like Mickey Quinn or Jan Molby playing now?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 20, 2024, 10:53:24 AM
Post by: paul_e on September 20, 2024, 11:07:22 AM
Well it isn't as that was only part of what I said. I was simply pointing out with that sentence that it's not a new phenomenon that top clubs and their players play a lot of games.
No, but the pressure (physically and mentally) on the players as a result is far higher. I wasn't ignoring the rest I just think the context is different enough for it to not really matter. In much the same way L1 and L2 clubs often play 55-60 games in a season with smaller squads and much poorer facilities but you don't really hear of it as a problem at that level so often (as I mentioned though I would reduce the size of those leagues as well).
I do understand the financial arguments against reducing the amount of games for smaller sides but I'd rather see that offset by higher prize money/solidarity payments because I think in the long term the sport would benefit.
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 20, 2024, 11:18:42 AM
Can someone post the image of SJM as a kid with the Champs league ball and Tuesday night that is meant to be circulating
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 20, 2024, 11:26:47 AM
https://x.com/jmcginn7/status/1836137769405682081
Post by: Somniloquism on September 20, 2024, 11:34:56 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2024, 12:22:34 PM
This isn't about pandering to rich clubs and any loss of revenue that comes from reducing the number of games would need to be offset with better redistribution of wealth down the pyramid but, for me, what it would do is improve the quality of games and improve player welfare. I know it's easy to see footballers as pampered millionaires who only do a few hours a day in training but in comparison to most other sports they are massively overloaded (I have the same concern for Cricket by the way).
I think it is about pandering to rich clubs. They want to have their cake and eat it. They want the summer tours, the expanded Champions League, the club world cup etc. They could have pushed against the increased CL if they'd really wanted to, rejected the idea of the club world cup if they really wanted to. But they'd rather squeeze domestic fixtures because they make less money.
Post by: paul_e on September 20, 2024, 12:32:59 PM
This isn't about pandering to rich clubs and any loss of revenue that comes from reducing the number of games would need to be offset with better redistribution of wealth down the pyramid but, for me, what it would do is improve the quality of games and improve player welfare. I know it's easy to see footballers as pampered millionaires who only do a few hours a day in training but in comparison to most other sports they are massively overloaded (I have the same concern for Cricket by the way).
I think it is about pandering to rich clubs. They want to have their cake and eat it. They want the summer tours, the expanded Champions League, the club world cup etc. They could have pushed against the increased CL if they'd really wanted to, rejected the idea of the club world cup if they really wanted to. But they'd rather squeeze domestic fixtures because they make less money.
My post, with my ideas to improve the game in the long term isn't pandering to the big clubs. There are too many games being played and we need to address it and that includes, as I mentioned, doing away with pointless matches like the club world cup and I don't like the preseason tournaments.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2024, 12:38:44 PM
When Leicester and Brighton are moaning about too many games then it may be time to look at the domestic calendar. But if it's just the privileged few in the CL, well, manage your multi billion-pound squads better. Don't vote for increasing the cash cow European games. Don't go on world tours. And if it means you can't hoover up every single domestic trophy, then great.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 20, 2024, 12:40:56 PM
I agree with the general principle, but the last thing that should be cut is domestic competitions and games, particularly when they have just added 2 games to the CL. The clubs could have fought that and they did not, they lapped it up.
When Leicester and Brighton are moaning about too many games then it may be time to look at the domestic calendar. But if it's just the privileged few in the CL, well, manage your multi billion-pound squads better. Don't vote for increasing the cash cow European games. Don't go on world tours. And if it means you can't hoover up every single domestic trophy, then great.
All of this.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 20, 2024, 12:43:58 PM
Tours and CWC are ridiculous, but clubs want them so as they can pay players obscene wages. Those players then are playing too much, but don't want less money but more money. So clubs go on tours etc.
As I said earlier, it's a vicious circle now.
Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2024, 12:44:14 PM
I agree with the general principle, but the last thing that should be cut is domestic competitions and games, particularly when they have just added 2 games to the CL. The clubs could have fought that and they did not, they lapped it up.
When Leicester and Brighton are moaning about too many games then it may be time to look at the domestic calendar. But if it's just the privileged few in the CL, well, manage your multi billion-pound squads better. Don't vote for increasing the cash cow European games. Don't go on world tours. And if it means you can't hoover up every single domestic trophy, then great.
I think both things can be right at the same time, there's too much football and at the same time, stop fucking whingeing and manage your squad,.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2024, 12:49:01 PM
20/21, 21/22 and 22/23 we played 41 or 42 games, because we weren't very good. Now it's a fair chunk more as we're at the top table, fewer domestic games wouldn't have benefited us when we were crap, in fact less income would make it harder to close the gap, so it does mainly favour the 'bigger' clubs.It may be a vicious circle, but it's entirely in the hands of the wealthy clubs to break that, should they wish to. It's like moaning that you're too fat whilst ordering another supersized MacDonald's meal.
Tours and CWC are ridiculous, but clubs want them so as they can pay players obscene wages. Those players then are playing too much, but don't want less money but more money. So clubs go on tours etc.
As I said earlier, it's a vicious circle now.
Post by: Dave on September 20, 2024, 12:53:13 PM
As for the club World Cup and all the internationals, nobody really cares do they?
The Club World Cup is just FIFA wanting some of UEFA's lovely money, but international football is crucial for the game.
Unless you're the FA of one of the bigger footballing countries with massive broadcasting and sponsorship arrangements, international matches are basically where you get the money that sustains your domestic game.
Fewer internationals would definitely be a way to screw over the little guy just to benefit the richest.
Post by: Drummond on September 20, 2024, 12:59:47 PM
There are too many internationals.
The club World Cup is completely unnecessary.
FIFA want more of the pie, UEFA want more of the pie, the clubs do, the players do, National associations do.
I think it's a bit rich of players earning in excess of £100k per WEEK, to start complaining and threatening strikes, they need to talk to their clubs, and agree on how many games they'll play. They don't have to play and be available.
Historically, the Premier League had more teams, so more games, there were some internationals, and nobody complained. Part of it is that the marketing and publicity and press conferences etc has grown so much.
These players train for a couple of hours a day, and then have plenty of downtime. It's up to clubs and managers to get the workload right.
As for the club World Cup and all the internationals, nobody really cares do they?
but that's really difficult to do. Imagine the reaction on here if the team tomorrow sees Tielemans, Konsa, Rogers, Martinez and Watkins a 'break' after a tough european match? Fans just about accept that sort of weakening of the team in domestic cups but do it in Europe or the league and people lose their shit if the team doesn't win.
I agree about the club world cup, I'd get rid of the european super cup and the charity shield as well, and I agree that there are far too many internationals and, more importantly, international windows.
This isn't about pandering to rich clubs and any loss of revenue that comes from reducing the number of games would need to be offset with better redistribution of wealth down the pyramid but, for me, what it would do is improve the quality of games and improve player welfare. I know it's easy to see footballers as pampered millionaires who only do a few hours a day in training but in comparison to most other sports they are massively overloaded (I have the same concern for Cricket by the way).
It's not hard though. We have the League Cup next week, perfect time to change it a bit. We could, theoretically go with this.
Gauci
Nedeljkovic Carlos Swinkels/Mings? Maatsen
Barkley Young
Bailey Buendia Philogene
Duran
That's a rest for everyone else. The bench would look pretty good mind you!
This weekend, we could easily put Barkley, Maatsen, Bailey or Philogene and Carlos in without significantly weakening us. That's what teams should be doing, but won't, because everyone demands success without any understanding.
Post by: paul_e on September 20, 2024, 01:00:11 PM
I agree with the general principle, but the last thing that should be cut is domestic competitions and games, particularly when they have just added 2 games to the CL. The clubs could have fought that and they did not, they lapped it up.
When Leicester and Brighton are moaning about too many games then it may be time to look at the domestic calendar. But if it's just the privileged few in the CL, well, manage your multi billion-pound squads better. Don't vote for increasing the cash cow European games. Don't go on world tours. And if it means you can't hoover up every single domestic trophy, then great.
I think both things can be right at the same time, there's too much football and at the same time, stop fucking whingeing and manage your squad,.
Yep, exactly.
Whatever happens the richest clubs come out best as is already the case, but reduced games makes it more viable to go with a smaller squad and reduces the benefit of having 25 full international players as your squad.
Taking the European teams out of the league cup and leaving the Europa League as the prize improves that tournament immensely.
Making the 2nd tier smaller again reduces the impact of the relegated teams having bigger squads.
Couple it all with club trained players being required in league match day squads and you're well on the way to a more balanced system that is less dominated by huge spending.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2024, 01:16:26 PM
I don't think it does, it makes it a tin pot competition albeit with a decent prize.I agree with the general principle, but the last thing that should be cut is domestic competitions and games, particularly when they have just added 2 games to the CL. The clubs could have fought that and they did not, they lapped it up.
When Leicester and Brighton are moaning about too many games then it may be time to look at the domestic calendar. But if it's just the privileged few in the CL, well, manage your multi billion-pound squads better. Don't vote for increasing the cash cow European games. Don't go on world tours. And if it means you can't hoover up every single domestic trophy, then great.
I think both things can be right at the same time, there's too much football and at the same time, stop fucking whingeing and manage your squad,.
Yep, exactly.
Whatever happens the richest clubs come out best as is already the case, but reduced games makes it more viable to go with a smaller squad and reduces the benefit of having 25 full international players as your squad.
Taking the European teams out of the league cup and leaving the Europa League as the prize improves that tournament immensely.
Making the 2nd tier smaller again reduces the impact of the relegated teams having bigger squads.
Couple it all with club trained players being required in league match day squads and you're well on the way to a more balanced system that is less dominated by huge spending.
Leave the Euro clubs in and let them rotate their players if they see fit.
Post by: paul_e on September 20, 2024, 01:22:33 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2024, 01:26:44 PM
So you're happy for it to be a pot that gets passed around a handful of clubs who couldn't give a fuck about it until they get the semi-final?I don't like the chosen few winning all competitions, but pandering to them isn't the answer. If they are forced to manage their squads then clearly there's more chance of other clubs occasionally getting their nose in the trough.
I certainly don't think an auto-windscreens trophy for the shit 14 is the answer.
Post by: paul_e on September 20, 2024, 01:52:15 PM
So you're happy for it to be a pot that gets passed around a handful of clubs who couldn't give a fuck about it until they get the semi-final?I don't like the chosen few winning all competitions, but pandering to them isn't the answer. If they are forced to manage their squads then clearly there's more chance of other clubs occasionally getting their nose in the trough.
I certainly don't think an auto-windscreens trophy for the shit 14 is the answer.
There really isn't we have 20-30years of evidence that despite having to manage more games the same handful of teams win most of the trophies. In fact by giving a bye to teams in Europe they're already being pandered to by the current format.
Again reducing the amount of games in the domestic game would be done with the intention of improving the chances of the "shit 14" by ensuring european football is better spread, cup finals are better spread and 'moving to win trophies' is less of a motivation for players. It's all shuffling deckchairs whilst the huge financial disparities exist but it isn't pandering to teams who have used the status quo to create those disparities.
The major negative is that it means less games for fans to go to and less gate receipts, which hurts smaller clubs more but the latter at least would be better handled by fairer distribution of money anyway.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2024, 02:00:05 PM
I guess I'm just a bit angry that these clubs are getting richer and if they have their way will further devalue our domestic competitions so they can maximise their Euro trough. Personally, I'm not for it. I want the rest of football to push back and not let 6 clubs dictate. If they are getting pushback on gametime from their players then I think that's a good thing. I want their squads to be stretched and stressed. I want them to pick up injuries or their players to go on strike. I want the playing field levelled just a tiny bit so the rest can pick up a few crumbs.
And yes, if it impacts us too so be it. We've go two decent players in most positions so we can play a changed team in the League & FA cup and manage minutes in league games. Let's just get on with it, not take away Accrington's big pay day.
Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2024, 02:08:19 PM
Take away the almost locked in secondary income of the so called super clubs and they can't maintain such big squads, and then cant go and take another clubs shiny player on a whim, domestic leagues become stonger, etc.
Of couse it will never happen but it would go a long way to correcting things.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2024, 02:20:15 PM
The only really sensible solution to these 'problems' in football is to take the European competitions back to how they were as straight knockout ties.100% Lee.
Take away the almost locked in secondary income of the so called super clubs and they can't maintain such big squads, and then cant go and take another clubs shiny player on a whim, domestic leagues become stonger, etc.
Of couse it will never happen but it would go a long way to correcting things.
But now that horse has bolted the very least that should have happened was resisting the expansion of the CL & Club WC
Post by: paul_e on September 20, 2024, 02:21:51 PM
Fair enough Paul, I can see you're trying to come up with sensible solutions.
I guess I'm just a bit angry that these clubs are getting richer and if they have their way will further devalue our domestic competitions so they can maximise their Euro trough. Personally, I'm not for it. I want the rest of football to push back and not let 6 clubs dictate. If they are getting pushback on gametime from their players then I think that's a good thing. I want their squads to be stretched and stressed. I want them to pick up injuries or their players to go on strike. I want the playing field levelled just a tiny bit so the rest can pick up a few crumbs.
And yes, if it impacts us too so be it. We've go two decent players in most positions so we can play a changed team in the League & FA cup and manage minutes in league games. Let's just get on with it, not take away Accrington's big pay day.
Honestly I want to take away the NEED for big paydays more thna anything and the culture in the game right now is the same one that has made the entire sport push itself to brink.
Post by: Dave on September 20, 2024, 02:42:40 PM
The only really sensible solution to these 'problems' in football is to take the European competitions back to how they were as straight knockout ties.100% Lee.
Take away the almost locked in secondary income of the so called super clubs and they can't maintain such big squads, and then cant go and take another clubs shiny player on a whim, domestic leagues become stonger, etc.
Of couse it will never happen but it would go a long way to correcting things.
But now that horse has bolted the very least that should have happened was resisting the expansion of the CL & Club WC
I get the nostalgia, but this would make things far worse. There would no point in European competition anymore.
It would just be Man Ciy, PSG, Bayern and Real Madrid hammering Slovan Bratislava or APOEL Nicosia, while the world shrugs at which of Ludogorets or Midtjylland gets to be hammered by them in the next round. And then two matches between the same four big teams in April and May. Who is bothering to watch any of it? I can guarantee that those four teams will be every bit as capable of maintaining a big squad under this system as they are now.
I'm fully on board with "too much money in the game" but the solution isn't to make things so uninteresting that nobody wants to watch it anymore and the money leaves altogether.
Post by: OCD on September 20, 2024, 02:43:59 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 20, 2024, 03:28:09 PM
It's never going to happen as the PL clubs will never vote for it. The Sky 6 aren't going to vote for less money, neither are us or Newcastle. And the rest aren't going to vote for it to be even harder to be in and stay in the PL. And that's before their reduced income needs sorting.
Post by: Drummond on September 20, 2024, 03:40:18 PM
Where's the money coming from to make up the shortfall in games for the clubs not in Europe. If, as Paul suggests, it became a 16 team top flight with even more revenue sharing then besides gate money, corporate, sponsorship, TV etc would all be lower as they aren't going to offer the same packages for less coverage. Which means PL prize money drops. And players sure aren't going to accept less money.
It's never going to happen as the PL clubs will never vote for it. The Sky 6 aren't going to vote for less money, neither are us or Newcastle. And the rest aren't going to vote for it to be even harder to be in and stay in the PL. And that's before their reduced income needs sorting.
Less games overall, but with the potential to show the same number but a larger percentage on TV.
i.e. fewer games on Saturday at 3pm
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 20, 2024, 03:46:43 PM
Post by: paul_e on September 20, 2024, 03:47:07 PM
I know it's all unlikely but I think after a few years of things settling it would work. I do agree it would create problems though, but that's kinda the idea, to shake things up a bit and try to tip the cart.
Post by: Louzie0 on September 21, 2024, 05:51:57 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on September 21, 2024, 07:06:37 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 21, 2024, 07:15:28 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on September 21, 2024, 07:17:14 PM
Bollocks. Hamstring gone. Done for a few weeks. So sad for him now he’ll miss the massive game vs Bayern.
That's really sad, gutted for him. He's been part of our revival from the beginning.
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2024, 07:31:04 PM
Post by: achilles on September 21, 2024, 07:40:09 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 21, 2024, 07:46:07 PM
He hasn't been right this season, so hopefully a short rest will do him good.
TBH he has been playing on the wing with a defender behind him for most of it. I agree though that if we now have Bailey back we might not miss him, especially with Onana, Barkley and Tielemans playing so well in the centre.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 21, 2024, 07:54:43 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 21, 2024, 07:56:16 PM
Bollocks. Hamstring gone. Done for a few weeks. So sad for him now he’ll miss the massive game vs Bayern.
I'd imagine Celtic is the big one for him.
Post by: London Villan on September 21, 2024, 08:01:10 PM
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2024, 08:02:26 PM
Say it quietly, but he isn’t one of our best four midfielders anymore.
He isn’t one of our best four midfielders anymore.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 21, 2024, 08:04:00 PM
Say it quietly, but he isn’t one of our best four midfielders anymore.
He isn’t one of our best four midfielders anymore.
:D Beat me to it.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 21, 2024, 08:08:07 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 21, 2024, 08:12:42 PM
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2024, 08:12:45 PM
Bit of revisionism here for me. Heart and soul of the team and will be missed.
Where's the revisionism? He's still a very good player, but there comes a time when a team strengthens every year that eventually all players get overtaken. He's not as good a central midfielder as Tielemans or Onana, so with everybody fit, his position is on the right of midfield. But that also happens to be Bailey's position, who you'd want playing there against 90% of teams in the Premier League. So, still an important player, but not currently one of the best 4 in the midfield.
Post by: London Villan on September 21, 2024, 08:52:17 PM
Post by: Astnor on September 21, 2024, 09:05:32 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on September 21, 2024, 09:08:58 PM
Maybe come back after international break without playing is what he needs. Look at Palmer today for example.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 24, 2024, 02:37:26 PM
Maybe this time see him miss Ipswich, Bayern and be 14 days for Man Utd match so maybe make that or looking next game after international break away at Fulham.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 18, 2024, 03:58:06 PM
22/23 Ginny had a hamstring strain he missed 6 games was out for 34 days injured.
Maybe this time see him miss Ipswich, Bayern and be 14 days for Man Utd match so maybe make that or looking next game after international break away at Fulham.
As suspected!
And now Confirmed by El Maestro!
Ginny is back !
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on October 18, 2024, 04:08:52 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 19, 2024, 04:21:35 AM
This isn't about pandering to rich clubs and any loss of revenue that comes from reducing the number of games would need to be offset with better redistribution of wealth down the pyramid but, for me, what it would do is improve the quality of games and improve player welfare. I know it's easy to see footballers as pampered millionaires who only do a few hours a day in training but in comparison to most other sports they are massively overloaded (I have the same concern for Cricket by the way).
I think it is about pandering to rich clubs. They want to have their cake and eat it. They want the summer tours, the expanded Champions League, the club world cup etc. They could have pushed against the increased CL if they'd really wanted to, rejected the idea of the club world cup if they really wanted to. But they'd rather squeeze domestic fixtures because they make less money.
Apparently there was no consultation about the club World Cup.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 19, 2024, 08:33:54 AM
Good insight and well called out there by posters.Say it quietly, but he isn’t one of our best four midfielders anymore.
He isn’t one of our best four midfielders anymore.
:D Beat me to it.
This is why we are progressing when Emery not afraid to call out his captain
McGinn said:
"He’s [Emery] so intense, "He called me in and said ‘you were very poor against Wolves, you need to improve when you're back or you'll be out'. I thought he was having a nice chat with me!"
I believe that's fantastic Emery being so demanding, and Ginny should learn to recognise this 'intensity' since it's necessary at the elite level. The Steves Clarke, Gerrard and Bruce would probably not do this to McGinn since his basic work rate is always there, but Emery is next level at the end of the day.
Post by: OCD on October 19, 2024, 11:17:56 AM
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2024, 11:35:12 AM
He's not been at his best but I think at some point, he'll get back to his best.
I think the point is, or might be, is that even at his best, he's not one of our best midfielders. Which is good, because it means we've improved as a team, and is how it should be. It's not saying he's rubbish or anything.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 19, 2024, 11:59:51 AM
Hopefully we'll see soon Tielemans further forward at some point where he can be lethal though credit where it's due, he's adapted brilliantly to the deeper role. He's the only midfielder I'd put ahead of McGinn who has sacrificed himself for the benefit of the team.
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2024, 12:02:53 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 19, 2024, 12:04:07 PM
Strongly disagree. On his day there's no one better. His non-stop battling drives the whole team forward, it's a dirty job that without him we can look a bit pedestrian. Playing him in the middle where he can influence the game is his real strength, out wide we're only seeing 50% of his capability. I'm glad we've increased the numbers in midfield as SJM has played too much football without a proper rest over these last few years.
Hopefully we'll see soon Tielemans further forward at some point where he can be lethal though credit where it's due, he's adapted brilliantly to the deeper role. He's the only midfielder I'd put ahead of McGinn who has sacrificed himself for the benefit of the team.
Fully agree mate, and I'd also argue some of his best displays have been against the best sides, he can make very good players look like divs.
Post by: Smithy on October 23, 2024, 01:03:58 PM
He's a very good player, but Kamara is a better defensive midfielder, Tielemans is a better attacking midfielder, and Bailey is a better wide midfielder. At his best, McGinn has got a lot of strengths like the ability to drive forwards and retain possession, but with everybody at their best, I can't see where he gets in the team. And McGinn has been miles off his best.
I agree with most of this. When he signed, my Hibs supporting mate sent me a message (probably still on this thread near the beginning) basically saying he won't be the best goal-scoring midfielder in the league, or the best chance creator, or set piece taker, or defensive midfielder, but he'll likely be the best at being able to do all of those things when needed. And I think that's where we are now. We have very good specialists in all positions who are better than SJM at their respective 'jobs', but when it comes to a midfielder who can do all of those things to a competent standard, he's probably the best we have - which is invaluable in today's squad game.
He might no longer be an automatic first-choice, but he'll still play plenty (for the next year or so at least).
Post by: DrGonzo on October 23, 2024, 01:12:12 PM
He's a fantastic asset, his ability to break up play and hold the ball with his ass to goal isn't betterd by anyone else at the club. His attitude and energy are missed when he's unavailable, the UTD bore draw being a case in point. That's the sort of game that he would have been smashing into tackles and screaming at his team.
Post by: LeeB on October 23, 2024, 01:42:12 PM
He's a very good player, but Kamara is a better defensive midfielder, Tielemans is a better attacking midfielder, and Bailey is a better wide midfielder. At his best, McGinn has got a lot of strengths like the ability to drive forwards and retain possession, but with everybody at their best, I can't see where he gets in the team. And McGinn has been miles off his best.
I agree with most of this. When he signed, my Hibs supporting mate sent me a message (probably still on this thread near the beginning) basically saying he won't be the best goal-scoring midfielder in the league, or the best chance creator, or set piece taker, or defensive midfielder, but he'll likely be the best at being able to do all of those things when needed. And I think that's where we are now. We have very good specialists in all positions who are better than SJM at their respective 'jobs', but when it comes to a midfielder who can do all of those things to a competent standard, he's probably the best we have - which is invaluable in today's squad game.
He might no longer be an automatic first-choice, but he'll still play plenty (for the next year or so at least).
I think he's still first choice personally, he's 1st disciple of Unai as well.
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 23, 2024, 01:53:28 PM
Same, he adds to the team by being on the pitch. He is still the heartbeat and when it comes to the really big games he will start.He's a very good player, but Kamara is a better defensive midfielder, Tielemans is a better attacking midfielder, and Bailey is a better wide midfielder. At his best, McGinn has got a lot of strengths like the ability to drive forwards and retain possession, but with everybody at their best, I can't see where he gets in the team. And McGinn has been miles off his best.
I agree with most of this. When he signed, my Hibs supporting mate sent me a message (probably still on this thread near the beginning) basically saying he won't be the best goal-scoring midfielder in the league, or the best chance creator, or set piece taker, or defensive midfielder, but he'll likely be the best at being able to do all of those things when needed. And I think that's where we are now. We have very good specialists in all positions who are better than SJM at their respective 'jobs', but when it comes to a midfielder who can do all of those things to a competent standard, he's probably the best we have - which is invaluable in today's squad game.
He might no longer be an automatic first-choice, but he'll still play plenty (for the next year or so at least).
I think he's still first choice personally, he's 1st disciple of Unai as well.
Post by: Smithy on October 23, 2024, 03:12:40 PM
Same, he adds to the team by being on the pitch. He is still the heartbeat and when it comes to the really big games he will start.He's a very good player, but Kamara is a better defensive midfielder, Tielemans is a better attacking midfielder, and Bailey is a better wide midfielder. At his best, McGinn has got a lot of strengths like the ability to drive forwards and retain possession, but with everybody at their best, I can't see where he gets in the team. And McGinn has been miles off his best.
I agree with most of this. When he signed, my Hibs supporting mate sent me a message (probably still on this thread near the beginning) basically saying he won't be the best goal-scoring midfielder in the league, or the best chance creator, or set piece taker, or defensive midfielder, but he'll likely be the best at being able to do all of those things when needed. And I think that's where we are now. We have very good specialists in all positions who are better than SJM at their respective 'jobs', but when it comes to a midfielder who can do all of those things to a competent standard, he's probably the best we have - which is invaluable in today's squad game.
He might no longer be an automatic first-choice, but he'll still play plenty (for the next year or so at least).
I think he's still first choice personally, he's 1st disciple of Unai as well.
He's still very good, obviously, but I think in terms of genuine "first choices" now, given the squad strength, there are probably only a small handful that qualify. And by that, I mean players who, if fit, are simply much better than the alternatives in their position. And that's probably Big Emi, Pau, Youri, Rogers and maybe Watkins (less so for him now with Duran's emergence). I don't think SJM fits into that group, unfortunately. He's now part of the competition for a midfield birth - which is a great position to be in.
The way you improve as a team is by recruitment/coaching which turns your automatic starters into squad players.
Post by: UK Redsox on October 23, 2024, 05:27:38 PM
Post by: Mister E on October 23, 2024, 06:23:12 PM
Regarding his selection going forward, like all players, he will be deployed for those games where Emery sees him as the best option; there are very few must-pick players (Emi, Konsa, Rogers, Tielemans, Watkins and Torres appear to be them).
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 23, 2024, 06:25:27 PM
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2024, 06:27:52 PM
We are at our best when we are pressing like fuck. Doing that all the time is exhausting, especially when you are playing weekend-midweek for weeks at a time. I think we will see more rotation, both in terms of starting XIs and players being replaced after an hour or even earlier. We have the best squad we have ever had and you can make five subs now, we can use that to our advantage. McGinn might not play every minute any more, but he'll be a huge part of things, as usual.
And while the bench is stong at the moment, it's not that long since we were back to two goalies and a load of kids as subs.
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 23, 2024, 10:06:23 PM
With all things being equal, everyone being fit and on form, if we had a massive game coming up, a domestic cup semi final or final or likewise in the champions league, I would bet my house Emery would start McGinn in those games ahead of say Ramsey or Onana if Kamara was fit.
Post by: rooboy316 on October 24, 2024, 04:34:17 AM
Post by: Tayls_7 on October 24, 2024, 07:47:29 AM
I love him. That is all.
Well said. Same.
Post by: Hopadop on October 24, 2024, 12:29:04 PM
He's a very good player, but Kamara is a better defensive midfielder, Tielemans is a better attacking midfielder, and Bailey is a better wide midfielder. At his best, McGinn has got a lot of strengths like the ability to drive forwards and retain possession, but with everybody at their best, I can't see where he gets in the team. And McGinn has been miles off his best.
I agree with most of this. When he signed, my Hibs supporting mate sent me a message (probably still on this thread near the beginning) basically saying he won't be the best goal-scoring midfielder in the league, or the best chance creator, or set piece taker, or defensive midfielder, but he'll likely be the best at being able to do all of those things when needed. And I think that's where we are now. We have very good specialists in all positions who are better than SJM at their respective 'jobs', but when it comes to a midfielder who can do all of those things to a competent standard, he's probably the best we have - which is invaluable in today's squad game.
He might no longer be an automatic first-choice, but he'll still play plenty (for the next year or so at least).
He's the Skoda Yeti of footballers.
And I mean that as a compliment, Lynn.
Post by: LeeB on October 24, 2024, 02:21:41 PM
Squat, powerful, and your mom would like him.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 24, 2024, 03:47:59 PM
An air fryer of a player.
Squat, powerful, and your mom would like him.
And much easier to clean than an oven.
Post by: Clampy on October 24, 2024, 03:52:14 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 24, 2024, 04:14:53 PM
He dropped a cryptic "next two and a half years" comment in his post match interview. Is that the length of his contract or a realistic expectation of how long he can perform at this level?
His contract ends in summer 2027 and he'll be 32.
His attitude and energy are missed when he's unavailable, the UTD bore draw being a case in point. That's the sort of game that he would have been smashing into tackles and screaming at his team.
Excellent point. Hangover or no hangover from the Bayern game, had we SJM against Man U we'd be two points better off. As I said earlier, without him we can look a bit pedestrian.
Post by: SaddVillan on October 25, 2024, 10:53:08 PM
WHY 'SUPER JOHN MCGINN MADE ME EAT HUMBLE PIE.
Three years ago, I suggested how Villa could never achieve European qualification with the Scot as an important cog – how wrong I was
First, an admission. It is almost three years to the day that this reporter posted a message on social media claiming that Aston Villa may never reach their target of qualifying for Europe until John McGinn was the club’s “third or fourth best midfielder”.
Watching McGinn score his first-ever Champions League goal at Villa Park in a 2-0 win over Bologna over Tuesday night brought memories of that message flooding back.
It may not have been entirely wrong, given the prominence of midfielders such as Boubacar Kamara, Douglas Luiz (now of Juventus), Jacob Ramsey, Youri Tielemans and summer signing Amadou Onana during the Unai Emery era.
But McGinn has proved to be every bit as important as some of Villa’s flashier stars under Emery and it is time to publicly eat some humble pie over a message that serves as a personal reminder of just how quickly things can change in football.
Nobody better personifies Villa’s journey to the top of the Champions League table – however brief it may prove to be –than ‘Super John McGinn’, who may well go down as one of the club’s best-value signings after joining for just £2 million in the summer of 2018.
From flying cabbages in the Championship to topping the Champions League table, McGinn has seen the lot at Villa Park.
Steve Bruce rates the signing as his best recruitment call, but it was a couple of months after his move that McGinn was part of a Villa side that drew 3-3 with Preston North End, prompting a fan to throw a cabbage at the club’s former manager.
Villa were 12th in the Championship at the time, with one win in 10 games, and McGinn must have wondered what he had walked into. Only a couple of weeks earlier, the midfielder had netted his first-ever goal for the club – a volley he will probably never better – in a 2-1 home defeat to Sheffield Wednesday.
Surviving a flying cabbage proved to be Bruce’s last act as Villa manager, as he was replaced by Dean Smith and McGinn scored the club’s second goal in the Championship play-off final win over Derby County that secured an unlikely promotion to the Premier League at the end of his first season at the club.
McGinn netted Villa’s first goal back in the Premier League, in an opening-day defeat to Tottenham Hotspur in 2019, and played in the final-day draw at West Ham United that clinched survival.
The following season, the Scotland international was one of the goalscorers in the remarkable 7-2 thrashing of Liverpool. But Villa started the 2021/22 campaign badly and it was after a 4-1 home defeat to West Ham United on October 31, 2021, that this reporter lost faith and posted the aforementioned social media message.
Less than a month later, McGinn scored in Steven Gerrard’s second game in charge of Villa – a 2-1 win over Crystal Palace – but that proved to be as good as it got for him under the Liverpool legend, despite being made club captain.
When Gerrard was sacked, McGinn was dropped by caretaker manager Aaron Danks in October 2022 and did not start Emery’s first game in charge against Manchester United. By his own admission, the 30-year-old thought he was “done” at Villa.
Fast-forward two years, however, and McGinn’s renaissance has matched Villa’s. He was instrumental in the unlikely qualification for the Europa Conference League at the end of Emery’s first season in charge and last October McGinn scored his first-ever European goal by heading a late winner against Zrinjski Mostar.
That was enough to underline McGinn’s influence and yet, just over a year later, he has now gone one better by becoming a Champions League goalscorer for Villa. Is he the fourth, third, second or best midfielder at the club? Frankly, who cares. He is ‘Super John McGinn’ and that is all that really matters.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 03, 2024, 09:48:33 PM
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Post by: BC Villain on November 03, 2024, 10:15:07 PM
"We've got to keep our heads a wee bit in there and have some perspective. Many teams will come here and suffer that defeat. It got loud. Probably as loud as I've heard it as an away player."
Post by: Demitri_C on November 03, 2024, 10:18:15 PM
Not so sure I want to hear the club captain making public comments like this. Smacks of a losers mentality.
"We've got to keep our heads a wee bit in there and have some perspective. Many teams will come here and suffer that defeat. It got loud. Probably as loud as I've heard it as an away player."
Yeah come.on john you played at spurs for years now you know what its about. We also played away at worse places last season like olympiakos. Losing 4-1 is not acceptable in any circumstances with this group of players at our disposal
Also sounds like he has accepted we are inferior to spurs. We are not if we start believing that we will finish below them.
Post by: Monty on November 03, 2024, 10:21:42 PM
Not so sure I want to hear the club captain making public comments like this. Smacks of a losers mentality.
"We've got to keep our heads a wee bit in there and have some perspective. Many teams will come here and suffer that defeat. It got loud. Probably as loud as I've heard it as an away player."
I appreciate that he's trying to look on the bright side, stay positive etc, but if that consists of 'well look, we're worse than them' then that's a pretty bleak bright side.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 03, 2024, 10:24:48 PM
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Post by: AV82EC on November 03, 2024, 11:25:51 PM
I didn’t think he was as bad as many are making out, he offered great cover to Cash in the first half, Son never had a kick. For the first 20 minutes he was using his body (arse) well and was turning and carrying the ball. There were a few times and one in particular where the ref put the whistle to his mouth for a foul after he was tackled but let it go, after that he never got a decision. He played to offer that defensive stability against Son and Odogie who also bombs forward.
The biggest change right from the start of the second half was Udogie playing much further forward and using his athleticism to stretch McGinn and get him running towards his own goal. It worked.
Post by: Beard82 on November 03, 2024, 11:28:45 PM
I didn’t think he was as bad as many are making out, he offered great cover to Cash in the first half, Son never had a kick. For the first 20 minutes he was using his body (arse) well and was turning and carrying the ball. There were a few times and one in particular where the ref put the whistle to his mouth for a foul after he was tackled but let it go, after that he never got a decision. He played to offer that defensive stability against Son and Odogie who also bombs forward.Id agree with this - he was a long way from being our biggest issues today. First half - I thought he was good, very solid . Second half nothing worked for anyone.
Post by: eamonn on November 03, 2024, 11:34:29 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 04, 2024, 06:22:04 AM
Did McGinn play in Greece? Spurs are a library compared to Olympiakos. C'mon John - between that and your arse-move not working today, you've had a mare, lad.
Add in legia, AZ and lille too!
But talking about noise. Come off it john you played in noiser derbies vs blose too.
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Post by: Mister E on November 04, 2024, 05:01:29 PM
Im abit concened how below par he has been in recent games. Think he needs ro play mcginn more central . He doesnt seem very good in this position unais adopted him todayScotland play him as a RMF, cutting in with the ball and covering his RB without it.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 04, 2024, 09:21:34 PM
Feel a bit sorry for JM, always being used to fill a hole, yesterday he was played as a defensive winger.
I suspect Emery wants SJM’s personality in the team.
He’s not a RW/RM because he can only cut inside. Compounded because we also have the same on the left with Ramsey., The opposition can rest safe that as soon as we get the ball wide we will never put the after-burners on and attack the byline. That makes defending against us too easy.
It’s why I’d select Maatsen, we need a player that wants to attack behind the lines and stretch their defence.
Post by: Monty on November 04, 2024, 09:22:52 PM
Post by: john e on November 04, 2024, 09:25:11 PM
Our midfield was Kamara- Luiz- McGinn this has never been bettered as yet by any other combination, that midfield trio was absolute class and probably the best for me since Mortimer- Cowans- Bremner
With Kamara coming back 2 of those players are still here so hopefully we’ll find some combinations that are just as effective
Post by: brontebilly on November 04, 2024, 09:44:35 PM
He played his absolute best stuff coming off the right, and a lot of his worst stuff last season came back in the centre. It's not the position, he's just out of form.
Agreed most of his best performances for Villa have come in that position. Wasn't it Dan Burn he 'burned' one day in particular at Villa Park. On Sunday, Cash was obviously under instructions to hold his position and McGinn does need an overlapping full back to be at his best coming in. I didn't think he was that bad anyway but should have got tighter to Son for the cross.
We still have very little cover for McGinn and Ramsey in that formation. Bailey did great last season obviously and will hopefully come into form again. But think we are light there.
Post by: Beard82 on November 04, 2024, 10:00:37 PM
Post by: London Villan on November 05, 2024, 08:31:23 AM
He just looks a yard off the pace at the moment. Age or more likely the amount of football he has played in the last couple of years is having an impact.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 18, 2024, 07:02:43 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on November 18, 2024, 07:11:43 PM
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John McGinn becomes the tied-second most capped international player while playing for Aston Villa
69 - Olof Mellberg 🇸🇪
64 - Steve Staunton 🇮🇪
64 - John McGinn 🏴🆕
Post by: eamonn on November 18, 2024, 07:59:35 PM
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Post by: SaddVillan on November 20, 2024, 07:31:29 PM
Caps Goals
Denis Law 55 30
Kenny Daglish 102 30
Hughie Galllagher 20 23
Lawrie Reilly 38 22
Meatball 73 20
Everybody above McGinn played as a striker.
Makes McGinn’s 20 from midfield positions all the more impressive.
102
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 20, 2024, 07:33:36 PM
ALL TIME TOP SCOTTISH GOALSCORERS
Caps Goals
Denis Law 55 30
Kenny Daglish 102 30
Hughie Galllagher 20 23
Lawrie Reilly 38 22
Meatball 73 20
Everybody above McGinn played as a striker.
Makes McGinn’s 20 from midfield positions all the more impressive.
102
I thought King Kenny was supposed to be good, his goals to game ratio is crap!!
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 20, 2024, 10:20:00 PM
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Post by: Dave on November 22, 2024, 11:10:24 AM
You would think he would score more goals for us then.
I reckon that if we played him behind the striker and gave him games against San Marino, Faroe Islands, Kazakhstan and Cyprus (ten of his goals in that little lot) then he probably would.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 26, 2024, 07:02:46 AM
I think he will end up at celtic in next couple seasons as thats only way they could afford him
Post by: SaddVillan on December 09, 2024, 05:30:20 PM
UNAI EMERY RELIES ON 'SUPER' JOHN McGINN - HE'S INTEGRAL TO EVERYTHING ASTON VILLA DO
Unai Emery finished his press conference with a flourish.
To round off proceedings, The Athletic asked how John McGinn could become, as he loves to call him, “Super John McGinn” again.
“Hopefully, we can watch Super John McGinn,” Emery said, flashing a smile. “Over the international break, he scored two goals for Scotland. Now we want his goals here. John is an amazing person, as a player and as a professional. But we are always speaking about how football is passing (by) so quickly and the level we want to get and keep is high. John is following our message but knows he started this season in less form than last year.
“He is a very important player for us. His versatility and characteristics are very important.”
McGinn is often the bellwether for Aston Villa. At his best, hunched over and chest to the floor, he drives and presses the team upfield, cajoling the crowd with him. When he’s struggling — namely with his precision on the ball — Villa do not seem to possess the same thrust.
Emery intrinsically knows this. Following Villa’s victory against Bournemouth in April — in hindsight, the key result that secured Champions League qualification — McGinn was stood outside the changing room, talking to journalists. Emery, on his way to his post-match press conference, walked behind McGinn and slapped his back.
“Super John McGinn!” said Emery. “He’s not always, but he was today!”
Villa’s manager and captain have developed a close but frank relationship. It is an alliance founded upon honesty, mutual respect and tough love. Before Emery had arrived, McGinn was among a considerable group of players toiling for form and appeared directionless. It reached a stage where the Scotland international was open to a transfer and West Ham were interested.
In their first meeting, Emery asked McGinn what his favourite position was. “Not on the bench,” he replied.
When McGinn was recovering from a hamstring injury in October, Emery called him into his office. The 30-year-old thought his manager was wishing to provide reassurance at first.
“You were very poor against Wolves (the previous game he played in),” said Emery. “You need to improve when you’re back, or you’ll be out”.
Emery always dangles a carrot in front of McGinn’s nose, unrelenting in driving standards. Even when journalists relayed McGinn’s ostensibly kind words about him, the Spaniard pushed back.
McGinn explained that Emery was “one of our club’s greatest managers” and hoped he “never leaves”. Emery’s retort to such warm appraisal was to “push him more” in training because, in his mind, the “good words” of players suggest underlying signs of complacency.
Emery’s appetite for “Super John McGinn” is insatiable. It drives the Scotland international to the point that, on his 30th birthday, he gave his cake to journalists, knowing there could be no let up in diet or discipline.
“He’s a very good man and a very good player,” said Emery. “But he has to improve his start this year. When we are watching Super John McGinn in the stadium, we are happy, but not always and this is my objective. Every day he has to try to get it.”
McGinn is an earnest character and, more often than not, is good value when talking publicly. There are no airs or graces to him. He gets changed quickly after games, puts on his small backpack and wears shorts, regardless of the weather.
His honesty resonates, arguably none more so than the last time Southampton turned up to Villa Park in 2022. After Villa’s 1-0 victory — serving as a stay of execution for Steven Gerrard — McGinn said, such was the dreariness of the display, that if he had been watching on television, he would have turned the game off.
Although the same fixture was slightly better two years on, he would have at least considered changing channels. Villa won by the same scoreline, and until Ollie Watkins and McGinn himself missed a cluster of chances towards the end, carried the same drift in their performance. “Wet and miserable and three points,” was McGinn’s appropriate evaluation.
In fairness, there were extenuating factors. Storm Darragh and the resulting conditions meant both teams struggled for rhythm. The wind howled and the flags above the Doug Ellis Stand flapped furiously.
How Villa pressed Southampton was critical to Emery. For all of Southampton’s deep and several flaws, they can play through teams and frequently get into good areas.
Emery was clearly cautious of this, with McGinn the trigger of knowing when to press and when for Villa to stay in a 4-4-2 mid-block out of possession. Triggers to press include when the ball is passed backwards, a heavy touch or a miscued pass. If the captain sprinted to close the ball down, team-mates would follow.
Villa’s analysts watched Southampton and knew their propensity to concede cheap goals and give the ball away in key areas. McGinn dovetailed Jhon Duran’s battering ram tendencies and, as what transpired with his goal, Villa pounced on a Southampton mistake.
As Emery alludes to, McGinn’s productivity in forward areas has been inconsistent, but the tangible aspects of what he brings remain instrumental. On a generally timid afternoon, he jolted into tackles. Each time, Villa Park responded by singing his name.
He organised and instructed behind the ball from every free kick, on hand to defend nascent counter-attacks, which has recently proven Villa’s kryptonite. His sweeping diagonal pass that led to a Watkins chance was one of the few pockets of quality from either side.
McGinn earned a hug from director of football operations Damian Vidagany at full time. He was the last player off the pitch but sprinted from the halfway line towards the tunnel. His energy is endless and so too is his commitment to the cause.
For however long he and Emery work together, there will always be a quest for “Super John McGinn”.
Post by: stevo_st on December 11, 2024, 06:10:59 AM
Post by: LeonW on December 11, 2024, 06:43:43 AM
Thought he was great last night, seemed to have a bit more zip in his play. And lovely bit of late movement to get his goal, made it look so simple the way he lost his man.
He really was. Really impressive performance.
Post by: OCD on December 11, 2024, 11:07:36 AM
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Post by: Olneythelonely on December 11, 2024, 04:23:04 PM
It looks like the comments about SJM putting on weight can be safely disregarded.
(https://i.ibb.co/GkK3q79/IMG-3201.png) (https://ibb.co/GkK3q79)
Bouba disagrees.
Post by: SaddVillan on December 25, 2024, 10:00:42 AM
Top class - he really is more than the happy go lucky character we all see him as.
Post by: Bostongbboy on December 25, 2024, 12:09:35 PM
John McGinn takes the match ball and goes to centre circle and plays pass ball with some of the mascots from both sides. As you say, more to the man than football, quality person
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 04, 2025, 06:01:14 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 04, 2025, 06:03:19 PM
Unai just said McGinn has done his hamstring and could be out for 3/4/5 weeks
That's a real shame, and he'll be gutted to miss the Celtic game.
Post by: SaddVillan on January 04, 2025, 06:05:46 PM
The physios/medics/fitness team need to take a really good look at themselves.
Post by: LeeB on January 04, 2025, 06:09:06 PM
What is it with Villa and hamstrings?
The physios/medics/fitness team need to take a really good look at themselves.
I blame the parents.
Post by: paul_e on January 04, 2025, 06:13:39 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 04, 2025, 06:23:12 PM
We need reinforcements this window even if it's a few short term loans
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 04, 2025, 06:27:11 PM
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Post by: SaddVillan on January 04, 2025, 07:47:59 PM
John McGinn suffered a hamstring injury and could be unavailable for several weeks, Aston Villa head coach Unai Emery has said.
The Villa captain sustained the muscular injury in the 19th minute of Aston Villa’s 2-1 victory against Leicester City. Jacob Ramsey, who was out of action for two months also with a hamstring issue, replaced McGinn.
It is the 30-year-old’s second hamstring injury of the season, having limped off in September’s home game against Wolverhampton Wanderers.
Villa have suffered broadly with hamstring injuries this term, with Leon Bailey, Matty Cash, Boubacar Kamara and Emiliano Martinez also spending time on the sidelines.
6 hamstrings so far. WTF's going on?
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 04, 2025, 07:51:21 PM
From The Athletic
John McGinn suffered a hamstring injury and could be unavailable for several weeks, Aston Villa head coach Unai Emery has said.
The Villa captain sustained the muscular injury in the 19th minute of Aston Villa’s 2-1 victory against Leicester City. Jacob Ramsey, who was out of action for two months also with a hamstring issue, replaced McGinn.
It is the 30-year-old’s second hamstring injury of the season, having limped off in September’s home game against Wolverhampton Wanderers.
Villa have suffered broadly with hamstring injuries this term, with Leon Bailey, Matty Cash, Boubacar Kamara and Emiliano Martinez also spending time on the sidelines.
6 hamstrings so far. WTF's going on?
The result of too much football.
Post by: SaddVillan on January 04, 2025, 07:52:18 PM
John McGinn suffered a hamstring injury and could be unavailable for several weeks, Aston Villa head coach Unai Emery has said.
The Villa captain sustained the muscular injury in the 19th minute of Aston Villa’s 2-1 victory against Leicester City. Jacob Ramsey, who was out of action for two months also with a hamstring issue, replaced McGinn.
It is the 30-year-old’s second hamstring injury of the season, having limped off in September’s home game against Wolverhampton Wanderers.
Villa have suffered broadly with hamstring injuries this term, with Leon Bailey, Matty Cash, Boubacar Kamara and Emiliano Martinez also spending time on the sidelines.
6 hamstrings so far. WTF's going on?
Post by: Somniloquism on January 04, 2025, 07:55:13 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 04, 2025, 10:03:15 PM
From The Athletic
John McGinn suffered a hamstring injury and could be unavailable for several weeks, Aston Villa head coach Unai Emery has said.
The Villa captain sustained the muscular injury in the 19th minute of Aston Villa’s 2-1 victory against Leicester City. Jacob Ramsey, who was out of action for two months also with a hamstring issue, replaced McGinn.
It is the 30-year-old’s second hamstring injury of the season, having limped off in September’s home game against Wolverhampton Wanderers.
Villa have suffered broadly with hamstring injuries this term, with Leon Bailey, Matty Cash, Boubacar Kamara and Emiliano Martinez also spending time on the sidelines.
6 hamstrings so far. WTF's going on?
Not sure whats happening as we are not playing like spurs so we shouldnt be picking up so many hamstring injuries
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 04, 2025, 10:11:05 PM
From The Athletic
John McGinn suffered a hamstring injury and could be unavailable for several weeks, Aston Villa head coach Unai Emery has said.
The Villa captain sustained the muscular injury in the 19th minute of Aston Villa’s 2-1 victory against Leicester City. Jacob Ramsey, who was out of action for two months also with a hamstring issue, replaced McGinn.
It is the 30-year-old’s second hamstring injury of the season, having limped off in September’s home game against Wolverhampton Wanderers.
Villa have suffered broadly with hamstring injuries this term, with Leon Bailey, Matty Cash, Boubacar Kamara and Emiliano Martinez also spending time on the sidelines.
6 hamstrings so far. WTF's going on?
Post by: ez on January 04, 2025, 11:17:06 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on January 04, 2025, 11:58:40 PM
This is an article from the BM explaining the increase in hamstring injuries amongst professional footballers since 2001.
I think it’s interesting that this increase in frequency has been noticed and measured.
Although they state that the study was not set up to explain it there were two hypotheses emerging to account for the increase ( the number of injuries had doubled over the period studied).
The authors indicate
*a faster more intense game compared with pre 2000, and,
*more matches packed into weeks/months ( Euro or international tournaments) leading inevitably to shorter recovery/training time before fixtures.
18%+ are recurrent injuries, like our doughty captain’s latest injury, following one in September earlier this season.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 05, 2025, 12:04:17 AM
Unlikely to see him thus month which is a big problem.
Post by: Louzie0 on January 05, 2025, 12:17:20 AM
Perhaps bigger squads would help to spread the load, especially on international duty.
Time for the FA and PL etc to rethink the rules re clubs and extend the numbers allowed?
And another good reason to ditch the club World Cup!
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 05, 2025, 06:31:38 AM
Yes, CL, I was interested in the ‘cluster’ of such injuries at Villa cited in The Athletic. I wondered if it reflected on the training regime or medical support specifically at the Villa (re some comments in here earlier) and it seems not; the study does bear out what you and others of us in here have suspected.Agree, at some point the PFA are going to need to bare their teeth to protect player welfare to reduce the number and concentration of games. My guess is that the authorities will just keep extending squad sizes which is in my view the wrong answer.
Perhaps bigger squads would help to spread the load, especially on international duty.
Time for the FA and PL etc to rethink the rules re clubs and extend the numbers allowed?
And another good reason to ditch the club World Cup!
Post by: Chris Smith on January 05, 2025, 08:33:51 AM
It and many other injuries are a symptom of the number and concentration of games being played.
Unlikely to see him thus month which is a big problem.
This is why there needs to be a little more understanding when the manager takes the opportunity to rest players.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 05, 2025, 09:13:53 AM
Yes, CL, I was interested in the ‘cluster’ of such injuries at Villa cited in The Athletic. I wondered if it reflected on the training regime or medical support specifically at the Villa (re some comments in here earlier) and it seems not; the study does bear out what you and others of us in here have suspected.Agree, at some point the PFA are going to need to bare their teeth to protect player welfare to reduce the number and concentration of games. My guess is that the authorities will just keep extending squad sizes which is in my view the wrong answer.
Perhaps bigger squads would help to spread the load, especially on international duty.
Time for the FA and PL etc to rethink the rules re clubs and extend the numbers allowed?
And another good reason to ditch the club World Cup!
I agree but it needs to be something at a global level given the added congestion is largely at that level (expanded national comps, club wc etc) but that won’t happen because it’s the same global bodies doing the expanding!
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 05, 2025, 10:18:02 AM
I believe that the various players associations have threatened FIFA, it is the only language they understand.Yes, CL, I was interested in the ‘cluster’ of such injuries at Villa cited in The Athletic. I wondered if it reflected on the training regime or medical support specifically at the Villa (re some comments in here earlier) and it seems not; the study does bear out what you and others of us in here have suspected.Agree, at some point the PFA are going to need to bare their teeth to protect player welfare to reduce the number and concentration of games. My guess is that the authorities will just keep extending squad sizes which is in my view the wrong answer.
Perhaps bigger squads would help to spread the load, especially on international duty.
Time for the FA and PL etc to rethink the rules re clubs and extend the numbers allowed?
And another good reason to ditch the club World Cup!
I agree but it needs to be something at a global level given the added congestion is largely at that level (expanded national comps, club wc etc) but that won’t happen because it’s the same global bodies doing the expanding!
Post by: eye digress on January 05, 2025, 10:51:33 AM
Or has he been starting largely as captain during a choppy period of form?
Post by: AV82EC on January 05, 2025, 12:22:14 PM
An unlucky break for SJM, but how badly will he be missed from the starting XI?
Or has he been starting largely as captain during a choppy period of form?
An on form Bailey this year and he wouldn’t have been getting in the team. Let’s see how this pans out. He’s a very good player, a tenacious fucker with an arse bigger than the moon and is great at delivering what Unai wants from the position he’s picked in BUT in a top quality CL team I think he’s a squad player the likes of which could ably support any number of positions from the bench. However I said this when Unai arrived and we said he couldn’t make the next step and he has so what do I know.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 05, 2025, 04:26:20 PM
He can and does play in various positions fulfilling different roles for different circumstances.
He brings energy, intensity and skill to the team. Pretty sure Emery appreciates his versatility.
He is also the one player that doesn’t mind the physical stuff, the rest of our midfield and attackers are a bit too passive.
Post by: Rudy65 on January 05, 2025, 05:14:21 PM
From The Athletic
John McGinn suffered a hamstring injury and could be unavailable for several weeks, Aston Villa head coach Unai Emery has said.
The Villa captain sustained the muscular injury in the 19th minute of Aston Villa’s 2-1 victory against Leicester City. Jacob Ramsey, who was out of action for two months also with a hamstring issue, replaced McGinn.
It is the 30-year-old’s second hamstring injury of the season, having limped off in September’s home game against Wolverhampton Wanderers.
Villa have suffered broadly with hamstring injuries this term, with Leon Bailey, Matty Cash, Boubacar Kamara and Emiliano Martinez also spending time on the sidelines.
6 hamstrings so far. WTF's going on?
Was only talking about this st the match yesterday. Big issue for all teams. Sakha, Forfana, De Bryne etc out for lengthy periods
Post by: olaftab on January 05, 2025, 05:40:31 PM
Post by: darren woolley on January 05, 2025, 05:46:08 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 05, 2025, 07:47:25 PM
I believe its lack of ham served in players brekkie and lunch or BMH.
We need more gammon at BMH?
Post by: Tuscans on January 06, 2025, 11:42:36 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 06, 2025, 02:19:31 PM
Yes, CL, I was interested in the ‘cluster’ of such injuries at Villa cited in The Athletic. I wondered if it reflected on the training regime or medical support specifically at the Villa (re some comments in here earlier) and it seems not; the study does bear out what you and others of us in here have suspected.Agree, at some point the PFA are going to need to bare their teeth to protect player welfare to reduce the number and concentration of games. My guess is that the authorities will just keep extending squad sizes which is in my view the wrong answer.
Perhaps bigger squads would help to spread the load, especially on international duty.
Time for the FA and PL etc to rethink the rules re clubs and extend the numbers allowed?
And another good reason to ditch the club World Cup!
FIFA are the problem IMO.
Post by: Tuscans on January 11, 2025, 10:57:03 PM
"The face when you model a kit you will never get to wear"
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhC_1WaXsAAMyDG?format=jpg&name=large)
Post by: eamonn on January 11, 2025, 11:29:15 PM
Post by: jwarry on January 14, 2025, 02:41:01 PM
Post by: usav on January 14, 2025, 03:11:23 PM
Unai said he might be ready in a week so not as bad as first feared
To be honest, I didn't expect anything different. 2-3 weeks for a hamstring is par for the course.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 14, 2025, 03:22:38 PM
Unai said he might be ready in a week so not as bad as first feared
To be honest, I didn't expect anything different. 2-3 weeks for a hamstring is par for the course.
2-3 weeks would be a very minor tweak. Mcginn's looked a little more serious but not like Saka or Fullkrug's, which will bother be at least a couple of months minimum. i'd have thought 4 weeks
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2025, 03:26:04 PM
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Post by: tomd2103 on February 09, 2025, 11:19:58 PM
My man of the match today. Superb.
Yeah had a great game.
Post by: brontebilly on February 09, 2025, 11:23:30 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 10, 2025, 12:03:36 AM
One of his best games for the club. Fulham at home last season stands out but today matched it. He kicked everything that moved. In build up to our second he won a crucial 50/50 that got us playing.
McGinn central is still underrated. I think because he's played so much out wide in last two years people think that's the only role he can do now but he showed end of last season for Arsenal away he can still do a good job centrally when required.
Still very much got a role to play for us for the next 18 months even if it perhaps won't be as a week in week out starter anymore if we could get everyone fit.
Post by: Mellin on February 10, 2025, 12:11:13 AM
Post by: Randy Gurner on February 10, 2025, 12:18:06 AM
Would love to see him lift a trophy.
Post by: tomd2103 on February 10, 2025, 12:22:13 AM
One of his best games for the club. Fulham at home last season stands out but today matched it. He kicked everything that moved. In build up to our second he won a crucial 50/50 that got us playing.
McGinn central is still underrated. I think because he's played so much out wide in last two years people think that's the only role he can do now but he showed end of last season for Arsenal away he can still do a good job centrally when required.
Still very much got a role to play for us for the next 18 months even if it perhaps won't be as a week in week out starter anymore if we could get everyone fit.
I thought McGinn and Tielemans in central midfield were as good in the game earlier as they were in that Arsenal away game last season.
When he's on form, McGinn's ability to turn players in tight spaces and open play up is a real asset.
Post by: eamonn on February 10, 2025, 12:23:32 AM
Just need him to keep exercising that gluteus maximus for a couple more years at least. The rest of his body will follow.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 10, 2025, 03:56:29 PM
Actually would have him as player of the match for his determination, attitude and way he inspires rest of our team
Super Ginny!
Post by: john e on February 10, 2025, 06:21:16 PM
McGinn and Kamara first names on the team sheet for me both irreplaceable
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on February 10, 2025, 06:34:20 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on February 10, 2025, 08:45:00 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 10, 2025, 08:46:03 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 10, 2025, 09:11:29 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 10, 2025, 09:20:37 PM
And in stark contrast to the labouring Onana.SJM sets the standard .
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 10, 2025, 09:34:10 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 11, 2025, 09:22:47 AM
Post by: brontebilly on February 11, 2025, 10:13:05 AM
And some were suggesting he wont get in the team- madness
Crazy, I've never been all that comfortable with him playing in a two, taking the ball with his back to the play and distribution from deep. He's struggled at times in that position and it has to be said Spurs were so weak in midfield.
But he really showed us the likes of Onana at the weekend. 💯 commitment, moral courage (as Johnny Giles used refer to it) in getting turned on the ball constantly in tight areas and passing was spot on too, very few safe passes back to a CB. He bullied the two Spurs had in there, three for a finish. You don't have to be a man mountain to do that like Onana. Knowing how to use your body/arse/hips to protect the ball is a great skill.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 11, 2025, 12:19:30 PM
One thing is certain, I think Emery will want him in the eleven. I hate to use the term but he oozes “vibes”. The football equivalent of Bazball.
Post by: London Villan on February 11, 2025, 12:23:53 PM
That said - we are likely to have a lot of football over the next 3 months - possibly 25 games.... the whole squad will be needed at some point.
Post by: olaftab on February 11, 2025, 12:37:38 PM
He was brilliant. Truly "here, there, every fcuking where"!We can not win big games without John. He is that important.
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 12, 2025, 09:51:18 PM
I agree. The fact that he’s been integral to every one of our teams (apart from time out with the broken ankle) through our transitions from mid table championship side, to relegation strugglers, through Stevie G bollocks ball and into our elevation to a champions league team under Emery, says everything about the man. He’s got character and heart like no one else, but he’s also shown under Emery a true ability to adapt his game.He was brilliant. Truly "here, there, every fcuking where"!We can not win big games without John. He is that important.
In his 7th season now, a real Villa legend for the ages for me, we need to win something with John as skipper, it would mean even more if he was lifting the trophy
Post by: Drummond on February 17, 2025, 10:19:54 AM
He's a top bloke. Chatted to my lad about the fact he was wearing shorts in the freezing cold, just like him apparently. There were kids there cheering and shouting as they'd got his autograph and met him. Was lovely to see and frankly you could tell McGinn just gets it.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 17, 2025, 10:29:05 AM
Last player out of the ground in Saturday and spent a lot of time chatting to the waiting supporters.Love that.
He's a top bloke. Chatted to my lad about the fact he was wearing shorts in the freezing cold, just like him apparently. There were kids there cheering and shouting as they'd got his autograph and met him. Was lovely to see and frankly you could tell McGinn just gets it.
Post by: brontebilly on February 17, 2025, 10:40:28 AM
Last player out of the ground in Saturday and spent a lot of time chatting to the waiting supporters.
He's a top bloke. Chatted to my lad about the fact he was wearing shorts in the freezing cold, just like him apparently. There were kids there cheering and shouting as they'd got his autograph and met him. Was lovely to see and frankly you could tell McGinn just gets it.
He's a great lad. I thought Gareth Barry was always a certain pick in our best X1 of last 25-30 years but think McGinn has passed him out over last 12-18 months. Both used their arse/hips to great advantage. Likes of Rogers still needs to learn how to do it.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 17, 2025, 10:54:44 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 20, 2025, 02:50:33 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on February 20, 2025, 02:55:17 PM
Last player out of the ground in Saturday and spent a lot of time chatting to the waiting supporters.
He's a top bloke. Chatted to my lad about the fact he was wearing shorts in the freezing cold, just like him apparently. There were kids there cheering and shouting as they'd got his autograph and met him. Was lovely to see and frankly you could tell McGinn just gets it.
He's a great lad. I thought Gareth Barry was always a certain pick in our best X1 of last 25-30 years but think McGinn has passed him out over last 12-18 months. Both used their arse/hips to great advantage. Likes of Rogers still needs to learn how to do it.
Think Barry was a better player, but think John McGinn will go down as a proper club legend type of figure. His story is a great one really in terms of where he started his career and where he's ended up.
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on February 20, 2025, 03:06:22 PM
Last player out of the ground in Saturday and spent a lot of time chatting to the waiting supporters.
He's a top bloke. Chatted to my lad about the fact he was wearing shorts in the freezing cold, just like him apparently. There were kids there cheering and shouting as they'd got his autograph and met him. Was lovely to see and frankly you could tell McGinn just gets it.
He's a great lad. I thought Gareth Barry was always a certain pick in our best X1 of last 25-30 years but think McGinn has passed him out over last 12-18 months. Both used their arse/hips to great advantage. Likes of Rogers still needs to learn how to do it.
Think Barry was a better player, but think John McGinn will go down as a proper club legend type of figure. His story is a great one really in terms of where he started his career and where he's ended up.
Yes Super John lifting the FA Cup, will be some sight at Wembley in May.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 20, 2025, 03:32:29 PM
Wouldn't suprise me if in a couple years he wants to go celtic to finish his career.
Post by: Rory on February 20, 2025, 04:15:18 PM
Its mad to think mcginns been here 7 years in august. Thats real loyalty he has shown here
Wouldn't suprise me if in a couple years he wants to go celtic to finish his career.
If he were to finish his PL career with us, I think he'd be close to my favourite player in my time as a supporter. Especially if he were to captain us to a trophy.
I love (good) players who spend all of their peak years with us, and SJM symbolises our 'rebirth' to me. He's been here the whole way.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 20, 2025, 04:31:00 PM
Its mad to think mcginns been here 7 years in august. Thats real loyalty he has shown here
Wouldn't suprise me if in a couple years he wants to go celtic to finish his career.
I wouldn't state loyalty as I don't remember any offers from teams better then us or who might have offered him terms better then us. What it has shown is that he will raise his game to match the level we are at which for a player bought in at Championship level, is something for him to be proud of. He just needs to add some league goals this year though..... :D
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 20, 2025, 04:42:25 PM
Its mad to think mcginns been here 7 years in august. Thats real loyalty he has shown here
Wouldn't suprise me if in a couple years he wants to go celtic to finish his career.
If he were to finish his PL career with us, I think he'd be close to my favourite player in my time as a supporter. Especially if he were to captain us to a trophy.
I love (good) players who spend all of their peak years with us, and SJM symbolises our 'rebirth' to me. He's been here the whole way.
I agree Rory. Ive been going down since the early 80s and its getting to the stage, where i don’t remember a player I have more affinity with. If we win something with him as skipper, it would mean so much more. Doesn’t always play well, but he’s our heartbeat
Post by: Nev on February 20, 2025, 04:46:17 PM
When he plays well we do.
Post by: LeeB on February 20, 2025, 05:32:24 PM
Its mad to think mcginns been here 7 years in august. Thats real loyalty he has shown here
Wouldn't suprise me if in a couple years he wants to go celtic to finish his career.
If he were to finish his PL career with us, I think he'd be close to my favourite player in my time as a supporter. Especially if he were to captain us to a trophy.
I love (good) players who spend all of their peak years with us, and SJM symbolises our 'rebirth' to me. He's been here the whole way.
I agree Rory. Ive been going down since the early 80s and its getting to the stage, where i don’t remember a player I have more affinity with. If we win something with him as skipper, it would mean so much more. Doesn’t always play well, but he’s our heartbeat
I think you're a year or two older than me but I still have a reverence for those that got us back up in '88, far and beyond much better players that subsequently followed them.
McGinn is unique as he falls into that category and is also captain of arguably the best side I've seen in that time.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 20, 2025, 06:46:32 PM
Its mad to think mcginns been here 7 years in august. Thats real loyalty he has shown here
Wouldn't suprise me if in a couple years he wants to go celtic to finish his career.
If he were to finish his PL career with us, I think he'd be close to my favourite player in my time as a supporter. Especially if he were to captain us to a trophy.
I love (good) players who spend all of their peak years with us, and SJM symbolises our 'rebirth' to me. He's been here the whole way.
Completely agree mate. Certainly on road to legendary status in my eyes. Another 3 years or so and he will be entitled to a testimonial
Post by: luke95 on February 23, 2025, 09:42:15 AM
He really is a credit to himself & the club shirt.
Villa mascot was in a wheelchair, which Mcginn happily pushed to the centre circle.
Chelsea mascot was left in the centre circle by Chelsea captain.
Mcginn never left either alone & played ball with both until it was time to kick off.
Super John Mcginn
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 23, 2025, 09:50:04 AM
Quote
If you're at Villa Park today or tuning into today's match against Chelsea on TV, keep your eyes peeled for nine very special people who will be making an appearance.
Thanks to @avfcofficial and @AVFCFoundation, nine of our patients will walk out onto the pitch alongside the players as mascots!
Six-year-old Max, 11-year-olds Alex, Esmay and Tayshelice and 12-year-olds Alfie, Charlie, Vinnie, Oliver and Jenson are all massive Villa fans, and that's not all they have in common. Each of them have spent long periods of their young lives in and out of our hospital and for many of them it’s become their second home.
We are so thrilled to be able to offer them this experience, fulfilling a bucket list dream for them all.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 23, 2025, 09:54:32 AM
Nice touch that they were all from the BCH too - Puts everything into perspective. Seeing poorly kids makes you realise how insignificant our moans about a football team truly are.
Post by: Ian. on February 23, 2025, 10:12:05 AM
I saw an interview the other day, he was talking about a period when his stock was so low here but Emery still believed in him. It made me think, when Gerrard was here I was convinced McGinn wasn’t good enough anymore myself. It just shows when you have a decent manager you really have to have faith in them.
I then went back through this thread and noticed he’s had a few wobbles while here, adjusting to the Premier was one, that first season we struggled and there was quite a few questions regarding him. I’m so glad he’s stayed here because there was lots of talk around 2020 for him to move one.
It’s a real testament to McGinn how even now he’s still the heartbeat to our team and when his form dips, it’s so noticeable in the way we play. What a player he’s been for us.
Post by: Rigadon on February 23, 2025, 10:16:52 AM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on February 23, 2025, 10:27:32 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 23, 2025, 10:30:34 AM
Last player out of the ground in Saturday and spent a lot of time chatting to the waiting supporters.
He's a top bloke. Chatted to my lad about the fact he was wearing shorts in the freezing cold, just like him apparently. There were kids there cheering and shouting as they'd got his autograph and met him. Was lovely to see and frankly you could tell McGinn just gets it.
Beautiful.
My babby had the shirt a few seasons ago and I asked who he wanted on the back. He said ‘McGinn’. I didn’t say anything but I thought ‘he won’t be playing much’.
Ha!
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 23, 2025, 10:34:08 AM
All our mascots yesterday were from the Birmingham Children's Hospital.QuoteIf you're at Villa Park today or tuning into today's match against Chelsea on TV, keep your eyes peeled for nine very special people who will be making an appearance.
Thanks to @avfcofficial and @AVFCFoundation, nine of our patients will walk out onto the pitch alongside the players as mascots!
Six-year-old Max, 11-year-olds Alex, Esmay and Tayshelice and 12-year-olds Alfie, Charlie, Vinnie, Oliver and Jenson are all massive Villa fans, and that's not all they have in common. Each of them have spent long periods of their young lives in and out of our hospital and for many of them it’s become their second home.
We are so thrilled to be able to offer them this experience, fulfilling a bucket list dream for them all.
I’d like to add, from personal experience, that BCH is wonderful hospital with brilliant staff.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 23, 2025, 10:35:06 AM
Post by: Rigadon on February 23, 2025, 11:01:02 AM
All our mascots yesterday were from the Birmingham Children's Hospital.QuoteIf you're at Villa Park today or tuning into today's match against Chelsea on TV, keep your eyes peeled for nine very special people who will be making an appearance.
Thanks to @avfcofficial and @AVFCFoundation, nine of our patients will walk out onto the pitch alongside the players as mascots!
Six-year-old Max, 11-year-olds Alex, Esmay and Tayshelice and 12-year-olds Alfie, Charlie, Vinnie, Oliver and Jenson are all massive Villa fans, and that's not all they have in common. Each of them have spent long periods of their young lives in and out of our hospital and for many of them it’s become their second home.
We are so thrilled to be able to offer them this experience, fulfilling a bucket list dream for them all.
I’d like to add, from personal experience, that BCH is wonderful hospital with brilliant staff.
Seconded. Naturally, it's a very challenging environment to be in, but the staff are amazing.
Post by: brontebilly on February 23, 2025, 11:21:03 AM
Post by: paul_e on February 23, 2025, 02:29:34 PM
He’s a brilliant captain for us, such a great lad to have.
I saw an interview the other day, he was talking about a period when his stock was so low here but Emery still believed in him. It made me think, when Gerrard was here I was convinced McGinn wasn’t good enough anymore myself. It just shows when you have a decent manager you really have to have faith in them.
I then went back through this thread and noticed he’s had a few wobbles while here, adjusting to the Premier was one, that first season we struggled and there was quite a few questions regarding him. I’m so glad he’s stayed here because there was lots of talk around 2020 for him to move one.
It’s a real testament to McGinn how even now he’s still the heartbeat to our team and when his form dips, it’s so noticeable in the way we play. What a player he’s been for us.
It's a mentality thing. Every time we make the squad better he doesn't let it get to him and instead puts in the work and brings himself up again. Even better he tries to help everyone else do the same as well.
If he has any interest at all when his career is coming to an end I'd love to see him working with our U18 and U21 squads to get them through the transition from youth football to the seniors, I think he'd be perfect for it.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 23, 2025, 02:41:04 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 23, 2025, 02:45:01 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 23, 2025, 02:48:39 PM
Proper wind up
Post by: OCD on February 23, 2025, 02:51:14 PM
i loved watching him chatting to their players in the box in the game yesterday
Proper wind up
Was it McGinn that caused Caicedo to get himself yellow carded where he nearly lost the plot and probably got saved from a red by his teammates?
Post by: Simon Page on February 23, 2025, 02:51:28 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 23, 2025, 02:55:15 PM
i loved watching him chatting to their players in the box in the game yesterday
Proper wind up
Was it McGinn that caused Caicedo to get himself yellow carded where he nearly lost the plot and probably got saved from a red by his teammates?
Yes in the box , there he is chatting away ❤️
Post by: Paul.S on February 23, 2025, 03:09:54 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 23, 2025, 03:24:44 PM
Watching some of his performances at St Mirren and Hibs, you can already see he is top class. He doesn't get noticed for how much skill he has on the ball because he's viewed (kindly) as a jokey, very Scottish workhorse for less fashionable sides. He'd have been deified - and had a regular starting place - if he'd been in any of Ferguson's successful Man United sides. Top quality player.
You saw his Hibs and Mirren performances? I thought you hated football!
I was listening to the 5Live comms of the game yesterday. Andy Reid was the pundit and as "someone with a big arse" professed his total respect for Meatball.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 23, 2025, 04:19:57 PM
https://x.com/espnuk/status/1893371654803272131?s=46
Post by: dave shelley on February 23, 2025, 07:22:16 PM
i loved watching him chatting to their players in the box in the game yesterday
Proper wind up
Was it McGinn that caused Caicedo to get himself yellow carded where he nearly lost the plot and probably got saved from a red by his teammates?
Yes in the box , there he is chatting away ❤️
And when the bloke had been carded, McGinn patted the bloke on the back, Caicedo' was about to explode while McGinns face was a picture.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 23, 2025, 07:55:15 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 23, 2025, 08:55:11 PM
i loved watching him chatting to their players in the box in the game yesterday
Proper wind up
Was it McGinn that caused Caicedo to get himself yellow carded where he nearly lost the plot and probably got saved from a red by his teammates?
Yes in the box , there he is chatting away ❤️
And when the bloke had been carded, McGinn patted the bloke on the back, Caicedo' was about to explode while McGinns face was a picture.
I loved the pat on the back after he had been carded. Proper wind up merchant.
Post by: Pat McMahon on February 23, 2025, 09:22:16 PM
All our mascots yesterday were from the Birmingham Children's Hospital.QuoteIf you're at Villa Park today or tuning into today's match against Chelsea on TV, keep your eyes peeled for nine very special people who will be making an appearance.
Thanks to @avfcofficial and @AVFCFoundation, nine of our patients will walk out onto the pitch alongside the players as mascots!
Six-year-old Max, 11-year-olds Alex, Esmay and Tayshelice and 12-year-olds Alfie, Charlie, Vinnie, Oliver and Jenson are all massive Villa fans, and that's not all they have in common. Each of them have spent long periods of their young lives in and out of our hospital and for many of them it’s become their second home.
We are so thrilled to be able to offer them this experience, fulfilling a bucket list dream for them all.
I’d like to add, from personal experience, that BCH is wonderful hospital with brilliant staff.
It is indeed.
Many years ago my nephew was in there for a while and the staff were fantastic. Merson and Southgate visited the ward and Southgate gave about 15 minutes to my nephew which made a big impact on him. So Villa have been doing good things with the hospital for a long time.
The lad who was in the wheelchair pushed by McGinn seemed really happy as he either waved or did a fist bump when they came out on to the pitch. McGinn involv3d him in th e warm up and also played a few passes with the Chelsea mascot too which was a lovely touch.
Post by: Pat McMahon on February 23, 2025, 09:22:51 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 23, 2025, 09:51:27 PM
Post by: Rory on February 23, 2025, 11:00:35 PM
i loved watching him chatting to their players in the box in the game yesterday
Proper wind up
Was it McGinn that caused Caicedo to get himself yellow carded where he nearly lost the plot and probably got saved from a red by his teammates?
Yes in the box , there he is chatting away ❤️
And when the bloke had been carded, McGinn patted the bloke on the back, Caicedo' was about to explode while McGinns face was a picture.
I loved the pat on the back after he had been carded. Proper wind up merchant.
Yeah, you could see SJM trying not to laugh.
Post by: Pat McMahon on February 23, 2025, 11:51:38 PM
Lovely story about your nephew Pat.
Cheers Brend.
At that time Southgate’s dad worked in the facilities team at our place so I was pleased he was a good un.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 24, 2025, 11:56:53 AM
If I had to pick a player to score our winning goal in a cup final, it would be John.
'And it's gonna go in, in from John McGinn.'
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 24, 2025, 01:26:53 PM
I hope he does 10 years with us and gets a proper send off when he eventually finishes his career in the pub league.
What a great servant he has been and cudos obviously to SUE who has resurrected his career when twat Gerrard almost killed it.
Post by: eamonn on February 24, 2025, 01:32:51 PM
My new puppy is called John Wiggles Meatball McGinn.
What will you call him for brevity?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 24, 2025, 01:38:51 PM
My new puppy is called John Wiggles Meatball McGinn.
What will you call him for brevity?
Ginny?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 24, 2025, 02:32:29 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 24, 2025, 04:56:33 PM
My new puppy is called John Wiggles Meatball McGinn.
What will you call him for brevity?
Ginny?
Grrrr
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 24, 2025, 05:26:58 PM
My new puppy is called John Wiggles Meatball McGinn.
What will you call him for brevity?
Ginny?
Grrrr
Time to get with the programme, it's official. https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1892586255025631380
Post by: Mister E on February 24, 2025, 05:51:12 PM
Which was nice.
Post by: Drummond on February 24, 2025, 05:58:43 PM
My new puppy is called John Wiggles Meatball McGinn.
What will you call him for brevity?
Ginny?
Grrrr
Time to get with the programme, it's official. https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1892586255025631380
Grrrr
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Post by: cdbearsfan on February 25, 2025, 12:23:32 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 25, 2025, 01:49:48 PM
I doubt whether he's gone for good, for those pining. He once told me he posts in bursts, gets really into it for ages, and then takes a break for a while. I'm sure he'll be back.
The Ollie Watkins of forums?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 25, 2025, 01:56:17 PM
I doubt whether he's gone for good, for those pining. He once told me he posts in bursts, gets really into it for ages, and then takes a break for a while. I'm sure he'll be back.
The Ollie Watkins of forums?
Well, there is always the chance that I sold him at his peak value - against all advice from the burghers of H&V - as I've always advocated. He's not pulling up any trees on VillaTalk or MOMS, is he?!
Post by: dcdavecollett on February 25, 2025, 05:28:17 PM
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 25, 2025, 05:42:01 PM
They made Dogtanian into a burger?!
There was a tragic mix-up when he went on Grinder by mistake.
Post by: dcdavecollett on February 25, 2025, 05:51:32 PM
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Post by: Drummond on February 25, 2025, 07:26:47 PM
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2025, 10:29:00 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 14, 2025, 05:09:21 PM
Against Brugge it didn’t work first half with Rogers wide right and McGinn up top.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 02, 2025, 06:44:24 PM
SJM! lead us to this must win!
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 03, 2025, 01:46:50 PM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on April 15, 2025, 11:12:19 PM
Love this man, well on his way to being a Villa legend.
Post by: Matt C on April 15, 2025, 11:13:28 PM
Post by: itbrvilla on April 15, 2025, 11:26:06 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 15, 2025, 11:29:45 PM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on April 15, 2025, 11:32:24 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on April 15, 2025, 11:42:49 PM
Post by: Rory on April 15, 2025, 11:43:55 PM
Think he's finally surpassed Ian Taylor as my favourite Villain. Would be great to cap it with a trophy.
I love SJM, but if he's travelling with our away support 20+ years after he leaves us, fair fucks to him!
(And that's not to disagree with your point; I think he's my favourite Villa player as well.)
Post by: Smirker on April 16, 2025, 02:32:31 PM
Post by: Rigadon on April 16, 2025, 02:36:36 PM
Post by: dave shelley on April 16, 2025, 02:45:18 PM
He’s been our best signing in modern time by a mile if you compare his cost vs his output, and was fantastic last night. He’ll be really hard to replace when his engine goes a bit and I hope that’s not for a good while yet.
I agree 💯. This lad will be remembered for a long time and embedded in the fabric of Aston Villa. What a bargain.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 16, 2025, 02:51:30 PM
He’s been our best signing in modern time by a mile if you compare his cost vs his output, and was fantastic last night. He’ll be really hard to replace when his engine goes a bit and I hope that’s not for a good while yet.
I agree 💯. This lad will be remembered for a long time and embedded in the fabric of Aston Villa. What a bargain.
Already assured of legend status. Just imagine if he lifts the FA Cup as well.
Post by: rooboy316 on April 17, 2025, 05:48:05 AM
Post by: Villan For Life on April 17, 2025, 06:35:34 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 17, 2025, 05:31:47 PM
Always knew he would when we signed from Hibs. ;)
Post by: oldhill_avfc on April 17, 2025, 06:38:02 PM
He proved he could way more than cope at that level, but to be the best player on the pitch against arguably the best team in the world shows what you can do with effort, dedication and of course no little skill.
There’s no room for sentimentality in top level sport, but I feel certain Mings and Ollie would have stepped up in the same way. I can see what Torres and Rashford have to offer, but give me the central axis of Mings, McGinn and Watkins every game.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 17, 2025, 06:38:32 PM
SJM (and Konsa) makes the CL team of the week. https://x.com/ChampionsLeague/status/1912883758820212831
Always knew he would when we signed from Hibs. ;)
But Dembele was man of the match so why wasn't he there?
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 17, 2025, 07:12:37 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 17, 2025, 07:26:40 PM
I hope he retires with us, or leaves for Celtic/St. Mirren, before the decline sets in, legacy untarnished with us.
Hibs please.
Post by: olaftab on April 17, 2025, 07:34:03 PM
SJM (and Konsa) makes the CL team of the week. https://x.com/ChampionsLeague/status/1912883758820212831I said the same thing to my dad that day even though he had passed away a few years earlier.
Always knew he would when we signed from Hibs. ;)
Post by: OCD on April 18, 2025, 11:46:45 AM
SJM (and Konsa) makes the CL team of the week. https://x.com/ChampionsLeague/status/1912883758820212831
Always knew he would when we signed from Hibs. ;)
Revealing that Donnarumma is in goal too. And Olise in the team who we should have signed off Reading and could have made a tidy profit on him.
Post by: Exeter 77 on April 18, 2025, 05:51:24 PM
I hope he retires with us, or leaves for Celtic/St. Mirren, before the decline sets in, legacy untarnished with us.Not sure it would be St Mirren because of the way he left there - not necessarily his fault though.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/33129010
Post by: Dick Edwards on April 19, 2025, 09:16:50 AM
With Grealish looking forlornly on as a member of the beaten Manchester City teamHe’s been our best signing in modern time by a mile if you compare his cost vs his output, and was fantastic last night. He’ll be really hard to replace when his engine goes a bit and I hope that’s not for a good while yet.
I agree 💯. This lad will be remembered for a long time and embedded in the fabric of Aston Villa. What a bargain.
Already assured of legend status. Just imagine if he lifts the FA Cup as well.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 19, 2025, 09:19:16 AM
I hope he retires with us, or leaves for Celtic/St. Mirren, before the decline sets in, legacy untarnished with us.Not sure it would be St Mirren because of the way he left there - not necessarily his fault though.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/33129010
I've never heard that story before, did he win the legal case?
Post by: Steve67 on April 19, 2025, 09:24:32 AM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 19, 2025, 09:32:22 AM
Post by: AV82EC on April 19, 2025, 10:33:43 AM
I've lost count of the number of times someone has said we have to move on from him if we want to progress yet he rises to the challenge every time and is still 100% in our best team. Long may it continue.
I’ve said it and it doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t true. But he has proven me wrong on more than one occasion not least Tuesday night. I think he’s an immensely valuable squad member if we’re playing in the CL or the PL but he’s not in my strongest line up on paper but he might be depending on the opposition.
Post by: brontebilly on April 19, 2025, 11:16:40 AM
Post by: Exeter 77 on April 19, 2025, 11:17:11 AM
No idea what the outcome was but from reading this St Mirren fans weren't happy at the time.I hope he retires with us, or leaves for Celtic/St. Mirren, before the decline sets in, legacy untarnished with us.Not sure it would be St Mirren because of the way he left there - not necessarily his fault though.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/33129010
I've never heard that story before, did he win the legal case?
https://www.blackandwhitearmy.com/forums/index.php?/topic/39999-john-mcginn-sues-saints/page/11/#comments
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 19, 2025, 11:26:12 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 19, 2025, 12:18:22 PM
No idea what the outcome was but from reading this St Mirren fans weren't happy at the time.I hope he retires with us, or leaves for Celtic/St. Mirren, before the decline sets in, legacy untarnished with us.Not sure it would be St Mirren because of the way he left there - not necessarily his fault though.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/33129010
I've never heard that story before, did he win the legal case?
https://www.blackandwhitearmy.com/forums/index.php?/topic/39999-john-mcginn-sues-saints/page/11/#comments
Some of the same bollocks that is said when some of our kids don't sign contracts. Although love their take on "it was an accident" when their captain stated he threw a spiked pole deliberately at McGinn.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 19, 2025, 12:18:26 PM
No idea what the outcome was but from reading this St Mirren fans weren't happy at the time.I hope he retires with us, or leaves for Celtic/St. Mirren, before the decline sets in, legacy untarnished with us.Not sure it would be St Mirren because of the way he left there - not necessarily his fault though.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/33129010
I've never heard that story before, did he win the legal case?
https://www.blackandwhitearmy.com/forums/index.php?/topic/39999-john-mcginn-sues-saints/page/11/#comments
Thanks. It raised a wry smile that the posters there are nearly as bad at predicting stuff as us lot. McGinn will be ruing the day he left St Mirren.
Post by: eamonn on April 19, 2025, 12:43:31 PM
Decision to replace him before the 70th minute was insane really. Outstanding in both ties against arguably the best team in Europe.
He'd ran himself into the ground and he's probably not a 90 minute athlete at the top level. I presume those trackers they wear in their sports bras these days lets our army of research and development team on the subs bench know when players are in the "red zone". Hope that's why Marcus and Ginny were subbed. If not, it was a clanger by Emery as Watkins and Ramsey had no effect when they came on.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 19, 2025, 12:55:53 PM
Post by: brontebilly on April 19, 2025, 01:02:34 PM
McGinn was minutes away from getting sent off by that dodgy referee. No choice but to take him off.
Was worth running the risk imo. We lost control of midfield immediately after he went off.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 19, 2025, 01:41:22 PM
The subs didn’t work.McGinn was minutes away from getting sent off by that dodgy referee. No choice but to take him off.
Was worth running the risk imo. We lost control of midfield immediately after he went off.
I would not have taken him off either, I would have had Watkins on and kept Rashford on.
We took off our 2 most effective players of the second half.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 04, 2025, 07:11:17 AM
Post by: PhilVill on May 04, 2025, 07:20:45 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 04, 2025, 07:34:49 AM
I love the bloke.
Post by: Clampy on May 04, 2025, 07:38:00 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 04, 2025, 07:48:56 AM
Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2025, 10:04:52 AM
He's some warrior. Started the season slowly but he's flying at the business end. Outstanding in both games v PSG, Newcastle and again yesterday. Leaving him out v Man City was crazy.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 04, 2025, 10:09:09 AM
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 04, 2025, 12:59:48 PM
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Post by: eamonn on May 04, 2025, 05:19:24 PM
Instead, he said that he was a bit surprised/disappointed as he felt he was playing well. But, being the selfless captain he is, he also mentioned that JJ had been performing really well in training and deserved some minutes.
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 04, 2025, 05:38:34 PM
Not about ability, though he has plenty, it’s just the whole package, 7 years now, promotion, just staying up, the Gerard wilderness year(s), the energy in the Emery revolution and he just seems like the best bloke.
We have been very lucky to have him, God I love us to win anything with him as skipper.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 04, 2025, 05:41:03 PM
Even with all the exciting wingers and forwards we’ve had over the years, he’s now up there in my top maybe 3 villa players of all time, behind only Sid and God.Agree.
Not about ability, though he has plenty, it’s just the whole package, 7 years now, promotion, just staying up, the Gerard wilderness year(s), the energy in the Emery revolution and he just seems like the best bloke.
We have been very lucky to have him, God I love us to win anything with him as skipper.
Post by: Mister E on May 04, 2025, 05:52:53 PM
secondedEven with all the exciting wingers and forwards we’ve had over the years, he’s now up there in my top maybe 3 villa players of all time, behind only Sid and God.Agree.
Not about ability, though he has plenty, it’s just the whole package, 7 years now, promotion, just staying up, the Gerard wilderness year(s), the energy in the Emery revolution and he just seems like the best bloke.
We have been very lucky to have him, God I love us to win anything with him as skipper.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 04, 2025, 06:50:27 PM
Post by: Smithy on May 04, 2025, 11:08:01 PM
I honestly didn’t think he could reach these levels. Inspirational player.
After he scored that absolute worldie against Sheff Wed in his debut season, I told my mate in the pub that night that he'd win a Ballon D'or. So he still has a little room to improve :-)
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on May 04, 2025, 11:18:11 PM
Post by: Rigadon on May 05, 2025, 08:54:53 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on May 05, 2025, 09:00:57 AM
I honestly didn’t think he could reach these levels. Inspirational player.
Same here, every year when we buy players, I think that McGinn is probably no longer in our strongest first XI, and every year I'm wrong as he moves up to a level I didnt think he was able to.
I think his performance against Man City in the 1-0 last year was the best individual Villa performance Ive ever seen, and followed by another one recently but I've momentarily forgotten who it was against.
Post by: Crown Hill on May 05, 2025, 09:13:14 AM
I honestly didn’t think he could reach these levels. Inspirational player.
Same here, every year when we buy players, I think that McGinn is probably no longer in our strongest first XI, and every year I'm wrong as he moves up a level I didnt think he was able to.
I think his performance against Man City in the 1-0 last year was the best individual Villa performance Ive ever seen, and followed by another one recently but I've momentarily forgotten who it was against.
He single handedly drove us on against PSG!
Post by: Hillbilly on May 05, 2025, 10:51:01 AM
Post by: Holte132 on May 05, 2025, 10:59:09 AM
Post by: amfy on May 05, 2025, 12:12:22 PM
It just showed yet again that he gets it.
Post by: brontebilly on May 05, 2025, 01:14:01 PM
I honestly didn’t think he could reach these levels. Inspirational player.
Same here, every year when we buy players, I think that McGinn is probably no longer in our strongest first XI, and every year I'm wrong as he moves up to a level I didnt think he was able to.
I think his performance against Man City in the 1-0 last year was the best individual Villa performance Ive ever seen, and followed by another one recently but I've momentarily forgotten who it was against.
Spurs at home in the cup Id say
There was another one last season, at home to Fulham. Run of the mill PL game but he absolutely demolished their guy Palhinha who was being linked to Bayern at the time. Couple of other stand out home games last where he he ruined Dan Burn at left back and whoever Brighton had there.
He's incredibly versatile too. RM is his best position I think but has had many fine games on the left and in the middle on occasion. The likes of Rogers, Ramsey, Asensio all seem to just have one spot.
Post by: OCD on May 05, 2025, 01:18:23 PM
Post by: brontebilly on May 05, 2025, 02:29:57 PM
Dan Burn was playing at left back for Newcastle when he 'ruined him'. Unless that's a separate occasion.
Yeah and?
Post by: Tuscans on May 22, 2025, 10:51:45 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on May 22, 2025, 11:26:00 PM
Brilliant player and personality, always gives it everything. One of the best signings of the last 20 years.
Surely would be high up in the all-time list of best signings, nevermind the last 20 years?
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2025, 05:59:36 PM
I'll be 41 and at Al Nassr.
Chunkz is better than all our players put together at taking penalties.
Post by: Monty on May 23, 2025, 06:05:49 PM
On MOTD after Fulham I actually loved that he mentioned that the crowd were flat after last week (….& they needed to get the job done to lift us & keep working to bring that Champions League spot).
It just showed yet again that he gets it.
Agreed. Imagine how few players would get away with saying that, yet when it comes from him it's further proof of what an absolute real one he is, the toppest of lads, the consummate G. He's the embodiment of this era for sure.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 23, 2025, 09:02:16 PM
I'll be 41 and at Al Nassr.
I liked the "we don't know each others Birthdays because cakes have been banned, the game's gone".
Post by: olaftab on May 23, 2025, 09:14:30 PM
Dan Burn was playing at left back for Newcastle when he 'ruined him'. Unless that's a separate occasion.I still have a chuckle when I think about Burn turning like an oil tanker that day.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 23, 2025, 09:16:50 PM
I'll be 41 and at Al Nassr.
I liked the "we don't know each others Birthdays because cakes have been banned, the game's gone".
That was a pretty sneaky question asking about the birthday of a player that didn't join us until after his birthday.
Post by: Tuscans on August 07, 2025, 05:29:59 PM
Villa want to keep their captain, whose deal expires in 2027 and is considered key to Emery's plans this season. Story
@TheAthleticFC
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2025, 05:44:23 PM
Post by: Tuscans on August 07, 2025, 05:55:03 PM
Everton, lol.Their owners were pissed after watching last nights game.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 07, 2025, 05:58:19 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkGQQB3XoAEd6KK.jpg)
I love having a look back , 7 years tomorrow
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 07, 2025, 06:03:28 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkGQQB3XoAEd6KK.jpg)
I love having a look back , 7 years tomorrow
Yes, but RECON? Spoils the picture somewhat.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 07, 2025, 06:03:29 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2025, 06:32:50 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkGQQB3XoAEd6KK.jpg)
I love having a look back , 7 years tomorrow
Initially wanted to go to Celtic, but the beautiful Luke shirt clinched the deal. A new version for his testimonial year would be fitting.
Post by: Rory on August 07, 2025, 06:39:05 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkGQQB3XoAEd6KK.jpg)
I love having a look back , 7 years tomorrow
Initially wanted to go to Celtic, but the beautiful Luke shirt clinched the deal. A new version for his testimonial year would be fitting.
Why not every year between now and then?
Post by: LeeB on August 07, 2025, 06:47:45 PM
Post by: Mister E on August 07, 2025, 06:47:50 PM
Cool Villa legend - I predict a bronze statue of his arse will be commissioned for his 10th season with us.(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkGQQB3XoAEd6KK.jpg)
I love having a look back , 7 years tomorrow
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2025, 07:14:19 PM
Cool Villa legend - I predict a bronze statue of his arse will be commissioned for his 10th season with us.(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkGQQB3XoAEd6KK.jpg)
I love having a look back , 7 years tomorrow
We'd definitely need a bigger stadium.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on August 07, 2025, 07:46:50 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 07, 2025, 07:49:26 PM
Or is it that I look older and tireder than I did then? :'(
Post by: Rory on August 07, 2025, 07:53:13 PM
He looks so young and fresh-faced there at the time of his signing
Or is it that I look older and tireder than I did then? :'(
I'm sure you're just as beautiful now as you were then 🙂
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 07, 2025, 08:25:47 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on August 07, 2025, 10:33:11 PM
Look again at the end of the season
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2025, 11:48:52 PM
Post by: brontebilly on August 08, 2025, 12:07:31 AM
Would hope he isn't open to moving hence Everton thinking they could chance their arm.
Seems an odd bid really, relegation candidates trying to buy our captain. Hopefully Johnny's camp just trying to wangle a few extra quid into a new contract with us.
Post by: Rory on August 08, 2025, 12:23:00 AM
Not suggesting we should expect to lose players to them any time soon, but they're a proper club with a new stadium and looking down on them is the kind of thing we (rightly) hate fans of other clubs for.
Post by: Louzie0 on August 08, 2025, 12:42:43 AM
No matter how cuddly they are.
Post by: Rory on August 08, 2025, 01:13:22 AM
They can’t have Super John McGinn, though.
No matter how cuddly they are.
No, of course SJM would never want to go to those arm-flailing tosspots, and we wouldn't sell him to them, either 🙂
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 08, 2025, 03:32:31 AM
I do think we're beginning to sound like wankers when dismissing clubs like Everton.
Not suggesting we should expect to lose players to them any time soon, but they're a proper club with a new stadium and looking down on them is the kind of thing we (rightly) hate fans of other clubs for.
Bollocks to that, I look down on every club who aren't called Aston Villa.
Post by: ldavfc4eva on August 08, 2025, 06:46:59 AM
Would have been nicer of them to tempt Ross Barkley back instead though and give us a double figure sum
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2025, 07:02:24 AM
If the Grealish to Everton on loan is true, then I can see why they would also want SJM,
Would have been nicer of them to tempt Ross Barkley back instead though and give us a double figure sum
Maybe Grealish has told Everton to get McGinn as part of his move there.
Maybe McGinn's agents are just looking for a better deal.
Post by: aev on August 08, 2025, 07:55:30 AM
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2025, 08:03:01 AM
Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2025, 08:22:11 AM
I love McGinn but I'd be tempted to sell him if we got a decent offer.
Trouble is a decent offer for us would be £50m plus.
Post by: Monty on August 08, 2025, 08:24:26 AM
Post by: Dick Edwards on August 08, 2025, 08:29:32 AM
I do think we're beginning to sound like wankers when dismissing clubs like Everton.It's the offer that's dismissive. £18m for our captain,who's a vital member of our squad is laughable.
Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2025, 08:33:45 AM
Post by: andyh on August 08, 2025, 08:44:20 AM
The only thought we should be having about John McGinn, is whether we offer him a new 5 or 7 year contract.
Post by: lessealey on August 08, 2025, 09:02:03 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2025, 09:02:57 AM
Post by: aj2k77 on August 08, 2025, 09:04:47 AM
Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2025, 09:12:27 AM
I'd sell him for £30m. Everyone has a price.
I don't think you can replace what he brings for that. You'd probably need 2 players, one of which would need to be a true leader.
Post by: brontebilly on August 08, 2025, 09:12:42 AM
Would you be interested in selling McGinn for 18 mill if you could get Luiz at the same price?
Absolutely not, Id like McGinn to end his career with us.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2025, 09:13:11 AM
Post by: Monty on August 08, 2025, 09:18:46 AM
Post by: BC Villain on August 08, 2025, 09:23:47 AM
As Henry Winter has put it so well this am, even as an impact sub, he's worth way more than £18m to Villa.
Wouldn't put it past Monchi and Vidagany to double back and accept the offer given they're track record. Should be pushing to get tat like Buendia and Onana out of the door first
Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2025, 09:30:34 AM
Post by: Monty on August 08, 2025, 09:32:09 AM
Ignore the troll.
The 'track record', to be clear, is finishes of 7th, 4th and 6th.
But yes, what a strange way of spending your precious time on this earth.
Post by: Somniloquism on August 08, 2025, 09:32:15 AM
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2025, 09:50:05 AM
Would you be interested in selling McGinn for 18 mill if you could get Luiz at the same price?
Absolutely not, Id like McGinn to end his career with us.
Agreed.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 08, 2025, 09:54:24 AM
KROAs Henry Winter has put it so well this am, even as an impact sub, he's worth way more than £18m to Villa.
Wouldn't put it past Monchi and Vidagany to double back and accept the offer given they're track record. Should be pushing to get tat like Buendia and Onana out of the door first
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 08, 2025, 09:55:51 AM
KROAs Henry Winter has put it so well this am, even as an impact sub, he's worth way more than £18m to Villa.
Wouldn't put it past Monchi and Vidagany to double back and accept the offer given they're track record. Should be pushing to get tat like Buendia and Onana out of the door first
Bloody hell what has Onana done wrong other than share a name with a crap keeper ??
Post by: john2710 on August 08, 2025, 10:10:47 AM
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2025, 10:18:14 AM
As Henry Winter has put it so well this am, even as an impact sub, he's worth way more than £18m to Villa.
Wouldn't put it past Monchi and Vidagany to double back and accept the offer given they're track record. Should be pushing to get tat like Buendia and Onana out of the door first
Don't you ever get tired and weary of this stuff?
Or will you still journey on with this posting style? Can't imagine it brings you much joy, lots of sorrows though.
Post by: LeeB on August 08, 2025, 10:20:11 AM
As Henry Winter has put it so well this am, even as an impact sub, he's worth way more than £18m to Villa.
Wouldn't put it past Monchi and Vidagany to double back and accept the offer given they're track record. Should be pushing to get tat like Buendia and Onana out of the door first
Don't you ever get tired and weary of this stuff?
Or will you still journey on with this posting style? Can't imagine it brings you much joy, lots of sorrows though.
Something about this one says "six fingered mutant from Smethwick" to me.
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on August 08, 2025, 10:33:02 AM
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 08, 2025, 02:02:36 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 08, 2025, 02:42:45 PM
Ignore the troll.Surely it would be more enjoyable for you to sit in an empty room having a hand shandy, than spend time writing this stuff, you sad person.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 08, 2025, 02:46:11 PM
Ignore the troll.
Surely it would be more enjoyable for you to sit in an empty room having a hand shandy, than spend time writing this stuff, you sad person.
Unfortunately, he's lost his tweezers.
Post by: Monty on August 08, 2025, 02:47:42 PM
It would cost a lot more than £18m to replace him.
Good way to think about it.
Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2025, 02:56:31 PM
Ignore the troll.Surely it would be more enjoyable for you to sit in an empty room having a hand shandy, than spend time writing this stuff, you sad person.
Charming.
Post by: Somniloquism on August 08, 2025, 02:58:55 PM
Ignore the troll.Surely it would be more enjoyable for you to sit in an empty room having a hand shandy, than spend time writing this stuff, you sad person.
Charming.
I thought he was shoving that at BCV but chose the wrong post.
Post by: Rory on August 08, 2025, 02:59:56 PM
Ignore the troll.Surely it would be more enjoyable for you to sit in an empty room having a hand shandy, than spend time writing this stuff, you sad person.
Charming.
I thought he was shoving that at BCV but chose the wrong post.
Yeah, that's how I read it.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 08, 2025, 03:01:08 PM
Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2025, 03:02:24 PM
Ignore the troll.Surely it would be more enjoyable for you to sit in an empty room having a hand shandy, than spend time writing this stuff, you sad person.
Charming.
I thought he was shoving that at BCV but chose the wrong post.
I know he was.
Post by: martin o`who?? on August 08, 2025, 03:07:08 PM
Fair point.I do think we're beginning to sound like wankers when dismissing clubs like Everton.
Not suggesting we should expect to lose players to them any time soon, but they're a proper club with a new stadium and looking down on them is the kind of thing we (rightly) hate fans of other clubs for.
Bollocks to that, I look down on every club who aren't called Aston Villa.
Post by: algy on August 08, 2025, 05:19:14 PM
No. McGinn doesn't leave until we win the FA Cup. If we have to Weekend at Bernie's him to make that happen, so be it.Agreed.
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 08, 2025, 06:35:01 PM
Buy him a apartment in Dublin and offer him to pay his alcohol bill and he sign for lifeNo. McGinn doesn't leave until we win the FA Cup. If we have to Weekend at Bernie's him to make that happen, so be it.Agreed.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 08, 2025, 06:59:47 PM
Buy him a apartment in Dublin and offer him to pay his alcohol bill and he sign for life
Given property prices in Dublin and the cost of a pint there, it would put us in breach of FFP. It'd cheaper to sign Vinicius Junior.
Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2025, 12:41:12 PM
https://realsoccer247.com/aston-villa-captain-opens-up-football-love-and-finding-balance-beyond-the-pitch/?fbclid=IwY2xjawMWhxZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHstffMbJoLROjCNxG9I10imcaGINpcrHGRLWmAO_yGq8mg4LpyI9KeVoHFhN_aem_Jcg-9Zy7wbBcTIB_CO0AzA (https://realsoccer247.com/aston-villa-captain-opens-up-football-love-and-finding-balance-beyond-the-pitch/?fbclid=IwY2xjawMWhxZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHstffMbJoLROjCNxG9I10imcaGINpcrHGRLWmAO_yGq8mg4LpyI9KeVoHFhN_aem_Jcg-9Zy7wbBcTIB_CO0AzA)
Post by: Villan For Life on August 23, 2025, 12:56:49 PM
Meatball's in love:
https://realsoccer247.com/aston-villa-captain-opens-up-football-love-and-finding-balance-beyond-the-pitch/?fbclid=IwY2xjawMWhxZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHstffMbJoLROjCNxG9I10imcaGINpcrHGRLWmAO_yGq8mg4LpyI9KeVoHFhN_aem_Jcg-9Zy7wbBcTIB_CO0AzA (https://realsoccer247.com/aston-villa-captain-opens-up-football-love-and-finding-balance-beyond-the-pitch/?fbclid=IwY2xjawMWhxZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHstffMbJoLROjCNxG9I10imcaGINpcrHGRLWmAO_yGq8mg4LpyI9KeVoHFhN_aem_Jcg-9Zy7wbBcTIB_CO0AzA)
She’s got McGinn, Super John McGinn
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 23, 2025, 01:13:05 PM
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With her, I learned that not everything has to be rushed.
Probably more detail than we needed.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 23, 2025, 01:14:43 PM
Post by: danno on August 23, 2025, 01:19:19 PM
https://realsoccer247.com/breaking-news-aston-villa-stunned-as-legend-paul-mcgrath-refuses-return-declines-senior-coaching-role-with-aston-villa-f-c-explaining-his-decision-to-stay-away-from-leading-the-team-2/