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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on December 26, 2017, 09:25:35 PM
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Shit
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Wank
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Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, Bruce.
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Aston Villa.
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Steve Bruce ‘I suppose it’s off with me head again is it this week, it’s ridiculous.’
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He’s got to go but don’t think Tony’s got the balls.
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Brentford.
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Steve Bruce ‘I suppose it’s off with me head again is it this week, it’s ridiculous.’
Did he really say that?
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Actually thought the final half hour was decent enough, just couldn't quite convert the chances that were created.
The rest was abhorrent though, which is nothing new.
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Spineless shower led by a clueless donkey.
None of them, with the exception of Hutton, gives a flying shit.
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Just terrible.
Bloody useless.
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Seasons greeting from Aston Villa.
Taxi for Bruce!
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Absolutely shameful. Emperor Bruce is wearing no clothes and it’s a grotesque sight indeed.
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Can’t see any chance of promotion
Looks like it’ll be a local derby against Shrewsbury next season.
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Bruce out now. An absolute disgrace.
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Outplayed by Brentford in all four games since we've been down here.
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Ffs....please get rid of him tonight. Not tomorrow. ..TONIGHT.
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Bag of fucking scrap team. Shit. Time for a change before it’s too late.
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We deserved to lose against a club with a fraction of the resources we have. That’s the simple answer. Bruce has failed.
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3 points from the last 15.
Bruce out. NOW! >:(
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Can’t see any chance of promotion
Looks like it’ll be a local derby against Shrewsbury next season.
Or West Brom. Every cloud...
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I promised myself that Villa would never make me angry again but the fucking wankers have gone and done it to me again the bastards. Get fucking rid of the lot
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Has to happen surely. They gone on about “big expectation” our expectations have never been so low!
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Spineless shower led by a clueless donkey.
None of them, with the exception of Hutton, gives a flying shit.
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Silver lining is that I’m sat at home any not facing a trudge back to the Tube in the rain
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Pathetic. Passing was awful. Whelan needs dropping. Set piece delivery rubbish.
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Disgusted with that performance, shit style of football so slow in the middle of midfield with Whelan and Jedinak. Players pulling out of tackles, bad decision making all over the pitch.
Time for a change.
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The end is nigh.
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For Gods sake and about 300k fans please get rid of Bruce
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So Steve, whose fault was it this time ?
He has to go.
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The players look disinterested
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They wanted it more, we lacked ideas, looked slow and have zero cutting edge.
Still time to rescue the season but the Dr has a big decision to make.
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the manager is a c*nt and so are all the players, they make me dislike my club
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Bye-bye, you absolute failure.
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Oi Leeg, Kippax had already started the post-debacle thread ;)
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We have been extremely generous with our Christmas gifts to the other teams this Christmas period. They don’t even have to work hard for their goals.
There is zero pace and movement in midfield and up top and we’re struggling to score. Coupled with mistakes in midfield/defence and we’re on a one way street to an extended stay in the division.
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Absolutely shameful. Emperor Bruce is wearing no clothes and it’s a grotesque sight indeed.
Yeah, but close one eye and from the side he looks like a doner kebab. Mmmmm.
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Snails pace build-up and too many missed passed.
Easy to clsoe down and clueless - why the fuck is Hogan the target man for Johnstone, he's too short FFS!!!
Promotion, no chance
Playoffs - no point
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No pace no clue no passion no idea no style.... you can hide behind the injuries all you like but that still doesn't explain displays like this tonight and generally over the course of the season. He'll blame it on Adomah's injury tonight but in four games against Brentford we still haven't learned and we're going to be leapfrogged by a lot of sides now I think. Rubbish against anyone half decent and unconvincing against even the shit teams. Bruce out.
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Was Hogan actually playing in the second half?
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Get rid tonight...not tomorrow. ..tonight
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Fuck off
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Well that was a steaming pile of horse shit again.
Outplayed, out thought and out fought.
Cheerio Steve.
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This fucking garbage is killing me. For a club that's spent the amount of money we have over the last few years to be losing on a regular basis to Clubs like Brentford is a total disgrace. But where do we go from here. Yet another change of manager, a new false dawn until we start again. We are fucking cursed.
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They wanted it more, we lacked ideas, looked slow and have zero cutting edge.
We could say that every week unfortunately.
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Alarming that all season we have never beaten a team above us, he has to go now another hard game coming up which we will lose and get further behind. To see Brentford bloody Brentford playing us so easily after all the money that's been spent is a total disgrace, we will be mid table in two weeks.
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Truly appalling display. They have to make a change before it is too late. Modern day managers are often criticized for not having a Plan B. Bruce avoids this by not having a plan A. Even his friends in the media are starting to call him out. I am amazed people continue to support him on here. Other than the continuity argument I just don't get it. If he is the wrong man, (and he is) he could be there for ever and it aint working.
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Winless in 5 now isn't it?
We're going backwards. Looking worse every week. No semblance of offensive strategy. Hoof, pray, reset. Overlap over the sideline, hoof, drop off, repeat.
Discouraging football. Whelan, Onomah despite the goal, Chester were all poor. Second half was genuinely atrocious for a team at Brentford looking to make a promotion push.
Newcastle bounce right back and we're floundering like idiots down here.
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The reasons we won’t go up are there for all to see again tonight. So called lesser teams set up correctly to play with a consistent plan time and again outplay us tactically and football wise. Dean Smith made one change at half time to double up on Jack Grealish and so our chances of victory go. This is down to the man that doesn’t do tactics. You might know him.
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Seasons greeting from Aston Villa.
Taxi for Bruce!
No taxi, make the fucker walk.
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Alarming that all season we have never beaten a team above us, he has to go now another hard game coming up which we will lose and get further behind. To see Brentford bloody Brentford playing us so easily after all the money that's been spent is a total disgrace, we will be mid table in two weeks.
We already are,
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We are unable to pass the ball to one another. We cannot string more than three passes together. When we move into the opponents half we stop and inevitably play the ball backwards. But the bottom line is that we cannot pass the ball, so frustrating!
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Dreadful. Clueless, and no wins in 5. No doubt he’ll be spinning the excuses like a pro.
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Was Hogan actually playing in the second half?
Not sure if this pointed at Hogan, but it’s very obvious that he thrives on through balls and we produced fuck all. Had he played for his old club today he could have had two or three.
Bruce with his “tactics” and selection is an embarrassment, and more importantly he won’t get us promoted.
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So way sitting here. I am not a Bruce fan he is very much yesterdays man but what viable options and please don't say Gary monks
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Dear Brentford, as a Christmas kindness, is there any chance we could take your manager, coaching staff, and say, erm, all your players?
That would be much appreciated.
Merry Christmas.
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Jack was shite tonight.
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Was Hogan actually playing in the second half?
Not sure if this pointed at Hogan, but it’s very obvious that he thrives on through balls and we produced fuck all. Had he played for his old club today he could have had two or three.
Bruce with his “tactics” and selection is an embarrassment, and more importantly he won’t get us promoted.
Everything is sent down the wings. One time he got a throughball down the middle he scored - ok it was offside but it just shows we don't play to his strengths.
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A fairly routine home win for the Brentford against a team they would have have been expected to beat.
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Dreadful. Clueless, and no wins in 5. No doubt he’ll be spinning the excuses like a pro.
Yup, both adjectives are relevant here. He has no idea.
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Surely you can all see he's improved us, we lost 3-0 last season so we're making progress. If we hang on to him I reckon he might have us good enough to go up for the 2020-21 season.
After a dismal first 30 mins Grealish actually played well. Based on his consistency record over the past 3 years I reckon we can expect another good 60 mins or so by the start of next season.
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Terrible to watch. Well that's a given for a Bruce side. Ability to compete and defend and up for a fight on boxing day, the things you'd hope from a Bruce side?
Unfortunately all absent. He's lost his mojo
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Rubbish football, rubbish tactics and currently rubbish results. Injuries are no excuse for that. I said we'd be out of the top 6 by tonight so no surprise at all. Just a case of how bad it has to get before the trigger is pulled.
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Get rid of him. No excuse for this bollocks. Too many times.
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Was Hogan actually playing in the second half?
Given the appalling wank that was our midfield he did well to provide two of our best crosses.
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Was Hogan actually playing in the second half?
Gieven the appalling wank that was our midfield he did well to provide two of our best crosses.
Yep. He had fuck all again and managed an assist.
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It’s so bad we have 2 post match threads.
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It’s so bad we have 2 post match threads.
A.Brucie Bonus?
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Was asking for that. Play two oil tanker midfielders, Jack has no one to play off, a lone striker who can't play that way. He really needs to go. Another manager could get so much out of this squad. Well lose against Boro, drift out of the play offs.
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I am disgusted
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Brentford.
Just this. We've no divine right but Brentford.
BTW Lee Hendrie needs to come to my house for a good feed. Neal Redfurn can bugger offf.
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How frustrating is it watching Villa at the moment? All corner kicks ballooned into the box, no defensive organisation, players falling down looking for frees like they think they are in the Premiership - and worst of all no heart! i don't know if changing the manager is the answer! Players need to be shipped out. Step up a gang of young fellas from the academy and see what they can do. We are not going up this season anyway so why not take the risk of developing some quality youngsters?
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Just sack the fucker and be done with it. Take the forthcoming financial Armageddon and actually rebuild. This is shit.
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Spineless shower led by a clueless donkey.
None of them, with the exception of Hutton, gives a flying shit.
The guy got skinned alive and his throw-ins were like usual, flipping garbage!
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It seems from the performances of this team, none of them seem to be the slightest bit interested in considering it an honour to be playing for Aston Villa while we have a manager who doesn't have a clue about motivation, getting the basics right or being able to react during a game when changes are essential.
We need to look at the example of Huddersfield and find a young manager who has shown talent and his teams play with a modern style.
Please don't let any change be dictated by having to salvage the season to remain in the division with another "safe pair of hands".
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Since being relegated we have lost four out of four against Brentford. Yes Brentford! Three of those were under Bruce's management. We are not getting any better. We are a team in decline. Let's hope that the club big wigs have the common sense to have his replacement already lined up. I don't want to over dramatise the situation but I believe this is a critical moment in the history of Aston Villa that could go either way.
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That’s it for me. We’re second best to Brentford. Again. Totally unacceptable. A constant stream of individual errors, some forced by a team with more energy, more purpose and more positivity. Jedinak and Whelan in midfield simply offer us nothing going forward. Snodgrass is peripheral and can’t make an impression. Taylor is lightweight. Hutton was second best to their left winger all night long. Bruce out.
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Bruce actually achieved the impossible tonight and made me feel sorry for Grealish. I think the guy is totally powderpuff BUT is there was ever a player less suited to Bruce-ball its him. I can't imagine why Bruce would want a comfortable on the ball player anywhere near his side unless he wants to show him up.
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So if anyone can get us promoted it''s Steve Bruce as he is a promotion specialist. Who the fuck said that ?. I have never liked him mainly down to the fact that he never shoulders any responsibility when things go wrong. At the moment I detest this man for what he is doing to our club whilst at the same time picking up wages most of us could only dream about.
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The traditional Villa christmas collapse in full swing. Bruce out. Needs to happen, give the new manager a shot at the january window.
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Since being relegated we have lost four out of four against Brentford. Yes Brentford! Three of those were under Bruce's management. We are not getting any better. We are a team in decline. Let's hope that the club big wigs have the common sense to have his replacement already lined up. I don't want to over dramatise the situation but I believe this is a critical moment in the history of Aston Villa that could go either way.
we actually have lost two of the four but looked shit in the two draws we've had with them. its still crap no matter how we look at it.
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Can’t see any chance of promotion
Looks like it’ll be a local derby against Shrewsbury next season.
Looking forward to it, and don't be surprised when they beat us.
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Just awful. Sure we have injuries but the likes of Hogan, Elphick, Jedinak etc are from successful teams in this league, but somehow Bruce has made them look like a bag of shit
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Since being relegated we have lost four out of four against Brentford. Yes Brentford! Three of those were under Bruce's management. We are not getting any better. We are a team in decline. Let's hope that the club big wigs have the common sense to have his replacement already lined up. I don't want to over dramatise the situation but I believe this is a critical moment in the history of Aston Villa that could go either way.
We've drawn the two at home. Once teams realise they can beat us easily at Villa Park as well we're fucked.
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We are three points off the play offs so he isnt going anywhere. Wyness has put too much faith in Bruce and it will be a sign of his own weakness if he recommends to the Dr to sack him.
He will be here a while longer
Just watching the Bruce interview. He looks a beaten man
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Grealish is the one player who tries to make things happen that's why the opposition double team him. watching players on big money unable to complete a ten yard pass really pisses me off.
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AVFC. Ruining Christmas since 1874.
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I fully expected a loss. Under clueless Bruce we seem to have these awful runs where we go umpteenth games without a win. That was a horror show and I expect more to follow.
Snodgrass first in the team come Saturday ::)
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Since being relegated we have lost four out of four against Brentford. Yes Brentford! Three of those were under Bruce's management. We are not getting any better. We are a team in decline. Let's hope that the club big wigs have the common sense to have his replacement already lined up. I don't want to over dramatise the situation but I believe this is a critical moment in the history of Aston Villa that could go either way.
We've drawn the two at home. Once teams realise they can beat us easily at Villa Park as well we're fucked.
Yeah your right. I wasn't thinking straight and my eyes were still bulging lol. In both of the draws we've managed against them they were clearly the better team.
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I didnt think we were that overly terrible but far too obvious at times, especially in the second half. Disapointed with result though.
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Same failings again. Not good enough and on the verge of blowing this season.
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I genuinely think Bruce is a decent honest man. He didn’t bullshit there he said we were shit and he said we have enough good players on the pitch but they played crap. But the truth is he can’t get the best out of them. Maybe another coach to add the millions he has will help 🤗
That said we could be Birmingham City......
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Crap again. We are 3 points better off than at this stage last season. If that is progress and evolution of the Villa Engine we are up shit creek.
We create bugger all again, how many saves did their keeper make? Same for most of our games.
We look unfit and poorly coached. If Man Utd recall Johnstone in January we are even more screwed. He and Albert hav papered over numerous cracks. Brentford's record signing cost £2.5m. Most of them would walk into our team.
Would love Dean Smith in.....no doubt won't happen.
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Very poor result. The wheels are starting to come off. We need some fresh bodies in January and Bruce has to inject some life into the current squad. I don't agree that this is a crucial moment in our history. If we miss out on promotion I think a good appointment could get the squad back on track.
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We’re going to piss this league .......
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The players look disinterested
Yes. Chester looked at one point to be thinking
" What am i doing here ? "
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Someone’s going to get a real thrashing soon.
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The players look disinterested
Yes. Chester looked at one point to be thinking
" What am i doing here ? "
I think that every time I watch Villa 😊
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Our decline started with Terrys injury just proves how important he was to us, still doesn't negate the fact that even with him we couldn't beat teams above us.
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The club smells of death.
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Someone’s going to get a real thrashing soon.
I'm starting to wish it'll be us - if it means Bruce gets the bullet.
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Grealish is the one player who tries to make things happen that's why the opposition double team him. watching players on big money unable to complete a ten yard pass really pisses me off.
yeah but there is practically no-one else on his wave length. you've got grealish trying to pass it and create stuff and 10 automatons following bruce's directives. like playing with 10 men
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Shambolic and predictable.
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The club smells of death.
Yup. Definition of insanity is continuing to repeat the same action and expect different results. Bruce continues to set the team up wrong and expects us to win, unsurprisingly we don't.
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The club smells of death.
Shouldn't be like that with all the changes in the last 18 months.
Yes plenty of wrong decisions but decisions nonetheless and we needed a shake up after relegation.
Everyone's seen what is happening to Sunderland who haven't changed enough since coming down.
Just seems like whatever we do something fundamentally is broken within the club and I really can't offer any suggestions as those probably won't work either.
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I didnt think we were that overly terrible but far too obvious at times, especially in the second half. Disapointed with result though.
Have you been hacked Clampy? This is a parody account isn’t it?
Agree about the disappointed bit though.
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I didnt think we were that overly terrible but far too obvious at times, especially in the second half. Disapointed with result though.
We were worse than terrible. To think otherwise would strongly point to a person being on a wind up.
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The players look disinterested
Yes. Chester looked at one point to be thinking
" What am i doing here ? "
I like him and he is a good player. But he is part of the problem and needs to sort out the defence. No one who has played the last few games should be given an easy ride
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The club smells of death.
Sadly, that's the impression I get too. A foul stench of mundane shit served week in, week out.
Will it ever end?
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Too many times we looked for the long ball up field which surrenders the possession. Many times it's Johnson who catches it and then rushes to punt it.
There's no point doing that with Hogan and Grealish up front.
The one passage of play where we keep it on the floor, be patient and probe we score.
The question is whether Dr Tony gives Bruce some money in Jan, or gives it to someone else.
When I saw our line up I knew it was going to be screaming sphincter time. Elphick at the back. The "rufus smalls" of the champ scott hogan up front, Jedi and Whelan who shouldn't be on the pitch at the same time. Got to be one of the shittest Villa first 11's in recent history.
But I think the injuries will be Bruce's saving grace and he will stay till the summer at least.
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I didnt think we were that overly terrible but far too obvious at times, especially in the second half. Disapointed with result though.
We were worse than terrible. To think otherwise would strongly point to a person being on a wind up.
Come on Clampy, it's been rubbish again.
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I didnt think we were that overly terrible but far too obvious at times, especially in the second half. Disapointed with result though.
We were worse than terrible. To think otherwise would strongly point to a person being on a wind up.
Ive seen us play worse and win. My issue is that there is no real plan, the tactics are defensive ( Jedinak and Whelan) starting tonight and above all else there has been no real progress in 16 months
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The players look disinterested
Yes. Chester looked at one point to be thinking
" What am i doing here ? "
I like him and he is a good player. But he is part of the problem and needs to sort out the defence. No one who has played the last few games should be given an easy ride
We have a lot of good players, just a wanker in charge.
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Very very disappointing. Bruce I do think is an honest and decent bloke but the tactics and coaching lack ambition. We setup to win one nil and without Terry we have lacked steeel.
We have a lot of overpaid old slow premier league rejects who are getting found out in snodgrass whelan etc.
We bought a player in Hogan who looks sharp but never gets any support or help and we wonder why he has scored only one goal!
I would seriously consider getting in Dean Smith watching tonight they had a style of play they entertained were energetic. That’s with a team on a shoestring of a budget compared to ours. He deserves a chance and is a villa fan
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F-ck off potato head! Enough is enough!
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The club smells of death.
Sadly, that's the impression I get too. A foul stench of mundane shit served week in, week out.
Will it ever end?
I don't know about death, but certainly desperation. Even when we were winning, the way we protected leads was last-gasp and disorganised. Virtually every forward ball tonight was hit and hope and rarely did it find the player it was intended for. The players are either disinterested or terrified and Bruce will not change that now. Fear has set in and the same old shite won't make any difference psychologically. Bruce is toast.
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I genuinely think Bruce is a decent honest man. He didn’t bullshit there he said we were shit and he said we have enough good players on the pitch but they played crap. But the truth is he can’t get the best out of them. Maybe another coach to add the millions he has will help 🤗
That said we could be Birmingham City......
He is a decent guy. I dont dislike him. He has tried his best and it hasnt worked out. I would think a lot more of him if he offered his resignation immediately. It is time for a change. Other teams have sussed him out. Its not going to get any better.
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The club smells of death.
I think some of the stench is coming from Wyness
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Too many times we looked for the long ball up field which surrenders the possession. Many times it's Johnson who catches it and then rushes to punt it.
There's no point doing that with Hogan and Grealish up front.
The one passage of play where we keep it on the floor, be patient and probe we score.
The question is whether Dr Tony gives Bruce some money in Jan, or gives it to someone else.
When I saw our line up I knew it was going to be screaming sphincter time. Elphick at the back. The "rufus smalls" of the champ scott hogan up front, Jedi and Whelan who shouldn't be on the pitch at the same time. Got to be one of the shittest Villa first 11's in recent history.
But I think the injuries will be Bruce's saving grace and he will stay till the summer at least.
We haven’t got any money
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The club smells of death.
I think some of the stench is coming from Wyness
Christmas sprouts?
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The club smells of death.
I think some of the stench is coming from Wyness
I wanted to say that, but was worried.
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When Sky put that stat up about Brentford conceding more second half goals than any team, I turned to my old man and said, they won't this half.
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Bruce style of football is totally wrong and he needs to deck off
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I would seriously consider getting in Dean Smith watching tonight they had a style of play they entertained were energetic. That’s with a team on a shoestring of a budget compared to ours. He deserves a chance and is a villa fan
That was just their 4th home win of the season so he doesnt necessarily deserve the chance, he's done a good job at Brentford but I'm just not sure he'd be the right fit for us or him at this time.
If we are going for Villa fans I'd have taken Rowett ahead of Smith.
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I didnt think we were that overly terrible but far too obvious at times, especially in the second half. Disapointed with result though.
We were worse than terrible. To think otherwise would strongly point to a person being on a wind up.
No, it would point to a person having a opinion different to yours.
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I didnt think we were that overly terrible but far too obvious at times, especially in the second half. Disapointed with result though.
We were worse than terrible. To think otherwise would strongly point to a person being on a wind up.
No, it would point to a person having a opinion different to yours.
Having an opinion is fair enough, but when it’s so far removed from perceived reality it does need challenging.
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I didnt think we were that overly terrible but far too obvious at times, especially in the second half. Disapointed with result though.
We were worse than terrible. To think otherwise would strongly point to a person being on a wind up.
No, it would point to a person having a opinion different to yours.
Having an opinion is fair enough, but when it’s so far removed from perceived reality it does need challenging.
And that's absolutely fine. It's how a forum works.
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Spare a thought for those who went down (having spent a fortune on tickets and travel throughout the season to be eligible to purchase), to stand on that dangerous terrace, before spending the night and early morning travelling up a snow filled M40 back to Birmingham. Merry fucking Christmas.
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I hope they are doing work behind the scenes to look at new managers.
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Fair play artvandelay - I went last year and drove home through the night to get back to brum airport for a flight to lanzarote .
I looked at Brentford away and boro away and thought “fuck it” spunk the best part of £300 plus for me and my son over two games watching ‘Bruceball ‘ or save the money .
I can’t justify spending my hard earned watching the shit this tosser serves up .
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I accept that injuries have played a part in our poor form the last few weeks but even before that we were never winning comfortably always seemed to be hanging on more resolute than in command. When you look at the money that recent managers have spent we should be pissing this division.
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One reason he won’t leave. We have fcuk all money to pay off yet another coaching team. Besides which would he be allowed to bring in Agnew if he was on the verge of going. The doctor has gone quiet. Maybe he’s resigned to years in this shite league.
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I really doubt agnew is on a long contract. probably per month. He's probably got one eye on returning to management
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I am fed up of his bollox to be fair. Its nothing to do with his background, I actually like listening to him as a person but his set up of a team is shocking.
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The club smells of death.
Blimey. Steady on.
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Here you go. Just to give you something to sleep/wake up to, both managers' comments courtesy of PA:
STEVE BRUCE BEMOANS 'RIDICULOUS' MISTAKES AFTER ASTON VILLA LOSE AT BRENTFORD
Aston Villa boss Steve Bruce lamented "ridiculous" mistakes after his side's
winless run was extended to five games with a 2-1 loss at Brentford on Tuesday
evening.
The result at a rain-soaked Griffin Park left Bruce's side three points adrift
of the Sky Bet Championship play-off places, and moved the Bees up to 12th in
the standings.
Asked what he thought of another game without a victory, Bruce replied: "Not a
lot. We weren't good enough with the ball, we made a number of mistakes and many
of them lately have been ridiculous ones from experienced players.
"It was simply not good enough. You have to do the basics right and earn the
right to play, and we are not doing basics well enough and not playing well
enough with the ball. We gave the ball away numerous times and then resorted to
hit and hope.
"I thought I'd seen the last of performances like that. We're supposed to romp
away with it at places like this, but Brentford are a really good side and have
been for a couple of years so hats off to them."
Goals from Romaine Sawyers and Lasse Vibe ensured back-to-back wins for
childhood Villa fan Dean Smith's side, with Josh Onomah's header having got the
visitors back level on the half-hour mark.
Bruce sympathised with the visiting fans, who expressed their frustrations in
west London.
"We are a big club with a big history, big tradition and unbelievable support
who rightly vented their feelings," he said. "If I'd made the journey down
here, I'd have done the same... and I have done.
"Now we have to batten down the hatches and work hard. We're having a blip,
but it's all to play for. We will be better on Saturday (at Middlesbrough),
because I don't think we could be any worse."
Bruce had spoken before the match about the Bees' expectations not being as
high as his side's, and opposite number Smith believes his team's 'little
Brentford' tag is helping them stay in the race for a top-six finish.
"He's probably right, to be honest, but it works in our favour because
opposition supporters see us as 'little Brentford' and are surprised when they
see the standard of our football," Smith said.
"Our expectation is to finish in the top six. We know that will be difficult
because of the size and finances of other clubs in this division, but we have
had two defeats in 17 league games and that is tremendous in this league.
"I'd like to have more competition for places at the moment, but performances
like this show the strength, quality and character we have in this squad.
"It wasn't a deluxe performance but given the conditions and the fact that we
have a lot of injuries which means people playing out of position, we were very
good value for the win.
"We just keep taking each game as it comes, trying to win them and proving
people wrong by always competing with big clubs like Villa."
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The club smells of death.
Blimey. Steady on.
Yes death is too strong. We smell more like a room that hasn't been aired out for years, dark, stuffy, stale, dust ridden and in need of some sunlight, fresh air and fancy pot pourri.
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The club smells of death.
Blimey. Steady on.
Yes death is too strong. We smell more like a room that hasn't been aired out for years, dark, stuffy, stale, dust ridden and in need of some sunlight, fresh air and fancy pot pourri.
Maybe one of them Yankee candles
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A blip? 5 games without a win isn't a blip yer deluded twat.
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Possibly a 'blip' lasting seven games by Monday, Steve? When will this 'blip' end?
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My fault I signed up to unibet not won since
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I was supremely confident of promotion at the beginning of December. However, it’s now the end of December and we haven’t got a fucking clue. He needs to go now. The players have no idea what they’re supposed to be doing.
However, I don’t think any manager who’d come to us will change it.
We’re going to languish in this league for a very long time I fear.
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Soaked to the skin, freezing cold and watching that utter fucking pish. Do us all a favour Steve and bugger off mate.
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I didnt think we were that overly terrible but far too obvious at times, especially in the second half. Disapointed with result though.
We were worse than terrible. To think otherwise would strongly point to a person being on a wind up.
No, it would point to a person having a opinion different to yours.
It points to an internet troll who is permanently on a wind up.
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Can anyone see us getting 42 points with the games we’ve got left? Minimum 80 needed for the play offs I reckon.
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Can we all take a reality check please? Whilst this oaf is in charge, we aren’t going anywhere for a very long time.
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Sorry just read that nan's hair statement again and he reckons we resorted to "hit and hope"?!! wtf have we been playing for the last year and a bit? Has the op acciddently posted a guardiola post match interview? What sort of football does he believe we normally play? The guy is deluded.
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Steve Bruce says he reacted in exactly the same way to supporters following tonight’s dismal showing at Brentford and declared: “We’re only a week away from a crisis at Aston Villa.”
The above is normally followed by ‘its off with me Head this week it’s ridiculous.’
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We simply don't do enough work on the training ground if failing to do the basics is a problem.
Keep the ball better and we might not concede so many corners which lead to plenty of goals conceded.
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Broken record man, just fuck off.
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That was slow and predictable again tonight. We were as bad as the weather, I was in Bruce’s camp earlier in the season (pre Norwich) believing we had the right guy at the helm and he needed time but now I’m afraid I have seen enough of late to suggest that we need a change. We are at best average and boring to watch.
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You know the style is going to be as far removed from fluid, total football as it is possible to be under Steve Boof. That is the price you pay; the pact you make with the devil.
No cheeky little give'n'goes on the edge of the opposition penalty area. No real craft or flair.
I do expect us to look semi organised defensively though. And to have a better conversion rate at set pieces. I wonder what they do actually work on at BH, if they aren't even working on that. Must be a total doss for the hour and a half they are in each morning.
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The pact you make with the devil.
Perfectly summed up the last 13 months in seven words. Make it end.
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I'd like this to end tomorrow. The club has to take action before the window opens because we are sinking very fast. 17 fucking points behind Wolves. What a disgrace.
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Can we all take a reality check please? Whilst this oaf is in charge, we aren’t going anywhere for a very long time.
Desmond, once again you completely nail in with so few words. A reality check that I see most are waking up to.
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My fault I signed up to unibet not won since
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Well hurry up and unfucking subscribe before Saturday.
Please.
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We simply don't do enough work on the training ground if failing to do the basics is a problem.
Keep the ball better and we might not concede so many corners which lead to plenty of goals conceded.
You do wonder. He's over a year in charge now and there is still no discernible style of play or cohesive formation. A good 20 minute period and being solid at the back has been enough to win us games in this division, but when the latter hasn't been the case we have looked a complete mess.
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Just got back. Yet again another missed opportunity to impose ourselves on the opposition. I just don't see what the game plan was. At no stage did Steve Bruce or his coaching team tactically change how we played to affect the game. Another mid table finish at best. Its simply not good enough.
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We simply don't do enough work on the training ground if failing to do the basics is a problem.
Keep the ball better and we might not concede so many corners which lead to plenty of goals conceded.
You do wonder. He's over a year in charge now and there is still no discernible style of play or cohesive formation. A good 20 minute period and being solid at the back has been enough to win us games in this division, but when the latter hasn't been the case we have looked a complete mess.
One day, we'll all laugh about this and try and work out exactly what was Bruce's style, other than boring the tits off us. That day can't come soon enough but before it does we have to find somebody willing to take the job. Millions are more qualified but who wants to enter the Manager's Graveyard.
My thoughts are it's probably one of the easiest jobs today in football. Great squad, just outside the play-offs, just get the basics right and you'll get offered a 4 year, multi-million pound contract in the summer. Shit. I might even apply myself.
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The pact you make with the devil.
Perfectly summed up the last 13 months in seven words. Make it end.
I thought you at least got something exciting or useful when you sell your soul to Satan?
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The pact you make with the devil.
Perfectly summed up the last 13 months in seven words. Make it end.
I thought you at least got something exciting or useful when you sell your soul to Satan?
Stability, Joe. Don't you just love it.
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my patience with this shower of shite is wearing very very thin.
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my patience with this shower of shite is wearing very very thin.
I hope the owner is past that point.
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You know the style is going to be as far removed from fluid, total football as it is possible to be under Steve Boof. That is the price you pay; the pact you make with the devil.
No cheeky little give'n'goes on the edge of the opposition penalty area. No real craft or flair.
I do expect us to look semi organised defensively though. And to have a better conversion rate at set pieces. I wonder what they do actually work on at BH, if they aren't even working on that. Must be a total doss for the hour and a half they are in each morning.
The best "cheeky little give and go" came from Whelan when under no pressure he gave the ball to a Brentford player who then nutmegged him to set up the opening goal. So bad I had to rewind it to prove I wasn't seeing things. We've spent fortunes while Dean Smith has just developed a style of play that they are comfortable with and when required are very good at. Whelan still gets picked for his country. There bloke is a relative unknown but made him look silly. It's not a rant at Whelan in particular but for me it highlights our problem. Their players have a style of play that's easy on the eye we have internationals that they make look like pub players. How Steve? Riddle me that will you?
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No plan or idea going forwards. No legs in midfield to press or impose yourself. Too many players in rank form being being picked.
Some abysmal football. The bad run is extended at a time when we could and ought to have closed the gap on 2nd.
We're out the play offs and in mid-table. No improvement since the last time we played mid-table Brentford.
We are stairing a generation of 2nd division football in the face.
Sack him.
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my patience with this shower of shite is wearing very very thin.
I hope the owner is past that point.
Indeed - it is important he has.
There can be NO excuses for the dirge served up recent weeks. None.
If you set up to play negatively, making the team more prone to defensive mistakes and have no idea how to manage a game in terms of keeping a lead, getting late winners and make timely substitutions then you are not fit to manage this club.
GOOD-BYE
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I didnt think we were that overly terrible but far too obvious at times, especially in the second half. Disapointed with result though.
We were worse than terrible. To think otherwise would strongly point to a person being on a wind up.
No, it would point to a person having a opinion different to yours.
It points to an internet troll who is permanently on a wind up.
Calling a fellow fan a troll because I said we didnt play terrible? Oh dear. I can only suggest you ignore my posts if that's what you really think. Simple as that really.
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He lost the away crowd last night.
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There is a Jack-Knifed Lorry blocking a chunk of the M1 - it is still moving faster than Glen Whelan.
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He said before the game that he was going to freshen things up and give a chance to players who have been waiting and other than Hogan and Elphick coming in, he didnt really. De Laet should have started, RHM should have been on the bench and we still havent seen Bjarnasson play where he does for his country.
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I didnt think we were that overly terrible but far too obvious at times, especially in the second half. Disapointed with result though.
We were worse than terrible. To think otherwise would strongly point to a person being on a wind up.
No, it would point to a person having a opinion different to yours.
It points to an internet troll who is permanently on a wind up.
Calling a fellow fan a troll because I said we didnt play terrible? Oh dear. I can only suggest you ignore my posts if that's what you really think. Simple as that really.
I don't think you are trolling anyone but the continued defence of Bruce seems misguided at best and utterly mind boggling from my chair.
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I didnt think we were that overly terrible but far too obvious at times, especially in the second half. Disapointed with result though.
We were worse than terrible. To think otherwise would strongly point to a person being on a wind up.
No, it would point to a person having a opinion different to yours.
It points to an internet troll who is permanently on a wind up.
Calling a fellow fan a troll because I said we didnt play terrible? Oh dear. I can only suggest you ignore my posts if that's what you really think. Simple as that really.
I don't think you are trolling anyone but the continued defence of Bruce seems misguided at best and utterly mind boggling from my chair.
All I said last night was that we didnt play overly terrible. No, of course it's not good enough and if it continues then the inevitable will happen and besides, if Ad's is right about the away support losing patience then that's where it normally starts.
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Craplights (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11186051/brentford-2-1-aston-villa)
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Bruciebollox (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11186065/bruce-not-good-enough)
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All I said last night was that we didnt play overly terrible. No, of course it's not good enough and if it continues then the inevitable will happen and besides, if Ad's is right about the away support losing patience then that's where it normally starts.
As you know, I've never been a fan of the man. Mainly because he has no discernible winning style and stays with the tried and tested even when the opposition has worked it out.
I didn't go last night but will be at the Riverside on Saturday, when Pulis will doubtlessly outwit him ... after which, DrT should deliver the coup de grace.
A question: is Dean Smith someone who could come in and actually make a difference?
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All I said last night was that we didnt play overly terrible. No, of course it's not good enough and if it continues then the inevitable will happen and besides, if Ad's is right about the away support losing patience then that's where it normally starts.
As you know, I've never been a fan of the man. Mainly because he has no discernible winning style and stays with the tried and tested even when the opposition has worked it out.
I didn't go last night but will be at the Riverside on Saturday, when Pulis will doubtlessly outwit him ... after which, DrT should deliver the coup de grace.
A question: is Dean Smith someone who could come in and actually make a difference?
I would expect in the short term the results to be similar where we knock on the door to or scrape the playoffs. I have little doubt the actual playing style would be much improved.
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Craplights (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11186051/brentford-2-1-aston-villa)
Taylor ball-watching for the second goal, and Hutton making crass mistakes; Elphick diving in like it's some sort of last-man-standing competition; Elmo looking like the only Villa player who can cross a ball (other than Hogan for the equaliser).
It's the basics of passing, moving and controlling the ball, a lack of shape and off-form players being played.
Other than that, we're fine.
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We didn't play well last night but the highlight for me was drinking in the Griffin pub before the match and talking to a retired ex coach who used to coach John Terry when he was 12 or 13 years old.
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Surely Whelan jedinak and the truly awful Snodgrass have to be taken out of this side.
But you just know barring injury they will be the first names on the team sheet come Saturday.
This is Brucies biggest failing (as inept tactical ability is now just accepted by all) in favouring the same players even when any form has disappeared
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I honestly don’t see what Snodgrass brings to the team. He’s offers nothing and constantly slows the game down by cutting back onto his left foot but, rather than driving inside, he simply rolls it back to the RB or inside to the midfield. He never takes his man out of play by beating him or playing an incisive ball and is just another one who is too slow and pedestrian. Without green or kodjia we are frightningly laborious and slow.
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I honestly don’t see what Snodgrass brings to the team. He’s offers nothing and constantly slows the game down by cutting back onto his left foot but, rather than driving inside, he simply rolls it back to the RB or inside to the midfield. He never takes his man out of play by beating him or playing an incisive ball and is just another one who is too slow and pedestrian. Without green or kodjia we are frightningly laborious and slow.
Agree - although is that position his best?
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Surely Whelan jedinak and the truly awful Snodgrass have to be taken out of this side.
But you just know barring injury they will be the first names on the team sheet come Saturday.
This is Brucies biggest failing (as inept tactical ability is now just accepted by all) in favouring the same players even when any form has disappeared
Poor performances are rewarded with a starting berth next game. Loyalty like this will deservedly cost him his job.
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That was absolute gash
£80 million spent and we are currently in 8th place in the second division - simply not good enough.
Crap football when you are eking out wins is just about acceptable; crap football and crap results is not
We have a decent squad of players but a manager who has no idea how to set them up to play - I have had enough of his hoof ball but Wyness and Dr Tony seem to think that they've hired some 'promotion specialist' who knows how to get us out of this division so accept this mediocrity and aren't for budging.
We may still get in the play offs by beating your Burtons, Boltons and Barnsley by the odd goal between now and May but have zero chance of going up without a significant improvement on what I have seen in the last 18 months
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What’s so apparent is the gaps we have on the field between lines. In the distance from our front to midfield you could turn a bus and the same in behind the centre mid.
We are so easy to play against it’s plain to see for everyone.
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What’s so apparent is the gaps we have on the field between lines. In the distance from our front to midfield you could turn a bus and the same in behind the centre mid.
We are so easy to play against it’s plain to see for everyone.
Apart from the one person who can actually do something about it...
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I’ve seen corpses with piles running faster than Whelan.
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GetWestLondon (http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brentford-2-1-aston-villa-14084879)
It's not how much you spend, it's how you spend it
Since Aston Villa were relegated to the Championship they have spent more on transfer fees than Brentford have in their entire history.
Yet, the Bees have picked up eight points out of a possible 12 against the Villans and, on the balance of those two games at Villa Park which ended in draws, could easily have had all of them.
Scott Hogan is a prime example of this. Brentford's play is based around possession and attacking at speed and the striker thrived on it.
Villa's play, based on the two games against the west Londoners this season, is much more ponderous and, with the way the Bees press, it limited Hogan's impact on the game, although he did set up the equaliser.
Their approach has been similar to Birmingham's in the summer – Supermarket Sweep. It's signing players on reputation and not, necessarily, on what is best for the team.
Brentford benefit from having a philosophy in place irrelevant of the personnel in place which means that, rather than asking 'why did we well(sic) him', the club ask 'why does it matter that he's gone?'
Hogan departs and Lasse Vibe steps up and delivers. Jota leaves and Ollie Watkins thrives in his stead. Harlee Dean moves on and Chris Mepham steps up brilliantly.
Too often clubs try and shove a square peg into a round hole but the Bees would only sign a player if they can fit into their setup. This is where they create the advantage over teams like Aston Villa.
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The most salient points of that piece being well all of it.
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The need to spend loads of money to get out of the Championship is a complete myth. It’s why I haven’t given up on us being able to put this right with a plan that involves buying talented players before they become household names and bringing through academy players. We swung for the fences (a baseball term) in trying to get out as quickly as possible. With the FPP really kicking in next season we will still be able to spend more than almost of our opponents with the exception of most of the recently relegated sides. But as we have proved that means nothing if they don’t spend it well.
We have to be better at everything if we not only want to get out but stay up once we do.
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Grealish is the one player who tries to make things happen that's why the opposition double team him. watching players on big money unable to complete a ten yard pass really pisses me off.
Sadly how often does he MAKE things happen ?
Talk about giving a player an easy ride. Jack has been the 'next golden boy' for about 4/5 years now and still hasn't shown fuck all to back it up. He doesn't even look consistently good at this level FFS.
He cuased them no problems at all last night, his runs at the defence were predictable and dealt with with ease, he looked way off what some of their players did quality wise as well. HE'S NOT THAT GOOD. People need to open their eyes.
He also did, two ridiculous back heels in the middle of the pitch which lost possession. The next Messi for sure
Saying Jack makes things happen is the same as saying Hutton tries hard.
Load of bollocks on both counts IMHO
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Grealish is the one player who tries to make things happen that's why the opposition double team him. watching players on big money unable to complete a ten yard pass really pisses me off.
Sadly how often does he MAKE things happen ?
Talk about giving a player an easy ride. Jack has been the 'next golden boy' for about 4/5 years now and still hasn't shown fuck all to back it up. He doesn't even look consistently good at this level FFS.
He cuased them no problems at all last night, his runs at the defence were predictable and dealt with with ease, he looked way off what some of their players did quality wise as well. HE'S NOT THAT GOOD. People need to open their eyes.
He also did, two ridiculous back heels in the middle of the pitch which lost possession. The next Messi for sure
Saying Jack makes things happen is the same as saying Hutton tries hard.
Load of bollocks on both counts IMHO
That's largely my opinion of him, but he actually played decent and tried last night. he was just on a totally different wavelength. Either his teammates weren't quick enough to work out what he was trying to do or they were too locked into the brucie gameplan. Still equates to the same i guess. He might as well have been trying to pass the ball to a load of rugby union players
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Grealish is the one player who tries to make things happen that's why the opposition double team him. watching players on big money unable to complete a ten yard pass really pisses me off.
Sadly how often does he MAKE things happen ?
Talk about giving a player an easy ride. Jack has been the 'next golden boy' for about 4/5 years now and still hasn't shown fuck all to back it up. He doesn't even look consistently good at this level FFS.
He cuased them no problems at all last night, his runs at the defence were predictable and dealt with with ease, he looked way off what some of their players did quality wise as well. HE'S NOT THAT GOOD. People need to open their eyes.
He also did, two ridiculous back heels in the middle of the pitch which lost possession. The next Messi for sure
Saying Jack makes things happen is the same as saying Hutton tries hard.
Load of bollocks on both counts IMHO
He's had a disrupted season because of injury, but I too have my doubts about him. He does have his moments in games and does have some sublime touches, he doesn't really affect games on a regular basis in terms of chances and goals.
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where I sit in upper holte theres obviously no sth in front or behind me so every home game you continually hear same things from the diff people that sit in those seats.
"Snodgrass run into space" " Whelan play it forward not back" " Whelan terrible pass"
its every fooking game not just one and yet these players seem to get a starting place.
every team that comes to vp has a game plan that susses us out.
hourihane cant get forward cause he continually got to come back to help the immobile Whelan. yet Whelan keeps his place and ch don't the list of total fuck ups goes on and on a train load of Stephen Hawkins could not work out bruces plans and tactics.
like the Cleveland browns fan said "ah well see you all on Saturday"
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he doesn't really affect games on a regular basis in terms of chances and goals.
And that's the problem for me, too many people are still pinning their hopes on him being some world beater they were told he could be.
He's not a kid anymore and he's got to do more to back it up.
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Grealish is the one player who tries to make things happen that's why the opposition double team him. watching players on big money unable to complete a ten yard pass really pisses me off.
Sadly how often does he MAKE things happen ?
Talk about giving a player an easy ride. Jack has been the 'next golden boy' for about 4/5 years now and still hasn't shown fuck all to back it up. He doesn't even look consistently good at this level FFS.
He cuased them no problems at all last night, his runs at the defence were predictable and dealt with with ease, he looked way off what some of their players did quality wise as well. HE'S NOT THAT GOOD. People need to open their eyes.
He also did, two ridiculous back heels in the middle of the pitch which lost possession. The next Messi for sure
Saying Jack makes things happen is the same as saying Hutton tries hard.
Load of bollocks on both counts IMHO
I've been saying the same about both players, trying hard and actually doing anything are two totally different things.
In my opinion, Grealish is the new Gabby living off what he did in a semi final ffs and don't get me started on the Scottish Cafu??? More like the Scottish crapoo!!!
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"I'm not making excuses. But we keep chopping and changing as we've lost key players," Bruce told BBC WM.
"You hope it won't derail you. but we're without our best players. And, when you need your big ones to do something and pull you out of the mire, they're not here."
"I don't think it's a work-rate thing. It's just that, in the last couple of weeks in particular, we've made mistakes. And we found it very difficult against a very good Brentford side.
"I don't want any team of mine just crashing the ball forward. We've got to have some structure, not just get rid of it."
So "not making excuses", then goes on to do just that.......and this
"I don't want any team of mine just crashing the ball forward. We've got to have some structure, not just get rid of it."
Just fucking FUCK OFF will you!!!!
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Grealish is the new Flabby? Blimey, that escalated quickly.
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He has a point I think about us missing our best players because Kodjia and Terry are both very good. Terry in particular gave us an air of confidence at the back but we shouldnt be missing them to the point where we're out of the play off spots.
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He has a point I think about us missing our best players because Kodjia and Terry are both very good. Terry in particular gave us an air of confidence at the back but we shouldnt be missing them to the point where we're out of the play off spots.
We have come up against teams recently that have been missing key players too. We should be in a position to cope better than others.
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well the thing with Kodjia is we should have 20m pounds worth of replacements to come in - why he can't get a tune out of them is largely down to Bruce. In defence, well i foolishly thought Samba was extra cover not Baker's replacement. Elphick by rights should be a half decent replacement. I certainly don't think he was that bad last night considering he was playing against both Brentford's forwards and Whelan, but again he's been basically told he's surplus to requirements by Bruce. Great way to motivate players you may need 8)
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He has a point I think about us missing our best players because Kodjia and Terry are both very good. Terry in particular gave us an air of confidence at the back but we shouldnt be missing them to the point where we're out of the play off spots.
You’d think that we are the only team missing good players. We’re not, everyone by this stage is missing players. Most squads aren’t remotely as deep as ours. He’s just trotting out the excuses now. And it’s more than just players. There is no style of play. No thought going into games on how best to use what he has at his disposal. Once again last night was hit and hope to Hogan. It’s pathetic now. So while I accept losing key players has had an affect it shouldn’t have derailed us to this extent.
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He has a point I think about us missing our best players because Kodjia and Terry are both very good. Terry in particular gave us an air of confidence at the back but we shouldnt be missing them to the point where we're out of the play off spots.
So while I accept losing key players has had an affect it shouldn’t have derailed us to this extent.
That's more or less exactly what i've said.
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Missing players is one thing. Having no discernible playing style and serving up some of the worst passing I can remember from a Villa team is quite another. There’s an elephant in the room here, Steve.
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He has a point I think about us missing our best players because Kodjia and Terry are both very good. Terry in particular gave us an air of confidence at the back but we shouldnt be missing them to the point where we're out of the play off spots.
For fucks sake !!
There are many, many teams in this poxy division that have a tiny fraction of the resources that we can call upon.
If we can’t beat Millwall, Sheffield, and fucking Brentford with or without the squad that we can call upon then there is no hope for us.
I’m not sure what’s worse, the manager making fucking poxy excuses, or the fans who blindly fall for them.
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He has a point I think about us missing our best players because Kodjia and Terry are both very good. Terry in particular gave us an air of confidence at the back but we shouldnt be missing them to the point where we're out of the play off spots.
For fucks sake !!
There are many, many teams in this poxy division that have a tiny fraction of the resources that we can call upon.
If we can’t beat Millwall, Sheffield, and fucking Brentford with or without the squad that we can call upon then there is no hope for us.
I’m not sure what’s worse, the manager making fucking poxy excuses, or the fans who blindly fall for them.
Try reading my post all the way through again.
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'' I won't be making excuses....... BUT, we couldn't beat two teams at home who last season were in the 3rd division purely because we don't have Kodjia to pull me out of the mire because I send teams out who don't impose themselves on the game and produce nothing football''
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Oh and fuck off Spud.
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He has a point I think about us missing our best players because Kodjia and Terry are both very good. Terry in particular gave us an air of confidence at the back but we shouldnt be missing them to the point where we're out of the play off spots.
Kodija was particularly poor this season on his return from injury when we were playing our best football.
Maybe Terry's leadership and quality will inspire better displays on the pitch, certainly Johnstone and Chester will improve but Bruce can't seem to get the team as a whole to improve with consistent performances.
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In these interviews why doesn't anyone ask him about this more expansive
Football that he was going to implement? . The new midfield he bought in
January that would improve our attacking prowess?
Why we spent so much £ on a striker that we don't utilize properly considering we
Have to manage FFP
Would it be fair to say Steve you fell upon Davis and adomah by luck rather than strategic acumen
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He has a point I think about us missing our best players because Kodjia and Terry are both very good. Terry in particular gave us an air of confidence at the back but we shouldnt be missing them to the point where we're out of the play off spots.
Kodija was particularly poor this season on his return from injury when we were playing our best football.
Maybe Terry's leadership and quality will inspire better displays on the pitch, certainly Johnstone and Chester will improve but Bruce can't seem to get us to improve.
Bruce in his desperation brought Kodjia back way to soon and was never actually fit enough to play. And so it proved as he broke down soon after.
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He has a point I think about us missing our best players because Kodjia and Terry are both very good. Terry in particular gave us an air of confidence at the back but we shouldnt be missing them to the point where we're out of the play off spots.
Kodija was particularly poor this season on his return from injury when we were playing our best football.
Maybe Terry's leadership and quality will inspire better displays on the pitch, certainly Johnstone and Chester will improve but Bruce can't seem to get us to improve.
Bruce in his desperation brought Kodjia back way to soon and was never actually fit enough to play. And so it proved as he broke down soon after.
Maybe it's possible that he came back too early, but that would have been a decision by everyone concerned, not solely the manager.
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He has a point I think about us missing our best players because Kodjia and Terry are both very good. Terry in particular gave us an air of confidence at the back but we shouldnt be missing them to the point where we're out of the play off spots.
Kodija was particularly poor this season on his return from injury when we were playing our best football.
Maybe Terry's leadership and quality will inspire better displays on the pitch, certainly Johnstone and Chester will improve but Bruce can't seem to get us to improve.
Bruce in his desperation brought Kodjia back way to soon and was never actually fit enough to play. And so it proved as he broke down soon after.
Maybe it's possible that he came back too early, but that would have been a decision by everyone concerned, not solely the manager.
from an article earlier I read about SB sacking at Sunderland so you could be right
'during which players such as David Meyler were rushed back from serious injuries only to suffer further complications'
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Has Bruce improved a single player he has either purchased, or inherited? My view is an indefatigable no.
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James Chester? Sam Johnstone? Hutton?
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James Chester? Sam Johnstone? Hutton?
Your obviously entitled to your opinion matey but Chester was always good, Johnstone is a maybe, Hutton is a strange one as he was essentially replaced by Elmo. I honestly think he’s stifled nearly every player he’s got. A couple of exceptions in Terry, Johnstone and Chester but they play in positions where you cannot hide. Many of his signings have gone backwards. He blames the heightened expectations. I blame him.
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I wouldn't say he's stifled Adomah and although he's not brilliant, Taylor hasn't been that bad a buy.
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well he's basically a cheque book manager even though he's rarely got hold of a decent chequebook. Walked out of sheffield U and Hull claiming there was no money, sacked by sunderland and huddersfield after wasting a fortune. He's not a guy who's going to bring through youth if he has money, that's for sure
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I said nearly Clampy. Adomah is absolutely a notable absence but one who Bruce had to pick because Alberts form was so good. Snodgrass, Hogan, Elmo, Whelan and so many others have performed elsewhere but not for Bruce. Some of the others are really very ordinary including, for me, Jedinak, Taylor, sadly, Hourihane too. So very frustrating. Davis has gone backwards.
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He didn't start Adomah in a league game until the middle of September so i'm not sure he can even be given a win for his form.
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Keinan Davis - I’ll get my coat.
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I wouldn't say he's stifled Adomah and although he's not brilliant, Taylor hasn't been that bad a buy.
I think Taylor was a really poor signing, especially when you consider the fact that he's decided to go with inverted wingers and 2 holding midfielders. That style can works if you have full backs who bomb forward and provide quality into the box, doing it and then playign Hutton and Taylor is one of the core reasons why we don't score enough goals. This is why I'm convinced he's just winging it when it comes to tactics, even if you ignore the performances and focus just on the signings he's made it's all a little bit all over the place, with no obvious plan for they were going to be used. When you add in everything that's happened since it's even clearer that "don't concede many and hope for the best at the other end" is the jist of it.
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well he's basically a cheque book manager even though he's rarely got hold of a decent chequebook. Walked out of sheffield U and Hull claiming there was no money, sacked by sunderland and huddersfield after wasting a fortune. He's not a guy who's going to bring through youth if he has money, that's for sure
It's the standard British manager shtick though, man management and cheque book in back pocket.
But even with that it should be good enough to get out of the second division. Bruce has managed it before especially last time out at Hull. Getting them back up was some achievement given the backdrop of fans and board at war and don't think he spent much either.