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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Hookeysmith on February 01, 2018, 01:39:26 PM
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Just had a quick look and they have not decided to open the Upper Trinity (Yet)
On seat selector there are the following seats left only
DE 780
Holte 554
Trinity 158
NS 618
2110 left ;D ;D ;D ;D
Amazing what a bit of form does - irrespective of the opposition
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What’s the capacity crowd without the upper Trinity being open?
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I think I read somewhere that the upper DE that is normally away fans, will be open to Villa Fans this week.
I might be wrong though.
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Thats awesome support. Hopefully, they make a noise for the full 90 minutes, even if we are struggling.
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What’s the capacity crowd without the upper Trinity being open?
Wiki gives our present capacity as 42,682.
Trinity Road stand is 12,594 with the upper tier being approx 3,500.
So just over 39,000.
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May need to revise my guess the crowd figure🤔
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We got our first full house against them last season. Super Mac with the winner. Same again?
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May need to revise my guess the crowd figure🤔
I suspect someone hacked my account and deliberately posted a wildly inaccurate guess. My initial hypothesis is those pesky Russians. 😱
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May need to revise my guess the crowd figure🤔
I suspect someone hacked my account and deliberately posted a wildly inaccurate guess. My initial hypothesis is those pesky Russians. 😱
I wrote something on Facebook the other night. It posted from my wife's account, ignored my involvement and was the most sensible thing I have written about football in years!
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What’s the capacity crowd without the upper Trinity being open?
38,500 I believe. Trinity holds 11,500 and 4000ish in the Upper Tier.
Sales have really picked up since before the the weekend.
P9 has been put on sale. Likely 2000 empty seats in the away end, plus 4000 upper Trinity means on current sales we've sold 34,000 give or take.
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What’s the capacity crowd without the upper Trinity being open?
38,500 I believe. Trinity holds 11,500 and 4000ish in the Upper Tier.
Sales have really picked up since before the the weekend.
P9 has been put on sale. Likely 2000 empty seats in the away end, plus 4000 upper Trinity means on current sales we've sold 34,000 give or take.
So we’re looking at a gate of approximately 36k for Saturday.
Not bad eh.
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Shouldn't imagine it'll go over 35k regardless of recent form, cracking figure nonetheless, lets hope the Holte improves its atmosphere this week....
If we manage to get 4 wins and a draw out of the next 5, I should imagine QPR could be very close to a sell out. It is of course, a very, very big if mind.
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Site shows sales as following [because Court is boring before you ask]
Trinity Road - 118 left
Holte End - 387 left [264 upper and 125 lower]
Witton Lane Stand 639/a1396 left [1335 upper mainly in P9 which is the usual away end and 61 lower]
North Stand - 415 -[177 upper and 238 lower]
Total: 2316 left to sell. For some reason Q blocks are coming up, so it looks like Burton have sold all the lower tier. With the 4000 in the upper Trinity, the total unsold as of now is 6316, which is 36184 give or take.
How accurate the figures are I don't know, but its 551 sales from the usual areas since yesterday. I imagine it would be something similar again today and possible a hundred or so walk ups. But guess we're looking at something between 34,000 and 37,000. Highest crowd of the season to date either way.
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Shouldn't imagine it'll go over 35k regardless of recent form, cracking figure nonetheless, lets hope the Holte improves its atmosphere this week....
I genuinely think the Lambert years have sucked the life out of the Holte.
Even for games like Brizzle when we were rampant the atmosphere in the Holte wasn't the same as it used to be. You know it's bad when you're sitting in the Holte and can hear the away fans singing.
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Site shows sales as following [because Court is boring before you ask]
Trinity Road - 118 left
Holte End - 387 left [264 upper and 125 lower]
Witton Lane Stand 639/a1396 left [1335 upper mainly in P9 which is the usual away end and 61 lower]
North Stand - 415 -[177 upper and 238 lower]
Total: 2316 left to sell. For some reason Q blocks are coming up, so it looks like Burton have sold all the lower tier. With the 4000 in the upper Trinity, the total unsold as of now is 6316, which is 36184 give or take.
How accurate the figures are I don't know, but its 551 sales from the usual areas since yesterday. I imagine it would be something similar again today and possible a hundred or so walk ups. But guess we're looking at something between 34,000 and 37,000. Highest crowd of the season to date either way.
Walk ups can and do add anything up to 1500+ on the day - walk ups are very dependent on weather conditions and KO times.
3pm tomorrow KO and 50% chance of showers
Anyone still undecided - get ya arse down VP
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Shouldn't imagine it'll go over 35k regardless of recent form, cracking figure nonetheless, lets hope the Holte improves its atmosphere this week....
I genuinely think the Lambert years have sucked the life out of the Holte
Not just The Holte, believe me
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Site shows sales as following [because Court is boring before you ask]
Trinity Road - 118 left
Holte End - 387 left [264 upper and 125 lower]
Witton Lane Stand 639/a1396 left [1335 upper mainly in P9 which is the usual away end and 61 lower]
North Stand - 415 -[177 upper and 238 lower]
Total: 2316 left to sell. For some reason Q blocks are coming up, so it looks like Burton have sold all the lower tier. With the 4000 in the upper Trinity, the total unsold as of now is 6316, which is 36184 give or take.
How accurate the figures are I don't know, but its 551 sales from the usual areas since yesterday. I imagine it would be something similar again today and possible a hundred or so walk ups. But guess we're looking at something between 34,000 and 37,000. Highest crowd of the season to date either way.
Walk ups can and do add anything up to 1500+ on the day - walk ups are very dependent on weather conditions and KO times.
3pm tomorrow KO and 50% chance of showers
Anyone still undecided - get ya arse down VP
I guess it depends on how many from the pool of walk ups have already committed.
Should be at least 34,000 though, which is more than any of our neighbours have had in 40 years and against a side who got half of what we have taken to away games this season in their last home game.
Just hope its a good performance and result and we maintain that extra 3-5000, if not improve on it for the run in.
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Site shows sales as following [because Court is boring before you ask]
Trinity Road - 118 left
Holte End - 387 left [264 upper and 125 lower]
Witton Lane Stand 639/a1396 left [1335 upper mainly in P9 which is the usual away end and 61 lower]
North Stand - 415 -[177 upper and 238 lower]
Total: 2316 left to sell. For some reason Q blocks are coming up, so it looks like Burton have sold all the lower tier. With the 4000 in the upper Trinity, the total unsold as of now is 6316, which is 36184 give or take.
How accurate the figures are I don't know, but its 551 sales from the usual areas since yesterday. I imagine it would be something similar again today and possible a hundred or so walk ups. But guess we're looking at something between 34,000 and 37,000. Highest crowd of the season to date either way.
842 tickets left. I counted them (because I’m sad).
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There's over 1000 available on Seatwave.
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1701 left at my sad count (to be fair it's that or Coronation Street).
I make that 36,799. If Hookey is right about 1500 walks ups then we're looking at a defacto sell out potentially.
It would give us the 10th highest average gate in the country and similarly after the Noses we will have had the 8th highest gate in the country.
Tomorrow will be the highest gate in the league this season. Until the following Sunday.
This club...
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We'll get 40k crowds against SHA, Leeds, Wolves and Derby as those games sell themselves for obvious reasons so I'd be amazed if the Upper Trinity doesn't say open after the SHA game as there will be enough demand.
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We'll get 40k crowds against SHA, Leeds, Wolves and Derby as those games sell themselves for obvious reasons so I'd be amazed if the Upper Trinity doesn't say open after the SHA game as there will be enough demand.
13 points from the next 5, and I'd expect every home game to be a sell out from then on. Massive ask though.
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Shouldn't imagine it'll go over 35k regardless of recent form, cracking figure nonetheless, lets hope the Holte improves its atmosphere this week....
I genuinely think the Lambert years have sucked the life out of the Holte.
Even for games like Brizzle when we were rampant the atmosphere in the Holte wasn't the same as it used to be. You know it's bad when you're sitting in the Holte and can hear the away fans singing.
Yep, I was in the Holte for Bristol game and it wasn't a great atmosphere for the scoreline in such a big game, I blamed that partly on the cold weather and hangovers. Even for the Blues game last season I thought the Holte was quiet until we scored. Second City derby atmosphere from both clubs have got worse and worse, I blame the restrictions. Also, wouldn't necessarily say it was lambert years that caused it, It got good under Sherwood again.
Expecting a crowd of around 34-36000 today, would be huge if we can get a big win and a decent atmosphere going, everyone needs to do their bit.
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Shouldn't imagine it'll go over 35k regardless of recent form, cracking figure nonetheless, lets hope the Holte improves its atmosphere this week....
I genuinely think the Lambert years have sucked the life out of the Holte.
Even for games like Brizzle when we were rampant the atmosphere in the Holte wasn't the same as it used to be. You know it's bad when you're sitting in the Holte and can hear the away fans singing.
Yep, I was in the Holte for Bristol game and it wasn't a great atmosphere for the scoreline in such a big game, I blamed that partly on the cold weather and hangovers. Even for the Blues game last season I thought the Holte was quiet until we scored. Second City derby atmosphere from both clubs have got worse and worse, I blame the restrictions. Also, wouldn't necessarily say it was lambert years that caused it, It got good under Sherwood again.
Expecting a crowd of around 34-36000 today, would be huge if we can get a big win and a decent atmosphere going, everyone needs to do their bit.
I sit in the Trinity these days towards the Holte. Noise levels against the noses was fantastic last season but it needs to be be like that more often. On current form today should be a 2-3 nil to us but if it is can we please drop the billy big bollocks chants like "3 nil on ya big day out" etc? I fkn hate that kind of shit.Show a bit of humility and respect as it does go a long way. Remember Man Yanited singing "we're Man United we'll do what we want" at Villa Park? Fkn classless wankers and I've always hated them for it. We used to be known as one of England's finest and a club with class. I'd love us to get that respect back.
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The club have tweeted that a crowd of 32.5k+ is expected. It will be just over 33k imo, can't see Burton bringing many as they only had 2k at home the other night!
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The club have tweeted that a crowd of 32.5k+ is expected. It will be just over 33k imo, can't see Burton bringing many as they only had 2k at home the other night!
Doug has been giving them tax advice.
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We'll get 40k crowds against SHA, Leeds, Wolves and Derby as those games sell themselves for obvious reasons so I'd be amazed if the Upper Trinity doesn't say open after the SHA game as there will be enough demand.
13 points from the next 5, and I'd expect every home game to be a sell out from then on. Massive ask though.
Wouldn't go that far as we have games like Reading on a Tuesday night. Would be a sell out if it was Easter Monday 3pm but could we really get a 42k crowd for a midweek game, I'm not sure on that.
Same for Cardiff.
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Back in the summer of 74, or thereabouts, all the kids at our primary school on Chelmsley Wood launched helium-filled balloons with self-addressed tags attached to them. The balloon that got the furthest away won a prize. The lad who won was my next-door neighbour and his balloon ended up in Burton-upon-Trent.
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It wasn't the crowd some were predicting. Burton fans were in very low numbers considering the small distance they had to travel, I guess the novelty has worn off for them.
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It wasn't the crowd some were predicting. Burton fans were in very low numbers considering the small distance they had to travel, I guess the novelty has worn off for them.
They’re a tiny club though. It was pretty good for them.
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The club have tweeted that a crowd of 32.5k+ is expected. It will be just over 33k imo, can't see Burton bringing many as they only had 2k at home the other night!
Doug has been giving them tax advice.
I think you’re right, taking 4000 empty seats in the Trinity top tier away plus the gaps in the away end I didn’t see where the other 3000 gaps were ?
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Well it goes to show that trying to work it out by counting seats left on line was a waste of time ::)
Considering how many was there the atmosphere was dead
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Well it goes to show that trying to work it out by counting seats left on line was a waste of time ::)
Considering how many was there the atmosphere was dead
It has been all season. Even Bristol City when we scored 5 the atmosphere was poor.
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Well it goes to show that trying to work it out by counting seats left on line was a waste of time ::)
Considering how many was there the atmosphere was dead
It has been all season. Even Bristol City when we scored 5 the atmosphere was poor.
If only you'd sing like you moan it'd be electric.
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Well it goes to show that trying to work it out by counting seats left on line was a waste of time ::)
Considering how many was there the atmosphere was dead
It has been all season. Even Bristol City when we scored 5 the atmosphere was poor.
If only you'd sing like you moan it'd be electric.
He's right though - the atmosphere's generally crap at VP these days.
Lambert has a lot to answer for but breaking the fans' collective souls with the shit he served up has got to be top of the list.
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Is the general atmosphere at Villa Park really that different; better or inferior than th vast majority of stadia around the country or Europe? When it’s rocking it’s brilliant and very loud. But for the most part when it’s the middle of the game and not a whole lot is happening is it that different to other places? And some of these bigger grounds with bigger crowds are hardly raucous. I think from my experience it’s not that different to most places but with the upside of it being simply incredible at times which sets it apart from other clubs. Not many places have the Holte or a structure like it.
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As we had won 5 in a row I was expecting a bit more atmosphere, the team were flat for the first 20 minutes and so was the crowd. That set the scene.
It’s a bit grind out the win, get the points and move On to the next game.
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Is the general atmosphere at Villa Park really that different; better or inferior than th vast majority of stadia around the country or Europe? When it’s rocking it’s brilliant and very loud. But for the most part when it’s the middle of the game and not a whole lot is happening is it that different to other places? And some of these bigger grounds with bigger crowds are hardly raucous. I think from my experience it’s not that different to most places but with the upside of it being simply incredible at times which sets it apart from other clubs. Not many places have the Holte or a structure like it.
Maybe the Villa isn't that different to other grounds now but it feels different to 10 years ago. Burton's entire away following could've arrived in a minibus but there were still times on Saturday when you could hear them from the Holte. I genuinely think a lot of fans have had their enthusiasm beaten out of them and it'll take a while, if ever, for it to come back.
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We were playing a glorified non-league side.
It's the way it is. Man United and Liverpool probably have decent atmospheres when they play each other, but they're flat when they play us unless there is an incident that incites the crowd. It's been that way for 20 years.
Be a much better atmosphere on Sunday.
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Different demographics going to games now, the good/bad old days are gone.
Just stop moaning, sit down sip your cappuccino and leave 10 mins before the end if you don’t like it. Along with the other 2000, trying to miss the traffic.
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I’ve wondered if the closure of most of the local pubs has had an effect, a few years ago you’d have a few beers locally and there would normally be a sing song in the pub which got you in the mood a bit.
That and being shit for the best part of ten years.
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I'd imagine being shit for over half a decade has had the biggest effect.
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I'd imagine being shit for over half a decade has had the biggest effect.
Yep, apart from a few fleeting glimpses, any sense of hope and expectation was beaten out of us from the appointment of McLeish to the dying embers of Black and relegation. It’s going to take a few more months/years to get any level of consistent positivity back in the fan base. Relegation and the manner of it, destroyed the link between the fans and the team/players, it’s only just lately started to recover.
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Couple of points... the capacity used to include all hospitality seats, so I know there are loads of those unsold, (if you wanted a seat at the blues game in a box you could probably get one). Also there were 1500 seats above the 800 or so Burton fans. So with 4500 in the Trinity, 2000 in the Witton Lane and 1000 in hospitality there's only another 1500 empty seats around the ground that make up for the total missing.
As for the atmosphere; we have been bludgeoned to death as fans over the last 8 years (and even before that our home performances and results were never great). That said we are a bit flat as a crowd. Look how Leicester got behind their team once they had a sniff of success, same with Stoke when they first came up to the Premier League. We have never been noisy and intimidating on a regular basis, but it would be great if we could get behind the team more during the run in.
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Different demographics going to games now, the good/bad old days are gone.
Just stop moaning, sit down sip your cappuccino and leave 10 mins before the end if you don’t like it. Along with the other 2000, trying to miss the traffic.
I reckon that is about it - different demographic and fewer people who have known a noisy atmosphere. I disagree on one point though - it's a lot more than 2000 leaving early. I always wonder if the people who regularly leave early also go to the cinema and miss the last 5-10 minutes of the film.
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Villa Park needs more big games.
WBA quarter final, atmosphere was loud for that one. I was watching on TV and it certainly came across like a cauldron that night.
Sunderland 6-1 sticks in my mind aswell.
Even Bristol City a few weeks ago I thought was pretty decent from kick off, seemed everyone around me knew the importance of that game and were up for it which was good to see.
We have some good games in the run in. Already looking forward to Wolves which should be buzzing at kick off. It always helps the atmosphere if we play well which certainly isn't a guarantee!
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Spot on SHQ. I think the general flatness at times is due to the Championship opposition. I'm expecting some decent crowds and atmospheres from now on in. Derby last home game could be like the Albion QF, 5.30 KO, winner takes all, a sellout and VP rockin.
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Spot on SHQ. I think the general flatness at times is due to the Championship opposition. I'm expecting some decent crowds and atmospheres from now on in. Derby last home game could be like the Albion QF, 5.30 KO, winner takes all, a sellout and VP rockin.
I hope you’re wrong but for the right reason of wanting us to be up before kick off and 40,000 of us there to celebrate in front of the cameras.
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A full house under lights always has a good atmosphere.
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Ajax when Laursen scores from a corner was one of the best I can remember and the Blackburn semi.
We don’t seem to have any original songs anymore, Holteenders in the sky is decent but doesn’t last long enough. The everywhere we go song does my head in, think of it as more of a Baggies song.
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Ajax when Laursen scores from a corner was one of the best I can remember and the Blackburn semi.
It was an enjoyable game but I didn't get that excited...