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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Dave on November 20, 2017, 10:46:44 AM
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Villa Park, 19.45
Given there's a match tomorrow and all that.
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I might try to make it to this. So a guaranteed 0-0 draw then.
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See their keeper’s blunders v Millwall on Saturday? Shots in lads!
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An early goal and it will be 5+ to the Villa. I'm sure Moyes will try and stifle our play but we should have too much for them to be effective.
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4-0.
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An early goal and it will be 5+ to the Villa. I'm sure Moyes will try and stifle our play but we should have too much for them to be effective.
Seems Moyes has a lot on his plate these days
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2-0 Win for us.
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See their keeper’s blunders v Millwall on Saturday? Shots in lads!
Absolutely guaranteed that he'll turn from Ray Charles to Ray Clemence for this one.
We never play a bad goalkeeper.
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3-1 Home win.
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Perhaps its because managers get sacked often, but It always feels like we play a team when they have just appointed a new Manager.
I think it will be a frustrating, why didn't we play like we did Saturday match.
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3-0 villa win.
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I'll keep my excellent run going. Guaranteed 0-0! :D
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Why do people seem to think Moyes is the Sunderland manager?
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Moyes turned us down, what, two or three times? Let's send him home completely depressed with a good, powerful performance.
Is he coming to this one then?
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Are we living in a parallel universe? With all this Moyes conchy talk.
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Coleman has got a lot on his plate at West Ham.
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Injuries allowing, same team as Saturday for this one. We should go into it with a bit of momentum.
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We wont mess this up, will we?? Course not, nice 2-0, no drama ;)
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If Coleman turns Sunderland around he will be mustard to be fair.
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We all know exactly what to expect from Moyes at this game.
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A bit worried about this as Moyesey has a decent record against us, from memory.
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I think they'll raise their game with a new manager, 2-2.
I think it's a must win though with a tough run coming up in December, especially away from home.
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I think we will win this one comfortably, 3-0 with goals from Adomah, Hourihane and Davis.
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We all know exactly what to expect from Moyes at this game.
I expect him to be not there.
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We owe Moyes one for turning us down, I hate MON, we need to thrash that tosser Di Canio, Poyet is struggling there, have they still got Advocaat in charge?
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Just when you think we have the mix, tactics and formula right
Cue - a complete change in personnel by Bruce
0-0
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We owe Moyes one for turning us down, I hate MON, we need to thrash that tosser Di Canio, Poyet is struggling there, have they still got Advocaat in charge?
Bob Stokoe, apparently.
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Moyes turned us down, what, two or three times? Let's send him home completely depressed with a good, powerful performance.
Is he coming to this one then?
I hope he brings me some coffee. ;)
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I don’t know why I thought Moyes was still in charge, maybe it’s because they were so rubbish at the weekend I thought he must still be. Now knowing he isn’t I will change my prediction. 4-0 to the Villa.
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0-1 Moyes (pen)
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Moyes might get a game as Sunderland appear to have a few injury problems:
From their forum:
I'd read Coleman saying McNair isn't fit. So no Kone, Cattermole, Williams, Watmore, Wilson, Jones, N'Dong, McNair - it's going to be a struggle to put out a full team, let alone a full bench!
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Maybe Jedinak in for samba or Whelan, otherwise unchanged for me. Freshen up a bit for Ipswich (we made the mistake of not doing that for Sheffield Wednesday)
I can see them frustrating us for a bit, but hopefully we’ll come through
2-0. Hourihane and Onomah.
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Shame Prattermole isn't playing though, always a good chance of being sent off.
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Why didn`t Moyes take the penalty ?
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Please please please not another episode of:
Are you shite and currently on a winless streak? Never fear - you play Villa next.
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I think they'll raise their game with a new manager, 2-2.
I think it's a must win though with a tough run coming up in December, especially away from home.
Can we ban the words 'a must win' at least until March.
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I think they'll raise their game with a new manager, 2-2.
I think it's a must win though with a tough run coming up in December, especially away from home.
Can we ban the words 'a must win' at least until March.
As three words in succession think that’s ok.
As three separate words, not so sure. Constructing sentences without the words a, must or win in will be quite difficult.
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I don't think West Ham are as bad as their league position suggests, and now they've sacked David Pulis, they might get a bounce. 8-10 to Everton.
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20% predicting a draw and 6% a loss - to the worst Sunderland team in decades!?
Surely we've "turned a corner" (again), and even Bruce wouldn't go negative, at home, to this shower of shite?
Easy win, for me.
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I don't think West Ham are as bad as their league position suggests, and now they've sacked David Pulis, they might get a bounce. 8-10 to Everton.
That's the most sense you've spoken in ages!
;) ;D
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Sunderland at home in a midweek game?
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When a club need their first win in 97 years or a player needs to break an all time scoring record then they all seem to do it against Villa.
0-2
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I don't think West Ham are as bad as their league position suggests, and now they've sacked David Pulis, they might get a bounce. 8-10 to Everton.
Given the new manager bounce they will get I would be surprised if Sunderland don't finish above Wolves in the table. In fact I can even see them ending the season mid-table in the next division up.
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Moyes might get a game as Sunderland appear to have a few injury problems:
From their forum:
I'd read Coleman saying McNair isn't fit. So no Kone, Cattermole, Williams, Watmore, Wilson, Jones, N'Dong, McNair - it's going to be a struggle to put out a full team, let alone a full bench!
Oh no, Cattermole is usually our best player when we play Sunderland.
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Important we match their likely increased work rate and determination. Combine that with their fragile confidence and our superior ability then we will give ourselves a great chance of winning.
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I don't think West Ham are as bad as their league position suggests, and now they've sacked David Pulis, they might get a bounce. 8-10 to Everton.
Given the new manager bounce they will get I would be surprised if Sunderland don't finish above Wolves in the table. In fact I can even see them ending the season mid-table in the next division up.
Possibly. But you forget Wolves will probably be awarded the Champions League trophy this year for services to football.
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Sunderland will score goals, so it might not be a "walk in the park".
We should still we beat them by at least 2 goals.
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An early goal and it will be 5+ to the Villa. I'm sure Moyes will try and stifle our play but we should have too much for them to be effective.
What's it got to do with the West Ham manager?
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An early goal and it will be 5+ to the Villa. I'm sure Moyes will try and stifle our play but we should have too much for them to be effective.
What's it got to do with the West Ham manager?
Sorry I joined the conversation a bit late and I've now seen you've already been duly mocked! 😉
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Moyes might get a game as Sunderland appear to have a few injury problems:
From their forum:
I'd read Coleman saying McNair isn't fit. So no Kone, Cattermole, Williams, Watmore, Wilson, Jones, N'Dong, McNair - it's going to be a struggle to put out a full team, let alone a full bench!
Oh no, Cattermole is usually our best player when we play Sunderland.
Call me a horrible old bully but I liked it when we made him cry.
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Moyes might get a game as Sunderland appear to have a few injury problems:
From their forum:
I'd read Coleman saying McNair isn't fit. So no Kone, Cattermole, Williams, Watmore, Wilson, Jones, N'Dong, McNair - it's going to be a struggle to put out a full team, let alone a full bench!
Oh no, Cattermole is usually our best player when we play Sunderland.
Is Kevin Philips going to be fit to play for them?
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Moyes might get a game as Sunderland appear to have a few injury problems:
From their forum:
I'd read Coleman saying McNair isn't fit. So no Kone, Cattermole, Williams, Watmore, Wilson, Jones, N'Dong, McNair - it's going to be a struggle to put out a full team, let alone a full bench!
Oh no, Cattermole is usually our best player when we play Sunderland.
Is Kevin Philips going to be fit to play for them?
Yes but he's also our emergency sub should O'Neill want to change things around and Craig Gardner isn't available.
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My worry is they then throw their kids in who play with no fear , and get a result
I must learn to curb my negative thoughts 😞
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Home win but it won't be a hiding. 2-0 Or 3-1.
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We all know exactly what to expect from Moyes at this game.
I expect him to be not there.
Wooshh
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I got the prediction utterly wrong against QPR. It'll just be a joy to be at Villa Park again, under the lights, come what may.
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Tough game, what with their players trying to impress Coleman. Having said that, they're bottom for a reason. 1-0 Villa.
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Going to be harder now with them getting a new manager in but hopefully we can still win. 2-1 villa.
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3-1 to the Villa. No fucking messing.
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Anything less than a win against this shower is unacceptable.
4-1
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Tough game, what with their players trying to impress Coleman. Having said that, they're bottom for a reason. 1-0 Villa.
Most of their first won't travel and those that do will be sitting in the Trinity Road Stand.
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Nothing against Sunderland but I would like us to smash em. Concerned about the new manager bounce. Their keepers are very dodgy so we should shoot on sight also their loaner forward Grabban is pretty good but lightweight so should get a lot of "Samba time".
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That lot haven't done much since Laurie Mac had the left-field hit 'O Superman' tbh. I guess it'll depend on how we handle Kevin Phillips - although I'm not entirely sure if he's still at Baldock Town tbh. Consequently I'm predicting an utter snore-fest, with a final score of 8-3 to the mighty Villa.
You heard it here first. ;)
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Nothing against Sunderland but I would like us to smash em. Concerned about the new manager bounce. Their keepers are very dodgy so we should shoot on sight also their loaner forward Grabban is pretty good but lightweight so should get a lot of "Samba time".
I like how Moyes gets his teams to bounce
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I think a comfortable 2-0 win. Davis and Hourihane.
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Nothing against Sunderland but I would like us to smash em. Concerned about the new manager bounce. Their keepers are very dodgy so we should shoot on sight also their loaner forward Grabban is pretty good but lightweight so should get a lot of "Samba time".
I like how Moyes gets his teams to bounce
Lol. Lets hope Coleman has the same impact! :)
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Coleman has got a lot on his plate at West Ham.
That cuts the mustard with me!
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If Coleman turns Sunderland around he will be mustard to be fair.
To be honest, Wales were dreadful in the last qualifying campaign. Coleman's tactics were exposed as bankrupt in both Irish games, launching high balls onto Duffys head when chasing an equaliser in Cardiff for example. Maybe a Tim Sherwood type dead cat bounce
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Sunderland are going to take some turning around. We should win comfortably. Don't screw up!!
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3-1 win.
Snodgrass with two.
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After hearing how bad their keeper was against Millwall, I watched their highlights earlier today and he was hilariously awful. Both keepers looked as if they'd won a fan competition on Twitter to play for the day. Let's hope he gets picked tomorrow.
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After hearing how bad their keeper was against Millwall, I watched their highlights earlier today and he was hilariously awful. Both keepers looked as if they'd won a fan competition on Twitter to play for the day. Let's hope he gets picked tomorrow.
The good news? Their other keeper is even worse! :)
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6-1. Ron Vlaar will smash in the first from miles out.
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After hearing how bad their keeper was against Millwall, I watched their highlights earlier today and he was hilariously awful. Both keepers looked as if they'd won a fan competition on Twitter to play for the day. Let's hope he gets picked tomorrow.
The good news? Their other keeper is even worse! :)
Yep Steele got relegated with Blackburn last season and got dropped for the other guy a few weeks ago.
Fancy Snodgrass to score a free kick tomorrow night. Just getting it on target should be enough.
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I often think we would have done last season what Sunderland are doing this if it wasn’t for the fact we were taken over. We both went out of the premier league in a right state.
We look like we’ve got back on the rails so I’m expecting a win but it won’t be pretty. 2-1.
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Everything points towards a Villa win, but this is Villa...and Sunderland are shit...
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After hearing how bad their keeper was against Millwall, I watched their highlights earlier today and he was hilariously awful. Both keepers looked as if they'd won a fan competition on Twitter to play for the day. Let's hope he gets picked tomorrow.
The good news? Their other keeper is even worse! :)
Yep Steele got relegated with Blackburn last season and got dropped for the other guy a few weeks ago.
Fancy Snodgrass to score a free kick tomorrow night. Just getting it on target should be enough.
Thats the fella! Shocking keeper.
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Their away form isn’t quite as bad as you’d think. They seem to draw a lot, but don’t win
Any sort of win will do for me tomorrow
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We need to rotate a bit to stay fresh IMO. Jedinak in for Whelan, Elmo in at right back and controversial as it may be I would be tempted to start Grealish over Onomah who struggled earlier this season with 2 games in 4 days. We need to ensure we make a couple of fairly early signs if we get a couple up to save legs for the weekend. I would like to see O hare get half an hour. The luxury would be resting Davis for the last half hour.
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Please please please not another episode of:
Are you shite and currently on a winless streak? Never fear - you play Villa next.
And we always seem to meet these crappy teams with their awful runs at the exact moment they appoint new managers. And Sunderland are known for their new manager bounces.
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1-1 can see this being a scrappy draw - hope I am wrong!
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Hopefully Bruce will have them fired up and get off to a quick start...get into them from the off with a couple of early goals and it should be a pleasant evening.
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Bit worried by the Moyes/Coleman factor but we definitely should be beating these. If adomah plays like he did Saturday we should be ok.
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We owe Moyes one for turning us down, I hate MON, we need to thrash that tosser Di Canio, Poyet is struggling there, have they still got Advocaat in charge?
Bob Stokoe, apparently.
Somebody bring a broom. Will Tommy Doc be there ?
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It’s my first trip to VP since September 2015.
We lost that one to the Stripeys. I’m expecting better things this time.
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It’s my first trip to VP since September 2015.
We lost that one to the Stripeys. I’m expecting better things this time.
Putting yourself in the firing line there man. Dont jinx us! :)
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We owe Moyes one for turning us down, I hate MON, we need to thrash that tosser Di Canio, Poyet is struggling there, have they still got Advocaat in charge?
Bob Stokoe, apparently.
Somebody bring a broom. Will Tommy Doc be there ?
I’m old enough to get that. Carlisle away managed by Stokoe. Think it was Boxing Day late 60’s. I was there. Stokoe was rather upset with our ‘desire to win at all costs’.
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Textbook 2-0 home win
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1-1 Just have a feeling they will nick something. Had a bit of a spike at the weekend and think that might carry on tonight. Hutton for us.
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Was it a spike when they shipped two of the softest goals you'll see all season?
Play like we did second half at QPR and we will drub them.
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any type of win Villa....to nil would be great too :)
UTV
The Doc
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We better bloody score. They’re the only team that hasn’t kept a clean sheet all season away from home.
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Was it a spike when they shipped two of the softest goals you'll see all season?
Play like we did second half at QPR and we will drub them.
Well it was a spike by their very low standards, haha!
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I liked David Squire's take on whether Chris Coleman was accepting a "poisoned chalice" with the Sunderland job, and pointing out that a poisoned chalice is supposed to be attractive at first appearance.
This is more just a bottle of poison. With "poison" written on it.
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I have a feeling we will come out of the blocks and get a couple of early chances. Tuck one away and this will end up comfortable. If we dont however.....
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This is a game we must win to keep momentum.
He Rested Elmo and Jedi at the weekend, it's harsh on Hutton but I'd bring him back at right back and maybe the bearded one also just to freshen it up.
Grealish also to either start or come off the bench, then hopefully Gabby may be fit to do the same at the weekend?
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Only coming up from London for the game on Saturday, so expect tonight's match to be an outstanding display and comfortable win. Followed by a dull 0-0 against Ipswich.
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I think a lot of fans will be expecting a 2-3 nil half time lead but it ever seems to work like that. They'll make it hard for us and frustrate the crowd but we should have enough. If we create the amount of chances we did on Saturday, we should be fine.
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Need to score early and then forward to 4 or 5. This could be a thrashing let’s hope so
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Simple changes to freshen up without any formation difference please Mr Bruce
Grealish / O'Hare for Onomah
Jedinakl for Whelan
Elmo for Hutton
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it would surprise me if Coleman lines them up to park the bus so he doesnt lose his first game
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Simple changes to freshen up without any formation difference please Mr Bruce
Grealish / O'Hare for Onomah
Jedinakl for Whelan
Elmo for Hutton
I would love to see Jack in the team but not sure Josh should be left out. Agree with the other two.
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Simple changes to freshen up without any formation difference please Mr Bruce
Grealish / O'Hare for Onomah
Jedinakl for Whelan
Elmo for Hutton
I'm not sure I'd make too many changes. I'd like to see Da Laet get a game though.
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Simple changes to freshen up without any formation difference please Mr Bruce
Grealish / O'Hare for Onomah
Jedinakl for Whelan
Elmo for Hutton
I'm not sure we need to freshen after just one game since an international break do we?
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Simple changes to freshen up without any formation difference please Mr Bruce
Grealish / O'Hare for Onomah
Jedinakl for Whelan
Elmo for Hutton
I'm not sure we need to freshen after just one game since an international break do we?
Agree, Tom, we have the bench to give one or two a breather. I'm expecting we carry on tonight, against what is close to Sunderland Reserves, from where we left off second half at QPR.
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Simple changes to freshen up without any formation difference please Mr Bruce
Grealish / O'Hare for Onomah
Jedinakl for Whelan
Elmo for Hutton
I'm not sure we need to freshen after just one game since an international break do we?
And if we did need to freshen up, bringing in the one player we have who flew round the world and played two competitive matches in that week is the way to go about it.
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More likely to freshen v Ipswich I reckon. Maybe Jedinak for this one otherwise unchanged
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How's our record against New Manager Bounce?
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Sunderland bringing 700 tonight.
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Here's a chance for him to line up 4-5-1, but actually play it 4-4-2, get an early goal from Davis and improve the goal difference, if we want to chase the top 2 down tonight is one we cannot mess up.
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Is this on the TV ?
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Is this on the TV ?
No, available on AVTV internationally though so will no doubt be on facebook
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Is this on the TV ?
No, available on AVTV internationally though...
Based on their previous efforts I love your optimism.
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Simple changes to freshen up without any formation difference please Mr Bruce
Grealish / O'Hare for Onomah
Jedinakl for Whelan
Elmo for Hutton
I'm not sure we need to freshen after just one game since an international break do we?
Agree, Tom, we have the bench to give one or two a breather. I'm expecting we carry on tonight, against what is close to Sunderland Reserves, from where we left off second half at QPR.
Hope so mate. Two wins this week would put us in a good place going into December.
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An early goal and we can really put these to the sword with Davis grabbing a couple. If we don't they could grind out a bore draw to impress Coleman. Then again, Bale doesn't play for Sunderland.
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I would like to see us go in at HT 2-0 up and then score another on 70th minute to round off a sound win and in the process not humiliate Sunderland for the sake of my mate,
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Is this on the TV ?
No, available on AVTV internationally though...
Based on their previous efforts I love your optimism.
*sad face*
It was ok at the weekend so fingers crossed for today
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I'd love to know the AVTV viewing figures after the weekend's colossal fuck-up
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I'm not sure Bruce is one for rotation. Grealish is probably the one chomping at the bit for inclusion tonight.
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I'm not sure Bruce is one for rotation. Grealish is probably the one chomping at the bit for inclusion tonight.
Bring him on the close out the 3-0 win. :)
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Is this on the TV ?
No, available on AVTV internationally though...
Based on their previous efforts I love your optimism.
*sad face*
It was ok at the weekend so fingers crossed for today
cheers