Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: go on the dog on March 31, 2018, 07:15:57 PM
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Fantastic show on ITV4, its available on download, loads of Villa behind the scenes stuff Id never seen before
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Saw it last night. Absolutely brilliant - a must watch for Villa fans. So lucky to have been a Villa fan back then. Put this shower of shite to shame. How in God's name didn't Mortimer earn an England call up?
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Both programmes were absolutely brilliant, with our segment being the best.
I even had a very slight pang of sympathy for bealzebub at one stage, but I soon shook that off.
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Loads of clips from 81/82 that i'd never seen before, well worth a watch. First episode was pretty good too.
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Even my Lichfield Villains flag got an airing when they were showing the Kiev away game in Simferopol.
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Can any of you guys post a link to this/where it can be downloaded? I'm a technological dinosaur. Cheers!
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Can any of you guys post a link to this/where it can be downloaded? I'm a technological dinosaur. Cheers!
Ask and you shall receive (https://www.itv.com/hub/when-english-football-ruled-europe/2a5405a0001)
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May not work as you're outside the UK though. For anyone watching on a laptop you'll need to turn off any ad blockers you run.
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Even my Lichfield Villains flag got an airing when they were showing the Kiev away game in Simferopol.
Yes I noticed that. Must've been quite an experience going behind the Iron curtain in those days.
Amused me when they showed how bad the hotel was. Imagine present day footballers staying in accomodation like that, they'd all be on the next plan out of the country.
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Can any of you guys post a link to this/where it can be downloaded? I'm a technological dinosaur. Cheers!
Ask and you shall receive (https://www.itv.com/hub/when-english-football-ruled-europe/2a5405a0001)
Thank you very much, mate. Much appreciated.
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May not work as you're outside the UK though. For anyone watching on a laptop you'll need to turn off any ad blockers you run.
Ah, you're right. It'll be my Sunday mission to watch this somehow. Hopefully it'll appear on YouTube or something.
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Although i've never used one i'm sure a VPN or some such will help. Or there will be an add-on for Chrome etc that will get round it.
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May not work as you're outside the UK though. For anyone watching on a laptop you'll need to turn off any ad blockers you run.
Ah, you're right. It'll be my Sunday mission to watch this somehow. Hopefully it'll appear on YouTube or something.
Can you not get a VPN, mate? I recommend Express VPN. Expensive, but very, very good: https://www.expressvpn.com/
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Even my Lichfield Villains flag got an airing when they were showing the Kiev away game in Simferopol.
Yes I noticed that. Must've been quite an experience going behind the Iron curtain in those days.
Amused me when they showed how bad the hotel was. Imagine present day footballers staying in accomodation like that, they'd all be on the next plan out of the country.
Got to be honest, mate. I couldn’t afford to go, so my mate took it. They stopped in the same hotel as the players, I think. I’ve got a pic of Sid, Gary Williams, Tony Morley and Pat Heard, I think it was, holding the flag up in one of the players rooms.
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Oh right fair enough.
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A beautiful, moving watch. For someone who wasn't around during this era it's strange because everything went our way! When did that change?
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:( :( :(1983. ;)
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If you follow Villa Boy on Facebook he puts up Villa vids every day, think he's uploaded these two.
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There was a load of dust getting in my eyes watching last night. Glad to have been a villa fan then because I fear we will never reach those heights again sadly
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A beautiful, moving watch. For someone who wasn't around during this era it's strange because everything went our way! When did that change?
I'm not sure everything went our way. I was at the final but before that remember two tough ties behind the iron curtain, the Saunders' walk out, inconsistent league form, sweating on whether we would have to replay the semi final or be kicked out and our place go to Anderlecht (there was a big Sun newspaper back page declaring 'Villa Out Of Final' one day, which caused panic until you realised the final was the FA Cup final and the 'Villa' was Ricky due to the Falklands. Then we had one of Europe's most underrated keepers go off injured and replaced by a rookie. If you class that as everything going our way I would hate to think how bad it would have been if fate had really had it in for us!
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I assume he meant we won things instead of choking.
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life and football was so different back then
can never understand why the big clubs moan and groan and i include AV fans when there clubs don't get instant success these days
i,ve only ever tasted dungeon football for most of my life supporting cardiff and i always admire people who support there local teams like rochdale , bury , hartlepool etc . i,m enjoying the ride this year for sure but know it can all come crumbling down again with a few bad results . the big club fans get no sympathy from me . sky and btsports have killed the traditional game not english football
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Of course it went our way. We won it.
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Of course it went our way. We won it.
We don't mention it much. Certainly not as much as Small Heath mention us mentioning it. They mention us supposedly mentioning it so much that we don't really need to mention it.
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life and football was so different back then
can never understand why the big clubs moan and groan and i include AV fans when there clubs don't get instant success these days
i,ve only ever tasted dungeon football for most of my life supporting cardiff and i always admire people who support there local teams like rochdale , bury , hartlepool etc . i,m enjoying the ride this year for sure but know it can all come crumbling down again with a few bad results . the big club fans get no sympathy from me . sky and btsports have killed the traditional game not english football
To be fair to Cardiff when I first started following football in the late seventies they were a struggling second division club who then in subsequent years dropped all the way down to the fourth division. For the last decade or more I have always though of them as a second tier side and they have had a year in the top flight too. With a (relatively) new ground and a decent fan base I would imagine they will be a competitve Championship side and possible even a Premier League side in the forseeable future.
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Every set of of fans in the world has expectations of their club. They also know when their club is massively below where it should be. And it has been that way since long before Sky was even thought of. It doesn't matter if it's a 'big' club, a middle of the road club or a 'small' club. Whether it's fans of Barcelona or Bromsgrove, all have expectations and will complain when it's obvious they are below where they should be. Cardiff fans would have been no different when struggling to pull 3K and not to become a non league club.
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I was lucky enough to be at the final in Rotterdam, and thought the ITV4 programme was really nicely done.
Sadly, there doesn't seem to be a good deal of photographic footage of Rotterdam generally out there. There are just one or two long range shots of the Villa end to be found on the web, and I search for me and my cap (to no avail) amongst the thousands - I recall roughly where I was stood.
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Some great shots. Terry weir on the runway. Heathy one of the lads with the flag in Russia. Tony Morley being tony Morley Didn’t know spinksey didn’t have a clue about rimmer’s injury
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Not the greatest quality as I was taking pics of photos my dad took, but at least they're rarely seen!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/0ac_zps56a817f0.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/0ab_zpsffe27283.jpg)
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Some great shots. Terry weir on the runway. Heathy one of the lads with the flag in Russia. Tony Morley being tony Morley Didn’t know spinksey didn’t have a clue about rimmer’s injury
I have heard over the years that Jimmy Rimmer was always strapped up or on the treatment table but still played on match days. So if he was seriously struggling I'm guessing the majority of the squad just thought it was business as usual.
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Was still one of the most important players in villa’s history. He won us a league title- was immense
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Was still one of the most important players in villa’s history. He won us a league title- was immense
Absolutely. Some of the saves he made in the title winning season when you look at the DVD of the campaign were magnificent. He wasn't massive for a keeper either. Just bloody good.
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Villa's win tends to get overlooked a lot. It was nice to see a documentary that gave equal attention to our victory as it did to Liverpool/Forest. Villa's win is worthy of a full-length doc in its own right.
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I still think we would have won the league in 1976-77 with rimmer in goal rather than burridge
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Was still one of the most important players in villa’s history. He won us a league title- was immense
Absolutely. Some of the saves he made in the title winning season when you look at the DVD of the campaign were magnificent. He wasn't massive for a keeper either. Just bloody good.
The best I ever saw him make was in the home leg v Anderlecht, turning a close range shot over the bar. Going to Brussels with a clean sheet made a massive difference to us, both in terms of confidence and tactics.
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I was lucky enough to be at the final in Rotterdam, and thought the ITV4 programme was really nicely done.
Sadly, there doesn't seem to be a good deal of photographic footage of Rotterdam generally out there. There are just one or two long range shots of the Villa end to be found on the web, and I search for me and my cap (to no avail) amongst the thousands - I recall roughly where I was stood.
Yep ditto that. Watched it on my phone this eve thanks to a H&V parishioner sharing Villa Boy on Facebook.
I'm away at the moment but there is someone I can ask with a personal archive, I'm not sure if he was at the match.
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Villa's win tends to get overlooked a lot. It was nice to see a documentary that gave equal attention to our victory as it did to Liverpool/Forest. Villa's win is worthy of a full-length doc in its own right.
I respect every English victory in the European Cup, especially Liverpool and Chelsea having to play away to their opponents in the 1984 and 2012 finals. But the story of Forest from the second division in 1975 to 1979 and 1980 double European champions under Clough and the Villa story from third division to champions of Europe in ten years will surely never be matched.
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I was lucky enough to be at the final in Rotterdam, and thought the ITV4 programme was really nicely done.
Sadly, there doesn't seem to be a good deal of photographic footage of Rotterdam generally out there. There are just one or two long range shots of the Villa end to be found on the web, and I search for me and my cap (to no avail) amongst the thousands - I recall roughly where I was stood.
Yep ditto that. Watched it on my phone this eve thanks to a H&V parishioner sharing Villa Boy on Facebook.
I'm away at the moment but there is someone I can ask with a personal archive, I'm not sure if he was at the match.
I was an eleven year old in the front row of the top tier behind the goal we scored into. Quite central but just to the left of the goal. It was a very warm night. To this day, apart from the end I was in I am not sure who was where in the rest of the ground regarding Villa fans, Bayern fans and neutrals.
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Why were there so many empty seats? That's always what it looks like on the YouTube clips anyway.
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Why were there so many empty seats? That's always what it looks like on the YouTube clips anyway.
I think it was down to the recession and people's personal finances, football violence and football attendances in general around that time. But you are right, looking at the TV footage it seems quite empty compared to other European cup finals around those years.
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Pretty sure that after the trouble in Anderlecht we had ticket restrictions, and the reputation of English fans, especially ours at the time, probably put off a lot of locals going.
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Pretty sure that after the trouble in Anderlecht we had ticket restrictions, and the reputation of English fans, especially ours at the time, probably put off a lot of locals going.
My ID card for the game alongside my first travellers club ID card when I left school for the '87/'88 season's away games are still up on my mum's fridge! In five years I went from a bog standard mousy haired schoolboy look to a blonde mullet Joe Elliott from Def Leppard would have been proud of (although I thought it was more Paul Birch/Kevin Gage at the time).
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It was the recession. Nothing else. Hard times in Brum when a recession wasn't just for a year but three or four years.
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Anyone else remember this?
(https://i1.wp.com/www.myoldmansaid.com/wp-content/uploads/falklands-Aston-Villa-fan-cartoon-1982.jpg)
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Ha! I have a copy at home, stuck in an album sleeve. Which one I have no bloody idea. I'll let you know one day.
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Ha! I have a copy at home, stuck in an album sleeve. Which one I have no bloody idea. I'll let you know one day.
I have the plastic pennant commemorating the game that was handed out to everyone on the coaches hanging up in my living room alongside a framed picture of the sixteen players and Tony Barton with the cup (I think it was the pre season team pic for the following season) and next to it is a black and white framed pic of the 1957 FA cup winning team. I look forward to the day we win both trophies again and I can hang the two more up to date ones alongside them.
The match programme is somewhere at my parents house. It is written in German or Dutch, I can't remember which as I haven't dug it out for years.
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Somewhere i've got one of these from when my dad went to the away leg
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/sPwAAOSwWxNatnk7/s-l1600.jpg)
And also got a pennant he brought back Rotterdam and one I brought back from Madrid.
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The match programme is somewhere at my parents house. It is written in German or Dutch, I can't remember which as I haven't dug it out for years.
Is this it? Well it's obviously not your copy as I haven't been to their house.
(http://www.collectsoccer.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/e/c/ec1982.jpeg)
Or have I......
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There was a Dutch programme as well, which is pretty much permanently available on eBay for about fifteen quid. I've ummed and aahed about buying one because I don't know if they're reproductions.
One thing I do have from that night is my granddad's supporter's club card. I carry it with me everywhere. I showed it to Spinksy and Tony Morley on one of those after-dinner talks and they looked mildly embarrassed.
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The match programme is somewhere at my parents house. It is written in German or Dutch, I can't remember which as I haven't dug it out for years.
Is this it? Well it's obviously not your copy as I haven't been to their house.
(http://www.collectsoccer.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/e/c/ec1982.jpeg)
Or have I......
Yep, that is the one I have got somewhere. One silly little thing I seem to remember is that Alex Cropley was listed as one of our squad even though he had left a year or two previously.
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The white one is the UEFA edition and the other was printed by Feyenoord. The latter is, I beIieve, the rarer of the two.
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The match programme is somewhere at my parents house. It is written in German or Dutch, I can't remember which as I haven't dug it out for years.
Is this it? Well it's obviously not your copy as I haven't been to their house.
(http://www.collectsoccer.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/e/c/ec1982.jpeg)
Or have I......
My dad is a hoarder. If you wanted to successfully ransack the whole house, garage and shed you would ideally need to wait for them to go on something like a six week cruise to allow yourself enough time to get in and get out again. Also, be prepared for a degree of disappointment. What my dad thinks could be worth keeping and what actually has any real worth are often two very different things. Ironically, the only thing I think he ever managed to sell at a profit was a Sinclair C5, but that was only after it had been in the garage for twenty years and his next door neighbour was very keen to buy it as a toy for his grandson.
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I have the european cup tie that brian clough wore in the commentry box that memorable night it is blue ith the villa crest in the middle it is hanging in my bedroom and it reminds of our glory every night
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Somewhere i've got one of these from when my dad went to the away leg
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/sPwAAOSwWxNatnk7/s-l1600.jpg)
And also got a pennant he brought back Rotterdam and one I brought back from Madrid.
I’ve got that pennant, PWS. It’s rarer than hens teeth. There were only about 40 of us at the game, and I remember walking round the ground at half time, and buying it from a small shed selling souvenirs.
I’ve got the photo of the 40 of us in the lobby of the Holiday Inn in Krakow, where we stayed.
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I thought I knew everything there was to know about that night, even including who the referee was and the Bayern team, but I had no idea that Gary Newbon was sat on the Villa bench until I saw that.
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Why were there so many empty seats? That's always what it looks like on the YouTube clips anyway.
I think it was down to the recession and people's personal finances, football violence and football attendances in general around that time. But you are right, looking at the TV footage it seems quite empty compared to other European cup finals around those years.
I think Damo, PWS and Rudy nailed the main reasons, notably the recession and hooliganism, with falling attendances across the country. The recession had really kicked in by then and our poor league form meant gates were lower than the previous season.
Air travel was not affordable in 1982 so most people would have had to take a couple of days off work to travel on the club trains and coaches. Also, in theory you could only get a ticket and travel package from the club- no ticket only sales from UEFA or Feyenoord. In reality there were a few Dutch lads scattered around the Villa end (“tonight we are English”) and a coach load of lads went from the Crown &Cushion and got tickets. There was also a knot of Villa fans at the opposite end of the ground in the Bayern end.i have no idea how they got their tickets.
It would have been very hard for neutrals to buy a ticket for the game -UEFA absolutely wanted to avoid trouble and repeats of the scenes from Anderlecht. So the hangers on and locals who attend finals now could not go back then. A mate of mine who is a Wednesday fan was living in Holland at the time and pestered his dad to go (he was only 12) and he could only get tickets via some sponsors. So he, his brother and his dad were sat behind the goal with the Bayern fans and celebrated our win. We always joke that he has seen as many Villa trophies as Wednesday - all he has to show is the 1991 Rumbelows cup final v Manyoo.
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I don't think tickets could have been that hard to get. I used to go to home games on the Holte with three of my next door neighbours, a father and two sons. They all had season tickets but my dad used to give me the money to pay on a match to match basis until my first season ticket in the mid eighties. My neighbours were able to get tickets for the final for me and my dad (he is a bluenose but came to keep an eye on me as I was only eleven) despite neither of us having season tickets.
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The hooliganism aspect shouldn't be understated- when I went to Villa Park to get my tickets for the final I was interviewed by Dutch TV and asked if I had been at Anderlecht - I had been and gave my account of how the policing had been a bit over the top - the interviewer made it clear that the Dutch Police were expecting a bit of bovver between the German and English fans - as it turned out the Dutch Police handled it just right - due to the Dutch ambivalence towards Germans all the neutrals / locals were backing the Villa
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The hooliganism aspect shouldn't be understated- when I went to Villa Park to get my tickets for the final I was interviewed by Dutch TV and asked if I had been at Anderlecht - I had been and gave my account of how the policing had been a bit over the top - the interviewer made it clear that the Dutch Police were expecting a bit of bovver between the German and English fans - as it turned out the Dutch Police handled it just right - due to the Dutch ambivalence towards Germans all the neutrals / locals were backing the Villa
When I worked in Tenerife doing hotel entertainment the amount of guests was normally mostly Brits followed by Germans followed by the Dutch. From mixing with plenty of Dutch people and hearing their opinions of the race they called 'the squareheads', I think your term of 'Dutch ambivalence' is a very polite way to describe the Dutch people's feelings towards their neighbours.
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When we were in Hamburg we took 4 times as many as Ajax had done previously and the German police commented on what a load of throbbers Ajax had been compared to us.
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When we were in Hamburg we took 4 times as many as Ajax had done previously and the German police commented on what a load of throbbers Ajax had been compared to us.
What's that in English?
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The hooliganism aspect shouldn't be understated- when I went to Villa Park to get my tickets for the final I was interviewed by Dutch TV and asked if I had been at Anderlecht - I had been and gave my account of how the policing had been a bit over the top - the interviewer made it clear that the Dutch Police were expecting a bit of bovver between the German and English fans - as it turned out the Dutch Police handled it just right - due to the Dutch ambivalence towards Germans all the neutrals / locals were backing the Villa
When I worked in Tenerife doing hotel entertainment the amount of guests was normally mostly Brits followed by Germans followed by the Dutch. From mixing with plenty of Dutch people and hearing their opinions of the race they called 'the squareheads', I think your term of 'Dutch ambivalence' is a very polite way to describe the Dutch people's feelings towards their neighbours.
I have been visiting Nederland for over 40 years and have many good friends there - their dislike of the Germans stems ostensibly from the treatment they received when occupied in WW 2 by the Nazis
I regularly holiday in Winterswijk in the East of the country and close to the German border - speaking to locals who lived through the occupation gives you an insight to what were troubled and difficult times - as liberators the Brits are still held in high esteem
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My mate was working in Germany and went to Rotterdam and bought 6 tickets at the ground two weeks before for the Villa end. what's more he bought them speaking German!!!
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I was lucky enough to be at the final in Rotterdam, and thought the ITV4 programme was really nicely done.
Sadly, there doesn't seem to be a good deal of photographic footage of Rotterdam generally out there. There are just one or two long range shots of the Villa end to be found on the web, and I search for me and my cap (to no avail) amongst the thousands - I recall roughly where I was stood.
Yep ditto that. Watched it on my phone this eve thanks to a H&V parishioner sharing Villa Boy on Facebook.
I'm away at the moment but there is someone I can ask with a personal archive, I'm not sure if he was at the match.
I was an eleven year old in the front row of the top tier behind the goal we scored into. Quite central but just to the left of the goal. It was a very warm night. To this day, apart from the end I was in I am not sure who was where in the rest of the ground regarding Villa fans, Bayern fans and neutrals.
I was 8 Damo (I've presumed there can't have been many much younger than me) and a bit behind you. As has been pointed out the Dutch were obviously majorly pro-Villa, about the only European nation that love the Brits eh? My biggest memory of the goal celebration was the Dutch geezer in the row behind grabbing me in jubilation, and after checking I played football, telling me he wanted to his newborn to grow up to be like me!
Yeah I had no idea Newbon was on the bench. That moment of elbowing Spinsky, 'You're on mate'. Unbelievable!
The pennant given out on the way home. The good bunch on the coach including a Dessie Bremner's dad. Yes a very warm night, wearing just my vest and no doubt my Peter Withe sweatbands. Having to neck my fizzy pop we weren't allowed to bring in (we weren't used to being searched I think). As a kid does, promising myself if I joined in every single song in the second half (even the swear words) the we'd win. It worked! The distant but priceless glimmer of that trophy held aloft. Watching brought back a lot of memories.
I remember discussing how little trouble there'd been, and I think my Dad pointing out the state a lot of the villa were in on the way back, if we'd lost he wasn't so sure it would have been so peaceful...
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Top viewing. Remember my Dad (Wolves fan) watching it on TV with me and celebrating when we scored. The Gary Newbon bit about being on the bench was fascinating. My Dad disliked Newbon (not sure why) and we saw him at a Wolves game and he made me go and get his autograph as a piss take (although I think Newbon thought I was a genuine "fan" lol). I also got Tony Morley's autograph around that time on the back of a Benson & Hedges fag packet when we saw him watching some football at Beacon Park in Lichfield. I loved the Bayern player saying Villa weren't playing English football but European. What a team we had then and how overlooked Ron Saunders is as a manager.
Nostalgia ain't what it used to be but programs about football of this era remind me how football came with a threat of violence in those days. It turned a lot of people off football and kept them away.
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Why on earth did Ellis allow the team to be broken up so quickly.
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Why on earth did Ellis allow the team to be broken up so quickly.
This is not me, these are the words of Dennis Mortimer, and as such are beyond argument:
"The players didn't talk to Ellis, and it was a real strain to him that on away trips he had to keep his distance. He's always wanted to be loved and while we were there he couldn't have any affinity with the players. He wanted to be accepted and to do that he had to break up the loyalty of the players to the manager."
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Even my Lichfield Villains flag got an airing when they were showing the Kiev away game in Simferopol.
Was this the original flag lifted off a building site on Eastern Avenue?
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Even my Lichfield Villains flag got an airing when they were showing the Kiev away game in Simferopol.
Was this the original flag lifted off a building site on Eastern Avenue?
No mate, it was lifted off a building site on Boley Park by the Turnpike pub in about 1980 😜😜
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I remember a flag being liberated from it's pole
on the estate opposite the Dr. Johnson in the mid
70's. Nice to see you stuck with tradition.
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The white one is the UEFA edition and the other was printed by Feyenoord. The latter is, I beIieve, the rarer of the two.
I've got both. The unofficial one is littered with errors about our players.
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Why were there so many empty seats? That's always what it looks like on the YouTube clips anyway.
I think it was down to the recession and people's personal finances, football violence and football attendances in general around that time. But you are right, looking at the TV footage it seems quite empty compared to other European cup finals around those years.
I think Damo, PWS and Rudy nailed the main reasons, notably the recession and hooliganism, with falling attendances across the country. The recession had really kicked in by then and our poor league form meant gates were lower than the previous season.
Air travel was not affordable in 1982 so most people would have had to take a couple of days off work to travel on the club trains and coaches. Also, in theory you could only get a ticket and travel package from the club- no ticket only sales from UEFA or Feyenoord. In reality there were a few Dutch lads scattered around the Villa end (“tonight we are English”) and a coach load of lads went from the Crown &Cushion and got tickets. There was also a knot of Villa fans at the opposite end of the ground in the Bayern end.i have no idea how they got their tickets.
It would have been very hard for neutrals to buy a ticket for the game -UEFA absolutely wanted to avoid trouble and repeats of the scenes from Anderlecht. So the hangers on and locals who attend finals now could not go back then. A mate of mine who is a Wednesday fan was living in Holland at the time and pestered his dad to go (he was only 12) and he could only get tickets via some sponsors. So he, his brother and his dad were sat behind the goal with the Bayern fans and celebrated our win. We always joke that he has seen as many Villa trophies as Wednesday - all he has to show is the 1991 Rumbelows cup final v Manyoo.
I'm sure I remember there being talk at the time of ferry numbers being cut due to the military using them for the Falklands conflict (for freight etc.). Not sure if it affected the number of fans getting over there though.
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I remember a flag being liberated from it's pole
on the estate opposite the Dr. Johnson in the mid
70's. Nice to see you stuck with tradition.
In 1977 I liberated a flag from a Conservative Club in Huddersfield. (If I hadn't been so drunk I would never have climbed that flagpole).
Weeks later, it was liberated from me in Bilbao. (If I hadn't been so drunk those Bilbao fans would not have been able to take it from me so easily).
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My old Lions blog has a whole section devoted to pictures of this match sent to me by Christopher Barton. It is sadly no longer available. Cannot even find it on the Internet Archive.
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Found it! (http://web.archive.org/web/20120618062158/http://astonvilla.blogfootball.com/Lions/2005/06/12#a2058)
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Nice one Legion - some great memories right there in those photos
Not so sure about the Well Done from WUMPTY though - look at the front of the double decker bus
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Found it! (http://web.archive.org/web/20120618062158/http://astonvilla.blogfootball.com/Lions/2005/06/12#a2058)
Nice one Lee. Great to be able to read my old blog too, and even show my Son all the stuff I wrote when he was born!
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Really enjoyed both programmes but especially the second one! Brought back so many happy memories, still got all my supporters club documentation and the pennant, programme and ticket. I went with a mate from Darlington who wasn't a Villa fan, he asked if I fancied company and had no problem getting him a ticket.
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When we were in Hamburg we took 4 times as many as Ajax had done previously and the German police commented on what a load of throbbers Ajax had been compared to us.
What's that in English?
I'm not sure what you're struggling with to be honest. Hang on, let me get Google translate on.
When we was in 'omburg, we took lowds more than the Dutch fans of Eyeax dae we. Yet we behaved like porper mon dae we, no misbehaving. German police, they dae like the Dutch. Kept playing up dae they. Dow like the Gurmuns I dow reckon and Gurmuns feel the god same about Eyeax.
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What's "Goog;e" or "Ducth" "Like like" "porper" in English? ;)
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What's "Goog;e" or "Ducth" "Like like" "porper" in English? ;)
Behind every mediocre pen smith, there's a great editor. *hugs*
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You mean our supporters were better-behaved than Ajax's. Thank you.
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I'm not sure what you're struggling with to be honest. Hang on, let me get Google translate on.
When we was in 'omburg, we took lowds more than the Dutch fans of Eyeax dae we. Yet we behaved like porper mon dae we, no misbehaving. German police, they dae like the Dutch. Kept playing up dae they. Dow like the Gurmuns I dow reckon and Gurmuns feel the god same about Eyeax.
I didn’t know as well as being an expert in all things on this earth you also have a Masters in Twattish.
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You mean our supporters were better-behaved than Ajax's. Thank you.
I don't know. The Polis seemed to think as much.
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I'm not sure what you're struggling with to be honest. Hang on, let me get Google translate on.
When we was in 'omburg, we took lowds more than the Dutch fans of Eyeax dae we. Yet we behaved like porper mon dae we, no misbehaving. German police, they dae like the Dutch. Kept playing up dae they. Dow like the Gurmuns I dow reckon and Gurmuns feel the god same about Eyeax.
I didn’t know as well as being an expert in all things on this earth you also have a Masters in Twattish.
Have a day off.
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😮😎
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Found it! (http://web.archive.org/web/20120618062158/http://astonvilla.blogfootball.com/Lions/2005/06/12#a2058)
Great pictures spoilt slightly by the sight of an interloper in the dugout in Bucharest.
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Found it! (http://web.archive.org/web/20120618062158/http://astonvilla.blogfootball.com/Lions/2005/06/12#a2058)
Great pictures spoilt slightly by the sight of an interloper in the dugout in Bucharest.
Agreed, great photos.
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Great couple of programmes. Didn't realise it was only Spinks second appearance. Probably the greatest performance of a Villa player. Programme leaves you thinking about what ifs though, regarding Ron Saunders.
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Great couple of programmes. Didn't realise it was only Spinks second appearance. Probably the greatest performance of a Villa player. Programme leaves you thinking about what ifs though, regarding Ron Saunders.
Even if Saunders had stayed another year or two I'm sure eventually he would have had as much, if not more frustration with Doug as he did with the Bendalls and would probably have left in similar circumstances or been sacked.
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Yeah, you're probably right Damo. Doug would have probably broken up that team no matter who the manager was.
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Considering the desperate reputation of ITV Sport, the documentary was superb, it was worth noting that presenter Gabriel Clarke was also co-producer. In an age of hyperbole and bullshit on sports coverage this was both understated yet deeply powerful in it's coverage across all teams with bias towards any single one impossible to detect.
One of my most notable memories of 26th May 1982 was the empty chair next to me that day at school and hoping, rather selfishly, that Damo was off sick and not, as I feared with gathering jealousy, on the way to the Netherlands......
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Villa's win tends to get overlooked a lot. It was nice to see a documentary that gave equal attention to our victory as it did to Liverpool/Forest. Villa's win is worthy of a full-length doc in its own right.
I respect every English victory in the European Cup, especially Liverpool and Chelsea having to play away to their opponents in the 1984 and 2012 finals. But the story of Forest from the second division in 1975 to 1979 and 1980 double European champions under Clough and the Villa story from third division to champions of Europe in ten years will surely never be matched.
For me it's chelsea that stand apart from the rest as they never won the European Cup. The champions league has a lot more money involved but doesn't have the same prestige.