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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: cdbearsfan on September 17, 2017, 11:18:31 AM
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Saving for holiday so, for once, can't be arsed attending.
We couldn't beat ten first team players last week, hopefully we will be able to beat eleven of their reserves this time.
I think we will. 3-1 with goals from Hogan, Samba and Bjarnason.
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Elphick will get a run-out, I wonder if McCormack will.
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Win 2-0 hopefully
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is this one also free to ST holders?
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I wouldn't like to guess the result. I think it will be two very much weakened line ups.
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is this one also free to ST holders?
No £15 for Adults and £10 for old codgers like me.
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Afrer the 0-0 borefest last Tuesday this has 0-0 written all over it. Penalites it is.
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Hard to predict as smeg knows what kind of line ups either side will do. So 6-6 and we win 17-16 on pens.
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Afrer the 0-0 borefest last Tuesday this has 0-0 written all over it. Penalites it is.
Can't we just go straight to pens and save ourselves 2 hours of precious life?
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2-0. We're on a roll. "We are unvincible!" (sic)
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The last Boro game was dreadful at times. Let's hope we pull a Wigan and follow up a good win with another. I'll go 3-1
Kodjia, Snodgrass, Doyle-Hayes
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Saving for holiday so, for once, can't be arsed attending.
We couldn't beat ten first team players last week, hopefully we will be able to beat eleven of their reserves this time.
I think we will. 3-1 with goals from Hogan, Samba and Bjarnason.
Hope Bjarnason is no where near playing! He's shown nothing so far. Give O'hare a chance or Doyle-Hayes. Anyway, 2-1 Villa, Hogan with both goals.
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2-1 AET.
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I reckon there'll be up to 11 changes (tho he might want Kodjia or snodgrass to get more game time) and even then a fair few will be disappointed
Maybe something like:
Steer
Hutton samba Elphick De Laet
JDH Lansbury
Snodgrass O'Hare Bjarnason
Hogan
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I know some Villa fans will be happy to see a lose this, "To concentrate on the League..", or because " We're never going to win it", but I love cup matches and want to stay in as long as possible.
I've saved some money to travel up for my first game this season so, please Villa, give me as win to cheer!
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Saving for holiday so, for once, can't be arsed attending.
We couldn't beat ten first team players last week, hopefully we will be able to beat eleven of their reserves this time.
I think we will. 3-1 with goals from Hogan, Samba and Bjarnason.
Hope Bjarnason is no where near playing! He's shown nothing so far. Give O'hare a chance or Doyle-Hayes. Anyway, 2-1 Villa, Hogan with both goals.
He played well in the last round, scoring and setting one up. He's more or less certain to play, I would have thought. No reason why we can't play all the players you mentioned, as we did against Wigan.
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1-0 to us aet.
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2-0 Villa in 90 minuets
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Bruce said Elphick will get a game so pretty safe to presume he'll start with Samba or Chester and Hutton/De Laet.
O'Hare and Hogan should both get a start, and I'd also like to see Snodgrass, Kodjia and Adomah get some game time to get their match fitness up.
If he plays a team like that then we should win inside 90 minutes, but if he opts to play a weaker team then it could go to penalties.
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Given how early we start in this now, I've lost track of how many rounds are left if we win this tie. Is it last 16 or Quarters after this?
League is obviously priority but we've seen lower league teams reach semis or final (at our expense) of this competition before so it's not impossible if we keep getting home ties.
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Must still be 32 teams left at least if the 20 Prem teams only enter now.
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Must still be 32 teams left at least if the 20 Prem teams only enter now.
Didn't WBA play last round?
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This is the 3rd round, so 32 left as 5th round is the QF. PL sides that qualified for Europe joined this round, the other PL sides entered in the last round.
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Must still be 32 teams left at least if the 20 Prem teams only enter now.
Didn't WBA play last round?
Most PL teams enter in round 2. Round 3 is where teams playing in European competition join in. I think that's how it works.
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Given how early we start in this now, I've lost track of how many rounds are left if we win this tie. Is it last 16 or Quarters after this?
League is obviously priority but we've seen lower league teams reach semis or final (at our expense) of this competition before so it's not impossible if we keep getting home ties.
Yep. We've got a few rounds in, so there is no reason not to try and progress further. Saying that, I'd like to see a couple of youngsters (O'Hare and Doyle-Hayes in particular) get a run out alongside some of the more senior players.
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This is Round of 32. Next round is last 16.
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We should stick with the team that won on Saturday. Momentum is required.
We have the squad to cover any potential injuries that may come.
Cat in hell's chance of it happening mind.
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Bore draw
Boro on pens
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I there any point to this competition anymore?
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We should stick with the team that won on Saturday. Momentum is required.
We have the squad to cover any potential injuries that may come.
Cat in hell's chance of it happening mind.
I thought the same before the last round but I suppose it's good to give the likes of De Laet and Samba a game.
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The whole competition is a nuisance given our aims this season. Rest some of the players from Barnsley or try and keep the momentum going by selecting the same team? Given they're a championship side and a win would increase the players confidence, I'm tempted to play the 1st team. 2-1
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Rotation rotation rotation
We're in a run of sat - tues - sat games. This isn't a priority. No brainer
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Rotation rotation rotation
We're in a run of sat - tues - sat games. This isn't a priority. No brainer
To be fair we've got quite a few players who need a game as well. Something Like:
Steer
Bree / Hutton Elphick Samba De Laet
Bjarnason Lansbury Onomah Agbonlahor
O'Hare Hogan
Edit - still want to win though.
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I'm looking forward to seeing more of O'Hare, from what I have seen of him this season he looks like he has a decent awareness of what's going on around him and a decent level of skill. Pretty sure he will get some more game time against Boro.
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I still love the LC, if it wasn't for this competition we'd have won 3 trophies in the last 60 years.
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I loved it when Villa used to take every game seriously, trying to win them no mater what the competition. Some of my best days have been watching Villa win League Cup games, especially semifinals and finals.
I know Man Utd were probably the first team to start disrespecting the cups, but a little bit of my love for the game died when we started doing it. Naively perhaps, I never thought I'd see the day we started doing it. It hasn't exactly got us very far, has it.
We're in the shitty 2nd division. If we can't be bothered with the cups now - with our 'best squad in the division' that 'should walk the playoffs, at least' - then will we ever bother again?
I know one of the big clubs will probably win it, but who knows what the draws will bring and what teams they will put out, especially early on. If we take it seriously, and others don't, it could bring some much needed pride back to our club.
I appreciate a lot of younger fans might not feel this way but, without the great League Cup Qtr, semi, and final wins of the past 40 years, my Villa supporting life would have been a lot duller.
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Nice 2-0 win, see a bit more of the younger players, progress onwards. Love the League Cup, maybe my age, but some great memories
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I loved it when Villa used to take every game seriously, trying to win them no mater what the competition. Some of my best days have been watching Villa win League Cup games, especially semifinals and finals.
I know Man Utd were probably the first team to start disrespecting the cups, but a little bit of my love for the game died when we started doing it. Naively perhaps, I never thought I'd see the day we started doing it. It hasn't exactly got us very far, has it.
We're in the shitty 2nd division. If we can't be bothered with the cups now - with our 'best squad in the division' that 'should walk the playoffs, at least' - then will we ever bother again?
I know one of the big clubs will probably win it, but who knows what the draws will bring and what teams they will put out, especially early on. If we take it seriously, and others don't, it could bring some much needed pride back to our club.
I appreciate a lot of younger fans might not feel this way but, without the great League Cup Qtr, semi, and final wins of the past 40 years, my Villa supporting life would have been a lot duller.
That's spot on, but it ain't modern football.
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Blood some of the youngsters - this is a 'free' match in that win/lose/draw, it wont be remembered long. Far bigger priorities I think
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I'm looking forward to seeing more of O'Hare, from what I have seen of him this season he looks like he has a decent awareness of what's going on around him and a decent level of skill. Pretty sure he will get some more game time against Boro.
All of the above, but I also like his work rate and willingness to put himself about.
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1-2
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Blood some of the youngsters - this is a 'free' match in that win/lose/draw, it wont be remembered long. Far bigger priorities I think
What's a bigger priority than the chance of winning a trophy?
See what happened after the last round to see what rotation does.
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Blood some of the youngsters - this is a 'free' match in that win/lose/draw, it wont be remembered long. Far bigger priorities I think
What's a bigger priority than the chance of winning a trophy?
See what happened after the last round to see what rotation does.
The bigger priority is promotion. Only stating whats obvious when you look at how most of the 'bigger' clubs handle this competition. Winning the Caribou Cup (?!?!?) and failing to get promoted wouldn't make me happy.
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Blood some of the youngsters - this is a 'free' match in that win/lose/draw, it wont be remembered long. Far bigger priorities I think
What's a bigger priority than the chance of winning a trophy?
See what happened after the last round to see what rotation does.
The bigger priority is promotion. Only stating whats obvious when you look at how most of the 'bigger' clubs handle this competition. Winning the Caribou Cup (?!?!?) and failing to get promoted wouldn't make me happy.
I'd rather win a cup. It's been more than 20 fucking years.
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I loved it when Villa used to take every game seriously, trying to win them no mater what the competition. Some of my best days have been watching Villa win League Cup games, especially semifinals and finals.
I know Man Utd were probably the first team to start disrespecting the cups, but a little bit of my love for the game died when we started doing it. Naively perhaps, I never thought I'd see the day we started doing it. It hasn't exactly got us very far, has it.
We're in the shitty 2nd division. If we can't be bothered with the cups now - with our 'best squad in the division' that 'should walk the playoffs, at least' - then will we ever bother again?
I know one of the big clubs will probably win it, but who knows what the draws will bring and what teams they will put out, especially early on. If we take it seriously, and others don't, it could bring some much needed pride back to our club.
I appreciate a lot of younger fans might not feel this way but, without the great League Cup Qtr, semi, and final wins of the past 40 years, my Villa supporting life would have been a lot duller.
That's spot on, but it ain't modern football.
I know. Sad, isn't it.
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1-1 after extra time. Lansbury. Us to win 3-2 on Pens.
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can you buy a ticket from the ticket office tomorrow night for this one?
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Blood some of the youngsters - this is a 'free' match in that win/lose/draw, it wont be remembered long. Far bigger priorities I think
What's a bigger priority than the chance of winning a trophy?
See what happened after the last round to see what rotation does.
The bigger priority is promotion. Only stating whats obvious when you look at how most of the 'bigger' clubs handle this competition. Winning the Caribou Cup (?!?!?) and failing to get promoted wouldn't make me happy.
I'd rather win a cup. It's been more than 20 fucking years.
In any other season when we were in the PL may be, but this team clearly isn't good enough to win at Wem-ber-ley in a Cup Final against one of the top PL teams should we get that far...it would be a great Villa day out but we all know it would be a painful result at the end of the day. Promotion is the priority this season.
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I am with Drummond. No messing about play the strongest team and let's progress to the next round. We don't need to be worried about the might Forest on Saturday evening.
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2-1 (Hogan brace)
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Strong side, keep momentum going. Davis and Kodjia up top.
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If we are going to go up, or have a good cup run, we will need a strong squad to do so. I wouldn't be playing the youth team, but none of the side who played against Wigan let us down and I see no harm in playing them again. Especially as our actual first team were far from brilliant against Middlesbrough last week.
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Following last week's fun and games it could be quite lively.
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Boro will make 8-9 changes aswell I reckon.
1-1. Penalties.
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Just win, Villa. It's a wonderful habit.
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can you buy a ticket from the ticket office tomorrow night for this one?
Yes, or you can buy online and print off
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Blood some of the youngsters - this is a 'free' match in that win/lose/draw, it wont be remembered long. Far bigger priorities I think
What's a bigger priority than the chance of winning a trophy?
See what happened after the last round to see what rotation does.
The bigger priority is promotion. Only stating whats obvious when you look at how most of the 'bigger' clubs handle this competition. Winning the Caribou Cup (?!?!?) and failing to get promoted wouldn't make me happy.
I'd rather win a cup. It's been more than 20 fucking years.
In any other season when we were in the PL may be, but this team clearly isn't good enough to win at Wem-ber-ley in a Cup Final against one of the top PL teams should we get that far...it would be a great Villa day out but we all know it would be a painful result at the end of the day. Promotion is the priority this season.
So why bother entering in the first place?
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Personally I find it quite exciting to see what the kids and hogan etc can do
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I think the introduction of the `kids` has inflated the spirit and dynamics of the whole squad. WE have to stick to rotation as we will otherwise have half a squad no where near match fit and ready to step in if required. Give Kodjia a little run out to up his fitness and possibly Jedinak 3-1 .....
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So why bother entering in the first place?
It's the hope that kills you! ;)
I'd like to see Kodjia, Adomah, Jedinak, Snodgrass and Hogan given game time tomorrow.
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So why bother entering in the first place?
It's the hope that kills you! ;)
I'd like to see Kodjia, Adomah, Jedinak, Snodgrass and Hogan given game time tomorrow.
Why? They are all first team regulars, almost first pick, so why not play the lot? Why is it that in the past clubs would stick with a team, develop a system and then slot players in as required but now we have to let some of them play in a devalued competition in order to keep them match fit?
It's farcical, the competition is devalued which in turn means it's not proper game time because nobody really cares about the result. Make players fight for the jersey. When you're in it, it's yours.
There are reserve competitions and behind closed doors matches for those that don't make the first eleven.
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I there any point to this competition anymore?
I actually prefer it to the FA cup. More shocks and more variety in the actual finalists.
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I there any point to this competition anymore?
I actually prefer it to the FA cup. More shocks and more variety in the actual finalists.
I think the shocks come because Premier League sides field very weakened sides with virtually no game time between them against lower league outfits who are already up and running in their season.
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Steering
Daelet Samba Elpsick Clark Borg
Bree Lansbury Bjarnasson Agbonlahor
O' hare Hogan
3&1 villa.
O'Hare
Samba header
Hogan
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So why bother entering in the first place?
It's the hope that kills you! ;)
I'd like to see Kodjia, Adomah, Jedinak, Snodgrass and Hogan given game time tomorrow.
Why? They are all first team regulars, almost first pick, so why not play the lot? Why is it that in the past clubs would stick with a team, develop a system and then slot players in as required but now we have to let some of them play in a devalued competition in order to keep them match fit?
It's farcical, the competition is devalued which in turn means it's not proper game time because nobody really cares about the result. Make players fight for the jersey. When you're in it, it's yours.
There are reserve competitions and behind closed doors matches for those that don't make the first eleven.
Because its a feckin long season playing 2 games per week, so if we can avoid niggly injuries by resting a few key players, utilising the squad (after all that's what its there for) and increase competition for places by keeping players match sharp then so we should. The players I listed above need match time for fitness and/or confidence, so playing them alongside players not currently in the first team shouldn't weaken us too much whilst also resting players to avoid injury and increase performance levels of the squad overall.
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I am so fixated on us trying to get promotion I don't really care about tonight's game. Although, like a typical hypocritical football fan I will of course be delighted if we win and gutted if we lose.
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I there any point to this competition anymore?
I actually prefer it to the FA cup. More shocks and more variety in the actual finalists.
I think the shocks come because Premier League sides field very weakened sides with virtually no game time between them against lower league outfits who are already up and running in their season.
There have been virtually zero shocks so far. The advantage of the lower league clubs playing against Premier League reserves has been cancelled out as everyone rest players now.
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Steering
Daelet Samba Elpsick Clark Borg
Bree Lansbury Bjarnasson Agbonlahor
O' hare Hogan
3&1 villa.
O'Hare
Samba header
Hogan
5-4-2?
Worth a try I suppose.
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Is that a new goalkeeper?
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Is that a new goalkeeper?
He can arf motor
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Is that a new goalkeeper?
He can arf motor
Is this something to do with the Villa engine ?
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2-1 win. Hogan with them both. The Boro youth are playing in the cup v Accrington tonight so no idea what their lineup will be. TBH no idea what ours will be either.
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4-1 tonight
to us
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Steering
Daelet Samba Elpsick Clark Borg
Bree Lansbury Bjarnasson Agbonlahor
O' hare Hogan
3&1 villa.
O'Hare
Samba header
Hogan
We'll piss it with 12 players
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Rotation rotation rotation
We're in a run of sat - tues - sat games. This isn't a priority. No brainer
To be fair we've got quite a few players who need a game as well. Something Like:
Steer
Bree / Hutton Elphick Samba De Laet
Bjarnason Lansbury Onomah Agbonlahor
O'Hare Hogan
Edit - still want to win though.
I've had a bit of a volte face about this. After today there are only three games before another international break, so we could go pretty strong with a couple of changes here and there. Give Steer some game time, rest Whelan and Terry (Chester played twice for Wales in the last break and will do so in the next one, so he might need a rest), but apart from that I think we should go as strong as possible. A decent draw in the last 16 and we could be looking at the QFs. I think we'll see quite a few changes though.
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Think we will win but no result would surprise me tonight
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Think we will win but no result would surprise me tonight
How do you think the Brexit negotiations will pan out. ;-)
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Steering
Daelet Samba Elpsick Clark Borg
Bree Lansbury Bjarnasson Agbonlahor
O' hare Hogan
3&1 villa.
O'Hare
Samba header
Hogan
We'll piss it with 12 players
Agreed. There's no way we would fail to beat these with a man advantage.
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Steering
Daelet Samba Elpsick Clark Borg
Bree Lansbury Bjarnasson Agbonlahor
O' hare Hogan
3&1 villa.
O'Hare
Samba header
Hogan
We'll piss it with 12 players
Agreed. There's no way we would fail to beat these with a man advantage.
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Just like last week:-)
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Steering
Daelet Samba Elpsick Clark Borg
Bree Lansbury Bjarnasson Agbonlahor
O' hare Hogan
3&1 villa.
O'Hare
Samba header
Hogan
We'll piss it with 12 players
Agreed. There's no way we would fail to beat these with a man advantage.
Nice one! ;D
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Depends how long we'd have the advantage for.....
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Is that a new goalkeeper?
He can arf motor
Is this something to do with the Villa engine ?
Goalkeeping by committee ? ...........................Godzvilla!
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If we go on tour Steering and Whelan must room together.