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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on December 01, 2017, 09:42:41 PM
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Better after the subs but overall a crap performance against a crap Leeds side.
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All things considered with our injuries and especially after a very poor first half that is a good result.
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Happy with a point.Unfortunately so was Bruce with his negative formation.
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It's so much easier to like Lansbury, a) when he scores a beauty; and b) much more importantly, now that he's got rid of that terrible fucking haircut.
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All things considered with our injuries and especially after a very poor first half that is a good result.
A voice if reason
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Considering the number of players we have out, that's a decent result. Davis needs a rest. And a referee that doesn't hate his guts might help.
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Good effort in second half, and excellent from Lansbury. Decent point with all the injuries.
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Good result after a shocking first half
Bruce’s subs made the difference
Jack looked good although lacked real threat
Chester and whelan (second half) the pick
Davis and Onomah very poor. Games like today you really want a striker on the bench
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Game of two halves. Got stuck in second half. Jack must start every bleedin game.
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It's so much easier to like Lansbury, a) when he scores a beauty; and b) much more importantly, now that he's got rid of that terrible fucking haircut.
Agreed on both fronts. Was certain that their shit-haired defender was going to score against us, just to spite me.
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Good substitutions from Bruce second half that got us back in the game. Could easily have won that in the end.
An away point against one of the better reams in the league is OK I guess.
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Some people are never happy. You can clearly see this is a different more resilient villa side this year. Good point we keep Leeds in 7th six points behind us.
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Awful first half after a sloppy goal. Second half we were easily the better side. I wanted us to control the game and we did largely. Gives me hope for 2nd, but also that we could handle a play off scenario too.
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Happy with that. In the 2nd half we improved, a tough ask.
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Good second half performance
Good result
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Only saw the second half, seemed better after Jack came on. Should be putting these kind of teams to the sword if we wanna reach the top two.
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I really don't the negativity thing. Leeds are a team battling for playoffs they were on it 1st half and we came back 2nd. Good result good performance. Good attacking substitutions
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Shit performance till the subs came on. Came for a draw so Nan's hair must be chuffed, but shows we could have blown them away if he fielded a team that actually aims to win. 7 points off the top 2 now, so we better hope we don't slip up in the home games this month or Bruce's safety first tactics will be in tatters.
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The win is always best but we never really looked like getting that so I'm glad we got something from the game. Just one shot on target for Leeds though.
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Decent point considering how dreadful we were in the first half.
Good goal from Edmund Blackadder. Must back this up now with three points against Millwall.
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Bad first half good second half, well done Steve Bruce on the substitutions might be a decent point come the end of the season.
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The change was that we were prepared to get a bit nasty in the second half, Whelan Hutton Lansbury Taylor all showed a bit of aggression.
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Pleased to nick a point in a tough fixture without playing well.
Bruce made the correct substitutions, but 10-15 minutes too late or else we may have won.
Pontus Jannson is an annoying prick.
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A good result considering so many players out with injury. Davis really needed to come off after 75 minutes...but there's no one else!! People need to take this into account!
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Please to nick a point in a tough fixture without playing well.
Bruce made the correct substitutions, but 10-15 minutes too late or else we may have won.
Pontus Jannson is an annoying prick.
I've never met a Pontus I didn't like. Nor one I liked.
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Happy with a point. hardest game in December and we came away with something. Feeling pretty good about it as after the first half I assumed it was going to be a bad day for us.
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Fact is we went away to a tough ground and come away with a point.
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A good point, from a dreadful game
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Some of Jacks control and touches has really shown what we have been missing. I hope he gets a run of games soon.
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Shit performance till the subs came on. Came for a draw so Nan's hair must be chuffed, but shows we could have blown them away if he fielded a team that actually aims to win. 7 points off the top 2 now, so we better hope we don't slip up in the home games this month or Bruce's safety first tactics will be in tatters.
Came for a draw and doesn't send out teams that aims to win? Think I'll disagree with that. Better second half deserved a point.
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Give them a break they are both teenagers!
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He needs to work out an alternative for Davis, he needs a rest.
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I reckon Boro and Derby are harder games, Leeds are crap at the moment. 7 defeats in 10 before tonight and despite how woeful we were before the subs they only managed 1 shot on target.
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Great result considering my fears and the first half.
Pretty? Nope. Effective? absolutely.
I thought Whelan was immense. Results like this are what get you up, go to difficult places and get something.
We are a club in recovery and I see the signs in every game.
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Hutton the stand out for me. Roofe will be having nightmares about being threatened by a tattooed Scottish psychopath for some time.
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Shit performance till the subs came on. Came for a draw so Nan's hair must be chuffed, but shows we could have blown them away if he fielded a team that actually aims to win. 7 points off the top 2 now, so we better hope we don't slip up in the home games this month or Bruce's safety first tactics will be in tatters.
Came for a draw and doesn't send out teams that aims to win? Think I'll disagree with that. Better second half deserved a point.
nah his usual cowardly tactics in the first half. credit that he actually changed it for once with the subs but they were all over the place once the subs were on. They're not very good and we should have done them if he had any ambition
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Great subs great result and we look resilient now. Beat Millwall and things look really good. Jack needs to start over Onomah and Davis needs a break. Arguably first thing positive Lansbury had done in a Villa shirt. Full backs great as well.
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I said a point before the game would have been a good result all things considered...and it's even more so given how poor we were in the first half. A point gained rather than 2 points lost.
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Davis is a worry, kid needs rest now and again but hard to see how we can do it.
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I think the halftime rocket might have been from JT. Whoever, it worked.
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Oh and well done Glen Whelan. You are very underrated.
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Bruce triggered a response second half after we have been second best to everything. Players put their foot in and upset their rhythm which saw us begin to dominate. You can't complain about a point at Elland Road. Yes we may have lost ground this weekend but in the shake up that will be a decent result. We still have Cardiff, Wolves, Bristol, Leeds at home and are still yet to play Sheffield and Derby. Still very much in our hands and we don't look like losing anymore. It's a difficult month ahead and so long as we're in touching distance of the top 2 then I can only see us being stronger in the second half of the season. Should either Sheffield or Cardiff get an injury list like ours they will drop like a stone.
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Give them a break they are both teenagers!
Absolutely. I wasn’t criticising their effort or quality. They just didn’t play well. It will happen again. Grealish replaced Onomah and made a real difference. If we could have brought a dangerous striker in for Davis I think we could have won
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I reckon Boro and Derby are harder games, Leeds are crap at the moment. 7 defeats in 10 before tonight and despite how woeful we were before the subs they only managed 1 shot on target.
Or 2 wins in 3 before tonight
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Boro are shit at home. Derby do look a danger at the moment though.
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Whelan, Grealish & dare I say Hutton (still think he's a dreadful excuse for a footballer) were excellent.
Terrible first half.
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I reckon Boro and Derby are harder games, Leeds are crap at the moment. 7 defeats in 10 before tonight and despite how woeful we were before the subs they only managed 1 shot on target.
Or 2 wins in 3 before tonight
2 wins, 2 defeats in November. bog average side.
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Behave. They are a team team that will there or there abouts come may. Please remember we are not man city. An away draw against a top 7 team is a decent result
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I reckon Boro and Derby are harder games, Leeds are crap at the moment. 7 defeats in 10 before tonight and despite how woeful we were before the subs they only managed 1 shot on target.
Or 2 wins in 3 before tonight
2 wins, 2 defeats in November. bog average side.
And we won 4 in 5. So that makes us an excellent side with the better manager right?
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Behave. They are a team team that will there or there abouts come may. Please remember we are not man city. An away draw against a top 7 team is a decent result
suit yourself. I'm looking at the opposition above us and we're going to have to raise our game to catch them.
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Davis is a worry, kid needs rest now and again but hard to see how we can do it.
Agree. RHM may be back soon but I can only see him as a sub
I really think I might try Adomah there. Needs must and all that
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Our set up at corners cost a goal again.
Looks like opposition have done thier homework.
Crowd goalkeeper and swing in under the bar.
1 we should have a defender 2 yards in front of near post.
2 Taylor has got to take out anything within 2 yards of the goal line.
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Don’t really get some of the negativity. Shit first half better team in the second. Considering the players out injured I’d have taken a win away to them. Bruce picked the side many others would have and when it wasn’t working changed it.
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Davis is a worry, kid needs rest now and again but hard to see how we can do it.
Agree. RHM may be back soon but I can only see him as a sub
I really think I might try Adomah there. Needs must and all that
I reckon Bruce will try that tbh. I also wouldnt be surprised if he threw elmo in the mix somehow.
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I reckon Boro and Derby are harder games, Leeds are crap at the moment. 7 defeats in 10 before tonight and despite how woeful we were before the subs they only managed 1 shot on target.
Or 2 wins in 3 before tonight
2 wins, 2 defeats in November. bog average side.
Elland rd on a Friday night is a tough fixture. Very good point this evening on the back of 3 wins
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I reckon Boro and Derby are harder games, Leeds are crap at the moment. 7 defeats in 10 before tonight and despite how woeful we were before the subs they only managed 1 shot on target.
Or 2 wins in 3 before tonight
2 wins, 2 defeats in November. bog average side.
And we won 4 in 5. So that makes us an excellent side with the better manager right?
Our wins don't count though unless we've got 60 + % possession and it's against teams above us
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Davis is a worry, kid needs rest now and again but hard to see how we can do it.
Agree. RHM may be back soon but I can only see him as a sub
I really think I might try Adomah there. Needs must and all that
I agree, he is strong and has shown a few times he can hold the ball up.
We have Jack and HOULAHAN to play number 10 role.
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Ah lads, need to lay off Bruce tonight. Team picked itself, not his fault the occasion was too much for the front two. They have both had fine games for us this season but sunk without trace for us tonight.
Second half was much better, subs making a big difference. That's the biggest plus for tonight, Grealish and Lansbury really pushing hard for a start the next day when we need to freshen up the team. Thought Chester was outstanding throughout and Whelan, Taylor and Hutton were solid. Hourihane was quiet and was very disappointed in Snodgrass tonight. Going back to his former club was expecting a decent show. Looks to have lost weight but had no impact tonight.
Going forward, we are going to really struggle to score if Davis is the only option up top for next while.
Leeds are nowhere as bad as some of you are making out.
Johnstone 7, Hutton 6, Samba 5, Chester 9, Taylor 7, Snodgrass 5, Whelan 7, Hourihane 6, Adamoah 6, Onomoah 4, Davis 5. Grealish 8, Lansbury 8.
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Two points further behind top 2.
Never mind. Ignoring the first three games of the season, the losses against Wolves and Sheffield Wednesday, and the times we've drawn, we right up there with the best of them.
Or something like that. 😉
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Behave. They are a team team that will there or there abouts come may. Please remember we are not man city. An away draw against a top 7 team is a decent result
suit yourself. I'm looking at the opposition above us and we're going to have to raise our game to catch them.
Don't get me wrong I was expecting a win. But they were good 1st half and poor defending apart we could have won. Cardiff/Sheffield will drop points against Leeds,, Bristol and derby away. Today was an decent result. As has been said last year we would have rolled over and lost comfortably
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Davis does need a rest but can’t see how we can do it at the moment. I’m surprised we are getting results considering we have zero strikers on the bench.
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I thought Taylor was excellent. showed great desire to get to the ball that made the equalizer.
I'm very pleased with the point especially with the injury list.
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Marton? Still want get rid off Jack?
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They have got 8 days off. Then only a game a week until the 23rd. They should be fresh for Millwall. Davis will be just dandy.
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I thought Taylor was excellent. showed great desire to get to the ball that made the equalizer.
I'm very pleased with the point especially with the injury list.
Agree.My motm
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Behave. They are a team team that will there or there abouts come may. Please remember we are not man city. An away draw against a top 7 team is a decent result
suit yourself. I'm looking at the opposition above us and we're going to have to raise our game to catch them.
Don't get me wrong I was expecting a win. But they were good 1st half and poor defending apart we could have won. Cardiff/Sheffield will drop points against Leeds,, Bristol and derby away. Today was an decent result. As has been said last year we would have rolled over and lost comfortably
I wasn't expecting a win either but i expect Bruce to try and win the game while it's 0-0. He came for a draw because that's what he does - plays the percentages. As for cardiff and wolves we are at that point now where expecting us to win 3 games and them to pick up nothing in the season is ambitious. I hope we're still in that position come 2018
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I watched the first few minutes before they scored. It didn't look to me like we were playing for a draw at all. We played poorly, don't get me wrong, but I dont think we were setup for a draw. If anything we probably SHOULD have been setup more defensively.
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Both subs made a really positive impact and that's what we need. Lansbury looked so much sharper than last time he played.
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Two points further behind top 2.
Never mind. Ignoring the first three games of the season, the losses against Wolves and Sheffield Wednesday, and the times we've drawn, we right up there with the best of them.
Or something like that. 😉
Yes we are. Tonight we got something from a game we were not even in for a good 30 mins after their goal. Happy with that?
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Two points further behind top 2.
Never mind. Ignoring the first three games of the season, the losses against Wolves and Sheffield Wednesday, and the times we've drawn, we right up there with the best of them.
Or something like that. 😉
I’d like to see how wolves Brazil would cope without three of their best players for a lengthy period of time. Fcukin negativity does my head in.
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Not like Villa75 to be negative.
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Behave. They are a team team that will there or there abouts come may. Please remember we are not man city. An away draw against a top 7 team is a decent result
suit yourself. I'm looking at the opposition above us and we're going to have to raise our game to catch them.
Don't get me wrong I was expecting a win. But they were good 1st half and poor defending apart we could have won. Cardiff/Sheffield will drop points against Leeds,, Bristol and derby away. Today was an decent result. As has been said last year we would have rolled over and lost comfortably
I wasn't expecting a win either but i expect Bruce to try and win the game while it's 0-0. He came for a draw because that's what he does - plays the percentages. As for cardiff and wolves we are at that point now where expecting us to win 3 games and them to pick up nothing in the season is ambitious. I hope we're still in that position come 2018
There are 26 game to go. We have for example clawed a 10 point deficit to Leeds after 7 game to a 6 point advantage after 20. I am really not shitting my pants about Cardiff
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I guess people see things differently.. Don't get me wrong a point isn't a bad result but once we started to create things after the substitutions they were on their heels trying to cope. Bruce IMO will play it safe while the likes of wolves and cardiff will win those kind of away games because they're better, not playing for a good point away.
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Good point I think.
Need to beat Millwall though.
We just need to stick in there. Yes it's frustrating Cardiff keep winning but it won't happen forever, they'll hit a sticky patch soon so we need to make sure when they do we don't go on a winless run ourselves.
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Behave. They are a team team that will there or there abouts come may. Please remember we are not man city. An away draw against a top 7 team is a decent result
suit yourself. I'm looking at the opposition above us and we're going to have to raise our game to catch them.
I agree.
Derby and Sheffield UTD beat them at Elland Road. Cardiff and Wolves brushed them aside at home, which I wouldn't bet on us doing.
I predicated a draw and won my bet. These are the games we need to win if we are going to get automatic promotion, but these are the games we're unlikely to win, especially with our lack of a potent strike force. Relying on Davis will not get us top 2.
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Only at the end of the season will we see the true value of tonight's result but here and now, after being so poor first half, it looks a decent point. Great to get a fully fit and firing Lansbury and Grealish back, could make a difference. Good to show some resilience.
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Behave. They are a team team that will there or there abouts come may. Please remember we are not man city. An away draw against a top 7 team is a decent result
suit yourself. I'm looking at the opposition above us and we're going to have to raise our game to catch them.
I agree.
Derby and Sheffield UTD beat them at Elland Road. Cardiff and Wolves brushed them aside at home, which I wouldn't bet on us doing.
I predicated a draw and won my bet. These are the games we need to win if we are going to get automatic promotion, but these are the games we're unlikely to win, especially with our lack of a potent strike force. Relying on Davis will not get us top 2.
Who would you have played up front today instead?
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Samba simply not good enough cancelled out by great performances from Chester and Taylor
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Glass is half full for me. Leeds were up for it in the 1st half, and chased and harried every ball, and made us sit deep, despite that they had very few shots on goal, in fact I can't remember Johnstone making any saves.
2nd half Bruce gave the midfield 2 the first 10 minutes to see if his half time talk had made an impact, it hadn't he made the subs and we got back in the game.
Played higher and with more tempo second half, overall happy with a point.
On to the next game.
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My thinking is Wolves are the best side in the league by a mile while Warnock.....well would you bet against a man with 7 promotions?
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Im not convinced Cardiff are suddenly going to start dropping points to be honest.
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I really can’t see many teams beating us now this season, and I think we will get better. Just a shame we didn’t get a good start. Sure Wolves are looking good but I suspect they will not be relishing coming to VP. Fair play Bruce the foundation has finally been set
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Tbf I am enjoying the fact that we are competing expecting to win and not having heads in hands. We have had 5 years of utter shite and now we have a team that do physically bust a gut and appear to care.
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Im not convinced Cardiff are suddenly going to start dropping points to be honest.
It doesn't need to be suddenly. 7 points over 26 games
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Behave. They are a team team that will there or there abouts come may. Please remember we are not man city. An away draw against a top 7 team is a decent result
suit yourself. I'm looking at the opposition above us and we're going to have to raise our game to catch them.
I agree.
Derby and Sheffield UTD beat them at Elland Road. Cardiff and Wolves brushed them aside at home, which I wouldn't bet on us doing.
I predicated a draw and won my bet. These are the games we need to win if we are going to get automatic promotion, but these are the games we're unlikely to win, especially with our lack of a potent strike force. Relying on Davis will not get us top 2.
It's a good job Bruce put Davis in when he did, at least he's got a few games under his belt now we have no other options. Maybe in January we'll be able to bring another option in but for now I'm not going to complain if we stay in touch near the top while all our experienced strikers are out.
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After a really poor first half, we cannot complain about the effort and application in the second half.
Other than that top quality cross that missed 3 of their players, they created bugger all, whereas we had a couple of decent efforts, especially Bert’s chance.
A point there is a decent point considering we are playing with a rookie up front
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Bruce really needs to play a blinder in January and bring in a striker who can hit the ground running. He already knows a striker is critical so I hope we see one early in January, not on bloody deadline day.
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way i see it is we need to beat millwall and sheffield u at home, and win one of brentford, middlesborough and derby away to keep up with cardiff and wolves say winning at home and drawing or losing away.. If they keep winning 4 or 5 games out of 5 as they have recently then its a tall task to gain ground on them or even keep up with them
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Behave. They are a team team that will there or there abouts come may. Please remember we are not man city. An away draw against a top 7 team is a decent result
suit yourself. I'm looking at the opposition above us and we're going to have to raise our game to catch them.
I agree.
Derby and Sheffield UTD beat them at Elland Road. Cardiff and Wolves brushed them aside at home, which I wouldn't bet on us doing.
I predicated a draw and won my bet. These are the games we need to win if we are going to get automatic promotion, but these are the games we're unlikely to win, especially with our lack of a potent strike force. Relying on Davis will not get us top 2.
Who would you have played up front today instead?
Unfortunately, despite much money spent, I don't think we have anyone to fill in for Kodjia other than a 19 year old who isn't expected to score but 'holds the ball up well' (not that I've seen a lot of that myself).
My point was more this. Contrary to some people, who seem to think we'll be fine with Davis, I think we need to get a goalscorer in as soon as the Jan window opens.
With Kodjia out till the late spring, Hogan out of his depth at a big club, and Davis not being a goalscorer, we are not going to get automatic promotion without it.
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Behave. They are a team team that will there or there abouts come may. Please remember we are not man city. An away draw against a top 7 team is a decent result
suit yourself. I'm looking at the opposition above us and we're going to have to raise our game to catch them.
I agree.
Derby and Sheffield UTD beat them at Elland Road. Cardiff and Wolves brushed them aside at home, which I wouldn't bet on us doing.
I predicated a draw and won my bet. These are the games we need to win if we are going to get automatic promotion, but these are the games we're unlikely to win, especially with our lack of a potent strike force. Relying on Davis will not get us top 2.
Who would you have played up front today instead?
Unfortunately, despite much money spent, I don't think we have anyone to fill in for Kodjia other than a 19 year old who isn't expected to score but 'holds the ball up well' (not that I've seen a lot of that myself).
My point was more this. Contrary to some people, who seem to think we'll be fine with Davis, I think we need to get a goalscorer in as soon as the Jan window opens.
With Kodjia out till the late spring, Hogan out of his depth at a big club, and Davis not being a goalscorer, we are not going to get automatic promotion without it.
I'm confident that if you can work it out then someone at the club might recognise we're a bit light up top.
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Chester was head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch tonight. He gave an absolute masterclass in defending. He read everything and was always in the right position, his form is so crucial with Terry being out.
Great to see Jack back as well. He looked very comfortable on the ball which is not something we can say about many of our players.
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Chester was head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch tonight. He gave an absolute masterclass in defending. He read everything and was always in the right position, his form is so crucial with Terry being out.
Great to see Jack back as well. He looked very comfortable on the ball which is not something we can say about many of our players.
I agree on both points. Chester was superb, probably our only player who went in at half time having given a decent account of himself and then stepped up again in the 2nd half. Grealish coming on gave us someone to play around. They weren't used to him being there so there were a few times that Adomah, Davis and Snodgrass ran away from him down blind alleys when they could've kept it simple but it still meant that we started getting some possession in their half which forced them to defend deeper.
Hourihane off for Lansbury was a good call as well because he looked like a guy who was in need of a rest.
Given the first hour it's obviously a good point and it's a game where we'd have got nothing up until fairly recently (so credit to Bruce for that and the subs) but spells like that first half are still happening more than I'm comfortable with. It isn't that we went behind, it's that they didn't play particularly well either but still went in at half time having had on of the easiest halves of football they'll get all season. 2nd half we were decent but still far from our best and it was enough for us to totally outclass them, just doing that for 90 minutes would've been enough for a 2-3 goal win tonight.
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Who would you have played up front today instead?
Unfortunately, despite much money spent, I don't think we have anyone to fill in for Kodjia other than a 19 year old who isn't expected to score but 'holds the ball up well' (not that I've seen a lot of that myself).
My point was more this. Contrary to some people, who seem to think we'll be fine with Davis, I think we need to get a goalscorer in as soon as the Jan window opens.
With Kodjia out till the late spring, Hogan out of his depth at a big club, and Davis not being a goalscorer, we are not going to get automatic promotion without it.
Oh I agree. I think we need someone else in addition to Davis/Hogan. But I think today Bruce went with what has worked recently. I dont think he has that many options at the moment really.
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Shocking first half performance. Before the game I'd have taken a draw, at half time I'd have bitten your hand off for a 2-0 defeat. Well done lads for fighting back second half. Thank the Lord we have a few fighters in our team. I wasn't concerned for the last 10 minutes.
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If Lansbury can offer that sort of performance he'll be a real asset.
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Behave. They are a team team that will there or there abouts come may. Please remember we are not man city. An away draw against a top 7 team is a decent result
suit yourself. I'm looking at the opposition above us and we're going to have to raise our game to catch them.
I agree.
Derby and Sheffield UTD beat them at Elland Road. Cardiff and Wolves brushed them aside at home, which I wouldn't bet on us doing.
I predicated a draw and won my bet. These are the games we need to win if we are going to get automatic promotion, but these are the games we're unlikely to win, especially with our lack of a potent strike force. Relying on Davis will not get us top 2.
Who would you have played up front today instead?
Unfortunately, despite much money spent, I don't think we have anyone to fill in for Kodjia other than a 19 year old who isn't expected to score but 'holds the ball up well' (not that I've seen a lot of that myself).
My point was more this. Contrary to some people, who seem to think we'll be fine with Davis, I think we need to get a goalscorer in as soon as the Jan window opens.
With Kodjia out till the late spring, Hogan out of his depth at a big club, and Davis not being a goalscorer, we are not going to get automatic promotion without it.
I'm confident that if you can work it out then someone at the club might recognise we're a bit light up top.
Who knows? Perhaps they think that Davis has 'got the lot' and we don't need anybody? Especially after Sky's piece on him today.
If they do agree with me though, let's hope they don't provide us with another McCormack.
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I thought Taylor was excellent. showed great desire to get to the ball that made the equalizer.
I'm very pleased with the point especially with the injury list.
Agree.My motm
Really? He scared the shit out of me tonight. Apart from the double tackle, I could only see him messing up. Seems very one footed, for me the weakest player tonight though he had his plate full dealing with their winger. I'd have taken him off, moved Hutton over to the left and brought on De Laef.
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Good result and good to see we're showing character after going 1-0 down away from home these days.
Proper old school game under the lights between two big clubs. Good noise in the away end, especially second half. Leeds the best home atmosphere I've seen two seasons running, noisy and passionate, it puts our home support to shame.
Despite the good result Cardiff won and we find ourselves 7 points off 2nd place. We need to find a win sooner or later in one of these tough away games.
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Two points further behind top 2.
Never mind. Ignoring the first three games of the season, the losses against Wolves and Sheffield Wednesday, and the times we've drawn, we right up there with the best of them.
Or something like that. 😉
I’d like to see how wolves Brazil would cope without three of their best players for a lengthy period of time. Fcukin negativity does my head in.
The shit football does it for me. That and the acceptance of us being shit. Saying that, tonight was the first time in a long time I've really screamed out so loud when we've scored.
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We are not going to win every game - so where we don't, we need to a) pick up a point, b) not be playing at home, and c) preferably to the bigger, better sides in the division. On that count, good result tonight, keeps us nicely positioned, and the bonus of an extra days rest before a home game we need to & should win.
UTV
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Hutton the stand out for me. Roofe will be having nightmares about being threatened by a tattooed Scottish psychopath for some time.
That made me laugh out loud and it's hard to disagree with you. Hutton's a bloody hero. The type of player that drags us forward when we most need it.
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I loved it when Cafu squared up to the Ghanaian fella. I love Cafu.
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Crap first 20 minutes and we would have lost that last year. The Scottish Cafu is a hero. We are going up.
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Hutton the stand out for me. Roofe will be having nightmares about being threatened by a tattooed Scottish psychopath for some time.
That made me laugh out loud and it's hard to disagree with you. Hutton's a bloody hero. The type of player that drags us forward when we most need it.
Every time he’s written off he’s back fighting more than ever too.
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Cafu just loves playing for us, loves the fans and never ever hides from the ball. I just do not get why people dislike him.
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I don't dislike him, but he isnt a great footballer, first division is his level.
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Me neither, he’s a solid defender totally committed and like you say loves playing for us. Over all the full backs we’ve had over the last 10 years he’s been the most consistent.
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That 2nd half made believe that we can rally challenge now. It was a really great effort after an appalling 1st 45
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Disappointed not to win tonight however it is important that if you can not win you must not lose. The other plus is coming back from 1 down away from home and saving a point. Good things are happening.
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Cardiff are showing sort of resilience that I didn't expect from them but there are still 26 games to go. We need to keep 2 points per game yield level now for the remaining 26.
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I'm not SB's biggest fan. However, at this moment in time, we need to cut him some slack. For instance, who else can he play as one of the CB's other than Samba or Elphick? Again, up front, in the long run, I don't think Davis will make it. He's not very quick, doesn't have an eye for goal and, I'm not sure he's much of a bully to defenders either.(Really hope he proves me wrong though). However, again, who else have we got for that role at the moment. We can only hope that SB can bring in a good striker in early January that will hit the ground running. Someone with a bit of pace would be great. Another good CB would be useful too.
I think we have a choice of some good players already for the midfield places. The way I see it, barring more injuries, if we can get to January, only 5/6 points behind second place we will be in a great position to push for that spot with a couple of astute signings and, some of the players coming back from injury. Fingers X'd. UTV!!
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Davis and Onomah very poor. Games like today you really want a striker on the bench
They both need a kick up the arse
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Apparently weve scored as many away goals to date than all of last season
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Leeds the best home atmosphere I've seen two seasons running, noisy and passionate, it puts our home support to shame.
But this is all they have left. Their reputation is from their early 1970's sides being a cynical bunch of dirty bastards.
That's all Leeds are - a folk memory.
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Watched the game earlier and have only just got back home. Thought we were the better side overall, but especially so in the second half. They only really looked threatening off set pieces, whereas we fashioned a couple of chances and Lansbury scored a good goal. I don't think Onomah in the 'number 10' role is really working at the moment and would like to see either Grealish or O'Hare in there.
As an aside, Leeds are an unpleasant collection of individuals. Constant fouling and then diving around anytime any one goes near them. That centre half (who should have been sent off) and the right back with the ponytail are particularly unlikeable.
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Can't believe people writing off Davis! Ffs he's only 19! He shouldn't be playing at the moment, but Bruce simply can't rest him - there's no one else! I think he'll be great in 2 years time.
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Can't believe people writing off Davis! Ffs he's only 19! He shouldn't be playing at the moment, but Bruce simply can't rest him - there's no one else! I think he'll be great in 2 years time.
Amen brother
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Can't believe people writing off Davis! Ffs he's only 19! He shouldn't be playing at the moment, but Bruce simply can't rest him - there's no one else! I think he'll be great in 2 years time.
Amen brother
Just got in have ya?
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We’re going up.
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Thought he should have made the changes at half time, I was half expecting them to score again (they did but off side) it was obvious some players were struggling. Davis needs time to mature it's hard holding down a key position at nineteen he's playing against more mature bodies.
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we lost in the same fixture last year so this has to be an improvement,especially coming from a goal down and not turning up for an hour.
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I once got into a bizarre exchange with a Forest fan on Twitter after the 2-2 draw at Villa Park last season, after I commented on Lansbury's "silly hair." I got told that I am superficial, that he is a real person and that I am not looking at the important things in life: notably his football skills.
He did have ridiculous hair though, I'm glad he's had something more sensible done to it and like others on this thread, him scoring goals is yet another positive step taken to make me like him a bit more.
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I don’t know anyone with a man bun who isn’t a dick.
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Can't believe people writing off Davis! Ffs he's only 19! He shouldn't be playing at the moment, but Bruce simply can't rest him - there's no one else! I think he'll be great in 2 years time.
Precisely.
He’s a rookie being asked to lead the line, pretty much on his own.
Sure, the goals aren’t coming, but bloody hell, let’s support a kid trying to do a mans job and making a fecking good show of it.
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Highlights (http://www.skysports.com/football/leeds-vs-a-villa/374854)
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Great night out despite the inept first half. There was only going to be one winner after we equalised.
Grealish and - I can't believe I'm saying this - Angela made all the difference.
Onomah is, frankly, not very good; a liability even (if we're going to risk a youngster in MF, why not a Villa youngster?!).
Snodgrass didn't have his best game, but Whelan was solid again and Adomah and Davis tried hard.
Taylor and Hutton both had good games.
Leeds were at their cheating dirty best: how can their 2 beefy CB be so prone to falling over whenever David got near them?
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Leeds were flying in the first half and appeared to knock us off our stride and deserved to be in front but I think it was telling that that for all of their hard work they had only had one shot on target. Second half we competed better and pushed them back and the substitutions worked. A draw was a good result and a fair one.
Overall it reinforces the fact that we are a resilient team, that even when missing important players we have people to step in and do a job. Which is an encouraging reflection on the club as a whole in how it is building for now and the future.
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Onomah is not a liability.
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A decent away point following a decent last half hour. It consolidates our play off position but sadly still leaves us playing catch up re the auto spots. Home draws against hull, Brentford and Boro is what's holding us back from the top 2 not away draws at the likes of Leeds or Bristol. For me it's time for Bruce to start with Grealish behind Davis. He intimated pre-season that Grealish was going to be instrumental in his team this season. Now he's back from injury and fit, Bruce needs to be brave and start playing him in what could be his best position. I see the stuck record that is qv has had another pop at the Villa home support on this thread, it's sooooo bo_tiresome.
UTV, VTID
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Onomah is not a liability.
He is wehen he gives the ball away in our half so often. Believe me, I've been very supportive of him throughout the season but he really is not very good at the moment.
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Onomah is not a liability.
He is wehen he gives the ball away in our half so often. Believe me, I've been very supportive of him throughout the season but he really is not very good at the moment.
Yet he was great against Ipswich?
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Leeds were flying in the first half and appeared to knock us off our stride and deserved to be in front but I think it was telling that that for all of their hard work they had only had one shot on target....
Yes, my son and I had that conversation at half-time. We actually had a few first half shots (although they all semed more like passbacks) and on another day might well have scored before we did. Leeds were very 'up' for this game, as were their fans. By the end, though, they almost seemed to be hanging on somewhat.
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Onomah is not a liability.
He is wehen he gives the ball away in our half so often. Believe me, I've been very supportive of him throughout the season but he really is not very good at the moment.
Yet he was great against Ipswich?
Was he? - still gave the ball away too much. I don't think I can recall a game that I've been at when he had a solidly consistent game.
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What I thought was great to see was Hourihane clapping the Lansbury goal. The guy has just watched his replacement play well and score, indicating a great team ethic.
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A good point I thought. They were at us from the off and we looked off the pace a little so we tried to catch them on the break a few times which didn't work but for all their pressing, I don't think Johnstone made a save although Samba probably should have done better for the goal.
Second half it was much more like it, we got the deserved goal and could have won it. One thing I like about this season is we have a team who can bounce back whether we lose a game or go a goal behind. It's just a shame Cardiff won.
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...how can their 2 beefy CB be so prone to falling over whenever David got near them?
Who?
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Lets be honest, 12 months ago we'd have lost that. They pushed and harried us in the first half and some of the younger players (Davis & Onomah) need to learn how to stand up to it, but even with the players we have out they didnt really create many chances. I know many dont rate him but i thought Elphick wouldve been a better choice than Samba, bit meaner.
I also dont get Hourihane at the moment, he seems to have tunred into the new barry bannan, all pointing and sideways passes, thought he was supposed to be a creative midfielder? Let whelan do the holding role, we dont need 2.
Still we won 2nd half and attacking subs made the difference - like having 2 new signings. Grealish touch was real quality and Landsbury always looked forward - more of the same please.
So lots of key players out, goal down, getting bullied and we come away with a point - lets not underestimate what that means to the team, they will feel good about it and so they should
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...how can their 2 beefy CB be so prone to falling over whenever David got near them?
Who?
Davis
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Can't believe people writing off Davis! Ffs he's only 19! He shouldn't be playing at the moment, but Bruce simply can't rest him - there's no one else! I think he'll be great in 2 years time.
Precisely.
He’s a rookie being asked to lead the line, pretty much on his own.
Sure, the goals aren’t coming, but bloody hell, let’s support a kid trying to do a mans job and making a fecking good show of it.
Agree Andy. Like with any young player finding his way, there are going to be ups and downs. That's why we desperately need another option up there, so Davis can be rotated when needs be.
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Onomah is not a liability.
He isn't Paul, but I just don't think he is suited to the advanced role where he is currently being played. I think he would be better off in a deeper role, with Grealish or O'Hare just in behind Davis.
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The two subs we made turned the game for us. Grealish’s control, running and bringing others into the game is what we were crying out for. Lansbury, for the first time since we’ve had him showed he can play football. If he can keep it up he’ll keep Hourihane out of the side. Overall we were poor first half and found it hard to cope with Leed’s slick passing and movement, they looked very good. 2d half was much better and we might have even stole a victory but the draw was a fair result.
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Can't believe people writing off Davis! Ffs he's only 19! He shouldn't be playing at the moment, but Bruce simply can't rest him - there's no one else! I think he'll be great in 2 years time.
Precisely.
He’s a rookie being asked to lead the line, pretty much on his own.
Sure, the goals aren’t coming, but bloody hell, let’s support a kid trying to do a mans job and making a fecking good show of it.
I haven't seen much, if any, writing Davis off on this thread. Just folks saying he didn't play well last night and probably needs a rest now and again but we don't have much in the way of other options.
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In the end happy with a point after the 1st half non display. Obviously a concern is, who is gonna get the goals, other than Albert, but another big concern last night and for most of the season, is the lack of quality crossing, the Leeds defence did not have to deal with one decent ball into the area all night.
Credit to the Scottish Cafu, as I understand he helped out at the World Cup draw, before flying back in time for the kick off, a great effort!
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Onomah is not a liability.
He isn't Paul, but I just don't think he is suited to the advanced role where he is currently being played. I think he would be better off in a deeper role, with Grealish or O'Hare just in behind Davis.
I'd have Onomah in the holding role, where I think he plays for England under 21's. Get him alongside Whelen and let Hourihane roam, with Grealish off Davis.
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Two points further behind top 2.
Never mind. Ignoring the first three games of the season, the losses against Wolves and Sheffield Wednesday, and the times we've drawn, we right up there with the best of them.
Or something like that. 😉
I’d like to see how wolves Brazil would cope without three of their best players for a lengthy period of time. Fcukin negativity does my head in.
The shit football does it for me. That and the acceptance of us being shit. Saying that, tonight was the first time in a long time I've really screamed out so loud when we've scored.
I got excited as well. Left a skid mark on our carpet when I did a type of knee slide. Apparently its a rubber mark off my slippers. Wife is scrubbing said cream carpet as we speak. She isnt happy
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Two points further behind top 2.
Never mind. Ignoring the first three games of the season, the losses against Wolves and Sheffield Wednesday, and the times we've drawn, we right up there with the best of them.
Or something like that. 😉
I’d like to see how wolves Brazil would cope without three of their best players for a lengthy period of time. Fcukin negativity does my head in.
The shit football does it for me. That and the acceptance of us being shit. Saying that, tonight was the first time in a long time I've really screamed out so loud when we've scored.
I got excited as well. Left a skid mark on our carpet when I did a type of knee slide. Apparently its a rubber mark off my slippers. Wife is scrubbing said cream carpet as we speak. She isnt happy
Yeah, rightyo. ;)
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Lets be honest, 12 months ago we'd have lost that. They pushed and harried us in the first half and some of the younger players (Davis & Onomah) need to learn how to stand up to it, but even with the players we have out they didnt really create many chances. I know many dont rate him but i thought Elphick wouldve been a better choice than Samba, bit meaner.
I also dont get Hourihane at the moment, he seems to have tunred into the new barry bannan, all pointing and sideways passes, thought he was supposed to be a creative midfielder? Let whelan do the holding role, we dont need 2.
Still we won 2nd half and attacking subs made the difference - like having 2 new signings. Grealish touch was real quality and Landsbury always looked forward - more of the same please.
So lots of key players out, goal down, getting bullied and we come away with a point - lets not underestimate what that means to the team, they will feel good about it and so they should
Hourihane is forced to play this way because we have two wingers and Onamah being the attacking threat. In my view thats a waste and if Jedinak were fit he would play instead and push Hourihane further forward
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I reckon Grealish coming back in will be a huge help to Davis. Both of them draw players in, and have decent movement. Hopefully we’ll see things develop as they both get decent run in the team.
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...how can their 2 beefy CB be so prone to falling over whenever David got near them?
Who?
Emmm...you know their two centre backs Rick and Dick Goliath.
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For what my opinion is worth (!): Thought we were only poor for about the last 15 minutes of the first half. The rest of the first half was not as bad as some made out. The second half was a lot better from the kick off, both teams looked a lot better with the ball in the opponents half. Bruce made the right call and we could have won the game, ref was not great and helped to slow the game down and encourage more fouling tactics. Fans were as good as ever. Whelan surprised me again with how he managed to influence defence and attack. I thought samba was pretty good overall-and having watched the Leeds goal a few times, Although Samba should have got goal side, I am convinced the real error was that the space in front of him was completely vacated by the rest of the defence and left a huge gap to run into.
All in all, this is an improvement on last year and getting closer to what we need, although we will have to keep improving to the end of the season.
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I am happy with a point away to At Least We Are Not Leeds. As long as we fucking annihilate Millwall.
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A few words of caution regarding Grealish.
He often looks very good when coming on late, and fresh, against a tiring team. We've seen it before. Then, when fully fit and starting games, people are calling for him to show more and getting frustrated with his lack of influence on the game.
He might best be used as an 'impact sub'.
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For what my opinion is worth (!): Thought we were only poor for about the last 15 minutes of the first half. The rest of the first half was not as bad as some made out. The second half was a lot better from the kick off, both teams looked a lot better with the ball in the opponents half. Bruce made the right call and we could have won the game, ref was not great and helped to slow the game down and encourage more fouling tactics. Fans were as good as ever. Whelan surprised me again with how he managed to influence defence and attack. I thought samba was pretty good overall-and having watched the Leeds goal a few times, Although Samba should have got goal side, I am convinced the real error was that the space in front of him was completely vacated by the rest of the defence and left a huge gap to run into.
All in all, this is an improvement on last year and getting closer to what we need, although we will have to keep improving to the end of the season.
I agree with this. Jack and Angela coming off the bench and looking really good has given me renewed confidence that we have the strength in depth that our rivals don't possess. Wolverhampton Madrid might not be so cocky if they pick up the kind of injury list that we are currently coping with.
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Good noise in the away end, especially second half. Leeds the best home atmosphere I've seen two seasons running, noisy and passionate, it puts our home support to shame.
Always look forward to Quinton's reviews of the atmosphere and the opportunity to criticise those who attend the games at Villa Park.
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I'm quiet when I go to Villa. I set there usually in a state of deep concentration. I sometimes talk to the people I am with as I enjoy their company. Watching Leeds fans last night, I felt thoroughly ashamed of my actions and will be much louder and enthusiastic next time I go to Villa Park.
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Good noise in the away end, especially second half. Leeds the best home atmosphere I've seen two seasons running, noisy and passionate, it puts our home support to shame.
Always look forward to Quinton's reviews of the atmosphere and the opportunity to criticise those who attend the games at Villa Park.
He's been known to criticise the away support as well if they're not loud enough for him.
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I think Q.V. should review his own contributions to supporting the team. To include songs started, songs joined in with plus general noise made. It should include length of time and approximate decibel level. After all it’s only fair when he appoints himself judge and jury on everyone else that we in turn get to return the compliment. If he could video them for us it would act as an example for everyone to follow.
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I don't dislike him, but he isnt a great footballer, first division is his level.
There aren't too many in our squad that would be capable of stepping up imo, not that it matters this season
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I don't dislike him, but he isnt a great footballer, first division is his level.
Yes..........in Scotland!!!!
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Can't believe people writing off Davis! Ffs he's only 19! He shouldn't be playing at the moment, but Bruce simply can't rest him - there's no one else! I think he'll be great in 2 years time.
Precisely.
He’s a rookie being asked to lead the line, pretty much on his own.
Sure, the goals aren’t coming, but bloody hell, let’s support a kid trying to do a mans job and making a fecking good show of it.
Totally agree, I personally think he will be a magnificent forward for us, for many years to come!!!
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Think the turning point was just after the whistle at the end of the first half as the players were trudging off the field and the fans first all galvanised the team with their encouragement. Of course Steve Bruce did his part in the changing room. But it was really a collective effort.
Thought we gave everything second half yesterday.
PS What a crap hole Elland Road has become.
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A few words of caution regarding Grealish.
He often looks very good when coming on late, and fresh, against a tiring team. We've seen it before. Then, when fully fit and starting games, people are calling for him to show more and getting frustrated with his lack of influence on the game.
He might best be used as an 'impact sub'.
Precisely, not a full game player by any means, at this or premiership level!
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This isn’t to diminish the fact that we started very poorly but one thing that we should come to expect is that every team wants our scalp and will play above themselves to beat us. Now, we have to rise to that challenge every time and given our resources over an entire season we really should have enough to succeed vs most in this division but it’s definitely a real challenge for the club to week after week to be in that position. When key players get injured it will wear on the squad.
What is encouraging is we have found ways to not just fold and come back into games. That shows that there is belief within the players something that has been sorely lacking for many years. We still need help in January and we need some players back and healthy for the final push. But at least we are on the right track. It’s not going to be pretty under Bruce, mostly functional, even agricultural. But I still think by May we will get one of those top two spots.
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Good result and good to see we're showing character after going 1-0 down away from home these days.
Proper old school game under the lights between two big clubs. Good noise in the away end, especially second half. Leeds the best home atmosphere I've seen two seasons running, noisy and passionate, it puts our home support to shame.
Despite the good result Cardiff won and we find ourselves 7 points off 2nd place. We need to find a win sooner or later in one of these tough away games.
I think we’ve played all the top teams away now (barring Sheff Utd). They’ve all still got to come to Villa Park which I’m sure they’re all looking forward to. It’s these games that’ll decide if we go up automatic or not (in my opinion).
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For all Leeds’ possession first half they created very little from what can remember. If that was us at Villa Park Bruce would be getting criticised for it.
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For all Leeds’ possession first half they created very little from what can remember. If that was us at Villa Park Bruce would be getting criticised for it.
Ha! Chance would be a fine thing.
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...how can their 2 beefy CB be so prone to falling over whenever David got near them?
Who?
Davis
Ah, now I see what happened!
Thanks
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Onomah is not a liability.
He isn't Paul, but I just don't think he is suited to the advanced role where he is currently being played. I think he would be better off in a deeper role, with Grealish or O'Hare just in behind Davis.
If he plays deeper and still gives the ball away - as he has been doing regularly - he'll be doing so in more risky parts of the pitch.
As I said earlier, if the manager wants to play a youngster with a mistake or two in him, why not one of ours.
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As Onomah is a superb prospect.
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I only caught the second half so I saw Good Villa. Great goal from Lansbury and good display from Grealish. We'd have folded in a match like this last season.
My goodness Leeds can kick it. Yes they can.
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Onomah has been disappointing for me for a while now, but him and Davis are kids so inconsistency is to be expected. Where I think Bruce could do better is to put someone more experienced just behind Davis, eg. Hourihane or Lansbury instead of Onomah. If he must play Onomah, play him as a box-to-box midfielder that can drive at the opposition like Delph used to do for us.
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Onomah has been disappointing for me for a while now, but him and Davis are kids so inconsistency is to be expected. Where I think Bruce could do better is to put someone more experienced just behind Davis, eg. Hourihane or Lansbury instead of Onomah. If he must play Onomah, play him as a box-to-box midfielder that can drive at the opposition like Delph used to do for us.
Hourihane sort of plays behind Davis at the moment, albeit about 35 miles behind.
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I agree that Onomah may be better deployed a little deeper. Jack should be playing in the 10 role for me, 100%.
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Onomah was sensational against QPR. Overall, considering the problem we might have faced when grealish was out, I think he’s been a great success
But I agree grealish should come in
Long term Onomah is definitely a centre mid
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Onomah was sensational against QPR.
I wonder how much following that game, the 'Spurs want him back to run their midfield for the next ten years' got inside his head?
He's a good kid and will soon bounce back.
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As Onomah is a superb prospect.
He is but that's not really going to benefit us so his value to us has to be judged as an established senior player and on that front I think he's been hit and miss and looks out of position. I think he'd be much better coming from deeper so he's not picking the ball up with 2-3 players around him and often facing the wrong direction. He should be competing for the spot Hourihane is in. I'd even be tempted to simply swap the 2 of them. Out of everyone though I think I'd rather see Grealish have a run of games in there because it's clearly the role he's most suited to and the 2nd half yesterday is a good example of how he can pull things together.
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Onomah is a good prospect and I think we are lucky to have him on board tbh.
I agree that centre mid may be his best position, may be able to dictate more from there and is a physical lad. Whelan is nailed on and he has to compete with Lansbury (m choice re Millwall) and Hourihane
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Hourihane should be played just behind Davis, he has shown he can score goals, wasted where he plays now.
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Hourihane should be played just behind Davis, he has shown he can score goals, wasted where he plays now.
Is that where he was playing for Barnsley? Not sure he is in the class of Grealish in that role tbh
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Only managed to catch the last 15 mins or so on Radio Leeds, but during play and in the after discussion the presenters and pundit all said that while Leeds started strongly (having had a good result last time out) and shaded the first half that Villa were the dominant team throughout the second half, especially after making the substitutions. They seemed pretty pleased to have finished with a point for Leeds.
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I loved it when Cafu squared up to the Ghanaian fella. I love Cafu.
My good lady wife initially thought the chant was 'the Scottish cat food', so can I ask all fans to take care with their pronunciation when chanting in future. :)
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good comeback against a team with some thugs in it and after a first half where the ref looked like a competition winner.