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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on February 23, 2018, 10:11:32 AM
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Just listened to Bruce's press conference.
Axel - out tomorrow, hamstring.
Grabban - doubtful, groin strain.
Grealish - out.
Adomah - out.
Davis - doubtful, twisted ankle.
Snodgrass - should be okay.
FFS, when will it end.
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There is something seriously wrong at Villa Park/Bodymoor Heath especially when they can't get senior players fit over a long period of time - I'm talking about Agbonlahor and Richards here - whilst their attitudes are poor they should at least be fit and ready to play if called upon albeit for one or two games or the bench
Shame on the fitness coaches and manager
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Shame on the coaches and manager? That’s an odd thing to say. Are you suggesting that they in some way have created this situation? How would they have done that?
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There is something seriously wrong at Villa Park/Bodymoor Heath especially when they can't get senior players fit over a long period of time - I'm talking about Agbonlahor and Richards here - whilst their attitudes are poor they should at least be fit and ready to play if called upon albeit for one or two games or the bench
Shame on the fitness coaches and manager
Yes shame on the fitness coach and manager, if they don't get them to run around and put tackles in then they won't get injured.
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At least it will force him to include Hepburn and O'Hare.
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Shame on the coaches and manager? That’s an odd thing to say. Are you suggesting that they in some way have created this situation? How would they have done that?
Maybe the training regime is not fit for purpose
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What I find concerning is how often young players breaking through seem to spend long periods being unavailable.
Whereas in the past once the youngsters broke into the team they would allways seem to be playing.
Are they over played, over trained?
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Wasn't there backlash from a number of players during the transition from DiMatteo to Bruce about the intensity of training? There were some comments from Gollini at the very least if I remember correctly. "Shame on the coaches and manager" is a bit much, but at the same time there is something not right with the way we're doing conditioning. I suspect, from hearing about several players wanting to put extra hours in by themselves after training, there is a culture of overtime developing too - where the manager will reward the extra effort with more game time. Unfortunately the logic of that is very questionable.
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No, it was under Houllier.
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Wasn't there backlash from a number of players during the transition from DiMatteo to Bruce about the intensity of training? There were some comments from Gollini at the very least if I remember correctly. "Shame on the coaches and manager" is a bit much, but at the same time there is something not right with the way we're doing conditioning. I suspect, from hearing about several players wanting to put extra hours in by themselves after training, there is a culture of overtime developing too - where the manager will reward the extra effort with more game time. Unfortunately the logic of that is very questionable.
You mean it's questionable to reward extra effort?
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Wasn't there backlash from a number of players during the transition from DiMatteo to Bruce about the intensity of training? There were some comments from Gollini at the very least if I remember correctly. "Shame on the coaches and manager" is a bit much, but at the same time there is something not right with the way we're doing conditioning. I suspect, from hearing about several players wanting to put extra hours in by themselves after training, there is a culture of overtime developing too - where the manager will reward the extra effort with more game time. Unfortunately the logic of that is very questionable.
You mean it's questionable to reward extra effort?
No, I mean the logic of giving somebody 90 mins of game time when they've been wearing themselves out on the training pitches all week is ultimately counterintuitive and definitely going to result in injuries. There's a reason training is a few hours each morning and then the players get the rest of the day either for recovery or relaxation. It's of course up to them if they want to stay out on the pitches, but probably not ideal when you add it all up.
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Wasn't there backlash from a number of players during the transition from DiMatteo to Bruce about the intensity of training? There were some comments from Gollini at the very least if I remember correctly. "Shame on the coaches and manager" is a bit much, but at the same time there is something not right with the way we're doing conditioning. I suspect, from hearing about several players wanting to put extra hours in by themselves after training, there is a culture of overtime developing too - where the manager will reward the extra effort with more game time. Unfortunately the logic of that is very questionable.
You mean it's questionable to reward extra effort?
No, I mean the logic of giving somebody 90 mins of game time when they've been wearing themselves out on the training pitches all week is ultimately counterintuitive and definitely going to result in injuries. There's a reason training is a few hours each morning and then the players get the rest of the day either for recovery or relaxation. It's of course up to them if they want to stay out on the pitches, but probably not ideal when you add it all up.
Somehow, I think the manager and coaching staff might know a bit more about the fitness levels of our players and their recovery times than some random bloke who hears something on the internet.
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Wasn't there backlash from a number of players during the transition from DiMatteo to Bruce about the intensity of training? There were some comments from Gollini at the very least if I remember correctly. "Shame on the coaches and manager" is a bit much, but at the same time there is something not right with the way we're doing conditioning. I suspect, from hearing about several players wanting to put extra hours in by themselves after training, there is a culture of overtime developing too - where the manager will reward the extra effort with more game time. Unfortunately the logic of that is very questionable.
You mean it's questionable to reward extra effort?
No, I mean the logic of giving somebody 90 mins of game time when they've been wearing themselves out on the training pitches all week is ultimately counterintuitive and definitely going to result in injuries. There's a reason training is a few hours each morning and then the players get the rest of the day either for recovery or relaxation. It's of course up to them if they want to stay out on the pitches, but probably not ideal when you add it all up.
Somehow, I think the manager and coaching staff might know a bit more about the fitness levels of our players and their recovery times than some random bloke who hears something on the internet.
Still on top form Mr Woodhall. So you think we shouldn't have opinions about things because we're not on staff? Your online journalism would seem to suggest otherwise.
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You're entitled to your opinion, but then its entitled to be rubbished if you've go no evidence to back it up.
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Wasn't there backlash from a number of players during the transition from DiMatteo to Bruce about the intensity of training? There were some comments from Gollini at the very least if I remember correctly. "Shame on the coaches and manager" is a bit much, but at the same time there is something not right with the way we're doing conditioning. I suspect, from hearing about several players wanting to put extra hours in by themselves after training, there is a culture of overtime developing too - where the manager will reward the extra effort with more game time. Unfortunately the logic of that is very questionable.
You mean it's questionable to reward extra effort?
No, I mean the logic of giving somebody 90 mins of game time when they've been wearing themselves out on the training pitches all week is ultimately counterintuitive and definitely going to result in injuries. There's a reason training is a few hours each morning and then the players get the rest of the day either for recovery or relaxation. It's of course up to them if they want to stay out on the pitches, but probably not ideal when you add it all up.
Somehow, I think the manager and coaching staff might know a bit more about the fitness levels of our players and their recovery times than some random bloke who hears something on the internet.
Still on top form Mr Woodhall. So you think we shouldn't have opinions about things because we're not on staff? Your online journalism would seem to suggest otherwise.
If I was on top form I'd say you were talking bollocks and follow it up by saying how incredibly tedious it is when someone comes back on here and thinks I shouldn't disagree with them.
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They should all be back soon at least
I’m expecting another big push when jack and Albert are back
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Every time an opposition player is listed as doubtful, they play against us. Whereas when our players are doubtful they miss the game.
Ron Vlaar was the worst, he seemed to miss months with minor injuries.
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Just listened to Bruce's press conference.
Axel - out tomorrow, hamstring.
Grabban - doubtful, groin strain.
Grealish - out.
Adomah - out.
Davis - doubtful, twisted ankle.
Snodgrass - should be okay.
FFS, when will it end.
Elmo will come back in at right back so no worries there but as for the rest. Green is out too. Gabby and McCormack up front it is.
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Tony Morley is out with a knee injury too.
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Tony Morley is out with a knee injury too.
Has Bruce or the coaches been blamed for that yet?
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There is something seriously wrong at Villa Park/Bodymoor Heath especially when they can't get senior players fit over a long period of time - I'm talking about Agbonlahor and Richards here - whilst their attitudes are poor they should at least be fit and ready to play if called upon albeit for one or two games or the bench
Shame on the fitness coaches and manager
Yes shame on the fitness coach and manager, if they don't get them to run around and put tackles in then they won't get injured.
Look at my post again - l am referring to fitness not injuries and specifically to two individuals - senior players who should be fit and available for selection if required
Whilst I'm no soft tissue/ musculoskeletal skeletal expert I know enough to question why our players ,particularly the younger ones are regularly picking up hamstring injuries -are they warming up sufficiently before training/ playing or being overstretched in training?
It is easy to put a spate of injuries down to bad luck but where a pattern emerges surely it is sensible to analyse the situation and remedy it -
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Micah Richards knees are gone. He said so himself.
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Micah Richards knees are gone. He said so himself.
That being the case he should be "retired under medical grounds" and an insurance claim submitted - assuming we insured him when we took him on board- if he wasn't that's yet another example of the gross mismanagement this club has displayed over the last few years- if on the other hand we couldn't get him insured was he given a stringent medical before we handed him such a generous contract? We've made some poor decisions in the past but signing Richards ranks as one of the worst - due diligence was certainly not exercised before buying him .......but he is a fun guy to have around the club .....fuck me I'd be the happiest guy on this planet if someone paid me thousands a week for just showing up
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Wasn't there backlash from a number of players during the transition from DiMatteo to Bruce about the intensity of training? There were some comments from Gollini at the very least if I remember correctly. "Shame on the coaches and manager" is a bit much, but at the same time there is something not right with the way we're doing conditioning. I suspect, from hearing about several players wanting to put extra hours in by themselves after training, there is a culture of overtime developing too - where the manager will reward the extra effort with more game time. Unfortunately the logic of that is very questionable.
To be honest, I wouldn't have thought any extra training done by players would be overly exerting. I would guess any on the field stuff would mainly be technical work such as set pieces or finishing and any conditional work would be agreed and programmed by fitness staff at the club.
Getting a lot of injuries is always bad, but to have so many at a key juncture of the season is a terrible blow.
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Micah Richards knees are gone. He said so himself.
That being the case he should be "retired under medical grounds" and an insurance claim submitted - assuming we insured him when we took him on board- if he wasn't that's yet another example of the gross mismanagement this club has displayed over the last few years- if on the other hand we couldn't get him insured was he given a stringent medical before we handed him such a generous contract? We've made some poor decisions in the past but signing Richards ranks as one of the worst - due diligence was certainly not exercised before buying him .......but he is a fun guy to have around the club .....fuck me I'd be the happiest guy on this planet if someone paid me thousands a week for just showing up
You can criticise the signing all you like, but have a look back at his thread. There was general agreement that he'd started off well then not a word until the end of November, so whatever 'due diligence' (whatever that might mean in a player context) was done it's hardly the fault of the club that he went off the rails over three months into the season. And I doubt very much that a player would ever be signed without being insured.
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Micah Richards knees are gone. He said so himself.
That being the case he should be "retired under medical grounds" and an insurance claim submitted - assuming we insured him when we took him on board- if he wasn't that's yet another example of the gross mismanagement this club has displayed over the last few years- if on the other hand we couldn't get him insured was he given a stringent medical before we handed him such a generous contract? We've made some poor decisions in the past but signing Richards ranks as one of the worst - due diligence was certainly not exercised before buying him .......but he is a fun guy to have around the club .....fuck me I'd be the happiest guy on this planet if someone paid me thousands a week for just showing up
You can criticise the signing all you like, but have a look back at his thread. There was general agreement that he'd started off well then not a word until the end of November, so whatever 'due diligence' (whatever that might mean in a player context) was done it's hardly the fault of the club that he went off the rails over three months into the season. And I doubt very much that a player would ever be signed without being insured.
Taking your last comment first - if the player himself admits his knees are shot and he is unable to play further I would like to think the club's legal advisers are having conversations with the club's insurers.
Due diligence in context of players ? Simple - make enquiries about the player - his history of injuries, attitude, mentality etc
I'm not blaming the club for him " going off the rails" however I would expect some signs that the club are either attempting to get him fit (Bruce stated he would be considered if he ever got fit)- no intimation that he was finished - Or making a claim from the insurer should Richards claim be factual
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Micah Richards knees are gone. He said so himself.
That being the case he should be "retired under medical grounds" and an insurance claim submitted - assuming we insured him when we took him on board- if he wasn't that's yet another example of the gross mismanagement this club has displayed over the last few years- if on the other hand we couldn't get him insured was he given a stringent medical before we handed him such a generous contract? We've made some poor decisions in the past but signing Richards ranks as one of the worst - due diligence was certainly not exercised before buying him .......but he is a fun guy to have around the club .....fuck me I'd be the happiest guy on this planet if someone paid me thousands a week for just showing up
You can criticise the signing all you like, but have a look back at his thread. There was general agreement that he'd started off well then not a word until the end of November, so whatever 'due diligence' (whatever that might mean in a player context) was done it's hardly the fault of the club that he went off the rails over three months into the season. And I doubt very much that a player would ever be signed without being insured.
Taking your last comment first - if the player himself admits his knees are shot and he is unable to play further I would like to think the club's legal advisers are having conversations with the club's insurers.
Due diligence in context of players ? Simple - make enquiries about the player - his history of injuries, attitude, mentality etc
I'm not blaming the club for him " going off the rails" however I would expect some signs that the club are either attempting to get him fit (Bruce stated he would be considered if he ever got fit)- no intimation that he was finished - Or making a claim from the insurer should Richards claim be factual
You've completely changed tack there. First you said what a bad decision it was to sign him and did we check him out beforehand. I said that he would have had to undergo a medical and be insured, and also pointed out that he started off well with us so it was hardly one of the worst decisions the club have ever made. That has nothing to do with his fitness almost three years down the line.
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They should all be back soon at least
I’m expecting another big push when jack and Albert are back
How soon are we looking at?
It'a a real shame this happened now, I know the squad should be able to cope etc but we'd got a really good settled side firing on all cylinders so it's very frustrating.
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I wouldn’t imagine insurance companies cover anything like today’s player values in terms of potential payouts. They probably demand a huge excess at the very least. Unless he’s completely written off as officially retired is the reason I’m guessing there would be no claim. And he probably doesn’t want to do that with the thick end £50k a week into his pocket for another 18 months.
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Injuries are injuries. End of. The alternative to resting players with injuries is to let them have free rein to go to - for example - the ACN against the advice of our coaches and come back crocked for a whole season.
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Is our physio still the same bloke who took 6 weeks to get Ron Vlaar fit everytime he had a calf injury?
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I read somewhere Wednesday have as many as 16 players unavailable through injury, so at least tomorrow we can't make any excuses regarding our injuries.
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Injuries are injuries. End of. The alternative to resting players with injuries is to let them have free rein to go to - for example - the ACN against the advice of our coaches and come back crocked for a whole season.
If you mean Kodjia, we couldn't stop him.
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I've questioned whether we've had anyone fitness related at BMH for years.
I just hope this doesn't knock us completely sideways and we end up hanging on to a play off place.
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I'd fancy us to beat anyone in the play offs with the team that started v Blues, I can't believe we won't at least finish Top 6
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Micah Richards knees are gone. He said so himself.
That being the case he should be "retired under medical grounds" and an insurance claim submitted - assuming we insured him when we took him on board- if he wasn't that's yet another example of the gross mismanagement this club has displayed over the last few years- if on the other hand we couldn't get him insured was he given a stringent medical before we handed him such a generous contract? We've made some poor decisions in the past but signing Richards ranks as one of the worst - due diligence was certainly not exercised before buying him .......but he is a fun guy to have around the club .....fuck me I'd be the happiest guy on this planet if someone paid me thousands a week for just showing up
You can criticise the signing all you like, but have a look back at his thread. There was general agreement that he'd started off well then not a word until the end of November, so whatever 'due diligence' (whatever that might mean in a player context) was done it's hardly the fault of the club that he went off the rails over three months into the season. And I doubt very much that a player would ever be signed without being insured.
Taking your last comment first - if the player himself admits his knees are shot and he is unable to play further I would like to think the club's legal advisers are having conversations with the club's insurers.
Due diligence in context of players ? Simple - make enquiries about the player - his history of injuries, attitude, mentality etc
I'm not blaming the club for him " going off the rails" however I would expect some signs that the club are either attempting to get him fit (Bruce stated he would be considered if he ever got fit)- no intimation that he was finished - Or making a claim from the insurer should Richards claim be factual
You've completely changed tack there. First you said what a bad decision it was to sign him and did we check him out beforehand. I said that he would have had to undergo a medical and be insured, and also pointed out that he started off well with us so it was hardly one of the worst decisions the club have ever made. That has nothing to do with his fitness almost three years down the line.
Changed tack ? Hardly
It's all a question of opinion - mine is that he has hardly set the place on fire and has not "appeared" to have had the will to get himself fit to warrant his extremely generous wage - at any time over the last 24 months or so- it depends how you view decisions made by the club - those that stick in my mind are the likes of Stas, Neale Cooper , Balaban et al -it happens I guess even with the more successful clubs.
Whether you agree or not I don't care but for me the likes of him and Agbonlahor have taken the club and fans for mugs over the past couple of years - but this is modern football with long and lucrative contracts whether you play or not - if we fail to go up this season the drain on resources will hamper our attempts to return to the elite
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Changed tack ? Hardly
It's all a question of opinion - mine is that he has hardly set the place on fire and has not "appeared" to have had the will to get himself fit to warrant his extremely generous wage - at any time over the last 24 months or so- it depends how you view decisions made by the club - those that stick in my mind are the likes of Stas, Neale Cooper , Balaban et al -it happens I guess even with the more successful clubs.
Whether you agree or not I don't care but for me the likes of him and Agbonlahor have taken the club and fans for mugs over the past couple of years - but this is modern football with long and lucrative contracts whether you play or not - if we fail to go up this season the drain on resources will hamper our attempts to return to the elite
You started by saying that the signing was one of the worst decisions the club had ever made and talked about the lack of thought that went into it, then when I said that it seemed fine at first you went on to talk about the current situation. What's that if not changing tack, or possibly moving the goalposts?
For the last two and a bit years Micah Richards has been an absolute disgrace of a footballer. That's not open to any debate at all. But his signing and the first three months of his time with Villa are different entirely and nobody then can be blamed for the way it turned out.
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Changed tack ? Hardly
It's all a question of opinion - mine is that he has hardly set the place on fire and has not "appeared" to have had the will to get himself fit to warrant his extremely generous wage - at any time over the last 24 months or so- it depends how you view decisions made by the club - those that stick in my mind are the likes of Stas, Neale Cooper , Balaban et al -it happens I guess even with the more successful clubs.
Whether you agree or not I don't care but for me the likes of him and Agbonlahor have taken the club and fans for mugs over the past couple of years - but this is modern football with long and lucrative contracts whether you play or not - if we fail to go up this season the drain on resources will hamper our attempts to return to the elite
You started by saying that the signing was one of the worst decisions the club had ever made and talked about the lack of thought that went into it, then when I said that it seemed fine at first you went on to talk about the current situation. What's that if not changing tack, or possibly moving the goalposts?
For the last two and a bit years Micah Richards has been an absolute disgrace of a footballer. That's not open to any debate at all. But his signing and the first three months of his time with Villa are different entirely and nobody then can be blamed for the way it turned out.
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it's called moving the conversation on :)
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Most people were genuinely excited by him signing for us at the time especially on a free.
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Injuries are just luck. Not fair or down to training normally, just random. If you buy a load of known injury prone players then obviously that's a bad policy but i wouldn't say we have gone down that route recently. Be someone else next week.
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In the case of Richards and Gabby I wonder if both of them are now suffering from bulking up so much from an early age.
I think Gabby is now fit in any case and with the injuries a case to bring McCormack back into fold surely has some merit
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In the case of Richards and Gabby I wonder if both of them are now suffering from bulking up so much from an early age.
I think Gabby is now fit in any case and with the injuries a case to bring McCormack back into fold surely has some merit
yep totally agree about McCormack. Do you really just punish a player forever who was POTY multiple times at Fulham and Leeds because he couldn't get over his garden fence? If the likes of gabby and richards are forgiven then redemption is possible for anyone i reckon.
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There has to be more than that though. It’s very possibly the lying about it and his general reluctance to conform that might also be a key issue. The gate thing would be in the past if he applied himself which he clearly couldn’t be arsed to do the last time the club and more importantly Bruce needed him.
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Micah Richards knees are gone. He said so himself.
thats fine
hes the best dresser at the club remember
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It has always seemed strange to me how certain players are so injury prone and others are hardly ever injured. Look at the games Chester and Hutton have played but there never seems to be any doubt about them for any game. It does make you wonder if Klopp''s comment about certain players injuries coming down to their mindset was not as daft as it seemed.
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It has always seemed strange to me how certain players are so injury prone and others are hardly ever injured. Look at the games Chester and Hutton have played but there never seems to be any doubt about them for any game. It does make you wonder if Klopp''s comment about certain players injuries coming down to their mindset was not as daft as it seemed.
Jon Carew always seemed the opposite - he had the physique of a Viking but he was forever going down with niggling injuries.
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It has always seemed strange to me how certain players are so injury prone and others are hardly ever injured. Look at the games Chester and Hutton have played but there never seems to be any doubt about them for any game. It does make you wonder if Klopp''s comment about certain players injuries coming down to their mindset was not as daft as it seemed.
Jon Carew always seemed the opposite - he had the physique of a Viking but he was forever going down with niggling injuries.
Andy Carroll would seem to be another of those. A big battering ram of a player but always injured. You wonder if it's as a result of doing too much as young players?
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It has always seemed strange to me how certain players are so injury prone and others are hardly ever injured. Look at the games Chester and Hutton have played but there never seems to be any doubt about them for any game. It does make you wonder if Klopp''s comment about certain players injuries coming down to their mindset was not as daft as it seemed.
Jon Carew always seemed the opposite - he had the physique of a Viking but he was forever going down with niggling injuries.
Andy Carroll would seem to be another of those. A big battering ram of a player but always injured. You wonder if it's as a result of doing too much as young players?
I partly agree with Klopp in the sense that while I'm not sure mindset per say has any bearing on a player GETTING injured, there are undoubtedly differences between players that are willing to play through a certain degree of pain and others that aren't - affecting their availability. It's more a case of how willing certain players are to flag up a little niggle to the medical staff - you'd maybe suggest that someone like Sturridge at Liverpool and Carroll are good examples of this mindset.
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It has always seemed strange to me how certain players are so injury prone and others are hardly ever injured. Look at the games Chester and Hutton have played but there never seems to be any doubt about them for any game. It does make you wonder if Klopp''s comment about certain players injuries coming down to their mindset was not as daft as it seemed.
Jon Carew always seemed the opposite - he had the physique of a Viking but he was forever going down with niggling injuries.
He had a Back problem which just got worse.
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Just shows how much the knuckledraggers kicked Jack and Albert from pillar to post given they're still injured. Still, they'll get their just deserts in League one next season.....
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Hutton now looking like he'll be out for weeks with a hamstring injury.
A classic example of our strength in depth is that Neil Taylor is his replacement.
Not the biggest of blows but hopefully that's not the last we see of Hutton in a Villa shirt.
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Hutton now looking like he'll be out for weeks with a hamstring injury.
A classic example of our strength in depth is that Neil Taylor is his replacement.
Not the biggest of blows but hopefully that's not the last we see of Hutton in a Villa shirt.
Disapointed about this but a big opportunity for Taylor to prove a point. I hope he takes it.
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Hutton now looking like he'll be out for weeks with a hamstring injury.
A classic example of our strength in depth is that Neil Taylor is his replacement.
Not the biggest of blows but hopefully that's not the last we see of Hutton in a Villa shirt.
Disapointed about this but a big opportunity for Taylor to prove a point. I hope he takes it.
He did ok when he came on Saturday. He put over some decent crosses.
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It has always seemed strange to me how certain players are so injury prone and others are hardly ever injured. Look at the games Chester and Hutton have played but there never seems to be any doubt about them for any game. It does make you wonder if Klopp''s comment about certain players injuries coming down to their mindset was not as daft as it seemed.
Sometimes it's just the way they walk or run naturally that causes more injuries in some players. There was that case of that player who had to have his jaw broken and reset because it was causing him to have hamstring problems and recently i was reading about that player who had his kidney out and the loss of weight where the kidney should have been was causing injuries problems. i went over on my ankle loads of times as a kid so now i walk inwards slightly on one side to the point of wearing down the sole on my shoes badly on my right shoe. I can run with no problems at all but i'm guessing if i'd been a professional footballer they may have wanted to do something about it. i'm guessing some players have similar problems but probably in some cases doing something about it is probably more trouble than living with it.
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Just shows how much the knuckledraggers kicked Jack and Albert from pillar to post given they're still injured. Still, they'll get their just deserts in League one next season.....
Amen to all that. I just hope to God we can get both players properly fit asap, otherwise I fear we'll be settling for a play-off place rather than going up automatically.
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Add Callum O'hare to the list.....likely 10 week layoff after sustaining a knee ligament injury in the Hong Kong Sevens. Could miss the start of next season! Is there any good news to be had ffs?! The injury curse continues...
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Asked this question in another thread but was Green practically injured for the whole season then?
He did his hamstring in the Norwich game so we know he was out until xmas. Came back and was rusty v Posh in the cup and then we didn't see him again for rest of the season.
In some of the training pics in the last few weeks he was training with everyone else. Even if lacking fitness you'd still think he'd be a decent option from the bench so to me him and Davis were odd exclusions in the run in.
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It’s truly astonishing how our injury list seems to be going on forever. Axel out this time last year as well. It is utterly absurd.