Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on April 29, 2018, 11:12:12 AM
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http://thebirminghampress.com/2018/04/thats-all-for-now-folks/
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I don't know if it's accurate or not but i read somewhere that we are the 10th best supported club in England this season based on home attendances.
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Yes, Bruce said it and our Statto, PWS, has confirmed it.
Was Carbone on-loan? If so, our best one imo. Think he was one of Jack's early heroes too.
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Yes, Bruce said it and our Statto, PWS, has confirmed it.
Was Carbone on-loan? If so, our best one imo. Think he was one of Jack's early heroes too.
I'd really love to know what the big attraction was with Carbone. He was another fanny merchant who looked world-class on the halfway line where it didn't matter and suffered from altitude sickness the higher up the pitch he went.
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Yes, Bruce said it and our Statto, PWS, has confirmed it.
Was Carbone on-loan? If so, our best one imo. Think he was one of Jack's early heroes too.
I'd really love to know what the big attraction was with Carbone. He was another fanny merchant who looked world-class on the halfway line where it didn't matter and suffered from altitude sickness the higher up the pitch he went.
I suspect it was because he almost single-handedly got us to the FA cup final that year.
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Yes, Bruce said it and our Statto, PWS, has confirmed it.
Was Carbone on-loan? If so, our best one imo. Think he was one of Jack's early heroes too.
I'd really love to know what the big attraction was with Carbone. He was another fanny merchant who looked world-class on the halfway line where it didn't matter and suffered from altitude sickness the higher up the pitch he went.
I suspect it was because he almost single-handedly got us to the FA cup final that year.
Including looking world class from the halfway line when he smashed the ball past Nigel Martyn.
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Yes, Bruce said it and our Statto, PWS, has confirmed it.
Was Carbone on-loan? If so, our best one imo. Think he was one of Jack's early heroes too.
I'd really love to know what the big attraction was with Carbone. He was another fanny merchant who looked world-class on the halfway line where it didn't matter and suffered from altitude sickness the higher up the pitch he went.
I suspect it was because he almost single-handedly got us to the FA cup final that year.
I must have missed that one. I remember him throwing a tantrum when he got subbed in the semi, though. "Carbone retired with the dignity of a three-year-old being led past the sweet counter at Tesco, flinging down his headband and kicking the trainer's bucket."
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IMO Carbone was like Merson, very good at times, but rarely against good sides or in big matches. One thing you have to say about Gabby is that he did it against the best in the country on a pretty regular basis.
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Gabby is such a polarizing figure, but in an odd way not normally associated with polarizing figures you can actually be comfortable on both sides of the debate. You can appreciate what he was in his early days, the adulation that Jack gets for being from the academy, the unbelievable potential and the form and goals that led him to be one of the most feared strikers, certainly in terms of searing pace in the PL for a very short period of time. He scored some of the most valuable goals in my Villa memory at crucial times against big teams. He was also a consistent cherished visitor and club ambassador at Acorns, something that helped many there and that impact should never be diminished.
Then there is what became of him and his association with some of our worst memories in our modern history. He embodied the malaise at the club, and the lack of fucks given as it all came crumbling down. Whereas some might have expected him to be the one to lead the charge and care the most about its decline instead he contributed mightily to it. Instead of grabbing its hand on the edge of the cliff he laughed as he helped push it over the edge.
I'm happy and sad its over for all of the obvious reasons.
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Done.
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Harsh on Carbone, without him we wouldn't have got to Wembley and Merson aside, we struggled with creativity from other outlets (Hendrie suffering from injuries and a first difficult spell since breaking through and others like Stone and Thompson functional rather than exciting) so Carbone was a breath of fresh air enough of the time, flounces aside.
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Yes, Bruce said it and our Statto, PWS, has confirmed it.
Was Carbone on-loan? If so, our best one imo. Think he was one of Jack's early heroes too.
I'd really love to know what the big attraction was with Carbone. He was another fanny merchant who looked world-class on the halfway line where it didn't matter and suffered from altitude sickness the higher up the pitch he went.
"Fanny merchant" - love this term! My old man used to use it about players too. Is it a Brummie phrase?
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Harsh on Carbone, without him we wouldn't have got to Wembley and Merson aside, we struggled with creativity from other outlets (Hendrie suffering from injuries and a first difficult spell since breaking through and others like Stone and Thompson functional rather than exciting) so Carbone was a breath of fresh air enough of the time, flounces aside.
Quite right. He was just one of those players I enjoyed watching play, he just made the game look very easy.
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He’s one of those players who you loved or not so much hated but didn’t like that much. I get both sides. He did score some great goals though and if there ever was a ‘toys out of the pram’ type player it was most certainly him.
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Spot on again Dave I met Gabby after the game and wished him luck for the future.
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Yes, Bruce said it and our Statto, PWS, has confirmed it.
Was Carbone on-loan? If so, our best one imo. Think he was one of Jack's early heroes too.
I'd really love to know what the big attraction was with Carbone. He was another fanny merchant who looked world-class on the halfway line where it didn't matter and suffered from altitude sickness the higher up the pitch he went.
I suspect it was because he almost single-handedly got us to the FA cup final that year.
You mean when scored a hat-trick against Leeds. Not when he got sent off at Goodison in quarter final?
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Yes, Bruce said it and our Statto, PWS, has confirmed it.
Was Carbone on-loan? If so, our best one imo. Think he was one of Jack's early heroes too.
I'd really love to know what the big attraction was with Carbone. He was another fanny merchant who looked world-class on the halfway line where it didn't matter and suffered from altitude sickness the higher up the pitch he went.
I suspect it was because he almost single-handedly got us to the FA cup final that year.
You mean when scored a hat-trick against Leeds. Not when he got sent off at Goodison in quarter final?
Not just the hat-trick although that was clearly the biggest impact he had. Before he got sent off I seem to remember he scored the winner against Everton (and wasn't the sending off in the last few minutes?) and he got one in the 3rd or 4th round as well I think.
It's a while back, and I've had a lot of beer and 2 kids since, but I just remember him being great in the cup that season (and pretty average in the league). As Risso says though, the simple fact is that he was a spark of something different in a very workmanlike team and whilst he rarely set the place alight he was always exciting.
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Flattered to deceive would be my kindest description. All his eye-catching work seemed to be in the areas where it didn't matter; he'd show some wonderful skill in the centre circle but the opposition penalty area was a no-go zone. He must have made a fortune in signing-on fees though.
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David James single-handedly got us to the 2000 FA Cup Final*
*and then single-handedly lost it for us, not that I shall be bitter until the day I die or anything.
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Franz Carr is still the original and best FA Cup hero of the colour TV years.
Carbone wasn't consistent enough nor as good as he thought he was. I'd imagine Wednesday fans may remember him more kindly (until the contract dispute that landed him at our door) but he achieved remarkably little in his career. Exciting if you caught him on the right day, but for me he's one of those flair players thought of as world class at clubs who don't win things.
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Milner under DOL was a good loan signing too