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Title: Play offs what if.....
Post by: wolfman999 on March 18, 2018, 02:06:33 PM
If we manage to stay in the playoffs, do we know if our loan players will still be eligible to play? My understanding, right or wrong, is that they were all on season long loans which by definition would end with the away game at Milwall as that is the last game of the season.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Legion on March 18, 2018, 02:08:15 PM
The season ends after the play-off final.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: wolfman999 on March 18, 2018, 02:10:04 PM
Phew.😅
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Brassneck on March 18, 2018, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: wolfman999 on March 18, 2018, 02:06:33 PM
If we manage to stay in the playoffs, do we know if our loan players will still be eligible to play? My understanding, right or wrong, is that they were all on season long loans which by definition would end with the away game at Milwall as that is the last game of the season.

If people are writing off our chances of bridging a 7 point gap between ourselves and Cardiff then by the same token, they should do the same with the 8 point gap between us and 7th place. It would take almighty runs by BOTH 6th & 7th placed teams to dislodge us from top 6 so play offs are a given as far as I'm concerned.

Players are on loan for the entire season which includes the play offs. Huddersfield had several loanees in their line up for the play off final last season.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: spangley1812 on March 18, 2018, 02:17:17 PM
I am presuming season ticket holders would need to buy a ticket for the home game of the play off semi final ?
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Steve67 on March 18, 2018, 02:19:38 PM
Get to the final and lose, or win, it doesn’t leave any manager a particularly long transfer window.  That said, win the final and you get maximum exposure, rather that than finish second?
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Brassneck on March 18, 2018, 02:24:09 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 18, 2018, 02:19:38 PM
Get to the final and lose, or win, it doesn’t leave any manager a particularly long transfer window.  That said, win the final and you get maximum exposure, rather that than finish second?

Winning the final is the best way to go up - The problem is that the odds are against you as it becomes a bit of a lottery.

I'd like to think that our players are best equipped for it, given their experience but you never can tell with them.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: London Villan on March 18, 2018, 02:38:10 PM
Have any of the semi-final play off dates been announced?
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Villafirst on March 18, 2018, 02:41:39 PM
Kodjia will score the winner in the play-off final is my prediction! If Kodjia and Grealish had been fit most of the season we'd be in at least second place by now. We've been cursed with injury once again....
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 18, 2018, 02:54:19 PM
Quote from: London Villan on March 18, 2018, 02:38:10 PM
Have any of the semi-final play off dates been announced?

Nope but they usually start about a week after the season ends. Last year the season ended on May 7th and the play-offs started on the 13th.

For an omen the final is May 26th.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 18, 2018, 03:00:02 PM
Despite expecting us to be automatically promoted I've always had this image of Appleyard lifting the trophy at Wembley come May.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Ads on March 18, 2018, 03:04:31 PM
Are both ties mid-week or are they one on a weekend and the second leg mid week?
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Brassneck on March 18, 2018, 03:08:56 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 18, 2018, 03:04:31 PM
Are both ties mid-week or are they one on a weekend and the second leg mid week?

I believe that one leg will be the Saturday after Millwall and the second leg will be the following Wednesday.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: UK Redsox on March 18, 2018, 03:20:50 PM
Quote from: Brassneck on March 18, 2018, 03:08:56 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 18, 2018, 03:04:31 PM
Are both ties mid-week or are they one on a weekend and the second leg mid week?

I believe that one leg will be the Saturday after Millwall and the second leg will be the following Wednesday.

This is acceptable. I currently have nothing planned for those dates.

However, if Villa are in the Championship play-off final, the club and EFL will have to change the planned date because that's the weekend of Cardiff PsychFest.

Moving the game to Cardiff would also be OK
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Richard E on March 18, 2018, 03:23:43 PM
I don't care where Cardiff play Fulham in the play-off final, or when, as long as it doesn't clash with our automatic promotion parade.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: spangley1812 on March 18, 2018, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: London Villan on March 18, 2018, 02:38:10 PM
Have any of the semi-final play off dates been announced?

Date

Championship (A) 1st Leg

Friday 11 May 2018

Championship (B) 1st Leg

Saturday 12 May 2018

Championship (A) 2nd Leg

Monday 14 May 2018

Championship (B) 2nd Leg

Tues 15 May 2018
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: footyskillz on March 18, 2018, 03:44:10 PM
Quote from: Brassneck on March 18, 2018, 02:24:09 PM
Quote from: Newby on March 18, 2018, 02:19:38 PM
Get to the final and lose, or win, it doesn’t leave any manager a particularly long transfer window.  That said, win the final and you get maximum exposure, rather that than finish second?

Winning the final is the best way to go up - The problem is that the odds are against you as it becomes a bit of a lottery.

I'd like to think that our players are best equipped for it, given their experience but you never can tell with them.

I don't see play offs as a lottery but understand people view as such. This I guess is mainly due to factors such as luck and chance. Not only this but the fact penalties could be used to decide outcome. 
It was Reading a pen kick away from being in Prem not Huddersfield last season


 However the teams in play off earn right to be there and it depends on organisation and nerve as much as anything else. Consistency and momentum is what brought any team in to the 3rd to 6th places in league .(ahead of finishing lower)  There of course is quality  players in team  that finish in these playoff places. Maybe too some luck or bad luck in injuries and results or fixture runs / changes.

I see play offs as high pressure stakes and the  biggest matches of the season.

The tension watching though would be very high and due to expectations this could hinder.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: appyarryampton on March 18, 2018, 04:25:58 PM
The play offs are definitely a lottery.
In fact how often does the third placed team go up?
It is just like the league cup semi's and final - Anyone remember Bradford?
I think the third place team are often subconsciously gutted they never made the top two.
If we go through the play offs we are better having a blip now and maybe winning the last 5 games so we are in form rather than accumulating points through inconsistency and scraping third/fourth place.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 18, 2018, 04:32:52 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on March 18, 2018, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: London Villan on March 18, 2018, 02:38:10 PM
Have any of the semi-final play off dates been announced?

Date

Championship (A) 1st Leg

Friday 11 May 2018

Championship (B) 1st Leg

Saturday 12 May 2018

Championship (A) 2nd Leg

Monday 14 May 2018

Championship (B) 2nd Leg

Tues 15 May 2018

I bet we get the sodding Friday night game.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Richard E on March 18, 2018, 04:34:11 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on March 18, 2018, 04:32:52 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on March 18, 2018, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: London Villan on March 18, 2018, 02:38:10 PM
Have any of the semi-final play off dates been announced?

Date

Championship (A) 1st Leg

Friday 11 May 2018

Championship (B) 1st Leg

Saturday 12 May 2018

Championship (A) 2nd Leg

Monday 14 May 2018

Championship (B) 2nd Leg

Tues 15 May 2018

I bet we get the sodding Friday night game.

Away to Middlesbrough.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 18, 2018, 04:41:40 PM
Could be Mill wall away twice in a week, which is nice .
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 18, 2018, 04:42:00 PM
It bloody will be Millwall or Middlesbrough won't it? Hoping for Preston as it's the only ground that I won't have been to among teams in the top ten.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: spangley1812 on March 18, 2018, 05:07:58 PM
And the Final is on Sat 26/05/2018
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Gareth on March 18, 2018, 05:12:01 PM
I have this horrible vision of being sat at Wembley watching Traore run the length of the pitch at break neck speed to score ‘the most valuable goal’

Think I’ll keep hoping for a Cardiff implosion :-)
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 18, 2018, 06:17:54 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on March 18, 2018, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: London Villan on March 18, 2018, 02:38:10 PM
Have any of the semi-final play off dates been announced?

Date

Championship (A) 1st Leg

Friday 11 May 2018

Championship (B) 1st Leg

Saturday 12 May 2018

Championship (A) 2nd Leg

Monday 14 May 2018

Championship (B) 2nd Leg

Tues 15 May 2018


So as I thought 3 day turnaround.

Not hugely promising given how we struggled v QPR and SB is hardly going to make too many changes given what is at stake in the games.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: levico on March 18, 2018, 06:30:55 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on March 18, 2018, 05:07:58 PM
And the Final is on Sat 26/05/2018

How does that work then? Aren’t the League 1&2 finals on the Saturday and Sunday?
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: spangley1812 on March 18, 2018, 06:35:06 PM
Quote from: levico on March 18, 2018, 06:30:55 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on March 18, 2018, 05:07:58 PM
And the Final is on Sat 26/05/2018

How does that work then? Aren’t the League 1&2 finals on the Saturday and Sunday?

They have swopped them around this year due to the World Cup
League 1 on the Sunday and League 2 on Bank Holiday Monday
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Tugby Villain on March 18, 2018, 08:13:41 PM
Quote from: spangley1812 on March 18, 2018, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: London Villan on March 18, 2018, 02:38:10 PM
Have any of the semi-final play off dates been announced?

Date

Championship (A) 1st Leg

Friday 11 May 2018

Championship (B) 1st Leg

Saturday 12 May 2018

Championship (A) 2nd Leg

Monday 14 May 2018

Championship (B) 2nd Leg

Tues 15 May 2018

BUM!!!  Need us to be in the A Leg, as I'm reffing a Cup Final on the Tuesday! 
Is the A Leg 3rd vs 6th or 4th vs 5th?
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Richard on March 18, 2018, 08:53:08 PM
Based solely on last season Fulham (6th) v Reading (3rd) was the first game
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: eamonn on March 18, 2018, 10:07:22 PM
The Championship should get the flagship Bank Holiday Monday slot surely?
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Richard on March 18, 2018, 10:15:01 PM
It does usually but annoyingly it's first up this time to give potential World Cup players more time before the tournament begins.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 19, 2018, 08:18:59 AM
I'd rather it was first up. If we make it, we can drown our sorrows or celebrate properly that way, without having to worry about work the next day. Plus it decreases the chances of the Aussie/Icelandic/Egyptian manager trying to declare our players unavailable so they can go off with their national teams in advance of the World Cup.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 19, 2018, 09:17:01 AM
Quote from: Richard on March 18, 2018, 10:15:01 PM
It does usually but annoyingly it's first up this time to give potential World Cup players more time before the
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 19, 2018, 09:21:16 AM
Last season it was on a Bank Holiday Monday, as it usually is in non-World Cup/Euro seasons.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: ironmaidenmania on March 19, 2018, 12:04:35 PM
Need us to be the A game as I'm seeing Foreigner on the Tuesday. Glad they moved the final to Saturday because if they are in it I'll get to see it, but if he had been the Bank holiday Monday I would have missed it.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 19, 2018, 12:09:20 PM
Quote from: eamonn on March 18, 2018, 10:07:22 PM
The Championship should get the flagship Bank Holiday Monday slot surely?



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Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 19, 2018, 12:33:33 PM
I watched highlights of Kodjia last night just to cheer myself up. What a difference maker he is and he could be the key factor if in May we are having to do this via the playoffs which seems very likely now.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: andyaston on March 19, 2018, 12:37:36 PM
Quote from: Gareth on March 18, 2018, 05:12:01 PM
I have this horrible vision of being sat at Wembley watching Traore run the length of the pitch at break neck speed to score ‘the most valuable goal’

Think I’ll keep hoping for a Cardiff implosion :-)
That has been a worry to me as well, he is the most horrible player in a Villa shirt he just never wanted to pass to any of his team mates.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 19, 2018, 12:50:25 PM
I feel sick just thinking about the play offs.
It’s going to be gut wrenching.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: LukeJames on March 19, 2018, 12:59:04 PM
Quote from: andyaston on March 19, 2018, 12:37:36 PM
Quote from: Gareth on March 18, 2018, 05:12:01 PM
I have this horrible vision of being sat at Wembley watching Traore run the length of the pitch at break neck speed to score ‘the most valuable goal’

Think I’ll keep hoping for a Cardiff implosion :-)
That has been a worry to me as well, he is the most horrible player in a Villa shirt he just never wanted to pass to any of his team mates.
He would run the length of the pitch, round the keeper and slice it into the stands. The daft haired bastard.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: rougegorge on March 19, 2018, 01:01:25 PM
Quote from: appyarryampton on March 18, 2018, 04:25:58 PM
The play offs are definitely a lottery.
In fact how often does the third placed team go up?
It is just like the league cup semi's and final - Anyone remember Bradford?
I think the third place team are often subconsciously gutted they never made the top two.
If we go through the play offs we are better having a blip now and maybe winning the last 5 games so we are in form rather than accumulating points through inconsistency and scraping third/fourth place.

Over the years of the play-offs finishing 3rd is statistically the best place to be to get promoted

Positions of clubs promoted via play-offs:

Pos   Ch.   L1   L2   Total   %age
3rd    10   9   13   32   36.78%
4th    6   7   5   18   20.69%
5th    8   5   4   17   19.54%
6th    5   8   7   20   22.99%
               
League 2 is 4th to 7th                

Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 19, 2018, 01:03:43 PM
Yes it's always played on Saturdays when there's a tournament in the summer. Think Champions league final is cut off for domestic season.

If we played on the Monday we'd have to negotiate with national teams to get AEM, Jedinak and Bjarni playing as by the rules of Fifa they'd be within their rights not to release them from training camps.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 19, 2018, 01:15:08 PM
Defeatist talk about the play offs at this stage.
I refuse to say a single word on this thread while automatic promotion is still possible. 



Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Malandro on March 19, 2018, 04:24:56 PM
Quote from: Richard E on March 18, 2018, 03:23:43 PM
I don't care where Cardiff play Fulham in the play-off final, or when, as long as it doesn't clash with our automatic promotion parade.

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Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: AV82EC on March 19, 2018, 04:30:33 PM
Well if it’s the play offs and we get to the final I’ll be on a train between Venice and Rome. Hhmmmm.....
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 19, 2018, 06:38:14 PM
Quote from: AV82EC on March 19, 2018, 04:30:33 PM
Well if it’s the play offs and we get to the final I’ll be on a train between Venice and Rome. Hhmmmm.....
KO time?
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: AV82EC on March 19, 2018, 06:49:34 PM
Normally 3pm?
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on March 19, 2018, 06:52:24 PM
It's the same day as the Champions League final so I'd guess 3pm KO.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: preston28 on March 19, 2018, 06:53:30 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on March 18, 2018, 04:42:00 PM
It bloody will be Millwall or Middlesbrough won't it? Hoping for Preston as it's the only ground that I won't have been to among teams in the top ten.

And that has a stand for 6000 away fans!
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Ayup on March 19, 2018, 09:57:31 PM
Quote from: preston28 on March 19, 2018, 06:53:30 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on March 18, 2018, 04:42:00 PM
It bloody will be Millwall or Middlesbrough won't it? Hoping for Preston as it's the only ground that I won't have been to among teams in the top ten.

And that has a stand for 6000 away fans!
Hope it’s Millwall.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 20, 2018, 05:12:34 PM
Fuck. I am due to head off on holiday the day before the play off final. I haven't broken this news to the wife yet. No point starting an argument until it is absolutely necessary.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 20, 2018, 09:16:03 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on March 20, 2018, 05:12:34 PM
Fuck. I am due to head off on holiday the day before the play off final. I haven't broken this news to the wife yet. No point starting an argument until it is absolutely necessary.

At least you won't be wearing the John Terry Shirt. I don't think the criteria for forfeit will be met?
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 20, 2018, 10:56:10 PM
Play 30 games and we get promoted was the terms as I recall. Go up in the play offs and I am bollocksed.
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 21, 2018, 05:14:44 AM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on March 20, 2018, 05:12:34 PM
Fuck. I am due to head off on holiday the day before the play off final. I haven't broken this news to the wife yet. No point starting an argument until it is absolutely necessary.
So you are going to wait until after the semi final to cancel your holiday?
Or not turn up on your holiday?
I am sure your wife will understand  :o
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: VinnieChase84 on March 21, 2018, 06:56:19 AM
The play off final is the same date as our European cup win. It’s fate
Kodjia to score the winner
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: amfy on March 21, 2018, 09:27:37 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on March 21, 2018, 06:56:19 AM
The play off final is the same date as our European cup win. It’s fate
Kodjia to score the winner

Off his shin? I am more worried about who will end up in goal!
Title: Re: Play offs what if.....
Post by: Richard E on March 21, 2018, 09:32:18 AM
Quote from: amfy on March 21, 2018, 09:27:37 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on March 21, 2018, 06:56:19 AM
The play off final is the same date as our European cup win. It’s fate
Kodjia to score the winner

Off his shin? I am more worried about who will end up in goal!

Jimmy Rimmer will come on after about 8 minutes and have a blinder, to complete the circle.
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