Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: algy on June 11, 2018, 11:20:34 PM
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With all this nonsense from Randy Lerner & Tony Xia ...
Would you return to something like the Herbert years (i.e. a return to a Doug Ellis type chairman)?
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Not this all over again
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Lock and delete please.
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No, thanks for coming. Whoooooooooooooooosh.
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True story.
This thread is shit.
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Ahh, I really fancy watching that now.
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With all this nonsense from Randy Lerner & Tony Xia ...
Would you return to something like the Herbert years (i.e. a return to a Doug Ellis type chairman)?
May I refer you to Tony’s Statement, The Pit of Misery and Villa Fans Worried...
And those are just the current ones.
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You bet I’d go back. Finances healthy and sound, a good manager, good-to-middling league position, great performances in the League Cup, etc, etc.
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Click
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I would
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DD looks like a pattern owner now, FFS!
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No point looking back now, let’s look forward and try and build something sustainable and vibrant for the future.
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Never go back, players, managers, ex’s.
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Jesus no.
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I'd rather go back to 1982 and prevent Ellis from taking over and ruining the Champions of Europe.
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No point looking back now, let’s look forward and try and build something sustainable and vibrant for the future.
This is sort of what I was trying to get to in a roundabout way. At some point Tony Xia will sell up (this year, next year, 30 years, ...). Personally, I don't particularly want Villa to be another billionaire's ego massage plaything (I didn't sell my shares to Lerner for exactly that reason, even when it was financially insane to keep them). But, foresaking the billionaires means that, in all probability, an Ellis-like arrangement is the best situation (or Kenwright at Everton, or whatever).
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Futile going over old arguments but I do raise a smile when many fans around that time thought Ellis was the worst owner in history and pretty much anyone who followed him as owner possibly couldn't do any worse.
Just shows that out there are very many more bad than good owners as even if the intentions to succeed are good plenty else can go wrong.
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No.
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Doug was useless in a different way. He held us back from being competitive at the very top of the first division when it was possible. We would probably never have got relegated under him and certainly wouldn't have gone bust. I didn't like him and I'm not going to get misty eyed or revisionist, but the scale of how he let us down was probably less than Lerner or Zia.
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Please, no more. Please.
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lock.this.thread.
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Please, no more. Please.
This thread is the Football equivalent to water boarding.
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Doug was useless in a different way. He held us back from being competitive at the very top of the first division when it was possible. We would probably never have got relegated under him and certainly wouldn't have gone bust. I didn't like him and I'm not going to get misty eyed or revisionist, but the scale of how he let us down was probably less than Lerner or Zia.
Aye that's my point. There seemed to be a big ground swell of opinion in his later years owning us that he was the worst owner in history and practically anyone taking over would guide us on in an unstoppable march to football domination.
Hasn't really happened despite spending about 200m odd and we're in even worse mess now so sometimes it's better the devil you know.
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No point looking back now, let’s look forward and try and build something sustainable and vibrant for the future.
This is sort of what I was trying to get to in a roundabout way. At some point Tony Xia will sell up (this year, next year, 30 years, ...). Personally, I don't particularly want Villa to be another billionaire's ego massage plaything (I didn't sell my shares to Lerner for exactly that reason, even when it was financially insane to keep them). But, foresaking the billionaires means that, in all probability, an Ellis-like arrangement is the best situation (or Kenwright at Everton, or whatever).
Not necessarily. Surely a club can be ran within it's means if the person appointed knows what they are doing and makes sound appointments.
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I would like to go back to Sir William Dugdale and Harry Kartz.
Doug was OK first time round from 1968 but should then have gone back to flogging package holidays instead of our best players.
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He’d probably come out of retirement for a few quid, bless him.
Count the pennies and the pounds will look after themselves, he’d most likely say. Such a divisive figure in our history. Love him or hate him, we were a top club when he was in the driving seat. We’re garbage now. Time has a funny way of changing your outlook on things. For what it’s worth, I like to believe that he might have thought that selling to Randy (paper billionaire) was in the best interests of the club. Everyone will have their opinion on that. It seems strange to say it, but with Ellis and Stride, we might not have been the biggest club in the land, but we weren’t that far away.
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Good grief there's some misty eyed history gymnastics going on.
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If it meant us being in the top division, getting the occasional season of European football, the occasional flirtation with relegion (yes, there was the one exception where we fell through the trap door) but never actually having some people wondering if we'd actually have a club left to support (look at the joyful folk on Twitter for evidence), then yes I'd go back to the Doug-type chairmanship.